April 12, 2024 • 28 mins
Susanne Posel, host of This Week Again, joins us to discuss Trump updates with his upcoming trial, how women are continuously losing rights in this country, and some of the details of Project 2025.
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(00:09):
Face Palm, America. I'm BewelfRocklin. Thanks so much for listening to
us. I appreciate that you giveus a download. In the old day,
is He used to say, giveus a listen. And I know
you're listening, but you're downloading.You're not just tuning in. That's not
how this medium works, although functionallyin a lot of ways it's the same.
(00:33):
You know, I once heard andI think it was a Mystery Sigence
Theater three thousand, the difference betweenradio and a podcast explained pretty well because
the robots on Mystery Signs Theater threethousand didn't know what radio was, and
(00:53):
the host I think it was Jonahat that point explained to them, well,
radio is like a podcast you can'tcontrol. And I thought that was
a good differentiation between the two ofthem. At any rate, we are
here again and Suzanne Posele is withus, the host of this week again.
(01:19):
Susan, welcome. How's it going. It's going well? How about
you? Pretty good? Pretty good? I think we're you know, if
I was hearing correctly, I thinkwe have a few light taps of rain
on the rooftop about now, youknow, April, it goes back and
(01:40):
forth. Sometimes it's sunny, sometimesit's rainy, and I feel like the
news is the same way. Atthe same time, we have have been
cast back into the eighteen sixties byArizona's abortion law. We're also anticipating,
(02:00):
like Donald Trump, actually going onan act, not preliminaries, not charges,
not in a range, but anactual criminal trial in New York City.
And so I'm kind of torn.I don't know whether to be happy
or whether to be sad, orhow I should approach the whole thing.
(02:22):
And so it's okay, we canwalk into gum. At the same time,
we can be elated that finally atrial has run out of delay tactics
and will commence on Monday. Yeah. Well fifteenth. If you're reading this
in the farther future, you've alreadyseen what happened. And I hope it's
(02:44):
good. I hope. So tellus future people, we want to know
the see April fifteenth. You know, usually usually Tax Day is the reason
we remember that. But today,this time, this year, we're going
to be remembering it. We will. Yes, it will be re named
the Trump Day of Visibility. Wewill. He's already too visible, He's
(03:07):
he needs, he needs to beless visible. But I mean this is
a good if he has to bevisible, this is a good way for
him to be visible. Like ontrial, did you hear the epic SmackDown
that Laurence O'Donnell. No, okay, So this hit me kind of like
(03:29):
when Bill Ny went on John Oliver'sshow and lit the world on fire and
dropped f bombs because I grew upwith that man. He helped foster so
much, so much of a fervorfor knowledge, Bill Bill, Bill Bill,
and hearing him scream out obscenities atmy generation, I really it was
(03:54):
worse than any lecture my mother evergave me. It. So Laurence o'donald
is talking about the jurors for thehush money case that's coming up, and
Trump's putting out these videos pleading.They're like self made hostage videos, hilarious,
(04:18):
and Lawrence decides to take some muchneeded pop shots at the fact that
the man we know now that he'snot a billionaire, okay, but he
does have some money and he absolutelycould afford a makeup artist and someone who
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works with you know, what isthe process every morning that he goes through.
I would give so much money tolike see that document. It like
like he could just open a payper view and probably like get the money
that he needs for whatever, likecriminal buy that that that is required.
(05:00):
But think what that must be,like, I mean, it's I mean,
I'm interested, believe me, butit's got to be it's got to
be long, and it's got tobe gross. I mean, like,
I mean, imagine what he hasto do to look like that every morning.
I mean, my god, thepeople from the White House that came
out said that he does his ownmakeup and someone comes along and swirls that
(05:27):
dead raccoon just gives him air aroundhis head. Wait, my my oldest
daughter was asking me why are hiseyes white? And I said, well,
he's using concealer. But the problemis he's not mixing. The bronzer
is so strong. He needs abrush and he just needs a little little
bit of blending. Okay, hejust needs to watch a video on YouTube.
(05:50):
Well, I mean that goes tothe Yeah, I mean, you'd
think he had everything that he needsto like like to pay everybody, but
you know, I guess he's doingit on the shape because he because he
doesn't have the money. That hesays, he does and so and so
he's not h he's not mixing theyou know, not as you say,
blending appropriately. My god, allhe could go to YouTube video for goodness
(06:14):
sakes and find that out. Itreminds me of the makeup. This is
an obscure movie from I think theeighties. It's called The Boy and his
Dog. It was Don Johnson's firstfilm, and it's a it's a it's
a really rough, horrible film.It does not age well at all.
Okay, but the people it's adystopian film. And when he gets to
(06:36):
what is quote unquote Paradise, theywear white makeup with little rosy cheeks and
the men do it. Everyone inthis town does it. John Forsyth is
one of the leaders of the ofthe Paradise and he's in this clown makeup
(06:57):
and looks a lot like him.And Trump went to the same makeup artist.
Or is so funny? A Boyand his Dog. It's a horrible,
rough film. It's it was misogynisticand disgusting for its day, and
it does not age well, youknow, unless you live in Arizona or
Florida or any of the other twentyone states that restrict abortion. But yes,
(07:21):
yeah, it sounds like something thatwould Joe up on riff tracks.
But Arizona, Oh my god,I I don't know exactly how to feel
about that, big. I mean, I mean, here's how it comes
down for me. Look, statescan do this, and there are other
states that are trying to bring usback to the eighteen sixties. And there
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was an opportunity, as we havediscussed before you and I, for the
Democrats at any point over fifty yearsalmost to encode this into law, and
they didn't do it. And nowwe're facing the consequences of their action on
that front and their lack of rigoron fighting for Supreme Court justices when they
when they should have done that,And I am boiling mad at them.
(08:11):
But yet and yet, at thesame time, it does seem to open
an opportunity to be because it's soenraging and it's so it's so maddening,
like how far they're going on this. I mean, we knew that this
that they could do this, andnow they're doing it, and I hope
(08:31):
that it sparks the reaction that they'rehoping that it will. But at the
same time, I know that theDemocrats are being a little bit you know,
cynical about this and that they couldhave prevented it from from happening.
So I just I don't know howto feel. I want to feel good
in the sense that maybe this isthe step too far that the Republicans have
(08:52):
taken, but I don't know.I mean, are we still going to
remember this come November. Absolutely,I'm a woman, I have a vagina,
I have two daughters. Absolutely Ihave less rights than my mother.
(09:13):
And when they when they said,you know, make America great again,
I did. I thought nineteen fiftythree. I didn't think eighteen sixty four
I had. That was not onmy Bengo card. But I have been
screaming from like Cassandra about what theCouncil for National Policy was doing in the
(09:33):
nineteen fifth in the I'm sorry nineteeneighty five, going into setting up this
way in which they would have politiciansand elected officials, lobbyists all moving toward
a few craticizing America, creating aChristian national and they are starting with Roe
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v. Wade. Why because theyneed future workers? Why because they don't
like the idea that I don't knowI can get a no fault divorce just
because I want to. Yeah,And they have spoken out on that open
they've they've spoken out out how muchthey hate no fault divorce. And there
have been a whole series of Republicanswho've said, you know, we want
to overturn this, want we wantto change this, and they're not.
(10:22):
They're not stopping an abortion. They'regoing way beyond that. It's contraception,
it is abortion, it's healthcare.And when they say that they make exceptions,
they don't, okay, because nobodycan qualify for the exceptions. We
have seen what their exceptions do.In Texas, there was a twenty one
year old woman who had who wasforced to give birth to a baby that
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had no head, and she didnot qualify for an exception. So they
don't care about the life of themother. They want to control. They
want to put women back into thekitchen. And we don't have the ability
to find angeley to leave, Wedon't have the ability economically to leave.
And I'm separating the two because womencouldn't get jobs, and if they did,
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it was a joke, and theywere sexually harassed and they were abused
at work, and then they wereabused by their husband and whether they were
pregnant or not. And I don'twant this. It's bad enough that my
daughters don't have the same rights thatI used to have that my mother's generation
fought so hard for. But nowthis is all this is all hands on
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deck. Now. I understand whatyou're saying, but what Trump's party wants
to do. I am going togo into this. We're going into a
history lesson this week on Arizona.I have learned more about the state of
Arizona than I ever wanted to know. And none of it is good.
If you have a vagina, noneof it is good. Yeah. By
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the way, just as a historicalnote, and I'm sure you'll cover this,
eighteen sixty four is way before Arizonawas even a state nineteen twelve,
I know, fifty years later.Yeah, it's I mean like that they're
going they're basically I mean, correctme if I'm wrong. I know you're
studying this in process for your yourshow that you're putting together. But that's
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that's basically like territorial law right fromeighteen sixty four, is that about rest?
They had a territorial governor who wasappointed by Abraham Lincoln. Yeah,
and he and twenty seven white dudes. That's important, made up a bunch
of rules. That's a sequel toTwelve Angry Men. It's twenty seven white
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dudes, except this is eighteen sixtyfour, right right, yeah, sorry,
the prequel, right yeah, theprequel. It's like alien Prometheus or
whatever. These dudes decided that womencould consent to sex. I'm sorry,
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girls could consent to sex at theage of ten, my youngest just thirteen.
I cannot imagine the head of theirlegislator, or what was to become
their legislator. Their speaker of thehouse was a pedophile who married and I'm
doing air quotes, guys, fivegirls and when I say girls, ages
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from nine to fifteen. Yeah,and that guy made up rules like black
anyone but a white person cannot gointo court and testify against a white person.
Yeah. Yeah, And I knowthat they would be very happy to
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see all of those different facets ofthe landscape in the Arizona Territory brought back.
I mean, it's just one afteranother. They're bringing us back into
a past in which straight, whiteChristian men ruled without question and anyone else
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was just there. In one capacityor another to serve them. Absolutely.
Yeah, it's it's got nothing toIt doesn't have to do with with the
right to life. It's got todo with putting everyone aside from from that
small class, into a state ofservitude. That is what it's about,
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and catering to their needs and cateringto their economic system which benefits just them.
And that's what all of this isabout. And we're talking about abortion
in Arizona, but but that's whatthe efforts in all these other states ultimately
are about. That's what the thethe child labor law being loosened in Arkansas
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and other places. That that's thatthese are all converging on that same goal.
I mean, you you talk aboutI mean people like to talk about
the wild West and and you knowhow how great and wonderful, uh you
know that was, and how howwas it? How was a free time?
Well that was I mean that thatin essence was like our process of
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settler colonialism as guided by you know, white men before women ever, you
know, had any any serious hopeof getting the right to vote, before
they could own you know, propertyin in in most situations, I mean,
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and and that is the time thatthey want to bring us back to
it's it's it's it's not the worldwe live in, but it's the world
they have in their brains, andthey're trying to make it a reality.
And we've got to fight like demonsin order to make sure that they do
not win, because it's one worldvision against another, and we want the
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we want the one that we livein, the one that works, the
one in which there is some semblanceof equanimity, and theirs is not that.
(16:29):
It is Project twenty five. Andwhen they say, you know,
when when DONNYE. Tuscoop says,pass it on to the States, he's
lying, Yeah, he has plansto have the Department of Health and Human
Services renamed something like the Department ofRecognition that embryos are children too, Yeah,
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yeah, and getting rid of youknow, we have no problem funding
a man's in fact, nobody complainsabout that. Yeah, But if a
woman wants constraception, or if awoman wants an abortion or any kind of
other healthcare, that is a hugeproblem. Yeah. Yeah, it's I
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mean, we we It's amazing thedegree to which like our our our government
and and the way in which thefar right wants to shape. It is
just predicated on you know, ultimately, you know, I'm a man and
I'm better. You know, I'mI'm a white guy and i'm better.
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I'm a Christian and you're and you'renot. Like all all all these things
come down to these like dumb distinctionswhich create this this this this little elite
and that's and that's and it's it'sall about empowering them. It's just it.
You can take almost any issue,I think. So if if you
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want a reason to vote for Biden, here's one. His administration announced yesterday
that with the ATF and the Departmentof Justice, they're closing the gun show
loophole. They're changing the rules.And so if you sell firearms for profit,
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if you sell a gun for thepurpose of profiting off of that sale,
which means you will make money offof that sale, you have to
register to be a gun seller,and you have to run a background check.
And there's no more passing guns betweenfriends. There's no more at the
gun show, you know, proverbiallygetting a gun without a background check.
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This if you sell a gun andthe purpose of it is that you make
money off of that sale, thenyou have to be registered and you have
to do a background check. Ilove this. I love this for us
because that means a lot of gunsthat don't belong in people's hands because they're
buying them this way, because theywouldn't be able to get it even with
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the broken system we have. Now. This will take a lot of those
guns off the streets. I lovethis for us. Yeah, it's a
start, and we need to goalong way further, but it's a start.
And so is Joe Biden's canceled.He's canceled seven point four billion dollars
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in student debt and you know there'sa lot more there, and a lot
of us have a lot more debththan that because it's such a gigantic scam
and such a gigantic shackle. AndI know he's tried to do more than
this before, and he's been stoppedby right wing states suing him. But
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it's a start, and this issomething that he himself has accomplished. So
I got to give him credit forthat. Yeah, this is awesome because
because yes, what he's gone tothe lengths is go to the Department of
Education and say you can forgive theseunder certain parameters. How do we get
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people to qualify for those parameters.He's also having the Department of Education rego
over all applications to make sure thatpayments were properly attributed, which may be
clerical errors which could lower people's whatthey owe. The safe program getting people
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the ability to have their interest wipedout if it's more than what they owe
on their principle. And this isoutside, this is just this is what
your gut Look. A lot ofpeople have cynically gotten into the impression and
because of the dumbing down of publiceducation that government was created to tell you
what to do and to govern you. No, the federal government was created
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to stop states from doing things thatwere unconstitutional and provide all states have to
follow certain rules if they won't followthe rules of decorum. And the legislator
was the Congress was created to handlewhat the people want in the House and
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in the Congress the states and getthose two ideas to coalesce so we can
create bills that satisfy both. Andthen you have the Supreme Court, which
makes sure that everybody's following what's inthe Constitution. Now, I know all
of those systems are broken, butthat's why it was created. What Biden
is doing with the gun show loopholeand with student debt is what government was
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intended to do. It was intendedto stop states from doing harm to their
citizens just because they can. Sonow when the Supreme Court, because you
know, frivolous lawsuits get through toour Supreme Court, Biden goes into the
government and says, how can westill accomplish this? Well, there's things
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we could have done, but weweren't doing them because nobody thought of it
or nobody wanted to do it.Well, let's do it now. He's
been able to cancel billions of dollarsof debt and continuing, so please people.
I understand I am upset with himon a lot of fronts. But
if it's if it's if it can'tbe women's rights to just be human beings,
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then maybe it's the fact that he'susing our government and his position in
it as it was intended. Justby example, this is what we should
look for in a president. Yeah, and Donald Trump and his forces of
darkness are making it very clear wherethey want to go. Project twenty twenty
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five. You talked about so manytimes what Arizona is doing. You know,
I bet you know, back inthe day, you know, my
dad, back in the nineteen eighties, I will watch really old school stuff
as my dad's you know, abig, you know, right winger,
military guy, and we would watchold like World War Two documentaries, and
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I remember seeing the ones that likeFrank Capra and others would produce on why
we fight, and I remember thelittle animations that they had where it would
show how Nazi Germany took over Europeand how the dark blot you know,
would spread across the map of Europe, you know, enveloping more and more.
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And that's kind of what I see, unfortunately happening in the United States,
with you know, a state bystate, you know, just more
darkness enveloping the land. And wehave the ability to stop that. We
have an ability to to staunch thathemorrhage in November of this year, and
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we have to do it. Wehave to to stop Trump. And that
is an absolutely critical thing to dobecause if we don't have a democracy to
work with, then we don't haveanything. But don't forget states rights.
So down ballot, who your governor, your lieutenant governor, your state legislators,
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attorney general, especially, yes,you're superintendent of schools in your county,
in your district. All of thosepeople are voting for positions, and
it is important. It does affectyou. I don't care if you have
kids or not. You're going tobe dealing with those people when they turn
eighteen and start driving around and they'rein shops with you and they're serving you
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or whatnot. You're going to bedealing with those people. You want to
make sure that they are properly educated. Yeah, I don't know. Makes
sense to me. You don't haveto well, get involved, but you
don't have to get involved with campaignsor anything. We all have busy lives.
But I have taught my kids whenwe vote, I take them with
me to the ballot box. Ihave that put it in there since they
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were kids, because I want themto vote on every issue, whether it's
a question of whether something should beon the ballot. Like, hey,
guess what Florida abortion is on theballot. After your governor of white Clause
said okay, well no, we'llhave a six week band because a woman
should get her reproductive shit together.She should know if she's pregnant in six
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weeks. Sir, we haven't evenstarted to figure out whether or not our
period is coming on time that month. Yeah, it's it's so important.
It's so critical to be active andengaged and to vote because this really could
be it. And I know thatin our respective program, Suzanne, you
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and I tend towards the lighthearted,the funny, the amusing. And there
are so many lighthearted and funny andamusing things that we deal with. This
isn't one of them. This isabout like the future of our country,
how we're going to live, howour children are going to live, how
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our grandchildren are going to live.And we can either choose to uh,
you know, be have a futureof darkness or have a future of light
and and it's it's very clear whatthat is this year. And and I
hope that people are listening. Andyou know, there are other times to
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laugh and we will laugh, butright now I'm not feeling I'm not feeling
a whole bunch like doing it.Frankly, there's so much bad ship going
on. Well, go listen toLawrence O'donnald's epic takedown. It's on MSNBC
YouTube channel right now. That'll Andand by the way, Kevin McCarthy is
the gift that keeps on giving.But he said this week about Matt Gates
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and the reason why he was housedis I missed that? Say, oh
I've got the clip. Okay,well, okay, So what you have
to do if you want to hearthat is you have to go on Sunday
and listen to this Week again withSuzanne Posele and you will get you will
get that clip. And are youwondering what it is? I'm wondering,
(27:15):
you know. I I've been I'vebeen busy. I've been a little checked
out for the last for the lastweek or two. So I'm going to
have to like figure this out myself. I'm going to be listening on Sunday
morning, and you need to betoo, every podcasting platform out there.
This week again Susanne Posel. Susanne, I, I know this has been
a serious and not the most likelighthearted interaction, but it is a very
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critical one nevertheless, and we'll getthere will be other times for the funny
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(28:03):
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Face Palm, America. I'm BewelfRocklin. Thanks so much for listening to
us. I appreciate that you giveus a download. In the old day,
is He used to say, giveus a listen. And I know
you're listening, but you're downloading.You're not just tuning in. That's not
how this medium works, although functionallyin a lot of ways it's the same.
(00:33):
You know, I once heard andI think it was a Mystery Sigence
Theater three thousand, the difference betweenradio and a podcast explained pretty well because
the robots on Mystery Signs Theater threethousand didn't know what radio was, and
(00:53):
the host I think it was Jonahat that point explained to them, well,
radio is like a podcast you can'tcontrol. And I thought that was
a good differentiation between the two ofthem. At any rate, we are
here again and Suzanne Posele is withus, the host of this week again.
(01:19):
Susan, welcome. How's it going. It's going well? How about
you? Pretty good? Pretty good? I think we're you know, if
I was hearing correctly, I thinkwe have a few light taps of rain
on the rooftop about now, youknow, April, it goes back and
(01:40):
forth. Sometimes it's sunny, sometimesit's rainy, and I feel like the
news is the same way. Atthe same time, we have have been
cast back into the eighteen sixties byArizona's abortion law. We're also anticipating,
(02:00):
like Donald Trump, actually going onan act, not preliminaries, not charges,
not in a range, but anactual criminal trial in New York City.
And so I'm kind of torn.I don't know whether to be happy
or whether to be sad, orhow I should approach the whole thing.
(02:22):
And so it's okay, we canwalk into gum. At the same time,
we can be elated that finally atrial has run out of delay tactics
and will commence on Monday. Yeah. Well fifteenth. If you're reading this
in the farther future, you've alreadyseen what happened. And I hope it's
(02:44):
good. I hope. So tellus future people, we want to know
the see April fifteenth. You know, usually usually Tax Day is the reason
we remember that. But today,this time, this year, we're going
to be remembering it. We will. Yes, it will be re named
the Trump Day of Visibility. Wewill. He's already too visible, He's
(03:07):
he needs, he needs to beless visible. But I mean this is
a good if he has to bevisible, this is a good way for
him to be visible. Like ontrial, did you hear the epic SmackDown
that Laurence O'Donnell. No, okay, So this hit me kind of like
(03:29):
when Bill Ny went on John Oliver'sshow and lit the world on fire and
dropped f bombs because I grew upwith that man. He helped foster so
much, so much of a fervorfor knowledge, Bill Bill, Bill Bill,
and hearing him scream out obscenities atmy generation, I really it was
(03:54):
worse than any lecture my mother evergave me. It. So Laurence o'donald
is talking about the jurors for thehush money case that's coming up, and
Trump's putting out these videos pleading.They're like self made hostage videos, hilarious,
(04:18):
and Lawrence decides to take some muchneeded pop shots at the fact that
the man we know now that he'snot a billionaire, okay, but he
does have some money and he absolutelycould afford a makeup artist and someone who
(04:40):
works with you know, what isthe process every morning that he goes through.
I would give so much money tolike see that document. It like
like he could just open a payper view and probably like get the money
that he needs for whatever, likecriminal buy that that that is required.
(05:00):
But think what that must be,like, I mean, it's I mean,
I'm interested, believe me, butit's got to be it's got to
be long, and it's got tobe gross. I mean, like,
I mean, imagine what he hasto do to look like that every morning.
I mean, my god, thepeople from the White House that came
out said that he does his ownmakeup and someone comes along and swirls that
(05:27):
dead raccoon just gives him air aroundhis head. Wait, my my oldest
daughter was asking me why are hiseyes white? And I said, well,
he's using concealer. But the problemis he's not mixing. The bronzer
is so strong. He needs abrush and he just needs a little little
bit of blending. Okay, hejust needs to watch a video on YouTube.
(05:50):
Well, I mean that goes tothe Yeah, I mean, you'd
think he had everything that he needsto like like to pay everybody, but
you know, I guess he's doingit on the shape because he because he
doesn't have the money. That hesays, he does and so and so
he's not h he's not mixing theyou know, not as you say,
blending appropriately. My god, allhe could go to YouTube video for goodness
(06:14):
sakes and find that out. Itreminds me of the makeup. This is
an obscure movie from I think theeighties. It's called The Boy and his
Dog. It was Don Johnson's firstfilm, and it's a it's a it's
a really rough, horrible film.It does not age well at all.
Okay, but the people it's adystopian film. And when he gets to
(06:36):
what is quote unquote Paradise, theywear white makeup with little rosy cheeks and
the men do it. Everyone inthis town does it. John Forsyth is
one of the leaders of the ofthe Paradise and he's in this clown makeup
(06:57):
and looks a lot like him.And Trump went to the same makeup artist.
Or is so funny? A Boyand his Dog. It's a horrible,
rough film. It's it was misogynisticand disgusting for its day, and
it does not age well, youknow, unless you live in Arizona or
Florida or any of the other twentyone states that restrict abortion. But yes,
(07:21):
yeah, it sounds like something thatwould Joe up on riff tracks.
But Arizona, Oh my god,I I don't know exactly how to feel
about that, big. I mean, I mean, here's how it comes
down for me. Look, statescan do this, and there are other
states that are trying to bring usback to the eighteen sixties. And there
(07:45):
was an opportunity, as we havediscussed before you and I, for the
Democrats at any point over fifty yearsalmost to encode this into law, and
they didn't do it. And nowwe're facing the consequences of their action on
that front and their lack of rigoron fighting for Supreme Court justices when they
when they should have done that,And I am boiling mad at them.
(08:11):
But yet and yet, at thesame time, it does seem to open
an opportunity to be because it's soenraging and it's so it's so maddening,
like how far they're going on this. I mean, we knew that this
that they could do this, andnow they're doing it, and I hope
(08:31):
that it sparks the reaction that they'rehoping that it will. But at the
same time, I know that theDemocrats are being a little bit you know,
cynical about this and that they couldhave prevented it from from happening.
So I just I don't know howto feel. I want to feel good
in the sense that maybe this isthe step too far that the Republicans have
(08:52):
taken, but I don't know.I mean, are we still going to
remember this come November. Absolutely,I'm a woman, I have a vagina,
I have two daughters. Absolutely Ihave less rights than my mother.
(09:13):
And when they when they said,you know, make America great again,
I did. I thought nineteen fiftythree. I didn't think eighteen sixty four
I had. That was not onmy Bengo card. But I have been
screaming from like Cassandra about what theCouncil for National Policy was doing in the
(09:33):
nineteen fifth in the I'm sorry nineteeneighty five, going into setting up this
way in which they would have politiciansand elected officials, lobbyists all moving toward
a few craticizing America, creating aChristian national and they are starting with Roe
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v. Wade. Why because theyneed future workers? Why because they don't
like the idea that I don't knowI can get a no fault divorce just
because I want to. Yeah,And they have spoken out on that open
they've they've spoken out out how muchthey hate no fault divorce. And there
have been a whole series of Republicanswho've said, you know, we want
to overturn this, want we wantto change this, and they're not.
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They're not stopping an abortion. They'regoing way beyond that. It's contraception,
it is abortion, it's healthcare.And when they say that they make exceptions,
they don't, okay, because nobodycan qualify for the exceptions. We
have seen what their exceptions do.In Texas, there was a twenty one
year old woman who had who wasforced to give birth to a baby that
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had no head, and she didnot qualify for an exception. So they
don't care about the life of themother. They want to control. They
want to put women back into thekitchen. And we don't have the ability
to find angeley to leave, Wedon't have the ability economically to leave.
And I'm separating the two because womencouldn't get jobs, and if they did,
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it was a joke, and theywere sexually harassed and they were abused
at work, and then they wereabused by their husband and whether they were
pregnant or not. And I don'twant this. It's bad enough that my
daughters don't have the same rights thatI used to have that my mother's generation
fought so hard for. But nowthis is all this is all hands on
(11:30):
deck. Now. I understand whatyou're saying, but what Trump's party wants
to do. I am going togo into this. We're going into a
history lesson this week on Arizona.I have learned more about the state of
Arizona than I ever wanted to know. And none of it is good.
If you have a vagina, noneof it is good. Yeah. By
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the way, just as a historicalnote, and I'm sure you'll cover this,
eighteen sixty four is way before Arizonawas even a state nineteen twelve,
I know, fifty years later.Yeah, it's I mean like that they're
going they're basically I mean, correctme if I'm wrong. I know you're
studying this in process for your yourshow that you're putting together. But that's
(12:16):
that's basically like territorial law right fromeighteen sixty four, is that about rest?
They had a territorial governor who wasappointed by Abraham Lincoln. Yeah,
and he and twenty seven white dudes. That's important, made up a bunch
of rules. That's a sequel toTwelve Angry Men. It's twenty seven white
(12:37):
dudes, except this is eighteen sixtyfour, right right, yeah, sorry,
the prequel, right yeah, theprequel. It's like alien Prometheus or
whatever. These dudes decided that womencould consent to sex. I'm sorry,
(12:58):
girls could consent to sex at theage of ten, my youngest just thirteen.
I cannot imagine the head of theirlegislator, or what was to become
their legislator. Their speaker of thehouse was a pedophile who married and I'm
doing air quotes, guys, fivegirls and when I say girls, ages
(13:24):
from nine to fifteen. Yeah,and that guy made up rules like black
anyone but a white person cannot gointo court and testify against a white person.
Yeah. Yeah, And I knowthat they would be very happy to
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see all of those different facets ofthe landscape in the Arizona Territory brought back.
I mean, it's just one afteranother. They're bringing us back into
a past in which straight, whiteChristian men ruled without question and anyone else
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was just there. In one capacityor another to serve them. Absolutely.
Yeah, it's it's got nothing toIt doesn't have to do with with the
right to life. It's got todo with putting everyone aside from from that
small class, into a state ofservitude. That is what it's about,
(14:37):
and catering to their needs and cateringto their economic system which benefits just them.
And that's what all of this isabout. And we're talking about abortion
in Arizona, but but that's whatthe efforts in all these other states ultimately
are about. That's what the thethe child labor law being loosened in Arkansas
(15:03):
and other places. That that's thatthese are all converging on that same goal.
I mean, you you talk aboutI mean people like to talk about
the wild West and and you knowhow how great and wonderful, uh you
know that was, and how howwas it? How was a free time?
Well that was I mean that thatin essence was like our process of
(15:26):
settler colonialism as guided by you know, white men before women ever, you
know, had any any serious hopeof getting the right to vote, before
they could own you know, propertyin in in most situations, I mean,
(15:46):
and and that is the time thatthey want to bring us back to
it's it's it's it's not the worldwe live in, but it's the world
they have in their brains, andthey're trying to make it a reality.
And we've got to fight like demonsin order to make sure that they do
not win, because it's one worldvision against another, and we want the
(16:08):
we want the one that we livein, the one that works, the
one in which there is some semblanceof equanimity, and theirs is not that.
(16:29):
It is Project twenty five. Andwhen they say, you know,
when when DONNYE. Tuscoop says,pass it on to the States, he's
lying, Yeah, he has plansto have the Department of Health and Human
Services renamed something like the Department ofRecognition that embryos are children too, Yeah,
(16:52):
yeah, and getting rid of youknow, we have no problem funding
a man's in fact, nobody complainsabout that. Yeah, But if a
woman wants constraception, or if awoman wants an abortion or any kind of
other healthcare, that is a hugeproblem. Yeah. Yeah, it's I
(17:17):
mean, we we It's amazing thedegree to which like our our our government
and and the way in which thefar right wants to shape. It is
just predicated on you know, ultimately, you know, I'm a man and
I'm better. You know, I'mI'm a white guy and i'm better.
(17:37):
I'm a Christian and you're and you'renot. Like all all all these things
come down to these like dumb distinctionswhich create this this this this little elite
and that's and that's and it's it'sall about empowering them. It's just it.
You can take almost any issue,I think. So if if you
(18:00):
want a reason to vote for Biden, here's one. His administration announced yesterday
that with the ATF and the Departmentof Justice, they're closing the gun show
loophole. They're changing the rules.And so if you sell firearms for profit,
(18:25):
if you sell a gun for thepurpose of profiting off of that sale,
which means you will make money offof that sale, you have to
register to be a gun seller,and you have to run a background check.
And there's no more passing guns betweenfriends. There's no more at the
gun show, you know, proverbiallygetting a gun without a background check.
(18:48):
This if you sell a gun andthe purpose of it is that you make
money off of that sale, thenyou have to be registered and you have
to do a background check. Ilove this. I love this for us
because that means a lot of gunsthat don't belong in people's hands because they're
buying them this way, because theywouldn't be able to get it even with
(19:08):
the broken system we have. Now. This will take a lot of those
guns off the streets. I lovethis for us. Yeah, it's a
start, and we need to goalong way further, but it's a start.
And so is Joe Biden's canceled.He's canceled seven point four billion dollars
(19:29):
in student debt and you know there'sa lot more there, and a lot
of us have a lot more debththan that because it's such a gigantic scam
and such a gigantic shackle. AndI know he's tried to do more than
this before, and he's been stoppedby right wing states suing him. But
(19:51):
it's a start, and this issomething that he himself has accomplished. So
I got to give him credit forthat. Yeah, this is awesome because
because yes, what he's gone tothe lengths is go to the Department of
Education and say you can forgive theseunder certain parameters. How do we get
(20:11):
people to qualify for those parameters.He's also having the Department of Education rego
over all applications to make sure thatpayments were properly attributed, which may be
clerical errors which could lower people's whatthey owe. The safe program getting people
(20:32):
the ability to have their interest wipedout if it's more than what they owe
on their principle. And this isoutside, this is just this is what
your gut Look. A lot ofpeople have cynically gotten into the impression and
because of the dumbing down of publiceducation that government was created to tell you
what to do and to govern you. No, the federal government was created
(20:56):
to stop states from doing things thatwere unconstitutional and provide all states have to
follow certain rules if they won't followthe rules of decorum. And the legislator
was the Congress was created to handlewhat the people want in the House and
(21:18):
in the Congress the states and getthose two ideas to coalesce so we can
create bills that satisfy both. Andthen you have the Supreme Court, which
makes sure that everybody's following what's inthe Constitution. Now, I know all
of those systems are broken, butthat's why it was created. What Biden
is doing with the gun show loopholeand with student debt is what government was
(21:41):
intended to do. It was intendedto stop states from doing harm to their
citizens just because they can. Sonow when the Supreme Court, because you
know, frivolous lawsuits get through toour Supreme Court, Biden goes into the
government and says, how can westill accomplish this? Well, there's things
(22:03):
we could have done, but weweren't doing them because nobody thought of it
or nobody wanted to do it.Well, let's do it now. He's
been able to cancel billions of dollarsof debt and continuing, so please people.
I understand I am upset with himon a lot of fronts. But
if it's if it's if it can'tbe women's rights to just be human beings,
(22:25):
then maybe it's the fact that he'susing our government and his position in
it as it was intended. Justby example, this is what we should
look for in a president. Yeah, and Donald Trump and his forces of
darkness are making it very clear wherethey want to go. Project twenty twenty
(22:45):
five. You talked about so manytimes what Arizona is doing. You know,
I bet you know, back inthe day, you know, my
dad, back in the nineteen eighties, I will watch really old school stuff
as my dad's you know, abig, you know, right winger,
military guy, and we would watchold like World War Two documentaries, and
(23:07):
I remember seeing the ones that likeFrank Capra and others would produce on why
we fight, and I remember thelittle animations that they had where it would
show how Nazi Germany took over Europeand how the dark blot you know,
would spread across the map of Europe, you know, enveloping more and more.
(23:33):
And that's kind of what I see, unfortunately happening in the United States,
with you know, a state bystate, you know, just more
darkness enveloping the land. And wehave the ability to stop that. We
have an ability to to staunch thathemorrhage in November of this year, and
(23:56):
we have to do it. Wehave to to stop Trump. And that
is an absolutely critical thing to dobecause if we don't have a democracy to
work with, then we don't haveanything. But don't forget states rights.
So down ballot, who your governor, your lieutenant governor, your state legislators,
(24:18):
attorney general, especially, yes,you're superintendent of schools in your county,
in your district. All of thosepeople are voting for positions, and
it is important. It does affectyou. I don't care if you have
kids or not. You're going tobe dealing with those people when they turn
eighteen and start driving around and they'rein shops with you and they're serving you
(24:40):
or whatnot. You're going to bedealing with those people. You want to
make sure that they are properly educated. Yeah, I don't know. Makes
sense to me. You don't haveto well, get involved, but you
don't have to get involved with campaignsor anything. We all have busy lives.
But I have taught my kids whenwe vote, I take them with
me to the ballot box. Ihave that put it in there since they
(25:02):
were kids, because I want themto vote on every issue, whether it's
a question of whether something should beon the ballot. Like, hey,
guess what Florida abortion is on theballot. After your governor of white Clause
said okay, well no, we'llhave a six week band because a woman
should get her reproductive shit together.She should know if she's pregnant in six
(25:23):
weeks. Sir, we haven't evenstarted to figure out whether or not our
period is coming on time that month. Yeah, it's it's so important.
It's so critical to be active andengaged and to vote because this really could
be it. And I know thatin our respective program, Suzanne, you
(25:48):
and I tend towards the lighthearted,the funny, the amusing. And there
are so many lighthearted and funny andamusing things that we deal with. This
isn't one of them. This isabout like the future of our country,
how we're going to live, howour children are going to live, how
(26:08):
our grandchildren are going to live.And we can either choose to uh,
you know, be have a futureof darkness or have a future of light
and and it's it's very clear whatthat is this year. And and I
hope that people are listening. Andyou know, there are other times to
(26:29):
laugh and we will laugh, butright now I'm not feeling I'm not feeling
a whole bunch like doing it.Frankly, there's so much bad ship going
on. Well, go listen toLawrence O'donnald's epic takedown. It's on MSNBC
YouTube channel right now. That'll Andand by the way, Kevin McCarthy is
the gift that keeps on giving.But he said this week about Matt Gates
(26:55):
and the reason why he was housedis I missed that? Say, oh
I've got the clip. Okay,well, okay, So what you have
to do if you want to hearthat is you have to go on Sunday
and listen to this Week again withSuzanne Posele and you will get you will
get that clip. And are youwondering what it is? I'm wondering,
(27:15):
you know. I I've been I'vebeen busy. I've been a little checked
out for the last for the lastweek or two. So I'm going to
have to like figure this out myself. I'm going to be listening on Sunday
morning, and you need to betoo, every podcasting platform out there.
This week again Susanne Posel. Susanne, I, I know this has been
a serious and not the most likelighthearted interaction, but it is a very
(27:42):
critical one nevertheless, and we'll getthere will be other times for the funny
and that's totally okay. Thank youso much for being with us on Facebook
America. Thank you so much forhaving me. Thank you so much for
listening to the podcast today. Iwould love if you would take a link
(28:03):
to it, share it around onyour social media, introduce it to others.
We really appreciate when you do that. The program is produced, by
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