October 16, 2025 • 43 mins
On this episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Federalist managing editor Kylee Griswold chats with Washington Examiner senior writer and “You’re Wrong” co-host David Harsanyi about Trump’s peace deal in the Middle East. Plus, Kylee breaks down the moving Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony for Charlie Kirk and rants about her fellow Americans’ hellish Halloween “decor.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Charlie Kirk is awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Trump
initiates a historic peace deal in the Middle East, and
people fill their yards with the most morbid and criminally
tacky decor ever, because well it's October. All that and
more on the Kylie Cast. Hi, everybody, and welcome to
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the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold, Managing editor at The Federalist.
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to email the show, you can do so at radio
at the Federalist dot com. I would love to hear
from you. Earlier this week, we watched a beautiful ceremony
on what would have been Charlie Kirk's thirty second birthday.
President Trump honored Charlie, a true martyr, with the Presidential
Medal of Freedom, which is the highest civilian award in
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America and which is so fitting for someone who dedicated
his entire life to advocating for truth and freedom. In
an age increasingly hostile to both. Here were some of
the highlights.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Today we're here to honor and remember a fearless warrior
for liberty, beloved leader who galvanized the next generation like
nobody I've ever seen before, and an American patriot of
the deepest conviction, the finest quality, and the highest caliber,
the late Great Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Charlie Kirk was one of a kind. He was unstoppable
and he really was boy. When he had an idea
in his head. Oh, he would call me, sir, please,
you haven't done it yet, said Charlie. Relax, just relax.
He didn't relax it called me the next day again
it got it done. But he was like indomitable and
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always will be. He's really irreplaceable and nobody going to
replace him. But Charlie never missed an opportunity to remind
us of the Judeo Christian principles of our nation's founding,
or to share his deep Christian faith. In his final moments,
Charlie testified to the greatness of America and did the
glory of our Savior, with whom he now rests in heaven.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But probably the best part of the ceremony was Erica
Kirk's speech, not only because she continued to rip Trump
about loving our enemies.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Surprisingly enough, he did pray for his enemies, which is
very hard, but he did.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He did, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But Erica was the best part of the ceremony because
she so beautifully articulated what true freedom really means.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
The blessings of liberty are not man's invention, they are
God's endowment. Charlie lived for those blessings, not as abstract words,
but as sacred promises.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know, too many Americans don't view liberty this way.
Just a couple of months ago, you'll remember that Democrat
Senator Tim Kain ridiculously claimed that it was extremely troubling
for people to think that our rights, our freedoms come
from God rather than the government. Of course, Tim Kaine
has this completely backwards. It's right there on our nation's
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founding documents that are inalienable rights of life and freedom
are given to us by our creator. Our government is
there to help safeguard those pre existing rights, not to
grant them. But I think far too often Americans tend
to confuse what freedom even means, what freedom is actually for,
as if freedom itself is the end goal, you know,
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live free or die. We want freedom so we can
do whatever we want, no responsibility, no accountability, no duty,
nobody telling us what to do. And even Republicans and
of course libertarians, often view freedom as just freedom from
big government. I think when many people today talk about liberty,
what they really want is license, which has very clearly
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contributed to so many of our social ills. But despite
what Kamala Harris might say, freedom is not about being
unburdened from duty. It's freedom to duty, to responsibility, to
tradition and truth and honor. And often we see this
misunderstanding of freedom break down along party lines. You know,
when Democrats talk about freedom, they typically do so in
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reference to things like reproductive freedom or a woman's so
called freedom to choose, well, freedom to choose, What what
they really mean is license to kill, what's inconvenient, to abort,
license to nuke the consequences of their own actions. It's
freedom from responsibility. Or they talk about freedom and liberty
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for same sex couples to marry, well to what end
the continuation of the human race? Not the natural right
of children to have a mother and a father, not
the responsibility to be fruitful and multiply. What they really
mean is they want license from sexual norms. Meanwhile, when
true conservatives talk about freedom, they talk about things like
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freedom to keep and bear arms to what end well,
for self defense, to defend against tyranny. There's a duty
associated with that, a responsibility. Or we talk about things
like freedom of speech, well, why because, as Charlie Kirk said,
when people stop talking, bad things happen, we have a
responsibility to speak the truth. Or we talk about freedom
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of religion, why because we are duty bound to our
creator and we want to worship him freely as he commands.
These are all freedoms to something, not from it. Charlie
understood that, which brings me to an even more precious
part of Erica's speech, where she said this, to live
free is the greatest gift. To die free is the
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greatest victory. Charlie didn't just die free because he died
as a citizen of the United States of America, the
freest country on earth. Charlie died free because he died
a citizen of Heaven. His freedom didn't just come from
the courage and sacrifices of the founders or the bravery
of those who gave their lives in service to this country.
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It came from the sacrifice of his savior, Jesus Christ,
who took Charlie's sin upon himself on the cross and
in his resurrection secured Charlie's eternal freedom. And Charlie Kirk
would be the first one to tell you this. It's
such a privilege to watch Erica Kirk talk about this
eternal freedom, but especially when our president is watching and listening.
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Trump is seventy nine and no matter how sharp he is,
he is up there in years, and it seems increasingly
clear that he's been thinking about his own mortality and
the reality of the afterlife. Maybe it's because of Charlie.
Maybe it's because of his own brushes with death. I
don't know, but either way, Trump is thinking about die.
He's thinking about heaven, even if he's completely wrong about
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what it would take to get him there. And spoiler,
President Trump, it's not a historic peace deal in the
Middle East. It is just the Gospel, plain and simple,
And thanks to Erica Kirk and the other Christians in
Trump's orbit, he's hearing about the Gospel regularly. So Revan
being frustrated that Trump doesn't understand it yet, that he
still thinks it's about the good deeds. He does. Pray
for the president not just that he continues to fight
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for the great gift of living free in America, but
that he would surrender to the free gift of grace
that would empower him to one day actually die free,
just like Charlie. You know, it's really hard to believe
that it's been over a month since Charlie died. In
many ways, it feels like we heard about it yesterday,
and in other ways it feels like it's been years.
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And either way, it still doesn't feel real. Watching the
Medal of Freedom ceremony, I kept seeing the word posthumously
and it just made me incredibly sad, and it rekindled
so much of the anger I feel that's just kind
of been similar for the past month. But the event
was also a reminder of what's at stake, of what's
worth fighting for. We were reminded this week that Charlie's
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battle is over, but ours continues every day, and so
we fight all right. Next up, Trump truly seems to
be the peace president, and this week we have phase
one of a historic peace deal between Israel and Gaza
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hostages have been returned home. Truly, so many great things
happening in the Middle East. Here to join me to
discuss is David Harsani, my former on again, off again
colleague for a while now. He's a senior writer at
The Washington Examiner, co host of Your Wrong Here on
the Federalist. David, so great to see you.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's great to see you as well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, you bet, it's been a hot minute and it's
great to talk to us. So, David, you are way
more of an expert on all things related to the
Middle East and Israel Gaza relations, all the history there.
So can you just give for people maybe who aren't
as tuned into what this peace plan entails, what the
war between Israel and Hamas has looked like for the
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past couple of years, just kind of give them a
broad thirty thousand foot view of the peace plan and
what phase we're in, what it's looking like.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Well, we're in phase one where Hamas returns the living
hostages twenty of them, which they have been returned, and
then returns a bunch of you know, unfortunately dead bodies,
and they have not done that. So we're they're in
the process. We don't know exactly where it is. The
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long view is that October seventh happened. Everyone knows, But
the war is really not the Gaza Israeli wars. A
lot of people think it's a war against the Iran
and Israel. There are about, you know, a forefront proxy
fight with Lebanon, initially in Syria, with the Iron with
the Hutis, with Hamas, and Israel I think has been
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incredibly successful in that war. I mean, his Balla fell,
the Asad regime is gone, the Iranians were embarrassed with
American help, their nuclear program has been set back many years,
maybe decades, and Hamas has been obliterated. But the thing
with Hamas was, you know, they hide within civilian populations,
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so obviously that makes it very difficult, and Israel had
to try to get back the hostages there were. There
was immense pressure within Israel to get back those people
for obvious reasons. We'd want to do the same, and
so I think what happened was after Israel, I'm sure
people know, bombed Qatar to try to kill Hamas's leaders.
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I think it was unsuccessful, but I think Qatar everyone
says cutter, I say, Qatar, I go old fashioned on
that one. Qatar simply realized sound.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Just like Trump when you said that, David, I hope
you know that everyone says this.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I say this China. So I think the Qatar realized
there could be a really deep price to pay for
continuing to prop up Hamas, and they've been their patron
for a long time. So Hamas was surrounded in Gaza City,
I don't think they had much of a choice, as
Rael was about to annihilate them. I mean, it's very
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difficult to kill all of them because they hide in
civilian populations. They're one of the only armies in the
world who take off their uniforms when wars start and
put them back on after. But it is an incredible achievement.
I think, considering how Hamas uses hostages, that Trump was
able to convince them to enter into the ceasefire deal.
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You know, the number one point in his twenty point
plan for Trump was that Gaza must deradicalize. I'm pretty
skeptical that's going to happen, but I do think he
set the table for something amazing in the sense that
I'm not sure what's going to happen in Gaza, but
Israel has hermetically sealed that place off. There's not going
to be any more October seventh. There's not a civ
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like border with Egypt where they can get missiles and
all the things that start serious trouble for Israel and others.
So you know, Gaza can turn into Somalia, right, But Gaza,
if they wanted to, and they've had this chance before
they can. The world wants to help them, they can
turn into a prosperous place if they want to choose that.
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That's a different story to talk about. But anyway, so
I think what people miss here or might miss, is
that when Trump went to Egypt to meet with all
these countries, Pakistan was there, Indonesia, the largest most populous Islamic,
you know, Muslim majority country in the world, Iraq, Turkey,
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he has essentially set the table for all these people
to concede or accept a plan that says that gazas
to deradicalize before we even start talking about other states
and stuff like that. So I think that's big. But
also October seventh, and Hamas admitted this was started because
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they wanted to undermine the Abraham accords with Trump, which
Trump had brought forth in you know, during his first term.
So I think that's going to get back on track,
you know. I mean, there are rumors that Indonesia might
be part of it. Obviously Saudi Arabia was going to
be part of it. I think there's this misconception that
Israel is at war with the Arabs. No, Israel has
peace with every soon the Arab country. It's war was
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with Iran. So these are big I think these are
big achievements for Donald Trump. There are so many clans
and tribes and ethnicities and religious you know, denominations and
all kinds of tensions in the Middle East, so you
never know what's going to happen. But I think there's
a better chance he set to the table for a
better chance for peace I think than has been the
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case there in a very very long time.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
As ever, And can you kind of speak to why,
why exactly you think that is? I mean, because there's
a lot of a lot of factors at play here,
right So you know, I'm hearing a lot of hope
that this is truly historic, that this is actually going
to be effective in ways that it hasn't been in
the past. But then also you know, when we talk
about the need for Gaza or Hamas to deradicalize, it's like, Okay,
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that's not exactly in their nature, that's not that's not
what you would expect absent serious interventions. And then even
even then not you know, we know polling on the
number of people in Gaza who were supportive of Hamas
and so like, even with the primary leadership of Hamas obliterated.
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You know, what, what reason is there to believe that
this ceasefire will be different than the ceasefire that was
in effect, you know, the two that were attempted to
be enacted since the October seventh attack, or even since
the ceasefire that was in effect right when October seventh happened, Like,
can you speak to some of the complicating factors here?
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But also why this is different? Seems different? Is it
just because of the cooperation of so many more in
the air world or what do you think it is?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I definitely think it's because of the cooperation and the
buy in from the Islamic world, Turkey, Egypt and all
of that. It's also different because Hamas is no longer
so in two thousand and five, or six. Israel gave
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autonomy to the Gozins in the Gaza strip. They pulled
out all Jewish people from there everyone else. They left
them with advanced farming equipment, all of this stuff. They
could have had a proto state there to begin with,
but instead they chose to bring in missiles, build tunnels,
all of that stuff. But that's over. That can't happen again, probably,
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so I think that that makes it a far more
you know, it lays the groundwork for for them to
perhaps be peaceful, especially because of the buying of the
Arab countries. They don't have Iran anymore, so Turkey and
Katar will be I think their patrons now and they
may push for a more peaceful resolution. At least that's
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the hope, and there seems to be some buy in.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, that makes sense. Can you explain a little bit
about the withdrawal plan. What it looks like that, you know,
Israel's controlling a little over fifty percent or not controlling,
that the IDF is in a little over fifty percent
right now of Gaza, but that they're going to progressively
withdraw What exactly does.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
That look like?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And can you just explain the strategy there, why it's
hopefully going to be effective or I guess think that's
going to work.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I don't know that. I don't know. I mean, I
think it's like a three phase to kind of pull out.
Israel's going to create some kind of buffer zone. I
think it's worth talking a little bit about this idea.
You know a lot of people talk about occupied territories
in Israel's occupation in this and that, So Gaza for
people who don't know. You know, so in nineteen forty eight,
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the Israelis had a state. They had to fight for it.
The Arabs could have had a state as well at
Palestinian's time, but they decided to start a war and
they lost. But Gazas from nineteen forty eight to nineteen
sixty seven was controlled by Egypt. It wasn't even occupied
by Israel. No one ever spoke about Palestinian states then,
because it's just kind of a concoction. But anyway, Israel
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when it won back that territory for military reasons in
nineteen sixty seven, like five minutes after that war was over,
they were trying to give it back. They have never
wanted to be there, they have been it has been
a big problem for them. They don't want to have soldiers,
you know, the in there. They don't. It's different than Jerusalem,
which they do want, which is contested. They do not
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want Gaza. They can't have a state there. If the
state there is going to have missiles a few minutes
away from population centers, right and to create a terrorist state,
no country would do that. So that's always been the
problem there. They tried to give them the state, as
I mentioned before, and they just simply couldn't even take
care of their own people without these realies. They don't
have clean water, they don't have electricity, they don't have anything.
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So I don't honestly know that the plan has you know,
I don't know what the plan is to make gaz
In self sufficient. They have so much. The Palestinians have
a lot of goodwill in the world. People are showering
them with a They've been showering them with eight forever.
I don't know how this works if Gazas, if Hamas
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is in control. But Gaza is also complex in the
way that if Hamas puts down their weapons, they might
be massacred by the other clans that hate them there.
So I don't honestly know what's going to happen. I
don't think Israel wants to go back, and I mean
I saw today Donald Trump says, if they don't disarm Hamas,
someone's going to go in and disarm them. I mean,
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it's always been trying to do that for years. You know.
That's why I said before. For me, the most interesting
and heartening part of this plan is the world buying
to give them a pathway towards peace. Doesn't mean it's
going to work, but the war's over, the hostages are back,
Israel's achieved, and from my view, this is good. Israel's
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achieved its war aims, and a lot of the Islamic
world seems like they want to just move on from this.
I think those are all very good things, and I
don't And I know that Donald Trump has kind of
blown up or sort of battered the foreign policy consensus
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that was prevalent here in the United States for so
many years. I mean, Jared Kushner has done more for
peace in the Middle East than the Brookings Institution and
has done in its entire existence. And you know, so
I think also on the flip side of that, you know,
you have this because of the failures of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I think there was an overcompensation the other way to say,
we should never get involved, we should never do anything.
We're always going to be dragged into, you know, World
War three, where it's the next Vietnam, it's the next
to Rock. Well, that didn't happen either. People out there
were scare mongering about that. What happened was America was
a force for good and peace and to get do
that sometimes you have to win a war where your
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allies have to win a war, and that's what happened.
So I think all of that's positive. I don't think
I answered your question at all, No, you did a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It really is heartening to watch how surgical some of
these strikes and plants have been, like the taking out
of the Iranian nukes, because I think Rachel Bovard has
written about this pretty well, just the DC blobs propensity
for war or just this sort of kinetic they want
kinetic action. And it's been so heartening because I think
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that's why people are so so ready for that and
so scared of that because of the you know, the
Bush era of governance, and it's been so cool to
watch a president who uses the power that he has,
goes in, you know, helps organize a surgical strike and
then just get gets right back out. It's It's a
big change and very refreshing.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
I'm curious, I mean, aside from the fact that he
was just a walking corpse, why why did none of
this get done under the Biden administration? I mean, was
it just a complete lack of will? Was it actual
disdain for Israel? Was it too much radicalism on the left,
like too many, too many warring factions even within the
party that there wasn't appetite for this, or that they
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didn't want to take off their you know, core constituencies
like why why did none of this get done? And
then Trump is in office for ten months, less than
ten months, and boom, we have we have a workable
peace plan.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, I think the factors that you mentioned, it's all
the above. Obviously, there's a growing contingent on the left
that just hates Israel. But going back to the Obama years,
you had an administration that wanted to lift Iran and
created this to create a kind of regional power that
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can be you know, a buffer against Israel in a
way offset Israel's power in the Middle East. But Israel
proved that it was far superior technologically militarily. What it
did to Hazbola, what it did to Iran before even
the bombing of the nuclear facilities was incredibly impressive. I mean,
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I think it has one of the best armies in
the world and best intelligence services, and that's what makes
them partly a very good ally to us. I mean,
I think there's an exceptionalism there and here, and I
think that's also why Trump likes and has affection for
I think part of why he has affection for them,
And I have to quickly just say there is immense
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affection for Donald Trump and Israel. I don't think that
any foreign leader has ever been as loved as Donald
Trump is an Israel In fact, I was telling Molly
Hemingway this, I don't think there's maybe any Israeli politician
that has ever been as beloved as Donald Trump is there.
Obviously they don't get the full Donald Trump every day experience,
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but I think he had a moral clarity to support
them in war and in peace. Anyway, from my perspective,
that's excellent. So yeah, he's beloved there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So maybe the full Donald Trump experience would make them
like him more. David, you don't know, you don't sure.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Maybe not. I mean, you know, if if the speech
he gave there reminded me a little bit of JFK
speaking in West Berlin in nineteen sixty three, because he
was this kind of rousing speech against that is just
has a lot of moral clarity. He he has a
view of Islamists, but he's not an ideologue in the
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sense that he's also open to making peace. I mean,
he opened the door for Iran to ap peace and
there is really no geopolitical reason for the United States
and Iran to be enemies. That's the truth. In fact,
there's no geopolitical reason for Israel aie On to be
at war. Before the you know, before the revolution in
seventy nine, they were friendly. It's an Islamic problem. Iron
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is run by Islamists and that's the biggest problem in
the Middle East right now. Peace could be had, and
I think he realizes that. And because he's not an ideologue,
because he's not a politician, because he didn't come up
through those channels, he sees this as deal making, not
as some kind of like you know. But he also
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sees the morality and he has a moral compass on
who's the wrong side of things. But he doesn't see
it in the way that a lot of DC blob
people see it. And I have to also say something
about Donald Trump. This works against him sometimes I think
it works for him. I mean, there's a lot you
can disagree with Donald Trump, but he's not the kind
of guy who's going to take on policies to please someone.
And he's not the kind of guy who takes on
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like he can be convinced. If you're the last guy
in the room, you might convince him to do something.
But he's not the type of guy who's going to
be pressured. So while France and Britain and Canada were
rewarding Hamas's barbarity by recognizing the Palestinian state, he could
not care less about the international community, you know, and
what they were pressuring him to do. And I think
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in Israelis who are very much like him, rough around
the edges a bit and very aggressive and very you know,
open about their feelings on things in the sense I
think you see, you know, he admires that kind of
thinking among them at least, this is what I think.
I think, you know, part of the reason why that
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relationship exists.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, it's just the art of the deal.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You can tell a lot about his the way that
he interacts with foreign nations by his UN speech, for instance,
his reason UN speech, which where he just torched everybody.
So yeah, the Knesset speech, you could just feel the
energy in the room. It was super palpable. And that
gets also to I mean, I don't see a Nobel
Prize in Trump's future, as the prize committee has made
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pretty clear, but I was interested to see that Netanyahu
has nominated Trump for the Israel Award, which I don't
know a whole lot about that award, but it seems
to be one of the highest honors you can receive
in Israel, and that Trump would be the first non
Israeli to receive the awards. So if that tells you
anything about how they feel about him over there, it's
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a good indicator. So and let's let's pivot to the
media a little bit, David, Because as the Israelis were
cheering for Donald Trump in Hostage Square, it gave me
such great joy to watch the life drain from Wolf
Blitzer's face as he had to talk about how many
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Maga hats he saw because the Israelis were cheering and
were so excited about Donald Trump. So the media coverage
has been a mix of horrific if you're a Christian,
I'm poor to being hilarious in their admissions that Trump
has done a great thing here. I'm curious what some
of the worst media coverage you've noticed has been.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Well in the Times and places like that. Of course
I think it's the worst, but it's been so bad
and dishonest, like wolf Blitzer or whoever's on CNN. Obviously
they've always and wolf Blitzer like started out as I
think he worked for Apak or something. He's a Zionist
and all that, but his for him to see Donald
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Trump do what others have promised to do forever, it
must hurt, right, it must hurt. It hurts to see Hitler.
Hitler be celebrated in Israel, right like the Jewish state.
So two things, actually, I actually want to take a
step back and talk a little bit about like the
ceasefire now protesters and all the people who who marched
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and and and you know, for free Palestine and all that.
None of them, none of them were happy. Most of
those politicians didn't even say anything when this happened. Then
they gave some perfunctory statement because their whole it was
never about to seize fire. It's about Israel losing. They
want to see the destruction of Israel. And the progressives
who work at the New York Times and other the
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Washington posts filled with them, who used a lot of
them were former Katari employees for Al Jazeera and so on.
They are propagandists. The Katari government itself is a huge
funder of art of institutions, schools, j schools, media, all
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of that, so you're never going to get a real
clear picture of what's gone on. And clearly Israel has
a lot of support in the United States. I think
that's because of the media propaganda, because of the massive
amount of money that that that chicoms and Katari's have have,
you know, thrown at the United States, at certain people
to create divisions, and because Israel didn't do a great
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job for itself because it's it's hard to defend yourself
when you're fighting a war, right and civilians are going
to die, and that's terrible, but it happens in every war. Again,
I'm way off topic, but I think the media is
part of that because I don't really treat they're not
really journalists for the most part anymore. They're often just activists.
So they're part of this activist class that spread the lie,
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the complete hoax that there was a genocide going on.
I don't know if you've seen the videos coming out
of there. I mean, they are the most healthy and
well fed, you know, victims of starvation in the world
has ever seen. And people like you know, jew baiters
and Jew haters like Mehdi Hassan who said it that
the Gaza think was worse than the Holocaust. You know,
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it's shameful and there'll be no reckoning for it and
no one will have to pay. But for me, this
is on board with like Russia collusion, the Brett Kavanaugh hoax,
with all the other hoaxes that have been perpetrated by
the media. And they're part of it. And the activists
are part of it, and the politicians, the Bernie Sanders,
Elizabeth with Warren's are part of it, and and the
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and the what's his name Zohara, Mom Donnie is part
of it. The only AMAS victory might be in Manhattan,
so we'll see in New York City coming up for selections.
So that's yeah true.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
By skinny arms, mom Donnie, Uh yeah, I mean Christianampoor
her she she said that the Israeli hostages were treated
better than the average Gosen. I mean, how crazy, how
much crazy propaganda do you have to be intaking and
spitting out to say something like that.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
That's just it's ridiculous. She's she's always been terrible. But
but but think about this, Why are Gozen suffering? Because
Gozen's not all of them, but many of them participated
in an attack on completely innocent civilians, raping, killing children,
taking hostages, and a war broke out. And during the
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in that war, Hamas builds. No, people don't like to
hear it. They build military installations under schools and buildings,
and Israel has to figure out how to fight them.
Any after nine to eleven, and if we scale up
October seventh, it's nine to eleven for Israel. We weren't like, oh,
let's give the Talaba, let's give al Kaeda a state,
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you know, let's hear out both sides, let's go march
for them. No, we mess some people up pretty badly,
and that was what the American people wanted, and this
is what was going to happen. And to treat Israel
with some other standard that no other country would ever have.
I think is unfair is too light a word for it.
You know, it's just it's immoral. And yeah, so yeah,
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the media was part of that from the beginning. A
lot of lies.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, before I let you go, I have one logistical
question that I'm just curious about. I mean, one problem
prior to this peace deal in the Middle East was
just that we were funding both sides of the conflict.
I mean, we're I mean, that's self explanatory. We were
funding both sides of the conflict, and so what does
that look like moving forward? I mean, of course we're
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helping you know, the Godza Strip rebuild in structure and
sending an aid and whatnot. But like after the rebuilding,
are we done funding that side or what does this
look like going forward? And what should it look like?
And how can we sustain a peace plan if we
are funding both sides?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Well, we were funding both sides. We should only be
funding one side in my view, but we were funding
the other side inadvertently. I mean, and not to say
that Democrats, let's say, or even Republicans didn't know what
was happening with that money. How Hamas was stealing aid
and you know, buying missile casings or whatever with it
and missiles themselves. So Donald Trump has said that he
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is not going to fund a radicalized Gaza, so then
you'd be funding My view is I wouldn't give them
a penny. Honestly, as an American, I don't want to
give them a penny. They hate me, they're my enemy.
I mean personally as a Jewish person, but as an
American also. They killed forty seven Americans that day. Let
the sheikhs who sit on oil and do nothing else
but live off that luck, let them fund. And they're
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the ones always complaining about it. Let them fund and
rebuild Gaza to look like Dubai or whatever. That's fine
by me. But if we are going to fund, we
have to have to make sure that that money does
not go through the United Nations, which is participated the
you know, in the insurrection against Israel. They have perpetuated
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the suffering of the Palestinian people by keeping them in
refugee camps for seventy years, waiting to go back to
their homes, supposedly in Tel Aviva or whatever. It's never
going to happen. I mean, everyone has to like accept
history and reality or you can move forward here, and
the UN should not be part of it. I trust
Donald Trump will not let the UN be part of it.
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I don't know who's going to be president next. I
know Democrats will one day again take power. When that happens,
you know, I don't know what's going to happen. I
think we should be funding our allies who help us
and and with intelligence, with our standing in the world,
I don't think we should be helping people who want
us dead. Now, if the Palestinians changed their attitudes about
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the world and are open to it and friendly, I mean,
I think it's a good place to invest. I don't
know if you've ever seen the I'm sure you have.
The coast of Israel and Tel Aviv and the beaches,
and how beautiful Palestinians share the same exact coastline. There's
it could be a vacation mecca, you know, or or
whatever mecca. But so if that's what they want to do,
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I'm sure plenty of Americans would want to invest their
money into that sort of society. Uh, you know, we
help Israel military means yeah. But Trump, I think they
should they would. I mean, everyone mocked Trump. I think
they should be happy about that. And one last thing
on Trump, you know, like you had spoken about that earlier,
like a year whenever, about Trump hotel and all that stuff,
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Like they're like he's a he's his force of will.
Like he says something's going to happen. It doesn't exactly
happen the way he says, but it's kind of a
force of will there because he doesn't play by the
conventions of how this stuff usually goes on. He circumvents stuff.
It's like Jared Kushner and during the first term circumvented
the Palestinian issue to have the Abraham Accords happen, Like
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that's never happened, you know, in modern times. So it's
like fresh thinking, you know, I don't even know if
it's fresh thinking. It's the only way he can think.
And I think that's what happened here in a way.
And yeah, we'll see how it goes. But it's definitely
better than what was before. And the war's over and
that's great. Yeah, the hostagees are home. I don't know,
if you watch those videos, I mean, I tear it
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up and tear up. Yeah, And it's just two years,
you know. And I think that we should be boosting
and helping and making friends with countries that share our worldview,
our Western worldview, and trying to entice others to come
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along with that. And if they don't want to, we
shouldn't be helping them.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So yeah, I agree. Now, the question is what happens
with all of our from the river to the sea.
Fellow Americans and who of course are not in favor
of the ceasefire Deal because it was broken by Trump
after Hamas was wiped out and not before.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
But I think that's a plank of the left now.
I think it's going to be like an enduring plank
of the left, like BLM free Palestine, you know, whatever
tranny stuff's going on, whatever cultural social culture quackery is next,
you know, popular. I think that that's now embedded in there.
So I don't think the Democratic Party in the future
will be proser at all. I'm worried about the Republican
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Party too, but definitely not the left. So I think
that's over for a lot of years. Are going to
have to come to grips with that.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, American universities and elsewhere, Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, David,
thanks so much. I appreciate all of your entertaining of
my questions and all of your insights. So it was
great to see you, and I hope to have you
back again soon.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
You too, anytime. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You can follow David on Twitter x as it's called
now you can find them at the Washington Examiner and
absolutely listen to your wrong on The Federalist Radio Hour
and You're Wrong on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get it,
every Wednesday with David Harsani and Molly Hemingway.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I'll see you later, David Bite.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
All right, folks, it's officially October, which means it's almost
Reformation Day. Happy Reformation Day to all who celebrate. Which
also means Halloween is right around the corner, which also
means so are your neighbors. Disgusting and gory and non
child friendly decorations if you could even call them that.
You all know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking
about fall moms on porches or pumpkins or corn stocks,
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or little black cats or even bats or spiders or webs.
I'm talking about larger than life skeletons with glowing eyes
that terrified children. And I'm talking about demon clowns. I'm
talking about corpses hanging from trees. I'm talking about terrifying
witches and murder and death and gore. These larger than
life displays come out year after year after year. Here
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are just a few, as you can see. Here is
one of a house that looks like it's burning down.
It looks like it's reported that there were over ten
calls to the fire department about this house. What a
waste of resources and what a way to terrify people.
Here's some more ah killer clown that pops out when
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you walk by. How lovely. Here we have an absolutely
macabre display. Disgusting. This is not fun, this is not cute.
It's so selfish. None of these people are the only
ones living in their neighborhoods. They live near families, they
live near small children, they live near elderly folks. All
people who would love to be able to walk out
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their front door go for a pleasant stroll in the
crisp autumn air and not encounter you are hellish decor
All this Halloween decor reminded me of an old piece
from my colleague Joy Pullman at The Federalist. She wrote this,
this is neither tasteful nor fun. It's ugly and selfish.
Every person who uses public streets is not an adult
who enjoys viewing things designed to provoke corer Some people
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are old, some people are very young. Some people have PTSD,
some people have easily sickened stomachs, and people like emergency
workers see horrific things on the job and need a
break after hours like other friends kids. My four year
old has been having nightmares since Halloween season started and
is unable to sleep alone or even go upstairs in
the daytime due to fears of all the horrible things
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he's seen on our streets. Thanks neighbors, People, especially parents,
should not be forced to retreat into their own homes
for two months just so that other people with a
fetish for blood and gore and guts can decorate with abandon.
There will be people who will pretend that this is hypocrisy,
that we conservatives just want safe spaces. You better believe it.
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Of course, we want safe spaces for children. Here's a
difference between infantilizing adults and infantilizing infants. So much of
this is obviously a result of our increasingly depraved entertainment landscape.
Just look at what is available on Netflix and YouTube
and in the theaters on any given day. So much
of it is bloody and gory and hellish, and it
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desensitizes us to violence and things that are demonic. But
at least this entertainment happens behind closed doors. A little
kid can't unwittingly wander into an r rated movie at
the theater and then be scandalized for life. Not so
for the corpse, but its entrails hanging out strewn around
your yard. I might not agree with it, but if
you want to watch that in your own time, that's
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your prerogative. But it's obvious that we should have different
standards for public life and private life. What you do
in public doesn't just affect you. The hideous Halloween decor,
the gory Halloween decor. I keep using the word decor.
It's not even decor. It doesn't make things pretty. Halloween eccepsies,
the Halloween landscaping, the Halloween lawn ornaments.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Joy is right.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
They are neither tasteful nor fun. They are ugly and selfish.
This type of disregard for our fellow man is the
type of thing that contributes to a low trust society
where you don't know your neighbors, you don't trust your neighbors,
and self government becomes really difficult. But we see this
type of disregard all of the time. It's not just Halloween.
People throwing their trash out the window, people yelling in public,
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or saying things to other people's kids that they shouldn't
even be saying to other adults. People refusing to return
their shopping carts, people blasting their music without headphones on
in public spaces, on public transportation, in quiet parks, you
name it. I was walking through a wooded trail the
other day and I met a man who was blasting
videos on his phone in the middle of this serene
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woods where people are trying to walk and enjoy nature
and watch wildlife.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Rude.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
This is not loving your fellow man. But the Halloween
stuff just takes it to another level where you are
just traumatizing children for no reason. I was very happy
when Donald Trump issued his executive order about making America
beautiful again, and I think we should apply the same
principles to our front yards. Let's make them beautiful. If
I were to issue an executive order, maybe I would
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just title mind make decore cute again. All of the time,
but especially on Halloween. Why don't we just think about
our fellow man before we do things in public. That's
the end of my Halloween rant, and that's going to
do it for me today. Thank you so much for
tuning in to this week's episode of The Kylie Cast.
I will be right back here next week. With more
until then, just remember the truth hurts when I won't
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kill you.
Charlie Kirk is awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Trump
initiates a historic peace deal in the Middle East, and
people fill their yards with the most morbid and criminally
tacky decor ever, because well it's October. All that and
more on the Kylie Cast. Hi, everybody, and welcome to
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the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold, Managing editor at The Federalist.
Please like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and
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to email the show, you can do so at radio
at the Federalist dot com. I would love to hear
from you. Earlier this week, we watched a beautiful ceremony
on what would have been Charlie Kirk's thirty second birthday.
President Trump honored Charlie, a true martyr, with the Presidential
Medal of Freedom, which is the highest civilian award in
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America and which is so fitting for someone who dedicated
his entire life to advocating for truth and freedom. In
an age increasingly hostile to both. Here were some of
the highlights.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Today we're here to honor and remember a fearless warrior
for liberty, beloved leader who galvanized the next generation like
nobody I've ever seen before, and an American patriot of
the deepest conviction, the finest quality, and the highest caliber,
the late Great Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Charlie Kirk was one of a kind. He was unstoppable
and he really was boy. When he had an idea
in his head. Oh, he would call me, sir, please,
you haven't done it yet, said Charlie. Relax, just relax.
He didn't relax it called me the next day again
it got it done. But he was like indomitable and
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always will be. He's really irreplaceable and nobody going to
replace him. But Charlie never missed an opportunity to remind
us of the Judeo Christian principles of our nation's founding,
or to share his deep Christian faith. In his final moments,
Charlie testified to the greatness of America and did the
glory of our Savior, with whom he now rests in heaven.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But probably the best part of the ceremony was Erica
Kirk's speech, not only because she continued to rip Trump
about loving our enemies.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Surprisingly enough, he did pray for his enemies, which is
very hard, but he did.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He did, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But Erica was the best part of the ceremony because
she so beautifully articulated what true freedom really means.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
The blessings of liberty are not man's invention, they are
God's endowment. Charlie lived for those blessings, not as abstract words,
but as sacred promises.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know, too many Americans don't view liberty this way.
Just a couple of months ago, you'll remember that Democrat
Senator Tim Kain ridiculously claimed that it was extremely troubling
for people to think that our rights, our freedoms come
from God rather than the government. Of course, Tim Kaine
has this completely backwards. It's right there on our nation's
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founding documents that are inalienable rights of life and freedom
are given to us by our creator. Our government is
there to help safeguard those pre existing rights, not to
grant them. But I think far too often Americans tend
to confuse what freedom even means, what freedom is actually for,
as if freedom itself is the end goal, you know,
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live free or die. We want freedom so we can
do whatever we want, no responsibility, no accountability, no duty,
nobody telling us what to do. And even Republicans and
of course libertarians, often view freedom as just freedom from
big government. I think when many people today talk about liberty,
what they really want is license, which has very clearly
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contributed to so many of our social ills. But despite
what Kamala Harris might say, freedom is not about being
unburdened from duty. It's freedom to duty, to responsibility, to
tradition and truth and honor. And often we see this
misunderstanding of freedom break down along party lines. You know,
when Democrats talk about freedom, they typically do so in
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reference to things like reproductive freedom or a woman's so
called freedom to choose, well, freedom to choose, What what
they really mean is license to kill, what's inconvenient, to abort,
license to nuke the consequences of their own actions. It's
freedom from responsibility. Or they talk about freedom and liberty
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for same sex couples to marry, well to what end
the continuation of the human race? Not the natural right
of children to have a mother and a father, not
the responsibility to be fruitful and multiply. What they really
mean is they want license from sexual norms. Meanwhile, when
true conservatives talk about freedom, they talk about things like
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freedom to keep and bear arms to what end well,
for self defense, to defend against tyranny. There's a duty
associated with that, a responsibility. Or we talk about things
like freedom of speech, well, why because, as Charlie Kirk said,
when people stop talking, bad things happen, we have a
responsibility to speak the truth. Or we talk about freedom
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of religion, why because we are duty bound to our
creator and we want to worship him freely as he commands.
These are all freedoms to something, not from it. Charlie
understood that, which brings me to an even more precious
part of Erica's speech, where she said this, to live
free is the greatest gift. To die free is the
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greatest victory. Charlie didn't just die free because he died
as a citizen of the United States of America, the
freest country on earth. Charlie died free because he died
a citizen of Heaven. His freedom didn't just come from
the courage and sacrifices of the founders or the bravery
of those who gave their lives in service to this country.
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It came from the sacrifice of his savior, Jesus Christ,
who took Charlie's sin upon himself on the cross and
in his resurrection secured Charlie's eternal freedom. And Charlie Kirk
would be the first one to tell you this. It's
such a privilege to watch Erica Kirk talk about this
eternal freedom, but especially when our president is watching and listening.
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Trump is seventy nine and no matter how sharp he is,
he is up there in years, and it seems increasingly
clear that he's been thinking about his own mortality and
the reality of the afterlife. Maybe it's because of Charlie.
Maybe it's because of his own brushes with death. I
don't know, but either way, Trump is thinking about die.
He's thinking about heaven, even if he's completely wrong about
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what it would take to get him there. And spoiler,
President Trump, it's not a historic peace deal in the
Middle East. It is just the Gospel, plain and simple,
And thanks to Erica Kirk and the other Christians in
Trump's orbit, he's hearing about the Gospel regularly. So Revan
being frustrated that Trump doesn't understand it yet, that he
still thinks it's about the good deeds. He does. Pray
for the president not just that he continues to fight
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for the great gift of living free in America, but
that he would surrender to the free gift of grace
that would empower him to one day actually die free,
just like Charlie. You know, it's really hard to believe
that it's been over a month since Charlie died. In
many ways, it feels like we heard about it yesterday,
and in other ways it feels like it's been years.
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And either way, it still doesn't feel real. Watching the
Medal of Freedom ceremony, I kept seeing the word posthumously
and it just made me incredibly sad, and it rekindled
so much of the anger I feel that's just kind
of been similar for the past month. But the event
was also a reminder of what's at stake, of what's
worth fighting for. We were reminded this week that Charlie's
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battle is over, but ours continues every day, and so
we fight all right. Next up, Trump truly seems to
be the peace president, and this week we have phase
one of a historic peace deal between Israel and Gaza
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hostages have been returned home. Truly, so many great things
happening in the Middle East. Here to join me to
discuss is David Harsani, my former on again, off again
colleague for a while now. He's a senior writer at
The Washington Examiner, co host of Your Wrong Here on
the Federalist. David, so great to see you.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's great to see you as well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, you bet, it's been a hot minute and it's
great to talk to us. So, David, you are way
more of an expert on all things related to the
Middle East and Israel Gaza relations, all the history there.
So can you just give for people maybe who aren't
as tuned into what this peace plan entails, what the
war between Israel and Hamas has looked like for the
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past couple of years, just kind of give them a
broad thirty thousand foot view of the peace plan and
what phase we're in, what it's looking like.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Well, we're in phase one where Hamas returns the living
hostages twenty of them, which they have been returned, and
then returns a bunch of you know, unfortunately dead bodies,
and they have not done that. So we're they're in
the process. We don't know exactly where it is. The
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long view is that October seventh happened. Everyone knows, But
the war is really not the Gaza Israeli wars. A
lot of people think it's a war against the Iran
and Israel. There are about, you know, a forefront proxy
fight with Lebanon, initially in Syria, with the Iron with
the Hutis, with Hamas, and Israel I think has been
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incredibly successful in that war. I mean, his Balla fell,
the Asad regime is gone, the Iranians were embarrassed with
American help, their nuclear program has been set back many years,
maybe decades, and Hamas has been obliterated. But the thing
with Hamas was, you know, they hide within civilian populations,
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so obviously that makes it very difficult, and Israel had
to try to get back the hostages there were. There
was immense pressure within Israel to get back those people
for obvious reasons. We'd want to do the same, and
so I think what happened was after Israel, I'm sure
people know, bombed Qatar to try to kill Hamas's leaders.
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I think it was unsuccessful, but I think Qatar everyone
says cutter, I say, Qatar, I go old fashioned on
that one. Qatar simply realized sound.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Just like Trump when you said that, David, I hope
you know that everyone says this.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I say this China. So I think the Qatar realized
there could be a really deep price to pay for
continuing to prop up Hamas, and they've been their patron
for a long time. So Hamas was surrounded in Gaza City,
I don't think they had much of a choice, as
Rael was about to annihilate them. I mean, it's very
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difficult to kill all of them because they hide in
civilian populations. They're one of the only armies in the
world who take off their uniforms when wars start and
put them back on after. But it is an incredible achievement.
I think, considering how Hamas uses hostages, that Trump was
able to convince them to enter into the ceasefire deal.
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You know, the number one point in his twenty point
plan for Trump was that Gaza must deradicalize. I'm pretty
skeptical that's going to happen, but I do think he
set the table for something amazing in the sense that
I'm not sure what's going to happen in Gaza, but
Israel has hermetically sealed that place off. There's not going
to be any more October seventh. There's not a civ
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like border with Egypt where they can get missiles and
all the things that start serious trouble for Israel and others.
So you know, Gaza can turn into Somalia, right, But Gaza,
if they wanted to, and they've had this chance before
they can. The world wants to help them, they can
turn into a prosperous place if they want to choose that.
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That's a different story to talk about. But anyway, so
I think what people miss here or might miss, is
that when Trump went to Egypt to meet with all
these countries, Pakistan was there, Indonesia, the largest most populous Islamic,
you know, Muslim majority country in the world, Iraq, Turkey,
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he has essentially set the table for all these people
to concede or accept a plan that says that gazas
to deradicalize before we even start talking about other states
and stuff like that. So I think that's big. But
also October seventh, and Hamas admitted this was started because
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they wanted to undermine the Abraham accords with Trump, which
Trump had brought forth in you know, during his first term.
So I think that's going to get back on track,
you know. I mean, there are rumors that Indonesia might
be part of it. Obviously Saudi Arabia was going to
be part of it. I think there's this misconception that
Israel is at war with the Arabs. No, Israel has
peace with every soon the Arab country. It's war was
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with Iran. So these are big I think these are
big achievements for Donald Trump. There are so many clans
and tribes and ethnicities and religious you know, denominations and
all kinds of tensions in the Middle East, so you
never know what's going to happen. But I think there's
a better chance he set to the table for a
better chance for peace I think than has been the
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case there in a very very long time.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
As ever, And can you kind of speak to why,
why exactly you think that is? I mean, because there's
a lot of a lot of factors at play here,
right So you know, I'm hearing a lot of hope
that this is truly historic, that this is actually going
to be effective in ways that it hasn't been in
the past. But then also you know, when we talk
about the need for Gaza or Hamas to deradicalize, it's like, Okay,
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that's not exactly in their nature, that's not that's not
what you would expect absent serious interventions. And then even
even then not you know, we know polling on the
number of people in Gaza who were supportive of Hamas
and so like, even with the primary leadership of Hamas obliterated.
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You know, what, what reason is there to believe that
this ceasefire will be different than the ceasefire that was
in effect, you know, the two that were attempted to
be enacted since the October seventh attack, or even since
the ceasefire that was in effect right when October seventh happened, Like,
can you speak to some of the complicating factors here?
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But also why this is different? Seems different? Is it
just because of the cooperation of so many more in
the air world or what do you think it is?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I definitely think it's because of the cooperation and the
buy in from the Islamic world, Turkey, Egypt and all
of that. It's also different because Hamas is no longer
so in two thousand and five, or six. Israel gave
(15:35):
autonomy to the Gozins in the Gaza strip. They pulled
out all Jewish people from there everyone else. They left
them with advanced farming equipment, all of this stuff. They
could have had a proto state there to begin with,
but instead they chose to bring in missiles, build tunnels,
all of that stuff. But that's over. That can't happen again, probably,
(15:59):
so I think that that makes it a far more
you know, it lays the groundwork for for them to
perhaps be peaceful, especially because of the buying of the
Arab countries. They don't have Iran anymore, so Turkey and
Katar will be I think their patrons now and they
may push for a more peaceful resolution. At least that's
(16:23):
the hope, and there seems to be some buy in.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, that makes sense. Can you explain a little bit
about the withdrawal plan. What it looks like that, you know,
Israel's controlling a little over fifty percent or not controlling,
that the IDF is in a little over fifty percent
right now of Gaza, but that they're going to progressively
withdraw What exactly does.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
That look like?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And can you just explain the strategy there, why it's
hopefully going to be effective or I guess think that's
going to work.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I don't know that. I don't know. I mean, I
think it's like a three phase to kind of pull out.
Israel's going to create some kind of buffer zone. I
think it's worth talking a little bit about this idea.
You know a lot of people talk about occupied territories
in Israel's occupation in this and that, So Gaza for
people who don't know. You know, so in nineteen forty eight,
(17:19):
the Israelis had a state. They had to fight for it.
The Arabs could have had a state as well at
Palestinian's time, but they decided to start a war and
they lost. But Gazas from nineteen forty eight to nineteen
sixty seven was controlled by Egypt. It wasn't even occupied
by Israel. No one ever spoke about Palestinian states then,
because it's just kind of a concoction. But anyway, Israel
(17:41):
when it won back that territory for military reasons in
nineteen sixty seven, like five minutes after that war was over,
they were trying to give it back. They have never
wanted to be there, they have been it has been
a big problem for them. They don't want to have soldiers,
you know, the in there. They don't. It's different than Jerusalem,
which they do want, which is contested. They do not
(18:04):
want Gaza. They can't have a state there. If the
state there is going to have missiles a few minutes
away from population centers, right and to create a terrorist state,
no country would do that. So that's always been the
problem there. They tried to give them the state, as
I mentioned before, and they just simply couldn't even take
care of their own people without these realies. They don't
have clean water, they don't have electricity, they don't have anything.
(18:26):
So I don't honestly know that the plan has you know,
I don't know what the plan is to make gaz
In self sufficient. They have so much. The Palestinians have
a lot of goodwill in the world. People are showering
them with a They've been showering them with eight forever.
I don't know how this works if Gazas, if Hamas
(18:47):
is in control. But Gaza is also complex in the
way that if Hamas puts down their weapons, they might
be massacred by the other clans that hate them there.
So I don't honestly know what's going to happen. I
don't think Israel wants to go back, and I mean
I saw today Donald Trump says, if they don't disarm Hamas,
someone's going to go in and disarm them. I mean,
(19:09):
it's always been trying to do that for years. You know.
That's why I said before. For me, the most interesting
and heartening part of this plan is the world buying
to give them a pathway towards peace. Doesn't mean it's
going to work, but the war's over, the hostages are back,
Israel's achieved, and from my view, this is good. Israel's
(19:30):
achieved its war aims, and a lot of the Islamic
world seems like they want to just move on from this.
I think those are all very good things, and I
don't And I know that Donald Trump has kind of
blown up or sort of battered the foreign policy consensus
(19:51):
that was prevalent here in the United States for so
many years. I mean, Jared Kushner has done more for
peace in the Middle East than the Brookings Institution and
has done in its entire existence. And you know, so
I think also on the flip side of that, you know,
you have this because of the failures of Iraq and Afghanistan.
(20:12):
I think there was an overcompensation the other way to say,
we should never get involved, we should never do anything.
We're always going to be dragged into, you know, World
War three, where it's the next Vietnam, it's the next
to Rock. Well, that didn't happen either. People out there
were scare mongering about that. What happened was America was
a force for good and peace and to get do
that sometimes you have to win a war where your
(20:34):
allies have to win a war, and that's what happened.
So I think all of that's positive. I don't think
I answered your question at all, No, you did a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It really is heartening to watch how surgical some of
these strikes and plants have been, like the taking out
of the Iranian nukes, because I think Rachel Bovard has
written about this pretty well, just the DC blobs propensity
for war or just this sort of kinetic they want
kinetic action. And it's been so heartening because I think
(21:03):
that's why people are so so ready for that and
so scared of that because of the you know, the
Bush era of governance, and it's been so cool to
watch a president who uses the power that he has,
goes in, you know, helps organize a surgical strike and
then just get gets right back out. It's It's a
big change and very refreshing.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
I'm curious, I mean, aside from the fact that he
was just a walking corpse, why why did none of
this get done under the Biden administration? I mean, was
it just a complete lack of will? Was it actual
disdain for Israel? Was it too much radicalism on the left,
like too many, too many warring factions even within the
party that there wasn't appetite for this, or that they
(22:24):
didn't want to take off their you know, core constituencies
like why why did none of this get done? And
then Trump is in office for ten months, less than
ten months, and boom, we have we have a workable
peace plan.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, I think the factors that you mentioned, it's all
the above. Obviously, there's a growing contingent on the left
that just hates Israel. But going back to the Obama years,
you had an administration that wanted to lift Iran and
created this to create a kind of regional power that
(22:58):
can be you know, a buffer against Israel in a
way offset Israel's power in the Middle East. But Israel
proved that it was far superior technologically militarily. What it
did to Hazbola, what it did to Iran before even
the bombing of the nuclear facilities was incredibly impressive. I mean,
(23:19):
I think it has one of the best armies in
the world and best intelligence services, and that's what makes
them partly a very good ally to us. I mean,
I think there's an exceptionalism there and here, and I
think that's also why Trump likes and has affection for
I think part of why he has affection for them,
And I have to quickly just say there is immense
(23:39):
affection for Donald Trump and Israel. I don't think that
any foreign leader has ever been as loved as Donald
Trump is an Israel In fact, I was telling Molly
Hemingway this, I don't think there's maybe any Israeli politician
that has ever been as beloved as Donald Trump is there.
Obviously they don't get the full Donald Trump every day experience,
(24:04):
but I think he had a moral clarity to support
them in war and in peace. Anyway, from my perspective,
that's excellent. So yeah, he's beloved there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So maybe the full Donald Trump experience would make them
like him more. David, you don't know, you don't sure.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Maybe not. I mean, you know, if if the speech
he gave there reminded me a little bit of JFK
speaking in West Berlin in nineteen sixty three, because he
was this kind of rousing speech against that is just
has a lot of moral clarity. He he has a
view of Islamists, but he's not an ideologue in the
(24:46):
sense that he's also open to making peace. I mean,
he opened the door for Iran to ap peace and
there is really no geopolitical reason for the United States
and Iran to be enemies. That's the truth. In fact,
there's no geopolitical reason for Israel aie On to be
at war. Before the you know, before the revolution in
seventy nine, they were friendly. It's an Islamic problem. Iron
(25:08):
is run by Islamists and that's the biggest problem in
the Middle East right now. Peace could be had, and
I think he realizes that. And because he's not an ideologue,
because he's not a politician, because he didn't come up
through those channels, he sees this as deal making, not
as some kind of like you know. But he also
(25:30):
sees the morality and he has a moral compass on
who's the wrong side of things. But he doesn't see
it in the way that a lot of DC blob
people see it. And I have to also say something
about Donald Trump. This works against him sometimes I think
it works for him. I mean, there's a lot you
can disagree with Donald Trump, but he's not the kind
of guy who's going to take on policies to please someone.
And he's not the kind of guy who takes on
(25:51):
like he can be convinced. If you're the last guy
in the room, you might convince him to do something.
But he's not the type of guy who's going to
be pressured. So while France and Britain and Canada were
rewarding Hamas's barbarity by recognizing the Palestinian state, he could
not care less about the international community, you know, and
what they were pressuring him to do. And I think
(26:12):
in Israelis who are very much like him, rough around
the edges a bit and very aggressive and very you know,
open about their feelings on things in the sense I
think you see, you know, he admires that kind of
thinking among them at least, this is what I think.
I think, you know, part of the reason why that
(26:33):
relationship exists.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, it's just the art of the deal.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You can tell a lot about his the way that
he interacts with foreign nations by his UN speech, for instance,
his reason UN speech, which where he just torched everybody.
So yeah, the Knesset speech, you could just feel the
energy in the room. It was super palpable. And that
gets also to I mean, I don't see a Nobel
Prize in Trump's future, as the prize committee has made
(26:58):
pretty clear, but I was interested to see that Netanyahu
has nominated Trump for the Israel Award, which I don't
know a whole lot about that award, but it seems
to be one of the highest honors you can receive
in Israel, and that Trump would be the first non
Israeli to receive the awards. So if that tells you
anything about how they feel about him over there, it's
(27:19):
a good indicator. So and let's let's pivot to the
media a little bit, David, Because as the Israelis were
cheering for Donald Trump in Hostage Square, it gave me
such great joy to watch the life drain from Wolf
Blitzer's face as he had to talk about how many
(27:39):
Maga hats he saw because the Israelis were cheering and
were so excited about Donald Trump. So the media coverage
has been a mix of horrific if you're a Christian,
I'm poor to being hilarious in their admissions that Trump
has done a great thing here. I'm curious what some
of the worst media coverage you've noticed has been.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Well in the Times and places like that. Of course
I think it's the worst, but it's been so bad
and dishonest, like wolf Blitzer or whoever's on CNN. Obviously
they've always and wolf Blitzer like started out as I
think he worked for Apak or something. He's a Zionist
and all that, but his for him to see Donald
(28:27):
Trump do what others have promised to do forever, it
must hurt, right, it must hurt. It hurts to see Hitler.
Hitler be celebrated in Israel, right like the Jewish state.
So two things, actually, I actually want to take a
step back and talk a little bit about like the
ceasefire now protesters and all the people who who marched
(28:50):
and and and you know, for free Palestine and all that.
None of them, none of them were happy. Most of
those politicians didn't even say anything when this happened. Then
they gave some perfunctory statement because their whole it was
never about to seize fire. It's about Israel losing. They
want to see the destruction of Israel. And the progressives
who work at the New York Times and other the
(29:12):
Washington posts filled with them, who used a lot of
them were former Katari employees for Al Jazeera and so on.
They are propagandists. The Katari government itself is a huge
funder of art of institutions, schools, j schools, media, all
(29:33):
of that, so you're never going to get a real
clear picture of what's gone on. And clearly Israel has
a lot of support in the United States. I think
that's because of the media propaganda, because of the massive
amount of money that that that chicoms and Katari's have have,
you know, thrown at the United States, at certain people
to create divisions, and because Israel didn't do a great
(29:55):
job for itself because it's it's hard to defend yourself
when you're fighting a war, right and civilians are going
to die, and that's terrible, but it happens in every war. Again,
I'm way off topic, but I think the media is
part of that because I don't really treat they're not
really journalists for the most part anymore. They're often just activists.
So they're part of this activist class that spread the lie,
(30:19):
the complete hoax that there was a genocide going on.
I don't know if you've seen the videos coming out
of there. I mean, they are the most healthy and
well fed, you know, victims of starvation in the world
has ever seen. And people like you know, jew baiters
and Jew haters like Mehdi Hassan who said it that
the Gaza think was worse than the Holocaust. You know,
(30:42):
it's shameful and there'll be no reckoning for it and
no one will have to pay. But for me, this
is on board with like Russia collusion, the Brett Kavanaugh hoax,
with all the other hoaxes that have been perpetrated by
the media. And they're part of it. And the activists
are part of it, and the politicians, the Bernie Sanders,
Elizabeth with Warren's are part of it, and and the
(31:04):
and the what's his name Zohara, Mom Donnie is part
of it. The only AMAS victory might be in Manhattan,
so we'll see in New York City coming up for selections.
So that's yeah true.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
By skinny arms, mom Donnie, Uh yeah, I mean Christianampoor
her she she said that the Israeli hostages were treated
better than the average Gosen. I mean, how crazy, how
much crazy propaganda do you have to be intaking and
spitting out to say something like that.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
That's just it's ridiculous. She's she's always been terrible. But
but but think about this, Why are Gozen suffering? Because
Gozen's not all of them, but many of them participated
in an attack on completely innocent civilians, raping, killing children,
taking hostages, and a war broke out. And during the
(31:50):
in that war, Hamas builds. No, people don't like to
hear it. They build military installations under schools and buildings,
and Israel has to figure out how to fight them.
Any after nine to eleven, and if we scale up
October seventh, it's nine to eleven for Israel. We weren't like, oh,
let's give the Talaba, let's give al Kaeda a state,
(32:12):
you know, let's hear out both sides, let's go march
for them. No, we mess some people up pretty badly,
and that was what the American people wanted, and this
is what was going to happen. And to treat Israel
with some other standard that no other country would ever have.
I think is unfair is too light a word for it.
You know, it's just it's immoral. And yeah, so yeah,
(32:32):
the media was part of that from the beginning. A
lot of lies.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, before I let you go, I have one logistical
question that I'm just curious about. I mean, one problem
prior to this peace deal in the Middle East was
just that we were funding both sides of the conflict.
I mean, we're I mean, that's self explanatory. We were
funding both sides of the conflict, and so what does
that look like moving forward? I mean, of course we're
(32:56):
helping you know, the Godza Strip rebuild in structure and
sending an aid and whatnot. But like after the rebuilding,
are we done funding that side or what does this
look like going forward? And what should it look like?
And how can we sustain a peace plan if we
are funding both sides?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Well, we were funding both sides. We should only be
funding one side in my view, but we were funding
the other side inadvertently. I mean, and not to say
that Democrats, let's say, or even Republicans didn't know what
was happening with that money. How Hamas was stealing aid
and you know, buying missile casings or whatever with it
and missiles themselves. So Donald Trump has said that he
(33:43):
is not going to fund a radicalized Gaza, so then
you'd be funding My view is I wouldn't give them
a penny. Honestly, as an American, I don't want to
give them a penny. They hate me, they're my enemy.
I mean personally as a Jewish person, but as an
American also. They killed forty seven Americans that day. Let
the sheikhs who sit on oil and do nothing else
but live off that luck, let them fund. And they're
(34:06):
the ones always complaining about it. Let them fund and
rebuild Gaza to look like Dubai or whatever. That's fine
by me. But if we are going to fund, we
have to have to make sure that that money does
not go through the United Nations, which is participated the
you know, in the insurrection against Israel. They have perpetuated
(34:29):
the suffering of the Palestinian people by keeping them in
refugee camps for seventy years, waiting to go back to
their homes, supposedly in Tel Aviva or whatever. It's never
going to happen. I mean, everyone has to like accept
history and reality or you can move forward here, and
the UN should not be part of it. I trust
Donald Trump will not let the UN be part of it.
(34:50):
I don't know who's going to be president next. I
know Democrats will one day again take power. When that happens,
you know, I don't know what's going to happen. I
think we should be funding our allies who help us
and and with intelligence, with our standing in the world,
I don't think we should be helping people who want
us dead. Now, if the Palestinians changed their attitudes about
(35:13):
the world and are open to it and friendly, I mean,
I think it's a good place to invest. I don't
know if you've ever seen the I'm sure you have.
The coast of Israel and Tel Aviv and the beaches,
and how beautiful Palestinians share the same exact coastline. There's
it could be a vacation mecca, you know, or or
whatever mecca. But so if that's what they want to do,
(35:36):
I'm sure plenty of Americans would want to invest their
money into that sort of society. Uh, you know, we
help Israel military means yeah. But Trump, I think they
should they would. I mean, everyone mocked Trump. I think
they should be happy about that. And one last thing
on Trump, you know, like you had spoken about that earlier,
like a year whenever, about Trump hotel and all that stuff,
(35:57):
Like they're like he's a he's his force of will.
Like he says something's going to happen. It doesn't exactly
happen the way he says, but it's kind of a
force of will there because he doesn't play by the
conventions of how this stuff usually goes on. He circumvents stuff.
It's like Jared Kushner and during the first term circumvented
the Palestinian issue to have the Abraham Accords happen, Like
(36:19):
that's never happened, you know, in modern times. So it's
like fresh thinking, you know, I don't even know if
it's fresh thinking. It's the only way he can think.
And I think that's what happened here in a way.
And yeah, we'll see how it goes. But it's definitely
better than what was before. And the war's over and
that's great. Yeah, the hostagees are home. I don't know,
if you watch those videos, I mean, I tear it
(36:41):
up and tear up. Yeah, And it's just two years,
you know. And I think that we should be boosting
and helping and making friends with countries that share our worldview,
our Western worldview, and trying to entice others to come
(37:01):
along with that. And if they don't want to, we
shouldn't be helping them.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So yeah, I agree. Now, the question is what happens
with all of our from the river to the sea.
Fellow Americans and who of course are not in favor
of the ceasefire Deal because it was broken by Trump
after Hamas was wiped out and not before.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
But I think that's a plank of the left now.
I think it's going to be like an enduring plank
of the left, like BLM free Palestine, you know, whatever
tranny stuff's going on, whatever cultural social culture quackery is next,
you know, popular. I think that that's now embedded in there.
So I don't think the Democratic Party in the future
will be proser at all. I'm worried about the Republican
(37:41):
Party too, but definitely not the left. So I think
that's over for a lot of years. Are going to
have to come to grips with that.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, American universities and elsewhere, Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, David,
thanks so much. I appreciate all of your entertaining of
my questions and all of your insights. So it was
great to see you, and I hope to have you
back again soon.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
You too, anytime. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You can follow David on Twitter x as it's called
now you can find them at the Washington Examiner and
absolutely listen to your wrong on The Federalist Radio Hour
and You're Wrong on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get it,
every Wednesday with David Harsani and Molly Hemingway.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I'll see you later, David Bite.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
All right, folks, it's officially October, which means it's almost
Reformation Day. Happy Reformation Day to all who celebrate. Which
also means Halloween is right around the corner, which also
means so are your neighbors. Disgusting and gory and non
child friendly decorations if you could even call them that.
You all know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking
about fall moms on porches or pumpkins or corn stocks,
(38:50):
or little black cats or even bats or spiders or webs.
I'm talking about larger than life skeletons with glowing eyes
that terrified children. And I'm talking about demon clowns. I'm
talking about corpses hanging from trees. I'm talking about terrifying
witches and murder and death and gore. These larger than
life displays come out year after year after year. Here
(39:12):
are just a few, as you can see. Here is
one of a house that looks like it's burning down.
It looks like it's reported that there were over ten
calls to the fire department about this house. What a
waste of resources and what a way to terrify people.
Here's some more ah killer clown that pops out when
(39:33):
you walk by. How lovely. Here we have an absolutely
macabre display. Disgusting. This is not fun, this is not cute.
It's so selfish. None of these people are the only
ones living in their neighborhoods. They live near families, they
live near small children, they live near elderly folks. All
people who would love to be able to walk out
(39:54):
their front door go for a pleasant stroll in the
crisp autumn air and not encounter you are hellish decor
All this Halloween decor reminded me of an old piece
from my colleague Joy Pullman at The Federalist. She wrote this,
this is neither tasteful nor fun. It's ugly and selfish.
Every person who uses public streets is not an adult
who enjoys viewing things designed to provoke corer Some people
(40:18):
are old, some people are very young. Some people have PTSD,
some people have easily sickened stomachs, and people like emergency
workers see horrific things on the job and need a
break after hours like other friends kids. My four year
old has been having nightmares since Halloween season started and
is unable to sleep alone or even go upstairs in
the daytime due to fears of all the horrible things
(40:41):
he's seen on our streets. Thanks neighbors, People, especially parents,
should not be forced to retreat into their own homes
for two months just so that other people with a
fetish for blood and gore and guts can decorate with abandon.
There will be people who will pretend that this is hypocrisy,
that we conservatives just want safe spaces. You better believe it.
(41:02):
Of course, we want safe spaces for children. Here's a
difference between infantilizing adults and infantilizing infants. So much of
this is obviously a result of our increasingly depraved entertainment landscape.
Just look at what is available on Netflix and YouTube
and in the theaters on any given day. So much
of it is bloody and gory and hellish, and it
(41:23):
desensitizes us to violence and things that are demonic. But
at least this entertainment happens behind closed doors. A little
kid can't unwittingly wander into an r rated movie at
the theater and then be scandalized for life. Not so
for the corpse, but its entrails hanging out strewn around
your yard. I might not agree with it, but if
you want to watch that in your own time, that's
(41:44):
your prerogative. But it's obvious that we should have different
standards for public life and private life. What you do
in public doesn't just affect you. The hideous Halloween decor,
the gory Halloween decor. I keep using the word decor.
It's not even decor. It doesn't make things pretty. Halloween eccepsies,
the Halloween landscaping, the Halloween lawn ornaments.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Joy is right.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
They are neither tasteful nor fun. They are ugly and selfish.
This type of disregard for our fellow man is the
type of thing that contributes to a low trust society
where you don't know your neighbors, you don't trust your neighbors,
and self government becomes really difficult. But we see this
type of disregard all of the time. It's not just Halloween.
People throwing their trash out the window, people yelling in public,
(42:29):
or saying things to other people's kids that they shouldn't
even be saying to other adults. People refusing to return
their shopping carts, people blasting their music without headphones on
in public spaces, on public transportation, in quiet parks, you
name it. I was walking through a wooded trail the
other day and I met a man who was blasting
videos on his phone in the middle of this serene
(42:51):
woods where people are trying to walk and enjoy nature
and watch wildlife.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Rude.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
This is not loving your fellow man. But the Halloween
stuff just takes it to another level where you are
just traumatizing children for no reason. I was very happy
when Donald Trump issued his executive order about making America
beautiful again, and I think we should apply the same
principles to our front yards. Let's make them beautiful. If
I were to issue an executive order, maybe I would
(43:15):
just title mind make decore cute again. All of the time,
but especially on Halloween. Why don't we just think about
our fellow man before we do things in public. That's
the end of my Halloween rant, and that's going to
do it for me today. Thank you so much for
tuning in to this week's episode of The Kylie Cast.
I will be right back here next week. With more
until then, just remember the truth hurts when I won't
(43:36):
kill you.
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It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
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