How Keto & Carnivore Can Transform Your Health and Spirit| With Casey Ruff From Boundless Body Radio

Episode Summary

In this inspiring episode of the Faithful Fitness Podcast, Coach Alex VanHouten sits down with Casey Ruff—longtime trainer, host of Boundless Body Radio, and outspoken advocate for low-carb, keto, and carnivore nutrition.

From his early days in the corporate gym world to building his own business during the chaos of 2020, Casey shares how a crisis pushed him to rethink health, career, and the way he serves clients. Casey opens up about his journey into ketogenic and carnivore eating, the science and case studies that convinced him, and the surprising mental health benefits—what he calls “carnivore zen.”

Together, Alex and Casey explore the deep connection between faith, discipline, and stewardship of the body, even when their traditions differ. This conversation goes beyond macros and reps. They discuss the “noob phase” of fitness, how to navigate the indoctrination of nutrition dogma, and the spiritual nature of helping others reclaim health.

From client success stories to reflections on resilience, this episode challenges you to consider not just what you eat or how you train—but why. Whether you’re curious about carnivore, looking for encouragement on your own health journey, or seeking to connect your physical stewardship with a deeper purpose, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

Main Discussion Themes:
-The origin story of Boundless Body Radio and building a business during --COVID-19
-Casey’s transition into keto and carnivore nutrition—and why it stuck
-The “carnivore zen” effect and the emerging field of metabolic psychiatry
-Why nutrition can feel like a belief system—and how to keep it client-focused
-The parallels between starting a podcast and starting a fitness journey
-The spiritual and relational depth of personal training and coaching
-Faith as a driver for perseverance and purposeful health

Timestamped Outline
00:00 – Lighthearted opening, podcast swap banter
01:18 – Episode trajectory and topics preview
03:07 – Casey’s background and the launch of Boundless Body Radio
05:39 – Leaving the corporate gym world during COVID
07:46 – Starting a business and committing to consistent podcasting
10:05 – The learning curve of podcasting and parallels to fitness growth
17:03 – Casey’s “noob phase” in keto and carnivore nutrition
20:57 – Discovering ketosis, client transformations, and mental health benefits
23:23 – First carnivore experiment and experiencing “carnivore zen”
25:42 – Metabolic psychiatry and reversing severe mental disorders
27:04 – Nutrition as “indoctrination” and why belief systems form around diet
31:36 – Human omnivory, nutrient density, and plant compound considerations
36:11 – The long-term proof of a nutritional approach (“you will know them by their fruits”)
38:34 – The real driver behind client coaching—agency and transformation
43:08 – Removing the body as an obstacle to living fully
45:09 – Spiritual depth in Casey’s work and ritual in coaching
49:18 – Why AI won’t replace personal coaching
50:48 – Guest resources and connecting with Casey
52:55 – Casey’s reflections on the Christian faith
55:19 – Closing encouragement and prayer

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast for my Dad. Coach
Alex Van Houghten helps you get stronger and mind, body,
and spirit. He believes that your body is a temple,
so taking good care of it is an actual worship.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I should know.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I live with him every week. He brings truth from
the Bible, two from science, and stories that will set
your heart on fire. May God bless you to become
everything He made you to be, just one percent better
every single day.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
What's up, guys. This is coach Alex Fan Houghton on
the Faithful Fitness Podcast. I'm super excited about our guest today.
I get to hang out with mister Casey Reff who incidentally,
he and I just had a podcast conversation on his
podcast Boundless Body Radio. You can check out we had
that last week. What's up, Casey? How you doing today?
Brother dude?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I am still flying high after our conversation. We spent
the first like five minutes just complimenting each other on
like how amazing each one of us were. So that
really pumped my tires for the week. And I'm still
flying high.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
So I actually really like that phrase pump my tires.
I'm not much of a cyclist myself, but I can
I can see that. I'm like, oh, my tires are
pumped up. I feel nice and light and airy and
nothing sticking to the road. I was like, Oh, I
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's quite the contrast of my hockey buddies who just
tear me to shreds. You've got to kind of balance
the two out. So, yeah, we pumped each other's tires
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's cool. Well, maybe at some point in this conversation
we get to pump each other's tires again, but we'll
make everybody wait for that, since you know, we gave
it to them at the very beginning of our last conversation. Dude,
thank you so much for joining me. We've got a
lot to discuss today. You come from the you've been
a personal trainer for over two decades at this point,
I think just just less, just less, just under just

(01:43):
under two decades, and I mean time's flying, like by
the time you might as well. But you also come
from a really niche camp with regard to nutrition, the
keto carnivore world, and I can't wait to talk about
that with you. And then also we have some things
to discuss from the faith and the mental health aspect
of things. So this is gonna be a great talk.

(02:04):
I sincerely appreciate you saying yes to it.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh absolutely, It's such an honor to be here with
you and hope whether the insights can help anybody out there.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I want to start by asking you about Boundless
Body Radio. So you and your wife Bethany, you guys
started that just before COVID. If I'm not terribly mistaken,
what like was the impetus for starting that podcast? I mean,
you and I podcasted together. Gosh, what was episode one
thirty nine of your show or something like that. We

(02:34):
were both taking podcast interviews from our closets because acoustically
it makes a lot of sense. But like you started that, then,
what was the impetus for starting it? And I think also,
why do you continue doing that? Because it's definitely a
discipline in the podcast space for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, So the
timing of everything was I was at a low carbohydrate
conference in Denver the week of what was at March twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth,
when the world was kind of shutting down and I
and my wife were both still working for the corporation
that you also worked for for a very long time.
We were still employed by them, but that was a
very very stressful weekend because you know, all the sports

(03:14):
leagues are shutting down, and was watching Denver shut down
in front of me. People were leaving this conference early,
and like we were really unsure about what was going
on with the gym. If you recall, my program was
all about standing next to somebody who was wearing a
mask and breathing concentrated respirations, like and you stand right
next to them. And so my program was one of

(03:35):
the first things to get shut down. So already like
in the first or second week in March, I can't
remember my program was done, and I didn't really you know,
we had our clients, and our clients are dropping off,
and so we were put on unemployment about a week
or so after the gym had closed down. And so yeah,
and every location of this corporation opened at different times,

(03:56):
and you know, Utah being kind of a red state,
we were on the leading edge of opening up up
and so it was I want to say, the first
week in May that the gym called and said, hey,
your jobs are available again. We're opening the gym, and
we're going to pay you twenty five bucks an hour
to clean equipment and to call your clients, and then
after five days you're going to be back on one
hundred percent commission. And that just was not a viable

(04:17):
option for us at the time, because, you know, people
were not working in the business complex around the gym anymore.
People's behaviors and habits had already changed quite a bit.
When were training people outside and in parks and on
screens on zoom, in pajamas and on trees and monkey bars, gosh,
ind this stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, yeah, that's and what I've built. I've built a
personal training business from scratch when nobody's worried about COVID
and it takes months. It takes months. So you're talking like, hey,
come in, we'll pay you hourly for a week and
then you know, hopefully your clients come back. And by
that time, even in Utah, I bet most people weren't
coming back to the gym and droves.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Dude, it was early May. I mean, people were doing
a lot of really stupid stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Really.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was basically like, don't gather in groups unless you
want to then go for it whatever. But yeah, no,
we'd like like getting a pulse of our clients. There
were many of our clients that were not willing to
come back. And again, a big portion of my pay
was running that other program, which was not going to
come back anytime soon either. So my wife and I
had a lot of walks around the neighborhood and a

(05:22):
lot of talks, and we decided that the best option
we had was to open up our own business. So
we opened the business first, you know, officially, I want
to say that was like June of twenty twenty. We
came up with a named Boundless Body, and that's when
we started our business. The podcast didn't come until after that.
It was October when we did our first one. And
I just I've learned so much through podcasting as you have,

(05:45):
and you know, I just knew that I wanted to
start one. I definitely had the imposter syndrome, being of
like I didn't know what I was going to say
that somebody else had already said in a way that
was way better than me anyway, And yeah, I pushed
it out and pushed it out. In our first episode,
we wanted to interview each other, and the morning of
the interview came and you know, we were on separate
walks and I text my wife, I'm like, look, I

(06:06):
need another week. Let me prepare for this another week.
And she's like, no, let's just do this, let's record.
But we did so yeah, and that was our first episode,
and it was it was just the timing of, you know,
how our business was building. Like you said, it can
take several months. We had the advantage already of continuing
to work with a lot of the people that we
were working with before at the gym. We had a
business built up, so that looked different afterwards, but I

(06:28):
did still have more free time, and I just kind
of settled into a cadence of doing an episode Monday, Wednesday,
and Friday. And four and a half years later, we
have not broken away from that cadence and so we
do three a week. And it's you asked, like why
we continue. I've never monetized the podcast. As you know,
podcasting is a lot of effort. It takes a lot
of time, and it's not cheap, like you have to

(06:48):
pay for things, you know, with the equipment, the hosting,
editing software, all that kind of stuff. And I've always
just been very grateful that the business has done well
enough that I can put that out in the world
for free. And of course course you know, I use
it as marketing, and I have a call to action
after every episode and say, like set up a preconsultation,
we could train you anywhere in the world, blah blah blah.
And I have gotten a lot of clients from that.

(07:08):
But it's just it's like the conversation we had last week,
as we talked about like there's something special about pushing
record on a conversation with somebody. You get to this
level of openness and honesty, and like the number of
little lessons and gems I've gotten over the years by
pushing record, it's really amazing. And again I know you

(07:30):
know exactly what that feels like. And yes, to be
able to listen to you, for example, give a sermon
through a podcast, I would not have had that opportunity
and that was super inspiring, dude, it was really good.
So yeah, we've been able to keep it going so
far and the business is doing really well, so that
was kind of the order of things.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Awesome, awesome, thank you for sharing that. And I think
podcasting is such a cool thing in that sense that
there's a Greek where logos means like consciousness, and so
when you say mono log that's one consciousness speaking, but
dialogue comes from da logos that means two lo Guy
logos is whatever two consciousness is coming together. And then

(08:07):
when I can be honestly myself and you can be
honestly yourself, then then something really cool happens that couldn't happen,
you know, by ourselves, which is why an honest conversation
with a person you admire and appreciate and have something
to learn from can just be so cool. It's it's funny.
I will I will walk. I will walk in this door.
In a second, I'm I'm in my garage gym slash

(08:29):
podcast studio. I'll walk through this door. My wife will say,
how is your conversation with Casey? And I will say,
it's the best podcast I've ever done, and she goes,
You always say that, because that's what's gonna happen, Because
because I always always finish these conversations just so grateful
for the opportunity to do them, and also having learned
something about somebody I appreciate and getting to share that

(08:51):
is just is just powerful. So I resonate deeply with that.
I do want to talk about podcasting in the in
the wider world as a trainer, because neither you nor I,
unless you, unless there's something I don't know about your background,
neither of us were like taught how to do multi
media production, like like sound quality, camera shots, editing, how

(09:16):
to put that out in the world. And it could
be argued that we still don't know what we're doing,
or at least I don't. But that that said, you
know what, what was the learning curve like from my
experience was listening to my first episode going like I
hate the sound of my voice? Why do I say?
Why do I say? Umso much?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
What is wrong with me? And and and after after
one hundred episodes, going you know, I'm kind of getting
out of my own way of the content and getting
out of my own way of a good interview. I'm
happy with that all the way to like, uh, that
was stupid. Let's say that a different way. You know
what was what was the learning curve like for you?

(09:59):
When you started Downless Body Radio?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Sure, you know, I maybe your experience was a little
bit different. Again with the company that we used to
be with, I was in an area where there was
only one of our one club in our entire like state.
Essentially you where you were working. You were working in
a place where, like all the regional people were, there
were multiple clubs. You could kind of move around. We

(10:22):
like my experience working for that company was like being
on an island. Like not many people knew this, but
when I found ketogenic and carnivore diets, I completely changed
how we did. Remember the sixty day challenges we would do.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yes, I went.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Out completely rogue throughway everything the company was telling me
to do and did a completely different program. They never
found out they they had no idea.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I tracked for that's like, yeah, Casey's Island.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Nothing and I tracked everything and we had amazing results.
We had like seven hundred and twenty pounds of fat
lost in the contest. Like like all the people that
I tracked over time, we gave them completely separate meal plans.
All that to say, like we learned that in that environment,
we learned to be very resourceful. We weren't given a
lot and we had a lot of expectations. So they

(11:10):
would say, hey, you got to run all these numbers,
put them in Excel. Well, how the hell do I
do that? Well, you got to figure it out. Go
to Excel and start learning, Yeah, exactly. University yep, yep.
You're going to do a slide show and you're going
to do a two hour presentation. Okay, well, how do
I do that and make it interesting and whatever? You
figure it out? So I think that was helpful again
when I kind of stumbled upon the world of nutrition

(11:32):
that I found, Like that was the last time I
ever listened to music in my car. So I think
listening to tons of different podcasts and understanding how people
do things a little bit differently.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Was really helpful.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Of course, you screw up.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I say, I'd like listen.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'd listen back to every episode that I do when
it comes out, and I'm constantly embarrassed by like, oh,
I cannot believe said this the wrong way. I am
saying too much. Which, by the way, for you listeners
right now, you say just as much as we do,
but you don't get recorded.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
We do.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
True story man.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Just as bad as we are.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
But yeah, like you, as you as you do something,
it's always you know, like you said, it's a yet mentality,
it's your you're learning and growing and learning how to,
you know, extract different things from your people. I try
to research so that I don't I don't want I
don't want to create the same episode that you've already
done on other shows, you know, fifty other times.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
I want to go a little bit deeper.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I want to discover something and find a new path
and make our show like a little bit different. So yeah,
I mean, you know, equipment, you improve, you watch a
few videos, you learn some things. I did a completely
separate podcast called the How to Make a Podcast Podcast.
It was literally just about like not only describing my
process or podcasting, but interviewing other podcasters to hear what

(12:53):
their process it's like. And I don't I don't do
that anymore in several years. But yeah, you just you know,
it's just like anything. It's just like fitness, nutritions, whatever.
It's not about it's not about like doing something perfectly
from the beginning. It's deciding to start taking that step
and just deciding I'm going to keep taking steps. I'm
going to get better, I'm going to refine, I'm going
to work on my bandwidth if that's an issue, audio quality, whatever,

(13:16):
like you just keep working on that and you'll improve.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Man. So I'm so glad you brought up fitness in
that vein, because in my head there was a connection
between that I'm not a podcaster, but I'm going to
learn and the everyday experience of an individual who decides
to take some sort of ownership in their health and fitness.
And there I'm not a crossfitter, but I'm going to

(13:40):
learn to lift, or I'm not a nutritionist, but I
am going to figure out how to feed myself better
than I have been. Right and in any of those endeavors.
I don't know if you play video games or not.
I like video games, and I don't get to play
them as much anymore because I'm like a dad and
a business owner and a husband. So it's a twenty
minutes that nine thirty on a Friday, you know I'm

(14:02):
gonna I'm gonna play so anyway. But but there's this
there's this thing in every video game that that the
gamers called the nube phase n oob the nube phase.
In other words, I don't know what I'm doing and
I'm terrible at it, and and it's not even fun
like it's it's not I'm playing this game, but it's
not even fun because I suck so bad and I'm

(14:24):
still learning the controls. I'm getting crushed by every person
who runs by, and you know, understands how to use
the sniper rifle or whatever. And and there is that.
It's been my experience. There is that in health and
fitness that that there's a nube phase. I'm gonna start
weight training, I'm gonna start doing cardiovascul work, I'm going
to start figuring out my nutrition. And it's not any

(14:44):
fun like, it's just a it's a time period of
sucking at the thing you're trying to change. It's the
new phase. So so I was curious about about you
with the carnivore diet. At some point you decided, hey,
this is this is working for me, This is good
for me. This for whatever reason. Anybody can can come

(15:07):
at me with their criticisms and stuff, but this this
has worked well for my household, starting to work well
for some of my clients. Can you describe for me
the time period that you made that shift in your
life and what, if any was the nube phase like
in Carnivore and Keto for you.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Absolutely, I can relate to the gaming thing. For sure.
With the Nube phase.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I am a gamer as well, but I play a
NES Nintendo NES the original. I still have one. Do
you remember when your friend would get one and you
didn't have it and invite you over to play Mario
one or whatever and he could play level after level
after level without it being your turn, and then you
would just like immediately die and I have to sit. Yes,

(15:52):
that's what I thought of, dude. I'm a really slow learner.
It took me a very long time, and there was
certain things on my journey that kind of I did
me there. We had a meeting at that company with
a coach back in twenty twelve that was saying that
he was getting endurance athletes really great results by feeding
them high amounts of that and reducing their carbohydrates, which

(16:13):
made no sense to me, but he was preventing professional
athletes from bonking, essentially running out of energy, and professional races,
you know, we had a few years later, I became
familiar with the work of Mina Teischels, who wrote a
book called The Big Bat Surprise that goes over the
history of why we are demonizing fat, why we think
saturated that is bad for us, red meat is bad
for us. Eventually I read the book and was, you know,

(16:35):
kind of kind of made aware that maybe fat and
so bad for us. But in twenty seventeen, I lost
my regional role and had to figure out what it
was going to do. And so I decided, since nutrition
was a topic of interest to me, I decided to
get my nutrition certification with a really prestigious company, and
I got reindoctrinated into the idea of like lots of

(16:56):
whole grains, lots of fruits and vegetables, lean proteins, a
little bit of healthy fat, and I would give that
out to people. In fact, they offered a software program
that I would pay for that ran daily weekly curriculums
for people would deliver a lesson for somebody. They would
have a bi weekly every two weeks kind of a
goal like eat more vegetables, eat the rainbow vegetables. Amazing,

(17:17):
really well done. There was a workout component to it.
I put hundreds and hundreds of people on that program
and literally two ever finished the entire curriculum, which ran
for one year. People just failed. They could not do
what we were recommending. Count your calories, track your foods,
eat different it just would not work. People couldn't do it,
or they would be shopping at the store way too

(17:39):
much and throw away tons of food at the end
of the week. And it was even down to like
some of the trainers, Like I knew some of the
trainers couldn't do it at least for the long term,
the standard device that we were giving people. And so
it came to be that I was doing one of
these weight loss contests and a guy, he was an employee.
He was kind of forced to do the contest. You
really didn't want to, but he had twenty twenty five
pounds to lose, and he was doing a consultation with

(18:01):
me and he described, you know, his diet. He was
basically like waiting up and waking up in the middle
of the night to eat cereal. And I just said, dude,
you don't have any like fat in your diet, Like,
let's get a little bit more fat in your diet.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Start eating protein.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
And he went away and came back in like three
days and said, dude, I've lost like three pounds in
three days. What is this keto stuff? I said, I
but that's cool. You can't lose three pounds in three days.
I know that something must be off, but he did.
And that was the first time i'd like really been introduced.
I'd seen the word kicked around, but I didn't know
exactly what it was.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
And you know, I.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Kind of got cornered into learning about this this state
of the body called ketosis. And the best way I
like to have it be described is it's like two hemispheres,
or two different ways of your body can run. And
one of my podcast guests describes the one way the
body can run as glucosis, kind of the coin that
he termed that when your body's running on carbohydrates, it

(18:53):
runs in a certain way and energy is delivered inside
of this body a certain way. Describes that almost like
an emergency system that I'd run sometimes but not all
the time. And you have this other hemisphere that's called ketosis,
which is just your body breaking down fat and producing
a molecule called ketones that can be quite useful in
the body. It's a water soluble energy source. It's usable
by the brain, it's preferred by the heart. And I

(19:17):
just started learning about it, and I just I found
this whole new world of like the frustration of giving
people advice that was standard and it just wouldn't work
for hardly anybody. And then all of a sudden, I'm
giving people like the opposite advice and it's working amazingly. Yeah,
and it's like, Okay, your goal was to lose twenty pounds,
but your mental clarity is better and your digestion is

(19:39):
way better. You're not bloated anymore, like what is going on?
And so it just completely changed my career as far
as you know, being able to deliver workable results. We
started doing those contests again when I was giving them
different meal plans and telling people like, look, I don't
even care which of these meals you choose, like a
taco bowl or a pizza that you make at home
with a meat trust, but odd make it eat as

(20:00):
much as you like. And all the people that ever
signed up for the contests, they had different goals like
maybe they wanted to gain weight or lose weight, or
some did yoga, some did running, And we had such
a big cohort of people that we tracked got amazing
results that that's just what I decided to do. I
really got kind of cornered into it, like I said,
and people in the club started like making fun of

(20:21):
me a little bit. They could started calling me Keto Casey, which.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, which I.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Really didn't like. I mean, our our registered dietitian eventually
became my direct boss and he wasn't into that, and
so that kind of added a layer of conflict. But
one of my other managers was like, dude, you should
just own this and just know more about this one
thing than other people. You can just specialize in this,
so so I did. I don't think it's the best
site for everybody, and what people can do whatever they like.

(20:48):
That's just what I focus on. And then in the
low carb space, if you're there for long enough, you
start to hear about this subset of really crazy people
who are eating not low car but they already no carb,
like this idea that like they're not eating any fiber,
they're not eating vegetables. You're like, well, that's that's insane,
Like what is that. That's the stupidest thing I've ever

(21:08):
heard of. The first time I heard about it was
a Joe Rogan podcast, I literally just turned off the
podcast halfway through because I was like, that, that's the
stupidest thing I've ever read. Yeah, that's so dumb, And
you know, you learn about it and you start to
hear about it. And it was April of twenty nineteen.
I was like, well, I'm gonna just try this for
thirty days and see what happened. Maybe I'll never poop again,
maybe I'll die have a heart attack.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And you know, I was already you know, fairly low
carbon keto myself to begin with and notice those benefits,
and by dropping out the rest of the plant matter
that I had on my diet, the biggest thing, dude,
I got to say. It was like ten twelve days in.
A woman had been working with me to get started.
She put down all her money and paid for a
bunch of personal training sessions. I'd done the free consultation,
I'd done all the scheduling. You know how much work

(21:52):
that is, and you're not paid yet. Now she comes
in and she says, I want to refund, give me
all my money back, and that would have like ruined
my week. And I just looked at her and said like, yeah, okay,
I just felt this form and we'll get you that refund.
If there's ever anything you need in the future, like,
let me know, got glass help you find where you're
looking for and you're just like reflecting on that, like
later in the daily what happened? Why did I have

(22:14):
that reaction? And I realized, Like it's hard to describe,
but and carnivores we all we all know it and
we talk about it. It's called what we call like
carnivores en where your anxiety or stress or depression, your
mental state just improved. Yeah, everything just kind of calms down.
Like you lose your keys. Oh okay, well I could

(22:36):
look over there or have got a spare key. You
just like that would have been a disaster.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
But we're in a key.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Were my keys?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
I can't find my keys? You're just like find him?
I forgot this?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
What's this broke? Okay, well we'll just fix it. We'll
deal with it. Like everything just really relaxed. And now
there's this whole emerging field that we call metabolic psychiatry.
And it's not like Keto for fun. It's not like
Keto for lose fifteen pounds for a wedding and you
know you eat bacon and butter.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's metabox psychiatry is an emerging field of people fixing serious,
severe mental disorders. With diet and with ketones, and the
research is incredible, the books are incredible, that the case
studies are just amazing, and the level of healing that's
happening for you know, what I would consider for me

(23:27):
like run of the mill anxiety, low level depression, kind
of just going away a little bit too. I've got
friends who and people I've talked to on my podcasts
that have literally reversed Alzheimer's disease, They've reversed bipolar, they
no longer have epilepsy. Just the stories are absolutely insane.
So yeah, it's an exciting field to be a part of,

(23:47):
and it's just it's really cool to think what's possible
when you're on what I would consider a really basic
kind of standard human diet, the diet that we've evolved
with for so long. The number of things that starts
to resolve is is pretty good. So now it's been
you know, six and a half years, I've been carnivore.
I don't have an intention of going off. I'm not

(24:07):
walk to it or anything, and I don't yell at
vegans or anything like that. I just for the people
that want to learn about this to whatever level they
want to learn. I'm here to like help guide them
and give them ideas.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't stop killing broccoli, save the kale.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I will say anecdotally, I have no science to back
me up on this, but I will say anecdotally, I've
never gotten in a nutrition fight with a carnivore. But
the vegans, for whatever reason, are are out for blood
man killing the animals. But they'll kill you if.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
The personal attacks are brutal. Like I've tried to engage
in conversation like, oh, this sucks your podcast great, Like
what didn't you like about it? You're stupid, everybody, you're
you're the worst, Like, first of all, you're right, the
second of all, that has nothing to do with the podcast.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And if you're a particularly peaceful vegan out there, please
drop your peaceful vegan comments in the in the YouTube
channel so you can represent the vegans well. But you
use the word I love this. You use the word
indoctrination earlier, and that's that's kind of like a pseudo
religious term like that that there's what you didn't say.

(25:20):
You were indoctrinated in a Keto kroniv where you were
talking about going to get your nutrition certification and kind
of re indoctrinated into certain practices. And this is I
think this is paramountally important. I think about the psychology
of nutrition a lot and what we're finding from a
from a biodiversity perspective when we've we've mapped the entire
human genome, and what we understand is is that there

(25:43):
are some genetic alleles that seem to do very well
with a more plant based diet. It's a very small
percentage of the population, but when they find that pathway
for themselves, they are overjoyed. I've lost weight, all my metrics,
feel better. Awesome, great, And then we we what we
look at on the other side of the spectrum is
that far more than a small percentage of the population

(26:06):
both need and thrive on high nutrient density, high high fat,
good quality protein animal products. They just do. And and
you know, human beings we don't got we don't got
all the sharp teeth necessarily of a of the saber
tooth tiger. But but we're really good at hunting, and

(26:27):
we're really good at cooking. And even with the fire.
You know, there's no there's no other species out there
cooking stuff on a fire, and so we've been able
to tap into something from a from a biological perspective
that most species can't, which is the ability to have
an omnivorous diet, but to prefer the really nutrient dense

(26:49):
things that help our system. And when when you look
at the genetics, I mean, the genes don't lie there.
There are very few people who are good at making
things like omega three fatty acids from flaxeed, but most
of us need a lot of fish in order to
get our omega three fatty acids in our diet to
help a brain in our body. And so there's I'm

(27:12):
not going to argue the philosophy here, but I do
think it's very interesting that when somebody stumbles upon nutrition
that works for them, that it becomes almost a religious
experience in the sense that, oh, this is how I'm
supposed to feel. And then, however, your tom tom drum
goes that everybody should join my new religion, and you know,

(27:36):
the market, the market often will will promote that because
there's a lot of money in that. There's a lot
of money in operationalizing some sort of diet that not
that I mean, we're not even doing that right now,
but if somebody wanted to start trying a lower carbohydrate
diet or start increasing the amount of high quality animal

(27:56):
products in their life compared to the highly processed guard
garbage they've been eating and feel better. That doesn't cost
any money at all, Like, it doesn't cost any money
to try that. So it's very very interesting that that
word in doctrination is interesting to me because nutrition can
become an almost religious enterprise for individuals. Do you do

(28:16):
you see that in your work sometimes?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Absolutely, yeah. You have to be very careful about that
kind of thing. Of course, you know, get into this
world and I just want to shout it from the
rooftops and the number of people that you know, check
my grocery card at Costco and I shown the receipt
and I say, hey, no plants were harmed in the
in the shopping trip. Like dude, they don't want to
hear it, like I got like cool the jets and
remember that you know, we're again we're we're here to

(28:41):
help people long if they're curious about the journey. We're
not here to convert anybody. I'll describe it like I
you know, it's akin to me working at the Ford store.
If you like Fords. You should come and see me
because I know a lot about Fordes. I can tell
you a thing that's true about a car. But if
you want a Chevy, I'm not also yelling at people
dry being Chevy's like, oh you guys suck, You're the worst.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Like I just work at the Ford store because I
like boards.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
And yeah, there's an idea whether you want to, you know,
believe it or not, that like every every kind of
animals out there has an animal specific diet. A turtle
eats turtle things and a dog eats dog things, and
they're they're just different. They just are Like if you
fed turtle things to a dog, they become very sick.

(29:26):
You mentioned two really important things. We're really good at
hunting and that we you know, we we we work together. Essentially,
Hunting is an activity that can be done in a group.
And you look at a human and like, there's nothing
really that special about us. We don't have those sharp teeth.
We made tools. We slammed a rock against another rock

(29:46):
and just by that one act hour two three million
years ago created something so sharp that we then didn't
need sharp things. We didn't need sharp teeth. We had
a tool, and our brains were growing because our diet
was changing. You wonder like, why is it that, Why
is it that our closest relatives can hang in trees

(30:07):
far longer than we can, but they can't throw. We
can throw like three, four or five times better than them,
which would be very helpful if you were a hunting species, exactly,
And our hunting had to get more and more sophisticated
over time. And yes, the other thing is we learned
how to how to provide ourselves calories from outside of
our body through fire, through cooking, and that was just

(30:29):
such a huge game changer. And now you look at
again this very weak, kind of not too special species
that you know, went to the moon and live in Antarctica,
and we have the Olympics that have like all these
so crazy diverse events that people can be really good at.
We can do all kinds of different things, and so
those things make us a little bit more special. And yeah,

(30:50):
there is some variance in our omnivoy We are omnivores,
and it's actually true that a lot of animals are
also omnivores, but it's a specialization. It's not a fifty
to fifty split for most of them. It's like eighty
percent this and twenty percent this. And I'll challenge anybody
like you live in a very kind of green, lush
area of the world. I live in Salt Lake City.

(31:11):
It's a desert, but it's still very very green, and
it's a growing season. You take vacations sometimes, and when
you go to vacations, where do you go. You go
to Mexico, you go to tropical places, you go to
very warm, nice climates. Walk around, just go on a
walk anywhere that looks natural and see the crazy diversity
of all the different plants around us, all the different

(31:32):
things that are growing. How many of those can you eat?
Where are you going to find food? There's just not
spontaneous food growing everywhere. And it's just kind of this
idea that like, plants do have a different way of
protecting themselves for their own reasons, and there are things
that come in certain plants that can build up and
can cause problems in people. And so a carnivore, somebody

(31:57):
who adapts a carnivore diet, maybe they've had some freeing
with digestion or skin issues, maybe they've had joint issues,
maybe that came from oxalates or pytates or lectins, all
these things that can come in plants, and they just say,
you know what, I know that the animal products have
all of the nutrition I need in the most nutrient
dense way and nothing that I don't. And regardless of

(32:18):
how strict they want to be, Like I like, the
definition of a carnivor is like a hyper carnivor in
nature is that specialization. They eat about seventy to seventy
five of their calories from animal products. That's my favorite
definition of carnivore. So that when somebody posts a carnivore
picture of you know, mostly burger patties and half an avocado,
I don't have to freak out or go, oh the
avocado that's that.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Didn't come from an animal?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Like really, no kidding, but yeah, that's kind of kind
of our belief. And that my concern about people that
are pushing part into a plant based diet, again we're
given depending on how strict they go, is there's a
honeymoon period for several years where somebody's going to feel better,
but there's certain vitamins and minerals that they you just

(33:02):
cannot get from plants in an absorbable way B twelve. Uh,
you mentioned dha epa from fish fish oil creating brattening.
There's just so many of that you can go through
that is going to be tough. And you wonder why
so many people try like a like an only plant diet,
like a vegan diet, and they have to drop off
at some point because it just can't keep going so.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Absolutely, And I mean, it's what's interesting is is you
you mentioned, Hey, there's a honeymoon period. That's true of
any diet period. Like like if you placebo is a
real thing, you can believe that something's helping you, you
can do it and you could lose some weight, you
could drop some some water, and the mechanism might be
different depending on what you're actually doing. Right, But the

(33:44):
proof is in the putting in the long term. Right,
The proof is in the putting in the long term.
If you if you make some changes and they're actually
good for you, then there's no reason those changes should
be any different five years from now. None. But if
something was was yeah, kind of beneficial for a brief

(34:06):
period of time, but not forever, then those things won't
stick around. Jesus said it this way because everybody was curious, like, hey,
how do we know who to trust because everybody's saying
everything about the end of the world right now. And
he said, you will know them by their fruits, because
a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad
tree brings forth bad fruit. In other words, if you
watch somebody's life versus their teaching, like how are their

(34:32):
kids doing? What's their business? Like does the rest of
the community appreciate them as an individual or are they
just spouting a bunch of nonsense up on the top
of the stairs, right, which is which kind of brings
me back to the joke about vegans being warlike, because
it's like, hey, if you're gonna attack me for my nutrition,
I feel like that's a bad fruit. I feel like
I feel like you're a little uptight. You can calm

(34:53):
down a little and and I want to get off
the nutrition horse for just a second and talk about
the animating impetus for personal training and coaching, because you
and I share that neither of us are PhDs in
an ivory tower. No offense to you with PhDs in
an ivory tower, but neither we are the boots on
the ground people who are actually helping real people who

(35:14):
come to us with real problems and say, I'd like
to see this change in my life. What do I do?
And then what's really cool about our businesses? And if
your business doesn't operate this way, please correct me. If
somebody is not actually seeing progress, they stop paying me.
My business hinges on whether or not what I'm giving

(35:36):
somebody to change actually changes. And in my business, I
have a very high retention business. Most of my clients
stick around for eight months or longer because we're seeing change,
We're making progress. And it turns out that as you
start to make some progress, you want to see more progress,
and that it's healthy and good. This wasn't a fad,

(35:56):
This isn't a thing that you could only maintain for
two weeks. You know, this is something that's actually changing
your life in a positive direction. And so many of
my clients stick around for quite a while. And I
want to talk about that animating impetus because for me,
I truly don't care what people eat. I truly don't
I want them to feel better and to make the

(36:16):
most out of the body they've been given. So I
often say I want you to learn to feed yourself
well whatever that means you and your very special fingerprint
cornucopia of genetics and your likes and your environment and
your micropone. What I don't care. What I care about
is that on a day to day basis, you're getting better,
you're getting stronger, you're getting healthier, you're feeding your nervous

(36:39):
system well, you have all the nutrients that you need,
your metabolism's improving. And if that's slightly different from how
I think I need to be eating, great, even better,
if it's completely opposite, whatever, But I would like to
talk about the animating impetus because I'm driven from a
nutrition perspective by the light that I see in my

(37:00):
client size. When things get better, when endometriosis clears up,
When when fat's finally lost that's been hanging on for
a long time, When when brain fog is no longer cloudy,
when cholesterol levels change without having to get rid of
eggs by the way, When when when those things shift
that makes me excited and excited to see agency return

(37:23):
to somebody's life when they say, you know what, I
do have some control over this. I and I have
clarity about how to feed myself well. And I don't
have to think about and struggle with food all the
time anymore. What is your animating impetus behind nutrition for
your clients?

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Man?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I love the question. And just for the record, the
plant based person would interpret the scripture you cited and say,
see Jesus says we should be eating lots of fruit,
So there I can't argue with that. That's what he said.
So it makes sense, dude, It's it's just the best.
I don't know, Like we get asked all the time, like,

(38:00):
how are you going to upscale your business? Yeah, like,
of course we want to grow our business. It just
means we're providing more value to more people. But I
don't know, I just really love that aspect and I
like the way that you said it, Like it's so
engaging and fun to like help somebody along and I'm
not actually doing that much, but just you know how

(38:20):
it is as a coach, you think you think somebody's
hiring you for you to then tell them exactly what
to do and what to eat. Like, do you know
how many hours and hours and hours I've wasted meat
making meal plans for somebody when like literally not one
of those meal plans was probably ever made ever, like, yeah,
here's what you're supposed to eat Monday, but I want pizza,

(38:40):
So I'm eating pizza. Like that's just how it goes
if people want to do that. But like, this experience
happened to me twice today with two separate clients where
it was striking the way they said. It was very
similar to two of them. They don't know each other,
but they said like, I'm you know, I've been watching
my protein. I've been cutting down my eating window and
doing you know a little bit intermittent fasting. My closer
fit better, and I finally feel like I'm not in

(39:02):
a hurry. Like both of these people independently said, like
I realize I'm on the path, and I feel good
being on the path. Like I want to lose weight
and that's going to happen, but what I'm actually noticing
is like food freedom. I'm not snacking anymore, I'm not
angry anymore. Like I can go and till eleven or
noon and not be snapping at my kids, and like

(39:26):
my joints feel better. And they're like, yeah, so the
weight loss is happening and will happen, and that's great,
but it's it's shifted from not being their primary goal,
and they're feeling so motivated, each one of them to
continue on their path. For one of them, it's you know,
they do count their calories and try to stand on
a certain amount of calories, but they focus on high protein.
The other person we talked last week, what kind of

(39:47):
goal should they make? I didn't give them a goal.
I gave them suggestions, and she chose that she was
going to try to do whatever eating window and focus
on protein as well, and she's been very successful. So
just to hear like, wow, I feel like I'm doing this.
I'm going in the right direction. It's not just that
I'm looking better. I do have a weight loss goal,
but it's more like I feel better. That's it's just

(40:10):
man like. It's better than money for a personal trainer
to hear something like that. It just makes it so
easy to bounce out of bed every day and find
people to help and offer value to.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Like you said, mm hmmmmm, yes, yes, I For me,
this actually became a spiritual thing because what I noticed
was when somebody came to me and their body was
causing them problems. Whatever the problem is, right, I'm wrestling
with heart disease or I've got an extra one hundred

(40:40):
and fifty pounds on me or whatever. What was interesting
is I noticed that the goal was for their body
to cease to be an impediment or an obstacle anymore.
What for whatever reason? But the question was like what
to what like? What why why lose one hundred and
fifty pounds? Why do that? Like, oh, to look better

(41:02):
and feel better, blah blah blah, okay, so that you
can what like, what's the what's the trajectory, what's the thing?
And I thought about how how that's you know, for
me wrestling with eelers dan los, wrestling with ulcertive colitis,
and and trying to figure out a way through that
that that genetic issue. Really, I wasn't interested in having
six pack aps. I wasn't interested in being able to

(41:24):
run a marathon under two hours or whatever, which I
can't by the way, I got the six pack, but
I can't run the marathon in under two hours. I
haven't got that's ninja. But but the uh, what I
really wanted was for my body not to be an
impediment to showing up well, for my kids being able
to jump on the trampoline and wrestle with them, and

(41:45):
and and to to you know, for me set an
example as a man for my children what it looks
like to be a man, to be strong, to be prepared,
to take good care of yourself, to manage your I
would say to carry my cross. Well, that would be
the religious aspect. And and and so what I what
I noticed and when I started speaking in my practice,
is I I want to help you remove your body

(42:09):
as an obstacle to the things you want to do
with your life, and and think of your body as
an asset. If we can, if we can build our
body into something that enables us to do the things
that we want to do, to do the things we've
been put here to do, to do the things that
bring us joy and peace and and a sense of purpose.
That that for me, that became a very very spiritual thing.

(42:31):
And I know that you and I differ in our
faith tradition, but but I'm curious for you, has this
has this reached down into you that deeply that this
is part of of something that that you are, You're
part of something bigger than yourself here? What how how
deep does this go for you?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You couldn't have said that better. It is something I
would consider deeply spiritual for sure. I would say a
very big component of that was changing my diet. Keto
was a good step, but going carnivore, I can say
that my spirituality increased. I've taken up meditation practices multiple
times in my life. I did it once or twice,

(43:13):
not on the diet, and once on the diet, and
maybe I was in a better place, or I was older,
more experienced whatever I'd done it before. But I would
strongly contend that my level of gratitude in spirituality is
much higher when I eat what I know are the
right foods for me, recognizing that they can't where they
came from, what life was taken to have them. The

(43:33):
nourishment that I get from them just makes my brain
and my spirit feel so much better. I get that
anecdote all the time for people that end up trying
this diet, So that's.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
A big part of it. And yes, I.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Take what I do very seriously. I'm ritualistic in the
things that are very important to me. So before I
do a podcast, I do the same thing every time.
When I go to the hockey rink. I put my
equipment on exactly the same way. It's a little superstitious.
Uh what is Michael Scott said, I'm not superstitious. I'm
just normal stitious.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yes, that's a great office quote.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I I you know, I warm up the exact same
way before I go to work. I put on the
same clothes every time, I wear the same thing, and
I do the same thing every time before I see
my clients. And to me, it's a spiritual thing to
be able to get to connect with somebody. And again,
this is another one that just came up today where
like my client was asking me, like, are you stressed out?
I'm like, no, I just change your program. I'm really

(44:32):
like watching you, you know, do these things. I want
to make sure you know you've had Laura back pain
and we're taking steps to get.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Off of that. I'm just really watching. I'm not stressed.
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
And she's like, yeah, I just I know you. I
know your face. And I'm like, isn't it weird how
much time you and I end up spending together in
a very intimate setting in your basement, like an hour
a week for a lot of weeks. How many of
your friends do you spend an hour with directly one
on one, let alone people that want to do multiple

(45:01):
days and they've done it for years. Like you said,
I'm really good at retaining my people. If people start
with me, they're likely to continue because I'm really focused
on creating a high amount of value for them and
trying to customize everything the best I can for them
on that day. And like you are with these people,
you laugh with them, you cry with them, you go

(45:21):
through life together with them, and it's like, man, they
become you have intimate relationships with them. And I take
that very very seriously, and so yeah, I'm glad you
brought that up, but yes, I would argue strongly that
it's a very spiritual thing.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I've found that to be the case. And there's
also an element of sacrifice in there too. You know,
my clients don't know unless like we've been working together
for a long time and they just observe it. But
my clients don't know if I'm having a bad day
because I've come to this session to serve them. I've
come to this session to make it the best that

(45:58):
I know how to make it. And you know it's
I do the same thing in parenting with my own children.
You know, I spend a lot of time with my boys,
and they might not know Daddy's stressed about this thing.
They might not know that daddy's knee hurts. They might
not know that Daddy has a headache or whatever. We're
going to do this thing full tilt, and as they
as they grow and mature, I can share those things

(46:18):
with them. But the same thing happens with a client.
My client doesn't know I've done three of these sessions
and I've been sweating like a pig in Arkansas, so
like I've physically spent but you won't know because we're
going to crush this together and have a good time,
and then I'm going to go get some eggs and
take a nap, like, because that's what's going to happen
after this session to recover. But I take that so seriously,

(46:41):
and there is a I would say that a big
element of that is why personal training and coaching in
that sense it's not going to be replaced anytime soon.
There's a whole idea in this whole spectrum of fitness
that AI is going to take over and write the

(47:04):
perfect programs and the meal plans and stuff and it's
so interesting to me. It's like, I mean, I get it.
It's great tool. You know, sometimes people just need information,
but oftentimes I believe what people need is the encouragement
and support of somebody who believes in them. And AI
can't do that, like it just can't you know, chat
GPT can't rah raw you and to get in your

(47:24):
squats done. It just doesn't appoint it well. At the
same time, talking about the stress of your workplace. So
that said, you know, I'm grateful for what you do.
I'm grateful for the work that you started with Boundless
Body Radio, and also grateful for the niche that you
found in nutrition that works for you, but also that
you get to coach people through. My question is how

(47:47):
can listeners of this podcast or viewers on YouTube, how
can they get connected to your work in a way
that if they want to dive in more about what
you had to say or connect to some of your
products and services online. How can they do that?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Thank you, Alex. It's always meaningful to chat with you,
and I really appreciate this conversation and I appreciate the
level of care and depth that you go to and
when asking questions, and it was a real honor to
be here. The easiest place is just to go to
my balancebody dot com. That's our website. We try to
make it as easy as possible where you can find
all our social media. You can find a podcast there.

(48:21):
Last summer I did a series of nutrition seminars in
my neighborhood at a park. I have everything there for that,
the videos, there's curriculum, there's meal plans, there's all that stuff.
You can access all that for free. But the very
first thing that you can see on the website is
a book now button. Anybody can click on that and
set up a complimentary thirty minute session from wherever we

(48:42):
are in the world. It will all sync to your
schedule and your time zone, so we make that very
very easy. So yeah, feel free to follow us on
all those other channels and YouTube and all that, but
you can find that on the website, which again my
boundlessbody dot com.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Awesome, awesome, Thank you for that so much. As we're
wrapping up here, I always pray over individual who come
into my podcasts so that God would bless their work
and the difference that they're making in the world. But
I do have one final question for you that i'd
like to throw in there, and I know we're coming
up on time, so it doesn't have to be super
in depth, but I'm curious when I've got flies. Oh sorry,

(49:18):
almost got them. But when I talk about faith, there
is one of three reactions. The first reaction is somebody
who is of the same faith and is like, oh, okay,
you're in my camp. I'm a Christian, I understand, which
is arguable whether or not we all understand what that
actually means, by the way, but there's that one reaction.

(49:40):
The second reaction is something along the lines of I
think Christians are stupid and strange and so well, obviously
you can't hold this belief structure and also be an
educated individual worth understanding and getting to know, and so
that's unfortunate. But that reaction exists. And then the third is,
I don't know if I understand or agree with everything

(50:02):
you believe, but I am open to still being a
human with you. And so you're number three in my book.
If I'm wrong, let me know. But your number three
in my book in the sense that I'm so grateful
that we get to have these conversations, even if we
don't necessarily agree on everything. I was curious from your perspective,

(50:23):
is there anything that you find in the Christian faith
that you are like, that's cool. I'm really glad that exists,
and I'm grateful that that's how it works in the world.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Yes, one hundred percent. Yes.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I was brought up into Mormon faith, very Christian faith.
I did it to your mission in Brazil where for
two years all I did was teach people about the Bible.
Obviously the Mormons believe also in the Book of Mormon
and other books and different things, but the core tenants
of Christianity are something that is still very much a
part of my day to day to day and faith

(50:59):
is a huge thing in my life. Like when we
face challenges, which we all do, like, yeah, to believe
that this is for a reason, this this is going
to be, you know, becomes something better. There's there's a
Mormons have an every six months the church leaders get
together and like have talks and you know, sermons and

(51:22):
that kind of thing. And there's one that stands out
to me. I believe the scripture is Hebrews nine to eleven,
something about believing in a high priest, an high priest
of good things to come and one of the apostles,
the leader, talks about a story where he leaves a
town with his little family. They have to move, they've
got no money. His car breaks down. He has to

(51:43):
walk back to the next town, and a guy drives
them all back to the town. They try to take
a look at the car and you know, try to
fix it up. They drive back out of town and
almost like within ten feet of the last place, the
car blew up. That blows up again, and he walks
back to town. He's either he finds the same dude
that gives another ride. He's like, either either you or
somebody that looks like you as having not a lot

(52:04):
of luck with cars right now. And anyway, it's you know,
forty fifty years later and he's driving by the same
spot and visiting relatives or whatever. And he drives by
and he describes like in his mind, I seeing that
young father with no money and just you know, like
just just slope the weight of the world on his shoulder,
and he just like, in his head, I'll probably get

(52:27):
a little emotional, But in his head he says to
his younger self, like, don't you quit, don't you stop.
There is so much more happiness to come. Like I'm
sitting in my car, my wife's asleep. That's a safe
car that gets me from point A to point B.
I had a good career like and he just says, trust,
trust in the High Priest of good things to come.
And so I think about that. I read that story

(52:50):
a lot, and I just I think having faith is
just such an important thing for all of us to do.
So Yes, there's so much to the Christian faith and
a lot of other faiths that I find really inspiring
and try to make them a part of my life.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Thank you for that. I appreciate you sharing that. And
I think, I think at the very core of this
health and fitness coaching and training thing, it is a
practice of faith when I can look at somebody and
see who they could be in the next couple of
years if we jointly did things right by them and
put in the work and discipline the process and guided

(53:27):
the path and made changes as we need to along
the way. And so from from medio, I'm grateful that
you operate in faith in that way because it's it's
needed and necessary and at the same time, the fruit
of that we don't always get to see, so if
you would. On that note, I'd like to pray over
you and boundless body and close us out here sounds great, Father, God,

(53:50):
thank you so much for this day, thank you for
the opportunity to spend time with Casey, and thank you
for the way that you brought us together years ago
in a sense that was encouraging to both of us
and continues to be so. God. I pray for his
enterprise and boundless body and his wife Bethany. God, I
pray that you will reveal yourself to them in a
way that only they could understand. I also pray that

(54:11):
you'll bless the work of their hands when they work
with individuals, and that you'll animate them with genuine love,
genuine gratitude, and genuine peace to help people find the
truth about how to feed themselves. Well, God, I also
pray that you bless this podcast that it'll land on
the ears that need to hear it to find freedom
and truth in their own nutrition practice. We love you,

(54:31):
Lord in Jesus' name. Amen, Well, brother, thank you so much,
and you listeners. You guys know what I'm about to say. Guys,
this has been coach Alex VN Houghton on the Faithful
Fitness podcast. Until next time, Train hard, but pray harder.

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