FIRE Episode 45 with Proud liberal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Welcome to the Fire Podcast. I have a guest
with me today and it's Proud Liberal. We're going to
debate again and Christina is going to kind of moderate
it and start us off and if we go off

(00:20):
the rail show kind of steer the conversation back to
where it's supposed to be. So, Christina, do you want
to ask the first question?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Sure, I'll ask the first question and we'll.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Let go first, and SE's your guest, of course. Okay,
the first question is how do you feel about Gaza?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
So with the Gaza situation, I think the main issue
going on is the fact that any sort of supplies
that come that can come in or out of Gaza
have to go through his by the way that Israel
controls the area surrounding Godsap.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's where they're all starving.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Sorry, sorry, And from Israel's point of view, they don't
want to send in food or supplies because Hamas could
potentially utilize those that aid. But the problem is that's
also going to kill a lot of innocent people as well,

(01:33):
which is kind of what we're seeing gossip. Ah. So
it's a it's a very complicated situation. I don't know
if I have really a good hand support.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
To be honest, would you say it's a genocide? Would
you say what Israel is doing is a genocide?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I would say it needs to at least be watched
as a potential genocide.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
And we not be funding it. Like could you imagine
if the United States funded Germany during the Holocaust and
World War Two? Like I honestly feel like the Israeli
government is the new or the new Nazis. That that's

(02:20):
my point of view. That's my point of view because honestly,
you hear about how many people are getting killed, and
you know, they bomb churches, they bomb children's hospitals.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
They don't really know if they've destroyed hamas, but they're
just sending bombs everywhere to try to get them. And
it's hard to watch that. Even being blind, it's hard
to watch that because it's just they're killing. They've killed
sixty two thousand people. It's just a slot house, and

(03:00):
I it makes me angry, It makes me want to
do something, It makes me it makes me feel like
I'm against Israel, like I don't want to support them
or be their ally. Do you have any so Christina
has another question, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
So.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do you have a response real quick to what I said,
proud liberal.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I guess a question for you, what response do you
think would have been appropriate in Israel after the.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, first of all, I think the October attacks were
a standout because they have the greatest military in the
world and it was six hours of Hamas filming and
live streaming the killing of the Israelis. And I'm gonna
be honest with you, I do not like when Israel

(04:02):
gets attacked, all right, Like I don't. I'm not celebrating,
I'm not clapping my fucking hands and shiit. I just
think that their response of the you know, dropping two
thousand pound bombs is very extreme. And uh, I feel
like Israel acts like it's such it's so vulnerable. They're

(04:24):
they're they're the people people in the Middle East want
to destroy Israel. Well, Israel wants to destroy the people
in the Middle East for his greater Israel. For yah,
who's a greater Israel plan? Okay, Justina, go ahead, yeah,
all right.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Do you think that Israel uses the moss as an
excuse to carry out a genocide?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Is that for me or for for you? Well, I
guess it depends. Number one, If you consider it a genocide.
I think it's something that should be watched at the moment.
If you do consider it a genocide, then I would
imagine you would say, yes, that is what they're doing.

(05:16):
But I do think Israel had a right for retaliation
for the October attacks. I don't feel like Israel. Israel
is definitely not the strongest military. It is.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
It is definitely like the strongest military and the best intelligence,
but they give us fake intelligence just so you know.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Well, they're definitely a strong military. But I wouldn't say
the attacks have helped the Nahu regime. In fact, I
think it's actually hurting quite a bit in terms of
a lot is.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Going forward exactly.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
How why would he have them stand down.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Because he wants a longer war so that he can
stay in power. That's the exact same thing that Zelenski
is doing in the war in Ukraine. And I feel
like it's the I mean, I feel like if you

(06:29):
I don't understand how you support Ukraine who is run
by a dictator and you don't support the struggling, starving
people in Gaza. I'm not trying to say you don't
support them, but I'm just saying I feel like you
prioritize Israel first, although I think your views have kind

(06:51):
of changed a bit. It seems.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
So. The thing with Ukraine is in their constitution where
they can't have elections while they're data. So as soon
as Russell withdrawals from Ukraine, Ukraine can then hold their elections.
With Israel, they're not currently being occupied, so they can

(07:17):
hold their elections. And the October seventh attacks, most people
are upset with how the administration handled it, So I
think that would be a sign that it wasn't a
standout because that hurt their re election campaign.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
No, it didn't. It hyped it up. Fox News was
talking about it twenty four to seven when October seventh, Christina,
your dad watches Fox News all the time. Remember we
were spending time there and with Fox News all the time.
Israel Israel, Israel, Israel, fuck Israel. Well they didn't say that,

(07:59):
I did.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
But from the perspective of the Israeli people, there was
a lapse in their security. So they're upset that the
administration was unable to prevent that.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
But they're trying. They're trying to do the same thing
that is being done in Ukraine. They're trying to prevent
elections from being a whole held because they're in a war.
And honestly, uh uh, Zelenski is trying to make How

(08:37):
do I say, Zelenski is trying to keep the war going.
He doesn't want to make a peace deal. He's not
going to give Russia anything, So you can't. You can't
make a deal and have nothing on the table. You're
not gonna I mean, they if they wanted to, they
could destroy Ukraine. They could wipe Ukraine off the map.

(08:59):
Russia has nukes, they can destroy Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
That would be if they were to use nuclear weapons
in Ukraine, that would be a serious espilation that the
entire world would take notice of.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I just say we should not support Ukraine. I
don't believe in supporting foreign worths, and I don't believe
in supporting u a country that is committing a fucking genocide.
It pisses me off so much, Like I know, it's
kind of toxic to talk about it, like people talk
about it too much. It just when you see it,

(09:39):
it riles you up. Like look at the young Turks,
like they're showing all this shit they're talking about, all
the stats of how many people were killed and what happened.
I mean, they have people who that they're saying like
this place Israel, saying this place is safe. You guys
can go over here and they'll vomit.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
And well, in terms of Israel, I mean there's a
debate to be have what kind of aid should be
given to Israel. Well, I think that's a different situation
from Ukraine, who's the country being invaded.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
So you're I think the only aid we should give
to Israel is to actually serve to actually arrest net
Yahoo for his war crimes. He is a war criminal,
but nobody is trying to capture him. And it's ridiculous

(10:40):
and you should be arrested immediately.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
I mean, it sounds like you're kind of pro warn Now.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm not pro war. What do you mean I'm pro war.
I'm just saying that the guy. I'm saying that the
guy who committed war crimes should be held accountable for
his war crimes. I'm not pro war. That's anti war.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
That arresting the leader of Israel would be a declaration
of war.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's not a declaration of war. It's arresting a guy
who committed crimes.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
War though, I think Israel not be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I honestly don't care. Yaho is completely evil and he
is insane. He's a fucking war psycho maniac on a
war path trying to take over the entire Middle East.
Like he is a fucking piece of shit. He's worse
than Putin. Putin is not very good, but ya who's

(11:58):
absolutely horrible? Uh? Christina, do you think we should do?
You want to kind of ask a different another question,
another question? Let me think, Okay, we'll get We'll give
you a second. I just, honestly, proud liberal, honestly thought

(12:19):
that you would be in favor of saving these starving children.
And I think we I think if anything's worth going
to war for, it's children who are starving and who
are being killed by the Israeli government.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Just saying well, I'm all for helping kids. But if
you arrested the crime miss too?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
What do you mean he's been charged with war crimes?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
What if we I mean, what do you think would
happen if you did that to put.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well, he hasn't committed war crimes.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
There's charges if you went to rescue do you think
that would go over? Okay?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
What did Putin do Putin didn't do shit. Putin did
not starve thousands, tens of thousands of children.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
He invaded another nation.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean, he actually has the right to do that.
It's not a war crime to invade another nations. It's war.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You can just walk in and take what you want.
That's that's how it strikes, bomb buildings and all of that.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I just think that's I just think that's the order
of the way of war. And I just don't think
that we should invest our money into foreign wars and
foreign crap. And then I think we should end for
an aid, end for an aid to Africa, and aid
to Israel and aid to Ukraine, all of that because

(14:04):
our country is suffering. We've got homeless veterans on the streets,
We've got fintanyl everywhere, We've got twenty million illegals running around.
Shit almost threw up. Don't just I'm just fucking with you.
Do you have a question, Christina, How do you guys

(14:33):
feel about.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Trump cutting medicaid and giving tax breaks to the rich.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I mean, I don't think any of that's been done yet.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
It was done in the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Did that do tax bunts?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Total it, gave it took away. They took away one
point one trillion dollars from Medicaid, which I don't know
how Medicaid will survive after this. And they gave one
point one trillion dollars in tax cuts for the rich.
Because the corporate tax rate was thirty five percent. He

(15:21):
changed it in twenty twenty. Excuse me, in twenty seventeen,
he changed it the corporate tax to twenty one. Biden
promised that he would take it back to twenty eight,
but he never did any such thing. He was pretty useless.
Just to be honest, I don't know, what do you think.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, I would say, like twenty eight percent sounds good.
I think thirty five is a bit too high. Twenty
one's maybe a bit too low. I think maybe like
somewhere between twenty five percent.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I agree, like that sounds fair. But then he changed
the corporate tax rate to fifteen percent. Yeah, so it
gives more money to the richest people and takes it
away from the poorest. And you know, they talk about
trickle down economics, bullshit. That shit never trickles down. I mean,

(16:27):
McDonald's has thirty billion dollars, yet they still don't pay
their worker as well. And I'm not saying like you
should be getting rich off of working at McDonald's. I'm
just saying that people should be paid a living wage.
That's genuinely what I think, and that's why I've been
watching so many different like progressives, and they talk about

(16:51):
this stuff and I agree with it to an extent.
I don't know if we should do medicare for all,
that would be pretty expensive. But a lot of ideas
of like you know, being anti war, you know, not invading,
not invading any countries, not you know, funding any wars,
and you know, economic populism where we try to help

(17:15):
out the poort, like, you know, the middle class really
does not fucking exist, like barely middle There were so
many middle class families years ago. But everything that I mean,

(17:35):
people got priced out of their homes. Everything is so expensive.
Grocery have you been to the grocery store. Yeah, now
they're trying to charge seven or eight dollars for a
pound of beef ground beef.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, Like everything is expensive.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
And I was really hoping that President Trump would make
it better. I was really hoping he would decrease the
inflation and the gas prices inflation's going up, gas prices
are going up. But I really want to give Trump
a chance. I mean, he's so much better than Kamala Harris's.

(18:19):
She would just pass crappy laws that would not help anybody.
I mean, Biden tried to do student loans and he
got totally beat until he's like, we're going to give
one thousand dollars to thirteen hundred people, and we're gonna
forgive one thousand dollars for thirteen hundred people or whatever.
You know what I mean. It was a very small

(18:45):
it was very small amount of people.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
So yeah, I mean, I don't know. I would have
to look at stuff a little bit. I kind of
only know how like I'm doing personally, Me too, me too.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's that's how I base what I'm talking about Like that,
That's what I base That's what I base it off.
It's just how how how I'm living personally, Like I'm
not the richest person in the world by no means,
And but I also don't think that we're poor, right, Like, yeah,

(19:24):
like we have enough to live. Yeah, if we have
an emergency, we can, We'll be able to cover it.
It'll be difficult, but we can do it?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, I get that you have a question.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, what would you guys like to see happen
in twenty twenty eight? Like what kind of leadership do
you want? Like ideally, I guess.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Or like what type of person? Or like like do
you want me to name names?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Like yeah, what type of person would you like to
see as president? Maybe someone younger? I don't know, Yeah,
just what do you guys? What would do you have
you feel about twenty twenty eight politically?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
And I'd also like to name names and so, but
but you go ahead, proud liberal.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Okay, Well, I've seen different names floating around on the
Republican side. I would say the two best ones would
be either JD. Bands or Marco Rubio And for the
Democrats maybe Josh Sapiro.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
The Democrats don't really have any leadership, Like they don't
have a charismatic figure who you know, sweeps some sweets
the people off their feet, like Obama was a very
very gifted speaker, and I think Trump is a good
speaker in a different way. He's able to communicate with,

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you know, the working class people. He knows exactly what
they want in a way like he went to Las
Vegas and did a rally. He's like, how about no
tax on tips? And everyone started roaring and clapping, cheering
all of that. So that's how he bases his opinions.

(21:33):
Like He'll go to a rally and he'll say, what
about this policy? And you know, people boo or they cheer,
don't They don't. They don't boo a Trump rally unless
there's a protester. But I just feel like there's no
leadership in the Democratic Party. But I'm gonna be honest

(21:54):
with you, I would vote for like a progressive Democrat
over Mark Rubio. I'm not a huge fan of Mark Rubio.
I think he's a he's a Neocon. He tried to
he's trying to play the he's trying to play like

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he's a Trump like figure, but he's not. He can't
capture that type of essence. And I don't think Jade
Vance can either. He is charismatic in a way, but
I don't think he would actually be a good leader.
I think he has taken donations from Peter Thiel. I

(22:35):
don't know how good of a connection they have.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
So so.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I'm just I'm just gonna say this and then I'll
be done with what I'm talking about. But I don't
care if it's a Democrat or a Republican. We need
someone who is going to, you know, who promises to
make our lives better, like talking about prices, like Kamala

(23:06):
Harris was talking about ending price gouging, so so she
would do the government would do price fixing, and that's
kind of a communist type of way to do it.
I don't I don't think that's a great way to
do it. Mondanie wants public grocery stores, which are probably

(23:28):
filled with the legal aliens. I'm just saying, I just
want a populist president, and I thought Trump was that.
That's why I That's why I did so many podcasts.
That's why I you know, I tried to fucking wake
people up, you get what I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, So, so.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm going to bring up a few names. So I
think Tucker Carlson like be a good fit. Candice Owns
might be a good fit for like VP maybe, you know. Yeah,
And honestly, I fucking hate politicians, Like there are a

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few who would do good. Marjorie Taylor Green, I think
Marjorie Taylor Green might be a good one. Thomas Massey
I think he is able to reach across the aisle.
I would be up for like a row coma type
of person, Matt Gates. I'm just trying to name populist

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people because I'm not going to vote for a crappy person.
I'm not going to vote for I'm not just going
to pick the lesser of two evils, like if you
if you are both fuck faces, then I'm gonna vote
independent just to be honest.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess we have to wait
and see. Well, if there's their name in the rain,
then only trying to speculate at the moment, I.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Wonder if there's gonna be someone who like runs in
twenty twenty six when they're like a senator or a
representative and super charismatic on one side or the other.
I would be interested to see like a new name,
a new face running and hearing what they're talking about.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
But other than that, well, I think the GOP section
is more of us sick here. I think you don'll
likely be J LEAs.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, that's a possibility. That's a good that's a great possibility.
What do you think about jd Vance Christina, he falls
flat through me. Yeah, he's slightly charismatic. He's young, but
he's not.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I like him, but I don't feel like he's quite
the leader type.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
No, he's like the backup guy, like if the president
gets shot. He's the type of person who you know,
could sail the ship for a while.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Are you ready for the next question?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, go ahead, Okay, how do you guys feel about
the mental health crisis? Like with the fentanyl and the
homelessness and the problems that we have here in America?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
What do you think we could do to solve those problems.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I was hoping you would ask that. I was really
really hoping that you would ask that. So I was
going to like go through all the questions you asked
me and at the end I was going to kind
of add that. But thanks a huge.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Right now, I feel like it's affecting all of our lives.
Most people know someone who's passed from them all.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Most people know someone who's like got shot, like a
bunch of a bunch of there's a bunch of violence.
So yeah, that's a good question. Uh, do you want
to start proud.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Liberal about how to help with mental health?

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah? And how to how to kind of solve that problem.
I know, I know we're not going to come up
with a complete solution, but I just want to think.
I just want to think of ideas, you know what
I mean, even new ideas that people haven't come up
with yet might find interesting.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, I guess I would start by saying we have
to fund mental health. I don't think it's being properly
funded anymore. Yes, so I would say that's the first
thing you do.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I wonder, So, I wonder what you think about
this idea? What do you think about like everyone? I
feel like the government should provide free therapy for everyone,
because I mean it's not I don't think it's a
communist or socialist thing. I just think it's a preventing

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mass shooting this type of thing. And I don't want
to ban that. I don't want to ban guns. I
don't want to take away the Second Amendment or ban
any type of guns. But I mean people, people are
responsible for those actions. It's not the guns, it's the people.

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And so I think when people are in school or college,
there should be a psychologist to evaluate every single one
of them for you know, mental health risks, and make
sure that everyone's doing all right and they're just so
many people who don't have fathers their mom Their moms

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work constantly to try to provide and a lot of
them are lonely. A lot of them are lonely and
kind of seek to fulfill that and that kind I
feel like that kind of causes a bit of mental
illness as well.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are kind of hopeless.
And I think the way that you combat that is
to instill religious values in the country. Where people feel
there's not really a point to what they're doing, they're
just going to sleep on the streets and they're not
going to try to better themselves because they don't feel

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they're better than what they're at right now. And I
think that's sort of mindset is very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
And yeah, people don't socialize very much. They're always on
their phones. And I'm guilty of this too, and I
think that I think that's a part of it, social media,
but a lot of it is drugs. I mean, people

(30:20):
get in people get into drugs, And sorry, I wanted
to go back to your religious point. I don't think
it's necessarily the religion that is the that that it's not.
I don't think it's the religion as a part of it.
I think it's just having a community, a group of

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people you know who care about you, who you know,
you get to know them as you know, as you
meet more. I mean, there should just be groups like online.
I wish there was like of people who are you know,
are you bored? Let's let's just chat, let's.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
But do you think the mindset of changing from your
a cosmic mistake to you were designed with purpose? Do
you think that would change how people see their lives
and how they act in their lives.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, And it's just it's the community part that I
that I mentioned just now. I think that's a big
part of it. Is just like I have a community.
I have people you know who love me and care
about me, and I have a studied social group, and
you know what I mean, that's a really big part

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of it.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
But what does that matter if you're just a rock
in space?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Honestly, dude, I have no idea and and and I
think that it's okay to admit that yet not quite
sure if heaven or hell exists. I mean, maybe there's
something completely different, and uh, maybe it's maybe when you die,
it's you know, yeah, then nothing else. I mean, there

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there's so many possibilities of what of you know, what
happens when you die? You know who is the real God?
Like we've like South Park was talking about the Mormons
were right, the rest of you are going to hell.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Well, I guess the point I'm trying to make is
a lot of the problems you are noticing your country.
Do you think maybe it's connected with the rise of secularism.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Maybe in a way, but I don't think there's a
way to get like young kids, not yet, but like
if like twelve or thirteen, they're not gonna want to
go to fucking church. I mean, I'm saying this from experience.
I went to church a bunch when I was a kid,

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a teenager and stuff like that. I did not want
to go to church. So I actually had It's funny,
I had a braille device and I would just go
to the terminal and it would allow me to control
my phone. I would turn off my speech, turn down
my volume, and mute everything, and then I would just
I would just look on my phone and I would

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text people.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
And you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
So I I don't think I don't see a way
to get young kids into like church or mosques or something.
Were you gonna say something, Christina.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I was gonna say, I get what you're trying to say,
because if people feel like they have a purpose for
being here and it gives them more meaning in their life,
you know, and they build community through church and they
it might be it could be.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Correlated with it.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, I guess what I would say to your point, Sean,
is there's a lot of things kids don't want to do.
Like I didn't want to go to school. I didn't
want to go to the dentist. And that's why it's
important that you have parents that will guide you when
maybe as a kid, you think you know better, but

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maybe you don't. That way, they can kind of guide
you through your life and help you with those sort
of decisions.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, I was in uh Ala, Mogordo. Uh It's a
city that's a town about four hours away from where
I live, and I would stay it was a school
for the blind, and I would stay there for five days.
And you know, I say, I stay till sun Sunday
through from.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And then.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'd be home, you know, from late Friday to early Sunday.
So I so and I went there for several years.
So I feel like in a way, in a way,

(35:24):
I feel like there was some like gaps in my
mom raising me, like not like And it's definitely it's that.
I'm not saying that it's her fault or nothing. It's
it's not. It's just the circumstance. I don't know why
I'm bringing it up. I was just letting you know

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my parental experience, but overall, my mom's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Just letting you know.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, yeah, I guess the main thing I was just
saying is there's a few Number one, there's different ways
you can approach religion to children.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
But number two, even if they don't necessarily want to go,
kids also don't want to eat their That's right, I.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Still don't eat my fucking vegetables.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, eventually you eat it because it's healthy, right, and
you want certain vitamins, and you don't want to eat
like fast food all the time or super processed foods,
So you eat it because it's good for you, not necessarily.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Because you want to exactly. But I feel like people
like especially in like teenagers and stuff like that, they
have different beliefs and I don't that might differ from
their parents. Like could you imagine like a white Texas,
a white Texas Christian family and they've got a you know,

(36:55):
fourteen fourteen, fifteen year old son, and he wants to
be and heat he's now a Muslim, he believes in Islam.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Well, that's why it's important you have those sort of
people in the family that can explain things to him
and answer his questions so that he doesn't go down
any of this sort's pass Yeah, where you have Islam
in the Quran, which is its whole other thing. You know,

(37:29):
it's fine to like explore and like read about different ideas,
and that shouldn't necessarily be shunned. But it's also important
that the people that are inform you were educated enough
to know what they believe, so that you can give
whatever appropriate counter argument there is, whether it be things

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that are mentioned in the Koran, the historical contacts Muhammad
as a person.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, I read parts of the Bible and parts of
the Koran. Yeah, them motherfuckers, Them motherfuckers are strict. You
can't eat pork, you can't drink, you can't smoke. Yeah,
the only freedom you have is to beat your wife

(38:20):
as a as a muscle. I'm sorry, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying, like a lot of people in like
Saudi Arabia and shit, like they'll fucking they'll fucking beat
their wives. Like it's sad.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah it is, And there's a lot of It's clearly
a religion that was promoted by a guy, in this case, Muhammad,
who claimed to have had information added to him from God,
and all that information just so happened to benefit them,
whether it be marrying a little girl or marrying a

(38:57):
bunch of different wives. It all just so hap him
to be rules that didn't apply to him, that allowed
him to do all these different things, which was pretty convenient.
It's almost like Joseph, you compare that to the apostles
in the Bible, and they were martyred to him, they

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said things and then they were tortured and killed.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, you know, and so like I guess religion could
be a good, good way to solve it, but I
mean I think you would have to have multiple components,
like all of the things that we suggested, Like people

(39:45):
don't talk about it. People talk about the mental health
crisis and they're like, oh, it's so sad. It's so sad,
but people never think. I don't feel like people think
about solutions, like when there's a mass when there's a
mass shooting. I hate the way that politicians act and
political people act when there's a mass shooting, because Democrats

(40:09):
will be like, bam, these guns, ban these guns, and
these guns, we told you, And then Republicans are like,
we need to solve the mental health crisis. And then
when they when they voted, when Republicans had a majority,
they voted for, they tried to vote for, they tried
to get funding for mental health passed, and Republicans voted

(40:33):
against it, against it. Mostly Republicans voted against it. It's crazy.
Republicans don't care. Democrats don't care.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And I.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I think maybe we need a new party, maybe we
need maybe we need to get money out of politics
because our politicians are such already pieces of shit. They
are absolute filth shit backs. I'm being honest with you.
They are filthy, They are liars, they are cheaters, and

(41:11):
a lot of them do insider trading and I can't
stand it. It makes me fucking sick.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
The only thing I would say is I think a
lot of these solutions we talk about, they're actually more
band aids on a bullet wound. I actually think the
religious aspect is an issue.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
So so all of those combined are still a band
aid on a bullet hole? Or what do you think?
What else do you think could be helpful?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Well, give me an issue. Let's just pick one.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Uh, like the drug issue, like like like fentol. I mean,
do you know anyone who has passed away from fentanyl?

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I don't think so. There was somebody who potentially did,
but they never did an autopsy.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah. I my next door neighbor, we were pretty close,
and she killed herself with fentanyl. And it's just tragic
that you've got people who sell that shit right around
the corner from you, and it just it makes me uncomfortable.

(42:30):
It makes me uncomfortable to live where I live. Well,
that's like right by the border, right where all the
filthy illegals run around.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
So we'll take that as an example. There's a lot
of policies you could implement, and I'm not saying they
wouldn't necessarily help. But what I would say is if
the United States were a super majority Christian, you wouldn't
have a lot of people selling these angel drugs to
other people and killing them. We also wouldn't have people

(43:06):
that are essentially coping with their own existence their drug use. Yeah,
so I think that would be maybe the biggest change
you can make. I think you'd have less people abusing it.
I think you would have less people selling it. That's
not to say there's not policies you can implement that

(43:27):
would also help.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
What do you think about Trump's war on the drug cartel,
on the drug.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Cartels like the Venezuelan drug cartel. Yeah, yeah, I support it.
I think that is something you can do that does help.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Exactly. I mean, it's just it's so sad to see
so many, especially young people getting killed off of this feminol.
And it's also really sad too because I want to
explain this to you before we go on. You've got

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kids who are like seventeen to maybe twenty one or
twenty two, and there are two groups of kids. There's
the one group that you know will shoot somebody in
the park or shoot at you, or you know, shoot
their gun in public, and you know that's very dangerous.

(44:34):
And then there's another group of kids who understand this
violence and that they want to protect themselves. So they
get guns, but they don't really know how to fucking
use one, so they either shoot them They either accidentally
shoot themselves or accidentally shoot their friend. And I've seen

(44:55):
this happen and it's insane. And I don't know if
there's a way to make those types of make those
types of people, Christian, I don't know how that would work.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Are you talking about it kind of cut out a
little bit there the people that were like selling the drugs, No, no.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
No, I'm talking about people who will shoot kids, like
people who there are kids that will shoot other kids,
like they'll they'll be in the parts. No, not even gangsters,
just regular ass kids. They'll get a gun. And even
my brother he was shot at at a park and
his friends were trying to hang out at the park

(45:38):
and they were shot at. So my brother got a gun,
and I guess it makes him feel safer, but I
don't know if he really knows how to use that.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Well. Part of being a gunner is understanding how to
realize a sponsor.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, You've got so many kids now who have guns
who are that are even illegal. They're either stolen from
the stolen from someone's house, or you know, connected to
a murder.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Do you think that it's connected to the violence in general?
People feel they need to be armed because it's a
more violent.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Society exactly Like I even feel like I need to
be armed. Like I'm not gonna have a gun because
I don't quite know how to use it, but I
would like some type of knife that i'd be able
to wield against somebody if they were to threaten me

(46:41):
or my family. I think that's something that I want
to get because it is a violent society.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
You're right, do you think Christianity would be good at
combating violent society?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I think in a way yes, But I think those
people who go around and shoot kids and sell drugs,
I don't think that they I I don't think that
Christianity can help them. I don't think that any type
of religion can help them. I really don't have a
solution for that. I think maybe that's where like therapy

(47:18):
comes in, and you know, maybe we need asylums for
the for the worst of them, But they shouldn't be
like they shouldn't be like prisons. I mean, those people
need help. They sell drugs, they shoot people, they need help,
And I don't know if that's through Christianity. I don't think.

(47:41):
I'm not quite sure how that would work, but through
like therapy and trying to, you know, get help.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Maybe you think therapy would make them one or not
shoot people.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I think that that's the closest like either either that
or mental asylums.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Mental asylums are definitely necessary for the mentally insane, but
I don't think we necessary. We do have people that
are insane or not about it. Yeah, but I think
we have a lot of people that commit acts of
violence and they're not insane, they're just living in a
secular culture where it might makes right if you're stronger

(48:29):
than them, or you have something that they don't, they
can overpower them, Well why don't you do it? And
there's no moral enforcement on why they shouldn't do it?
How benefits?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
So, how do you think that you could convert these people?
You know, who are you know, they're not children, they're
seventeen to twenty one. How do you think you can
convert these people into christian Like?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
How does that?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
How do you think that works? I honestly don't see
a way for that to work.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
I frankly believe society should be kind of like how
it was a long time ago, and Christianity should be
the central album. And there are a lot of it,
whether it be the media, the things you watch, the
things you read, what you're taught in school. It should
be instilled from essentially a very young age. And some

(49:25):
of it is done in the home. That the problem
is so many people are no longer religious. It's not
being installed inside the home. Yeah, so they have this
is never being instilled at all.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
So it's not like you necessarily take somebody and then
they're necessarily a better person the next day. But it
can be as told to change the culture.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
That could be way.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Man, you've changed your views a lot, Like I'm not
trying to be like I'm not trying to be like
an asshole about it either. Like it it's interesting. Yeah,
and it seems like you're a bit more open minded.
We can kind of agree on certain things. I'm not

(50:18):
big on Christianity. Maybe I should go to church or
some shit, like, I'm not I'm not sure, but I'm
I know that I'm not the one who's out there
fucking killing people or selling drugs. I'm just minding my
own business, doing my podcast and smoking my weed.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I'm just sorry.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
What did you say?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
They cut out there for a second.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I was saying, I'm not a huge person. I'm not
a huge Christianity person, But I'm not the one who's
out there killing kids and selling drugs. I'm just I'm
just doing my part. I'm just minding my business, doing
my podcast and smoking my weed.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
So where do you get your meaning from?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Where do I what?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Where do you get your meaning?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Did you say my weed?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Meaning? Like your purpose?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Meaning? I get it out of taking care of family
and it's always trying to be a generous, good person
and trying not to be a moody asshole. I'm yeah,
my meaning and my purpose from Christina. I mean there's

(51:45):
some certain things. I mean, there are certain things that
she needs from me and certain things I need from her,
and I get purpose from I feel purpose from being
able to take care of her and make her happy.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Okay, what if that was gone?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
What if that was gone? I don't fucking know.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
So it sounds like it's a little I mean, obviously
that's not a good thing, but it's not completely stable.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, I mean I think after after that, if that
was gone, my purpose would be trying to get run
get run over by a car.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah, so that's kind of I guess what I was
trying to get at is where we get our purpose
a meeting from. It's a pretty important question because it's
what keeps people going.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
So you think that's from God? Is that your Is
that your opinion? I'm just genuinely curious.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I think a materialistic world is inherently going to be nihilistic,
and I don't think there's a convincing argument against that.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Can you gotta explain what you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
If all you are is matter in motion and you're
just a cosmic mistake floating in a rock and space,
then the natural conclusion you would reach is that life
is ultimately meaningless. Even if you get some joy in
the moment. Eventually you're going to die, the people around

(53:42):
you're going to die, the entire earth is going to
be engulfed by the sun. So I think the natural
conclusion to that would be nihilist in this sense of meaningless,
purposeless life. And I think there's a lot of people

(54:03):
in this country that, even if they don't consciously realize,
that's the conclusion they're coming to. It's the conclusion they're
coming to subconsciously. So how didn't we have to the
wonder if that's connected to suicide rates, mass shootings, drug overdoses.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
So how do you how do you think that God
gives you purpose?

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Well, the first way I would say it gives you
purpose is you're not a mistake. You have meaning. And
if you contrast that with what I said earlier, with Christianity,
you're so important that God came down to earth as
a man, suffered and died for you, the way that

(54:56):
you would look at your life is going to be
a lot different than if you were just a random
mistake that didn't need to happen at all. And the
way that you hold yourself throughout life, would.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
You That makes sense?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
So I think even if people don't realize it, and
even if they don't internalize it, by being a fundamentally christianation,
people are going to have more purpose in their life.
They're going to not feel the sense of hopelessness. They're
not going to turn to drugs as easily. They're not
going to think, well, I'll just go out in a

(55:38):
fiery blaze of bullets after I shoot this place up.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, I don't understand the whole concept of like I'm
gonna die, but if I'm gonna die, I'm going to
take a whole bunch of people out with me. Like
I don't understand that whole concept like this. You don't
need to do that, dude.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
No, I mean it's obviously terrible, But a lot of
those people are that do that. They're pretty hopeless. It's
not like they think, oh, no, one's going to notice
that I just killed all those kids over there. They
know they're going to get caught, and most of them
want to die and be seen as some sort of

(56:25):
hero in a way.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
How the fuck I don't understand that. Why that You're
not a fucking hero. You're a villain, dude.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I mean you're Some of them will idolized the other
shooters of the past, like the Columbine kids stuff like that.
They get inspiration from.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Them, believe it or not, like Jeffrey Dahmer and ship
Yeah copycats. Yeah, I think hold on just one one second.
I feel like the reason people are turned away from

(57:07):
Christianity is because of Christians. I feel like a lot
of them are overly judging and expect you to be
basically perfect, Like if I mean, if you had one
abortion in your life. You mean, it's it's just something
that they're all that they'll criticize you for and judge

(57:28):
you for. And people people genuinely consider Christians to be
judgy types of people. And and I'm not saying this
is you know, all Christians, but that's just the general
impression that I feel like people get, including me. What
do you think they do? You agree with what I'm thinking?

(57:50):
Very very pushy. I think if people want, if they
want a Christian nation, they shouldn't act the way they do.
Do you agree for our liberal.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
In some situations? Yes, But I also feel that Christianity
is by far the most forgiving religion that you can have,
even if you compare it to more secular things. If
you think about how many people are upset over a
joke somebody made ten years ago on their Twitter and

(58:27):
then they never get forgiven and they're essentially kicked off
of their show or what have you, whereas Christianity teaches
things like you forgive people. And even if you read
the Bible itself, the Bible and what Jesus did when
he was on Earth, it's kind of the complete opposite

(58:48):
of that. If you look at the story of the
woman at the well, where the Americans at the time
was seen as basically below that of the Jewish people.
And well, the not funny but maybe ironic thing is

(59:12):
the Samaritans were a mixed group of people because they
were conquered and there was this sort of international marriages happening,
so they weren't purely Jewish and there they were kind
of looked down. This kind of sounds like what Hitler did, right,

(59:35):
You weren't in pure area. Yeah, And in general, Samaritan
women's would go in the morning together to gather water.
So the Samaritan woman from the story was an outcast
among outcasts, and you weren't supposed to talk to them.

(59:57):
You weren't supposed to do any of that. And that's
not what Jesus did at all. So I think a
lot of the Bible stories are actually not really like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I think there I'm not saying that the Bible stories are.
I'm just saying that the Christian people are, and I
just wanted to I just wanted to be clear about that.
I'm not saying that, you know, the Bible was judged.
I mean, the Old Testament definitely was, like it literally
says that being gay will send you to the fucking

(01:00:35):
pits of Hell, and and I don't I don't agree
with that. I don't agree with that. I think maybe
there should be a bit maybe a different standard for
transgender people, and maybe a Christian society will kind of
prevent that and prevent that type of confusion and disorder.

(01:00:58):
I think Christina has a question, can you tell I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Can tell you you kind of like, how do you
feel about spirituality versus religion?

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Well, I mean, what do you mean by spirituality exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I'm not sure exactly, But what if someone just like
gets their morals from like maybe a different couple religions
mixed together follow Christianity, like of what Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Said, but maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Everything in the Bible, you know, but if you kind
of just choose what feels right to you and your
spirit spiritually.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I would say the danger of that is the fact
that humans are fooled. So how do you know what
is right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I just like that, like, not know what's right, but
just what feels right to you, Because sometimes the Bible
feels wrong to me, like when it says that the
gayser abominations or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I don't feel that I don't believe that. No, And
when it says you can't have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
An abortion, I don't agree with that either. But I
do agree with a lot of the morals in there,
and like what Jesus' story you know? So, But then
I also look at like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Like other, like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Kharma, and like Taoism, Buddhism, like vegan Yang, like there's
always gonna be good at evil, but just try to
be as good as you can against the evil.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
In a way, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I'm not sure what spirituality actually means the definition, but
what if people just found a way to communicate with
each other to where they don't feel lonely, they have
a sense of community and a purpose and meaning.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
I would say that's essentially what modern society is right now.
But maybe instead of being in spirituality, people are connected
to some sort of identity with each other and that
replaces the classical kiskat with identity, politics and other things

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people are willing to do things for. And I mean fundamentally,
I would still say the issue with it is what
if you're what if you were wrong about a Porsche
or gay marriage or what have you, Well, you could
be I guess, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I don't feel like I am.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I've been felt this way since I was like fourteen fifteen,
I felt the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I just don't agree with a lot that's in the Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
But I do agree with a lot with what Jesus taught.
So I'm kind of torn on how to feel about Christianity.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, like, you know, love, you love your neighbor, you
know that should not killed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
And shit like that, like how Jesus lived his life,
Like I want to be like good like that, you know.
I look up to that and I like the I
don't like what happened to him, but I like that
that's part of the Bible, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
I what if, for example, abortion, what if you changed
your mind and you realize you came to the conclusion
that that was killing a person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I do feel like it is. It is killing
a person. It is taking a life.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
But that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Is such a complicated issue. I don't feel like we
should have a certain rules against it. Because women, some
women just shouldn't bring children into this world anymore, and
it's overpopulated and they won't be able to take care
of them, and they'll just bring them into a horrible life.
You know, I wouldn't want them to suffer that way,

(01:04:40):
So I'm okay with abortion.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
So you don't want them to suffer, so you kill them?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, so well you you kind of prevent them from having.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
A crappy life, horrible life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It's kind of like just I don't feel like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Like shootings body who's breathing and living. It's something that's
like growing inside you that I really don't think you
should do it. I think you should do your best
to take care of it. But I've just heard hopingy
horror stories about children who are born to parents, and
she just feels like maybe they would have been better
if that lady would have just had an abortion instead
of having a baby that she tortures exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I mean, it's a very look at her. I mean,
it's true though, it's true. Let me just explain my
aunt Melissa. She had five kids and they lived in
a crappy ass house. Couches were stained with like dog

(01:05:44):
pissed dog shit.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
They lived in the ghetto. Sometimes they didn't go to school,
they didn't have good clothes, they were and they were
they were beaten there. I mean, and in a way
I would say there were psychologically tortured and kind of
messed up, but like she actually messed them up to
where there's I mean, my mom tried to adopt them

(01:06:13):
and she couldn't fix the damage that she made with
those five kids. It was a horrible thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
And in New Mexico there's stories often of women torturing
like babies.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Well, I would say that's what abortion is doing. I
would say they're both.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Well, I mean, the science shows that a baby can
feel pain. A baby can feel pain at five months,
So if you do if you do it before then,
I feel like it's not it's not the same as
you know, torturing a kid, being a horrible parent.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
So it's okay to kill someone if they don't feel
the pain from it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I think in general, yes, I mean, it's it's an embryo.
It's it's it's not quite a child. It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Well in five months, it's not an embryo that was
long before.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I'm saying before, I'm saying before five months, and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Even much even weeks later, it's no longer an embryo.
That's in the very beginning stages.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
But it's not quite a human yet. It's it's not
developed into a human.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
And so let me ask you what makes someone a human?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I would say, you know, living, breathing, like out of
like out of the out of the womb, like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Only delivered.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yes, but I don't I don't think that. I don't
think that you should have an abortion late like late
term abortions. I don't think that those are right. But
why not, because that's that's too far along. You should
have made that decision long before then. And and then

(01:08:27):
I think at that stage it's wrong and most states
don't allow it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Okay, but think the states might not allow it. Maybe
they waited, but why is it bad that they they
waited to give an abortion at once?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Because I told you as I told you, yeah, five months,
it can feel pain, So I think, I mean, I
think it should be a four month limit. I mean, mh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
So the issue isn't so much that you're killing them,
it's that they can feel pain.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
To you. Yeah, so what if you shot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Somebody in the head while they were sleeping and killed
and would that still be wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
That is that that's completely different.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Why they don't feel any pain? Isn't that what was
wrong with it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
That's a lead living breathing human who is out of
out of the womb. That's that's what I'm trying to
explain to you. Are you an extreme Christian Republican now
or like what is it? Are you trying Are you
trying to are you trying to change your n are
you going to change your name on extra proud conservative?

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I'm just trying to Well, you say like it's different
because they're out of the womb now, but you agree
even in the room at times it's wrong to work to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Be Yeah, I just have certain standards, like I just
have certain moral standards, and it may not be what
the Bible says. It might might not be what the
Quran says. I just think it's a certain I just
think at a certain I just think at a certain
point it's wrong. But I think also I think also

(01:10:26):
I'm a moderate on this because women also deserve the right,
the right to choose. I mean, if you're seventeen, you're
about to get your life started, I mean I would understand,
I would understand doing something like that because you're not
prepared to take care of a kid, you're not prepared

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to bring that life into the world.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
You don't want your own You don't want your own
child to grow up in poverty. And and that's how
a lot of Americans are living. It's either most times,
it's either very rich or very poor. Well, the only
middle class person I know is my grandma. She's she

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worked at the at the Los Alamos labs and made
a bunch of money, and I think she's the only
middle class person I know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
So we should kill them because they might be poor.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
That's not you're you're oversimplifying what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
You don't want them to suffer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You don't want them to suffer. You don't want them
to have You want to be in the position where
you could give when where you can give them a
good life.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
So what what classifies? Because there's the States, and then
there's also poverty in Africa, right, so at what point
are you too poor to be allowed to live?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
It's not about that. You're completely oversimplifying it and twisting
the words. I never said that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
You said that they might live in poverty, and that's
really bad. So it's better that we just abort them.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
In the room.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
I mean, I think that should be the Africa way personally.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
See, everyone in Africa just can't have a bathy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I mean, why would they want to? I mean they
don't have fucking clean water. I mean everybody's fucking poor there.
I mean you can't, like, how can you be, you know,
not having yourself, not having clean water, having the slave

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away for long hours and low pay. That's how it
always is. And you don't want you don't want to
break somebody in. What do you mean? I'm just I'm
just saying. I'm not saying that like all of them
should have abortions, but it's something to consider if you're

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if you're not prepared to raise a kid. I'm just
I believe, I just I believe in women's rights to
an extent.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
You get what I mean, arbitrary distinction, Like it's not
entirely because it's interesting because you'll note that there's cases
where abortion is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yes, but I'm telling you I'm a moderate on this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I'm not I don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I'm notting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
No, I'm not, and and i'm not one of I'm
I'm not protesting. I'm not I'm not protesting modern No.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
It's just if it's wrong, not if it's popular.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
No, it's not about it's not about being popular. It's
not about being popular. It's not about you know, a
popular position, it's about being It's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
It's always wrong to have a portion.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I feel like you think it's always wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
It's always wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
It's a bad decision, but some people have to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, so people have to make that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Hard decision, but it's always wrong. You don't want to
take life away from this world, you know, like on
a moral level, and they're like in real life level.
You gotta think about that child's life and what it'll.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Be like to a parent that doesn't want it, or
a parent that you can't afford to take care of it,
or or can't even afford to take care of themselves,
Like could you picture my brother, Like if my brother
can't afford it, Like, I'm not trying to be a dick.
I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just I'm
just trying to give you an example. Like my brother

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is behind on rent, he's he doesn't have a car
of my dad destroyed it all that, and I could
not picture like him bringing life into the world right
now because he's super adhd like he's kind of a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Well I'm not saying he necessarily should go and breed
a woman or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm not saying like, I'm not saying that either. I'm
not saying that either. I'm not but I'm saying if
he were to bring a life into this world, like
I'm not sure if he would be comfortable with it,
with the like, with his status, like it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Would work out somehow, you know, sometimes it just happens
when it happens, and work it out somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It just somehow works. But like, there's just a very
few certain people who have to make that hard decision,
and we should stay out of it, and up to
a certain point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Exactly, I don't think you should have It's always wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
It's always wrong, unless it's the life of the mother.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
But I think it's I think it's more wrong when
it's like eight or nine months in or you know,
past five.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
So that's that's my main question is you're you're seeing
that it's wrong at like eight months, but at first
you said, well, it can feel pain, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
That's what I'm saying. I don't. I never said that.
You're twisting my words again, proudly, bro you said that
at five months that I did say that. I did
say that. So I said my limit was four months,
And I was telling you just now that I I

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that's that's my limit. And I know people do. There
are people who will do it. Give me a second
to finish my point. There are people who will have
an abortion at eight or nine months. And I was
just pointing out that it was that that was wrong
as well. I was just pointing that out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Okay, so I have a question for you. So four
months you should be allowed to get an abortion, right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, I think that's my limit. That's my limit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Just more, Let's say, let's say medical advances get better
and at four months we're able to deliver a baby
and put that baby into some kind of incubator and
the baby can survive. Does that baby have any sort
of rights?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I don't think we can.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Just can I get an amber and press it's skull.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I'm not saying you've got to hammer and press his skull.
And I'm not saying any of that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
I'm just ask I'm not saying you said that. I'm
just asking what did you wrong if I did that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yes, but there are medical procedures, and I honestly don't
know why you would put it in an incubator.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
It's just a thought. Experiment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
So after the baby was in an incubator, would it
go to see why the child protective services.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
It's like an artificial mood you can think of. It's
not that far fetch.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
No, I'm just asking if I'm just asking you a
question to understand what you're trying to ask what you're
trying to ask me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
What I'm saying is, let's say future you're able to
do some sort of surgical procedure and take a four
months of baby and put it in some sort of
artificial wound. Would it be wrong if I took the
hammer and fast scroll.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yes, because you're not performing a medical procedure. You're performing
You're performing an act of violence.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
So you're saying it's okay if you did, like you
stuck a needle in it like an abortion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
And killed it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I think it's wrong, but sometimes necessary. That's why I
told you I have I have a four month limit.
I mean some people are some states are very strict
on this, some states are not.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
So you would be okay with that. You just wouldn't.
You wouldn't like it. You wouldn't say that they're that
should be stopped the hammer Let's say sticking a needle.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yeah, I think it's wrong, but sometimes necessary. And then
I don't think that we should meddle in that type
of business. Did you have a question?

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Interesting, you don't feel like that would be uncomfortable? Or
maybe something we legislate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I got it, something we should legislate and talk about,
because you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Can I ask why it would be wrong to hit
the baby?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I'm gonna incubator, I'm gonna I'm gonna post that clip
I'm gonna put so you think you don't think you'd
be wrong if I I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I'm disvested with you. But it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Seems like you would say that. You're saying that it's
wrong to hit the baby in the head with the handle.
But why is that wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Because I told you that is an act of literal
violence and hatred, and I feel like that maybe at
that at that point, at that point, would feel the
pain of it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
No, it doesn't feel pain until five months.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
You said, Well, who knows how long the damn thing's
been in the incubator.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I'm just saying immediately afterwards, you're not performed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
What I'm telling you is that you're not performing a
medical procedure. You are performing an act of violence and hatred, and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
That that is violence events.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
M a baby like you're you're performing an act of
violence and and any and any and is it an infant?
That not an infant? A fetus? I was looking for
the correct word there. I don't think that a needle

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and you know, performing an abortion is like slamming a
hammer on a baby's head like that in in all circumstances,
that is wrong because you're a little like you're committing
an act of violence and hatred. That that that's my answer.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
And I committing an active violence.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
An infant. Yeah, you're like, do you kind.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Of the point that I'm making.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I see the point that you're making. But I think
that doesn't mean that people still as still shouldn't have
that right because I just feel I just feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
This is such a unitarian.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Well, it's just like it's making a compromise between far
right Christians who want to ban abortion and people who
want you know, late late.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Term abortion, no restrictions on abortion. Like those types of people,
like those types of people are are at a war
on abortion. And I think there's a way that we
can compromise and make it. I think we can compromise,

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we can meet in the middle exactly exactly will make
it compromise with you mean, baby can feel pain at
five months, so I think four months. I'm trying to
you exactly I do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I didn't take I didn't take.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
The little round being in a position that you probably
would find morally disgusting, right, certain people would.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I mean, I think we told you, we think that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
It's another question a little bit, okay, okay, how do
you feel about abortion when it comes to someone who
was raped or incest or like, you're still killing a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
It's still wrong. But should they not be allowed to
do that? Should they be forced to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Bring that into the world a rapist baby? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Yeah, So anytime someone does something wrong, you don't then
go and kill the baby.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
That's kind of how I look.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
So like, if someone broke into my house, that person
that broke into my house, I can hold responsible. I
could defend my own press charges whatever. But if I
went to his home and then shot his kid in
the face, I would be a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah, but you're also like, I don't think you understand,
Like I think it would be horrible to have to
carry a rapist baby, and I think, I mean, you've
got to make your decision. You know, four months still holds,
but you've got to make your decision. But you should

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also have that right that should be available to people exactly,
and incest one of our business.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Really, Like I don't think we should stick our nose
in it so much, Like, yeah, we can't just tell people.
I think abortions.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
I think it really comes down to what is it?
Is it a human life? If it's a human life,
then I think if it's not a human life, then
you can do whatever you want to. But if it
is a human life, then we have to protect it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
It's a developing human life, so it's not quite at.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
But aren't we all developing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Is it not? In the not in the way that
babies develop in the womb?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
What is the distinction? Exactly what that you're drawing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
I'm just trying to say that. I think it would
be like it if you try to put yourself in
woman's shoes who was raped, Like would you want to
carry that to turn?

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Like that's horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Well, I can tell you what I wouldn't want to do.
I wouldn't want to kill a baby because I was
That doesn't stop the pain of rape. That just kills
another innocent person.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
I think having had to carry that determine then take
care of it for the rest of your life would
be a constant reminder of what you went through. And
I don't know until you've actually been raped, you can't
really say that how you would feel about it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Yeah, well you don't have to. You can adopt, you
can put the kid adoption.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's such a good
place to put a kid either though.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
But killing the better alternity, Yeah, terminating.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Them because because there are a lot of there are
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
It's a sad issue. It's very complicated.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
But what would you say to someone that's in foster, like, hey,
you're better off day, but what But.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
You don't want to bring another person into the foster
system because it's like a lot of it is horrible
that some of the foster parents aren't so great, And
but you don't want, you don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I think they should push adoption more so women feel
like they have that option and there should be more
people willing to adopt kids and willing to give them
a good life, and we could change that, maybe like
through getting people ideas of wanting to adopt more kids
and help them and make it a more popular thing
that we talk about instead of just giving a girl

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feel like the only chance who has is have an abortion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, if you're able to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
To her and tell her your kid will go to
the foster care and have a good life because foster care.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Is good now you know, we fixed it or you know,
and they'd have an option for their babies.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Sometimes they don't feel like there's a good option. They
feel trapped and they have to make a horrible decision.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
And I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone has
the right to impede on that decision until that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
You can actually, I mean I would, but I wouldn't
be objecting everybody. But it should be a women's right
to I would say, I would say, it's not a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Woman's right to choose that five months to a point
to a point, what about eight months does she have
a right to choose?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
No, that's she doesn't have done past none, past technology
and everything. Nowadays, girls know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
When they're pregnant. They're so easy to get a pregnancy test.
It's easy to know when you're pregnant. Now you have
plenty of time to prepare what you want to do
with the child. And I think if we could push
people to give.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Them up for adoption, that'd be a better option than
abortion for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Okay, but would you say it's wrong eight months because
it can feel pain.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
They can feel more pain. It's more developed, it's more developed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
It's not like it's almost ready to come out any
months on its own.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
It's more of a human At what point in development
would you say that a human life.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Is Honestly, I think it's when they take their first breath.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
What do you mean, their first breath out of the womb.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
When they take their first breath, When they come out
of the womb and they breathe in life, then I
feel like it's it's it's now, it's a real human being,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
It's like out of the womb, it's developed.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Eight months wrong, it's still in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Because it's too developed and it would be really painful
for the mother, And there's plenty of other options, Like
at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
You've waited too long exactly, but it hasn't taken its
first breath.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Yet out of the room.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
No, that's true, but I just feel like that's my
point of view. But I think we have to make
rules for society at the same time. Like, I think
you'd definitely be wrong to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
So I think a rule should be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
To stop at five months or whatever, because at eight months, technically.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It's too developed to try to do that exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
But if it's just sticking at a vacuum in there
and pulling it out real quick, that's different. But when
you're eight months, I think they have to like do
a whole crazy procedure because it's it's almost I don't
even I don't even know if that's real. Women usually
know pretty soon when they like miss their first period,
or they know when they're pregnant within a couple of
months usually if they're kind of paying attention to yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Yeah, it's more of a thought experiment I'm trying to
do here. So you would agree at eight months, forget
if this is common here, If it happens a lot
at eight months, it's wrong. At five months it's still wrong.
If I understand you correctly correct my limits four and
then at four months and three weeks, is it wrong

(01:32:31):
or is it still okay to kill it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
It's an.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Where's your line though?

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
At five months?

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
So the day before five months it is okay to
get abortion, and then that next day it's not a
Is that correct? I would say, so, yeah, why would
it be wrong to kill them at five months but
not wrong to kill them at four months and thirty?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Well, when it comes to be wrong, it's always going
to be wrong. That's always the wrong decision. That's like
a last resort. And I think we should get people.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Wanting to have kids and like supporting them and offering
more healthcare oh sorry, daycare and options.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
For people who need the help, like will help you
raise this child, bring it into the world. You know,
we want more babies. I think it's the mentality of
the country.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Yeah, always wrong, But it's it's because it's so, it's
you're taking a life out of this world.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
It's always wrong. I think people always regret it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
You know, it's a difficult decision that you that some
people have to make, and they should be free to
make it at a point. At a point, I think
I think it kind of compromised would be the best
way to kind of unite the country.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
But you agree it's wrong because it's killing a human
be correct, it is killing a human being. Okay, So
do you see how these different justifications like, well, we
might not have a lot of money, or you might

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end up in foster or might not have the best life,
Like we don't use that logic any other time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Well you don't, I mean probably. I'm just gonna be
honest with you. I feel like you don't know what
foster care is. Like I've had My mom was trying
to adopt my cousins with three of them, and they

(01:34:52):
told me all about the foster system and how bad
it was in switching to family to family, and then
you know, it's just I feel like I feel like
they in a way kind of grow up unloved, so
they're better off dead, not out of not out of

(01:35:14):
the womb, but in the womb. You can make that
decision born in certain situations. Yes, I mean I wouldn't
be surprised if they said that themselves in certain situations,
if we had life, if we were like because the

(01:35:36):
government want like people, the Republicans in the government want,
you know, people to have more children, but they don't offer,
Like they just took one point one trillion dollars for medicaid.
How many parents and children do you think that's going
to affect, Like they won't have health.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
At the end of the day. It's killing a human being.
Does that really matter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
In a way?

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
It does?

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
You want your It's not about it, It's not about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Definitely matters.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
It's always gonna matter, matters over the light.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
What oh, I think I'm misunderested.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
That as in, if it is a human a.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Lot of that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
I get what you're saying. But if you agree that
that's a human way, what is the price tag of
a human life?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
There's no price you could put on life.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Do you mean like the price like it costs to
raise them? Or like what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
Like how much is somebody's life work? Is it worth
your particular financial whatever you might beat You might deem
a more not as financially stable situation, you might not

(01:37:03):
have as much money. But I would argue that's not
what gives human life value.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Yeah, I would too, But it's part of what gives
gives a human life value. It's it's definitely a part
of it. I wouldn't say it's the entirety of it,
but it's said it's part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
That doesn't sound very populist. To the wealthy, their lives
are more valuable.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Than the poor.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
I'm not saying that, I'm saying I'm saying you don't.
I'm saying you don't want to. I'm saying, in certain situations,
you don't want to bring another child into the world.
If you I mean, if you're not if you're not
in a financial situation to raise the kid, if you're

(01:37:51):
not in a mental state, in the in the right
mental state to raise a kid. I mean, there's a
lot of different factors that you have to I mean,
in certain situations that then you would give them up
for adoption, which is I mean, would you call them

(01:38:13):
no because they're out of they're out of the womb.
They're they're out of the womb and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
There, I mean, but at eight months it's also wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
It's wrong because I gave you the I gave you this,
I told you, I told you what my research, what
my research has brought me.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
I mean that there there's just kind of so your
girlfriend's basically saying it's always wrong you're saying it's wrong
up until it can feel paid. What you're saying is
five months.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Right, correct, And and I I agree with her in
a way that it is always it is. It is
always wrong, but it is a difficult it's a complicated
decision that has multiple factors.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
I don't think it's very complicated. You don't kid because
you're in a bad financial situation.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
You don't just kill them because of that, But you
might terminate your pregnancy because of so many different reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
And it's not for us to judge other people, like
even as in Christianity, you're not supposed to judge other people.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
But they do and Christians.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
So what's anarrea was justifying you killing your kid because
I can't think of a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
It's like killing a kid and terminating your pregnancy are
completely different things.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Up to a point, up to up to a point,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
I mean, well, let me ask you this, what makes
human life value? Why is he? I feel like what
makes it worth protecting?

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
What makes it valuable is like love and joy and happiness.
I think that's the value of life. I mean, there are.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Stuff your joy, but just what about life? Makes it
wrong to end it? Why is murder? There's something special
about human right. You would agree with that right. So
my question is, what specifically about human right makes murder law.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
I think it's just pure morality, like it's I mean,
it's I mean, especially if it's like let's talk about
Charlie Kirk for instance. I mean, the guy had a
wife and two kids. He had.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
If he didn't have a wife and kids, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Yeah, But I'm trying to I'm trying to. It's say,
he's got what he's got, He's got a wife, he's
got kids that he has, his purpose in life is
to His purpose in life was to raise his kids
to be good people and to help his wife and

(01:41:31):
to you know what I mean, and along with his
other mission of waking up the youth of America.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
I get that that makes it sad, like because you
think about those people and what they're listening. But I
don't think that's what makes life valuable. Because even if
Charlie Kirk had your wife and their kids, even if
he didn't do whatever it was he was doing, if
he just got shot in the back of the head
one day, we would all agree that is wrong. Yeah,

(01:42:02):
but so why would that be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Because it's a grown ass man. You're not like terminating
three months old fetus. It's killing a living, breathing human being.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Is it's completely different. You're getting these two subjects completely entangled.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
What I'm trying to do is see why you think
murder fundamentally is wrong? Is it because he's breathing? Is
it because he's a certain age? Is it because he
Why would it be wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I think it's I think it's obvious that's it's a
moral it's a a moral issue. Where you're I mean,
where you just know the killing is wrong. I mean,
and it's not the same as it's not the same
as I just told you. It's a it's a moral issue.

(01:43:15):
It's not about why is it wrong? It's it's a
moral issue of.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
I agree it's a moral issue, but you agree that
it's morally wrong to kill.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
It's not even just not even just Charlie Kirk, but anybody, anybody,
anyone sure?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I was just using that as an example, me too.
Why would it be wrong? We agree that it's wrong.
All three of us agree that if you just walked
up to somebody and shopping in the face that's wrong.
Why is it wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
I think it's just I think it's just so obvious
that it's hard to pin down an explanation. It's just
so obvious that it's just morally wrong. You're I feel
like you're tainting your soul in a way if you're
fucking killing people and shit, do you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Think maybe it's wrong because you're taking away a life,
you're ending a life.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
That's part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Yeah, well you're doing that in an abortion. But so
it has to be something else that you're seeing that
makes you feel it's wrong. And I'm just curious. It's

(01:44:39):
kind of an important question if you talk about abortion,
because you need to know why murder is wrong, Why
it's wrong to kill somebody. If you're going to legislative
abortion laws, why is that like valuable? M? Why is

(01:45:01):
that life worth protected? M?

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
I feel like because human life is sacred and we
should we should protect our own people, and we just
have we just we should just have a community that
just understands understands that murder is wrong. Uh, you know,

(01:45:30):
other crimes, other crimes.

Speaker 9 (01:45:35):
Are wrong, and it's just it's just on a soul
and moral level, it's completely wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
So I'm with you, So, so why don't you apply
that to form. It is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
We we've told you it. It is wrong, but it's
something that people have to do in certain situations.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
So do you agree abortion is always wrong too? I
was under the impression you thought it was wrong up
until five parts.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
I didn't say that. I said, my, my, that's that's
my policy. What I want, what I think would be
the best way for the world. What I think the
best thing for the world would be with the best
thing for the country is you know, to kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
To kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
To kind of have a compromise between between Americans on
a very sensitive issue.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
So, but you would agree that abortion at four months
is murdered, right, I understanding that correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
I don't think yeah, kind of a strong word.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I think it's terminating. See yeah, but I wouldn't phrase
it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Yeah, what is it your subject? What is it? You're
what is it? You're terminate?

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
You're terminating a pregnancy. You're terminating the life of a fetus,
and that fetus has not quite grown into living, breathing human.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
But I think we might somebody because I agreed with
you just said it kills a fetus but then you said,
but that's not really a human being.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
It hasn't developed into a human being. That's why, that's
why we said that eight months eight month abortions are wrong.
But by the way, I think we're running a bit
low on time. If we want to kind of if
we want to kind of move on and topic, no,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
So so, what part of what development does do you
have to read before you're giving human rights?

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
I would say, I would say outside the womb?

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Well, then why not doing abortion once.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
I have a like we're going incles. I feel like
we're going in circles. I feel like we're going in circles.
I think we should cover a different topic.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Just I'm gonna get on this again one day, just
so you know we can move on. But I'm gonna
come back to it one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Day, all right, Christina, do you have any other questions?

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Okay, what do you guys think should be done about
prison reform?

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
What should be done with prisoners?

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Like should they have to take care of or do
something productive in society, or how do we get them
out of that cycle of being stuck in prison unless
they're a really bad person, Because you gotta have prison
for really bad people.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Right, Yeah, we don't just you know, ban prisons, shut
them all down and let everybody go.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
But how do we.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Get the people who aren't so so bad back into society?

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Maybe that's not that does not apply to my dad.
He is a bad He's a bad person. I mean, honestly,
I I think I think I'm gonna go back to
the abortion thing once one more time. Just I I

(01:49:50):
think that abortion is wrong, but I think before any
babies are killed, my dad should be killed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
I would not agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
No, he's a criminal, he's a woman beater. Well whatever,
but let's let's talk about prison reform. I just wanted
to make that one remark. What do you have any ideas?
Proud liberal? Proud liberal? Or do you want me to start?

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
You can start if you want. I'm gonna get my clothes.
I'll just listen.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Okay, So I have a few ideas. The first one, Yeah,
I agree with you, Christina. They should be like they
should be on day one of them being in prison.
They should get like some good clothes they that they
should be able to keep. And I think a lot

(01:50:56):
of I think a big reason why people stay in
the prison cycle is because when you know, when they
get out, they lose all their money. People rob them,
you know, people they know, they're like, oh, I'm in prison, bro,
and they'll go break they'll go break in and seal
their stuff. So they're when prisoners get out, they are

(01:51:19):
completely destitute. I'm not saying we should give money to prisoners,
because some of them would spend it on drugs, I
have no doubt, but I wouldn't be opposed to being
like to assessed housing where you can have.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
A transition.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Yeah, like you like they can pay sixty five percent
of your rent for three months and you know, they
can help you with your bills and stuff like that.
And I think that's more of a welfare type of solution.
But I think definitely like prisoners being left destitute after

(01:52:08):
they get out is definitely a huge problem. And I
think a lot of a lot of them are like, oh,
we get free food in prison, and they take care
of they I guess that's the mentality of some of them, Like,

(01:52:30):
and they've got to learn how to take care of themselves.
Maybe you know, the cells can get a little bit
bigger and they can have like a little kitchen in there,
and they can make their own food, and they can
wash their own clothes and take care of their own
shit rather than being taken care of. And I think

(01:52:52):
a prison culture should be changed. I don't think that
the I think they should definitely have separate our stalls.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Just saying, hey, guys, I should probably get going soon
because I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Have to get up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
All right, no more time or are you?

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
Are you good? Yeah? I probably need to get to bed.
I didn't realize how it was.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
No worries, man, I've enjoyed debating with you. It's always fun.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Yeah, for sure. We'll begin sometime, so it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
It's always fun. Enjoy get some good sleep because I
tired tired you out with relentless debate for hours.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
So no worries and al Johns, I'm going to be
debating you for four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Alright you too.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Thank you guys for tuning in. I really appreciate it.
We've got a bunch of other shows that you can
check out. Ken and Ken in the morning. We're working
on getting that revamped and getting that started. I don't
know exactly what's gonna happen. We might end up terminating

(01:54:21):
the show. I have no idea what's gonna what's gonna
happen with that, but definitely check that out if you
like sports. I'm even thinking about doing my own sports show.
Do you think I should do it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
It should be a I think I'm thinking of doing
like a ship. I'm thinking of doing some show called
Monday Morning Quarterback. Okay, and uh, it'd be a mainly
cult focused show, but definitely be a bunch of looks
all around the NFL. So if we can't get Ken back,

(01:55:00):
We're gonna do some Monday Morning sports because Monday night
sports isn't cool. I'm just being a fucking asshole. Should
I do it at like every day or should I
do it like once a.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Week or something like that?

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
You think you can think about it how to see
how it goes, you gotta have charts and ship like that.
This motherfucker got two hundred and forty seven. Yeah, definitely.
We always have good conversations with him. Yeah, I mean too,
I'm like kind of stumbling and stuttering like maybe we

(01:55:42):
should like maybe when we're talking about ship like that,
maybe we shouldn't be on the podcast is because like we're.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
It makes a great podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
That's true, but like it's just sometimes you're just like maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
They might say to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Yeah, I'm just the poses aren't like I don't know
what to say. The posites are like I'm fucking I'm
fucking thinking about what's going on, you know what I mean.
So I've revamped the audio on the show. I hope
it sounds great for you guys. It's gonna be awesome.

(01:56:22):
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Speaker 4 (01:56:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
Support us for five bucks a month and that keeps
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Supporters Club, you can always tip at Real Sean McHugh

(01:57:05):
and it'll take you to my cash app. So anyway,
great conversation, great fun, and uh wow, I've still got
a bit of a buzz.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Look at that. Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
You want to get high.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
You want to get high always, you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Get high, fucking tally. If you guys are on X,
what you're watching this on X, comment down below what
you think about the what you thought about the conversation,
and comment if you comment, if you have been watching
the twenty seventh season of South Park, it's alright. There

(01:57:49):
are certain spots that are a little repetitive and kind
of stupid, but a lot of it's funny. What is
an episode before the government took my Mexicans? He's talking
to fucking chat GPTs. Funny ship? Is there anything like?

(01:58:12):
I know this is supposed to be a debate with
proud Liberal, but I was wondering if there's any other
topics that you wanted to bring. Oh, I did, do
you have any topics? No? Trump is considering firing Attorney
General Pambondi, and uh, he's planning to purge the FBI,

(01:58:40):
And what do you think about Pambondi? She is not
doing ship like she's saying, the Epstein files are on
my desk and they will be released tomorrow. Okay, if
you're not going to release the Epstein files, bitch, don't
say you're going to release them, like, just be like, no,
you're not going to get these That is it something

(01:59:00):
Bunky's going on. I don't know if it's Israel. I
don't know if Epstein was the intelligence piece for Israel
and they didn't want to They didn't want that to
come out. Maybe it was a bunch of businessmen and
politicians and it would have crashed the stock market. Maybe
that that might be another thing. Or maybe Trump's maybe

(01:59:23):
Trump's in the Epstein files and he doesn't want them released.
I'm not saying that these are like this is what happened,
blah blah blah blah blah. These are my three theories.
They're like the three things that I think happened. And
so I cannot wait for pamp Bondi to be fired.

(01:59:43):
Maybe she can get a job at Fox News, sucking
dick for Israel. Those Fox News people really just get
on their knees and put the whole thing in their mouths,
don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 8 (01:59:56):
I'm just saying they're on Fox New just won't to
go Fox boot. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying,
but anyway, I just wanted to cover that. I just
wanted to let you guys know before we ended the show.

(02:00:18):
Kind of slow news news days.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
It's a lot to talk about today.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
Yeah, definitely, I do. And on our next podcast, I
want to show some Charlie Kirk debate clips.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Should we should we just add this to the end
of the show. Put some Charlie debate clips on. Let's
say it, Let's save it for the next show. All right,
all right, sounds good. If you guys, I'm looking for partners.
I'm looking for people who want to set up their

(02:01:00):
own podcast. If you guys are interested, please you can.
You can message me. Don't say hi, how are you?
I don't respond well to that. Just get straight to
the point. I know it's not I know you guys

(02:01:21):
are dead. I know people are trying to be nice
when they message you, Hi, how are you? Like, just
get straight to the point. I don't care, Like, yeah,
your messaging on X Like why yeah, I'm not trying
to be a dick about it. It's just like, what
the hell do you want?

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
What are you messaging me?

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
I don't have a problem with you messaging me. Just
get to the fucking point. And some ladies are trying
to get you to subscribe to their only fans. I've
gotten a few of those. Mm It's like, oh, I
I don't have a girlfriend that I love. I'm just
gonna subscribe to this random girl's page and we'll see

(02:02:03):
what happens. All right, this is kind of adding some
weird shit to the debate, but anyway, again, thank you
guys for listening. This is the Fire Podcast and we
will be back soon. Thank you.

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