March 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Welcome Back B-oo's Crew! This week we take our final journey into the murderous world of the killer cop, Gerard John Schaefer! When we last left him he was sitting in jail angry about how his story was being told...but, what did he actually do to land himself in there. Unfortunatley, this week we will find out his crimes together...and it's not good!
Get ready Crew, this is going to get weird, and kind of gross if we are being honest. Put the kids to bed, pour yourslelf a drink and get ready as we explore the final days of "The Butcher of Blind Creek!"
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey everybody, and welcome back to four the bo That's unfair.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I really feel like I should have done that this week.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Go for it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's too late, now do it. Hey everybody, and welcome
back to four Boo.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's fried.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We are back. This is gonna be the wrap up
of the true crime portion of Gerar John Schaeffer, the
killer cop in Port Saint Lucy, and I have I
have left this privilege to Meghan because she's gonna have
to say some pretty terrible things. I was really stressed
in the last couple of days on like how I
wanted to edit this. So you're probably seeing this maybe
(01:17):
a day or two late. I'm doing my best. This
isn't something that we would normally cover, right, I mean
it is now so I'm getting used to it. But
we are going to talk about some things in this
episode that are They're not family friendly. They are definitely
not kid friendly. This is we are going to speak
about the crimes that he committed. So it is going
(01:38):
to get a little It is going to get kind
of rough. It is going to get kind of rough.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's pretty gross. There's I mean, there are some parts
that are legitimately just gross. They are just gross. They're
not even like like gross towards women, or they're just gross.
He's pretty nasty. So let's uh, yeah, I don't know
what else to say. This one was weird to write
because I'm so used to writing paranormal stuff. Yeah, and
(02:06):
then we got into this one and it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Was just like, well, in my handsome he was trying
to say, he's worried about editing this thing very, so
just bear with us very we're getting we're getting our
bearings on the true crime. We definitely are excited to
start doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'm sure it'll come out fine, but it's just different.
It's just different. Yeah, it's it's gonna be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So no kids, ear muffs, be careful.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Don't even listen to it around your pets. I don't
think they'll appreciate that. Well, we found out last week
he was terrible with pets.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, and he definitely left a woman's dog and her
apartment to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Start, And he definitely made love to dead cows. I
mean that's something that really did happen. What weird, But
what do you say? We go ahead and get into
this one? Okay, let her rip Megan, this is this
is weird to feel like that. Why I don't even
know my glasses or anything? I know because I don't
have to.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Gerard Schaeffer was found guilty of killing Georgia Jessup seventeen
and Susan Place, sixteen, both of Broward County, whose mutilated
and decapitated remains were discovered in April nineteen seventy three
in shallow graves near Blind Creek Beach on Hutchinson Island
(03:22):
near Fort Pierce. Authorities believe Jessup in Place were murdered
between September twenty seventh and December seventh of nineteen seventy two.
Their remains were found whilst Schaeffer was serving a six
month sentence at the Martin County Jail for assaulting two girls,
one seventeen and the other eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He clearly has a type, yes, and his type is
normally teenage girls. There are cases where it was discovered
that they believe he was responsible for the two little girls,
but that was for something completely different where he claimed
to had tried cannibalism. So bear that of mind. All
(04:07):
of his victims are they're teenage girls, which I think
is even more atrocious, like it's bad enough to do
this kind of thing, but you target children. Children are
your target, and that to me is literally the worst.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It is the worst, literally the worst. In the assault case,
Schaeffer pleaded guilty to picking up the women while they
were hitchhiking, bringing them to a wooded area in Hutchinson Island,
tying nooses around their necks, and threatening them with bizarre
sexual acts. It was on July twenty first, nineteen seventy two,
(04:45):
that Schaeffer picked up two hitchhikers, seventeen year old Pamela
Wells an eighteen year old Nancy Trotter, on the highway
near a local beach. He would lie to them, telling
them that hitchhiking was illegal in Martin County, then drove
them back to a halfway house where they were staying.
Schaeffer offered to meet them the next morning while off
(05:08):
duty and drive them to the beach himself. The girls agreed,
but instead of taking them to the beach on July
twenty second, Schaeffer drove them to swampy hunches in Island
off State Road A one A. There, he started making
sexual remarks, then drew his gun and told the girls
(05:28):
he planned to sell them as quote, white slaves to
a foreign prostitution syndicate. Forcing them out of the car,
He found both girls and left them balanced on tree
roots with nooses around their necks, putting them at risk
of hanging if they slipped and fell.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Why why so descriptive of your white slaves?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't I found Now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It is such a weird I'd feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
At gunpoint with nooses around their neck to a tree,
that's probably the least of their worries.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Agreed, I mean absolutely agree.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It is sick. Yeah, good, so gross.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah. Schaeffer then left them there, promising to return shortly,
but the girls escaped while he was gone and reached
the highway, where they flagged down a passing police car.
They had no problem identifying their assailant, since Schaeffer had
told them his name idiot. By that time, Schaeffer had
(06:30):
discovered their escape and telephone Sheriff Richard Crowder. Quote. I've
done something foolish, Shaeffer told his boss. You're going to
be mad at me. End quote. He had overdone his job,
Shaeffer said, trying to scare the girls, out of hitchhiking
in the future for their own good. Fired on the spot,
(06:53):
charged with false imprisonmen two counts of aggravated assault. Schaeffer
was released on a fifteen thousand dollars bond. It was
during this time that on September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy two,
while Schaeffer was free on bond pending trial, seventeen year
old Susan Place and sixteen year old Georgia Jessup had
(07:17):
vanished from Fort Lauderdale. Susan's parents said the girls were
last seen at her house, leaving with an older man
named Jerry Shepherd on their way to play guitar at
a nearby beach. They never came back, but Lucille Place
had noticed Shaeffer's license plate number, along with the description
(07:41):
of his blue green Dotson. It was March twenty fifth,
nineteen seventy three, before sluggish investigators traced the plate number
back to Schaeffer, by which time he was already in
jail for assaulting the teenage girls.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want to point something out here. If they would
have originally kept him in jail for the first thing
that he did, none of these other girls would have
come up missing abso freaking because they let him out
on and I mean honestly, for abducting two teenage girls
fifteen thousand dollars bond, that's not very much, so minuscule
(08:21):
for the crime, but they let him out, and because
of that, we have a bunch a bunch of missing
teenage girls toppen. No, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
if they would have just kept him in. I'm not
saying they had to throw the book at him, but
just kept him in until like a trial date or whatever.
I understand, it's, you know, it's fair, but in a hindsight,
(08:43):
it's it really sucks knowing that had they just kept
him a little longer, that none of this other stuff
would have happened. Absolutely, because I think the not all,
but the majority of his crimes happened during this time.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So terrifying, so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, this is like what did they call it?
There's serial killers have this thing where they have like
a cool down, cool down bered, but then they have
I forget what they'd call it when they go out killing.
But like he went out on like a murderous rage.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So gross.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now, Shaeffer denied any contact with Place and Jessup, but
the case began unraveling on April first, nineteen seventy three,
when skeletal remains were found on Hutchinson Island by three
men collecting aluminum cans. Four days later, the victims were
identified from dental records. Susan Place had been shot in
(09:39):
the jaw, detectives remarking that evidence from the crime scene
indicated the two girls were quote tied to a tree
and butchered end quote. On April seventh, police searched the
home of Shaeffer's mother, where Gerard had personal items stored
in a spare bedroom.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
All right, real quick, this is uh. We had mentioned this,
I think in the last episode. Possibly, I know we
mentioned this before, how the police went to his parents' house.
We are going to get almost like a full list
of what was found. Oh god, and some of it's
really bizarre. Some of it. Some of it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, I get the trophy, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
This isn't. This isn't. I'm not. I'm not talking about trophies.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, random crap.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He's a he's a creator. Oh, he likes to make stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, he's more of like a he's more of like
an artist, saying okay, and a writer. He's also a writer.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, well we learned that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, we're gonna find out what he writes about. I
couldn't actually, I'm gonna be honest, So I couldn't actually
find even though the book exists. Without buying the book,
I couldn't actually find any of the writings. I can't
find any of the pictures. I don't understand why, but
like I did search, I searched pretty hard, but I
couldn't find any of it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Evidence recovered in the search included a stash of women's jewelry,
newspaper clippings about two women that had been missing since
nineteen sixty nine, and pieces of IDs belonging to vanished
hitchhikers collect Goodenough and Barbara Wilcox, both nineteen that's good enough.
(11:19):
We already talked about these women. The two girls had
last been seen alive on January eighth, a week before
Schaeffer was sent to jail in Martin County, and while
their skeletal remains were found in early nineteen seventy seven,
no cause of death could be determined, thus no charges
(11:39):
were ever filed. As for the newspaper clippings, one referred
to the February nineteen sixty nine disappearance of waitress Carmen Hollock,
seemingly abducted from her home. Items of her jewelry were
found in Shafer's stash, along with a gold filled tooth
(12:00):
identified by Hollick's demist, but once again no charges were filed.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Another thing I want to touch on real quick is
this Carmen Halleck. I actually feel really bad for her family.
They still have websites up looking for information about her.
Oh my, it's I believe it's called like Findcarmenhallick dot
com or something like that. But her family is still
I mean, this is fifty five years ago or something like,
(12:27):
they are still looking those port Yeah, I mean it's
it's pretty. It's pretty terrible. Yeah, it makes it. I
felt pretty bad when I saw it, if I'm being honest.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The second missing woman, Lee Bonnadez, had been a neighbor
of Schaeffer's when she disappeared in September nineteen sixty nine.
He had complained of her taunting him by undressing with
her curtains open, and a piece of her jewelry was
also found among his belongings, but of course no charges
(12:59):
were filed. When her skeleton remains were finally recovered in
nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
The more jewelry linked Shaeffer to the disappearance of fourteen
year old married Briscolina, who vanished from Broward County with
thirteen year old Elsie Farmer in October nineteen seventy two.
Their skeletons were found in early nineteen seventy three, but
again no cause of death could be determined and no
charges were ever filed.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
How many times have we heard that already?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's so bad?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Too many, way, too many. One is too many, and.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A thousand is never enough.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Oh my god, that's no, That's not where I was going.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But okay, if you know, you know. Inside that locked
bedroom at the Fort Lauderdale residence of Shaeffer's mother's home,
police found three hundred pages of lurid stories, occasionally accompanied
by crude illustrations Shaeffer had both handwritten and typed over
the course of several years. He's a creator, oh Goad.
(13:59):
These stories detailed to kidnapping, humiliation, essay, and execution by
hanging of a number of teenage girls and young women,
whom he routinely referred to as quote, whores, sluts, and harlots,
including to name Belinda and Carmen, and an unidentified woman
(14:20):
whom he graphically described hanging at an unknown location close
to power Line Road. And he he kind of pushed
these off as fiction. No, but they're very clearly about
They're not just about women. They're about specific women.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Who he had a hand and hurting.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't have a hand in him. He did it,
and he just did it, and he did it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Several of these narratives indicate Schaeffer had forced his victims
to drink beverages, typically beer or wine. Because when I
first read that, I was like, like motor oil or something.
As they stood upon makeshift platforms with a noose around
their necks, that he could observe them urinating prior to
their hanging. This is a big thing for him. This
is something that he's super into. Stop it, yeah, I'm yeah.
(15:14):
He had frequently returned to his crime scenes weeks or
months after the actual murders in order to commit acts
of necrophilia with buried and dismembered bodies or to extract
teeth from the skull. His writings also revealed his fascination
with historical methods of torture and execution, and the pleasure
he derived from observing acutely distressed females urinate and or
(15:37):
defecate prior to or at the end of their hanging.
That's really hard to read. It's really gross. Who even
thinks of these It's like, Okay, well, look, I'm gonna
be I'm just gonna be real. Okay, if you're an adult,
which I hope you aren't listening to us, you've been
on the internet, You've been to or least know of
(16:01):
adult websites, will say that there are honestly categories for
people that are into the stuff. So, I mean it's
not I mean, it's not something that I'm into or anything.
But he's not the only person who's maybe not right
before they're about to be hanged or anything. But there
(16:21):
is a category for these people, and no kink shame.
If you're in jokes, that's fine, I.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Get it, but like when you're doing it in the
middle of trying to torture and murder these people, But
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's the reason the world has snuff films, because there
are people out there that are into this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's really gross. It's hard to read because to us
it seems so out there. Right, Yeah, so, but I
have to say again, I have to qualify this with
He's not the only one that's into this kind of thing,
but he is the only one out.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
There actively doing it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh, I can't even say he's the only one out
there actively doing it because he inspired other people to
do it. It's just really it's really disgusting. It's really
hard I have. This is why I had to put
in our last video, like I had to explain, like
I'm always smiling and laughing and stuff because a lot
of this stuff makes me very uncomfortable, so uncomfortable, it
makes me really uncomfortable. That's just how I deal with
(17:30):
that is like I tend to try to laugh at off. Right.
I've got power through it, but it's it is hard.
It is hard to get through some of this stuff.
And I am going to pass it back over to
you to get through the worst it so you can
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, also found where eleven guns bags filled with live
and spent cartridges, thirteen hunting knives, sections of rope, and
scores of softcore adult content magazines which he had modified
to depict nude urinating women, bounce with ropes, hanging from
trees or other makeshift gallows, or bearing bullet wounds. Now,
(18:06):
other images recovered were thirty seven black and white polaroid
photographs depicting women being hanged and or mutilated. Several other
images depicted Schaeffer dressed in a female garment simulating his own,
hanging from a tree with fecal matter smeared across his
own buttocks. So now we're finding out that he's in
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the But look, I want to make a point though,
because last week you made a point to say this,
when he was a kid, he wanted to be a girl.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, because of the way his father clearly.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Has affected him over time. Because now he's dressing as
a woman and doing things, he's obviously doing things for
himself too. So yeah, okay, it's it's weird. It's so weird,
Gerard Schaeffer, You're a weird dude.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Now. A letter dated July twentieth, nineteen seventy one from
an individual in Brunswick, East Victoria, Australia, whom Schaefer had
become acquainted with in Morocco in the summer of nineteen seventy. Remember,
because he used to travel contain scores of polaroid images.
This individual had taken of a quote village in the Sahara.
The two had encountered following what his companion termed a
(19:23):
quote wog massacre. Now I'm very aware that that word
is a like a racial slur I think over in England.
But this is how this is all factual information of
both Europeans and Arabians. Now, several of these images depicted
women who had been extensively disemboweled and otherwise mutilated with
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nives and access. These are real pictures. So it makes
me wonder did he you know he They said that
they believed he had more victims on other continents, and
I wonder if these are these are victims of theirs
and not that he has pictures of because I think
the way they tried to play it off was that
like this guy stumbled across a massacre and photographed it.
(20:09):
But I wonder. I don't either, I don't need but
we're never gonna know for sure. And I don't think
anything ever happened to this friend either, which he was
clearly there and he was clearly into it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So I'm not sure. And this stuff is like, you
can't this isn't like readily available stuff on the internet either.
So it's strange. It's very strange.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh, it's so weird. The April sixth search of Schaeffer's
Martin County residence yielded less physical evidence, although investigators did
recover two human teeth kept in a plastic capsule inside
the master bedroom, several knives and firearms inside a utility shed,
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and an extensively bloodstained white pillowcase which had evidently been washed.
Jessup's distinctive Swede purse was discovered to have been in
the possession of Shaeffer's wife. She later informed police her
husband had given her the item as a gift in
about November of the previous year. Shaffer had attempted to
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persuade both her and his brother in law, Henry Dean,
to discard the item upon learning of the April first
discoveries in Oakhammock Park, with the explanation the police may
have used the item to make up some kind of
evidence against him. Despite Shaffer's efforts, his brother in law
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had given them to.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The police, so he tried to convince his wife and
her brother to lie about it, and the brother in
law was not having that. I was like, yeah, no, bro,
and weird because I remember when I first saw this,
I talk about this bloodstained pillowcase, but there's really no
other information about it. But this is also the days
(22:05):
before DNA testing.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, DNA and like super testing.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Wonder if they ever tested it, like, because I'm sure
they still have it somewhere. Yeah, and who does it
belong to.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Be very interesting to know.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to try to see if I
can find that. Actually to a little update, leader well,
because they test things like that years and years later,
that's why they save them. So I'm curious if it
was ever discovered whose blood it was? Hey, guys, editing
Steve here and I just wanted to give the update
that Megan just alluded to, But there is no update.
(22:40):
I can find nothing on the majority of this stuff.
I don't know if it was just because of the
timeframe or I don't know. A lot of this stuff
is super hard to find. If you know anything about
it or you can find anything. Email me. I would
love to know, but anyways, back to you, Megan m.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The list of suspected victims would continue to grow over time,
but Schaeffer faced charges in only two murders. He was
indicted on May eighteenth, nineteen seventy three, for the slayings
of Jessup and place held without bond pending trial. He
was convicted on two counts of first degree murder in
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October nineteen seventy three, drawing concurrent terms of life imprisonment.
Before his death, Gerard Schaeffer was suspected of killing dozens
of young women across South Florida and elsewhere. Family members
of many of his victims felt their last chance to
find out what happened to their loved ones died with him.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But one CoP's passion to solve the case did not
vanish when Schaeffer, forty nine, died in nineteen ninety five
in Florida State Prison, where he was serving two life
sentences for murder. A Fort Lauderdale homicide detective John Curcio
has been gathering information and sending it to the FBI's
five year old Missing Person's DNA database. As a means
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to identify remains found around South Florida. Now, just to
let you know, this is from an article I saw
from two thousand and five. Oh okay, okay, so this
is quite a few years ago. I don't know if
this detective is still around doing this, but just so
you know, this is written in five that detective Cursio
(24:29):
started working with the family of Debra Sue Low, another
of Shaeffer's suspective victims. The thirteen year old was last
seen at about eight thirty am on a drizzly Tuesday
as she walked to Rickard's Middle School in Fort Lauderdale
on February twenty ninth, nineteen seventy two, wearing black slacks
with roses, a yellow blouse, and a tan poncho the
(24:50):
very seventies.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The three of Debbie's siblings, Eva, James, and Cheryl submitted
DNA samples to the Florida Department of Law Enforcements Missing
Person's DNA database in the hopes that Debbie's remains would
be matched. The Low families DNA was also entered into
the FBI's national database. A Cursio believed Schaeffer, a former
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Wilton Manors police officer and Martin County Sheriff's deputy abducted, tortured, murdered,
and assaulted dozens of women across South Florida and other
states in the late sixties and early seventies. Like Debbie,
many of the missing have never been located. Quote. We
believe Shaffer is responsible for the murders of a lot
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of women, said Curcio, the veteran homicide detective. Quote. We
just have to find the families of his victims and
get their DNA entered and compare it to all the
unidentified remains sitting in medical examiner's offices.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He was on a mission trying to close the cases
of two young Fort Lauderdale women, Carmen Halleck twenty two
and Belinda Hutchins, who disappeared between nineteen sixty eight and
nineteen seventy two. Cursio believed Shaeffer is responsible for the
murder of a third Fort Lauderdale woman, Lee Bonnadine's Pinline
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twenty five, who vanished in nineteen sixty eight. All had
ties to Schaeffer. When police executed the search Warran in
nineteen seventy three, they found jewelry, teeth, and other possessions
belonging to each of the women. Police also found short
stories in the home that Schaeffer wrote about abduction, assault,
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and strangulation of young women, including a woman named Carmen.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
He names these stories after the women. That's what is
crazy in how they didn't use this against him. He
has short stories that go into great detail about what
he did with these girls' names on them, but they
did nothing with them.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Literally, it is very upsetting, is so upset.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's almost this is almost as good as a handwritten confession.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Agreed. It's ridiculous, even the loudest that you yell, Oh,
it's fiction. It's no, it is not.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Clearly it is no. It is by name.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
M M.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's crazy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
The Carmen in his story were a black chiffon dress.
The stories were typed, double spaced on white paper. Schaeffer
also admitted to writing the stories, but said they were fiction. However,
in a strange twist, Hallick's sister told police her sister
bought a new black dress for a date with a
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married teacher. We may never know how many slain women
litter the path of this vicious killer, as recently, as
June twenty twenty two, new evidence surfaced which might link
Schaeffer to a forty eight year old cold case. In
June nineteen seventy four, the skeletal remains of Singer Island
(28:06):
Jane Doe were discovered near the waters of Palm Beach County, Florida.
The local sheriff's office failed to make a connection between
the missing girl and the local killer cop. The erosion
of evidence and lack of ID stopped the investigation before
it began. Now, thanks to DNA analysis technology, those remains
(28:29):
were identified as Susan Gail Pool.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A Pool's purse was left on a friend's couch before
she went missing in December nineteen seventy two. Schaefer was
out on bail at this time for his abduction of
Pamela Wells and Annty Trotter Heer. The Washington Post current
detective William Springer says, quote Schaeffer is the best suspect.
Springer noted that Schaefer's mo was to pick up young
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girl's hitchhiking and the body's location quote tied up in
the main groves, fits his known crimes. If Pool had
her purse, the day she went missing, perhaps it would
have found its way into Shaffer's collection. But what did
Shaeffer do to his victims once he had them in
his grips.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Schaeffer would lure his victims by either claiming he was
from out of town and looking for help or wanting
to hang out, offering rides to girls hitchhiking. Sometimes he
would pick up his victims while on duty, telling them
whatever they were doing was illegal. Either way, he would
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get them into his vehicle and offer to drive them
to their destination. Once in his car, Schaeffer would drive
them to an out of the way swampy area and
force them out of the car at gunpoint. That's when
things got terrifying, if we go off of what we know.
He would have the girls stand on mangrove roots before
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tying pre made nooses around their necks, assuring them that
at any moment they would result in slipping, falling, and
of course hanging, garnering himself the nickname the Hangman. But
it goes farther than that. From this point, with the
girls tied up and held at gunpoint, the games would begin.
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He would scare them by telling them they were being
sold into foreign sex trade. He would also have the
girls choose which would be the first to die, getting
off on the fear in their voices. He then went
into the mutilation. He would make one girl watch as
he gouged out eyes and cut deep gashes into their friends,
(30:50):
while telling the other they were next. The next part
is a bit foggy. Some believe it is at this
point he would assault them, but it is believed by
many that after his victims took their last breath, that's
when he would begin to act on his necrophiliac urges,
(31:11):
just like he did with the mutilated decapitated cattle from
his youth.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
This is where the story of Gerard John Schaeffer's Nightmarish
Rain ends, But it's not the end of the story completely. Now,
let's talk about a man named Vincent Rivera. On February tenth,
nineteen ninety, Vincent Faustino Rivera met forty three year old
Grace Anthony at a bar. He talked his way into
her home, and eventually he murdered her. She was found
(31:41):
strangled to death on her bedroom floor by her children
a few days later. Now, although the police initially said
that she had been beaten to death, They later said
it looked like she died of natural causes. I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'm sorry, what I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What I feel like, that's not one that you would
confuse with dying of natural causes.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, No, like if you beat.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Somebody to death, they don't look like they just had.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A stroke, beaten and strangled.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Very strange. It's a very strange.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
He'll tell things there to say that that is definitely
not It's weird.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Kevin Lamar Davis was an African American hairstylist in Tampa, Florida.
He was driving down the street with some friends when
he made a terrible mistake. He unknowingly offered a ride
to his soon to be killer as he walked down
the street. Now a week later, Rivera and some of
his friends visited Davis. Now, the friends left, and Rivera
stabbed Davis to death in his home at eighty three
(32:36):
point fifteen Iberia Place that Rivera fled to Miami, ditched
the car and flew to Los Angeles. Police caught up
with Rivera less than a week later in California. He
was using Davis's stolen credit cards and pawned some of
Davis's jewelry. He was offering to pay guests hotel expenses
if they gave him cash in return, which doesn't make
(32:57):
any sense to me. I don't understand that. Oh I
do get it, he was saying, with credit cards. He
has to get it now. Once under arrest, Rivera confessed
to murdering Davis and Anthony. He was found to have
had IDs from multiple people, and police in California sent
Rivera back to Florida, where he faced murder charges. Even
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though his crime seemed well planned. Two psychiatrists said Rivera
was incompetent, and the claim was that he hallucinated and
was incoherent. His lawyer said, quote he was an awful
sick puppy, and one psychiatrist, doctor Melvin Gardner, said Rivera
had the highest potential for homicide he had ever seen.
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He recommended Rivera be quote under heavy sedation and be
maintained in this way at the state hospital. And Gardner
had previously interviewed other murderers, including serial killer Bobby Joe Long,
who terrorized Tampa in the nineteen eighties. The prosecutor said
it could take months for Rivera to stabilize quote, Hopefully
we'll get him back in three months so I can
(34:03):
put him in the electric chair where he belongs. Ronald
and Ficaroda said, lock him up. That's a name, Lock
him up, Foedau. We come across some very strange, not strange,
just unique, like ones I've never heard before. I mean,
it's very Italian name. And Rivera had told the police
(34:23):
he fled to New York for Florida because Florida had
the death penalty and he wanted to die. But before trial,
Rivera changed his mind and in a deal, pled guilty
to avoid the death penalty in state prison. After the trial,
Rivera was said to be problematic bet he filed appeals
about the trial, sentencing and human rights complaints. He filed
(34:45):
so many appeals that the United States Supreme Court got
so frustrated they forbade non criminal writs because they were
too frivolous, and Rivera then filed a complaint in response.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
He was just a complain in yoh wow, and they
were like, you know. He went on to have forty
seven disciplinary write ups in five years, including assaults on
other prisoners. On December third, nineteen ninety five, Rivera would
take it upon himself to kill serial killer Gerard Schaeffer.
(35:21):
It is unclear why it happened, but it is said
to have been over hot water or Rivera might have
been a hired assassin. He was sentenced to an additional
fifty three years and ten months. Rivera was given more
time for serial killer Gerard Schaeffer's murder than for the
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innocent victims he killed. Today, Rivera has the distinction of
killing another serial killer. Rivera, however, is pretty well unknown.
He has only mentioned on Schaeffer's wiki page. And that's it.
That's the story of Gerard John Schaeffer, or is it?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Because we have one more episode, okay, and it's going
to be about the stain that he left on a
specific area in Florida, because what we didn't really talk about.
I mean, we've talked about it in other parts of
this but uh, there is a place that is said
to be haunted because of him, and it's called the
(36:27):
del Tree down in Florida. And this is actually where
he would tie the nooses to the girls and tie
them around trees and specifically do those terrible things to
these girls. Was in was in this little spot and
the tree has a name.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So here comes the paranormal tie in.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, which is how we ended up on this story
in the first place. I'm hoping I don't have to
read anymore like gross stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I don't want to. I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We haven't done a paranormal episode in a while, so
I'm kind of excited. Yeah, me too, And I have
I have some ideas for some upcoming stuff too, so
it's going to be different. Like I'm I'm tired of
just talking about one thing. We're bigger than that, so
we are gonna We're going to get into some other
weird stuff. I think.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Oh yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
My beautiful wife just bought me a drone for Valentine's Day,
so if we can get because I don't know if
you some of you are my friends on Facebook that listen,
and I like taking photos and stuff, So if we
can get a local location, I'm going to get my
drone out there so I can get my own footage. Yeah,
I'm excited about that. So this is where the story
(37:44):
of Georgejohn Shaffer's life ends. But unfortunately, we think he
might have left us something that we're going to have
to get into next week. So aren't you excited?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I am?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
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But see now, I think she probably does listen in
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smarter than American.
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We have here. But it's just less likely. So I'm curious.
Let me know, do you listen to us in English?
Like did you get to hear how bad we read?
Or or do you listen or is it translated? I
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Hey everybody, and welcome back to four the bo That's unfair.
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back to four Boo.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's fried.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We are back. This is gonna be the wrap up
of the true crime portion of Gerar John Schaeffer, the
killer cop in Port Saint Lucy, and I have I
have left this privilege to Meghan because she's gonna have
to say some pretty terrible things. I was really stressed
in the last couple of days on like how I
wanted to edit this. So you're probably seeing this maybe
(01:17):
a day or two late. I'm doing my best. This
isn't something that we would normally cover, right, I mean
it is now so I'm getting used to it. But
we are going to talk about some things in this
episode that are They're not family friendly. They are definitely
not kid friendly. This is we are going to speak
about the crimes that he committed. So it is going
(01:38):
to get a little It is going to get kind
of rough. It is going to get kind of rough.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's pretty gross. There's I mean, there are some parts
that are legitimately just gross. They are just gross. They're
not even like like gross towards women, or they're just gross.
He's pretty nasty. So let's uh, yeah, I don't know
what else to say. This one was weird to write
because I'm so used to writing paranormal stuff. Yeah, and
(02:06):
then we got into this one and it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Was just like, well, in my handsome he was trying
to say, he's worried about editing this thing very, so
just bear with us very we're getting we're getting our
bearings on the true crime. We definitely are excited to
start doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'm sure it'll come out fine, but it's just different.
It's just different. Yeah, it's it's gonna be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So no kids, ear muffs, be careful.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Don't even listen to it around your pets. I don't
think they'll appreciate that. Well, we found out last week
he was terrible with pets.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, and he definitely left a woman's dog and her
apartment to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Start, And he definitely made love to dead cows. I
mean that's something that really did happen. What weird, But
what do you say? We go ahead and get into
this one? Okay, let her rip Megan, this is this
is weird to feel like that. Why I don't even
know my glasses or anything? I know because I don't
have to.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Gerard Schaeffer was found guilty of killing Georgia Jessup seventeen
and Susan Place, sixteen, both of Broward County, whose mutilated
and decapitated remains were discovered in April nineteen seventy three
in shallow graves near Blind Creek Beach on Hutchinson Island
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near Fort Pierce. Authorities believe Jessup in Place were murdered
between September twenty seventh and December seventh of nineteen seventy two.
Their remains were found whilst Schaeffer was serving a six
month sentence at the Martin County Jail for assaulting two girls,
one seventeen and the other eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He clearly has a type, yes, and his type is
normally teenage girls. There are cases where it was discovered
that they believe he was responsible for the two little girls,
but that was for something completely different where he claimed
to had tried cannibalism. So bear that of mind. All
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of his victims are they're teenage girls, which I think
is even more atrocious, like it's bad enough to do
this kind of thing, but you target children. Children are
your target, and that to me is literally the worst.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It is the worst, literally the worst. In the assault case,
Schaeffer pleaded guilty to picking up the women while they
were hitchhiking, bringing them to a wooded area in Hutchinson Island,
tying nooses around their necks, and threatening them with bizarre
sexual acts. It was on July twenty first, nineteen seventy two,
(04:45):
that Schaeffer picked up two hitchhikers, seventeen year old Pamela
Wells an eighteen year old Nancy Trotter, on the highway
near a local beach. He would lie to them, telling
them that hitchhiking was illegal in Martin County, then drove
them back to a halfway house where they were staying.
Schaeffer offered to meet them the next morning while off
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duty and drive them to the beach himself. The girls agreed,
but instead of taking them to the beach on July
twenty second, Schaeffer drove them to swampy hunches in Island
off State Road A one A. There, he started making
sexual remarks, then drew his gun and told the girls
(05:28):
he planned to sell them as quote, white slaves to
a foreign prostitution syndicate. Forcing them out of the car,
He found both girls and left them balanced on tree
roots with nooses around their necks, putting them at risk
of hanging if they slipped and fell.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Why why so descriptive of your white slaves?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't I found Now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It is such a weird I'd feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
At gunpoint with nooses around their neck to a tree,
that's probably the least of their worries.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Agreed, I mean absolutely agree.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It is sick. Yeah, good, so gross.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah. Schaeffer then left them there, promising to return shortly,
but the girls escaped while he was gone and reached
the highway, where they flagged down a passing police car.
They had no problem identifying their assailant, since Schaeffer had
told them his name idiot. By that time, Schaeffer had
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discovered their escape and telephone Sheriff Richard Crowder. Quote. I've
done something foolish, Shaeffer told his boss. You're going to
be mad at me. End quote. He had overdone his job,
Shaeffer said, trying to scare the girls, out of hitchhiking
in the future for their own good. Fired on the spot,
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charged with false imprisonmen two counts of aggravated assault. Schaeffer
was released on a fifteen thousand dollars bond. It was
during this time that on September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy two,
while Schaeffer was free on bond pending trial, seventeen year
old Susan Place and sixteen year old Georgia Jessup had
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vanished from Fort Lauderdale. Susan's parents said the girls were
last seen at her house, leaving with an older man
named Jerry Shepherd on their way to play guitar at
a nearby beach. They never came back, but Lucille Place
had noticed Shaeffer's license plate number, along with the description
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of his blue green Dotson. It was March twenty fifth,
nineteen seventy three, before sluggish investigators traced the plate number
back to Schaeffer, by which time he was already in
jail for assaulting the teenage girls.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want to point something out here. If they would
have originally kept him in jail for the first thing
that he did, none of these other girls would have
come up missing abso freaking because they let him out
on and I mean honestly, for abducting two teenage girls
fifteen thousand dollars bond, that's not very much, so minuscule
(08:21):
for the crime, but they let him out, and because
of that, we have a bunch a bunch of missing
teenage girls toppen. No, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
if they would have just kept him in. I'm not
saying they had to throw the book at him, but
just kept him in until like a trial date or whatever.
I understand, it's, you know, it's fair, but in a hindsight,
(08:43):
it's it really sucks knowing that had they just kept
him a little longer, that none of this other stuff
would have happened. Absolutely, because I think the not all,
but the majority of his crimes happened during this time.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So terrifying, so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, this is like what did they call it?
There's serial killers have this thing where they have like
a cool down, cool down bered, but then they have
I forget what they'd call it when they go out killing.
But like he went out on like a murderous rage.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So gross.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now, Shaeffer denied any contact with Place and Jessup, but
the case began unraveling on April first, nineteen seventy three,
when skeletal remains were found on Hutchinson Island by three
men collecting aluminum cans. Four days later, the victims were
identified from dental records. Susan Place had been shot in
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the jaw, detectives remarking that evidence from the crime scene
indicated the two girls were quote tied to a tree
and butchered end quote. On April seventh, police searched the
home of Shaeffer's mother, where Gerard had personal items stored
in a spare bedroom.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
All right, real quick, this is uh. We had mentioned this,
I think in the last episode. Possibly, I know we
mentioned this before, how the police went to his parents' house.
We are going to get almost like a full list
of what was found. Oh god, and some of it's
really bizarre. Some of it. Some of it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, I get the trophy, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
This isn't. This isn't. I'm not. I'm not talking about trophies.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, random crap.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He's a he's a creator. Oh, he likes to make stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, he's more of like a he's more of like
an artist, saying okay, and a writer. He's also a writer.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, well we learned that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, we're gonna find out what he writes about. I
couldn't actually, I'm gonna be honest, So I couldn't actually
find even though the book exists. Without buying the book,
I couldn't actually find any of the writings. I can't
find any of the pictures. I don't understand why, but
like I did search, I searched pretty hard, but I
couldn't find any of it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Evidence recovered in the search included a stash of women's jewelry,
newspaper clippings about two women that had been missing since
nineteen sixty nine, and pieces of IDs belonging to vanished
hitchhikers collect Goodenough and Barbara Wilcox, both nineteen that's good enough.
(11:19):
We already talked about these women. The two girls had
last been seen alive on January eighth, a week before
Schaeffer was sent to jail in Martin County, and while
their skeletal remains were found in early nineteen seventy seven,
no cause of death could be determined, thus no charges
(11:39):
were ever filed. As for the newspaper clippings, one referred
to the February nineteen sixty nine disappearance of waitress Carmen Hollock,
seemingly abducted from her home. Items of her jewelry were
found in Shafer's stash, along with a gold filled tooth
(12:00):
identified by Hollick's demist, but once again no charges were filed.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Another thing I want to touch on real quick is
this Carmen Halleck. I actually feel really bad for her family.
They still have websites up looking for information about her.
Oh my, it's I believe it's called like Findcarmenhallick dot
com or something like that. But her family is still
I mean, this is fifty five years ago or something like,
(12:27):
they are still looking those port Yeah, I mean it's
it's pretty. It's pretty terrible. Yeah, it makes it. I
felt pretty bad when I saw it, if I'm being honest.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The second missing woman, Lee Bonnadez, had been a neighbor
of Schaeffer's when she disappeared in September nineteen sixty nine.
He had complained of her taunting him by undressing with
her curtains open, and a piece of her jewelry was
also found among his belongings, but of course no charges
(12:59):
were filed. When her skeleton remains were finally recovered in
nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
The more jewelry linked Shaeffer to the disappearance of fourteen
year old married Briscolina, who vanished from Broward County with
thirteen year old Elsie Farmer in October nineteen seventy two.
Their skeletons were found in early nineteen seventy three, but
again no cause of death could be determined and no
charges were ever filed.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
How many times have we heard that already?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's so bad?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Too many, way, too many. One is too many, and.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A thousand is never enough.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Oh my god, that's no, That's not where I was going.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But okay, if you know, you know. Inside that locked
bedroom at the Fort Lauderdale residence of Shaeffer's mother's home,
police found three hundred pages of lurid stories, occasionally accompanied
by crude illustrations Shaeffer had both handwritten and typed over
the course of several years. He's a creator, oh Goad.
(13:59):
These stories detailed to kidnapping, humiliation, essay, and execution by
hanging of a number of teenage girls and young women,
whom he routinely referred to as quote, whores, sluts, and harlots,
including to name Belinda and Carmen, and an unidentified woman
(14:20):
whom he graphically described hanging at an unknown location close
to power Line Road. And he he kind of pushed
these off as fiction. No, but they're very clearly about
They're not just about women. They're about specific women.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Who he had a hand and hurting.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't have a hand in him. He did it,
and he just did it, and he did it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Several of these narratives indicate Schaeffer had forced his victims
to drink beverages, typically beer or wine. Because when I
first read that, I was like, like motor oil or something.
As they stood upon makeshift platforms with a noose around
their necks, that he could observe them urinating prior to
their hanging. This is a big thing for him. This
is something that he's super into. Stop it, yeah, I'm yeah.
(15:14):
He had frequently returned to his crime scenes weeks or
months after the actual murders in order to commit acts
of necrophilia with buried and dismembered bodies or to extract
teeth from the skull. His writings also revealed his fascination
with historical methods of torture and execution, and the pleasure
he derived from observing acutely distressed females urinate and or
(15:37):
defecate prior to or at the end of their hanging.
That's really hard to read. It's really gross. Who even
thinks of these It's like, Okay, well, look, I'm gonna
be I'm just gonna be real. Okay, if you're an adult,
which I hope you aren't listening to us, you've been
on the internet, You've been to or least know of
(16:01):
adult websites, will say that there are honestly categories for
people that are into the stuff. So, I mean it's
not I mean, it's not something that I'm into or anything.
But he's not the only person who's maybe not right
before they're about to be hanged or anything. But there
(16:21):
is a category for these people, and no kink shame.
If you're in jokes, that's fine, I.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Get it, but like when you're doing it in the
middle of trying to torture and murder these people, But
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's the reason the world has snuff films, because there
are people out there that are into this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's really gross. It's hard to read because to us
it seems so out there. Right, Yeah, so, but I
have to say again, I have to qualify this with
He's not the only one that's into this kind of thing,
but he is the only one out.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
There actively doing it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh, I can't even say he's the only one out
there actively doing it because he inspired other people to
do it. It's just really it's really disgusting. It's really
hard I have. This is why I had to put
in our last video, like I had to explain, like
I'm always smiling and laughing and stuff because a lot
of this stuff makes me very uncomfortable, so uncomfortable, it
makes me really uncomfortable. That's just how I deal with
(17:30):
that is like I tend to try to laugh at off. Right.
I've got power through it, but it's it is hard.
It is hard to get through some of this stuff.
And I am going to pass it back over to
you to get through the worst it so you can
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, also found where eleven guns bags filled with live
and spent cartridges, thirteen hunting knives, sections of rope, and
scores of softcore adult content magazines which he had modified
to depict nude urinating women, bounce with ropes, hanging from
trees or other makeshift gallows, or bearing bullet wounds. Now,
(18:06):
other images recovered were thirty seven black and white polaroid
photographs depicting women being hanged and or mutilated. Several other
images depicted Schaeffer dressed in a female garment simulating his own,
hanging from a tree with fecal matter smeared across his
own buttocks. So now we're finding out that he's in
(18:29):
the But look, I want to make a point though,
because last week you made a point to say this,
when he was a kid, he wanted to be a girl.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, because of the way his father clearly.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Has affected him over time. Because now he's dressing as
a woman and doing things, he's obviously doing things for
himself too. So yeah, okay, it's it's weird. It's so weird,
Gerard Schaeffer, You're a weird dude.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Now. A letter dated July twentieth, nineteen seventy one from
an individual in Brunswick, East Victoria, Australia, whom Schaefer had
become acquainted with in Morocco in the summer of nineteen seventy. Remember,
because he used to travel contain scores of polaroid images.
This individual had taken of a quote village in the Sahara.
The two had encountered following what his companion termed a
(19:23):
quote wog massacre. Now I'm very aware that that word
is a like a racial slur I think over in England.
But this is how this is all factual information of
both Europeans and Arabians. Now, several of these images depicted
women who had been extensively disemboweled and otherwise mutilated with
(19:46):
nives and access. These are real pictures. So it makes
me wonder did he you know he They said that
they believed he had more victims on other continents, and
I wonder if these are these are victims of theirs
and not that he has pictures of because I think
the way they tried to play it off was that
like this guy stumbled across a massacre and photographed it.
(20:09):
But I wonder. I don't either, I don't need but
we're never gonna know for sure. And I don't think
anything ever happened to this friend either, which he was
clearly there and he was clearly into it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So I'm not sure. And this stuff is like, you
can't this isn't like readily available stuff on the internet either.
So it's strange. It's very strange.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh, it's so weird. The April sixth search of Schaeffer's
Martin County residence yielded less physical evidence, although investigators did
recover two human teeth kept in a plastic capsule inside
the master bedroom, several knives and firearms inside a utility shed,
(20:56):
and an extensively bloodstained white pillowcase which had evidently been washed.
Jessup's distinctive Swede purse was discovered to have been in
the possession of Shaeffer's wife. She later informed police her
husband had given her the item as a gift in
about November of the previous year. Shaffer had attempted to
(21:20):
persuade both her and his brother in law, Henry Dean,
to discard the item upon learning of the April first
discoveries in Oakhammock Park, with the explanation the police may
have used the item to make up some kind of
evidence against him. Despite Shaffer's efforts, his brother in law
(21:43):
had given them to.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The police, so he tried to convince his wife and
her brother to lie about it, and the brother in
law was not having that. I was like, yeah, no, bro,
and weird because I remember when I first saw this,
I talk about this bloodstained pillowcase, but there's really no
other information about it. But this is also the days
(22:05):
before DNA testing.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, DNA and like super testing.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Wonder if they ever tested it, like, because I'm sure
they still have it somewhere. Yeah, and who does it
belong to.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Be very interesting to know.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to try to see if I
can find that. Actually to a little update, leader well,
because they test things like that years and years later,
that's why they save them. So I'm curious if it
was ever discovered whose blood it was? Hey, guys, editing
Steve here and I just wanted to give the update
that Megan just alluded to, But there is no update.
(22:40):
I can find nothing on the majority of this stuff.
I don't know if it was just because of the
timeframe or I don't know. A lot of this stuff
is super hard to find. If you know anything about
it or you can find anything. Email me. I would
love to know, but anyways, back to you, Megan m.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The list of suspected victims would continue to grow over time,
but Schaeffer faced charges in only two murders. He was
indicted on May eighteenth, nineteen seventy three, for the slayings
of Jessup and place held without bond pending trial. He
was convicted on two counts of first degree murder in
(23:21):
October nineteen seventy three, drawing concurrent terms of life imprisonment.
Before his death, Gerard Schaeffer was suspected of killing dozens
of young women across South Florida and elsewhere. Family members
of many of his victims felt their last chance to
find out what happened to their loved ones died with him.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But one CoP's passion to solve the case did not
vanish when Schaeffer, forty nine, died in nineteen ninety five
in Florida State Prison, where he was serving two life
sentences for murder. A Fort Lauderdale homicide detective John Curcio
has been gathering information and sending it to the FBI's
five year old Missing Person's DNA database. As a means
(24:06):
to identify remains found around South Florida. Now, just to
let you know, this is from an article I saw
from two thousand and five. Oh okay, okay, so this
is quite a few years ago. I don't know if
this detective is still around doing this, but just so
you know, this is written in five that detective Cursio
(24:29):
started working with the family of Debra Sue Low, another
of Shaeffer's suspective victims. The thirteen year old was last
seen at about eight thirty am on a drizzly Tuesday
as she walked to Rickard's Middle School in Fort Lauderdale
on February twenty ninth, nineteen seventy two, wearing black slacks
with roses, a yellow blouse, and a tan poncho the
(24:50):
very seventies.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The three of Debbie's siblings, Eva, James, and Cheryl submitted
DNA samples to the Florida Department of Law Enforcements Missing
Person's DNA database in the hopes that Debbie's remains would
be matched. The Low families DNA was also entered into
the FBI's national database. A Cursio believed Schaeffer, a former
(25:13):
Wilton Manors police officer and Martin County Sheriff's deputy abducted, tortured, murdered,
and assaulted dozens of women across South Florida and other
states in the late sixties and early seventies. Like Debbie,
many of the missing have never been located. Quote. We
believe Shaffer is responsible for the murders of a lot
(25:36):
of women, said Curcio, the veteran homicide detective. Quote. We
just have to find the families of his victims and
get their DNA entered and compare it to all the
unidentified remains sitting in medical examiner's offices.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He was on a mission trying to close the cases
of two young Fort Lauderdale women, Carmen Halleck twenty two
and Belinda Hutchins, who disappeared between nineteen sixty eight and
nineteen seventy two. Cursio believed Shaeffer is responsible for the
murder of a third Fort Lauderdale woman, Lee Bonnadine's Pinline
(26:14):
twenty five, who vanished in nineteen sixty eight. All had
ties to Schaeffer. When police executed the search Warran in
nineteen seventy three, they found jewelry, teeth, and other possessions
belonging to each of the women. Police also found short
stories in the home that Schaeffer wrote about abduction, assault,
(26:37):
and strangulation of young women, including a woman named Carmen.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
He names these stories after the women. That's what is
crazy in how they didn't use this against him. He
has short stories that go into great detail about what
he did with these girls' names on them, but they
did nothing with them.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Literally, it is very upsetting, is so upset.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's almost this is almost as good as a handwritten confession.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Agreed. It's ridiculous, even the loudest that you yell, Oh,
it's fiction. It's no, it is not.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Clearly it is no. It is by name.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
M M.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's crazy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
The Carmen in his story were a black chiffon dress.
The stories were typed, double spaced on white paper. Schaeffer
also admitted to writing the stories, but said they were fiction. However,
in a strange twist, Hallick's sister told police her sister
bought a new black dress for a date with a
(27:42):
married teacher. We may never know how many slain women
litter the path of this vicious killer, as recently, as
June twenty twenty two, new evidence surfaced which might link
Schaeffer to a forty eight year old cold case. In
June nineteen seventy four, the skeletal remains of Singer Island
(28:06):
Jane Doe were discovered near the waters of Palm Beach County, Florida.
The local sheriff's office failed to make a connection between
the missing girl and the local killer cop. The erosion
of evidence and lack of ID stopped the investigation before
it began. Now, thanks to DNA analysis technology, those remains
(28:29):
were identified as Susan Gail Pool.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A Pool's purse was left on a friend's couch before
she went missing in December nineteen seventy two. Schaefer was
out on bail at this time for his abduction of
Pamela Wells and Annty Trotter Heer. The Washington Post current
detective William Springer says, quote Schaeffer is the best suspect.
Springer noted that Schaefer's mo was to pick up young
(28:55):
girl's hitchhiking and the body's location quote tied up in
the main groves, fits his known crimes. If Pool had
her purse, the day she went missing, perhaps it would
have found its way into Shaffer's collection. But what did
Shaeffer do to his victims once he had them in
his grips.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Schaeffer would lure his victims by either claiming he was
from out of town and looking for help or wanting
to hang out, offering rides to girls hitchhiking. Sometimes he
would pick up his victims while on duty, telling them
whatever they were doing was illegal. Either way, he would
(29:38):
get them into his vehicle and offer to drive them
to their destination. Once in his car, Schaeffer would drive
them to an out of the way swampy area and
force them out of the car at gunpoint. That's when
things got terrifying, if we go off of what we know.
He would have the girls stand on mangrove roots before
(30:03):
tying pre made nooses around their necks, assuring them that
at any moment they would result in slipping, falling, and
of course hanging, garnering himself the nickname the Hangman. But
it goes farther than that. From this point, with the
girls tied up and held at gunpoint, the games would begin.
(30:27):
He would scare them by telling them they were being
sold into foreign sex trade. He would also have the
girls choose which would be the first to die, getting
off on the fear in their voices. He then went
into the mutilation. He would make one girl watch as
he gouged out eyes and cut deep gashes into their friends,
(30:50):
while telling the other they were next. The next part
is a bit foggy. Some believe it is at this
point he would assault them, but it is believed by
many that after his victims took their last breath, that's
when he would begin to act on his necrophiliac urges,
(31:11):
just like he did with the mutilated decapitated cattle from
his youth.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
This is where the story of Gerard John Schaeffer's Nightmarish
Rain ends, But it's not the end of the story completely. Now,
let's talk about a man named Vincent Rivera. On February tenth,
nineteen ninety, Vincent Faustino Rivera met forty three year old
Grace Anthony at a bar. He talked his way into
her home, and eventually he murdered her. She was found
(31:41):
strangled to death on her bedroom floor by her children
a few days later. Now, although the police initially said
that she had been beaten to death, They later said
it looked like she died of natural causes. I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'm sorry, what I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What I feel like, that's not one that you would
confuse with dying of natural causes.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, No, like if you beat.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Somebody to death, they don't look like they just had.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A stroke, beaten and strangled.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Very strange. It's a very strange.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
He'll tell things there to say that that is definitely
not It's weird.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Kevin Lamar Davis was an African American hairstylist in Tampa, Florida.
He was driving down the street with some friends when
he made a terrible mistake. He unknowingly offered a ride
to his soon to be killer as he walked down
the street. Now a week later, Rivera and some of
his friends visited Davis. Now, the friends left, and Rivera
stabbed Davis to death in his home at eighty three
(32:36):
point fifteen Iberia Place that Rivera fled to Miami, ditched
the car and flew to Los Angeles. Police caught up
with Rivera less than a week later in California. He
was using Davis's stolen credit cards and pawned some of
Davis's jewelry. He was offering to pay guests hotel expenses
if they gave him cash in return, which doesn't make
(32:57):
any sense to me. I don't understand that. Oh I
do get it, he was saying, with credit cards. He
has to get it now. Once under arrest, Rivera confessed
to murdering Davis and Anthony. He was found to have
had IDs from multiple people, and police in California sent
Rivera back to Florida, where he faced murder charges. Even
(33:20):
though his crime seemed well planned. Two psychiatrists said Rivera
was incompetent, and the claim was that he hallucinated and
was incoherent. His lawyer said, quote he was an awful
sick puppy, and one psychiatrist, doctor Melvin Gardner, said Rivera
had the highest potential for homicide he had ever seen.
(33:41):
He recommended Rivera be quote under heavy sedation and be
maintained in this way at the state hospital. And Gardner
had previously interviewed other murderers, including serial killer Bobby Joe Long,
who terrorized Tampa in the nineteen eighties. The prosecutor said
it could take months for Rivera to stabilize quote, Hopefully
we'll get him back in three months so I can
(34:03):
put him in the electric chair where he belongs. Ronald
and Ficaroda said, lock him up. That's a name, Lock
him up, Foedau. We come across some very strange, not strange,
just unique, like ones I've never heard before. I mean,
it's very Italian name. And Rivera had told the police
(34:23):
he fled to New York for Florida because Florida had
the death penalty and he wanted to die. But before trial,
Rivera changed his mind and in a deal, pled guilty
to avoid the death penalty in state prison. After the trial,
Rivera was said to be problematic bet he filed appeals
about the trial, sentencing and human rights complaints. He filed
(34:45):
so many appeals that the United States Supreme Court got
so frustrated they forbade non criminal writs because they were
too frivolous, and Rivera then filed a complaint in response.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
He was just a complain in yoh wow, and they
were like, you know. He went on to have forty
seven disciplinary write ups in five years, including assaults on
other prisoners. On December third, nineteen ninety five, Rivera would
take it upon himself to kill serial killer Gerard Schaeffer.
(35:21):
It is unclear why it happened, but it is said
to have been over hot water or Rivera might have
been a hired assassin. He was sentenced to an additional
fifty three years and ten months. Rivera was given more
time for serial killer Gerard Schaeffer's murder than for the
(35:43):
innocent victims he killed. Today, Rivera has the distinction of
killing another serial killer. Rivera, however, is pretty well unknown.
He has only mentioned on Schaeffer's wiki page. And that's it.
That's the story of Gerard John Schaeffer, or is it?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Because we have one more episode, okay, and it's going
to be about the stain that he left on a
specific area in Florida, because what we didn't really talk about.
I mean, we've talked about it in other parts of
this but uh, there is a place that is said
to be haunted because of him, and it's called the
(36:27):
del Tree down in Florida. And this is actually where
he would tie the nooses to the girls and tie
them around trees and specifically do those terrible things to
these girls. Was in was in this little spot and
the tree has a name.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So here comes the paranormal tie in.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, which is how we ended up on this story
in the first place. I'm hoping I don't have to
read anymore like gross stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I don't want to. I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We haven't done a paranormal episode in a while, so
I'm kind of excited. Yeah, me too, And I have
I have some ideas for some upcoming stuff too, so
it's going to be different. Like I'm I'm tired of
just talking about one thing. We're bigger than that, so
we are gonna We're going to get into some other
weird stuff. I think.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Oh yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
My beautiful wife just bought me a drone for Valentine's Day,
so if we can get because I don't know if
you some of you are my friends on Facebook that listen,
and I like taking photos and stuff, So if we
can get a local location, I'm going to get my
drone out there so I can get my own footage. Yeah,
I'm excited about that. So this is where the story
(37:44):
of Georgejohn Shaffer's life ends. But unfortunately, we think he
might have left us something that we're going to have
to get into next week. So aren't you excited?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I am?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Now, Well, where can they find.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Us well, they can find us on Instagram at for
the Booze Underscore podcast and on Facebook Gap for the Booth.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's right, you could find us everywhere else At for
the Booze. I'm not doing this anymore because I got
a super wrong last week. I know we're we're We're
on TikTok. I haven't posted anything on there, though. We're
on TikTok. We're on Twitter, We're on YouTube, we are
like everywhere. Just look if you look up Google for
the Booze podcast, we do come up on everything, yes,
which is nice that we do feel very accomplished and
(38:28):
don't forget if you have a listener story or you know,
suggest a show suggestion, or you know, even just maybe
you have an idea for something we could change. It
doesn't matter. If you just want to reach out to us.
Check us out at for the Booths twelve at gmail
dot com. Not for the Boost dot com I know,
or yeah com Gmail for the Booze. It's for the
Booths twelve the Gmail dot And you would think, after
(38:49):
three years, I know, this would be easier.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That break messed us up.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It did as much needed I still needed it. It
was needed and obviously big shout out to our patreons,
you Patreon beautiful people. I have a I have a
question for one of our patreons. Okay, I know that
all of them except for maybe two, live in the
United States. Now, Tina, who got us these lights a
(39:18):
while back. I'm very curious because I know you live
in a European country. I won't say where. Do you
listen in English? Or is it translated?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
But see now, I think she probably does listen in
English because Europeans are usually I'm sorry, but they're usually
smarter than American.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
So they speak bilingual multi lingual, yes, which.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
We have here. But it's just less likely. So I'm curious.
Let me know, do you listen to us in English?
Like did you get to hear how bad we read?
Or or do you listen or is it translated? I
was just something, I was just something I was curious about.
So thank you to our patreons, who, honestly, I don't
know if I would have come back to the microphone
had it not been for them.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
We love you, guys, and if you, guys, anybody else
listening wants to join our Patreon, we do an extra
episode called Behind the Booze over there on Patreon, so
come check it out if you want too.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
We read terrible ghost stories from the internet. We do,
and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But it's fun.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'm actually thinking about doing something a little different on
there too. I know if you'd like to join the
Patreon it's forward slash for the Booze Underscore podcast over
on Patreon, and uh yeah, it's a big help. We
love it, and I do have ideas for the future
that I want to do extra for patreons because they
don't have to do what they do that's right. But uh,
(40:35):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I do it right. Other than I still can't remember
our social media's.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
We do it right because it's how we want to
do it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I guess go ahead and take us out.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Well, thank you everybody so much for listening, and we
will see in the next one.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Bye. I guess don't used toilet paper?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
What you don't want to have hoopsp it on your butt.
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