September 19, 2025 • 43 mins
On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Judicial Watch attorney Christina Bobb joins Federalist Senior Elections Correspondent Matt Kittle to give new details about the FBI's 2022 raid on Mar-A-Lago and discuss the rule of law remedies that can combat the chilling effects of Democrat lawfare.
You can find Bobb's book Defiant: Inside the Mar-a-Lago Raid and the Left's Ongoing Lawfare here.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Our guest today is Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob former
attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to the Republican
National Committee's Election Integrity Section, and author of a powerful
new book, Defiant Inside the marl Lago Aid and the
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lefts ongoing lawfare. The book details the links the left
will go to to maintain power, and a call to
action for Americans who refuse to let their country be
lost to tyranny. Christina, thank you so much for joining
us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled
to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Absolutely, this is, as I said, a powerful book about
the events of the last few years in this country
driven by absolute Trump derangement. Syndrome by a left that
is craven and absolutely entirely interested in regaining power and
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now relevance in America. And this book, of course comes
out as we are dealing with the tragic assassination, the
awful of Charlie Kirk, a young man who has become
a conservative icon, not only a leader in free speech
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and the conservative MAGA movement values, but an upstanding Christian
who lived his faith. I want to start there. Do
you believe, as you have experienced personally in all of this,
that the violence that we are seeing in America today,
the political violence that we are seeing against the right
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in America, is the natural outcrop of what we've seen
over the last several years what you've written about.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think that is the end goal.
They don't they being the left. And to be fair,
it's not truly accurate to divide us by left and right.
There's a lot of Republicans that are part of the problem,
but that's the easier way to do it. But it
started with censorship, right, They just didn't want us to
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be able to say, and they tried to silence us,
and then they tried to bankrupt us with law fair.
I was part of the dominion lawsuits that thankfully that
was dismissed, but we've seen so many other people sued,
you know, into bankruptcy. They tried to defame us and
say we're crazy conspiracy theorists and you shouldn't believe anything
we say because we're weird. You know, that was basically
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the message. And then they still not only could they
not stop us, but the Conservative I didn't even want
to call it a movement. I don't think anybody intended
for it to be a movement, but that's what it is.
The Conservative movement was so big and gaining in popularity
that they've resorted to murder. They tried to assassinate Donald Trump,
they did assassinate Charlie Kirk, and I mean they they're
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losing on every issue, on every policy issue, and they're
refusing to let go of power. They're refusing to have
a real democratic process, which is the voice of the people.
They they want to prevent us from securing our elections.
They want to allow illegals to vote. I mean, at
this point, you know, at this point, everything's out the window.
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All the rights and privileges that we have held. Dear
they're trying to eliminate them for well over half the
country just to try to solidify their power.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, it is troubling. And we think about in particular
President Donald Trump. You note, and I think you're absolutely correct.
I mean, in some ways, this is an absolute miracle
that he became, you know, historically speaking the Grover Cleveland
of the twenty first century, that he had a second term, because,
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let's face it, they did everything they possibly could to
shut this man down, to take him out of politics.
They tried to illegally, unconstitutionally driving from the twenty twenty
four primary ballot. They tried to they did indict him,
they arrest him, they took mug shots of him, you know,
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they ran kangaroo courts to convict him of bogus crimes,
and then they tried to kill him in a field
in Butler, Pennsylvania, July of twenty twenty four. Literally, they
will stop at nothing. But it is not just Donald Trump.
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It is anyone who is considered an ally of Donald Trump.
And you're exactly were you were, and you live that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And that is I think what
is so important for people to understand today and I
think many people are waking up to this realization when
Donald Trump says, They're not after me, they're after you.
I'm just in the way. This is what he's talking about.
In my book Defiant Inside the Marloguo Rate and the
Left song Going Lawfair is all about that. President Trump
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did the forward for it because and he says there,
he's like, I want everybody to know the story. This
is why he's doing what he's doing, because they come
after us. I'm still a criminal defendant as we cheet,
and they will destroy your life. They'll destroy your reputation,
they'll destroy your career, They'll do everything they can to
ruin you, just for power. And Donald Trump really is
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the largest one holding them back, stemming that tide, giving
space for the rest of us to continue to push back. So,
I mean it is a miracle, I do. I mean, yeah,
I chalk it up to the grace of God, because
how he's still alive is a miracle. And the fact
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that we were able to secure the election enough. I
don't by any mean think it was secure, but it
was a heck of a lot better than twenty twenty
to get him back in office. And I mean, this
is This is an incredibly, incredibly important fight and what
they're doing, and this is what the regular media, the
mainstream media, is not actually reporting on. So I thank
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you for allowing me to use your platform. They're not
telling you the stories of everyday Americans. I have friends
that have lost homes because they can't pay their legal
bills and their home. I have friends that have lost
their families, their marriages because the pressure of the legal
bills and the accusations, and then you know, family members
questioning whether the accusations are true or not, so they
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lose their families. I mean, they're just they're intentionally destroying
people's lives because they can't win on policy. And Americans
need to understand that Donald Trump has got to clean
this out this term, and we have to have a
strong enough backbone to allow him to do that. And
the way he does that is by prosecuting these people.
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And you mentioned this just a few minutes ago. They
have demonstrated that they are not going to stop unless
they are stopped, and that's what we need Donald Trump
to do. We need Donald Trump to stop them from
this crazy rampage that they're on. And the way you
do it is a couple very good, well placed indictments
and prosecutions. I'm not saying I have to prosecute everybody.
(08:12):
I would very much love to put all of this
law fair behind us. And I don't believe that any
lawsuits or prosecutions aimed at the people actually committing crimes
is lawfair. That's actually the proper use of the justice system.
But we have to allow that to play out because
it's the only it's the only way they'll stop. They're
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not stopping at anything else. They're not stopping when they're
exposed as frauds. They just continue to lie and so
they I mean, someone need to stand up in jail.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Indeed, and in the backdrop of all of this, we
saw this, particularly in the twenty twenty four election. You
say the mainstream media, I don't think there's anything mainstream
about them. I think they're the accomplice media. I think
they're right propagan depress, the prov depress if you really
want to look at this, because they represent the Marxist
movement in America, which has become the Democratic Party. They're
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the public relations firm for the Democratic Party. All of
that said, in context, they are the same media, the
same corporate media that has pushed the absolute and it
turns out ultimately violent lie that Donald Trump is akin
to Adolph Hitler, a Nazi, the Republicans in this country
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that Donald Trump, and I say, the Conservatives, the true
maga conservatives in this country, that they're the real threat
to democracy. But your lived experience and the reporting the
remind us of recent history, I think really shows us
where the real threat to democracy is. And isn't that
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absolutely at the center of your book to sound an
alarm to let everyone know that, yes, there is a
threat to democracy. It's the lawfare that's going on from
the left. It is, you know, everything they are doing
to stop duly elected you know, public officials from doing
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their job.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right, Yeah, no, I mean that's exactly right. So the
book takes you behind the scenes of all of the
Jack Smith investigations, which I mean, there's so much to
unravel about. As you were talking about earlier, they brought
these kangaroo courts trying to manufacture convictions. They were lying
to the public, they lied to the court, they lied
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to the judge. I mean, the story that we were
all fed between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four about
Donald Trump is an outright lie, everything about it. And
I was President Trump's custodian of record from formar a
lago during all of that. I was a staff attorney
and brought into be a witness in this case. And
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it is night and day what actually happened. One of
the things that I think wasn't reported well. And this
is what you were talking about the media basically being
an accomplice. This is what made me think of it
is that no one was really reporting that back in
twenty twenty two when the raid went down and when
they were all trying to say, oh, he was doing
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something weird with classified documents, which he wasn't. There was
never anything illegal about any of his activity or his
possession of the documents, whether they were classified or not.
As a complete red herring, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, he didn't he didn't hold his documents in
his garage. His open garage next to his ship is
cool yellow corvette. You mean he didn't pay that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Okay, he didn't do that, But quite honestly, even if
he had, I don't think that that was I don't
think that's the legal I mean, the presidential record for him,
because he was the president. The Presidential Records Act is
very clear that it's the president and only the president
who determines.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What he takes with him and what he leaves. And
Judicial Watch actually challenged that back in twenty twelve with
the Clinton administration and Amy Bourman Jackson, DC judge appointed
by Obama, said no, I mean it's the president. Nobody
else gets to tell the president what to do with
his records. And so the whole document's case was completely manufactured.
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And the part that wasn't covered well is everything was
done and directed from Washington, d C. Not Florida. And
everyone sees it as the Florida case because Jacksmith ultimately
brought the case in Florida. But at the time when
they were doing the investigation, all of the lead prosecutors
and everybody were in Washington, d C. The grand jury
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to get the original subpoena was in Washington, d C.
I lived in Florida, worked in Florida, met with the
President of Florida. I met with DOJ and the FBI
two months prior to the raid in Florida. All my
discussions were in Florida. Everything took place in Florida. Yet
when I got subpoena to testify, and when I had to,
you know, go to the FBI and Department of Justice
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to get interrogated, I had to come to Washington, d C.
To do that. They were trying to create like a
Hillary Clinton espionage scandal surrounding Donald Trump to prosecute him
for it. But at the end of the day, they
could not even get probable cause for a crime in DC.
To get an indictment in Washington, d C. I mean,
we all know the saying you can indict a ham sandwich.
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They couldn't even get that for Donald Trump. So now
you have the whole world staring at them, going, so,
why the heck did you raid mar Alago? So they
had to move the case down to Florida to create
like an obstruction of justice case that everybody knew was
never going to go anywhere. Donald Trump was in lawful
possession of everything. It was going to get thrown out.
But they had to do it to cover their tracks.
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Basically because they had already raided mar Alago. They were
convinced that if they could just get into mar A
Lago and go through everything, they'd be able to figure
out a way to frame him for a crime, and
they couldn't. He just didn't have anything. And so even
though the grand jury, all the testimony, everything was in Washington,
d C. They couldn't even present the issue to the
grand jury because there was no issue for them to present.
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So they shift gears, and you know, but that's not
something that the mainstream media will tell you. They won't
tell you. Oh, look, they failed to get an indictment
in Washington, d C. So they had to move to Florida.
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Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it's it's appalling on so many different levels, and
I think, ultimately, as I have seen as an investigative
reporter for many years investigating the tactics of the left,
the process is the punishment. I mean, ultimately, they wanted
to see President Trump go to prison. I don't doubt
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that for one minute. But what if they couldn't do that,
at least they could create the narrative with the help
of the accomplice media, that you know, the president is
a criminal and he's done something so terrible. Here speaking
of the tactics, you write in detail about what the
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FBI did at mar A Lago. We've heard and seen
some of the details, but you go into, you know,
exacting detail of some of the very public tactics. Everything
again done to show something that wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's exactly right. I've got the messages, the emails, all
of my dialogue, all my discussion with the Department of
Justice and FBI prior to and during the raid. I
give you all the dirty details, and I think people
will be appalled at how different the story is. It's
not the story that the media told you, you know,
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when they wanted you to believe that Donald Trump was
a criminal. So yeah, I've got it all in there.
I've got my conversations with the president in there. At
the end of the day, there just was no crime.
There absolutely was no crime, and they destroyed the lives
of really good people. I mean, he had they indicted.
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So they were trying to say, oh, he mishandled classified materials.
That's ultimately what they alleged. But Donald Trump never handled
any of the documents. They were in a storage room,
and so they had to rope in a couple staff
members to say that they handled documents and that they
mishandled documents at the direction of the president, And I
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mean they completely lied. They didn't have anything that President
Trump himself actually did, so they accused staff members of
doing it and destroyed their lives, gave them a criminal record.
I mean, it's just horrific what they did did to
people on that case. And then, like I said, I've
still got my case in Arizona that's still pending. So
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I mean it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It is disgusting. And the question comes up, and I
remember this, I talk often about this because it was
such a not only a horrible nefarious thing in Wisconsin
back beginning in twenty ten, and extending through about twenty
fifteen when the State Supreme Court came back in the
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nefarious John Doe investigation into then Governor Scott Walker and
his allies and generally the conservative movement in the state
of Wisconsin. It was ruled absolute on constitutional a sea
of wrongs that were committed by bureaucrats and district attorneys,
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Democrats all of course, and it was a blueprint for
what we have seen in the Trump era. It is remarkable.
But one of the questions that kept coming up after,
you know, the people who were involved in these sweeping investigations,
in illegal investigations were found out, the question was where
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do these people go to get their reputations back? And
I ask you, where do you go and tell us
a little bit about your experience? Is what is it? Arizona?
All of these this this bogus, as the accomplished media
called it, fake elector alternate elector, which is an absolute
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you know, it's a real thing. It's a legal strategy
that it's not only been used in recent years. It
was used during the Kennedy Nixon election of nineteen sixty
and it was called for in the election of two
thousand by Gore's attorneys. But tell us a little bit
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about that in the lawfair that you've experienced.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's horrific. The media, as you said,
they deubbed it fake electors. There's nothing fake about it.
All of these people were legitimate. They were elected or appointed,
depending on their state, to serve as Trump electors, and
they were legitimate, certified electors. The question became whether they
were supposed to be casting their vote for President Trump
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on December fourteenth, twenty twenty, and the answers they had
a legal responsibility to do so because in all of
these states it was still in question, there were still
lawsuits pending that could have changed the outcome of the election,
and as a result, they needed to have their ballots
cast December fifteenth. I'm sorry, December fourteenth, because that's what
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the law requires. The Electoral Account Act requires that the
electors cast their vote on December fourteenth. So if they
had waited and then Donald Trump won, there would be
no legally certifiable ballot to cast on January sixth to Congress.
And so all of these cases were created in anticipation
of litigation, and everybody was forthright and honest about it.
I mean nothing was hidden. It was all over the news.
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I mean, everybody knew what was going on. You know.
The idea that somehow these electors were like trying to
trick or deceive anybody is It's crazy. My experience is
even weirder because I was not an elector, and I
was not an attorney advising the electors. I was a
reporter at the time, and I volunteered Rudy. Rudy Giuliani
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was doing the you know, the litigation challenges to the
election on behalf of the president, and I said, hey,
you know, I see all of your attorneys have abandoned you.
I'm a lawyer. If you need help, I'll volunteer for
you to support you and your litigation, which I did
from Washington, d C. I never went to any of
these states, at least at that time. I did later
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after the election was over, and you know, he brought
me on his team. But I never had anything to
do with electors. All I did was I was kind
of a point person for some of the litigation, just
because Rudy's hard to get ahold of, especially at that time.
But I never went to Arizona, at least at the
relevant time. I never went to Arizona. I never spoke
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with any of the electors about their status as an elector.
I never emailed anybody in Arizona. I had no contact
with the state whatsoever. But because I had been appointed
as the RNC Senior Council for Election Integrity for the
twenty twenty four election, the Arizona Attorney General thought I
would be a good person to rope into it because
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I was connected to Rudy Giuliani, and so she added
me to the indictment despite the fact that she had
no evidence of my involvement whatsoever. The only thing the
indictment says against me is that I was closely associated
with Rudy Giuliani, which I was, but not about any
of the elector stuff. I didn't even know about it
until they were executing their plan.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So so literally a crime by association.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, that's what they did. As a reporter, I was
a reporter, and they lied to the grand jury about me.
I mean they lied so many ways, which the indictment
has been thrown out because it was a piece of garbage,
and the judge said that she violated our constitutional rights.
So the indictment has been thrown out, but the case
is still open. The judge has not closed the case,
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which is very annoying. But anyway, yeah, I mean it's
a crime by association. And then they lied to the
grand jury. They told them I was a Trump attorney.
I was not at the time. I didn't become a
Trump attorney until twenty twenty two. And they yeah, they
told them that I went to Arizona. They told him
I went to Arizona to hand out ballot. They just
made up a whole story that doesn't have any basis
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in reality and said it to the grand jury. And
then the grand jury even said, well, we don't understand
what her role was about me specifically, they said, what
was Christina's role in this? And they said, oh, don't worry,
she was very deeply involved. So they basically said it
doesn't matter, just indict her anyway, and so they did.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, so people belong in prison. I mean, the abuse
of the system is disgusting. It's beyond the pale. And
these people they're not going to stop. They're going to
keep doing it. They're going to keep doing it until
they are held accountable.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Well, it is a prime example of exactly what we're
talking about here, and the fact that they will indeed
stop at nothing. You think about the people who have
sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, the very principles
that we're fighting for today in this Republic, as we
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have done for the last two hundred nearly two hundred
and fifty years. You know, this is part and parcel
of all of that. The book is called Defiant Inside
the mar A Lago Raid and the Left's Ongoing Law Fair,
written by Judicial Watch attorney Christina Bob, a former attorney
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to the Trump campaign. I should say you were you
were an attorney to the Trump campaign and you know
and represented others in you know, post twenty twenty election.
Senior counsel to the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity section.
We're going to get into election integrity as it was,
where it is, and where it is going coming up
(24:31):
in just a moment, but just you know a little
bit more on what you have experienced and what others.
A man I know and respect deeply, a man by
the name of Jim troopis a former judge in daan Towny, Wisconsin. Yeah,
I mean in the you know, in the bastion of Madison,
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the you know, the the liberal one of the liberal
capitals of the world. The attorney general in the state
of was a far left political climber in Josh call
Is trying to and has now for the better part
more than a year, has tried to prosecute Jim Troopis
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and others simply for doing what you were doing representing
the President of the United States in his legal battles
post twenty twenty election. And he has just been absolutely
dragged through on similar, similar issues that you're dealing with.
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What do you think about that? And not just Jim
Troopers but there are so many now still fighting for
their professional lives, fighting for their lives in general.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I mean, god, there's so much to that. Jim
Troopis man, he is a fighter. He's so great. Wisconsin
is one of the worst cases because Jim troopis one
he was on he was a judge and was on
the Wisconsin Bar Associated I think was the Bar Association.
He was on their ethics council. I mean, this guy,
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he is so pristine, he's great. He's a very good, trustworthy, honest,
former judge. He's wonderful, and he was kind of running
or you know, as the story goes, he was running
point in Wisconsin for the election challenges for twenty twenty
and he recognized that they needed these alternate slate of electors.
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So he went to Josh Call, the Attorney General of Wisconsin,
and said, hey, we're going to do this. I want
to get your approval beforehand, so that you understand what
we're doing and that you know there's no issues here.
Josh Call gave him approval. The attorney general back in
twenty twenty said yes, we understand what you need to do,
that's find go ahead and do it. And so he
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did that, and then four years later, excuse me in
him and the thing that's really disgusting about it is
he waited until after Donald Trump had won the twenty
twenty four election before they actually issued the indictment. It
was so petty and so like, we hate you, We
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just want to make your lives miserable. I mean, that's
what that was. He had approved the action, he said, yes,
it's appropriate, we understand you need to do it, go
ahead and do it, and then he indicted him. Anyway,
you know, four years later, after Donald Trump won the election,
just to kind of shove it in their face. I
mean it is Josh Call needs to be disbarred. He
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probably needs to be prosecuted. And I mean, it's just
a horrific, horrific thing. And then that's just Wisconsin. Michigan,
thankfully last week was just dismissed. But you have people
in Michigan. Georgia is still open. Despite the fact that
Fanny Willis is crashing and burning, the case is still open.
Those poor people are still paying their lawyers every month, having,
you know, racking up legal fees. Nevada and Arizona are
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also still open in addition to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia.
So yeah, they're just doing everything they can to destroy
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But at so many different turns we have seen courts
say I don't know what the crime is here. Obviously
you mentioned, you mentioned Michigan. You had again an attorney
general in Wisconsin his office while Jim Troopis and Ken
Chesebro We're going through defending their client. Donald Trump said, yeah,
(28:31):
it's absolutely I mean, this is something that's been done
before in terms of alternate electors, making sure that you
secure your position just in case you win your legal challenges,
which continued and continued after the election because they took
it to the Supreme Court. Nevada has their prosecution, you know,
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their bogus prosecution has suffered several setbacks. Arizona, as you mentioned,
that's in play. But you know there are all kinds
of problems with those cases. So what is it finally
going to take for these people to get their lives
back and to get justice.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, I think you're exactly right. I think people need
to be prosecuted. They need to be prosecuted, and this
whole scheme needs to be exposed because this was this
was a Democrat political operative, not operative operation. This was
a Democrat political operation to throw people in prison who
opposed their objectives for the purpose of chilling the political process.
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And we know that because they used they used the
same playbook in all of these states. Georgia was a
little bit different, but Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada all
brought in the same nonprofit. They used the same template
that this nonprofit set up that is funded and was
originally what is the word they use, an initiat. It
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was an initiative of the Democrat Attorney General's Association. So
you basically have the Democrat Attorney General's Association saying, Hey,
prosecute all our political opponents. This is what's going on.
It needs to be exposed. I mean, it just absolutely
needs to be exposed. And then people need to be
held accountable, meaning there needs to be prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No doubt, we'll see, time will tell. Of course, we've
lost I think at least I can speak for myself.
I've lost a great deal of faith in uh you
know that that leftist will ever truly be held accountable.
And I say that from from many, many years of
experience in reporting on these strategies and these tactics. It's
(30:38):
lawfare that's been going on forever. Let's talk about what
got us here. I suppose you know there was an
entire narrative crafted by leftist initiatives, by so called good
government groups on the left of voter so called voter
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rights groups, and of course the Democrats pushed it, and
so again their faithful servants in the accomplice media pushed
what really turned out to be the great lot that
the twenty twenty election was the most secure, as Ap wrote,
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in the history of this country. How they know that
was an interesting question that should have been asked at
the time, but we know better. It was anything but
the most secure election in this country. My editor in
chief at The Federalist, Molly Hemingway, wrote an outstanding book
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called Rigged, and it detailed everything that went down. But
you saw all of this firsthand. You reported on all
of this sort of thing. Twenty twenty was used to
initially and continues to be, to go after Donald Trump
and his allies. Where do things stand on that front now,
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five years later?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, I think I think it's fair to say that
people are coming around to the idea that hey, maybe
twenty twenty actually was stolen. I mean, back when I
was reporting on it, I was censored and silenced and
reprimanded for saying, hey, I think there was something wrong
with the election, and I mean you were just absolutely
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ostracized for saying it. So I think it's great now
that now a lot of people, I think, actually do realize, like, yeah,
I think twenty twenty was not right. So that part
is good. We have made some I mean, we've made
some progress in some states and then we've backpedaled in
(32:53):
other states, depending on if they're blue or I mean,
some blue states are now like California, just in between
the two went to all universal mail in ballots. I
mean mail in ballots are They're a joke. They're an
absolute joke. Not only not only the mail in ballots,
but we've got a lot of places, a lot of states,
a lot of counties using ballot on demand printers, meaning
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they can literally just print as many ballots as they
want and they leave them in the voting centers on
election day. So, oh, you messed up your ballot, Okay,
here's a new one, you know, and you just hand
them over. It's so unsecured. A lot of that needs
to be looked at. I think we need to do
away with mail in ballots. I think we need to
do away with ballot on demands. I think your ballot
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needs to be considered, you know, sacred, like it has
to have accountability, whether it's serial numbers or you know whatever,
whatever the process is. And I leave that to the
government leaders to figure it out. But there has to
be a process to to account for how many ballots
we have. Right now, we can't do it. I was
I was on the ground in the years an audit,
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and it was a mess. It was an absolute mess.
There were seven different types of bouts, not legally sanctioned.
They just were using different ballots just because if someone
walked in late or you know, for provisional ballots or
mail in ballots or same day ballots or same day
registration or you know whatever, they they just would print
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a new ballot with whatever. So I think we have
a long way to go with our election security. We're
making progress. I do blame Republicans that our elections are
not secure because we have the House, we have the Senate,
we have a majority of governors' houses, we have a
majority of Houses and senates in state leadership. There is
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absolutely no reason why we can't secure these elections. And
it's because the Republicans in Congress have refused to make
these changes. I mean, that's the bottom line. People cry
to me about Democrats want more ballot bots. Yeah, it's bad,
but we can fix that in the House and Senate,
and the Republicans are refusing to do so.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, that's a huge issue. When you have the reigns
of power, and you know you only have that at
the will of the people, as it should be. You
only have that for a window of time, and I
think Republicans in power have disappointed on many different aspects
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their window of opportunity, and that window is rapidly closing,
because before you know it, here comes twenty twenty six.
So as we look at the midterm elections with all
that you just said, and let's add in another huge
issue that we have reported on extensively at the Federalist
and that is non citizens, foreign nationals voting in our
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elections on our election. And again what you have is
the Democrats and the good so called good government groups
and the accomplice media saying, well that rarely ever happens.
First of all, it should never happen, and second of all,
(36:05):
if there's nothing rare about it. We have seen cases now,
including in New Hampshire where we have, you know, a
Secretary of State there that is at open war with
Donald Trump and the Trump administration now acknowledging that there
are non citizens on the voter rolls. Clearly, this is
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not going to be settled by Congress because they can't
get to any real substantive action on us. Where does
all of this go for twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question we have to quo.
I would love to see so many of these Republicans primary.
You know, we have to continue to fight through twenty
twenty six the same way we fought for twenty twenty four.
But I would strongly encourage people that live in Republican
communities primary somebody, you know, run for office, anything, but
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get rid of these Republicans that are obstructing because Democrats
are able to do what they do because Republicans aren't
pushing back on it. And so I think I think
we need to get rid of the weak Republicans, and
once we have strong Republicans in office, the Democrats will
quiet down. Democrats feel empowered when there's no one to
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check their power.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That's kind of like the trouble maker in the classroom,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Totally they're the bully.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and we've seen them bullying and bullying
over and over again. I want to go back to
mar A Lago for just a moment with some contemporaneously
interesting issues. John Bolton, it's your thoughts on John Bolton, who,
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you know, the the accomplished media has been up in
arms about how the you know, the raids on John
Bolton for his you know, the charges that he mishandled
documents post his position. What do you think of all
of that and where do you think that case is
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as it stands against what happened at mar Alago.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, now that case is very interesting and there are
some pretty stark differences between John Bolton's case and Donald Trump's.
The raid on mar A Lago. The first thing I
noticed about the John Bolton raid was that Cash Bettel
came out right away and said, Hey, we got a warrant.
We are rating John Bolton's residence. I mean it was
early in the morning that he made that announcement. And
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then the FBI's official spokesperson or whatever they put the
FBI itself put out a statement saying, we got a warrant,
we're executing it at John Bolton's. You know, Cash says
no one is above the law. That is very different
from what happened at mar A Lago. At Mar A Lago,
the FBI didn't say anything, The Department of Justice didn't
say anything. The raid was actually done in secret. It
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was very quiet all day. It took I don't know,
maybe ten plus hours all throughout the day. No flashing lights,
no sirens, no, none of that. Nobody could see what
was going on on the outside. It wasn't until Donald
Trump himself later in the evening, after the raid was over,
that Donald Trump put the statement out saying, hey, they're
raiding mar A Lago, and the Department of Justice and
(39:27):
FBI and Biden Whitehouse response was very weird. It signaled
to me that they thought they intended to keep the
raid quiet. They thought they could raid the president's home
and no one would find out about it, because if
you remember, for the next three days, the Biden White
House was going that is so weird. We have no
idea how mar Alago got raided. What I don't know
what happened. Remember that they played stupid for three days
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and it wasn't until Merritt Garland sheepishly took responsibility for it.
They didn't have a press statement ready, they weren't prepared
to tell the public what had happened. They genuinely believed
they could raid mar Lago without anyone knowing knowing. And
why those two approaches are very different, and why that's
significant is because cash Battel, this is what it appears
(40:11):
to me, right, Cash Battel had probable cause. He's got
a legitimate warrant. He didn't have to go to a
judge who accused himself weeks before for being conflicted like
they did in mar Lago. He had a legitimate warrant.
He's standing firm on his probable cause, and he is
not afraid of media scrutiny of what he's doing. That
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is very different from what happened in the Biden administration.
They were trying to hide it because they knew they
were not on solid ground for what they were doing,
and so they hid it and you know, fumbled when
they had to come up with an explanation, and then
the whole thing was fumbled. It was terrible and it
was a huge embarrassment to the entire Biden administration. But
(40:54):
to me, it looks like cash Btel's got very good
reason to do what he's doing. We haven't seen much
come out of it yet, so I'll be real curious
what they end up doing, but it looks like they
got something.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, very interesting. Again, a time will tell. By the way,
Joe Biden playing stupid is something he just simply could
not help for for many years in office. Of course,
final question for you, I appreciate the generosity of your
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time and the importance of your story, and that is
we talk about the necessary, the need to hold people accountable.
Will people like Jack Smith, Will people like quite frankly,
some of these judges involved and so many others in
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this American saga will on the left, Will they be
held accountable?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I sure hope so, I think so. It appears that
that's what Pam bondy ed Martin and Cash Bettel and
Dan Bongino. It looks like that's what they're trying to do.
You know, we've heard rumblings about grand juries being open,
which is great, Let's see some prosecutions. I'm hopeful right now.
You know, we're less than a year into this administration.
(42:17):
If you compare that to what Jack Smith did. Jack
Smith didn't bring his first indictment until June of twenty
twenty three, over halfway through the admin. So we have
a little bit of time, but not much. We you know,
we got we got to push it. So I'm hopeful,
I don't know, maybe by the end of the year
to see an indictment.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Well, shelsee a very compelling book, a very very important story.
Thanks to my guest today, Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob
A former attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to
the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity Section last year, and
author of Defiant Inside the mar A Lago Raid and
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the lefts ongoing law fair. You can purchase the book
anywhere great books are sold. You've been listening to another
edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior
elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.
Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I heard the fame, boy ser reason, and then it
faded away.
And we are back with another edition of the Federalist
Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections correspondent at The
Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge.
As always, you can email the show at radio at
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of course to the premium version of our website as well.
Our guest today is Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob former
attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to the Republican
National Committee's Election Integrity Section, and author of a powerful
new book, Defiant Inside the marl Lago Aid and the
(01:01):
lefts ongoing lawfare. The book details the links the left
will go to to maintain power, and a call to
action for Americans who refuse to let their country be
lost to tyranny. Christina, thank you so much for joining
us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled
to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Absolutely, this is, as I said, a powerful book about
the events of the last few years in this country
driven by absolute Trump derangement. Syndrome by a left that
is craven and absolutely entirely interested in regaining power and
(01:44):
now relevance in America. And this book, of course comes
out as we are dealing with the tragic assassination, the
awful of Charlie Kirk, a young man who has become
a conservative icon, not only a leader in free speech
(02:10):
and the conservative MAGA movement values, but an upstanding Christian
who lived his faith. I want to start there. Do
you believe, as you have experienced personally in all of this,
that the violence that we are seeing in America today,
the political violence that we are seeing against the right
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in America, is the natural outcrop of what we've seen
over the last several years what you've written about.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think that is the end goal.
They don't they being the left. And to be fair,
it's not truly accurate to divide us by left and right.
There's a lot of Republicans that are part of the problem,
but that's the easier way to do it. But it
started with censorship, right, They just didn't want us to
(02:59):
be able to say, and they tried to silence us,
and then they tried to bankrupt us with law fair.
I was part of the dominion lawsuits that thankfully that
was dismissed, but we've seen so many other people sued,
you know, into bankruptcy. They tried to defame us and
say we're crazy conspiracy theorists and you shouldn't believe anything
we say because we're weird. You know, that was basically
(03:21):
the message. And then they still not only could they
not stop us, but the Conservative I didn't even want
to call it a movement. I don't think anybody intended
for it to be a movement, but that's what it is.
The Conservative movement was so big and gaining in popularity
that they've resorted to murder. They tried to assassinate Donald Trump,
they did assassinate Charlie Kirk, and I mean they they're
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losing on every issue, on every policy issue, and they're
refusing to let go of power. They're refusing to have
a real democratic process, which is the voice of the people.
They they want to prevent us from securing our elections.
They want to allow illegals to vote. I mean, at
this point, you know, at this point, everything's out the window.
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All the rights and privileges that we have held. Dear
they're trying to eliminate them for well over half the
country just to try to solidify their power.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, it is troubling. And we think about in particular
President Donald Trump. You note, and I think you're absolutely correct.
I mean, in some ways, this is an absolute miracle
that he became, you know, historically speaking the Grover Cleveland
of the twenty first century, that he had a second term, because,
(04:42):
let's face it, they did everything they possibly could to
shut this man down, to take him out of politics.
They tried to illegally, unconstitutionally driving from the twenty twenty
four primary ballot. They tried to they did indict him,
they arrest him, they took mug shots of him, you know,
(05:09):
they ran kangaroo courts to convict him of bogus crimes,
and then they tried to kill him in a field
in Butler, Pennsylvania, July of twenty twenty four. Literally, they
will stop at nothing. But it is not just Donald Trump.
(05:30):
It is anyone who is considered an ally of Donald Trump.
And you're exactly were you were, and you live that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And that is I think what
is so important for people to understand today and I
think many people are waking up to this realization when
Donald Trump says, They're not after me, they're after you.
I'm just in the way. This is what he's talking about.
In my book Defiant Inside the Marloguo Rate and the
Left song Going Lawfair is all about that. President Trump
(06:00):
did the forward for it because and he says there,
he's like, I want everybody to know the story. This
is why he's doing what he's doing, because they come
after us. I'm still a criminal defendant as we cheet,
and they will destroy your life. They'll destroy your reputation,
they'll destroy your career, They'll do everything they can to
ruin you, just for power. And Donald Trump really is
(06:24):
the largest one holding them back, stemming that tide, giving
space for the rest of us to continue to push back. So,
I mean it is a miracle, I do. I mean, yeah,
I chalk it up to the grace of God, because
how he's still alive is a miracle. And the fact
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that we were able to secure the election enough. I
don't by any mean think it was secure, but it
was a heck of a lot better than twenty twenty
to get him back in office. And I mean, this
is This is an incredibly, incredibly important fight and what
they're doing, and this is what the regular media, the
mainstream media, is not actually reporting on. So I thank
(07:06):
you for allowing me to use your platform. They're not
telling you the stories of everyday Americans. I have friends
that have lost homes because they can't pay their legal
bills and their home. I have friends that have lost
their families, their marriages because the pressure of the legal
bills and the accusations, and then you know, family members
questioning whether the accusations are true or not, so they
(07:28):
lose their families. I mean, they're just they're intentionally destroying
people's lives because they can't win on policy. And Americans
need to understand that Donald Trump has got to clean
this out this term, and we have to have a
strong enough backbone to allow him to do that. And
the way he does that is by prosecuting these people.
(07:49):
And you mentioned this just a few minutes ago. They
have demonstrated that they are not going to stop unless
they are stopped, and that's what we need Donald Trump
to do. We need Donald Trump to stop them from
this crazy rampage that they're on. And the way you
do it is a couple very good, well placed indictments
and prosecutions. I'm not saying I have to prosecute everybody.
(08:12):
I would very much love to put all of this
law fair behind us. And I don't believe that any
lawsuits or prosecutions aimed at the people actually committing crimes
is lawfair. That's actually the proper use of the justice system.
But we have to allow that to play out because
it's the only it's the only way they'll stop. They're
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not stopping at anything else. They're not stopping when they're
exposed as frauds. They just continue to lie and so
they I mean, someone need to stand up in jail.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Indeed, and in the backdrop of all of this, we
saw this, particularly in the twenty twenty four election. You
say the mainstream media, I don't think there's anything mainstream
about them. I think they're the accomplice media. I think
they're right propagan depress, the prov depress if you really
want to look at this, because they represent the Marxist
movement in America, which has become the Democratic Party. They're
(09:05):
the public relations firm for the Democratic Party. All of
that said, in context, they are the same media, the
same corporate media that has pushed the absolute and it
turns out ultimately violent lie that Donald Trump is akin
to Adolph Hitler, a Nazi, the Republicans in this country
(09:30):
that Donald Trump, and I say, the Conservatives, the true
maga conservatives in this country, that they're the real threat
to democracy. But your lived experience and the reporting the
remind us of recent history, I think really shows us
where the real threat to democracy is. And isn't that
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absolutely at the center of your book to sound an
alarm to let everyone know that, yes, there is a
threat to democracy. It's the lawfare that's going on from
the left. It is, you know, everything they are doing
to stop duly elected you know, public officials from doing
(10:15):
their job.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right, Yeah, no, I mean that's exactly right. So the
book takes you behind the scenes of all of the
Jack Smith investigations, which I mean, there's so much to
unravel about. As you were talking about earlier, they brought
these kangaroo courts trying to manufacture convictions. They were lying
to the public, they lied to the court, they lied
(10:38):
to the judge. I mean, the story that we were
all fed between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four about
Donald Trump is an outright lie, everything about it. And
I was President Trump's custodian of record from formar a
lago during all of that. I was a staff attorney
and brought into be a witness in this case. And
(11:02):
it is night and day what actually happened. One of
the things that I think wasn't reported well. And this
is what you were talking about the media basically being
an accomplice. This is what made me think of it
is that no one was really reporting that back in
twenty twenty two when the raid went down and when
they were all trying to say, oh, he was doing
(11:22):
something weird with classified documents, which he wasn't. There was
never anything illegal about any of his activity or his
possession of the documents, whether they were classified or not.
As a complete red herring, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, he didn't he didn't hold his documents in
his garage. His open garage next to his ship is
cool yellow corvette. You mean he didn't pay that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Okay, he didn't do that, But quite honestly, even if
he had, I don't think that that was I don't
think that's the legal I mean, the presidential record for him,
because he was the president. The Presidential Records Act is
very clear that it's the president and only the president
who determines.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What he takes with him and what he leaves. And
Judicial Watch actually challenged that back in twenty twelve with
the Clinton administration and Amy Bourman Jackson, DC judge appointed
by Obama, said no, I mean it's the president. Nobody
else gets to tell the president what to do with
his records. And so the whole document's case was completely manufactured.
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And the part that wasn't covered well is everything was
done and directed from Washington, d C. Not Florida. And
everyone sees it as the Florida case because Jacksmith ultimately
brought the case in Florida. But at the time when
they were doing the investigation, all of the lead prosecutors
and everybody were in Washington, d C. The grand jury
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to get the original subpoena was in Washington, d C.
I lived in Florida, worked in Florida, met with the
President of Florida. I met with DOJ and the FBI
two months prior to the raid in Florida. All my
discussions were in Florida. Everything took place in Florida. Yet
when I got subpoena to testify, and when I had to,
you know, go to the FBI and Department of Justice
(13:03):
to get interrogated, I had to come to Washington, d C.
To do that. They were trying to create like a
Hillary Clinton espionage scandal surrounding Donald Trump to prosecute him
for it. But at the end of the day, they
could not even get probable cause for a crime in DC.
To get an indictment in Washington, d C. I mean,
we all know the saying you can indict a ham sandwich.
(13:24):
They couldn't even get that for Donald Trump. So now
you have the whole world staring at them, going, so,
why the heck did you raid mar Alago? So they
had to move the case down to Florida to create
like an obstruction of justice case that everybody knew was
never going to go anywhere. Donald Trump was in lawful
possession of everything. It was going to get thrown out.
But they had to do it to cover their tracks.
(13:46):
Basically because they had already raided mar Alago. They were
convinced that if they could just get into mar A
Lago and go through everything, they'd be able to figure
out a way to frame him for a crime, and
they couldn't. He just didn't have anything. And so even
though the grand jury, all the testimony, everything was in Washington,
d C. They couldn't even present the issue to the
grand jury because there was no issue for them to present.
(14:09):
So they shift gears, and you know, but that's not
something that the mainstream media will tell you. They won't
tell you. Oh, look, they failed to get an indictment
in Washington, d C. So they had to move to Florida.
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Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it's it's appalling on so many different levels, and
I think, ultimately, as I have seen as an investigative
reporter for many years investigating the tactics of the left,
the process is the punishment. I mean, ultimately, they wanted
to see President Trump go to prison. I don't doubt
(15:17):
that for one minute. But what if they couldn't do that,
at least they could create the narrative with the help
of the accomplice media, that you know, the president is
a criminal and he's done something so terrible. Here speaking
of the tactics, you write in detail about what the
(15:39):
FBI did at mar A Lago. We've heard and seen
some of the details, but you go into, you know,
exacting detail of some of the very public tactics. Everything
again done to show something that wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's exactly right. I've got the messages, the emails, all
of my dialogue, all my discussion with the Department of
Justice and FBI prior to and during the raid. I
give you all the dirty details, and I think people
will be appalled at how different the story is. It's
not the story that the media told you, you know,
(16:18):
when they wanted you to believe that Donald Trump was
a criminal. So yeah, I've got it all in there.
I've got my conversations with the president in there. At
the end of the day, there just was no crime.
There absolutely was no crime, and they destroyed the lives
of really good people. I mean, he had they indicted.
(16:38):
So they were trying to say, oh, he mishandled classified materials.
That's ultimately what they alleged. But Donald Trump never handled
any of the documents. They were in a storage room,
and so they had to rope in a couple staff
members to say that they handled documents and that they
mishandled documents at the direction of the president, And I
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mean they completely lied. They didn't have anything that President
Trump himself actually did, so they accused staff members of
doing it and destroyed their lives, gave them a criminal record.
I mean, it's just horrific what they did did to
people on that case. And then, like I said, I've
still got my case in Arizona that's still pending. So
(17:22):
I mean it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It is disgusting. And the question comes up, and I
remember this, I talk often about this because it was
such a not only a horrible nefarious thing in Wisconsin
back beginning in twenty ten, and extending through about twenty
fifteen when the State Supreme Court came back in the
(17:45):
nefarious John Doe investigation into then Governor Scott Walker and
his allies and generally the conservative movement in the state
of Wisconsin. It was ruled absolute on constitutional a sea
of wrongs that were committed by bureaucrats and district attorneys,
(18:09):
Democrats all of course, and it was a blueprint for
what we have seen in the Trump era. It is remarkable.
But one of the questions that kept coming up after,
you know, the people who were involved in these sweeping investigations,
in illegal investigations were found out, the question was where
(18:33):
do these people go to get their reputations back? And
I ask you, where do you go and tell us
a little bit about your experience? Is what is it? Arizona?
All of these this this bogus, as the accomplished media
called it, fake elector alternate elector, which is an absolute
(18:55):
you know, it's a real thing. It's a legal strategy
that it's not only been used in recent years. It
was used during the Kennedy Nixon election of nineteen sixty
and it was called for in the election of two
thousand by Gore's attorneys. But tell us a little bit
(19:15):
about that in the lawfair that you've experienced.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's horrific. The media, as you said,
they deubbed it fake electors. There's nothing fake about it.
All of these people were legitimate. They were elected or appointed,
depending on their state, to serve as Trump electors, and
they were legitimate, certified electors. The question became whether they
were supposed to be casting their vote for President Trump
(19:41):
on December fourteenth, twenty twenty, and the answers they had
a legal responsibility to do so because in all of
these states it was still in question, there were still
lawsuits pending that could have changed the outcome of the election,
and as a result, they needed to have their ballots
cast December fifteenth. I'm sorry, December fourteenth, because that's what
(20:03):
the law requires. The Electoral Account Act requires that the
electors cast their vote on December fourteenth. So if they
had waited and then Donald Trump won, there would be
no legally certifiable ballot to cast on January sixth to Congress.
And so all of these cases were created in anticipation
of litigation, and everybody was forthright and honest about it.
I mean nothing was hidden. It was all over the news.
(20:25):
I mean, everybody knew what was going on. You know.
The idea that somehow these electors were like trying to
trick or deceive anybody is It's crazy. My experience is
even weirder because I was not an elector, and I
was not an attorney advising the electors. I was a
reporter at the time, and I volunteered Rudy. Rudy Giuliani
(20:47):
was doing the you know, the litigation challenges to the
election on behalf of the president, and I said, hey,
you know, I see all of your attorneys have abandoned you.
I'm a lawyer. If you need help, I'll volunteer for
you to support you and your litigation, which I did
from Washington, d C. I never went to any of
these states, at least at that time. I did later
(21:07):
after the election was over, and you know, he brought
me on his team. But I never had anything to
do with electors. All I did was I was kind
of a point person for some of the litigation, just
because Rudy's hard to get ahold of, especially at that time.
But I never went to Arizona, at least at the
relevant time. I never went to Arizona. I never spoke
(21:28):
with any of the electors about their status as an elector.
I never emailed anybody in Arizona. I had no contact
with the state whatsoever. But because I had been appointed
as the RNC Senior Council for Election Integrity for the
twenty twenty four election, the Arizona Attorney General thought I
would be a good person to rope into it because
(21:50):
I was connected to Rudy Giuliani, and so she added
me to the indictment despite the fact that she had
no evidence of my involvement whatsoever. The only thing the
indictment says against me is that I was closely associated
with Rudy Giuliani, which I was, but not about any
of the elector stuff. I didn't even know about it
until they were executing their plan.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So so literally a crime by association.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, that's what they did. As a reporter, I was
a reporter, and they lied to the grand jury about me.
I mean they lied so many ways, which the indictment
has been thrown out because it was a piece of garbage,
and the judge said that she violated our constitutional rights.
So the indictment has been thrown out, but the case
is still open. The judge has not closed the case,
(22:33):
which is very annoying. But anyway, yeah, I mean it's
a crime by association. And then they lied to the
grand jury. They told them I was a Trump attorney.
I was not at the time. I didn't become a
Trump attorney until twenty twenty two. And they yeah, they
told them that I went to Arizona. They told him
I went to Arizona to hand out ballot. They just
made up a whole story that doesn't have any basis
(22:54):
in reality and said it to the grand jury. And
then the grand jury even said, well, we don't understand
what her role was about me specifically, they said, what
was Christina's role in this? And they said, oh, don't worry,
she was very deeply involved. So they basically said it
doesn't matter, just indict her anyway, and so they did.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, so people belong in prison. I mean, the abuse
of the system is disgusting. It's beyond the pale. And
these people they're not going to stop. They're going to
keep doing it. They're going to keep doing it until
they are held accountable.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Well, it is a prime example of exactly what we're
talking about here, and the fact that they will indeed
stop at nothing. You think about the people who have
sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, the very principles
that we're fighting for today in this Republic, as we
(23:50):
have done for the last two hundred nearly two hundred
and fifty years. You know, this is part and parcel
of all of that. The book is called Defiant Inside
the mar A Lago Raid and the Left's Ongoing Law Fair,
written by Judicial Watch attorney Christina Bob, a former attorney
(24:10):
to the Trump campaign. I should say you were you
were an attorney to the Trump campaign and you know
and represented others in you know, post twenty twenty election.
Senior counsel to the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity section.
We're going to get into election integrity as it was,
where it is, and where it is going coming up
(24:31):
in just a moment, but just you know a little
bit more on what you have experienced and what others.
A man I know and respect deeply, a man by
the name of Jim troopis a former judge in daan Towny, Wisconsin. Yeah,
I mean in the you know, in the bastion of Madison,
(24:51):
the you know, the the liberal one of the liberal
capitals of the world. The attorney general in the state
of was a far left political climber in Josh call
Is trying to and has now for the better part
more than a year, has tried to prosecute Jim Troopis
(25:16):
and others simply for doing what you were doing representing
the President of the United States in his legal battles
post twenty twenty election. And he has just been absolutely
dragged through on similar, similar issues that you're dealing with.
(25:39):
What do you think about that? And not just Jim
Troopers but there are so many now still fighting for
their professional lives, fighting for their lives in general.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I mean, god, there's so much to that. Jim
Troopis man, he is a fighter. He's so great. Wisconsin
is one of the worst cases because Jim troopis one
he was on he was a judge and was on
the Wisconsin Bar Associated I think was the Bar Association.
He was on their ethics council. I mean, this guy,
(26:10):
he is so pristine, he's great. He's a very good, trustworthy, honest,
former judge. He's wonderful, and he was kind of running
or you know, as the story goes, he was running
point in Wisconsin for the election challenges for twenty twenty
and he recognized that they needed these alternate slate of electors.
(26:33):
So he went to Josh Call, the Attorney General of Wisconsin,
and said, hey, we're going to do this. I want
to get your approval beforehand, so that you understand what
we're doing and that you know there's no issues here.
Josh Call gave him approval. The attorney general back in
twenty twenty said yes, we understand what you need to do,
that's find go ahead and do it. And so he
(26:55):
did that, and then four years later, excuse me in
him and the thing that's really disgusting about it is
he waited until after Donald Trump had won the twenty
twenty four election before they actually issued the indictment. It
was so petty and so like, we hate you, We
(27:16):
just want to make your lives miserable. I mean, that's
what that was. He had approved the action, he said, yes,
it's appropriate, we understand you need to do it, go
ahead and do it, and then he indicted him. Anyway,
you know, four years later, after Donald Trump won the election,
just to kind of shove it in their face. I
mean it is Josh Call needs to be disbarred. He
(27:37):
probably needs to be prosecuted. And I mean, it's just
a horrific, horrific thing. And then that's just Wisconsin. Michigan,
thankfully last week was just dismissed. But you have people
in Michigan. Georgia is still open. Despite the fact that
Fanny Willis is crashing and burning, the case is still open.
Those poor people are still paying their lawyers every month, having,
you know, racking up legal fees. Nevada and Arizona are
(28:01):
also still open in addition to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia.
So yeah, they're just doing everything they can to destroy
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But at so many different turns we have seen courts
say I don't know what the crime is here. Obviously
you mentioned, you mentioned Michigan. You had again an attorney
general in Wisconsin his office while Jim Troopis and Ken
Chesebro We're going through defending their client. Donald Trump said, yeah,
(28:31):
it's absolutely I mean, this is something that's been done
before in terms of alternate electors, making sure that you
secure your position just in case you win your legal challenges,
which continued and continued after the election because they took
it to the Supreme Court. Nevada has their prosecution, you know,
(28:53):
their bogus prosecution has suffered several setbacks. Arizona, as you mentioned,
that's in play. But you know there are all kinds
of problems with those cases. So what is it finally
going to take for these people to get their lives
back and to get justice.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, I think you're exactly right. I think people need
to be prosecuted. They need to be prosecuted, and this
whole scheme needs to be exposed because this was this
was a Democrat political operative, not operative operation. This was
a Democrat political operation to throw people in prison who
opposed their objectives for the purpose of chilling the political process.
(29:39):
And we know that because they used they used the
same playbook in all of these states. Georgia was a
little bit different, but Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada all
brought in the same nonprofit. They used the same template
that this nonprofit set up that is funded and was
originally what is the word they use, an initiat. It
(30:00):
was an initiative of the Democrat Attorney General's Association. So
you basically have the Democrat Attorney General's Association saying, Hey,
prosecute all our political opponents. This is what's going on.
It needs to be exposed. I mean, it just absolutely
needs to be exposed. And then people need to be
held accountable, meaning there needs to be prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No doubt, we'll see, time will tell. Of course, we've
lost I think at least I can speak for myself.
I've lost a great deal of faith in uh you
know that that leftist will ever truly be held accountable.
And I say that from from many, many years of
experience in reporting on these strategies and these tactics. It's
(30:38):
lawfare that's been going on forever. Let's talk about what
got us here. I suppose you know there was an
entire narrative crafted by leftist initiatives, by so called good
government groups on the left of voter so called voter
(31:01):
rights groups, and of course the Democrats pushed it, and
so again their faithful servants in the accomplice media pushed
what really turned out to be the great lot that
the twenty twenty election was the most secure, as Ap wrote,
(31:21):
in the history of this country. How they know that
was an interesting question that should have been asked at
the time, but we know better. It was anything but
the most secure election in this country. My editor in
chief at The Federalist, Molly Hemingway, wrote an outstanding book
(31:43):
called Rigged, and it detailed everything that went down. But
you saw all of this firsthand. You reported on all
of this sort of thing. Twenty twenty was used to
initially and continues to be, to go after Donald Trump
and his allies. Where do things stand on that front now,
(32:07):
five years later?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, I think I think it's fair to say that
people are coming around to the idea that hey, maybe
twenty twenty actually was stolen. I mean, back when I
was reporting on it, I was censored and silenced and
reprimanded for saying, hey, I think there was something wrong
with the election, and I mean you were just absolutely
(32:32):
ostracized for saying it. So I think it's great now
that now a lot of people, I think, actually do realize, like, yeah,
I think twenty twenty was not right. So that part
is good. We have made some I mean, we've made
some progress in some states and then we've backpedaled in
(32:53):
other states, depending on if they're blue or I mean,
some blue states are now like California, just in between
the two went to all universal mail in ballots. I
mean mail in ballots are They're a joke. They're an
absolute joke. Not only not only the mail in ballots,
but we've got a lot of places, a lot of states,
a lot of counties using ballot on demand printers, meaning
(33:15):
they can literally just print as many ballots as they
want and they leave them in the voting centers on
election day. So, oh, you messed up your ballot, Okay,
here's a new one, you know, and you just hand
them over. It's so unsecured. A lot of that needs
to be looked at. I think we need to do
away with mail in ballots. I think we need to
do away with ballot on demands. I think your ballot
(33:36):
needs to be considered, you know, sacred, like it has
to have accountability, whether it's serial numbers or you know whatever,
whatever the process is. And I leave that to the
government leaders to figure it out. But there has to
be a process to to account for how many ballots
we have. Right now, we can't do it. I was
I was on the ground in the years an audit,
(33:56):
and it was a mess. It was an absolute mess.
There were seven different types of bouts, not legally sanctioned.
They just were using different ballots just because if someone
walked in late or you know, for provisional ballots or
mail in ballots or same day ballots or same day
registration or you know whatever, they they just would print
(34:18):
a new ballot with whatever. So I think we have
a long way to go with our election security. We're
making progress. I do blame Republicans that our elections are
not secure because we have the House, we have the Senate,
we have a majority of governors' houses, we have a
majority of Houses and senates in state leadership. There is
(34:39):
absolutely no reason why we can't secure these elections. And
it's because the Republicans in Congress have refused to make
these changes. I mean, that's the bottom line. People cry
to me about Democrats want more ballot bots. Yeah, it's bad,
but we can fix that in the House and Senate,
and the Republicans are refusing to do so.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, that's a huge issue. When you have the reigns
of power, and you know you only have that at
the will of the people, as it should be. You
only have that for a window of time, and I
think Republicans in power have disappointed on many different aspects
(35:21):
their window of opportunity, and that window is rapidly closing,
because before you know it, here comes twenty twenty six.
So as we look at the midterm elections with all
that you just said, and let's add in another huge
issue that we have reported on extensively at the Federalist
and that is non citizens, foreign nationals voting in our
(35:45):
elections on our election. And again what you have is
the Democrats and the good so called good government groups
and the accomplice media saying, well that rarely ever happens.
First of all, it should never happen, and second of all,
(36:05):
if there's nothing rare about it. We have seen cases now,
including in New Hampshire where we have, you know, a
Secretary of State there that is at open war with
Donald Trump and the Trump administration now acknowledging that there
are non citizens on the voter rolls. Clearly, this is
(36:30):
not going to be settled by Congress because they can't
get to any real substantive action on us. Where does
all of this go for twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question we have to quo.
I would love to see so many of these Republicans primary.
You know, we have to continue to fight through twenty
twenty six the same way we fought for twenty twenty four.
But I would strongly encourage people that live in Republican
communities primary somebody, you know, run for office, anything, but
(37:05):
get rid of these Republicans that are obstructing because Democrats
are able to do what they do because Republicans aren't
pushing back on it. And so I think I think
we need to get rid of the weak Republicans, and
once we have strong Republicans in office, the Democrats will
quiet down. Democrats feel empowered when there's no one to
(37:28):
check their power.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That's kind of like the trouble maker in the classroom,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Totally they're the bully.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and we've seen them bullying and bullying
over and over again. I want to go back to
mar A Lago for just a moment with some contemporaneously
interesting issues. John Bolton, it's your thoughts on John Bolton, who,
(37:58):
you know, the the accomplished media has been up in
arms about how the you know, the raids on John
Bolton for his you know, the charges that he mishandled
documents post his position. What do you think of all
of that and where do you think that case is
(38:20):
as it stands against what happened at mar Alago.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, now that case is very interesting and there are
some pretty stark differences between John Bolton's case and Donald Trump's.
The raid on mar A Lago. The first thing I
noticed about the John Bolton raid was that Cash Bettel
came out right away and said, Hey, we got a warrant.
We are rating John Bolton's residence. I mean it was
early in the morning that he made that announcement. And
(38:45):
then the FBI's official spokesperson or whatever they put the
FBI itself put out a statement saying, we got a warrant,
we're executing it at John Bolton's. You know, Cash says
no one is above the law. That is very different
from what happened at mar A Lago. At Mar A Lago,
the FBI didn't say anything, The Department of Justice didn't
say anything. The raid was actually done in secret. It
(39:05):
was very quiet all day. It took I don't know,
maybe ten plus hours all throughout the day. No flashing lights,
no sirens, no, none of that. Nobody could see what
was going on on the outside. It wasn't until Donald
Trump himself later in the evening, after the raid was over,
that Donald Trump put the statement out saying, hey, they're
raiding mar A Lago, and the Department of Justice and
(39:27):
FBI and Biden Whitehouse response was very weird. It signaled
to me that they thought they intended to keep the
raid quiet. They thought they could raid the president's home
and no one would find out about it, because if
you remember, for the next three days, the Biden White
House was going that is so weird. We have no
idea how mar Alago got raided. What I don't know
what happened. Remember that they played stupid for three days
(39:50):
and it wasn't until Merritt Garland sheepishly took responsibility for it.
They didn't have a press statement ready, they weren't prepared
to tell the public what had happened. They genuinely believed
they could raid mar Lago without anyone knowing knowing. And
why those two approaches are very different, and why that's
significant is because cash Battel, this is what it appears
(40:11):
to me, right, Cash Battel had probable cause. He's got
a legitimate warrant. He didn't have to go to a
judge who accused himself weeks before for being conflicted like
they did in mar Lago. He had a legitimate warrant.
He's standing firm on his probable cause, and he is
not afraid of media scrutiny of what he's doing. That
(40:33):
is very different from what happened in the Biden administration.
They were trying to hide it because they knew they
were not on solid ground for what they were doing,
and so they hid it and you know, fumbled when
they had to come up with an explanation, and then
the whole thing was fumbled. It was terrible and it
was a huge embarrassment to the entire Biden administration. But
(40:54):
to me, it looks like cash Btel's got very good
reason to do what he's doing. We haven't seen much
come out of it yet, so I'll be real curious
what they end up doing, but it looks like they
got something.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, very interesting. Again, a time will tell. By the way,
Joe Biden playing stupid is something he just simply could
not help for for many years in office. Of course,
final question for you, I appreciate the generosity of your
(41:28):
time and the importance of your story, and that is
we talk about the necessary, the need to hold people accountable.
Will people like Jack Smith, Will people like quite frankly,
some of these judges involved and so many others in
(41:50):
this American saga will on the left, Will they be
held accountable?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I sure hope so, I think so. It appears that
that's what Pam bondy ed Martin and Cash Bettel and
Dan Bongino. It looks like that's what they're trying to do.
You know, we've heard rumblings about grand juries being open,
which is great, Let's see some prosecutions. I'm hopeful right now.
You know, we're less than a year into this administration.
(42:17):
If you compare that to what Jack Smith did. Jack
Smith didn't bring his first indictment until June of twenty
twenty three, over halfway through the admin. So we have
a little bit of time, but not much. We you know,
we got we got to push it. So I'm hopeful,
I don't know, maybe by the end of the year
to see an indictment.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Well, shelsee a very compelling book, a very very important story.
Thanks to my guest today, Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob
A former attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to
the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity Section last year, and
author of Defiant Inside the mar A Lago Raid and
(43:01):
the lefts ongoing law fair. You can purchase the book
anywhere great books are sold. You've been listening to another
edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior
elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.
Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I heard the fame, boy ser reason, and then it
faded away.
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