The Room (2003)

Ethan and Robbie dive deep into one of the most infamous movies of all time, The Room (2003) and it's biopic counterpart, The Disaster Artist (2017).

Episode Transcript

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A drum roll please, Hello listeners, Welcome back to another episode of Flicks,
Flick and Feedback Feedback. I'm oneof your hosts, mister Robbie Seely,
and I am your other host,mister Ethan Zarro. Mister Ethan Zarro,

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how are you doing today? I'mdoing fantastic, mister Seely, I'm
doing very well. The first episodeof Flix and Feedback was very successful.
Oh yes, thank you to allof our listeners for tuning in and checking
in on a brand new venture withRobbie and I were very very excited,
as as per usual. But youknow what, honestly, I think,

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much like our other you know ventures, it just seems to be keep getting
better. It just with every episodewe learn and we, you know,
we take wisdom from whatever we talkedabout the last time, and you move
forward, we put it towards moreepisodes. And yeah, before I go

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on too much of a rant,Ethan, please tell me what film we're
talking about today, Oh Robbie,I would be delighted to tell you what
movie we are doing today. Weare doing possibly one of the most infamous
films it ever, often referred toas literally the worst movie ever made.

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That's it, honestly that I knowit's technically negative, but that's like an
honor, Like, yeah, ifyou're not the best, then you don't
want to be anywhere else. Youdon't want to be the middle. Hell
no, you if you're not knownfor being the best, then you won't
be known anywhere in the middle.You might as well be known as like

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take it well, taken stride,you know. Yeah, And I think
this this movie, it deserves thattitle. It deserves that title, honestly,
Like after I was reminded why thisis quite possibly the worst movie ever.

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It doesn't get any better, No, no after like after the second
or the third time, It trulydoesn't get any better. And so funny
if you are being said, yeah, if you're still wondering because we keep
dragging this on, we are goingto be talking about the Room, directed,

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written and produced by Tommy Wise,Tommy motherfucking Wise, O his three
magnum O this O my God likesomething yeah, like okay, let's get
let's get down to the brass tacks. Let's let's talk about the the no

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ifs ands or butts like these arewho worked on it. So like we
had said, this was directed,written, produced, and starry. Yeah,
this man wears all the hats onthis movie, the the man,
the myth, the legend. Tommywas like and yes, to talk about

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him, just for a little bit, you know, wait, hold on,
wait, okay, I'm gonna stopyou right there because I have a
lot to say about that. Solet's let's continue with who worked on it
for just a moment, because Idon't want to get too deep into it,
because you're not gonna be able topull me out. Smart man.

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So he started his own production company, wise Ou Films to work on this
movie. And he got a aguy that he met in like southern California
and got him to to work onthis film. That is the the great

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Greg Ssterio as well as I'm sorry, Greg Sasterio. Yes, truly the
MVP. Yeah, the MVP.Like while while while some of the acting
performances might have been a little questionable, I think honestly he he did a

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pretty bang up job. It alsostarred Juliet Danielle, Philip Haldeman, and
Carolyn Minett not Monosoly Mino, whatever, one of those one of those options.
And so okay, now we canget into Tommy okay, now,

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okay, Yeah, so that's thecast, and all these these wonderful people
met and were cast by the Man, the myth, the legend. Tommy
was, oh, who is aPolish American actor and filmmaker and is he
Polish? I believe? I meanso, so to go more into Tommy

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was, Oh, there's not actuallya lot known about this man, no
even even in today in the Lordyear twenty twenty four. Mm hm,
the Lord's my Yeah. So toput it, to put it plain and

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simple, this guy's about this man. Yeah, this guy, this guy
came out of the woodwork, absolutelyout of nowhere, possibly from Poland,
possibly from Poland very questionable origins,and just had an unreasonable amount of wealth

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and use that wealth to create knowswhere the money came from, nobody knows.
Nobody knows where it came from.Nobody knows. He could have been
like pulling like a face off withJohn Travolta and Nicholas Cage and like like
switched his whole appearance up and youknow, like had a double life and
he's like actually a criminal on therun, Like oh Jesus, yeah,

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there's a lot left up to theimagination. When talking about Tommy Wizou and
all this speculation and conspiracy is actuallythe basis of another movie, which we
will talk about in length later,and that is The Disaster Artist from twenty
seventeen, the biographical comedy drama uhthat starred and was produced by names such

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as Jane Franco and Seth Rogen andJim de Franco his little you Know,
their Little Brother, which is arguablyso much better than the actual movie it's
based on, because all there,because what the movie with The Disaster Artist

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is all about is what went onwhile making this movie, and which was
huge. It was insane because againTommy Wiseau was just writing checks that he
could cash, fat checks that absolutelypaid for every cent of the movie he

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front because Tommy fronted all the moneyproduced himself with his theater, not theater
with his movie company. Mm hmm. But no one again, no one
knows where all the money came from. And just the the conspiracy and all
the wackiness that came out of themaking of the room is what we see

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in The Disaster Artist. Yes wewill, and we will circle back,
don't you worry, because that's ait's a good movie. So if I
may the the basic plot of theroom. Now, mind you, there's
a lot of subplots, and ifI may, there's a lot there's a

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lot of plot points that you wouldnot connect and are and a lot of
them are never resolved. I believe, I believe the actual term they're used.
You're trying to say is plot holethose Yes, yes, yes,
there is also a lot of plotsyeah to to to use good textbook words,

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thank you. Yes. But atthe at the very core of it,
there is a basic plot line whichfollows a man named Johnny played played
by Tommy Waiso, who lives inCalifornia and works as a banker, which

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I when I first watch it didnot completely understand it. I didn't get
that from my most recent rewatch.Nope, there is of it. And
uh he lives in southern California withhis fiance Lisa, which I think they

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only say once or twice in thewhole movie. And if they could have
been married, for all I cared, and it still would have been the
same feeling like met two days before, and it would have been the same
feeling literally literally and throughout the plotof the movie, Lisa is having a

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having an affair with Johnny's best friendMark, who was played by Greg Sistero.
Mmm. Now, as we hadsaid before, Greg Sisterio might be,
if not the best, definitely liketop three of like the best actual

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performances in that movie. We canyeah, And we can also say that
everyone besides Tommy Wiseo is a prettyhalt decent actor. Oh yeah, for
sure, everyone else's performances, youknow, they really they did their best.
And to add in a a hintof the I think it's best if

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we just drop in hints of theDisaster Artists all the way, because the
Yeah one without talking about the other. And just what I remember from The
Disaster Artist is them really emphasizing Tommy'svery wacky and very unproductive, unprofessional directing

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style, and just so watching themovie, after watching The Disaster Artist,
you see that they're not really makingacting choices, rather just doing what they
were told, Yeah, which resultsin what looks like bad acting on their
part. Correct. Correct, Andyou know, within the Disaster Artists,

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we see Tommy was actually quite likebelligerent and like abusive towards the people that
worked on the movie. And youknow, if he it was his way
or the highway and they acted anddidn't do something that he didn't approve of,

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he would throw a fit and getlike really upset about it. And
they would spend days on one onescene because it's all and I have when
we get to the filming, Ohman, I'm gonna go off like you
got you gotta stop me. Yougot to like put your hand up and

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be like, all right, it'smy time to talk. We'll get there,
don't you worry? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, So
Tommy would get, you know,upset and throw a temp almost like a
Toddler temper tantum if if the moviewasn't going the way that he wanted it

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to. And so that's why,you know, you let one guy make
all of the decisions for an entiremovie, it's not necessarily gonna be good.
And so considering the fact that hewrote it, directed it, and
starred in it, dude, likeyou, if you're gonna do that,

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you have to at least be linManuel of lin Manuel Miranda. Let you
can't know, you can't you can'tjust do that if you're you know,
just some random random person, youknow, right, Yeah, but you
know, to be a little bitof a of a of a devil's advocate.
This man fronted all the money,every penny, and I guess that's

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that's kind of what is crazy aboutthe whole thing is that you know,
it wasn't with a traditional production company. So it's not like he was working
with Fox or he wasn't working withUniversal or Lucasfilms. Like it was his
own company. He had the moneyto pay for it is might as well
let him do whatever he wants.You know, as long as the people

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got their checks at the end,they didn't care, right, So so
yeah, so I I just wantto be upfront and say, like,
this isn't going to be us likenecessarily trash talking the room. It's more

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of like analyzing and I guess critical, critical, and now of the film
is the the correct verbiage for it, because it's like we're not just gonna
be like, oh, it wasso bad, like it's bad bad,
it's bad, Like no, it'slike we talk about in showing the ship,

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it's like what was the message thatthey were trying to convey? So
I have a list of themes thatI found within the room, and it
gets pretty deep. If I'm ifI'm gonna be completely honest. I if
only one day we could meet TommyWiseo, because I want to know what

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he was doing, what drugs hewas on while he was writing this,
because the movie is so all overthe place. Yeah, it's very you
know it as as much as itfollows that one plot very loosely. There
is a lot of different little tidbitsof like you said, there's gonna be

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a lot of different themes in thismovie V and so I would love to
know how Tommy figured out how tohow to pack it all in there.
Yeah. I actually read something thatsuggested that it was possibly autobiographical and that
it was based on stuff that actuallyhappened in his life, because it is.

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I mean, how else would youknow how to write about, you
know, your fiance cheating on you? Because that was one of my notes
I took while I was rewatching,was Tommy Wiseau wrote a movie about himself
being cheated on yep? Consistently,Yes, yes he did. And so

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some of the themes that I foundwithin the film are you know, they're
they're they're pretty common in film eventoday. But you know, it comes
down to loss, So you know, whether that's losing losing a person physically

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like if they pass away, orlosing somebody because of like a breakup and
things like that. Just the ideaof being without a person is very evident
within within the movie Sickness, So, like you know, common illnesses and
ailments, Lisa's mom mentions that shehas breast cancer and some of nowhere,

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and then it's never talked about everagain. It is never there is never
like a an inkling of it beingthere before her mentioning it. It is
then mentioned in three or four lines, and then, like you said,
never brought up again, never mentionedagain. So consider that what you will.

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But it's mentioned, you know.And then there's the scene where Denny
is trying to buy drugs off ofa guy and he owns the money.
And then there's a lot, alot of sex there. I please tell

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me you counted how many sex scenes. There is four and don't even call
him sex scenes. They are sexmontages. There is four sex montages in
less than forty five minutes. Lessthan that's it. Within the first forty
five minutes of the movie. Thereis count of one, two, three,

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four sex montages, and I believethree of them are or Johnny Johnny
and Lisa. Y Yeah, Johnnyand Lisa. One of them is Mark
and Lisa, and then one ofthem the fourth one is and this one's
so funny, funny there is.It is a essentially a random couple when

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you are introduced to them when themovie when when they're first seen just having
sex and Lisa and Johnny's apartment andit turns out that they're Johnny's friends and
they have a key and he justlets them do what they will when they
please, and then is as goodas mine, like they I think it's

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it's Johnny's friend, Mike, AndI don't know if we ever got Mike's
girlfriend's name. I'm looking at mynotes. I don't see it, and
I don't believe we do. Itmight be no, or Michelle is Lisa's
friend. Yes, yes, soit's Mike and this this woman they have

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in Lisa and Johnny's apartment, Iguess whenever they want to. And then
they're walked in on by Lisa andLisa's mom. Mm hmm. Just yeah.
First yeah, absolutely unnecessary line afterplot line like it. There's so
much exposition and then it never payson, like le never resolves. This

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movie is the worst roller coaster truly. It is all a pill climb for
one little we hump like that's it. And then just a couple more things.
Domestic violence. Johnny Johnny is verynot I guess Tommy you know,

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as well as being belligerent in thein real life when it comes to the
filming of the movie, but evenhis character is is abusive towards his u
his fiance Lisa. He treats Lisalike shit, but at the same time
buyser flowers and and doesn't want herto leave him. Such a that's what

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I mean is like this there's somany twists and turns in this movie.
It's so it's so hard to keepup with. But we really, we
really tried it, really it is. It is so hard to follow.
And then there's just so many wackytransition shots. Yes, there's a lot

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of and not even like not evenlike a side swipe like in Star Wars.
It's just like, oh what wasthat the end of one scene,
and then there'll be a shot ofof a of like a San Francisco street
car and maybe Tommy's on it,and then it fades into you know,

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like a like a shot of thebuilding that that Tommy and Lisa live in,
and then into the next scene andit's so it's so shoddy and it's
so abrupt. Yeah, yeah,it's very nineties. One more time,
it's very nineties. Even though itwas written in the two thousand and three

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it was it was very very ninetiesesque. But yeah, so those are
those are some of the big things. And then you know, spoiler alert
for the very end when when Tommyrealizes sorry not Tommy, when Johnny realizes
that Mark and Lisa are having anaffair, he shoots himself. He throws

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which absolute fit and rest the entireapartment, ripping things off the wall,
throwing things all over the place,making a fucking mess, and then ultimately
decides that best route is to endhis life, which is just so bad

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when you remember that he wrote thisfor himself to like you almost think like,
I'm glad that he didn't like doanything in real life, because you
think, like when somebody writes somethinglike this, like, oh my god,
is this a suicide note as amovie? Right? Yeah, that's
that's like haunting to think about becauseI think about, like, uh,

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I mentioned I mentioned this book inthe in the first episode of the podcast.
But I can talk about this bookfor the rest of my life because
it is just fucking unbelievable. ButHouse of Leeves by Mark Marxy Daniel Marxy
Daniel Evski, it's basically like thisgiant, thick ass book that's got a

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bunch of different like layers and twistsand turns, and it's all just a
like an apology letter to his family, which is unbelievable when you when you
really think about it, like it'slike it's it's almost like eight hundred pages

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something like that, and it's justchalk full of stuff, information, plot
lines and different perspectives. And thenwhen you when you think about it and
you look about like look at likehis history, it's it's talking about him
and his family. So that's whyI think the autobiographical theory of this movie

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being actually about Tommy's life is kindof possibly true. WHOA right, Yeah,
But but it's it's just so sadif it is. That's what I'm
saying, is like it's sad.It's when you really, when you really
put it into perspective, like likethis is the only I think, this

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is the only thing he's done,right, one. Uh, I believe
so only the only movie that helike did everything for. Well, yes,
yes, in that sense, hebecause he's produced other things. He

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had a documentary that he was inuh yeah in uh that was called Homeless
in America. In twenty eight ten, he starred in a fifteen minute parody
titled The House That Drips Blood onAlex. He was in Samurai Cop two

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No Ship. Yeah, he wasthe h he was the feature villain.
His popped up in a few TVshows. But yeah, he doesn't,
he doesn't. He doesn't have along resume. Yeah, so you know,

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going back to the idea like this, this really was like his magnum
opus. Like you know, wewe think about like one thing that we
could possibly do in our life thatis gonna be like what we're remembered for
and stuff like that. And Imean, like we said, if You're
not gonna be the number one movieof all time, this might as well

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be the like lowest, lowest movieof all time. You know. Yeah,
don't get so yeah, like yousaid, don't get lost in the
middle, right, But if itis autobiographical two to Ride the Conspiracy,
what if this is this was hislife before he came into a America.

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And that's the other thing too,like what like we're all wondering, like,
oh my god, where's this guycome from? Like where do you
get all this money? Because inlike what he's just telling us because we
we really we don't know a lotabout him, but he has he's claimed
to live in different parts of theworld, in France, he's he has

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said that he grew up in NewOrleans, but obviously he does not have
a of a New Orleans accent.I encourage you to watch the room so
you can hear this man speak.Yeah, so like what if what if
this this was his life? Youknow, I I truly believe it.

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If somebody told me that it was, I'd be like, yeah, like
no, no question about it.It's gotta be, you know. Yeah.
So that's crazy, And that's that'sjust a theory, you know,
because this man has never given awayor verified many details of his life to

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anyone. Yeah, so we areleft to do nothing but theorize and use
our imagination exactly. I did wantto talk about just a couple of scenes
in the movie that have uh youknow, what's the word infiltrated pop culture

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because way before I ever saw theactual movie. Of course, you know,
you see things that become memes hashtaga meme minute later. But like
the most some of the most famousscenes, the flower shop scene it is

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and it's forty roughly, it's it'svery short and it's just Johnny going into
this flower shop to buy flowers forLisa. But the cashier has such a
great line because how it's just it'sso because he walks in and mind you

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look up, please do yourself afavor. And if you don't know what
this man looks like, look upa picture of Tommy Wizo, because if
you're the cashier at any store,you're gonna notice this man when he walks
in one. So Johnny grabs someflowers and he goes up to the or
no, he he just goes rightup to the to the to the counter,

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and the cashier and their cadence anddelivery is so funny of her just
going, oh, hi, Johnny, I didn't know it was you,
Like, how do you ain't Noway in hell did she not know it

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was him. There's no way youdon't see this man and immediately recognize him.
Yeah, he buys a dozen rosesand then just before he leaves,
oh hi doggy, Hi doggy,there's a little there's a little dog sitting
on the counter. Ye, Andit's just such a goofy scene. And

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even before the oh hi Doggy,it's it's that fucking interaction where she's like,
I have a good one, Johnny, You're my favorite customer. And
then Johnny's like thanks bye, literallythanks by oh hi Doggy, like oh.

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That was the other thing. Indoing some of my research for this,
I watched the Cinema sins video ofand and they did it like double
each time, double sins each timeJohnny says, hi, did you catch

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that? Did you catch how manytimes he says oh hi Hi, oh
hi? Like he says it somany times this man I did. I
made a note that there wasn't alarge vocabulary used in the writing, not
whatsoever, because clearly English is nothis first language, right, But I

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do believe psychological was the biggest wordI heard. The rest of the script
is very basic, very short interactions, and it just not only does it
leave the viewer wanting for so muchmore because the scenes are so short,

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they're so a couple of lines,maybe one or two people interacting. We're
seeing transition and then a couple ofpeople interacting with a few short sentences,
and it's just that over and overand over and over again. And so
I would love to see a scriptjust to see like how he wrote it

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and how he formatted it. Specifically, I love to see the draft,
Oh my god, yeah, becausecan you imagine if this was the final
draft before like crazy. But onething I wanted to also touch upon when

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when talking about you know, theroom itself is the absolute cult following yes
that this ye has. If youI bet you any money, if you

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are listening to this right now andyou look up the room showings near me,
whatever major city closest to you ismost likely having a showing of the
Room because for some reason, itlike the there's a massive, massive following

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of people who love to go totheaters like full on movie theaters and watch
this movie and they treat it thesame way they treat like Rocky Horror,
where they're like repeating what they're sayingon the screen and like they're quoting shit
and like throwing shit all over theplace. It's crazy. And I think

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for me, if I was Tommywiseauh, that it's what I want.
Like I don't care about Marvel StarWars, like I don't need a giant
fan base. I don't need afandom. But the people who do love
it, they fucking love it.They they really do go crazy for it.

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And I did, in fact lookup the room showings and there is
showing. There's a showing next weekin Brookline, Mass Dude, before there's
a showing next week, there's ashowing in uh March, I think is
the one after that. But yeah, so you that's what I'm saying,

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dude. It's like they're the followingis absolutely insane. And with that m
hm. The budget for the moviewas six millillion dollars. This man really
just had so much money and noone knows where it came from. And

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the box office right after initial releasewas four point nine million dollars, meaning
that they were down. They losta million dollars and change from that movie,

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which is insane. Like some peoplecan hope to make a million dollars
in their lifetime, never mind justbeing able to just like throw it around
willy nilly and just be like allright, you know, here we go.
Need we need more stuff for thisscene, all right, boom boom
bing bang boom like it. Moneyto me is so unfathomable, Like rich

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people like Jeffrey Bezos having being likea billionaire is unfathomable to me. Yeah,
yeah, it blows my mind howmuch money Tommy was able to spend
on this film because not only didhe film it on actual you know,
thirty five millimeter, but he filmedit and recorded it on digital at the

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same time. Mm hmm. Andto be able to pay you know,
most movies are only filmed on oneof the other because either one is fucking
expensive. Producing a movie period isexpensive. But for him to have the
money to whip out the money todo both blows my mind and every other

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film critics mind who has stumbled acrossthis movie and hopefully enjoyed it, because
oh yeah, it's it's something likeI said, it's a roller coaster not
necessarily good one. And I thinkwhat's what's cool is like they're they're going
to they're continuing to make money offof off of the off of the movie

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just from like it's uh, thethe re releases like in theaters and like
people wanting to still go and seeit, and also like they Tommy and
Greg will like go to like thosetheaters that are like that are showing the
movie and they'll do like a talkback or they'll like, you know,

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before the movie starts, they'll belike, oh, thank you so much,
or you know, like whatever thatwas, that's my best Tommy wizonempression.
There you go. And then Iactually went to this my this my
second year going to fan Expo inBoston, and they always for the past
two years they've had Greg Cestero goto fan Expo and do like a rewatch

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with like commentary. I'm like,God, I would love to go and
see that. I want to bethere. I want his thoughts, all
of them. Yeah, I meanI need to know. I need to
know what it was like to workon that movie. I mean, which
brings us great Segway keep going tothe Disaster Artist, which which basically is

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a retelling. Whether it's you know, an emphasize emphasized version of the truth
or not, it is a retellingof the events that took place both prior
and after the filming of the Room, right from Tommy showing up to the

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same acting class as Greg where theymet yes to to their breakup towards the
very end of the movie and liketheir their struggle as friends and like actually
finishing the movie because I mean Gregwas just a kid and Tommy they didn't
even know how old Tommy was atthe time, and so Greg was like

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this young twenty something year old guymoving to LA with this random dude and
trying to get into like acting.And I think that's really really telling of
like, you know, the theindustry, and you know the industry that
even you and you and I Bobbyare trying to get ourselves into, like

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the the entertainment industry. It's hard, yeah, And you know, if
you have somebody like Tommy, whois you know, wanting to you know,
not lose you, and you knowtry and kind of control what you
do, you can't really get anywhere, you know, Like Greg, Greg

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passed up on opportunities that he couldbe making millions billions of dollars on movies
right now, but he stood byhis friend, which you know, it
is honorable and very respectful, butat the same time, it's like you
gotta do what's right by you.Farewell, put beef, Thank you,
buddy. I appreciate it. Thedisaster Artist was not only based on you

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know, the making of the Room, but it was based on a book
written by Greg cestero uh and talkof his book. Yep, it is
a book. I gotta read ittitled The Disaster Artist My Life Inside the
Room. The greatest bad movie evermade, which I think that you know,

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tells the whole story that the oneit is, because it is so
fair to say it's the greatest badmovie. It's the best worst movie ever
made. Yeah, you know,because you know, we've seen bad movies
and we'll talk about them as asthe series goes on. But then if

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you look at the flip side,you know, if you take the the
IMDb uh one hundred list, flipit upside down, you know, look
at it from the other way,and you look at you just compare the
movies that everyone thinks are bad.Eventually you find the best of the worst,

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and that is that is The Room. Yeah. Like, but I
feel so bad because I don't wantto just say that it's like the worst
movie of all time, because hereally did try, like and I,
yeah, I commend him, Butat the end of that day, that's

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that's like a hard thing to do, you know, Like to make a
movie, like I wouldn't know thefirst fucking thing about making a movie,
and you know the fact that hejust decided like all right, I'm just
gonna do it. You know.Yeah, I think it's pretty impressive honestly,
But you know, look at itthis way. Critics are critics for

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a reason. They're harsh. They'llsay things are bad, but what matters
at the end of the day theaudience. Yes, And to tie back
in to the disaster artist. Oncethey finished finally trudging through and surviving the
making of the of the Room,you know, it goes on to have
its big premiere. Everyone sees itand the all the actors and they think,

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you know, as they're watching whatthey just made the final cut,
they think it's the worst movie ever. But then what happens. The movie
ends and the theater goes fucking wildbecause it was bad but it was funny,
Yeah, and they ended up lovingit. Yeah. Again, It's

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like there's something to be said aboutlike a bad movie because like, sure,
the you can the story might becrap, like there may be no
story, no plot, zero characterdevelopment, but like if you can get
a good laugh out of it,which there there were quite a few laughs.

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If I'm gonna be completely honest,whether it was intentional or not,
there were laves. Yeah. Soto go back to another scene that we
have to talk about because you canthis is the scene I thought you were
gonna say, no, no,no, I had I had to build

(42:58):
to it, had to build toit. Okay, I got you,
I got you know. Yeah,you need just live little little little tease
because and I think it's probably themost famous scene from the movie. I
think it's the scene truly. Itis the scene when uh, Johnny finds
out that Lisa is telling lies abouthim because she, while you know,

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having the affair, she's trying tofind it an easy way out of it.
So it's Tommy really drunk. Shegets Johnny really drunk. Who mind
you, Johnny. He doesn't drinkand knows that, but she gets Hi
drunk, and I believe that cuesthe second or third sex montage and where

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she gets him drunk enough that hedoesn't remember, and then she goes around
telling people that they had a goodtime. So they were celebrating. Were
they celebrating their anniversary? Yes?And so she gets him drunk and then
the next day she goes around tellingpeople that they had fun, but Tommy

(44:06):
Johnny hit her. Oh my god, it is so hard to keep Johnny
and Tommy straight. Tommy Johnny,those are your two options. They sound
exactly the same, which might tieback into the autobiographical theory that you know,
if it's it's almost the same name, it's probably based on him.

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So Johnny finds out that Lisa's tellinglies, and he walks onto the roof
and he says the famous line,are you ready, I'm ready? I
did not hit her. It's nottrue. It's bullshit. I did not
hit her. I did not Ohhi, Mark, perfect spot on,

(44:54):
and he just he just delivers itso I don't even think there's a word
for it. But it's just sogoofy, so silly, so downright wrong,
you know, like the way hisvoice is and where he puts all

(45:15):
the inflections in all the wrong places, that this bullshit I did not hit
her, I didn't, Oh hi, Mark, Like he just brushes it
off and he keeps going. Thedisaster Artist scene for Nominal was absolutely fucking

(45:40):
phenomenal, and like, truly,that might be one of the best parts
of the movie because it's it's thebuild they they talk about how you know
he had to do like multiple takesbecause like he didn't know his lines.
He was the star of the fuckingmovie and he didn't know his lines.

(46:00):
You couldn't you know who also didn'tknow their lines prior to filming? Who
take a wild guess, like avery critically acclaimed actor who like has played
multiple roles, very heavy roles,did not know did not learn his lines

(46:24):
for for before a role. Andis this person in either the room or
the disaster artist? No? No, is it? Is it? I
don't know? I really I haveno guesses. Okay. Uh. The

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Godfather himself, Marlon Brando Radar neverlearned his lines. He would just picture.
There is a picture on the Internetof a shot, a picture of
somebody taking a photo while they arefilming The Godfather and the guy standing in

(47:13):
front of Marlon Brando has a Qcard taped to his fucking stomach so that
Marlon Brando can read his lines.Because this was his reasoning, was because
he if he learned his lines,then they wouldn't come out like he was
saying them for the first time,which I understand, but that only works

(47:37):
in a movie setting. You know, you can't really do that on the
stage. You can't really do thatwith a live studio audience or anything like
that. It's very movie specific.Well are you ready for this one?
Oh hit me teleprompters, because that'svery true specifically. The example I'm thinking

(48:01):
of is on SNL on the WeekendUpdate, Colin Jost and guests don't always
know what they're gonna say. That'strue, that's true. That's a good
point. M Okay, yeah,no, I respect it. But you
know it's it's it's to me.It's going back to the room. Like,

(48:22):
you know, he was the director, he was the producer, he
was the writer. He wrote thesame thing. He wrote the fucking script,
like and he didn't even know whathe wrote. And so in The
Disaster Artist, when they built itup after like so many fucking takes and
just going through roles and rolls offilm and then he finally gets it,

(48:45):
but he has a fucking water bottlein his hands. That Yeah, that
was the best part about that scenein uh, in the Disaster Artist is
they're trying to get Tommy to somehowremember this goddamn line and somehow make it
right. So he so he likesit and he's happy with the way he
says it. And what do theydo. They give him a fucking water

(49:07):
bottle. Go here, just takethis, go out, do it again.
And then it's the magic of thewater bottle. He takes it,
he go, he enters onto thethe rooftop, says the line, throws
the water bottle. Oh hi,Mark, And somehow that got him to

(49:30):
get it. And that's the takethat they went with, Like that was
the one. Truly like, Ithis movie, bro, like it really

(49:52):
it really has like a hold onme because oh, man, like there
there is a deep part in methat wants to find something good. Yeah.
It is very yes, it's veryhard. Yeah, but I understand
why you you really want to tryto find something in this movie to hold

(50:15):
on to, to claim that,oh no, it's just because everyone else
is it's bad, it's not becauseof this part. And yeah, you
do try to hang on to hopebecause at the end of the day,
we're artists and we remember that Tommyis also an artist and he wanted to
create something. That's really what itcomes down to, man, And like,

(50:38):
you know, I really want tostand by the idea of like,
you know, they wrote it fora reason, that nothing is done by
accident. They did it specifically fora reason, and you know, I
really want to stand by that.But sometimes you get the room, you

(51:01):
spend every penny you can. Sometimesyou get that then and then you get
the room. Start start a memeabout that, like sometimes just do the
room, like you know, liketaking the room. Speaking of memes,
actually, do you know what timeit is? I believe it's time for

(51:24):
the meme minute. Oh yeah,let's do it. Let's do it.
So there we had already talked,talked about a couple that I wrote down
for the meme minute. There.There's obviously the that's bullshit. I did
not tint her, I did notoh high Mark. There was the oh

(51:47):
hi Doggie, thanks by like.But another one, which is another huge
one that I think we need toaddress, is if I may please,
you're tearing me up part Lisa,And it just it's that that itself,

(52:12):
that quote was a note I hadbecause it was just him. It's Johnny
or Tommy as Johnny giving his mostvisceral performance, and I think he was
trying. He definitely was trying toembody and almost replicate Marlon Brando in a
street car named Desire, which tiesus back into the Disaster Artist because you

(52:45):
know that scene, Tommy sees itand he really he takes it and runs
with it, you know. SoI definitely believe that that was his homage
to his inspirations. Yeah, definitely. And then it's not not so much
a meme as it's more of like, you know, why Denny Danny,

(53:13):
Yeah, can we you know,it's like he's just he's just there.
Yeah, And yeah, that thatwas a quick meme minute, but you
know, it's it's not something thatyou know, I was making rounds on
the internet today. But if it, if it ever does, I guarantee
that there will be a lot morememes made about it. But yeah,

(53:37):
but Danny, he's just he's he'sliving in that apartment building. And also
and and Johnny's paying for his apartmentbecause he feels bad because Danny doesn't have
parents. Another another pod that isjust never later on, and then like

(54:00):
the weird sexual tension between Denny andLisa, Like that was another note I
had that at one point Denny whoAnd I don't know if Denny necessarily sees
Tommy as a father figure, butI believe sees Johnny as a father figure,
but Johnny definitely sees Denny as likea pseudo son. Yeah. And

(54:24):
then it's really weird because at onepoint Denny goes to Johnny and Denny's like,
I'm in love with Lisa. Iwant to get married to her,
and I don't have babies with her, which is like really edifice. Rex
of the guy was that, youknow, if we follow that weird pseudo

(54:45):
son father relationship, that would thenmake Lisa his step mom, you know,
or you know, like adoptive mom. Yeah, and and having those
feelings about a mother figure from thatperspective is really really whack. Yeah,

(55:08):
which really makes me think, likehow deep is this movie? Like you
know, like on the surface,it's not presented well, but like how
how much thought actually went into likethe script, because like it can,

(55:29):
it has all of these layers andit's it just keeps going like I thought
it was never gonna end, truly, Like I I when I watched it,
I swiped my my mouse away frommy computer and I wasn't looking at
the timer, just waiting for itto go off, and I was just
like, is this ever gonna end? Like it does keep going, and

(55:52):
and it makes no sense in theway that fucking Tommy wrote it, because
your things seemingly don't you know,or very loosely connect to the to its
following scenes. Yeah, and youknow with the amount of plot holes that
this man left zero golden string theoryto tie this all together, zero,

(56:16):
absolutely none, none. And itjust blows my mind because then, you
know, you go from one sceneof Lisa's mom her name is Claudette,
telling Lisa that she has cancer,and Lisa just casually brushes it off,

(56:37):
like, oh, yeah, mymom is cancer, but like I'm not
in love with Johnny anymore. Andit's like, girl, your mom just
said she has fucking breast cancer.I it's the it's the enigma of this
movie, bro, truly, likeno words, no words, Yeah,

(57:05):
how sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonnakeep going because this ship. Yeah,
by all means, I just I'vereached the end of my notes, so
whatever whatever you got, I'm it'sjust my thoughts and live notes I took
as I watched the movie. Thenlike after we hear about the breast cancer
and then never talk about it again, we were, uh, we're taken

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to the rooftop and we see Dennytalking to this guy, Chris R.
I totally forgot are the fight.This guy comes out of nowhere, and
I just love that for some reason, everyone refers to him as Chris R.
Every time. Who's the other Chris? Who's the other Chris that they

(57:53):
need to reference him as Chris R? Or maybe he just maybe Chris Are
just has so much street cred becausehe's the thug that that Denny owes money
to. Yeah, and it's justhe out of nowhere. Chris R Is
like, Denny, you owe mea lot of money, YadA, YadA,

(58:14):
YadA, and your Denny was tojust be a kid. And he's
like, I can't get you thismoney. And then Chris R whips out
a gun, whips out a fuckingpistol mm hmmm, and without hesitation,
threatens to kill Danny yep twice twicetwice had two different occasions. And did

(58:36):
you notice that that was like oneof his only lines was where's my give
me my fucking money, Denny?Or where's my fucking money Denny? Yeah?
Yeah, he says it. Hesays it like a million times in
both scenes that and it's like oneof his only lines, like that it
is all. It's all Tommy gavehim. Yeah, didn't. Chris R

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was not a fully fleshed out character. No, but also fun fact,
Chris R in The Disaster Artist isplayed by Uh. I was gonna say
Josh Hutcherson, But Josh Hutcherson inThe Disaster Artist plays Danny Denny. Oh,

(59:22):
I should have written this down.Who plays Chris R in The Disaster
Artist? Sorry? Hold on disasteras cass go enter John Early. Oh.

(01:00:00):
I thought it was like some likeactual like named actor. I thought
it was a funny guest spot.But no, I guess it is just
John Early. Hey, he's donequite a bit of ship though. Good
for John Early, glice actor.But yes, I had it switched to

(01:00:25):
my head for for a hot second. I thought Josh Hutcherson was Chris R.
But he is Denny. Yeah.Oh, I know. I did
watch the Room the other night,but I have not watched The Disaster Artists
in a minute. Mhm, oh, is that what it was? Wait?

(01:01:07):
What it was zach Efron? Thankyou? Okay, okay, yes,
I was like, no, itis somebody, Yeah, yeah it
was zac Efron, thank you.Yep, like I know it is someone
with a name. Yes, thankyou, Andrew Santino, wasn't it you're

(01:01:37):
talking about. I gotta go backand rewatch the Disaster Artists. I gotta
see these fucking people, because likeI, I like know people now.
And so when I you know,now, when I first watched that,
I was like, oh, okay, you know, I know Seth Rogan
and like the Franco Brothers, whichis another cool thing, is like the
the Franco Brothers. I fucking lovethose guys. Those guys are crazy.

(01:01:59):
Yep. But Jane Franco kind oficky? Oh is he? Yes?
We I will, I will updateyou, Okay, all right, I
don't know Dave Brands and feedback donot James Frank ye putting that up.

(01:02:19):
Okay. The Little Brother I believeis okay, okay, but Chance Franco
bad Okay, no way, no. But yeah, The Room and and
the Disaster Artists double feature The Roomand the Disaster Artist. Yeah, what
a what a movie, Tommy Wizzo, what a guy? Mm hmm yeah,

(01:02:46):
truly the greatest bad movie ever made. Yep. And I and and
I'm sorry, I don't like you. I don't feel bad about calling a
bad movie because at its core,you know, while while Temmy had a
dream, at the end of theday, he made the Room. Yeah,

(01:03:07):
it is what it is. Youknow. I'm forgive me for trying
to find the good and things.No, no, please, please do.
But do know that if when thathappens someone, you know, if
you're gonna be the good cop,I gotta be the bad cop. Fair
Enough, fair Enough is an angeland the devil. Yeah exactly. But
yeah, that's the Room and theDisaster Artist. People. So before we

(01:03:30):
wrap up, I picked the trailerfor Bobby to watch this week. Sorry
not Bobby, I picked the trailerfor Robbie to watch this week. And
uh, it's it's a doozy.It's a doozy. It's a good one.
So I'm sorry. Can you screenshare? Oh yeah, let me just

(01:03:50):
do that. Hell yeah, edit, might have to cut out the audio
for Copyright Ship, but yeah,no we can. We can just cut
it out. Oh okay, bRB folks. So that was the trailer

(01:04:15):
for A Quiet Place Day one.Oh my god, I had not seen
that before just now mm hmmm,so one, thank you? Uh and
Holy Ship? Yeah, oh mygod, I'm looking forward to that one.
I loved a quiet place one thefirst one. What a. Oh

(01:04:44):
wow, I'm glad we're getting aprequel. And that's what That's what I'm
saying, and like it's it's gonnabe loud. It's gonna be a nice
loud movie, you know. Soit's gonna be uh, it's gonna be
cool to to get you know,the same monsters, same world, but
from a different perspective, and earlyon in the in the situation of the

(01:05:09):
you know, of the invasion andstuff like that. So it's it's gonna
be really really cool. I'm superduper excited for it. And was that
Joseph Quinn that I noticed? Correct? She was in US? Yes?
And Lupita, Oh my god,I'm blanking on her name, and oh

(01:05:31):
my god, I'm so white thatI don't know how to say it.
But but you know her, youlove her? Yes? What a?
And of course John Krasinski and EmilyBlunt and just why Yeah, that's gonna
be such a good movie. Yeah. I think it'd be cool if they

(01:05:53):
did like parallels, kind of likeflash forwards and flashback. So like we
we mainly follow the prequel section,but then maybe we see some things like
building of of like John Krasinski inhis timeline Lupita nuang, Oh, I

(01:06:15):
looked up a pronunciation and I probablybutchered it, but at least I tried.
Yes, yeah, what Lupita nango? Thank you? Yes, she
deserves her flowers. She's so we'lldefinitely be seeing that. Yeah, we'll

(01:06:36):
probably in the future view A QuietPlace review because it's a very good movie.
Oh yeah, there's a lot totalk about there. We should do
a rewatch of A Quiet Place Partone and two, and then we're like
right after, like right before themovie comes out, and then we go

(01:06:57):
and see the movie and then werecord the episode. Of course. Yeah,
that would be the way to doit. That cool. Also coming
up, we got Mowana Io andAction YEP and the live action Wicked.
Wicked just dropped their trailer during theSuper Bowl yesterday and dude, looks amazing.

(01:07:26):
So we got some good movies thatwe're gonna have to catch up with.
So it looks like four will bea good year for movies. Oh
yeah, yeah maybe maybe. Uhnot not many Oscar noms yet, but
we'll see, we'll hear about them. We'll see who Yeah, exactly.

(01:07:46):
But yeah, folks, thank youso much for for listening in on the
Room and the disaster artists. Whenwhen Robbie and I were first talking about
making this podcast, I was like, we have to do the Room.
They were like, we would starta movie review podcast and not talk about
the Room within the first five episodesexactly. So thank you for listening.

(01:08:11):
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