The Body Teaches the Soul: Justin Whitmel Earley on Habits, Holiness, and Stewardship

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast for My Dad. Coach
Alex van Houghten helps you get stronger in mind, body,
and spirit. He believes that your body is a temple,
so taking good care of it is an actual worship.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I should know.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I live with them. Every week, he brings truth from
the Bible too of some science and stories that will
set your heart on fire. May God bless you to
become everything He made you to be, just one percent
better every single day.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey there, Coach Alex van Houghten. Here Faithful Fitness Podcast.
Our mission is to help you to make the most
out of the body God's given you. And let's face it,
we don't exactly drift into health and holiness. We drift
into chaos, which is why our daily habits matter so much.
Kind of like these Barbelle rule outs, they take practice,

(00:53):
rhythm and consistency. And in today's episode, we get to
catch up with Justin witt Mill early awesome guy. I
love his ministry. We're gonna be talking about his new book,
The Body Teaches the Soul. And in this book there
are some amazing, amazing habits that help will help you

(01:13):
to be more like Christ. Sorry, I'm getting out of
breath before we dive into this episode, though, you need
to check the show notes for my new devotional, Faithful
Fitness at faithfulfitnessdevo dot com. It's your forty day scriptural
foundation to putting more faith in your fitness. One more.

(01:35):
Here we go, here we go. So without further ado,
let's dive into it. What's up, guys, This is coach
Alex vann Holden on the Faithful Fitness Podcast. I'm super
excited to spend time with you today. Our mission is
to help you make the most out of the body
God's given you, and I know this conversation today is
going to help you with that. I have author, speaker, lawyer, dad, husband,

(02:01):
Justin Whitmill early on our podcast today, justin what's up, brother,
how you doing this morning?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm doing so good, Alex. I am loving being on
an interview with the bench press in the backgrounds right.
You know, it's heading up my alle even though the
bench press actually.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, this intersection of faith and fitness is near and
dearer to both of our hearts. And your book coming
out in just a month from now, is well, it's
it's going to bring these two things together in a
way that that everybody can understand why we're so jazzed about.
So that's wait to talk about it. But before we do,
something super important we got to talk about, and that
is I've got my dad fuel cup right here.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Let's go. I got my up here.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I've heard that the flask is your new favorite coffee maker.
Can you fill us in what's so good about that?
Because we dads, especially we dads of boys, know we
dads need the caffeine.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
You read some coffee. Wow, so many parts that I'd
love to answer here first of all, and actually know
you were going to talk about this, but it happens
to be sitting on my desk because I just pressed it.
So here's the flask.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
So the flask is fun for many reasons. One, so
I'm a corporate lawyer, Like this is my job. I'm
sitting at my law firm desk. I was reviewing a
contract the minute before I got on this call, and
one of my clients actually said like, Hey, we have
this new product we need you to help us work on,
and I was like, this looks amazing. So what it
is is basically a French press meets a chemex meets

(03:30):
an aerow press, and so if you're in the coffee word,
you know what these things are. Like you're actually you're
filling up an AeroPress style tube in here, but you're
doing it with coarse ground coffee that goes through a
filter like a French press, but then it ends up
in this nice glass like I wish you could see it,
fol so like it feels like.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I can picture it. It's got to check right outside.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Like as you push down, the coffee fills up. So
it's like pleasing aesthetics, like the chemes. But I'm totally sold,
so I make I go by the mode of life
is too short to drink bad coffee. I really respect
my friends who are like give me waffle house or
give me, like, you know, a fine cup of like
Ethiopian pour over. I'll take anything. I respect that. I

(04:10):
kind of wish I was like that because it would
saved me a lot of money in time. But I
just I love making really good coffee and this is
one of my favorite ways to do it.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh dude, I love that. That makes me so happy.
So there was a I mean, you know this your
father four boys, So like there was a time where
I was so sleep deprived that like, I just like
the only the only reprieve that I had in the
morning was my my cup of coffee. And you're right,
it's like bad toilet paper. Like you don't buy bad
toilet paper, you spend the extra two dollars and you
get the two ply man. So spend the spend the

(04:42):
two bucks.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
And every day I was like, that's where you want
to spend your money, that's where you want to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's right. Well thanks for that. I'm gonna have to
give that a shot because because I love coffee as
as well and as a dad, you know, that's That's
one of those small things I get up in the
morning and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm a Bible
and I'm a cup of coffee before I open any
emails or mess with anything. And that's that's what I'm
gonna do. And and God and I really enjoy good

(05:08):
coffee together.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Amen. I mean, he made it. This is this is
touching on so many things that I write about in
the Body Teaches the Soul, which we'll get to. I'm
not trying to jump the gun here, but the idea
of that, like trying to get good sleep, waking up
appreciating the gifts of God. My morning has been for
a long time scripture before phone, which sometimes mean I

(05:30):
just don't get on my phone and don't do anything
until on the way of the office and I open
like an audio Bible app But usually now in this
phase of life, it means a cup of coffee with
the Bible, like it was this morning, and it is
one of the highlights of my day because like enjoying
the word of God next to the goodness of God
and coffee next to the quiet of a morning which

(05:50):
we know as Dad's is like is rare, Like this
is not going to be all the time, no, And
it's just such a high point of my life, and
it makes it makes me like appreciate that that body
soul interaction of like this is great coffee to drink
and these are the words of truth to meditate on
and chew on.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Let's go, yes, yes, let's go, and and on that note. Man,
that's that is I believe that is the same spirit
that animates both the book that that you're publishing that
I can't wait to talk through, and then we're publishing
a devotional the idea being that that the church has
gotten away from the body. Yes, and ceded that that

(06:28):
seeded C E D E D. I know you're a lawyer,
but not everybody. Here's the word the way I'm saying
it ceded that that territory to the enemy in our world.
And so it's it's so timely before before we jump
on that topic, though I do, I do have to
say this, and I'm going to say it on air.
I said it pre show. But I want to say
thank you very much for your work. One one of
your book's habits of the household is is well it's

(06:53):
it was a godsend in our household. I don't know
if you know Richard Foster. He was a writer in
the fifties. He wrote Celebration of Discipline and I loved
that book. It was such a deep book. You know,
Hippocrates said everybody wants a cure until the prescription is
discipline and reading good.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I've heard that it's good man.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
You take that one to the bank's he's he's been
gone for a while, so he won't mind. But yeah.
But in the nineteen fifties, Richard Foster, a Quaker, wrote
a book called celebration of discipline, and he was he
dove into the long lost spiritual disciplines of things like
fasting and meditation on scripture, and in the book is
so scriptural that it's mostly scripture and a little bit

(07:35):
of Richard Foster talking, yes, which is great. But what
I found trying to lead people through that it was
it was too dense. It was not practical enough for
the phase of parenting and in the season of life
that individuals were in, or at least not in our
church community. And so when I read your book, Habits
of the Househole, you published in twenty twenty one, when
I read this, I think I read it in a

(07:56):
I think I read it shortly after you published it
because I was looking for for work on discipline that
would translate directly and just such an intensely practical So
your writing style is so graceful, it's so so filled
with love. I could tell the Holy Spirit was with
you while you were managing the chaos of parenting for
young boys. Man. And and we've led we actually we

(08:19):
actually bought I think we I think we have like
forty copies of this in our side table, because every
time somebody in our church has a child who already
has children or like here, read.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
This, read this book a gift. I'm so honored to
hear that I had no idea, Alex. I mean I
was scribbling on parenting ideas in spring of twenty twenty.
You may remember that time. I was sitting there in
March like trying to write this book, and there was
spiritual warfare going on big time because I kept thinking,

(08:49):
what do I know about parenting. I've got like four
like from newborn to six year old young boys. Our
house is totally chaotic, a mess. By the way, I
should be focusing on my law firm because the role
is going crazy. I should really be trying to like
protect the revenue and clients I have. And I was
writing about parenting every morning before I started my law work,
and I just remember thinking what am I doing? Why
am I doing this? But I felt that like deep

(09:12):
sense of like call I like just scribble what you're experiencing.
And to hear you know, four years later, it's sitting
on the table at your church. For every family who
has you know, their second child is just like an
incredible ode to His goodness and graciousness.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Amen and the Holy spirit does that right, Like, like
you have your work, you have the thing that your occupation,
the thing that you're doing, that that obviously you've been
called to. Obviously God's giving you opportunity to pursue that
education and a take care of people and whatnot. But
then you also have that little, that little thing, that little,
the still small voice that's like, hey, you need you
need to write this down, Like you need to write

(09:48):
this down. It might just be for you, might just
be for your kids, but it's probably not.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, it turns out it's not. So if there's
a message for anybody listening, it's just share what you're
going through. Honestly, these people need to hear your honest struggles.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's where we meet each other and become a community.
And as it turns out, that's what people want to
read too.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right. And I gotta say, Shep, I don't know him,
but he is my spirit animal.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
He is he is as many people's spirit animal. Yeah, yes,
he's a wild dude turns seven. He turned seven last week?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Are you serious? I Mean it's so weird because I
don't I don't know your kids, but I read about
and this was like a snapshot of your life to
such a gift, I'm sure to to your family, But
a snapshot of your life when he was very little?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
What you wrote this like I wrote it when he
was I mean very much in diapers, maybe just you know,
one to three years old across that span.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So yeah, yep, no, man, Shep embodies toddlerhood. So thanks
for that, dude.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
He is such a such a gift. But also that
we call him the tail of the whip because we
had three boys and then found out we're pregnant with
a fourth and we were just like pleading with God
to give us a sweet, calm, quiet girl and we
got Shep who whip. Like he's the most Yes, he's
the most boy boy, he's the most being punctious. He's
the most I'm gonna get what's mine, like I will

(11:09):
fight you on it.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh man, it's got to be youngest of youngest of
four boys. Like he's got a he's got a you know,
grab it and growl as they say.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
That is. Yeah, he's got what it takes. He's got
what it takes to survive. That is, like, I'm not
worried about him. In some ways, I'm very worried about him.
In otherwise I'm not worried.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'm sure sure, well, if he ever hears this, keep
it up, ship.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I feel.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well transitioning then from from that work. And obviously I'm
going to put a link in the show notes. I
think every parent, especially parents who have young kids at
their house and they're and they're trying to bring the
Gospel to life in the everyday muck and meyer of parenting.
It doesn't have to be mucky and myrie. It is,
but it doesn't have to be you can you can

(11:51):
bring Christ to life in the smallest things, even from
waking up to kneeling at your bed and prayer to
to rich. They're not rituals. What did you call them?
It's a special word. Uh not a catechism, oh little.
I call it the habits, little liturgies, liturgies, thank you, liturgy,
special liturgies. That it's these are these are things you

(12:12):
can do every day. As we were talking about with
the coffee, you know, don't drink bad coffee. Drink good
coffee if you can, if you have a.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Liturgy to that goodness. That's right, Ye, that's right.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
We're gonna eat, so when we eat let's make sure
we we we do it habitually in a way that
brings the Gospel to life for kids. Such a powerful book.
I'm gonna put the link in the show notes, I hope,
but I hope everybody picks that up. And if if
you're in my community and your listeners, come find me,
I've got a copy for you. I think you need
to read it. So uh, but I do want to

(12:41):
transition to your your book coming up, because this is uh.
I'm excited to read it. Honestly, given your your writing
style and stuff, it just speaks really well to me.
It helps me as a dad speak well to things,
and so as a as a professional who works in
the space where faith and fitness intersect. I'm looking forward
to have having more of your language on that front.

(13:02):
And I think that's important that that you know, it's
a united front in the Christian space. What so so,
it's it's called the Body teaches the Soul.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Body teaches the soul.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Why did you write this book? What?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
What was the what was.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
The compelling still small voice in your heart and mind
that led you to this.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
There are a lot of answers. So if you ran
this question back three times I would have like three
different I think, good, true and holy spirit filled promptings,
but I'll give you I'll give you one that was
very connected to Habits of the Household. In fact, there
was a chapter in Habits of the Household on exercise
that the editor cut and said, you know, this is

(13:46):
just not ready and like just not fully formed. And
they were right, what they were right, because it was
it wasn't. As it turns out that it was its
own book became the seed of you know, this this
book the Body. But here's what was happening. The month
that Shepherd was born, I walked into a CrossFit gym

(14:09):
for the first time. Okay, so Shepherd is now seven.
And the reason I walked into it was because I
had just finished four years at a really tough boot camp,
high flying what we call big law firm. So I
spent the first four years in my lawyering just in

(14:30):
a very intense environment, working all the time. You know,
And this is I have a separate story of sort
of mental health collapse in that environment because there's so
many bad habits. I allude to it in Habits of
the Household, but I tell it, I tell it in
depth in the body teachers the soul. So I'm coming
out of some really bad health and mental health space.
And I was starting my own law practice, and I

(14:50):
remember thinking, if I'm starting my own law practice, I
want to try to involve moving my body because I miss,
you know, physical activity. I feel like something's not right
in my head my body. And I'm sitting at a
coffee shop one day, like this is probably a couple
months into starting my own practice, and I hear all
this banging next door, like I'm trying to have coffee

(15:13):
and work, and I hear just like clang and bang,
and there's like a garage next door. So I'm like, literally,
what are they doing? And I walk out and there's
no one in the garage. I'm like, oh, I guess
it's not the mechanics. And then I keep hearing it
and I look and there's this little door and it's
called Shocko Bottom CrossFit, and I look inside and this
dude who has like honestly the body of a Greek god,

(15:33):
and it's like he's like the only one in there,
and he's just lifting up I now know it's clean
and jerks. He's lifting up these weights and like putting
them above his head and I knock interrupt his workout,
and he comes to the door all sweaty, basically like,
is there a class I can come to that would
get me to this?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
And he was like, you know, come come tomorrow at
noon if you're free at this time. We do a
noon class every day. And so I for or mixed motives.
I mean, I'm mostly joking about the I realized, like,
this guy do has different genes than me. But I
was like, I need to get moving, and so I
start going to this class every day, and a couple
things happened. Alex One. I realized that everything that I've

(16:13):
been writing about in habits and formation in community are
on display in fitness, Like all the habit theory of
how your brain works and how you sort of get
in the groove of something, all the way that you
overestimate how much you can change in a day or
a week, but underestimate how much you can in months

(16:33):
and years. Yes, all the ways that you need community
to stick to it were actually just like I literally
just published a book about this. It was my first
book on habits and formation, called The Common Rule. And
I remember looking around the gym class, and this is
not specific to CrossFit necessarily. This is just about fitness,
particularly group fitness. And I was like, Oh, they're putting

(16:54):
to practice all this stuff that I'm thinking about. So
my mind was starting to click. But then I had
a really significant moment a couple weeks later. So wanting
to exercise is common to almost all humanity. Doing it,
as it turns out, is like pretty hard. Like you
get tired and you get hot and sweaty and pain
and like you're like, ah, this is I don't like this.

(17:14):
And so I would go through these classes and CrossFit,
you know, you have like a weightlifting section and then
you have like a workout of the day sprint section,
and I would just get tired, right and I would
just be like this hurts. I'm tired. I would take
a break, and I remember people looking at me funny.
But I didn't really know the culture. I didn't really
know like the whole point was to like not stop,
you know, for like eight to twelve minutes. So I'd

(17:35):
just like take a bathroom break or take a water break.
And one day a couple weeks in, I'm doing some
exercise where I'm like, you know, actually it was clean
and jerks. It was like picking up the bar lifting
out over your head. And I remember like, I'm like, WHOA,
Like I hit the wall. I'm just tired. So I
get up to got like take a water break, and
my instructure comes over. His name is Ryan. He was

(17:58):
the one that I saw originally with a shirt off
lifting and he's like, hey, just pick it up one
more time. And I was like, I can't. I've hit
the wall. He's like, just pick it up, and I'm like, okay,
and so I did one more rep and he goes, great,
pick it up. I did one more rep. He just
looks at me pick it up, and I'm like, I
look up at the clock. There's like eight minutes left,

(18:18):
and I'm like, oh my gosh, he's going to stay here,
like he's not leaving. And I remember collapsing on the
ground at the end of that workout in exhaustion, yes,
but also a deep satisfaction. And this thought was going
through my head that Okay, the wall I thought was
the wall was not the wall, right, which is a
fitness realization in and of itself. But next morning, I

(18:41):
am helping my son at his high chair. I remember
he knocks his sippy cup off the table. I go
down to get it for him. I put it back
like my legs are so sore from the day before.
I'm like, oh leg day, yeah exactly. And then I
go to get like his breakfast or something, and just
being the toddler, he is like, you know, he slaps
the cup back off onto the floor, and I remember

(19:04):
like turning around and having this flash of anger, which
happens often to me and parenting, and I was just
like I'm done, like I'm it was that feeling. I mean,
any parent knows this feeling. It's like I'm done with
my patience. This is too much, I'm too tired, like
I'm about to snap at a toddler for being a toddler.
And then I heard in my head pick it up,

(19:27):
pick it up, and yeah, it wasn't you know, Ryan,
my coach was nowhere near. This was the Holy Spirit
being like, you're you think you're at the end of
your patients, But I've got more patience, I've got more grace.
And I remember picking it up, putting it back, smiling
at him. And that was the day where for some
reason the Lord was like, what I have to teach

(19:48):
you through the body and fitness and what I have
to teach you and your soul and spirit and holiness
are not as different as you think, and I'm going
to use one to teach you the other. Ever since
that day, and it's been like seven years since then,
I have thought of the gym as a spiritual gymnasium
where the undergrimary thing that's happening is I'm learning how

(20:10):
to push through discipline for health and holiness it and
they feed each other. And this has been now a
seven year exploration of realizing that the Lord is doing
much more work than health. He's working on all of me.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well said, well, so thank you for that story. That's
so it resonates so deeply with you know. For me,
I come from the opposite perspective in that fitness was
always a part of my life, but I didn't realize
that it was a spiritual practice. I didn't realize it
it was something I was consistently a part of. It
was athletic, and I helped people. I brought them through

(20:47):
the process of you know, whether you can't walk and
you're in mid sixties and we're recovering from surgery, or
if I'm training a you know, a fifteen year old
football athlete how to jump higher and run faster. You know,
I was. I was familiar with the process and the
science and the nutrition. I was familiar with that, and
I was leading people through that. But I didn't realize

(21:09):
that it was spiritual work until until just just some
years ago. And you just described it so well. How
that how that goes.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
To what made you realize it?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
It was a big piece of it was that in
my in my journey and my testimony and story. Uh,
there was there was the first time that I wrestled
with my own health and fitness. I had always run,
I always eat well. I've always had a six pack.
You know, That's the just been my life and and
I love weight training. Martial arts was a huge part
of working through childhood trauma for me. So so like

(21:42):
I've always embodied this process of discipline and UH and
healing and adaptation. I've always embodied this process. But when
my first son was born, that was I wasn't ready
for fatherhood. I didn't grow up with a dad. I
didn't know what that looked like. It was like a
ton of bricks hit me in the face. He went
to Nick you for like, you know, two weeks and

(22:04):
so what I'm like working and sleep deprived and and
uh so the first time in my life I am
I am relying on bourbon and pop tarts to make
me feel good. And and so suddenly I have like.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
It sounds like a really unholy combination. I in, you know,
also the pop tarts. But still I call.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
It the bourbon and brownies diet. But you know, it's
the it, and it's it's not it wasn't good for me.
Obviously I'm not espousing that, but but I I caught
a reflection of myself in the mirror of my car
stopping at a gas station actually right about this, in
a faithful fitness I caught a reflection of myself and
I felt the Holy Spirit say, is this the dad
you want to be? And and for me it was

(22:48):
like no, Like like I've I've worked my whole life,
like being athletic and helping people do this, and and
and now I have a son and I get to
show him how to be a man, and they're like
what am I doing? And so so I spent some
time and energy researching. Uh there's actually a whole a
whole plethora of research about the biological basis for Dadbod,

(23:11):
the increase of prolactin the decrease of testosterone, and kind
of helped me explain for the first time what I
was wrestling with and and and so I started a
podcast actually called Defining dad Bod. That that helped me
start articulating to fathers that that we have this awesome
responsibility as dads to bring the spirit of the Father

(23:33):
and to bring physical fitness and leaving a legacy of
health and fitness for our kids. We have that awesome
responsibility and awesome opportunity, and and that I was failing it.
So I wanted to fix that. So and so that
that was that was for me. That was a big
piece of my realization. And since then God has taught
me a lot from a scriptural perspective about how Scripture

(23:53):
comes to life in the daily practice of exercise and nutrition.
So so that's that's where it came out for me.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's so good. I'm so grateful for you and so
grateful the Lord worked that in your life. There's so
much to be explored here, and I'm so glad you're
doing it because I feel like I'm just diving in.
But I'm diving in because of how much the Lord
has just been pointing this arrow in my life. Like
I write about things that I am, that I write

(24:20):
about the places where God is working on me. And
that's why happens as the household came out because God
was working on me through being a parent. And then
I suddenly realized this whole thing by the way we
came to being Dad's by way of our bodies. Like
that's you know, so much of this life is about
the body. In fact, it all is because God never

(24:41):
made any part of us to be just spiritual or
just physical. It's always integrated and it has been probably
the key thing that he's been doing in my discipleship
in the past five years.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Hey man, well, I'm so glad you spent the time
to write it. I can't wait to read it as
a as a father, you know, I wrestle with a
genetic just called Eelers Dan Los and and if I
don't exercise on a regular basis, my my joints won't
allow me to do normal things like like pick up
my children and put them in a car seat and

(25:12):
that sort of thing. And so when you when you
joked and have it to the household. I don't. I
don't think it was a joke. Obviously, it's real life
for a dad. But you said, Justin Whittman Early loves
to wrestle with his four boys, and so I have two.
So I'm not getting ganged up on as much as
you are. It sounds like, but but I have two.
Double man that that youngest of mine has a mean

(25:34):
left hook. He's left handed. Man, pow, he'll get you. So.
But but for me, with with the generic disorder, I
wrestle with getting to wrestle and not have like ridiculous
pain in my neck and not my my joints popping
out of place and stuff it. For me, the the
physical practice of keeping myself in good shape was obviously

(25:55):
related to one of my most important spiritual tasks, which
is be a bother to my boys and teach them
manhood and rough and tumble them and show them how
to be embodied and and to just just exist with them,
you know. And so for me it was like like
this is so obvious for me, but it was really

(26:16):
hard for me to start articulating that to other individuals
and show them how God made their body to teach
them spiritual things too. And in the church, and I'd
love to talk to you about this. In the church,
I often hear it's not quite heresy, but we're real close.
We're real close to the heresy of gnosticism, where where

(26:38):
we'll preach about spiritual things. But we've got donuts in
the lobby. And it's a joke how out of shape
we all are, Like, don't I don't actually mean like
a like a metaphorical joke, Like there's jokes from the
pulpit about how we all know we should exercise, but
we're not right, and it's like, hmm, I feel like
we're missing something. And so I wanted to ask you

(27:00):
about this because because I see it in the world,
especially post COVID, especially with the proliferation of things like
I don't know, boys being girls and girls being boys
and stuff. There's this deep opportunity in in the body
of Christ today to reclaim some territory of the body
that the enemy has been playing all kinds of games

(27:23):
with in our world today. And and it's it's an
it's a powerful opportunity for the testimony of God's goodness,
the testimony of God's grace and love and healing for
for us to take the body seriously and to stop
acting like it's some sort of thing separate from the
spirit that will be rid of someday when we when

(27:44):
we get to go to heaven. Uh So, so I
want to ask you about that because your book is
obviously coming in in the same same timeframe that that
the Holy Spirit laid this on my heart to write about.
And so I wanted to ask you when you when
you pray about your book and when you pray about
its reception and hopefully the fruit in the world of

(28:05):
helping people see that the body teaches the soul, what
are some things that you're praying through that you hope
this addresses in the world at large.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
My great hope is that by paying more spiritual attention
to the body, people will live more into lives of
love for other people and for God. It's actually very simple.
There's a lot of complexity into theologically why have we
gotten so astray here? And practically how do you do this?

(28:40):
But my hope is not complicated. And I believe fundamentally
we're made to be lovers of God and neighbor, and
so any endeavor in our life is and must be
geared towards that end. And so I would actually, I'll
work backwards here because you just shared Alex super interesting

(29:01):
part about your life, which I think makes you extreme
but not unusual, which is that you know, if you
don't move and exercise, right, then you're not going to
be able to do the ordinary things that make up
a life of love for ad Right, you've got an
extreme version of it, but it puts on display what
is true for everyone, and that is that living a

(29:22):
life of love of God and neighbor, as it turns out,
requires and is implied, that you have a certain respect
for the temple of the Holy Spirit that you've been
given called our bodies. And when I think we've read
honor your body or your body is a temple maybe
within some limited terms of sexual sin, to which they

(29:44):
are true for sure, but they're just not the whole
story of what God is doing through our bodies. So
when I think about, why do I have a chapter
on exercise in this book, and by the way, it's
actually it's only one chapter on exercise in the book.
The rest of the chapters are breathing, thinking, eating, sleeping, sickness,
then exercise, sex, technology, worship, and death, death and resurrection.

(30:08):
So those are the So I'm looking at all these
different areas of the body. But let's just take exercise, eating,
or sleeping, for example. All of these things are so
fraught with either ignoring them, like I'm not gonna pay
attention to what I eat, I'm not going to exercise,
I'm going to disregard my need for sleep. And there's
all kinds of versions of it, or where a culture
is fraught with idolizing them, where it's like I must

(30:30):
get this, you know, sleep routine right, or I must
eat this way, or I feel horrible about myself, or
I must exercise like and all of it, you know
that can be geared towards vanity and body image and
really healthy ways. And we just swinging, we, you know,
oscillate between these pendulum far ends of ignoring the body
or idolizing it. And what I want to say is

(30:52):
that God didn't make us live that way. What He
made us for is to image Him and that means
to put love on display. If you ask you what
is the image of God means? I think it means
lots of things, but one of the things it means
is that we are to show what God is like.
God is invisible, he's spirit, right, but we are this

(31:15):
wild and crazy but beautiful union of spirit and body.
I mean, this is really and this is the core
theology of the book. So I said, you know, practice
and theology, the core theology is is just looking at
what Genesis plainly tells us that God created Adam out
of dust, that's matter. Then he breathed into him the
spirit of life. This is Genesis two seven, and the

(31:36):
Bible says when those two things came together, a living
soul was born. And so this idea of a soul,
that we are souls is I used to think of
that as like sort of the invisible spiritual center of me,
but now I think of it, oh, as that's the
whole of me. Like I am a soul, like more
than I have a soul, it I just am one.
And that means to be embodied and to be a
spiritual body, and that God always meant these things to

(31:57):
join together. So when we ignore the body, we're committing
a spiritual heresy that says, oh that what God made
and called good is actually not important. But when we
idolize it we're creating another spiritual heresy, which is to
say that the body is all there is, you know,
and you're just matter. But no, there's a spiritual, invisible

(32:17):
and yet real and powerful realm to it. And we
should never tear apart what God joins to get together.
Like literally, when spirit leaves body, we know what that's called.
It's called death. Okay, that's that's what happens when spirit
and body are disconnected. We should think of that theologically.
Any theology that separates body and spirit is a theology
of death. It's going to be to bad results. And

(32:39):
so we've got to uphold this idea that we are
made to live in bodies and that that means something
for how we live, for how we eat, for how
we sleep, for how we exercise. But I'll just wind
that all down by saying, don't think that just means fitness, longevity, health, vanity, No, no, no,
those are often minus the their byproducts of living a

(33:03):
life that honors got in your body. But the main
point is to love. It's like, what how do you eat?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
How do you need to eat?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Sets that you are alert to have a quiet time,
since that you are alert to do your work it's
that you are patient enough to love your children. I
don't know about you, but like you know, if I'm
eating horribly, I snap at my children way more. And
you can take this far. You know, some people are
getting sick, they're dying early. You know, there's there's a
ton we can't control, but we should be stewards of
what we can control. And so that's like the general

(33:31):
thesis of the of the whole book right there.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well said, it's so crazy. So this is the first
time we've ever gotten to talk. I know I've read
your work, but this first time we've ever gotten to talk.
And what what the Holy Spirit revealed to me is
what I call my book the sin Spectrum of fitness.
On one side, we have we have gluttony, and we
have sloth. This is like neglect. This is I'm eating garbage.

(33:53):
I know it's not good for me. I've made a
god out of food or sloth. I've made a god
out of comfortability. I don't I won't push myself, I
won't get uncomfortable. I don't like it. Right, That's that's
that side. And on the other side is envy and vanity.
These are this is this is the pride side of fitness,
and and those are the seven part of the seven

(34:15):
deadly Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I was like, hey, these are I recognize these things?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah yeah, And and most people do. Although there are
category categorizations of things that are biblical, the Bible doesn't
actually talk about seven deadly sins. But but but the
question in fitness is how do I take vanity and envy?
How do I take glut nancel? How I take those
things out of fitness? And in the middle road, the
narrow way, if you will, is stewardship. I say, hey,

(34:38):
God gave me this body. I don't know how long
I'm going to be responsible for making this thing function well,
but I'm going to steward it well. I'm going to
make the most out of the body he's given me.
And maybe he didn't give me the genes to look
like a Greek god every time I do uh, you know,
clean and jerks or whatever, But but he did give
me the responsibility to make the most out of this

(34:59):
thing I've been given. And that includes as you said,
and I like that you outline the chapters there, the rest,
the nutrition, the exercise, there's there's a whole whole spectrum
of things that we steward, whether we know it or not,
that that affect the way the body functions, and the
body does teach the soul. The body does teach the soul.

(35:22):
When i'm I'll give you an example, when I'm in
a position where my mind is cloudy because bourbon and
brownies or or have I have doom scrolled on my
phone for an hour and a half instead of going
to bed right, So now my sleep is disrupted. So

(35:44):
I've eatn away that I'm cloudy minded, my stomach hurts,
I'm not I don't have the energy I need. Maybe
I'm not recovering. That's the thing about sleep. Sleep recovers us.
The magic of workouts happen in your sleep. Your mind
and your body restore themselves. That's how God made it.
So if my sleep is garbage, my food is garbage,
and I wake up this morning and my child has well,

(36:10):
they've woken up before me and made a mess of something,
because that happens, and how I respond is directly related
to how I feel. It's directly related. And you can
talk about mindset and intentionality and being spirit filled and
all that all you want, but your body can easily
become an impediment to being a vessel of God's goodness

(36:34):
and love in your own household. And that's not even
mentioning your community. It's not even mentioning your work. It's
not even mentioning your relationship with your spouse. And so
there's this very very deep union. We don't get to
separate the two. There's this deep union between how we
steward our body and how we get to live out

(36:55):
the calling in our life. And it's apparent to me,
it sounds apparent to you. I can't wait for it
be articulated in written form. For those who are like
I still don't quite get how clean and dirks are
a spiritual exercise.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Well, I mean we live in a Gnostic age. We
live in a Gnostic age for sure, so this stuff
is not going to be as clear to us as
it should be, which is why I wanted to write
about it, because a lot of the feedback I got
from Habits of the Household was, you know, it's so
helpful when you break things down into categories and just

(37:29):
make it simple and practical, And that is like entirely
what this book is. It's just looking at the simple,
practical stuff but this theological category alex I think honestly,
is so helpful to people. So for example, let me
just give one point of clarity that I think a
listener might be wondering right now, because one of the
things that we're talking about is like, as it turns out,
I'm more patient, you know, I'm more loving, I'm more

(37:52):
gracious when I steward my body well. And somebody's going
to ask, so, wait, are the fruits of the spirit
the fruit of the spirit it? Or are they fruit
of like a good night's sleep or treating your body well? Right?
And they want and they want to draw a separation. Right,
they want to say, well, which which is it? And
I want to say, you don't. You don't have to
do that. You don't have to do that. What you

(38:13):
need to know is that your health and your holiness
are always grace based miracles period, okay, which also means
they are calls to the steward. And what I mean
by that is so you might say, is it the
work of the spirit of my life or is it
the work of a good night's sleep that helps me

(38:34):
be a good parent in the morning? And I would
say the Bible actually blurs those lines for you, because
it doesn't it think about do not get drunk online,
but be filled with the Holy Spirit. The Bible acknowledges
that when you dishonor your body and the way that
it was made by ignoring its God given limitations. And

(38:57):
this can be sleep like you're made to rest a feature,
not a flaw. It's made to show you that you're
not God. God does not slumbern or sleepy watches every Israel.
The psalms say so things like you can eat too much,
like we can over extend, or we can drink too much,
or we can sleep too little are signs of pride
or bucking our limitations in the world. And those have

(39:20):
spiritual consequences. They guess they suppress the work of the
Holy Spirit, or they call forth the work of the
Holy Spirit. And does that mean it's up to us
or it's not grace space or it's legalistics Of course not.
And actually your body is the best metaphor for this,
Like I think about this all the time now, Alex.
We can we can guarden a plot of land, and

(39:42):
we can be really good stewards of it. But not
a single person in the history of the human race
has ever made a leaf grow like we just we
literally it's a miracle. We can do the tilling work,
we can steward the land, but only God does the
miracle of growth. And likewise, you can eat all the
right things, you can lay down to try to sleep,

(40:03):
and you can break your body down through exercise, but
only God gives sleep, like only God gives rest. Only
He can nourish and knit yourselves back together. There's a
miracle going on your body all the time, called healing
that you can only put yourself in the position to receive.
You actually can't control it. And so both in our
spiritual and physical life, we see this beautiful balance of

(40:27):
grace and effort where all the things that actually happen
are because of grace, and yet that grace motivates us
to have effort. And paying attention to the body is
actually one of the best ways to realize the spiritual
reality of the world, and that is that God. You know,
He causes everything, and we respond. So I always whenever
I'm talking about habits, habits of health, or you know, spirituality,

(40:49):
I always remind people's habits won't change God's love for you.
I say this all the time inhabits. With household habits
will not change God's love for you. And God's love
for you should change your habits, and your body puts
that on display in both physical and spiritual life, that
we respond in God works.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Amen. Amen, Well said you know Jesus when he taught
to pray, he taught us to pray a very very
simple prayer. But he said that Kingdom come, that I
will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
And so and so we have we have this, uh,
this wonderful opportunity as as vessels of God's goodness to
see His Kingdom come to life every day in our life.

(41:27):
And I see in the in the church a huge
gap because if you ask, if you ask the average
church going, I'm not I'm not not they in us. Okay,
I'm I'm in this category too. I'm preaching to myself.
There's a huge gap when when you say, okay, you
see God's goodness all around you, you see his blessings. Would
you count your body among them? Would you say? Would

(41:50):
you say that this body God's given me is a blessing,
It's a vessel for his goodness here in the kingdom.
And might there might be some who are like, yeah, yeah,
you know what, it's all I can run. It's usually
the young ones. The young ones are all like, oh yeah,
my body's great. Yeah, Okay, when you're fifty eight and
you've accumulated things over your entire life span, it's it's

(42:15):
very easy to say, yeah, God's good, but I'm really
struggling with my body right now. Yeah, God's God's good here,
but you know, I have all these health issues and
so so for for me, my prayer is that when
we say that Kingdom Come, that will be done on
earth as it is in heaven, we can say the
same thing when we look in the mirror, not because

(42:36):
we look pretty, not because we're taking pride in the vessel. Yes,
but we can say God, thank you so much for
the way you're healing me. Thank you so much for
what I what I can do with the hands and
feet you've given me. And I also think, you know,
I love this picture of the bride of Christ coming
to him in glory right. That makes me so happy.

(43:00):
And I also think of a bride in here, real
real world bride marrying a husband in showing up as
beautiful as she can show up, like like there's no
bride I know or ever met. I've trained a lot
of women getting ready for weddings. All right, there's no
bride I know. He's like, you know what, I'm getting

(43:21):
married in six months. I'm gonna eat every cheeseber I
could find. I'm going to sit on the couch and
watch Friends over and over again. You know why, because
because I don't care about how I show up on
my wedding. And I'm like, you know what I think.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I think.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think in this season it's time for the bride
of Christ to get ready for the wedding. You know, like,
let's like, let's get in shape, let's take good care
of our body that we can present ourselves. Hey Lord,
this is the best I can offer you. This is
the best I can make myself, not because not because
I'm trying to earn your favor, but because I just
want to do the best with the gift You've given me.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I really like what you're expressing, and I so in
the book, I say this the same sort of thing
with a concept of windows vers mirrors. And you know,
any conversation like this is so fraught with people who
have struggled with eating disorders. People who you know, work
out hard, but their body doesn't look the way they
want it to. They have some health issue they have,

(44:19):
you know, they're aging. There's all these reasons where you're like, yeah,
but and I'm like, look, if we are idolizing our
bodies and thinking about body image, we are going to
be staring in a mirror and forever disappointed because the
error of materialism or the vanity of our culture is
that it just holds the mirror in front of us

(44:39):
and we continually just look back at ourselves with this
cycle of shame and disappointment. But when I'm when I'm
trying to say, don't idolize your body, but rather image
God through your body, it means like smash that mirror
and go look through the window of your body, which
is all about this what you were just saying, Olex,
what can you do with it? Not how does it
look to you, but what can it do? And over

(45:02):
the course of marriage, honestly, this has become so precious
to me as I have you know, for both my
wife and I and both of us are pretty, you know,
relatively good shape, but we're clearly getting older. And yet
my focus is slowly because I think the Holy Spirit's
working in my life is slowly becoming more and more

(45:22):
in awe of all that we can do with our
bodies for the sake of love, and less and less like,
what does it look like when I look at it
in the mirror. I'll tell you what. When I look
through the window, I feel like, Oh, my gosh, I
am growing in this awesome strength and capacity to serve
my family, to protect my family, to be up in
the middle of the night for my family, to lift

(45:43):
my boys, to wrestle my boys, to hug my wife,
to carry my wife, to work hard, to drive long
distances on road trips. There's so much I can do
with my body for the sake of love, because the
Lord has been helping me to steward it. And that
is so satisfying. So anybody they're hearing this and like, well,
but I have this issue or that issue. I often
tell people, you know what the exercise most correlated to

(46:06):
longevity is is just walking outside. Right, So anything that
you're any time you're like, well, but I can't, I'm
just like, if you can, if you can go embrace
the gift of walking, then you're stewarding the gift of
saying how can I love more? Over the life like
walking outside with a friend is one of the most
healthly things you could do for your mind, body, and soul.

(46:28):
And I think when you leave body image behind and
when you look through that window of bodies as image
of God, you're just so free to think about how
can you love instead of how can you look?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Mm hmmm hm, well said, And I would actually, I
would also tack on to that any listeners who are
wrestling with that in particular, just like coming to church.
When you come to church you were saying, And like
we're actually told don't forsake gathering together as somewhere in
the habit of doing it, we're actually told scripturally speaking,

(47:00):
to continue to come together because practicing faith is not easy.
It's it's best done in community. Now, definitely, you have
a you have a wonderful window to the Father through
the Blood of Christ, where you can you can connect
with him on an individual level. But but but God
teaches us we don't. We don't do that alone. It's

(47:20):
we do that in community. And the same the same
as said of I believe the same is is important
to do from a from a fitness perspective. If you
have wrestled in the past with eating and shame and
exercise and all that stuff, and you've wrestled with that,
and you're like, yeah, but I want to encourage you
to find the help that you need so that you're

(47:41):
not doing that on your own. I've done this for
so many years as a coach because because there's nothing
that hurts me more than to see somebody working so hard,
like doing an exercise or or counting their calories or
whatever they're doing, and maybe they're just missing one or
two pieces of knowledge or one or two pieces of

(48:02):
wisdom or something that practically speaking, they would get so
much better results. And I often say, hey, my job
as a coach is to teach you how God made
your body to eat, to teach you how God made
your body to move. And it's not it's not always intuitive.
It's intuitive when you're young, but it's not intuitive as
you get older, for sure, and you have all the

(48:23):
things of adulting you got to do and and so
so I want to encourage you. If you're listening to
this and you're you're wrestling, you're like, ah, I man,
this has been this has been such a hard thing.
Don't do this alone. You don't need to do this alone.
You can. I'll help you that there's CrossFit gyms in
the world that walk in find the spirit of a
place where vanity doesn't win and gluttony doesn't win. It's
it's it's a place of stewardship and and get going man,

(48:45):
because because you don't have to be alone in this it's.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I could not agree more. There's also a meta theme.
I hope this isn't beating a dead horse, but there's
a meta theme to this where you know, we are
our bodies collectively are called the body body of Christ. Okay,
that's why we're the temple of the Holy Spirit. This
is a This is a storyline through scripture. You know,
Eden is the original temple where Adam and Eve are

(49:08):
there and God is with them, and then you go
through progressions of it's the tint and then the Tabernacle,
and then the built Temple, and then the New Testament
tells us that the progression of God's story is that
we collectively our bodies where we are gathered become the
temple of the Holy Spirit, which means our bodies don't
work unless they're in the community of other bodies. This

(49:31):
is why the virtual world has thrown us for such
a loop in mental and physical health and loving our neighbor.
And this is why we've become so divided. This is
because we've forsaken gathering for thinking that a mind to
mind communication through texts or you know, tweets can substitute
for the interaction of the body. And you see it

(49:52):
in exercise. Almost almost no one can do anything meaningful
to change their body alone. It always happens in community,
whether the community of a a trainer or friends working
out together. You must have other people to change. So
it is in the church, and so it is when
you and this is what we're really passionate about Alex
combining them together and saying, hey, what if the church

(50:13):
was actually interested in the health and the holiness of
our bodies. When you're in that community of stewarding your
body with other believers, you're in the way of grace.
When you try to do it alone, it is so unmotivating, tragic.
So many people quit, give up, get stuck in shame.
And I just couldn't encourage everybody listening more. Whatever you're doing,

(50:33):
whether it's working on a parenting habit, spiritual discipline, or
a new exercise routine. Do it with a friend. Do
it with a friend and he is the easy way
to start. Send them this podcast, be like, hey, I
just heard some really interesting thoughts and I really want
help doing them. Would you just listen to this?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And then then we need to go for a while.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Everybody's like, how do I start? Send them this podcast?
Do it together?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's great, that's great. You know, the Bible tells us
that Satan room is around like a hungry lion, seeking
whom he might devour. And we as Christians are like zebras.
Zebras do not blend in with the African savannah. They don't.
They're black and white. They're black and white stripes. I
don't know if they're white with black stripes or black
with white stripes, but no.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But we do know they get picked off when they're alone.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
That's exactly right. That's exactly right. When you're in a herd,
the lion's like, what's going on. There's there's so many
there's so many stripes moving around. But when you're alone,
you get picked off, and that that shame, the guilt,
the defeat, the overwhelm, those are all tools of the enemy,
keeping you from from from walking in the calling that
God's put on your life, your your spirit, and your body.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
So this is the original sin of Eden. Right, get
even alone and talk to her about food? Whoa right
when you're when you're in community, I mean again, like
things like food or fitness, like our appetites, our loves.
When we're alone, we are in such great danger. But
when we stay together and keep it in where as

(51:56):
a gift they got like just a chapter before the
fall of you know, man, we see that Genesis two
nine says God gave fruit in the garden that was
good for food and pleasing to the eye, like he
meant it for goodness and delight. He's like, you know,
do this, not that. And we hold that when we're
in community. But when we get alone with the enemy,

(52:16):
the gifts of God turned to worshiping creation over created,
which is the worshiping creation over the Creator, which is
the essence of sin.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
That's right, that's the golden calf. Don't do it. I
did so I could talk to you for a very
long time, and.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
We could probably go a long time.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah we could, we could, and maybe we can do
this again. Sometime soon, but I want to I want
to have the opportunity to pray over you, to pray
over your book, to pray over your family, and to
end this podcast in prayer and communion with the Father.
If that's all right with you, I would love that.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Thank you, awesome Father God, thank you so much for
this day. Thank you for the way that you've led
justin and for the way your spirit has inspired him
to bring truth and grace and love to his written
work so that his family, in the ministry of his household,

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can affect the families and households of many. Lord, I
know that for my brother this has been a humbling
thing for him, and I know the hard work and
the commitment that you've called him to, the weight that
he carries. And so Lord, I just pray that your

(53:30):
Holy Spirit would be near him imbue his words with wisdom.
I pray Lord that you'll imbue his fatherhood with grace.
I also pray Lord, a hedge of protection around his
profession and his personal life. There's a target on those
who would speak up for the Gospel and well your

(53:54):
kingdom coming and your will being done here on earth
as it is in heaven. So Lord, I just pray
your protection on him, and I also pray for the
listeners who have been a part of this conversation. God,
I just I pray that if there is an impediment
to them moving forward with using their body for your glory,
for them stewarding themselves well and an exit from gluttony

(54:15):
or sloth, Lord, that you would inspire them with energy
and help them to be become comfortable being uncomfortable and
growing the way that you've called them to grow. But
I also pray Lord that they wouldn't they wouldn't fall
into the traps of envy or vanity, that they wouldn't
make their body an idle. And Lord, I just pray
that you would bless them with the support that they

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need to move forward in holiness and in health. God,
redeem your people and teach us to follow you in
this very interesting age that's not a surprise to you,
but we're still struggling with. Yes, we love you, Lord
and Jesus name.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Amen, Amen, Amen, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Man, man, you got it. You got it. Guys on
the shirts that looks yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Is that one of your your companies or podcasts?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, yeah, we put these shirts out with the devotional
for pre orders and stuff, so we'll probably continue to
do that thereafter. But everybody who's picked up a books
getting one of these shirts, well.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
I'm gonna I'm going to pre order it then so
I can get one sent to me.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
That's what I would love to share this with people.
Do you mind if I take a screen snapshot? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Please please? Do you want a thumbs up?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Or yeah? I guess it look like we're talking.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Perfect?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Perfect? When do you think you'll put this out?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
This will come out in about I think we're five
weeks out. I'm going to try to get it out
on the same weekend your book goes live. That's the goal. Yeah,
because you're launching October twenty eighth, I believe is the
is the date and.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I'm flexible, like you can kind of do it whenever,
but as long as you give me a couple of
heads up through emailing Blair who you've been in touch with,
because I would love to post and send this to
people and talk about it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah. Yeah, one hundred percent. We send a thumbnail that
that'll be on YouTube and stuff, and then we usually
chop this up into a bunch of little shorts and
stuff and we send those to you. You can do
whatever you want with this stuff. It doesn't bother us,
but we send it to try to make it easy
on you as well.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Perfect. That sounds great.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Cool. Well, as as we close here, I always say
the same thing, so I'm going to say this to
everybody so my editor doesn't get mad at me. So, guys,
thank you so much for joining us on the Faithful
Fitness podcast. This has been coach Alex beIN outen until
next time. You guys know what I'm going to say next,
Train hard, but pray harder.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Hey, if this episode helped you, chare it with someone
who needs to hear it, and don't forget to subscribe
and leave us a raving review so more people can
find Faithful Fitness. Oh in, my Dad's new devotional is
almost out now. You can grab a copy for yourself
and then join our free community at Better Daily by

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clicking on the links in the show notes below. We
all have a cross to carry, but it's lighter when
we do it together, so check out both links and
the show notes. Don't be a big well bob, just
do it Until next time. Don't forget. Train hard and
pray even harder.

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