April 30, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode we are happy to have Fashion Reverie associate editor Kristopher Fraser, who will talk about his article “Fashion Faces the Aftermath of Trump’s Tariffs, and we chat with Fashion Reverie Editor-in-chief William Gooch about his preview of the 2025 Met Gala. But, let’s start with Fashion News
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome to Fashion Reverie Talks. I'm Tiana Ibrahimovic and i
am Cecily Daniels. Fashion Reverie takes you from the front
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episode of YouTube, Cecily.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We are so glad to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
While podcast of Broadways Pirates of pen Sunset starring with
David Hyde Peers. It's Pirates of Penzance, Tizah, it's good.
But actually we're an adaptation called Pirates the Penzance Musical
and we opened on Thursday on Broadway and it is
so good to be back. In this episode, we are
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so happy to have Fashion Reverie Associate editor Christopher Fraser,
who will talk about his article fashion Faces the aftermath
of Trump's tariffs, and we chat with Fashion Reverie Editor
in chief William Gooch about his preview of the twenty
twenty five met Gala, but Let's start, as always with
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our fashion news. All of our news segments are based
on the fashion news alerts found on fashion Reverie dot com. Okay,
so I'm going to kick this episode off with our
fashion news. And yes, Cecily, you will have to tell
me a few more times to remember how to pronounce
correctly as it thee girl, I got you, because you're
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going to come to the show. I can't wait. Then
I'll certainly remember. But let's kick it off with some
fashion news. So Capezio, I don't know if I'm pronouncing
that right in American English, but has been acquired by
Argon Partners and it's a New York based private equity firm.
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They also own Ballet Makers, Inc. And all of its
subsidiaries and so they have been around since eighteen eighty seven,
owned by family ted Lisi and Jacoyo, and they're based
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in Totoba, New Jersey. So family members will continue their
relationship with the brand and will feature new product lines,
brand collaborations and partnerships, so they will still be very
hands on and for those that are in the dancing industry.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They know this brand very well. They're known for.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The ballet slippers and some other garments that dancers wear.
While I was doing the research, I also also saw
that they have like some cool pantyhose that seem to
last longer than the rest, so I might as well
just I feel like, yeah, Capezio dance tites especially, I
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think the ultra stretch. If you're wearing them in the
wintertime like they do, they will last you a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They are so smooth and nice.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So yeah, I feel like from the dance side of
my life, I grew up with Kafzio and still wear
them to this day. So no, I'll definitely get a try.
They tightened everything too, so yeah, yeah, for sure. Well,
in my news I get to talk about Jerry Hall.
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So a lot of times when people think about Jerry Hall,
they think about who she dated or was married to,
with Mick Jagger and being married to Rupert Murdoch. But
she's also a supermodel in her own right from the
seventies and eighties, and she is still dipping back into fashion.
You know, she's a mother and she's going to celebrate
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her new gig. It's a new gig at Birberry, and
she's a mother and a grandmother. She looks amazing and
so this is like a heartfelt ode to family and
the bonds that unite us, and I think that's a
beautiful sentiment. And so there will be a new gig
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with Birberry and they will have a gifting selection that
will feature the Hyland's family of bags, motifs from the
Burberry check and.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
The new Night stamp as signature branding.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And these are styles that have codd finish inspired by
Rainwear with a lot of new silhouettes.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So it should be an exciting collection.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh that's very cool. I like Jerry Hall and I
love it that you know, she kind of doesn't over
expose herself all the time, like yeah, her often, So
the fact that she's doing this campaign is pretty cool
because you know, we haven't seen her do any anything
like that in a while.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And it's definitely a choice.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So I'm sure it's going to be you know, specific
items that she approves and you know it's really supports Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, Well we have another designer.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
John Arvados is back in New York City and you
know he first opened his namesake store in two thousand
on Mercers Street. However, he is returning to New York
City to Soho district, and it will feature a more
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like luxurious upscale store with some antique rolling racks found
in Paris flea markets, some vintage custom design furniture in leather,
wood and steel.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So it will be located on.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Wooster Street and it will display the brands ready to
wear collections including leather and tailored clothing, accessories, footwear, and fragrance,
as well as a special anniversary collection entitled.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A love Letter. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
He used to do like great little parties, so I
hope that comes back as well. I hope you get
invited to the party. I love a man in a
John Barbados suit. They were always you always had like
really cool suits. I remember, like you know, like that,
like that's like a style, Like the style of suit
I think is just flattering and like always feels like fresh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So right now, see, well that's about it for defashion.
Who's alert Chory Fashionabberie dot com. All right, Well I
am so excited too.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I know that I've had an amazing person filling in
for me, not only a friend, but a fashion guru,
knowledgeable expert about trends, about what is affecting fashion, what
we are all trying to understand in this crazy world
that we were living in. So I am so excited
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to bring back associate editor Christopher Fraser, also my friend,
to talk to us about tariffs and fashion.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Come on, Christopher, girl, it is so good.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Episode.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh my goodness, amazing. I love it. I love it well.
Number one, did you have fun hosting while I was gone?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I did. I had some video really big Capisio shoes
to fill though. Apparently my first set of tap shoes
I think when I was in college taken Tap to hits.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, I'm sure everyone anyone who is keeping up with
the news is has been following, like I don't know,
let's call it the tear of saga.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There's been so many ups and downs, so many different
things happening.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It kind of like every day, so you know, and
and sometimes it's been on again and off again with
the trunk tearuffs, and it has had an overall negative
impact on the stock markets globally.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
How is this affecting fashion and the fashion industry.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I would like to prelude this by saying everything I'm
discussing I wrote at the timing of this article several
days ago, earlier this week. I don't know what craziness
that man and his regime has engaged in this morning,
but in the time of this article, everything I'm about
to say was current as of several days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay, okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But the Trump tariffs are one hundred and terifs were
put on China on many imported and exported goods, and
then in addition Cambodian Bangladesh, and this sent the global
markets reeling. The stock market has lost trillions of dollars
since Donald Trump took office, and a lot of it
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was in effect due to these tariffs and investors and
financiers running scared. Yeah, so I had an immediate ripple
effect across not just fashion, with many industries, and you know,
fashion being such a large part of the global economy,
something that makes sure happens to the global economy. We're
feeling it in the fashion industry on an international level.
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From now you have brands like Omez saying they're raising
prices ten percent. Fast fashion brands like c H and
M even Gap rethinking like, oh, like, are we gonna
have to raise prices now? Now that bringing goods over
from Asia and a lot of the places where there's
a lot of manufacturing, is that going to cost more?
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And then those tech those costs are obviously going to
get passed on to the American consumers. These companies are
not going to absorb them. They're trying to profit, so
what are they gonna They're going to put that cost
over to the consumers raising the price of goods.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Now, you mentioned the fast fashion kind of side of
the industry which is often made in China, Cambodia, and Bangladesh,
and that seems like that's going to be adversely affected.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Can you talk a little bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, with those being such large manufacturing hubs and imports
going up on those costs, like I had mentioned, we're
going to see those costs passed on to consumers. And
it also may lead to these companies potentially looking to
see like if there are cheaper options for manufacturing in
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other places, which could end up affecting those economies. Now,
but the hYP what I'm saying right now is, even
though I'm not an economist, the incorrect hypothesis with these heresies, oh,
these companies will reshore manufacturing. Number One, we don't have
the infrastructure for that anymore. America has not had that
great of a manufacturing infrastructure since the eighties, before I
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was even born, maybe even earlier than that. Yeah, and
we a lot of that at the time, was also
more automotive anyways, but the infrastructure that America basically this
was done jackass backwards too, re shoring, because in order
for that to even be a possibility, we would need
the manufacturing infrastructure first, which we don't have right right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's unlikely that we're going to be making this fashion
in the US in any for people.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
All we're going to see is more expensive clothes and
fast fashion brands.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now, some fashion sustainability advocates contend that the tariffs could
be good for the environment.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What do you think about that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I think that's an interesting theory, even though you know
a lot of these fast fashion companies and unfortunately are
billions of dollars of the economy and plenty of jobs.
But one of the theories that sustainability advocates have and
they're hoping that they say happens, is if fast fashion
costing so much more, maybe people will turn more to
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thrifting and investing in clothes that last longer. They don't
as quickly end up in landfills, so hoping that would
have a domino effect and people buying more consciously, whether
than know, ordering a new fast fashion top every three weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I see.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, I mean, on the one hand, I definitely don't
want to pay more money for literally anything because more money,
but of course.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It is good.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I feel like we just want, like no tearis with
people still to have like an environmental oh, you know,
to think environmentally about their fashion.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Could you speak to the duty free aspect of these
imposed terariffs?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So there used to be a deminimous rule for China
where goods under eight hundred dollars were allowed to be
imported over to America for free. That would no longer
be the case now, and some of these items will
see I think either a thirty dollars a thirty dollars
increase on some and I think up to fifty on
some others. But to fact check check that that, please
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go to fashion referee dot com and read my article. Yeah,
it is absolutely accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, no, no, that makes sense though.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
That's that's that's wild though, because that would be you know,
for certain things for nineties. That's going to be a
big like markup, you know, the difference between what it
did cost and what it will cost.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It's going to be paying more money. These companies are costs.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So yeah, and my last question is, so we talked
about fashion, what about the beauty industry.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
A lot of things are also dealt with out of
in other countries, come from overseas.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How will that do you think be affected by the tariffs?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, it's someone that is uh dived into a little
bit of the Korean beauty skincare usage myself. Korea is
about to see and increase under Trump's terrafs in beauty brands.
So it's about to cost more for them to send
beauty brands over here from Korea. And while this might
be fine, a lot of these Korean beauty companies at
the time, they're small or more independent companies. They're not
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like these huge conglomerates like you know, a l'oreel or
an Este Lauder or something, or even like a major
luxury brand that has skincare under it, like a Chanel.
And so for smaller companies to now have ten percent
or higher costs, all business people in Korea and people
that work in the Korean beauty industry. You're now saying
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that some of these brands might be forced to shut
down because they can't deal with like ten percent higher costs,
these like very small independent brands.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, oh, I hope that doesn't happen, because how we
going to get our new most important best face creams.
But you know, like it's it's so interesting, you know,
all of these things are so interconnected and very much
this one not one decision, but you know, these decisions
about tariffs, it seems like are going to have like
global impact in a lot of different ways, and we'll
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all be waiting.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
To see what the how it all shakes out.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't know, who knows what craziness gonna happen on Monday.
That has been I think since the timing of this article,
there has been another pause on some of sps going
into place. Actually, so it could be another three months
before we actually do see more of the ripple effects
of these situations.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, I guess, I guess I'm I need to
stalk up on my K beauty.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, I would get any any clothes, any K beauty,
any products that might be subject to these hariffs. I
would try to buy as much as I possibly can
now before they're thirty to twenty five percent more thirty
to twenty five to thirty percent more like why July August.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh my gosh, well, Christopher, you had a wonderful article
that was very informative and great way to help us
think about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And I appreciate, just appreciate that. Thank you so much
for taking time to join us.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh, it's a pleasure talking with you. Cecily, you too, Darling, talk.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
To you later.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So our next guest is editor in chief of Fashion Reverie,
William A. Googe, and we will be discussing the hot
topic of the month and the happening of the year,
the Met Gala.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Welcome William two Fashion Reverie talks.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
So good to do here. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I have a new laptop.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Applause. I apologize. I have a new laptop and I'm
having issues with the darkness and the color. So everyone,
I'm not green. If you've never seen me before, I'm
not green. It's just some challenges. We're gonna come and
get all this worked out in post production. But yes, Tiana,
the Met Gala is May fifth a little over a
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week away, and we are so excited because what does
that mean? Glamour, innovative garments, tons of celebrities. So we're
all excited.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
So give us a little history of the Metgala.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Well, the Megala is a fundraiser for the Costume Institute,
which is a part of the Metropolitan Museum of Art
in New York City, and it was started in nineteen
forty eight by the famous fashion publicist Eleanor Lambert. For
those who don't know who Eleanor Lambert is, Eleanor Lambert
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actually started New York Fashion Week in nineteen forty four,
it was called Press Week. So she is the founder
of New York Fashion Week, the founder of the CFDA,
the founder of the former Cody Awards. So she started
this Meggala to raise money for the Costume Institute for
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its first opening exhibit in nineteen forty eight. Now, Tianna,
you're gonna love this. Guess how much the tickets cost
in nineteen forty eight to go to the mcgala.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Five dollars?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
No, no, come on to your No, it wasn't five dollars. Now,
it was fifty dollars compared to seventy five thousand dollars
for a ticket. Now, so you see inflation. Inflation is
a mother.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Year was the first year that they had the Medcala.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Nineteen forty eight, Okay, so it was but fifty dollars
at that.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Time, was well, it was a lot of money for people,
fifty bucks, right, And it wasn't held at the at
the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It was held at various
venues all around New York City, from you know, from
the Waldorf Astoria to the Rockefeller Center's Rainbow Room. And
when Dinah Reland, the fat great fashion editor that Diana
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Reeland took over the mecgall in nineteen seventy two, she
brought in the celebrities. So it wasn't a celet every
event until nineteen seventy two. So then she brought in
people like Elizabeth Taylor, Donald roth Cher, Barbarace Chisen and
lies Manelli blah blah blah blah blah. And when she
took it over, that's when they moved it back. That's
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when that's when they moved it to the Metropolitan Museum
of Art. Now, Adam Wintour is now the chairman of
the Mecgala. She's been there for quite a few years,
a couple of decades actually, and of all the information
I could gather. In twenty twenty two, the MEC Galler
raised nineteen million dollars for the Costant Institute, so it's
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a big deal. And down of Reeland also brought back,
not brought back, but she introduced themes. So we didn't
have themes for the Mecgala until down of Reeland took
over in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But also, I do believe that it's seventy five thousand
per ticket after you donate.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yes, correct, you got that right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yes, it's a purchase ticket only if you already donated, right, right,
You have.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
To donate money before you you paid the seventy five thousand.
Seventy five thousand, yes, yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So let's talk about the theme this year.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What will be the theme?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
What what are people expected to show up in?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, the theme is super Fine Tailoring Black Style. So
this theme was inspired by Monica Miller's twenty two thousand
and nine book Slaves to Fashion, Black Dandyism and the
styling of Black diosporic identity. And this theme was picked
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by the chief curator Andrew Bolton and Monica Miller, who's
professor of Africana Studies at Barnard College, you know, which
is a part of columber University. Shout out, Christopher, we
know your columber University graduate. But so she had this
book out, actually have the book, and that is the theme. Now,
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this is only the second time we've had a men's
wear theme for the met Gala. The first men wear
theme was in two thousand and three, men in Skirts.
So this is really going to elevate men's wear. We
spec to see celebrities wearing very gender neutral clothes, gender
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bending clothes, which you know Janelle Money does that anyway,
so it's going to be very interesting to see how
that comes about. And just to give people a little history,
we might not know what dandy is a men. A
dandy is a man that loves style. So he's very
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well groomed, he's very well manicured. He loves bold color,
he loves his garments tailored, he loves were a lot
of jewelry. You know, dandy's back in the day, we
didn't call them dandies then, but think of Louis the
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fourteenth was a dandy of sorts. The scarlet Pimpernil from
the famous book was a dandy of sorts. I did
a play in college by Moliere called George Dandon. I
played Clatondra, or Dandy. And remember, back in the day,
men wore powdered in Europe. They wore powdered wigs, they
wore makeup, beauty marks, they wore heels. It wasn't necessarily
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an indication of their sexual preference. It was just men
who really gloried and were a little vain and how
they looked. And I'm actually working on an article now
about dandyism, which you guys can find on Fashion for
Every dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So what do you think happens after the red carpet
of the med Gala? Something that maybe it's not that
covered in the meeting.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Okay, well, I give you guys a couple of little secrets.
Most photographers are not allowed into the Medgala. Only a
select few get to go inside, where they have a
dinner and they actually get to see the exhibit for
the first time. Very few photographers are allowed in second
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little secret, many of the garments that the ladies and
some of the men are wearing are very uncomfortable and
they cannot sit down in those garments, so many of
them change clothes once they go into the dinner, they
go to the bathroom where where they go and they
change garments because some of those garments they don't want
to sit down in because they could ruin those garments
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if they sit down. You know, some of those garments
are fifteen hundred thousand dollars custom made pieces just for
their Red carpet. And my last little tip is the
celebrities on the Red carpet don't pay to go to
the gala. They are sponsored by the garment, the brand
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houses or the design houses that they're wearing. So that
say you're wearing a customer Chanell garment, Chanel will buy
two or three tables. Everybody at that table's ticket is
paid for. So if you are a celebrity on the
Red carpet wearing a customed Chanel Peace, you don't pay,
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So the money is raised otherwhere. Otherwise it's not coming
from most of the celebrities on the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You they have a choice if they want to attend.
If a celebrity wants to attend but the person is
not sponsored by they're.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Not a sponsored then they have to pay exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And so what do you think who will show up
this year?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Well, let's talk about who some of the co chairs are.
I forgot to say that the co chairs of the
metgala of course, and a Winterer then Coleman Domingo, who
we love, you know, Academy Award nominated actor who I'm
sure has incredible, great style. He is definitely going to
show up and show out for real. Williams is one
of the co chairs asap, Rocky Lewis Hamilton who's a
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race car driver, and Lebron James is an honorary chair.
So we have a lot of interesting black co chairs
for this themed gala. And of course, you know, I'm
sure Janelle Money is gonna show out in a very
interesting garment she does every season, but this will be
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more dandy inspired, so I'm kind of interesting interested to
see how she's gonna pull that off. Also, you know,
Billy Porter's gonna be there showing up and showing out
in a very dandy ish kind of outfit. Sarah Jessica
Parker is always an interesting look, but she's always kind
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of very feminine girly. So Tiana, what do you think
how would she incorporate this, I'm just asking you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, I do think that she will have some kind
of a head piece, but maybe it will be a
heck this time, or something more masculine, I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Know, or maybe maybe a jeweled pinstriped suit or something.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, I don't see her in a suit, but
you don't see her in a suit.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's see.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah, So, I mean, this is a very interesting thing
because it is men's wear, so you know, the red
carpet is really predominantly filled with female celebrity. So I'm
just kind of interested to see how they're gonna pull
this off. Zendayah, for instance, how is she gonna pull
it off? Now? I can see her in a pinstrip suit,
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a jeweled pinstripe suit, So I wonder what law Roach
is going to do for her.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I do think that it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Will be Rihanna that will sort of take the stage again. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
given Asap is on.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Board, Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, let's see, it's exciting. It's always the most exciting
red carpet, So it is.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And don't and viewers, please don't forget to go to
fashion revera dot com and read my article on dandyism
and read Marley Gifford's pre coverage of this great red
carpet event.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, thank you, William.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I will look forward to commenting with you after the
Red carpet.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Thank you and thank you for having me and Cicily.
We're so glad you're back. And let me tell you, Sisily,
don't you give tickets justin to Yanna. I will too.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, thank you, William.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, viewers, I'm so glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That was a great segment and that is it for
this episode of Fashion Reverie Talks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We would like to thank Feeshion, Reverie Associate editor Christopher Fraser,
and Fashion Reverie Editor in chief William Googe. Thank you
for appearing on Fashion Reverie Talks. For information on these
and other stories, go to Fashion reverie dot com. Don't
forget to hit the like and subscribe button. Thanks for watching.
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We'll see you the next time.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
The Spirit as Trails, All Spirit as Trails.
Welcome to Fashion Reverie Talks. I'm Tiana Ibrahimovic and i
am Cecily Daniels. Fashion Reverie takes you from the front
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
We are so glad to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
While podcast of Broadways Pirates of pen Sunset starring with
David Hyde Peers. It's Pirates of Penzance, Tizah, it's good.
But actually we're an adaptation called Pirates the Penzance Musical
and we opened on Thursday on Broadway and it is
so good to be back. In this episode, we are
(01:25):
so happy to have Fashion Reverie Associate editor Christopher Fraser,
who will talk about his article fashion Faces the aftermath
of Trump's tariffs, and we chat with Fashion Reverie Editor
in chief William Gooch about his preview of the twenty
twenty five met Gala, but Let's start, as always with
(01:45):
our fashion news. All of our news segments are based
on the fashion news alerts found on fashion Reverie dot com. Okay,
so I'm going to kick this episode off with our
fashion news. And yes, Cecily, you will have to tell
me a few more times to remember how to pronounce
correctly as it thee girl, I got you, because you're
(02:05):
going to come to the show. I can't wait. Then
I'll certainly remember. But let's kick it off with some
fashion news. So Capezio, I don't know if I'm pronouncing
that right in American English, but has been acquired by
Argon Partners and it's a New York based private equity firm.
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They also own Ballet Makers, Inc. And all of its
subsidiaries and so they have been around since eighteen eighty seven,
owned by family ted Lisi and Jacoyo, and they're based
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in Totoba, New Jersey. So family members will continue their
relationship with the brand and will feature new product lines,
brand collaborations and partnerships, so they will still be very
hands on and for those that are in the dancing industry.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They know this brand very well. They're known for.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The ballet slippers and some other garments that dancers wear.
While I was doing the research, I also also saw
that they have like some cool pantyhose that seem to
last longer than the rest, so I might as well
just I feel like, yeah, Capezio dance tites especially, I
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think the ultra stretch. If you're wearing them in the
wintertime like they do, they will last you a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They are so smooth and nice.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So yeah, I feel like from the dance side of
my life, I grew up with Kafzio and still wear
them to this day. So no, I'll definitely get a try.
They tightened everything too, so yeah, yeah, for sure. Well,
in my news I get to talk about Jerry Hall.
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So a lot of times when people think about Jerry Hall,
they think about who she dated or was married to,
with Mick Jagger and being married to Rupert Murdoch. But
she's also a supermodel in her own right from the
seventies and eighties, and she is still dipping back into fashion.
You know, she's a mother and she's going to celebrate
(04:32):
her new gig. It's a new gig at Birberry, and
she's a mother and a grandmother. She looks amazing and
so this is like a heartfelt ode to family and
the bonds that unite us, and I think that's a
beautiful sentiment. And so there will be a new gig
(04:52):
with Birberry and they will have a gifting selection that
will feature the Hyland's family of bags, motifs from the
Burberry check and.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
The new Night stamp as signature branding.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And these are styles that have codd finish inspired by
Rainwear with a lot of new silhouettes.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So it should be an exciting collection.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh that's very cool. I like Jerry Hall and I
love it that you know, she kind of doesn't over
expose herself all the time, like yeah, her often, So
the fact that she's doing this campaign is pretty cool
because you know, we haven't seen her do any anything
like that in a while.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And it's definitely a choice.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So I'm sure it's going to be you know, specific
items that she approves and you know it's really supports Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, Well we have another designer.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
John Arvados is back in New York City and you
know he first opened his namesake store in two thousand
on Mercers Street. However, he is returning to New York
City to Soho district, and it will feature a more
(06:10):
like luxurious upscale store with some antique rolling racks found
in Paris flea markets, some vintage custom design furniture in leather,
wood and steel.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So it will be located on.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Wooster Street and it will display the brands ready to
wear collections including leather and tailored clothing, accessories, footwear, and fragrance,
as well as a special anniversary collection entitled.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A love Letter. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
He used to do like great little parties, so I
hope that comes back as well. I hope you get
invited to the party. I love a man in a
John Barbados suit. They were always you always had like
really cool suits. I remember, like you know, like that,
like that's like a style, Like the style of suit
I think is just flattering and like always feels like fresh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So right now, see, well that's about it for defashion.
Who's alert Chory Fashionabberie dot com. All right, Well I
am so excited too.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I know that I've had an amazing person filling in
for me, not only a friend, but a fashion guru,
knowledgeable expert about trends, about what is affecting fashion, what
we are all trying to understand in this crazy world
that we were living in. So I am so excited
(07:46):
to bring back associate editor Christopher Fraser, also my friend,
to talk to us about tariffs and fashion.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Come on, Christopher, girl, it is so good.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Episode.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh my goodness, amazing. I love it. I love it well.
Number one, did you have fun hosting while I was gone?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I did. I had some video really big Capisio shoes
to fill though. Apparently my first set of tap shoes
I think when I was in college taken Tap to hits.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, I'm sure everyone anyone who is keeping up with
the news is has been following, like I don't know,
let's call it the tear of saga.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There's been so many ups and downs, so many different
things happening.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It kind of like every day, so you know, and
and sometimes it's been on again and off again with
the trunk tearuffs, and it has had an overall negative
impact on the stock markets globally.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
How is this affecting fashion and the fashion industry.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I would like to prelude this by saying everything I'm
discussing I wrote at the timing of this article several
days ago, earlier this week. I don't know what craziness
that man and his regime has engaged in this morning,
but in the time of this article, everything I'm about
to say was current as of several days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay, okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But the Trump tariffs are one hundred and terifs were
put on China on many imported and exported goods, and
then in addition Cambodian Bangladesh, and this sent the global
markets reeling. The stock market has lost trillions of dollars
since Donald Trump took office, and a lot of it
(09:44):
was in effect due to these tariffs and investors and
financiers running scared. Yeah, so I had an immediate ripple
effect across not just fashion, with many industries, and you know,
fashion being such a large part of the global economy,
something that makes sure happens to the global economy. We're
feeling it in the fashion industry on an international level.
(10:07):
From now you have brands like Omez saying they're raising
prices ten percent. Fast fashion brands like c H and
M even Gap rethinking like, oh, like, are we gonna
have to raise prices now? Now that bringing goods over
from Asia and a lot of the places where there's
a lot of manufacturing, is that going to cost more?
(10:28):
And then those tech those costs are obviously going to
get passed on to the American consumers. These companies are
not going to absorb them. They're trying to profit, so
what are they gonna They're going to put that cost
over to the consumers raising the price of goods.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Now, you mentioned the fast fashion kind of side of
the industry which is often made in China, Cambodia, and Bangladesh,
and that seems like that's going to be adversely affected.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Can you talk a little bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, with those being such large manufacturing hubs and imports
going up on those costs, like I had mentioned, we're
going to see those costs passed on to consumers. And
it also may lead to these companies potentially looking to
see like if there are cheaper options for manufacturing in
(11:20):
other places, which could end up affecting those economies. Now,
but the hYP what I'm saying right now is, even
though I'm not an economist, the incorrect hypothesis with these heresies, oh,
these companies will reshore manufacturing. Number One, we don't have
the infrastructure for that anymore. America has not had that
great of a manufacturing infrastructure since the eighties, before I
(11:44):
was even born, maybe even earlier than that. Yeah, and
we a lot of that at the time, was also
more automotive anyways, but the infrastructure that America basically this
was done jackass backwards too, re shoring, because in order
for that to even be a possibility, we would need
the manufacturing infrastructure first, which we don't have right right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's unlikely that we're going to be making this fashion
in the US in any for people.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
All we're going to see is more expensive clothes and
fast fashion brands.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now, some fashion sustainability advocates contend that the tariffs could
be good for the environment.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What do you think about that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I think that's an interesting theory, even though you know
a lot of these fast fashion companies and unfortunately are
billions of dollars of the economy and plenty of jobs.
But one of the theories that sustainability advocates have and
they're hoping that they say happens, is if fast fashion
costing so much more, maybe people will turn more to
(12:48):
thrifting and investing in clothes that last longer. They don't
as quickly end up in landfills, so hoping that would
have a domino effect and people buying more consciously, whether
than know, ordering a new fast fashion top every three weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I see.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, I mean, on the one hand, I definitely don't
want to pay more money for literally anything because more money,
but of course.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It is good.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I feel like we just want, like no tearis with
people still to have like an environmental oh, you know,
to think environmentally about their fashion.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Could you speak to the duty free aspect of these
imposed terariffs?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So there used to be a deminimous rule for China
where goods under eight hundred dollars were allowed to be
imported over to America for free. That would no longer
be the case now, and some of these items will
see I think either a thirty dollars a thirty dollars
increase on some and I think up to fifty on
some others. But to fact check check that that, please
(13:51):
go to fashion referee dot com and read my article. Yeah,
it is absolutely accurate.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, no, no, that makes sense though.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
That's that's that's wild though, because that would be you know,
for certain things for nineties. That's going to be a
big like markup, you know, the difference between what it
did cost and what it will cost.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It's going to be paying more money. These companies are costs.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So yeah, and my last question is, so we talked
about fashion, what about the beauty industry.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
A lot of things are also dealt with out of
in other countries, come from overseas.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How will that do you think be affected by the tariffs?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, it's someone that is uh dived into a little
bit of the Korean beauty skincare usage myself. Korea is
about to see and increase under Trump's terrafs in beauty brands.
So it's about to cost more for them to send
beauty brands over here from Korea. And while this might
be fine, a lot of these Korean beauty companies at
the time, they're small or more independent companies. They're not
(14:49):
like these huge conglomerates like you know, a l'oreel or
an Este Lauder or something, or even like a major
luxury brand that has skincare under it, like a Chanel.
And so for smaller companies to now have ten percent
or higher costs, all business people in Korea and people
that work in the Korean beauty industry. You're now saying
(15:12):
that some of these brands might be forced to shut
down because they can't deal with like ten percent higher costs,
these like very small independent brands.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, oh, I hope that doesn't happen, because how we
going to get our new most important best face creams.
But you know, like it's it's so interesting, you know,
all of these things are so interconnected and very much
this one not one decision, but you know, these decisions
about tariffs, it seems like are going to have like
global impact in a lot of different ways, and we'll
(15:46):
all be waiting.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
To see what the how it all shakes out.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't know, who knows what craziness gonna happen on Monday.
That has been I think since the timing of this article,
there has been another pause on some of sps going
into place. Actually, so it could be another three months
before we actually do see more of the ripple effects
of these situations.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, I guess, I guess I'm I need to
stalk up on my K beauty.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, I would get any any clothes, any K beauty,
any products that might be subject to these hariffs. I
would try to buy as much as I possibly can
now before they're thirty to twenty five percent more thirty
to twenty five to thirty percent more like why July August.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh my gosh, well, Christopher, you had a wonderful article
that was very informative and great way to help us
think about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And I appreciate, just appreciate that. Thank you so much
for taking time to join us.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh, it's a pleasure talking with you. Cecily, you too, Darling, talk.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
To you later.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So our next guest is editor in chief of Fashion Reverie,
William A. Googe, and we will be discussing the hot
topic of the month and the happening of the year,
the Met Gala.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Welcome William two Fashion Reverie talks.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
So good to do here. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I have a new laptop.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Applause. I apologize. I have a new laptop and I'm
having issues with the darkness and the color. So everyone,
I'm not green. If you've never seen me before, I'm
not green. It's just some challenges. We're gonna come and
get all this worked out in post production. But yes, Tiana,
the Met Gala is May fifth a little over a
(17:48):
week away, and we are so excited because what does
that mean? Glamour, innovative garments, tons of celebrities. So we're
all excited.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
So give us a little history of the Metgala.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Well, the Megala is a fundraiser for the Costume Institute,
which is a part of the Metropolitan Museum of Art
in New York City, and it was started in nineteen
forty eight by the famous fashion publicist Eleanor Lambert. For
those who don't know who Eleanor Lambert is, Eleanor Lambert
(18:24):
actually started New York Fashion Week in nineteen forty four,
it was called Press Week. So she is the founder
of New York Fashion Week, the founder of the CFDA,
the founder of the former Cody Awards. So she started
this Meggala to raise money for the Costume Institute for
(18:47):
its first opening exhibit in nineteen forty eight. Now, Tianna,
you're gonna love this. Guess how much the tickets cost
in nineteen forty eight to go to the mcgala.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Five dollars?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
No, no, come on to your No, it wasn't five dollars. Now,
it was fifty dollars compared to seventy five thousand dollars
for a ticket. Now, so you see inflation. Inflation is
a mother.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Year was the first year that they had the Medcala.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Nineteen forty eight, Okay, so it was but fifty dollars
at that.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Time, was well, it was a lot of money for people,
fifty bucks, right, And it wasn't held at the at
the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It was held at various
venues all around New York City, from you know, from
the Waldorf Astoria to the Rockefeller Center's Rainbow Room. And
when Dinah Reland, the fat great fashion editor that Diana
(19:53):
Reeland took over the mecgall in nineteen seventy two, she
brought in the celebrities. So it wasn't a celet every
event until nineteen seventy two. So then she brought in
people like Elizabeth Taylor, Donald roth Cher, Barbarace Chisen and
lies Manelli blah blah blah blah blah. And when she
took it over, that's when they moved it back. That's
(20:13):
when that's when they moved it to the Metropolitan Museum
of Art. Now, Adam Wintour is now the chairman of
the Mecgala. She's been there for quite a few years,
a couple of decades actually, and of all the information
I could gather. In twenty twenty two, the MEC Galler
raised nineteen million dollars for the Costant Institute, so it's
(20:37):
a big deal. And down of Reeland also brought back,
not brought back, but she introduced themes. So we didn't
have themes for the Mecgala until down of Reeland took
over in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But also, I do believe that it's seventy five thousand
per ticket after you donate.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yes, correct, you got that right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yes, it's a purchase ticket only if you already donated, right, right,
You have.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
To donate money before you you paid the seventy five thousand.
Seventy five thousand, yes, yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So let's talk about the theme this year.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What will be the theme?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
What what are people expected to show up in?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, the theme is super Fine Tailoring Black Style. So
this theme was inspired by Monica Miller's twenty two thousand
and nine book Slaves to Fashion, Black Dandyism and the
styling of Black diosporic identity. And this theme was picked
(21:46):
by the chief curator Andrew Bolton and Monica Miller, who's
professor of Africana Studies at Barnard College, you know, which
is a part of columber University. Shout out, Christopher, we
know your columber University graduate. But so she had this
book out, actually have the book, and that is the theme. Now,
(22:10):
this is only the second time we've had a men's
wear theme for the met Gala. The first men wear
theme was in two thousand and three, men in Skirts.
So this is really going to elevate men's wear. We
spec to see celebrities wearing very gender neutral clothes, gender
(22:32):
bending clothes, which you know Janelle Money does that anyway,
so it's going to be very interesting to see how
that comes about. And just to give people a little history,
we might not know what dandy is a men. A
dandy is a man that loves style. So he's very
(22:54):
well groomed, he's very well manicured. He loves bold color,
he loves his garments tailored, he loves were a lot
of jewelry. You know, dandy's back in the day, we
didn't call them dandies then, but think of Louis the
(23:14):
fourteenth was a dandy of sorts. The scarlet Pimpernil from
the famous book was a dandy of sorts. I did
a play in college by Moliere called George Dandon. I
played Clatondra, or Dandy. And remember, back in the day,
men wore powdered in Europe. They wore powdered wigs, they
wore makeup, beauty marks, they wore heels. It wasn't necessarily
(23:40):
an indication of their sexual preference. It was just men
who really gloried and were a little vain and how
they looked. And I'm actually working on an article now
about dandyism, which you guys can find on Fashion for
Every dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So what do you think happens after the red carpet
of the med Gala? Something that maybe it's not that
covered in the meeting.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Okay, well, I give you guys a couple of little secrets.
Most photographers are not allowed into the Medgala. Only a
select few get to go inside, where they have a
dinner and they actually get to see the exhibit for
the first time. Very few photographers are allowed in second
(24:30):
little secret, many of the garments that the ladies and
some of the men are wearing are very uncomfortable and
they cannot sit down in those garments, so many of
them change clothes once they go into the dinner, they
go to the bathroom where where they go and they
change garments because some of those garments they don't want
to sit down in because they could ruin those garments
(24:51):
if they sit down. You know, some of those garments
are fifteen hundred thousand dollars custom made pieces just for
their Red carpet. And my last little tip is the
celebrities on the Red carpet don't pay to go to
the gala. They are sponsored by the garment, the brand
(25:13):
houses or the design houses that they're wearing. So that
say you're wearing a customer Chanell garment, Chanel will buy
two or three tables. Everybody at that table's ticket is
paid for. So if you are a celebrity on the
Red carpet wearing a customed Chanel Peace, you don't pay,
(25:35):
So the money is raised otherwhere. Otherwise it's not coming
from most of the celebrities on the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You they have a choice if they want to attend.
If a celebrity wants to attend but the person is
not sponsored by they're.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Not a sponsored then they have to pay exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And so what do you think who will show up
this year?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Well, let's talk about who some of the co chairs are.
I forgot to say that the co chairs of the
metgala of course, and a Winterer then Coleman Domingo, who
we love, you know, Academy Award nominated actor who I'm
sure has incredible, great style. He is definitely going to
show up and show out for real. Williams is one
of the co chairs asap, Rocky Lewis Hamilton who's a
(26:24):
race car driver, and Lebron James is an honorary chair.
So we have a lot of interesting black co chairs
for this themed gala. And of course, you know, I'm
sure Janelle Money is gonna show out in a very
interesting garment she does every season, but this will be
(26:47):
more dandy inspired, so I'm kind of interesting interested to
see how she's gonna pull that off. Also, you know,
Billy Porter's gonna be there showing up and showing out
in a very dandy ish kind of outfit. Sarah Jessica
Parker is always an interesting look, but she's always kind
(27:09):
of very feminine girly. So Tiana, what do you think
how would she incorporate this, I'm just asking you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, I do think that she will have some kind
of a head piece, but maybe it will be a
heck this time, or something more masculine, I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Know, or maybe maybe a jeweled pinstriped suit or something.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, I don't see her in a suit, but
you don't see her in a suit.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's see.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah, So, I mean, this is a very interesting thing
because it is men's wear, so you know, the red
carpet is really predominantly filled with female celebrity. So I'm
just kind of interested to see how they're gonna pull
this off. Zendayah, for instance, how is she gonna pull
it off? Now? I can see her in a pinstrip suit,
(28:02):
a jeweled pinstripe suit, So I wonder what law Roach
is going to do for her.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I do think that it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Will be Rihanna that will sort of take the stage again. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
given Asap is on.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Board, Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, let's see, it's exciting. It's always the most exciting
red carpet, So it is.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And don't and viewers, please don't forget to go to
fashion revera dot com and read my article on dandyism
and read Marley Gifford's pre coverage of this great red
carpet event.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, thank you, William.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I will look forward to commenting with you after the
Red carpet.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Thank you and thank you for having me and Cicily.
We're so glad you're back. And let me tell you, Sisily,
don't you give tickets justin to Yanna. I will too.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, thank you, William.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, viewers, I'm so glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That was a great segment and that is it for
this episode of Fashion Reverie Talks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We would like to thank Feeshion, Reverie Associate editor Christopher Fraser,
and Fashion Reverie Editor in chief William Googe. Thank you
for appearing on Fashion Reverie Talks. For information on these
and other stories, go to Fashion reverie dot com. Don't
forget to hit the like and subscribe button. Thanks for watching.
(29:42):
We'll see you the next time.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
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