April 7, 2025 • 52 mins
Welcome Back B-oo's Crew! After a nice week off visiting with family, we sit down to talk about the big news concerning Aaron Goodwin of Ghost Adventures fame. While we were gone, it seems his wife found it needed to hire a high profile murderer to kill her husband.
Why would she do this, what makes her think she would have gotten away with it, how did the authorities find out and so many other questions we all have. Only one way to find out! Join us as we dive into this paranormal/true crime story and let's see if we can figure this one out together!
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Why would she do this, what makes her think she would have gotten away with it, how did the authorities find out and so many other questions we all have. Only one way to find out! Join us as we dive into this paranormal/true crime story and let's see if we can figure this one out together!
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
What's up, everybody. We're back.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are now.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We've had a very interesting couple of weeks. We have
had family coming to town. Your sister that you got
to see for the first time.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know, I know. It was a surprise. It was
(00:54):
such a surprise. It was I had no.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Idea, and the kids kept the secret really great.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We also had a medical emergency with our son, which
is kind of where we fell silent is. We didn't
really know what was going to be happening with that.
But now, as you can tell from this right here,
we are going to do something a little different than
we normally do. Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe not.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, we do react to things.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's been a while, it has been, for sure, and
were since we have kind of disappeared, took a little break.
The Aaron Goodwin story came out, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Do as a favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
There we'll be watching you. Okay, We've got three cameras there.
We're going to be there, watching you.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And that's what we're going to talk about today. This
page here, law and order. I believe it's what it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm pretty sure law and order.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Let me make sure. I want to law and crime.
Law and crime. Uh, they did a video. They usually
cover stuff really well, So we're going to watch their
video and kind of give you our thoughts on it.
So let's dive into this thing. I feel like there
are I'm just I'm gonna throw it out there just
to be transparent. We have seen what happened and there
(02:06):
are interesting ties to our home state of Florida in this.
So that's kind of a reason I wanted to talk
about it. But let's let's pop into this thing.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's I was definitely afraid of haunted houses, but at
least it's not real. Goat well, there are real ghosts.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
In what seemed like a fairy tale romance for Ghost
Adventures star Aaron Goodwin has turned into a shilling nightmare.
His wife Victoria is now accused of plotting his murder
with a convicted killer from a Florida prison, somebody you
may recognize behind their picture perfect social media post lies
(02:43):
an alleged twisting.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Now, before we get too far into this, like, I
know who this person is that they're referencing, and so
do you, and it is insane to me that this
dude is somehow making a comeback in the world of
news in general, because I thought the would just be
locked up and gone forever. Oh yeah, And for anybody
who doesn't know, I don't know how you would know
if you listen to us, but Aaron Goodwin, obviously as
(03:08):
a very well known member of the group Ghost Adventures
with Zach Began's Megan's froto.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Are you laughing at awesome?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Which kind of kicks started this podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh yeah, you know, like, if you listen to the show,
you will know episode one was Ghost Adventures, and I
like episode I don't even remember fifty. Yeah, I don't
know what's the end of the first year. I think
we redid it. But this is a This is Aaron
Goodwin of Ghost Adventures, and I would love to hear
Zach's thoughts on all this, only because I think this
(03:43):
made him more famous than Zach Now I do. And
we all know that Zach Begans loves the spotlight.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He loves himself.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Without a doubt, without affliction, gotty, gotty.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Scheme that has left the paranormal community in shock.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law on Crime. I'm Jesse Webber.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Okay, this is just a bizarre one to say the least,
What began with a seemingly fairy tale beginning has turned
into a real life nightmare for Ghost Adventure star Aaron Goodwin,
because his wife, Victoria, now stands accused of plotting his
murder in such a chilling scheme that, honestly, it kind
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of reads like a script from one of his own
paranormal investigations. The wife of the Ghost Adventures host has
been arrested and accused of conspiring to murder her husband
in a scheme involving an inmate in a Florida prison.
I mean, this is shocking because you have this alleged
dark and twisted plot, and that couldn't contrast more with
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the couple's seemingly happy public.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Persona, particularly online. Now here's what we know.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
The story takes us back to October of last year,
when authority say Victoria Goodwin initiated contact with an inmate
in a Florida prison and TMZ says that they have
identified this inmate as Grant a motto.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Who is a grant A motto? Grant a motto. If
you don't know who this guy is, you have to
look him up.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He fell in love with a webcam girl from like
Russia or somewhere therea else, and like gave all his
money to her, thinking that he had this relationship with her.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Not all just his money, but then started taking his
dad's money and his mom's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
He just stole money from everybody in his family and
his mom, his dad, and then they found out and
he murdered the entire family, all of them. Look at
this guy. Look at this man's picture. Okay, look at
his picture. This I can When this broke, I was like,
(06:02):
you've got to be getting me. She reached out to
Grant a motto, the world's biggest Internet club of all time.
This dude has got to be the softest butteriest little
boy ever ever. He is the He is just the
epitome of internet boys. He has to be. Who thinks
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that a girl a smoking howt girl? At that? From
across He is the simp of all simps. He is
Grant mister Simpson a motto.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I also, I don't know if they're going to go
into this in the video, but like, why him, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
He's locked up in jail, Like, look at him, does
do you think he has people?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think she thought maybe he did have some kind
of connections because of who he is, because I.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Mean, okay, his name is big, but because he's a psycho,
that doesn't mean anything else.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He's kind of a psycho. Like I, I would not
be scared of him.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I mean no, but he murdered his hole.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You could take this guy does.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Look at him, but he killed his whole family.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Like what no, I mean weapons really level of the
playing field, That's all I gotta say, Like, look at
this man. Come on, but it is very strange to me.
Out of everybody, she could have reached out too. She
reached out to grant a motto, Internet's most notorious pleby simp.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Screw you, grant it convicted killer himself.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, when I read the story and I heard grand motto,
my ears perked up. Why I've been at Long Crime
since twenty seventeen. If you have been following Long Crime
for a while, you might remember this guy because, as
a matter of fact, we covered his trial. He is
everybody Life sentenced, Everybody's shocking triple murder.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A former nurse.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
He was convicted in twenty nineteen for the brutal killings
of his father, his mother, and his brother in their
Florida home.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
We the jury find the definite guilty a first degree
pre meditated murder. Further finding, we further find beyond a
reasonable doubt that during the commission of the offense, the
definite personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted
to use a firearm or a weapon. Further finding, we
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further find that during the commission of the crime, the
definant actually possessed a firearm. Further fighting two, we further
find that during the commission of the crime, the definite
discharged a firearm. Further fighting three, we further find that
during the commission.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
We just have to all get over the fact that
she keeps saying defendant and not defendant. Hey whatever, she
got the job done. Who cares? Or they got the
job done. Say whatever you want about them. I have
a lot of things I could say, but I mean,
maybe we don't keep it family friendly. But I try
to censor myself a little bit because if I just
let loose, I don't know if anybody would listen to
this anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Is a lot something, but so am I okay?
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Than the crime the definite discharge a firearm and cause
the death of Margaret a motto. Verdict Count two, Chat
to Moatto, We the jury find the definite guilty of
first degree premeditated murder. Further finding, We further find beyond
a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the offense,
the definite personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or
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attempted to use a firearm or a weapon. Further findings One,
We further find that during the commission of the crime,
the definant actually possessed a firearm. Further fining Two, we
further find that during the commission of the crime, the
definite discharge a firearm.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It hurts me, seems.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Three. We further find that during the commission of the crime,
the definite discharge a firearm and cause the death of
Chat Tomato. Verdict, Count three, codya motto, We the jury
find the definite guilty of first degree premeditated murder. Further finding,
We further all.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right, so we get it, grant a motto. Bad dude, Yeah,
sort of, kind of. He's stupid. I don't even I
don't even understand how he got dragged into this. He's
just the dumbest person ever that could have been dragged
into this thing. Everybody who follows any kind of true
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crime knows about Grant a Motto. It was a huge,
huge story. Again, just very wild that you know, Aaron
Goodwin's marriage if you look on social media and stuff,
they even people who knew them, they really seem to
exude like this perfect marriage. Yeah, this perfect.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They got along all the time. Yeah, like they just
lived life and were happy. And I don't this is
so crazy, so crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Absolutely so it's super strange that this even happened. It
just it doesn't really make any sense. And I don't
know if she has since actually said why she did this,
right she It just came out of nowhere. And I
feel bad, very a good one because he honestly seems
like a really sweet guy.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. So I don't always been my favorite.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I just don't. I mean, I mean, I really preferred
that fan Aaron, and I don't mean that derogative, you know,
in a derogative way.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like we love Aaron like in the era of them.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, it was the original, which I still think he's
probably a lovely man. But this just really seems like
one of those things that just really came out of
left field. It seems very strange.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, allegedly discussed plans with a motto to have Aaron
killed while he was on location filming his popular Discovery
Plus show. And by the way, just as an aside,
here in case you're not familiar, Ghost Adventures follows paranormal
investigator Zach Baggins and his team, which includes Aaron or
haunted locations.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Pretty crazy story, right, Look, but we wanted to bring
this one to you.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
We definitely wanted to shed a light on this and
dedicated an episode to that. And let me just quickly
call out and thank our spot sir for helping make
this episode happen.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
And that is Germas in.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, we're gonna skip the ad here. Is that a
hair product? Because this man's hair couldn't possibly get any bigger.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, I'm a little jealous. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh already then.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't know if anybody knows, but I'm pretty bald
under here.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
What makes this all really really strange is that the couple,
as I mentioned, seem to be living this fairytale life.
Social media posts from both Aaron and Victoria page She's
a very happy picture of the two They even tied
the knot in a whimsical ceremony at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion
in August of twenty twenty two. But apparently behind the scenes,
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their marriage might have been in some trouble. And as
I mentioned earlier, this alleged plot supposedly involved this inmate
grand to Motto, and according to police, Victoria told investigators
that you first learned about a Motto through the documentary
that I mentioned before, again corresponding with him as pen
pals while he was incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And despite his alleged role in this scheme.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Though Rando Motto has not yet been charged by Nevada
prosecutors in connection with this alleged attempted contract.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Now I do have to say some of this may
have changed by now. He may have been charged, she
may have come out. Since I haven't seen anything else
on this yet since this video we watched, I think,
like I don't know, a couple of days after it
came out. So I just want to throw that out
there that I know that we're kind of coming in
late to this, but we just wanted to talk about
it on our channel because I mean, honestly, it it
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interacts directly with our show only because yeah, we got
off the ground with the show talking about them.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The paranormal, and now we're getting into crime.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So it's literally well and ghost adventures of all things. Yeah,
you know, very so things could have changed. I know
that maybe we'll do another video here soon in the future.
Apparently he has come out and spoken about it. Maybe
we'll do that next week. Maybe we'll discontinue this.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah, because I excuse me, I want to know more
about this.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well I do too.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I have not looked into it. I knew we wanted to.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Cover this, so I kind of have stayed away and
I am very at Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, but I but I do just want to throw
that out there that I understand. We're coming in a
little late on this, so other things may have developed,
and we will probably revisit this next week where we
I would like to look more into this and see
what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and now that we've started, we can kind of
dig in.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, So Patreon, get ready because we are going to
probably keep talking about this because it's very interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yes, right, killing Now, before we go any further into this,
I want to bring back onto the show Detective Eric
Barnes who always helps us out when it comes to
these very strange investigations. Detective, thanks so much for coming on.
I appreciate you taking the time, just your overall thoughts
on this. I mean, what part do you want to
hit first? Do you want to hit the fact that
you know they got this television star whose wife is
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now accused of trying to plot his murder, or the
fact they have somebody on the outside who allegedly has
been contacting an inmate to carry out a murder for
higher plot. We're going to get through all the details,
but this is unique.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, there is, Jessee. It's a lot to unpack here.
Anytime you hear about someone plotting to queue someone they're
married to, you know that in itself is just full
of of questions. But then when you start adding in
the fact that you have a reality TV stars contacting inmates,
I mean, this is just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
How common are murder for higher plots?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Murder for higher is one of those things that doesn't
is not a common occurrence, Like, you don't, you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
He says that, But how many things have we seen
that were murdered for higher?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Quite a few, quite a lot, like a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So it's very strange that he says that it's it's
not very common, because I feel like we've seen it
quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, so I don't know, we just watched that much.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
True, we definitely do.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Wait absolutely come across those too often. A detective may
investigate maybe one their whole career.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
You know, this is a big question that I don't
ask enough. If this is true, taking these allegations is true,
why would somebody resort to this as opposed to a
divorce if she was truly unhappy? I mean, we could
talk about that generally. How many times spouses are accused
or end up killing don't kill it just killing, or
or convicted of killing their significating directly to why go
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that route as opposed to a divorce?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Well, you know, when I was reading an article, you know,
I'm not investigating the case, so I haven't had time
to kind of dig into the evidence. And once more
it is released, I think will definitely be able to tell.
But you know, one of the first indicators in situations
like this, when Mary seems to be going down, and
the fact that he's a television star. You know, sometimes
people are worth more dead than they are alive, and
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so I always tend to think that financial matters are
huge motivator in these situations.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Now I'm going to get a little bit more into
the grand Motto connection to this. But why do you
think he hasn't been charged yet, criminally charged in connection
with this plot?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Prosecutors are very Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I'm gonna say it's probably because they haven't figured out
how to charge him. He's going to catch a.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Charge for this.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean, he's part of a murder for higher plot.
He's going to catch a charge.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yes, and he is incarcerated, he's already locked up. But
I think my question would be like, did he entertain her?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
He did after she reached out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yes he did. Oh, he's part That's that's why they're
saying he's part of a murder for higher plot. He
was in.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, so he's think, I mean, what do you got? Boys?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Like? What?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I don't understand?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
All Right, We're watching a television series right now, which
I highly recommend to everybody, Happy Face. It's amazing. It's
a out Melissa Moore's story and her dad, Keith jessperson.
But whatever, the point I'm trying to make is these
people going to jail, prison, whatever, and they kind of,
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you know, accrue this following of people who will do
things for them. And I bring this up because in
the show are watching, Keith Jasperson just always seems to
find a way to reach out to people. So I'm
sure Grant a Motto has his little clique. I mean,
even the world's biggest pile of crap Chris Watts has
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some girls exactly well, because it baffles It baffles me
that there are girls out there who want him after
what he did to his wife and children.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hate that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It blows my mind. But I'm just saying, even Grant
a Motto, even though he is like the world's smallest man,
will have people willing to help him because his status now.
And I think they're trying to figure out how to
charge him to the fullest. So they haven't done anything yet.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He's not going anywhere, So absolutely.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's no doubt that very careful on cases like this,
you also you have to take into account that his
past history as an inmate and his credibility may be
something that they don't want to rush to judgment with
just using his statements. Also, he may be cooperating it
just depends on what strategy the prosecutors are using, and
I think that is going to heavily rely upon the
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type of evidence that they've already secured on the cast.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Basically, that's interesting because let's talk about what the evidence is.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
How'd they find this out?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
While while a Moto is not yet facing charges, police
say it was through him that they were able to
actually uncover this electric skin because, according to the complaint
that TMZ reviewed, Florida prison officials discovered and seized a
contraband phone that he was apparently using, and what they
reportedly discovered on there was chilling.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It was text messages, So he somehow got a phone
in jail and was corresponding with missus Goodwin through text messaging.
It's just all it's just so weird, man. What Like,
I'm not even surprised by the whole murder for higher thing.
It's just with grant a motto. She probably was like
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I can get him to do whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I mean, she is really pretty, so yeah, probably.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Some suggestive pictures is all it takes.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Honestly, like she could have done that with anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yes, but look at this man again right here and
tell me that this isn't an easy mark the man
who murdered his family for some Eastern European girl. It
is so makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
To your point, fair point makes sense.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Messages exchange between Victoria and the inmate, if verified as evidence,
they are quite damning because, according to the Daily Mail,
in one message, Victoria allegedly appears to have written, am
I a bad person because I chose to end his
existence not divorce?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Now, how exactly was Victoria supposedly working with this inmate? So?
In October again, this is according to the Daily Mail,
Aaron was in California filming Ghost Adventures with his longtime
co star paranormal investigator Zach Baggins, and police there's other
people in Victoria provided this inmate with his filming schedule
and his hotel location so that this would be carried
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out while he was out of state. The couple actually
reside in Nevada, and the criminal complaint revealed more of
these texts, as reported by The Daily Mail, where the inmate,
Granda Motto, allegedly messaged the purported hitman saying he's asleep
right now in the hotel room. I need to know
what's going on? Can I get an update was it done?
So this suggests that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So therefore he liked they were working.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
To get someone already, because he's like, is it done? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh yeah, what yeah? So he reached out, I believe,
and found somebody and like they had this whole thing
set up. It's just it's just it's mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's mind Sam, just leave him.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Do you think Zach would immediately try to investigate the
spirit of Aaron within like thirty seconds?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
That there might be more to this because we don't
really know how far Victoria allegedly took this plot. If
she did plot this, what happened to the hit man?
We know Aaron was never actually confronted by any sort
of hitm and so what happened to that person? How
did a Motto get in contact with that person or
police still searching for him as of right now, It's
all uncertain. That's what makes us also quite bizarre. But
what we do know is that authorities claim Victoria agreed
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to pay the hit man a total of eleven thousand,
five hundred and fifteen dollars very specific amount there with
enough front payment of twenty five hundred dollars, and after
months of investigating I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Feel like that's enough money to kill somebody.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Eleven thousand, five hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, man, I think it was five hundred and fifty,
but still what why not twelve or eleven?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But it's not enough.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's twenty twenty five out here? Is not enough that
What is that going to get you? Half of a car.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Nice and shiny?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So seventy eight yeah, looking good, looks really good.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
A new apartment that yeah, down payment and deposits.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's what I'm saying. What like, that's not enough money
to take somebody in life?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Oh my god, that's a very specific number two. It
baffles me. What how did you get there?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's very stupid enough.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
You threw out fifty for gas, Like, I don't I
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You might be onto something. I mean, it is Florida people.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Fifty for gas? Were you on top of everything?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah? I got fitty on it.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Police arrested her on March sixth and Clark County, Nevada,
on charges of solicitation to commit murder and conspiracy murder.
She was held on a one hundred thousand dollars bail.
Made her first court appearance yesterday for an arrayment. She
was not these allegations. Her defense is that this was
all just a fantasy, that she was never intending to
do anything to Aaron, and regard in the text messages,
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as reported by TMZ, she claimed that she was just
quote day dreaming or fantasizing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That when you send the messages and have somebody lined up,
that is more than a date. That's more than a daydream.
One hundred literally set up somebody's murder.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You're literally doing it. That is dreaming.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, no, you were not.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's a fantasy.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you remember when my hair was as long as hers?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, just super long hair.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Sit back there and say my hair right, luxurious when
you know it is, bitch.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Those are the things that and as for the money
that she allegedly sent to the limit, she claims that
was just for the inmate to have a cell phone,
not for a murder for hire, and this is key.
She apparently did admit to authorities that her marriage with
Aaron was in some kind of trouble, or at the
very least admitted to police that she told a motto
that her marriage was in trouble.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But there are two things that make us difficult to understand.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
For one, as I mentioned Earl, you really wouldn't see
the signs of distress by the looks of the couple's
online persona. And second, Aaron apparently didn't think anything was
wrong in their marriage. Sources close to Aaron, who by
the way, has over six hundred and sixty thousand Instagram
followers and is a beloved figure in the paranormal community,
who portly told TMZ that he was quote blindsided and
devastated at this turn of events, and the sources also
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told TMZ that he believed he was in a happy
marriage and had no idea about his wife's alleged scheming.
Back to Detective Barnes, Detective how to investigators determine whether
text text message is like the ones I read?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
For example, am I a bad person because I chose
to end his existence not divorced? How do they know
that's a genuine threat or a genuine step towards trying
to carry out this plot?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You know?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I think the first step Jesse is just determining the
validity of those texts was was Aaron actually out of
town at the location she was providing? I think determining
his schedule. See if he was actually where he where
the text said he was. I think that is going
to tell you right there. And you know, good luck
to having somebody believe that this was just some fantasy.
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When you start discussing large sums of money and cash
being exchanged and you're on a legal cell phone inside
of prison with someone that's already associated with committing a murder,
it's just very hard for an average person to delve
into that.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, that specific amount is weird too, right, that specific amount.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yes, And I would be interested as to why that
number was that number. And you know, those things are
going to all be coroborated by the interviews that they do,
the law enforcement does with the alleged hit man, and
also the middleman that helps set this up.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
By the way, how does an inmate have a cell phone?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Sometimes? You know, in these facilities there are ways that
inmates get things that they want, you know, sometimes when
visitors may smuggle it in, and sometimes you know there's
guards that bring in contraband. And it's just a problem
that we deal with because you know, money talks, and
sometimes people's values are our question.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
H have you seen cases before not maybe not necessarily
where somebody sees a story of a convicted killer and
then decides to contact them and then orchestrate a murder
for higher plot. But have you seen cases before where
somebody who is behind bars is able to orchestrate a
crime on the outside.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Again, assuming these allegations.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All the time, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I know he's doing this for the sake of a
good story, but yeah, that's generally how it happens. And
like people smuggle all kinds of stuff in a jail, anything, anything.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Don't even understand the knives, drugs, Like everybody don't even
understand the question happens, and everybody knows what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, he's trying to lay out a good story, So
I mean I understand what he's doing. But like there's
nobody alive today that doesn't understand that things get into
the jails. So I mean, yeah, this no, in cell
phones are probably one of the most common things.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I mean, fair point, there was already money exchange, Like
there was money talked about, fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Like, yeah, so her whole like little fantasy defense is
a fantasy, is pulsh It's a fantasy?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, her story is a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's a fantasy. I love fantasies, brother, Eh, what's that?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Ications are true?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
You know, those sort of things are pretty common because
you know, if you look at the wife, she probably
doesn't associate with these type of individuals that are willing
to do murder for hires. So she doesn't know where
to go to do something like that, and that's not
the world that she lives, and so when she reaches
out to someone, she's taking a very big risk. Even
with an inmate like that's his way essentially, if he's
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able to drum up this conversation enough, that may be
something that he can get to his attorney and take
to a prosecutor and help get out of jail a
little bit sooner because he's helped unravel this murder for
hire reply. And so you just never can be trusting
of individuals in this situation. And the more people you
get involved in these type situations, the greater risk there
is someone else is going to make a mistake.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
No, that's a great point. That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I am curious though, like whether whether it's not even
a type of crime like this or whatever it is,
But is it possible. Do you see it common that
people who are locked up are able to communicate to
someone on the outside, like a purported hitman who they
can't find carry out attack X.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Y and Z do this.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I mean, I imagine he's not the only person who, again,
assuming the allegations are true, who are able to do
this and coordinate activity on the outside of prison.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know, it's more typical.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I mean, of course, being incarcerated, like you have to
be careful of who you talk to, but like other
people know people too well.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It's funny because you know, back to this, like do
a lot of cellphones, things could smuggle into jails. There
was actually like if you go online, there's like a
whole segment of like TikTok and stuff where it's prisoners
people doing making tiktoks in prison. Yeah, I mean there's
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there's been famous accounts of guys who have remained anonymous
on there. So it happens constantly. So I don't know,
it's just an all the time thing. It's nothing new.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
When drug and narcotic investigations not typically murder for higher investigations,
I mean, you are basically you're planning a murder over
text messages. You know, it's just very unheard of because
people are trying to keep those keep those playing a secret,
and for you to send it in text into a
phone that's inside a facility.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Now, by the way, I mentioned, we still don't know
who this purported hit man is or if there even
really is one. So I'm gonna ask it to you
two different ways. If there is one, what are police
likely doing to try to track down this person? And
if there isn't one, do you think that would help
Victoria's defense that maybe this wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, that's a touchy such a situation.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I think that regardless of whether there was a hit
man or not, her plan is still there. It sounds
like her plan was there and she was making plans
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That it really depends on where she is and all this.
So like, if there's not a hit man, that might
be irrelevant if she thinks that there is, right, So
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like the fact that like maybe Grant took the money
and pretended there was a hit man, But the fact
is that she is still trying to hire a hit man.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
She's still actively involved in trying to have.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So in her brain. It's still a real still going,
it's still a real hit. Yeah. So I would hope
that in our legal system they would look at it
like that, to where she is trying to set up
a hit on Aaron. So I think it's only right
that they would say, you know, she's guilty of at
least absolutely.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You mentioned earlier about the twenty five hundred dollars deposit.
That would be interested as to see how that money
changed place. With the middleman being locked up in prison,
she couldn't physically drop off the cash to him, So
I would love to know what their bank transactions that
maybe they could tie to a third individual.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Why would Grant a Motto be interested in being involved
in this any idea? If he's not getting money, she
was probably like a connection to this any stranger.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Maybe they were there having some sort of communication and
he felt for her in some way. I don't know,
But you tell me what you might be investiga. If
you were a part of this investigation and you're trying
to see what his connection is, why he would get
involved in this, what can tell us.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I don't know what his connection could be at this point.
Other than there's some financial gain that would come out
of it. But if you're already locked up, I mean,
what is it going to provide for you? Some extra commissary,
a few bags that, you know, extra phone calls. I
don't know what he could get out of this communication
that would be enough for him to take this kind
of risk. Sometimes people are lured into the fact that,
you know, he's actually having a conversation with the female
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on the outside, and she's a very high profile female
because of her association with her husband, so that could
be interesting as well on his behalf. But I just
it just doesn't make sense on why he would get
involved in this if he's not gonna have some great benefit.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So I want to dive a little bit more into
what makes this case really strange other than everything I mentioned,
and it's the fact that this whole and I keep
using this word, but the whole seemingly fairy tale love
story that these two had going on, and then now
what she's accused of doing, Because at least you have
to wonder maybe is that what Victoria allegedly wanted people
to think about their lives. So before we get into
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the social media posts, I just got to get a
little bit more background about these two.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So you have Aaron Goodwin.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
He's this longtime investigator cameraman for the hit paranormal series
Ghost Adventures. According to his bio on the Travel Channel,
it says, referred to by many as a teddy bear
or Zach's bit of choice, Aaron actually hates to be.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Left alone in attics or just about anywhere.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You can also expect to hear him say dude about
twenty times per episode.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Always armed with a camera.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Aaron travels around the world with the team to record
with the experience in each haunted location.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's fair like Aaron is the most likable character on this.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
He really is, and he always has been always.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I okay, I have a theory.
I do have a theory I'm trying to figure out
about this. I think that Victoria reached out to grant
a motto in a possible romantic way because that fits his.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Mo Yeah, that fits why he did.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
His She's attractive, she's around his age. You know, she's
got money, and I think she figured since he obviously
was cold hearted enough to take out his family, that
he might be able to find a way to help her,
and I think she used her powers of woman over
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him and probably you know, you know what I mean.
He's a club Yeah, I know, he's a he's a
soy boy. You know, he doesn't look like he's ever
at a steak. I'm sure he's eating a few steaks
in jail, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Because next time I come for you, I'm gonna want
some cocktail.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
True take it.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But he I think he would be very easy to
sway with an attractive woman with him absolutely, So I
really do think.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
She's took advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it's going to come out that at some
point she had a relationship with him and she's using
that we I mean, she never actually has to touch him.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So weird.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Now, Victoria, who apparently describes herself on Instagram as an
athlete and Rare Illness plus c PTSD warrior, has been
open about her struggles with accalasia. This is a rare
condition that affects swallowing with chronic illness. She did an
interview a couple to Acamber on the Motivational Talks with
Ash podcast, and she spoke about her diagnosis how it
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derailed her dreams of becoming a professional golfer, and she's
also been an advocate for mental health and chronic illness awareness,
sharing her story to inspire others.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And back to your detective Bartnes.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
In cases like this where you have one person who
seems blindsided by the other's actions, how often do you
see that in your experience? Do people typically show signs
of being unaware that this comes out of nowhere?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Typically, you know, one, there is one part of this
quote unquote left in the dark. My heart goes out
to Aaron, you know, and I can't imagine being blindsided
by something like this. Not only is he losing someone
that he chose to be a partner with, but to
realize that, you know, she was actually plotting to.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Have him killed.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I can't imagine that. And I also think this is
a great occasion for law enforcement that we are actually
able to intervene before the act took place. Yeah, you know,
it's one of those things that people that are involved
in these relationships you just never know what pushes someone else,
and you never know what goes on behind closed doors.
People can portray that life is great to everyone on
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the outside. And obviously she did a great job if
her husband didn't realize there was big problems.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Yeah, they It's true because you really don't know what
people are capable of or what's going on. And let
me put this in different perspectives. So I want to
do a deep dive now into the social media post.
We analyze multiple posts both on Aaron's account and Victoria's.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Before they get into like social media I do. I
also want to point out that like everybody's life looks
better on social media.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Of course, of course, you know, so everybody portrays that
like perfectness about their lives.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Absolutely absolutely, which is why I tend not to even
post much. I like my business to be my business.
It's just who I am. I'm a private person. But
using trying to use social media as kind of like
a basis of looking to see if something could be wrong,
especially when you're somebody who's you know, at least am
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I famous. Yeah, you're never gonna post. You're never going
to post things that look bad, you know, because you
have a public image to uphold. So I just I
hate when they're like, oh, but they're social media. But
of course Aaron probably doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Give him the public eye for forever, so why.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Would they there's.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
A pretty decent chance that Aaron might not even post
on his own social media, might be somebody else because
he is famous.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He's not like an A list celebrity or anything, but
he's famous enough. So I don't know, man, I don't
like using the social media aspect at all because they're
just never going to post like, oh hate each other,
you know, I hate woman, Yeah, exactly. So I just
find it super strange that they're going to do.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
That's account and they paint this picture of a loving relationship.
From what we can see, they've been doing since at
least twenty eighteen. The oldest post that we could find
was from November of twenty eighteen. It reads, I'm so
thankful for her. She's there for me when I'm down
up and makes me laugh all day. She is so wonderful.
I love every minute with her that you even had.
As I mentioned their wedding at the Haunted Mansion in Disney,
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last photos of the couple on that special day, writing
it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times
due to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier.
Twenty twenty three, Aaron took Victoria to a haunted house
documented that adventure with her as seen here.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's a haunted house.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Was definitely afraid of haunted houses, but a list it's not.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Real goats, Well, there are real ghosts in there.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Actually no help.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
And then back in August of last year, Aaron posted
in commemoration of their anniversary, writing two years ago today,
I got married my best friend.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I'm so lucky to have you in my life.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
They've only been married two years. Two years. That's not
even like enough to really know like each other at
one hundred percent? Right?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Absolutely, we have been together for like I know, we've
not how long we've been married, but we've been together
like a amost thirteen years now. We still find out
things about each other that we didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Know that was real.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I thought I dreamed that.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Oh god, all right, oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just crazy to me that she not him obviously, he's
still very much in love. That she's passed that phase
already into the let's get him killed. Phase?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Is that a phase?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Though eventually we'll find out in a few years, you
will find.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Out if And then on Valentine's day this year, so
that's February, about what, four months after the alleged plot
and just weeks before Victoria's arrest. Victoria shared a photo
of the two of them playing mini golf, captioning it
mini golf with my Valentine, and then this lego set
she built for Aaron, captioning it finally finished my Valentine.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Gift, I love you so much.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
And she also has post commemorating their first date and anniversaries.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
We're on an expedition of fign dinosaurs and maybe get Lost.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Lost Jurassic Park tour.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
This is the east side of a Wahoo. You're about
forty minutes from north Shore.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Here, but if you cool, you got to check it out.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So many cool things to see.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Music videos filmed here.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Lost TV show Love Lost, You're gonna love this place,
plus losses filmed on other islands. So we got a
lot of work.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
To do in Jurassic Car Jurassic World.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Is it weird to you to see Aaron acting like
a normal person? No, it is to me.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
No, these always seemed more like a normal guy than
anybody else on the show.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Why can't we get rid of Zach just let it be.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Aaron would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
What if we just made him in charge of that?
Does anybody actually still like Zach? I mean there?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Let us know in the comments?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, comment below? Do you still actually? I'm not going
to shame anybody for liking ghost a Benure. I find
it entertaining, don't get me wrong, but do you still
like Zach? Like she said? Comment below? We want to know?
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Are you five?
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Oh Jamon?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Sorry, not all of us are, okay, Detective lot to
make here. How often do investigators look at these social
media posts? What are they looking at it for? And
what do you think the significance of it could be
in this kind of.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Case, Jesse?
Speaker 4 (42:19):
The significance of social media is that any person can
be whoever they want to be on social media, and
it could be the furthest person from reality. You have
the ability to create images in a portray to the
world and basically paint a picture, use future whoever you
to give people insight into what you want them to see.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And it sounds like she was doing that.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
You know, if the allegations are true, then what she
appeared to be doing was painting a picture of this
perfect relationship and staying in character, you know, to give
herself an alibi.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
That could be a very good prosecution argument. The defense's
argument would be, she didn't do this, she loves her husband.
Look at these posts, look at this?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
How can someone fake this?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
How can someone orchestrate appla to kill him and be
you know, love.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
W You'd have to be a sociopath to be able
to do this.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
And I think that's I wonder if that would be
a point of contention or a point of disagreement moving forward, Detective.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
It sounds like it would.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
I think that there's a very key point as well
in this that I think the defense would have to overcome,
and that's the fact that the plot and the plan
was for this to take place while he was out
of town. Yeah, and I think again, it gives her
further distance away from the crime. You know, when it
happens in your own backyard espouses the first person police
look at. But when you're hundreds of miles away from
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your residence, you know, it kind of gives the wife
a little room and gives her an alibi that you know,
I was here at my house, mine and my business,
in my daily routine, and I'm a victim other's crime.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It's a really really good point. Look, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
As of now, Victoria remains in custody, but Aaron Goodwin's
future remains uncertain. I will tell you, though, one thing
is clear. This paranormal investigator who spent years confronting ghosts,
he now faces a chilling reality far closer to home.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Detective Eric Barnes.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm going to tell you what. I never thought that
I would see the day or something this insane happening
to Aaron Goodwin of all people.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't understand. I don't get it, like it.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Just seems so strange.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I don't know. I I all.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Right, So let's do this. Sorry, since we're going to
continue this, okay, we are going to, Like I said,
this will be also next week's episode. So if you
don't like it, that's fine. We'll be back with the
normal stuff eventually. What do you think will happen? Like,
what what do you foresee happening with all of this?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
But I hope or what for c well, I.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Mean, what do you foresee? What do you think will
go down? As as the only two of us who
have any any run into with the law.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
That sounds ridiculous, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
What you were young?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Ah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
This was like thirty forty years ago. So well, you're
the most beautiful fifty seven year old I've ever seen
to the no, no, to the now in my whole life.
She's younger than me. It's fine, but no, really, what
do you foresee happening with all this? Because I have,
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I have it, I have what I think will happen
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I think, do you think she's guilty one hundred percent?
Speaker 6 (45:42):
One hundred I What I hope happens is they both
get charged. Whoever was involved, if it was someone also
has charges brought against them. But I think it's going
to be difficult to prove. I think it's going to
be a battle to get there.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I think the complete opposite. I think it's going to
be very easy to prove. I think the fact that uh,
they already have a paper trail through the text messaging
that she did try indeed to set this up and
already has you know, the agreeance of monetization. You know,
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they're the payment down payment. The fact that he was
out of town when she said he was going to be,
the fact that she reached out to a known killer.
I think all that's going to be very easy. But
my problem is is that because she wasn't able to
follow through, I think her sentence is going to end
up being pretty light. I I think she'll only see
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a couple of years in jail out of this.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Unfortunately, I think that would be dumb.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I that's what I think will happen.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Because like, you let her go and she.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't think. I don't think they'll let her go.
I just think she'll end up doing maybe five years.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
No, I meant like after any time, sir.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I mean it's like again like but that's the legal system.
So if she serves our time, she serves our time.
That's what everybody goes through. I just because she wasn't
able to see it all the way through, I don't
think she's gonna get much time. And I don't when
it comes to Grant Motto, I think he will get
charged with something. But does it matter. He's not getting
(47:27):
out anyway. He doesn't care, right, you know what, I'm
pretty sure he was sent away on three life sentences.
He was never coming out of jail, so what does
he care? Yeah, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
To him.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Nobody, nobody knows, and nobody really cares because it doesn't
make a difference.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
He doesn't have anybody around anymore because he's all to that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Oh yeah, well he's he's got his Eastern European webcam girl.
But I unfortunately don't think enough will happen to her
to absolutely to counter what she did. But maybe I'm wrong,
maybe we're both wrong. Maybe it'll be easy and she'll
go with jail forever, but I just don't see it.
But either way, Aaron has no idea who we are.
(48:07):
But I would like to say, Man, my heart goes
out to you. I couldn't imagine if this lovely lady
tried to have me murdered. First off, it's got to
be heart wrenching to think that the person you spend
every day with them love the most would do something
to like that to you. And on the complete opposite side,
it's just got to be wild to think that somebody
was willing to put a hit out on your life. Yeah,
(48:29):
I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It's so crazy. I like, I wouldn't even know how
to handle that. I would not even know the.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Real way to do that.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
There's no real way to handle that, like, that's not
something you're ever prepared for.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
No, So whatever you feel like you need to do, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
You do it, do it, You do it. If that
means going out with Zach late night and being a deuce,
you'd do that through. The second I said let me
see your head, it felt like I swallowed ten feathers
and they got stuck in my throat.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
It just gonna be that kind of pot almost like mud.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's fine, go do sh it up. But this is
where we're going to end this one. I believe you
know follow us on all the social media's. One day
I will start to post on them again. I promise
all the things, and again I apologize if this isn't
really your cup of tea, but I do want to
see the story through. So we are going to cover
this from We like to do different things every yeah,
(49:22):
at least this week and next week because I would
like to see some more about this. But you know,
this thing and there eventually will be back to normal.
And thank you everybody who held on while we took
a little break for I had. I couldn't say it
on the show. I'm sorry. I normally I'm like, oh,
we're going to take a break. But I couldn't say
it on here and be like Megan's sister's coming and
then surprise they're with it. It does doesn't work that way. Yeah,
(49:43):
but uh yeah, social media, do you have a We
have listener stories and I totally forgot. Ben, shut up.
I'm just going to out myself. Ben, I just totally forgot. However,
I will not forget on the next week's if I
I will try to read them both. I think I
believe he sent to If there's two, I will read too.
(50:04):
So Ben, I apologize. But Ben, our homeboy, Ben Forward
from our home state, did reach out again with a story.
I'm very excited, but we just kind of last minuted
at everything because your family literally just left.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
They just left.
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So I apologize, but I do have them. I will
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That's it all right?
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Speaker 6 (50:45):
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your names will scroll at the end like the kroll
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of a Star Wars movie. Sorry, I'm a little out
(51:12):
of it, man. We've been going and going and going.
I'm looking forward to just going to play video games.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, let's do that.
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Hey, if any of you listening played Daisy hit me
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No?
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Yeah, just come play with me, all right, go ahead
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Well, thank you everybody so much for listening, and we
will see you in the next one.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Maybe think of somebody better than a soft at butter
little bitch boy than granted Modern to do your bidding.
What's up, everybody. We're back.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are now.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We've had a very interesting couple of weeks. We have
had family coming to town. Your sister that you got
to see for the first time.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know, I know. It was a surprise. It was
(00:54):
such a surprise. It was I had no.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Idea, and the kids kept the secret really great.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We also had a medical emergency with our son, which
is kind of where we fell silent is. We didn't
really know what was going to be happening with that.
But now, as you can tell from this right here,
we are going to do something a little different than
we normally do. Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe not.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, we do react to things.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's been a while, it has been, for sure, and
were since we have kind of disappeared, took a little break.
The Aaron Goodwin story came out, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Do as a favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
There we'll be watching you. Okay, We've got three cameras there.
We're going to be there, watching you.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And that's what we're going to talk about today. This
page here, law and order. I believe it's what it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm pretty sure law and order.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Let me make sure. I want to law and crime.
Law and crime. Uh, they did a video. They usually
cover stuff really well, So we're going to watch their
video and kind of give you our thoughts on it.
So let's dive into this thing. I feel like there
are I'm just I'm gonna throw it out there just
to be transparent. We have seen what happened and there
(02:06):
are interesting ties to our home state of Florida in this.
So that's kind of a reason I wanted to talk
about it. But let's let's pop into this thing.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's I was definitely afraid of haunted houses, but at
least it's not real. Goat well, there are real ghosts.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
In what seemed like a fairy tale romance for Ghost
Adventures star Aaron Goodwin has turned into a shilling nightmare.
His wife Victoria is now accused of plotting his murder
with a convicted killer from a Florida prison, somebody you
may recognize behind their picture perfect social media post lies
(02:43):
an alleged twisting.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Now, before we get too far into this, like, I
know who this person is that they're referencing, and so
do you, and it is insane to me that this
dude is somehow making a comeback in the world of
news in general, because I thought the would just be
locked up and gone forever. Oh yeah, And for anybody
who doesn't know, I don't know how you would know
if you listen to us, but Aaron Goodwin, obviously as
(03:08):
a very well known member of the group Ghost Adventures
with Zach Began's Megan's froto.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Are you laughing at awesome?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Which kind of kicks started this podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh yeah, you know, like, if you listen to the show,
you will know episode one was Ghost Adventures, and I
like episode I don't even remember fifty. Yeah, I don't
know what's the end of the first year. I think
we redid it. But this is a This is Aaron
Goodwin of Ghost Adventures, and I would love to hear
Zach's thoughts on all this, only because I think this
(03:43):
made him more famous than Zach Now I do. And
we all know that Zach Begans loves the spotlight.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He loves himself.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Without a doubt, without affliction, gotty, gotty.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Scheme that has left the paranormal community in shock.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law on Crime. I'm Jesse Webber.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Okay, this is just a bizarre one to say the least,
What began with a seemingly fairy tale beginning has turned
into a real life nightmare for Ghost Adventure star Aaron Goodwin,
because his wife, Victoria, now stands accused of plotting his
murder in such a chilling scheme that, honestly, it kind
(04:35):
of reads like a script from one of his own
paranormal investigations. The wife of the Ghost Adventures host has
been arrested and accused of conspiring to murder her husband
in a scheme involving an inmate in a Florida prison.
I mean, this is shocking because you have this alleged
dark and twisted plot, and that couldn't contrast more with
(04:57):
the couple's seemingly happy public.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Persona, particularly online. Now here's what we know.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
The story takes us back to October of last year,
when authority say Victoria Goodwin initiated contact with an inmate
in a Florida prison and TMZ says that they have
identified this inmate as Grant a motto.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Who is a grant A motto? Grant a motto. If
you don't know who this guy is, you have to
look him up.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He fell in love with a webcam girl from like
Russia or somewhere therea else, and like gave all his
money to her, thinking that he had this relationship with her.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Not all just his money, but then started taking his
dad's money and his mom's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
He just stole money from everybody in his family and
his mom, his dad, and then they found out and
he murdered the entire family, all of them. Look at
this guy. Look at this man's picture. Okay, look at
his picture. This I can When this broke, I was like,
(06:02):
you've got to be getting me. She reached out to
Grant a motto, the world's biggest Internet club of all time.
This dude has got to be the softest butteriest little
boy ever ever. He is the He is just the
epitome of internet boys. He has to be. Who thinks
(06:28):
that a girl a smoking howt girl? At that? From
across He is the simp of all simps. He is
Grant mister Simpson a motto.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I also, I don't know if they're going to go
into this in the video, but like, why him, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
He's locked up in jail, Like, look at him, does
do you think he has people?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think she thought maybe he did have some kind
of connections because of who he is, because I.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Mean, okay, his name is big, but because he's a psycho,
that doesn't mean anything else.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He's kind of a psycho. Like I, I would not
be scared of him.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I mean no, but he murdered his hole.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You could take this guy does.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Look at him, but he killed his whole family.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Like what no, I mean weapons really level of the
playing field, That's all I gotta say, Like, look at
this man. Come on, but it is very strange to me.
Out of everybody, she could have reached out too. She
reached out to grant a motto, Internet's most notorious pleby simp.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Screw you, grant it convicted killer himself.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, when I read the story and I heard grand motto,
my ears perked up. Why I've been at Long Crime
since twenty seventeen. If you have been following Long Crime
for a while, you might remember this guy because, as
a matter of fact, we covered his trial. He is
everybody Life sentenced, Everybody's shocking triple murder.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A former nurse.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
He was convicted in twenty nineteen for the brutal killings
of his father, his mother, and his brother in their
Florida home.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
We the jury find the definite guilty a first degree
pre meditated murder. Further finding, we further find beyond a
reasonable doubt that during the commission of the offense, the
definite personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted
to use a firearm or a weapon. Further finding, we
(08:23):
further find that during the commission of the crime, the
definant actually possessed a firearm. Further fighting two, we further
find that during the commission of the crime, the definite
discharged a firearm. Further fighting three, we further find that
during the commission.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
We just have to all get over the fact that
she keeps saying defendant and not defendant. Hey whatever, she
got the job done. Who cares? Or they got the
job done. Say whatever you want about them. I have
a lot of things I could say, but I mean,
maybe we don't keep it family friendly. But I try
to censor myself a little bit because if I just
let loose, I don't know if anybody would listen to
this anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Is a lot something, but so am I okay?
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Than the crime the definite discharge a firearm and cause
the death of Margaret a motto. Verdict Count two, Chat
to Moatto, We the jury find the definite guilty of
first degree premeditated murder. Further finding, We further find beyond
a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the offense,
the definite personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or
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attempted to use a firearm or a weapon. Further findings One,
We further find that during the commission of the crime,
the definant actually possessed a firearm. Further fining Two, we
further find that during the commission of the crime, the
definite discharge a firearm.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It hurts me, seems.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Three. We further find that during the commission of the crime,
the definite discharge a firearm and cause the death of
Chat Tomato. Verdict, Count three, codya motto, We the jury
find the definite guilty of first degree premeditated murder. Further finding,
We further all.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right, so we get it, grant a motto. Bad dude, Yeah,
sort of, kind of. He's stupid. I don't even I
don't even understand how he got dragged into this. He's
just the dumbest person ever that could have been dragged
into this thing. Everybody who follows any kind of true
(10:21):
crime knows about Grant a Motto. It was a huge,
huge story. Again, just very wild that you know, Aaron
Goodwin's marriage if you look on social media and stuff,
they even people who knew them, they really seem to
exude like this perfect marriage. Yeah, this perfect.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They got along all the time. Yeah, like they just
lived life and were happy. And I don't this is
so crazy, so crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Absolutely so it's super strange that this even happened. It
just it doesn't really make any sense. And I don't
know if she has since actually said why she did this,
right she It just came out of nowhere. And I
feel bad, very a good one because he honestly seems
like a really sweet guy.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. So I don't always been my favorite.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I just don't. I mean, I mean, I really preferred
that fan Aaron, and I don't mean that derogative, you know,
in a derogative way.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like we love Aaron like in the era of them.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, it was the original, which I still think he's
probably a lovely man. But this just really seems like
one of those things that just really came out of
left field. It seems very strange.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, allegedly discussed plans with a motto to have Aaron
killed while he was on location filming his popular Discovery
Plus show. And by the way, just as an aside,
here in case you're not familiar, Ghost Adventures follows paranormal
investigator Zach Baggins and his team, which includes Aaron or
haunted locations.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Pretty crazy story, right, Look, but we wanted to bring
this one to you.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
We definitely wanted to shed a light on this and
dedicated an episode to that. And let me just quickly
call out and thank our spot sir for helping make
this episode happen.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
And that is Germas in.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, we're gonna skip the ad here. Is that a
hair product? Because this man's hair couldn't possibly get any bigger.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, I'm a little jealous. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh already then.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't know if anybody knows, but I'm pretty bald
under here.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
What makes this all really really strange is that the couple,
as I mentioned, seem to be living this fairytale life.
Social media posts from both Aaron and Victoria page She's
a very happy picture of the two They even tied
the knot in a whimsical ceremony at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion
in August of twenty twenty two. But apparently behind the scenes,
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their marriage might have been in some trouble. And as
I mentioned earlier, this alleged plot supposedly involved this inmate
grand to Motto, and according to police, Victoria told investigators
that you first learned about a Motto through the documentary
that I mentioned before, again corresponding with him as pen
pals while he was incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And despite his alleged role in this scheme.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Though Rando Motto has not yet been charged by Nevada
prosecutors in connection with this alleged attempted contract.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Now I do have to say some of this may
have changed by now. He may have been charged, she
may have come out. Since I haven't seen anything else
on this yet since this video we watched, I think,
like I don't know, a couple of days after it
came out. So I just want to throw that out
there that I know that we're kind of coming in
late to this, but we just wanted to talk about
it on our channel because I mean, honestly, it it
(13:36):
interacts directly with our show only because yeah, we got
off the ground with the show talking about them.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The paranormal, and now we're getting into crime.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So it's literally well and ghost adventures of all things. Yeah,
you know, very so things could have changed. I know
that maybe we'll do another video here soon in the future.
Apparently he has come out and spoken about it. Maybe
we'll do that next week. Maybe we'll discontinue this.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah, because I excuse me, I want to know more
about this.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well I do too.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I have not looked into it. I knew we wanted to.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Cover this, so I kind of have stayed away and
I am very at Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, but I but I do just want to throw
that out there that I understand. We're coming in a
little late on this, so other things may have developed,
and we will probably revisit this next week where we
I would like to look more into this and see
what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and now that we've started, we can kind of
dig in.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, So Patreon, get ready because we are going to
probably keep talking about this because it's very interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yes, right, killing Now, before we go any further into this,
I want to bring back onto the show Detective Eric
Barnes who always helps us out when it comes to
these very strange investigations. Detective, thanks so much for coming on.
I appreciate you taking the time, just your overall thoughts
on this. I mean, what part do you want to
hit first? Do you want to hit the fact that
you know they got this television star whose wife is
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now accused of trying to plot his murder, or the
fact they have somebody on the outside who allegedly has
been contacting an inmate to carry out a murder for
higher plot. We're going to get through all the details,
but this is unique.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, there is, Jessee. It's a lot to unpack here.
Anytime you hear about someone plotting to queue someone they're
married to, you know that in itself is just full
of of questions. But then when you start adding in
the fact that you have a reality TV stars contacting inmates,
I mean, this is just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
How common are murder for higher plots?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Murder for higher is one of those things that doesn't
is not a common occurrence, Like, you don't, you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
He says that, But how many things have we seen
that were murdered for higher?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Quite a few, quite a lot, like a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So it's very strange that he says that it's it's
not very common, because I feel like we've seen it
quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, so I don't know, we just watched that much.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
True, we definitely do.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Wait absolutely come across those too often. A detective may
investigate maybe one their whole career.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
You know, this is a big question that I don't
ask enough. If this is true, taking these allegations is true,
why would somebody resort to this as opposed to a
divorce if she was truly unhappy? I mean, we could
talk about that generally. How many times spouses are accused
or end up killing don't kill it just killing, or
or convicted of killing their significating directly to why go
(16:30):
that route as opposed to a divorce?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Well, you know, when I was reading an article, you know,
I'm not investigating the case, so I haven't had time
to kind of dig into the evidence. And once more
it is released, I think will definitely be able to tell.
But you know, one of the first indicators in situations
like this, when Mary seems to be going down, and
the fact that he's a television star. You know, sometimes
people are worth more dead than they are alive, and
(16:54):
so I always tend to think that financial matters are
huge motivator in these situations.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Now I'm going to get a little bit more into
the grand Motto connection to this. But why do you
think he hasn't been charged yet, criminally charged in connection
with this plot?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Prosecutors are very Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I'm gonna say it's probably because they haven't figured out
how to charge him. He's going to catch a.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Charge for this.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean, he's part of a murder for higher plot.
He's going to catch a charge.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yes, and he is incarcerated, he's already locked up. But
I think my question would be like, did he entertain her?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
He did after she reached out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yes he did. Oh, he's part That's that's why they're
saying he's part of a murder for higher plot. He
was in.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, so he's think, I mean, what do you got? Boys?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Like? What?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I don't understand?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
All Right, We're watching a television series right now, which
I highly recommend to everybody, Happy Face. It's amazing. It's
a out Melissa Moore's story and her dad, Keith jessperson.
But whatever, the point I'm trying to make is these
people going to jail, prison, whatever, and they kind of,
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you know, accrue this following of people who will do
things for them. And I bring this up because in
the show are watching, Keith Jasperson just always seems to
find a way to reach out to people. So I'm
sure Grant a Motto has his little clique. I mean,
even the world's biggest pile of crap Chris Watts has
(18:32):
some girls exactly well, because it baffles It baffles me
that there are girls out there who want him after
what he did to his wife and children.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hate that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It blows my mind. But I'm just saying, even Grant
a Motto, even though he is like the world's smallest man,
will have people willing to help him because his status now.
And I think they're trying to figure out how to
charge him to the fullest. So they haven't done anything yet.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He's not going anywhere, So absolutely.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's no doubt that very careful on cases like this,
you also you have to take into account that his
past history as an inmate and his credibility may be
something that they don't want to rush to judgment with
just using his statements. Also, he may be cooperating it
just depends on what strategy the prosecutors are using, and
I think that is going to heavily rely upon the
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type of evidence that they've already secured on the cast.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Basically, that's interesting because let's talk about what the evidence is.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
How'd they find this out?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
While while a Moto is not yet facing charges, police
say it was through him that they were able to
actually uncover this electric skin because, according to the complaint
that TMZ reviewed, Florida prison officials discovered and seized a
contraband phone that he was apparently using, and what they
reportedly discovered on there was chilling.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It was text messages, So he somehow got a phone
in jail and was corresponding with missus Goodwin through text messaging.
It's just all it's just so weird, man. What Like,
I'm not even surprised by the whole murder for higher thing.
It's just with grant a motto. She probably was like
(20:18):
I can get him to do whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I mean, she is really pretty, so yeah, probably.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Some suggestive pictures is all it takes.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Honestly, like she could have done that with anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yes, but look at this man again right here and
tell me that this isn't an easy mark the man
who murdered his family for some Eastern European girl. It
is so makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
To your point, fair point makes sense.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Messages exchange between Victoria and the inmate, if verified as evidence,
they are quite damning because, according to the Daily Mail,
in one message, Victoria allegedly appears to have written, am
I a bad person because I chose to end his
existence not divorce?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Now, how exactly was Victoria supposedly working with this inmate? So?
In October again, this is according to the Daily Mail,
Aaron was in California filming Ghost Adventures with his longtime
co star paranormal investigator Zach Baggins, and police there's other
people in Victoria provided this inmate with his filming schedule
and his hotel location so that this would be carried
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out while he was out of state. The couple actually
reside in Nevada, and the criminal complaint revealed more of
these texts, as reported by The Daily Mail, where the inmate,
Granda Motto, allegedly messaged the purported hitman saying he's asleep
right now in the hotel room. I need to know
what's going on? Can I get an update was it done?
So this suggests that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So therefore he liked they were working.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
To get someone already, because he's like, is it done? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh yeah, what yeah? So he reached out, I believe,
and found somebody and like they had this whole thing
set up. It's just it's just it's mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's mind Sam, just leave him.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Do you think Zach would immediately try to investigate the
spirit of Aaron within like thirty seconds?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
That there might be more to this because we don't
really know how far Victoria allegedly took this plot. If
she did plot this, what happened to the hit man?
We know Aaron was never actually confronted by any sort
of hitm and so what happened to that person? How
did a Motto get in contact with that person or
police still searching for him as of right now, It's
all uncertain. That's what makes us also quite bizarre. But
what we do know is that authorities claim Victoria agreed
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to pay the hit man a total of eleven thousand,
five hundred and fifteen dollars very specific amount there with
enough front payment of twenty five hundred dollars, and after
months of investigating I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Feel like that's enough money to kill somebody.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Eleven thousand, five hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, man, I think it was five hundred and fifty,
but still what why not twelve or eleven?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But it's not enough.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's twenty twenty five out here? Is not enough that
What is that going to get you? Half of a car.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Nice and shiny?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So seventy eight yeah, looking good, looks really good.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
A new apartment that yeah, down payment and deposits.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's what I'm saying. What like, that's not enough money
to take somebody in life?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Oh my god, that's a very specific number two. It
baffles me. What how did you get there?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's very stupid enough.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
You threw out fifty for gas, Like, I don't I
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You might be onto something. I mean, it is Florida people.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Fifty for gas? Were you on top of everything?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah? I got fitty on it.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Police arrested her on March sixth and Clark County, Nevada,
on charges of solicitation to commit murder and conspiracy murder.
She was held on a one hundred thousand dollars bail.
Made her first court appearance yesterday for an arrayment. She
was not these allegations. Her defense is that this was
all just a fantasy, that she was never intending to
do anything to Aaron, and regard in the text messages,
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as reported by TMZ, she claimed that she was just
quote day dreaming or fantasizing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That when you send the messages and have somebody lined up,
that is more than a date. That's more than a daydream.
One hundred literally set up somebody's murder.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You're literally doing it. That is dreaming.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, no, you were not.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's a fantasy.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Do you remember when my hair was as long as hers?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, just super long hair.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Sit back there and say my hair right, luxurious when
you know it is, bitch.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Those are the things that and as for the money
that she allegedly sent to the limit, she claims that
was just for the inmate to have a cell phone,
not for a murder for hire, and this is key.
She apparently did admit to authorities that her marriage with
Aaron was in some kind of trouble, or at the
very least admitted to police that she told a motto
that her marriage was in trouble.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But there are two things that make us difficult to understand.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
For one, as I mentioned Earl, you really wouldn't see
the signs of distress by the looks of the couple's
online persona. And second, Aaron apparently didn't think anything was
wrong in their marriage. Sources close to Aaron, who by
the way, has over six hundred and sixty thousand Instagram
followers and is a beloved figure in the paranormal community,
who portly told TMZ that he was quote blindsided and
devastated at this turn of events, and the sources also
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told TMZ that he believed he was in a happy
marriage and had no idea about his wife's alleged scheming.
Back to Detective Barnes, Detective how to investigators determine whether
text text message is like the ones I read?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
For example, am I a bad person because I chose
to end his existence not divorced? How do they know
that's a genuine threat or a genuine step towards trying
to carry out this plot?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You know?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I think the first step Jesse is just determining the
validity of those texts was was Aaron actually out of
town at the location she was providing? I think determining
his schedule. See if he was actually where he where
the text said he was. I think that is going
to tell you right there. And you know, good luck
to having somebody believe that this was just some fantasy.
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When you start discussing large sums of money and cash
being exchanged and you're on a legal cell phone inside
of prison with someone that's already associated with committing a murder,
it's just very hard for an average person to delve
into that.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, that specific amount is weird too, right, that specific amount.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yes, And I would be interested as to why that
number was that number. And you know, those things are
going to all be coroborated by the interviews that they do,
the law enforcement does with the alleged hit man, and
also the middleman that helps set this up.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
By the way, how does an inmate have a cell phone?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Sometimes? You know, in these facilities there are ways that
inmates get things that they want, you know, sometimes when
visitors may smuggle it in, and sometimes you know there's
guards that bring in contraband. And it's just a problem
that we deal with because you know, money talks, and
sometimes people's values are our question.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
H have you seen cases before not maybe not necessarily
where somebody sees a story of a convicted killer and
then decides to contact them and then orchestrate a murder
for higher plot. But have you seen cases before where
somebody who is behind bars is able to orchestrate a
crime on the outside.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Again, assuming these allegations.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All the time, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I know he's doing this for the sake of a
good story, but yeah, that's generally how it happens. And
like people smuggle all kinds of stuff in a jail, anything, anything.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Don't even understand the knives, drugs, Like everybody don't even
understand the question happens, and everybody knows what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, he's trying to lay out a good story, So
I mean I understand what he's doing. But like there's
nobody alive today that doesn't understand that things get into
the jails. So I mean, yeah, this no, in cell
phones are probably one of the most common things.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I mean, fair point, there was already money exchange, Like
there was money talked about, fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Like, yeah, so her whole like little fantasy defense is
a fantasy, is pulsh It's a fantasy?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, her story is a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's a fantasy. I love fantasies, brother, Eh, what's that?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Ications are true?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
You know, those sort of things are pretty common because
you know, if you look at the wife, she probably
doesn't associate with these type of individuals that are willing
to do murder for hires. So she doesn't know where
to go to do something like that, and that's not
the world that she lives, and so when she reaches
out to someone, she's taking a very big risk. Even
with an inmate like that's his way essentially, if he's
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able to drum up this conversation enough, that may be
something that he can get to his attorney and take
to a prosecutor and help get out of jail a
little bit sooner because he's helped unravel this murder for
hire reply. And so you just never can be trusting
of individuals in this situation. And the more people you
get involved in these type situations, the greater risk there
is someone else is going to make a mistake.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
No, that's a great point. That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I am curious though, like whether whether it's not even
a type of crime like this or whatever it is,
But is it possible. Do you see it common that
people who are locked up are able to communicate to
someone on the outside, like a purported hitman who they
can't find carry out attack X.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Y and Z do this.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I mean, I imagine he's not the only person who, again,
assuming the allegations are true, who are able to do
this and coordinate activity on the outside of prison.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know, it's more typical.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I mean, of course, being incarcerated, like you have to
be careful of who you talk to, but like other
people know people too well.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It's funny because you know, back to this, like do
a lot of cellphones, things could smuggle into jails. There
was actually like if you go online, there's like a
whole segment of like TikTok and stuff where it's prisoners
people doing making tiktoks in prison. Yeah, I mean there's
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there's been famous accounts of guys who have remained anonymous
on there. So it happens constantly. So I don't know,
it's just an all the time thing. It's nothing new.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
When drug and narcotic investigations not typically murder for higher investigations,
I mean, you are basically you're planning a murder over
text messages. You know, it's just very unheard of because
people are trying to keep those keep those playing a secret,
and for you to send it in text into a
phone that's inside a facility.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Now, by the way, I mentioned, we still don't know
who this purported hit man is or if there even
really is one. So I'm gonna ask it to you
two different ways. If there is one, what are police
likely doing to try to track down this person? And
if there isn't one, do you think that would help
Victoria's defense that maybe this wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, that's a touchy such a situation.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I think that regardless of whether there was a hit
man or not, her plan is still there. It sounds
like her plan was there and she was making plans
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That it really depends on where she is and all this.
So like, if there's not a hit man, that might
be irrelevant if she thinks that there is, right, So
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like the fact that like maybe Grant took the money
and pretended there was a hit man, But the fact
is that she is still trying to hire a hit man.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
She's still actively involved in trying to have.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So in her brain. It's still a real still going,
it's still a real hit. Yeah. So I would hope
that in our legal system they would look at it
like that, to where she is trying to set up
a hit on Aaron. So I think it's only right
that they would say, you know, she's guilty of at
least absolutely.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You mentioned earlier about the twenty five hundred dollars deposit.
That would be interested as to see how that money
changed place. With the middleman being locked up in prison,
she couldn't physically drop off the cash to him, So
I would love to know what their bank transactions that
maybe they could tie to a third individual.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Why would Grant a Motto be interested in being involved
in this any idea? If he's not getting money, she
was probably like a connection to this any stranger.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Maybe they were there having some sort of communication and
he felt for her in some way. I don't know,
But you tell me what you might be investiga. If
you were a part of this investigation and you're trying
to see what his connection is, why he would get
involved in this, what can tell us.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I don't know what his connection could be at this point.
Other than there's some financial gain that would come out
of it. But if you're already locked up, I mean,
what is it going to provide for you? Some extra commissary,
a few bags that, you know, extra phone calls. I
don't know what he could get out of this communication
that would be enough for him to take this kind
of risk. Sometimes people are lured into the fact that,
you know, he's actually having a conversation with the female
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on the outside, and she's a very high profile female
because of her association with her husband, so that could
be interesting as well on his behalf. But I just
it just doesn't make sense on why he would get
involved in this if he's not gonna have some great benefit.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So I want to dive a little bit more into
what makes this case really strange other than everything I mentioned,
and it's the fact that this whole and I keep
using this word, but the whole seemingly fairy tale love
story that these two had going on, and then now
what she's accused of doing, Because at least you have
to wonder maybe is that what Victoria allegedly wanted people
to think about their lives. So before we get into
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the social media posts, I just got to get a
little bit more background about these two.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So you have Aaron Goodwin.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
He's this longtime investigator cameraman for the hit paranormal series
Ghost Adventures. According to his bio on the Travel Channel,
it says, referred to by many as a teddy bear
or Zach's bit of choice, Aaron actually hates to be.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Left alone in attics or just about anywhere.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You can also expect to hear him say dude about
twenty times per episode.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Always armed with a camera.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Aaron travels around the world with the team to record
with the experience in each haunted location.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's fair like Aaron is the most likable character on this.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
He really is, and he always has been always.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I okay, I have a theory.
I do have a theory I'm trying to figure out
about this. I think that Victoria reached out to grant
a motto in a possible romantic way because that fits his.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Mo Yeah, that fits why he did.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
His She's attractive, she's around his age. You know, she's
got money, and I think she figured since he obviously
was cold hearted enough to take out his family, that
he might be able to find a way to help her,
and I think she used her powers of woman over
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him and probably you know, you know what I mean.
He's a club Yeah, I know, he's a he's a
soy boy. You know, he doesn't look like he's ever
at a steak. I'm sure he's eating a few steaks
in jail, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Because next time I come for you, I'm gonna want
some cocktail.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
True take it.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But he I think he would be very easy to
sway with an attractive woman with him absolutely, So I
really do think.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
She's took advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it's going to come out that at some
point she had a relationship with him and she's using
that we I mean, she never actually has to touch him.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So weird.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Now, Victoria, who apparently describes herself on Instagram as an
athlete and Rare Illness plus c PTSD warrior, has been
open about her struggles with accalasia. This is a rare
condition that affects swallowing with chronic illness. She did an
interview a couple to Acamber on the Motivational Talks with
Ash podcast, and she spoke about her diagnosis how it
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derailed her dreams of becoming a professional golfer, and she's
also been an advocate for mental health and chronic illness awareness,
sharing her story to inspire others.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And back to your detective Bartnes.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
In cases like this where you have one person who
seems blindsided by the other's actions, how often do you
see that in your experience? Do people typically show signs
of being unaware that this comes out of nowhere?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Typically, you know, one, there is one part of this
quote unquote left in the dark. My heart goes out
to Aaron, you know, and I can't imagine being blindsided
by something like this. Not only is he losing someone
that he chose to be a partner with, but to
realize that, you know, she was actually plotting to.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Have him killed.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I can't imagine that. And I also think this is
a great occasion for law enforcement that we are actually
able to intervene before the act took place. Yeah, you know,
it's one of those things that people that are involved
in these relationships you just never know what pushes someone else,
and you never know what goes on behind closed doors.
People can portray that life is great to everyone on
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the outside. And obviously she did a great job if
her husband didn't realize there was big problems.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Yeah, they It's true because you really don't know what
people are capable of or what's going on. And let
me put this in different perspectives. So I want to
do a deep dive now into the social media post.
We analyze multiple posts both on Aaron's account and Victoria's.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Before they get into like social media I do. I
also want to point out that like everybody's life looks
better on social media.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Of course, of course, you know, so everybody portrays that
like perfectness about their lives.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Absolutely absolutely, which is why I tend not to even
post much. I like my business to be my business.
It's just who I am. I'm a private person. But
using trying to use social media as kind of like
a basis of looking to see if something could be wrong,
especially when you're somebody who's you know, at least am
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I famous. Yeah, you're never gonna post. You're never going
to post things that look bad, you know, because you
have a public image to uphold. So I just I
hate when they're like, oh, but they're social media. But
of course Aaron probably doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Give him the public eye for forever, so why.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Would they there's.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
A pretty decent chance that Aaron might not even post
on his own social media, might be somebody else because
he is famous.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He's not like an A list celebrity or anything, but
he's famous enough. So I don't know, man, I don't
like using the social media aspect at all because they're
just never going to post like, oh hate each other,
you know, I hate woman, Yeah, exactly. So I just
find it super strange that they're going to do.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
That's account and they paint this picture of a loving relationship.
From what we can see, they've been doing since at
least twenty eighteen. The oldest post that we could find
was from November of twenty eighteen. It reads, I'm so
thankful for her. She's there for me when I'm down
up and makes me laugh all day. She is so wonderful.
I love every minute with her that you even had.
As I mentioned their wedding at the Haunted Mansion in Disney,
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last photos of the couple on that special day, writing
it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times
due to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier.
Twenty twenty three, Aaron took Victoria to a haunted house
documented that adventure with her as seen here.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's a haunted house.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Was definitely afraid of haunted houses, but a list it's not.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Real goats, Well, there are real ghosts in there.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Actually no help.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
And then back in August of last year, Aaron posted
in commemoration of their anniversary, writing two years ago today,
I got married my best friend.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I'm so lucky to have you in my life.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
They've only been married two years. Two years. That's not
even like enough to really know like each other at
one hundred percent? Right?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Absolutely, we have been together for like I know, we've
not how long we've been married, but we've been together
like a amost thirteen years now. We still find out
things about each other that we didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Know that was real.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I thought I dreamed that.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Oh god, all right, oh god, it's.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just crazy to me that she not him obviously, he's
still very much in love. That she's passed that phase
already into the let's get him killed. Phase?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Is that a phase?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Though eventually we'll find out in a few years, you
will find.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Out if And then on Valentine's day this year, so
that's February, about what, four months after the alleged plot
and just weeks before Victoria's arrest. Victoria shared a photo
of the two of them playing mini golf, captioning it
mini golf with my Valentine, and then this lego set
she built for Aaron, captioning it finally finished my Valentine.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Gift, I love you so much.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
And she also has post commemorating their first date and anniversaries.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
We're on an expedition of fign dinosaurs and maybe get Lost.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Lost Jurassic Park tour.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
This is the east side of a Wahoo. You're about
forty minutes from north Shore.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Here, but if you cool, you got to check it out.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So many cool things to see.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Music videos filmed here.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Lost TV show Love Lost, You're gonna love this place,
plus losses filmed on other islands. So we got a
lot of work.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
To do in Jurassic Car Jurassic World.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Is it weird to you to see Aaron acting like
a normal person? No, it is to me.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
No, these always seemed more like a normal guy than
anybody else on the show.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Why can't we get rid of Zach just let it be.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Aaron would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
What if we just made him in charge of that?
Does anybody actually still like Zach? I mean there?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Let us know in the comments?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, comment below? Do you still actually? I'm not going
to shame anybody for liking ghost a Benure. I find
it entertaining, don't get me wrong, but do you still
like Zach? Like she said? Comment below? We want to know?
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Are you five?
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Oh Jamon?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Sorry, not all of us are, okay, Detective lot to
make here. How often do investigators look at these social
media posts? What are they looking at it for? And
what do you think the significance of it could be
in this kind of.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Case, Jesse?
Speaker 4 (42:19):
The significance of social media is that any person can
be whoever they want to be on social media, and
it could be the furthest person from reality. You have
the ability to create images in a portray to the
world and basically paint a picture, use future whoever you
to give people insight into what you want them to see.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And it sounds like she was doing that.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
You know, if the allegations are true, then what she
appeared to be doing was painting a picture of this
perfect relationship and staying in character, you know, to give
herself an alibi.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
That could be a very good prosecution argument. The defense's
argument would be, she didn't do this, she loves her husband.
Look at these posts, look at this?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
How can someone fake this?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
How can someone orchestrate appla to kill him and be
you know, love.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
W You'd have to be a sociopath to be able
to do this.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
And I think that's I wonder if that would be
a point of contention or a point of disagreement moving forward, Detective.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
It sounds like it would.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
I think that there's a very key point as well
in this that I think the defense would have to overcome,
and that's the fact that the plot and the plan
was for this to take place while he was out
of town. Yeah, and I think again, it gives her
further distance away from the crime. You know, when it
happens in your own backyard espouses the first person police
look at. But when you're hundreds of miles away from
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your residence, you know, it kind of gives the wife
a little room and gives her an alibi that you know,
I was here at my house, mine and my business,
in my daily routine, and I'm a victim other's crime.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It's a really really good point. Look, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
As of now, Victoria remains in custody, but Aaron Goodwin's
future remains uncertain. I will tell you, though, one thing
is clear. This paranormal investigator who spent years confronting ghosts,
he now faces a chilling reality far closer to home.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Detective Eric Barnes.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm going to tell you what. I never thought that
I would see the day or something this insane happening
to Aaron Goodwin of all people.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't understand. I don't get it, like it.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Just seems so strange.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I don't know. I I all.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Right, So let's do this. Sorry, since we're going to
continue this, okay, we are going to, Like I said,
this will be also next week's episode. So if you
don't like it, that's fine. We'll be back with the
normal stuff eventually. What do you think will happen? Like,
what what do you foresee happening with all of this?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
But I hope or what for c well, I.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Mean, what do you foresee? What do you think will
go down? As as the only two of us who
have any any run into with the law.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
That sounds ridiculous, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
What you were young?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Ah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
This was like thirty forty years ago. So well, you're
the most beautiful fifty seven year old I've ever seen
to the no, no, to the now in my whole life.
She's younger than me. It's fine, but no, really, what
do you foresee happening with all this? Because I have,
(45:33):
I have it, I have what I think will happen
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I think, do you think she's guilty one hundred percent?
Speaker 6 (45:42):
One hundred I What I hope happens is they both
get charged. Whoever was involved, if it was someone also
has charges brought against them. But I think it's going
to be difficult to prove. I think it's going to
be a battle to get there.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I think the complete opposite. I think it's going to
be very easy to prove. I think the fact that uh,
they already have a paper trail through the text messaging
that she did try indeed to set this up and
already has you know, the agreeance of monetization. You know,
(46:26):
they're the payment down payment. The fact that he was
out of town when she said he was going to be,
the fact that she reached out to a known killer.
I think all that's going to be very easy. But
my problem is is that because she wasn't able to
follow through, I think her sentence is going to end
up being pretty light. I I think she'll only see
(46:49):
a couple of years in jail out of this.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Unfortunately, I think that would be dumb.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I that's what I think will happen.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Because like, you let her go and she.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't think. I don't think they'll let her go.
I just think she'll end up doing maybe five years.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
No, I meant like after any time, sir.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I mean it's like again like but that's the legal system.
So if she serves our time, she serves our time.
That's what everybody goes through. I just because she wasn't
able to see it all the way through, I don't
think she's gonna get much time. And I don't when
it comes to Grant Motto, I think he will get
charged with something. But does it matter. He's not getting
(47:27):
out anyway. He doesn't care, right, you know what, I'm
pretty sure he was sent away on three life sentences.
He was never coming out of jail, so what does
he care? Yeah, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
To him.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Nobody, nobody knows, and nobody really cares because it doesn't
make a difference.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
He doesn't have anybody around anymore because he's all to that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Oh yeah, well he's he's got his Eastern European webcam girl.
But I unfortunately don't think enough will happen to her
to absolutely to counter what she did. But maybe I'm wrong,
maybe we're both wrong. Maybe it'll be easy and she'll
go with jail forever, but I just don't see it.
But either way, Aaron has no idea who we are.
(48:07):
But I would like to say, Man, my heart goes
out to you. I couldn't imagine if this lovely lady
tried to have me murdered. First off, it's got to
be heart wrenching to think that the person you spend
every day with them love the most would do something
to like that to you. And on the complete opposite side,
it's just got to be wild to think that somebody
was willing to put a hit out on your life. Yeah,
(48:29):
I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It's so crazy. I like, I wouldn't even know how
to handle that. I would not even know the.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Real way to do that.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
There's no real way to handle that, like, that's not
something you're ever prepared for.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
No, So whatever you feel like you need to do, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
You do it, do it, You do it. If that
means going out with Zach late night and being a deuce,
you'd do that through. The second I said let me
see your head, it felt like I swallowed ten feathers
and they got stuck in my throat.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
It just gonna be that kind of pot almost like mud.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's fine, go do sh it up. But this is
where we're going to end this one. I believe you
know follow us on all the social media's. One day
I will start to post on them again. I promise
all the things, and again I apologize if this isn't
really your cup of tea, but I do want to
see the story through. So we are going to cover
this from We like to do different things every yeah,
(49:22):
at least this week and next week because I would
like to see some more about this. But you know,
this thing and there eventually will be back to normal.
And thank you everybody who held on while we took
a little break for I had. I couldn't say it
on the show. I'm sorry. I normally I'm like, oh,
we're going to take a break. But I couldn't say
it on here and be like Megan's sister's coming and
then surprise they're with it. It does doesn't work that way. Yeah,
(49:43):
but uh yeah, social media, do you have a We
have listener stories and I totally forgot. Ben, shut up.
I'm just going to out myself. Ben, I just totally forgot. However,
I will not forget on the next week's if I
I will try to read them both. I think I
believe he sent to If there's two, I will read too.
(50:04):
So Ben, I apologize. But Ben, our homeboy, Ben Forward
from our home state, did reach out again with a story.
I'm very excited, but we just kind of last minuted
at everything because your family literally just left.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
They just left.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
So I apologize, but I do have them. I will
read them, I swear. And anyways, if you have a
listener story or a suggestion, or you just want to
reach out and say hi for the Boost twelve at
gmail dot com. That's right, And is there anything else?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
That's it all right?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
No, what we do another podcast?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
We do yeah on Patreon on.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Patreon, Yeah, if you want to come join us, over
on Patreon, you get the special treatment.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, it's for It's a Patreon dot com forward slash
for the Booze Underscore podcast. It's so much to remember
and shout out, obviously to all of our patreons. Your
your names will scroll at the end like the kroll
at the end of a Star Wars or the beginning
of a Star Wars movie. Sorry, I'm a little out
(51:12):
of it, man. We've been going and going and going.
I'm looking forward to just going to play video games.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Hey, if any of you listening played Daisy hit me
up on my Xbox. I'm always looking for people to
play with. Is that weird?
Speaker 7 (51:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, just come play with me, all right, go ahead
and take us out of here.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
Well, thank you everybody so much for listening, and we
will see you in the next one.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Maybe think of somebody better than a soft at butter
little bitch boy than granted Modern to do your bidding.
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