Fire Escape Cast #98

Mary spent her entire holiday vacation playing a game that the guys definitely didn't recommend. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I played a game over break and I can't remember
the name of it, and my switches out of battery,
and you know how you can't turn on your Nintendo
switch UNTILSS it has like.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Ten percent battery.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So I just literally don't think I can talk about
it because I don't.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
This is the intro make up an game right now.
Switch charges.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
It was there.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
It was like black and white, and there was like
a cat and it was kind of blob like and
it was a platformer with like some puzzles.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
So I'm gonna call it.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I I just saw this on like Steam. No you
did not, I promise you.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I did.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Hold On Black and White Cat where you solve puzzles
and it's a platformer.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
It is uh, I.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Had your cat cute cute cat puzzle platformer. No, oh,
I see it right Umbrella, Umbrella Adventure, the Castle of Cake.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
No, it's right here, end Zone, two zones.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's not it about Star Wars, Bounty Hunter. Okay, maybe
AI Mortal Sin.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You've wasted so much of.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
My time Hold On Cat. This is your fault. Yeah,
that's your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's not my fault that the Nintendo switch doesn't turn
on and this it has a certain amount of battery,
which so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Cotta buttered just saying random twisted metal.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Iree was it? Cotto buttered Cat ninety seven?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Cotto buttered Cat is a really long name.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Slippery too.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the fire Scape cast. It
is episode ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I'm Mike. That's Mary, Hi, that's Dan. Hello? Where butry Mary?
Really prepared for this episode? ID?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I played multiple games.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
That you can remember the names of.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
We're creeping closer to episode of Honda speaking a more
like Hondo buttered Hat.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're getting close.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm gonna have just tilted your head in the exact
same way that amazing joke.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, look at that. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
People tend to tilt their heads when they understand and
appreciate a good joke.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Is the game I didn't pick it up? Is the
game cat Quest?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm trying to help you here, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
A Caravan Party, Animals, Stray rain World, Night in the Woods,
Kit dot Io, The Purring Quest, Cat Meat, uh Gatto,
Roboto Play with Gilbert remake, Magic Cat Cats Are Liquid
Cat Goes Fishing Cats one and two. A Street Cat's
Tail another site Cattails Become a Cat and Black Sad

(02:59):
under the Skin.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
There's tit talk. What is this game? What's the game?
Oh that's an appropriate Okay, I'm going to back out
of that Steam page.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So what's what's been up with you guys? Aside from
Mary's switch charging, I went.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
No, I'm first.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I went to uh leaven Worth, Washington, and Uh, it
depends on how you want.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
To say, oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Is the is the person who has like the perfect
pronunciation correcting me.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
La Worth laugh laughing. Prison town where they put Michael
vick O. What my dad said there.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like you're going to prison for Christmas, And I was like, no,
it's a Christmas town in Washington. It's like a Bavarian village.
It's supposed to be really nice and fancy, and like
it's just cute. It's like a cute little shopping town
where you can get your little cocoa and they have
kids that are sledding and everything is kind of Christmas.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
The the door shut that it is not what they
say because that doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Next thing, you know, and then you're going to the
mess hall and then you're the you're you're eyeing up
the person you're gonna make your bitch.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
You don't because so you don't get made to be
a bitch.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I was stealing diamonds and no one was the wiser.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And then I got a surprise invitation to leaven Worth,
Washington for Christmas, and they got me.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Now I'm right.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
It looked like a winter wonderland in that village whatever
you called.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
It, Bavarian village, that's what.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yes, but it looked pretty. You're a hiking and throwing
snowballs at each other.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yes, it's what else do you do when it dumps
like a foot and a half of snow On Christmas Day?
It was very you know, it's just like the type
of Christmas that you imagine in your head is the
kind of place. It was, Lots and lots of snow,
beautiful moun mountain landscapes. We went to a really beautiful forest.

(05:04):
And then I was telling Dan I always play a
game and kind of get like a sucked into it
every Christmas. And I tried to download a game and
I played through it, but I forgot the name of it.
And that's how this episode started. In case anyone was
like what's going on. It's like a cat or blob

(05:27):
based game. I say cats are kind of like blobs.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
No, yeah, I bought it because sometimes you'll play a
game the three years old. Sometimes you play games not
even out yet, and it never.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I bought it because it was on sale. It was
like three dollars on sale. Okay, no, because it might
not be on sale anything.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Is a tomb Raider four through six remastered? Intero Magnolia.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
All right, this is such a waste.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Wait is it just called Blobcat. It's not just called
Blobcare's a game on the shop, a cat platformer. It's
called Blobcat.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
But he's like white and red and there's a he's
got a bunch of different telescopes and stuff. It was
ten ten dollars now.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Is it? Anime? Girls Natty New Year? Anime Girls Nata
pult reloaded?

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Once the puzzles are complete, you can enjoy admiring the
girls in the gallery at your own time.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I believe Blobcat is actually a game that's so wild.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
There's a game called Blobcat on e shop and that's
not the game about the blobcat platformer that you played.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Is it fell Tails?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Pissed when you tell us the actual what is your
switch at? What's the percentage I had?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's downstairs.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
You need to tell someone to go get it. We'll
get it during the break because now I need to know.
It's like a.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, you'll be amazed. When I was on the sale page.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Shop, there's a lot of anime girls and kind of
spicy games on the Nintendo Shop, I was surprised, and
especially in the sales section.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Which is where I was out on Christmas.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Eve, how many of the games on sale were moderately
sixty percent off.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Right now is Love Furry Girls Zodiac dating app on
Nintendo Visha?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Wow, I'm gonna wait until that's full price. I got
to support the devs. Sure, yeah, yeah, damn. What's new
with you? Boy? I guess we had like the whole
holidays and New Year and everything, and it feels less.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's also been we had to record that last episode
earlier than usual because so it's been like three weeks
since we that's right.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
So I've been sitting on something that I found soon
after we recorded the last one. I've been waiting to look.
I don't throw the term hero around lightly, but I
will for myself in this instance here because Mike, we've
given you so much grief for your embarrassing about the
author that I dug up, and we've sold merch off
of it, and you've looked like.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
A damn it does look stupid.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I found, as I was a clear clearing up space
so on, like my drives and stuff, I found an
old screenshot of a forum from two thousand and two.
It was from a student filmmaking forum where were like
eight seven I would have been seventeen, probably going into
eighteen at that point for context.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
So younger than I was for the about the author,
but still.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, so so less embarrassing, but still I want to
go in the spirit of fairness, I want to put
this out because I was honestly in shock at how
much of a douchebag I am in this comment was
a shot.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
From a forum, but in that screenshot is a comment
you is my comment, yes, and called why you screenshoted it.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
It looked like it was a thing where it was
like two different like it looks like I tried to
type it up and then it like didn't go through,
and then I tried it again.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
It looks like I probably screenshot it to be.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Like, why isn't this posting or something so I can't
see the whole thing or anything, and it's like over
twenty years old. Okay, but I'm clearly responding to someone
who's like, I don't really understand cooperck In why Cooper is?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Oh my god? Would this be fun or if I
read it? Or can do you? I guess you think
guy should Okay, you read it.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do you think that he says anything about fight Club
in this?

Speaker 4 (09:08):
This would have I guess my club would have been
out a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Before, Little Dork.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, I think it's worse. It's worse.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
It's I don't think it's as bad as Mike's, but
it is bad enough to where I do want to
embarrass myself with this.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
All Right, here we go.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I keep in mind somebody before I had clearly said
something like, oh I don't really get Kubrick, I don't
really understand doctor Strange Love or why it's funny. Okay,
you have to really appreciate the subtleties of doctor Strange Love.
But then again, based on your previous posts, I bet
you're not even sure what the Cold War was.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's gonna get worse. Okay, okay, okay, there's should be
there are.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
There's so many things going on in Doctor Strange Love
that you obviously didn't even pick up on. The whole
movie is about Jack Ripper's essence and Cold War paranoia.
Notice the little things like how Jack subconsciously strokes his
phallic cigar symbolism. Symbolism, symbolism.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I'm getting a cold from this fucking comment.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, two thousand and one is genius. Clockwork is genius.
Nothing more to say there. Yes, his work may be
slow at times, but that's not a problem if you
have a decent attention span or a minute appreciation of
good film. Yeah, and a big finish. Now go see
Bad Boys Too or something. I'm sure you'd like that.
I heard they blow up something in it. Maybe a

(10:34):
car wreck too.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
This is the Fast and the Furious, fucking Officionado in
the making.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Oh yeah, week this person just an editor.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
This person. It sounds like you're responding to something cruel
that they said.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
So it sounds like somebody just being like, I don't
really understand the deal with Cooper. I don't really get
Doctor Strangelove. And then I probably went through their post
history and was like, oh, this person probably doesn't even
know the coldor which I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
There's so much effort to drop some of bomb on
someone who doesn't give a ship about you.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
A seventeen year old filmy in all of.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Your film history, and I love my favorite line and
all of that dribble was even in minutia of appreciation
for good film, like what is good mine?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Mine was appreciation good film.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Ciar no.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I literally said, symbolism, symbolism, symbolism. It's oh my, I
would go back in time and kick my own ass. Yeah,
you I that's different than the author bio.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
It is very different. This is like snobby, shitty forum guy. Yeah.
Mine was just embarrassingly like, uh, what would the word be?
I'm not sure. Was trying to like play up the nerdom.
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yours wasn't as like you were. Yours was harmless, nerdy stuff.
Mine was like, oh, this dude sucks me. But yeah, yeah,
uh hard in the other direction. I guess as I
got older, But I.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Think it was two weeks ago you texted me saying,
by the way, I found like in about the author
squ comment I made, and then you're like, I might
just save it for the show.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I was like, yeah, please do Yeah, it's it was
shocking to see that, So I'd love to.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Man, I wish I could, like, if we could do
time travel, it'd be such a good podcast. If I
could podcast with seventeen year old me. I wouldn't listen
to it, but I'm sure people wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I would know about I wouldn't. I don't think I would.
I would annoy my past self, would annoy the shit
out of current me.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Same.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I don't think I was ever that snobby about movies,
but I'm sure I said something similar at some point
when I thought I like understood the whole world and
every little nuance of it and had to like convey
to other people that I was smart and I got things.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm sure I was like that about something I wouldn't
the other direct.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
I used to be like I need to show people
I'm smart, and now it just turned into like I
need to seem very stupid.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know when that turn happened,
but at some point it did.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Do you think that it sounds like you wouldn't like
your seventeen year old self, but do you think your
seventeen year old self would like you.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I think I would be like, what the fuck happened
to this guy? I don't think I would just like
my thing. I just did he have a brain injury
or something like? But then I'd also be like, well, shit,
it seems like things went all right for him, so
maybe I shouldn't change anything.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
But uh, yeah, yeah, I think I think seventeen year
old me would like me, But I don't think I.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Think yeah, I would hate old Dan, would hate young
Dan more than young Dan would just like old Dan.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, that's like coming face to face.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know people talk about those random little things they
said back in like fourth grade that keeps them up
at night, coming face to face with all of those
in one package in the same room, arguing with you,
and it's arguing with you and like putting you down better,
Doctor Strangelove.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, I'm gonna go to seventeen year old me and
clockwork Orange, strap into a chair and make and watch
mcgover twenty times appreciate A symbolism.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Is a Cold War thing.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
They were good fucking guys, pretty.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Good fucking guys. It's a fucking asshole of a day.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Symbolism symbolism.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Not that happens when you're not a social kid is
you don't have anyone to check you and be like, hey,
you sound like an asshole.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, but you had sister, you should she should have
been so much younger.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
They were so much.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Younger, and they at least make fun of you.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean, we all made fun of each other, but
we all got alonger eight. You know.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I do think it has benefit toed Oh my god, sorry,
I do think it has benefited me that I have
four older siblings who constantly if I because the oldest
one is ten years older than me, so he was
going to college when I was in going into third grade,
so he would frequently not not like bully me, but

(14:48):
you know, like the the annoying shit that teenagers say
or you know, like tweet preteen so to call he
would be like, dude, no, like, trust me, you're not
gonna I mean, I my brother is talking to me.
Keep in mind it's my brain. Others would often phrase
it as girls are not gonna like this when you're older, dude,
like you got that, and that would be like.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Okay, good, thank you good. Note about the author see
if girls like this.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, where was Where was Pat Maharty when I was
writing that about the author? Damn could have fucking called
me a homophobic slur when I needed it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
You could have gotten so much more puss if he was.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
There, Dude, I got the guy I could. I'd be
swimming in puss if if he was there. No, no, man,
it's a couple more Tolkien references.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Know you know your ship, he's like, preferably the bridge
from stairway. But then go deep cut go go like
do your maker show them you've been there, deer maker.
It's like deer maker maker said dear maker. Oh sorry,
I can't speak French.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Mister.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
I go to France seventeen times a year with my
special France luggage.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Went twice. I don't have special France. You have special
luggage that holds wine bottles. No, it's a normal I
just pack it full of I have sleeves, bubblo. Oh
you you got special blind inserts for your leggage.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Okay, you can't have that ship break and through thirty
thousand feet up baby, Otherwise is going to be rain
and Burgundy on Spain.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I think seventeen year old you would kick your ass.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
There's part of me that seventeen year old wol not like,
let's get all our seventeen year old self together and
kick current Mike's ass.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Let's bring all seventeen year olds of each of us
to the present, like make them watch the inauguration and
then kick their ass.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Wow, it just seem I don't know, it seems like
a historical future moment for them. I see.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, my seventeen year old self would not be involved
in any of this. They would be like, where can
I get high?

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Mine would be calling the cops on you forgetting it.
I knew it would each other. We would not have
been friends at all. What I've been doing seventeen I was.
I cared a lot about lacrosse. Okay, yeah, checks out
that I wouldn't like that you were so I would
have thought you were a jock and Mary was a delinquent,

(17:07):
and we would not have got along, none.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Of us speaking completely actually, Like, honestly, I was definitely
there were certain days when I was a jock. There's
certain days when I like, was, you know, hanging out
my friends I played video games with? Did Halo system
links on three different floors of our house or I
didn't have three floors in my house, two different floors
in my house. Then there are other days where I'd
be hanging out with like the stoners, and it wasn't
like if I was with the jocks, I would bully

(17:28):
the other ones.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
I would actually I'm not saying this to brag.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
My point being I almost used to feel like I
was cheating and not being I wasn't being like an
actual I didn't have an actual personality because I hung
out with so many different groups.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I thought, sure, I was like I should have picked
one at some point. This just feels like I'm faking.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, you're dabbling. You're allowed to dabble as a kid.
I feel like we're I think this is very American
high school.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I've heard.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, now I'm all in on Jock maar and I
push up contests about America punch nerds when I see
them on the street. No, I was gonna say, like,
I think that it's very American youth to have in
our movies like American Pie and things like that, to
be like, oh, the jocks don't hang out with the uh,
you know, sure with the nerds and the there's like

(18:15):
obviously like the computer club, and then there's the people
who like to sing.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But anyway, like, I don't think that's actually the case globally.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think that's something like we've created for ourselves and
then have kind of stuck ourselves in and said which
group am I in?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And she's like, you don't have to be in any
of them?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Like like in high school, like I didn't like party
or socialize or anything, but like I got along with
and I got like everyone from you know, jocks, to
music nerds, to theater people to anime doors to you know,
like all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I got along with everyone. You hung out with the
anime doorgs. I'm sure they appreciate you calling them that
when you hung out with them.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Look at us, Hello, anime doors.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
No, I think I think I would hang out with
people that like j RPGs and then make fun of
them because I saw them as lesser nerds than me,
and I was like the jock nerd by comparison, because
I played cool, military.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Stuffy school.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Actually, there were a couple of anime nerds in my school,
and I think I was probably wary of them and
didn't hang out with them, didn't understand them. No, no,
I'm probably just getting ready to call the cops on
I think.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Now if we if we're closest to any of those
archetypal clicks, we're probably the A V Club.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean that. Yeah, I did that video production
class and everything right now, Like if us as a
group had to pick one like Jake as well, especially
were the club, I could see that. Yeah, former Joe,
cool place to land. Former former I don't know what
Mary would be.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I'd still be in the delin gym, delinquent gymnast at
right now.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
The balance beam I had.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I had a bit of a duality in high school too,
where I was like do half doing chasing drugs and
half gymnastics. And so I was like I was on
when I was on, and then when I didn't need
to be an athlete, I was chrying to score.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
We contain multitudes. I just came up. I just came sorry.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I was my own phrase. You can quote me
in the future when you say that, say it was
my body.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I will not.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
I don't know if I've told you the blue smoke story.
Stop me if I have.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
But I was in sixth grade and no, I was
in sixth grade and I was walking around the neighborhood
and I was terrified as seventh graders because they were
in junior high so they were older, and they went
to a different school. And one of them rode his
bike up like my cul de sac or something and
was smoking something and he's like, hey, do you want
to hit? And I was like no, and I went
and I like ran to my mom and I was like, Mom,

(20:33):
we have to call the cops right now. And she's like, what,
I just saw one of the seventh graders smoking weed
in the outside, just in the could de Sac.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
He showed it and she's like, you sure it was drugs? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Mom, it had blue smoke. I saw like there was
blue smoke coming out of it. There's stick in his
mouth that blue smoke. It was definitely drugs. Well, we
need to call nine one one. And she was just
like my mom was never like a real drug purson
or anything like that. She's like, it's fine, it's some
teenagers smoking weeds.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like pretty fine, it's from Did you.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I went to Dare Camp?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh, fun loser.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I definitely would have not liked you. Well listen, Dare Camp.
I didn't go there.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I want a contest to go to DARE Camp, and
that means you just go to a bunch of like
dang parks and camps and a bunch.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Of cops, like calling nine one one the most in
your class.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
They just put a they put a line of coke
on a table in front of thirty people and anybody
who doesn't.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
No everyone, and I think was entered, and everybody did
want to go because it was like you got to
go to Worlds of Fun, which is like our six flags,
and you got to go to like a camp and
there was like a bunch of like fun stuff and
then they teach you a bunch of like anti drug
stuff and it's with a bunch of cops and everything.
But yeah, I went to DARE camp during a summer
and I was all in on the messaging that was
you know, I will call those.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Obviously were like number one pig. I'm just like so
blown away by like your aversion to drugs to this
degree that you're like constantly walking around hitting nine to
one on your phone and waiting for another reason to
hit the final one.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Meanwhile, locked and loaded.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Meanwhile, in twenty twenty five, literally three hours ago, I
was having a conversation with a weed company about doing
a partnership.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
A local well, well, well a couple of dollars around
and he's no, not even dollars.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I just went free weed. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
I was gonna say, Dan doesn't need money, No, just
give you your free shit and I'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
What it was a turning point like college, we.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Deal it would be so killer.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
No college.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Actually, well, okay, it started to turn better, like leading
up to college, because I started hanging out more with
people and I started drinking a little bit. But then
I did mushrooms the first time. I had my first
like like I had a really bad panic attack. Then
I did mushrooms again, I had a really bad panic attack,
and then I did Morning Glory seeds, had a really
bad panic attack and swore off. Like I thought I
was losing my mind. For like months, I was like

(22:49):
had this like mental break almost where I was like
physically sick for like several months with like crazy flu symptoms.
I thought I was going crazy. And all this time
it was like, honestly a really rough spots, like senior
year of high school. So this would have been like
first semester of college is when I know all the
mushrooms was that summer before college, but yeah, and so like,
I was so scared of that, and I was convinced
that I like broke my brain with the mushrooms and stuff.

(23:10):
So I became very like I didn't I was past
the point of judging anyone for pot. Like all I
was in the art storm, everyone smoked pot copiously.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I just drank, but.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, I was just really all my friends smoked all
the time. I could have had weed all through college,
but I just was scared of it, honestly, so to
the point where it's like I would have dental procedures done,
like I had my wizard teeth stuff done without pain
meds because I didn't want to feel high.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
So do you think it was connected to your anxiety
that you were basically like, I'm going to get out
of control because your anxiety made you nervous.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
A thousand percent?

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I thought I was going crazy, And I was like,
what if I just got you hear these stories like
somebody you know did acid and jumped off a balcony
or something like that. Shit scared me so much. And
then it wasn't until San Francisco when I moved there
and I was like, oh shit, I can just get
this card. I have a very valid reason with anxiety
and stuff like that, and I can look up strains
and I can buy it. No, it's not coming from
like a shady place or anything. And I started to
kind of get into that a little bit. Actually, I

(24:06):
like this, This isn't that bad. I've had ups and
downs with it since then, as far as like I
have periods where it makes me more anxious and periods
where I'm more curious about it. I think I'm right
now in a spot where it's like I do want
to start having it more. I've been having weed selters
with movies with punk instead of like drinking, and because
I'm doing kind of like a dryish like January thing,
but I'm having a weed.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Try January with an asterisk.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, I know, we try, right, Yeah, everybody knows that
if you're sober, you're allowed to smoke.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
But yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing. That's what all
the sober kids do. But yeah, so I'm I. I
was anti weed as a narc kid, I was scared
of weed as a college student, and I've been very
curious about weed as an adult and looking for.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Ways to, you know, help with like anxiety and stuff to.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Find your dosage.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I think like a lot of the times, because I
also ran really anxious as a kid, and I also
had a panic attack from do doing too many mushrooms.
Used to be really careful with like how much of
that stuff you're putting in your body when you're hyperactive
and mentally all over the place. Like I freaked out once,
and I kind of learned the hard way. I am

(25:13):
very particular about my dosage.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I also did, so I had such a different path
than you, Dan. I think I was smoking weed when
I was like thirteen. I was a fucking bad I
was a bad kid, and I was like.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
A team up your ass so quick.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
My my mother is a saint, and I would have
stabbed you on site.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
And I was.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
She was just put up with a lot of my shit,
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like my mom loved me unconditionally and would constantly be
like she's out there doing the drugs again, and she
would come find me and I would, you know, and
I would just go do it again.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I was the worst.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
But in college I felt like I was quite a
seasoned vet by then, Like I had already done a
lot of drugs. By then, I had already done most
of the things that you're not supposed to do, and
so I thought I was like way cooler than everybody
else was like doing their first drug and I was like,
oh are you? And I'll never forget like the first

(26:10):
time though, that I tried a volcano, which is like
where you have those like vaporizers, and they put it
such like PURETHC in a bag and I.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Was like, let me show you, bitches how it's done.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
And I took like the biggest rip I could off
of this bag because I smoked pot a lot, and
I felt like I could hang and I absolutely got
annihilated from this bag and I didn't remember where my
dorm was and I needed help and I needed I
needed like to process. I felt really unsafe, and they

(26:44):
had these you know, they have those phones in colleges
in case you need to call security, because yeah, in
case something like really bad happens. And I remember just
like hanging out by one of those phones just because
I was like, I'm so fucking high. If anyone comes
up to me, I'm grabbing this phone because I'm freaked out.
And then I eventually it just like uh, it just
kind of worked out and I and I got over it.
But it's the thing about it is is like you

(27:07):
and I are actually quite similar. I also run high
anxiety and needed to find the right dosage, and if
I went too hard, I had the worst time. So
I have learned from that and in my years now,
I really like everything prepackaged. I'm quite a gummy person
now because I'm like, that's my dosage and if I
do that, then I'm not gonna overdo it.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm not gonna freak out.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, same like the Seltzers. Like you know, I'll have like,
you know, five ten milligrams, and I know I'm good
and I know it's not gonna last for hours and hours.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I can slowly sip it during a movie.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
But like I do think I can actually like kind
of help in a way, like those scary moments, because
I never had a panic attack or knew what anxiety
was until I did mushrooms the first time. That would
been summer of two thousand and two. Well no, but honestly,
I wouldn't change anything, because, like I thought, it was like,
oh that was just you know, because I was high,
and then I did the mushrooms it was like, oh, yeah,
I've had a bad experience because I was tripping. And

(27:57):
then the first like panic attack I had sober was
seeing I think it was Lord of the Ring's Two Towers. No,
it's gangs in New York. Gangs in New York like
run New Year's and I was like, felt that feeling
my chest, thought I was gonna die. I had to
like sit in the bathroom and just freak out, and
I was like, what the fuck is happening? And that's
when I was like, oh, I broke my brain because
I could explain it before because I felt that way
because I was tripping, and this is like something I'm

(28:18):
so cold, sober right now, What the fuck is this?
And that led to me learning about what anxiety was
and panic attacks and like starting to get help with it.
So ultimately I obviously had some underlying shit that I
think that the mushroom was probably just like hey, buddy,
you should probably be working on this a little bit,
so I wouldn't change anything.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
My first time on mushrooms, I found a stick and
said that I invented trees, and I kept trying to
stick it in the ground and being like tree invented well,
I think I was trying to say planted, but like
in my head, I was like, look at me inventing trees.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I thought I come to bush.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I thought I invented World War Two, and I felt
really guilty about it. I was like thinking about like
montage of World War Two, like d DA footage.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Why did That's horrible? Why did I do that? I
do that? Yeah? And then yeah, jump cut to fucking
fifteen years later and you're saying, I want you to
cream your jeans on Normandy Beach. You have changed.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, they are crazy, and I think it's insane that
we have that we all have, like these very consistent
stories of all trying them, like they're all kind of
prevalent in society.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
No, no thirteen year old on my watch should ever
be doing drugs.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm such a fortunate little idiot that I was able
to get away with as much as I got away with.
But what I will say to I think I might
have said this before, but like what I will say
is like my sister never touched anything, and then college
she freaked out because she like had never been able
to do any of that bad stuff, and then she
did it all at once and kind of like lost

(29:55):
lost it a little bit because I was so seasoned
by the time I had gotten to colle I was like,
no big deal. And I actually think it actually made
me better in college. Like I had really good GPA
in college. People, Oh wow, I had learned to solve
doing bad stuff and getting my shit done.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I had it all worked out.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Oh see.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
I was the flip of that, because like I didn't
ever party or drink or anything. And then I go
to college and were like, hey, let's kicks ass and
I like being social and everyone thinks I'm funny.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
And then I would just like go out and drink
all the times.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Like I would come back with crazy stories, whacky d
and got drunk and did some crazy and like I
just went super hard on just like I'm never going
to class. I'm just going to drink and party and
have crazy stories. And I didn't get any of that
out of my system in high school. I waited to college.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So yeah, yeah, I generally did much much better in college.
Like I hit college and all of a sudden it
made sense. My parents were kind of they're very different
than they are now, but they were pretty strict when
I was younger. So I was definitely like a bit
more sheltered until I wasn't at a certain point in
high school.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
But I was also sick all the time.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
So by the time I got the college, just all
of a sudden, I think the freedom actually worked really
well for me, And then from there on I actually
started doing really well with classes in school and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
But I sucked in school before college. I think I had.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
I really think I might be historically the worst student
that has a college degree in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
I don't think anyone could have gone to less class
or given less of a shit or weasel out of
so many fucking things. I cannot imagine anyone actually graduated
and it was as bad of a student as I was.
There's no GPA like bare minimum. Yeah, I did a
lot of pass fail stuff. I uh yeah, I mean
I would just shoot for a D and even that, like,

(31:39):
I mean most of them. I just like talked to
teacher like I wouldn't go to class.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
For the whole graduating GPA.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Do you know, I think I was in like the
two's or something. But I literally.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Literally though I would like not go to any I
would not go to any classes for the whole semester,
and then I would get like i'd get a thing
be like hey, you're going to get an f and
I walk in and talk to the teacher and be like, hey,
I know supposed to allo film classes, but I was
making this sketch show instead, So it's not like I
wasn't doing film stuff and you just give me straight
a's why that was like I got twos GPAs even
with many semesters of teachers just being like, yeah, we'll

(32:11):
give you straight a's.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
It's fine even though I did not step foot in
the class.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
And you wonder why people call you like lucky. It's
not luck, I know. I mean it's like a speech.
Yeah yeah, yeah, why.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's a combination and like white Man, just I did terry,
I did other stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Like this outrage. I've been making a thing.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
I like I had stuff to show. I was like, hey,
take a look at this. Like I was doing all
of this video production work. It wasn't to a syllabus
or your class, but like I was learning a lot
on my own.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
You do the job, do what every other stupid kid
in this class did and paid a lot of money for.
You don't deserve it.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
If I was your teacher, I would have been highest
ship and I would have failed your asses.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
One of them gave me an AD for that class
I never showed up for, and then told me to
sign up for all of his classes next semester.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
And he was gonna give me straight as for all
of those what and he did it. Seems like he's
a bad professor. I loved him, so I'm not gonna
let me see what he's doing. I love that guy. Probably.
Oh yeah, he's got a page there, all right, yep,
that's that's my guy.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Bel You remember his name?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I does that? Okay, Wait, let's like, let's let's do
guess who with Does he have red hair? I'm not
saying nothing. Here's my guy. Yep. Well, one of my
teachers won a fucking Oscar.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Well, this's okay, I'm fine saying this guy's name because
he was not one of the ones that let me
he was uh yeah, yeah, this is Kevin Wilmot.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
He was hit one of the writers on Black Clansmen.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
He was fascinating to do. He used to do voiceover
stuff for my sketch show and stuff like.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
He was awesome. But yeah, Oscar winning guy now, and
he was one of my dudes back then. But I
loved all those teachers. They were they liked to be.
They talked me about in the newspaper.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
What did they say about you in the newspaper.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
One of the quotes was, I thought it was funny
is that he he makes films the way other students
go to parties.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
And I remember reading that and being like, eh, I
also go to parties a lot. So they thought, I
don't get all the time they think like the energy
of your films or you thought, I think the enthusiasm
for making stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Oh yeah, Because it was like I was on the
cover of the paper for like my sketch show and
videos and stuff, and like they interviewed my teachers.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
My teachers are like raving about me.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh yeah, you're nothing if not enthusiastic. Yeah yeah, So
I think that got me pretty far with it.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Phansiastic's a good way to frame it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I worked pretty hard, especially when I got back to
Syracuse journalism school.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I was I worked hard at that. Well, that was
the hardest thing. Uh, there was what Because I was
a transfer I transferred one two four times in college.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Technically to different colleges. Or like departments, no colleges, universities.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
But when I got to Syracuse for journalist school, a
lot of the like tough journalism classes coincided because I
had transferred to everything all my other electives and American
history things. So by the time I got to that
last two years at Syracuse, like all right, take your
reporting two hundred class, your feature writing three hundred class,
your crime reporting class. So I was just like basically

(35:18):
out in Syracuse every day. I was just a reporter
for two years, which is why I loved it. I
wasn't I didn't feel like I was in school. I
was a reporter. And then I would come back to
the classroom and some like world class editors who are
now professors were editing my stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Those great were how old were you twenty?

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Were you picture yourself as like some hard nose detective
from an Elmore Leonard book or something like shoes Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Like a gum shooting reporter to you, Oh dude, I
walked around with like a hat tipped over my face.
I smoked. I like would pick up a cigar butt
off the street, like cigarettes. This just got interesting.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
The bubble pipe, you just walk a walk onto crime
scenes with my trench coat, like who the fuck are you?
It was like, it's gonna be real hard for you
to solve this crime when the perps don't have faces,
and then at least and right up to take up
with that guy I don't know, and then they see
the story in the newspaper the next morning, like he
got none of the facts right, he didn't ask us

(36:15):
a single question.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Uh yeah, no it was Uh college is a fun time, yeah,
but it was also yeah I did not I went
to class most of it. Sucker.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, we really did, like like ships in the night,
seventeen year old me and you and then college me
and you.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
We're on a similar wavelength now.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
But that's the thing I think we all met with
every story we tell about our past, I feel like
we all became friends at the exact right time. Or
it's like I think if we would have gone much earlier,
we would have been too different to get along.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well you know, yeah, I think that's very true.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And I think we are allowed to have so many
evolutions as people, and we are just so different than
the seventeen year old version or the twenty seven year
old version. And when we hang out as fifty seven
year old people, we will be like, ugh, you guys
were so stupid, Like we're we're just gonna continuously change.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
But I loved every evolution. I've loved that I've been
able to have it.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know, I don't want to be the same person
with the same likes ten years ago. I love that
I have a completely different vibe now.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, I think that's natural and healthy.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
I love my dad always says, when you turn thirty,
everything's locked in and you're just that person for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
No, it's it's not.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's fifty.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Genuinely, I think there's something around fifty that makes people
be like I refuse to learn anymore.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
I don't have society about lot about worn out.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I'm like fifty is.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Like, there's something about the fifty number where you're just like,
I'm set in my ways.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You can't make me check.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I think my parents were like fifty five sixty, and
I have noticed then that they've just like, all right,
they seem comfortable with.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Who and what, and you know why, then like you're done,
you're cooked, you are you are complete, you are a
complete package deal, and you will not change for.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Anyone it's just really roast me till I'm dead.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
I can't fifty year old Mike is gonna be the
biggest asshole in the world.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Oh, dude, I can't wait till I have like long
gray locks and I'm just all I talk about is
wine and probably cigars by that point.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
I don't really love cigars, but I'll probably get into them.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
You're gonna be older, I have more money, more refined tastes.
You're gonna be yeah, like it's gonna be insufferable.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, but I'm gonna be hot as ship's gonna be
a dilf. No, I'm not gonna be a dad, but
like similar age, fly the boken once a year and
punch you in the face.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's gonna be slid for they're like hot rod, but
you're not my son. I don't have cancer. It'll be great.
I think we'll be friends more fifty Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Good moments back then in the future.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
I hope sixteen years. I don't know how long I
have to live. I'm fifty. Oh, that's a very.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Specific you knew you were only going to live until
fifty That would completely alter the trajectory of how I
lived my life. Yeah, if I only lived until fifty,
I would quit my job to day I would be
done and I would just start doing something else that
I like feel enthused about.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I would you know what I would do if I
was like several weeks from no, the day before I
knew I was gonna die, I'd kill somebody that deserved it.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I didn't deserve it. I don't know. I just want
to experience it once. Like, Oh, so many names just
came to mind. I'm not going to say any of them,
but I could probably guess all of that. You've seen
the list. Yeah. No, I wouldn't kill anybody. I'd embrace
somebody in that time.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Do they have red hair?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
No? It would be like a doctor situation. Not doctor
who's the dude is? Who's Who's the guy that killed
his patients? Who wanted it? Ndork? I just said doctor Schovago.
I'd be like doctor Moreau, Like doctor Moreau, doctor Yeah,
doctor Caligari's cabinet. Who's your favorite evil doctor? Oh?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Actually, this speaking of I think I told you guys
we got the uh complete Bond Blu Ray collection. Oh yeah,
it was incredible, so, uh, just I guess I'll I'll
kind of do some quick recaps as we get through
the series. We are on The Spy Who Loved Me,
which is Roger Moore's third movie. I believe Roger Moore's era.

(40:49):
I think Timothy Dalton gets even.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
More campy camp He had like two movies, right, yeah, yeah,
like one yeah, Dollons, Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That sounds right, because I think Roger Moore's last one
was Moonraker, which is supposed to be very bad, sure
because they were trying to capitalize on Star Wars, but yeah,
it's it's Sean Connery for four of them, and then
he left. George Lasenby came in for On Her Majesty's
Secret Service, and then Connery came back for Diamonds Are Forever,
which I hated.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
What was he would Never Say Never Again? It was like,
that's not a real Bond movie, right, But he once
said he would never play Bond again, and then they
made a movie called Never Say Never Again and it
was basically him playing Bond or something.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I didn't see that, but I some of these movies,
I mean, all the movies are fascinating to watch. Some
of them, like we're ranking them. Let me quick give
my ranking quick to date. As you can imagine, a
lot of women get punched and killed and thrown off
the script like nothing yeah and so oh yeah, every
woman immediately falls in love with him a couple times

(41:53):
when it didn't seem consensual until it was. I guess,
but okay, here's a surprise. Really really liked Thunderball, and
I'll tell you why. There is a sequence in that
movie that is one of the coolest set pieces I've
seen in like movies modern or old, involving how they
steal two nukes off of this fighter jet once it

(42:13):
goes underwater, and then they camouflage it and do all
this shit. It's like but there's no lines of cheesy
dialogue for like fifteen minutes while they're doing it. It
reminded me of a Cohen Brothers movie in that I
understand exactly what they're doing the whole time, and they're
just conveying it through action and still shots.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
From Russia Wood Love. I liked that's number two. Goldfinger
was three. I think a lot of people put those up.
Top Man with the Golden Gun.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
I like it is Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
From Russiwood Love and Goldfinger I think are the two
iconic older ones. But Man with the Golden Gun with
Christopher Lee, very young Christopher Lee. It took me off
Watching all these movies catches me off guard at like
Jane Seymour when she's extremely young. That movie Roger Morre's
first movie. That was super weird and I think pretty racist.
A lot of them probably are, oh yeah, this was

(43:01):
Livin Let Die. But it's like a lot of New
Orleans Voody culture.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
And sanity and everything.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
It's so weird. I haven't seen any of the Connery
or more. I've only seen like the Craig and Brosnen ones.
And for some reason, I know like a lot about
bond Well gold Golden Gold for that. Yeah, which one
was I just talking about this guy who loved Me?
Were like three quarters the way through. We didn't finish
last night, but that's when Jaws comes in, but they
are in Cairo. I was like, oh, I get why
he was in the Egypt Bonus mission now because it

(43:26):
was that's where he was the movie. Odd job is
in the in Goldfinger, which is pretty early on. I
think that's the third movie. But there are other ones
like diamonds are forever. I cannot stand. I don't think
you put you only live twice on here? Well, so
diamonds forever was the last Connery one, right, No, diamonds

(43:49):
are forever?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Is that what you said? Yeah? Yes, yes, so I
looked it up.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Never said never again? Was Connery coming back to play
Bond after? This is nineteen eighty three? So Conye comes
back for one more and it's based on Thunderball, but
it's a Bond movie. It is an actual Bond movie.
Sean Connery is playing James Bond in nineteen eighty three. Oh,
there's a lot of references to him aging and being
past his prime. He's fifty two in it. But yeah,
Conrie comes back for one post or like mid More,

(44:15):
I think, And what's it called? Uh, never say never again?
Because he said he would never again play Bond.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
What year was it? Nineteen eighty three? So no, that
wouldn't have been that would have been like Dalton era,
not that.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Maybe late More era. Oh okay, or like into Dalton.
Sounds like he was actually younger than More. I like
Roger Mora a bunch.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I think he's actually my favorite early Bond George Lazenbye
was not bad, but that movie was super weird. On
Her Majesty's Secret Service, It's like a bunch of women
are brought to this Alpine mental institution and then brainwashed
to be sleeper cells and bring like deadly viruses out
to all the major countries.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Sounds like an Austin Powers plot.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Very strange.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Watching these movies is like watching an action movie that
mcgruber makes fun of that I haven't seen, Like, oh,
now I get what mcgroober was riffing. Oh sure that's
what or any like mel Brooks movie and like, oh,
I get the reference now. And Lasmby puts the Cellery
in his ass that yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Symbolism, symbolisms, symbolism.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, but I'll keep you updated. It's it's been pretty fun.
There's some really fucking good sellery.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Are the American people?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Oh my god? What's I thought you were gonna do?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
The government?

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Oh? Oh wow? Okay, yeah, symbolism, symbolism.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Of what a good film is.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
You would know that The Cellary is all about fighting
the government because you're in their asshole.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It's it's more, it's more the it's more the lack
of truth in a in a No, it's it's a
lack of pride in the post truth.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Era, as American Dream writ large. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
What is it about the Internet that makes that everyone's
first instinct? I remember like nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven,
I showed my dad AOL chat for the first time,
and I was like, we went into a music chat
room because I knew we like talking to music.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And I was like, watch, Dad, these are all people
typing all over the world.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
They're all talking about music right now, and you can
just talk to them. And they were talking about you
two at the time. And he just went in there
and the first thing my dad ever typed on the
Internet was you two has sucked since Joshua Tree.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Why is that everyone's brain immediately clicks.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Into like no, fuck you, yeah, gottam I like anonymity,
I get call you out yeah again, And then everybody
perceives everything is combative because they there's no body language,
and then there's the.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Way to read tone, and it's just like a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah yeah, I still find myself reading, like for my
day job, reading Google chat messages, like I think, are
they being an asshole?

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
They're not. They're all wonderful people, but I just my
brain sees that.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, but luckily we have evolved past aol chat and
have a wonderful podcast.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
Oh yeah about video games now as adults who know
how to speak with respect to each other. Yeah, and
don't call nine one one.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I'm anymore. I'm not a nark anymore. I love drugs. Hey,
do you guys have any drugs?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
I can buy from you? And you can send them
across state lines. I'll call I'll call my buddy Rex.
Oh yeah, okay, if you can send me a picture
of his driver's license all it, make sure the right
people see it.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yep, his name's Rex. He lives at three four six
three Highland fuck you Boulevard.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
My neighbor is a cop. I should have started sprinting
over his house all time, like banging on the dormant.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I know someone that's got drugs ilegally.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
He would like that guy, are you on duty right now?
Can you be?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
He opens the door. He's got nothing but a robe
and a boner and cocaine and a gus. Get your gun,
your gun. That'd be a fun bit. I should start
doing that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Go get your gun, where is it?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
But you know the things you can put quarters in
to like look at the statue of Liberty from the
from the Hart, right, Yeah, you should put like a
bunch of those on your rooftop so you could spy
on people to see if they're doing drugs in your neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Oh, that'd be a good idea. Someone's mowing their lawn
and they look up on your roof and see. My
grandma used to fucking do that.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
My grandma used to take me to the park because
she thought that people that were going into the woods
and the trails were selling drugs, and so she would
just like, get me McDonald's. We would drive to the
parking lot and she would just sit there and watch
the trail entrance and be like if she saw someone
that you thought was like, well, they're probably selling drugs,
she would call the cops.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Is it? Like?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
What is I feel like people start owning property and
just feel the need to protect their neighborhood and their house,
like that's to get off my lawn archetype kind of
This is like going out of your way to try
to Like park wasn't near her house.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I mean it was in the same County.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Oh okay, I gotcha. I thought he was saying, not
that it would have been cool if it was her
backyard or whatever.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
She's going to Yellowstone Trunk get Yeah, she's at tables.
Is that? Is that a park? Tables? I didn't get
the reference at all. I was just gonna pretend no, No,
isn't that In Utah? There's a national park called like
tables or some furniture. I know, the furniture like chairs.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Her job is tables.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Wait, tables National Park. Okay, it's not popping up.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
So no.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Tables the name of the game. Mary was trying to
think of table National Park.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
If we're doing this podcast in thirty years, it's just
gonna be us forgetting things and trying to google it
National Park.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
We're actually gonna be replaced by AI, and then high
versions of us are just gonna be farting and talking
about what we think life is gonna be.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Like I'd listen to that. It was arches. Ah, yeah,
my favorite furniture, tables. Oh you don't have any arches
in your house? You fucking pleab? Is it plaid' pleab?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I think you guys want to have about video games?

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Oh yeah, go get your switch. I need to know,
go get it.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Okay, Dan, I feel like this is gonna piss me off.
Why are you playing Red Dead two?

Speaker 5 (50:25):
I don't think it's gonna piss you off, actually, and
I think it's coming from the right spot.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
I think it's coming from Yeah. Yeah, I did decide that.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
I was looking at like the release calendar this month
and I was like, that's kind of like actually a
little lighter right now, like I want to play that
Donkey Kong Country game that's getting rereleased. But outside of that,
I got some time for the first time in forever,
and I thought, maybe now's the time Red Dead two
is on PC. It's been fucking seven years since it
came out. Let's give it another reappraisal, because like, I
really liked the turn I was able to make with

(51:03):
that stranding where I like met it on its own
terms and came back to it and took my time
with it and wasn't rushing it pre released to talk
about on a podcast, And so I installed it. I
thought about installing mods and stuff or like saves they
get you past the beginning and everything, and I was
looking over up like fast animation mods and stuff, and
I just decided, like, no, let's play the game as intended.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
And first of all, playing it on PC. Holy shit,
at one hundred and twenty free a second and four
K that fucking game, which is seven years old, is
almost almost seven. It was October twenty seven, eighteen. Yeah,
twenty eighteen twenty. I know we're early, but whatever. Yeah,
it is maybe the most impressive game visually I've ever seen.

(51:43):
It's just incredible, and like the little details and stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
You know, light when you're riding through the planes at
the right time, and moonlight's coming through the pine trees.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Oh yeah, god, you're you're starting, You're in the snow
and you walk out there and I would just watch
Arthur's hat and jacket and watch like the snow accumulate,
and like walk by fires and stuff and see it
melts when I go inside, and just like it's crazy
fucking details that are just it's done. Horse prints, footprints,
It's it's impossible. Even back then when I first played it,
and I just ranted against it all the time, I

(52:12):
never denied that it was a stunning and even like
I like the story back then, I thought, you know,
visually there were a lot of things I liked about
it back then. I just couldn't get past the slow animations,
the kind of like laborious pace of like always having
to ride and ride and talk and ride all the
way back to the camp and listen to this Dutch conversation.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
And I think now that I don't have this huge
expectation going in conversation, like conversations on horseback, like when
you're like constantly having.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Like it's a lot of well Dutches, you know what
he's doing, you know, like that stuff. Dutch Dutch is the.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Get the character. I thought you meant like a Dutch Oven.
Oh no, I think I forgot the name of the character.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I didn't do that mod the Dutch Oven mod. No,
you up into the gang, mem and you can't get
him on under one big blake.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
All right. Now, here's where I'm gonna hear a weird
noise and smell a weird smell. But don't worry, it's funny.
I'm gonna trust me. We're going to call it the
American stove I learned listen to and bring it to America.
Mister Morgan, I don't think American stove is sticky enough,

(53:24):
you got anything else? How about finish pop? No, I
still don't think so, mister Morgan. Okay, okay, how about
and this is the one Scandinavian li crusade. I don't,

(53:45):
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I don't think I'm gonna tried to Arthur before, Jake
Deer Arthur Morgan, you should have him do that, Joe,
because I had. I was wondering how long you would go?
But just like uninterrupted, Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I haven't
done Arthur before. But so, oh wait, but how far
are you? I'm like three hours in maybe, I mean
it still feels like on a tutorial ist if I'm leaving,

(54:06):
like the snowy mountains and stuff.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
So did you get out of the mountains? I mean
I did this stuff.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Where it's like there's the big shootout and I grabbed
the odriscold guy and tied him up and brought him
with a camp and learned how to hunt and all
that stuff, and so like, yeah, removed from the expectation
and also going in bracing for like listen, when I
try to grab that canna beans, Arthur is gonna take
his sweet fucking time with it. And I'm ready for it,
and I'm also trying it in first person, which has

(54:31):
been interesting. I don't know if I'm gonna stick with
that or if I'm even gonna stick with the whole game.
But the thing is, I am actually liking it a
lot more right now, and I'm looking forward to playing
more of it. It's just it does have that rock
Star just undeniable style to it. Just a yeah, cinema,
you know, it's a cinema A major I talk about
the symbolism. Yeah, no, it's even like the shootouts and

(54:54):
stuff like just it's the way, like when it decides
to cut to someone, you know, getting their death shot
or whatever, the way the music goes, and everything, like
the conversation system of just hitting L two and talking
to people, and there's just a million little interactions and
stuff that you can do, and it's it's fascinating to play.
I will say it is still annoying me at times
where I don't know if this is just an early
game thing, but it locks the save game thing. So

(55:16):
it's like FONK and I ordered food and we were
gonna like watch a movie last night, and I'm just like, okay, cool,
I'll just save and it's a video game. I'll save
my game and then when the food gets here, and
then we'll watch a movie. And I was like in
the middle of a mission and it locked the save
thing and I looked at the auto save and the
last auto save was like forty minutes ago. So it
made me do this whole fucking mission, the one where
you blow up the train, you rob the train and

(55:36):
all that stuff, and then I was like, all right, fine,
let's get through this finish talking. Okay, let's go, let's go,
let's go, and then it made me do another thing,
and then it went right into another mission and cut scene.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I still can't save the fucking game.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
And I looked and the auto save at this point
was like an hour old, and it's like, listen to Rockstar.
I know you're all rightfully, very proud of this piece
of art you made, but it's still a fucking video game.
And I sometimes need to save the game and fucking
walk away from it, and it's just like, oh no,
we can't have them save here.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
It's like they got to make all this all has
to be on one sitting.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
It's like, you know, they've sniffed their own farts quite
a bit over there, and it's understandably they're doing like
some of the most industry defining shit ever. But sometimes
you gotta see if your game and fucking stop playing
and like that little shit is bothering me, and just
like you know, all those rides after every mission where
it's like, okay, I'm just I have to hold a
to like match the speed of the horses, even though

(56:27):
I'd love to just set my controller down and just
watch this conversation play out, and I have to like
pretend like I'm interacting with it for a long time,
Like those things are still like I see why it
really pissed me off and surprised me back then, but
expecting it more this time has taken the edge off
a little bit of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
So I do intend to keep going.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I don't know if I'm gonna finish it or not,
but I think once it opens up, I think, if
I'm liking it already this much and it's still kind
of early snowy mountain stuff, I think there's a chance
I could come around on this.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, because you'll the game really click to of me
when you're leaving the camp outside Valentine, your first camp
and then you go to the one in the swamps
outside Breathwait manner, or rather when you go to Breathwait Manner,
and that's your camp for a bit. After you do
the whole after John Marson's kid gets kidnapped, and then

(57:19):
the whole gang is like marches on the matter. I
was like, okay, now that bicking will be like how
the momentum is building up. But I love that game.
It's one of my favorite games. But I also, yeah,
it's not in its minutia, it's not great sometimes.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean the stuff that's good there
is remarkably good, to the point where it's like I think,
I can, you know, muster through the stuff that I'm
not loving.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
So it's fucking gorgeous. Also the sound design too, in
the wilderness, like just especially with headphones on, just hearing
like crickets chirping, and then the socadas come out at
night and then you know, the morning, you hear just
like you can hear a burbling stream from liked a
quarter mile away.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Yeah, that's the thing that's helping is because the first
time I played it was in the like a tiny
New York City apartment on a PS four with like
TV speakers, and now it's like PC surrounds, Like I'm
really able to appreciate everything a lot more.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Now it looks and sounds a lot better. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. I'm holding off. I'm
saying full on, like, oh I love this or I
still hate this or whatever. But I think it's it's
the right time for this. I'm excited for updates, and
I'm proud of you. Well things not really Mary. What
have you been playing?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Let's find out I charged my Oh my god, yeah
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Mario Kart eight Deluxe.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Caddie Caddy.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Kind of a cat.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's a cat. It's very blob.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Game is black and white. I thought you're saying the
cat was black and white. I was something she was
saying the game was black and white.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Uh, you know the whole game is black and white.
I finished it.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Uh for the audio listeners. Oh wait, Gizmo was just
staring at me super weirdly in the back of the
frame right now.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Yeah, it's being creepy waiting all right, you see a
cat waiting for the master. I have a podcast to do, Gizmo,
is it be careful? Dad? This is gated. That's what
gizmo sounds like in my head. Be careful at this
quicksand and Gated is dead.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Gated Caddie is a simple platformer that I bought on
Christmas Eve and then I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Forgot about.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
It was on sale, which is why I bought it
because I wanted to play a simple game that wouldn't
stress me out. I think it was fifty percent off
and it's five dollars, so it was two fifty. It
is very simple in design. Uh it is is I
don't know when it came out, so this is not

(01:00:02):
a new game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I doubt uh Caddy c a T T I E
for the record, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Correct heavy platforming where there's like spikes and uh slicer
and dicers.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
It looks meat boyish.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I wouldn't give it that. I would say that there
are elements of it that I suppose have. But Super
meat Boy is like beautifully done and has like really
intricate levels. These are just like levels that were put together.
I don't mean this to be too disparaging this do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You not want to talk about it? We can move on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I didn't care for it, but I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
But I I just want to say you it's like
a simple platform or for when it was on sale
for two fifty I mean it did the job for
Christmas Eve, so, uh, that was what I played. No,
here's here's the real story I was told. I told
you guys, every Christmas, I usually play a game really

(01:01:04):
hardcore for the break.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That's something I like to do. You recommended me like
three games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I didn't want to play any of them for whatever reason,
maybe because I was like drinking a lot on Christmas.
Even was like, I just want a simple game that
I can burn through. I'm not going to stress about it.
And I played Caddy and I and I rolled credits,
and I thought to myself, that wasn't super satisfying. I
do kind of want to synk my teeth into a
game for the rest of Break and actually get like

(01:01:30):
immersed in it. You know the kind of thing where
like you wake up and you're like, I'm gonna make
myself a coffee and I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Start my game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Yeah, and I'm gonna and I'm gonna pick up where
I was yesterday, like a full time job game. And
I ended up, uh getting Links Awakening due to Dan's recommendation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And I actually lay wait links Away.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Waits Awakening, Yes, the remake. That's one of my least
favorite Zelda games. Why would I have recommended that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I you just said it one of your links.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I didn't say link to the Past. I saw that
you mentioned that. I don't remember Dan, I think to
the Past like Links Awakening. I remember it. It was
Link between Worlds that Dan and I were both gushing about. Yeah,
I was on three ds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I played links Awaken.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Days remake at least fine the remakes better than the original,
but yeah, it's one of the lesser Zelda games.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
We were gushing about Link between Worlds. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I really struggled with it, just to like, so you
could talk to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Dan about it. I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
People get so mad. Me grub loves Links Awakening. And
then I was like, that's one of the worst Zelda games.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
I so I I loved it back to day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I would always say it was one of my favorites,
just because I thought it would make me seem cool.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Uh I I like, I was like, oh, I'll be it.
That's like the deep cut.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
That's like saying your favorite Red Hot Chili Peppers album
is Monarchy of Roses. But then I played the remake
and I was like, oh, I don't like this game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
No, I don't. I said a good thing about Links Away.
The dungeon designed, the island designed hard. It's so hard
that the Eagles Tower whatever is as terribly designed dungeon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
All of the dungeons are like really convoluted, and a
lot of them are designed in a way like there's
one that's designed with levels and if you fall on accident,
you just.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
That's what I'm talking about. The Eagles Tower whatever, big
metal balls, and you can lose the link between worlds
or linked in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Those are those eight hour.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Days playing Thanks Awakening.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Insane because you wanted to like come back and tell
Dan that you acted on one of his recommendations that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Even though he did not recommend it. I rolled, Oh,
so sorry you did that. I mean, I don't feel
guilty because this is a thing, but ship, it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Like this is like you like kished your Christmas kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
I bet I would have said linked to the past,
not like I love link between worlds, but I don't
think she's traveling with a three D S so like
it was probably.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Link to the past though, and I remember like I
thought that you were like, you know, there's Links the Past,
Links Awakening, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
All goods on Switch, But I don't remember him recommending it. No, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Should have played okay games.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Is my take of Links Awakening is I did roll
credits on it. It was very grueling and it was
just one of those games where at first the first time,
I needed a guide and I'm not, like I don't
usually do that. I usually like to just brute force
my way through the game over time. But I was
so lost, you guys, And this game has multiple components

(01:04:42):
that are very like God help you if you're just
meant to just game or figure this out. But there's
this one part where you just have an item and
you're supposed to trade it to other people for items.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
It's like a long quest of trading stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Yeah, and there is a point in this where like
I have I don't remember a stick and I was like,
I have no idea wants this fucking stick?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
No, an actual wooden stick?

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
And I just couldn't someone need to invent trees.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I could not figure out who this set.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
I was like, Mary, that was all I needed to do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
This stick I did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I did I'm very upset about this revelation that you
guys didn't want me to play this game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
It took a long time to get through this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I used the side I think four times to be
able to get like there was a dungeon that was
the Eagle's nest was impossible. The final dungeon is actually
pretty impossible. And the the giving the item to various
people to get the final item, which you need to
get through this game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
The trading quest is fucking rude.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Obviously give a stick to the person trying to get
a honeycomb out of a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I did it know that. It's so fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
And like there's a part where the a person needs
something and they're under a bridge. Oh, I've never been
under the bridge before. I didn't even know you could
go under that bridge. And so I needed the guide
to be able to tell me to go to these
certain places. I didn't unlock a lot of the stuff
in this game. Why the time I opened the guide,
they were like, just use your flute. What does he

(01:06:17):
have use you? It's a very important term. Use your
akarina to just transport yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
And I was like, what do you mean? And I
guess there's like a way to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Get a song for your Akarina transport you this whole game,
I've been raw dogging it walk.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I never fast travel.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Well, there's fast travel locations, but you have to go
to a fast travel location to get to another one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Apparently there was a song on your Akrena that would
let you fast trap. I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I did not find that I had been walking. I
mean the step counter. My fitbit was going nuts on
this Zelda. I could not believe how long it took
me to slog my way through this game. I did
finish it. I am proud of the fact that I
fucking finished it, and I think the ending was very
lovely and magical. However, it is a difficult game, and

(01:07:09):
I would never recommend this to like a teenager or
young child, like they would never survive.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Oh, you don't even like the art style for that
remake the Fisher Price stuff. Okay, with the art style, it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Was cute, but I did I thought it was too
hard mechanically. I just couldn't believe how they don't explain anything.
As as Mike was saying, the ball one where you
have to this is kind of a spoiler, but you
have these balls and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
You're supper Giant metals.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Big giant metals.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Yeah, that sounds right. We got to bring it around,
throw it up and floors and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
But then there's like those little red and blue like
roads road blocks you have to raise and lower, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
It's either on blue or it's on orange.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
And if it's on orange, there are times in this
like Dungeon that if you have on the wrong thing,
you can go through a whole section with a boss
fight and everything, and then right as you get there,
you can't get through because it's on an orange, and
then you got to go all the way back slap
it to blue and then you can get through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Like it's mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It's it's almost mean. There's no way that they give
you the hint to slip it to orange. They just like, whatever,
go through all this shit and if you can't get through,
then do it again on orange. It's a very cruel game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Boy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
I wish you would have played one of the ones
we recommended. You would have had a great Christmas. There's
really great ones in that series.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I really struggled through it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Two days ago or something. You were playing links Awakening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
I saw your you showed the intro video of him
on the log waking up in the ocean, like don't
you yeah, like Dan's recommendation or something, And I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Posted, I said Dan recommended this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
I said it publicly. No, I famously don't like that
game at all.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Yeah, there's like fifteen Zelda games and there's like at
least thirteen I would recommend before that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I gotta stop drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Well, yeah, that's one of the worst ones. Yeah, but
you can say you beat it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Zelda two is there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Now, it's in the it's in the docket. I'll probably
pick a different one now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Now I'll recommend.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
I'm gonna recommend Middle Year Snake Eater and you're gonna
play medle Year Survive.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
The different to play the right one. They're pretty different.
But yeah, see, wow, I'm proud of you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I did want you to say that I'm really upset
about this.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Is this the new kissing it now that you don't
have game? Yeah, playing the wrong game to play the game.
We didn't recommend.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
It's playing game. We actually told you not to play.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I thought that you would be excited for me.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Alright, because this is funny, but yeah, not because you've
played a good game. Yeah, it's a fine game. It's
a fine game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
What else have you guys been playing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
I I'm almost to the end of the first Dishonored games.
Still very good.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
I will say that, having played a lot more Dishonored two,
forgot how rudimentary Dishundered one was compared to that in
terms of the amount of abilities you have, how you
can interact with the environment. But still for a game
from twenty twelve, if memory serves, it's still pretty uh
flexible in how you want to approach missions. And I'm
not going to replay it, but I do really appreciate

(01:10:40):
that on one mission you can choose to save this
woman who's being harassed by guards, and then later on
she will help you access pretty difficult to reach area
in a mission during a much more difficult objective that
you're trying to complete. Also, just the level design across
the board is pretty great. A lot more linear stuff

(01:11:01):
in this game. Early on there's the bridge level, which
I didn't love, but outside of that, the Masquerade Party
is still great. It's just giving me heavy hit Man
vibes sure, which is never a bad thing, but yeah, no,
I also still I love that art style, Like I

(01:11:21):
think I would go back and find it ugly, but
I really like it, even though I kind of has
that smooth clay texture as it works for that game surfaces, yeah,
because then when they do bleed, it's like just splash
across this like stark environment. But I love the the architecture.
Same dude who did a lot of the Half Life

(01:11:42):
two environments.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
I remember it was really cool. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
When we were doing covers for Game Informer, it was
always a big decision like what game goes on the cover,
And McNamara at one point was he had to decide
between it was like just a very safe like the
new Assassin's Creator whatever and Dishonored, And I remember him
thinking about it and he was like, you know, like
I kind of like the idea, like you know, Assassin's
great to safe, but you know, Dishonored sounds like this

(01:12:06):
thing no one's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Ever heard of, but it looks cool. It's got some
cool people working on it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Like I think it'd be kind of cool to go
with this like Underdog one, and he'd like kind of
had the foresight to put that on there and it
turned out to be a really cool decision.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Oh dude, if a game with that, I mean a
the world building is so fucking cool, like the steampunk
Victorian plague ridden world in which they still hunt whales
and that's a huge point of controversy within the game
is really cool. I also just if a game like
that came out today, that would be like, this is

(01:12:37):
fucking like pretty bold.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
This is great. I love it. Yeah, the I don't know.
If there's one thing I geek out about in games,
it's like cool level design, specifically in immersive sims, and
these are still great. I'm looking I'm going to play
dishonor two and then Death is the Outsider. I'm kind
of doing like half non lethal half lethal run. I'm
not really sticking to one. I'm I only occasionally reloading

(01:13:01):
saves if i really want to do an objective a
certain way, but I'm I'm generally not trying to do
like undetected or completely non lethal runs. I have done
that before and it's just more fun to kind of
go with the flow. But nice. Yeah, I'm loving it.
It is feeling like I'm just playing hit Man, but
first person on a bunch of new Hitman levels.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
But doesn't it have like a better like hit Man?
Not that hit Man has any flaws, but doesn't it
have like a really solid just beginning to end story
that I think is quite gripping.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Oh yeah, it's more of a there's more of a
script than hit Man has. For sure, you're like rescuing
the kidnapped. You're framed, hence the name. But then two
you get to choose between continuing to play as Corvo
or playing as Emily, and their powers are pretty different.
It's almost like that game had a you can replay
it to try objectives differently and maybe go non lethal

(01:13:54):
when you went lethal, but also be replay it as
the other character, similar to Resumel two. If resume to,
you know Jill and Leon had or not Jill, Jill
resume to getting that wrong Jill Claire wasn't. Uh Like,
if Claire and Leon had different abilities in Resumealle two,
it would be that same kind of replayability. But yeah,

(01:14:16):
I'm enjoying the hell out of it. But yeah, this
story is still pretty compelling. I remember too ramping things
up more, but I uh, it makes me wish when
like Arkane Austin and Leon were firing on all cylinders.
You know, Red Fall was a travesty for many reasons.
And you know, say what you will about Xbox taking

(01:14:39):
over and imparting some timelines on them that might not
have worked.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
I don't know the full story, but uh, I don't know.
I I love those games, I love Pray, I love
Arcane Austin their work. So nice. Yep, Dan, what else
have you been playing?

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
I played all of Mouthwashing in one sitting. U. No, okay,
it's on paper, it sounds extremely not like a me game.
It is a almost all narrative, serious story, dark, some
serious topics it delves into. But it was like two

(01:15:17):
hours long, a little over two hours long. And I
just saw some screenshots and I saw people talking about
it in a way where it's like sounding, this game
is doing some stuff pretty interesting, and just seeing the screenshots,
it's kind of almost like ps one aesthetic, and I
was just kind of intrigued by the screenshots and the
way people were talking about it. And it was the
break and I was like, you know what, I could
just sit down and beat this in a couple hours.
Let's just see what this is all about. And it's

(01:15:39):
a you know, dark sci fi story. I won't spoil anything. Basically,
it's just about a ship that crashes and things are
bad and they're hoping for rescue and they're just trying
to survive. There's like a handful of people in the ship.
All of these characters are incredibly well written and very
very quickly. Just a lot of depth is achieved with

(01:16:00):
all these characters, and it's very economical and how it
gets stuff across, and a couple hours you come to
know all these characters and you will have turns. I'm like, oh,
I like this guy. I's like, oh wait, no wait,
is this guy terrible? And it's like, oh hey, this
guy's This guy sucks, he's a he's a menace. And
it's like, oh wait, that's actually really sad and like
but in an effective way. Like I am not really
affected by game stories much, and this one, like I

(01:16:23):
really was drawn to the characters and their stories and
where it goes. It's told very kind of like nonlinear,
like you know the Tarantino pulp fiction style, where it's like, oh,
here's five days before the crash, here's six months after
the crash. And it is very dark and again deals
with some serious issues, but it's fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It's what the gameplay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
You're walking around the ship and it'll be like someone's like, hey,
can you go get this thing from the medical room,
and you go to the medical room and some horrible
shit's going on, and then it flashes to another time period,
like you know, after the crash or something, and then
you're just having a conversation with like the medic and
then it flashes four like, oh, we need to like
break into this room with these like pods and see
if we can still use them to escape, and all

(01:17:05):
this foam has filled the cabin. We need to chop
it up with an like it's there's very little actual game.
It's a lot of walking through things and talking back.
There's a couple kind of like gamy parts, and those
are actually maybe my least favorite parts of the game,
where it's kind of like it's not really stealth, but
it's kind of like if you fuck up, it's like
you got to restart.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
It's like PlayStation one Graphics collided with Event Horizon collided
with what remains of Edith Finch. Yeah, it's not did
you play that? I did? Yeah? I like a finch.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's I I don't want to say too
much because I think it would spoil a lot, but
I just do think it was like one of my
favorite one of the most well told stories I think
I've seen in a game.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
And uh, I really do want to to plug that
because it's it's very very unique. It looks cool, it
sounds up my alley, which I think I think you would.
I think you might both find it pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
It looks like the Twilight Zone movie, like it looks
so odd and all over the place, but in a
good way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Yeah, that's like part of what got me curious is
just the whole design is, like, what's going on here?
You know, how long did it take you a little
over two hours? I would say, Okay, I'm into that.
I'm into short games these days when I'm playing other
long form.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Stuff runs ground steamed back. I would love to if
you guys find a couple of hours. Jesus Christ. Sorry,
what one of the Steam videos of this?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Like, I'm on the game Steam page and one of
the I didn't realize I was on a video and
it just started suddenly with people screaming in loud noises.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I want to play that even more now.
I wouldn't call it a scary game. It is unsettling,
for sure. It is.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
It is dark, but there is some humor in it too.
I would I would love if you are intrigued to
either of you. If you've got a couple hours between
now and next recording, I'd be curious what you think
of it, because very impressed.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Okay, might check that out. Looks good? Yeah, Mary, you
play anything else besides Links Awakening?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Damn it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Two more, just just more of the same. It's still going.
I uh, it's still extraordinarily good and I'm just loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And I don't know. I thought I was going to
beat it and I didn't, so I still have more
to play. I've been enjoying the experience and uh, it's
it's been a joy to relive that game with updated graphics.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
That's all I have to say. It's still good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Okay, Yeah, I'm just playing dishonored. Uh, what's tricky madness? Oh,
just very quickly. It's an early access thing. It is.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
If you look up a picture of it, tell me
what you think of It's exactly what it looks like.
I want to see if you immediately it's early access.
It's got two courses all wait till Mike pulls it up.
So because I think it's the most like almost legally actionable,
I don't know if I want to say rip off
or it's I think they would probably like to say homage.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Mike looks confused, so I assume he's not an SSX GUYX.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Oh wait no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
I looked up trick Madness on Google and it pulled
up a very different thing. There's something else called Tricky
the Clown Madness Combat Wiki.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Oh I put Tricky Maness game and then as like,
oh yeah, SOX, it looks I loved.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
SX Giant Floating Snowflake, we point multipliers and grinding and
just like it feels exactly like SSX, And I was
just even though it's just a quick, little like early
access thing, I was like, fuck, yes, I love SSX,
Cool Borders Amp Dark, Summit ten eighty, all those snowboarding games.
There was a real era there and they just don't
do them the way they used to. And I am

(01:20:32):
fine if it's just a shameless like, hey remember this,
because I want more of that, so I will be
following the development of that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I was like twenty thirteen's SSX kind of they went
so grounded. Yeah, like, well, you're equipping yourself with like
a temperature gear and stuff. It's just like it's like,
this is not why I play SSX.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
I want tricky. I want to get like thirty miles
of hang time and then and then do the worm
on a board. Yeah, the worm on the boy yeah moves. Yeah.
Who was my favorite? I liked Mac.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
I liked he struck me as a Simon guy Simon,
which was yes, y m O win Simon. I think
Billy Zane might have been his voice Simon. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's a guy right there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
What Simon? No s s. I liked Mac and then uh,
what was her name? Sex? Elise was good. I liked
the lease Oh yeah, I think it was an elast mane. Yeah.
Do we even a lease man is least? Oh? Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Out of context. I'm sure people know exactly what I'm
talking about when I say I'm a deep deep from
the Foxes. Everyone Foxes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
It was one of the fire Escapes Top ten games.
Many awards that was won have been talked about for
Oh god, we keep we keep discovering new secrets in
that game.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
We do I should change.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
If you look up dewep out Foxies, there is a
a plus profile picture if anyone wants to use it.
Just dweeb in a top hat and a bow tie
holding a banana, staring at the screen all pixelated. That
is a fantastic picture of the man.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
That's good. Oh really, yeah, yeah, that's the stuff. Whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Actually, when we showed up at we were showing up
rather at dance for a Game of the Year. I
got their first I was like, let's play that Foxy.
I think he like laughs about joking. Yeah, we're playing. Yeah,
let's let's run it back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
You think this is a fucking game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
I got. I put him in a human cannon at
a circus level and shot shot ipe that you can
play with. Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I only played it for like maybe another two hours,
but on the way home I played Grindstone again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
I don't know if you guys ever played that back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
In the day, but it's still such an easy go
to game, Like you know, people pull up Vampire Survivor
is just to play it for like an hour grind
You can play Grindstone in a fucking second and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Still so good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
I loved it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Yeah, I'm not. I didn't list it as my games
where you mentioned Vampire Surcrivers. I'm literally at like almost
seventy hours now in the last few weeks of just playing,
like doing all the Vampire Survivor stuff again.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
That's crazy as a beat too.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
Caslovania games during break, so it's like all this old
stuff I've still been playing, but I don't want to
be the Caslvania is still good a term zone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
That's what I'm doing with Silent Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I mean, I just like I said every once in
a while, he only said it once.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I only did it once. It's not you guys said
so many fucking Zelda games. I wrote them all down,
and it's just in the list.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
He wrote them down and then didn't play any of
those I wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
You must have brought it up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
I'd love to check the tape. I want to go
back to that. I try and remember what would that
have been the email section I.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Would have been from of near the end. I think
I bet Mary's like, oh, I got to find something
to play during break. I'll review to the past, its awakening.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
The end of the episode is literally nothing but you
suggesting games to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Okay, you tossing out trash at me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
We'll go back and look. No, we give you gold
and you found trash.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Fucking came back with fucking buffalo chip. All right, you
guys want to do emails, I swear okay, okay, okay
as usual.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
You can.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Okay as usually The fire Kid Cast at gmail dot
com for questions, comments, stuff you want read on the episodes. Uh,
we've got a bunch in the last few episodes, and
uh we're still working through them, but keep those coming. Uh, Mary, Actually,
I guess I can read this because it's in response
to it's not a question. They're talking about my sleepwalking.

(01:24:57):
We discussed on last episode, so I'll get through this one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Then we get to questions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Hi, I'm actually a sleep specialist, and I just thought
i'd provide some possible causes. Sleepwalking is a semi common phenomena,
with about one in fifty encountering it in their lives.
The most common cause is usually a quat crossed wire,
causing the body to be active in deep parts of
its rem cycle. With Mike, though it's probably blood loss
from his brain because of a massive stiffy. All the best,

(01:25:21):
Doctor carp strong Man. Nice, thank you, doctor strong Man.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Thank you, doctor strong Doctor Carp strong Man. I hope
that government.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
It's very man boggin of him to come up with
a name like that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
Mary. Do you want to read this next one from Jerry?

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
It starts odd? Is this intentional? It's also?

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Oh no, just I think it's just the murder? Yeah? No, okay,
well no, read that and then I'll provide context because
it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Here's the here's the what.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
I put in our doc in the run of show.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Also, if the above question proves a big problematic and Marry.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Say it was, that's why. Now I'm curious. It's not
that bad, but like it's what is it? Okay, now
let's do let's do this. I'm gonna look at it.
We'll look at it. It's not that bad. No, we'll
save it for effort. We'll go back. But I just
thought it's kind of funny to start with that, like
it's a Mary, it's a Mary fuck kill see. Okay, yeah,

(01:26:21):
it's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
So I included the one that's not about people here
because probably there's a mery fuck kill about actual human beings,
which is they're actors. We've discussed, but I just thought
it might be important.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's so literal. Come on, let's read it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Oh wait, okay, so this, yeah, here's a mary fuck
kill for us to debate. Here we go. It's mary
fuck kill Stofers, Mac and cheese, Velveta cheese and shells,
mac and cheese pizza.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Okay, I think I have mine. Well, okay, so is
this a literal thing? You were just calling me like
we're literally having sex with this?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
That I think would you have the one that you
would want to have for the rest of your life,
the one that you would like to have one amazing
night with, the one that you would have to sacrifice
and it would never exist on the plate face of
this earth ever again. And I also think, just because
food is a bit weird, I think it's the one
that you would you would get to eat five nights

(01:27:26):
a week and enjoy, whereas one is like you can
only have it once, but it's so nice, but you
don't actually want to have it five nights a week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
That would be too much.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
I was taking it too literally. And I was trying
to think of which of these would be the best
to put my penis into.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yes, I know, we know that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
And I was thinking pizza because you could wrap it around.
But okay, we're talking because you get sink in.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Get in there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Oh, look at mister deep dish pussy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Did you just say deep dish pussy while dot com
that if you want to subscribe to fire skates, Patreon
just got a deep dish pussy dot register that to
have to go to our merch page. Okay, let me,
I'm going to hover while you guys, are you do
the mac and cheese thing? I'm gonna all right, well,

(01:28:16):
I think you know Stofer's gonna be funny to talk
to our accountants. What is this expense that it's just artists?

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
It's right off, right off, It's funny the craft mac
and Cheese isn't on here because that is the one
I probably had the most in my life. So if
it's just the Stofers Belvida and mac and cheese pizza,
I think the Mary is definitely Stofers.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
That has historically been my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
That's the one when I go back for Thanksgiving, my
Grandma makes Stover's mac and cheese just for me still,
and the rest of people have, like, you know, grown
up food.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Ooh, so between Velveta shells and cheese and mac and
cheese pizza for fuck and kill, Well again, if it's literal,
I'm going.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
With the pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Stop it's not. We've discussed this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Okay, then one crazy night.

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for all. Is banana bread considered bread or cake? I
say cake? He says bread. Best Cammy, Thanks Cammy. I
think this is a convoluted question because the name of
the item in questions says bread, so thus you might

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Really just a slice of bread, uh, you know, for
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it or.

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Like you put like you like dip it in soup
or something, you know what I mean, Like you would
never have No, That's the thing. That's why I think
it might be cake because bread is something that you
like dip with soup or you make a sandwich out
of it. I would never fucking make a sandwich out
of banana bread. That's crazy town.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
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argue with the name. It's it's banana bread. It's right there.
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I think I can I I wouldn't I have banana
bread as dessert. I make it a couple times a
year when I'm running out of bananas. It's iconic to
have with like breakfast. If you put some butter on
it as like a little swim we eat treat in
the morning or after dinner treat. But it's not a

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you make banana bread all the time? I think you
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Uh yeah, sorry, it's distracted. Are you saying it's bread
or cake?

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So, I even though I agree with Dan that banana
bread has bread in the name, so it should be bread,
I think it's cake because it just has too many
cake qualities.

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It's sweet, and I eat it like dessert.

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because of the geometry of it and how I eat it.
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All right, let's hear it for Cammy, was right?

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Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Uh My, this is from Nathan. My new year's resolution
is to reach one thousand albums listened to by the
end of twenty twenty five. I started keeping track of
everything I listened to a couple of years ago, and
I'm at about six hundred right now, so aiming for
four hundred total in twenty twenty five, still very tall.
Order any album recommendations that are personal favorites of yours,
I'm curious. But besides the few bands I've already heard

(01:37:01):
you mention, eg. Queens of the Stone Age, talking Heads,
what are interested in musically? My Spotify Unwrapped was ass
of my favorite albums well the last decade is Evil
Friends by Portugal Demand.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
I think it's a perfect album. I don't think there
are any flaws on it. It's also just listening through
it front to back. It's an incredible not super long.
I want to say forty five minutes tops great album,
Evil Friends.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
I'll say the same one that I bought Ben Hansen
for the min Max video where you sent me to
a record store, and that's How Big, How Blue, How
Beautiful by Florence the Machine. I think all of their
albums are incredible, but this was the one that got
me introduced to her and the band, and I just
think even to the first two tracks are just absolutely incredible,
and the rest of the album is great too, and

(01:37:57):
all the other ones are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Probably have mentioned this before, but my favorite album that
I always go to is the Machinarium soundtrack by Thomas Devorak,
and I think it's absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I think it is so lovely and it really does
capture a.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Combination of musical ingenuity but also just like strange mechanical
sounds like tones. It sounds like somebody was like hitting pipes,
and I I just love the way that it makes
me feel. And most of the time when someone asks
me what I should listen to if I'm in their car,

(01:38:35):
I asked them to put that album on.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Yeah, I find it calming. I also listened to it
in the airport. It's like the only thing that I
want to listen to when I'm in the airport. I
don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
Oh, And if they're looking for other albums, my brother
in law, Tom Minda, who did the theme song for
this podcast, check out his man Thank You Scientists, And
they put out a double album called Terraformer a few
years ago that check out a proud rock.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Oh, how lovely, Oh, let me do it, Let Me
do one? Yeah, you do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
One one of my favorite bands, Future Islands Samuel Herrings
singing is incredible. They've got many good albums. I'd say
if you want to listen to one, that every single
song is a banger. The album is literally just called singles.
If you've heard a song by them, it might be
Seasons Waiting on You. That's the one that they kind
of blew up on because they went on Letterman and
he just went it's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
A really good song. I think Bono called it a miracle.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
I don't know if you take Bono's word with anything
with a grain of salt these days, but that singles.
Their album is literally just a bunch of like one
off incredible singles. But twenty twenties As Long as You
Are is one of my favorite albums by them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Ture is that let the yell at them about the dance.
He's like, give me all that you got. Yep. He's like,
whoh oh yeah, it's you got. Yeah. But as Long
as You Are is there is more of a cohesive album.
But I'm not saying that in like an you know,
up their own ass way. They're all really good songs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
It's just more there's more like pacing variations as opposed
to just like catchy song after catchy song after catchy song.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
I think it's like there's so many good albums, and
what a cool is that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Like a New Year's resolution to see I just think
that's a really neat resolution. Most of the time resolutions
are boring, like I'm gonna drink less, I'm gonna better myself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I love the ones where it's just like I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Going to eat everything off of the cheesecake Factory menu.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
In twenty twenty five, and it's like, God, bless you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
You know you found something that makes you happy, and
like listening to that many albums I think will be
very enjoyable and I am.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Happy for you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
I was gonna say that would be three a day,
but I think they're saying a thousand total, and no,
Nathan was saying that they're at six hundred right now.
It wants to hit a thousand four this year to
finish slightly over one a day.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yeah, I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
I mean, I'm sure there's other like valuable albums I'm
trying to think of, like ones that the thing is
is like a lot of times I'm always like this
is an incredible artist, or like you're gonna really love
this song. It's not often that I'm like, this album
is a work of art. That is something that I
think that I personally just don't think I'm as successful
at recommending. There's not a lot of times where I

(01:41:17):
listen to a very specific album from beginning to end
because I think it's so important and I'd like to
get better at that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
So it's kind of like a nice push for me
to like be a more learned person.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Yeah, and if you're gonna sorry about my coughing, if
you've definitely heard me talk about Talking Heads often.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
They're my favorite band of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
But I do think Speaking in Tongues their album is
probably my favorite, which is not an uncommon opinion, but
I do think it's just incredible. Gets very weird, but
it just.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Makes me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
I go through like eighteen moods listening to that album.
But like David Byrne, his songwriting is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
The whole band is just like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Goes between like really ethereal songs and all of a
sudden these weird paranoia songs that just kind of like
the guitar is doing one thing and then like Jerry
Harrison's doing one thing that you got, Tina Weymoth is
playing completely different song, but it's still somehow all works
just melts together in an amazing way.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
I love that album.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Oh wait, I got one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
When I'm in a mood and I need to like
listen to something, I usually go for an album and
it's Pantera Vulgar Vulgar.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
Display of Power. Great cover too for that album.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
That dude, it's actually a fantastic album from beginning to end.
That's probably the only one I can think of off
the top of my head where it's like, damn, what
a solid piece of art that will make you rage
in your car if needed, or sleep peacefully depending on
your mental I just think that Vulgar Display of Power

(01:42:56):
is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
So please put that on your list if you walk.
Oh well, a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
There's so many there's so many good ones on it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
And it's also just like this love is actually like
so beastie. It's so beast moode I love. I love
a lot of songs on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
So yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yea yeah yeah yeah all right, Well,
good luck to Nathan. Let us know how that's going.
That's our show. As we mentioned before, Firescape cast at
gmail dot com. If you want to have questions right
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Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
So okay, fair enough, very fair. I'll be there in
a few years and then we'll hang out. We'll talk,
we'll talk wine, we'll talk the party. All right, Well
that's our episode. Everybody, thanks is always for hanging out.
We'll see you in a couple of weeks. Until then,
Happy New Year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
How many

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Ye