February 24, 2025 • 59 mins
We are back B-oo's Crew! After a long break, we continue the story of one of the worst people in history. Gerard John Schaefer, finally realizing his failures takes a job in law enforcement, what could go wrong? We follow him through his time as an officer in florida and his inevitable capture and jail time.
Join us as we venture back to the 1980's and talk, breakdiwn and cringe at just about everything this man does. Prepare yourself, next week we will be disussing his crimes and what he did to get his name among the worst in all of history!
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Join us as we venture back to the 1980's and talk, breakdiwn and cringe at just about everything this man does. Prepare yourself, next week we will be disussing his crimes and what he did to get his name among the worst in all of history!
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, everybody, and welcome back to for the.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Booze, For the Booze, Oh the Booze. We are Mac.
It's been a minute, I will say it's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
A couple of months.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We've had some life things happen. We have. If you
want to know all about it, joined the Patreo. That's right,
because that's where we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't want to get into it again. But we
are back and we are going to continue the story
of this lovely man, John Shaver about lovely. Yeah, he sucks,
he does suck. He's a terrible person. Yes, the killer
cop of uh poor Saint Lucy.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I have to think about that in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's been a little while. I even wrote this one
a little while ago. Yeah, but we're back and we
are going to tell this story. It may be two
more parts after this.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I believe that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
We're not even really getting into the the bulk of
his crime yet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, which my lovely husband over here has dubbed that to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Me to read because I think it's funny. It sounds
funnier coming from you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Why does that sound funnier? It's gross stuff either way,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Somebody out there will get it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know, it's pretty funny whatever, I don't mind. Yeah,
I love.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I mean, so we're gonna we're gonna jump into this.
It's not going to get any better. It's just not
so again, I have to put out a warning don't
listen to this with your kids or anything. This is
not going to be a kid friendly episode. And I'm
also not going to addit stuff out anymore. I'm not
doing it. Okay, you know, if YouTube doesn't like it,
(02:17):
they'll let me know. Oh okay, you know, because look,
we're all adults here, you know. So it's up to you.
If you listen to it around people who don't need
to hear it, that's on you, not us.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
We've told you, yes, ear muffs for the littles, or
send them away. They probably don't.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, you probably don't want them to hear it at all.
But let's jump into this glorious too. Now. When we
last left Schaeffer, he was divorced, fired from his teaching job,
(02:55):
and had his mind made up that all women needed
to be dealt with. And that was just the beginning
of the story. From here on is where the real
terror of the Killer Cop begins, Oh God, terrible guy.
After a rocky marriage, Schaeffer's parents divorced in September of
nineteen sixty nine, Just as he returned to Florida Atlantic University.
(03:17):
Three days after classes convened on September eighth, a mysterious
fate overtook a former neighbor, the object of his teenage
lust and rage. Oh my god. Now Lee Hanline had
married Charles bonnad boned Bonnard's Bonadie Bonadies, I don't know
(03:37):
on August twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. That was a
rocky union from the start, with frequent fights. One subject
of contention was Lee's story that her childhood neighbor and
sometime tennis partner had offered her a twenty thousand dollars
salary to join the CIA. Now Charles laughed at the
idea and told her to forget it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What less work of a CIA. Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Less than a month later, on September eighth, he came
home to find a note from Lee saying that she
had gone to Miami. She never came back, and her
car was later found in a Fort Lauderdale parking lot.
Lee's brother would go on to call Shaeffer and Herd
the strange story. He said that Lee had called him
(04:21):
to say that she was leaving Charles and asked him
for a ride to the airport where she meant to
catch a flight to Cincinnati. Now, Shaeffer says that he agreed,
but Lee never called back with a departure time. I
don't believe him, m M. I do believe that this.
He's never admitted to killing her, Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why would she call him not her husband or her
brother or someone a whole lot closer than a freaking neighbor.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think it's pretty well agreed that he made her disappear. Yeah,
but he's never admitted to it. I don't think he's
admitted to a lot of crimes, honestly.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think that's even worse. You're going to if you're
going to do it, say you did it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sometimes that's the you know, the disconnect with them is
like if they don't talk about it, they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know, but you definitely still did.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
We think we There's no way to be sure, like
one hundred percent unless he tells you, you know, but
I think he did it well and Charles filed for
divorce on October sixth. His petition was granted on March tenth,
nineteen seventy. Nothing more was ever heard of Lee until
her jewelry mysteriously surfaced at Dora Schaeffer's home in April
of nineteen seventy three. Her fate still remains unknown.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
How did our jewelry show up?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, that's the thing. So you know he's a serial
killer and they keep trophy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That is exactly where my mind was. That is a trophy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That is a trophy.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yep. Either locks of hair, clothes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
With hair, that's gross. Well, we've seen it before, Protagonia, shrine.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Like art, underwear like specifically, yeah, clothing.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A lot of times it'll be like Id's jewelry, underwear.
It's always a big thing. Yeah, I just go upstairs
for yours brother. Eh, what's that? What's that? Brother? Schaeffer's
second try at student teaching didn't go any better than
(06:27):
the first. FAU administrators placed him at Stranahan High School,
but supervisor Richard Goodheart removed him on November eleventh, nineteen
sixty nine, after a series of classroom misconducts now good
Heart recalled quote I told him when he left that
he'd better never let me hear of his trying to
get a job with any authority over the people, or
(06:49):
I do anything I could to see that he didn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, that's pretty serious. Well, if you remember it, not,
he should never work.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you remember from the when he had the same issue. Yeah,
you know, because he couldn't stop, you know, pushing his
views and his ideas has.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Been to It was mostly it was a college.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, it was mostly politics, and he couldn't stop himself
from pushing his ideas onto kids. And the school didn't
want that. They wanted him to be a teach teacher.
You know. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Oh you have a teaching job. They want you to
teach and not preach about your idealss I mean what concept.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The next to disappear from Broward County was Carmen Marie Hallick,
a twenty two year old cocktail waitress. She had lunch
with her sister in law on December eighteenth, nineteen sixty nine,
discussing a date she had planned for that evening. Hallick
said she was meeting a teacher who had offered her
a job involving quote, some kind of undercover work for
the government. Now, this position featured international travel and lots
(07:54):
of money.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh you don't say the same type of job offered
to this woman.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I do say, that's kind of his mo is that.
I don't know. He was like, you want to work
for the CIA. He's a weird guy. Man. I wonder
saying the CIA back then was different than today though.
This was like a you know, today, you'd be like
narc Back then, I mean, you were still a nark,
but it was like a prestigious thing. Right, Yeah, it
(08:22):
is still prestigious, don't get me wrong, but it's just
how the public viewed it then versus now.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right. But my thinking is, like these two women and
this almost same job offer quote unquote, I mean any
but the CIA.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We all know it's him, Like he is he.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Making these phone calls like as someone from the CIA.
I don't think random people job I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't think so. But I do think he's claiming
to work for the CIA and offering jobs to women
to please get them alone and travel with him, you know,
the bad guy. Now. Halick missed work the next night,
and when she had not been seen by Christmas Day,
her relatives used a spare key to check her apartment.
They found the bathtub full and her dog unfed. Hallick's
(09:08):
car was found in a nearby parking lot a few
days later. When Schaeffer's stash of souvenirs was seized in
nineteen seventy three, police recovered two of Hallick's gold filled
teeth and a shamrock pin identified by her family, and
her body has never been found to this day. Just
like Lee Hanlin.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trophies trophound car found in.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Park these are two women that don't know each other,
but both of their things were collected as souvenirs and
found at his mother's house.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So disgusting.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'll let you determine how you feel about it, but
I know for me, I'm probably for you. He probably
killed these ladies. I could only imagine. And when we
get into the things that he does to these women,
it's it's mortifying. He does awful, awful, awful things.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I don't even I don't know what he has done
to these women.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yet it's good. It's like every woman tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Sit in that apartment and starve.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Such a bad dude, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah now. In March nineteen seventy Shaeffer petitioned FAU administrators
to alter his records, changing the November withdrawal to a
quote incomplete and allowing him to resume study. They agreed,
and Shaeffer returned as a full time student along with
his wife. Now the marriage was doomed, though, Martha filed
(10:31):
for divorce on May second, citing Schaeffer's extreme cruelty. I
can only imagine, and so this is what his second
marriage already. Yeah, he's not even on a college yet.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Poor mirtha, Mirtha, Martha, Poor Mirtha.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He rebounded with a month's vacation in Europe and North Africa,
including trips into the Sahara Desert. Schaeffer would later boast
of victims quote on three continents, and while given his
the claim might be plausible. However, no slayings outside the
US have ever been confirmed. By October nineteen seventy To
(11:09):
make tuition money, Shaeffer was working as a security guard
at Florida Light in Power FLP. We used to pay them.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, it's actually FPL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now there he met Secretary Teresa Dean and they became engaged.
This dude is constantly engaged tying the knot soon after
Schaeffer's August nineteen seventy one graduation from FAU with a
bachelor's degree in geography. It was useless without a teaching credential,
(11:38):
but Schaeffer had chosen a new career path, having failed
to quote do right as a priest or teacher. Because
I remember he was also a priest.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, do you remember he set.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
His sights on law enforcement. This is honestly probably where
a lot of dislike for law enforcement stems from his
stuff like this. Don't get me again, don't get me wrong.
I know that there are a lot of bad cops,
but there are also a lot of really good cops.
You know. I'm don't stone me in the comments or anything,
but I am a supporter of the police. We need them,
(12:09):
you know. They restore law and order. And while every
walk of life will have good people and bad people.
I'm sure some of this is where dislike of law
enforcement comes in.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And I think nowadays, like in now times compared to
in the seventies, there was a lot more corruption back then,
way more, whereas now it's few and far between.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
There's still a lot of corruption, it's just done differently.
But the you know, invention of the Internet has put
more things out on front street. You're able to reach
a lot more people and tell them what's going on.
So like you know, back then, you communicated through long
distance phone calls and handwritten letters. It's just how we
(13:00):
did things, you know, faxing. But now you can reach
pretty much anybody in the world like that. So it's
harder to get away with things like that. But I
don't know, it's there's still as much corruption, it's just different.
Hired by the Wilton Manors Police Department on September third,
nineteen seventy one, Schaeffer was sent back to Broward Community College,
(13:23):
this time to the school's police Academy. Though now he
failed to disclose the fact that he had twice been
fired from student teaching positions within the previous year, instead
falsely claiming to have acquired two years experience as a
research assistant at FAU and to have recently returned to
the US from Morocco. Shaeffer's previous work history was never.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Verified always verify.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Again though different times, and even if they did verify,
it's not like nowadays where you can just nowadays you
can almost get you hire people, you can get almost
an instant hite on somebody.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You can send something out and within ten minutes they
could be like, that's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I just like, I've only been in management for under
two years at this point. It's been about a year
and a half home modest manager ever, but like I
just recently started doing like interviews and things, you know,
within the last year and a half or so, And
it did not take long for me to like do
maybe ten interviews, and then I could start to see
(14:27):
those things where I'm like, yeah, I know I want
to pass.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, they're the you know, personality traits.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, it's either personality or just like fits, like are
they going to you know kind of fit? Do they
have what it takes kind of thing? I don't know.
But it did not take long for me to be
like yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Because and especially like when you work people side by
side all the time, Yeah, you pick up on those
personality traits that may or may not meld with the
other people that you've worked with for years, so you'll
just kind of no absolutely, so yeah, I mean you're
doing it could always verify doing a good job. Thanks
b Now he graduated on December seventeenth, nineteen seventy one,
(15:07):
and hit the streets to begin his six month probationary term.
Schaeffer was just twenty five years old at this point.
He was on the job barely three weeks before another
local woman disappeared. Belinda Hutchins was another twenty two year
old cocktail waitress married to a drug addict, who later
told police that she quote had her own lifestyle and
(15:32):
quote did what she wanted to do. Girl, she's twenty two, man,
do your thing. She is arrested for prostitution in November
nineteen seventy She had paid two hundred and fifty dollars
fine at Fort Lauderdale. Now there were no more arrests,
but Hutchins was known to have flaunted her extramarital affairs.
So she cheated a lot then.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Talked about it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, she didn't, she didn't care who knew, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't know if I'm on board to call that girl, But.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Look, people live different lives. Not if her old man, sorry,
I know kids don't like that. If her ever boyfriend
or whoever knew about it, and he was fine with it,
and it is what it is, right, you live the
life you're going to live. I don't know what else
to say.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I wonder if the extramarital affairs tied into the prostitution. Maybe.
I don't know, but that tends to be more of
a job and not.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's two
separate things. I think she did sex work on the
side and but had boyfriends other than her boyfriend, So
I don't think they're referring to the same thing now.
In January fifth, nineteen seventy two, her husband and two
year old daughter watched her climb into a Blue Dots
(16:47):
in Sedan, a strange man at the wheel, and vanished
from their lives forever. In nineteen seventy three, the search
of Doris Schaeffer's home revealed an address book containing the name, address,
and phone number of Blinda's husband. Days later, he identified
Shaffer's Blue Donson as the car that took Bolinda on
her last ride. No other trace of her was found
(17:11):
and no charges wherever filed, so.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
They identified the car.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But then we're like, eh, but think think about all
the evidence you have to have nowaday nowadays, you still
had to have that back then. But it was harder
to get. Yeah, I mean you probably didn't have to
have as much as today, but just somebody saying that's
the car, Yeah, that's the guy. It's not it's not enough,
(17:36):
it's it wouldn't be enough today. I know. You know,
fortunately cops aren't going to convict somebody with hopes. You know,
it has to be it has to be set.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I totally get it, but I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It does, and he's basically caught red handed. But there's
sometimes it's just it's it's just out of reach. It
happens in Wilton man Or. Shaffer's proved himself as poorly
suited police work as he had been for the classroom. Surprising. Yeah,
the Chief, Bernard Scott told reporters quote, he used poor judgment,
(18:08):
did dumb things. I didn't want him around now. Colleagues
called Schaeffer badge happy, obsessed with writing traffic tickets. Sounds
like a Florida policeman if from.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Being honest, agreed.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ex FBI agent Robert Wrestler claims that Schaeffer stopped young
women and ask them out on dates. Years later, detectives
asserted that one of those women, never publicly identified, vanished forever.
Soon after patrolman Schaeffer stopped your car, the Chief Scott
was ready to fire Schaefer on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy two,
(18:42):
when Schaeffer surprised him by winning a commendation for a
drug arrest. It saved his job, but only briefly. The quote,
dumb mistakes continued, and Scott called him in for their
last talk on April nineteen. I think he set up
that drug arrest. Yeah, probably, who get that accommodation? That's
(19:06):
my theory. Schaeffer begged for another chance, quote almost with
tears in his eyes, and as Scott relented. The next day,
Scott learned that Schaeffer had applied for a job with
the Broward County Sheriff's Department, and he fired Schaeffer on
the spot. There would be no Broward County badge for Schaeffer.
(19:26):
But we don't call him the killer com for nothing. Now.
He failed the department's mandatory psychological exam and was rejected.
Now I want to stop here what I'm reading and
just remind you this is the man who murdered, mutilated,
and fornicated with dead cows. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I do?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, this is this is a Scott. I am not
surprised that he failed the psychological exam. That just doesn't
shock me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Would shock me if he did.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I I just had to point that out because that's
all I can now. That is all I can associate
with this man. Yeah, you know it's I have some
statements I could make, but there's not very appropriate. So
the applications to other local departments had Chief Scott's telephone
ringing off the hook in Wilton Manners. He later recalled quote,
(20:24):
I told them I would put on a uniform and
walk the streets myself before I would have him back.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Mm fair good man.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
On June thirtieth, nineteen seventy two, Schaeffer was hired by
Sheriff Richard Crowder in Martin County. Now he came with
a glowing letter of recommendation from Chief Bernard Scott of
the Wilton Manners PD, But just a month later Crowder
checked the letter out and discovered it was a forgery. Yeah,
I would, because there is no way.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He'd be like, yeah, he's a great guy, but I
want him to work absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No is no way a man. Nobody knows for sure why,
but it was at this time that Schaeffer got bored
of killing victims singly. He later wrote that quote, doing
doubles is far more difficult than doing singles. But on
the other hand, it also puts one in a position
(21:19):
to have twice as much fun.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh my, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Nope, nope, I don't even know, because I know the
things that he did, and it's just creepy to hear
that he put it that way.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And like, if you're in too true crime, you know
that most serial killers or most just murderers in general,
tend to shy away from talking about it. People from
two people, oh, from double victims, Yeah, yeah, from a
crime with two victims, Like, it's messy, it's a lot.
It's like you can only imagine, like you're trying to
(22:04):
struggle with one like what's well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's you know, that's where the devil tree comes in.
Oh Jesus, you know, that's that's where we get the
story of that from. And we'll find out when you
read that next week.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Now, there can be some lively discussions about which of
the victims will get to be killed first. When you
have a pair of I'm going to read this, this
is obviously not not my feelings of any of this.
So I'm just gonna let you know. I'm going to
read this, but this isn't me. When you have a
pair of teenage bimbos bound hand and foot and ready
(22:42):
for a session with the skinning knife, neither one of
the little devils wants to be the one to go first,
and they don't mind telling you quickly why their best
friend should be the one to die. Oh God, So
he wasn't just taking two girls. He was taking best friends.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like sisters. Like I don't super connected it life.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I can't remember if if there were any sisters, but
I know he would take best friends and he would
play a little game where he would make them plead
for him to kill the other one and let them go,
and then he did other things to them that we'll
get into at some point, not yet. He's gross. He's
really gross. He is a really gross guy. We cannot
(23:26):
for sure know when Schaeffer started doing doubles, as he
called it. Seven years after the fact, his name was
linked to the disappearance of twenty one year old Nancy
Lehner and twenty year old Pamela and Nader Panella's County
residents who vanished on a nineteen sixty six picnic trip
in the O'cala National Forest.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Hey, weaen know where that is.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I grew up going there. I mean I went. I
grew up going to the O'cala National Forest, because anybody
wants to know. I grew up in O'calla, Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I lived there for five years and that is where we.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Met and he did some stuff. Now the case remains unsolved,
of course, and both women are still missing. A better
case exists for Shaffer's involvement in the murders of nine
year old Peggy ran An eight year old Wendy Stevenson
in Pompenham Beach. Both vanished from their beach home on
(24:21):
December twenty ninth, nineteen seventy literal just childrenine and eight children,
little children, Oh my god. A day later, a clerk
at a nearby convenience store reported a man buying ice
cream for two young girls on the previous afternoon. That
clerk identified photos of Peggy and Wendy, describing their companion
(24:42):
as a white man in his twenties, six feet tall,
around two hundred pounds. Dead ringer R Gerard John Shaffer now,
the girls remain missing, and Shaeffer was never charged, though
prosecutors publicly accused him of the crime in nineteen seventy three.
Schaeffer denied the slings publicly, but later confessed in a
letter dated April nineteen April nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, but this is all right.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So this is another aside note for him, is that
it's been proven that, like he's faked a lot of
information and he and he's left out stuff. He's lied
about things, so he's like added things in but left
out the truth. And so with him, he's a real
charming dude. Like he's a good talker. He's like a
(25:29):
Ted Bundy, you know, which if we remember Ted Bundy
drew inspiration inspiration from him.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So, like it's hard to know what he did and
didn't do. It's just it's hard. He's just one of
those people. And a lot of serial killers are those
kind of people. They're charming. That's how they get away
with this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
The Laurel Laurel lure people in. Yeah, and how they
get him to trust them, to go with them, to
you know, befriend to them. I guess it's.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
When you have that kind of charm about you. People
tend to trust you, which is how these serial killers
back in the day got away with the stuff, because
you know, they have that gift of gab, and they
don't come across as evil or you know, they don't
seem threatening, but they are. And that's you know, when
I was a kid, I specifically don't really remember people
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talking to me about the dangers of strangers, the stuff
we talk about now. It's because of stuff like this,
because a lot of people they never knew that these
people were bad people until they got caught. Everybody would
say that they're they're good people.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Shaefer here, he didn't have the best record, don't get
me wrong, but people still liked him. Yeah, you know,
until he creeped him out. Now he wrote quote, I'm
annoyed by all this murder talk. Peggy and Wendy just
happened along at a time when I was curious about
eighteen thirties cannibal Albert fishes craving for the flesh of
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young girls. I assure you these girls were not molested.
I found both of them very satisfactory, particularly with salt,
hay onions and peppers.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So he's claiming to have eaten them. Oh, my god.
And I mean we all know who Albert Fish is.
He's uh, he's like the og cannibal.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah. If you don't know who Albert Fish is, do
not look him up. It is mean.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
If you don't know who he is, look, it's so gross.
He's disgusting. He's besides Stellmer. He is probably the most
famous cannibal case. And he did. I don't I'll never
cover him. I mean there's every true crime podcast in
the world has covered him. You can go listen to anybody.
I would suggest last podcast on the Left, they did
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a great episode on it. Very demented dude from the thirties,
and people trusted him. Here we Go was charming people
he came across. People called him a friendly, old grandfatherly
figure and would let their kids go off with him.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And those were his victims.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And those were his victims. Yeah. The Schaeffer was free
on bond awaiting trial for the Trotter Wells abduction in
Martin County when his next known victims were murdered on
September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy two. The double slaying of
Susan Place and Georgia Jessup would land him in prison
for life and would be the only murders for which
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he was ever actually tried. What the only ones two? Yeah,
that's it. Yes, And if you go back to our
first episode, I believe at some point I'd put up
the picture of those girls. Those are the only two girls,
the only two people that he was tried and convicted for.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So that's what he I can't remember if he's dead
or not now, I don't remember. But those are the
only ones that he got caught up on, which is
crazy to me because he has himself admitted. He admitted
to doing other crimes. But again, it's that burden of
you have to have evidence. It's just how the legal
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system works. And these people they're not stupid. They know
how to get away with stuff. He and not only that,
but he was law enforcement, so he really did have
an end with being able to make evidence disappear. And
you know, they're not stupid people, unfortunately, terrifying. If they were,
they would never get anywhere. Yeah. Less than four weeks
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after Place and Jessup vanished on October twenty third, fourteen
year old Mary Alice Briskolina and Elise Lena Farmer were
added to the missing person's list. Farmer's family reported her
missing on October twenty fourth, while Briscollina's waited another week,
assuming she had run away from home. Unfortunately that wasn't
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the case. A farmer skeletal remains were found on January seventeenth,
nineteen seventy three, just eight days after Shaeffer went to jail,
at a construction site near Plantation High School. My brother
used to living Plantation, right near the high school.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Briscolina was found a month later, on February fifteenth, just
two hundred yards away. Both girls were identified by their
dental records. Oh my god, so she was.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
She wasn't found for a while, but it was only
two hundred yards away. Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
We just didn't have the technology back then that we
have now.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean it's two football fields, which is if you
think about that far, it's really not that far, but
it is kind of far. I guess it's been like wilderness.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean, yes, they would have to walk a little bit,
I suppose. Now. Following the April search of Doris Shaeffer's home,
farmers relatives were able to identify a piece of jewelry
taken from the murdered girl. Shaeffer was never charged with
those murders, but he later admitted to the crimes. In
a letter to one of his published stories titled Quote
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Murder Demons on April ninth, nineteen ninety one, he wrote,
what crimes am I supposed to confess? Farmer Bristo Galina,
What do you think? Murder Demons is fiction? You want confessions,
but you don't recognize them when I anoint you with them.
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Ew he loves himself. He loves himself. I do not
like that he loves himself. You can tell by the
way he writes things that like he's very amused with him,
like he loves He really likes himself. And I find
that gross. The Schaefer was sentenced for the Trotter Wells
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assault in December nineteen seventy two, but he did not
actually enter jail until January fifteenth of nineteen seventy three,
one week earlier. Nineteen year old Iowa residents call it
good enough man. That's the crazy last name.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Good enough.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Good enough and Barbara and Willcox left Biloxi, Mississippi, hitchhiking
to Florida. Now, no trace of either girl was seen
until April, when searchers found evidence of their fate in
schaeffer stash. Of course, among the items retrieved were Barber's
driver's license, along with Collet's passport, diary, and a book
of poems. Now skeletal remains of both victims were found
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in Port Saint Lucy in January nineteen seventy seven, but
no cause of death could be found and no charges
were ever filed. How he constantly gets way with stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I don't understand that. But I also don't understand like
where it said it was December when he was charged,
but didn't go to jail until January. So if they
would have just put him in jail, he would these
two women would be alive.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yes, But dude, this one, this is what I'm saying,
Like you want to be like these people are stupid,
but they're not. They're so intelligent that like scary. Yeah,
because they're so scary. They literally really can get away
with murder. Literally they do it. He did it what,
like I don't know. Eight times now we all know
he did it, but again we need the evidence. But
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don't ever think that these people are you know, dumb.
They're not dumb, right, they are very smart, which is
how they get away with it. Unfortunately, now, Teresa Schaeffer
made her one and only prison visit on November seventeenth,
nineteen seventy three, to serve Gerard with divorce papers. Now
outside the walls. Reporters trumpeted that lawyer Elton Schwartz, age
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forty five, with dating Schaeffer's twenty one year old wife.
I don't care. He also handled Teresa's divorce and they
would be married on November thirtieth, with Schwartz announcing that
his client had suggested the arrangement.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So Schaeffer, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, whatever man now better for her?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, for sure, but like that's weird.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is weird now inmate Shaeffer, unfazed by at all,
maintained correspondence with Schwartz for several years afterwards, waiting nearly
a decade to charge the attorney with illegal malpractice. Meanwhile,
Schaeffer was busy exposing another conspiracy, claiming that he had
been framed by drug dealing lawman and Martin County prosecutors
(34:19):
due to delusional In Schaeffer's new story, he was framed
for killing quote two narcotics informants because he refused to
play ball with powerful drug lords. Ironically, one of Robert
Stone's aides was convicted of drug trafficking in the nineteen eighties,
but no evidence linked the case to Shaeffer's crimes. Of course,
because he's making it up. Schaeffer would ultimately file nineteen
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separate appeals, but each one of them was dismissed. In
nineteen eighty seven, a judgem went on to say, quote,
there has to be an end, a conclusion to litigation
and to the abuse of the judicial process. Defendant should
realize once and for all, the die is cast, the
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mold is made, the loaf is baked. Therefore the judgment
is final and forever the I like him. That's a
real f you from the judge, and I like it.
I like it now. These were strong words strengthened by
a state role board ruling that Schaeffer was ineligible for
release before February twenty seventeen. But still the hopeless lawsuits
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continued at the public's expense. But Shaefer would find other
ways to amuse himself.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
In nineteen seventy nine, he declared himself quote married to
a Filipina quote picture bride that the young woman appeared
in July nineteen eighty and moved in with Shaefer's father.
A marriage license materialized sans ceremony and was accepted by
authorities at Avon Park's minimum security prison. Several quote contact
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visits were permitted. You know what that means before Shaeffer's
wife got her green card in nineteen eighty five and
dropped him like a proverbial hot potato, good job girl,
because she was like, yo, he's gross. Yeah, and I
know what he did. A few weeks later, in September
nineteen eighty five, Shaeffer was accused of plotting an escape
from Avon Park and murder a hit list of victims
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including his ex wife, Elton Schwartz, Robert Stone, and Judge Towbridge.
The state police confirmed the plot and Schaeffer was sent
off to the maximum security at Stark, Home of Florida's Death.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Row by Siya Wow, yeah Okay. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Despite being closely watched, Shaeffer still managed to run a
mail fraud operation from his prison cell, collaborating with cohorts
outside to post ads and sex magazines, soliciting money from
various kinky tricks. To that end, Shaeffer adopted did various pseudonyms,
always female.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So gross, which that leads back to when he was
a kid and he always wanted to be a girl. Yeah,
because of the way his dad treated him.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Absolutely. Wow, It's it's always a full circle with these guys.
It's always a full circle. He became Mistress Felice, a dominatrix,
a prostitute, Jessica Zuriaga, Stern matron Miller, a husband killer
on death row, and so on. Some of his slaves
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paid cash for the privilege of washing Mistress Felice's soiled
panties delivered by mail for a price. Schaeffer also enjoyed
writing to inmates at other prisons, posing as the great
love of their lives, all while laughing behind their backs.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He is deranged, she.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Will get off for that kind of stuff. What's it's
not a good idea?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now. One such inmate, awaiting trial for murder, told Schaeffer
where his victim's body could be found, and Shaeffer relayed
the directions to police, landing his client on death row.
It was a deadly game, perhaps an extension of his
childhood death wish and he played it recklessly as if
he was untouchable. In nineteen eighty six, collaborating with police
(38:24):
from North Miami, Schaeffer created the identity of D. D. Kelly,
a fourteen year old prostitute who offered nude photos to
pet A fourteen but hold on. Responses to his ads
were collected by US Postal inspectors, but none of Shaeffer's
correspondents were prosecuted. He basically tried to Chris Hansen people,
(38:44):
but no I. Maybe that's bad comparison. Chris Hansen doesn't send.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
News no I.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But he's trying to help. He's trying. The police are
getting him to help them. Nab shut your mail. I
guess some words are I am gonna have to edit
out for the video.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But pick someone else?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Please? Nine and an eight year old downind you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's nineteen eighty six. I'm surprised they even care at
this point, right, So I mean, good on them. I
guess I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't now.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Instead, authorities discovered he was working with another inmate, Irvin Cross,
to run a child network from prison. Cross paid Schaeffer's
father a monthly stipend for use of his telephone line.
To communicate with Filipino colleagues. Prosecutors convicted Cross, adding time
to his sentence at start, but no charges were ever
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filed against the Shaffers. These people are on They are untouchable.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
This, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Even as the deed sting collapse, Schaefer would have his
first run in with condemned killer Ted Bundy. Now, according
to Schaffer, quote, Bundy was always one hundred percent respectful
of me. I treated him as a supplicant while other
were hanging on his every word. And Bundy allegedly confessed
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that he had been inspired by Shaeffer's case to kill
two victims on a single day in nineteen seventy four.
Oh my god, so he's even tool for them. Bad guy.
With Bundy, Schaeffer debated such fine points of murder as
quote the maggot problem and techniques of cleaning upholstery after
dying victims urinated in their cars. Another sometimes confidant of
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Schaeffer was self described cannibal otis toole. Do you know
who that is?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I feel like I do.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Bad guy. He's a bad guy. Sentenced to life for
six murders. Now, Tool was suspected of many more most
notably the nineteen eighty one kidnapping of young Adam Walsh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yes, okay, I do know who he is.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I guess kidnap and slain, but yeaheah. By nineteen eighty eight,
when he met Shaeffer, Toole had several times confessed to
Walsh's burger, always recanting his statement when detectives asked for proof.
Shaeffer wrote to Adam's father, John Walsh, host of America's
Most Wanted for Younger folks. It was a TV show
that was on when we were kids, posing as Tool
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and demanding fifty thousand dollars for Adam's remains. Quote, so
you can get them buried. All decent and Christian, dude,
that is disrespectful. He's been talked about a lot, but
we may talk about him in the future because he's
another Really, it's disgusting now. Walsh ignored the offer, and
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Tool soon soured on Schaeffer's mercenary attentions. Aside from the
sadistic pleasure of tormenting Adam's parents, Shaefer gained nothing from
the episode except a new addendum to his reputation as
a snitch. He's a snitch. Shaefer lost an admirer on
January twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine, would tend Bundy kept
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his long delayed date with Florida's Electric Chair. Around the
same time, ex girlfriend Sandy Stewart, now divorced mother Sondra London,
picked up a copy of and Rules Stranger Beside Me,
detailing Rules relationship or Friendship with Bundy, and decided to
write a book on her relationship with Schaeffer. London wrote
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to Schaeffer on February eighth, nineteen eighty nine, asking, quote,
remember me, she pitched the notion of a book about
your experiences quote, and requested samples of his writing. And
now with this lady is a very problematic character. I'm
not going to get into why, but if you want,
it's worth looking up She's she's just very she's problematic.
(42:35):
We'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I feel like she's trying to poke a bear.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It goes deeper than that, Like, really, you should when
we get done, you should look her up. She's very problematic.
And yeah, she's not good now. Shaeffer responded, enthusiastically touting
his case as quote Virgin territory, adding quote naturally, I'm
favorably disposed towards someone who has known me intimately. He
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recalled London as quote a former great love of my
life and denied any hostility over their breakup. Now at
their first prison meeting, London found Shaeffer transformed into a
quote aneebish portly, pale, balding, and half blind. He reminded
her of a middle aged desk bound clerk. Gone to
(43:23):
seat again, look her up. What There's a lot behind
this lady and her connection to him and Ted Bundy.
She's just not a good person in my opinion. I
know that there are some people whatever, I'm not going
to get into it now. There was nothing soft about
Shaeffer's stories, though they sported macob titles such as quote
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Blonde on a stick and quote flies in her Eyes.
Between March and May nineteen eighty nine, Shaeffer sent London
seven grizzly tales. She added drawings and fragments of writing
seized from Doris Shaeffer's home nineteen seventy three, releasing the
lot as a volume of killer fiction in June nineteen
(44:07):
sixty nine. Now second book would soon follow, along with
independent stories, poems, sketches, and a quote killer serial that
aimed to quote satirize Schaeffer's own case. The leading character
a rogue cop who slaughters prostitutes in his spare time. Oh,
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this is what I'm saying. God, he loves himself. He
absolutely loves himself, and he thinks he's I think in
his mind he's created this world where he's doing something
good somehow. I don't know, it's really It's just he's
a very interesting case because his mind is is it's
(44:50):
very interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Why did she have to add drawings?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Well, I mean, everybody who writes serial killer stuff usually
gets some other stuff and puts it in. I mean
John wayn Gacy was very well known for that, like
his self portraits. And However, a guard examined Schaeffer's work
and deemed it quote pornographic filth, confiscating the latest manuscript
as contraband unsuitable for a prisoner. Now, the work was
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released after Florida's Attorney General admitted the stories played a
role in Schaeffer's latest legal appeal, but Schaeffer himself was
forbidden from keeping a copy in prison. The critics in
the press and prosecutor's office branded killer Fiction a quote
blueprint for murder masking details of Schaeffer's own crimes in
the guise of entertainment. Shaeffer worked hard to impress his
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ex lover. On one hand, he claimed to be innocent,
framed by drug dealing cops and attorneys who feared his integrity,
casting himself in a martyr's role. He said, quote, I
let Satan get control of me. I hated evil. I
wanted to destroy evil. I and immersed myself in the battle,
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but destroyed myself in the process. God saved me by
allowing me to be framed by corrupt people. Unquote. He
really thinks he's a hero.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I can't even begin to tell you how much of
a disgusting human that makes you.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, I mean, obviously, oh that's why we're talking.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
It's everybody else's fault.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I don't know if this is a persona that he's
come up with, or if he truly feels this way.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But if you read
a lot of the things that he writes like that,
you would think that he might actually believe this. But
I don't. I don't know. I don't know him, I
don't know enough about him. But when I read the
things that he writes, I truly do believe that he
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believes these things, but I don't know either way.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I mean, he's a very hatable person. I come on now.
A week later, he wrote quote, my battle has been
to overcome the problem. I believe I have accomplished this
through Jesus Christ. He also added quote my own personal
belief in Jesus assures me of my future as a
child of God. But that does not excuse me from
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helping my fellow man unquote. And this spurs my issue
with religion right here. How can you do things like
this and then just be forgiven and you go to
heaven and everything's all good because by you know, religious standards.
He could he could just be like, I'm sorry for
everything that I did and wash it away and booboom,
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you go to heaven. I can't live in that world.
I'm sorry. It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
No comment now.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
In March twenty first, nineteen eighty nine, he wrote quote,
I am factually a captain of the Dixie Mafia. I
have factually the power to have you killed. I have
in the past used these powers. Three days later, he
also added quote, I am a syndicate man. When I
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put on my sub chief's hat, I am don l
Digre and I can scare the living shit out of you.
I don't know, dude, Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
He's wild, he's safer.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know how to
feel about this. I feel like he's got a bit
of l Ron Hubbard in him the you know, because
because l Ron Hubbard wrote science fiction, and it seems like,
you know, this isn't science fiction. But he's writing like
this dramatized world where he is this mafia member or
like rogue cop defender hero. But I don't know if
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it's just all bs or if he believes it.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I think it's a little bit of both. I would
think I.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Think he believes it when it's beneficial for him, agreed.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But I think like when it's more of the far
fetched fiction is maybe when he would add more real
life things. I guess I have no idea, because this
dude is super twistful.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well, I think he adds more real life things when
he starts to become less relevant, when he starts to
fade where his name isn't as scary to people anymore,
and he's like, oh, let me remind you of some
other things that I might have done, so I don't know.
The Schaeffer would never stop with claims of mob connections.
Schaeffer also insisted on January twentieth, nineteen ninety one, quote,
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I am the top serial killer, and I can prove it.
He was an expert hangman, Schaefer wrote, dispatching victims quote
so quickly that they wouldn't even pee on the rope. Unquote.
He's also a hangman, just so you know he does
terrible things.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Furthermore, he added quote, I never, at any time required
more than two strokes to behead a woman. Never. I
was absolutely skilled at it. Schaeffer was vague on numbers,
but once estimated his body count somewhere between eighty and
one hundred and ten victims. Oh my god, I'd believe it.
I do believe it. Again. I'm gonna he was like,
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he's still.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Young when he got caught, right.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, he's he's pretty young through all this.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, that is so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I'm gonna read this next part again. These are not
my feelings. These are his quotes, because I would never
say this quote. One whore drowned in her own vomit
while watching me disembowel her girlfriend. He smirked at this quote,
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I'm not sure that counts as a valid kill. Did
the pregnant ones count as two kills? It can get
confusing always, though, he balked at the notion of sex
as a motive quote, I did not have sex problem.
Schaeffer wrote on March twenty second, nineteen eighty nine, you
are delusional, because once we get into his crimes, it
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does seem these were motivated in that way. Quote A
problem means you were unhappy or discontented. And again on
April ninth, nineteen ninety one, quote a sex killer, I
was not. I am unique. I guarantee it killer fiction
and its sequels flopped commercially, leaving London short of cash
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in early nineteen ninety one, and on January eighteen, Schaeffer
proposed marriage, noting that his wife could not be forced
to testify quote even if I were to show you
a basket of severed heads, okay. The next day he
reconsidered blaming London for his crimes. He wrote, quote, I
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will tell you here and now that plenty of your
women died because you couldn't help me. Solve my various
crisises in nineteen sixty five. I tried to tell you
about it, but you couldn't deal with it. You bolted
abandoned me.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's when it started, unquote because someone else can't handle
your crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
He's trying to shift the blame. He's trying to he's
trying to make it about somebody else.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Take it off your cunt. I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
But how many times does he need to admit to
things and nothing happens at this point? I mean, if
he says he did it, he probably did it.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
So yeah, just just slap it all on, pile it up.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
The prison officials began intercepting these letters between Schaeffer and
London in March nineteen ninety one. On May sixteenth, guards
opened a letter and discovered outlines for new stories. They
filed a disciplinary report, and Schaeffer spent thirty days in
solitary for quote, conspiracy to conduct business. Conduct a business
from his cell. You can't do that with book sales stagnant.
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London sought new avenues of income. Producers for the television
show A Current Affair offered her one thousand dollars for
a segment on Schaeffer. Reluctantly, Schaeffer agreed to an interview
with reporter Steve Dunleavy in place of his quote frame
up defense, though views heard London proclaim quote he was
normal except he had a compulsion to kill. Unquote hmmm,
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that he's not normal no Now, Robert Stone branded Schaeffer
quote one of America's worst serial killers ever. Dunleey called
Schaeffer a quote monster and a diseased specimen that, closing
the segment with a prayer that Schaeffer quote find his
hell on earth now. Schaeffer would write to London, quote,
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we're through after viewing the program. Quote You've taped a
black hole of genuine rage and it's focused on you.
Just never speak my name to anyone anywhere ever. Again,
I've met a number of people from the Satanist underground
to express my appreciation for what you've said. I've explained
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to them about your daughter. They'll probably get in touch
with her personally. If you want to make an issue
of this, then the kid is gonna be the one
to pay the tab am. I clear, and that's where
we're gonna end Part two of Giar John Jay. This
is a he is a bad man. He's a god.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
He is so full of himself. And like, I don't
know if ties to.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
The mafia or none of that's true.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We're just gonna throw that out there. None of that's true.
None of that has ever come to light to have
any any credence to it at all. None of it.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
He throws it out there like it's this power.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Because to him it is. He thinks discussing. He's a
story writer. This is why, this is why I compared
him to l Ron Hubbard, because that was his whole
life was writing stories that he eventually believed himself. And
I think he's he's like that. He just has a
pension to kill people, you know, especially young girls. And
(55:06):
so that's why, like that's you know, we've made it
through pretty much his story. We'll probably finish off this
and then get into what he did next week. If
you're next week's not gonna be good, I'm just gonna
warn you it's not gonna be good. It's gonna be
bad because he did some terrible things. And then of
course we will end this with the tie into the
(55:26):
paranormal claims of the Devil's tree down in Florida, which.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Is part of the reason we picked this one.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
It's the reason why we pick this one is our
first one, you know, because there will be times where
we're just going to do true crime. It doesn't have
to have a paranormal you know, anything paranormal in it,
but that is why we picked this one.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yeah, I don't We're definitely not going to do big
name cases like they've been done.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
I don't want to always do those.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Literally, they're everywhere done by everyone, and I don't there's
nothing we could really add to it at this point,
so I think maybe you know, little little wow, smaller
known crimes literal we'll definitely be what we look into.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean we started with us when it's it
is a bigger case, but you know, it's get our
kind of bearings a bit.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
With the paranormal tie to kick it out. This is
also like.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
A well known that I haven't heard on every single
podcast that I listened to, you know, so it was
kind of perfect. It was something with a lot of information.
Most of this, you know. I do want to point
out that that the majority of this that we've read
today comes from crimelibrary dot org and it's basically like
an online book of this dude, and it's and it's
(56:38):
really well written, and it's very well documented, and that's
why I used it. It's really good. So if you
want to read the entirety of it, it's there. If
you'd like to go read it, you know, if you
could care less what we say, I get it.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
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Speaker 2 (56:53):
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It's been a minute, I will say it's been a minute.
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Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't want to get into it again. But we
are back and we are going to continue the story
of this lovely man, John Shaver about lovely. Yeah, he sucks,
he does suck. He's a terrible person. Yes, the killer
cop of uh poor Saint Lucy.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I have to think about that in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's been a little while. I even wrote this one
a little while ago. Yeah, but we're back and we
are going to tell this story. It may be two
more parts after this.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I believe that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
We're not even really getting into the the bulk of
his crime yet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, which my lovely husband over here has dubbed that to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Me to read because I think it's funny. It sounds
funnier coming from you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Why does that sound funnier? It's gross stuff either way,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Somebody out there will get it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know, it's pretty funny whatever, I don't mind. Yeah,
I love.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I mean, so we're gonna we're gonna jump into this.
It's not going to get any better. It's just not
so again, I have to put out a warning don't
listen to this with your kids or anything. This is
not going to be a kid friendly episode. And I'm
also not going to addit stuff out anymore. I'm not
doing it. Okay, you know, if YouTube doesn't like it,
(02:17):
they'll let me know. Oh okay, you know, because look,
we're all adults here, you know. So it's up to you.
If you listen to it around people who don't need
to hear it, that's on you, not us.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
We've told you, yes, ear muffs for the littles, or
send them away. They probably don't.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, you probably don't want them to hear it at all.
But let's jump into this glorious too. Now. When we
last left Schaeffer, he was divorced, fired from his teaching job,
(02:55):
and had his mind made up that all women needed
to be dealt with. And that was just the beginning
of the story. From here on is where the real
terror of the Killer Cop begins, Oh God, terrible guy.
After a rocky marriage, Schaeffer's parents divorced in September of
nineteen sixty nine, Just as he returned to Florida Atlantic University.
(03:17):
Three days after classes convened on September eighth, a mysterious
fate overtook a former neighbor, the object of his teenage
lust and rage. Oh my god. Now Lee Hanline had
married Charles bonnad boned Bonnard's Bonadie Bonadies, I don't know
(03:37):
on August twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. That was a
rocky union from the start, with frequent fights. One subject
of contention was Lee's story that her childhood neighbor and
sometime tennis partner had offered her a twenty thousand dollars
salary to join the CIA. Now Charles laughed at the
idea and told her to forget it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What less work of a CIA. Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Less than a month later, on September eighth, he came
home to find a note from Lee saying that she
had gone to Miami. She never came back, and her
car was later found in a Fort Lauderdale parking lot.
Lee's brother would go on to call Shaeffer and Herd
the strange story. He said that Lee had called him
(04:21):
to say that she was leaving Charles and asked him
for a ride to the airport where she meant to
catch a flight to Cincinnati. Now, Shaeffer says that he agreed,
but Lee never called back with a departure time. I
don't believe him, m M. I do believe that this.
He's never admitted to killing her, Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why would she call him not her husband or her
brother or someone a whole lot closer than a freaking neighbor.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think it's pretty well agreed that he made her disappear. Yeah,
but he's never admitted to it. I don't think he's
admitted to a lot of crimes, honestly.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think that's even worse. You're going to if you're
going to do it, say you did it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sometimes that's the you know, the disconnect with them is
like if they don't talk about it, they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know, but you definitely still did.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
We think we There's no way to be sure, like
one hundred percent unless he tells you, you know, but
I think he did it well and Charles filed for
divorce on October sixth. His petition was granted on March tenth,
nineteen seventy. Nothing more was ever heard of Lee until
her jewelry mysteriously surfaced at Dora Schaeffer's home in April
of nineteen seventy three. Her fate still remains unknown.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
How did our jewelry show up?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, that's the thing. So you know he's a serial
killer and they keep trophy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That is exactly where my mind was. That is a trophy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That is a trophy.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yep. Either locks of hair, clothes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
With hair, that's gross. Well, we've seen it before, Protagonia, shrine.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Like art, underwear like specifically, yeah, clothing.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A lot of times it'll be like Id's jewelry, underwear.
It's always a big thing. Yeah, I just go upstairs
for yours brother. Eh, what's that? What's that? Brother? Schaeffer's
second try at student teaching didn't go any better than
(06:27):
the first. FAU administrators placed him at Stranahan High School,
but supervisor Richard Goodheart removed him on November eleventh, nineteen
sixty nine, after a series of classroom misconducts now good
Heart recalled quote I told him when he left that
he'd better never let me hear of his trying to
get a job with any authority over the people, or
(06:49):
I do anything I could to see that he didn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, that's pretty serious. Well, if you remember it, not,
he should never work.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you remember from the when he had the same issue. Yeah,
you know, because he couldn't stop, you know, pushing his
views and his ideas has.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Been to It was mostly it was a college.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, it was mostly politics, and he couldn't stop himself
from pushing his ideas onto kids. And the school didn't
want that. They wanted him to be a teach teacher.
You know. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Oh you have a teaching job. They want you to
teach and not preach about your idealss I mean what concept.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The next to disappear from Broward County was Carmen Marie Hallick,
a twenty two year old cocktail waitress. She had lunch
with her sister in law on December eighteenth, nineteen sixty nine,
discussing a date she had planned for that evening. Hallick
said she was meeting a teacher who had offered her
a job involving quote, some kind of undercover work for
the government. Now, this position featured international travel and lots
(07:54):
of money.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh you don't say the same type of job offered
to this woman.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I do say, that's kind of his mo is that.
I don't know. He was like, you want to work
for the CIA. He's a weird guy. Man. I wonder
saying the CIA back then was different than today though.
This was like a you know, today, you'd be like
narc Back then, I mean, you were still a nark,
but it was like a prestigious thing. Right, Yeah, it
(08:22):
is still prestigious, don't get me wrong, but it's just
how the public viewed it then versus now.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right. But my thinking is, like these two women and
this almost same job offer quote unquote, I mean any
but the CIA.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We all know it's him, Like he is he.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Making these phone calls like as someone from the CIA.
I don't think random people job I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't think so. But I do think he's claiming
to work for the CIA and offering jobs to women
to please get them alone and travel with him, you know,
the bad guy. Now. Halick missed work the next night,
and when she had not been seen by Christmas Day,
her relatives used a spare key to check her apartment.
They found the bathtub full and her dog unfed. Hallick's
(09:08):
car was found in a nearby parking lot a few
days later. When Schaeffer's stash of souvenirs was seized in
nineteen seventy three, police recovered two of Hallick's gold filled
teeth and a shamrock pin identified by her family, and
her body has never been found to this day. Just
like Lee Hanlin.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trophies trophound car found in.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Park these are two women that don't know each other,
but both of their things were collected as souvenirs and
found at his mother's house.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So disgusting.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'll let you determine how you feel about it, but
I know for me, I'm probably for you. He probably
killed these ladies. I could only imagine. And when we
get into the things that he does to these women,
it's it's mortifying. He does awful, awful, awful things.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I don't even I don't know what he has done
to these women.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yet it's good. It's like every woman tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Sit in that apartment and starve.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Such a bad dude, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah now. In March nineteen seventy Shaeffer petitioned FAU administrators
to alter his records, changing the November withdrawal to a
quote incomplete and allowing him to resume study. They agreed,
and Shaeffer returned as a full time student along with
his wife. Now the marriage was doomed, though, Martha filed
(10:31):
for divorce on May second, citing Schaeffer's extreme cruelty. I
can only imagine, and so this is what his second
marriage already. Yeah, he's not even on a college yet.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Poor mirtha, Mirtha, Martha, Poor Mirtha.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He rebounded with a month's vacation in Europe and North Africa,
including trips into the Sahara Desert. Schaeffer would later boast
of victims quote on three continents, and while given his
the claim might be plausible. However, no slayings outside the
US have ever been confirmed. By October nineteen seventy To
(11:09):
make tuition money, Shaeffer was working as a security guard
at Florida Light in Power FLP. We used to pay them.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, it's actually FPL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now there he met Secretary Teresa Dean and they became engaged.
This dude is constantly engaged tying the knot soon after
Schaeffer's August nineteen seventy one graduation from FAU with a
bachelor's degree in geography. It was useless without a teaching credential,
(11:38):
but Schaeffer had chosen a new career path, having failed
to quote do right as a priest or teacher. Because
I remember he was also a priest.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, do you remember he set.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
His sights on law enforcement. This is honestly probably where
a lot of dislike for law enforcement stems from his
stuff like this. Don't get me again, don't get me wrong.
I know that there are a lot of bad cops,
but there are also a lot of really good cops.
You know. I'm don't stone me in the comments or anything,
but I am a supporter of the police. We need them,
(12:09):
you know. They restore law and order. And while every
walk of life will have good people and bad people.
I'm sure some of this is where dislike of law
enforcement comes in.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And I think nowadays, like in now times compared to
in the seventies, there was a lot more corruption back then,
way more, whereas now it's few and far between.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
There's still a lot of corruption, it's just done differently.
But the you know, invention of the Internet has put
more things out on front street. You're able to reach
a lot more people and tell them what's going on.
So like you know, back then, you communicated through long
distance phone calls and handwritten letters. It's just how we
(13:00):
did things, you know, faxing. But now you can reach
pretty much anybody in the world like that. So it's
harder to get away with things like that. But I
don't know, it's there's still as much corruption, it's just different.
Hired by the Wilton Manors Police Department on September third,
nineteen seventy one, Schaeffer was sent back to Broward Community College,
(13:23):
this time to the school's police Academy. Though now he
failed to disclose the fact that he had twice been
fired from student teaching positions within the previous year, instead
falsely claiming to have acquired two years experience as a
research assistant at FAU and to have recently returned to
the US from Morocco. Shaeffer's previous work history was never.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Verified always verify.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Again though different times, and even if they did verify,
it's not like nowadays where you can just nowadays you
can almost get you hire people, you can get almost
an instant hite on somebody.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You can send something out and within ten minutes they
could be like, that's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I just like, I've only been in management for under
two years at this point. It's been about a year
and a half home modest manager ever, but like I
just recently started doing like interviews and things, you know,
within the last year and a half or so, And
it did not take long for me to like do
maybe ten interviews, and then I could start to see
(14:27):
those things where I'm like, yeah, I know I want
to pass.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, they're the you know, personality traits.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, it's either personality or just like fits, like are
they going to you know kind of fit? Do they
have what it takes kind of thing? I don't know.
But it did not take long for me to be
like yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Because and especially like when you work people side by
side all the time, Yeah, you pick up on those
personality traits that may or may not meld with the
other people that you've worked with for years, so you'll
just kind of no absolutely, so yeah, I mean you're
doing it could always verify doing a good job. Thanks
b Now he graduated on December seventeenth, nineteen seventy one,
(15:07):
and hit the streets to begin his six month probationary term.
Schaeffer was just twenty five years old at this point.
He was on the job barely three weeks before another
local woman disappeared. Belinda Hutchins was another twenty two year
old cocktail waitress married to a drug addict, who later
told police that she quote had her own lifestyle and
(15:32):
quote did what she wanted to do. Girl, she's twenty two, man,
do your thing. She is arrested for prostitution in November
nineteen seventy She had paid two hundred and fifty dollars
fine at Fort Lauderdale. Now there were no more arrests,
but Hutchins was known to have flaunted her extramarital affairs.
So she cheated a lot then.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Talked about it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, she didn't, she didn't care who knew, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't know if I'm on board to call that girl, But.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Look, people live different lives. Not if her old man, sorry,
I know kids don't like that. If her ever boyfriend
or whoever knew about it, and he was fine with it,
and it is what it is, right, you live the
life you're going to live. I don't know what else
to say.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I wonder if the extramarital affairs tied into the prostitution. Maybe.
I don't know, but that tends to be more of
a job and not.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's two
separate things. I think she did sex work on the
side and but had boyfriends other than her boyfriend, So
I don't think they're referring to the same thing now.
In January fifth, nineteen seventy two, her husband and two
year old daughter watched her climb into a Blue Dots
(16:47):
in Sedan, a strange man at the wheel, and vanished
from their lives forever. In nineteen seventy three, the search
of Doris Schaeffer's home revealed an address book containing the name, address,
and phone number of Blinda's husband. Days later, he identified
Shaffer's Blue Donson as the car that took Bolinda on
her last ride. No other trace of her was found
(17:11):
and no charges wherever filed, so.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
They identified the car.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But then we're like, eh, but think think about all
the evidence you have to have nowaday nowadays, you still
had to have that back then. But it was harder
to get. Yeah, I mean you probably didn't have to
have as much as today, but just somebody saying that's
the car, Yeah, that's the guy. It's not it's not enough,
(17:36):
it's it wouldn't be enough today. I know. You know,
fortunately cops aren't going to convict somebody with hopes. You know,
it has to be it has to be set.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I totally get it, but I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It does, and he's basically caught red handed. But there's
sometimes it's just it's it's just out of reach. It
happens in Wilton man Or. Shaffer's proved himself as poorly
suited police work as he had been for the classroom. Surprising. Yeah,
the Chief, Bernard Scott told reporters quote, he used poor judgment,
(18:08):
did dumb things. I didn't want him around now. Colleagues
called Schaeffer badge happy, obsessed with writing traffic tickets. Sounds
like a Florida policeman if from.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Being honest, agreed.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ex FBI agent Robert Wrestler claims that Schaeffer stopped young
women and ask them out on dates. Years later, detectives
asserted that one of those women, never publicly identified, vanished forever.
Soon after patrolman Schaeffer stopped your car, the Chief Scott
was ready to fire Schaefer on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy two,
(18:42):
when Schaeffer surprised him by winning a commendation for a
drug arrest. It saved his job, but only briefly. The quote,
dumb mistakes continued, and Scott called him in for their
last talk on April nineteen. I think he set up
that drug arrest. Yeah, probably, who get that accommodation? That's
(19:06):
my theory. Schaeffer begged for another chance, quote almost with
tears in his eyes, and as Scott relented. The next day,
Scott learned that Schaeffer had applied for a job with
the Broward County Sheriff's Department, and he fired Schaeffer on
the spot. There would be no Broward County badge for Schaeffer.
(19:26):
But we don't call him the killer com for nothing. Now.
He failed the department's mandatory psychological exam and was rejected.
Now I want to stop here what I'm reading and
just remind you this is the man who murdered, mutilated,
and fornicated with dead cows. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I do?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, this is this is a Scott. I am not
surprised that he failed the psychological exam. That just doesn't
shock me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Would shock me if he did.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I I just had to point that out because that's
all I can now. That is all I can associate
with this man. Yeah, you know it's I have some
statements I could make, but there's not very appropriate. So
the applications to other local departments had Chief Scott's telephone
ringing off the hook in Wilton Manners. He later recalled quote,
(20:24):
I told them I would put on a uniform and
walk the streets myself before I would have him back.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Mm fair good man.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
On June thirtieth, nineteen seventy two, Schaeffer was hired by
Sheriff Richard Crowder in Martin County. Now he came with
a glowing letter of recommendation from Chief Bernard Scott of
the Wilton Manners PD, But just a month later Crowder
checked the letter out and discovered it was a forgery. Yeah,
I would, because there is no way.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He'd be like, yeah, he's a great guy, but I
want him to work absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No is no way a man. Nobody knows for sure why,
but it was at this time that Schaeffer got bored
of killing victims singly. He later wrote that quote, doing
doubles is far more difficult than doing singles. But on
the other hand, it also puts one in a position
(21:19):
to have twice as much fun.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh my, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Nope, nope, I don't even know, because I know the
things that he did, and it's just creepy to hear
that he put it that way.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And like, if you're in too true crime, you know
that most serial killers or most just murderers in general,
tend to shy away from talking about it. People from
two people, oh, from double victims, Yeah, yeah, from a
crime with two victims, Like, it's messy, it's a lot.
It's like you can only imagine, like you're trying to
(22:04):
struggle with one like what's well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's you know, that's where the devil tree comes in.
Oh Jesus, you know, that's that's where we get the
story of that from. And we'll find out when you
read that next week.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Now, there can be some lively discussions about which of
the victims will get to be killed first. When you
have a pair of I'm going to read this, this
is obviously not not my feelings of any of this.
So I'm just gonna let you know. I'm going to
read this, but this isn't me. When you have a
pair of teenage bimbos bound hand and foot and ready
(22:42):
for a session with the skinning knife, neither one of
the little devils wants to be the one to go first,
and they don't mind telling you quickly why their best
friend should be the one to die. Oh God, So
he wasn't just taking two girls. He was taking best friends.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like sisters. Like I don't super connected it life.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I can't remember if if there were any sisters, but
I know he would take best friends and he would
play a little game where he would make them plead
for him to kill the other one and let them go,
and then he did other things to them that we'll
get into at some point, not yet. He's gross. He's
really gross. He is a really gross guy. We cannot
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for sure know when Schaeffer started doing doubles, as he
called it. Seven years after the fact, his name was
linked to the disappearance of twenty one year old Nancy
Lehner and twenty year old Pamela and Nader Panella's County
residents who vanished on a nineteen sixty six picnic trip
in the O'cala National Forest.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Hey, weaen know where that is.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I grew up going there. I mean I went. I
grew up going to the O'cala National Forest, because anybody
wants to know. I grew up in O'calla, Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I lived there for five years and that is where we.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Met and he did some stuff. Now the case remains unsolved,
of course, and both women are still missing. A better
case exists for Shaffer's involvement in the murders of nine
year old Peggy ran An eight year old Wendy Stevenson
in Pompenham Beach. Both vanished from their beach home on
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December twenty ninth, nineteen seventy literal just childrenine and eight children,
little children, Oh my god. A day later, a clerk
at a nearby convenience store reported a man buying ice
cream for two young girls on the previous afternoon. That
clerk identified photos of Peggy and Wendy, describing their companion
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as a white man in his twenties, six feet tall,
around two hundred pounds. Dead ringer R Gerard John Shaffer now,
the girls remain missing, and Shaeffer was never charged, though
prosecutors publicly accused him of the crime in nineteen seventy three.
Schaeffer denied the slings publicly, but later confessed in a
letter dated April nineteen April nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, but this is all right.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So this is another aside note for him, is that
it's been proven that, like he's faked a lot of
information and he and he's left out stuff. He's lied
about things, so he's like added things in but left
out the truth. And so with him, he's a real
charming dude. Like he's a good talker. He's like a
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Ted Bundy, you know, which if we remember Ted Bundy
drew inspiration inspiration from him.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So, like it's hard to know what he did and
didn't do. It's just it's hard. He's just one of
those people. And a lot of serial killers are those
kind of people. They're charming. That's how they get away
with this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
The Laurel Laurel lure people in. Yeah, and how they
get him to trust them, to go with them, to
you know, befriend to them. I guess it's.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
When you have that kind of charm about you. People
tend to trust you, which is how these serial killers
back in the day got away with the stuff, because
you know, they have that gift of gab, and they
don't come across as evil or you know, they don't
seem threatening, but they are. And that's you know, when
I was a kid, I specifically don't really remember people
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talking to me about the dangers of strangers, the stuff
we talk about now. It's because of stuff like this,
because a lot of people they never knew that these
people were bad people until they got caught. Everybody would
say that they're they're good people.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Shaefer here, he didn't have the best record, don't get
me wrong, but people still liked him. Yeah, you know,
until he creeped him out. Now he wrote quote, I'm
annoyed by all this murder talk. Peggy and Wendy just
happened along at a time when I was curious about
eighteen thirties cannibal Albert fishes craving for the flesh of
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young girls. I assure you these girls were not molested.
I found both of them very satisfactory, particularly with salt,
hay onions and peppers.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So he's claiming to have eaten them. Oh, my god.
And I mean we all know who Albert Fish is.
He's uh, he's like the og cannibal.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah. If you don't know who Albert Fish is, do
not look him up. It is mean.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
If you don't know who he is, look, it's so gross.
He's disgusting. He's besides Stellmer. He is probably the most
famous cannibal case. And he did. I don't I'll never
cover him. I mean there's every true crime podcast in
the world has covered him. You can go listen to anybody.
I would suggest last podcast on the Left, they did
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a great episode on it. Very demented dude from the thirties,
and people trusted him. Here we Go was charming people
he came across. People called him a friendly, old grandfatherly
figure and would let their kids go off with him.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And those were his victims.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And those were his victims. Yeah. The Schaeffer was free
on bond awaiting trial for the Trotter Wells abduction in
Martin County when his next known victims were murdered on
September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy two. The double slaying of
Susan Place and Georgia Jessup would land him in prison
for life and would be the only murders for which
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he was ever actually tried. What the only ones two? Yeah,
that's it. Yes, And if you go back to our
first episode, I believe at some point I'd put up
the picture of those girls. Those are the only two girls,
the only two people that he was tried and convicted for.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So that's what he I can't remember if he's dead
or not now, I don't remember. But those are the
only ones that he got caught up on, which is
crazy to me because he has himself admitted. He admitted
to doing other crimes. But again, it's that burden of
you have to have evidence. It's just how the legal
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system works. And these people they're not stupid. They know
how to get away with stuff. He and not only that,
but he was law enforcement, so he really did have
an end with being able to make evidence disappear. And
you know, they're not stupid people, unfortunately, terrifying. If they were,
they would never get anywhere. Yeah. Less than four weeks
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after Place and Jessup vanished on October twenty third, fourteen
year old Mary Alice Briskolina and Elise Lena Farmer were
added to the missing person's list. Farmer's family reported her
missing on October twenty fourth, while Briscollina's waited another week,
assuming she had run away from home. Unfortunately that wasn't
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the case. A farmer skeletal remains were found on January seventeenth,
nineteen seventy three, just eight days after Shaeffer went to jail,
at a construction site near Plantation High School. My brother
used to living Plantation, right near the high school.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Briscolina was found a month later, on February fifteenth, just
two hundred yards away. Both girls were identified by their
dental records. Oh my god, so she was.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
She wasn't found for a while, but it was only
two hundred yards away. Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
We just didn't have the technology back then that we
have now.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean it's two football fields, which is if you
think about that far, it's really not that far, but
it is kind of far. I guess it's been like wilderness.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean, yes, they would have to walk a little bit,
I suppose. Now. Following the April search of Doris Shaeffer's home,
farmers relatives were able to identify a piece of jewelry
taken from the murdered girl. Shaeffer was never charged with
those murders, but he later admitted to the crimes. In
a letter to one of his published stories titled Quote
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Murder Demons on April ninth, nineteen ninety one, he wrote,
what crimes am I supposed to confess? Farmer Bristo Galina,
What do you think? Murder Demons is fiction? You want confessions,
but you don't recognize them when I anoint you with them.
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Ew he loves himself. He loves himself. I do not
like that he loves himself. You can tell by the
way he writes things that like he's very amused with him,
like he loves He really likes himself. And I find
that gross. The Schaefer was sentenced for the Trotter Wells
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assault in December nineteen seventy two, but he did not
actually enter jail until January fifteenth of nineteen seventy three,
one week earlier. Nineteen year old Iowa residents call it
good enough man. That's the crazy last name.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Good enough.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Good enough and Barbara and Willcox left Biloxi, Mississippi, hitchhiking
to Florida. Now, no trace of either girl was seen
until April, when searchers found evidence of their fate in
schaeffer stash. Of course, among the items retrieved were Barber's
driver's license, along with Collet's passport, diary, and a book
of poems. Now skeletal remains of both victims were found
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in Port Saint Lucy in January nineteen seventy seven, but
no cause of death could be found and no charges
were ever filed. How he constantly gets way with stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I don't understand that. But I also don't understand like
where it said it was December when he was charged,
but didn't go to jail until January. So if they
would have just put him in jail, he would these
two women would be alive.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yes, But dude, this one, this is what I'm saying,
Like you want to be like these people are stupid,
but they're not. They're so intelligent that like scary. Yeah,
because they're so scary. They literally really can get away
with murder. Literally they do it. He did it what,
like I don't know. Eight times now we all know
he did it, but again we need the evidence. But
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don't ever think that these people are you know, dumb.
They're not dumb, right, they are very smart, which is
how they get away with it. Unfortunately, now, Teresa Schaeffer
made her one and only prison visit on November seventeenth,
nineteen seventy three, to serve Gerard with divorce papers. Now
outside the walls. Reporters trumpeted that lawyer Elton Schwartz, age
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forty five, with dating Schaeffer's twenty one year old wife.
I don't care. He also handled Teresa's divorce and they
would be married on November thirtieth, with Schwartz announcing that
his client had suggested the arrangement.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So Schaeffer, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, whatever man now better for her?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, for sure, but like that's weird.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is weird now inmate Shaeffer, unfazed by at all,
maintained correspondence with Schwartz for several years afterwards, waiting nearly
a decade to charge the attorney with illegal malpractice. Meanwhile,
Schaeffer was busy exposing another conspiracy, claiming that he had
been framed by drug dealing lawman and Martin County prosecutors
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due to delusional In Schaeffer's new story, he was framed
for killing quote two narcotics informants because he refused to
play ball with powerful drug lords. Ironically, one of Robert
Stone's aides was convicted of drug trafficking in the nineteen eighties,
but no evidence linked the case to Shaeffer's crimes. Of course,
because he's making it up. Schaeffer would ultimately file nineteen
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separate appeals, but each one of them was dismissed. In
nineteen eighty seven, a judgem went on to say, quote,
there has to be an end, a conclusion to litigation
and to the abuse of the judicial process. Defendant should
realize once and for all, the die is cast, the
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mold is made, the loaf is baked. Therefore the judgment
is final and forever the I like him. That's a
real f you from the judge, and I like it.
I like it now. These were strong words strengthened by
a state role board ruling that Schaeffer was ineligible for
release before February twenty seventeen. But still the hopeless lawsuits
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continued at the public's expense. But Shaefer would find other
ways to amuse himself.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
In nineteen seventy nine, he declared himself quote married to
a Filipina quote picture bride that the young woman appeared
in July nineteen eighty and moved in with Shaefer's father.
A marriage license materialized sans ceremony and was accepted by
authorities at Avon Park's minimum security prison. Several quote contact
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visits were permitted. You know what that means before Shaeffer's
wife got her green card in nineteen eighty five and
dropped him like a proverbial hot potato, good job girl,
because she was like, yo, he's gross. Yeah, and I
know what he did. A few weeks later, in September
nineteen eighty five, Shaeffer was accused of plotting an escape
from Avon Park and murder a hit list of victims
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including his ex wife, Elton Schwartz, Robert Stone, and Judge Towbridge.
The state police confirmed the plot and Schaeffer was sent
off to the maximum security at Stark, Home of Florida's Death.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Row by Siya Wow, yeah Okay. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Despite being closely watched, Shaeffer still managed to run a
mail fraud operation from his prison cell, collaborating with cohorts
outside to post ads and sex magazines, soliciting money from
various kinky tricks. To that end, Shaeffer adopted did various pseudonyms,
always female.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So gross, which that leads back to when he was
a kid and he always wanted to be a girl. Yeah,
because of the way his dad treated him.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Absolutely. Wow, It's it's always a full circle with these guys.
It's always a full circle. He became Mistress Felice, a dominatrix,
a prostitute, Jessica Zuriaga, Stern matron Miller, a husband killer
on death row, and so on. Some of his slaves
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paid cash for the privilege of washing Mistress Felice's soiled
panties delivered by mail for a price. Schaeffer also enjoyed
writing to inmates at other prisons, posing as the great
love of their lives, all while laughing behind their backs.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
He is deranged, she.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Will get off for that kind of stuff. What's it's
not a good idea?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now. One such inmate, awaiting trial for murder, told Schaeffer
where his victim's body could be found, and Shaeffer relayed
the directions to police, landing his client on death row.
It was a deadly game, perhaps an extension of his
childhood death wish and he played it recklessly as if
he was untouchable. In nineteen eighty six, collaborating with police
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from North Miami, Schaeffer created the identity of D. D. Kelly,
a fourteen year old prostitute who offered nude photos to
pet A fourteen but hold on. Responses to his ads
were collected by US Postal inspectors, but none of Shaeffer's
correspondents were prosecuted. He basically tried to Chris Hansen people,
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but no I. Maybe that's bad comparison. Chris Hansen doesn't send.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
News no I.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But he's trying to help. He's trying. The police are
getting him to help them. Nab shut your mail. I
guess some words are I am gonna have to edit
out for the video.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But pick someone else?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Please? Nine and an eight year old downind you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's nineteen eighty six. I'm surprised they even care at
this point, right, So I mean, good on them. I
guess I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't now.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Instead, authorities discovered he was working with another inmate, Irvin Cross,
to run a child network from prison. Cross paid Schaeffer's
father a monthly stipend for use of his telephone line.
To communicate with Filipino colleagues. Prosecutors convicted Cross, adding time
to his sentence at start, but no charges were ever
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filed against the Shaffers. These people are on They are untouchable.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
This, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Even as the deed sting collapse, Schaefer would have his
first run in with condemned killer Ted Bundy. Now, according
to Schaffer, quote, Bundy was always one hundred percent respectful
of me. I treated him as a supplicant while other
were hanging on his every word. And Bundy allegedly confessed
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that he had been inspired by Shaeffer's case to kill
two victims on a single day in nineteen seventy four.
Oh my god, so he's even tool for them. Bad guy.
With Bundy, Schaeffer debated such fine points of murder as
quote the maggot problem and techniques of cleaning upholstery after
dying victims urinated in their cars. Another sometimes confidant of
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Schaeffer was self described cannibal otis toole. Do you know
who that is?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I feel like I do.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Bad guy. He's a bad guy. Sentenced to life for
six murders. Now, Tool was suspected of many more most
notably the nineteen eighty one kidnapping of young Adam Walsh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yes, okay, I do know who he is.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I guess kidnap and slain, but yeaheah. By nineteen eighty eight,
when he met Shaeffer, Toole had several times confessed to
Walsh's burger, always recanting his statement when detectives asked for proof.
Shaeffer wrote to Adam's father, John Walsh, host of America's
Most Wanted for Younger folks. It was a TV show
that was on when we were kids, posing as Tool
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and demanding fifty thousand dollars for Adam's remains. Quote, so
you can get them buried. All decent and Christian, dude,
that is disrespectful. He's been talked about a lot, but
we may talk about him in the future because he's
another Really, it's disgusting now. Walsh ignored the offer, and
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Tool soon soured on Schaeffer's mercenary attentions. Aside from the
sadistic pleasure of tormenting Adam's parents, Shaefer gained nothing from
the episode except a new addendum to his reputation as
a snitch. He's a snitch. Shaefer lost an admirer on
January twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine, would tend Bundy kept
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his long delayed date with Florida's Electric Chair. Around the
same time, ex girlfriend Sandy Stewart, now divorced mother Sondra London,
picked up a copy of and Rules Stranger Beside Me,
detailing Rules relationship or Friendship with Bundy, and decided to
write a book on her relationship with Schaeffer. London wrote
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to Schaeffer on February eighth, nineteen eighty nine, asking, quote,
remember me, she pitched the notion of a book about
your experiences quote, and requested samples of his writing. And
now with this lady is a very problematic character. I'm
not going to get into why, but if you want,
it's worth looking up She's she's just very she's problematic.
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We'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I feel like she's trying to poke a bear.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It goes deeper than that, Like, really, you should when
we get done, you should look her up. She's very problematic.
And yeah, she's not good now. Shaeffer responded, enthusiastically touting
his case as quote Virgin territory, adding quote naturally, I'm
favorably disposed towards someone who has known me intimately. He
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recalled London as quote a former great love of my
life and denied any hostility over their breakup. Now at
their first prison meeting, London found Shaeffer transformed into a
quote aneebish portly, pale, balding, and half blind. He reminded
her of a middle aged desk bound clerk. Gone to
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seat again, look her up. What There's a lot behind
this lady and her connection to him and Ted Bundy.
She's just not a good person in my opinion. I
know that there are some people whatever, I'm not going
to get into it now. There was nothing soft about
Shaeffer's stories, though they sported macob titles such as quote
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Blonde on a stick and quote flies in her Eyes.
Between March and May nineteen eighty nine, Shaeffer sent London
seven grizzly tales. She added drawings and fragments of writing
seized from Doris Shaeffer's home nineteen seventy three, releasing the
lot as a volume of killer fiction in June nineteen
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sixty nine. Now second book would soon follow, along with
independent stories, poems, sketches, and a quote killer serial that
aimed to quote satirize Schaeffer's own case. The leading character
a rogue cop who slaughters prostitutes in his spare time. Oh,
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this is what I'm saying. God, he loves himself. He
absolutely loves himself, and he thinks he's I think in
his mind he's created this world where he's doing something
good somehow. I don't know, it's really It's just he's
a very interesting case because his mind is is it's
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very interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Why did she have to add drawings?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Well, I mean, everybody who writes serial killer stuff usually
gets some other stuff and puts it in. I mean
John wayn Gacy was very well known for that, like
his self portraits. And However, a guard examined Schaeffer's work
and deemed it quote pornographic filth, confiscating the latest manuscript
as contraband unsuitable for a prisoner. Now, the work was
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released after Florida's Attorney General admitted the stories played a
role in Schaeffer's latest legal appeal, but Schaeffer himself was
forbidden from keeping a copy in prison. The critics in
the press and prosecutor's office branded killer Fiction a quote
blueprint for murder masking details of Schaeffer's own crimes in
the guise of entertainment. Shaeffer worked hard to impress his
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ex lover. On one hand, he claimed to be innocent,
framed by drug dealing cops and attorneys who feared his integrity,
casting himself in a martyr's role. He said, quote, I
let Satan get control of me. I hated evil. I
wanted to destroy evil. I and immersed myself in the battle,
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but destroyed myself in the process. God saved me by
allowing me to be framed by corrupt people. Unquote. He
really thinks he's a hero.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I can't even begin to tell you how much of
a disgusting human that makes you.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, I mean, obviously, oh that's why we're talking.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
It's everybody else's fault.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I don't know if this is a persona that he's
come up with, or if he truly feels this way.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But if you read
a lot of the things that he writes like that,
you would think that he might actually believe this. But
I don't. I don't know. I don't know him, I
don't know enough about him. But when I read the
things that he writes, I truly do believe that he
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believes these things, but I don't know either way.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I mean, he's a very hatable person. I come on now.
A week later, he wrote quote, my battle has been
to overcome the problem. I believe I have accomplished this
through Jesus Christ. He also added quote my own personal
belief in Jesus assures me of my future as a
child of God. But that does not excuse me from
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helping my fellow man unquote. And this spurs my issue
with religion right here. How can you do things like
this and then just be forgiven and you go to
heaven and everything's all good because by you know, religious standards.
He could he could just be like, I'm sorry for
everything that I did and wash it away and booboom,
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you go to heaven. I can't live in that world.
I'm sorry. It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
No comment now.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
In March twenty first, nineteen eighty nine, he wrote quote,
I am factually a captain of the Dixie Mafia. I
have factually the power to have you killed. I have
in the past used these powers. Three days later, he
also added quote, I am a syndicate man. When I
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put on my sub chief's hat, I am don l
Digre and I can scare the living shit out of you.
I don't know, dude, Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
He's wild, he's safer.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know how to
feel about this. I feel like he's got a bit
of l Ron Hubbard in him the you know, because
because l Ron Hubbard wrote science fiction, and it seems like,
you know, this isn't science fiction. But he's writing like
this dramatized world where he is this mafia member or
like rogue cop defender hero. But I don't know if
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it's just all bs or if he believes it.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I think it's a little bit of both. I would
think I.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Think he believes it when it's beneficial for him, agreed.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But I think like when it's more of the far
fetched fiction is maybe when he would add more real
life things. I guess I have no idea, because this
dude is super twistful.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well, I think he adds more real life things when
he starts to become less relevant, when he starts to
fade where his name isn't as scary to people anymore,
and he's like, oh, let me remind you of some
other things that I might have done, so I don't know.
The Schaeffer would never stop with claims of mob connections.
Schaeffer also insisted on January twentieth, nineteen ninety one, quote,
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I am the top serial killer, and I can prove it.
He was an expert hangman, Schaefer wrote, dispatching victims quote
so quickly that they wouldn't even pee on the rope. Unquote.
He's also a hangman, just so you know he does
terrible things.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Furthermore, he added quote, I never, at any time required
more than two strokes to behead a woman. Never. I
was absolutely skilled at it. Schaeffer was vague on numbers,
but once estimated his body count somewhere between eighty and
one hundred and ten victims. Oh my god, I'd believe it.
I do believe it. Again. I'm gonna he was like,
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he's still.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Young when he got caught, right.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, he's he's pretty young through all this.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, that is so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I'm gonna read this next part again. These are not
my feelings. These are his quotes, because I would never
say this quote. One whore drowned in her own vomit
while watching me disembowel her girlfriend. He smirked at this quote,
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I'm not sure that counts as a valid kill. Did
the pregnant ones count as two kills? It can get
confusing always, though, he balked at the notion of sex
as a motive quote, I did not have sex problem.
Schaeffer wrote on March twenty second, nineteen eighty nine, you
are delusional, because once we get into his crimes, it
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does seem these were motivated in that way. Quote A
problem means you were unhappy or discontented. And again on
April ninth, nineteen ninety one, quote a sex killer, I
was not. I am unique. I guarantee it killer fiction
and its sequels flopped commercially, leaving London short of cash
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in early nineteen ninety one, and on January eighteen, Schaeffer
proposed marriage, noting that his wife could not be forced
to testify quote even if I were to show you
a basket of severed heads, okay. The next day he
reconsidered blaming London for his crimes. He wrote, quote, I
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will tell you here and now that plenty of your
women died because you couldn't help me. Solve my various
crisises in nineteen sixty five. I tried to tell you
about it, but you couldn't deal with it. You bolted
abandoned me.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's when it started, unquote because someone else can't handle
your crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
He's trying to shift the blame. He's trying to he's
trying to make it about somebody else.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Take it off your cunt. I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
But how many times does he need to admit to
things and nothing happens at this point? I mean, if
he says he did it, he probably did it.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
So yeah, just just slap it all on, pile it up.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
The prison officials began intercepting these letters between Schaeffer and
London in March nineteen ninety one. On May sixteenth, guards
opened a letter and discovered outlines for new stories. They
filed a disciplinary report, and Schaeffer spent thirty days in
solitary for quote, conspiracy to conduct business. Conduct a business
from his cell. You can't do that with book sales stagnant.
(52:42):
London sought new avenues of income. Producers for the television
show A Current Affair offered her one thousand dollars for
a segment on Schaeffer. Reluctantly, Schaeffer agreed to an interview
with reporter Steve Dunleavy in place of his quote frame
up defense, though views heard London proclaim quote he was
normal except he had a compulsion to kill. Unquote hmmm,
(53:09):
that he's not normal no Now, Robert Stone branded Schaeffer
quote one of America's worst serial killers ever. Dunleey called
Schaeffer a quote monster and a diseased specimen that, closing
the segment with a prayer that Schaeffer quote find his
hell on earth now. Schaeffer would write to London, quote,
(53:33):
we're through after viewing the program. Quote You've taped a
black hole of genuine rage and it's focused on you.
Just never speak my name to anyone anywhere ever. Again,
I've met a number of people from the Satanist underground
to express my appreciation for what you've said. I've explained
(53:57):
to them about your daughter. They'll probably get in touch
with her personally. If you want to make an issue
of this, then the kid is gonna be the one
to pay the tab am. I clear, and that's where
we're gonna end Part two of Giar John Jay. This
is a he is a bad man. He's a god.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
He is so full of himself. And like, I don't
know if ties to.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
The mafia or none of that's true.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We're just gonna throw that out there. None of that's true.
None of that has ever come to light to have
any any credence to it at all. None of it.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
He throws it out there like it's this power.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Because to him it is. He thinks discussing. He's a
story writer. This is why, this is why I compared
him to l Ron Hubbard, because that was his whole
life was writing stories that he eventually believed himself. And
I think he's he's like that. He just has a
pension to kill people, you know, especially young girls. And
(55:06):
so that's why, like that's you know, we've made it
through pretty much his story. We'll probably finish off this
and then get into what he did next week. If
you're next week's not gonna be good, I'm just gonna
warn you it's not gonna be good. It's gonna be
bad because he did some terrible things. And then of
course we will end this with the tie into the
(55:26):
paranormal claims of the Devil's tree down in Florida, which.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Is part of the reason we picked this one.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
It's the reason why we pick this one is our
first one, you know, because there will be times where
we're just going to do true crime. It doesn't have
to have a paranormal you know, anything paranormal in it,
but that is why we picked this one.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yeah, I don't We're definitely not going to do big
name cases like they've been done.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
I don't want to always do those.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Literally, they're everywhere done by everyone, and I don't there's
nothing we could really add to it at this point,
so I think maybe you know, little little wow, smaller
known crimes literal we'll definitely be what we look into.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean we started with us when it's it
is a bigger case, but you know, it's get our
kind of bearings a bit.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
With the paranormal tie to kick it out. This is
also like.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
A well known that I haven't heard on every single
podcast that I listened to, you know, so it was
kind of perfect. It was something with a lot of information.
Most of this, you know. I do want to point
out that that the majority of this that we've read
today comes from crimelibrary dot org and it's basically like
an online book of this dude, and it's and it's
(56:38):
really well written, and it's very well documented, and that's
why I used it. It's really good. So if you
want to read the entirety of it, it's there. If
you'd like to go read it, you know, if you
could care less what we say, I get it.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
But you can do our feelings.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
You can do that. But we're going to end it here,
and let's see if you can remember this. Where can
they find us?
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Well, they can find us on Instagram at for the
Booze Underscore podcast, and on Facebook at for the Booze.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
That's right. You can also find us on YouTube right
here on YouTube for the Booze. What's my other one?
On not Twitter? On x at for the Booze and
what do I says? I don't remember how to do
this either? Just look us up online. It's for the Booze.
(57:25):
We're everywhere.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
If you'd like to send us any show suggestions or stories, stories,
personal stories that we would love to share on the show,
you can send them to for the Booze at gmail
dot com. There it is for the Boost twelve at gmail.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, that's probably more right, yeah it is. And if
you would like to join Patreon, you can find us
over there on Patreon. And you know, we kind of
failed our Patreon members. I'm not gonna lie. We did,
and we love you guys, the ones that stuck around.
I again, I said it in our other you know,
our Patreon episode, like, I really appreciate you giving me
(58:01):
the time that I needed to get through this time
that I had, but our Patreon they make it possible.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
They do. So you guys are so great and we
are so grateful to have you, and thank you for
your understanding. And you will be getting your behind the
booze already. You will have our got it maybe another one,
maybe an extra I don't know.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, yeah, they've already had it. So thank you, so
thank you guys. And I think I think is that
is that everything?
Speaker 1 (58:30):
I think?
Speaker 2 (58:31):
So I think we did it all right? Good and
kick us out of here.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
Well, thank you everybody so much for listening, and we
will see you in the next one.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Bye. Don't uh, don't go in the woods by yourself.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
We're bye.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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