The New/Old Haunted Museum

Welcom Back B-oo's Crew! This week we dive into something we bet wasn't on anyones 2025 paranormal bingo card...The changing in ownership of the Warren home and museum. With the news still fresh about the passing of Dan Rivera, two well known friends in pop culture, comedian Matt Rife, and YouTuber Elton Castee decided to buy the property! While this may not make everyone happy, maybe this isn't for the worst.
 What do you think about this? Is it a bad idea, letting two comedian's hold the keys to some of the worlds most allegedly haunted item's? Or is it a good idea, being they will usher in a new era of young paranormal enthuist's? Well, those are the question's we will all have to wait to have answered. Either way, it seem's the Warren's legacy will live to see another day!

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Sources for this episode: ·       Official archives and publications from the Warren’s Occult Museum ·       Biographical interviews and public records about Dan Rivera ·       Historical accounts of Ed and Lorraine Warren’s investigations ·       Firsthand interviews with Tony Spera and other museum staff ·       Selected episodes from paranormal podcast networks ·       Articles and features from reputable news outlets covering the museum’s history ·       Books and documentaries on haunted artifacts and paranormal lore

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey everybody, and welcome back to four the Bees.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
For the booze. That's right that I love how you
still have to pick up the headphones.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, yeah, I can't hear the intro music if I'm
not worrying.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And then I came in wrong on the one time
and I didn't like it, So.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
All right, Well we're back. Dedication to those of you
who won't, nobody's really in the lives. It's just us.
But to those of you who aren't, I will say
it like that make ourselves sound like there's lots of
people in here. After this episode, we will be going
back to editing our podcast and putting on an edited
version of the video. It's never going to be like

(01:22):
it was before. That was a lot to do. I
just can't do it. It's not feasible. But because school start
and I'll be able to have more time to do it,
So we are going to do that, And today we
are going to talk about something paranormal in nature, but
more paranormal adjacent.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Paranormal adjacent.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's right for those of you who can clearly if
you know the shirt, please comment below that Meghan's wearing. Yeah,
because that's where the adjacent things come the adjacent thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Comes from, you know, let us know that.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, that's right. I've had to watch lots and
lots of those videos because Megan loves it, which I
do too. It's good kun, it's good family good, family friendly,
wholesome content.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
But today we are going to talk about something that
probably everybody who listens to this podcast knows about, and
that is the change in the Warren's House and museum.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I had a feeling that's what we were talking.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I have to add something at the end because
I read an article just before we came down here
that could further change this. Yes, okay, and I am
going to pre warn everybody. I don't know which side
of the fence you are on, but I know almost
every content creator that I have watched that would be
more of on the side of the paranormal spectrum that

(02:43):
we are as far as like wanting true stuff rather
than fake is probably, my opinion, is probably going to
drastically be wildly different than theirs. Okay, I just I
you know, I've thought about it, and.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I have not thought about it.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I have It's a it's a point of contention right
now for everybody in the paranormal field, because you have
people who are known to be fake who buy it.
So I mean, obviously nobody's gonna be super happy with it.
But honestly, what's the big deal because that anybody actually
believe the Warrens were real? M So what does it matter? Right?
I don't. I don't see what the big deal is.

(03:21):
But today we're gonna we're gonna start off. We're gonna
dive into the life of a mister Dan Rivera.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, okay, sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
The future of the Warrens Haunted Museum and what that
means for the rest of us, and how did Dan
come to own this infamous museum and what in the
end happened to him as the keeper of such dark relics. Because,
as we know, this story doesn't just start with you
know what's happening right now, It actually starts a little
before that.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Let's begin, obviously at the beginning, and Dan Rivera wasn't
always drawn to the supernatural. Born in a quiet suburb,
Dan grew up like any other child, fascinated more by
comic books and baseball cards than ghost stories. But as
he grew older, that began to change. And this is
almost my exact origin story because I was super into

(04:10):
like sports cards and comic books as a kid. That
was my jam. I would probably still do it now
had I not had all my comic books taken from
me and disposed of, sad face, very sad face. I
had Spider Man one through five, like the ogs, not
the Amazing Spider Man, the more modern one, but they're
they're valuable, and I had I had like the rarer

(04:34):
versions of them. Okay, I can't believe it. It was
in his late teens that Dan's curiosity for the unexplained
took root, and he stumbled across a local ghost tour
one autumn evening, a night thick with fog and anticipation. Now,
the stories he heard that night gripped him, not in fear,
but in fascination, and he started reading about hauntings and

(04:55):
investigating abandoned sites, and eventually volunteering local museums with eclectic collections.
Dan was determined to learn more, not just about ghosts,
but about the history that creates them.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hmmmm.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, to understand Dan's story, we need to know a
bit about the Warrens Haunted Museum itself, now founded by
famed paranormal investigators allegedly Ed and Lorraine Warren. The museum
is a cabinet of curiosities gone sinister, allegedly now. It
houses cursed dolls, allegedly ritual artifacts, allegedly, mirrors said to

(05:38):
be said to hold souls, and paintings rumored to be
doorways to other realms. Obviously allegedly now, the Warrens were
legends in their own right, and the museum was their legacy,
a place where the most dangerous objects were contained, sealed
away for the safety of the world. Now, I'm never
I would never deny the fact that Ed and Lorraine

(06:01):
Warren are. They're definitely legends. I respect what they created.
I just don't respect what they faked and stuff like that.
I like what they did for the paranormal world in
the modern age, but you'll never convince me that anything

(06:22):
they did was legit. I won't say anything. I won't
say anything because supposedly they did hundreds, maybe thousands of investigations,
so eventually they had to go to one that maybe
had something happening, you know, So I'll give them the
benefit of it out there, But I think it was
by accident more so than it was like they were
as large as life as the silver screen has portrayed

(06:45):
them to be. Yeah. After the passing of Ed and Lorraine,
the museum's future was uncertain. Now who would take the
helm well, who would ensure that these relics remained undisturbed
and that their stories would not be lost or unleashed? Allegedly,
don don dun a lot. I'm gonna say, allegedly a lot. Now.

(07:06):
Dan's journey intersected with the Warren's Haunting Museum thanks to
a chance encounter. While attending a paranormal convention in Connecticut,
Dan met Tony Sperra, the Warren's son in law and
the then current museum caretaker. Dan's genuine passion and impressive
knowledge caught Tony's attention, and the two struck up a friendship,
exchanging stories and ideas. Now soon Dan was invited behind

(07:31):
the scenes, given access to artifacts that few had seen
outside the Warren family, Dan became an apprentice of sorts,
learning the intricate and often secretive protocols that surrounded the museum,
and he developed a reputation for level headedness and respect,
both vital qualities for anyone dealing with objects believed to
harbor malevolent energies. I'm gonna be honest with everybody. I

(07:55):
know who Dan Rivera is, I know who Tony Spara is,
I know who all these people are. A I don't
know much about them because I've never been one to
be super fascinated and deep dive learn into things that
I think are fake. So while I know who they were,
it didn't never really matter to me because it's basically
like the costume jewelry version of a haunted museum as

(08:18):
far as I'm concerned. Okay, So I just want to
throw that out there. So like, most of this is
going to be pretty new information to even me because
I never really cared to learn it because I don't
put a lot of stock in any of these stories
being true. But what led to Dan becoming the owner?
While as Tony Sperra grew older and considered retirement, he
sawt someone who could not only manage the collection, but

(08:40):
treat it with the same respect and caution as the
Warrens themselves, and Dan, with his years of experience and
unwavering dedication, was an obvious choice. In a small, private ceremony.
I feel like in my head, I feel like it's
like a Mason ceremony. Like shit is getting like super weird.
It's getting weird, like naked old dudes and stuff. I'm

(09:03):
just saying, I'm just saying. In a small private ceremony,
Tony officially passed the keys and responsibilities to Dan. Now,
there was no fanfare, just the gravity of stewardship. Dan
signed the papers, accepted the keys, and for the first time,
stood alone in the museum's shadowy halls. He set about
modernizing the museum's security and cataloging system, implementing measures to

(09:27):
ensure that no artifact would be misplaced or of course mishandled.
Dan also worked to open the museum to a new generation,
launching interactive tours, digital archives, and educational programs to demystify,
but never trivialize, the haunted objects within. I feel like

(09:51):
that is the fanfare though, I feel like that is
the pageantry, right, Like I understand why would they have
a giant ceremony like publicly for something like this when
I think they know it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think you're talking to your microphone.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Sorry, I feel like they wanted to believe, like they
set all this stuff up, and they spent years and
years and years and years and years and years collecting
these things, and.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
They make great stories. They do make great stories.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Absolutely, I just feel.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like none of it's true. Mmm, no, I do.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You so you're gonna tell me that everything in that
museum everything?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes? Okay, I do think probably everything in the museum
is gary is I'm not gonna say garbage, but is
a token of fairy tales from long ago, because all
they had to do is collect an item and like
make up a backstory for it. I mean, they haven't
really ever been you know, verified. Yeah, well yeah, because

(11:04):
they've actually been de verified more people have proven them
fake more than they've ever been able to prove them real.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I mean, I guess that's true.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm just saying. I just think that it is a
a old building full of Grandma's chochkes with haunted stories.
That's just my opinion. But running the Warrens Haunted Museum
was not without its perils, and Dan begin to notice
strange occurrences almost immediately, lights flickering, unexplained cold spots, objects

(11:34):
subtly shifting from their places, and He dismissed these at
first as quirks of the old building or tricks of
the mind, but the incidents grew in frequency and intensity.
Now I'm gonna say this, though, there is that thing
about like willing things into existence, right, like, if enough people.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Believe it's something here of the story.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Not even just or even just believe it, but like
talk about it and make it bigger than it really
is exactly, they breathe life into it. And I think
that is more of a possibility of something happening there
than the possibility of them owning a bunch of haunted
items from fairy tales that they made up. Fair. That's

(12:20):
what I think. I think it's more of like a
homunculous situation.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I absolutely agree with that. But I still feel like,
and I'm not going to name any specific artifacts, whatever
have you, but we thrift a lot, WEE buy secondhand
things a lot, and we feel, we've talked about it before,

(12:46):
that that a lot of our things could be the
reason that we have activity.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Okay, but hear me out, Okay, I don't. I don't
don't necessarily I agree with that, But for all we know,
they could have just bought these brand knew at a
package store of some kind like a Walmart or Target
or whatever was available, you know up there where they
were BJ's. I don't know. I just don't. I don't know.

(13:19):
If I guess that is a possibility, that's fine. I
guess that is a possibility, if they're thrifting for it.
But I feel like people just give them this crap.
I don't. I don't. I just don't feel like there's
any real I just don't feel like there's anything real
about it. Okay. I mean, if they're thrifting for it, sure,

(13:40):
why not? It could be haunted, I guess.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
But I mean we believe that's part of why we have.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well that and that's why I'm agreeing with you saying that. Okay, maybe,
but I don't know, man, I just don't. I just
don't believe anything about them.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's that's what it is. That's what I think it is.
That it's them for you, Okay, yes, take them out
of the equation.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I would still say the same thing unless say, I
can know for sure that these are all secondhand items
bought from houses with deceased people.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Or like certifiable pieces.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Because look, you know for a fact, as well as
I do that we do thrift a lot. Not everything
comes from a deceased person. We've given up lots of stuff, absolutely,
you know, and so does everybody else. I think it's
a random chance encounter that you would get something that
that's something could be attached to, right, Because even though
we feel like this does happen, we're pretty sure that

(14:41):
it's stuff that we got from your grandparents' house who
did pass away in the house. I mean, all that
stuff happened before, because I mean the majority of the
stuff we thrift, we are clothes. I refuse to believe
that there's a ghost attached to my pink and white nikes.
I'm just saying, why the peak and white one, because

(15:04):
they're one of my favorite pair of shoes that I
bought from a thrift store.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I They're amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
But I'm just saying, like most of this stuff is
probably most of these I would almost guarantee most of
these people are still alive that we own stuff from.
It's just a charitable thing to do. So I don't know.
I will give you the I will give you the
benefit of the doubt and say, yes, I do believe
things could be attached to things and you end up
buying them at you know, a yard sale or a

(15:30):
thrift store. But when it comes to this place, I
just think they came across spooky looking things and bought
them because I knew they could sell a story attached
to it.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's fair, That's what it is. Fair. I agree. I
don't know if I necessarily agree.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I just have a of telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
But they do yes well, and that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And that's the problem, right A liar will tell the
truth every once in a while, but you're not gonna
believe them. What's the difference. That's where I'm at. So
one night, while Dan was locking up, he saw a
figure standing in the hallway, a shadow that seemed to
watch him unmoving. The temperature dropped and the silence became oppressive,
and Dan backed away, heart pounding, But when he turned around,

(16:14):
the figure was gone again. I do believe you can
will this kind of stuff into existence. It may even
be it may even be otherworldly. For all we know,
it might not even be, you know, like what we
think of as your run of the mill haunting. It
could just be something that's been willed in. Now, these
were not isolated events and Over time, Dan began to

(16:36):
feel as if the museum itself was testing him, or
perhaps warning him, and friends and employees reported hearing voices,
seeing shape slip past in their periphery. Some refused to
return after late shifts, and Dan, determined to honor the
Warrens legacy, pressed on me, there are stories about people
going there, mocking things and dying on their way home.

(16:58):
But a problem is is when we did our episode
on the Warrens, you're also going to find out that
they're the ones telling these stories. You can't you can't
find actual documentation of this stuff. Yeah, well that's why
I'm saying, I do know. I don't think it happened.
I don't think any of it happened. Like the guy
on the motorcycle who supposedly died, Where is the news

(17:20):
story to that that would have been reported on. As
months turned into years, the weight of the museum's legacy
began to show, and Dan's health suffered. Sleepless nights, unexplained illnesses,
a sense of unease that never quite lifted. He can
fight it in close friends about dreams of those lost
of artifacts, whispering in the dark. I mean, I would

(17:41):
imagine if you truly believe, and this is the place
you're at, you are going to things even if things aren't,
but you're convinced they are. It will take a toll
on you. Absolutely, Yet Dan resisted the urge to give
into fear, and he sought help from spiritual advisors, cleansings

(18:01):
and protective rights. He continued to educate the public about
the importance of respecting the power and history of each artifact,
warning visitors never take the museum's legends lightly, because again,
you could be screwing yourself if you truly believe. And so,
what happened to Dan Rivera, Well, the answer, perhaps fittingly

(18:22):
for a keeper of haunting things, remains partly shrouded in mystery.
Some say Dan still runs the museum, which obviously he doesn't,
keeping its secrets and protecting its legacy, a vigilant guardian
against the darkness. I think they're What they're trying to
say is they think he's still there. So we all

(18:46):
know what happened to Dan Rivera. Okay, Dan Rivera passed away,
and he passed away ago while on tour with the
Annabel Doll. I don't like talking about it because there's
a ton of videos that are trying to be like.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
That are attributing, attributing, thank.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
You, They're trying to attribute his death to annabel And
come on, dude, like this mans.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
His job to drive her around.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
We said this in the live video where we talked
about this before, like this dude has a family, bro
like and to say that it is just like building
up hype for another Warren story and this man, could
we just like let him be dead and like respect
him enough to like not try to make a box
office hit off of it. Because I'm gonna bet.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
You family who's left behind without him.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I'll bet you we're gonna get a movie. And it's
gonna it's gonna insinuate that Annabelle had something to do
with Dan Rivera's death.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
No, no, and I bet.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I bet you, I bet you we will get a movie.
It'll be like The Conjuring fourteen. I don't know Annabelle,
Eater of Souls, I don't know Tiger of Lives, but
the way they put out these movies, you know it's coming.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I hope not for his and his family's sake.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's going to happen. Now. The storied Warren Holme intertwined
with legends of paranormal investigation and home to the infamous
Haunted Museum has always attracted those with a fascination for
the supernatural. We're going to get more into the to
the actual museum now. I just wanted to talk about
Dan Rivera at first, So we're going to get more
into the home now. Now, this fascination reached new heights

(20:36):
when comedians Matt Rife and I didn't know Elton Castiy
was a comedian, but that's how he's labeled, so stepped
forward as the new stewards of this enigmatic property. This
really set the paranormal world ablaze.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It did people.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
A lot of people are pissed about this is if
you watch videos of debunkers and stuff, everybody's literally calling
this the end of like the paranormal What Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Why though? Why because because they're trying to turn it
into like a cash grab. Is that what they're saying?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I guess. But here's the thing, I don't actually think.
I do think they believe in the paranormal. I do like,
I do believe they I do believe they have faked
and videos too, But I do actually believe that they
do believe in the paranormal, agreed, especially Matt Rife. Oh,
Matt Rife, Like, all right, I know all the girls

(21:37):
like him because he's hot. I get it, he's a
good looking guy. But he has no real reason to
be so into it, at least out and had already
made money off of fake paranormal stuff, so there's there's
an interest there for him. But Matt is just a comedian,
a very well, you know, a very He's doing well, well,

(21:57):
he's doing well. He doesn't necessarily need this, no, So
I do believe that he actually believes in the paranormal,
but I also know I'm also pretty sure he also
knows that he's doing fake shit with Elton Zoo.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I feel like this is a hobby and an absolute
interest for him.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah. It's like if somebody like me and you had
the money and we could go buy it, we probably
would have bought it just because it's the freaking Warren Museum.
I would have had it but been like, all right,
I'll buy it because this is cool, super cool. I
don't believe in any of it, but I would still
do it because I'd be like, yea, it's pretty rad.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Because like we said, they left a legacy, whether exactly
believe it or not, whatever they did and said and
all the things like, it is still a ginormous legacy
they left behind in the paranormal world.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Now, look, if if Elton alone bought it, I could
see why there would be people upset. But I be honest,
like the majority of the articles don't even really talk
about Elton. It's like Matt rifhons it and that's not
the case. I mean, they both went in on it. Yeah,
but you would think by reading articles besides the few

(23:02):
that name Elton, that you would think Matt Rife owns
it himself.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I do have to say, with them getting this place
and them talking about what they're planning to do with
this place, I don't feel like because of what it is,
because it's a museum.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Don't get too into it because we do got to
stay stuff. At the end, I.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Feel like doing like overnight investigations is a little much.
I feel like I should just be like a tour
kind of thing. Do night tours. Sure, I don't know,
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean I do know, but I'll let everybody know
what the end. How I feel now, both Rife and Cassidy.
I think that's how you say his last name. Despite
their roots and comedy, harbor lifelong fascinations with the mysteries
that lie just beyond ordinary perception. For Matt Rife, curiosity
began in childhood, spurred by late night tales of haunted
theaters and unexplained happenings in the small of Ohio. Now,

(24:02):
the thrill of a good ghost story never left him,
and as his career in stand up comedy catapulted him
into the limelight, his intrigue with the supernatural remained a
grounding thread, fueling side projects, podcasts, and backstage conversations about
the world's most haunted localities. Now, Elton Casti's path ran parallel,

(24:24):
though by its own winding roads. Before he became synonymous
with the viral pranks and laughter, Casti spent nights exploring
abandoned asylums and forgotten mansions, camera in hand, heart pounding
with a mixture of dread and excitement. Through his tfil series,
he brought millions along for the ride, sharing raw moments

(24:45):
of awe, fear, and wonder as he pursued proof of
the paranormal. Allegedly each haunted location, each whispered legend left
him more enchanted by the unknown. Now, I will say that,
like I I agree and kind of disagree with what
they're saying here Elton. I've seen his old tfi L videos.

(25:08):
They're fun. I mean I'm a little old for that shit,
but they're fun, especially if you're younger. I get white
people watch it. They had nothing to do with paranormal.
It was like they just decided to try it one
day and it blew up, and then that's all they
do now, right, And for anybody who doesn't know TFIL
stands for, the fitt list is what it stands for.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, because they originally, in the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
They used to buy out They used to buy out
amusement parks.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
They used to just do things just because, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Like extreme extreme sports type stuff or just you know,
like adrenaline adrenaline junkie stuff, or they would just travel
around because they had an on godly amount of money,
but they would I remember a common thing for them
was to like buy out amusement parks and like just
film them being stupid kids at amusement park. Kids an
amazing time, I say, kids. And I think Ellen's like

(25:58):
my age. I think he's older. Yeah, I know, he's
the oldest one out of all of them all right,
But so I I don't doubt that he has an
actual fascination with the paranormal. But I think most of
his fascination is spurred from the fact that he knows
that it has made him pretty much rich.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's made his career.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, I can't say that. You can't say that because
before the paranormal stuff, they were already banking like he would.
He never really had to do it. But I think
once he tapped into that and realized that more people
were watching it and he was making more money. But
he was already rich before the paranormal stuff. He's part
of that, like old, like that original TikTok content house

(26:41):
creator crew type people. But it's weird because he's like
older than all of them.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It'd be like if I went and lived with a
bunch of twenty five year olds making TikTok content. God,
I would I would, I would shoot myself. I would
not be able to handle that. Not everybody would make
it out of that householive ah, they're friendship. God No,
wouldn't it just be me sitting in the corner shaking
my head all the time. I wouldn't I wouldn't be
able to do it. Now, their friendship was perhaps inevitable,

(27:10):
a meeting of two kindred spirits drawn not just to
the spotlight, but to the shadows that linger at its edge.
Introduced through mutual friends in the entertainment industry and united
by overlapping audiences, they soon discovered a shared vision to
approach the supernatural with both respect and a dash of irreverence,

(27:30):
blending curiosity with courage. Allegedly, collaborations followed from impromptu investigation
to plans for immersive, authentic paranormal experience. When the opportunity
arose to acquire the Warren Home and the Haunted Museum,
it was a culmination of the distinct journeys, a chance
to honor the past, push boundaries, and invite others into

(27:53):
the story. And I feel I think they were friends
before that. I don't know. I can't say that for sure.
I don't really know their history or anything, but.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I felt like we do know that feeling the paranormal
phase of tfil Well, Matt just showed up. Matt just
showed up.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And Megan was like, Dang, who's that guy?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Hey like showed up, was in some episodes, and then
he wasn't anymore, and then he like blew up as
a comedian.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, dude, I mean he's so famous it's ridiculous. So
technically he really Neither one of them need to do this, no,
So I mean that's why I say that there is
an actual love of the paranormal there. What they do
with it, I don't know, but they obviously do have
a fascination with it either way, agreed, Ed and Lorraine Warren,

(28:40):
world renowned paranormal investigators once lived in this modest Connecticut house.
Over decades, it became the focal point of their work,
containing artifacts from their most harrowing cases, haunted dolls, cursed objects,
and relics from infamous hauntings, and the museum nestled within
the home became both a sanctuary and a place of warning,
a trough love story and energies few dared to explore. Okay, now, look, yeah,

(29:05):
I know I said, love story says troph whatever. We're
going to talk about the acquisition of the home. We're
going to get into all this because I just I
feel like it's important to talk about it all and
I'm just I just find this very fascinating that this
is happening. You know what this is. This is this

(29:25):
year's Jacqueline US Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And I only bring that up because I read something
about Jacqueline Knows today, which I haven't I haven't even
thought about that, lady since last year.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
You need to fill me in after this.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm going too, I'm going to talk about it at
the end.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh my good.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now. Rumors had long swirled about the fate of the
Warren Home after the passing of the famed couple and
then of course Dan. Now, preservationists and paranormal enthusiasts alike
wondered who could rightfully carry on the legacy, and a
surpassing twist the torch has somehow passed about Rife and
Elton Cassty, which I still find very weird. Two figures

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more often associated with humor and online entertainment than with
the shadowy world of the supernatural. Now Matt Rife, known
for his quick wit and dynamic stage presence, and Alton Cassidy,
famed both for his comedic work and his daring explorations
of haunted places with the group DFIL saw the Warren
property not just as a business venture, but an opportunity

(30:22):
to connect with history and the unknown and to make
lots of money from YouTube videos in the no, yeah,
they're just gonna make a bunch of money.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Among the shadowed shelves and locked glass cases of the
Warren's Museum, there exists a notorious collection of artifacts, each
with its own chilling history, each a silent witness to
supernatural phenomena that the Warren spent their lives investigating. And
we're going to talk about some of these objects, Okay, okay.

(30:54):
I kind of just searched for more of the popular
one prevalents because there's so many things in that museum.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
We could We could spend a week recording every day
talking about each optic in there. But obviously the most
infamous item is, of course Annabel, the seemingly innocuous raggedy
ann doll whose legend has grown far beyond her faded
red yarn hair and stitch smile. And I have to say,
I really hate that the movie just didn't use a

(31:25):
raggedy hand.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
All agreed, because that's literally what she's.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
She's a raggedy had all the same doll that maybe
a lot of you younger girls never owned, but like
people in our forties, like your sister had one. I'm
sure I had one. It's gross. My sister had raggedy
and Andy.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Really yeah, I only had raggedy ann.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
According to the Warrens, Annabel was given to a nursing
student in the early nineteen seventies and quickly became the
epicenter of disturbing events, notes appearing and childlike handwriting, unexplained movements,
and physical attacks. Determining that the doll was being manipulated
by a malevolent spirit, the Warrens intervened, locking Annabel safely

(32:08):
behind a glass case marked with dire warnings. And supposedly,
you know, like what was it. He would like bless
it all the time, and it had like something like
Bible stuff on it, and he was supposed to help
keep it in. But I've seen it out of its
case a billion times. They took it to shows. I know,

(32:28):
oh people touched it.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know, man, Annabel is. And again, back when
we did our episode on the Warrens, there's no there
is no documentation that this nursing student and this whole
story ever even took place. This has never been you know,
confirmed to have happened. I do know that at one point,

(32:54):
do you remember there was like a like a male
like guy. There was like a male in the story
at some point, supposedly boyfriend or he had been tracked
down and he was a real person. But he never
came out and said anything. No, So like this is
what I'm saying about. Like why I feel how I
feel about the Warrens is because everything is just nothing's documented,

(33:16):
nothing is proven. Everything is a story.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
There's no solid proof to anything.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Nothing, there's nothing. It really bothers me. I know nearby
sits the Conjuring Mirror, an artifact reportedly use and attempts
to contact spirits. Unlike the tail spun in fiction, the
true mirror is a modest, unadorned object, yet countless visitors
have claimed to see flickers of movement, faces not their own,

(33:42):
or been assailed by sudden chills when standing before it.
And the Warrens believe the mirror had been used as
a portal, inadvertently inviting in something sinister. And you know what,
you want to know what the Warrens are? They the
old school version of demon caught on camera. Demons they are.
Everything is like a sinister force detected, a portal to hell,

(34:05):
a child's doll inhabited by the soul of a demon.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Oh you mean much like these for entertainment only videos
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean. The Warrens are the living embodiment of
for entertainment only now after. Another notable relic is the
Shadow Doll, an unsettling figure assembled from animal bones, feathers,
and fragments of fabric. Legend holds that the doll was
crafted as a tool for dark rituals. It was said

(34:37):
that if a photograph of the doll was given to
an intended victim, they would suffer terrifying nightmares and in
some cases never awaken. The Warrens, upon acquiring it, took
special care to contain its influence.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Now, no one's ever seen a picture of this thing.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's weird, but look you they live in Connecticut, Okay,
not far from where I'm originally from. There's a very
large Native American touch to that area. Yes, okay, this
could be could be an artifact of some sort, but
it could be something completely different than what they thought.
Or they literally could have just went out and grabbed

(35:15):
some roadkill and put this thing together and said, this
is the shadow doll.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Is there anybody out there that has a story of
actually being affected by said shadow doll? No, the answer
is no. No, The answer is no, There isn't unless
the warrants paid them to. But it's too late. Now
they're both dead and they can't make a movie out
of it. Also within the collection is the Satanic Idol,
a crude stone statue discovered deep in the Connecticut woods.

(35:42):
Again though, to think about what I just said. The
idol was reportedly the centerpiece of clandestine rituals and was
believed to attract negative energies and misfortune to anyone who
possessed it. Those who had previously own the idol recounted
bounts of bad luck, on explained illness, and feelings of
dread until the Warrens took the statue into their keeping.

(36:06):
So why didn't Warrens experience any of this?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Or you mean, like anybody who lives life, you have
that luck sometimes.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Right, I'm having a terrible year. Whoa, whoa. This is
a family podcast, family adjacent But you can't say that, Wow,
you know what you know what I just I I
need you to explain yourself. No, everybody, like my shirt.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Words are hard.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Apparently, in Megan's world, not the only thing that's hard. Anyways.
The museum's halls are filled with similar artifacts. All right,
let me read now. The museum's halls are filled with
similar artifacts. A haunted wedding dress that allegedly induces visions

(37:01):
in those who dare to try it on, cursed paintings,
ritual masks, and even an antique music box that once
played melodies for the ghostly children said to haunt a
colonial home. Each object comes with its own written dossier,
compiled by Ed and Lorraine Warren and continued by subsequent curators,

(37:22):
chronicling both the legendary and the verified encounters in these
quiet archives. The stories live on warnings to the curious,
invitations to the brave, and a testament statement to the
strange and shadowy world the Warrens sought to illuminate.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So I'm sorry. A music box that so many people
would have owned back in the day because it's a
music box it played for the ghosts of children.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh I guess I mean by that logic, couldn't any
music box be a music box that played for the
ghost children?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
You know, every music box in the world now has
apparently played for ghostly children.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's what I'm saying. So like, that's the majority of
what you get from the Warrens. And this is why
I don't believe them. Both Rife and Castiy had publicly
expressed a deep rooted interest and the mysterious and the unexplained.
For Elton, the acquisition fit naturally with his passion for
exploring haunted locations and sharing those experiences with a broad

(38:29):
audience of twelve year olds. Now, for Matt, it was
an opportunity to bridge his love of storytelling with real
life legends, offering fans a unique blend of entertainment and
genuine mystery. And the duo approached the purchase with reverence
for the Warren's legacy, and they made it clear that
their intent was not to exploit the home's reputation, but

(38:51):
to preserve its stories, educate visitors, and respect the energies within.
And I'm going to say this, when the Warrens owned it,
I know that there were times when people were allowed there,
but they were pretty lock and key, and I'm pretty
sure that they are going to open it up to visitors.
I like it. I think that's how it should be.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I just you're putting way too much faith in anything
in here being haunted. This is like saying, so you
don't think anybody should go to Zach Began's Hontic.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Museum, That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that unless they
maybe change the way that things are out because we've
seen inside the museum and.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But yeah, it's a warehouse.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
It looks like a warehouse. But there's also things like
out like an antique mall. If anyone's ever been to
one of those, we love them, but they're just kind
of like out and about. So I worry about like
preserving these.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh my gosh, we can go back to the antique mall.
The kids go back to school soon.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
They hated going it. We tried it. Yeah, they were like,
what is this place?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Maybe that's what we'll do as part of our next
day off the All right, never mind, But I do
see you're saying they probably will. I mean, I could
only imagine if they're going to have people coming in
and out of there. They're probably going to because I've
already heard that they're there's plans to do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, I'm help preserve.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But that's the difference in what I'm saying is that
at one point nobody was allowed in there. But I
think now they're gearing towards people being allowed in there.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think because we were talking about the warrants and
leaving a legacy like that legacy, whether you believe whatever
or not, it still needs to be protective, and so
do those items, you know what I mean. Yeah, and
that that's my only worry.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
All right, I guess for the history of it. Yeah, fine,
that's that's my only worry. I'm not really worried about
anybody being cursed or anything. Now, under their stewardship, the
Haunted Museum would continue to house its infamous collection, Annabel
the Doll, the Conjuring Mirror, and countless other artifacts. Rife
and Cassidy invested in restoration efforts, enhancing security and environmental

(40:59):
controls to protect the items and the home itself. There
you go now. Additionally, they sought to expand public access
in a responsible way, developing guided tours, educational content, and
special events, and their background and entertainment brought a fresh perspective,
making the museum more accessible without sacrificing the solemnity owned

(41:21):
to its history.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Solemnity, I solemnity.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know, but they're going to let people in there.
They're going to let people come and see this.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I think it's how I should have always been.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I love that, Like it's called a museum. You don't
have a museum and never let me.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, there was a time when they let people in.
It wasn't It was like it went through periods like
where people could go, then they couldn't, then they could go,
then they couldn't, and it kind of bounced back and forth.
I think they might have actually done it seasonally that
The announcement was met with a mixture of excitement and skepticism.

(42:02):
Some in the paranormal community worried that the homes legacy
would be diluted or turned into a spectacle. However, early
indications suggest that Rife and Castiy approached their new roles
with humility and curiosity. They consulted with spiritual advisors and
former museum staff to ensure that the home's protection and
protocols remained intact. The Warren Home, under its new owners

(42:26):
stands at the crossroads of past and future. Its haunted
halls continue to draw those seeking answers to life's greatest mysteries.
Matt Rife and Elton Caste, bringing together the worlds of
comedy and the occult, have become unlikely guardians dedicated to
preserving the stories, warning of the dangers, and inviting a

(42:46):
new generation to respectfully witness the museum's haunted legacy. As
the light flickers in the curator's office late at night,
one can only wonder what new tales will be added
to the Home's mysterious history, and who will be shaped
by its shadowy presence. In the end, the enduring power
of the Warren Home lies not only in its haunted

(43:07):
objects or storied past, but in the hands of those
who choose to honor its legacy. As Rife and Casty
lead it into a new era, the museum stands as
both sanctuary and stage, a place where old ghosts linger
and new curiosity thrives, and the chapters yet to be
written will depend on courage, reverence, and the willingness to

(43:31):
listen to the whispers that echo through its halls, ensuring
that the mysteries within continue to inspire, wonder, and awe
for generations to come if you believe in all of
it that is allegedly allegedly, And that's where we are
at at the moment. Now, this is what I wanted

(43:53):
to talk about. I read an article today that they
are also trying to buy the Conjuring House. Shut up,
that's not technically new. They tried to buy it last year. Okay, so,
but they could end up owning the Warren Home, the
Warren Museum, and the Conjuring House. And people are really

(44:15):
unhappy about this. I you know, all right, so I
don't really have we don't really haven't. Is it real?
We've already talked about this place. But let's let's do this.
What do you think of this? What is your opinion

(44:37):
about this? I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I have one at the moment. I'm like, it's super
all over the place. I feel like there's so many
different groups of people that are gonna have very strong
opinions either way, and I feel like it's gonna get
very messy. Oh wait, now for them, I say, go

(45:00):
live your dream, Like, if that's what you want to do,
and that's what you want to spend your money on
and put your investment into, show people this kind of history,
and like we were saying, like it's a legacy. As
long as they protect it, I say, go for it.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It is most definitely a legacy. Whether you believe in
it or not. The stories that have been told there
are going to be passed down from generation to generation.
I don't think anymore. It's about in my opinion, it's
not about what's actually haunted there. It's about it's a
place now that inspires younger people or maybe even some

(45:40):
older people who never really had a second thought about it,
to be curious and to go out into the world
and see it. Now. Are you done with your statement? Yeah, okay,
So here's what I want to say. Now. I've watched
a lot of people talk about this, and a lot
of people are very unhappy about it, and I've literally
heard people say that this is going to ruin the
pair or normal. I disagree. I'm actually a big fan

(46:02):
of this. I think this is a good thing because
most of us have already come to the conclusion that
the Warren Museum, while legendary, is it's a It's a story.
Nothing's real there. It's just a story. So I think
that two guys, whether they make fake content or not,
are going to usher in a new crowd of people,

(46:23):
a younger generation that will come in be inspired and
get motivated to go out and seek the truth for
themselves that maybe would have never never wanted to even
go there. Yeah, I think I think this is a
good thing, and I know that a lot of people
are not going to agree with me, but I would
rather see it used in this fashion rather than you know,

(46:46):
just adding crap into a big house that nobody's allowed
to go into and just making movies about it. But
this will, obviously, I do think that this will create
more movies along the way because if they own the house,
they own the rights. I'm not actually sure how all
that works, but they'll be able to pivot from not
being able to have the Warren rights but now they're

(47:06):
going to have the right. You know, they can sell
their rights they own the property to be like, yeah,
we can make movies about the property or whatever. But
I think it's a good thing. I do, and I
understand why people are upset. I get it, but I
just think everybody's looking at it the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I feel like where positivity should be put into this,
if not for the allegeds that are in that place.
But like, like we keep saying, the legacy, like the
Warrens did so so much for the paranormal, so much,
they brought it to light. They like inspired people to

(47:43):
go out and do this on their own. And now
we're out where we're at today, and it's huge, it's big,
it's and I feel like without them, we wouldn't have
like we do today.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Everybody in the modern day would be able to track
their love of the paranormal back to the Warrens because
everybody was in some way or another inspired by them.
So maybe not you, but maybe not the person that
you watched, but maybe the person before them they watched
or you know they knew about or interacted with. So
I believe that in the modern age, everybody in some

(48:16):
way has been inspired by the Warrens, whether you know
it or not. There's a legacy, no doubt. I don't
believe in any of the stuff that they've said, but
it doesn't matter because it's what they it's beyond that,
what they created. I would never I will never go
back on this and be like all the warns are real,
it's just never gonna happen. But I respect what they've

(48:38):
done and I think that everybody upset about this, take
a minute think about it, and if you really think
about it, we're gonna get now because of this. The
paranormal is not going to die off as we age.
It's gonna now Younger kids are going because that's the
majority of who watches their videos. Younger kids are now

(48:58):
going to become interested in it because they own it,
and they're not talking about like pimping this house out,
you know, they're talking about keeping it the way it is,
you know, renovating it to put things in place so
they're not broken, and letting people come see and having
stories and stuff. And if it's anything like Zach Megan's museum,
I doubt they're going to be the ones they're going around.
They're gonna have curators and stuff that walk people through,

(49:21):
and they have stories and and I do think they
should allow overnight investigations because if you want to prove
that this place is real, do them, do them. Yeah,
I still say tours, But Okay, if I had the
money to buy this house and people wanted to pay
to come investigate overnight, pay me.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
That's fair. As the owner.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
It's a lot. There's a lot of money to be
made there. I wonder if they're going to actually live
in the house, do not charge you know, I would say,
it's okay, hold on, hold on. It is ridiculous. It
is ridiculous. But at least that's the Conjuring House. At

(50:07):
least it has the name right. What bothers me is
like when Sam and Colby bought the Ferrar School, a
place that just became known within the last couple of years.
That's what I do agree, though, I think the Conjuring
House price is a wig gone off the deep end.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I feel like you would get more people in if
it were cheaper. You're going to turn a lot of
people away by having a three thousand dollars one night, like.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
What, But it's ridiculous. If you make it more affordable,
who are you inviting in?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
This is true too.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I mean there has to be a balance, There has
to be a balance. But Conjuring House can at least
charge off of their name. It's the Conjuring House. The
Ferrar School, on the other hand, was so new that
why they were going off of their name, not the
location name. So but I really I have high hopes
I'm going to choose to believe that this is a

(50:58):
good thing. That's that's where I stand on this, and
I think other people should really just think, just think
about it. Just think about what we're saying here. You know,
this house could ended up getting demolished, that things could
have ended up getting dispersed out to random whoever wanted
to buy them. They probably would have all went to
Zach Bagan's.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Honestly, probably he would have been like, give me the
whole lot.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, when the first when all this happened and Dan
Rivera passed away, I thought for sure that's who was
going to end up with all this, because he has
the money.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I'm super glad it ended up with who had ended
up put.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I mean, you don't think that's where Annabel would ended at.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
That's exactly where she would have been.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But well, we'll see, you know, if anything else happens
and they buy the Conjuring House, we will probably come
back and discuss it. I don't know if it'll be
a whole podcast episode, but we'll probably do live video
about it or something, or a video in general. But
this is very interesting, and man, what a what a
shift in the paranormal world here lately. But where can
they find us. We don't really do anything, but where

(51:57):
can they find us?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, they can find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok x.
Still is that what they're I mean, we're on there.
I don't know. We're on all the things for the Booze,
some for the Booze Underscore podcast, but you can find
us anywhere.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's automatic uploaded on x so if you ever like,
if you follow us on there every Monday, it automatically
puts out the link to the new episode, so if
you need to find it that way. Yeah, and if
you I've been thinking if if any if any of
the viewers that have any paranormal stuff or that you know,
they would like to come on the show here and
talk about it. I'd love to have anybody on. We

(52:31):
can totally phone you in or video you in, you know,
reach out to us at for the Boost twelve at
gmail dot com. Also, if you have listener stories, you know,
we're always going to be open to.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
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Speaker 2 (52:43):
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So if you want extra content or just be I
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Speaker 1 (53:04):
Sometimes it is enjoying a beautiful little Patreon family.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
But I think we're gonna this is it. I think
we're gonna get out of here. What do you say.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I think that sounds good.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Take us out.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Well, thank you everybody so much for listening, and we
will see you in the next one.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
By by allegedly thank me