Buy, Sell, or Hold for 2025? - 🏈 Fantasy Football Q&A "From the Forum" - From The Forum

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
M M. What's up everybody. It's Friday night. We're in

(00:29):
the house. Man.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
We got some stuff for you, and I got a
crew with me tonight, some new faces, some guys like
Joe down there that is here every week but obviously
has a much different background. Uh, we won't get into that,
but we've got a great show lined up for you tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I want to just give a second for everybody. Just
hit around the horn, introduce yourself, tell people where they
can find your content, and we're gonna get into it.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, I'm Timmy, I'm I'm nubs on on Twitter. Double
b formerly have the JW Fantasy Football group. Ended up
closing shop, but you know it's always a good time
dromping on talking fantasy.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Nice Joe Frick, thank you for the sweet introduction. Thank
you to the people I bought this house from that
left to garage a two car garage worth of stuff,
which also included this ring light that I'm using for
the show today, so I look extra glamorous. Good to
be here, Dad boughd Sea in the chat, Brent, what's
going on, guys, Happy to be here, Happy to have
some friends on the show, and shout out to the

(01:30):
State of Texas for letting Timmy do his think today.
We've had some technical difficulties with Texas the last couple
of weeks, but you know we figured it out. Shout
out to Aircot. They got it done today.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
I didn't recognize you without your Instagram bikini there, Joe
with your little ring cam there after both broken out
for us. I'm Dan Mader, host of the Operation Domination podcasts,
the number one podcast on Fantasy Football Advice Network. Right,
we can boast that now.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I love the flex, you know, just Dan dropping in there.
We got a couple of people popping in the chat already. Uh, Dad,
bod here, Hey guys, what's up, Brent Bradford, let's go.
Thanks for tuning in, folks. Look, we're gonna start off
tonight with the rumor mill, Okay, and I know there's
lots of stuff going on, uh but you know there's

(02:18):
and there's something like that. You know, it's just nonsense.
And so I'm gonna start with this first one. And
I saw a tweet the other day, Joe, you actually
send it over to me. And Travis Hunter said that
if if he did not go to an NFL team,
that would allow him to play both sides of the
football that he wouldn't play, Timmy, are you buying that?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think he's smarter than that. I think he's smarter
smart enough to know he should catch it on that
NFL contract, no matter how much money he's made in school.
So I don't I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
What about you, Dan? Are you in?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Always remember if you ain't wirst last, that's what That's
what Travis Hunter thinks. If you're not first, your last,
I gotta do it all or nothing at all. Now
of course not. Of course he's playing in the NFL
no matter what they do with him.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I know right, it's like when you get that paycheck,
like if they if he goes if he goes two
overall to the to the Browns, which is the current projection,
you know, he goes too overall and he's gonna get
that bat contract. Is he gonna sit in that room
and say, you know what, I'm gonna refuse to take
this money if you don't play me on both sides
of the No, he's gonna be like, he's gonna take
the money and he's gonna do what they want him

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to do. And maybe he's gonna get a couple packages
here there where he gets to, you know, do something
a little bit different. But we're not buying it. Nobody's
buying that. Like you're gonna play in the NFL, You're
gonna get a top paid rookie contract. You already, I mean,
you have so much going on that it's it's absolutely
bonkers that you wouldn't actually play. Well, yeah, I know

(03:53):
he's got his bass fishing YouTube channel and he's got
you know, all of his other things that he does.
So maybe he doesn't need the money, but I think
the football thing is a passion for him as well,
So I just don't think you walk away from that.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Here's the better question. When his rookie contract is up
and the teams are trying to negotiate and they're talking
about franchise tag, what do you think he calls himself
that a wide receiver or a corner. More money in
the wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'm just saying, I mean, that's a fair point. Who
knows we got Dad Bob Poppini's and dropping us a
question he says, should I trade London Drake London for
Jacoby Meyer and Kenneth Walker Dynasty super Flex PPR Joe
let us know, what do you think is Jacoby Meyer

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and Kenneth Walker enough?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
So I mean it's an interesting trade. Jacoby Meyer underrated player.
With the emergence of Gino Smith coming to Las Vegas,
they have a competent offensive sorts. Obviously the offense is
going to run through brock Bauers and whoever they decide
to take it running back, because it's not gonna be
the International Hall of mid that they have today servicing

(05:04):
their backfield. But Jacoby Myers, he's somebody that's pretty solid
under the radar. I don't like trading young wide receiver
talent for running backs and somebody that's twenty eight twenty nine.
So for me, it's a pass. I think London has
shown that he can be a wide receiver. One. It's
probably a fair trade, but it's not something that I
would be after.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah me either, So Timmy, I'm gonna throw you another
doozy here. So word has it that the Patriots are
really interested in attaining AJ Brown, which is a really
confusing thing for me because I remember a moment at
which AJ Brown was very happily playing for Mike Rabel

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and Tennessee and you know, just wanted a nice, you know,
receiver contract worthy of the production that he was putting out.
And then you know, all of a sudden, the draft
comes in. AJ Brown goes bye bye. You know, he
wasn't cared about. And then there's this narrative that pops
up today that's like, Okay, Rabel really likes AJ Brown

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and he really wanted AJ Brown to be on his team.
So the Patriots are willing to give whatever to get
a to get a AJ Brown Drake may connection. Are
you buying it was really the Tennessee GM that said no,
we don't want AJ Brown and Rabel was left with
a pouty face and he really wanted to keep AJ Brown?

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Or is this just a narrative people are trying to
cook up before the draft.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
See, that's something I like to know more about because
per the friends of mine that I have that are
Tennessee fans, they didn't like the way Rabel ran his
offense anyway. So is he even going to maximize the
AJ Brown usage if he gets them? So I think
that's something to think about because maybe there is rumors
that it was just the GM that didn't like him,
and Frabel never had any problems with AJ Brown and

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they're gonna just feed him the football because he would
be their best went bet on offense. But I think
it's it's a lot. It's really it's kind of mucked
up at this point because a team so young is
the Patriots, I'm not sure why they'd want to go
in on an A. J. Brown and his age and
where the team's actually yet developmentally, So I'm I think
I'm probably leaning out of that rumor, but I wouldn't

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be surprised if it got legs. But it's it's a
lot of talk for a really top high end first
round pick.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I think the most interesting portion of like the AJ
Brown why you would want him to go to the Patriots.
He's a very affordable contract. His cap hit in twenty
twenty five seventy seventeen million dollars, twenty three million, and
twenty twenty six. There's an out there for the twenty
twenty seven year, but up until twenty twenty nine, I mean,
he's only getting paid twenty nine million dollars, which that's

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only gonna be seven percent of the current cap, and
you're expecting the cap to continue to rise. So for
the quality of player, that he is. I can see
why Philly would want to get younger and try to
clear out some of the cap space, but they're not
really moving too too much. I'm a very affordable deal
right now, especially with the way that Chase reset the
market this offseason to Higgins a wide receiver too. He's

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commanding thirty million dollars. So maybe the Eagles know that
he's gonna want that new contract and not get it.
But I don't think it is as crazy as you think.
I would love to have aj Brown. I'll take the
proven talent obviously, Like you said, he's twenty eight this year,
something to worry about, but you got Drake may like
go get it done.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I think it's a little bit interesting too, that the ROI.
It would be like the Eagles trading what sixteen or
nineteen to the tree line pick and then getting four
like four years later, they win another trade like they
did with the Saint somebody stole an extra first round pick.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's like the red paper clip game where you try
to like become like a millionaire, just like trading a
paper clip.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
It is interesting from that standpoint. The only thing I
think that story has any truth to it whatsoever. Is
the part where it was very clear when it happened,
the Mike Vrabel was upset. There was multiple reports about that,
how he was upset when AJ Brown got trade away
from the tight End. So I don't I do think
there's truth that Vraaybel maybe he would love a J. Brown.

(09:06):
I think there's very little truth to the idea of
the Eagles really interested in trading AJ Brown, not just
for the affordable contract, but this has been the go
to guy for Jalen Hurts. When they need a big play,
they hit AJ Brown. Davonta's a really nice wide receiver,
really nice compliment. He works with a J. Brown. And honestly,
I don't want to see a J. Brown and a
Josh McDaniels offense. I don't want to see any plants

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all day long, Like, please, don't let that happen.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I know, right, So I'm gonna make sure we hit
these questions in the chat. So back to this one
London for Jacob Meyer Kenneth Walker, I don't hate it.
It's it's fine deal. Jacob Meyer doesn't really have anybody
the Kenneth Walker thing. I think Drake Lendon is the
best asset yes, Rusty. In the chat, he Paul, I'm

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not going to pretend to say that the right way.
Hello one quarterback PPR traded the one to six for
Breese Hall. Was this a good move? Even though Hall
has risk? I also have the one three and the
one nine. Dan, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Got a lot of thoughts on this one. First of all,
take it to the base action, right, Breesehall for the
one oh six, I think that's fair value. I think
Breese Hall is somebody that I would like to have
on my team. You have to be willing to suck
it up for a year because if they don't trade
him this season, they already talk about doing a committee Breeshall,

(10:39):
whether he's traded now moving on for next year, him
getting away from the Jets will boost his value later on.
So I'm all about having Breeze Hall my team. On
the flip side, you have one of the best running
back classes you could possibly draft from this season. So
if you want Breese Hall, who's has acl issues in
the past, and you have the opportunity one O three,

(11:02):
one oh six, one o nine what you had before,
you could have gotten a lot of good running backs
for that too. So I think it's a fair offer,
but you're gonna have to be willing to suck it
up for a year. Like I don't think you're gonna
win that deal twenty twenty five unless the Jets actually
do move on from Breesehall this season.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's a fair enough take. Anybody else on that one.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
It's just crazy how volatile running backs are. Like if
you would have done this last year, you would have
been laughed at, and now everybody's in a panic about
Breese Hall. And it's just it's interesting to see just
in dynasty wide receivers pretty stable assets. They have a
down year, like you're like, okay, Like, let me look
at the age curve. Kind of set running backs. It's
just wild wild west. I agree with what Dan said, though,

(11:46):
I think the Jets it's just a scary proposition. The
one benefit that you have if he does stay on
the Jets, if Justin Field isn't thrown to Garrett Wilson,
he's probably dumping off to Breese Hall.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's fair enough.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I like it because I think we're missing out on
it being one QB because I think this first round
in terms of depth changes a little bit when it
comes to just the overall round, because you're at least
taking out two maybe three players in terms of the
quarterback position from the first round, and that really kind
of drops the level of player that's gonna be at

(12:21):
the one oh six. Like in Superflex, I have like
the one oh seven, it's like a tier break besides
like the one oh one, So we're kind of looking
at like the one oh four's being the tier break.
If you're including three quarterbacks there maybe one oh five.
So I think unless someone takes someone that you're expecting
to be or leave someone on the board that you're
expecting to be gone, you're probably dropping off from a
talent level there anyway.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
But all at this to me too. I mean, keep
in mind, Bristol came in the league really young. He's
still only twenty three years old right now, which is
just as young as the majority of the running backs
coming out in this draft class.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
H Yeah, yeah, I like the side on this for sure, though.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, I don't mind it too because you have the
one three and the one nine, So you're gonna lock
up one of the top three like you're gonna get
You're probably not gonna get genty. You have a good
shot of Amari and Hampton, or you have a good
shot at the the really the top talent that adds
at the most. You know, like if if a Trevon
Henderson or a Quinshawn Jenkins lands for the Raiders right

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or something like that, where they're instantly gonna get work,
they land in New England, you know where you know,
we've Rabels likes to run the ball, like where they
land somewhere where they can have instant equity, then you know,
you definitely feel better about it as well, because you're
gonna be able to stack you know, I mean even
at the one three, if you if you trade the

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one six for Breze Hall and let's say at the
one three, you don't want to get one of those
guys like you you're easily looking at the top wide
receiver in the draft, or you can get a higher
you can still get a very signal. I mean, you
look at the guys that went one nine last year,
and I know this year's draft classes not last year's
rookie draft class when it comes to wide receiver, but
Brian Thomas Junior won nine. You know, a lad McConkey

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like one ten, one eleven, You know, like there was
people there that could h that can definitely change a team,
you know, so I don't hate the trade. And it's
rookie season. I can tell you this one of my
favorite things to do, and then we'll move on to
the next thing. One of my favorite things to do
in dynasty season is two fleece people at draft time

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when they're so excited to make a pick. They it's like, oh,
I just gotta have this player right now, and so
you end up getting like if this, if this trade
happens at Draft nine, hear me, if this trade happens
during your dynasty draft, I think that that one six
brings you Breashall and probably something along the lines of

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like a Bresehall and Davante Adams, or like a Brie
Hall and Mike Evans. Like you probably actually pull that
for the one six pick on draft night.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
It playing dynasty leagues with dude.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
You know, it's true. Just think of it. Think of
the trade that you've seen happen during the draft. It's
always something that you go, what the heck were they thinking?
Right Like, It's like, but it's just that it's that high, right,
Like people get excited to draft I've done it, like
I mean, I've had it in the third round. I'm like, oh,
there's a player I really like here. So I'm trying
to figure out a way to get picked like three six,

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and somebody's like, hey, i'll take I'll take this pressure.
But they're like, there's no way I can trade somebody
like that, trade that player. But you know, I've pulled
like I got George Kittle for like the three six
like a year ago, you know, in a draft because
somebody had a player they wanted to pick there. And
I'm like, cool, I'll take George Kittle. I don't care

(15:53):
if he only plays out the season, it'll be a
great half of the season. And then I have Evan
Ingram for the other half of the season, you know,
and whoah, I don't know what just happened. Joe left
and everything falls apart. Wait to go, Joe, Joe, you're

(16:14):
the blue I know, the hated I take that much.
The take shut the show down. If you're watching, I'm sorry.
I'll keep it a little bit more light going forward.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
I haven't got to the hot takes. This is time.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I didn't want to add one thing to your point
about people like you know it's rookie season. They want
to get into the drafts. This is something I've been doing,
especially in the dynasty leagues where I'm in the rebuild
part of that. If you have all these extra picks,
like I have one dynasty league where I have like
eleven picks, and what I started doing actually was trading
off to guys who've had like zero, like like a
fourth round or they have nothing else, offering thirds for

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next year, seconds, offering fours for next your thirds, and
a lot of these deals are going through, and I
think those are tangible moves that you can actually be
making and pulling off because people want to get into
this year's draft. Make sure you're loaded, not just this year,
but next year too.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Can I add something to that?

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Because I love that take, Because I'm in a league
where I took over a really bad team like three
or four years ago, and I've just been collecting picks
like I have going into this draft. I think I
had like sixteen and like six of them were first rounders.
And I have six first rounders next year and I
have three and twenty seven. I have a lot of
early seconds. Offer your early seconds to teams without picks

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for their twenty seven first because a few reasons, they
have to hit on those picks. If they don't hit
on those picks, their team isn't better. Their team's only
gonna age out two more years and then you're gonna
have their twenty seven first. So if you have to
offer two to one in two oh eight or two
oh three and two oh eight or something like that,
that might be worth it to you, just if you
if you're a surplus of picks and you don't like

(17:49):
what's on the board, or you don't like what the
range is gonna be that's on the board, and you
can just lock up another first round pick that you
just sit on and like the Pickture traded away, you
don't even worried about because you're not even think about
them because you didn't want to use them.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Anywa And as I today, just in case anybody doesn't know,
twenty twenty seven looking like it's going to be a
really really strong draft class. Twenty six is going to
be a next level up from this year. Twenty seven
is gonna be another level up. So that's the year
you really want to have some draft picks coming in.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, I love the belief that anything after the second
round doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I mean this is great, great takes. Grimer coming
in What's Up Crew? Too much Fantasy Football? Love that.
I agree Dan, And it is an oversight the racking
up of picks that happens. I have won so many
times on that where even I trade somebody that's projected
to have a late first round pick, right, but then

(18:41):
they have an injury or something happens, some player lays
an egg and then all of a sudden, the player
that I was or the pick that I was getting,
though is projected like one eleven one twelve ends up
being one to three, and I'm sitting in the draft
like real happy, you know. So you can never like
those picks though they may have a projection like there.

(19:03):
Anytime you can upgrade for the future, especially for somebody
that's anxious to get in, is definitely a win. Let's
see and come back, he said. Trading current late picks
for higher futures that Dan brought up is what he's
talking about, all right, So moving forward, let's pull this

(19:24):
up here. So I asked before the show, we wanted
to prepare a few hot takes. These are calls on
the season on players that nobody else sees like things
that you might get called crazy for. So Dad bought.

(19:44):
I'm glad you're tuned in because you're about to get
the juice, all right, and you we're just gonna We're
just gonna decide if it's worth a squeeze, right, I
guess I don't know. Uh, so start I'm gonna start
off with with Dan, Dan, I won't you let us know,
give us something hot, give us some juicy. Uh, what's
your big hot take going into twenty twenty five?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
This is for the draft or for which one was
so sorry was get loss on the outline?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Uh? This could be for the draft, this could be
anything just your your player that something that nobody else
is thinking about that could impact their twenty twenty five
season and they can prepare for it even now.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Okay, So I had two listed here, I'm gonna go
with the one that I think is gonna get everybody
all riled up. Remember this is hot takes, all right.
Jayden Daniels will not finish in the top eight at
the quarterback this upcoming season for fantasy.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
All right, how do.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
We ate everybody off the show?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Again? That's girls? It's so gross. Keep going, keep going.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Here's the deal. When I look at Jaydon Daniels, he
is the version of RG three that didn't blow his
knee in the playoffs. Like think about it, Like we
would have been talking about RG three this same exact
way we're talking about Jane Daniels. It didn't change the
fact that he continued to get hurt later in his
career because he's a very lanky body. Didn't change the
fact that he does not have great pocket awareness because

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you know, he had twenty percent pressure to sack ratio
that didn't disappear. Now, what happened is in the Kingsbury's credit,
he Taylor made an offense and this is kind of
up Kingsbury's alley of what he wants to do anyway,
But it's getting the ball out of his hands fast, right.
It was the fourth fastest time to throw. He was
middle of the pack in air yards, was seven point
sixty three air yards per attempt. Everything was short, short, short, short, short, short.

(21:33):
It's all about yards after the catch, get it out,
get it going. What that does is that it limits
the amount of post snap breeds you have to make.
Everything's pre stat predetermined when teams start to squeeze. What
the Eagles do in the playoffs, they squeezed them. Jade
Daniels head four point sixty nine air yards per attempt
in that playoff game. They just squeezed the hell out

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of them, forced him to make post snap reads. I
don't think Jane Daniels still sees the entire of the field,
and I think the commanders in general are going to
take a little bit of a step back. Teams that
will usually overplay their hand in one year, even if
they get a bit on paper, tend to regress the
following season. But that's for a different conversation. Here's another
thing about Daniels. If he can't run, he's not fantasy relevant.

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And with his lanky body, I get concerned about the injuries.
Remember four weeks eight, nine, ten, eleven, he had those
bruise rips. He was quarterback twenty one during that stretch.
He only had one three hundred yard performance the entire
season long. This isn't a prolific passer. Don't get me
Deebo Samuel Debiol, Samuel's done. Okay, all the all the

(22:37):
triple baconators he's been eating is eating himself right out
of it. He's done. He's total.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Baconator.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Oh that's so that's it's hotsache.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It is so hot, it's so hot, it's spicy. I'm struggling. Look, Okay, Dad,
it's not that I'm gonna bite back. I believe in
the second year regression. Okay, I do believe that Washington
has to get him protection. I think they'll they'll do
that in the draft. Here's the thing, and this is

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my thing with Daniels. It's because I watched him so
much in college. You know, I've talked about it on
the show. I watched Arkansas blow a three touchdown league
because Jane Daniels comes in at halftime and just obliterates them,
you know, like he's a winner, like he's a gamer.
He's that guy like like Mahomes hobbling on one leg
and you know, throwing a pass half lounge sideways, you know,

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just to get the ball down the field. You know,
Jane Daniels will play through whatever injury and productivity that
does the point. Like you said, Bruce Ribs, it affected
his gameplay. I totally agree. But the difference is, and
we see it. We see it so often. Great quarterbacks
will elevate teams, and Jane Daniels took a team that

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was garbage and elevated them in year one. So if
the argument is top eight, if he's outside of the
top eight, is that possible, Yes, But in my opinion
that it's only possible barring injury, if he stays healthy.
There's no way.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
A lot of people thought that about Kyler Murray, and
then you get towards the end of Kingsbury's tenure there
they started squeezing the offense and all of a sudden,
he's QB ten without.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Tyler Murray is a powdy like Kyler Murray's like like, no,
Kyler Murray's got that bo Callahan syndrome. Right. He gets
sacked three times and then all of a sudden he
just quits on his team and he gets all spastic
and can't get it done. Or he starts running all
the time, or he sits on the sideline and he
just pouched because he's not getting to do his thing,

(24:48):
you know, Like it's that's different. Jane Daniels, VR.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Headsets don't have call of duty, honest, so he should
be safe.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm Kyler Murray is not the comp but I don't
think I got to go ahead, Sam.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I gott to jump in here because I'm a Jade
and Daniels supporter, and I don't think you can base.
I think you can do your best to protect your
teams against injury, but I don't think that you want
to play that way because I think that hurts your
overall ceiling. Also, Jayden Daniels, it took him to week

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three on a drive that ended in a field goal
for them to let him throw a ball that was
deeper than a dump off or a run that was
inside in between the tackles, and then it took into
another six weeks. I think week three was against the Bengals.
I think week nine was against the Ravens that it
was up until the end of the half did they
allow him to throw.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
The ball deeper.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
So I think that the playbook opens up for more
opportunities for them to score touchdowns in the red zone,
because what was it was like five field goals to
week one or four field goals week one three, week two?
I think three week three, So I think there's a
lot more touchdown upside in this offense, and people want
to give credit for credit for as well as Daniels
has shown his chops since his ability to read defenses.

(26:05):
I think the issue was there was there was some
development shortages when it came to like how he started
because he wasn't looking backside a lot of the play
and the backside receiver was actually winning a lot of
the time. That that stuff gets cleaned up in film.
You have another weapon in Debo, and I think he
can really dissect the defense more when he has more
actual downfield threats.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Also that game against the Eagles, he had twenty three
fantasy points.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
By the way, well the second half. Look at the
first half.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
In the second Blake Bortles carried me to a championship?
Is the garbage time king?

Speaker 5 (26:39):
I get it, it's not really defense.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Joe goes off the street and talking about Blake. No
Joe for Blake, Pray for Joe's Internet reaching in the
depths and that one.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
All right, shout out Alan Robinson.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah it's it's great. Uh, go out in the chat.
What's happening all Thanks for tuning in and joining. Uh.
You know, I think it all bars injury. I think
the Jane Daniel and even like to your point with
the dump offs or the air yards they got another
player that's like a catch in the slot, like run
after the catching Deebo. Like granted last year, I did

(27:23):
watch Deebo last year, and it's fine. Bacon haters like
Bacon aters can still have relevance in football.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, Like you just got to wave his hands off.
He won't drop those light mayo.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I mean, Jane Daniels was doing it with Noah Brown,
like he was making Noah Brown relevant and again and
everybody's like, is Noah Brown somebody I should roster? No,
Noah Brown's not somebody you should ever roster, but under
Jane Daniels on the ball, sure you should roster him.
That's where everybody was at. So anyways, love that anytime
that you got the chat talking about I disagree, then

(27:57):
we're we're hitting it. It's it's a good one. You'll
bring in the heat. Thank you, Dan. All right, Timmy,
drop it what's hot for you tonight.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
So I prepped mine based on the draft, and I'm
terrible at making hot takes for the draft because I
just either have player takes or I don't. So I
was thinking about how do I want to go this?
Go about this way? And I was like let's do
a running back one, so I kind of combound two
of them. The first one I would say with the
running back is that, if I'm being hot about this,
I think this class is really deep.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I do think that there are gonna be some misses.
There are gonna be some scheme mismatches, like teams draft
the wrong player in terms of fit and in terms
of their skill set. But I think, if I'm going hot,
I'm titying to say three or four player, Three or
four running backs drafted in third round EIGHTYP of rookie
Fantasy rookie drafts are going to be top twenty four
running backs at some point during the season when it
comes to injury. Maybe maybe on a points per game basis,

(28:47):
maybe on actually a whole points scored basis. I'm making
it hot because you asked for it hot. I would
probably go with a little less players, but I do
think that this class is deep enough to continue to
take shots at the running back position through the third
maybe in the fourth round.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
One in doubt drafted running back this year. I think
last year you saw the depth and the wide receivers,
and even if you had a late round first like
it just everything struck the gold this year. It's gonna
the same way with the running backs. Just if you
can't rid yourself a pick, so you're trying to do something,
you have access make it happen. There's so much good
talent this year.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I mean, you got people in the chat, you know,
Dad Bob talking about Scatterbo, Rusty saying RJ Harvey, Baby
Grindberg take the shots at running back. It is a
deep class and we see it even go Yati, Dylan
Samson the spin move iyeboo. I agree, Dylan Samson is
one of those late value guys that could have a

(29:44):
huge potential and this class is full of it. And
you know, it feels like the running back class and Timmy,
So I'm agreeing with your take. There's relevancy all the
way through.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
You know, I got one other thing I want to
add to it too. You can go ahead after the start.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, no, no, you're good, You're good. I'm excited for it.
But like you know, at the run, like it's like
we're hitting the changing of the guard in the running
backs in the NFL. Like everybody that we've followed for
like the last five years is like fading out right
and even yeah, except for Derrick Henry because he spends

(30:20):
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year making sure
his body's in great shape. But no, Also, he doesn't
run sideways, just a straightforward. He's a train. He just
gets the ball and he runs forward, and so you
can't arm tackle him. It's good. He can keep doing it.
It's not like Todd Gurley where he breaks his knee
because he's trying to do just a side step that
he can't do anymore. But the with the running back position,

(30:45):
it's we're seeing so many players fade out, or so
many players like Aaron Jones that are projected to lead
a team's running back room and is obviously at the
at the end, you got Alvin Kamara fading. You know,
you got all these guys that have been good for
so long that are on their way out. And then
you get a class like this, right, like a class
that's just loaded up, and you're like, there's so many teams.

(31:09):
There's so many teams. Even if it's like we saw
it a few years ago with James Robinson, right, like
a running back who played at a no name school
was okay, kind of like that Frank Gore, like, I'm
a bowling ball type guy, and then we're seeing him
lead in fantasy right just because he got the opportunity.
And there's so many guys in this draft that just

(31:30):
just could get enough of an opportunity to establish relevance.
So when you're talking about your third and fourth, yeah,
I love the I love the call on just grab
somebody late, like because you don't know, say it's similar
with tight end I feel like, but running back definitely
this year.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Go ahead, Dan Well, I was right now and I
don't know. I don't know this will stay true and
once to get through the draft, because I'd be surprised
the player went this late. But if you play like
and I do, I have dynasty leagues where we have
five rounds, and if you're playing one of those right now,
a rookie mock draft, you can get a guy like
base shall touton to follow you in the fifth round.
As now that might change post draft, we'll have to
see what his draft capital is going to wind up being.

(32:10):
But to your point, one, two, three, four, five, there
are running backs. Ever, DJ Giddens is going in the
fourth round right now on roocky mock drafts, plenty of
talent everywhere.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
The other thing I wanted to say is that this
class is funky. When it comes to grinder backs, there
aren't that many. And I think my other hot take
is going to be regardless of what you think of him,
Ali Gordon's NFL draft position is going to surprise you.
And either could be that he gets drafted really high
or he gets drafted really late. So it could be

(32:43):
he's he's a second round pick because some team really
likes him as a grinder, or he's really late because
he's not Like, what is this one specific thing that
he does really well? And I don't really think we
can identify that.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I think Ali Gordon has been one of the largest folloers,
Like coming in, it was a lot of hype and
I think through the draft process he has fallen, which
could be could be a win. I'm I'm personally kind
of like you, I'm not really sure how he wins, Like,
I don't know what he does that is the separator.

(33:15):
And Dan, I know you've been you've been watching, and
there's what is the Is there a separator for him
amongst this draft class that makes him like a hands
down he can do this better than anybody else.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
No, so I'll paint a picture for you. I comped
him to Jerome Ford, where you can do a little
bit of everything, just enough to be a really high
quality handcuff back, but you don't have anything. You don't
have the burst. You can catch, but you can't really
make linebackers and safeties misconsistently because he doesn't have the
the elusive hips that you're necessarily looking for for a

(33:50):
great receiving back. You have some power, but you don't
have you know, Naji Harris type power. So he falls
into that mixture of I could do a little bit
of everything that makes it for the perfect handcuff back,
but it's not somebody who's gonna win and start consistently. Again,
it just reminds you so much of Jerome Ford.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm buying that. I think he's a big you know,
obviously bigger. I think Jerome Ford has a little bit
better sideways movement, but I feel that I think that
the high quality handcuff is probably pretty close. Yeah, No,
love both of those, Timmy, what you got for us tonight, Joe?

Speaker 4 (34:30):
All right? So I think there's despite this high profile
running back class I think that there is one running
back that I could not run further away from, and
I could probably run faster than him based on what
I saw from his forty time, and that is mister
camps Kataboo. I do not see it from this guy.
I don't like the attitude that he has. I don't

(34:51):
like the way that he plays the game. My prediction
for you is that he's gonna have third round draft capital,
and not only is he not going to be relevant
in twenty twenty five, but he has never going to
have fantasy relevance in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
You guys aught my hot. My tick was hot. Damn.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't hate it. I'm not in on the scatter bow.
Like to me, it's it's this like weird thing where
it's like, you know, you might get a little bit
of Peyton Hillis maybe, but then not really or you know,
like there's not any giant like I see him more

(35:29):
like I see him getting the NFL. I see him
putting on some weight, and I see him playing the
cow U Chik role somewhere, you know what I mean?
That feels like a better thing for him, Like he's
what running Okay, you're shaking your head. Dan, I'm open.
I'm open to conversation.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
He say what, he's a bigger Austin Eckler. He has
the same type of contact balance, the same type of
receiving acumen makes guys miss constantly has a great burst
because I think that's what people are overlooking. You can
get wrapped up in the forty How often is a
running back really running seventy yards down the field. It's

(36:09):
not that often. You want that burst the line of
scrimmage between that five and seven yards. That's what he
does fantastically. He's a bigger Austin Eckler. That's what I
don't understand.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
But he can't move like Eckler.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Did you watched last year?

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I did watch last year, and I mean you see
it right here, Like you know he's like, oh he
he almost single handily beat you team. Yeah no, not congratulations.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
He put a whole team on the back of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
You just talked about Jayden Daniels being a second half player.
He got completely shut down.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
That was a He's Arizona State, Oh, Arizona State caliber
offensive line, and Arison was a caliber quarterback. And there's
those eight caliber wide receivers that was Tama scattabow everybody,
Miss I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I love getting you so rolled up. You hit like
that third tier of pitch in your voice where it's like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
My help.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Oh look it's okay. I'm getting some hate. You know.
Obviously dad Bot is with you. He's like, he's an
amazing mover. What the heck are you talking about? Sure,
I'll take it, you know, I'm just not buying.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
I like that you're getting hate for my take.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, it's okay. I'm with it. I will take a hate,
bring the hate. I'm always for it. At the end
of the day, when my Dynasty draft hits and Cam
Scattabo has like a second round pedigree of where you
have to draft them, I'm not in.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
He's c RB twenty seven on Keep Trade Cut, which
Timmy and I were talking for the show. Keep Trade
Cut isn't really like Bible by any means, but RB
twenty seven is very steep. I just to me, that's crazy.
I would take a veteran over somebody that want to
go and draft Cam Scott.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Look, at the end of the day, this is what
we know. Has a new fan. Dan has found a
new fan that loves his takes and feels scatter bo
and and he is here for it. So Dan, congratulations,
I love it. I love it. At least you're willing to, like,
you know, die by your own sword or whatever they

(38:17):
want to call it. You know it's yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
You might just tell him. Now what day of the
week R show is? I can make.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Sure or we we well, so we record Wednesday night.
We dropped the episode every Thursday morning for the podcast
version at the video goes out over the weekend Fridays
and Saturdays typically speaking, so it's all throughout the week.
You can't miss Operation Domination on your favorite podcast app.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
You're the best, You're the best, all right, So Dan, dude,
you're on a you're on a you're on a run.
You're on a tear right now. I gotta hear your
second hot take.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
Oh hold on, let me go back to my other notes.
So it's Ricky Piersoll finishes as a top twelve wide
receiver this upcoming year. So I think a lot of
people right now, right now, Juwan Jennings ahead of him.
And as far as ADP goes, and Jwan Jennings a
nice player, nice role player. He is not the next
I don't know Jerry Rice whatever they were trying to
make him out to be, because he had the really

(39:13):
nice performances for brand Nyuk last year per Ricky Piersaw.
We all know, you know, the adversity he had to
go through in the beginning of the season to get
back on the field, got that done, and then towards
the end of the season showed flashes. Right, he had
eighteen targets the last two weeks. He finishes the wide
receiver five over those last two weeks. Not a big

(39:34):
sample size obviously, but I'm just kind of pointing it
out there. He popped and it didn't take away from Jennings,
who had twenty targets between the combine those two games.
So the point kind of there being like Piersaw can
still get his even if Jennings is involved. We don't
know when brand Ayuk's exactly to come back. Maybe he's
healthy by September, maybe he's back to his old self
or some form of it by late season, but I'm

(39:56):
not too confident about that. Last year, the guy was
completely healthy, He missed training camp, miss his OTAs. Look
what production he was putting out there before he even
got the ACL. The other thing about Ricky Piersall is
that he's gonna take the d bow role. Now, I
don't mean the d BO role as far as the
wide back is concerned. I mean the DBO role as
far as the flanker type slot receiver in motion. Yah King,
that's the role he's gonna take. So, whether brand At

(40:17):
Yuk's out there or Dwan Jennings replacing him, the one
guy who's going to be in his situation from week
one throughout the season barring injury, is Ricky Piersaw and
that position that Dee Bow roll as a receiver, just
as a receiver except for twenty twenty three, I'll produce
brand A Yuk or whoever the X wide receiver was
for the San Francisco forty nine ers, that was the

(40:37):
featured weapon. So I think Ricky Piersaw is gonna be
guy you take later on who's going to top twelve
potential this season.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, it's really interesting seeing just the way that there's
so much murkiness in that wide receiver room right now
on underdog Ricky Piersaw wide receiver thirty nine. To your point,
Juwan Jennings, is that wide receiver thirty five, So there's
definitely a lot of room and value there. Somebody's gonna
pop off. I like that one. We're on the same

(41:05):
page there do. I think it's top twelve. That feels
kind of steep, But I mean, are you gonna bet
against Kyle Shanahan?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Probably not well in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Yeah, all right, one more thing I just had to
add and get over to Timmy. There they have, if
not the easiest schedule, one of the easiest schedules. They
get to play the AFC South, the NFC South, the
one team from the NFC easy to get to play
as the Giants. The one team from the AFC North
to get the play is the Browns. Like they have
a cake schedule the whole way through. It sets up

(41:38):
perfectly for Fantasy points. Sorry, Timmy goud, No, you're good.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I was just making a joke about Kyle, Like, I
like where you're going with it. I think top twelve
is steep, but we're talking hot takes, and I think
Jennings has proven he's capable of handling a load, but
that does not mean he's going to consistently get a load.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I so did in this realm I'm actually on blo
like I'm I'm gonna get on the chain train. I'm
gonna toot the horn with you to two whatever I
am with it. You know, Ricky Piersoll didn't. It took
him a minute to get involved. But you look at
his last two games this season. Against Detroit, twenty nine

(42:17):
fantasy points he had, was it like ten ten target,
eight receptions, one hundred and forty one yards in a touchdown.
You know, then you follow that up against Arizona the
next week he has six catches sixty nine yards in
a touchdown. Like they obviously want to use him, they
want to get him involved. He can play, And the
reality is, what's Ricky Piersoll costing you? Like right now,

(42:39):
if you were to go trade for him in your
dynasty leagues, you're probably getting them for especially during draft,
a third round pick, if somebody's trying to get to
who they want, sure you might get I mean, even
if I have to pay like a late second, I'm
in right.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Keep trade cut. It was a two to oh five,
It was in that range with for Ricky pearsall right now.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Two oh five seems about about right for what the
projection is.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
But even though a little bit the even would be
it's like a late first at this point.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
But in like especially like in best Ball formats or
like you know in your redraft drafting now like that
with the rookies infiltrating the draft, like he's falling. I mean,
you're probably getting him late, you know. So I love
that take. I love the the opportunity there for him.
I think that that team's you know, obviously going to

(43:36):
be thirsty for some weapons at the receiving game. And
you know, Purty is one of those guys. He's going
to lean on who he's comfortable with at the end
of the day. He's going to lean on who he's
comfortable with. At the end of the season. He started
getting comfortable with Piersoll and if if he if they
start out any kind of bit strong in the beginning
of the season, you'll see it all season long. Like

(43:58):
I said it, just hope hopefully they both stay healthy.
But speaking to that, that's gonna move us to our
next segment of the shows. And you guys in the
chat if you're if you're in hit the like hit
the sub uh, we are gonna talk buy sell holds.
These are the players that you know are really and

(44:19):
if you have if you have guys that in your
on your dynasty's team that is really that are really
like you're perplexed on You're like, you know, I'm really
debating on this player. I don't know if it's time
to sell them, if I need to hold them one
more year, you know, what's my best value? Drop them
in the chat. We're happy to hit him, and we're
gonna hit some of the ones that you know, everybody's
already kind of talking about. So that being said, we're

(44:44):
gonna start off and I'm gonna pull one off Joe's list.
Uh Saquon Barkley. Okay, the question is buy cell hold?
And the reason he's he's there is like, obviously we
saw probably one of his best seasons last year. Comes
in for the Eagles. We get electric running back, you know,
we get what we hope to see. We get him

(45:06):
not getting injured like he's been all see all, you
know through a lot of his career. We get the
Saquon that we wanted, right, but you also have Saquon
not that he's old, but he's played for a while.
He's dealt with a lot of injuries and I watched
Saquon go for a two first rounders A J. Brown

(45:31):
is Yeah, AJ Brown and two first rounders. I watched
that trade happen this week, So obviously the value is
high on him. So at this point, and that's what
you kind of have to entertain at on a seal point,
is he gonna be lucrative enough to win you a
championship this year that you have to hold him, or

(45:55):
is the value high enough or higher than it's ever
been enough for you to deal them if you can.
And I know, obviously roster conversation and build always comes
into this conversation, but we're just gonna we're just gonna
pretend that you have a level roster and you're talking
about the player evaluation. Where are you at right now?

(46:16):
Buy Seale hold on.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Saquon as somebody who held on to Christian McCaffrey a
year too long. I'm probably looking to make a move
unless I feel pretty confident about my chances in winning
a championship. I think a deal where you're getting AJ
Brown plus two first like that's not even a question,
Like that's an easy trade. We just talked about Brees Hall,
who was at one point last year RB one in Dynasty,

(46:41):
all of a sudden you're getting a one zero six form.
So there's a lot of things can change really quickly.
I think the positive on the Eagles is that that
offensive line is maybe the best in football, and they're
not losing really any major pieces. They did lose backed
into the Eagles, but or to the Eagles, to the Chargers,
but you expect them to be able to kind of
make up for that. I expect them to be able
to fill that void. But for me, it's just like

(47:04):
from an asset management, he's twenty eight years old. I
don't really worry about the hell thing. I think that
you can't really control for that stuff. So it's if
I have a chance to win, you play to win
the game. I don't play to collect picks. I don't
play for future years. It's like I want to win
every year. I wouldn't be looking to buy him. If
I'm looking to buy, I would do it at the deadline.

(47:24):
I would pay up at the deadline, assuming and seeing
how things shake out. But if I have an opportunity
to trade him for pretty much like the one on one,
or say like a nice package like you were mentioning
I would. I would jump on.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It interesting, you know, And I don't know timmy Dan.
You're free to jump in, just hit hit the hand
raise if you have something really hot here, you know,
it's almost to me. And I deal with this with McCaffrey.
I have a ton of McCaffrey shares, and like it's
like some players, it's like their value is is like

(48:03):
with with even with McCaffrey, like you have injury, you
have this, you have that that made deter value, but
you realize, you know what he's capable of. And there's
few players where I'm like, you know what, I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna keep this player on my roster
till they die and leave the league like this is
my this is my what they call your ride or die,
you know what I mean. And Saquon is almost worth that,

(48:25):
Like he's almost like like the reality is he could
have two you know, potentially I would say two depending
on how he takes care of himself even longer, but
at least two more seasons like that. I mean, I
think the Eagles used him well. I don't think he
had to carry their offense, which is what he was
having to do with the Giants, which is why he

(48:45):
was always banged up. So you know, a player like
that that could give you RB one through five potential
any given year, week, day to day period. You know,
it's like you almost just want to keep that player
and keep them rolling, you know, unless somebody is willing
to give you a massive overpay. But even then, like

(49:07):
if you're looking at it and you're like, okay, somebody
will give me the one, one three for are you
selling Squon for the one three? Like if you can
get omari On Hampton or something at the one three
and he goes, let's say he goes to the Steelers,
you know, is that worth giving up?

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Don't even don't? Please? Did we not learn our lesson
from Najie Harris. We are not ready to draft. We
do not have the luxury to be drafting the running
back in the first round.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Oh my god. Talking. Okay, I'm just throwing plausibles out there.
They create context for the conversation.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Okay, I called Arthur Smith on your sideline, now, so
ill it out. But the only thing I was gonna
add to that, And you gotta make sure you get
back to proper value, right if you're gonna sell Saquon.
You're obviously selling one all time high. Make sure you
get your high package. But what I will say is this,
in the last I think it's sixteen years now, there's
only one running back who's been able to duplicate that

(50:08):
his same RB one performance when he's had four hundred
touches or more, and when you had in the playoffs,
but Barkley had former touches. That player was Ladanian Thomason.
Everybody else, Derek Henry, Christian McCaffrey, you name it. They
either wound up getting injured the following season or saw
super dips in their efficiencies. So from that historical data point,

(50:28):
I do get a little bit concerned about what Saquon
Barkley might do moving into next year. And this is
somebody who dealt with a lot of lower injury, you know,
lower lake extremity injuries. With his time of the Giants,
it was not inconceivable here. Obviously, make sure you get
your package for Him'm not saying just sell him off
willy nilly, but that is something I am actually concerned about.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I like that, Dan, I like that a lot. To
run with history is a really good move because you're
looking at someone that'd have to break the paradigm completely
to like continue on. But I will I will make
this dis argument that if you are looking for extreme upside,
the most ultimate upside you can get, it's Saquon. Obviously

(51:10):
you have to make sure you're paying the right price
for him, But if you're going to try to win
a league, there's really no better option. And we can't
go in worrying about injuries. But if I'm getting two
first in aj Brown, he's gone. He's just he's just
off my team. The same thing can be said though
about the one on one. If you're getting let's say
one O three a first and like a Bryce Young, Like,
how likely is is a gent ever going to be

(51:35):
worth that?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Much?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Like in terms of let's say let's say Bryce Stung's
a first, how how often is a GENTI gonna the
outcome of a gent gonna be worth three first and
one of them being one O three.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Or something like that.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, Like I love that.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
That's an argument you have to make.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I freaking love dynasty. I love the projected values. I
love the freaking general manager. And you know, like pretending
that happens where we're like trying to get the most
value out of each players. We're trying to buy low
and sell high and build a team. I watched I
watched both Draft Day and Moneyball last night, and I
was like, just it's super pumped about this freaking show.

(52:14):
You know, I'm like the guy that played Madden and
I didn't play any of the games. I just built teams.
You know, It's like, it's I really love it. Dynasty
is one of the best things that ever happened to Fantasy.
Uh So we're gonna keep rolling and go yati. It's
got a good one, a good one because it's a
very debatable person and I know Joe's sitting there with

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a lot of steelers, just animosity built in there. But
before we hit nause, we have to hit frame fiction
Byell hold real fast, cheesy Gordida crunch.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Bye, I'm selling give me the Dorita's Locos taco and
I'm five layer of burrito. Baby. I don't got time
for that.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I just said, there's like six dollars now by themselves
when they used to be like two bucks.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
You're gonna get a soft taco for eighty six cents,
like what happened oh inflation?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Anyway, So nae. So, so you said Becton is now
going to be blocked and blocking for Nause. Nause is
in a totally new offense, in an offense that we
saw JK. Dobbins be very serviceable last season minus when
he was hurt. Where are we at on Nase? Is

(53:36):
it a buy so old? And really is the narrative
big enough on Nase's potential probability to be electric enough
to get you creditable value in a trade? Right like
as far as like if you're selling him or do
you just hold him in hope for like a solid
first six weeks and then sell him? Or are we
saying Nause is the dude He's going to produce for

(53:57):
you for the next couple of years. Here, you know,
on this team, where are we at? Dan hit us Off?

Speaker 5 (54:05):
I'm selling him because right now you can kind of
sell him for a second round pick, and that's where
a lot of these premium running backs are going. And
I think the narrative is big enough where you could
probably get two five or maybe even a little bit
earlier than that to all the things you just talked about, Tyler.
I mean, like the offensive line's there, He's in the
right system. Right, he's got a chance to actually maybe
efficient for once in his life. But the Chargers are

(54:27):
gonna draft the running back, and if Greg Roman's proven anything,
he will plays you running backs. So like, they only
sign him to a one year deal. It was nine million,
so he's gonna play like he's gonna obviously be involved,
but it's still only a one year deal. They did
not sign him to necessarily be the long term answer
unless he completely just pops off, which I don't think happens,
because they're gonna draft a running back in this class.
I'm not saying it's gonna be the first round, but

(54:47):
at some point, So that's what I would be concerned about,
and I wouldn't wait for that to happen to sell him, Like,
I don't think his value is necessarily going to get
a lot greater than what it is right now, even
if he starts off the season strong, because I'm going
to bet they're going to spend a second or third
round pick on one of these running backs that's going
to play a significant amount of time, So i'd sell them.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So really, and you're trying to sell him now, you're
trying to sell them pre NFL draft.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Yeah, I think his values higher now than it would
be later.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well, if you're watching, you better get in the in
your sleeper app or your ESPN app now and start working.
What about you, Timmy? Where you at see?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I've my feeling on Nauji has always been it depends
on the price. I bought him for two oh nine
like a year and a half ago, and I think
two oh five is like an adequate value, especially him
being the starter in with the Chargers, like a second
round pick for a starting running back that has the potential.
In my opinion, I think Nause's points should be really

(55:46):
focused on his touchdowns. Yes, whatever else he gives us
this kind of extra, but he does in a two
touchdown game, he does give you the opportunity to hit
twenty points. And for a second round pick, that's pretty good.
And in my opinion, the way I have a players
so far, I have like a fourteen player like first
fourteen players I have in a different group than the rest.

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So for me, two of five is really a negligible
pick unless, like players fall into really great landing spots
where I'd rather trade two of five back and get
multiple thirds and take two running backs there but I
don't really hate giving up two of five to secure
Anaji Harris in a Chargers offense I think should be
pretty good next year. But I also understand the risks
to that. But in the same way, it's kind of

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where I'm I'm framing where I have my player revaluate
evaluations anywhere anyway anyway already there and two of five
is kind of a dead spot for me.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Well, I think that's kind of what makes it like
the right value, right, you know what I mean, Like
you kind of see it either way at that spot,
So if you can get more than that, fantastic. But yeah,
I mean, look, I was super excited about it at first,
until I started thinking more about it. Was like, they're
gonna drive somebody else. It's gonna be someone high, and
it's great Roman and it's gonna be like a thirty
five forty these six He's split and it's like, oh,

(57:01):
it's gonna be so annoying. But I'm with you, like,
the Chargers offenseould be really good this year.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
And you know what, this reminds me of James Connor
in Arizona, and everybody's like, oh man, they drafted Trey
Benson like it's the end of James Connor. They're gonna
do all this stuff. I'm buying nauseia. I love nausea. Harris.
He has never missed a game. He is the only
player in history you have a thousand yards each of

(57:25):
the four seasons. Availability is your best friend in the
running back position because he is going to have pole
position in that room. Will they maybe add a second
running back? But he's not gonna let anybody else get
on the field because he doesn't get hurt. So, for me,
the biggest concern, and Dan pointed this out, being that
it's a one year deal. He's in a great situation

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this year. He could be playing for the Jets next year.
Like it could get ugly really fast. So that's kind
of the risk that I see. I'm not worried about
a rookie come in and usurping, even if he's in
a timeshare. We've seen him in a timeshare already and
he's put up a thousand yards every time. So to me,
it's like I would buy at the two oh five.
I would probably be willing to go up to like

(58:06):
probably like an early two if I had to. But
I feel good about Naji I would probably wait until
after the draft, the same point that Dan saying, Hey,
like do it now when they draft that running back
and everybody's like, oh man, like I can't believe it. Yeah,
and it's like, oh, here you go. Here's this random
guy that I drafted in the third round that I

(58:27):
can't even pronounce their name. You can have him. And
it's like, okay, cool.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
Here's one thing I'll add. If Najee Harris can get
back to catching the ball consistently, then throw out everything
I said so from that state, like because Justin Herbert
has a history of throwing it to the quarter of
running back and he's been missing that since his rookie
year because well, Jalen Warren had to take over that
kind of role, you know what I mean. So like
he has that acumen. It's just gonna depend on who

(58:53):
they draft. Like I'm I'm personally I'm really worried they
take like a Caleb Johnson or something like that.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Like I'm really you shouldn't be worried.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Then, yeah, exactly, Caleb Johnson's neppery good.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Oh, I will trade you Camp Scatibo for Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Where where where if I wouldn't care camp Scatable to
make make a trade with you.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
I have him, I'm trading him to you for Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Oh all right, No, I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Make that offer the tyler.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
You know what, I might trade you Scataboo for a country.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
I'm in Fine Jersey. He'll give you whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Collusion. Okay, So moving off Nause, I like the the talk.
You know, obviously there's a little bit of play here
if I can get something high for Nause. I mean,
he's twenty years old, and I'm not that age is
a huge defining factor for running backs or anything like that.
But you know, like you said, he's had good production.

(01:00:08):
I don't know if he's I don't know, if we'll see.
Like to me, he's a big we'll see. And like
I do believe after the draft, if they draft a
running back, his value definitely declines on what you can
get out of him. I mean, when when everybody's drafting
Jalen Warren over Nause the previous year, which was a
thing in half of leagues at least, you know, you

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know what's gonna happen if if they go and they
take somebody that can actually compete for that role, right,
So I think in that route, Dan's right, it's kind
of that risk like you either either you know, hold
your cards and hope for the big push, because if
they don't, if they wait till like round six or
seven to take somebody, Nause's value obviously then increases even more.

(01:00:53):
So maybe that what would have been a two four
or two five this year during this draft ends up
being a won something next year if they don't take
anybody they can compete. It's just kind of the risks
you play. But I we're gonna move on to another player.
We've only got, you know, we got a little bit,
very little bit more time, so I want to hit

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at least two more. So we have to kind of
make these takes quick here. But there was some really
good ones dumped off, and one of the big ones
for me was Chris Alave. Chris Alave came in as
a superior talent. We've seen him perform at high levels.
We've obviously there's the quarterback conundrum that has existed for

(01:01:33):
New Orleans for so long now, and even now there's
all the stuff that they're saying, oh, Derek Carr's shoulder, elbow,
whatever maybe shot, like you know, and we're wondering if
we're gonna see Spencer Rattler or Sdar Sanders this year
at quarterback for the Saints, and so what does that
do for your lave shares? Like, obviously the talent may

(01:01:56):
be there, but is the position there and is his
value really right now too low to even try to sell?
Where are we at on Chris Olave?

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Who'd you want to take it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I see the fact that it was silent for a
good second means it's a good question. So where we
got go ahead? Hit us off Dan Well.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
I actually had him listed as one of my buys.
Right now, He's got a lot of bad narratives, right
you have the concerns about the concussion, which is real,
like he's had a multiple conchestness. This is something you
have to think about. But now you also have the
whole fiasco with you know, what's gonna happen with Derek Carr.
He's having shoulder injury, He's gonna miss the season, He's
not gonna miss the season. If he does miss the season,
who's the quarterback situation? This kind of reminds me like

(01:02:40):
earlier in the show when I was talking about, like
the Breeze Hall trade. How I said, like, it may
not work out this year, but it's gonna work out
the year after. That's how I feel about Chris o'lave.
Even if it doesn't work this year, it's gonna work
the year after. Kellen Moore features his wide receiver one
Mari Cooper, Ceedee, lamb Aj Brown, Keenan Allen all had

(01:03:01):
fantastic years with Kellen Moore. That's what he does. And
what I'm really excited about is what did he do
with all those receivers. He let him play the slot
and the X. He actually let him move them around.
Chrystal Lobby. Could you imagine the guy got to move
around on the formation frustration you know, of him only
having to play the perimeter constantly for no reason. One

(01:03:21):
of the best route runners and this guy gets stuck.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Not be able to catch overthrown balls at out of bounds.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Yeah, exactly, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Bring the heat. I'm enjoying the energy, keep it coming.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
So my point being is that it may not get
better this year, but I am going to buy him
for twenty twenty six. That That's mostly my game plan
especially now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Yeah, I like the move I trust the talent. I
think if you are somebody that's looking to move off
of Chrystal Lave, we talked earlier about how the twenty
twenty seven draft class is looking to be a good one,
you might be able to sneak a first out of
that draft class. So if it's like, hey, like I'm
selling off, I think, like the injury stuff is too
scary for me. It's like, go shoot for the future,

(01:04:05):
go out and try to make something happen, and like
it's probably going to be more of a tear down
situation that you're gonna do that. But yeah, I think
even with the bad quarterback, you only need just a
couple passes to go your way to be fantasy relevant
if you are going to be the alpha in that offense,
So it doesn't scare me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
All that much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I think it's team dependent. Now. I think Chris o'lave
is a great player, and I think I would like
I'm on all of my teams. But let's say, and
I think you can also use the frame of the
concussion history as a way to try to discount the price,
the purchase price. But if I am sending out a
majority of my assets, that I can use to change

(01:04:42):
my roster up to get a Chris o Lave to
make him my wide receiver three and a start three,
and I don't have any bench players, and he can
get hurt and it ends up hurting me in the
long run, where I don't have my future picks, my
team's worse for the season, and I don't have a
way to cash in because I don't have my picks anymore.
That it's a situation I'm not I'm not happy about
if I'm buying Chris Olave. I want him to be

(01:05:03):
a maybe my white server four. Maybe why just in
the way I'm thinking about it, Maybe why my white
server five where not depending on him? But if he
works out, I'm shoving him right back in that lineup.
But I'm enjoying, you know, the crap out of him.
I don't want to be dependent on him week to
week until we see him healthy for multiple weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
In a row.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
It's all about value, baby, It's all about value.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I I like him like a lava equals diet Drake London,
you know it is. It is like sometimes when when
you have a high talent player like in I won't
go there when you have a high talent player.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Are you gonna say trailing Burks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
No, maybe when you have a high talent player whose
value has just like hit rock bottom because of situation.
Sometimes you just believe in the talent and you just
go get the talent. Like the reality is they're never
going to be cheaper, Like a lave is never going
to be cheaper than what he is right now. Like

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he's got bum quarterback syndrome, he's got Spencer Rattler looking
to potentially start, you know, like and nobody's paying attention
to the Kellen Moore take that you just talked about Dan,
So it's like, you know, you're never gonna gonna get
him cheaper than what you can get him right now.
And especially if they do anything at the quarterback position,

(01:06:26):
even if it's not this year, even if it's next year,
Like even if they go this year and they're like,
we're gonna play with whoever and we're gonna tank for
arch or whatever next season so we can get the
other arch manning, you know, and keep the legacy going. Sure, whatever,
but you you gotta buy on the player. And that's
where trying a lobby is obviously a talent his values low,

(01:06:46):
take advantage of it. That's what I think, That's what
we're kind of summing up here. So I want to
I want to really hit one more like strong fringe player. Uh,
this is a very debatable player amongst asps. Obviously really
high evaluation, but situation, and the situation really got better

(01:07:10):
in theory. But where we at twenty twenty five by
sell hold devon H Chain because I can tell you
that underdog everything else has him really high, really high,

(01:07:30):
and obviously his only his significant competition for touches is
now out. The question is obviously has always been in
a might be in a mc be dad offense. Can
we keep a running back healthy for the season or
are you you know, there's even the argument of do

(01:07:52):
you sell a chain knowing that there may be a
better running back sitting right behind a chain for an opportunity?
I don't know just about Alexander Madison, No, I'm not
talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Right with Timmy Yarrs was much more funnier. I'm glad
you said that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, Jalen, Right, but bring the heat. I mean, where
we at, where we at on a change? I mean,
because I think I think right now, if you're trading
for him. He's probably demanding like a first round pedigree.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Yeah I was, don't. I mean, I don't think you
can buy him, right, I mean the question is can
he sell them or do you want to hold him?
And to me, I want to hold him. Like the
guy had a crazy amount of targets last year. That's
not going to change. Like I don't know Mike McDaniel
gets back to his roots or not of Actually, you know,
you can throw the ball past the line of scrimmage
once in a while maybe, but with that offensive line

(01:08:46):
you might not be able to. And I think that
was the whole reason why they did what they did,
the combination of worrying about two concussions, talk about that
with the lave and that offensive line just not being good.
And you know, we'll see what they do in the draft,
but they have a long way to go piece that
thing back together. So while a chan you know, with
half of his efficiency as far as a running game,
but he gets all this volume the passing game. And

(01:09:07):
unless you're giving me gent plus another couple of first rounders, like,
I don't know if you're going to make that deal.
So I think I'm just holding them, Like if you
have a chan he's the perfect age. He gets the
work in the area that you want him too, which
isn't targets, and he's on an offense that wants to
feature the hell out of him. It doesn't get much
better than that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I think I want to sell, and the reason why.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Opposite, just immediately, I think I want to sell.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
The reason why. The reason why, and I think Dan
has talked a little bit about why there is some
protection against this being that he is a pass catcher,
is that there is a strong correlation between running back
performance and fantasy with wootball and the quality of team
that they play for. So if you play for a
team that wins, you're going to be a running back

(01:09:55):
that's going to do more because you're going to be
on the field more. You're not going to be they're
not be passing the ball to play catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
There's just a positive correlation between the teams with a
winning record and the running back position in fantasy. It's
just that is what it is now. I don't think
the Dolphins are gonna be very good. Tyreek Hill has
aged out to it. We don't really know what's going
on with him anymore. So for me, it's like a
if I'm looking at the values that you can get,
if I can trade ach hand for say Garrett Wilson,

(01:10:23):
sign me up for that all day. That's that's the
current keep trade cut value is Garrett Wilson the one
oh four one oh five in super flex. So in
a draft where you have depth at the running back position,
I can still draft my eight Han replacement. If I
have a need for a wide receiver, let me go
get an alpha wide receiver that's young, and I feel like,

(01:10:45):
to me, that's gonna be a net win. So I
think he's at a peak value RB five. I get
that he's only twenty three. I get that he's the
prominent role in the offense, but I don't know, I
don't I just don't see it long term. And like
I said, running year over year is just so volatile.
The Dolphins seem like they're trending down. So even if
he is going to be the featured off the running

(01:11:07):
back in that offense, I don't know if I want
a part of that for the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Who it's so tough. Twenty three year old RB five,
second year in the in the league, he finishes RB
five over what fourteen hundred almost fifteen hundred all purpose yards? Oh,
it's so difficult. What if you trade them away? If

(01:11:33):
you sell him, what is what do you get?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
What's worth it? I mean in like he finishes like
he did last year RB five with somebody else in
the running back room. Not to say that Mike mc
daniel won't use other people, but what's the price. If
you have a chain and you're selling them, what are
you trying to get? What's enough? We think, Timmy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Well, I like Frick is speaking to my soul, okay,
because I love trading running backs for wide receivers, But
I think a chain is one of the only like
five or six running backs that truly actually matter. I
understand that, not counting rookies, but like a lot of
the other ones are kind of interchangeable, and like a
chain's one that kind of stands apart. So if I'm

(01:12:20):
trying to win, I'm probably not selling them. But if
I'm selling them, I definitely want to try to shift
into kind of a similar tier wide receiver where I
have a chain in one of the top two or
three tiers, depending on how they're how they kind of fall,
but he's top six for me, So I'd want to
try to fall into that top ten, top six type
of wide receiver. If I'm making that transition, even though

(01:12:43):
the window might be considered shorter, I can I can
sell on what would be considered a very high ceiling
for the running back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
But if keep tray Cut has him at one four,
evaluate Gary Wilson one four, one five? Are you trading
a chain for the one four?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Is the absolutely not?

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
I would want to proven player because you already can
see what he can do at the running back position.
So it's like that's why I would go like in
the receiver direction because it's like, all right, like I'm
getting a proven player at another position to kind of
rethrow the lottery pick. It's just like, all right, well
if you trade him and then the guy that you
pick up as a bust, well then you're trading him

(01:13:22):
hoping that he can return the value for the running
back you already have.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Well, let's make this real relative right now, because the
draft's coming up, right Timmy, would you trade let let's
let's say this is post draft and Gent goes the Raiders.
Would you trade Devon a Chan for Gent in that scenario, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Probably would, like I think the scenario really matters, but
like I have to realize how good a Chain has been,
but also I have to realize how good Genty could
be as well. But I don't think there's any other
running back I would go straight up before in this
class whatsoever for. And I'm not trading Tent for him.
I mean I'm keeping him over Tent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
So agreed, Goyatti said, night gents, I'm buying the A
train before his Austin Eckler type season streaks start. You
know that's my question. You know, I almost wonder, and
this is because in my leagues at least, I haven't
heard enough of a of a churning on a chain.

(01:14:19):
So like I'm thinking during draft, if I'm sitting at
the one seven, the one nine, maybe that might be
enough to buy h chain. Would you do it? Like
if you if you if you're sitting at that pick,
are you buying?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
I would do it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
So there you have it. Guys, if you're during the
draft and you have somebody messaging you and they're trying
to get your one seven, they're trying to get your
one ten, your one nine, whatever, uh buy Trav says
a chain feels fickle from a long term perspective. I
don't disagree with that. But at the current state, he's
twenty three years old, he just finished, so his rookie

(01:15:04):
season RB twenty four, last season RB five, you know,
fifteen hundred y'all purpose, twelve touchdowns. It that's the kind
of production you're looking for. And even if they do
bring somebody, or even if Jalen Rights starts to do
Jalen Right things and everything that we hope he can be,

(01:15:25):
at that point, it's still a question mark of you know,
what's the value and does it really matter? And so
if you can get a chain late, especially like a
late first rounder, or even if you have somebody that's
trying to get rid of him and you can get
him an early second deal, deal deal, that seems to

(01:15:45):
be the consensus. But if you can get gent at
the one one and he goes to a team that's relevant,
maybe you don't where we're at. So anyways, it is
fifteen minutes past the hour, and uh, I agree with Trav.
Jalen Right is going to be dope this year. I'm

(01:16:06):
really excited about that. Jalen Right is a deep bye.
You could probably get him for a fourth round pick,
unless somebody thinks that they know their stuff and then
they're probably holding. But if you get somebody sleeping, you
might just win your league, especially because again in what
season ever has might be Daniel been able to keep

(01:16:26):
a healthy running back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Room last year?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
No, No, his main running back was injured all season.
Like it's like he can't keep San Francisco we saw
multiple running backs grace the starting role presence because they
couldn't keep it well healthy. It's his thing. I don't
know what it is about it. I don't know what
he does is exactly that separates him, But he cannot

(01:16:53):
keep his running back room healthy. They end up going
with whoever at the end of the season. A Chain
was the trend breaker last season as really, I think
the first running back that I know of to make
it through a full season off the top of my
hand a head and it might be Daniel offense, but uh, anyways.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Don't blame him for Elijah Mitchell. Okay, that's noth I do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Blame him Elijah, Like there was like, what was that
that last season in San Francisco they went through like
six guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
It's like the Browns quarterback Jersey. It's like injured running
backs under Mike McDaniels, and it just.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Dear Lord, bless him, bless him. Now look it is
again eighteen minutes past hour. Thank you so much for
tuning in every week as an absolute blast from the
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always a pleasure. Just real quick, before we tune out,

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they can find you on Twitter or they can follow
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Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
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You can reach out if you have any questions. Dms
are open and I'm not making content any uss at
this point, so that's where all. That's where I'll be
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Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I know it was smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Look, I was literally thinking about last night. Last night.
I was like, man, I gotta deliver these words with
more annunciation. I gotta be like I gotta raise and
lower my voice. I gotta bring the energy. You know,
that is if, especially when we be on a show
with Dan Mader. You know the voice of angels when
it comes to podcast hosts. Now. Seriously, thank you guys

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for tuning in. It's always a pleasure. We'll see you
next week nine o'clock Central Time from the forum. Have
a good night and good luck in your drafts. We are.

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