For The Fan EP 158: 2025 AFC East Preview

The divisional tour continues as the gang heads into the AFC East to discuss the New England Patriots, New York Jets, Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills.
-Vrabel returns, can he bring back winning ways to Pats?
-31 years after being drafted Aaron Glenn becomes HC of the team he was drafted to.
-Can the Dolphins bounce back from a horrific 2024?
-Will Buffalo finally beat out Chiefs as AFCs best team?



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If there's one thing I hate, it's that intro. I
missed the old one. I didn't like the jungle vibe
of that.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It just didn't work with me. It did not.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's not the same it is. The old one was
so elite.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
But you know what, it is the same. It's us.
We are for the fan. This is episode number one
fifty eight. As always, I am Will and we got Domin,
got Jake here, gentlemen, Hello so and as always, you
can follow us on the platforms down below. YouTube for
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the fan Underscore, and Instagram for the fan football. Gentlemen,

(00:34):
we have already surpassed one week and we already got
a lot of shit for what we said about the
AFC North, which is good, no way, yeah oh yeah.
On YouTube, yeah, I think on YouTube, Ravens just few,
we're going up.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I didn't say anything wrong with the Ravens.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
The Ravens were a big target last year too. On
on the YouTube.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Sure it was all positive about them.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I thought so too.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Last year was the Packers. But we'll end up getting
to them.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, well guess what they were bums.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
So but today a FC East, the Patriots, the Jets,
the Dolphins, and the Bills are all on tap. Here
any expectations, excitement, Dom, it's our team. It's our teams
this week.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I was gonna sit back and talk ship.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, I don't know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Do you ever know anything? I think that's your should
go to thing. I don't know, you ever know anything.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
That's usually I mean to be fair.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
That's how I've treated the Patriots over the past couple
of years.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, this is why I say yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Brian Bulaga, IOWA, all right, you are listening to for
the fan. You are listening to for the fan.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
So in these previews, we start out with the loser
and Division a K the last team, and we work
our way to the division winner, which is usually.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Last team we talked about for these episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
So without further ado, we're gonna just go right in here,
Rod Dogging, no, no, no anything.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
We're gonna go right in talk about the.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
New England Patriots, where a year ago it began the
post Bill Belichick era of New England Patriot football, who
everyone thought was never gonna die. It was just gonna
be Belichick till the end of the world. And you
know that stuff, the twinkies, Belichick, the cockroaches, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
They're just gonna survive till the end. Well, they move on.
They bring in Gird Mayo, well the air to the.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Hierarchy of the Belichick throne, and they go out Week
one they upset the Bengals, which honestly changed the path
of two franchise is for the rest of the season. Patriots,
they didn't really play up the expectations, but Drake may
did come out and he did ball out, and he
showed a lot of hope for the Patriots, which they
had at mac Jones, who they drafted a couple of
years back. So for year number two, drawd Mayo and

(03:14):
a new head coach, one who has some Super Bowl
expertise with him. There, let's go to the next slight here,
Mike Rabel is now the head coach in the New
England Patriots, uh, which is wild. But looking at the
offense here, Drake may quarterback one. UH. And then you
have the pastor not from a couple of years back,

(03:35):
Joshua Dobbs. He returns as the backup for New England.
They drafted a Travon Henderson in the second round. They
revamped this receiving corps which was really in a lackluster mood,
well lackluster mode, I should say, Stefan Diggs. They bring
in who's coming off an a cl injury, Matt Collins, who,
if you don't know me, walks around barefoot everywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's what he does best.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And then they revamped the offensive line where Drake May
was sacked thirty five times in eleven games last year.
So they bring in Morgan Moses from the Jets, Garrett
Bradberry they take up from the Vikings, and they draft
Will Campbell to be the anchor of the offensive line
Drake May's blindside with the number four overall pick.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
In this year's draft.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I'm gonna bring us out here in gentlemen, What do
you guys think about the revampedness of the Patriots?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Very Mike Rabey. It looks very Mike Rabel.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
They think they had a really great offseason.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I just think it's funny because last week we went
over all these teams through these depth charts, and you
didn't see that many of these green names, which is
undrafted free agents, and it is although Belichick is not there.
It is very Patriots to have this many undrafted free
agents on here, so I thought that was kind of funny.

(04:54):
But I really enjoy actually what we've done with the
offensive line. I like these, especially since we talked Bengals
last week and I wasn't the most you know, anxious
about the moves that the Bengals didn't on the offensive line.
I do like these moves in free agency that we've made,

(05:15):
uh with these offensive linemen. Morgan, Moses, Garrett, Bradberry, obviously
Will Campbell was what third round.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Or third overall, fourth overall.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
I don't think mccollins is just like I know, that's
what the depth chart has him at is like up here,
like he's like a you know, one of our three
receivers main guys, But I don't think that would be
the case.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Whatever that's depth.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I don't mind this receiving corps, really don't. We'll see
how Stefon Diggs goes, because.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I really really.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Really think he's getting into that era of so talented receiver,
does the things, but also you know, has all the
drama off the field now that he's dating car to
b and that's all I see on social media that
has to do with him.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So you know, we'll no nothing, nothing like boats and
all that stuff being talked about, you know, locker room leader.
Then boom, just a video view on a boat, something
in a bag. I don't really want to comment too
much further on this, but I think some of the
other big surprises here though Jalen Polk kind of slid
down the depth chart here with Javon Baker. Obviously that
was not that was Drod Mayo's draft picks. This is

(06:31):
Mike Rabel's team, so they're gonna be shifted outwards and
maybe find some replacements along the line, which obviously they
did in the free agency section for receiving core, which
Drake may needs if he wants to succeed. And also
we have to mention Hunter, Henry Baller, Austin Hooper Baller.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
I mean, the options are here, the options for him
to throw to, they're there. This is a competent wide
receiver room, a very competent wide receiver room. And now
Stefan Diggs, who could arguably be a Number one on
an NFL roster still I think at least still has
a talent too, you know, So it's it's the options

(07:17):
are there. The running game should very well be there.
It's it's a competent offense. It's the most competent offense
that they've seen since Brady. I think, so we'll see.
I mean, I expect improvement on this offense. I expect
a legitimate.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Improvement on the offense.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
I don't think it's gonna be like some top ten offense,
but I expect I expect competition for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Let's head over to the defensive side of the football,
where there is a whole lot of new attractions, a
whole lot of new pieces here for the Patriots. They
went out and they spent big a free agency. That's
not a Patriots move. This is a once in a
lifetime thing. Only happened four years ago, so it really
feels like a lifetime since then, they get Milton Williams

(08:06):
on a gigantic contract, They get Carlton Davis how to
Detroit bring him in to be a complimentary piece of
Christian Gonzalez on the other side of the ball, Robert Splain,
Kveon Chancey, both linebackers from the Raiders a year ago,
and then Vrabel brings in his guys Harold Landry, Jack Gibbons,
two former Titans players who make their way upwards to Foxborough.

(08:31):
But this defense here to play, and this is a
very big and this I have no other words, but
this is a Mike Rabel defense. To say the least, I.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Kind of like it.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I mean, the guys that were good are still there
from last year for the most part. I really don't
mind Carlton Davis, the Milton Williams thing. Yeah, it's a
really gigantic contract. So there is that, and we'll see
how that goes. I certainly they.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Did outpace they did outpace uh the Panthers. Though with
that contract. They did give him a couple extra million dollars.
He was gonna be a Carolina Panther until the eleventh hour.
We're able just gave him a blank check and said
come up here.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yeah, the contracts, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's big. It's definitely big.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's a big doom.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
If we're gonna like lean on him a little bit, sure,
but like, well, I don't know it. Here's the thing is,
I do trust Rabel, and I think a majority of
us do, so I hope it works out that. I'm optimistic,
but you know, we'll see it needs to be proven

(09:46):
a little bit, but yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Just this front seven is like really good. This is
just smash mouth football. They're gonna, you know, bring you
pressure right up the gut here every single time, no
fans or butts about it.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
I really want to see what the rookies do because
I think they had a really good draft between offense
and defense. Will Campbell all that said about his arms,
but like two of the guys who I thought were
bigger steals the draft and Farmer and Swinton, and they
got both of them Swinston, and it just keeps his
you know, keeps a lit on his attitude, all the

(10:27):
athletic stuffs there.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, I mean I and Rabel uses a lot of
the guys, So we'll see.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah, if he went to any other team besides like
Mike Rabel and when like Dan Campbell, I think you'd
be a bust. But those guys, you know, you trust
them to keep guys in line.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I don't mind this.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
I think really ultimately, what looking at this depth chart
shows us and keeping Rabel in mind, I really think
it just says that this should be an improved team
and at least a very much more competitive team. I'm

(11:09):
not thinking like, oh, hey, man, playoffs in the sites,
but I think we should be able to compete for playoffs.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think I think in this division. I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what the bills are, but you.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Know, I think that we can compete in games now
for a majority of the season.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
And I'm okay with that. I'm happy about that.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
His only bad season with the Titans was his last season,
and then he ended up getting fired after, which was
a complete bad move there by the Tennessee organization.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
That it was like their management, you know, finally like
continuing to trip over themselves over and over and over. Yeah,
trading AJ and then immediately firing the guy, and the
that guy comes in and makes all these mistakes and.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Then they fired him, you know, a year after firing variable.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Like that final thing where it's like, Okay, we just
ruined this whole franchise.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Spow it up.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Let's go to the schedule here, big Week one matchup
there against the Raiders. Tom Brady comes to town. I
don't know if they're honoring him or anything like that,
but we already have.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Oh yeah, they've honored him so many times.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
But yes, Raiders a big one week one really highlighting
everything else.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That three game road startch is gonna be difficult.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
But concluding that in Tennessee, frabele might have some choice
things to say, and there'll be football regulated terms, not
a not anything else on those other terms.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
But yeah, one Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think it's against the Jets there on week number eleven.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So yeah, I got I.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Got nothing else to say on the schedule. But let's
kind of pull out here for a second.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
You know, all of our quick overviews counting wins, I
got seven right off the bat, like pretty can pretty easy,
not stretch wins, not in a row.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Tell you what if we needed that last game, it
being at home in January against the Dolphins is kind
of nice.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
That wasn't even including that one. I just got to
like the bye week, and I'm like.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Oh, they gave us that one because we have we
play away in September with versus Dolphins. Cool, like it'll
be hot, Like it'll be hot anyway, it'll be hot.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
You probably lose because it's thousand degrees.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Like a billion percent. But giving us the home game
in January, it is kind of.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Nice, you'll be playing their third stringers.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, no matter what happens.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I got sex wins here, a lot of trips to Florida.
You get the Dolphins early, and then you have the
Buccaneers in November. At least you get like two warm games.
I mean also playing in Buffalo too pretty early is
a benefit for them as well.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I don't really think else the timing of that matters.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think they probably there.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean I think I would rather face them in September, October,
November rather than December, because that's when they're just the
most powerful.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Did we beat them in that game where we passed
like twice? Uh yeah, yeah, So I mean, like I'm
not that worried.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I mean that was also Belichick saying I'm gonna be
the Army coach, gonna be the Navy coach triple option
every play.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah. Well, I mean their win was like six thousand
miles an hour.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Uh yeah, I mean this is again, this is exactly
what I was saying, you know whatever. Honestly, somewhere in
the in the seven eight range of.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I wouldn't be surprised to even get nine.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Because Rabel in his first year with the tight ends
I mean, he almost got him to the playoffs. He
came down to that Week seventeen game against the Colts,
which you know, Andrew Luck and the Colts ended up
prevailing in it. But they looked really good in that game,
and that was with Marcus mariotat quarterback. So I wouldn't
be surprised that they could even sneak out a ninth win.
But I think six is there. It just kind of depends, like, Okay,

(15:02):
how's the rest of the schedule gonna be going down?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Laying out?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
I'm not It's like I said, improvement. I think this
is an improved and more competitive team than last year.
And I don't know what more you could kind of
expect or hope for. So we did what we could.
You know, ground groundwork is laid variable as a good coach,
there's a future to the team, hopefully, and that's all

(15:30):
you can really wish for.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think, to be honest, it's.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Got to be building off of those last three seasons
of uh there.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Hold on, throw the schedule back up there. Sorry to
cut you off. I noticed something.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Does that say? Week eleven Jets and Patriots night game?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah? Thursday night football?

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Oh my oh, my god, yep.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Listen Amazon one.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Amazon's got to have one bad Thursday night football game.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, just one? No, No, they have a pretty good
schedule this year, they really do.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
They have a pretty quality schedule. I'm a little surprised here.
But let's get the question out of the way too.
What will make this season successful for the New England
Patriots in twenty twenty five. It's keeping Drake May upright
so you can actually see what he can do.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, he was sacked way too many times.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It was what thirty five thirty four times for two
hundred and twenty nine yards with six loss fumbles.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
That part not that's not good.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
You gotta keep them up right so you can actually
play the position of quarterback.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I mean again, if you do that, I think the
team improves. And like we said, I think success this
year is being a competitive team, being playoff fringe or
at least kind of being in the hunt to the
end of the season. I think would be a success.
I would call that success. I'd be happy about that.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
I mean also, if you just see like the if
you see an obvious Rabel attitude shift, yeah, that'd be
a pretty solid win.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
In the You know for them.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
That in a stable Drake may year not like all
the team sucks, but Drake's kind of playing okay and
good here and there like, but we got nothing to
lose whatever, Like I need a stable year, improvement was
made compete in games in the Hunt, maybe even the

(17:19):
back end of the Hunt by the end of the season,
but like in at least being competitive.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I really want to see what Stefan Diggs can do
coming off the acl because who knows if he's going
to play week one. Obviously, you know he probably got
surgery like mid November and he tore it like mid October.
They kind of give him a couple of weeks to
really work out the legs, try to get as strong
as you can before going under the knife.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
So I think that's also another thing to look out for.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
It is you're right, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Shall we move on? Shall we go down I ninety
five here and go to the armpit of America? Here
the MetLife of itself? The New York Jets were in
twenty twenty four where they.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Had a lot of high hopes Aaron Rodgers coming off
the Achilles tear. They had to keep him up break
they acquire a bunch of players, including Hall of Famer
Tyron Smith. Looked pretty good through the first couple of
weeks two and one, and then the wheels fell off
the wagon and a bad loss to the Broncos followed
by another bad loss to the Vikings in the UK.
Sally gets fired, Rogers goes off about the red line.

(18:24):
DeVante Adams comes in at one point, Woody Johnson's kids
making trades for the team, Joe Douglas gets fired, and
then well, yeah, it kind of all falls apart, But
there is some good parts for this team. Pictured right
there the new highest paid corner in the league, Sauce Gardner,
who just signed the deal just the other day thirty

(18:46):
point one million dollars on average. So there is some
bright spots here for the New York Jets. As we
move forward in the post Aaron Rodgers experiment, and now
thirty one years later, Aaron Glenn returns and he's a
first time head coach here for the New York Jets
with Darren Mogi Mowgli Mogi something like that to lead

(19:08):
this team in a maybe different direction on the offense here,
Aaron Rodgers moves on. Justin Fields comes in who did
play really good for four games that he did start
for the Steelers last season. Tyrod Taylor is still the
backup quarterback. They really they try to solidify the rest
of this offensive line, drafting Membu out of Missoo. This

(19:29):
offensive line looks as good as it's ever been, probably
in the last sixteen years. You got to go back
all the way to two thousand and nine, twenty ten.
Jason Taylor's kid, he's the tight end for the New
York Jets, Mason Taylor. They also revamped the receiving corps here,
Josh Reynolds and Tyler Johnson for the receiving corp there,

(19:50):
I got a whole lot of nothing else. I kind
of want to give a lot of credit there for
the offensive line because on paper, it could be really,
really good, and they haven't had that since the era
of d Brikashaw, Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Alfanica, Brian Moore, Damian Woody,
which was a.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Stellar offensive line.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
So if they could probably live up just underneath them,
they could be keeping this potential triple optional live with
this backfield including Breise Hall, Andrew Beck, Braylon Allen, Isaiah Davison,
also Donovan Edwards. Can Donovan Edwards make the team really
fell out of the sights of everyone last year.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
But that is my discussion of this offense.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
That's really all you got.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's really all I got.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean, I don't got anything. This is an Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, listen, I was a lot more excited for.
But listen, you bring in Justin fieldsy you look at
how this whole thing works. Rogers got Davonte Adams and
it looked like nothing changed. They looked like they played
with each other for a decade and they were separated
for three years. Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson rejoined after

(20:55):
being a part for four years ever since Ohio State.
So they played together two years twenty nineteen and twenty twenty,
which they ended up winning a national championship in So.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It looks like it's on the up there for the Jets.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Maybe that's what Fields needs, just a guy that he
really knows personally and he could throw them the ball
and he knows that his guy's gonna go out and
make the catch.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Breeze had a good game, a good year last year, right.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think it was just short of a thousand yards
he was dealing with some new stuff, So you know,
I don't know, he didn't play upwards to what he
did in twenty twenty three, but he you know, I
think it was a couple of yard chore of a thousand,
but Garrett broke a thousand yards for like the third
straight season.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
See as much as I like like Garrett Wilson and
Bristol Braylen Allen, and you know, I liked Mason Taylor
before the draft.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's like, I just can't.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
I cannot get excited for like more than eight wins
for a Justin Fields team.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'm gonna be honest with you, how many ones do
the Jets have last season?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Five?

Speaker 5 (22:02):
It can't be Yeah, Rogers through twenty eight touchdowns, Like,
it's not like it was just.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
This court listen once the once they fired the coach,
it was just over there because what's his face was
in a he didn't give up defensive play calling just
to be the interim guy as the interim head coach,
So he was trying to take on two jobs at once,
And if you're not really trained for that, then it's
kind of a you're in for a bad time.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I thought you should pizza when you French fry.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I have a hard time genuinely justifying that this offense
puts up twenty eight passing touchdowns that.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
That I think it could put up twenty eight touchdowns. Okay,
they might be rushing touchdowns, but I don't think it's
gonna be twenty eight passing touchdown.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's gonna be a.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I just have a hard time saying that this is
a better offense than last year.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
I just see, here's the thing, is like, because like
because of Justin Fields, Like, he's never won more than
five games, and he's had full years starting, and he's
had these stretches where he looks good and these stretches
where he looks just like, how are you in the NFL?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
It's like, which one are we gonna get?

Speaker 6 (23:10):
And I'm not gonna I'm not doing this whole thing
with this division anymore.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
I'm just gonna assume you're all bad.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
I really feel like this is such a bridge year
year bridge year for the Jets.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, like you said, the offensive line is there.
I think run games should be great.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Run great games should be fantastic, And if Breese is
one hundred percent healthy and good and back.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
To what we saw like two years ago.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
It should be he should be putting up fifteen hundred
yards and be rushing for ten or so touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
That should be awesome.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
But I don't know how competitive the offense is going
to be if they're behind, if they need to pass
so much.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Justin Fields had.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Great stretches, like really great stretches, and I think you
have the threat of him rushing and scrambling as well,
and he did a decent job with that.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
For Chicago. I just I don't know. I feel like
this is such a bridge year where the.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Offense is potentially like again, I really have a hard time.
First of all, it Aaron Rodgers threw twenty eight touchdowns
last year and it felt like they were shit.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I don't curse on here.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Because it wasn't like Rogers did as much as he could,
but like, once you get rid of the head coach
and all that stuff, like the team was just going
to implode right from there.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I don't think that the talent that was their last
year is here this year, at least in the passing game.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
I really have a hard time saying that it's improvement
from last year. But I think it's better set up
for our future plugging a few good guys, especially that
passing offense and the rushing offense should be so established
from this year to next, so we'll see. I mean,

(24:58):
it's kind of where I sit with the Patriots, where
it's like, all right, some groundwork may be laid, but
I don't think this is like, Hey, playoffs are in
the sites, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh, and here's the best part about the Fields contract. Okay,
it's a two year deal. Most of it's guaranteed in
just year one. If he plays like shit, I mean, hey,
you could be in the area to draft a quarterback
and you just you know, chop them off and have
very minimal dead money. So that's like the only good
part about his contract. But if he plays good, then
you're kind of screwing yourself because it's like, Okay, now

(25:28):
he's gonna want to get paid.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You know something for what he's done.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Well, you know what's gonna happen, Right, Fields has a
field year or he's not good.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
You guys are in a position to draft a quarterback
and Arch stays in school.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Hey, hasn't happened, not the first time since you know,
a manning brother Manning. Person with the last name of
Manning wanted to evade the Jets. It'll be like thirty
I think it's like thirty years.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Was it.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
They had the first pick of ninety six he evaded them, Yeah,
thirty years. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
I again, like you said, that contract's set up to
be a bridge thing.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Like it's like if.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
He's if he plays good, then hey, all to it.
Then hey you can get him to an extension, maybe
see a little bit more out of him. But if
it's not, then hey, you just act them and you know,
cut your ties and you know, try to find the
next guy.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Obviously, first first time head coach, first time GM, trying
to just go through the waters. But listen, hey, when
team sunds a full back in the offseason, like Andrew Beck,
I mean, you're gonna be You're gonna be running that ball.
This is gonna be probably be you know up there.
If they can succeed on offense, probably a top ten
rushing team in this league.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I think that's gonna be very established, especially after the season,
and I think it's a bridge year for the passing
offense and maybe next year you can plug some dudes
in and have a very complete offense. We'll see historically
the pattern goes for a New York football franchise.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Sh sh chit, chit shit.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
But uh, you know it's set up and that's what
matters right now, that's as much as you could do.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Let's let's head over to the defensive side of the
ball where uh they did make some moves.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Andre Cisco.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
He returns to New Jersey where he grew up in
his youthful years. Brandon Stevens a lot, maybe an overpaid contract,
but if he plays good, it's gonna be really.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It will be a very valuable contract.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Thomas from Florida State was a big steal for the
Jets in the third round. Derek Nandi they stole from
the Chiefs. But you still have the key guys there.
Will McDonald had a very good year for year number two.
Jermaine Johnson unfortunately tore the Achilles in very early into
the campaign.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Last year.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
They were missing a edge guy, Quincy Williams. He returns
for another year.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Moseley I think ended up retiring, so very big shoes
to fill for Jermaine Sherwood, who has a lot of.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Hype behind him. Especially with this coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
But yeah, Dj Reid he goes to Detroit to replace
Carlson Davis who went to the Patriots. So it's just
a big send off rotation of people going around the northeast.
But yeah, what do we what are we thinking with
this one?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (28:20):
I mean when it comes to the Jets, I always
trust their defense will be good enough.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
If that makes sense. Yeah, it's just like it's what
happens first is brand Stevens make more money or have
more holding penalty yards.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I might get more cooked yards. I'll put it on
the cooked.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
Like oh man, Like, it's just the Jets are the Jets,
and they just keep doing the same Jets things.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's just like I don't want to I don't want
to be.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Mean, but the goddamn Jets.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
But like, how have you guys not seen the same
It's like the Bears.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
And listen, it's listen, this stadium is built on an
Indian burial ground.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm gonna say it until I die, Okay, Like this
is just that's just this team.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
Like let's just keep listing things over and over expecting
different results. It's like the Bears. It's like they do
they do all the hiring and firing and the wrong cycle.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
The Jets.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
It's like, have a defense that's too good to make
your team bad enough to get a quarterback, and then
you put weapons on and still never have a quarterback.
And then when you draft, you draft, when you draft
the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Or you trade away the one because you know one
of your best friends is a CEO of a airplane
company and you want to get his boy drafted pretty
high in the draft. I I'm not pointing fingers or anything. Okay,
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
I'm just trying to poke Will until he like snaps
and just lose it right now and listen.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm like, I think this defense could be really good.
I don't think it's the middle of the road. I
think it's like a higher middle, if that makes sense.
I think it could be around like a twelve or
eleven right defense, It's.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Like they're gonna be good enough to win too many games.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Or they could still be good enough to run the football,
which they probably will have to do with this team somehow,
some way.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
It's you guys had a great defense last year too.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Know the defense was good, but it did fall apart
after Salag got fired. And the guy that they had
filling in his interim was trying to you know, he
was spread thin.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Between what he was doing.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
So yeah, like I fully expect Aaron Glenn to bring
it back to what it was.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I think Aaron Aaron Glenn is a parcel guy.
When the Jets were hiring a guy, Bill Parcell said
you should go and interview Aaron Glenn, which was one
of his guys when he was the Jets head coach
back in the mid to late nineties.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
So I think it'll be a competent defense that'll compete.
It'll do you know, it's I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
He could bring in some winning ways from the maybe
something that Dan Campbell taught him, you know, gnawing off
a femur and a shin bone could.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Be a tough defense. They really could like that.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Yeah, I love the angry defensive Mine and coach love it.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Fangio Campbell.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Like just the old curmudgeons that are angry and aggressive.
Like again, Slah was one of those guys. He was
scary when he was on the Niners.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean he's gonna be scary again on the
Niners this season. But this is their schedule big. Those
first three weeks are going to be absolutely brutal for
the Jets, having to play Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers,
and then you play the Bills at home, which they
play really good against, and then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
which I don't even know the last name they won

(31:46):
in Tampa. I think it's like two thousand and nine.
So having to go back to back in Florida is
gonna be pretty rough. Three home game, stamp, but the
middle game is in London, so you gotta go away
to come back home. The last time they won in Cincinnati.
Think that's another two thousand and nine. You know, I'm
gonna just put just stamp it. I think this is

(32:08):
a six win team, and I think it could shift
three wins in either side.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
That's not that's not awful.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I say six wins, maybe it could go up to nine,
or it could go down the three. That's like six,
middle of the road.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
So we didn't say this a second ago when we
were talking Patriots. But remember when I had that that
website up that said that kind of said the wins,
losses and odds and stuff based on sports betting books
and all that stuff, Right, Okay, so I'll say the
Jets first, and then we'll regroup with the Patriots for

(32:49):
a second. But the Jets, like you said, six wins,
they're projected six point one wins.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
That's I mean right on part with what you said.
Uh and I thirteen percent.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
At playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
So you're telling me there's a chance.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
That there is a point one percent to make to
win the super Bowl. So you got that going.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
There's a chance. I'm getting gas. That's so much right now.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
You're gonna put the bet slip in today.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
That is that is the worst percent chance for the
Super Bowl, Tiger.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
There's no team with zero It just like a zero zero.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
There's never yet. The team hasn't started yet.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You're telling me the Browns have a better chance.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
No tie chance. They have the same chance.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
The Colts have the same ch Odds too.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Colts.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
No, the Colts, No, not even a little bit. Actually,
Colts are twenty fifth. Yeah they got like what point
six point seven?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You were close? That was good Jesus.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
But yeah, I think this is a six win team.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, well that seems to be what the consensus is. Yeah,
I mean, that's it's about right. Tell you what they
give the Patriots a lot of credit on here. They
have the Patriots at eight point two wins, which isn't
exactly off from what we said, and a thirty thirty

(34:17):
six and a half percent chance at playoffs, which is.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Decent. I would say a little bit.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Generous, but okay, I mean I'll take it. I guess
I don't know if I agree, but I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
So that's cool. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Let's ask the question what will make this season successful
for the New York Jets not crashing and burning?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Do you guys want to win games or do you
guys want a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Both core correct?

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Like, I really think it's like a set of it's
a bridge here, it's it's gotta be a bridge yere.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
This is no way.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
This is like where they get stuck in the Steelers purgatory?
Which direct you want to go? And here's where you
pick it right now? Do you crash and burn this year?
Or do you screw yourselves again?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And the Jets will probably end up screwing themselves again, Like.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Either you start building some building block wins or your
bottom out.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I think a competitive defense, like the defense we kind
of expect from Glenn.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think if you have the nay.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Steve Wilks as the defensive coordinator, so he comes in, yeah,
as that mentor.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Guy from those guys, the kind of what this team's
defense has been over the last few years and whatnot,
you get that defense.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I think you're happy defensively.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Offense, just establish the hell out of a sick run game,
and then you can figure out the passing over the
offseason next year, like or it works out great this year.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Who knows, but that'd be that'd be ideal as hell.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
But you know, if all you have to figure out
next year is what to do with your past game,
I think this is a successful season, truly, if that's
all that. If you come out of this season feel
great about the team, just gotta plug some things in
on the past game.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
That's not bad. I don't think that's bad. What do
you do? What would be success for you? Will?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't even know what the term success is with
the Jets. I mean, come on, I was in middle
school the last time that made the playoffs. Okay, geez,
that's middle school and I'm getting married, Like, what the hell, Like,
that's been so long.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I don't even know what success is with this team.
I got Fantasy football rings up there. What is success?
I enjoy talking about all thirty one other teams. You
think I'm gonna have fun talking about the Jets? Come on, oh,
last year I was.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I was genuinely concerned for your well being.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, getting married back to back Fantasy championship.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
You have so much more success than they do.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Look I have Bappel. That's that's my success.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Right here is Bappel. That's that's success in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
And that's only limited success.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Jets have to just be Bappele. Okay, just try to
be a Golden scar from Fortnite.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay, how about that? There you go, all right, I
have enough of the Jets. Let's take our talents to
South Beach. Here where the Dolphins in twenty twenty three,
solid playoffs. They're trying to replicate success with a really
good scoring offense in twenty twenty three, and their season
really just started off on the wrong foot, especially right

(37:36):
before Week one where Tyreek Hill was detained and taken
out of his car by police, which ended up hurting
his wrist, affecting him for the entire year.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
We two saw Tuoa have.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
An unfortunate another concussion which held him out for a
lot of games. Quarterback play was just terrible from everyone else,
Tim Boyle, Skylar Thompson, Snowpuntley, the pro bowler, Snowpuntley, might
I add everything was just gone of going up in flames.
Eight and nine was their end record to what ended
up sitting out for the rest of the season due

(38:07):
to a hip injury. So Snoop Huntley, uh was that
book and the Dolphins get on back on track. Here
as a seat there in Miami's warming up and it's
not the weather we all know. We all know McDaniel
likes is. Uh, he's not afraid of the cold. But
his seat's getting hot here for Miami.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
So these next two teams, I'm gonna have some fun. Yeah,
I'm over the Dolphins.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
I'm over the hype, I'm over the the Oh look
at all this talent, look at this, Look at that
this team is soft, they're injury prone, they like they
don't want to work. They're actively saying how there's culture issues,
Like if you guys couldn't have a good defense and
said kick rocks to Vic Fangio, who's currently looking like

(38:55):
the defensive guru of the league. You deserve to be bad.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Like.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
I think this experiment here is kind of done.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So the offense here, I'm gonna let me just wrap
up this offense here. So they backup quarterback play was
bad last year, so they bring in Zach Wilson from
the Broncos who concluded his rookie contract, Quinn Ewers from
the Texas Longhorns. They also bring in the rap god himself,
Darren Waller, who I'm very still shaking my head about

(39:31):
this move because in a McDaniel offense, West Coast style,
Shanahan offense got to run the ball and he is
not the run blocking tight end. He was near the
bottom essentially.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
I don't think he plays two games. I'll be shocked
if he plays two games.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
They move on from Jeff Wilson and Raheem Moster, so
Ah Chan and Jalen Wright are your running backs here
for the Dolphins, and they still have Tyreek Hill, Jalen
Waddle and one of my favorites, Nick Westbrook. Akine who
forty catches last year had uh geez nine touchdowns off
of that, so over twenty percent success rate ain't that bad?

(40:06):
They also bring in a couple of pieces there, Jonah
Savina out of the draft and then James Daniels from
Pittsburgh to help solidify that offensive line, which also saw
uh Man, I'm drawing a blank on what his name
is Tron Armstead, who retired last year, who had come
out and said that he couldn't practice. He was just
basically a mobile until game days.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
But like they always like they signed, they always get
like this really like good looking offense. Where you look
at it, it's like, wow, they're gonna have those seventy
point games versus the Broncos every other week, because like
you look down the roster and it's like a good player,
good player, good player, good player, and then what happens.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
By week eight, It's like like a Kee had a
great year.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
I love every single running back on this roster, and
a fullback like looks good and we all know Mike
McDaniel can like really scheme up some plays. Like it's
pretty fun to watch just on a day to day basis,
like breaking down plays. But I have zero concerns about
this offense so long as Toua doesn't decide he's a

(41:15):
fullback and get another concussion.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
They really I mean some of this personal moves you
can really tell, like they play to that identity so hard.
I think Westbrook Akine is a large factor in that
they really do have that identity, and it's pretty clear,
and they only did things that keep that identity.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I don't know. Apparently James Daniels is pretty good. So
there's that. Who knows that. Darren Waller, who knows. I
don't even who knows.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
I don't even think they really use the tight end
anyway exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
That's the other part to you.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
If you're a blocking tight end, they will use them.
It's like Gazeki, for example, they barely use them. They
use the other guy smythe all the time. Because Gazi
he couldn't block, but Waller couldn't block. I mean, he
said the Giant he retired because the Giants one on
the block.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
He didn't want to block Tree with the raiders and
actually get a blocking tight.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
End, right, you would think, But it's I don't know,
this is cool, like the offense should be the offense.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I guess that we saw last year.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Was a little bit concerning at times even to in though,
so I don't know but then they had good games,
so like whatever it, I don't know, man, I.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I just think at their core, they're not a winning.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Team, not a winning mentality, Like they.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Don't have that mentality they have that South Beach Miami,
we don't really care, we're gonna they got.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
To the playoffs to one year, they're kind of like, Okay, yeah,
we did it, been there, done that, did it two
years in a row, Okay, and they just you know,
I just think.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
There's I think they're soft.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Tell you why.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
It's it's kind of funny because Jake started saying that stuff.
Then I want on Google and I googled Miami Dolphins
culture issues, and I tell you.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
There everywhere the players are shooting their mouths off about
the coach.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Look At how much Google AI gave me a long
list of issues with their culture and stuff and the
highlighting a ton of different subjects.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
So, I mean, that's definitely concerning.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
I think that's pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
And it is. I also think it's softness. Lack of accountability.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah, there's a lot of I also kind of think
the tour should retire.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Everyone thought that last year.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I really think, dude, what are you doing yourself? But
it's not my it's it's not my life.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They literally defense.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Let's go to the defensive side of the ball here,
where they trade away Jalen ram They reacquire Minka Fitzpatrick
from the Steelers, who hasn't been there since twenty nineteen.
There are a lot of changes here, you know. I
think one of my biggest questions here is going to
be the secondary. How are they gonna, you know, react
to a corner like Jalen Ramsey who's not there anymore.

(44:16):
Who's going to be the guy that steps up Jalen Phillips.
I don't know how much he played last year along
with Bradley Chubb because they were both were coming off
Achilles injuries. If they even played, so another year returning,
so I think they can honestly return the form, especially
you know, the added months removed from that injury, so

(44:38):
maybe they can honestly get back to that form. But yeah,
Matthew Butler from the Raiders really gave him the Saints,
Ashton Davis from the Jets, and then Already Burns who
played in with the Seahawks last year. I don't got
a whole lot for this defense. I don't know who
the defensive coordinator is So that's even the worst part
about me. I try to make sure know with all this,

(45:01):
and sadly I do not.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
You got it down what the coordinator? No. I was
looking up with Jaalen. How many games Jalen Phillips played.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
I want to know where this team okay, hmm, which
it was four.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Last year?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, and did not play that much. Injuries the name
of the game, the name of the game.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
With this team, it's like you look at their we
do their depth chart every year here and it's like, wow,
this looks like a good team. They could go far
so long as they help stay healthy or and then
they end up in either imploding, hating each other and
all getting these awful injuries. Like every year.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
You guys say that, I'm very records being against all
of what you just said.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
They had a fourth best defense last year in the
league when you're talking yards touchdowns, So like, I don't
know where that came from because I didn't realize that
as they were playing. I don't that makes it harder
to judge his defense. Actually, to be honest with you,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I'm kind of it is kind of what you said.
What I don't know. Whatever, fourth best defense, I don't
even know how to judge that.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Then that's fourth best in defensive yards a game. They
didn't let up that many touchdowns on the grand scheme
of all these other teams last year, Like maybe top
five and touchdowns led up last year.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
I don't know, that's tough. No, maybe top three in
touchdowns let up last year. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
I really have no clue how I want to judge
his defense because I look at this defense personally and
it's like every other year. I'm not psyched about it,
but it's not bad at all.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I don't know there's talent.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I'm just not fallowing for it. Again, I refuse.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Maybe it is a culture issue, could be.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I mean, genuinely, it's I really do like McDonald, Like
you were saying, he's fun to watch on offense, but
he doesn't scream hard nose coach.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Obviously.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Well they had a very hard nose coach and fancas
and they couldn't stand him and said kick rocks when
he was fired after one year.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Sorry, did we get a Dolphins DC yet?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I thought we were waiting for you to give.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Us a dolphinsc we were waiting for me. My bad.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Oh it's the same guy as last year, Anthony Meaver Weaver. Yeah, sorry,
I don't know what just happened to me.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It's his first time.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
First time.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm kind of tall. I'm kind of tired of this defense.
Just go to the schedule here and then.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Which I couldn't find a wide schedule, So this is
what it is here.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Uh, white is a home and then the I don't
even know, I don't even know what color that is.
The other one's away, the darker ones away.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
So yeah, I think they could win off the bat
Week one against the Colts. I think that they should
be able to win that game. I think they could
be two and zero before they go to Week three
where they have to play the Bills in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I think this is like a ninety to eighteen or
a ten and seven if everything goes according to plan,
which is no one's angles.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Each other and they make it alive.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And when I ask you the question, we'll make this
team successful, just don't strangle each other.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
That that's playoffs. Playoffs, you have to compete and play together.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, not even just playoffs like I want a competitive
playoff game at the very least. You know, like this team,
there was so much hype about this team when this
team was assembled, there.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Should be Now look at that, look at the roster again.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
But what three seasons ago assembled or two? Has it been?
Two seasons of Tyreek and three three? All right?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
So, man, the big year was like two years ago.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
You're on your fourth season of this hyped up sick
offense with the head coach for it, and like two
is talented enough, I guess, and then like the speed
and the running game, and you ultimately have zero accomplishments
to show for it now and you're going into your

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fourth season of it, and that's a big issue.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
That is a big issue to me.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
So and the thing is, like I don't even blame
them for that playoff loss because it was like negative thirty.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
All the beers were frozen.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
But going into your fourth season, you still have to
have more.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
They put up more.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
They put up more fight against the Bills in Buffalo
than they did against the Chiefs. But obviously, you know
that's a fifty degree temperature swing.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
It was still cold in Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
I've been in negative thirty degree, whether it's it's it's
painful to just be outside. And so I'm not gonna
blame anybody for honestly just quitting that game.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Not gonna blame it's literally your skin hurts being outside.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
Yeah, But then you can't follow that up with the
year like last year. I know, injuries again happened, but
you can't just can't happen.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Also at some point, Yeah, I get the cold thing,
but like, at some point, you gotta be over that narrative, man,
because it it's just like we get to the back
end of every single season and it's like, oh, they're
playing them in the cold.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Game over Yeah, the games are gonna be in the cold,
like you're.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
In the you're in the AFC East. I mean, then
proposed realignment. I don't even know what to tell you, Like,
it's the narrative's got to end at some point where
you gotta get tired of it. You gotta there's it
can't just be a narrative every single year. Man, you
gotta be over it. I'm pretty over it.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I don't know whatever else.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
As far as sports bet end goes, as far as
like the odds for the things, it's the exact like
exact line as the Patriots eight wins I for playoffs.
So it's it's pretty actually less a percentage less than
the Patriots for playoffs. It's it's pretty spot on to

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what the Patriots are. So, you know, I guess that's
middle of the road for this division.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Let's go from South Beach Treaty and go back up down.
Before we start, though, you make sure you get the
wheel ready.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Oh it's ready.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Oh, it's ready.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Okay, as long as we as long as you don't
have the NFC East next week, it's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Let's make Jake wait. So a year ago, the Buffalo
Bills they yeah, they.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Won the division and they are looking to repeat the division.
Josh Allen wins an MVP, so finally, silence the haters,
wins the Most Valuable Player award. Twenty eight touchdowns plus
another I think like fifteen rushing touchdowns. He was on
fire on both ends of the football. Bills looked really
good overall. James Cook seventeen touchdowns last year. I think
he had like fifteen hundred rushing yards. He was having

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a career a year for the Bills. Unfortunately fell short.
In the AFC Championship game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
But twenty twenty five kind of looks like a little
bit of the ups here for Josh Allen and the
Buffalo Bills. As we shift over to the offense here,
they've revamped the receiving court. They acquired Amari Cooper late

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in the year last year, he's currently a free agent.
They bring in Josh Palmer, who's a great possession guy
like an Amari Cooper. Elijah Moore comes in from the Browns,
la Viscus Chanal another year. What can leviskos Chanal do?
Can he make a team? Can he make some sound
waves in this league?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
What can he do?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
But other than that, it's really a lot of the
same guys. I mean, offensive line is still there from
Dion Dawkins, the Spencer Brown, James Cook. Is he gonna report?
Is he gonna get a contract extension? Those are questions
you have.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
To ask as well, Ray Davis, Ty Johnson. Is the
backups there?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:45):
But yeah, that's all I got there, Uh Dawson, Knox,
Don Kinkaid. Gentlemen, this is just the same offense as
last year. There's nothing really should change show it should
be another easy sailing year for them.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
I love and this has nothing to do with the team.
I love that this website just takes some people's names
and writes it in all caps. Like when I look
at this depth chart and Mitchell Trubisky and Mike White
is being yelled at.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Me, it's funny. I don't know. That's that's all I got.
I don't I don't know the offense is gonna be
the same. I have no cool. You don't have Mark Cooper.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
You have guys that could still catch the ball and
do a good job. I ultimately, they just need to
have the same year. James Cook is really the only
question mark, the only factor on this offense that should
be any different, and that's if he's gonna be there
or not.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think he will be there.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
He'll just be a a shut in, a close in,
not close out, a close in, so he'll be at
the camp so he won't get fine for not being there.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So he's just gonna Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
But he needs a play. You need I'm talking about
in games. You know you need him to play. He
was a gigantic factor last year.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Frank Warr Junior, you got Ray Davis, you got Ty
Johnson's Yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Guys, Reggie Gilliam, you got a lot of guys here.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
But James Cook was a large factor last year. I
mean I felt like every night game.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
He was more important than Allen.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yes, I think so.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Too, And I think he is partially a reason why
Josh Allen had such a great year, even on the ground,
is because there are so many dimensions of this defense.
I mean, you could have Dawson Knox short route on
this side, James Cook wheel route, short route over here
or whatever. I mean, Maaric Hooper, even you had depth
on the offense, there was a lot to break down

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for every every play. For any defense, there's there's a
lot of opportunity for anyone on this offense to shine
at any given moment, and James Cook was a big
part of that. I felt like every night game we
watched it was like James Cook touchdown after James Cook touchdown, dynamic,
catching the ball, running the ball. He was a gigantic
part of the offense last year, and I think that

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is again, I think the biggest factor here.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
This offense should be just as good as.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Last year, if not better, and that's if James Cook
plays from week one.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I really like the receiving care though. It's really deep.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Last year it was like, okay, you got Kean Coleman,
what else it is?

Speaker 5 (56:20):
It is really deep, to be honest, I do like
I do like Elijah Moore being there, even as a
deep part of the I.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Like my terrapin being there. Kanaan Praither go terps.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Did I even to see that name on here?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Third third receiver top?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Oh yeah, all right, ready, defense.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Let's go to the defense here. We got to talk
about the two elephants in the room there. Larry Yogujobi.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Michael Hoyt suspended six games due to PEDS, so that
automatically just eliminates some pass rushing help. But still Greg Russo,
Dawan Jones at Oliver, They bring in Joey Bosu was
cut out the Chargers this year. They draft Maxwell Harriston
at the end of the first round in the draft.
This past year, Trey White returns to UH Buffalo after

(57:10):
bounced around the league for a little bit. Uh yeah,
this is still a lot of the same for UH
just a lot of the same defense. They you know,
bring back in Dane Jackson, h. T. J. Sanders, you know,
a second round pick. They have a lot of guys
that they know, like, Okay, we're gonna be losing out
in these guys, so let's kind of draft some young guys.

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These are one year guys, especially uh Okeunjobi and Bosa.
So it really looks like this team wants to blitz
the football from how deep they are on the defensive front,
especially in that front four, so they do want to
bring in a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
It seems like.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
I think that's cool, all the names and all the additions,
all the stuff, but a lot of the factor guys
from last year are still there. You have the Ed Oliver,
you have Met Mulana, you have uh Epanessa.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
There's a lot of these guys are still there.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
So whatever happens with the suspensions and this and Joey Bosa,
who knows whatever, I don't know, it's incredibly that much
of a factor if I mean, I don't know, maybe
after six games they get better because of those two dudes.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I really kind of think it'll be mostly the same.
I don't think there's really any crazy you know, this
team's gonna be much worse much better action happening. So
I still think it's a team that's just gonna do
well against divisional opponents. Still, and when the division you're

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gonna they're gonna be in a playoff spot.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
It is what it is, you know.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
I don't I really think there's much to say about
the regular season for this team.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
That's it. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
I'm biting my tongue.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I don't get a lot else to say, but.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
I really don't think there is much to say, to
be honest, because again, because its.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Comes down to the fact that that clown McDermott can't
win games.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Yeah, he's an overrated coach.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
And Josh Allen's gonna get overhyped every year because he
puts up insane stats and if he doesn't turn the
ball over, hell of a good year. But then he
will choke when it matters.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I get, yeah, exactly, you can.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Okay, cool, Yeah, you won your Super Bowl and whatever
Week ten, whatever it was. When you play the Chiefs
and then you throw this you don't see a full
one side blitz coming in the time when you know
they're gonna blitz, you just throw up a prayer that doesn't
have a chance when like this team will all.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Like, I don't think they're gonna get over that home.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
I don't see by analyzing this team, especially regular season,
giving them the amount of wins whatever, I think it's
just whatever, you know, when it comes time for it
to matter down the stretch in January, that's all that
really matters here. Yeah, they're gonna win the division.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Usual stuff they're gonna put up, you know, twelve wins
at a minimum.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
They're gonna you know, you're gonna hear about them all year.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
You're gonna hear that Sports center, you know, pumping their
tires how they're the best team in the league. And
then they'll lose twenty six twenty to the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
I mean that's ultimately, or the Bengals. I'd be sick,
but much better. But like, ultimately it's gonna come down
down to that playoff game down there, down the stretch
after the regular season. I think that's ultimately just where
we are with this team.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
And it's not even like you can say, like, oh, well,
do what you can to be the one seed. Doesn't
matter if you play and you know, in Buffalo or
in Kansas City, because at least not the weather, the
well not I might talk about the weather, the result
is the same.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, that's also true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Let's look at the schedule for a quick second.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, go for it, big rematch, the uh Mark Andrews
drop game, Week one, big one there. But man, playing
four games in the first five weeks at home. I
mean that kind of kills off the Buffalo momentum, where okay,
we have to have these guys come in, they're gonna
play in the cold. Like, yes, you have the Chiefs
in week nine, you have the Buccaneers in week eleven,

(01:01:34):
then you have the Bengals, who return up to a
buffalo again, and then it's the Eagles and the Jets.
And by that point it's like, okay, like what like
the Eagles and the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Bills, for example, what have you achieved so far in
the season? The playoffs slocked? Cool?

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You know, no Jalen, no Josh Allen. Here's Mike Waite
and Mitch Trubisky have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Maybe, I yeah, I mean there's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Did you count it's gonna be it's it's twelve wins.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I mean that's how I feel.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
It's gonna make the point.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Like it always seems like late in the year, Buffalo
gets better because everyone has to come to their you know,
cold stadium, and then the teams are out of it.
They don't want to play them there. So having that
many frontload home games kind of sucks for them. But
I don't think it really matters.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
I think they're undefeated, Bye Week cool, and then they
obviously win against Carolina and then they're like, oh, Chiefs,
here's our super Bowl. Honestly, they might lose that just
because they've been undefeated, like.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
It's gonna be seven and oher and are probably gonna
be like six and one, like here we go, and
then probably I actually think the Bills will probably win
that game because in the regular season it's it's like, oh,
we lost them again, here's our super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah. I think this is just gonna be the season
that we see from the Bills for the last few seasons.
So whatever. Again, I don't know really what else to
say about this team.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
I have nothing else analytical standpoint, which is what we're
doing here on this on this show.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
And then game plan wise, they're gonna get smacked in
the playoffs because mcderman's a clown and that's pretty much that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
That's where that's the only thing that matters. That hump
is the only part of this season. You could be
in cruise control for this whole season, have a great season.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
That's cool. Do it again, and then how would you
actually get you know, you gotta get there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
They got to run the toush plus this year. How
many times are they gonna run the toush plus this year?
What do you mean because they because they ran it
all last year and when it seems one of the
bandit because it's so unstoppable.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
But if it was unstoppable, they would have beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
To your point, actually, I don't know whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
The Bills are just going to be the Bills that
we call the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
It's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
That their number are they number one? Yeah, they're number
one on the whole, in the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
The Bills every year. That's so overrated, and then it's
just they're a joke.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
They have them every eleven and a half wins, eighty
three percent at playoffs, eleven percent for winning the super Bowl,
which is actually third on the list.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Cool, you have to actually make the super Bowl first
to win it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Let's go to our next favorite segment in the entire world,
the wheel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Now that the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
AFC East is done, now we could go over and
uh find which team or teams actually or which division
we're gonna be talking about next week.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
And it's time for me to get punished for all
my ship talking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
There we go, Ah, all right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Let's go spend it. Click. We have two AFC teams
or two AFC divisions left. We have all four NFC left.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Click it twice. Bang thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I clicked it like five times.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Okay, here we go? Where we go? Where are we going?

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It looks like we're gonna be headed to the National
Football Conference and I'm gonna put all the money in
the world that we're gonna be stuck with the South.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
All the money is gonna be stuck in the South.
Here we go. Let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
It would be really funny if Colton joined at this moment.
We got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Let's think of Coltland in this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
NFC South South South South South South south south south South.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Wow, we're doing the South. We're doing the South.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
This is this is better than winning in Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
This was worst case scenario for Well, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I wanted the NFC South because I know we'll be
on next week. So at least then he had something
to look forward to and just say, you know what
not coming in. He's stuck in traffic still. I think I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Don't have to wait the September.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you what we ran through our teams.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
This is gonna be the first time we don't talk
about our teams in August ever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Go next New York bad team. Cool, knock those ones
out right away.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
That wheel is a tougher opponent for me than the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Next week, the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Giants, the Commanders, the Eagles, and the Cowboys are all
on tap here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
So Jake's happy. I really wish we had the South.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Well, at least Colton has something to look forward to
when we talk about the Falcons for another thirty eight
minutes at some point down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Very exciting times.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
I still say that when we have to do the
double record for when we were away, we just should
just knock out the two South teams or South divisions
just right then.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
And there, and just now I need something that's gonna
be good, whether it's like the AFC West or I
don't know, something that's not the South, because to talk
about them for an hour, apiece, I'm gonna be just
lose my lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I'm gonna lose my shit. I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
One of them has to be one of those teams.
So just like as a warm up, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
True, but as always, I'm well, that's done. That's Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
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