Super Bowl Special & Dynasty is here 🏈 Fantasy Football Q&A "From the Forum"

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
What so, what so? What's up? Everybody is nine o'clock
PM and we're here. Super Bowl is this weekend and
you guys don't know it, but Super Bowl Sunday ship
is a very special day in the life of all
T brad in that it is on my birthday this year,

(00:48):
eBay ninth. Super pumped. How you guys feeling Chiefs Eagles? Joe?
I know you were talking right before the show. You
have no idea who it's gonna be it. If you
had to pay, if you had to be if you
had to put some money on it, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
So my golden rule in playoff football is that you
always pick the team that has the better quarterback. And
Patrick Mahomes obviously is the better quarterback. I think that
the Eagles have a better team, but I think that the.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Chiefs are going to find a way to get it
done somehow. I don't want them to. If it was
up to me, there would be a tie. I hate
the city of Philadelphia with the passion. I can't stand it.
I don't want to see the Chiefs three peet It
just would be annoying. So it's like, I'm all for
the tie, but we all know that's not going to happen,
or says Eagles. My head says Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
What you Biggs, I'm you know, Uh, it's it's the
way that I frame it is kind of like with
Mike Evans. Uh, he's gonna have a thousand yards every season.
You don't want to be the first guy that bets
on him not having a thousand yards in a season.
You don't want to be the guy that bets on
the Chiefs not winning the Super Bowl because they're gonna

(02:11):
do it, and eventually you might be correct, But I
don't think it's this year. I think I think they
their team is made to do enough to win regardless
of who they're playing against. And you give Andy Reid
two weeks to prep, you give Patrick Mahomes, you know,

(02:34):
I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles defense has a great defense,
and defense wins championships, but it's Patrick Mahomes. It's the
chefs and the refs, and this, this is not This
is not the Super Bowl that I bet against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
What you think, Let's go to the legendary ball no
where the nowhere of all things ball? Are you with
the Chiefs?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 6 (03:03):
So I have just sat in deep thought about this
since I realized that josh Allen was not going to
be able to get this thing done. Ever since I
realized Lamar wasn't gonna be able to get this thing done.
Jalen Hurts is our only hope. Jalen Hurts and the

(03:23):
Fighting Saquons are on the cusp of history. Saquon is
about to punctuate one of the greatest postseasons.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Well, if they win, it'll be the greatest post.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Because he has punctuated the greatest postseason in playoff football history,
and that's going to lead to an Eagles win. Now,
the Chiefs gave up one hundred and thirty nine yards
on sixteen touches to James Cook. Now we would all
agree that James Cook is a totally different back than Saquon, Right,

(03:55):
So whatever.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Magic they had, what they were just stopping to run
and all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
So I'm going with the Eagles the money line, Saquon's
rushing over. Sorry if I'm getting ahead of myself, I'm
getting excited. I don't know why I'm yelling. But also,
here's the deal. Eagles by one million, by one million
is a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
All right, So I wouldn't bet Eagles on the over
of one million. You'll probably lose everything that you bet.
Actually you will lose.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
But you know, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
But if it did, the odds have to be the
odds have to be insane.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Then be the second richest person on earth, behind the
owner of ex Twitter.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
But behind Jamie pirog who has eighty plus eighty thousand.
For the Browns to win.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Six, you know it's gonna be a tough game either way.
We got mad scientists. Something there. What's up, y'all? Thanks
for tuning in partner, we got Grimberg. What's up, fellas?
Thanks for tuning in? Berg? Brent always there. What's up guys?
Thanks for tuning in. Brent, go chief, says Grindberg. You
know I saw a stat today, you know, mahomes in

(05:07):
his career. I think there was like he's only played
like twelve games actually indoors, and in those twelve indoor games,
he is undefeated, convincing.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Like even if you were to like how many games
he lost, Like it's like.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm with you, but like.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
You know what, you know what that means to me?
You know what that means to me?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
He is due, He's due. That is hardcore analysis.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
He's just analysis. I have a brand, and you know,
I know.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
He's due, He's due. It's it's that's crack analysis. It
reminds me of a of the stat that the top
two home run brothers of all timer Hank Aaron and
his brother right like, like the the top two home
run like father dad combination of all time Barry Bonds
and his dad. Like, it's that kind of thing. Patrick

(06:07):
mahomes undefeated indoors. But really, how much how much does
he lose? Period? He doesn't lose at all. They go
fourteen to two, fourteen and three every year. How many
games does he lose? Period?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
All the games too, He's never lost one inside, So
of all the games that he's lost, none of them
have been inside. Not that that that was just a
random stat you know. Obviously there's all kinds of things
like that that make their way out to creating narratives
in the media that get people excited. Sure, it's going
to be a good game. You know, if if you

(06:44):
had to pick a player, if you had to pick
a player that you think has an unexpectedly good outing,
maybe somebody that you're taking a low line on for
this game. You know, receptions or receiving yards or rushing yards.
You know who's the player that you're you're willing to

(07:06):
bet on you think it's really gonna have a good game.
We'll start with you, ball nowher Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
The Chiefs were the second worst team in the NFL
to the tight end uh and fantasy points allowed this season,
and so I think that this game plan, I mean
Trey McDuffie's gonna be I mean they play a ton
of pressman coverage, and I mean as good as as
good as their corners are in press man, I don't
think that their linebackers are as good in past coverage,

(07:36):
and so that led to them getting roasted by the
tight end whenever they played man. So if there was
somebody unexpected to have a big game, it is Dallas
Goddard who shows up all over like the am I
good tight end spectrum, like the hot crazy matrix, and
like he could just be anywhere at any point in time.
And you don't know, but I think this time he's

(07:57):
gonna show up in the unicorn category in big game,
Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
So what do you know what his line is? I
was trying to look it up.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Let me see, I can probably I bet you it's
below forty.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Receiving yards.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
He it's.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Let's see, they have his over under a fifty two
and a half and a half.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
What about receptions receptions over under four and a half.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I want the over on four and a half.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
He's tied with AJ Brown for targets for them in
the postseason as well. He's actually leading their team in
receiving so he's got fifteen receptions, one hundred and eighty
eight yards and a TD. Obviously, they haven't been throwing
the ball a ton, but him and AJ Brown have
been the top two target getters. I think what's interesting
what you said about them playing a lot of press coverage.
AJ Brown is one of the best in the business

(08:56):
at handling press as well. I mean, mcdubf he's a beast.
But I I don't know if they can contain it.
It's gonna be really interesting to see how the Eagles
scheme this up, because I I don't know. It's that
offense is just unreal.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
So that sounds like McDuffie schemes up a J. Brown.
But that leaves Goddard open.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, I think that they're gonna They're gonna try to.
I think Godard's gonna have a game that that was
my number one like take as far as like on
the betting slip this this week. I they're gonna try
to use Saquon. They're gonna you know, and then I
think we're gonna see a little bit of play action
there and on play action, you know, with that secondary,
I think Goddard sees more of the mid mid range

(09:41):
underneath targets as Jalen Hurst is trying to get rid
of it. You know, he's the Chiefs have a decent
pass rush, so he's gonna get he's gonna have to
and he's more likely to throw underneath in those situations
as we've seen. You know, Uh, Jalen Hurts is not
one to just chunk it downfield. He's not a Josh
Allen in that he tries to play it a little
bit safe or he runs. So yeah, what about you, Biggs,

(10:07):
who what's the player you're targeting as far as the
lines go.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
So I've been looking at the at the MVP lines
and we're talking about like plus eight thousand on specific
defensive players and it tends to be either the quarterback
or some kind of like defensive marvel. I'm looking at
like read Blanket Ship, Zach Bond having a pick six

(10:34):
to like be the game winner. Throwing a dollar on
that and getting plus eight thousand Zach Goddard is another
good play. So I mean we're talking like we're betting
in the in the twenty dollars range and looking at like,
you know, plus one thousand dollars coming back to you.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
You're taking one of the exciting ones to win the
Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I mean, you got to take a chance because every
is gonna be like Mahomes is plus one oh five
for MVP. Like, of course, Patrick Mahomes is probably gonna
win the MVP. But is that where you want your
money going. No, you want your money going on the
hard line, And uh, let's go red blanket Ship, let's
go Zach Bond, Let's go something crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So the crazy thing is like we've seen it. We've
we've seen that narrative, you know, and Joe, I know
you're a Steelers fan. You've seen the narrative. You've seen
a James.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Harrison Madam Brown to take a take.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
A pick six to the to the hissy to lock
in a Super Bowl run, you know, and it wasn't enough.
It wasn't enough. So I mean, like what beyond that,
Like how big of a game does a Zach Bond
or Reblake Ship have to have to even be in
the consideration. Even if let's say Saquon has a menial game,

(11:57):
he gets seventy five yards in a touchdown, Jalen hurts
one touchdown, you know, for and one hundred and fifty yards,
you know, they win. It's a defensive bat Like I
still don't know that. I don't know. You know, it's
like one of those It's kind of like the MVP races,
you know in actual NFL, Like it's such a quarterback

(12:17):
award or you know in that Super Bowl that James
Harrison ran it back. I think actually san Antonio or
san Antonio Holmes got MVP for that Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Well, let me just jump in before Joe goes. Malcolm
Brown of the Dallas Cowboys got the MVP and the
Super Bowl and turned it into like a twenty million
dollar contract. Mean, Larry Brown, Larry Larry Brown, Sorry, yeah,
Larry Brown, Larry Brown. I guesst the Steelers No, it

(12:48):
wasn't Larry.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
No, it wasn't Larry.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
It was a Brown. His name was Brown. He played
for the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
You right, I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
He made money, what I mean? And that's that's the
kind of thing that like, I'll throw a.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Who's the last Super Bowl MVP? Von Miller? Was that
the last defensive Super Bowl MVP?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So before that he had Malcolm Smith for Seattle. He
had an interception for a TD fumble recovery, ten tackles.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
What was I was looking for?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Barry Brown? Is the two interceptions for the Cowboys that
you're talking about ninety four?

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, it was the right place, right time he got Yeah. Yeah,
that dude was terrible.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
He was He got a twenty million dollar contract.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
He ruined my childhood, tricking me into being a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
First, that's all.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What about you, Joe? Who you what's the line that
you're taking this week?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
The one that pops out to me is like super
easy money is Exavier Worthy is over under for rushing
yards of six and a half. He's probably going to
see a couple of carries like he usually gets them.
In the first quarter of games. The way that Philly's
defense stacks up. I don't see really Pacheco doing a
whole lot. I don't see like Kareem Hunt could have

(14:11):
some chunk to it. But I don't really see anything there.
But I think like they're gonna try to find ways
to get Xavier Worthy of the ball. He him and
Kelsey have really been the focal points for the offense.
Kelsey really just in that Divisional round game, he was
pretty quiet against Buffalo. I could see the Eagles trying
to hone in on him. That being said, tight ends
have been tearing the Eagles up in the playoffs. Zach

(14:32):
Ertz pretty much got fed the ball every time that
the Commanders had the ball out a couple of weeks ago.
But that Xavier Worthy over seems like a good one.
The other one that pops out to me, Marquise Brown,
Hollywood Brown, Like they've been trying to get the long
ball with him, so I could see him like I
think like they said that, like his longest completion is

(14:53):
like the over under on that's like eighteen yards. He
has like eight or nine targets where they've been trying
to make that happen. This could be the game that
happens otherwise, Like to me, it's like, go after bet
on Saquon, Like I know that that stuff's there, but like,
dude's ataging one hundred and fifty seven yards a game.
Like I hate betting on props because I feel like

(15:14):
I'm so bad on it. So it's like, why not
just do the thing that is easiest, or like pick
like heads or tails in the coin toss, because then
I'm like, at least it's fifty to fifty, it's good odds.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
You know, I saw a thing that was saying, probably
your best bet to win was the the under on
the national anthem. Now I have no idea. I never
bet on things like that. You know, typically I'm a
game game prop sky, but I hear that it's the
way to go. So who knows. But you know, we're

(15:46):
excited for the Super Bowl. I'm excited for the game
we actually, uh you know, we've we've got I'm hoping
for for a high scoring game, hoping that we're gonna
see a lot of points. I know, you got two
decent defenses, so it's probably gonna be your standard, you know,
twenty something thirty something points per team game. But you know,

(16:08):
I'm excited about it.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
So over under is forty eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think, yeah, So I mean I I I think
I take I think I take the over.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
It's so hard on Super Bowls because they tend to
turn into like twenty to ten.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So the prop for the national anthem is one hundred
and twenty point five seconds, so you just show over
two minutes.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
All right, let's let's time this out. Oh say.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
You're gonna have a grinder.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Don't have a beautiful voice, Bigs. But I watched our
viewer counter and like as soon as you started singing,
it dropped like ten, So I had that fair I'm
just kidding. Actually, I think we gained like four viewers now,
So Biggs, I know you have been traveling. You you know,
Senior Bowl. You're now down in New Orleans Super Bowl.

(17:05):
You know, I want to kind of backtrack. And this
is in connection with you know, Grimberg's Sugar Sanders to
the Titans.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
That's just Grinberg messing with show.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'm sure it is. But you know, like Senior Bowl
were excited, like you know, at this point, you're like
it's funny in fantasy. It's like people are sure they're
okay with the Super Bowl, but there's nothing really on
the line unless they're playing props or something like that.
Everybody's kind of flipped to Dynasty, right like, we want
to know what's going what moves we need to make,
you know, And there's already trades happened. There's already Dynasty

(17:41):
startups happening, and I'm like, oh my god, not another league,
you know, but they're going right. Yeah, So you know,
you've been watching some of the talent. The Senior Bowl
especially was a big one. What were some of the
highlights some of the things that you saw that you
left going like okay, wow, this changed my perspective or

(18:01):
you need to be paying attention to this person.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
So yeah, A couple of weeks ago, I left. I
left the comfort of my home, flew down to Mobile, Alabama,
attended the Senior Bowl practices, watched the Senior Bowl game,
and then got a rental car drove to I'm in
Baton Rouge. I'm here as media for the Super Bowl,

(18:25):
and I've been doing a lot of scouting and a
lot of that was Senior Bowl stuff. I saw a
lot of the Senior Bowl I saw. I saw a
lot of guys. Chev and I have talked about this
a lot. I saw a lot of guys that didn't
do much to lower their stock. Basically they did what
was expected. I saw some guys that ruined their stock,

(18:50):
and I saw some guys that absolutely jumped off the
page did more than what I expected. And especially in
Dynasty going into your rookie drafts, there are some guys
like Elijah Arroyo, the Miami tight end. That dude showed
a whole lot at the Senior Bowl in terms of

(19:12):
he was the one that everybody was talking about. There
was not anywhere that you could go during the first
four days of practices where people were not talking about
how Elijah Arroyo was blowing minds. He didn't get a
whole lot of run in Miami with cam Ward at quarterback,

(19:33):
but he does absolutely everything on the field. He blocks,
he's athletic, he's an end zone target, he's big. Everything
that you want from a tight end and everything that
you expect somebody to come into the NFL. There are
two different kinds of tight ends in the NFL. There

(19:53):
are your big slot wide receiver types and then there
are your inline tight end types. And there's not a
lot of inline tight end types that break out early,
and Elijah Royo is kind of a perfect mix of
both of those in that he can start. He can
do the things that NFL coaches go, oh okay, I

(20:14):
want to put him in line right now, but he can.
He also has the athleticism to work out into pass
routes and perform. The other couple guys that kind of
blew my mind were the Iowa State kids, Jayden Higgins
and Jalen Knowle. Jalen Knowle is a route runner with

(20:35):
precision that I comped to Hunter Renfro. So if you
remember peak Hunter Renfro his second or third year in
the league, there were some things that he was doing
with his route running skills that just with his footwork,
he was leaving four to six yards of separation between
him and the defender. Jalen Knowles doing that now. The

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other guy is Jaden Higgins from Iowa State.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
He's six three two seventeen. That dude won everywhere on
the field. So he was running short crossing routes and
making linebackers fall over. He was running go routes and
absolutely cooking defensive backs. He was running like boundary routes
and high pointing the ball with like body twisting agility.

(21:24):
Those two guys absolutely blew my mind. And then the
last one is Olli Gordon. Olli Gordon, of all of
the running backs that were there for the Senior Bowl,
looked like the guy that belongs. He's six ' one
two twenty five plus two thirty three I think was
his uh measured weight. He's fast. We saw him in

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twenty twenty three have a superior NCAA season that kind
of went down in twenty twenty four. But it's those
kind of post hype prospects that we want to look at.
The guys that had an early breakout and then kind
of like fell off a little bit. Those tend to
be the guys that absolutely profile for Super NFL success.

(22:08):
And Olie Gordon is that dude for me. So basically
Jaden Higgins, Ollie Gordon, Elijah Arroyo. I'll throw Jackson Dart
in there because he didn't he didn't do anything to
kind of like hurt his stock or whatever. But those
are those are the four guys at the different positions
that I was impressed by.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So BHS Cardinal sixteen came in and said, are there
any quarterbacks actually worth anything in this class? So you
mentioned Jackson Dart at the combine, and I know I
can see Chev there is like.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Chev hates it. I love Jackson Dart. Chev hates it.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
So from the Senior Bowl you were impressed with what
you saw from dark.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
No, no, no, that's not what I said. What I
said was Jackson Dart did what I expected him to do.
There was nothing impressive. It was just status quo. He
looked like the one quarterback that was there that was
NFL ready and could do the things that an NFL
quarterback needed to do. Everybody else was kind of like

(23:13):
Dylan Gabriel threw a good ball, but he was too short.
This other guy, Tyler Schuck, he was like he was good.
Everybody else had like they had a good or bad week.
But Jackson Dart was like he stepped in there. He
had the week he was supposed to have and that
was it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
My guy a Memphis Seth Hinnigan even had had him
a little weak at the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Well, no, he he had a great Saturday. He was
absolutely terrible. Three days of practice he was I had
him in my notes as the worst quarterback there love.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
They text me. He texted me and was like Seth
Hinnigan sucks. And he say his name right.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
He was like Seth handa Maker like he was completely
Like when text me, I was like, hey, how's the
quarterback from Memphis look striped helmet? It's like Seth Hannamaker sucks.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
He was terrible. And then Saturday, like during the game,
like that final drive, he was just like dot dot
dot dot dot game winner.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Like.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Perform when the lights come on, Bud, we talk about
lights came on, like, but throughout the week like he
was terrible.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Jackson Dart was like he was he was finder in
the game, he was finder in the week. There there
are other reasons why, uh he is my QB one
of this twenty twenty five class.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
But uh yeah, she looks like he's about to explode.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Chev hears this almost every day. He knows what's coming, you.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Know, Chev. I not that I'm with you, Biggs, but
this is probably and I kind of side with bh
Cardinals question. I think it's a valid question. You know,
are there any quarterbacks worth anything in his class? Like
this is not a class where I'm going like I'm
psyched to get to try to draft this guy, like
I really want to get this guy out of the draft.

(25:14):
Like if I have the one one, this is who
I'm looking for, you know, or even if I have
the one three, like, this is who I'm trying to get.
I don't know if there are any franchise guys, but
you know, like you look at at Jackson Dart right,
Like if you put Jackson Dart in Tennessee and him
and Will Levis battle out for the starting quarterback position,

(25:34):
I think Jackson Dart will take it.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Man, that's like the Battle of Mid like, but that's
what we have.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I mean, you get that, like we had that in
the Raiders this year, and I know you hate that,
you know, Biggs, but you know the Aid and O'Connell
and gard Minshew, Gardner Minshew, it's like the Battle of
Mid like they're both Mid. Even though we hope for greatness,
like we hoped Gardner with the stash and his air
raid background could come in and do it AOC had

(26:03):
sparks where we're like, okay, he could be the sleeper
that we all wanted him to be. But we get
Mid right, And so you know, obviously, Chef, you might
have a different opinion. Is there somebody in this class
that you're like, I'm not leaving the draft without this quarterback,
like this is the guy that I want that I
think's worth it.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
So to answer your question, No, I don't think that
there's a guy in this class like I think that
you know, if Michael Pennix was in this class, he
would be the number one quarterback. There's no quarterback from
There's no quarterback from this class that would be in
that top six. Like you could maybe argue against JJ McCarthy,

(26:45):
but JJ McCarthy was young, and he put it on
film and he's super athletic and all that other stuff.
Like any one of those top six quarterbacks from last
year would be the number one quarterback in this class.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
So no, And I've gone on record as saying like
I don't necessarily want to.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Draft a quarterback as a Titans fan, Like I want
to draft the best player available.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
We were three and fourteen, We're not just a quarterback away.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Like, let's build through talent, Like let's follow the example
of like Detroit for example, Like they go and get
a bunch of talent and then you fill in, like
you start to fill in the gaps, and then you
have a guy who can come in and be like
the transmission. He doesn't have to be the engine like
Joe Burrow, and you're built like and now you've got

(27:28):
a whole unit around the guy, so he doesn't have
to do everything to win a game. So, yeah, the
Eagles too, So to you to answer your question, absolutely not, No, no, no,
I don't think that there's I did a thought exercise
and I came up with at best his brain, Like,
at best you draft cam Ward and he's the fourteenth

(27:53):
best quarterback over the next three years, Like is he
gonna be better than Baker Mayfield?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
No?

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Is it gonna be better than is gonna be better
than Bryce Young?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Probably not?

Speaker 6 (28:02):
Is gonna be better than He's gonna be better than
Trevor Lawrence? Maybe he shows up all over the matrix,
so you know, but now he's got leadam Cohen, Like,
is he going to be better than any of the
top quarterbacks in the AFC?

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Absolutely not, Like you're hoping that he's better than Tua.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think it's a I think
it's a tough sled in for this class. And that's
why you know, as a Titans fan, I think that
there are guys that you can get that can come
in and compete for that role in the lates in
the third round, like you might could gig grab you know,
Quinn Yours. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (28:40):
I have the answer.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Are you ready Will Howard? If you're gonna draft a guy,
I want Will Howard. Yeah, get Will Howard in the
second round or the third round, develop him, let him.
I love Will Howard. Biggs is all is all super
juiced up for Jackson Dark. I kind of feel that
way about Will Howard. We don't have to get into
that now, but yeah, Will Howard would be the guy

(29:03):
if I would if I was gonna take you on
day two or day three, that's my guy.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
So I was interesting is.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That if you look back last year when they were
thinking about whether or not Shader was gonna like declare,
they had him in that like three to QB, three
to four of the class last year. So it's interesting
how like the perception of the extra season has kind
of like killed his stock a little bit. But he
also has the benefit of being in a worst ub
class that pushes him up a bit. So it's like

(29:31):
I don't know, like Aus if you look everything from
last year, like even people that I wasn't interested in,
like Bnix, I didn't think he was gonna be amounting
to anything from a fantasy perspective, He's been more than
great for like what you would have expected where you
drafted a mat. So it's like if he would have declared,
like does that work out for him? Maybe the one

(29:51):
guy that I'm actually interested in those Tyler show from Louisville.
I think that he could actually be pretty sneaky. I've
liked what I've seen from He had some really interesting
like arm angles and just ability to navigate the pocket
when he plays. Will have the lost of good quarterbacks
in their history.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
So yeah, Tyler Shuck was actually one of the guys
at the Senior Bowl that he didn't He didn't do much,
but you know we talked about that not losing as
a form of winning, right, and so like he he
didn't do anything to like kind of trip those little

(30:31):
triggers where it's like, oh, that was bad, Oh that
was bad. Like Jalen Milroe. Jalen Milroe had an absolutely
terrible first couple of days at practice where it was
like that's not that's not going to translate to the NFL.
He's not going to be a good NFL quarterback. Tyler
Shuck basically played through through the practice sessions as like,
did exactly what he was supposed to do, and he

(30:52):
was the quarterback that, according to his practice opposition, was
voted as the best the m v P of quarterbacks.
So the way that the Senior Bowl works is they
have the American team and the National team. The American team,
they have all of their defensive players go against all
of their offensive players through the practice sessions, and then

(31:13):
at the end of those three days of practices, those
defensive players will vote on who the MVP was of
the offensive players, and Tyler Schuck one out of the quarterbacks.
Jackson Dart was the other one. I wanted to throw
this out there because we're deep in Jackson Dart territory
right now. And for those of you who play fantasy

(31:34):
football and especially watch the Fantasy Forecast, the Grand Brick
and Biggs, we have a guy over at the end Droppables,
which share the Dynasty Pulse, and he's at ff coder
on Twitter, and he has a quarterback model. I don't
know what the criteria is but he comes up with

(31:55):
a model score based on college statistics, and the very
top of his model is Trevor Lawrence and then Deshaun Watson.
When we think back a few years, Trevor Lawrence and
Deshaun Watson, both of them coming out of Clemson. They
were like, this is the best prospects since Andrew Luk.

(32:18):
Number three in the score is Kayla Williams, then Justin Fields,
Jalen Hurts, Jane Daniels, c J. Stroud, Joe Burrow, Justin
Herbert Kyler, Murray, Drake May, Patrick Mahomes, and then Jackson Dart.
So Jackson Dart is right there. Under Patrick Mahomes, he
would have been the QB four in the twenty twenty
four class, behind Jane Daniels, kayleb Williams and Drake May.

(32:39):
Then we have Trey Lance, Bryce Young, Dak Prescott, Hendon Hooker,
JJ McCarthy, Baker Mayfield, Dwayne Haskins, La Mark Jackson. Now,
so obviously context is very important, especially with an analytical model.
Landing spot is a huge thing. Who they have as
the quarterbacks coach is a huge thing. Who they have
to throw to is a huge thing. But as far

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as like what they've done in college. The fact that
Jackson Dart is where he is in this model, especially
the fact that he's ahead of every quarterback in the
twenty twenty five class, is huge. Another Undroppables guy, Jackson Falcone,
has his anatomy of a Dynasty quarterback. He takes essentially
the last four or five years of guys that finished

(33:23):
as top twelve Dynasty quarterbacks. He figures out what their
minimal thresholds as far as their college performance is and
runs that through and we have Jackson Dart hitting every
single threshold except for I want to say, his touchdown

(33:45):
in interception ratio and his total number of touchdowns in
his best season. But he blows away the rushing yards.
He's right there in size. He blows away, like the
college experience, all of the things that the last the
top two Ulvin Dynasty as quarterbacks do. Jackson Dart is
right there. Chador Sanders and cam Ward are not. And

(34:10):
I'm I'm not a tape guy, but I watch. I
watch tape on Jackson Dart and there are a lot
of progress things that I've seen from twenty twenty two
to twenty twenty four that really impressed me along the
lines of what I saw from twenty twenty one to
twenty twenty three Michael Pennox and Bonix. I think Jackson
Dart has the highest upside of any of the quarterbacks

(34:31):
in this class. And I'm letting everybody take Shador Sanders
and cam Ward and then I'm just waiting and I'll
pluck Jackson Dart.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
There you have it, folks, Jackson Dart is big, gotta
take it guy, you know, really loving that. Yeah, I
don't hate the Jackson dark take. I know legendary Baldooner
over there is just hates it, hates it, but you know,
I don't mind it. We'll obviously see and it just

(35:05):
goes to show. I mean, there's nobody in this class
that we're just like absolutely you know.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I would be shocked if the QB goes at one
oh one and like a Dynasty Superflex this year.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
It's not happening.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Brent. Brent popped in in he said, who is the
best running back in this class? It feels like the
NFL is ready for the next class. Uh that's a
good good I mean, killer thought. And you know, like
last year was wide receiver heavy and we got some
killer wide receivers at it reminds me of like the
CD class, right, like, you know, we got we got

(35:40):
lad we got Brian Thoms Junior, we got League neighbors, Like,
we got so many people that just like boomed, you know,
yeah McMillan, but even like you get.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
The Marvin Harrison junior, which is just crazy to think
about all the hype going into last year for him
and you didn't even list him in your top five.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I know, but even like he was. Yeah, obviously with rookies,
you know, you always hope for more, but we haven't
had rookies like like both Brian Thomas Junior and Elite
Neighbors both finished inside of the top ten PPR Fantasy
points this season at the position as rookies that typically
doesn't happen. You know, you got McConkie finishing I think

(36:20):
right inside the top fifteen or right at fifteen, somewhere
right around there. And uh, but we saw you know,
you look at CDs rookie season and you're looking at
like T Higgins rookie season, you're looking at eight hundred yards,
you know, something like that, and we saw twelve hundred
yards from Brian Thomas Junior almost thirteen hundred, you know,
and and and a lot of that came from Mac Jones.

(36:40):
So it didn't even matter, like who was that quarterback?
You know, it wasn't because he was with t Law
in an excellent system, Like he just made place. And
so you know, we saw a really heavy wide receiver
class with not a ton to offer at running backs.
But we got a couple of gyms in there, right,
But this class seems to be the other way around.

(37:01):
It seems to be stacked at the running back position,
which is not traditional. And you know, like like Brent said,
it does feel like we're kind of hitting that turning
of the tide. Or we have a lot of like
aged guys that may be on their way out, like
and not completely on their way out. But you know,
you got Aaron Jones, you know, you got Derrick Henry,

(37:22):
you got you know, all these people that are playing
like in their thirties, uh, you know, and so needless
kind of all that to say, are there who's the
best running back in the class? And Joe, you start
us off, who's your number one guy? Like the best?
And I know obviously there's a lot of people are
gonna go automatically to the Heisman candidate who played at Boise,

(37:45):
who played really incredible defenses. You know, uh, but like,
who who's the guy you're just absolutely jacked on for
this season?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I mean yeah, I mean action is that guy. So
it's like we don't need to make him more complicated
than it is. Like he is the like the best player.
He's gonna be one zero one this year in the drafts,
like that is what it is. I said this like
a month or so ago, but Amarin Hampton out of
North Carolina is somebody that I'm extremely excited about. I

(38:16):
really like the profile that he has. But yeah, I
mean I think those guys are already top two, so
it's not really saying a ton. Somebody that's gonna be
like a later round option that I've been kind of
kicking around quite a bit is Dylan Sampson, who's a
running back for Tennessee. I really liked his game as well,

(38:36):
so I think kind of like that back half of
the second round, you could see him slide there. He
would be somebody that'd be very excited to have. But yeah,
we'll see how it shakes. But I'm I'm not gonna
be contrary and pretend that the dude that Al must
put up Barry Sanders numbers isn't the best running back
in the in the draft.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know, I gotta I gotta add a little bit
of of of you know, shade in there a little bit.
So just keep people on their heels, because there is
that always like, right, we always want to just go
with the trend, and like, you know, part of our
thing is we want to get people to look at
it right, like look at the stats, look at the scores.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
One of the great things about the Senior Bowl, like
being that at the game is like you get to
experience a little bit of what their burst really looks like,
you know what I mean like and and it's a
difference maker.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You look at you know, back when James Robinson came
into the league, like the guy had burst right and
and though he wasn't the fastest, though he didn't come
from the biggest school, we saw him be effective because
of how he played. Now, of course the injury happened
and his career faded, but you know, in that in
that rookie year, you got to see that, right, and

(39:51):
so I always want to push people because not everybody's
got the one one. Not everybody's got the one three, right,
And so we know those guys are going to be going.
He's gonna be gone, like it's gonna happen no matter what.
So you know, who are some of those other guys?
Who are you really excited about? So I'm gonna flip
it over to you legendary ball no or my guy.
You know, obviously you were shaking your head at a

(40:12):
lot of the names that Joe was saying, and you
know Biggs has already you know, proclaimed some Olie Gordon
excitement there. Who are you really excited about in this
running back class?

Speaker 5 (40:24):
So there's a couple, there's a there's a few guys.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
You know, if you if you're just kind of tapping
into tapping into dynasty or the draft process, you may
not be familiar with some of these guys if you
didn't really watch college football that much. Devin Neil is
one of my favorites in this class. Just consummate professional
running back, no wasted motion. He came in at the
Senior Bowl bigger than what what he was listed at,
much like Elijah Royo, like he was listed at two fifteen.

(40:50):
He comes in at five ten, two hundred and twenty pounds.
That was really exciting.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
RJ.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Harvey, who who passive aggressively threatened bigs on Twitter just
by liking a tweet. He's another guy that's absolutely electrifying.
And then my personal favorite is Bishard Smith from SMU,
the converted Miami wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
He is.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
He transferred so three years in Miami, seven hundre yards,
receiving seventy catches over the course of time, dynamic kick
returner transfers to SMU this year plays running back for
the first year and like this was so we're working
on a draft guide spoiler alert.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
We're gonna have a draft guide for you guys to
make may or man.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
I know, like when I watched his tape that was
the only that was the only running back where I
saw where it was just like.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
What's he about to do next? How what's about to happen?

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Like I like, he made me stand up, like sit
up in my chair and be like, what's he gonna
do next?

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Give him the ball again? What's he gonna do next?

Speaker 6 (41:53):
And I'm hoping that he does really really poorly at
the combine so we can get like a Bucky Irving
type discount.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
But he was so electrifying at SMU this year.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
You saw it in the a SEC Championship where they
they crawled back into the game because they were just.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Like, hey, Breshard, just carry us to the promised Land.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
And he almost did, had that kicker not had like
the leg of prime Sebastian Janakowski and hit like a
fifty eight yarder. So yeah, Brishard Smith is my personal
favorite running back in this class. And I mean that's
just because, like I've watched this film and I like,
I'm like probably gonna watch it again and take more
notes to see if there's some reason I can talk

(42:33):
myself out of him being one of my favorite guys.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
But yeah, So Devin Neil and Devin Neil, R J.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
Harvey, Barshard Smith, those are some names that are kind
of off the beaten path. Like I've been doing mock
drafts so we can kind of get uh pre Senior
Bowl post Senior Bowl ADP going for rookie mock drafts,
and those are guys that are consistently available.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Well.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
RJ.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Harvey and Brishard Smith are available in the third round
of your rookie drafts right now.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Devin Neil had three straight seasons of over a thousand yards,
which is not common in college football. I have Ollie
Gordon over him right now, but I mean, that's it's
it's hard to do that. The RJ. Harvey story is
pretty funny. The the Senior Bowl measurements came out and
he was like five to seven, and so I posted

(43:25):
to CHEV a picture of a like a toddler getting
a football bounced off his helmet and R. J. Harvey
liked it and I went, oh no. So a couple
of times there was there was a lot of access
to the players, so a couple of times I went
up to him and I was like, I'm so sorry,

(43:45):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
That's so calm.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
For sure.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, we bought like. I was like, oh no, I hope,
I hope that you don't have to see this person
in person.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
He was very cool. He was very nice to me.
And Devin Neil was a great interview too. That dude
is not short on confidence. Like one of the things
that there were a couple of dogs that I got
to got a chance to talk to Jack Besh from TCU.
The wide receiver and Devin Neil dog when you talk
to those guys, and like Devin Neil was like, I

(44:25):
asked him about the fact that he may not be
at the top of the narrative, and he's like, that
doesn't matter to me. I know that I'm that dude.
I had three straight seasons of a thousand yards blah
blah blah. And then Jack Besh was like, there's a
Jack Besh quote where he said they call it a
fifty to fifty ball. I call it a seventy five

(44:45):
to twenty five ball because I'm getting it. And then
one of the offensive linemen he was like, somebody asked
him about how he felt getting beat in the Oklahoma drills,
and he was like, everybody gets got And it was like,
oh shit, okay. To have that mindset where you know,
like you're gonna lose some reps, that's gonna happen, but

(45:08):
you know that the next rep you're gonna win, it
is like that's so huge. So, like, there were a
bunch of people I got a chance to talk to
that were absolute like monsters, and it was fun.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know, on the flip side of this, we're talking
about all of these running backs and how there's like
this powerful running back class. Thinking about like, all right,
like who is going to be impacted most. I think
a lot about like players who have like a good
season this year that I'm probably gonna try to sell
high on going in and next year, like Tyrone Tracy,
Chase Brown, like dudes that didn't have like a lot

(45:43):
of draft capital for whatever reason. Draft capital plays a
lot bigger role for running backs. Like with wide receivers,
you have so many on the field that it's like,
all right, like fifth round receiver kind of pops off,
like they can kind of keep their opportunity and make
things happen. But these guys that we're talking about that
we're excited about, they have to go somewhere and they
have to replace someone.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
This it's tricky, yeah, And it's it's Damian Pierce all
over again. And uh, you mentioned James Robinson. It's the
James Robinson effect. And this this running back class is
legitimately twenty deep in your dynasty rookie drafts. It's gonna
be basically like kind of a combat fishing scrum for

(46:25):
some of the early wide receivers. But the wide receiver,
the wide receiver. Great point, Joe, Thanks Amber, But I'm
going to put out there that the wide receiver class
is a lot deeper than people think. There are a
lot of guys who are guys in this wide receiver

(46:45):
class that haven't haven't gotten a lot of run over
the last couple of months, Jack Besh a lot of
money to you being the leader. Yeah that I mean
that dude is a dog that the kids from from
Ia State. Everybody talks about Ted McMillan and Luther Burden

(47:06):
and yeah, there's a very clear consensus top three. I'm
saying like this is this is the year that zero
RB makes the most sense because all of these guys
who are coming out there there are running backs that
have a the physical profile, be the production profile in

(47:29):
college and see like the age coming out that absolutely
poortend fantasy success that are in like the teens in
terms of like our running back ranks. This is when
zero RB makes the most sense because those guys are
going to be taking jobs. They're going to be stealing

(47:50):
jobs from guys that we've been looking at the last
couple of years. We haven't talked about Trevor at Tien
at all. Trevor at ten, did some things on past
routes that it's hard to see wide receivers do. He
made some catches that a lot of wide receivers don't make,
and nobody really talks about him either. This class is

(48:12):
so deep, and I think this is a new age
in the NFL where if you look at last year's draft,
there were guys even like at your defense and trench
positions that were being taken in the seventh round that
were NFL ready And I think that's the new age
of the NFL, Like the turnover is going to start

(48:32):
to get so incredible. And I don't know the word
I'm looking for. Basically, you have a lot of guys
coming in out of the college ranks because they came
in in twenty twenty and their fifth year seniors. Now
there's a lot of talent, and it's at every level,

(48:54):
and it's through all seven rounds of the draft, and
it's at every position, and running back is especially that one.
This year, there's there's legitimately twenty running backs that could
start tomorrow for an NFL team.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna hop over you know, well,
Amber said, our second round picks carrying as much weight
as they did last year for rookie drafts. I think,
so this class is so deep and there's so much talent,
and I feel like there's such a drop off and
like need with people like going. I mean, you look

(49:27):
at the Bills, like mac Hollins is on his way out,
like they got shakir Ke on Coleman was was okay,
but we didn't get what we wanted. There's there's opportunity.
There's opportunity for the Raiders. There's there's so much opportunity
for players to come in and be like relevant year
one because there are holes that needed to be that
need to be filled on teams. You know, we saw

(49:48):
Tim Patrick you know, rise to relevance last season, which
means the like he's on his way, like Lions could
need somebody, you know, Denver needs people like There's just
so much opportunity out there. So I think, you know,
like last year where we saw somebody's wide receivers come
in and take immediate impact roles, we could see that again,
and especially I think in the running back room as

(50:11):
teams start to churn and look for what's next. Right,
And so I'm gonna flip over as you guys know.
This show is brought to you by the Fantasy Sports
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(50:33):
pop over, and this one's from Geezer.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh, Geezer.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Geezer's a good good memory's been around and we love
having them on there. We since, I have a question
for y'all, how are you seeing the running back value
coming this year? Are you prioritizing getting one of the
top guys in the first round or taking a wide
receiver first and getting a lower tier running back later.
If you're drafting at the front end of the round,

(50:58):
will you prioritize buon Jamier, you know, over Chase and
JJ or you know, so on so on and so.
Really it's getting at the idea of I am a
hero running back style player. I like to get a
stud early, like somebody that I know I can pretty

(51:19):
much count on all season. Right, That's typically my style. Uh,
but you know, occasionally, if one of my guys that
I want is not there, like let's say, you know,
one two, three, four, that all the running backs go,
and like you know in my draft rankings, the next
person I want isn't until a round three. Then I

(51:40):
punt and go wide receiver heavy. But you know, like
is it worth this year or like with the running
back position? You know in Biggs, I know you mentioned
you may go zero RB and take running backs later.
But are there guys like if you have the one
through five and you can get like a Bijon Saquon,
a CMC, you know, Jami or Gibbs, Like, are are

(52:04):
we trying to land one of those running backs in
round one?

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Are we just?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Are we doing the zero RB thing?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
It depends on draft spot.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
If I can get Saquan or Derrick Henry, I'm doing that.
Other than those two guys. If those two guys are
gone by the time it gets to me, I am
just loading up on wide receivers for probably the first
at least three rounds, maybe four or five. I am.
I'm also a fan of the anchor RB style. The

(52:38):
problem is when you come into a situation where like
CMC is the consensus one oh one.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Well this year he may be like one oh five
to one.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Oh sure, I think he's gonna drop a lot more
than you think.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
But but we see, we see how that works out.
And and I'm always one that goes against consensus just because, uh,
I'm kind of like that. So when consensus is CMC
is the RB one, there's justin Jefferson is the wide
receiver one, and there's a quarterback at QB one, I'd

(53:16):
rather take the value at somebody who has a chance
to put up the same numbers as that person, but
get them later and also add on. So let consensus
take what consensus takes. The environment for Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry,
and b Jeon Robinson next year is going to be

(53:39):
it might be a little bit too rich for me.
I'm and I'm going to revert to zero RB because
running back is one of those positions where you look
at who who flashed in the second half of the season,
and obviously Jamiir Gibbs is one of those guys. But
Jamiir Gibbs his numbers at the end of the season
were affected by David Montgomery's injury. I love Jamiir Gibbs.

(54:04):
He's literally the foundation of one of my nicknames. But
he wouldn't have had the season that he had if
David Montgomery didn't get hurt. So are we banking on
David Montgomery getting hurt again? Maybe? But yeah, running back

(54:25):
is a churning position that turns out to be You
can have somebody and they will flash in the second
half of the season where you thought that they were
going to do well in the first half of the season.
Joe Mixon did great, but there were guys that you
wanted to own in weeks ten to eighteen, seventeen, sixteen,

(54:46):
whatever your playoffs are, that did more for you.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, am a football guy tuning in, give me some Hey,
Tyler Man, appreciate you tuning in. Thanks, everybody's tuned in tonight.
We're gonna keep rocking this though, you know, justin what's
your thoughts on it? You know, like I know he said,
if it's not say Kwanner, Derrick Henry, you know, not

(55:12):
really interested in the first round. Are there any running
backs for you that you're like, if they're there in
the first round, this is where I'm going? Or are
you punting it this season?

Speaker 6 (55:22):
So first things first, Uh, running back injury regression is
about to hit Like Mike Tyson in the eighties, so
I have.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
The twenty twenties.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
So yeah, I have to the The first thing that
I have to do is say, all right, cool, Like
I have to be okay with the fact that, like,
if I draft one of these guys, we we could
be committing ourselves to like thirteen games, you know, the
before this year, the quintessential James Connor season. Running backs
are gonna be so pumped up in ADP going into

(55:53):
twenty twenty, going into twenty twenty five that I think
the the plus EV move most likely, if not gonna
get a guy who's got a top tier O line
like Saquan Er, Derrick Henry or b or Bjeon like
those that's kind of the big three for me. Dereck
Henry doesn't catch passes, so he ends up at like third,
and now Saquan doesn't catch passes as much. So if

(56:15):
I can't get Bijon, like, I would be okay with
punting running back and just taking the safe and secure
volume of a Jamar Chase of Justin Jefferson or Puka
with no you know Puoka CD with you know Pooka
with no Cooper Cup anymore CD you know, bounce back
year I mean's wide receiver five and that's a down
year form. So yeah, I would love to if I

(56:38):
can't get a guy who's guaranteed volume. Obviously you can't
assume that they're gonna get injured, but we know that
it's probably gonna happen because everybody stayed way too healthy.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
And that's just the way that this goes. It's a
cyclical thing. Like last year, everybody was going zero RB.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
You know, Josh Jacobs was going around the same range
as like T Higgins and Tank Dell like in Best
Ball drafts. I just I think that this year running
back is gonna be way pumped up the receipt like
the value is gonna be on receiver. So that's where
I kind of lean if I can't get a true
workhorse slash Bill count. And I'm still undecided on whether

(57:16):
or not I'm willing to draft Christian McCaffrey this year
if he's at the back of the first round or
early second.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
What about you, Jill, Same same same feels.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
So I have a couple of things. One, I hate
locking into positional strategy going into a draft. I think
that is like the worst thing that you can do
from a fantasy perspective, because if ten people take a
running back in the first round and say, well, hey,
I'm taking a running back, I'm taking me eleventh best
running back, and to me, that's a problem. So it's
like you need to zig where people are zagging and

(57:45):
find value. I think the other thing that we kind
of forget about, but it's pretty obvious, but in order
to be a successful fantasy running back, you have to
be on a successful team because running backs get more
tread when your team's winning game, right, So you look
at the situation, like the toss up of last year
was like who's gonna be two or three Bijon Breese Hall,

(58:06):
And it's funny because everybody's like, oh, well, Bijon, he
has like a clear handcuff. Al Ji is gonna take
carries away from him. Brees has no backup behind him.
He's going to dominate, so he's your clear cut running back.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Too.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Well, the Jets sucked, Brandon Allen came out of nowhere,
and then Bijon farce or passed anything that he did.
So it's like, if I'm taking a running back that early,
they have to be like a playoff like expected team
for the year. If you think that team is gonna
have a losing record, don't touch that running back. Like
look at what Saquon did and where he struggled and

(58:39):
why people were so bearish about him this past year,
Like it should have been obvious that, like, hey, he's
going to the Eagles best offensive line, They're going to
be a playoff contender. Like it's it's a smash hit
like if.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
You can stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
But it's like if we're gonna be looking at somebody,
like maybe like Jonathan Taylor starts creeping up into the
first round and it's like, all right, what is gonna
happen with the Colts? Like when Anthony Richardson, it's like, oh,
well he's going to be that guy for them, but
you're probably not getting all that out of it. So
all that to say, like it could happen. I think
McCaffrey Byjon Robinson like all those things, like pretty much

(59:18):
Chev's top three, Like I completely agree with. I'm not
worried about Gibbs getting less work. I do have concerns
about what happens now that Ben Johnson's gone, but we'll
see what happens there. But yeah, I don't I don't
like getting into like, oh, what position am I going
to take?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Round one?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I'll take the best player available. If I'm the back half,
I might be taking rock powers, like we might not
be doing receiver running back like any that's.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
A tasty burger.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
And of course, like what you want in the first
round of your draft is to, like you said, zig
when other people are zagging. It's all about what value
is presented to you at the time. But when we
when we're talking about running backs, one of the things
consider is how running backs fluctuate as far as their
fantasy performance. So we look back to the twenty twenty

(01:00:06):
three top five. We have guys like Rashad White, Travis Etienne,
they finished in the top five. Jon Robinson I had
just outside of the top five because of the volume,
but he increased the volume. They took a specific amount
of carries. I think, yeah, he had like like sixty

(01:00:26):
carries fewer in twenty twenty three versus twenty twenty four,
and he had and Tyler Algier had sixty fewer carries
in twenty twenty four. So they basically swapped that production
and Jon found himself in the top five. That seems
to be like something that's sticky and it's going to happen,

(01:00:49):
like over the course of the future. The new regime
in Atlanta wants to get vijon the ball more and
Arthur Smith wanted to split the backfield up. You have
situations where like in Pittsburgh it looks like don Gie
Harris is gone, Jalen Warren is going to stay. Probably
increases volume, So you have to kind of look at that.

(01:01:10):
And the fluctuation in the top five running backs CMC
in twenty twenty three was RB one, not even in
the conversation in twenty twenty four, So it's hard to
kind of pinpoint with running backs and with wide receivers,
it seems to be pretty pretty much a season by season,
more of a sticky thing to rely on. Justin Jefferson,

(01:01:33):
Jamar Chase, those guys are going to be at the
top regardless. There's more fluctuation at the running back position,
so I'd be more inclined to rely on a wide
receiver in the first round.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So and you know, it is a it is an
interesting take, and you know everybody has their own way
of kind of going at it, and you know, we're
kind of wrapping up or getting here to the end
of the show. You know, Biggs, I'm kind of on
the other side of it, and I would say that
because when adp rises on a position, like at running back,

(01:02:06):
we're seeing guys that we're considering to be a first
round you know, like your CMC, your Bijean and your
Jamior Gibbs, your Saquon, like you know, you're Derrick Henry,
We're name in six seven guys right that are like
gonna be consensus round one, which means the position is
gonna deflate really fast, like really quickly. You're gonna see

(01:02:27):
running back runs. You're gonna see people trying to get
their guys, which is gonna leave wide receivers there. So
you you may have a chance in the late first
really nab some studs. But the issue comes in that
a lot of the big running backs are gonna be gone,
and then then in the second round, people are gonna
be worried. And already in the second round, they're gonna
be grabbing James Cooks and they're gonna be grabbing you know,

(01:02:49):
Chase Brown's, and they're gonna be grabbing these folks, you know,
to try to make sure that they have some semblance
of a running back room where you have to play
two positions. So you know, this year, I would say
more than ever, I'm probably gonna lean into that hero
RB style and just try to lock in at least one, uh,
one big guy, right, Like, I want to lock in

(01:03:10):
one guy, whether it be in round one or round two.
If I don't get him in round one, maybe I'm
trying to get a you know, I hope jamiir get
slips around too. I doubt it's gonna happen, right, or
you know, somebody like that. I'm gonna try to get
like the the closest thing to that, the somebody that's
got a fully encompassing role, right, A lot more after

(01:03:33):
the draft. But you know it, when when ADP is
strong on a position, like you said justin, you know,
it's you kind of have to let that mold because
you're really competing, right, You're trying to fill that roster,
and if running back goes heavy, that means your high
end wide receivers are gonna be there later. And uh,

(01:03:54):
you know, you may you may be able to get
Jalen McMillan in the sixth round. You know, you may
be able to get a Brian Thomas Junior in the
second or a Lad mcconkee in the third or fourth.
You know, like even like your veterans, like your Mike Evans,
like you'll probably to get him in like the fifth
round next season, sixth round next season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So like a lot of those guys are gonna fall
because of the running back push. But you know that's
just my take on it, and we're gonna kind of
wrap up. I don't want to leave dad bod hanging. Uh,
he said, well, first, Amber said, Biggs hopes McMillan falls
to the sixth It's would be crazy. By the way,

(01:04:37):
he's probably gonna be there. He didn't really he should be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
He should be like a tenth round guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Yeah, he's gonna be there because he didn't come on
till the end of the season. Everybody's going to talk
about how Godwin wasn't there, and if you know, it's
going to change the dynamic of the offense and how
they all interact. You know, he'll be around that range,
which is going to be a value because I think
you know, we we saw and like you know, Baker

(01:05:02):
Baker is gonna air the ball out. I'm a little
worried about you know, what offense might look like without uh,
you know, without the OC there there was a reason
that they were willing to make in the highest paid
o C in the league. You know, he made Baker
the number four overall quarterback in freaking fantasy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Uh So, yeah, I can't, I can't, I'm not. I'm
not gonna do it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Just heard me pounding the desk for McMillan for a
week after week after week after week, and finally he hit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
You know what it was for Baker. He had to
sleep in the Cleveland brown Stadium for all those weeks outside.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Probably so but you know, we'll see. I'm excited. I
will say this. I'm excited for Trevor Lawrence in that
scheme based on like Baker to be in the Browns
and and be okay, he took him to the playoffs,
you know, but then he passed around like a you know,
bag of chips at a at a Halloween party or something.
And then you know, like Tyler, but you know what

(01:06:00):
I'm saying, like he gets you know, he gets passed
around of the lands there and he's this season like
you weren't thinking Baker, but Baker put up a top
ten quarterback season, put up a top five quarterback season,
whether we.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Like it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
He did, you know, and the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Anti Baker people here on this on this platform right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Nope, I don't know, but there was there was a
lot of anti Baker people coming into the beginning of
last season, you know, so it that is where it
traditionally sits. But obviously he showed a lot this season,
so I'm excited to see. But to get to dad
Bot's question before he sign off, uh, you know, before

(01:06:40):
he gets mad at me in the chat, he said
Smith or Brown at wide receiver one. I'm guessing this week.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
It's got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Because he said it was for playoff fantasy stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So yeah, so so Smith or Brown is who has
the bigger week Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
It's got to be Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Smith has been the third largest target getter behind Brown
and Goddard, so it's like he's kind of an afterthought
on the offense. The Chiefs have been pretty locked down
in the passing game, so I think that Smith is
not really the guy that you want to be targeting
out of those two.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
The crazy thing is that going into the season, the
question mark was on the Chiefs pass defense and they
absolutely showed out and is not like a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Yeah yeah, he's a mastermind for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Oh also, Chris Jones MVP Super Bowl MVP odds are
a plus sixty five hundred if you're just interested in
like big strong, future Hall of Fame defensive tackles, you know,
completely taken over games like he did at the end
of the Super Bowl last year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
That's what I'm saying. Take twenty bucks, throw a dollar
on each of the MVPs like that are just kind
of crazy every defensive player.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Yeah all right, so.

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