‘The Kylee Cast’ feat. Suzanna Hake (Part II), Ep. 19: A Holistic Answer To Cancer

On this “Part II” episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Kylee Griswold is joined by Christian boy mom, entrepreneur, and political activist Suzanna Hake, who tells about the triple-masked doctor who wanted to take a scalpel to her face… No thanks! Suzanna shares how she tackled her cancer diagnosis holistically and detoxified her home. Plus, her favorite conspiracy theories. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:41):
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the Federalist dot com. I would love to hear from
you this week. I'm so excited to be sharing with
you part two of my interview with Susanna Haick, So
if you miss last week, be sure to go back
and listen to part one so you don't miss any
part of her story. Susanna is awesome. She's a Christian wife, boy, mom, friend, entrepreneur.

(01:04):
She has an insane and incredible story to tell, and
this week we talked specifically about her cancer journey and
holistic health, entrepreneurship, and some of her favorite conspiracy theories,
among other things. So once again, please welcome Susannah Haig.

(01:33):
Let's get into your let's do political activism, because I'm
just curious, like, okay, were you so okay again? I
met you during COVID because of our shared COVID beliefs,
And you know, obviously a lot of people came out
of the woodwork during COVID because whether you were political
or not, before that, people had strong opinions. There was

(01:53):
a lot of obviously bodily autonomy, medical malpractice, all kinds
of really you know, COVID specific things that people had
strong opinions about. But at the same time, you also
had kids coming home from school and going virtual and
their parents. Finally, you know, there was a lot of
I think way too much trust in the public education
system and a lot of parents who just kind of

(02:16):
assumed it was good because it was good for them,
so it's going to be good for their kids. Get
a peek behind the curtain and see the kind of
filth that their kids are being exposed to, you know.
So then you have that whole political like tidle wave
that comes. So it's not just COVID anymore. Now it's
education and of course like people getting fired for not
getting the job, and like, you know, there's there's so

(02:37):
much happening, and so a lot of people who were
never political before that are like suddenly super political. They're
going to all the hearings, they're writing screeds on Facebook,
they're getting fired from their jobs so they finally have
like something to say about it, you know. Or they're
homeschooling for the first time. They used to make fun
of the homeschool families and now they're one of them,
you know. And so it's just like there's so much
happening and people changing and just coming out of the woodwork.

(02:59):
Were you politically minded slash like tuned in, plugged in
before COVID or were you one of the people that,
like COVID ignited this like this is unjustin I need
to you need to rise up.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, well I can tell you I had never door
knocked before.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, so definitely not because there's the litmus test for
whether you're political or not. You knocked on doors for
a Cannaida, Okay, what.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Am I doing? But I grew up my parents were
very much active in not active in politics, but very
knowledge We talked about politics. My great grandfather was like, okay,
I should know this, but he was in Kansas. He
was like a Supreme Court something.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, I think.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And my grandma was a part of like the Republican
Committee in San Diego when my mom was in high school,
so there was there was some of that. And you know,
I didn't necessarily care about politics, but I because my
parents were Republican, of course I was. You know, I

(04:09):
was a Republican. Ronald Reagan landed on our football field
when I was a senior in his helicopter. I mean, like,
you know, so I thought that was cool. Yep. My
dad had Fox News on all the time, so you know,
I think a lot of us have grown up that way.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Whether you wanted to hear it or not, you were
hearing it all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, totally. So, I mean I knew who people were.
I mean, if I was, you know, I always think
about those random interviews that happened on the street when
people ask who is this person and they have no idea.
I could probably have passed most of those tests, but
it wasn't until COVID that I was you know, like

(04:48):
I said, remember, I was really angry and like, how
could I act that out or do something or feel
like I was doing something. That's where it happened. So
it started off with our school district because.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
We're any of your boys still in school at the time.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so my youngest was so recent,
but it was I mean that was five years ago,
so it was a freshman okay, so basically his and he,
you know, we're very much into sports, and so he
was robbed of basically his entire four years of high
school because of sports. Because our school district, I will
remain names, was the longest school in our county to

(05:30):
keep masks and keep kids out of school.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And yeah, did they cancel the sports or like what happened?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It was just so watered down and I'm sorry. The
fact that my son had to wear a mask outside
makes no sense. And so this is my youngest and
he's a lot like me, so it was super bonded
over this whole experience because he really got he found
his voice right. He didn't care if he was getting
in trouble was it was like a challenge for him

(05:58):
every day to see how fari he get down the
hall without his mask on, because at this point it's theater,
you know. So there were four of us, same friend
mentioned earlier. Her name is Beth, so now I can
just say that, we'll just say Beth. Shout out to Beth,
and we love so she and I are our youngest
boys were the same age, and we are just up
in arms like what we've got to We got to

(06:20):
do something, and so we connected with these two other
men in the community and the four of us get
on a zoom. I can vividly remember the beginning of this,
and we decided we were going to host something outside
in our one of our parks, and it just invite
parents to come so parents could be informed on what
was really going on and how we could advocate for
our kids. So that's where it started, and I think

(06:43):
like thirty people showed up, so we were like, okay,
this is great. And then we got thrown into like
the leaders of some group. And so that was great
because there was nothing to do. Then everyone's kind of
shut down. We both own our own businesses, and everything
was really kind of slow. Okay, So we got to
work and we ended up starting Beth and I started

(07:06):
hosting these groups. We didn't have a name for it
in the beginning, but we basically called it like the
Patriot Group, and started with eight people in my kitchen
and then we challenged everybody to bring a friend the
next month, and I think we ended up with thirty
two people. And this is while my husband was really sick.
So again it gave me this feeling of purpose and

(07:28):
something else to be doing, which is really really helpful.
And then we grew it to about one hundred and
seventy people. Wow. So did we have any intention of
that happening, Absolutely not, But it just you could tell
that people were desperate for a community and like a cause.

(07:48):
So we started using Actually my husband had an office
at the time with a training room, and we would
have fifty to one hundred people come and we'd have
to close the blinds because the Patriot we need people there.
And we started bringing in speakers. It just took on
a mind of its own. We had we had gubernatorial

(08:10):
candidates come and speak. We had doctors, very well known
doctors that were being blacklisted canceled. We had people come
and talk about critical race theory, and it was insane.
It was so amazing, and so people were like, who's
coming next month, and we're like, we don't know, we

(08:32):
don't know what we're doing. But we did it for
I think fifteen to six maybe fifteen to eighteen months.
I can't remember exactly every single month we have. Yeah,
we had health focused ones, we had school board things,
and so that was that was really fun. And I
still get run into people They're like, when are we

(08:52):
gonna reconvene. I'm like, I'm kind of over that now,
But so that was that was part of that. I
don't know if you want me to get into any
of that specifically, maybe back to the school stuff. Yeah, yeah,
So being a teacher, being a public school teacher in
the district where my kids went, I was so sad.

(09:13):
And so you go to a school board meeting and
you're speaking to the school board saying, I am embarrassed
to tell my friends that my son goes here and
I was a teacher here, because what you are doing
to this district is disgusting. And it went from I
mean everything from like, you know, he was old enough
to you know, he would send me screenshots of things

(09:34):
homework and all this gender stuff, and just I just
was like, what does it? Why does that matter? Why
is this important? And it went from that zero to
one hundred in like a year. So he was he
was great. He was my kind of spy. And then
I would set up meetings with a superintendent. We would

(09:57):
get together with people and yeah, it was they didn't
they didn't really listen. They listened, but they didn't make
any changes.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Were there any members of the school board or like
teachers that you had kind of on your side or
was it this, you know, the whole district basically against
the parents.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It was like one person. We had one school board
member who was amazing. He was a trooper. But you
can't stay that way very long.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
So he ended up starting his own Christian high school
in our town, not a town, but in the county.
And he's done amazing things. So that he was like,
peace out, I'm going to go do something that I
actually can. I can't make any headways right with this
school board, right.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Absolutely, So what year did you stop teaching.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh gosh, so long ago twenty or two thousand five six.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, so roughly two decades ago, yes, I mean, was
any of this now happening at all?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Then. The only thing I remember, one thing was there
was a new book that we were encouraged to read,
and it was I have two mommies. And that's the
only thing that I remember, you know, kind of going
you know, so, which.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Is crazy too, because that actually is kind of early.
I mean, that's that's ten years before Obergefell, like you know,
I mean, that's pretty progressive for the time that it
was so and I were so young to really at
that point to know, yeah, how you know, I don't
really know the climate then because I wasn't of course,
I wasn't really sentient in two thousand and five politically,

(11:37):
but yeah, that's you know, that's a red flag because
that's kind of starting things.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
And when I was teaching, we had full autonomy. We could,
I mean, we had almost no resources, which for a
new teacher that's a little overwhelming, but I could. I
created everything on my own. We had a couple of
things that we would use. But now I look at
what the districts I have still have friends that are teachers,
and the stuff they tell me, I don't even know
how they're still doing it. But the money that is

(12:03):
spent on curriculum every two years, it is a waste.
It is a waste of money. Yeah, they could be
doing so many other things with that money. Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And that's not even getting into the absolute abject propaganda.
I mean, that's just a waste of resources, not even
like what exactly is being taught. And it's also you know,
worth pointing out that even that too, mommies book like
this is what's recommended for a kindergarten teacher. So it's like,
who knows what was going on at the high school
level at that point where you're talking about you know,
sex ed classes and like and you know by for

(12:36):
health and all the.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Fact I even was the way I am now. I
mean I was apting out my kids from some of
that stuff when they were in middle school, and I
asked them, I'm like looking at the curriculum because they
would share it back then, you could see it ahead
of time. There is no way you need to know this.
You're not of age to be doing these things. And
you know, some parents will say, well, you don't really know.
I go, yes, I know, trust me, I know. Yeah

(13:00):
he's fifth grade, he's sixth grade. Right, So we we
definitely were like, we're not gonna I will teach you
these things, I will talk to you about these things.
We are not having used step through this stuff. And
they were totally cool with it.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, which on a broader level, I mean, that's just
I think part of the problem you have super activist.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
The education establishment.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is so activist and like view view the few children
as essentially their property, like they're not the parents' kids,
it's the teacher's kids, you know, which is why you
have this problem with the propaganda because it's like they
don't parents rights are not a thing. It's like, you
know that these are our children. And then you know,
but also you have so many parents who didn't do that,

(13:43):
who like abdicate their responsibility to teach kids these things.
And so it's like this you know, two way street
where the parents voluntarily give up their kids to the
state essentially, and then we wonder kind of how we
got to where we are during COVID, where state certainly
took that on, like you know.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, don't get me started to working parents. I mean
it's just started decades ago. Let's get both parents working.
You know, they're going to be so exhausted they don't
have time to really pay attention to what's in the backpack,
what are the kids learning, Let's just eat, do baths,
get to bed? I mean it's it's been designed yep
for decades.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Got to have the dual income. Ye got to have
women leaning into the workforce more like men. Yeah, we
see where that has gotten us as a society for sure.
So part of you getting to be home with your
kids was giving up your teaching. And when did you
pursue entrepreneurship. Was that kind of an immediate thing or

(14:40):
were you home with your boys for a while and.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Then No, I couldn't just quit because at the time
that would have I mean I didn't make a ton
of money, but I know I was a full time
teacher salary and I was coaching and teaching piano in
the summer. I mean I was very much like, let's
do what when we need to do to you know,
have abundance. So I told this story earlier today. Actually,

(15:05):
so Chris being super entrepreneur, and I was like, yeah,
that's your thing. I am a teacher, I am changing
the world, and so I had no interest in that.
And he would read these amazing books and say, oh, honey,
you would love this book. And I'd be like, that's
a self help. I don't need that. I'm good. I mean,

(15:26):
I got it all together. I don't need that, and
he'd eat, the stack would grow, and then I would
put it down below, and then he'd start the other stack.
And finally I was like, okay, Chris, you can just stop.
You know, when I'm when I need a book, I'll
ask you. And he really was just trying to, like,
I think this would be great for you.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, and sweet Chris.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So poor guy. So when I decided that, like, I
really was struggling with this. I'm thinking about my students
when I'm home and my kids when I'm at work.
This is not this is not good. So I went
part time because that was like, Okay, let's test this out.
And I got introduced to this amazing industry of network marketing,

(16:06):
which I know some people are like, eh, but it
is phenomenal and I have actually loved I've been in
it for twenty six years, so I love it. So
for me, I needed something that I could do. I
wanted to be my own boss. If I was going
to do something, I didn't want someone telling me what
I could do. Already had that teaching, so I really
wanted something that I could make my own. But I
didn't want to have a brick and mortar and we

(16:27):
didn't want to buy a franchise or something like that.
So just on a whim, I got invited to this
event and I thought, oh, this would be fun. I
could maybe make a little extra money, and I had
no idea. So I did that while I was still
teaching and realized really quickly, Oh, if I actually put
my effort into that, I bet you I could replace

(16:48):
my income, which I did in.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
A year, and be home with your kids and be home.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So then you're juggling. It creates different issues. Now I'm
home all day and then I'm trying to get this
business in and then maybe in the evenings. But I
was home with my kids. I wasn't doing daycare. It
was it was amazing, and that's when I had two
two boys. So I did that business for twelve years
and I did really well. I mean I earned all
the trips and all the accolades. It was amazing. And

(17:14):
then two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, twenty
ten market crashed, real estates really really bad, and my
business was.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Which is what Chris is it?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes? Yeah, So that four and a half years that
he had spent up north away from his family was
to build our retirement, our future, and it was. It
was an amazing project, but it was it's a whole
nother podcast, but basically some illegal things were happening with
the owners that Chris obviously wasn't aware of, and it
went into foreclosure. Basically it was Ponzi scheme happening in

(17:51):
some ways. And so we had twenty six rental properties
up there. We had more than anyone else, even their owners.
This was going to be our retirement and lost it all,
lost it all. It's about three three million something.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah. So and then my business was more of a luxury,
not a luxury, just not something in demand when economy
was tight. So now my income goes down and I'm thinking,
oh my gosh, we're gonna be living on ramen noodles
for a while. And that was a low point. But
never once was I thinking we weren't gonna make it.
I don't know why. I just I'm like, we built

(18:28):
it once, we can build it again. I mean, it
wasn't fun, but we both just were like, Okay, what
do we need to do. So that's when we pivoted,
and I was I got my real estate license and
didn't really want to do that. But then my friend Beth,
she watches She's gonna laugh when she watches this, but
she's just been so instrumental in my life. But I

(18:51):
had this is a god thing because six years prior
I went, I got invited to go to this hormone
conference in Iowa, Okay. And I never had my weekends free.
I was coaching my kids and sports. We were busy,
and I get invited to this conference. It's about hormones.
I didn't even care about hormones, but I get invited,
and something told me I was supposed to go. My

(19:11):
mom was struggling with some stuff, so I'm like, sure,
why not, I'll go spend some time with some women,
you know. So I go to this conference. I'm in
the bathroom and Beth is behind me in line, And
what do you do when you're in a long women's line?
You start talking to the person next to you, and
so I forget. She lived in Madison at the time,
and so, you know, we're just talking and I was

(19:31):
doing my other business, she was doing a different business,
and we just clicked, didn't share numbers. Nothing. Six years later,
she moves to the town that I live in and
she has this nutrition event with another friend of mine. Okay,
I was invited, okay, but I couldn't go. Okay, and

(19:52):
my friend said, oh my gosh, you need to meet
my friend Susannah. She would be all about the stuff.
She has a boy, you age, she's got kids at
here athletes. And Beth says, oh my gosh, what's her
last name? I think I met her. I know it
helps that my name is a little bit different than
you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, right, So she gives her my number. She messages me,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so great.
So we grab coffee and I remember her being really
cool and I thought, oh, yeah, she's going to try
to get me to join her business. Oh yeah, that's
not happening because you know my stubborn personality. But interested No,
But I did, like I thought she was cool and

(20:32):
I'm like, you know, could use another friend. And so
we met her coffee and I did. I thought, oh,
this girl's really cool, but she's not going to get
me and I was in a business like this, so
just my my ego. Oh boy, yeah. So we meet,
we have a great time, and then we decided to
meet again. Now I'm just thinking, yeah, I really, you know,

(20:53):
like her as a friend, and we'll get our kids
together to hang out. So she had an agenda all along,
because of course, who would not want me to join
their business? But I was all them like, oh, my
business is thriving, which was not true. But I just was,
you know, protecting myself. And pretty soon, I think after
the third or fourth time, I just was finally like,

(21:14):
you know, I am interested. You know, your product seems
really great and I think I could be really good
at it. And by the way, my business is really
not doing well. She's like really So ended up switching
from the one company to this new company and oh
my gosh, and I still use these products. I loved
it and again did really well with this company, and

(21:36):
it was just it was so fun. Beth and I
had We went on tons of trips together, our families
became super close. I mean, she is definitely my best friend,
my sister in Christ, and she has been a prayer
warrior for me and my husband and continues to do
that and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, she's amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
She's amazing.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
She's truly amazing, and she's the one who brought us
together so.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Totally that I was her plus one at your wedding.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, yes, because I had met you both very like soon.
You know, it was like one of those I met
you right in the middle of like my engagement period.
So looking back, I'm so glad that you both could
be there because it was a weird time.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
But yeah, so let's see, I forgot where I was
going with this, so that's how I met her, and
then I pivoted to this new business model and I
stayed there until basically through COVID. Again, things shift when
life happens, and the business model for me personally, with

(22:34):
everything I was going through with Chris and then some
things with me, it just I didn't have the zest
and passion like I had, and you really do need
to have that to be successful in that industry. You
really have to have that drive. So that was.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Really in allah.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, yeah, people will sense it if you're not all in.
And that's how I was feeling, and so that's kind
of how how things started in that at me to
a couple of years ago. Yeah yeah, Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Some of these things are in like the health and
lifestyle space you of course have, in addition to Chris's stuff,
your own health journey. Let's talk about that if you're
willing to share kind of what happened with your health,
how that changed, how that changed, what you view, what
you put into your body, how a trip to another

(23:30):
country may have affected some of that. Would love to
hear this story or share this story exactly parts of it.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
So I go to the dermatologists. I don't I guess
I should preface always been super healthy, Chris and I.
I mean, I can count on two hands the times
I've been sick really in my whole life. I mean,
my mom, we weren't vaccinated. I have my wisdom teeth.
You know, it's like pretty pretty healthy person. We eat well,

(23:59):
you know, just never really had to worry about my health,
which it can be a bad thing because then you
just take for granted that you're just always going to
be fine, right.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
So I go, are you concerned about anything that based
on your family?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah? No, I mean again, just good genes. I think
my parents were always really healthy. So I go to
the dramatologists because I noticed this spot on my face,
and they, you know, this is this is kind of
the way it always works. So you go in, they
do a skin check and then they say, oh, either
you look great or oh this one, this one looks questionable,

(24:33):
so we should do a biopc. Now, I have been
in the hospital three times in my life to give birth,
so I'm not like a fan of hospitals. Never broken bones.
I mean I broke my fingers having brothers, but that's
you know, that's it. And I kind of got swooped
up in the this is what we do. So I

(24:54):
was like, oh, okay. So they do the biopsy and
then I leave. I get the call that it's that
it is cancer. It's basil cell carcinoma, which is not
a life threatening cancer, but it's still cancer and you
need to deal with it. And then the woman who
called me, I remember I was in the parking lot
of hobby lobby, and she says, so it's stuff for

(25:19):
you cancer. But because it's where it is, it's close
to your eye. We need to have you see an
ocular surgeon. Okay, well I don't know that like set
me off. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, okay, well this
sounds really serious.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That wasn't the worst of it. This is insane to
me that seeing it out loud, I know you'll relate though.
She then says to me, and to go in and
meet with him, you know, or to do the surgery,
you're gonna have to get a COVID test, and I
lose it. I literally lose it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I'm this poor woman, You're like what So I can
pad the numbers that CNN is putting.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
On their ticker, and it wasn't about the CONVID test.
But I literally like, are you kidding me? So I
didn't react negative. I mean, I was definitely concerned about
the fact that I was just diagnosed with cancer, but
I lost it about the COVID best getting the test.
So I say to her, well, I'm not no one
is I'm not setting up an appointment to have a

(26:16):
surgery unless I meet with this person, Like I need
to know who this person is, especially because it's on
my face. So I go in, I schedule this appointment,
and you know, trip he's triple mask. When he walks
and say right away, I'm thinking, oh, I'm not vibing
with this person. And he's very stern with me. I
have my sea through mask, my mesh mask on my chin,

(26:37):
and he yells at me for not putting it on.
I'm like, you can see my lips through it. But okay,
so I put it on and he starts. He pulls
up my space on this screen and he's like zooming
in and he goes, all right, so here's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna cut from here to here and
heet down here, and I'm just gonna tell you, Susana,
you're not gonna look the same. Okay. So when I

(26:57):
hould my mask down because I'm like hyperventilating a little bit,
oh my gosh, put your mask back on. So and
I try to see him, Okay, you're a triple mast.
So he's like, I mean, he just he was this abrasive.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
And are they effective or are they not?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Because yeah, So then he you know, proceeds to tell me,
I mean, I'm not even gonna describe it because it
was very graphic and I go, so, are you telling
me there's no other option? And he said, nope, this
is it. I'm like, okay, well I need some I
need some time to you know, really processes. And he goes, well,
you know, I'm the best that there is. So then
I stand up and I'm like, thank you very much,

(27:32):
but I don't think this is a fit. And I
start to walk out. So I get to my car
and I did have a little pity party in my car.
I did have a meltdown. And then I was like,
like Susannah style, you know, just put big girl pants on.
And I started calling everybody I knew while I was
still in the parking lot. Okay, you know, asking people
to do you know anyone that is a holistic dermatologist,

(27:53):
you know, do what? What are my other options? And
so really came up empty handed. But I have a
friend who is integrative I don't know what functional nutritionist,
and I think she does some chiropractic. And she said,
you know, I don't have I'm not well versed in this,
but anyone that has ever come to me with cancer,

(28:14):
I tell them to go to a place called Hope
for Cancer. I know nothing about this place. I google it.
I set up a phone call, like that's how much
I trusted this person. And I have a phone call
and I find out, oh, they're in Mexico. Okay, it
was maybe not the right fit for me, but I
watch all the videos and I think, Okay, this actually
might be something. So I talked to my husband about it.

(28:38):
And this is now months. I mean, I've done a
lot of research. I've tried some more holistic things. Nothing's
really working for me. And I finally make the decision
to go down there. And it was an investment. Of course,
it was a big investment, and I know it was,
you know hard. I felt a little guilty, but I
did not know what else to do. And the best

(29:03):
thing that happened was the fact that I was open
minded and I knew, Okay, I'm healthy, I've got a
lot of energy. I never get sick. Something's going on, though,
and so the fact that this is, I mean, this
amazing clinic where they're going to dig deep and oh

(29:24):
my gosh, it was it was kind of fun because
you know, I was a little I did to admit
the first day, I was like, I don't want anyone
ask me why I'm here. This is a little embarrassing.
They're all, you know, stage two, stage four, you know, metastatic,
and I'm like, oh, I have, you know, skin cancer
on my face. But I mean everybody I met, they
were like, why would you not want to that's your story?

(29:47):
Like why would you not want to share that? So
I was like, you're right, you're right, Yes, still something
I have to deal with. And actually I heard from
a lot of people I wish that I was someone
like you who had come to a place like this
to learn how to heal my body before where it became,
you know, metastanic cancer or something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
So that's also just such a common thread. I don't
know if it's for men too, but for women in
so many areas of our lives where you know, the
comparison game is not good, and we do it a
lot in the opposite direction, where we compare, you know,
we compare what we have or whatever to other people,
and social media obviously fuels that and whatever, But we

(30:25):
also do it the other direction, where we compare our
good fortune to other people's maybe not as good a fortune.
And I use fortune very loosely obviously. I believe it's
all like God ordained totally, but like that's a lie
from the enemy. Like the path that you are on
that the Lord is leading you down is yours, and

(30:47):
it's all different. And whether it comes to marriage and
looking for a spouse or having a health issue or
infertility or buying a house or your job or whatever,
it's like, there's all aways somebody who's going to have
it better than you. There's always somebody who's going to
have it worse than you. But you don't not share
your story because somebody has it worse than you, because

(31:07):
the Lord needs you to tell your story also. And yeah,
so that's just I've been thinking about that a lot
lately actually, And so I love that you brought that
up because I think that's that's great advice that the
other people I hope for cancer gave you. And totally yeah,
And there.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is the patience that said that.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right, And I was like, you're right, the people who
do have it worse, Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (32:11):
So yeah, I think you know, you go down there
for twenty one days, so I you know, being in
Mexico in January in.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
The Midwest, I'm going to complain about it. That was
pretty great.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
But you know, I had to like reframe my thinking where,
you know, why I'm healthy, why would this happen to me?
Or you know, the whole Like I told this story
today too that if it had been on my back,
let's say, I would like to think that I still

(32:44):
would have made the same decision. But you know, it's
easy to be like, I know, you know, just cut
it off, Yeah, cut it off. It's just easy, yeah,
and get back to my thing. But I believe that
this has all been orchestrated for a purpose, and that's
not where it was because I couldn't do that, and
now all the things that I've learned, and I am

(33:06):
not an expert. I am I know this much compared
to many people, but it's just my story. And so
I feel like my friends, my family, my extended family.
I mean I've really been able to help them heal
from things or at least share some hope or give
them some tools because of the things I've learned. And

(33:26):
to me, that is that's amazing, you know, yeah, to
be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, So what are like some of the things that
you learned there that you've integrated.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, so many things. I mean, first and foremost, it
was like juicing, fasting, red light therapy, coffee enemas. It's
like a big thing, but they're amazing. So and like
hyperbaric oxygen ozone therapy obviously you know the things that

(34:00):
you eat. I mean they did like hair analysis, you're
in sample, I mean all of it, blood work, thermography, ultrasounds.
So you know, I left feeling like, well, I know,
I don't have anything else because they do every test.
So it was just, yeah, I learned about parasite cleanses

(34:20):
and I mean all these different ways you know, you
shouldn't be wearing sunglasses because it blacks the sun from
you know, getting to your you know, direct sunlight, which
produces melanin, which is a natural sunscreen. I mean all
these things. I'm like, we even lied to about so
many things, and it's all marketing. It's to sell a product.

(34:40):
They don't care that it might make you sick. It
is to sell a product. So so those were the
main ones. And then the most exciting one that I
was like, well, this is a no brainer was hydrogen water,
and so I started learning about that. I would recommend
anybody who is on a cancer journey for sure to
get doctor Tony's book. It's called Hope for Cancer. It's phenomenal.

(35:02):
But before I went down there, I had had a
conversation with someone who had already been there, because I
just wanted to know kind of what to expect. And
she said, because I wasn't leaving for a month, I
was going to go right after Christmas. And I said,
all right, what are three things I should do over
this month just to get me semi prepared? And she
said fasting I was already doing. I started adding like

(35:22):
three day water fasts instead of just intermit fasting and
then juicing, which I did not have a juicer at
the time, so I ordered a juicer that she recommended,
and then hydrogen water and I thought, okay, like as
at hydrogen a gas. I'm so confused. I've never heard
of this before. And so she sent me this information
and we looked at it, and Chris looked at it
and he said, well, this is a no brainer because
he was still dealing with his stuff and basically the

(35:45):
science behind what hydrogen water can do is insane and
it's really it's linked to I think over one hundred
and seventy disease models, like having a positive effect cancer, Parkinson's, well, Alzheimer's,
like all these things. Yeah, So we bought it and
it sits on our counter and all of our water
comes through that, and then we use it for we

(36:07):
really our goal with STAM have a non taxic home,
so no cleaners. So it produces like hyperglorous acid, which
is non toxic, but it's stronger than bleach. You can
use to clean your fruits and vegetables and so many
medicinal benefits. It's just yeah, awesome. I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
So cool, yeah, and so cool to have tools to
carry with you at Post Mexico and for the rest
of your life. You know, yeah, I actually know a
handful of people who have gone to Hope for cancer
and it's so cool to hear their stories because they
learned so much. And this past week, I actually I
spent a week essentially in the hospital visiting someone else

(36:46):
who was in the hospital. I was not in the hospital,
but being in that environment pretty much not stop for
a week, and then having because I was helping advocate
for this person, having conversations with medical and nurses and
so called patient advocates and an oncologist.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So eye opening.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And I am not one of those people who doesn't
go to the doctor. I do. I actually have really
great doctors, so you know, it all depends on your experience.
But being in an environment where I was removed from
the providers I had chosen and instead was just kind
of face to face with like the medical system in general,
and who you're at the mercy of that happens to

(37:29):
be the person on call or whatever. And you know,
I'm not poop pooing everything like modern medicine. There's so
much that we have that's truly like praise God because
you know, my mom wouldn't be here today without you know,
so many of the advancements that we have. But just
like having a conversation with an oncologist where you're asking

(37:50):
a question about I specifically asked about dietary recommendations for
this person that I'm advocating for who has cancer. And
we'd already talked about all of the medical stuff. We'd
already talked about, you know, the fact that there was
no other real like option for curing this cancer, and
so I just asked about dietary recommendations for what would

(38:13):
you suggest? Are there swaps that we could do this
instead of this, or things that should be removed from
the diet, you know, to help starve cancer cells or something.
And the oncologist like, you know, poo pooed me and
basically said, well, yeah, people always come in here and
talk about starve cancer cells. She's like, they use that
language every time, and she's like, that's just not a thing,

(38:35):
and she said and then she proceeded to essentially validate
what I had said by saying, I mean, should you
get rid of sugar out of your diet? Probably? And
I'm like, okay, well, is that not what I just said.
But also, I'm not asking, you know, is eating this
magical papaya from the Amazon right a silver bullet to
cure my cancer. That's not what I'm asking I'm asking
for dietary recommendations to help someone who's trying to you know,

(38:58):
food is fuel, and and it was just shocking to
me to have a person who is an oncologist, who
was specialized in this area of medicine, who has gone
through nursing school and medical school and come out credentialed
and now works in this hospital system to then respond
to that kind of a basic question with that kind

(39:19):
of an answer. It was it wasn't shocking to me,
but it was so it's wrong, upsetting to me.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, it was so funny. We saw the food that
they bring in yep, I mean guys, jellos, no.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Good, no good, and so so much, so much sugar,
so much, I mean, just horrible.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well, I'll tell you to give you an example of
the difference. So I'm there for twenty one days. We
did have Sundays off, so we were there six days
a week. Okay, you're eating raw vegan, which I'm not
really a huge fan of, Like my red meats, but
you know, grass bed. It was so amazing. The food
was so amazing. It's beautiful, it was colorful, it was

(40:03):
so tasty. I didn't think I needed to lose weight.
I lost sixteen pounds. Well, it was all inflammation, because
when you're eating a non inflammatory diet, guess what happens, right,
You lose th inflammation and inflammation is the root of
so many diseases. So for me, I ate less because
I was I wasn't hungry. I was being fueled by

(40:25):
this real food and I knew that, but I lived
it for three weeks. I'm like, this is actually so amazing.
And you know, I'm not a soda drinker. I really
don't drink I don't drink alcohol now, but I really,
you know, those days were you know, long ago, and
I'm not, you know, opposed to once in a while
having a good glass of wine or a good margarita,

(40:47):
but you know, normal, No, I just don't. I don't
feel like I need it. Plus now it's like you know,
when you know, you know, and so it's just more
toys than your body, right, So it was fascinating to me,
Like I felt like a million bucks, you know. Then
you're in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber for an hour a day,
which is like you get out feel like you could

(41:08):
run a marathon. Vitamin CIVS, red light there. I mean,
it was just it was incredible. Yeah, and this is
why people go there who are told by their oncologists,
you have six months to live, you have three weeks
to live. I don't know who these doctors think they are,
that they can put a death sentence on somebody an
expiration date. And these people go and they're like, well,

(41:32):
you know, I might as well throw everything at it.
And they you would walk into this place and you
minus maybe one or two. There's thirty patients there at
a time, although I think they've expanded. You would not
think it. You couldn't tell the difference between the spouse
or the person with cancer, except the person with cancer
had a robuon right. Literally, Wow, they looked so good.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah. What is like the craziest story you know from
there of like someone who was essentially given a death
sentence who or maybe you don't know enough about the
other stories to me.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I mean, there's a woman Kate who had I want
to say, she had eleven lesions on her brain and
she was like it was bad, she was going to die.
She had a six year old daughter, I think, single mom.
And she came for three weeks and then I think
she actually came for more than that. I think she
was there for six weeks and got home and followed

(42:27):
the protocol and did all the things and she is clean.
Well yeah, wow. I mean there's many stories of people
that a good friend of mine went with. I think
it was stage three breast cancer. And here's the other thing.
And this is not I'm not telling anyone not to
do certain treaments. It's not I would. I would advise
my family like my you know, my mom or my sister,

(42:50):
if they called me to not do chemo, try other
things first.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But and different things and different times call for to
different treatments like totally.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And I think the biggest message, I feel like the
biggest message that people forget is that when you get
a diagnosis, rarely is it eminent. Like you're if you
don't make a decision today in this office, you're going
to die tomorrow. You can take a pause, you can
take a break, you can get a second opinion, you
can pray, you can you know, look into a holistic clinic.

(43:27):
Many insurances now will cover it if you're you know
I mine didn't, but or at.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
HSA or something, yeah, probably get helps.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
A lot of people will do go fundmes or gifts
and goes. I mean, people are very generous. And so
that's the thing I think people, you don't have to
have this knee jerk reaction. And and unfortunately many oncologists like,
this is business and if they're afraid you're going to
walk off the door and you know, go get a
second opinion, they're not happy about that. So, like my

(43:58):
mom right now has a basil cell spot on her
face and they're basically harassing her to come in and
deal with it. And I'm like, if they call you again,
give me the number. I will call them. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
That was another vibe in the in the hospital when
I was there this past week was there was one
patient advocate again in air quotes in particular, that my
husband and I were like, she's a vulture. She's circling
around like essentially waiting for this person to die or
to be moved. It's like, you know, give me your money,
give us the bed, like whatever it is, it is

(44:34):
it's such a the profit motive is just so you know,
the incentives are not there to actually heal. And again,
like this does not go for all healthcare practitioners, absolutely not, right,
you know, there's so many persons like there it's foolish
not to use some of the tools that we've been given.
And I guess I do think that goes both ways though,
where when it comes to the lifestyle changes and the

(44:56):
dietary changes, why not why not make that change? Like
what's the downside even if you are seeking you know,
more traditional Western medicine like medical interventions, what's the downside
to doing other things too? And I think that about
you know, mental health stuff. It's not just physical health,
Like why not you know, talk to somebody who is

(45:18):
like a Christian that does counseling that can help you,
you know, replace like whatever that is with truth like
SSRIs are not your only option, you know, And there's
just there's so much out there, And I do think
like that's one benefit of where where we are now
because it's not just this one book or whatever. We
have so many people who are so well informed, and

(45:41):
just the access that we have to experts where you
don't need to just happen to live in the same
town as the person who does this. Well, you can
learn from you know, the experts. And again I use experts.
I'm not talking about the Anthony Faucius. I'm talking about
the people who actually know what they're talking about. You know,
the specialist in a field that like is actually practicing

(46:02):
good medicine that you can get so much from them,
from a podcast that they're on, or from a book
that they wrote, or from you know, articles that we
now have access to in our pockets because we have phones. Like,
there's just so much. And so then when you come
when you come face to face with healthcare practitioners who
are so awful, it's just such a reminder that while

(46:24):
we we don't have to do it this way, we
have others.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
We're so far but that's just because mainstream most people
just have not been educated. So I you know, it's
not my job, but I think part of what I
love to do is just share. By sharing my story,
by default, it might have people go, wait, you did what,
why did you do that? And then they're so curious
and now you know, again I'm not an expert, but

(46:51):
there's that no light trust factor. So if I do
share something that about a certain tea or something that
why are you taking that? Well, this is what the
ingredients are and this is why. And you know, and
I obviously have people that I you know, send what
do you think about this? What do you think about this?
And they'll say, oh, actually that's really good or eh,
it's not really good. Do nothing for you.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, And it's not just cancer. I mean, it's like
gas is you know, the pill is such a huge
thing for women, Like women have been lied to four
years and just even looking at the side effects, which
are actually just effects, Like if a pill does something
to you, it's not just an accident, Like it does
that thing to you, yes, And like how many women

(47:31):
have just had this prescribe to them as a band
aid to fix whatever else and just ruin their lives.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
And it's just like.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
There is a better way and we can ask questions
and we don't just have to take the first doctor
who walks in the room and says I'm the best
at this, so therefore, you know, I'm going to take
a scalpel to your face.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like, well, the other thing you just said that made
me think of you know, people yes, Let's say you've
been on a path for ten Ye'll say you've been
on birth control for fifteen years or you know, and
you start to realize, oh shoot, and maybe that's some
of my problems. You know, there are some really great
ways to detox your body, so it's never you know, yes,
did it do damage? Sure, potentially. You know, the goal

(48:12):
is to really be on nothing. You really should strive
to be on zero pharmaceuticals. My mom's eighty six and
she's on zero wow nothing Wow. I mean her cholesterol.
They tell her she needs to be on statins, and
that is not true. She does not have that high cholesterol.
So but she wouldn't have gotten on if she didn't,

(48:33):
you know know, or she wouldn't call me and say,
what do you think? I'm like, Mom, No way, like
two fifty. If you were at four hundred or three fifty, maybe,
but so I think this is where you know there,
it's not like, well, you know, I took that for
fifteen years, so I'm screwed, right. No, there's so many
ways to detox your body, and you start small.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yep, you know, marginal changes are good.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
So good. And I remember when when I went to
hope for camp. I had already been living a pretty
clean lifestyle and when I went to my nutrition appointment,
I love this woman, this doctor, and I was like
so excited. I was like okay, and Beth was with me.
She came down for five days to stay with me
because you can bring a guest and because my husband

(49:18):
couldn't travel, and she I'm like, you take notes. I
just want to listen. So we were both like, okay,
what about this? What about this? She said, this is great.
Nobody comes into this appointment excited because they're I'm telling
them no more fast food, right, I'm like, best food, ew,
you know. So that was super fun, and I think
for her it was fun to see someone who came
in and really wanted to know, you know, wanting to

(49:42):
make changes. And I actually just this week finally have
an advocate here in Madison, a new doctor that I
found that, you know, I just I've been doing this
all on my own for three years, which is really exhausting.
And I'm a patient for life. Once you go to
hot for cancer, you're a patient for life. You can
go back to pay for it. But so I can

(50:02):
email them anytime I want, I can send them my
blood work that they will, you know, look at it.
So that's amazing, awesome. But I really wanted that personal
connection and so I think that was orchestrated by God
as well, because she's a perfect fit for me and
she's actually going through healing from cancer as well, and
we just clicked. So I feel really good about having
somebody now like that I could go see in person fit.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Ye too, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Oh your story is so
cool about that, and I just, yeah, I hope people
know that there are alternatives and that also it's okay
to change your mind, Like yes, you can be an
absolute like diet coke guzzling, hospital going, you know, traditional
medicine person and decide that maybe I want to try

(50:46):
this other thing and there's no shame in that, and
that's all.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And I was big on intermitt and fasting for a
long time and then I realized I'm not. So when
my son got married, I was still feeling like, oh,
I've just got this little bit of extra weight that's
back and I don't I can't. I'm working out, I'm
eating well, and I wasn't getting enough protein. I had
to figure that out on myself. If I'm not starting
to eat until eleven. I can't get in one hundred

(51:11):
grams of protein. So I just one day I just
decided to start. I still have a twelve hour window,
sometimes thirteen, but I was eating right away in the morning.
They fell off. Wow.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, and then my dress was too big.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Oh no, what a horrible problem to have women hate
when that happens. Oh my word. Okay, So before I
let you go, I'm going to end this how I
have been ending it with all of my guests, which
is a rapid fire around where I just ask you
fun questions and feel free to elaborate if you want,
but otherwise you can keep it short and soon if
you want to. Okay, First of all, I want to
know what you're reading.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Right now, well, reading the Bible, because it's something that
I have not I read a Bible Bible in the
year or last year. Okay. And now I'm doing, you know,
different books with a group of mine good friends. I'm
also reading I always try to read like an entrepreneurship book.
But Ray Higden is a is an author. He has

(52:06):
his books are now like faith Driven Wealth, faith Driven
on entrepreneurship. So I'm reading both of those right now?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Okay, cool, cool, good good books. What are you reading
in the Bible? Specifically?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
We're doing Ruth? Oh right now? Okay, which is my
middle name? Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
How lovely, very nice. Okay, we just got done talking
about food as fuel and everything. But what is your
guilty pleasure? Food like the hardest thing maybe for you
to give up or to resist despite your I mean
healthy wow, pro Well, I was going to ask you
what your favorite cocktail is, too, so maybe that answers.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I really enjoy tequila, good tequila, like really good tequila.
I have a very high tolerance that came. It's a
gift from my father maybe okay, and one of my
kids has it as well, And so it's almost like,
what's the point of drinking because it doesn't really affect
me much. So I really enjoy a good a good margarita,

(53:04):
or even just sipping on a really good tequila.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Okay, maybe that I would say for food, I don't.
I don't really have a sweet tooth. I really love
chips and salsa. Oh, and like the healthy chips aren't
nearly as good.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I try to stick with the healthy chips.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
That is true. I thought I had a corn allergy
for a little while, so I switched to like grain
free to rye chips, which were well. Part of the
reason I thought I had a corn alergy was because
this issue was never going away, and we eat like
lots of Mexican food and like white chicken chili with
tortilla chips, you know, like everything had corn in it,
And switching to those healthy chips, it's like I acquired

(53:42):
a taste for them. But man, when I decided the
corn alergy was was real and I switched back to
the real tortilla chips, I was like, Wow, have you
tried vasa chips yet? Massa chips?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
No, I have a eato, but I really want to.
They're probably like seventeen dollars a bag.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, probably. That's another thing is like nortia chips are cheap.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But but then you're kind of like, well maybe you're
only supposed to eat handful.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
We don't need to go there.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Okay, edit that out?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, no, gone, Okay, what is Okay, let's start with
what is one thing that you would tell your like
twenty five year old self.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh gosh, how much time do we have? I think
being a woman being raised to never complain, not allowed
to really make mistakes. High achiever, so you got to
get good grades, you got to be top athlete, like
all these things. And I'm not saying that those things
are bad. I mean I love doing those things. But

(54:44):
it filtered into then, you know, as a mom and
a wife, feeling like you could do it all, and
then there was no room or no need to have
God there because I had it all handled.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And I think the best advice I've been able to
give my kids, or like Ashley or you know, my
younger self, would be, don't try to do that. It's
okay to show your vulnerable side. It's okay if you
make a mistake and just be like, well that didn't
go like I planned. And I could do that as
a teacher easily, yeah, but you know, doing that at home.

(55:18):
And it's not that I didn't like help or whatever,
but I didn't feel like I needed it, and so
it kind of came a badge of honor. And then
I realized I needed to set my kids straight because
I don't want them to think that's what they have
to find in a spouse, right, because you know that's
not really real.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I mean I want them to, you know, but you
know the kids are like, mom, you're such a badass mom,
and you know you kind of start to be like, well,
yeah I am, and I fight would fight for my kids,
and I did that in all the ways. But I
just think it's overrated to try to feel like you
have to do it all. It's not.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Kind of it's overrated and not fulfilling. Totally, not as
fulfilling as you'd think.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, Okay, on the flip side of that, what is
your favorite thing about your current stage of life?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Oh my gosh, Well, it's really nice having adult children
because they're much more fun. Yeah, we in what way?
Oh my god? You I mean my kids were pretty
pretty easy, and I loved them when they were at
every stage. But you know, we were just in Chicago
for a weekend and laughed so hard. Literally, I was like, stop,

(56:26):
my face is hurting. We had so much when we're
all crammed in one hotel room. I don't know why
we thought that was going to be fun, but it
was fun and just you know, you don't have to
worry about oh gosh, we got to get home, we
got to put the kids to bed or and just
you know, we really believed in parenting and not being

(56:46):
friends with our kids, and now we can be friends
of their kids. Yes, and it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
That's such an awesome switch and such a good way
to put that, because you know, I'm not a parent yet,
but like, there's a lot of people get that backwards,
and it's hard to I'm sure hard to find that
line because you want to be friends with your kids.
Of course it doesn't work, but I'm sure you can
be friends with your kids now because you weren't friends
with them when they were kids. And that's a cool

(57:13):
that's a cool crossover.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
What is your favorite brick and mortar like store to
shop in?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Oh? I do like everyve Okay for like clothes. Okay,
there's a cute little place in Okamla called Frey. I
like that place. Okay, don't really do a whole lot
of you know, I have what I need? Yeah, grab
a sweat, new sweater here and there, love shoes, love boots, Okay,
so you know, but I get all that online.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, where did this sweater come from? Because it's super cute.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
This is from Zara. I got in in Florida when
I was at my business conference two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Nice, it's super cute. It's a great color.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, okay, this is probably gonna be my last one.
What is your favorite conspiracy?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Oh? Girl, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I knew I was opening a can of worms here.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Like either because you find it super odd and like
totally out there, or like the one that you're like,
I can't believe I believe this.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I can't believe I believed it.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Sure, yes, can't believe you no longer believe it.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Oh well, it's like knowing who's going to see this. Okay,
there's so many.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You don't have to reveal that if you don't want.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Are so many. I mean the moon is like so
obvious to me.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Like the moon landing. Yes, okay, Like that's your favorite conspiracy?
I mean, and you currently believe it?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Okay, Yes, never happened. My husband's on Lord now and
there we have so many friends and there's I mean,
that's that's not that's a minor one.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
That is so funny. I mean, just time to reconvene
the Patriot Zoom so we can get everybody on board.
Is so fun, so funny. Oh my word, I love it.
I love it. Do you want to close the can
of worms there?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I mean there's you know, there's some dark ones that
are really sad, so we don't have to go there.
We don't want to end on a dark but no,
I think the fun thing is I feel like so
many conspiracy theories. I would never have considered myself that,
but you learn one and then you're like, well what
about this? What about this? And pretty soon you have
these people in your life that will come to you

(59:29):
with something you're like, yeah, that's probably a lie too,
Yeah yeah, which Jobby lie to and.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Be a very dangerous game because you lose you lose
touch with reality because there's nothing tethering you anymore, like
if you're just if it's just like this was another
problem with COVID because once we lost trust in the
experts and it was like everything's a lie? Yes, where
does that end? I know, you know, like it can
media are lying and the institutions in Hollywood, I mean

(59:54):
you can, it's like okay, touch grass, Like, yeah, a
lot of people lie, and a lot of people who
lie hold positions of power. But also there are things
that are true and are real, And I think, like,
thank God we have faith and the Gospel well, because
it's like we actually know what's real.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
So then you can bring back to that, because I think,
what is the best thing that happened out of COVID?
Besides I mean, you know, being saved again? Was that? Really?
None of it matters whether this is true or not,
whether this person's real, whether this person, I mean, there
are so many things it really doesn't matter because God

(01:00:30):
is in control, and really it's a distraction. Yeah, we
are meant to go down all these rabbit holes and
we want to know, and then we want to try
to fix and we want to try to tell everybody
about it, and we want to I can make really
light of a lot of them because if it's not true, okay, right,
whatever I thought was true, right, or it's fine. I

(01:00:52):
don't care if I'm wrong. It's entertaining, But I think
it's entertaining to me and not triggering to me anymore
because it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it all goes back to what we
know to be true. And it's what a blessing to
be able to build your life on that and let
everything flow out of that it's deliberating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yes, so liberating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, Susanna, I have had the best time. I always
have fun with you, but it was so great to
have you on the Kilie Cast. Thank you for joining
me today. Thank you, thank you so much for tuning
into this week's episode of the Kylie Cast. Once again.
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