October 29, 2025 • 38 mins
In this Episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim Chapman sits down with the award winning host of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings to discuss a serial killer who became infamous in the Baton Rouge Louisiana area in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed, Scandalous Files of
the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today I
am bringing you something a lot different than what is
typical here on Exposed, but it's important and I'm excited
about it, and I know you will be too, So
many of you know that. In addition to hosting Exposed,
(00:23):
I also host a show called Bloody. Inngola, I talk
about the world's most notorious prison, Louisiana State Benitentary. And Inngola,
I host a local business podcast called Local Leaders that
focuses on businesses.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right here in my area.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And in addition to all of that, I also host
Crime Wire Weekly with Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We're co host on that show. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm also blessed to be executive producer for what I
would say is the most talented stable of podcasters on Earth,
with one of those being a ward winning true crime
podcaster Kelly Jennings of Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by
Kelly Jennings. Kelly and I have been keeping a secret
(01:11):
for nearly a year now, and that has been our
work on a mega series. This series is titled DTL.
It covers the crimes of notorious South Louisiana serial killer
Derek Toddley, who terrorized the South Louisiana community in the
(01:32):
late nineties in the early two thousands when he killed
at least seven women, though it's suspected that number could
be as high as twelve or maybe even higher. Now
I struggle to call this a series or a podcast.
It's really what I would call a listener experience. Think
of it like a Netflix documentary for your ears. It's
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complete with a musical score. It had as sound effects
that will actually make you feel as though you are
right there with Kelly as she tells the story. So
I was a guest on Unspeakable, a true crime podcast
by Kelly Jennings, just this week, and we discussed everything
(02:19):
that listeners can look forward to with this series, what
led us to do it, how hard the research was,
and the digging that was involved, the back end work
on that. And I know that there are many of
you that are listeners of Exposed that may not be
familiar with this award winning true crime podcast called Unspeakable.
(02:44):
So I am going to play that interview for you
now with Kelly Jennings, and in the description, I'm going
to link Unspeakable.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you can go follow it. So here's that again.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're talking about DT a series like you've never heard before.
It drops November third, Monday, November third. Thank you so
much for listening and much love.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,
then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,
kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable, and I
have a special guest in the house with me today.
Say hello, special guests.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Hey everyone, it's Jimothy.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It is It is the Jim Chapman Jimothy as I
call him, and he's sitting in on this one with
me today because we've got something a little different, because
we're going to be letting me all know about this
upcoming Derek Todd Lee series that we have been painstakingly
working on for a hot minute.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I would say the better part of a year.
We have discussed this series, talked about what we wanted
to do with it. It required a lot of a
lot of work on everybody's part, and it is a
little bit different than what you're used to from Unspeakable.
This is a very highly produced, just an awesome series.
(04:58):
I couldn't be prouder of how turned out. From the storytelling,
which is obviously top notch when we're dealing with kJ,
to the back end work that was involved in this
that we're going to get into a little bit today.
I'm just flat out excited.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I am too. And so let's start here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
If you're not from Louisiana, I want to clue you
in because you may not be familiar with him. We assume,
because we're from here, that everybody knows what we're talking about,
because I would be hard pressed to believe anyone under
the age of twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Five I guess maybe, but anyone over the age of
I guess of twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
If you say the words Derek todd Lee, they immediately
know exactly what you're talking about and it brings you
back to a moment in time where all of us
were basically seriously frozen with fear because women were being hunted. Yeah,
they were absolutely being hunted in our area. They were
dropping left and right. And I say that with the
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utmost respect, mean that in any way other than you know,
our wives and our sisters and our daughters. We're going
missing and nobody knew who was next.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And it was.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
All in a very all in South Louisiana, you know,
which We've got our waterways and our bios and it's
an easy place for someone to go missing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And we want to get into today a little bit
about how this.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Series is going to be different.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And look, Kelly did a live on DTL and of
course I don't know how many hundreds of people attended that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It was a two day event.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Three we had to do it third night.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Maybe five hundred or so people total.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Uh, But even if you were at that live, this
is going to be a lot of what you've never heard.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oh if you came to the live right now, stop
if you're going, oh man, already know this.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
No you don't, I know you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Because that live show I had two and a half
hours to try to impart on you.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
A lot of people's lives and what happened to them.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But there was no way I could tell you every
single thing into and a half hours.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No way.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
This series is a long one, a very long one.
But every story is different. It's not something being drug out.
I mean I literally need hours to tell you everything
that was going on.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
As a matter of fact, the entire series is about
thirteen hours in length. These are broken up into thirty
to forty minutes segments.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And it is absolute fire.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Now there's going to be some things that are going
to be a little bit different and actually some big
advantages to Patreon members.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right. First thing I'll tell you is this, we wanted
this to not just be episodes. We wanted this to
be a listening experience. We wanted you to feel what
these women were feeling and men, because there are men,
you know, involved in these stories. We want you to
smell it and taste it and hear it much like
it actually went down.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So one of the things that I did just yesterday
actually is I went through and I listened to the
first four episodes and look, I recommend this to everybody
wear some HiPhones if possible.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I know a lot of people listen to it in
the car.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If you do that, turn it up, because, as Kelly
just said, this is actually a listening experience. I put
on my AirPods and I actually laid down in my
bed and I closed my eyes and I literally thought
or felt that I was right there.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In the moment as it was happening, and it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The detail in this really mattered to me, as it
should matter to you. The small things matter just as
much as the big things. And I had if you
were at my house with me, my family would they
wanted to just get me for this. But it was
a hot mess because I had notebooks and binders. I
was working out of two computers and notebooks galore, because
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I was comparing and contrasting all sorts of different accounts.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Jim knows we had people that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Were actually a part of this, the real real victims,
real investigators, the actual people involved. Many hours spent speaking
with them and trying to make this as cohesive and
as real as I possibly could, because this, like I said,
this was just we lived it. Jim, how old were
(09:36):
you when this was going.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
On I was around twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was eighteen, freshly eighteen years old on LSU's campus.
And a lot of the hunting and there's no other
word to use, that's not for theatrics hunting of these women.
You know, I was right there in the mix, Yeah,
right there. And I know you were newly married, right
you just got married?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I had been. I had been married four years
by that point.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Did you have the truffer by that No, it was
just prior to us having our first child.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So we were concerned. I was concerned. Uh my wife
actually fit that profile pretty.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Pretty yours truly does.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I don't want to give away I don't want to
give away too much, but the dark hair and we
almost it was nerve ruck.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And so to really give you perspective on this, it
didn't affect one parish. And we're parishes here, not counties.
It didn't affect one parish. It didn't just affect two,
It affected multiple parishes. Imagine one human being, one human
being on this planet, instilling fear amongst that many people. Yeah,
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and it's like a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It really is. I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So let's get into the production of this a little
bit and what you can expect. Number one, we have
I would call it an award winning on this one.
A musical score that is uh is set in the background.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of this series. UH.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And when I tell you that, you put those headphones
on and you lay back and you feel like you're
there everything from the breathing, you know, there's a I'll
give you one snippet of something that you can look
forward to.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
UH.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
There's an aspect of a story that really stuck out
to me where Kelly is describing a woman jogging around
what's none as Lsu Lakes and you can actually hear
the feet hitting the ground and you can hear the
from the you know, breathing as you're as you're running.
That's how much you will feel like you were right
there in the moment. And that is something that you
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can really look forward to. And it goes a lot
to the storytelling speaks a lot to that and the
backend work that was involved.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So if you're from here, and if you're not, I
want to tell you this, majority of the time, if
you look up this case or the or what was
going on here, the media focused the typical general media
focused on a relatively short period of time in comparison
to everything that this guy was doing. And I'm gonna
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tell you everything from minor petty thefts up through you know,
the most brutal of endings of people's lives that you
could possibly imagine, because everything, to me mattered. I was
going to start with his birth, just so y'all know,
I'm starting with his birth and I'm going all the
way through everything. So if like, like we said, you know,
(12:38):
we had hundreds of people that came out to the
live show, and I had so much fun doing the
show and.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
People really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And so when I promoted the live show, so many
people said, please live.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Stream it, Please live stream it. Well, we weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We didn't have the capabilities at that time, based on
just where we were with the show and the way
that it was set up in the place that we
had the show. That just wasn't an option. It wasn't
because he didn't want to, just wasn't an option.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
For us at that time.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Well now that's when we put our heads together, and
I'll give credit hats off to Jim.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
He was like, you know, there was so much to this.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You never even really could touch what if we put
it into a series.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And at first I had some pushback.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I was like, now I've told the story, and then
he was like, no, man, everybody needs to hear it
in its totality, right, you know, it's so much more
than you can I know, keep saying that, but you
won't believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, there's just a lot of details. Failure, none of
it is mondane.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, failures of the court system, overlookings of the judicial
system that Hindsight's twenty twenty. But when I lay this
out for you, you're gonna go, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, this is unbelievable. This guy was even you know,
walking around.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So one of the things that you can look forward
to if you're a Patreon member. And I do want
to mention this even before we get into that, this
does not take away from Unspeakable's regular series episode.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You can call that Unspeakable.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Original h that will still drop every Wednesday. So this
is an extra drop. This is just another drop on
another day. This particular series DTL will drop every Monday.
You'll have Unspeakable Original every Wednesday. That will be dropping
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as usual. And then on Fridays, of course, we always
drop a preview of Crime Wire weekly.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So you're gonna have actually three days now.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Of kJ talking on all kinds of different topics. And
so I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that
you're still gonna get your unspeakable er.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh yeah, this is this is in addition to and look,
you're my friends, okay, and that's why I want.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I want.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
We wanted to talk, and I hope you're listening to
me because I'm hearing you.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I'm reading your messages saying please release more episodes a week.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Please. This is just a huge push and effort to
give you more and give you exactly what you wanted.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, So we're also going to be dropping this series
on the Patreon. Now it's important to mention this is
an extra series. Uh So, if you're a Patreon member
at the I think it's the fifteen.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Dollars level, there's fifteen the middle or the highest level.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, if you're if you that are higher, you're going
to get this series early in commercial free. Now, not
only are you going to get it early in commercial free,
you're also going to get it three days early. So
the Patreon versions of DTL will drop every Friday early
and commercial free. On Monday, the regular episode with the
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commercials will drop, you know, everywhere you listen Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Whatever exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And we're we're doing this, you know, because we want
you to be able to listen ahead of time, and
then you'll get them early and then you're going to
be ahead of the game and you can get more
as you want. Plus you're still going to get your
bonus episodes that I work on that drop here and there.
So as far as content goes, your mama's putting in
the hours, guys.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So yeah, and it's important to mention if you are
an entry level member on Patreon and you want to
get this series, I know you can go on Patreon,
you show upgrade. There's an upgrade button or something on
the main page. Yeah, and you just upgrade to that
metal level. If it's something that you do. Want to
get this series early and commercial free in three days early.
(16:41):
Typically it's twenty four hours early for unspeakable original drops.
This one, we're giving you even I guess more juice
because we know once you hear the very first episode,
you're going to be ready for number two, Ready for
number three.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I love to how it escalates.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
The series just flat out escalates the entire time. So
we'll give you that background information and then you're just
going to be right there with me. Something too that
was important to me as far as storytelling goes, is
I wanted to go to these scenes of a lot
of these crimes. I wanted to be there, and I
wanted to take it in. I wanted to see it
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with my own eyes. And so I'm going to have
more insight and perspective to give you the listener that
I that if you know these stories, I don't think
that it was imparted upon all of us exactly how
it went down, and not out of out of malice
or anything like that. It's just there was, you know,
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a story to be told. And if a woman was murdered, oh,
this woman was murdered, well, proximity and where this took place,
what it looked like all of this. Jim even rode
with me to some of the locations. We rode together,
and we circled around. Matter of fact, I think they
thought we might have been case in the place. At
one point his neighbors came out.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Looking at us and look, they know where they live
and they know what went down in that house we
were looking at.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And I will tell the listeners one thing. And one
of the places.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We visited was a graveyard in which an attack took
place by Derek Toddley. And there's a big difference between
telling a story and then telling a story after you've
been there and you've seen it, and you smelled it,
and you rolled on those rocks and gravel.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Looked, you looked, your eyes lay where this killer stood,
and you can see the path that he took with
total clarity. So my goals are to give you all
of it in its minute moments and also in its
grandiose moments. And I'm also going to be putting a
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whole lot of photographs, a bunch of photographs, not only
in current times, but in previous times, crime scene photos
and files. I'm going to really try to if you
want to know, If you want to know and it
matters and you like all of that, you're going to
really be blessed with the documentation that I was able to.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Get and from the people, the investigators that wrote them.
This was not documentation you can get on the internet.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, he one in particular, one investigator brought his entire
file to me and let me look through the file.
And so I just I hope you feel this as
much as I have, because I took these killings personal,
even though I was not, you know, related to these victims.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I took it personal.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well you always do.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I mean Kelly, Kelly dives into these stories to such
an extent that she feels like she knows these people.
I want to know them, yeah once, yeah, And so
from that perspective, that's how she tells. And I'm going
to tell you I'll tell everyone this, and this is
one of the primary reasons we're doing this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
This is bar none.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And y'all know that I have produced a lot of podcasts.
I've been very blessed to produce some pretty successful podcast
in my day.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I will tell.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You this is bar none, the best series I have
ever been involved in. Everything from the storytelling to the
production is something you would expect out of a billion
dollar company.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I shit you not on that, folks.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
When you listen to this, you will think you're listening
to a Netflix documentary but better. And Netflix puts together
some pretty damn good documentaries, So get ready for this.
Get excited for this. I feel like this is a
new season of Yellowston. Most like people just looking.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Forward to it. They can't wait to hear it. I'm
telling you you.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Your mind is going to be blown. I was in
the room during this storytelling. I was behind the scenes,
you know, editing this stuff after the fact, and I
still couldn't believe what I was hearing when I listened
to it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
If I got one request, I got five hundred. Please
do a series on this. Please do a series on this.
And it's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And I'm gonna go like kind of personal here, and
I hope you don't get upset with me, but I
kind of thought people might be burned out on him.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
That's that's a truth. That's the truth. I really did, because.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Because you had told that you had dove into that story, yes,
for that live to such a degree that it's not
that you get burned out, but you were like, I
already know the story, but I forgot to tell me
that you know the.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Story right, And I totally I'm telling you, I lost
sight of that. I'm not perfect. I lost sight of that.
And yeah, and it's human.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, and Jim, you know looked me in the face
and was like, girl, just cause you know five hundred
people heard you tell a two and a half hour
story does not mean that all of your listeners got
to hear it. And it was like a light bulb
went off and I was like, oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And then, and not only that, even the five hundred
that hurt it, you had to condense an entire, an entire,
horrific ten year time period in the state of Louisiana.
You had to condense that into two and a half hours.
Now we're looking at over thirteen hours of content total
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for this series, and there's no condensing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You're going to get all the facts.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There were things about victims that you were like, and look,
I had to push.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Because you know, Kelly likes to bring in the details
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
She likes to bring in details. She gets pissed when
she can't bring the details. And I had to continuously
remind Kelly that, hey, we've got limited time here. You
can't go off on an hour tangent on one particular
victim because we've got to tell all their stories and
we've only got two hours to do it, essentially, and.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
There's a fine line between in my mind artistically, if
I want to say at that land that sounds kind
of cheesy, but there's a fine line between making sure
I honor the victim in complete coverage and then you know,
getting through the story. And so I've done my best
to give you as much as I can. I hope
that you can see these houses. I hope that you
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can feel the air. I hope you feel the rain,
you know, because if you can't, that's part of the
human experience. And why this affected so many people is.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Because it could be me.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh my god, I stood on that street. Oh wow,
I walked that very path. You know.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
She looks like me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah she Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
She had she had a business three miles from my home. Jim,
did you see what happened in Texas today?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you
what happened in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It cannot be as crazy as the case I told
you about yesterday in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know what, we should do a podcast.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
About it, and with that we did.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Crime War Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have
dominated the week.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
We cover trending crimes from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And even sprinkle in a few globally.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link
in the description of this podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know and then come to find out, guys have
if you've ever heard of six Degrees of separation, we've
all hopefully heard that that saying before, but.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Or Kevin Bacon, But believe it or not, those before, well.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It used to. There used to be aff say.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You'd say, name a movie with Kevin Bacon and you
can talk any actor into that movie within six movies.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, well it's true.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Hey, to show you how strange it is. Well, well,
my point was this that once I started telling, you know,
some local friends of mine what I.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Was doing, they knew these people or they uh won.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
My dad's best friend, his wife was very good friends
with one of these victims. I never knew that because
I was young. Why would I even think to ask that?
But then you start you start looking and listening, and
you realize just how completely and totally connected we all are. Hell, Jim,
we we were meant to be friends real quick. I
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know we're talking about this series, but our our paths
we learned crossed back from childhood.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, and we never knew it. We shared the same friends,
didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
We went to the same high school, yeah, just years ago.
He graduated before I ever got there. Yeah, I'm a
much older you old, you old man, but we went
to the same high school.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
He knew my grandpa. Jim knew my grandpa like.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You know, and so just that type of connection between
he and I and look at us today. You know.
He sold paint to companies that I went to and
dealt with and and worked for.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Not in a big scale, but like I did some
voice acting. I said one line anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And he sold paint to are you ready you may
recognize this line from a from a Hallmark movie. Ready here,
let me help you with that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But like he got the part.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, but uh, you know, he sold paint to that
same company. Like we just we talk about it all
the time, like God was trying to make us friends.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, we just had to get our.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And we come to find out we live literally across
the street from each other.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I never knew it.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So there's that, you know, and and that human aspect.
I'm just trying to tell you. I want these women
to matter. They still matter. And there's pieces and parts
of my own personal life that you're going to get
to hear throughout this series that directly connected to these women.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And another exciting thing about this series is the interviews
that we were able to do with people boots on
the ground. The investigator David McDavid is out one of
the main characters, if you will, in this story, investigator
from Zachary, Louisiana. He was the chief of police at
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one point, then he became the mayor of Zachary.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He started in the reserve program as a kid and
is now mayor of Zachary. He's gone through everything and
mad respect for that man, mad.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Respect and he was very integral in the Derek Todd
Lee story. We interviewed him, we recorded that interview. You're
going to get that Kathy font No tell me.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So, Kathy Fonto is an absolute hero of my and
when you think of mine, when you think about I
just I'm a strong believer in being a woman's woman. Okay,
we straighten each other's crowns and we don't drag each
other down.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And when people make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I'm one of those friends that would rather tell you
in person, in private. I don't want to drag you
down in front of other people, just like I don't
want that done for me. Well, Kathy Fonteau was a
warden at Angola and she isn't anymore, but she was
at the time, and she actually hired me, and I
look up to her, I admire her, and she actually
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was very a big part of who I am today.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
She would probably roll her eyes at that, but.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You never know how a one or two hour interaction
with a young kid on a college campus can totally
change the trajectory of their life. And she was that
person for me. And she was a warden at Angola,
tough as nails, cute as a button.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Funny funny story on that, when you know, I never
I knew the legend of Kathy font No had a
lot of respect for her before I ever met her.
But you know, you develop a picture of someone in
your head, and I developed this picture and just from
hearing her reputation, I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Thinking this, this woman six foot.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Tall, probably muscle bounds, yeah maybe kind of butch. And
she walked in here and this is an attractive woman,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Like, wow, she's a little shitty and a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And I almost stuttered when you walked in the room
because I'm like, wow, I didn't expect a good looking
woman to walk in here. And I don't mean that
any kind of negative way, but it's that was her
persona is just such a legendary persona, you know, being
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a warden at Louisiana's State Penitentiary in Gola with that
al yeah, makes you developed this picture. But we interviewed
her and she shared some insight into Derrick Toddley after
his incarceration that you can't get anywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
First firsthand experience and real quick. You know, you said,
you people build pictures of what people.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Look like all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We don't. You know. I post pictures because I have to,
you know, but you know, I'm not someone who wants
my face on everything. But I posted a picture of
Jim and I at a concert recently, and the comments
were so funny because people.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Go, wait a minute, Jim looked.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I thought Jim was some skinny man with long blonde
hair and a mustag.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Jim's bald, and you know, like.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Solid ball, like I shaved my head, not bald, like
I got a what is it?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
A fold over or.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Something fold over, stone cold bowl bald not yeah, stone cold,
Steve Austin or door.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, but get that when people people's one woman said, Wow,
it's so strange to see your face.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I know your voice, but to see what you look like.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's not what you know. It's just not what I
expect and so kind of interesting. But that's that's the
case here. And also I'm gonna tell you this, Derek
Todd Lee doesn't look anything like what anybody thought he
would look like.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
No, And so that's a huge part of that story.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's just why do't we build these expectations and then
they're totally shattered?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
You know, it's very interesting how the mind works.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And you know, another interesting thing about the DTL story, uh,
And we don't talk too much about this in the
series for obvious reasons, but Derek Todd Lee was one
of three serial killers running around in South Louisiana at.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
The same time, all at.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The same time. Imagine the pressure on investigators.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, and Okay, so I know we're all watching the
ed gean Netflix thing that's out right now.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I watched the first one and I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Couldn't get it. I finished it. I finished it. Yeah,
some some parts of it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I'm it's too weird for me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I watched it because I wanted to see what they
what they expanded on, and maybe they took a lot
of liberties in that show, but a couple of points
it just got perverse just for the sake of perversion.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It felt like yeaing mom and naked.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, well you missed some other stiff too.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I was like, eh, I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Good, but but no, like you know, the people that
are caught up in that type of that's a big
thing that again because of how horrific it was.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Well, we had three of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Them things running around, you know in South Louisiana and
just investigators. How do you go look at at at
a at a death and then you go look at
another death, and then you look at another death and
you're like, well, is this the hallmark of this uncaught killer?
Or is it the hallmark of this uncaught killer? And
then they overlap. They had a job, they had a
huge job cut out for them at that time, and
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we may we may need to extend series to talk
about those guys too.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, it was uh, it's just something folks that I
cannot impress on you enough how awesome it is. And
I know you would expect that from the people that
produced it and the people that hosted it. But I'm
telling you, when you hear this, you're going to be
blown away, and you're going to know the amount of
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work involved, and you're going to know who.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You're going to know so much about.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
This guy and what I tell you in this story,
and I mean this ten toes down.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Chest out. I have a lot of college age listeners.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know that because they reach out to me and
they ask me for sources and things like that. If
you're in college and you're writing papers and you're you know,
in criminal justice or something, this series will give you
a ton of insight too, to expand upon and to
learn from. And I know that's kind of a weird
thing for me to pull out, but it's happening right now.
I've had a couple of people reach out recently. One
(33:52):
of my former student's message, I mean, she said, oh
my god, thank you so much, because I had sent
her a bunch of my sources and she did her
paper and Derek Tidler got a hundred percent too. Shout
out and then another friend of mine, uh jem, I
got sighted for the first time, formally sighted in a
writing right, Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
She sent it to me, She's like, look, you're officially
a source. I was like, damn it, yes, you know,
the academic in me loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper
secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,
a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Derek Todd Lee was
a man whose charm masked a sinister reality.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
He was a monster.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile, led
a double life that would unravel in a series of
murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and the
surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and murders
began to surf, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,
igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was
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just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer eventually
known by just three letters, would reveal not only the
depths of Derek Toddley's depravity, but also the resilience of
those most affected by his evil acts, the families and
the survivors.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
This is DTL.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Look, we want to tell you right now. If you're
listening to this on the regular feed, this episode number
one is five days from today, so it drops Monday
for you. Obviously, we drop our shows at midnight, So
Monday at the struck of midnight, which some people say,
(35:51):
wait in that Sunday night. No, technically it's Monday, Moore.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I'm one of those.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I think it's Sunday.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, it blows people's minds. But midnight.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You're going to get that if you are a Patreon
member though, as I told you, you're going to get
this in two days. So if you're not currently a
Patreon member, go join the middle level or above right
now and you'll get to hear episode number one on Friday,
two days from today. Now, if you're listening to this
(36:20):
obviously on Patreon, well you're three days from today.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You'll too much math. Just yeah, just do your thing. People,
do your thing whatever makes you happy. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I like to get down in and weed us with time.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So I hope y'all are excited I hope that you
are prepared and that you're ready to hear it all,
and that you really enjoy this and remember that these
victims are real people, and that these stories are being
told not with salaciousness, not with.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Theatrics, just for the sake of it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I want you to know and I hope that it
can help mold you as an individual when you think
about the criminal justice system, when you think about victims rights,
when you think about families of victim, all of that.
That is why this has been so such a good
experience for me, because it's going to give you a
lot of insight that sometimes gets glossed over because people
don't want.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
To hear it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Right, And one more thing, Okay, share it, Yeah, Share
this podcast on your social media, this series on your
social media. If you enjoyed it, we want to get
as many guys on it as possible.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
As y'all know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
kJ is all about the victims, telling the stories of
the victims, but nobody ever knows the victims. If not
enough people listen to it and hear it, the best
way you can get that out there is to share
this podcast. If you're hearing this right now, you're already
a fan, you're listening, you're loving unspeakable. We want to
get it to the people out there that are not
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familiar with this show so that we can introduce them
to the victims in these cases.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That's right, because they are us, We are them, and
they matter. So thank y'all so much for this impromptu,
I guess conversational piece that we gave you this week,
and you can get ready because I got a lot
more content coming your way.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
So until next time, I am Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Do you want me to say, I'm Jim Chaplin, I'm
Jim Chapman.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And this has been a terrible ending.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
We're going to end it like that.
Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed, Scandalous Files of
the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today I
am bringing you something a lot different than what is
typical here on Exposed, but it's important and I'm excited
about it, and I know you will be too, So
many of you know that. In addition to hosting Exposed,
(00:23):
I also host a show called Bloody. Inngola, I talk
about the world's most notorious prison, Louisiana State Benitentary. And Inngola,
I host a local business podcast called Local Leaders that
focuses on businesses.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right here in my area.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And in addition to all of that, I also host
Crime Wire Weekly with Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We're co host on that show. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm also blessed to be executive producer for what I
would say is the most talented stable of podcasters on Earth,
with one of those being a ward winning true crime
podcaster Kelly Jennings of Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by
Kelly Jennings. Kelly and I have been keeping a secret
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for nearly a year now, and that has been our
work on a mega series. This series is titled DTL.
It covers the crimes of notorious South Louisiana serial killer
Derek Toddley, who terrorized the South Louisiana community in the
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late nineties in the early two thousands when he killed
at least seven women, though it's suspected that number could
be as high as twelve or maybe even higher. Now
I struggle to call this a series or a podcast.
It's really what I would call a listener experience. Think
of it like a Netflix documentary for your ears. It's
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complete with a musical score. It had as sound effects
that will actually make you feel as though you are
right there with Kelly as she tells the story. So
I was a guest on Unspeakable, a true crime podcast
by Kelly Jennings, just this week, and we discussed everything
(02:19):
that listeners can look forward to with this series, what
led us to do it, how hard the research was,
and the digging that was involved, the back end work
on that. And I know that there are many of
you that are listeners of Exposed that may not be
familiar with this award winning true crime podcast called Unspeakable.
(02:44):
So I am going to play that interview for you
now with Kelly Jennings, and in the description, I'm going
to link Unspeakable.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you can go follow it. So here's that again.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're talking about DT a series like you've never heard before.
It drops November third, Monday, November third. Thank you so
much for listening and much love.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,
then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,
kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable, and I
have a special guest in the house with me today.
Say hello, special guests.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Hey everyone, it's Jimothy.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It is It is the Jim Chapman Jimothy as I
call him, and he's sitting in on this one with
me today because we've got something a little different, because
we're going to be letting me all know about this
upcoming Derek Todd Lee series that we have been painstakingly
working on for a hot minute.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I would say the better part of a year.
We have discussed this series, talked about what we wanted
to do with it. It required a lot of a
lot of work on everybody's part, and it is a
little bit different than what you're used to from Unspeakable.
This is a very highly produced, just an awesome series.
(04:58):
I couldn't be prouder of how turned out. From the storytelling,
which is obviously top notch when we're dealing with kJ,
to the back end work that was involved in this
that we're going to get into a little bit today.
I'm just flat out excited.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I am too. And so let's start here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
If you're not from Louisiana, I want to clue you
in because you may not be familiar with him. We assume,
because we're from here, that everybody knows what we're talking about,
because I would be hard pressed to believe anyone under
the age of twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Five I guess maybe, but anyone over the age of
I guess of twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
If you say the words Derek todd Lee, they immediately
know exactly what you're talking about and it brings you
back to a moment in time where all of us
were basically seriously frozen with fear because women were being hunted. Yeah,
they were absolutely being hunted in our area. They were
dropping left and right. And I say that with the
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utmost respect, mean that in any way other than you know,
our wives and our sisters and our daughters. We're going
missing and nobody knew who was next.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And it was.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
All in a very all in South Louisiana, you know,
which We've got our waterways and our bios and it's
an easy place for someone to go missing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And we want to get into today a little bit
about how this.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Series is going to be different.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And look, Kelly did a live on DTL and of
course I don't know how many hundreds of people attended that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It was a two day event.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Three we had to do it third night.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Maybe five hundred or so people total.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Uh, But even if you were at that live, this
is going to be a lot of what you've never heard.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oh if you came to the live right now, stop
if you're going, oh man, already know this.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
No you don't, I know you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Because that live show I had two and a half
hours to try to impart on you.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
A lot of people's lives and what happened to them.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But there was no way I could tell you every
single thing into and a half hours.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No way.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
This series is a long one, a very long one.
But every story is different. It's not something being drug out.
I mean I literally need hours to tell you everything
that was going on.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
As a matter of fact, the entire series is about
thirteen hours in length. These are broken up into thirty
to forty minutes segments.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And it is absolute fire.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Now there's going to be some things that are going
to be a little bit different and actually some big
advantages to Patreon members.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right. First thing I'll tell you is this, we wanted
this to not just be episodes. We wanted this to
be a listening experience. We wanted you to feel what
these women were feeling and men, because there are men,
you know, involved in these stories. We want you to
smell it and taste it and hear it much like
it actually went down.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So one of the things that I did just yesterday
actually is I went through and I listened to the
first four episodes and look, I recommend this to everybody
wear some HiPhones if possible.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I know a lot of people listen to it in
the car.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If you do that, turn it up, because, as Kelly
just said, this is actually a listening experience. I put
on my AirPods and I actually laid down in my
bed and I closed my eyes and I literally thought
or felt that I was right there.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In the moment as it was happening, and it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The detail in this really mattered to me, as it
should matter to you. The small things matter just as
much as the big things. And I had if you
were at my house with me, my family would they
wanted to just get me for this. But it was
a hot mess because I had notebooks and binders. I
was working out of two computers and notebooks galore, because
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I was comparing and contrasting all sorts of different accounts.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Jim knows we had people that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Were actually a part of this, the real real victims,
real investigators, the actual people involved. Many hours spent speaking
with them and trying to make this as cohesive and
as real as I possibly could, because this, like I said,
this was just we lived it. Jim, how old were
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you when this was going.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
On I was around twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was eighteen, freshly eighteen years old on LSU's campus.
And a lot of the hunting and there's no other
word to use, that's not for theatrics hunting of these women.
You know, I was right there in the mix, Yeah,
right there. And I know you were newly married, right
you just got married?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I had been. I had been married four years
by that point.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Did you have the truffer by that No, it was
just prior to us having our first child.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So we were concerned. I was concerned. Uh my wife
actually fit that profile pretty.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Pretty yours truly does.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I don't want to give away I don't want to
give away too much, but the dark hair and we
almost it was nerve ruck.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And so to really give you perspective on this, it
didn't affect one parish. And we're parishes here, not counties.
It didn't affect one parish. It didn't just affect two,
It affected multiple parishes. Imagine one human being, one human
being on this planet, instilling fear amongst that many people. Yeah,
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and it's like a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It really is. I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So let's get into the production of this a little
bit and what you can expect. Number one, we have
I would call it an award winning on this one.
A musical score that is uh is set in the background.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of this series. UH.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And when I tell you that, you put those headphones
on and you lay back and you feel like you're
there everything from the breathing, you know, there's a I'll
give you one snippet of something that you can look
forward to.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
UH.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
There's an aspect of a story that really stuck out
to me where Kelly is describing a woman jogging around
what's none as Lsu Lakes and you can actually hear
the feet hitting the ground and you can hear the
from the you know, breathing as you're as you're running.
That's how much you will feel like you were right
there in the moment. And that is something that you
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can really look forward to. And it goes a lot
to the storytelling speaks a lot to that and the
backend work that was involved.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So if you're from here, and if you're not, I
want to tell you this, majority of the time, if
you look up this case or the or what was
going on here, the media focused the typical general media
focused on a relatively short period of time in comparison
to everything that this guy was doing. And I'm gonna
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tell you everything from minor petty thefts up through you know,
the most brutal of endings of people's lives that you
could possibly imagine, because everything, to me mattered. I was
going to start with his birth, just so y'all know,
I'm starting with his birth and I'm going all the
way through everything. So if like, like we said, you know,
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we had hundreds of people that came out to the
live show, and I had so much fun doing the
show and.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
People really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And so when I promoted the live show, so many
people said, please live.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Stream it, Please live stream it. Well, we weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We didn't have the capabilities at that time, based on
just where we were with the show and the way
that it was set up in the place that we
had the show. That just wasn't an option. It wasn't
because he didn't want to, just wasn't an option.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
For us at that time.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Well now that's when we put our heads together, and
I'll give credit hats off to Jim.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
He was like, you know, there was so much to this.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You never even really could touch what if we put
it into a series.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And at first I had some pushback.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I was like, now I've told the story, and then
he was like, no, man, everybody needs to hear it
in its totality, right, you know, it's so much more
than you can I know, keep saying that, but you
won't believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, there's just a lot of details. Failure, none of
it is mondane.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, failures of the court system, overlookings of the judicial
system that Hindsight's twenty twenty. But when I lay this
out for you, you're gonna go, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, this is unbelievable. This guy was even you know,
walking around.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So one of the things that you can look forward
to if you're a Patreon member. And I do want
to mention this even before we get into that, this
does not take away from Unspeakable's regular series episode.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You can call that Unspeakable.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Original h that will still drop every Wednesday. So this
is an extra drop. This is just another drop on
another day. This particular series DTL will drop every Monday.
You'll have Unspeakable Original every Wednesday. That will be dropping
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as usual. And then on Fridays, of course, we always
drop a preview of Crime Wire weekly.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So you're gonna have actually three days now.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Of kJ talking on all kinds of different topics. And
so I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that
you're still gonna get your unspeakable er.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh yeah, this is this is in addition to and look,
you're my friends, okay, and that's why I want.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I want.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
We wanted to talk, and I hope you're listening to
me because I'm hearing you.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I'm reading your messages saying please release more episodes a week.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Please. This is just a huge push and effort to
give you more and give you exactly what you wanted.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, So we're also going to be dropping this series
on the Patreon. Now it's important to mention this is
an extra series. Uh So, if you're a Patreon member
at the I think it's the fifteen.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Dollars level, there's fifteen the middle or the highest level.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, if you're if you that are higher, you're going
to get this series early in commercial free. Now, not
only are you going to get it early in commercial free,
you're also going to get it three days early. So
the Patreon versions of DTL will drop every Friday early
and commercial free. On Monday, the regular episode with the
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commercials will drop, you know, everywhere you listen Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Whatever exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And we're we're doing this, you know, because we want
you to be able to listen ahead of time, and
then you'll get them early and then you're going to
be ahead of the game and you can get more
as you want. Plus you're still going to get your
bonus episodes that I work on that drop here and there.
So as far as content goes, your mama's putting in
the hours, guys.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So yeah, and it's important to mention if you are
an entry level member on Patreon and you want to
get this series, I know you can go on Patreon,
you show upgrade. There's an upgrade button or something on
the main page. Yeah, and you just upgrade to that
metal level. If it's something that you do. Want to
get this series early and commercial free in three days early.
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Typically it's twenty four hours early for unspeakable original drops.
This one, we're giving you even I guess more juice
because we know once you hear the very first episode,
you're going to be ready for number two, Ready for
number three.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I love to how it escalates.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
The series just flat out escalates the entire time. So
we'll give you that background information and then you're just
going to be right there with me. Something too that
was important to me as far as storytelling goes, is
I wanted to go to these scenes of a lot
of these crimes. I wanted to be there, and I
wanted to take it in. I wanted to see it
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with my own eyes. And so I'm going to have
more insight and perspective to give you the listener that
I that if you know these stories, I don't think
that it was imparted upon all of us exactly how
it went down, and not out of out of malice
or anything like that. It's just there was, you know,
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a story to be told. And if a woman was murdered, oh,
this woman was murdered, well, proximity and where this took place,
what it looked like all of this. Jim even rode
with me to some of the locations. We rode together,
and we circled around. Matter of fact, I think they
thought we might have been case in the place. At
one point his neighbors came out.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Looking at us and look, they know where they live
and they know what went down in that house we
were looking at.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And I will tell the listeners one thing. And one
of the places.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We visited was a graveyard in which an attack took
place by Derek Toddley. And there's a big difference between
telling a story and then telling a story after you've
been there and you've seen it, and you smelled it,
and you rolled on those rocks and gravel.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Looked, you looked, your eyes lay where this killer stood,
and you can see the path that he took with
total clarity. So my goals are to give you all
of it in its minute moments and also in its
grandiose moments. And I'm also going to be putting a
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whole lot of photographs, a bunch of photographs, not only
in current times, but in previous times, crime scene photos
and files. I'm going to really try to if you
want to know, If you want to know and it
matters and you like all of that, you're going to
really be blessed with the documentation that I was able to.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Get and from the people, the investigators that wrote them.
This was not documentation you can get on the internet.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, he one in particular, one investigator brought his entire
file to me and let me look through the file.
And so I just I hope you feel this as
much as I have, because I took these killings personal,
even though I was not, you know, related to these victims.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I took it personal.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well you always do.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I mean Kelly, Kelly dives into these stories to such
an extent that she feels like she knows these people.
I want to know them, yeah once, yeah, And so
from that perspective, that's how she tells. And I'm going
to tell you I'll tell everyone this, and this is
one of the primary reasons we're doing this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
This is bar none.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And y'all know that I have produced a lot of podcasts.
I've been very blessed to produce some pretty successful podcast
in my day.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I will tell.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You this is bar none, the best series I have
ever been involved in. Everything from the storytelling to the
production is something you would expect out of a billion
dollar company.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I shit you not on that, folks.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
When you listen to this, you will think you're listening
to a Netflix documentary but better. And Netflix puts together
some pretty damn good documentaries, So get ready for this.
Get excited for this. I feel like this is a
new season of Yellowston. Most like people just looking.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Forward to it. They can't wait to hear it. I'm
telling you you.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Your mind is going to be blown. I was in
the room during this storytelling. I was behind the scenes,
you know, editing this stuff after the fact, and I
still couldn't believe what I was hearing when I listened
to it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
If I got one request, I got five hundred. Please
do a series on this. Please do a series on this.
And it's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And I'm gonna go like kind of personal here, and
I hope you don't get upset with me, but I
kind of thought people might be burned out on him.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
That's that's a truth. That's the truth. I really did, because.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Because you had told that you had dove into that story, yes,
for that live to such a degree that it's not
that you get burned out, but you were like, I
already know the story, but I forgot to tell me
that you know the.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Story right, And I totally I'm telling you, I lost
sight of that. I'm not perfect. I lost sight of that.
And yeah, and it's human.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, and Jim, you know looked me in the face
and was like, girl, just cause you know five hundred
people heard you tell a two and a half hour
story does not mean that all of your listeners got
to hear it. And it was like a light bulb
went off and I was like, oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And then, and not only that, even the five hundred
that hurt it, you had to condense an entire, an entire,
horrific ten year time period in the state of Louisiana.
You had to condense that into two and a half hours.
Now we're looking at over thirteen hours of content total
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for this series, and there's no condensing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You're going to get all the facts.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There were things about victims that you were like, and look,
I had to push.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Because you know, Kelly likes to bring in the details
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
She likes to bring in details. She gets pissed when
she can't bring the details. And I had to continuously
remind Kelly that, hey, we've got limited time here. You
can't go off on an hour tangent on one particular
victim because we've got to tell all their stories and
we've only got two hours to do it, essentially, and.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
There's a fine line between in my mind artistically, if
I want to say at that land that sounds kind
of cheesy, but there's a fine line between making sure
I honor the victim in complete coverage and then you know,
getting through the story. And so I've done my best
to give you as much as I can. I hope
that you can see these houses. I hope that you
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can feel the air. I hope you feel the rain,
you know, because if you can't, that's part of the
human experience. And why this affected so many people is.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Because it could be me.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh my god, I stood on that street. Oh wow,
I walked that very path. You know.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
She looks like me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah she Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
She had she had a business three miles from my home. Jim,
did you see what happened in Texas today?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you
what happened in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It cannot be as crazy as the case I told
you about yesterday in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know what, we should do a podcast.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
About it, and with that we did.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Crime War Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have
dominated the week.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
We cover trending crimes from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And even sprinkle in a few globally.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link
in the description of this podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know and then come to find out, guys have
if you've ever heard of six Degrees of separation, we've
all hopefully heard that that saying before, but.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Or Kevin Bacon, But believe it or not, those before, well.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It used to. There used to be aff say.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You'd say, name a movie with Kevin Bacon and you
can talk any actor into that movie within six movies.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, well it's true.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Hey, to show you how strange it is. Well, well,
my point was this that once I started telling, you know,
some local friends of mine what I.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Was doing, they knew these people or they uh won.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
My dad's best friend, his wife was very good friends
with one of these victims. I never knew that because
I was young. Why would I even think to ask that?
But then you start you start looking and listening, and
you realize just how completely and totally connected we all are. Hell, Jim,
we we were meant to be friends real quick. I
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know we're talking about this series, but our our paths
we learned crossed back from childhood.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, and we never knew it. We shared the same friends,
didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
We went to the same high school, yeah, just years ago.
He graduated before I ever got there. Yeah, I'm a
much older you old, you old man, but we went
to the same high school.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
He knew my grandpa. Jim knew my grandpa like.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You know, and so just that type of connection between
he and I and look at us today. You know.
He sold paint to companies that I went to and
dealt with and and worked for.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Not in a big scale, but like I did some
voice acting. I said one line anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And he sold paint to are you ready you may
recognize this line from a from a Hallmark movie. Ready here,
let me help you with that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But like he got the part.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, but uh, you know, he sold paint to that
same company. Like we just we talk about it all
the time, like God was trying to make us friends.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, we just had to get our.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And we come to find out we live literally across
the street from each other.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I never knew it.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So there's that, you know, and and that human aspect.
I'm just trying to tell you. I want these women
to matter. They still matter. And there's pieces and parts
of my own personal life that you're going to get
to hear throughout this series that directly connected to these women.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And another exciting thing about this series is the interviews
that we were able to do with people boots on
the ground. The investigator David McDavid is out one of
the main characters, if you will, in this story, investigator
from Zachary, Louisiana. He was the chief of police at
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one point, then he became the mayor of Zachary.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He started in the reserve program as a kid and
is now mayor of Zachary. He's gone through everything and
mad respect for that man, mad.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Respect and he was very integral in the Derek Todd
Lee story. We interviewed him, we recorded that interview. You're
going to get that Kathy font No tell me.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So, Kathy Fonto is an absolute hero of my and
when you think of mine, when you think about I
just I'm a strong believer in being a woman's woman. Okay,
we straighten each other's crowns and we don't drag each
other down.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And when people make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I'm one of those friends that would rather tell you
in person, in private. I don't want to drag you
down in front of other people, just like I don't
want that done for me. Well, Kathy Fonteau was a
warden at Angola and she isn't anymore, but she was
at the time, and she actually hired me, and I
look up to her, I admire her, and she actually
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was very a big part of who I am today.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
She would probably roll her eyes at that, but.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You never know how a one or two hour interaction
with a young kid on a college campus can totally
change the trajectory of their life. And she was that
person for me. And she was a warden at Angola,
tough as nails, cute as a button.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Funny funny story on that, when you know, I never
I knew the legend of Kathy font No had a
lot of respect for her before I ever met her.
But you know, you develop a picture of someone in
your head, and I developed this picture and just from
hearing her reputation, I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Thinking this, this woman six foot.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Tall, probably muscle bounds, yeah maybe kind of butch. And
she walked in here and this is an attractive woman,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Like, wow, she's a little shitty and a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And I almost stuttered when you walked in the room
because I'm like, wow, I didn't expect a good looking
woman to walk in here. And I don't mean that
any kind of negative way, but it's that was her
persona is just such a legendary persona, you know, being
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a warden at Louisiana's State Penitentiary in Gola with that
al yeah, makes you developed this picture. But we interviewed
her and she shared some insight into Derrick Toddley after
his incarceration that you can't get anywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
First firsthand experience and real quick. You know, you said,
you people build pictures of what people.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Look like all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We don't. You know. I post pictures because I have to,
you know, but you know, I'm not someone who wants
my face on everything. But I posted a picture of
Jim and I at a concert recently, and the comments
were so funny because people.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Go, wait a minute, Jim looked.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I thought Jim was some skinny man with long blonde
hair and a mustag.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Jim's bald, and you know, like.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Solid ball, like I shaved my head, not bald, like
I got a what is it?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
A fold over or.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Something fold over, stone cold bowl bald not yeah, stone cold,
Steve Austin or door.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, but get that when people people's one woman said, Wow,
it's so strange to see your face.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I know your voice, but to see what you look like.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's not what you know. It's just not what I
expect and so kind of interesting. But that's that's the
case here. And also I'm gonna tell you this, Derek
Todd Lee doesn't look anything like what anybody thought he
would look like.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
No, And so that's a huge part of that story.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's just why do't we build these expectations and then
they're totally shattered?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
You know, it's very interesting how the mind works.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And you know, another interesting thing about the DTL story, uh,
And we don't talk too much about this in the
series for obvious reasons, but Derek Todd Lee was one
of three serial killers running around in South Louisiana at.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
The same time, all at.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The same time. Imagine the pressure on investigators.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, and Okay, so I know we're all watching the
ed gean Netflix thing that's out right now.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I watched the first one and I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Couldn't get it. I finished it. I finished it. Yeah,
some some parts of it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I'm it's too weird for me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I watched it because I wanted to see what they
what they expanded on, and maybe they took a lot
of liberties in that show, but a couple of points
it just got perverse just for the sake of perversion.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It felt like yeaing mom and naked.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, well you missed some other stiff too.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I was like, eh, I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Good, but but no, like you know, the people that
are caught up in that type of that's a big
thing that again because of how horrific it was.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Well, we had three of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Them things running around, you know in South Louisiana and
just investigators. How do you go look at at at
a at a death and then you go look at
another death, and then you look at another death and
you're like, well, is this the hallmark of this uncaught killer?
Or is it the hallmark of this uncaught killer? And
then they overlap. They had a job, they had a
huge job cut out for them at that time, and
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we may we may need to extend series to talk
about those guys too.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, it was uh, it's just something folks that I
cannot impress on you enough how awesome it is. And
I know you would expect that from the people that
produced it and the people that hosted it. But I'm
telling you, when you hear this, you're going to be
blown away, and you're going to know the amount of
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work involved, and you're going to know who.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You're going to know so much about.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
This guy and what I tell you in this story,
and I mean this ten toes down.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Chest out. I have a lot of college age listeners.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know that because they reach out to me and
they ask me for sources and things like that. If
you're in college and you're writing papers and you're you know,
in criminal justice or something, this series will give you
a ton of insight too, to expand upon and to
learn from. And I know that's kind of a weird
thing for me to pull out, but it's happening right now.
I've had a couple of people reach out recently. One
(33:52):
of my former student's message, I mean, she said, oh
my god, thank you so much, because I had sent
her a bunch of my sources and she did her
paper and Derek Tidler got a hundred percent too. Shout
out and then another friend of mine, uh jem, I
got sighted for the first time, formally sighted in a
writing right, Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
She sent it to me, She's like, look, you're officially
a source. I was like, damn it, yes, you know,
the academic in me loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper
secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,
a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Derek Todd Lee was
a man whose charm masked a sinister reality.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
He was a monster.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile, led
a double life that would unravel in a series of
murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and the
surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and murders
began to surf, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,
igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was
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just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer eventually
known by just three letters, would reveal not only the
depths of Derek Toddley's depravity, but also the resilience of
those most affected by his evil acts, the families and
the survivors.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
This is DTL.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Look, we want to tell you right now. If you're
listening to this on the regular feed, this episode number
one is five days from today, so it drops Monday
for you. Obviously, we drop our shows at midnight, So
Monday at the struck of midnight, which some people say,
(35:51):
wait in that Sunday night. No, technically it's Monday, Moore.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I'm one of those.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I think it's Sunday.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, it blows people's minds. But midnight.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You're going to get that if you are a Patreon
member though, as I told you, you're going to get
this in two days. So if you're not currently a
Patreon member, go join the middle level or above right
now and you'll get to hear episode number one on Friday,
two days from today. Now, if you're listening to this
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obviously on Patreon, well you're three days from today.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You'll too much math. Just yeah, just do your thing. People,
do your thing whatever makes you happy. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I like to get down in and weed us with time.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So I hope y'all are excited I hope that you
are prepared and that you're ready to hear it all,
and that you really enjoy this and remember that these
victims are real people, and that these stories are being
told not with salaciousness, not with.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Theatrics, just for the sake of it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I want you to know and I hope that it
can help mold you as an individual when you think
about the criminal justice system, when you think about victims rights,
when you think about families of victim, all of that.
That is why this has been so such a good
experience for me, because it's going to give you a
lot of insight that sometimes gets glossed over because people
don't want.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
To hear it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Right, And one more thing, Okay, share it, Yeah, Share
this podcast on your social media, this series on your
social media. If you enjoyed it, we want to get
as many guys on it as possible.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
As y'all know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
kJ is all about the victims, telling the stories of
the victims, but nobody ever knows the victims. If not
enough people listen to it and hear it, the best
way you can get that out there is to share
this podcast. If you're hearing this right now, you're already
a fan, you're listening, you're loving unspeakable. We want to
get it to the people out there that are not
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familiar with this show so that we can introduce them
to the victims in these cases.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That's right, because they are us, We are them, and
they matter. So thank y'all so much for this impromptu,
I guess conversational piece that we gave you this week,
and you can get ready because I got a lot
more content coming your way.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
So until next time, I am Kelly Jennings.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Do you want me to say, I'm Jim Chaplin, I'm
Jim Chapman.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And this has been a terrible ending.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
We're going to end it like that.
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