Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 8

In this episode, Jim Chapman completes this 8 part  “Bad Boys” series on Aaron Hernandez. Jim covers the verdict in the Boston double murder case, the sudden death of Hernandez, the role CTE may have played in this story and other family members who made headline years later. 

Timestamps
17:27 Aaron Hernandez Final Moments
18:14 Inmate Interviews
21:54 The Suicide Note
25:03 A Shocking Conviction is Overtuerned
31:34 CTE Findings
38:54 Lawsuit Against the NFL
58:36 DJ's Troubling Path

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of
the Elite. I'm your host Jim Chapman, and I am
back with part eight of this bad boy series covering
Aaron Hernandez. Now, before I get into it, I got
a shout out of my newest Global Celebrity member, Miss

(00:20):
Angela Golf. Now, Miss Golf is from the great state
of Texas, Cleveland, Texas. To be specific and fun fact
about Cleveland. This community was formed in eighteen seventy eight
when Charles Cleveland, who the city is named after, decided
sixty three point six acres of land. He wanted to

(00:44):
donate that to the railroads. Now he had an agreement
that a railway station would bear his name, which it did,
and oddly enough, I'm sure at the time he didn't
realize the entire city would be named after him. Now
the city is near the much larger city of Houston, Texas.
And I want to thank you so much, Miss Angela

(01:07):
Golf for joining the Global Celebrity Tier on Patreon. Now,
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Slash Exposed podcast Files. So let's get into today's episode,
and the last time that I left you, mister Bradley

(01:29):
had completed his testimony and I were thinking the same thing.
I was that he did a good job of articulating
his experience with Aaron Hernandez and how Aaron Hernandez likely
was guilty of everything that Alexander Bradley was saying. He
also appeared to radle the defense attorney and frustrate him

(01:52):
because he could just not intimidate Alexander Bradley. So I
was pretty convinced, and it's sounds like you were too,
that Aaron Hernandez was going to be found guilty.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
So what happened?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I'm not going to cover everyone else that testified,
because Bradley's testimony was really the most damning, but overall,
and I listened to all of them, I felt the
prosecution proved this case beyond a reasonable doubt, which is
their burden. So the prosecutor, the defense, they rest their

(02:27):
cases and the case is turned over to the jury,
and after thirty two hours of deliberations, the jury comes
back with verdicts of not guilty of the first degree
murders of for Tado in de abru.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
The only thing.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
That Aaron Hernandez was found guilty of was unlawful possession
of a firearm. And that's pretty much a slap on
the rest. And I've got to be honest, that shocked me.
Just appeared the jury did not find Alexander Bradley credible.
They felt like he was testifying as part of a

(03:10):
deal that he made with prosecutors so he wouldn't do
all this time in prison, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So regardless of.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
All of that, on April fourteenth of twenty seventeen, Hernandez,
fresh off this victory, if you will, was still headed
back to prison because he's already got a life sentence
for the murder of Odin Lloyd. Now, just five days
later this happened. And I'm going to reference the actual

(03:41):
passage in the book that I've used, not primarily but
heavily in my researching of this story, and it's called
All American Murder. It's by James Patterson and Mike Harkey,
and that passage reads, the phones in Jim Housing unit
all looked the same, minted on columns. They were silver

(04:04):
colored with black handsets to use them. Prisoners punched in
pen numbers that had to be assigned to them upon arrival,
but prison etiquette had to be followed by general understanding.
Each phone was claimed by a different gang. The Latin
Kings had their own phones. The gangs from Boston in

(04:25):
Springfield had their phones. Aaron Hernandez used phones that were
claimed by the Bloods. In the days immediately following his
exoneration for the double murders in Boston, he spoke with
his lawyers and with family members. He'd stay on the
line with his fiance Scheyena until the last possible minute. Then,

(04:49):
as nine thirty mireed, a correction officer would call time
five minutes to count. The CEO would shout every night
was the same in g two would shuffle off grudgingly
to their cells. Hernandez would climb a set of blue
stairs to his cell, cell number fifty seven, left of

(05:11):
the correction officer's desk, located one level below. The COO
would flip a switch that caused all the doors in
the unit to slam shut and lock for the night.
Then the prisoners would stand facing a window in their
cell door, and the COO would walk slowly past each cell,

(05:31):
eyebawling the prisoners and physically checking to make sure each
door was locked. Some CEOs walked the ground floor first,
then climb the stairs to count the second. Some CEOs
did the opposite. It was as much variety as the
system allowed for. For Aaron Hernandez, this had been the

(05:51):
routine for two years, but the past few days had
been different.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
According to an.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Internal prison report quote, he was positive and even happily emotional,
which was not usual of Hernandez. Aaron told other inmates
that he was looking forward to reuniting with his family
and with Seyenna. He was still young twenty seven. If
Jose Boz could work his magic again, he may have

(06:19):
had a few years of football left in him. Since
Friday's verdict, he had been talking about the NFL and
going back to play, even if it wasn't for the Pats,
An inmate would say, he talked about his daughter and
spending time with her now. It was the evening of
April eighteenth of twenty seventeen. The Patriots, who had won

(06:40):
the Super Bowl again that year, would be going to
the White House the next morning to meet with President Trump.
But once again Aaron stayed on the line with Seyena,
drawing out the last long minutes of the day. Then
the CEO called time, and Hernandez shuffled off to his cell,
his dark brown eyes shining with a purpose. A few

(07:02):
hours later, and around one in the morning, Aaron hung
part of a bed sheet over his window cut into
the door of his cell. He jammed the rail the
door ran on with ripped up pieces of cardboard. Then
he opened his Bible to the Book of John and
wrote John three point sixteen in red ink across his forehead.

(07:23):
Slicing into his right middle finger, Aaron used his own
blood to mark the same passage in the Bible. He
wrote John three point sixteen in his own blood on
the wall of his cell and drew a crude pyramid
like the one on the back of a one dollar bill.
Beneath it, he wrote the word Illuminati, leaving several handwritten

(07:46):
notes by the side of the Bible. He made large
stigmato like marks in blood on both of his feet,
then stripped naked. He poured several bottles of shampoo from
the prison canteen all over the floor, and he picked
up another part of the bed sheet, which he had
twisted tightly into a rope. Hernandez tied one end of

(08:07):
the twisted sheet to the top of one of the
vertical slides in the window across from the door to
his cell, but the crossbar was just five feet from
the floor. There was a metal desk directly beneath it
a metal chair next to it. Both had been bolted
right into the wall. What happened next took doing and

(08:29):
determination on Aaron's part. First, he rolled up some towels
and stuck them through the crossbars so that the twisted
sheet wouldn't slide down the vertical slide. Then he tied
the other end of the sheet around his neck. By
the time the guards found him, Aaron Hernandez was cold

(08:50):
to the touch, and folks, it was on that night
that obviously he committed suicide.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
So I'm also going.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
To read very reports, one from the state Police covering
the investigation into the suicide and also one summarizing inmate interviews.
So the state Police they investigated this and this is
how it reads. On Wednesday, April nineteenth, twenty seventeen, at

(09:20):
approximately four point fifteen in the morning, the undersigned, which
is the state policeman that created this report, was advised
that the Massachusetts Department of Corrections reported the unattended death
of a twenty seven year old Hispanic mail Aaron Hernandez
until fifty seven of the General Housing Unit G two.

(09:43):
The Undersigned responded along with Lieutenant Daniel Wildgrubb in Corporal
Christin Glanton. Upon arrival, the Undersigned spoke with Sergeant Todd
Smith of the Massachusetts Department of Corrections Office of Investigatives Services.
Sergeant Smith advised that around three to three in the morning,

(10:05):
a Code ninety nine was called by Corrections officer Guard
Gerard bro reporting Hernandez was hanging in cell number fifty seven.
Once other correction officers arrived on the scene, the correction
officers discovered the door was pegged, which meant cardboard had
been shoved into the door tracks to prevent the door

(10:25):
from opening. The corrections officers had to manually open the
door to enter the cell. As they entered the cell,
the CEOs discovered that Hernandez had placed a large amount
of shampoo on the floor, which made it very slippery.
The corrections officers were able to cut Hernandez down, who
was hanging naked from a bed sheet tied around the
window bars. As the corrections officers began, CPR medical staff

(10:50):
arrived on the scene and attached an AED which advised
no shock. CPR was continued as Hernandez was transported to
the u Mass Health alone As Hospital by ambulance. Upon
arrival at the hospital, Hernandez was treated by doctor Evan Swasey.
Hernandez never regained consciousness and was declared dead at four

(11:12):
oh seven am by doctor Swasey. As the Undersigned entered
the treatment room in the emergency room of the UMass
Health Hospital at approximately five twenty one am, the Undersigned
observed Corrections Officer Hilton and Corrections Officer Azase standing by
a gurney covered with a sheet. The Undersign removed the
sheet and observed Hernandez with cervical collar brace. Ligature marks

(11:37):
were visible on Hernande's neck and there was some discharge
slash vomit from his nose and mouth areas. Hernandez right
middle finger had a fresh cut and there was some
blood on the adjacent fingers. There also appeared to be
a large circular blood mark on each of her Ninda's feet,
and John three point sixteen was written on her nandaz forehead.

(11:59):
In inc there were no signs of trauma or violence
on Hernandez's body. Hemorrhaging was present in both eyes, Lavidity
was present, and rigor mortis was beginning to set in
and lividity, folks, for those of you that may not know,
that's when you get pulling of blood. So, especially in

(12:20):
a situation where you're hanging, the blood all drains down
and it pulls in spots of you, of your body,
and that's what he's referencing there. Glinton also photographed and
documented Hernandez's body. Representatives of the Office of the Chief
Medical Examiner arrived on the scene and took custody of

(12:42):
Hernandez's body at approximately six point thirty am. Hernandez body
was then transported to an office in Boston. Lieutenant Rogrub
Glanton and the Undersign responded to the Correctional Center on
April nineteenth of twenty seventeen, and Sergeant Smith advised the
Undersign that Hernandez had been locked in a single inmate

(13:04):
cell around nineteen fifty nine hours. Hernandez remained in the
cell until three oh three am, when Hernandez was discovered hanging.
Sergeant Smith and Sergeant Rumriy, the Interior Perimeter Security Commander,
advised the Undersign that there was video surveillance of the
G two cell block from the time Hernandez entered the

(13:25):
cell until the time he was transported by ambulance. According
to Sergeant Rumriy, no one entered the cell until the
CEOs entered it to render aid. The Undersign observed the
cardboard stuffed into the door tracks leading into the cell.
On the wall of the cell, there were several drawings
and John three point sixteen was written in a substance

(13:48):
consistent with blood. Under the drawings was a Bible opened
to John three sixteen with the sixteenth verse marked in blood,
and next to the bible were three hand written notes.
Under the bed was a piece of the bed sheet
that had been cut and that had been around her
Nandez's neck Tied on the bars of the window.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Was the other piece of the bed sheet.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Lieutenant will Grub cut the sheet from the window and
placed it into evidence. There were no signs of a
struggle in the cell, and another officer photographed and documented
the scenes. Lieutenant will Grub and the Undersign spoke with
Co Bro on April nineteenth of twenty seventeen. He advised
that he was working twenty three hundred to seven hundred

(14:32):
shift and was assigned to the G two housing in it.
Correction Officer Bro last saw Hernandez around one o'clock am
during the one o'clock check, and according to him, at
three oh three am he observed the sheet hanging in
front of hernandez cell door.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Coo Bro asked.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Hernandez to remove the sheet or sound off. As Coo
Bro poked a piece of the sheet that was hanging
outside of the door, the sheet fell and he observed
heard Hernandez hanging naked from the window. Coo Bro immediately
called a Code ninety nine, and once the door opened,
Correction Officer Bro and several other CEOs attempted to lift

(15:12):
Hernandez to relieve pressure. As Hernandez was cut down, Correction
Officer Bro began performing chess compressions and swapped out with
other CEOs until Hernandez was removed from the unit. Sergeant
Rumri and Sergeant Smith provided the undersign with copies of
video surveillance logs and reports in reference to hernandez death.

(15:34):
All other items seemed to have no evidentiary value and
were left in the custody of the Department of Corrections.
Over the course of the investigation, the UNDERSIGN reviewed surveillance
evidence of the G two housing unit phone logs and
calls from Hernandez on April eighteenth and nineteenth of twenty seventeen.
The surveillance videos showed Hernandez was on the phone just

(15:56):
prior to be locked in a cell. Hernandez entered his
so alone at approximately nineteen fifty nine hours and the
cell doors locked until three seven am, when the door's
open for the code ninety nine. The UNDERSIGN also listened
to the last five phone calls Hernandez made on April
eighteenth of twenty seventeen. Hernandez does not make any apparent

(16:18):
indication of the intent to harm himself during any of
those calls. On Wednesday, April nineteenth, twenty seventeen, doctor Henry
Neilds performed an autopsy of Hernandez. Doctor Neilds determined the
cause of death to be asphixia by hanging. The manner
of death was ruled by doctor Neilds as a suicide.
A post mortem toxcology report indicated that Hernandez's blood came

(16:43):
back negative for all substances tested, to include synthetic cannabis.
On April twenty fourth, twenty seventeen, the Undersign responded to
the Department of Correction's Office of Investigations. The Understegn took
copies of a letter found in Hernandez property, as well
as copy of several unknown writing samples of Hernandez. On

(17:04):
April twenty fourth of twenty seventeen, at approximately fourteen hundred hours,
the Undersigned delivered copies of the letters found in Hernandez
sell to the Department of Corrections. Based upon the findings
of the Chief Medical Examiner and the investigation by the Undersign,
the Undersign, respectively, requests the case be closed until new
information is uncovered that will warrant the case being open.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
So there you have that.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today? Wait
before you tell me that, let me tell you what
happened in New York. It cannot be as crazy as
the case I told you about yesterday in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know what, we should do a podcast about it.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
And with that we did. Crime War Weekly covers the
crime news headlines that have dominated the week. We cover
trending crimes from all over the country and even sprinkle
in a few Globally. Crime are Weekly is available now
wherever you listen to your podcasts simply by searching Crime
Wire Weekly or clicking the link in the description of

(18:08):
this podcast. And I'm going to cover What's not as
an inmate interview summary, and it basically says the summaries
of the unit interviews conducted by the Inner Perimeter Security
officers are as followed. Out of the inmates that were interviewed,

(18:29):
many inmates claim to have no or very little interaction
with Hernandez. Those inmates stated Hernandez was a private inmate
who was approachable, but felt it was their business to
get involved with him and they would rather keep to themselves.
Few inmates brought up what was being said on the
news and on the radio stations they had been listening to.

(18:51):
One inmate stated specifically that the ninety eight point five
radio broadcast had been disrespectful, saying he deserved what he got,
and had also mentioned that they had brought up the
fact Hernandez may be gay. Multiple inmates stated they had
interactions with her Nandez on a daily basis, but it
was more of a respectful relationship with only high and

(19:14):
by type conversations.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
In passing.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Many inmates stated that they had congratulated Hernandez on his
recent court decision. Inmates that had more frequent interactions with
Hernandez stated he showed no signs of any trouble or depression,
and stated he carried on as normal. They stated Hernandez
had made multiple phone calls and colluding a phone call
to his fiance and daughter, and with positive feelings. No

(19:40):
inmates stated he had any trouble within the unit or
spoke of any other known problems. Inmates that had stated
they were close with Hernandez stated that he was very
excited over the weekend after his verdict had come down
on Friday. They stated he was positive and even happily emotional,
which was not usual of Hernandez, they said. One of

(20:02):
these inmates said that they had played basketball recently with
her Nandez and nothing seemed out of the ordinary. A
couple of inmates stated that he had come to their
door before lock in and described the conversation as nothing
out of the ordinary. Of the inmates had said they
were quote tight or real close with Hernandez. They stated

(20:22):
he had been more and more spiritual as time progressed
in prison. They felt that his suicide had been some
sort of religious message. One inmate stated that he did
her nandez laundry and Hernandez had requested his laundry had
been ready for the weekend because he was expecting a
visit from his fiance and his daughter. He stated nothing

(20:45):
was wrong with Hernandez and he didn't seem upset. Another
inmate stated that Hernandez had talked to him more and
more frequently with a religious tongue. This inmate stated that
Hernandez came to his door before lock in and stated, quote,
remember when you die, your soul gets reincarnated. Another source
stated that her Nandas had recently mentioned a rumor. This

(21:08):
rumor was that if an inmate had an open appeal
on his case and died in prison, he is acquitted
of his charge and will be deemed not guilty. A
source who claimed to be one of Hernandez's closest friends stated, quote,
spoke with him yesterday and he was in a great place.
He was a very spiritual guy who was always quoting
the Bible. Since Friday's verdict, he had been talking about

(21:32):
the NFL and going back to play, even if it
wasn't with the Pats. He talked about his daughter and
spending time with her. There was absolutely no indication that
he would do anything like that, and one of the
last inmates interviewed stated, quote, what do you do when
you get good news? Just celebrate, right, And that's how

(21:52):
that report read. Okay, so we left a suicide note
to Shay. I'm going to read that to you quickly.
It's really just a little lover or paragraph. It says, Shay,
you have always been my soulmate and I want you
to live life and know I'm always with you. I
told you what was coming indirectly. I love you so
much and know you are an angel. We split into

(22:13):
two to come change the world. Your characteristics is that
you are a true angel and the definition of God's love.
Tell my story fully, but never think anything besides how
much I love you. This was the Supremes, the Almighties plan,
not mine. I love you. Let in it, redacted his

(22:34):
daughter's name, Know how much I love her. Look after
redacted and redacted for me.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
They are my boys.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
And then he put in parentheses You're rich. I knew
I loved you equals savage garden And there you have it.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Strange, not easy to follow.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
But that is the suicide note that he left for Shay,
So this story he would be far from over with
Aaron Hernandez's death when in May of twenty seventeen, an
obscure law, the one that was referenced by that inmate,
it wasn't referenced by the law's name, which it's actually

(23:17):
known as the abatement principle. But that obscure law paid
the way for Aaron Hernandez's conviction to be overturned in
the murder of Odin Lloyd. So I'm going to reference
the following article from ESPN, and this is May ninth
of twenty seventeen. A judge erased a twenty thirteen murder

(23:39):
conviction against former NFL star Aaron Hernandez, ruling the case.
Law in Massachusetts has long been established that defendants who
die before their appeals are heard should have their convictions
of vacated. Bristol County Superior Court Judge E. Susan Garsh
said Tuesday she was compelled to follow precedent in ordering

(24:00):
that hernandez first degree murder conviction be dismissed in the
death of the semi professional player Odin Lloyd. Hernandez killed
himself in prison last month while serving a life sentence.
Lloyd's mother fought back tears after the ruling Tuesday, saying
the former New England Patriots tight End would always be
guilty in the eyes of her family. Quote in our book,

(24:23):
He's guilty, and he's always going to be guilty, Ursula
Award said of Hernandez. But I know, I know one
day I'm going to see my son, and that's the
victory I have, and I'm going to take that with me.
I'm waiting for my Master to say, well done, my
good and faithful servant, and welcome to the joys of

(24:43):
my kingdom, and that's when I will see my baby again.
I'm not giving up. When God says the battle's over,
the battles over. So I'm holding on until he tells
me to give up. And that freaking infuriates me that
this was overturned, because this he's so disrespectful to the family.
It's just disgusting. I can't believe that happened. But we'll

(25:06):
move on. Bristol County DA Thomas Quinn said he plans
to appeal the ruling and is willing to take the
case all the way to the Massachusetts Supreme Court. Despite
the tragic ending to airin hernandez life, he should not
reap the legal benefits of an antiquated rule.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Quinn said, state.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
And federal courts from across the country have rejected this
antiquated rule. Massachusetts is, in my opinion, needs to follow suit.
Lawyers for Hernandez had argued the Supreme Judicial Court had
applied the legal doctrine without exception, even in cases of suicide.
They said his conviction wasn't considered final because the automatic
appeal he was entitled to had not been heard. Prosecutor

(25:48):
Patrick Boomberg said hernandez suicide was a calculated act. He
cited a report issued last week from the doc that
said Hernandez told another inmate he had a rumor that
if the inmate has an open appeal on the case
and dies in prison, he would be acquitted. Gorse said
there may be many complex, admired reasons that Hernandez killed himself.

(26:10):
She cited a report from prison officials that some inmates
said they knew about a radio broadcast that speculated Hernandez
may have been gay. She also said a possible mental
disturbance was reflected in the suicide note to his fiance
in which he said as death was quote the Supremes,
the almighties plan not mine. Lloyd's mother had filed a

(26:32):
wrongful death lawsuit against Hernandez. Her attorney, Douglas Chef, said
he doesn't believe the civil case would be undermined by
the dismissal of hernandez conviction. An attorney in hernandez criminal
case filed core papers last month that said his estate
is currently worth zero. Chef said the only identified lass

(26:52):
identifiable assets he knows of or hermand As house, theyde
at one point three million dollars in a hummer. But
in that that a message Hernandez left first fiance said
in part you're rich, and he said, we don't know
what that refers to. We'd like to find out. Hernandez
appeal attorney John Thompson told reporters he believes is still

(27:13):
uncertain as to whether Hernandez took his own life. Thompson
said he has recent correspondence from Hernandez in which he
said he was interested in pursuing an appeal. Hernandez lead
attorney in his recent double murder trial, Jose Boss, had
pledged to independently investigate the death state police said in
an investigative report, and I'm not going to go through

(27:35):
that because.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I just did.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
His death came five days after he was acquitted, and
then it kind of goes through what he did, so
at this point just disgusting, sickening stuff in my opinion. Now,
there's another thing the public discovered during this time, and
that is that Boston University had been studying Aaron's brains

(27:58):
since his death to see if he suffered from CTE.
But before we get into the results of that, let
me cover what CTE is.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
It stands for chronic traumatic encephalopathy and it's a miracle
that I just pronounced that right.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I'm only gonna try it once.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's a progressive disease that degenerates the brain. It's found
in individuals with history of repetitive head trauma. It's characterized
by the build up of an abnormal protein. This is
called tau tau in the brain, which can lead to cognitive, emotional,

(28:37):
and behavioral problems. CTE is primarily diagnosed after death through
a brain onutopsy, but suspicion can arise from symptoms and
a history of repeated head impacts.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Key features of CTE.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's very progressive and it worsens over time, it degenerates.
It involves a gradual breakdown and loss of brain cells,
and it's caused by repetitive head trauma like when you're
playing football. Protein build up is kind of the hallmark
of CTE. That thau, that tail protein in the brain.

(29:18):
That's what causes the normal brain function to be disrupted.
And what are some symptoms, Well, a lot of it's
cognitive memory loss, confusion, difficulty concentrating, impaired judgment. There's a
lot of behavior changes that are associated aggression, being very impulsive,

(29:39):
being very irritable, depressed, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, all that, and
you'll notice mood instability. One point you're happy, one point
you're sad, and it's just back and forth all the time.
And who's at risk athletes, soccer, boxing, high key football,

(30:01):
the UFC, things like that. Also military personnel, veterans who
have been in combat for example and got a head
injury very at risk. And really anyone else that gets
multiple head injuries like from accidents. If you get in
several car accidents and you get knocked out in these accidents,

(30:22):
that can bring on CTE.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And they're learning more.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
About this as they go along in society. The problem
with CTE is a lot of times it's not diagnosed
until you die, and then they look at your brain
and they discover all this protein build up in there. Now,
not everyone with head injuries will develop CTE. It's a

(30:46):
high risk factor, obviously, but there's been a lot of
people that have had major head collisions from football, et
cetera that don't develop CTE. They don't really have an
exact number of people that actually had CTE because they
have to be able to look at your brain to

(31:07):
do that. A lot of people don't allow that to
happen after someone dies, and there's no cure for CTE.
You can treat it a little bit and manage the symptoms,
but there is no cure once it occurs. So now
that you know what CTE is, let's get into the

(31:28):
results as it relates to Aaron Hernandez and I Minum
reference an article put out by Boston University. This was
on September twenty first of twenty seventeen, and it reads
as follows. Aaron Hernandez, a former New England patriot and
convicted murderer who died from suicide in jail in April,

(31:50):
suffered from chronic traumatic I'm not even going to try
to pronounce it again. Suffer from CTE to a degree
never seen before by researchers at Boston University. In such
a young person. Hernandez, just twenty seven, when he hanged
himself with a bed sheet, was riddled with what's known

(32:10):
as stage three CTE to a degree that quote, we've
never seen in our four hundred and sixty eight brains,
except for in individuals very much older. That from Anne McKee,
director of Boston University's Chronic Traumatic I'm not going to
try to say it again Center. She went on to

(32:31):
say individuals with similar gross findings were at least forty
six years old at the time of death. CTE, which
has four stages, is progressive and it's finding athletes and
others who suffer repeated concussions and other brain trauma. It's
associated with dementia, mood changes, and aggression. Quote, especially in

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the frontal lobes, which are very important for decision making, judgment,
and cognitive skills. We could see damaged the inner chambers
of the brain, McKee said as she screamed through slides
showing sections of Hernandez brain. This would be the first
case we've ever seen of that kind of damage in
such a young individual.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
She said.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
In addition to deposits of the protein tile, which is
associated with CTE, other evidence of the disease ranged across
her named as brain that included diluted ventricles, the chambers
storing spinal fluid which indicated the braining trunk, and an
atrophied for nex, which are the nerves associated with memory,

(33:36):
all of these caused by repetitive brain trauma. Noting that
Hernandez did not suffer from other brain diseases such as Alzheimer's,
McKee said that in every place that we looked, it
was classic CTE. This is substantial damage that undoubtedly took
years to develop. McKee is a School of Medicine professor

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of neurology and pathology, and had disclosed in September that
Hernandez has suffered from CTE. Her center has done pioneering
research on the illness through its bank of donated brains,
including Hernandez. She brief reporters on details of her examination
during their second annual CTE conference, and she said this

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brain had been one of the most significant contributions to
our work because of hernandez youth and the organ's pristine
condition when it was turned over by the medical examiner.
The integrity of the brain tissue is so well preserved
that we're advancing our understanding of the disease at a
sub microscopic level. We're able to do things in this

(34:39):
particular brain that we can't always do given the condition
of the brain when we receive it. She went on
to say helmets do not protect athletes from the jarring
head movements associated with CTE. It's an intrinsic component of football.
Every time you have a tackle or collision, you're going
to have these rapid forces affecting the brain. That's one

(35:02):
of the most difficult things to keep football safe. Hernandez
CTE prompted the players a state to sue the National
Football League and the Patriots, and I'm going to get
into that in a second. But she went on to say,
while I'm not going to connect the dots with his
behavior or difficulties during life, the frontal lobes and his

(35:23):
were very severely affected. Were involved in problem solving, judgment,
impulse control, and social behavior. There were also parts of
Aaron Hernandez's brain that were involved in emotional regulation and
emotional behavior fear and anxiety that were affected. She also
said that while Hernandez had genetic markers that make people

(35:44):
vulnerable to brain disease, it wasn't certain that it contributed
to his condition. So look, all that's horrible, but he
didn't get a pass in my mind, regardless of that.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
But take with that what you will.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Now, something positive in this case finally occurred on March
thirteenth of twenty nineteen, when the AP released this article
that I'm going to reference reversing reversing that abatement principle
as it relates to the initial conviction of Aaron Hernandez.
So let me read you that Aaron Hernandez martyr conviction

(36:25):
was reinstated in a sweeping ruling in the Massachusetts highest
Court that does away with the legal principle that made
the former NFL star innocent in the eyes of the
law after he killed himself in prison. The Supreme Court
unanimously found that the legal rule that erased hernandez conviction
is outdated and no longer consistent with the circumstances of

(36:48):
contemporary life. It ordered Hernandez conviction be restored and the
practice be abolished for future cases. The ruling does not
affect past cases. Then it goes into her Hernandez and
what he did. I'm not going to cover all that,
but it says, under the doctrine rooted in centuries of
English law, a conviction should not be considered until the

(37:10):
final appeal can determine whether mistakes were made that deprived
the defendant of fair trial. House states handle cases such
as Hernandez very widely. Some like Massachusetts, tossed the convictions,
while other states dismissed the defendant's appeal and the conviction stands,
which in my opinion, is how it should be. Others

(37:30):
allow appeal courts to consider the dead defendant's case. The
da whose office prosecuted Hernandez case, applauded the court's decision,
saying they are pleased that justice has served in the case.
The antiquity practice of vacating a valid conviction is being eliminated,
and the victim's family can get closure that they deserve.

(37:52):
The decision has helped the family to obtain closure from
a horrible loss of their beloved son, Odin, and it
also said other high profile Massachusetts. Criminals who convictions have
been erased after their deaths include John Salvey, who was
convicted of killing two abortion clinic workers and winning five

(38:14):
other people during his shooting in nineteen ninety four, and
Roman Catholic priest John Geogan, a key figure in the
clergy sex abuse scandal that rocked the Boston Archdiocese and
spread across the globe, also had his child molestation conviction
vacated after he was beaten to death in two thousand

(38:35):
and three in his cell the same maximum security prison
where her Nandz died. Victory there as odin Lloyd's family.
They may never get closure, because you don't get closure
in these things, but at least they got some justice there,
all right. So in that most recent article that I

(38:59):
just covered, I told you about the NFL getting sued
by the family of Aaron Hernandez over CTE. And when
I say the family, his fiance, Shay and his child
who was also listed in this suit against the New
England Patriots and the NFL. And I'm going to go

(39:21):
over that with you quickly, give you facts of that case.
And it says the National Football League is the most
successful professional sports organization in the US. In twenty sixteen alone,
the NFL generated approximately thirteen billion with a B dollars
in revenue. A substantial portion of this revenue comes from

(39:43):
sponsorships licensing in the sale of national broadcasting rights to
football games. Professional football teams that compete in the league,
such as the Patriots, share a percentage of the league's
overall revenue. Since its formation in August of nineteen twelve,
the American Professional Football Association renamed the NFL in nineteen

(40:05):
twenty two. The NFL had promoted the game of football,
acting as a governing body and establishing rules related to
player health, safety, league policies, and ownership. The NFL actively
monitors player conduct, health and safety, and in addition, the
NFL consults with medical professionals regarding the risk of players

(40:26):
health associated to playing football. The NFL has autonomous power
to establish rules and policies, and at all relevant times
exercised its power to set rules and policy for the
health and safety of football players. Then it goes on
to say the NFL was well aware of the long
term risks of head impacts for decades. The medical and

(40:49):
scientific community has been aware of the link between repetitive
joining and injury to the head and increase risks of
neurocognitive damage. Since the early nineteen nineties, the medical and
scientific community is indicated through overwhelming consensus that many football
players developed brain injuries from sub concussive injuries and concussions.

(41:12):
Independent scientists and neurologists recognized the concussions where serious injuries
and result in permanent brain injury, impaired abilities, and increased
onset ofmental deterioration. The NFL had been aware since nineteen
ninety four that on field collisions led to latent head
injuries that have long term debilitating effects on players. For decades,

(41:34):
the NFL has been aware the multiple blows to the
head can lead to long term brain injury, including but
not limited to memory loss, dementia, depression, and CTE. The
NFL also acknowledged the dehabilitating effects of head trauma in
its core filings. In nineteen ninety nine, Mike Webster, who
had played professional football for the Pittsburgh Steelers between nineteen

(41:58):
seventy four and nineteen ninety filed a requests for complete
disability benefits with the NFL based on neuro damage he
sustained over the course of his career. An NFL physician
examined Webster independently and concluded Webster was in fact mentally
disabled as a result of head impacts he sustained while

(42:19):
playing in the NFL. In December two thousand and six,
the Fourth Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals
stated in an unpublished opinion that the NFL's disability plan
accepted that Webster's mental disability was cast by the multiple
head injuries Webster sustained while playing pro football. The NFL

(42:40):
was aware of the link between sub concussive and concussive
injury sustained in football in chronic neuro injury to players.
The NFL hit or otherwise failed to provide this information
to NFL players. The failure has been well documented in
the news media, in the science centific and medical community,

(43:01):
during Congress and in prior litigation. The NFL's Mild Traumatic
Brain Injury Committee was formed in nineteen ninety four to
improve player safety and recommend rule changes aimed at reducing
head injuries. The committee set out to study the effects
of concussions to NFL players. However, the NFL used the

(43:23):
committee to work and manipulate the scientific and medical community
in an effort to avoid potential liability in rule changes
that might affect the commercial success of pro football. For years,
they utilized biased, industry friendly, and false information related to
concussive injuries, etc. Despite the NFL publicizing the committee's doctors

(43:47):
and researchers were independent, the committee consisted of at least
five people previously connected to the NFL, and that's significant. Moreover,
the NFL failed to appoint any neurologists, head trauma specialists,
or neuro pathologists to chair the committee. Instead, the Commissioner,

(44:08):
Paul Tagliabu appointed doctor Elliott Pellman, a rheumatologist who had
no specialized training or education in concussion or head injuries,
and that is very strange. Doctor Pellman was a paid
physician and trainer for the New York Jets. Despite his
lack of qualifications, he remained the chair of the committee

(44:29):
from nineteen ninety four until two thousand and seven, and
during this period, the committee publicly disputed scientific findings that
established a link between concussions and permanent neurological injuries. Doctor
Ira Casson, a board certified neurologist, and doctor David Viano,
a biomedical Engineer were both members of the committee, and

(44:53):
they attempted to discredit published scientific studies that linked head
impacts and concussions suffered by NFL players two permanent neuro
cognitive injuries. The committee also conducted and published industry sponsor biased, falsified,
and inaccurate research to support the NFL's position there was

(45:13):
no connection between concussions and permanent neuro injuries. In nineteen
ninety seven, the Academy of Neurology published guidelines for athletes
returning to play the game after having suffered a concussion.
These guidelines recommended that any athlete who suffers a concussion
at grade three that's where you lose consciousness, should be

(45:34):
ineligible to play and should rust until asymptomatic for at
least one week.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
After a prolong grade.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Three concussion, they recommended the athlete should be withheld from play.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
For two weeks.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
In two thousand and the NFL officially rejected the application
of these guidelines to NFL players. Between two thousand and
two and two thousand and seven, doctor Bennett Amalu, an
independent researcher at the University of Pittsburgh, examined the brain
tissue of deceased NFL players, including Mike Webster, Terry Long,

(46:07):
and Andre Waters. These individuals suffered multiple concussions during their
NFL careers and later in life exhibited symptoms of deteriorated
cognitive functions paranoia, panic, and depression. The doctor determined these
individuals suffered from the neuro disorder CTE. The doctor's findings

(46:27):
were published in the Neurosurgery Magazine, where he concluded the
Webster and Long's respective deaths were partially caused by CTM
were related to multiple concussions. In response to the doctor's articles,
doctor Pellman, Casson, and Viana, members of the committee wrote
a letter to the editor of Neurosurgery magazine demanding that

(46:48):
doctor Amalu's article be retracted. Doctor Amalu's articles were not retracted,
and Neurosurgery Magazine would later publish additional papers by doctor Amalu.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
On this time been good for them.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
In October of two thousand and three, the committee published
its first paper and suggestive there were no long term
negative effects associated with concussions or concussive injuries sustained by
NFL players and that y'all is absolute fucking bullshit, and
that pisces me off. There is so much proof that

(47:21):
that's bullshit. It's unbelievable. How the hell can you say
someone can be concussed to the point that they are
knocked out and it not produce long term injuries when
when it happens over and over and over again to
the same person, unbelievable. In November of two thousand and three,
doctor Pellman appeared on the HBO television program Inside the

(47:44):
NFL to discuss a report by the Center for the
Study of Retired Athletes the link concussions and depressions in
former players instead of quote when I look at the study,
I don't believe it. The committee subsequently published sixteen papers
between two thousand and five try In two thousand and nine,
the committee indicated that all of the completed studies supported

(48:04):
their conclusion that there were no long term negative health
consequences associated with concussions or injuries concussive in nature's sustained
by NFL players. In two thousand and four, the committee
published a study based on clinical data they collected from
physicians and athletic trainers for six years and concluded there's

(48:25):
no evidence of increased severity of injury in multiple versus
single mild traumatic brain injury cases. Their research also concluded
that repeated injuries occurred relatively infrequently during the six year period.
In February of two thousand and five, the committee published
findings based on a six year study that players who

(48:46):
are concussed and return to the same game have fewer
initial signs and symptoms than those removed from play. Return
to play does not involve a significant risk of a
second injury, either in the same game.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Or during the season. That is absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
As well, the report continued to say, the current decision
making of NFL team physicians seems appropriate for the return
to the game after a concussion. Can you believe that
biased and erroneous conclusions by the committee published and clue
but are not limited to the following doctors. Pelman and
Biano stated that because of significant percentage of players were

(49:22):
turned to play in the same game as they suffered
a concussion, and the overwhelming majority of players with concussions
were kept out of football related activities for less than
one week, it can be concluded that mild TBIs in
professional football are not serious injuries. The NFL players did
not show a decline in brain function after a concussion.

(49:44):
There were no ill effects among those who had three
or more concussions or took hits to the head that
sideline them for a week or more. No NFL player
experiencing the second impact syndrome or CTE from repeated concus hushions.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
This is just crazy that they would even say this.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
In two thousand and six, the Committee published research concluding
that on field evaluation by teen physicians is effective with
regard to the identification of cognitive and memory impairments immediately
after an injury. And what they're talking about is when
these players get knocked out and they run on the
field and they hold up how many fingers am I

(50:24):
holding up? They might be holding up three, and if
you say three, you're good to go.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Throughout this period, the committee was heavily criticized by independent
doctors and research because the committee's conclusions were contrary to
multitude of peer reviewed studies that were based on one
sided data collection techniques. In February two thousand and seven,
doctor Pellman stepped down as the chairman of the committee
following increasing media scrutiny over the committee's studies. He was

(50:51):
replaced as chair by doctor Ira Kson and doctor Viano,
but remained a member of the committee. Doctor Kason and
I continue to dismiss outside studies and overwhelming evidence linked
head injuries and concussions suffered by NFL players to permanent
neurocognitive injuries. In a two thousand and seven televised interview

(51:14):
by Bernard Goldberg on HBO's Real Sports, doctor Kson unequivocally
stated there was no evidence that links multiple head injuries
among pro football players with depression, dementia, early onset Alzheimers,
or other permanent neurological disorders. On June nineteenth, two thousand
and seven, the NFL held its first league wide Concussion

(51:37):
Summit in Chicago, where all thirty two NFL teams, health
and safety committees, doctors, and trainers convened. At the summit,
doctor Kason told team doctors and trainers that the only
scientifically valid evidence CTE has been found in boxers and jockeys.
He added it has never been signedly valid.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
In any other athletes.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
On August fourteenth, two thousand and seven, the NFL published
an informational pamphlet on concussions to NFL players and their families,
and its stated, current research with professional athletes has not
shown that having more than one or two concussions can
lead to permanent problems if each injury is managed properly.
It's important to understand there's no magic number for how

(52:25):
many concussions is too many. Research is currently underway to
determine if there are any long term effects of concussion
in NFL athletes. In two thousand and eight, Boston Universities
doctor am mckeeth found CTE in the brains of two
deceased NFL players, John Grimsley and Tom McHale. Doctor mckeeth

(52:48):
stated the easiest way to decrease the incidents of CTE
is to decrease the number of concussions or mild traumatic
brain injuries. Doctor McKee further noted that this is accomplished
by penalizing intentional hits to the head and adhering to
strict return to play guidelines. Finally, doctor McKee concluded that

(53:09):
studies indicate the safe return to play guidelines might require
at least four to six weeks to facilitate more complete
recovery and to protect from re injury, as a second
concussion occurs much more frequently in the immediate period. After concussion,
and I would even go further. I played football for

(53:30):
over ten years of my life, and I'm also an
avid fan of the UFC. And I'm going to tell
you when someone gets knocked out in the UFC, they
become susceptible to knockouts from there on out. Chuck the
Iceman Liddell was a knockout artist and he dominated the

(53:52):
UFC about ten years ago. And then he gets knocked out,
he loses his title, and he got knocked out in
the next five fights he did.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Once you turn that button on, you can't turn it off.
But I'll continue.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Doctor Kason characterize each study is an isolated incident in
response to doctor McKee studies. Responding to the publication, Doctor
Kayson asserted in a written statement before his appearance at
a House Judiciary Committee hearing in January of twenty ten
that his position was there's not enough valid or reliable

(54:32):
scientific evidence at present time to determine whether or not
repeated head impacts in professional football result in long term
brain damage. In two thousand and eight, the NFL commissioned
the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research to conduct
fund interviews of a random sample of over one thousand

(54:53):
retired players and ask them questions across a range of topics,
and the findings of that study, released on on September
tenth of two thousand and nine, reported that diseases of
the mind are rare in both the general population and
NFL retirees, but the retirees do report a higher rate

(55:13):
at six percent. The older group of retirees is particularly high.
After the finding was published, NFL spokesman Greg al Ailow
stated in an email message the study did not formally
diagnose dementia, that it was subject to shortcomings of telephone surveys,
and that there are thousands of retired players who do

(55:35):
not have memory problems. Doctor Kson then stated, what I
take from this report is that there's a need for
further studies based on these and many other documented incidents.
As clear the NFL was aware of neurological rests associated
with repeated head impact and that the NFL failed to
disclose this to the players. The conduct also needlessly delayed

(55:57):
adoption of rules and league policies related to player health,
and it goes on and on with some other studies.
I'm not going to cover that, but I will cover
what it says directly about Aaron Hernandez. Says Aaron Hernandez
developed CTE as a result of playing professional football. Between
twenty ten and twenty thirteen. Aaron Hernandez played football for

(56:19):
the Patriots. During his professional football career, Aaron experience repeated
traumatic had impacts, including subconcussive blows and concussions, with a
greater frequency and severity than the general population of men
of a similar age. The repeated head impacts experienced by Aaron,
including these subconcussive blows and concussions, are known to greatly

(56:43):
increase the risk of developing CTE. On April nineteenth, twenty seventeen,
Aaron committed suicide while in custody of the Massachusetts Department
of Corrections. Boston University School of Medicine after his death,
examined Aaron hernandez brain and neurological matter. On August seventeenth,
twenty seventeen, the School of Medicine issued a neuropathology report

(57:08):
diagnosing Aaron with Stage three ct at the time of
his death. CTE is a neurological disorder that progresses through
four worsening stages of brain degeneracy. According to the CTE Society.
Individuals suffering from CTE in stage three, like Aaron, typically
experienced symptoms such as memory loss, executive dysfunction, aggressive explosive behavior,

(57:34):
loss of concentration, mood swings, depression, and cognitive impairment. The
Boston University report also notes that aaron CTE pathology was
unusually severe considering his young age.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So that is the lawsuit. So what happened in that lawsuit?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
If you're curious, here's a short little paragraph on that.
A lawsuit brought by Aaron Hernandez family against the NFL
over CTE was dismissed by a federal judge in twenty
nineteen because he was considered a retired player under a
class action settlement that excluded individual claims.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
The judge ruled.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
The lawsuit involved relitigating issues already covered by the broader
NFL concussion settlement, which also stipulated the individual compensation for
suicides related to CTE was too late to be sought
after hernandez twenty seventeen death. So basically it got thrown out.

(58:35):
So you would think that's it, right, Well, I got
one more shocking piece of information for you, and I'm
going to take you to twenty twenty four, and we're
going to talk quickly about Aaron Hernandez brother DJ, DJ
was arrested in twenty twenty four for threatening to shoot

(58:56):
up the University of Connecticut. Now he pleaded to those charges,
and he pleaded guilty on December eighteenth of twenty twenty four.
In a reference a quick article by the Associated Presce
Dennis Hernandez, the troubled brother of late New England Patriots

(59:17):
tight end Aaron, pleaded guilty to threatening to carry out
a shooting at the University of Connecticut and to kill
three people outside of the state, including a judge. In
twenty twenty three, federal prosecutor said Hernandez, thirty eight, who
went by DJ while playing football for Yukon in the
mid two thousands, appeared.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
In federal court in Hartford and.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Plaged guilty to transmitting interstate communications containing a threat to injure,
which carries up to five years in prison. Sentencing is
set for February sixth, twenty twenty five. His public defender
did not immediately return an email. Terry Hernandez told police
around the time of his arrest in Brustol last year

(01:00:01):
that he had deteriorating mental health problems, including bipolar disorder
and schizophrenia. Dennis Hernandez was shocked with a stun gun
and taken into custody after he came out of his
sister's house with his arms raised, yelling shoot me and
threatening to harm officers. Federal prosecutors said Hernandez threatening is

(01:00:22):
shooting at Yukon's main campus in July of twenty twenty
three while messaging another person on Facebook. Quote, I will
recommend remaining away from there because when I go, I'm
taking down everything, Hernandez wrote. And I don't give a
fuck who gets caught in the crossfire. I've died for
years now, and it's other people's turn. I'm prepared to

(01:00:44):
give my life. Not all shootings are bad, and I'm
realizing some are necessary for change to happen. Court filing
said Hernandez was struggling financially, was frustrated at seeing other
people get hired as football coaches, and fell owed by Yukon.
He played quarterback and wide receiver for the Huskies. Police
said her name as had driven to the Yukon campus

(01:01:07):
and to Brown University in Rhode Island, where he once
served as quarterbacks coach to map the schools out for shooting.
Also in July of twenty twenty three, prosecutors said her
name has made multiple Facebook posts threatening to harm or
kill three people who lived outside of Connecticut, including a
state judge. Hernandez has penning charges in state court in

(01:01:28):
Connecticut in connection with an incident outside ESPN headquarters in Bristol.
He was arrested in March of twenty twenty three on
misdemeanor breach of the peace charges. After police set he
threw a bag containing a brick and a note over
a fence and ont ESPN's property before leaving it said
quote to all media outlets, It's about time you all

(01:01:52):
realize the effects media has on family members. Since you're
a worldwide leader, maybe you could lead how media and
messages are delivered brick by brick. Clean it up, yours truly,
DJ Hernandez. The note said authority said. Hernandez was angry
with people he believed were profiting from the death of
his younger brother, Aaron Hernandez, who killed himself in twenty

(01:02:15):
seventeen while serving death sentence. So what happened to him?
Let's get to the sentencing February seventh of twenty twenty five,
the brother of late New England patriots Tiny and air
And Hernandez was sentenced Friday to eighteen months up prison time,
but he was served to time serve, so he didn't

(01:02:35):
really stay in prison any longer. Dennis Hernandez, thirty eight,
who went by DJ while playing quarterback at Yukon, was
suffering a severe mental health problem at the time of
the threats in his sense, received treatment and medication, according
to his public defender. Hernandez, who apologized for his action
during brief comments and court, was expected to be released

(01:02:57):
from custody later that afternoon. The Federal Bureau of Prison
record show he was no longer in custody as of
the evening of this article. State criminal charges in Connecticut
and Florida in other cases, including allegations against ESPN, are
expected to be dismissed because of the federal case, adding

(01:03:18):
those incidents happen during the same mental health crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Look, this has been a long series. I wanted to
give the rest of it to you today because I
got some other shit I need to get into other
than Aaron Hernandez. But I hope you enjoyed this Bad
Boys series. Would love to hear your opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Comment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Y'all know I post this on the Facebook page and
I usually link each episode that I post comment in
there and let me know what you think.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Did CTE play a major role in this? Do you
feel bad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Because of the CTE to the point that it kind
of excuses the murder of Aden Lloyd. I'd love to
know your opinion because there's a big gray area there
and I just want to know what y'all think, what
my listeners think. Thank you so much for listening. I
got some big check coming up here on Exposed Scandalous

(01:04:17):
Files of the Elite. I'll see you in a couple
of days when we drop our next episode. And until
next time for Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite, I'm
your host, Jim Chapman.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Much love,