October 23, 2025 • 49 mins
Devon Kramer returns to Fifty Shades of Bullshit! After a near-death experience, Devon dives deep with Christine into the realms of ghosts, demons, energy, and horror. From real encounters to spiritual theories and the fear that thrills us, nothing’s off-limits. Expect chills, laughs, and mind-bending moments as they explore what’s real, what’s energy—and what’s just pure bullshit. To reach Devon: 9vubesuniversal.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey everyone, and welcome to Fifty Shades of Bullshit. I'm
your host, Christine Lalan, and this is the podcast where
we uncover the truth about online dating.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Now let's begin.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Hey everyone, I'm Christine and this is fifty Shades of Bullshit.
How's everybody doing today? Welcome and thank you for coming. Today.
We have Devin back with us. Devin was here previously
and and I'm trying to find my info because I'm
having one of those days. So Devin has been here
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before with us. And Devin had a near death experience
that he came on and talked about manifesting and all
these amazing, incredible questions that he answered about life after
death or beyond in the field, and he returns today
because we are going to actually actually talk about ghosts, demons,
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energy and horror, and so let's bring Devon on. And
I believe that Devin doesn't have a camera today, so
Devin's going to be the voice beyond.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Hi, Devin, hello there, Thank you for having me again.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, God, are you kidding me? I adore you. I
think you're amazing, So thank you for being here again.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So I was like looking for a topic with Devin,
and I was like, what can we do that's fun?
Since Halloween is next week, and so we decided we
were going to talk about all this fun stuff today.
And uh, those of you who come on live every
week with us and participate, you're welcome to come up
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and ask questions with Devin as well. And you know
we're open forum today and you know do what we
can do, So just go with the flow. So devn
introduce yourself again if you would tell us a tiny
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bit about yourself, because some people are going to be
new they wouldn't have heard your other episode, so tell
us a little about you.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Uh So my name is Devin and most people know
me from nine vibes. I had a near death experience
in twenty seventeen. January twenty twenty seventeen was the day
that I died, and going through that whole entire experience,
I actually had moments where the field or what someone
called the universe some will call God, you know, whatever
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name you want to give it, shared a whole lot
of information with me. And so I basically spend my
days talking to people answering questions, whether it be scientific, spiritual, religious,
because I just I have these answers, and so I've been,
you know, going from different platforms and answering some of
the most difficult questions that we actually have out there.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I love that. I think that your answers are really fascinating.
I find them extremely interesting. And I talk about you, Devin.
I don't know if your ears are ringing all the
time or not, but I talk about you all the time.
I tell everybody about you. I'm like, oh my god,
you got to buy Devin's books. I have to say
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one of your books, though, I was really struggling with it.
I had to put it down. I was on a
plane and I was traveling. I think it was in June,
and I was trying to read it, and I don't
know what it was, but my brain could not wrap
around anything with it. And I wish that i'd grabbed
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them there on the other side of my office, darn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But which book?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm trying to remember which one it was. I'm going
to see if I can look it up. But we'll
come back to that. But I just couldn't wrap my
head around it. It was just my brain was like
what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You know, it was like, this.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Is complicated, and I just I couldn't do it. So
I put it down for a bit, and then I'm
going to try to get back to it now because
I thought, well, maybe now that a lot of things
have changed for me, A lot of things have changed
my life, so I'm thinking that maybe now it will
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show up differently, maybe can maybe understand it a little
bit more or But some of the stuff you talk
about is really in depth, and it's it's hard to
wrap your brain.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, I definitely did.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I wrote a book called Living a Line by three,
six and nine, and that one. That one, yeah, that
one is. You know, there's just a lot of information
from the Golden ratio vortex. Math Chakras numbers specifically, it
teaches errors. There's some in there, and it's more along
the lines of kind of like a structured book where
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you go from the next chapter and learn a whole new,
you know, set of information. So that one I don't
know which one you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
What was the other? There's another one that I got.
I got three of them. I got the three six
nine manifesting. I'm trying to find it, but damned if
I can. It'll probably take me too long. And I
guarantee as soon as I get off the show, it'll
show up.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's usually works.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It just will fucking show up.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The Awakening of the Eternal Secrets of the Ancient Mystics
is also designed that way.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That one has a lot of depth in it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's just, you know, misty, I think it's misty. Let
me look misty. Yeah, Missy says. Was it hard to
relate to the book at the time. I don't know
if it was relating it just it huh. It was
like it's like like now, when I'm trying to fucking
say something and the words are there, but I can't
grab them. I can't get the word to come out
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the way I want to. It's like it was like that.
When I was reading it, it was it rang true,
but I couldn't comprehind what some of it was saying.
Then I could have been distracted, I could have been high.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Any of those options, any of those options.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Plus I was on a plane and I was trying
to focus and I couldn't focus, so I put it down.
I needed a minute, and then I re read the
three six nine manifesting and now I think I'm going
to go back to the others.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I was really hoping I could find it, but no. Anyway,
eventually when I get through those books, I might have
a lot of questions because wow, but this is the
thing though, Devin. Since then, I've had to like magic
mushroom experiences, and a lot has completely changed for me.
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I even think that it changed some of my DNA
in some way because a few things that I was
allergic to before I did the magic mushrooms I'm not
allergic to more.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Oh wow, that's all.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Really, Yeah, it's weird, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Sure, it actually makes a lot of sense because the
things that we are allergic to are actually more programs.
So when you do something like magic mushrooms. You're actually
rewriting your own programming, which then rewrites your DNA and
your code, and so yeah, you can absolutely come out differently,
which is why they use that for quitting smoking, for
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quitting drinking those kind of things as well.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Well, it's pretty intense. I mean, you know, it was
kind of I'm glad we kind of got to that
because I was fighting off in dealing with demons. My
first experience six hours of dealing with demons, and it
was crazy. And one of the things we're going to
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talk about today is demons. So I thought that was
interesting that that popped up again. But I do have
some questions for you, Like, let's start out with ghosts. Okay,
do you believe that ghosts are leftover residual energy or
an imitation or do you think ghosts are really the
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soul or the spirit of the person that was here previously,
stuck in a place that they can't or haven't been
able to move on.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So there's two different ways that I actually put this
in a category. There's ghosts and there's hauntings. Those are
two completely different things. So the ghost is the rep
representation of basically the body once it collapses and it
ends up releasing energy. Then that energy stays in the
three D. But that doesn't have to just be death.
That's any traumatic or intense event. We're constantly releasing. We're
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biochemical and bioelectrical beings, and so we release this energy.
So there's the understanding of whatever energy you have inside
of you. When you walk into that energy, it's like
energy connects like energy, and so it's basically the animation
of that energy. It is not the person that is there.
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It's not their soul that is there. When you die,
your soul actually goes into the field. And so since
the field is all around us, you absolutely can interact
with it, such as songs, flickering lights, you know, doors
that open, those kind of things. But it's not the
actual person. It's their energy that got released in that space,
and then you connect to it. And then there's hauntings,
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which is basically the negative side of that. So if
you are dealing with grief or guilt, which are the
two g's that will kill you the fastest in life.
If you have too much guilt, too much grief, it'll
end up killing you. And so when you walk into
that space, and let's say you're dealing with grief, then
that energy connects to that and you can manifest the
haunting at that point. And then hauntings are on a spectrum.
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They can go all the way from something you see
the something that you're actually interacting with you.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think that we, our minds have the ability to
manifest a lot of things. Like one of the things
I was talking about was someone mentioned today, oh, isn't
that crazy how the Simpsons can predict things? And I
was saying, well, it's not so much prediction. It was
based off of something that was said at some point
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by Trump saying oh I make a great president blah
blah blah, and they ran with it. But then a
lot of people saw it in their brains manifested a
mass manifest Does that make sense.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I don't know if I said that right, But absolutely
humans are incredible manifestors. The biggest thing that is hidden
from humors from humans is how much they can manifest.
I mean, it's just absolutely incredible how often and how
well we can and so, yes, we'll put something in
the mind. Then when the group consciousness agrees on it,
then it ends up manifesting, and then we go, oh,
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they knew at the beginning. No, they actually just planted
the seed and the seed grew the tree.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Hm. Well, Anna Staves just says, do ghost change or choose?
Let me do this again. Do ghost choose to stay here?
Or are they forced to remain here? And now how
would you describe that type of energy stuck?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
So everything that I was shown in my NDE showed
that free will is the key to absolutely everything. So
there is nothing that is stuck in essence, And so
when you actually collapse in the three D and your
soul is released, you move on to the four D.
The only difference is the understanding that the four D
is connected also to the field. So that's how you
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can interact with loved ones. That's how you know different
moments can happen. But nobody is still in the three
D in terms of their actual soul.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
They have moved on.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I heard something recently that it was said that we're
only seeing ten percent of what's around us.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Correct, So you know that too?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh yes, kind of brings me out a little bit
thinking hmm, what else is there? And could a lot
of what people call a hants or spirits or something
just be the other ninety percent we're not seen.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Well, you can actually add to that and say that
you actually only see ten percent of what you manifest
So you're constantly manifesting things and you're only seeing, you know,
less than ten percent of what you're actually manifesting. So,
for instance, you may not see the dark figure that
you're actually dealing with inside of yourself. You may not
see that all the time, but then you're laying it
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bend one night and you look out and you see
this dark figure, and so it's just you manifesting. The
more in tune you get with yourself, the more you
then will be able to see the things you're actually manifesting.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Right, wow, wow, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense
to me. Did you see anywhere what it is beyond
that ninety what that other ninety percent is supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Or so?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
In my Yeah, So in my inde, not only did
I see colors I have never seen before, I also
saw energy. I saw energy moving around. So I talk
about the fact that I saw this bunny, and normally
what we believe is that, you know, the mechanisms within
the bunny make the bunny move, but I actually saw
the energy that was pushing the bunny to actually move.
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And so again we don't see these things, but they're
very much happening around us. And that's why things like
the cobble lot, the mystic books, what they're trying to
teach you is to see the unseen, to bring the
unseen into something you can actually see.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Interesting. You know, I've been hearing a lot lately about here.
I just had it and it just went right out
of my head. I've been hearing a lot lately about
how you know what? I lost it? Okay, it doesn't
want me to say it. I can't. I can't. Whatever
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it is, I can't get it out. Never mind, I'll
just ignore it and let it go actually and then
maybe it'll it'll come back to Oh, it was almost there.
Mickey just asked me some just asked something. She said,
Do the mushrooms have the power to make those change
in us? Or do we actually give it the power
to change us?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So the mushrooms have the power to do it because
they rewrite code. Everything in your body is code. In essence,
you're an algorithm. Right, repeat the same thing over and over,
you're going to know the outcome. And so what mushrooms
actually do is they tap in directly to the field.
So that field I'm always talking about that has all
the information everything about the slope, it actually directly connects
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to that. And so it just rewrites your code one
line at a time.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Now the question would be can you hold what you
actually rewrite or do you rewrite it to the old patterns?
And that's then where the power to change is involved
in the person.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I see what you're saying. Okay, okay, that makes sense
to me.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Uh oh, Misty asks when you have an nd how
do you explain where you go when in a coma?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
So an NDE and a coma are actually very close
to each other. But the only difference is that an
NDE actually crosses the three D plane and goes into
the four D whereas a coma is right on the
edge of it. So you can have almost similar experiences.
But to cross over to it, you have to believe
that you're dead. That's that's the key. If you look
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at every NDE and talk to them, the commonality as
we all believed that we had died, hence the word
near death experience, and so yeah, there's one that's right
on the edge. And then there's one that crosses over,
and they're two very very different experiences.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Okay, I remembered what I was gonna ask you. We
might not get to ghosts and demons and ship today.
This show just may go off the fucking rail. Okay.
So I think I died several times but didn't know
I died in jump timelines. Probably maybe I fell off
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the back, fell off a pool wall and didn't know
it was a ravine, thought it was just round and
I fell close to fifty feet backwards with nothing. I
hit a branch on my arm. I had this contusion
that looked like it my broke my arm, but I didn't.
I didn't. When I fell, I remember thinking I felt caught,
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like caught, and I don't remember the fall at all.
I don't remember being laid down. I just remember thinking,
there's a big rock under my head, Devin. It was
almost eighteen inches tall, this rock. It was in a
complete you, I mean point. It was right at the
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base where my neck and my head meet, and I
was I landed on it, but nothing was wrong with me. Nothing.
I didn't break a bone, I didn't have a concussion,
I didn't have any other than the contusion on my arm.
I had nothing, and my life was completely different. My
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husband didn't want to come pick me up from the hospital.
When I got taken to the hospital, he didn't want
to come pick me up. He didn't want to take
me to my car. And within a couple of weeks
he was moved out. Oh wow, my entire life completely changed.
But you know, that was the best thing that ever happened,
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was him leaving. So what do you what about instances
like that? What is happening when that's happened.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So that's actually really interesting because when you were falling back,
because of the fact that if you would have hit
that pretty much, you know, dead on, you'd most likely
be dead right a fifty foot in essence, so you
actually collapsed the three D and moved into the four D.
And the reason I'm saying that is because time is
different in the four D and and therefore so is gravity.
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And it's one of the things that I teach quite often,
which is that you know, science will teach us that
gravity is a pole. The upf proofs that gravity is
a push, and so it's like on a slope. So
even though you fell fifty feet and you moved out
of the three D into the forty That's what allowed
you to lend land on the rock and still be okay.
It's like pulling you out of it because your body
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only responds to what you believe. In other words, if
you actually believe you could fall fifty feet and not die,
that's exactly what your body would then produce. So in
this situation, it's not that you knew it. It's that
you moved into the four D, hit the ground, and
then came back into the three D.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Is that wild? That's the wildest thing it that has
happened to me. At least twice in my life. I
should have died twice. More than twice. I should have
died a whole bunch of times, Devin, I'm actually getting
flashes of places and things that I should have fucking
died and have no idea why. But yet my life
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was drastically different after like it. It almost like you
put me back in a different timeline.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
By the age of twenty nine, which is basically the
cycle of Saturn going around, you will already have one
NDE experience. So every single person, if you just ask
their age, you can find the area where they almost died.
But they didn't think about it. They didn't know what
a nd was. They didn't you hear about the stories,
and so they're just you know, oh I was lucky. No,
you had an NDE experience, and those moments are the
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things that change us.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Anastasia wants to know if you can define INDE.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
So yeah, the clear point of an NDE is that
you're in the four D, not the five D. So
there are three phases of life. There's the three D,
the four D, and the five D. And I talked
about this last time, but I'll just quickly cover this.
The three D is where the electron is negative, and
that's where all your manifestation comes from. That is why
it is easier to be sick than it is to
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be healthy. It is easier to believe that you are
poor than it is to be rich. It is easier
to be angry than it is to be kind. Right,
that's just the way that it is. In the three D,
everything starts in the dark, just like a seed in
the ground. We start in the three D, then we
move into the four D. The four D is where
time and memories and energy are completely different. And the
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reason they're different is because that electron I talked about
actually moves into neutral, which means in a neutral state,
you're not charged by your emotions anymore. You actually can
look at your life and say, oh, I understand that,
or oh I understand why that person did that thing,
and you're not growing through that phase anymore. You're just
understanding understanding it, yes, and that understanding changes the electron
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then to positive, which is then what moves you into
the five D. The five D is just like this
life right here. I wish people understood this. It's just
like this life. The only difference is that it is
easier to manifest and positivity in the five D. It
is easier to be healthy, easier to be rich, easier
to be headier in that state.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Do we live in the five and three D at
the same time.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So all three are technically all exist at the exact
same time. But it's our understanding that the three D
is different time, the four D is space and time,
and the five D is the reverse of the three D.
So you have to start in a three D to
get to the five D because it would really suck
if we started in the good place then died, then
moved on to the worst of them, you know, So
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you start in the three D and moved to the
five D.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Gotcha, And how's the five D different than the field?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
So they're all actually connected in the field, it's just
a matter of the five D is where you actually
believe the field.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Is working for you.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You actually have that understanding that you can have the
things that you want without changing who you are, whereas
in the three D that is a very different belief.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Interesting because that's how I kind of feel here already. Yes,
I'm getting to the point with my manifesting and with
my life that I just feel like I'm capable of
changing and making massive changes just with my manifesting and beliefs.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Then ifore yes, because what you're doing is you're moving
into the four D, which is that neutral space, and
you're changing something in yourself. And when you change, you
actually then are kind of like living between the three
D and the forty. You're borrowing from the forty that
awareness without neutrality in that neutrality, and then you're borrowing
the five D, which is to flip your own electron.
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The craziest part is if science would actually record the
electron around somebody that's spiritual. You will actually find that
it is changing its charge from negative to positives.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Interesting. That would be fascinating to see. Oh I remembered
finally what it was that I was gonna see. I
knew if I let it go the what's it called
the Mandel mendeliphant? Yes? What the actual fuck? Because it
seems like the mendelih effect is getting faster and faster.
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There's so much from my own childhood that everything now
is like, oh, no, that didn't happen that way, or no,
it wasn't that way when I fucking loved it, I
know what, you know what I mean? Like, what is
that about?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the Mendela effect coined? You know?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
The Mandela effect is basically the understanding like you were
talking about, where things that we remember are not things
that are in this reality. There's many different things that
people believe. They believe that cern flipped a machine and
it ended up, you know, crashing the electron into the electron,
and then it created a wormhole. There are people that
believe that we jumped, you know, to another earth. But
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the way that I like to describe it is we
collapsed on one of those slopes that I'm constantly talking about.
And when we collapsed onto that slope, we created a
double slid experiment. And if you know about the double
slid experiment, do you know about that?
Speaker 4 (24:57):
No?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
So the double slid experiment. Say it again, it's called
the double slit experiment. Double slid Okay, yes, So it's
basically where two slits were basically put in this experiment,
and they were firing electrons, and when the electrons were
being watched by somebody, so, in other words, when the
scientist was actually watching the outcome, they were responding differently.
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When nobody was watching it, it would then respond a
different way than that way, therefore proving that even an
electron knows that it's being observed. And what's so fascinating
is that what we did is we created a double
slit experiment. If you go through door A, you remember
all the things before the collapse, and therefore you feel
crazy because the world just doesn't add up right. The
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wolf never laid down with the lamb. It has always
been the lion of Judah lay down with the lamb,
and so you feel like you're crazy. If you go
through the other slit, let's call it the b slit.
Then literally you're just looking at reality and going, no,
there's absolutely no way that it used to be that way.
That's what you're seeing in the stigmatism in basically, like
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for instance, on matrix mysteries, where you see people that
will argue, and it's just because we're going through different
slits and getting different outcome.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah. I always saw that people having different beliefs or
different ways of observing things was due to how you know,
their nurture, their nature, all the things in their life
formed this way that they think, and so therefore they're
seeing it in a different way than somebody else who
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was nurtured or natured in another way.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Right, And that's pretty much what it is. Everything comes
down to choice. But what's so incredible is that when
that slope collapsed, we actually created those two slits. And
so now that's why someone will say I will die
on that hill because that is the slit they went through.
That is the door they went through, and it will
not change regardless.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
So I see reincarnation in different timelines. Say say, let's
use me for an example. Okay, I know that I've
lived multiple time lines. I know that I've lived in
you know, different, uh reincarnation things. I ever since you
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were on the show last time, and since my like
mushroom journeys, I see time. During my mushroom journey, I
saw time as a line up, not not a line horizontal,
a line vertical. And it's almost like my energy is
shot right through the time. All this time, all these
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layers of timelines and history and future and past president
blah blah blah, all these things. I just saw my
energy just completely through all of them all at once.
And so history folds in on itself even though we
see it as the past, it's still like layered upon
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the layers. That's that's how I rainsaw on. How would
you describe what that is supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Like?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Am I close? Am I not? So?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Time is really fascinating, and especially depending on which process
we're talking about, the three D, forty and five D,
they are all different in a way. So when you
saw when you did mushrooms again, that rewriting is always
going to rewrite you to the four D not the
three D. Right, there'd be no reason to do mushrooms
if you were just rewriting the three D because we
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already have that understanding. So you're moving into the four D,
and time is different in the fort D. In other words,
what I mean by that is that is why people
will say they had life reviews. That is why I
was given all of this knowledge in what felt like
you know less than ten minutes. Is because of the
fact that the four D expands time. It's kind of
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like walking into a library where you have books all
around you, and there the books are running with time,
but you get to pick it up and read it
outside of that understanding of time. So the first thing
that you would have to break through is to get
rid of that linear belief of time, which is why
it sent you a vertical belief. Right, it's showing you
another perspective, but in reality, draw a circle around both
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of those and you now have the understanding of time
somewhere down. Yeah, it is up and down. It is horizontal,
and then it is also omnidirectional. In other words, it
is moving from one singular point radiating out in every
single direction.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Oh gotcha. So like almost like the core is my
is me, my soul, it radiates outward instead of up, downside,
It just it goes out.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Okay exactly, And what happens when a ripple in water
hits another rock, it comes back, it ripples back. So
that's then where we're having experiences like deja vu. In
other words, you're rippling out on a timeline, and once
that timeline hits something as a reference point, it ripples
back and you go, oh, I've done this before, I've
seen this.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Okay, that's why.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Okay, that makes a fucking shit ton is sick. Oh
my god. Misting wants to know how can we quantum
leap into a parallel timeline and what does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Right? Yeah, there's a lot of different ways to view that.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
So in terms of like manifesting, right, when I teach
thirty six day journey, that's an example of that. By
day eighteen you have officially changed your frequency, which means
you changed your environment. Right, the number one rule, change
the way you think, you change your world in essence,
so it's the exact same thing. That's one example. Another
fun way that you can actually do this is with water.
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You can actually take two glasses of water, build them
up with water, charge them. I'm always a believer in
charging your water. But then what you can do is
you can actually write the timeline that you're in currently
and the timeline and experiences you want to experience. And
so now that you have these two different waters, you're
making a choice. This is something that's missing from this
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whole thing. Choice is the key to everything. So then
you create a pattern with that, drink the water, and
you'll notice that your life will start to become exactly
what you wrote down.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah. I do a lot of manifesting with water. I
use numbers, I use energy, I speak into it. I
think that everything is a vibration, everything like even you
know this computer here, my mic, everything around me is
just I'm bringing it into existence because it's what my
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brain wants to see.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Maybe yep.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And then I think that water is the most powerful
element that we could possibly have. And uh, I believe
that if we're going to manifest, we we should be
using water.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Yes, water is absolutely the key. So it is the
most influenced. So that's why you know the moon when
it ends up moving, now again we're going to go
away from the pole because I don't believe that it pulls.
When the moon moves, it actually pushes the water. And again,
because water is very influential, it then creates tides. So
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when you charge your water, let's say, to a frequency,
you actually rewrite the structure of that water. Your blood
is made of water, and so when you end up
rewriting the water that you're drinking, you end up actually
changing the code in your blood. So there's many different
things that correlate to water, whether you're talking about religion
or you're talking about spirituality. Okay, another way that you
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can quantum leap or change parallel timelines is going to
be through meditation. There's no question whatsoever. And I'm not
talking about the meditation where you silence your mind and
sit in silence kind.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Of thing to do that.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Right, Yeah, when I teach kids how to meditate, I
don't teach them how to silence at all. I actually
teach them how to make a playlist of music that's
really positive for them. It gets there basically bio energy going,
and then they're easily able to then tap into that
meditation of state.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
There's no difference between if you go silence and you
believe that you're receiving a message or you imagine that
you're a knight and you're going to a castle. It's
the exact same thing in terms of being able to
do that. And so when you master that level specifically
for you know, parallel timeline, you absolutely can move through
that four D and start experiencing another timeline.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I do a lot of manifesting. I mean I talk
about it on here all the time. I do a
lot of you know, sex magic kinde of aid for it.
It brings a different kind of energy. And I gotta
say when there are times I like to get I
like to get high when I'm doing it because it
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takes me onto it. I think it takes me into
the four D a lot. I don't. I don't know
if I've been to the five D maybe maybe maybe
I've glimpsed into it maybe, but I definitely have been
in the four.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, glimpsing into the five D is possible in the
three D body, it's just not possible to physically be there.
So you can bring Remember the Bible says bring heaven
to earth, so bring you can bring the five D
into your three D experience. You just cannot actually go
from a three D to a five D actual experience
and call it your reality.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Do you have to be like you have to lose
this body to go into that five D simens.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Yeah, so you have to collapse the actual body slope
to move into the four D. Now, what's really interesting
about the time that we're in, and it's happened before
throughout history, is that technology can actually teach us how
to collapse the four D and instantly go from the
three D to the five D. Think of it like
a wormhole, right so right now I'm talking about it
as a space that you go into and you actually
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have an experience, which is what all nds are talking about.
But we actually can get to a place of collapsing
that four D and instantly going from the three D
to the five D.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
It's interesting because when I'm manifest inanitating, when I'm doing
any kind of energy like oh, breath work, breath work,
feels like.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I get there.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Oh Missy said, if you get to the five D D,
can you rearn?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Can you return?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Yeah, so yeah, it's inevitable that you will actually return.
It's because of the fact there'sre's nothing after the five D.
So once you get to the five D and you
live the life that you want, you have all the
experiences and it's hard to imagine, but basically you have
all these experiences you want, and you finally get to
a place of saying, okay, I'm ready for something new.
Then you go back into the three D. And so
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we're constantly moving from the three D to the four
D to the five D. And again the difference is time.
So what I mean by that is you could actually
have let's say fifty years here in the three D,
go through the four D, and while you're in the
four D, because time is differently, fifty years could go
by on Earth. And then when you get to the
five D, time is differently from the f to the
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three D, just like time dilation. The closer you get
to the Sun, the slower time you slows down for you.
So even though you're a normal person interacting and doing things,
time is still going by on Earth. So that's why
you will always come back. But time always makes things better.
It is better today for witches than it was three
hundred years ago. It is better today even for LGBT
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than it was one hundred years ago. So constant understanding
that you want to go back because you go, oh,
it was about to get better.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I want to have this experience.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Okay, I see that. Do you think here I want
to go between we were talking about ghosts and we
were talking about demons at one point too. Do you
think that there's a big difference between a ghost energy
and a demonic energy?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Not really in the terms of negative energy versus positive energy.
So okay, what I mean by that is, if you
think about it, every single ghost story that exists always
has an origin and always has some kind of way
to solve it. Right, pick any horror movie that you want,
So let's take the Conjuring Universe. One of my favorite
ones to dive into. The Conjuring Universe is all about
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a demon called Valik, which is the demon of guilt.
It comes from the Catholic Church. Guilt comes with the
Catholic Church. So the demon of Valik haunts all the
way through. But what's so fascinating is if you watch
the movie, you will find that the key to get
rid of Valiic is its name, and the name is
scattered all throughout the movie. So the demon doesn't actually
exist outside of the people that are interacting with the demon.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's their energy.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And because it's their energy, they created a key, a
way out of it, a way to deal with it,
and that's the.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Power of the name interesting.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So every haunting, it's not a question of whether or
not it's real. Demons are real, ghosts are real. In
the understanding, energy is absolutely real. Right, if you're in
Haiti and you're dealing with you know, voodoo, all of
that is real. It's a question of what can hurt
you and what cannot hurt you is the thing that
you name and claim. It's that simple. It's when we
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fear it, we don't name it. When we fear it,
we don't claim it, and therefore it ends up becoming
something that then drains us.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Interesting. Yeah, when I find that, you know, things happen
around me all the time, things move. Everybody's like, oh,
you got ghosts attached to you or you know whatever
attached to you. Well, when I was afraid of it,
it had a lot of power over me. When I
started talking to it, and you know, taking that that
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scared unknown entity away from that, it made it. It
hardly does anything now.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Right, right, And that's the way it's designed. And so
I was the same way. A lot of people don't
know this, but before my Nde, I was scared of everything.
If you've ever seen that movie Page Master, that was me.
I was scared of demons and ghosts. I was scared
of things under the bed. I was scared of hauntings.
I was raised in the Church, and that's what they
taught you, you know, fear basically everything that isn't of
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the church. And so I was absolutely terrified of everything.
And there's this moment where I was reading the Kibalon,
which is the seven Hermetic Principles, and it was talking
about duality, and I realized something. I go, if a
little girl crawls through my TV and I can actually
see this happening, then by the rules of duality, by
the universal law of duality, in equal light also has
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to exist. So if I wasn't seen that light, I
was going to become that light. And that changed the
way then that I dealt with anything that was fearful.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Oh I love that. Oh I love that. So when
I was going through my mushroom journey, I felt like
I felt like I was like the knowledge that the
reason that I had all of these dark entities, all
these darkman type things, negative energy attached to me because
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of all of the terrible, shitty things that had happened
to me in my life. And then it was just
a residual dark entity energy from that circumstance, right is.
And then I was just battling them. I was like
releasing them, getting rid of them, you know, understanding that
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I didn't need them attached to me anymore. So does
that make sense or is that kind.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Of Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So resonance decoherence, right, So, you basically had a moment
that was a high level of decoherence. And so even
if you as an individual started to get more coherence
in your life, you're still surrounded by that. And so
the more that you build that resonance, the more that
you heal yourself whatever it is. It could be father issues,
it could be mother issues, whatever it happens to be.
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The more that you heal that, the more then that
there is no more haunting. There is no more dreams
that are doing that. And the problem is is that
most people just don't actually know in their core memories,
which is why I wrote that book Core Memory Healing,
right Chocker. Core Memory Healing is because of the fact
that that pinpoints those exact moments that you actually released
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another energy that could haunt you.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
That's the book. There, it is, was it that one
was it, and I couldn't fucking grasp it at all.
But I think now that you actually talked about it again,
and since my experiences with the mushrooms, I think I
can understand it better. Now I'm going to try to
reread that.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I think, Yeah, chakras are the key. They hold all
your energy. You have seven different chakra centers inside of
your body, and they're not connected.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
To each other.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
So you don't just heal the root chakra and suddenly
you're fine in the throat chakra. Each one of these
have been collecting energy and they were given to us
to hold energy because bad shit happens, right, Bad things
happen in our lives, and so you can hold that energy.
If you don't work through that energy, if you don't
transmute that energy, it literally becomes the haunting. And so
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for instance, somebody who let's say, had issues when they
were younger with sexual issues and then has them as
an adult. It's all held in the sacred chakra. So
until you heal that, you're going to end up making
the same choices, which is just like a haunting. Right,
date the same man, date the same woman. You're being
haunted by your choices of repeatability, and so yeah, it's
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it's very important that we go through that and pinpoint it.
And it's a hard book to read because most of
my students meet one on one with me to go
through it, you know, because you know different questions.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, it is hot, it is It is a lot
to wrap your mind around it. It'd be like half
a page long, one little fucking question section and I'll
get through it and I'll go, Hi, I understood about
half of that. And so then I read it again
and I go the part that I understood, got a
little bit deeper and kind of got another part of it,
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and I was like, oh god, this is hurting my mind.
So I had to take a break. But I think
since my magic mushroom thing, I think I'm going to
re look at it and I think I might be
able to grasp it a little bit more interesting. So
do you think you know along that vein that dark
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entities can actually be drawn to like fear and sex
and chaos and trauma.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
So it's not so much that they're drawn to it,
it's that we draw them to it. So because dark
energy or negative energy is just shattered resonance, basically right.
So when you are in a state of alignment, notice
these things don't happen. And I mean that I will
say this on air. I mean that with your life
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as well. If you literally woke up every morning and
you told yourself, I will go to bed as healthy
as when I woke up, you will not die that day.
It's because of the fact that your awareness trumps all
the all the unawareness, right, And so yeah, it's it's
very It's energy, that's all that it is. And I
keep telling people energy is not your enemy. It's just
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an entity. It's just energy in essence. And so if
you're already negative, absolutely you're gonna use sex, addiction, all
these things that are basically un you know, aligned in
your life, and then you're gonna believe that something is
attaching to it. No, you're choosing it, and it just
happens to already have basically a broken side.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Wow. I had like tons of different stuff about all
these things, but I think one question leads out to
me from all the stuff that we were going to
be talking about with ghosts and demons and stuff. But
this here kind of goes along with what we're already
discussing and we only have a few minutes. But I
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thought maybe this might help. Why do humans need to
believe in something after death? Does it comfort or scare
us more? Should it comfort us more or scare us?
Like you know what I mean? People are really needing
to grasp.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Onto something, right, So first off, you're never going to
not believe in something after death because those three phases
I talked about, the three D, forty and five D
are set in the field. So again, you can call
the field the universe, you can call it you know,
the aura of the Earth, whatever it is that you
want to call it. The bottom line is it's programmed
into you to understand that there is a three D,
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a four D, and a five D. That's what made
Einstein so powerful is that he was able to mathematically
start to explain something that we all knew within us.
We just didn't have the words to be able to
do it. So, okay, it is programmed in you to
understand that there is more beyond this life. And the
problem is is that usually most people stop at that
place and they don't know how to imagine it. They
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don't know to take science or anything that we already
have and start kind of building what that can look like,
because it's not just this imaginary, insane experience. It is
very much designed a way so that you go through
this process and it is always better for you as
you go through it.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
That's interesting. One last thing before we move on. In
my second Mushroom journey, I saw God as my higher power.
So the whole thing that clicked for me was of
God knows everything, God sees all, and I saw a
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God quote quote unquote, as my higher power.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
My me, my higher.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
Entity, my higher power, whatever the fuck you want to
call it. That is what I saw. So it's all
individual for everybody. That not everybody's God's ever going to
be the same. You know, see what I'm getting at?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
What is that? Does that ring for you or especially
since you had the you know, the field experience.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yes, So for me, I was definitely being guided in
my nd So some people have been upset that I
don't call that God. Some people have been upset that
I didn't call it Jesus. That's because that's an individual choice,
you know, for everyone. My definition of God is the
one being that exists that doesn't want to be God.
In other words, it's the one thing that exists that
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doesn't have an ego. The moment that we then decide
we want to be something, there say hello to our ego.
So if God basically said I am God, God would
have an ego. And so that's just my definition. It
is the one being that exists that doesn't want to
be God and therefore can be there for every single person.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Ego is a big deal. Especially when we were dealing
with the mushroom stuff, letting go of ego was the
biggest part of it. It's fascinating, right.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
So at nine Vibes we definitely talk quite a bit
about ego, and I teach people that fighting, killing, destroying
will never work.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only be understood.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
So the more you understand your ego, the more you
level up in ways you couldn't even imagine. It is
the working together that actually ends up getting you to
that level, not the constant fight. The constant fight just
drains your energy.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I love that. Now we have to go, but really
quickly can someone work with you to work on understand
their ego more? How what's the best way?
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Absolutely so you can go to nine vibesuniversal dot Com,
which is just a nine at the front vibesuniversal dot com.
You can find me on Facebook. I have a Patreon
that is nine vibes, or you can just email me directly,
which is nine vibes universal at gmail dot com. I
answer everybody. I talk to everybody, I work with everybody,
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and so yeah, you can connect that way.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
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appreciate you being here again. Everybody that comes every week,
really I appreciate you, guys. I was off today. I've
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Hey everyone, and welcome to Fifty Shades of Bullshit. I'm
your host, Christine Lalan, and this is the podcast where
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Now let's begin.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Hey everyone, I'm Christine and this is fifty Shades of Bullshit.
How's everybody doing today? Welcome and thank you for coming. Today.
We have Devin back with us. Devin was here previously
and and I'm trying to find my info because I'm
having one of those days. So Devin has been here
(01:08):
before with us. And Devin had a near death experience
that he came on and talked about manifesting and all
these amazing, incredible questions that he answered about life after
death or beyond in the field, and he returns today
because we are going to actually actually talk about ghosts, demons,
(01:31):
energy and horror, and so let's bring Devon on. And
I believe that Devin doesn't have a camera today, so
Devin's going to be the voice beyond.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Hi, Devin, hello there, Thank you for having me again.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, God, are you kidding me? I adore you. I
think you're amazing, So thank you for being here again.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So I was like looking for a topic with Devin,
and I was like, what can we do that's fun?
Since Halloween is next week, and so we decided we
were going to talk about all this fun stuff today.
And uh, those of you who come on live every
week with us and participate, you're welcome to come up
(02:23):
and ask questions with Devin as well. And you know
we're open forum today and you know do what we
can do, So just go with the flow. So devn
introduce yourself again if you would tell us a tiny
(02:43):
bit about yourself, because some people are going to be
new they wouldn't have heard your other episode, so tell
us a little about you.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Uh So my name is Devin and most people know
me from nine vibes. I had a near death experience
in twenty seventeen. January twenty twenty seventeen was the day
that I died, and going through that whole entire experience,
I actually had moments where the field or what someone
called the universe some will call God, you know, whatever
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name you want to give it, shared a whole lot
of information with me. And so I basically spend my
days talking to people answering questions, whether it be scientific, spiritual, religious,
because I just I have these answers, and so I've been,
you know, going from different platforms and answering some of
the most difficult questions that we actually have out there.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I love that. I think that your answers are really fascinating.
I find them extremely interesting. And I talk about you, Devin.
I don't know if your ears are ringing all the
time or not, but I talk about you all the time.
I tell everybody about you. I'm like, oh my god,
you got to buy Devin's books. I have to say
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one of your books, though, I was really struggling with it.
I had to put it down. I was on a
plane and I was traveling. I think it was in June,
and I was trying to read it, and I don't
know what it was, but my brain could not wrap
around anything with it. And I wish that i'd grabbed
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them there on the other side of my office, darn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But which book?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm trying to remember which one it was. I'm going
to see if I can look it up. But we'll
come back to that. But I just couldn't wrap my
head around it. It was just my brain was like
what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You know, it was like, this.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Is complicated, and I just I couldn't do it. So
I put it down for a bit, and then I'm
going to try to get back to it now because
I thought, well, maybe now that a lot of things
have changed for me, A lot of things have changed
my life, so I'm thinking that maybe now it will
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show up differently, maybe can maybe understand it a little
bit more or But some of the stuff you talk
about is really in depth, and it's it's hard to
wrap your brain.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, I definitely did.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I wrote a book called Living a Line by three,
six and nine, and that one. That one, yeah, that
one is. You know, there's just a lot of information
from the Golden ratio vortex. Math Chakras numbers specifically, it
teaches errors. There's some in there, and it's more along
the lines of kind of like a structured book where
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you go from the next chapter and learn a whole new,
you know, set of information. So that one I don't
know which one you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
What was the other? There's another one that I got.
I got three of them. I got the three six
nine manifesting. I'm trying to find it, but damned if
I can. It'll probably take me too long. And I
guarantee as soon as I get off the show, it'll
show up.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's usually works.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It just will fucking show up.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The Awakening of the Eternal Secrets of the Ancient Mystics
is also designed that way.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That one has a lot of depth in it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's just, you know, misty, I think it's misty. Let
me look misty. Yeah, Missy says. Was it hard to
relate to the book at the time. I don't know
if it was relating it just it huh. It was
like it's like like now, when I'm trying to fucking
say something and the words are there, but I can't
grab them. I can't get the word to come out
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the way I want to. It's like it was like that.
When I was reading it, it was it rang true,
but I couldn't comprehind what some of it was saying.
Then I could have been distracted, I could have been high.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Any of those options, any of those options.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Plus I was on a plane and I was trying
to focus and I couldn't focus, so I put it down.
I needed a minute, and then I re read the
three six nine manifesting and now I think I'm going
to go back to the others.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I was really hoping I could find it, but no. Anyway,
eventually when I get through those books, I might have
a lot of questions because wow, but this is the
thing though, Devin. Since then, I've had to like magic
mushroom experiences, and a lot has completely changed for me.
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I even think that it changed some of my DNA
in some way because a few things that I was
allergic to before I did the magic mushrooms I'm not
allergic to more.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Oh wow, that's all.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Really, Yeah, it's weird, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Sure, it actually makes a lot of sense because the
things that we are allergic to are actually more programs.
So when you do something like magic mushrooms. You're actually
rewriting your own programming, which then rewrites your DNA and
your code, and so yeah, you can absolutely come out differently,
which is why they use that for quitting smoking, for
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quitting drinking those kind of things as well.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Well, it's pretty intense. I mean, you know, it was
kind of I'm glad we kind of got to that
because I was fighting off in dealing with demons. My
first experience six hours of dealing with demons, and it
was crazy. And one of the things we're going to
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talk about today is demons. So I thought that was
interesting that that popped up again. But I do have
some questions for you, Like, let's start out with ghosts. Okay,
do you believe that ghosts are leftover residual energy or
an imitation or do you think ghosts are really the
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soul or the spirit of the person that was here previously,
stuck in a place that they can't or haven't been
able to move on.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So there's two different ways that I actually put this
in a category. There's ghosts and there's hauntings. Those are
two completely different things. So the ghost is the rep
representation of basically the body once it collapses and it
ends up releasing energy. Then that energy stays in the
three D. But that doesn't have to just be death.
That's any traumatic or intense event. We're constantly releasing. We're
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biochemical and bioelectrical beings, and so we release this energy.
So there's the understanding of whatever energy you have inside
of you. When you walk into that energy, it's like
energy connects like energy, and so it's basically the animation
of that energy. It is not the person that is there.
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It's not their soul that is there. When you die,
your soul actually goes into the field. And so since
the field is all around us, you absolutely can interact
with it, such as songs, flickering lights, you know, doors
that open, those kind of things. But it's not the
actual person. It's their energy that got released in that space,
and then you connect to it. And then there's hauntings,
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which is basically the negative side of that. So if
you are dealing with grief or guilt, which are the
two g's that will kill you the fastest in life.
If you have too much guilt, too much grief, it'll
end up killing you. And so when you walk into
that space, and let's say you're dealing with grief, then
that energy connects to that and you can manifest the
haunting at that point. And then hauntings are on a spectrum.
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They can go all the way from something you see
the something that you're actually interacting with you.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think that we, our minds have the ability to
manifest a lot of things. Like one of the things
I was talking about was someone mentioned today, oh, isn't
that crazy how the Simpsons can predict things? And I
was saying, well, it's not so much prediction. It was
based off of something that was said at some point
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by Trump saying oh I make a great president blah
blah blah, and they ran with it. But then a
lot of people saw it in their brains manifested a
mass manifest Does that make sense.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I don't know if I said that right, But absolutely
humans are incredible manifestors. The biggest thing that is hidden
from humors from humans is how much they can manifest.
I mean, it's just absolutely incredible how often and how
well we can and so, yes, we'll put something in
the mind. Then when the group consciousness agrees on it,
then it ends up manifesting, and then we go, oh,
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they knew at the beginning. No, they actually just planted
the seed and the seed grew the tree.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Hm. Well, Anna Staves just says, do ghost change or choose?
Let me do this again. Do ghost choose to stay here?
Or are they forced to remain here? And now how
would you describe that type of energy stuck?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
So everything that I was shown in my NDE showed
that free will is the key to absolutely everything. So
there is nothing that is stuck in essence, And so
when you actually collapse in the three D and your
soul is released, you move on to the four D.
The only difference is the understanding that the four D
is connected also to the field. So that's how you
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can interact with loved ones. That's how you know different
moments can happen. But nobody is still in the three
D in terms of their actual soul.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
They have moved on.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I heard something recently that it was said that we're
only seeing ten percent of what's around us.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Correct, So you know that too?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh yes, kind of brings me out a little bit
thinking hmm, what else is there? And could a lot
of what people call a hants or spirits or something
just be the other ninety percent we're not seen.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Well, you can actually add to that and say that
you actually only see ten percent of what you manifest
So you're constantly manifesting things and you're only seeing, you know,
less than ten percent of what you're actually manifesting. So,
for instance, you may not see the dark figure that
you're actually dealing with inside of yourself. You may not
see that all the time, but then you're laying it
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bend one night and you look out and you see
this dark figure, and so it's just you manifesting. The
more in tune you get with yourself, the more you
then will be able to see the things you're actually manifesting.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Right, wow, wow, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense
to me. Did you see anywhere what it is beyond
that ninety what that other ninety percent is supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Or so?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
In my Yeah, So in my inde, not only did
I see colors I have never seen before, I also
saw energy. I saw energy moving around. So I talk
about the fact that I saw this bunny, and normally
what we believe is that, you know, the mechanisms within
the bunny make the bunny move, but I actually saw
the energy that was pushing the bunny to actually move.
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And so again we don't see these things, but they're
very much happening around us. And that's why things like
the cobble lot, the mystic books, what they're trying to
teach you is to see the unseen, to bring the
unseen into something you can actually see.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Interesting. You know, I've been hearing a lot lately about here.
I just had it and it just went right out
of my head. I've been hearing a lot lately about
how you know what? I lost it? Okay, it doesn't
want me to say it. I can't. I can't. Whatever
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it is, I can't get it out. Never mind, I'll
just ignore it and let it go actually and then
maybe it'll it'll come back to Oh, it was almost there.
Mickey just asked me some just asked something. She said,
Do the mushrooms have the power to make those change
in us? Or do we actually give it the power
to change us?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So the mushrooms have the power to do it because
they rewrite code. Everything in your body is code. In essence,
you're an algorithm. Right, repeat the same thing over and over,
you're going to know the outcome. And so what mushrooms
actually do is they tap in directly to the field.
So that field I'm always talking about that has all
the information everything about the slope, it actually directly connects
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to that. And so it just rewrites your code one
line at a time.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Now the question would be can you hold what you
actually rewrite or do you rewrite it to the old patterns?
And that's then where the power to change is involved
in the person.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I see what you're saying. Okay, okay, that makes sense
to me.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Uh oh, Misty asks when you have an nd how
do you explain where you go when in a coma?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
So an NDE and a coma are actually very close
to each other. But the only difference is that an
NDE actually crosses the three D plane and goes into
the four D whereas a coma is right on the
edge of it. So you can have almost similar experiences.
But to cross over to it, you have to believe
that you're dead. That's that's the key. If you look
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at every NDE and talk to them, the commonality as
we all believed that we had died, hence the word
near death experience, and so yeah, there's one that's right
on the edge. And then there's one that crosses over,
and they're two very very different experiences.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Okay, I remembered what I was gonna ask you. We
might not get to ghosts and demons and ship today.
This show just may go off the fucking rail. Okay.
So I think I died several times but didn't know
I died in jump timelines. Probably maybe I fell off
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the back, fell off a pool wall and didn't know
it was a ravine, thought it was just round and
I fell close to fifty feet backwards with nothing. I
hit a branch on my arm. I had this contusion
that looked like it my broke my arm, but I didn't.
I didn't. When I fell, I remember thinking I felt caught,
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like caught, and I don't remember the fall at all.
I don't remember being laid down. I just remember thinking,
there's a big rock under my head, Devin. It was
almost eighteen inches tall, this rock. It was in a
complete you, I mean point. It was right at the
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base where my neck and my head meet, and I
was I landed on it, but nothing was wrong with me. Nothing.
I didn't break a bone, I didn't have a concussion,
I didn't have any other than the contusion on my arm.
I had nothing, and my life was completely different. My
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husband didn't want to come pick me up from the hospital.
When I got taken to the hospital, he didn't want
to come pick me up. He didn't want to take
me to my car. And within a couple of weeks
he was moved out. Oh wow, my entire life completely changed.
But you know, that was the best thing that ever happened,
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was him leaving. So what do you what about instances
like that? What is happening when that's happened.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So that's actually really interesting because when you were falling back,
because of the fact that if you would have hit
that pretty much, you know, dead on, you'd most likely
be dead right a fifty foot in essence, so you
actually collapsed the three D and moved into the four D.
And the reason I'm saying that is because time is
different in the four D and and therefore so is gravity.
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And it's one of the things that I teach quite often,
which is that you know, science will teach us that
gravity is a pole. The upf proofs that gravity is
a push, and so it's like on a slope. So
even though you fell fifty feet and you moved out
of the three D into the forty That's what allowed
you to lend land on the rock and still be okay.
It's like pulling you out of it because your body
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only responds to what you believe. In other words, if
you actually believe you could fall fifty feet and not die,
that's exactly what your body would then produce. So in
this situation, it's not that you knew it. It's that
you moved into the four D, hit the ground, and
then came back into the three D.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Is that wild? That's the wildest thing it that has
happened to me. At least twice in my life. I
should have died twice. More than twice. I should have
died a whole bunch of times, Devin, I'm actually getting
flashes of places and things that I should have fucking
died and have no idea why. But yet my life
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was drastically different after like it. It almost like you
put me back in a different timeline.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
By the age of twenty nine, which is basically the
cycle of Saturn going around, you will already have one
NDE experience. So every single person, if you just ask
their age, you can find the area where they almost died.
But they didn't think about it. They didn't know what
a nd was. They didn't you hear about the stories,
and so they're just you know, oh I was lucky. No,
you had an NDE experience, and those moments are the
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things that change us.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Anastasia wants to know if you can define INDE.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
So yeah, the clear point of an NDE is that
you're in the four D, not the five D. So
there are three phases of life. There's the three D,
the four D, and the five D. And I talked
about this last time, but I'll just quickly cover this.
The three D is where the electron is negative, and
that's where all your manifestation comes from. That is why
it is easier to be sick than it is to
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be healthy. It is easier to believe that you are
poor than it is to be rich. It is easier
to be angry than it is to be kind. Right,
that's just the way that it is. In the three D,
everything starts in the dark, just like a seed in
the ground. We start in the three D, then we
move into the four D. The four D is where
time and memories and energy are completely different. And the
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reason they're different is because that electron I talked about
actually moves into neutral, which means in a neutral state,
you're not charged by your emotions anymore. You actually can
look at your life and say, oh, I understand that,
or oh I understand why that person did that thing,
and you're not growing through that phase anymore. You're just
understanding understanding it, yes, and that understanding changes the electron
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then to positive, which is then what moves you into
the five D. The five D is just like this
life right here. I wish people understood this. It's just
like this life. The only difference is that it is
easier to manifest and positivity in the five D. It
is easier to be healthy, easier to be rich, easier
to be headier in that state.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Do we live in the five and three D at
the same time.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So all three are technically all exist at the exact
same time. But it's our understanding that the three D
is different time, the four D is space and time,
and the five D is the reverse of the three D.
So you have to start in a three D to
get to the five D because it would really suck
if we started in the good place then died, then
moved on to the worst of them, you know, So
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you start in the three D and moved to the
five D.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Gotcha, And how's the five D different than the field?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
So they're all actually connected in the field, it's just
a matter of the five D is where you actually
believe the field.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Is working for you.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You actually have that understanding that you can have the
things that you want without changing who you are, whereas
in the three D that is a very different belief.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Interesting because that's how I kind of feel here already. Yes,
I'm getting to the point with my manifesting and with
my life that I just feel like I'm capable of
changing and making massive changes just with my manifesting and beliefs.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Then ifore yes, because what you're doing is you're moving
into the four D, which is that neutral space, and
you're changing something in yourself. And when you change, you
actually then are kind of like living between the three
D and the forty. You're borrowing from the forty that
awareness without neutrality in that neutrality, and then you're borrowing
the five D, which is to flip your own electron.
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The craziest part is if science would actually record the
electron around somebody that's spiritual. You will actually find that
it is changing its charge from negative to positives.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Interesting. That would be fascinating to see. Oh I remembered
finally what it was that I was gonna see. I
knew if I let it go the what's it called
the Mandel mendeliphant? Yes? What the actual fuck? Because it
seems like the mendelih effect is getting faster and faster.
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There's so much from my own childhood that everything now
is like, oh, no, that didn't happen that way, or no,
it wasn't that way when I fucking loved it, I
know what, you know what I mean? Like, what is
that about?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the Mendela effect coined? You know?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
The Mandela effect is basically the understanding like you were
talking about, where things that we remember are not things
that are in this reality. There's many different things that
people believe. They believe that cern flipped a machine and
it ended up, you know, crashing the electron into the electron,
and then it created a wormhole. There are people that
believe that we jumped, you know, to another earth. But
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the way that I like to describe it is we
collapsed on one of those slopes that I'm constantly talking about.
And when we collapsed onto that slope, we created a
double slid experiment. And if you know about the double
slid experiment, do you know about that?
Speaker 4 (24:57):
No?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
So the double slid experiment. Say it again, it's called
the double slit experiment. Double slid Okay, yes, So it's
basically where two slits were basically put in this experiment,
and they were firing electrons, and when the electrons were
being watched by somebody, so, in other words, when the
scientist was actually watching the outcome, they were responding differently.
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When nobody was watching it, it would then respond a
different way than that way, therefore proving that even an
electron knows that it's being observed. And what's so fascinating
is that what we did is we created a double
slit experiment. If you go through door A, you remember
all the things before the collapse, and therefore you feel
crazy because the world just doesn't add up right. The
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wolf never laid down with the lamb. It has always
been the lion of Judah lay down with the lamb,
and so you feel like you're crazy. If you go
through the other slit, let's call it the b slit.
Then literally you're just looking at reality and going, no,
there's absolutely no way that it used to be that way.
That's what you're seeing in the stigmatism in basically, like
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for instance, on matrix mysteries, where you see people that
will argue, and it's just because we're going through different
slits and getting different outcome.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah. I always saw that people having different beliefs or
different ways of observing things was due to how you know,
their nurture, their nature, all the things in their life
formed this way that they think, and so therefore they're
seeing it in a different way than somebody else who
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was nurtured or natured in another way.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Right, And that's pretty much what it is. Everything comes
down to choice. But what's so incredible is that when
that slope collapsed, we actually created those two slits. And
so now that's why someone will say I will die
on that hill because that is the slit they went through.
That is the door they went through, and it will
not change regardless.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
So I see reincarnation in different timelines. Say say, let's
use me for an example. Okay, I know that I've
lived multiple time lines. I know that I've lived in
you know, different, uh reincarnation things. I ever since you
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were on the show last time, and since my like
mushroom journeys, I see time. During my mushroom journey, I
saw time as a line up, not not a line horizontal,
a line vertical. And it's almost like my energy is
shot right through the time. All this time, all these
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layers of timelines and history and future and past president
blah blah blah, all these things. I just saw my
energy just completely through all of them all at once.
And so history folds in on itself even though we
see it as the past, it's still like layered upon
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the layers. That's that's how I rainsaw on. How would
you describe what that is supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Like?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Am I close? Am I not? So?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Time is really fascinating, and especially depending on which process
we're talking about, the three D, forty and five D,
they are all different in a way. So when you
saw when you did mushrooms again, that rewriting is always
going to rewrite you to the four D not the
three D. Right, there'd be no reason to do mushrooms
if you were just rewriting the three D because we
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already have that understanding. So you're moving into the four D,
and time is different in the fort D. In other words,
what I mean by that is that is why people
will say they had life reviews. That is why I
was given all of this knowledge in what felt like
you know less than ten minutes. Is because of the
fact that the four D expands time. It's kind of
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like walking into a library where you have books all
around you, and there the books are running with time,
but you get to pick it up and read it
outside of that understanding of time. So the first thing
that you would have to break through is to get
rid of that linear belief of time, which is why
it sent you a vertical belief. Right, it's showing you
another perspective, but in reality, draw a circle around both
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of those and you now have the understanding of time
somewhere down. Yeah, it is up and down. It is horizontal,
and then it is also omnidirectional. In other words, it
is moving from one singular point radiating out in every
single direction.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Oh gotcha. So like almost like the core is my
is me, my soul, it radiates outward instead of up, downside,
It just it goes out.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Okay exactly, And what happens when a ripple in water
hits another rock, it comes back, it ripples back. So
that's then where we're having experiences like deja vu. In
other words, you're rippling out on a timeline, and once
that timeline hits something as a reference point, it ripples
back and you go, oh, I've done this before, I've
seen this.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Okay, that's why.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Okay, that makes a fucking shit ton is sick. Oh
my god. Misting wants to know how can we quantum
leap into a parallel timeline and what does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Right? Yeah, there's a lot of different ways to view that.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
So in terms of like manifesting, right, when I teach
thirty six day journey, that's an example of that. By
day eighteen you have officially changed your frequency, which means
you changed your environment. Right, the number one rule, change
the way you think, you change your world in essence,
so it's the exact same thing. That's one example. Another
fun way that you can actually do this is with water.
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You can actually take two glasses of water, build them
up with water, charge them. I'm always a believer in
charging your water. But then what you can do is
you can actually write the timeline that you're in currently
and the timeline and experiences you want to experience. And
so now that you have these two different waters, you're
making a choice. This is something that's missing from this
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whole thing. Choice is the key to everything. So then
you create a pattern with that, drink the water, and
you'll notice that your life will start to become exactly
what you wrote down.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah. I do a lot of manifesting with water. I
use numbers, I use energy, I speak into it. I
think that everything is a vibration, everything like even you
know this computer here, my mic, everything around me is
just I'm bringing it into existence because it's what my
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brain wants to see.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Maybe yep.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And then I think that water is the most powerful
element that we could possibly have. And uh, I believe
that if we're going to manifest, we we should be
using water.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Yes, water is absolutely the key. So it is the
most influenced. So that's why you know the moon when
it ends up moving, now again we're going to go
away from the pole because I don't believe that it pulls.
When the moon moves, it actually pushes the water. And again,
because water is very influential, it then creates tides. So
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when you charge your water, let's say, to a frequency,
you actually rewrite the structure of that water. Your blood
is made of water, and so when you end up
rewriting the water that you're drinking, you end up actually
changing the code in your blood. So there's many different
things that correlate to water, whether you're talking about religion
or you're talking about spirituality. Okay, another way that you
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can quantum leap or change parallel timelines is going to
be through meditation. There's no question whatsoever. And I'm not
talking about the meditation where you silence your mind and
sit in silence kind.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Of thing to do that.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Right, Yeah, when I teach kids how to meditate, I
don't teach them how to silence at all. I actually
teach them how to make a playlist of music that's
really positive for them. It gets there basically bio energy going,
and then they're easily able to then tap into that
meditation of state.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
There's no difference between if you go silence and you
believe that you're receiving a message or you imagine that
you're a knight and you're going to a castle. It's
the exact same thing in terms of being able to
do that. And so when you master that level specifically
for you know, parallel timeline, you absolutely can move through
that four D and start experiencing another timeline.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I do a lot of manifesting. I mean I talk
about it on here all the time. I do a
lot of you know, sex magic kinde of aid for it.
It brings a different kind of energy. And I gotta
say when there are times I like to get I
like to get high when I'm doing it because it
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takes me onto it. I think it takes me into
the four D a lot. I don't. I don't know
if I've been to the five D maybe maybe maybe
I've glimpsed into it maybe, but I definitely have been
in the four.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, glimpsing into the five D is possible in the
three D body, it's just not possible to physically be there.
So you can bring Remember the Bible says bring heaven
to earth, so bring you can bring the five D
into your three D experience. You just cannot actually go
from a three D to a five D actual experience
and call it your reality.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Do you have to be like you have to lose
this body to go into that five D simens.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Yeah, so you have to collapse the actual body slope
to move into the four D. Now, what's really interesting
about the time that we're in, and it's happened before
throughout history, is that technology can actually teach us how
to collapse the four D and instantly go from the
three D to the five D. Think of it like
a wormhole, right so right now I'm talking about it
as a space that you go into and you actually
(34:50):
have an experience, which is what all nds are talking about.
But we actually can get to a place of collapsing
that four D and instantly going from the three D
to the five D.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
It's interesting because when I'm manifest inanitating, when I'm doing
any kind of energy like oh, breath work, breath work,
feels like.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I get there.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Oh Missy said, if you get to the five D D,
can you rearn?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Can you return?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Yeah, so yeah, it's inevitable that you will actually return.
It's because of the fact there'sre's nothing after the five D.
So once you get to the five D and you
live the life that you want, you have all the
experiences and it's hard to imagine, but basically you have
all these experiences you want, and you finally get to
a place of saying, okay, I'm ready for something new.
Then you go back into the three D. And so
(35:40):
we're constantly moving from the three D to the four
D to the five D. And again the difference is time.
So what I mean by that is you could actually
have let's say fifty years here in the three D,
go through the four D, and while you're in the
four D, because time is differently, fifty years could go
by on Earth. And then when you get to the
five D, time is differently from the f to the
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three D, just like time dilation. The closer you get
to the Sun, the slower time you slows down for you.
So even though you're a normal person interacting and doing things,
time is still going by on Earth. So that's why
you will always come back. But time always makes things better.
It is better today for witches than it was three
hundred years ago. It is better today even for LGBT
(36:22):
than it was one hundred years ago. So constant understanding
that you want to go back because you go, oh,
it was about to get better.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I want to have this experience.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Okay, I see that. Do you think here I want
to go between we were talking about ghosts and we
were talking about demons at one point too. Do you
think that there's a big difference between a ghost energy
and a demonic energy?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Not really in the terms of negative energy versus positive energy.
So okay, what I mean by that is, if you
think about it, every single ghost story that exists always
has an origin and always has some kind of way
to solve it. Right, pick any horror movie that you want,
So let's take the Conjuring Universe. One of my favorite
ones to dive into. The Conjuring Universe is all about
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a demon called Valik, which is the demon of guilt.
It comes from the Catholic Church. Guilt comes with the
Catholic Church. So the demon of Valik haunts all the
way through. But what's so fascinating is if you watch
the movie, you will find that the key to get
rid of Valiic is its name, and the name is
scattered all throughout the movie. So the demon doesn't actually
exist outside of the people that are interacting with the demon.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's their energy.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And because it's their energy, they created a key, a
way out of it, a way to deal with it,
and that's the.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Power of the name interesting.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So every haunting, it's not a question of whether or
not it's real. Demons are real, ghosts are real. In
the understanding, energy is absolutely real. Right, if you're in
Haiti and you're dealing with you know, voodoo, all of
that is real. It's a question of what can hurt
you and what cannot hurt you is the thing that
you name and claim. It's that simple. It's when we
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fear it, we don't name it. When we fear it,
we don't claim it, and therefore it ends up becoming
something that then drains us.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Interesting. Yeah, when I find that, you know, things happen
around me all the time, things move. Everybody's like, oh,
you got ghosts attached to you or you know whatever
attached to you. Well, when I was afraid of it,
it had a lot of power over me. When I
started talking to it, and you know, taking that that
(38:31):
scared unknown entity away from that, it made it. It
hardly does anything now.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Right, right, And that's the way it's designed. And so
I was the same way. A lot of people don't
know this, but before my Nde, I was scared of everything.
If you've ever seen that movie Page Master, that was me.
I was scared of demons and ghosts. I was scared
of things under the bed. I was scared of hauntings.
I was raised in the Church, and that's what they
taught you, you know, fear basically everything that isn't of
(38:58):
the church. And so I was absolutely terrified of everything.
And there's this moment where I was reading the Kibalon,
which is the seven Hermetic Principles, and it was talking
about duality, and I realized something. I go, if a
little girl crawls through my TV and I can actually
see this happening, then by the rules of duality, by
the universal law of duality, in equal light also has
(39:21):
to exist. So if I wasn't seen that light, I
was going to become that light. And that changed the
way then that I dealt with anything that was fearful.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Oh I love that. Oh I love that. So when
I was going through my mushroom journey, I felt like
I felt like I was like the knowledge that the
reason that I had all of these dark entities, all
these darkman type things, negative energy attached to me because
(39:51):
of all of the terrible, shitty things that had happened
to me in my life. And then it was just
a residual dark entity energy from that circumstance, right is.
And then I was just battling them. I was like
releasing them, getting rid of them, you know, understanding that
(40:11):
I didn't need them attached to me anymore. So does
that make sense or is that kind.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Of Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So resonance decoherence, right, So, you basically had a moment
that was a high level of decoherence. And so even
if you as an individual started to get more coherence
in your life, you're still surrounded by that. And so
the more that you build that resonance, the more that
you heal yourself whatever it is. It could be father issues,
it could be mother issues, whatever it happens to be.
(40:39):
The more that you heal that, the more then that
there is no more haunting. There is no more dreams
that are doing that. And the problem is is that
most people just don't actually know in their core memories,
which is why I wrote that book Core Memory Healing,
right Chocker. Core Memory Healing is because of the fact
that that pinpoints those exact moments that you actually released
(40:59):
another energy that could haunt you.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
That's the book. There, it is, was it that one
was it, and I couldn't fucking grasp it at all.
But I think now that you actually talked about it again,
and since my experiences with the mushrooms, I think I
can understand it better. Now I'm going to try to
reread that.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I think, Yeah, chakras are the key. They hold all
your energy. You have seven different chakra centers inside of
your body, and they're not connected.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
To each other.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
So you don't just heal the root chakra and suddenly
you're fine in the throat chakra. Each one of these
have been collecting energy and they were given to us
to hold energy because bad shit happens, right, Bad things
happen in our lives, and so you can hold that energy.
If you don't work through that energy, if you don't
transmute that energy, it literally becomes the haunting. And so
(41:47):
for instance, somebody who let's say, had issues when they
were younger with sexual issues and then has them as
an adult. It's all held in the sacred chakra. So
until you heal that, you're going to end up making
the same choices, which is just like a haunting. Right,
date the same man, date the same woman. You're being
haunted by your choices of repeatability, and so yeah, it's
(42:09):
it's very important that we go through that and pinpoint it.
And it's a hard book to read because most of
my students meet one on one with me to go
through it, you know, because you know different questions.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, it is hot, it is It is a lot
to wrap your mind around it. It'd be like half
a page long, one little fucking question section and I'll
get through it and I'll go, Hi, I understood about
half of that. And so then I read it again
and I go the part that I understood, got a
little bit deeper and kind of got another part of it,
(42:40):
and I was like, oh god, this is hurting my mind.
So I had to take a break. But I think
since my magic mushroom thing, I think I'm going to
re look at it and I think I might be
able to grasp it a little bit more interesting. So
do you think you know along that vein that dark
(43:00):
entities can actually be drawn to like fear and sex
and chaos and trauma.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
So it's not so much that they're drawn to it,
it's that we draw them to it. So because dark
energy or negative energy is just shattered resonance, basically right.
So when you are in a state of alignment, notice
these things don't happen. And I mean that I will
say this on air. I mean that with your life
(43:26):
as well. If you literally woke up every morning and
you told yourself, I will go to bed as healthy
as when I woke up, you will not die that day.
It's because of the fact that your awareness trumps all
the all the unawareness, right, And so yeah, it's it's
very It's energy, that's all that it is. And I
keep telling people energy is not your enemy. It's just
(43:48):
an entity. It's just energy in essence. And so if
you're already negative, absolutely you're gonna use sex, addiction, all
these things that are basically un you know, aligned in
your life, and then you're gonna believe that something is
attaching to it. No, you're choosing it, and it just
happens to already have basically a broken side.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Wow. I had like tons of different stuff about all
these things, but I think one question leads out to
me from all the stuff that we were going to
be talking about with ghosts and demons and stuff. But
this here kind of goes along with what we're already
discussing and we only have a few minutes. But I
(44:27):
thought maybe this might help. Why do humans need to
believe in something after death? Does it comfort or scare
us more? Should it comfort us more or scare us?
Like you know what I mean? People are really needing
to grasp.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Onto something, right, So first off, you're never going to
not believe in something after death because those three phases
I talked about, the three D, forty and five D
are set in the field. So again, you can call
the field the universe, you can call it you know,
the aura of the Earth, whatever it is that you
want to call it. The bottom line is it's programmed
into you to understand that there is a three D,
(45:01):
a four D, and a five D. That's what made
Einstein so powerful is that he was able to mathematically
start to explain something that we all knew within us.
We just didn't have the words to be able to
do it. So, okay, it is programmed in you to
understand that there is more beyond this life. And the
problem is is that usually most people stop at that
place and they don't know how to imagine it. They
(45:23):
don't know to take science or anything that we already
have and start kind of building what that can look like,
because it's not just this imaginary, insane experience. It is
very much designed a way so that you go through
this process and it is always better for you as
you go through it.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
That's interesting. One last thing before we move on. In
my second Mushroom journey, I saw God as my higher power.
So the whole thing that clicked for me was of
God knows everything, God sees all, and I saw a
(46:04):
God quote quote unquote, as my higher power.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
My me, my higher.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
Entity, my higher power, whatever the fuck you want to
call it. That is what I saw. So it's all
individual for everybody. That not everybody's God's ever going to
be the same. You know, see what I'm getting at?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
What is that? Does that ring for you or especially
since you had the you know, the field experience.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yes, So for me, I was definitely being guided in
my nd So some people have been upset that I
don't call that God. Some people have been upset that
I didn't call it Jesus. That's because that's an individual choice,
you know, for everyone. My definition of God is the
one being that exists that doesn't want to be God.
In other words, it's the one thing that exists that
(46:58):
doesn't have an ego. The moment that we then decide
we want to be something, there say hello to our ego.
So if God basically said I am God, God would
have an ego. And so that's just my definition. It
is the one being that exists that doesn't want to
be God and therefore can be there for every single person.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Ego is a big deal. Especially when we were dealing
with the mushroom stuff, letting go of ego was the
biggest part of it. It's fascinating, right.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
So at nine Vibes we definitely talk quite a bit
about ego, and I teach people that fighting, killing, destroying
will never work.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only be understood.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
So the more you understand your ego, the more you
level up in ways you couldn't even imagine. It is
the working together that actually ends up getting you to
that level, not the constant fight. The constant fight just
drains your energy.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I love that. Now we have to go, but really
quickly can someone work with you to work on understand
their ego more? How what's the best way?
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Absolutely so you can go to nine vibesuniversal dot Com,
which is just a nine at the front vibesuniversal dot com.
You can find me on Facebook. I have a Patreon
that is nine vibes, or you can just email me directly,
which is nine vibes universal at gmail dot com. I
answer everybody. I talk to everybody, I work with everybody,
(48:22):
and so yeah, you can connect that way.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
I love it. Thank you so much, Devin. I really
appreciate you being here again. Everybody that comes every week,
really I appreciate you, guys. I was off today. I've
really been struggling. Today's a weird day for me. But
thank you for coming. Thank you for being here every
week and same time, same place next week and until then,
let's just keep this shit real.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
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Speaker 4 (48:59):
Thanks so much much for listening, and we really hope
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