Tampering Season! - 🏈 Fantasy Football Q&A "From the Forum" - From The Forum

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
What's up, everybody. Welcome to Friday Night from the Forum.
I got a crew in the house tonight and we
are here with all the the goods, all the Combine talk,
all the draft talk, all the all the catastrophe of
drops cuts, trades for late round, seventh round picks, for

(00:50):
seasons way beyond the next two. You know, like it
we here, we are. Uh, it is tampering season. It
is you know, the Dynasty off season. What we all love.
If you played Dynasty Fantasy, obviously this is what you
live for, drafts, combine, all that good jazz. But anyways,

(01:13):
we are here. I got Joe and I got two
incredible guests with us this week. I'm gonna let you introduce,
let them introduce themselves, tell you where they create content,
and then we're gonna get rolling. So start us off stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, Hi, I'm Steph Miller. I create content over at
Legendary Upside. I do I help with some Dynasty stuff
over there. I do their waiver article in season, and
then I run some high stakes teams for the guys,
a ship chasing and yeah, and of.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Course we got the the renowned AI bought himself.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Go ahead, Yeah, hopefully my firm where doesn't try up
in the middle of this. Yeah, I'm Ronnie Evans. I
work over at Trophy Smack. I'm their AI specialists and
do a little bit of community community management for them,
help on the back end of grid iroon ratings, and
then like my home, uh not actually content wise, I

(02:19):
hop on shows for them, but my home has really
been the sports affiliate for the last two years. I
just loved their whole crew. They're good people. But that's
me Trophy Smack GRIDIR Ratings sports affiliation, but my employer
is Trovy Smack. So if you picked one, it's that
one for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, you know, Ronnie, you've been on a couple of times,
and you're getting a little show love here Southern Dad's game,
he said, Yo, Ronnie, where's that sky Moore Jersey.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Look, we went through the sky more Love and Crash
and me and a bunch of big people in the industry.
I wasn't alone. And then I went in on Puka
and like immediately the next year, like in februaryalking about Puka.
So sky Moore it's just a distant memory to me.
Like Puka was such a nuclear smash in the opposite direction.
That Sky was a dud that you know forgets Sky. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
We got Brent in the chat. Let's go love the show.
So the Dad's game and get us. What's up Rusty
Shackleford A let's f and go. Yeah, got a crew
and I you know, if you guys have questions, drop
them in, Steph. It's wonderful to have you. Obviously, this
is our first time interacting and I'm excited for it.

(03:32):
But you know, we just got through the NFL combine
and as you know, you see it every year with Fantasy,
right like, here comes the combine and then we have
the skyrocket takes, we have the falls, you know, we
have the the oh, this is the new home run
pick of the season. What was your take on the combine?

(03:53):
Was there anybody that stood out to you? Anybody that
you were really excited about coming out of it?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I mean, I guess overall, I was super impressed with
like the running back class, which wasn't a surprise like
going in that's been kind of you know, the talk
of you know, this draft is that it was a
really you know, deep class and stuff. So a lot
of those guys, like I think we had ten guys
run like a four to four four are faster in
the combine, which is like so ridiculous. Some of the

(04:22):
guys in that running back group that stood out a
Marion Hampton Quin Shawn Jenkins had some really good combine.
Bishall to Tan also had a really strong combine. He
had the fastest forty and I believe it was the
second longest broad jump and the highest vertical, so he

(04:45):
really helped his stock there. Yeah, that was like and
then some of the ride receivers, Matthew Golden was very
impressive out running his college teammate there, Isaiah Bond, who
said he was going to outright worthy. So it was
kind of funny there. I'm like, I don't know why
you would say that, like like we're going to see

(05:07):
like if you can't back it up, you had to
know you were not that bad?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well did you at least like race your teammate before
you make bold claims about breaking the record. It's like
you didn't even you weren't even the fastest guy on
your team, Like what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Maybe I thought he had an end with like the
uh timekeepers for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Maybe he was talking for to one something and I
was like, man, I'm I'm that Wow, that confidence. I
can't wait to see what you wrote. Like, even if
it's like a four too something, I'm gonna be excited,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
That's the confidence that I aspire to have in life. Yeah,
I'm one.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's fine exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, I think Stephanie, you know, like I think, uh,
you know, but sul tune out of Virginia Tech. I
think that the combine, like he's one of those like
people weren't at top talking about as much till after
the combine, you know, like they're the players that the
combine raises their stock so much. I think he was

(06:08):
one of those. You know, obviously, when you make promises
about here at forty times and you don't hit, that
also probably affects your draft stock a little bit in
the other direction.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
But love it.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I mean, I'm with you. The running backs you rarely
see so many in the four to four range. I
was impressed, you know, and I've been excited. We've been
talking about it for the last couple weeks on the show.
It really does kind of feel like it's the changing
of the guard for the running back position in the NFL.
So many players like in their last year, like they're

(06:42):
phasing out right in Dynasty, I'm getting tons of offer
you know, like people trying to get like, you know,
guys that are just they're on the last ring, you know,
they're trying to get offload them, you know. And and
we have so much running back talent and I'm not
saying they're all gonna be a affected this year, but
we could definitely see you know, a lot, you know,

(07:05):
really grab a hold of significant roles within the next
year to year and a half. So I'm with you.
I'm really excited about that. So as far as like
players that are, was there any one player that, like
you felt like in your Dynasty leagues based on combine

(07:27):
based in college? You know, you know, obviously we had
some quarterbacks. Will Howard tanked his draft stock with that
combine performance. Is there anybody that you're like, you know,
I really can't leave the draft without this person.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean probably, Like I mean, it's hard to say.
I mean depends what pick we're talking. I mean, like
if you could get out like ash Jion Kenty, I
mean of course, But I mean, like I said, any
of those like top running backs really, like I said,
I think those top three feel really good. Top four
maybe our guys. I like, uh, I'm not as impressed,

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you know, with the quarterbacks, which you know has been
kind of a common thing. I think some of the
tight ends, I mean, we didn't get to see the
top guys really do anything, but they could be really fun,
especially I play in a lot of tight end premium leagues,
so I am pretty excited about, you know, having Tyler
Warren and Coaston Loveland available. I like a couple of

(08:29):
the other guys. We didn't see Mason Taylor run, but
he looked amazing in his gauntlet, Like that was how
it's done, Like you know, I mean, he's the son
of Hall of famers, so it's not that big of
a surprise that you know, he was good. So those
are some guys I'm you know, excited about too. I uh,
I still like uh as a little deeper guy. I

(08:52):
still like for Shard Smith out of SMU. I think
he could be a really fun weapon for a team.
He was a converted wide and he was still pretty fast.
He wasn't as explosive, but like that wasn't I don't
think anyone expected that part of his game necessarily, but
I think that he could be a really interesting sleeper

(09:14):
a little bit in this draft as well.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
What about what about you, Ronnie? Anybody stood out to
you in the draft or in the combine?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, to go back to the original, like, is there
anyone that I can't leave my rookie draft without getting?
So I got the hiccups a second ago? Is Xavier
a strap up? You guys? The comment earlier about Skymore.
I have this weird exercise that I do every year
where I try to find people, like in March. By

(09:45):
the end of March, I got a guy at each
of the four main positions for fantasy that are just
like people aren't prioritiz think in their drafts that I
think they should. And it's fifty to fifty, which I
think is better than it should be because it's mostly
second and third round rookie picks. But this year it's
it's a Streppo for me. I'm pretty like we could
just this will be the first time I say it publicly,
but before I put that little article out, Xavier Rostreppo

(10:08):
literally does everything well. And if you talk to anyone
that went to the Senior Bowl, the murmurs that were
coming out from the actual NFL scouts there when they
were asked about like what wide receivers, who do you want?
What could you like, what would you do if you
were here right now and you had to walk away
with player on your team? They all said, for Streppo,
there's like he's going to show up. He's the most
pro ready player in the class at the position, so

(10:29):
on and so forth, and so he's not the best
prospect in the class, but you don't have to be
like lad mcconky last year, I felt was that that
wide receiver in that class kind of an undersized, under
heralded guy that was really was just ready to go
from day one. And I think we got that with
for Streppo and we're going to see it next season.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
You know. Is interesting to me, U, There's there's several
deep flyers, uh in this class at wide receiver especial,
especially that I'm pretty interest to sit in. What about you, Joe,
anybody that really just tickled your fancy.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, it's funny because I've been helping out a lot
of the guys that have been pushing content for fantas
Football Advice Network, So shout out to Grindberg and Chevin
those guys have been putting all these videos. I feel
like as I've been editing them, I've been hearing a
lot of the guys that they're interested, like playing in
my head over and over again, like at night after
I get done with the video. I think the guy
for me, even though he didn't have an electric combine,

(11:29):
the person that, especially if I'm the back half of
the first round, Caleb Johnson just screams amazing player. To me.
It's just knowing his breakaway run rate, seeing what he
did at Iowa, I feel very excited about it. He
didn't have, say the dazzling combine, but if you look
at the size, you look at what he's done just
on tape, I'm just a really big fan of I

(11:51):
think what the most interesting component for the combine for
me was just that I feel like, at least from
the Dynasty perspective, Henderson was really the OSU running back
that everybody was like really excited about, and then Judkins
had a great combine, and now it kind of becomes
this toss up once again between who you like better.
So it's gonna be really interesting to see like how

(12:13):
that plays outcome draft time. I think Henderson probably the
more valued running back out of the two. But I
do think that Judkins is going to be a really
strong player in the NFL. So it'll be interesting to
see how it all plays out.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know. Judkins' big thing is like obviously, people say
he's got a nose for the end zone, you know,
like that that's it's like that David Montgomery thing, Like
just in the goal line and give him the ball.
He can find the end zone. He did it in
the college football playoff, like, you know, that's what people
are really excited about. But I do like the depth
in this class running and I appreciate the a Stripo pick.
You know, like there's a lot of people, there's a

(12:48):
lot of players that are not on anybody's radar, and
maybe it's because of where they played or what like.
For example, and I'm gonna throw one out here, I
Tesla out of Arkansas, and you guys know I'm an Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
But but I did not expect him. I did not
expect him to run a four four three forty. I
didn't expect that. But hands wise, if you watch his
clips and you watch the catches, he's got some of
the best hands uh, you know, and it's really really stolid,

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especially if you watch before he gets to Arkansas and
you know, he came in the first year after after
transferring in and he did not have a good quarterback,
uh you know. And then last year he had a
quarterback that mostly got it done on his feet. So
you still didn't see, you know, and you see Armstrong,
same thing, like you didn't really see what they're capable of.

(13:46):
But if you look at the tape, just anybody watching,
just go look at the tape. If you don't, don't
look at the stats, don't look at the yearly stats,
just go look at the tape.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I think it is interesting for sure, because if you
think about the person option of the league in like
this draft, it's not viewed as like a home run
hitting blue chip class.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
But I do think that there's a lot of valuable
depth pieces, and depending on landing spot, they might not
have had as premiere of an opportunity as they would
see in other years. But you have a lot of
teams that are rebuilding. I think what we'll see later
in the show, we have a lot of moves that
probably surprise people, and it may not be like a
long term dynasty play for like a long career. But

(14:30):
it could be one of those things where it's like
I'm not here for a long time. I'm here for
a good time. Let me kind of like throw throw
this out there for this rookie and then I can
flip them for something later. But I do think that
there's gonna be some impact players, even if it's not
viewed as a premier class. Even look at Ted McMillan,
there's so much fatigue about him being a wide receiver one.
People all of a sudden, after what he has been

(14:51):
lauded as the wide receiver one for since his freshman year,
and people like ah, like Golden ran this forty, all
of a sudden, he's wide receiver one. Now.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's it's just I can participate at the combine. It's
like I rolled my eyes earlier. It's not you, guys,
but you were saying earlier. Like the combine happens and
then everyone changes their opinions and it is the number
one like most entry level error that I see established
people make every time in the industry. Every year, combine
happens and all of a sudden, like everything changes. That

(15:20):
should never happen. If you've done your homework, you know
who these players are because the tape is more valuable.
The combine is there to confirm or deny what you
have seen on your tape. And like, I actually not
to be a huge contrarian, but I'm on the island
of people that are not down with the running back
chatter this year. I look at this class and even
Ashton Gent who is like the prize pick in this class,

(15:42):
He's not a complete back. He's not a three down
back that's going to go line up about why it
and offer the same thing that Beijon Robinson and Premier
Gibbs did and Saquon Barkley and these truly like all
facet of the game premier talents. Gent is probably one
of the best running running backs that I have ever
seen come out of college. But with his stature in size,

(16:03):
when I look at classes, I like to compare like
the class to the class to the class. This running
back class has a lot of like B plus talents
in it. It's a lot of guys that over the
course of five to seven years like they get replaced
by other better talents. And it seems to me like, yes,
there's gonna be a lot of guys from this class
that pop because it's the nature of the bodies. There's
depth at that level. But it's more like we're Shod

(16:26):
White and Damien Pearce style prospects than it is premier
guys like quin Shawn Judkins. I think it's fine, but
he reminds me a lot of like he's Trent Richardson,
Nogi Harris, like that type of player.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So I'm na, look it is It is true, like
we see the combine change like polar polarizing players like you.
You have Anthony Richardson pre combine versus Anthony Richardson post
combine are totally different evaluations. You know, uh and uh,

(17:01):
you know, and sometimes we hit, sometimes we miss. You know,
I meant you know your sky Moore take Ronnie John
you know, Josh calling me out saying here we are
with the hands of Trailing Burks pitch all over again.
Obviously I was high on Trailing Burke's he can't stay
on the field, which is uh, is definitely hurting his valuation.
But he's gonna I'm casting receipts on everyone.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Cancel the show. I can't risk this now. It's all, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
All part of it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
post the next one because Ronnie, I was like dying
like as you were like delivering your message. I looked
at the next like few comments and I'm like, also, guys,
that's the first time that's ever happened during I don't know.

(17:49):
Maybe I don't know. But for for those of you
that are not watching it or listening to the audio podcast,
we will spare you the comments that we just got
in the chat because uh yeah, just go to the
YouTube channel if you want to see. If not, let
it ride into the sunset, you'll probably save yourself. You know,

(18:10):
you won't miss anything. But anyways, you know that's it.
I'm with you, Ronnie, and I love to take you know,
and this is we're really in fantasy football, especially you
can win, right like the hot and cold and Steph,
I'm sure, I'm sure you've seen it and you can
agree like so many people EBB and flow with the

(18:34):
narrative right like constantly changing, and it creates rises and
risers and fallers as far as like people's evaluation of players.
And for me, I look at that and I'm like, oh,
such and such stock just went through the roof and
they're really not that great. Let me go ahead and
dish this player while I can. And you know in

(18:55):
Dynasty you gotta kind of watch that market like the
stock market. You know, you got to watch it and
the those players boom, you're like, okay, let me get
rid of them, like take advantage of that.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
This Nick Westbrook a rasure is disgusting right now.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
By the way, n W I is awesome, man. He's
one of my favorite players. He reminds me a lot
of Do you guys remember Keelan Cole Yeah, for like
two or three years, I was like, that's my dude
right there, Like.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know what, he's gonna get paid more than a
lot people think he's gonna get.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Paid Keene is. Actually he's way better than Keeling Cole
ever was.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
But yeah, would you might give you one.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Other example, Tyler that might be a controversial. Take sure,
Marion Hampton subpar vision, Okay, hands, but he is a
good breakaway runner and he's got good contact balance. If
you go and put him up against the top three
running backs from the past seven classes, he doesn't fit
into the top three in most of them. Just overall prospect, right.

(19:51):
I think people are just very caught up right now
in the moment because all we have to do is
like get hyped about rookies. This class is not like
an elite running back.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I do think. I don't know if I agree with
that take, but I do think there's some element of
if you think about if you think about the Bijon
Robinson year, people were like, all right, well he's the
he's the top of the list. Jenti's the easy one.
But then you have a lot of people like who's
the two? And then you saw Gibbs kind of be

(20:22):
a good player as the two, and then it's worked
out really well for both players. I like to attack
the strengths of the draft in Dynasty. So it's like,
when in doubt, I'm probably picking a running back in
every round this year, and it's like, if I don't
hit on everyone, I'm probably gonna hit on someone. And
if the gms are coming out of the combine and saying, hey,

(20:43):
it's a really deep running back class, I want as
many lottery tickets from that as I can possibly get it,
I think that's smart. Yeah, So even if if Hampton
isn't that guy. I feel pretty good about Hampton. I
I don't know enough about ball. There's a reason why
I just talk about it with Tyler on Fridays to
say that, hey, like he has good vision. He doesn't.
But I I feel comfortable with him as like an

(21:05):
RB too.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I'm I mean, it's it's just Hampton's not like
people talk about him like they talked about Jamior Gibbs
when he was in the class with Like, it's not
that level. Hampton is a B level, like probably top
of the B tier, which is great. He's probably gonna
be relevant for fantasy for five years. But I mean
we're talking about him like he's a slam dunk top

(21:26):
ten running back moving forward after he goes to a
good situation. I just he's not. That's not guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
He had a nine point ninety three rise. I mean
he ran a four to four seven. You know, he's
six feet two and twenty one pounds. You know, he
was a workhorse. He could be a workhorse in the
NFL in the right landing spot. I mean ridiculous. You know,
he had the production. He was an early declare. I
mean he does check off a lot of boxes and
things we look at, it's not It's like the athleticism

(21:55):
was kind of just like the icing on the cake
for me, because I mean his production in college was good,
and yeah, we did have a clear cut RB two
maybe behind genty at first, and we could have debated guys,
but I think he definitely helped his talk. And it
seems like a lot of NFL teams are interested if
he gets like a premier landing Spocks. I mean they're
you know, if he ends up you know somehow like
on the Raiders, if I or somewhere Cowboys or Chargers,

(22:18):
somewhere where he could just be the guy and he's
got the size and the speed. And you know, I'm
not again, I'm not like a super tape grinder to
argue about. Yeah, if his vision is perfect or not either,
but I mean from what I saw, I still had
really good contact balance and you know, he was very

(22:39):
you know, he was scoring a lot of touchdowns and
he was a great running back. Still, yeah, I know
that I agree that there's more depth than maybe the
super high end elite talent, but I'm still very interested.
And I mean I was even more excited. I said
after the combine, I do agree that sometimes people overrate,
like they don't understand how to use the combine. It's
like I care more about like if it is improving

(23:02):
their draft stock, like what the NFL thinks because of it,
rather than just saying there's a direct correlation between Oh,
this guy ran fast and that means he's going to
produce in the NFL. You know, that kind of correlation
is a lot smaller than most people think a lot
of positions in the actual athleticism.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
It isn't necessarily what the running back room. But I
do find it fascinating on Keep Trade Cut that Tyler Warren,
without playing a snap in the NFL, is viewed as
well tight end number four in fantasy in terms of yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well he he's he's that that joker style title he
could he's yeah. No, And I don't want to I
don't want anyone that's listening to think that I'm saying
Omari and Hampton is a bad running back at all.
I just like he could very well be a top
ten running back in fantasy for the first four years
in the league. Like he's got that skill set, he's
got the ability, now, he's got the measurables. Everything is

(23:53):
lining up for me, though he came out as like
an eighty nine out of one hundred in a great
in Migrating scale, whereas like Jamier Gibbs was ninety four
and I think Bijhon was in ninety seven and Ashton
Gent is a ninety six. And so but I see,
I think because there isn't anything else to talk about,
and because of the like the this class doesn't have

(24:15):
all of those movers that you typically see at skill positions.
For the first round, there's like three maybe four guys
and then one of them is playing defense. So so
Amara and Hampton, like two or three years ago, that
was a really really talented class across multiple positions. He's
probably a second round pick, maybe even a third. This
year he probably is a first round pick. And so

(24:36):
I don't know, I'm just rambling. My only point is
that this class is good. It's just it's not this
elite mountain that everyone keeps talking about it as and
we see this every year.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I believe good is A is A is A is
a decent term for it. You know, like quarterbacks I
think are just good. You know, wide receivers, there's there's
a couple, you know, but it's still it's it's not
like what like, I don't think we have the wide
receiver class we had last season, you know what I mean,
Like the running backs, I think.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
That their last season was crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
The yeah, I mean it was crazy. We got several
for year one thousand yard receivers, you know, double digit
touchdowns and even in bad offenses, like freaking Brian Thomas
Junior did with Mac Jones throw in the football at
the last half of the season, like it just uh,
you know, it was a good class. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Now Brian Thomas Junior, after doing all that, he's Will
Smith just looking at his carpet, just wondering where everybody
else in this team went.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's true, and that kind of gets looking at all the.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Targets he's about to get. I'm going to get paid
so much money.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know. They said that they want to get him involved.
You know, Cohen already said he's like, man, this is
the guy that we want to feed. This guy. We
want to get him tons of targets, and so like,
if you're a Brian Thomas Junior owner, you're probably like,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Cohen said, We're going to feature him, and then he
was like an I'm gonna go make we don't have
a choice anymore, guys. So here you go.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean you don't that kind of rookie production
go ahead stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh no, I was like, yeah, I agree, just like
eliminate literally all the competition and there you go. It's
like Parker Washington is now you know the next guy up,
you know him and Gabe Davis and that's.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
And and well we'll see. I'm sure that that's gonna change.
Like as we get into the draft, I think that
they're probably gonna They're probably gonna try to get somebody. Uh,
I'm curious. I think that they need more O line help,
Like they've got to get they've got to protect Trevor Lawrence.
And they said that they're committed to that, so you know,

(26:45):
I could see them spending that, you know, early first
round on a nice, beautiful old you know, come in
and says Britain's strange season. I don't hate that take.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean it's legendary ballno or how can you disagree
with it?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
But so this is the part of the show and
as we kind of get into the next segment, we're
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Speaker 1 (28:03):
So, Joe, one thing before we get this question. Every
time that I hear the trolls of Reddit part of
that commercial, it makes me think of.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
You as you should because people have read it are
very nice. I got my fantasy football start by posting
stuff and Reddit.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Right on, Joe. I remember when the Fantasy football so
I read it started like thirteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, I had when I broke up with a girl
right after I moved to Dallas, and I had to
delete my account and get a new Reddit account so
that she couldn't find my stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Joe, you.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Girlfriend talk.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I'm ending that conversation there. We're gonna go and answer
the geezers question for killing Joe's ex girlfriends. You're married
now with the baby. It's time to leave that in
the past. So the Geezer asked, does the presence of
debo positively or adversely effect make Lauren's numbers for the

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twenty twenty five season. You know you're shaking your head there, Ronnie.
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Neutral? They're completely different roles in the offense. They there
will be a little bit of overlap and some of
some of the yak tite style plays that Terry brand
last year. But I think this actually probably just benefits
or stays neutral for him. It's going to help open
up the offense, create another threat for the defense to
have to worry about. McLaurin is no longer the only

(29:25):
guy for them to pay attention to. I know Dotson
has been up and down, but U like they're different players.
It's like asking if for running back is going to
affect a wide receiver, Like, yeah, a little bit, but
not enough for it to really I don't think it's going.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
To change much. You have a thought stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean I kind of agree. I think it's
fine for McLaurin. I think if it's really well into
the offense, I think, you know, just Cliff is going
to be able to skate screens and you know things
at that short yardage and he's going to be, you know,
really perfect for we couldn't have had a better landing
spot for deeper. Now, whether we think Debot is watched
or not, it's another question. But I mean mclaurin's also

(30:06):
I mean, he's not like an ultra target hog either,
Like he's going to get there still taking the top
off defense as their deep threat, and you know they're
going to do their thing, and I think they're going
to work really well together. And I'm still wouldn't change
my priors on McLaurin because of Depot being there. If anything,
the offense should be getting a boost and be better overall.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, I think there's two components to it. So Terry
McLaurin is currently being drafted for best ball on like
Underdogs wide Receiver fourteen, which isn't terrible considering how he
finished last year. So I think if he dips from
that because of the Deebo Samuel news, I probably would
subscribe to that. I think that you have a couple
interesting points. One, Terry mclaurin's touchdown efficiency last year was

(30:53):
pretty insane. He's likely to regress from that. I think
the other thing we have to keep in mind is
that Washington had a fairly easy schedule because they were
the bottom of the barrel of the NFC East, so
that was a positive game script for them. If you
look at their game script numbers, Washington ran the ball
a lot because they were ahead of lot. I expect
them to have closer games this year. I agree with

(31:15):
Steph a lot about Cliff Kingsbury's want and desire I
guess from the offense to have low risk screen type
throws that really involved Deebo Samuel really well. But that's
not going to take away from Terry whatsoever. So I
do think that it's a positive move for him. I
don't think it's a direct comparison. But I think a
lot about Stefan Diggs going to Houston last year, a

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lot of people got really worked up about what does
that mean for Nicocollins and then Nico Collins outside of
the hamstring injury, top five wide receiver in the league
now number one for like the first eight weeks, right,
And I think we do have to consider that Terry
McLaurin is a little bit older than Nico Collins is,
but you have a budding prospect than Jaden Daniels. You
can see that they're really taking this step to be

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all in while he's on that rookie contract. And I
think that I feel really good about Terry, especially at
wide receiver fourteen. If you're drafting him as your wide
receiver too, I would probably feel pretty good about that. Yeah, Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Can I add one other thing, Tyler?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I would. You just brought up something that made me
change my tune just a little bit. I think it's
a neutral move for mclauren. But if you're drafting mclauren
this year, and you're drafting and based on what he
did last year, just know that that's probably the ceiling
like everything lined up for McLaren and Jayden Daniels last year,
we got another year of tape. Despite what we all
like to say, quarterbacks typically actually don't go nuclear the
second year after I have a good rookie season. We

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saw a major swing with that with CJ. Stroud last year.
But I think, like what we saw from Jayden Daniels
in that offense last year, there's not a lot of
room to grow from it right now. And so if
I had to bet on anything happened to any of
the players on the Washington offense next year, I would
have probably bet actually on a little bit of regression.
Not because they're even worse as a team, but like

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it was, Nuclear won league.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'm still in. I'm still say I'm still in. I'll
take the heat, I'll ride the wave. I don't care, uh,
I'm I'm in on mclauren. And you know, if Noah
Brown can be relevant alongside McLaurin, sure Debo can too.
I don't think that either one of them hurts mclaurin's numbers.
Like you said, they're very different receivers. But I call

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it college ball, call it, you know. Watching Jade Daniels
come in at halftime and in Arkansas leading by three touchdowns
and him take them and beat them in the game,
Like Jade and Daniels is a baller, Like he is
a baller, He's a winner. He will go get it.
So I'm not worried about it. I don't even like
coming into the draft, like people were okay about like

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Stroud last season, but you look at stroud season, which
was a surprise to us all, and it's still not.
I don't think it touches what Jade and Daniels did
last year.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Oh no, no, because the difference was Stroud. It was like, hey,
you're young, you're on a team that's not that great,
and you did well as far as like leading them
the Commanders. No, no, no, I get that. But it's
like if you look at like strictly fantasy, Stroud had
big games, but he didn't even throw thirty touchdown passes.
So it was like you were banking on him taking
that next step as a passer, especially for a guy

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that isn't necessarily a runner. Jade, and he offered that
floor off the bat. Looking at like his college numbers,
he had I think one hundred and twenty carries, his
final year. So it was like, all right, even if
he doesn't throw as much, then at least you're gonna
have that floor from the run game. He put it
all together, I know, which is funny because they're like, oh,
like he does this stuff with VR and all these things.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I have.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
What's up, Rachel. We have done all of this stuff
where it's like my little brother has like the NFL
VR thing. I almost flipped over my couch like just
like like trying to avoid a sack. So it's like
it's really interesting to like have all that stuff come together.
But I think his rushing ability and his willingness to run,
even if he regresses a little bit, you're seeing that

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a lot more in the fantasy relevant quarterbacks that you
have today.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
C J.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Stroud not a runner. He needs to throw forty touchdowns
a year to be a fantasy relevant player, even if
he's a good real life NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Fair enough. So speaking of that, you know, obviously we've
had the churning of players, and I saw this hit.
There was a there was a tweet that came out
about a potential Packers trade for DK Metcalf. So we're
gonna go back over to this Fantasy Sports of vest
No Advice Network coach Reetz laugh said, he said, if
if you're the Packers, do you prefer and I'm curious,

(35:50):
Step and I know you're in it, you're indeed, I
want your take on this. First. Do you prefer getting
DK Metcalf and giving up a the first round pick
twenty third overall and a Wix or Romeo Dobbs Or
would you rather not have DK keep Wicks and Dobbs

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and then be able to add any of the you know,
Golden Amika, Trey Harris, like Luther Burden, like any of
these guys with that pick? Which way do you lean?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, first of all, I know that he wants to
get a first, but I don't think anybody's gonna actually
pay a first. I don't think that's happening. So I
think it's gonna be maybe a second, maybe a third
and Dobbs, and that's fine. I mean, they need somebody
to late Watson. They're on the outside. And I mean
I do think the DK he fell off a little bit,

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but I mean he's still that ex receiver. You know,
he's still got it, and I think he would work
really well with Jaden Reid and let them give them
a lot to work with on the offense. So I
think it would be a very smart move to make
for the Packers. And you know, like we've been talking
about this wide receiver class, it doesn't have that much
super high end talent. We know what DK is, we

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don't know what these other guys are. And he's still
only twenty seven, Like he's still in his prime. It's
not like, you know, like DeVonta Adams might be a
good player still, but you're probably not going to get
much more than maybe you know this, he's starting to
be on his decline, where DK still has, you know,
some time left. So I do think that if I
was the Packers, I would look into the trade. As

(37:32):
long as I'm not I said, first is too rich,
but definitely maybe like a third and a player makes sense.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
It is interesting because it reminds me a lot of
the brandon A discourse from last year, which I still
am hurting as a Steelers fan because we didn't find
another wide receiver other than like the one moonball that
Mike Williams had that one game. We're like, wow, like
he still has it and then he just never saw
the field. Again, So I think that the first and

(37:59):
the third it's a fair value for DK. But the
problem is, from like the GM perspective, I also have
to give him a thirty million dollars a year contract.
So it's like, if you had to do one of
those two things, it probably wouldn't be that bad. But
having to do both of those in a vacuum where
the wide receiver talent coming out of drafts has been
so good, it's probably not worth what you're giving up

(38:21):
to make it happen. So I think that if that's
the price, if they're firm on that first and the third,
and then you have to pay DK, I think DK stays.
Now that being said, the news that broke today with
Geno Smith now being traded to the Raiders, I don't
know what the heck's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Did you hear that they tried to trade Geno and
DK to them for Max Crosby?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Wow, it got loud.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I didn't hear that?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Like laughed out of the building.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, Like yeah, M.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So, I think, dude, Joe, I actually I DK is
not worth a first round pick. He's not worth a
first round plus. He's not worth the second plus. His
contract plus his age ran the current landscape of wide receivers.
You're getting a third for that guy, and if you
want more than that, you better hope you're getting the miracle.

(39:10):
So if like the Packers, I would, they probably did
this over the last week. They probably looked at Saddle
and were like, you want a third and on Tavian Wicks, bye,
see you later. We're good. We'll go draft Jaden Higgins
and we'll have him handle the outside stuff while Christian
Watson's had hurt. Like, you can't go pay a guy
like Dk Metcalf I love, like Tyler knows, I'm a

(39:31):
big Seahawks fan. I've got an autographed DK metcalf jersey
hanging up in my bedroom. But he's really one dimensional.
He's a big body, kind of soft possession receiver that
can stretch a defense and can make some vertical catches.
Still doesn't run good routes, still doesn't get good separations,
still struggles with hand fighting. He is an overall like,

(39:53):
he's probably wide receiver thirty five thirty in the NFL
in terms of overall talent and impact. So the Packers
got to pay Jordan Love, they got all this other stuff.
There's no way. No, I don't even think they're a
good fit for DK because of all that.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
I think for DK, because Josh Jacobs completely just like
crapped on the entire wide receiver room. It was like, yeah,
like I could, I would rather.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
See them go trade for t Higgins. If they're going
to go do something with a guy that would be fire.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Well yeah, I mean we can all say that, but
I mean, most likely, unfortunately, is he's going to end
up back since he probably y yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, already they already did the franchise tag obviously like
travesty just like yeah, his mother tweeted t Higgins and
mother tweeted out talking about how disrespectful it was for
him to be franchise tagged twice and not get a contract.
It is kind of discerning. I mean, granted, he's gonna

(40:51):
get paid good money, but you know, you know, when
you get a contract like it's you're getting you're getting
forty million up front. You know, you're getting like a
you get a signing bonus, you get all this stuff
in it, and you get a top salary. Sure with
a with a franchise tag, but it's just not the same,
you know, and you don't get to come to work
and be like, this is where I'm going to be

(41:12):
for the next four years. You're living in that state
of you know, dissonance again of like and you wonder,
like for him, you know, you want to does the
team really value me? Like like, you know, do they
really want me here?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
You know that they won't give me a contract, They
won't like invest in me beyond a singular year.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
As the great Latrelle's free Well said in two thousand
and four, I have a family to feed.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Here that they did this to like extend the time
on they have for a contract talk. They didn't say
that the extension is not happening, So hopefully they do
right by them and that that's what they're doing here
and not just locking him in.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
That will be interesting, especially now that Trey Hendrickson is
kind of off the tables. Maybe they just decided, you
know what, we're not going to play defense at all,
Like we just said best defensive player who could have
been defensive Player of the Year, and you know what, script,
We're just gonna score forty points a game and then
it'll be fine, Like the best.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Fantasy Yeah, it's great for fantasy. The funny part is,
like they have I mean, their defense should not be
as bad as it was. Just got banged up. They
lost Dax Heel like, you know, they lost so many
players in the secondary. Like that, their defense is better
than than what how they played towards the end of
the season.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
They got cooked by Russell Wilson. Don't even try me
with this.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Wilson. Russell Wilson the Super Bowl, Like it's the guy
could still cook a little bit. I mean he did it,
you know. Now, granted he was really assisted by a
receiver that has incredible tracking ability on on those those
moon balls, you know. Uh, but I don't think that

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that's the case. Like the other thing is like, oh,
they got coop by Russell like they were, they were
beat up. The defense is not that bad now without
Trey Hendrickson, without a solid pass rush maybe talking about
something different. But they've got a premiere linebacker, They've got
decent defensive backs. They need some d they need some
D line. But it's not ugly, it's not it's not
the worst of the worst, and.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
It's a good draft for the defensive line as well,
at least in the middle d T is pretty deep.
I would say it's.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
A good draft though. It's a good if you want
pure pass rushers or you want interior defensive line. It's
a monster class man. There's like five guys on the
inside this year that might have DRAWNE first overall in
the last couple of classes on the in that position group,
it's nuts.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
So, you know, kind of kind of moving on from
the T. Higgins talk and and the DK. You know,
obviously we'll see how that pans out. You know, you
mentioned Geno. Geno to the Raiders is absolutely crazy to me,
especially third pick. I was like when that hit my phone,
I saw the alart, I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's crazy to me because so they're projecting or like
the the line in the sand was that Seattle wanted
to pay him thirty five a year. Gino's camp won
in forty five a year, and I was like, there
is no way that I would pay forty five million
dollars for Gino Smith. And then I started looking at
the players that are getting forty five million dollars a

(44:26):
year and I was like, no, you know what, yeah, okay,
like well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
And you look out the window and you look at
the free agent market and up draft class and you're like, oh,
oh yeah, here you go.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Here's the thing, though, like I don't know, and follow
me here, I don't know that Sam Howe cannot put
up the same production that Gino Smith put up for
significantly less, you know, obviously, and we saw like you know,
before they traded him in Washington, it wasn't like it

(45:00):
wasn't beautiful, but it wasn't you know, that.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Was pretty ugly. That's a great I mean you cannot like, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
On him, or the fact that he had like half
a second.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I mean that is also followed in though from college
like that is like being part of his program.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
And the good news is that Seattle doesn't have an
offensive line and Tyler. For as much as that you
hate Reddit, Reddit fantasy football loves Sam Howells. I think
that you have a home there.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
He that's because for fantasy if you only judged him
by his fantasy football put you'd be like, why is
this guy got started? It's crazy?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
But you know, here, here's the thing, Like, if I'm
the Seahawks, I'm not putting forty five million dollars a
year into Gino. I'm not personally. Well, that's why we
were Yeah, we would not run the same franchise, Joe,
And that's okay. B And like if you justified if
you're like, oh, let me look at the quarterbacks getting

(46:02):
forty five million. Oh, Daniel Jones is on that list.
Daniel Jones also doesn't have a team anymore.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It's like just because that other people get paid, that
doesn't mean that that's somebody's Like if I'm a GM
and it's Gino, right, and I have to decide if
I want to put forty five million a year, like
Matt Stafford was asking for fifty million. Like if I
put five million and Gino, I'm not in personally like,

(46:28):
but but that's okay, Like we can agree to disagree.
Nobody's hurt. Feelings are hurt. I'm just not putting forty
five million. I would rather take the third round pick
you got Sam hell that how they can pretty much
do the same thing, or you draft somebody you know.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Tyler, Can I back you up real quick?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I'm a Seattle fan, layer of the land here. So
this team is very very reminiscent to the twenty ten
squad that they had. They kind of had a quarterback,
but they didn't. If you all remember Tomorrows Jackson, they
kind of had like a well put together team, but
they didn't. They were like c plus at a lot

(47:06):
of positions, but they had a couple a pluses, and
they basically punted for a year and said, we're going
to invest in the draft for two seasons, solve our
quarterback and free agency in the draft, nurture this team,
and build out the roster before inserting the quarterback. I
have a feeling what they're doing right now after getting
rid of Tyler Lockett, opening DK up for trades, getting

(47:29):
rid of Gino as they're doing the same thing. They
know that they've got seven or eight premier blue chip
players on the roster right now, and they know that
this draft class does not offer a day one starter
that's going to change a franchise. It just doesn't. Every
single one of these guys in this class. I'm like, yo,
these guys could be great, and they might be good
day one, but really what you should do is put
them on the bench for a year. Which is now, okay,

(47:49):
we've gotten back to accepting that as NFL fans and
as critics. So if Seattle's smart. They're moving all these pieces.
They roll with Sam Howell, and they draft some one
like Jackson Dark, they put him on the bench, and
they basically rack up talent around that rookie to build
similar to what has been successful in like the only

(48:10):
successful path for rookie quarterbacks over the last seven years
is that process. And I think that's what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
And you think that would be a like either a
second round or like trade back up into the first
to make that happen.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Or do you think probably trade up into the end
of the first or take him. But I think they're
gonna go offensive line with their first round pick. I
talked to Scott Ingle yesterday actually about this, and he
was like, now we're going first offensive line in the
first no matter what happens. But like, they could also
go and sign Sam Darnold for a one year or
maybe a two year contract and do the same thing.
And that's when the guys say, Howel's gone. We don't care.

(48:43):
We've seen this for two years, but we're going to
go put a guy like cam Ward or Jackson Dart
or like shit, some of these other guys like Quinn yours.
I don't think he's very good. But you know, if
you're Seattle, you're saying twenty twenty seven is probably the
year where we could go Traine your franchise with a quarterback.
So let's just nurture for a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yeah, when users proof that the college football twenty five
curse is real, he is so bad.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I mean, yeah, he's so bad. It's ridiculous. Like their
receivers are good, I mean, they have like good players,
and he is just I don't know how they keep
producing with him, Like, honestly, it's it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Anyway, I agree with you, Steph Quin. There's a side
note on quin yours, like, oh my god, Ohio State
had the only receiver room that was better in all
of college.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Football, and he well, Howard lactorbo like I.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Could actually run a four to one. He probably would
have caught those passes.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
But you know, there you go.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Anyway, I hope that's that's what.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I hope. They're just basically saying we're going to play
the draft for the next two years and nurture this
team out, rather than like we're gonna go solve everything
with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I just I really hope that at some point in
my lifetime that the NFC like figures out how to
draft quarterbacks or like do something related to quarterbacks, because like,
as a fan of an AFC team, it's just been
such a domination of Mahomes, Brady Manning, and then like
you sprinkle in, like, oh, somehow, like Roethlisberger managed to

(50:15):
get it done a couple of years where it's like,
if you look at the NFC, it's like every year
a different quarterback makes it to the Super Bowl, and
it's like, so I like that path for Seattle. There's
not really a lot of elite quarterback competition in the NFC,
so you build up your roster around it. It's kind
of been the Seattle or not Seattle, the San Franisco
forty nine ers model. You have everything there, a good
enough quarterback and then make a run and see what happens.

(50:38):
So yeah, I fully support that.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I think that's the same time, why not, like, I mean,
depending on if you can get Darnold for cheap, I mean,
he still is young. Why not see what you got
in it? Though, I mean, why not take that option
because he might end up being better than a lot
of these quarterbacks in the class, Like, at least we've
seen that he can function as an NFL quarterback last year. Now,
how much was you know that they had a really

(51:04):
good coach and O'Connell and stuff, and can't he do
that outside of that system anywhere else? But if they
are maybe like you say, getting O Line which would
help as well obviously, and still building up around him
and then not maybe losing that draft capital, you know,
whatever they can afford, you know, to pay it, might

(51:25):
they might be able to get something for cheap, because
I mean, to me, it's just seeing Sam how is
told like, and I do agree that they're probably kind
of in a rebuild type, you know, mindset and not
like necessarily going all in to win for sure, but
how it really seems like you're just throwing in and
I don't know, it's like, why do you necessarily want
to take one of these guys that's maybe not as

(51:45):
good in the draft? Do you really want to play
that game? And then you know, because then if they
don't work out, what's gonna happen? You know, you're you're
just gonna have to be also waiting those picks every
year taking another quarterback too.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, I think Seattle, given that they have a premiere
draft slot at the one zero six, it would be
foolish for them to reach for a quarterback when they're
that quarterback. There's so many holes of the team that
they need help there. I think I do think that
Gino is like a ten to fifteen range in terms
of quarterbacks in the league. It's like he's good, not great,

(52:21):
But it's like one of those things was like, you
can build around that team and make noise. In the NFC,
there's a lot of changing of the guard. You have
a lot of teams like even just like you look
at their own division, like Arizona. Who knows what's gonna
happen with Kyler. He's talk of trade. They I forget
where it was they were talking about, Oh, Cleveland, They're
saying that he might end up in Cleveland of all places.

(52:41):
Like weirdly enough, so it's like the NFC West, which
was considered one of the best divisions in the NFC,
is kind of gone NFC North. There's a lot of
noise that's happening there, but outside of that, there's no
real sure up contenders. So it's like, how can you
best build that team around it? And I think that
Seattle has been pretty proactive about doing that, so be

(53:03):
it'd be fun to watch to see what they do.
But yeah, they got some dogs in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Man.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I love a lot of the people that they have there.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
So let me give a little bit of perspective. Because
I heard Geno was worth it. I've heard Sam Darnald.
It took Geno ten seasons before he put up numbers
to surpass Howe's sophomore season and sophomore season where the
only season he actually played seventeen games, how through for

(53:30):
almost four thousand yards in twenty one touchdowns. He was
QB twelve in fantasy. It took Geno ten years to
get even to surpass a four thousand yard passing mark.
You look at Donald, it took him one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven years to pass a four thousand yard passing mark.

(53:53):
So to say that Sam Howe's out when he's already
done and he did it in his sophomore season, and
then he got dished off because they took and Daniels
one overall, which is fine. Like to say that he
can't do it or he won't put up those numbers,
I think is crazy because he's already done that. He
did it earlier than either of the other two guys
in the conversation. He just takes a little bit of

(54:15):
development and a little bit of like a team investing
in you, right, and so there's a high pot even
like you look at Gino, So you look, you know
the year that Sam Howe sophomore year, he finished QB twelve.
Gino finished QB like seventeen in the same season in PPR.
So it's like, I don't think it's an outlandish take, No,

(54:41):
I he could actually steer that offense.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Wait, wait before you jump in, Joe, let me I'm
going to bridge the gap between both you guys and
confirm what Stephanie said. Sam Darnold coming in Seattle will
uh Sam Howell using him for a year just to
see what they have, and he is an above average
shit quarterback, crap quarterback. Excuse me, I'm sorry and sorry,

(55:09):
he's a ship quarterback, like he works at the docks.
But what Seattle is doing right now is they're basically
acknowledging that in this draft class, there is no immediate
answer and there's probably not any answer besides project projects.
Next year, we're probably not getting all the guys we want.
Arch and Nko they're probably not both declaring next year,

(55:30):
but seven twenty twenty seven, yeah, I know. Twenty twenty
seven though is probably like where you know you can
go get a quarterback little change for franchise. See, we
don't know that the next two years, so you can
bridget with Donald or Howel.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, here's the thing though, like people are saying, can
Donald be a franchise guy now instead of a bridge quarterback?
And like, look what we got for the first six
years of his career, even Gino, Like oh Gino franchise.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Playing the Jets like Gates like a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Well, dude, what was playing for the Commanders the last
three seasons?

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Like it was got a new owner and then what
immediately happened became good?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Right, but he played under the bad owner. Sure, but
to me it's worse than the Jets.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
But as your bar Sam Darnold can be a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Anyways, Interasing with the Sam Howell piece that if you
look going into his last year in University of North Carolina,
there was a lot of speculation about him being the
number one quarterback in that draft class, and he didn't
live up to the hype at UNC. Part of it
maybe was the injuries that he suffered throughout the year. Maybe,
but like there was too much Andy Dalton I would

(56:44):
take any day of the week.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I mean, I've been watching and franchise quarterback the bare minimum.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Anyways, so uh, we've got, we've got, We're we're coming
up on the end of the show. And I wanted
to give everybody a chance. So in free agency, okay,
let's say you can paint the picture your dream come true.
Move happens, whether it be your team or another team.

(57:12):
You know, what is a free agency move that is possible,
that could that could they can make waves in the
NFL that you would be excited about.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
There's there's no good free agents this year.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
The best news that I can have as a Steelers
fan is that we don't bring back Russell Wilson. Oh
my god, you're I'm not a hater. The dude is
washed it. I don't need that.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
You know, I went to high school with him.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I put the Steelers to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Is that about right now? Or okay?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Oh man, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Can it be trade?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
There's no rule.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Because like let's use DK Metcalf as an example. He's
he's a free agent, all right, He's not technically, but
he's a free I want DK Metcalf the ideal scenario
for me, which is crackpot and I tweeted about this
earlier today, but I want to see the fantasy football
industry just can bust on itself after he gets traded
to the Commanders. If they go to be amazing, people

(58:25):
would lose their mind. And I think Jade Daniels like
people would sell their cars to go get him in
dynasty leagues. But realistically speaking, thought Drake May, I think
it is poised for a breakout, but that team needs
an outside presence, and they need a reliable deep threat
that can also and they also need help in the
red zone. There is only one guy that free agent
or not, that is available right now in the NFL

(58:47):
that offers that, and it is a DK Metcalf. And
if you go put him on that offense, they draft
a good wide receiver and maybe they go get Evan Ingram.
All of a sudden, I think Drake May is a
top ten dynasty quarterback.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Do we need Ingram? Okay, we don't know because they're
just gonna start plitting the tight ends. They don't need
more tight ends. They just want to collect tight ends.
They really don't. I mean, I rather because because then
you're gonna kill Hunter, Harry and Evan Ingram's fantasy value
and I'm playing for fantasy, not real life. Unfortunately, in

(59:20):
real life it's probably a much better move. I would
love to see DK Metcalf there, I think along the
same note, uh, he would also be great maybe like
on the Chargers or something, you know, compliment like lad.
I'd also go ahead and say Devanta Adams in that

(59:42):
mix as well, would be a really fun one, really
fun landing spot. He wants to go somewhere, maybe on
the West coast, he said for my Cowboys, I would
love them to do anything that is not Jonathan Mingo,
you know, like just do something smart, anything that is smart.
You know, I don't know. I get very nervous saying,

(01:00:04):
because you know, they said they would to be selectively
active during free agency or selectively aggressive or something was
the quote. I believe. So they need a number two
wide receiver, they need a running back, they need some
O line. I don't know what they're gonna do, but

(01:00:24):
I am terrified that we're going to like end up
with like washed DeAndre Hopkins or something along those lines.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, I think that's or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Maybe Amari Cooper coming back. I've heard, and I think
he you know, he didn't look great either, but I
would be I think maybe Diggs could be fun on
the Cowboys, get the brothers together, you know, if he's not,
because it seems like they say he's got interest. So
hopefully the injury he can come back from, he might

(01:00:57):
have a little something left. And that one I could
actually see its being more realistic. I think we have
a team. Lance Godwin is gonna be getting somebody like
amazing as long as he's pretty healthy. He'd be another
fun one on the Patriots as well. I mean, heck
they Patriots d people take them both, then they can
have a slot and the outside and like the twenty

(01:01:19):
million and catspace, like they are not gonna be able
to like even use all that much, like spend the money,
Like they can't spend it all if they try. Like
Drake may is a baller like I was. I tell like,
you know, Jaden Daniels had a great season, like I
was a Matrouther and I was like he looked I

(01:01:39):
love him, and he looked great, Runny for his freaking life,
like he did so much, was so little in the
worst coaching situation, like everything was against him, and he
showed that he can like overcome, like get that man
an Oline, get that man some weapons, and I think
the Patriots could like really take a step for I mean,

(01:02:00):
is going to be so much better for them, I mean,
like everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Bring it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Wait, wait before before Joe goes, I just I have
to correct myself. I got really excited earlier because I
was thinking about the Washington Redskins thing or excuse me,
Commander's thing, like I want it's Evan Ingram potentially to
not the Redskins or not the Commanders, not the Patriots,
Broncos twice in a row. Sorry the Broncos. You nailed it.

(01:02:27):
And what I was talking with Buddy about last night
was DK Metcalf actually going to the Patriots. That's ideal
spot number one. Evan Ingram going to the Broncos to
serve as the joker over there, and then Chris Godwin
also going to the Patriots, which is what you said
that just a second ago. Stephan reminded me of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I also think Juwan Johnson might end up going to
the Broncos because of the history with Peyton.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Yeah, that seems fair.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, because that's the one dultgic is not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I mean, I really.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Wanted to make dulg just happen, but it hasn't happened.
Like maybe we're not as smart as we think, and
they know something we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Andrew Cooper just fell into his knees and has no
idea why because he just brought him up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Multiple coaching staffs now that haven't seen it with him,
like you know, at first, it was like maybe like
one person doesn't know what they're talking about, but you
can't even get on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
We're talking about Oh yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Right, Joe, what's your Who's who's you? What's your move?
My guys?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Najie Harris. I could see him going to a team
like the Chargers. I think that he's one of those
guys that he's played for a pretty mediocre team with
a bad line and a bad quarterback, so he doesn't
get a good rap. But if you look at the
running back class, if he subscribed to the Ronnie Evans, hey,
this running back class isn't actually as good as we think.

(01:03:58):
Naja could come in. He's only twenty six years old,
he's about to have his birthday. But he could come
in and really improve from what we've expected of him
as a first round pick. I don't think he's going
to be expensive as we think from the sources that
I have from the Steelers. He's not returning to the Steelers,
so he's going to be looking elsewhere. You could see

(01:04:18):
him going to the Raiders, you could see him going
to the Chargers. We'll see where he lands, but I
think that he's going to be one of those guys
that he's played pretty much every game that he's had
the opportunity to. He is not fitting the style of
offense that Ardie Smith wants to run in Pittsburgh. And
I think that if he goes to the right situation,
he's going to be a later round pick because he

(01:04:40):
hasn't lived up to the hype pretty much every year
that he's been in the league. So you could probably
get him at of value in fantasy draftslect depending on
where he is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
What do you think you can do?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I have another spot. I have another spot for Nage
that they could be fun. What about going to the Bears.
He could be like their David Montgomery ooh with the swift,
you know, like swift is the a catch. They are
now shoring up their line. They've you know, been investing
these resources getting ready for a running back. It's like, yeah,

(01:05:09):
they could maybe take somebody with that first pick, like
super high. They might go after gent now that I
think that's also more realistic. But I mean nause Like
you say, he's been he's shown he could be a workhorse.
He's hardly ever missed games. He's just slow and steady basically,
and he does all the things good enough. Like he's
not great, he's not fantastic, but coaches like it. You know,
he knows how to get it done and that you know,

(01:05:30):
it's just that same similarity. And we saw what they did,
you know, what Ben Johnson did with them in Detroit.
It just seems like it would just fit the system
and what they liked to do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
The Bears would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
It could be really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Joe, Joe, I take offense to the fact that you
took my my subduing of this running back class and
use nausey Harris.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Do I have his jersey? In my closet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Maybe, Like, if you're gonna say that, like I would,
I would say, no, go draft Caleb Johnson and move forth.
Don't go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I mean I would also do that, but I just
know the NFL doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Here's Tyler. Here's my final my final take, and then
I'm gonna not talk for the rest of the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I'm gonna let you take my turn.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Go ahead, thank you, all right. I'm Tyler and this
is my takea. The Denver Broncos trade for DK Metcalf,
they pick up Evan Ingram, and they draft Ash and
Gent and then you cannot rank bow Knicks outside of
your top ten Dynasty quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
I will trade bow Knicks if that happens, because there
is no way that that's sustainable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
But Bo is incredible another show another day. I'll debate
him to death. He's real good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
So you wear an orange?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Do they trade him? Is that how they get Like?
Is that how they get DK Metcalf?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
DoD They like, give trade for DK Ingram?

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Well? No, no, no, Like I said, some because it
feels like DK and Sutton are pretty you know, kind
of have some of a little bit of a crossover.
DK is probably better.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
But Sutton's a chain mover and a conversion specialist. DK
is a field stretcher and kind of a red zone threat,
so they they I get where you go. It's actually
what I had talked to my buddy about the same thing.
I was Jeffy Matteo shout out to him, but he
former scout blah blah blah blah, and he was like, no, no,
that would be perfect because Courtland, Sutton, and DK would
offer big targets for Bonix, which he excels with. But

(01:07:29):
they actually play completely different roles, which was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
So so you're trying to kill my Marvin Man's is
what I hear.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
You're trying to know. I like Marvin Man. It's not
my trade. I don't like it. It's not my I
don't like to take brun All right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Sala, You know the best part about it being your
show is that even though you gave it to Ronnie,
you can still bring it home.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
No, Tyler, thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, Ronnie, Ronnie used it up. We are now ten
minutes past time, so we got to roll. But I'll
tell you what, next week, I will open the show
with the free agent move if it has not happened
yet that I want to see happen, and it's a
good one. I think it stacks up. And I'll tell
you this, Joe, I've got a lot of pickings shares

(01:08:16):
in my dynasty leagues. Hint, hint.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
So anyway, i might not be on the Steelers next year.
I'm just saying, by the way, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Okay with that anyway. So thank you all for tuning in.
Thank you wonderful guests. If you would, real quick, just
let the audience know where they can find you, where
they can find your work if they want to connect
with some more of your takes and your content. We'll
start with Ronnie and go counterclockwise. Gohea, Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
If you're watching, it's right there at the bottom left
corner of the screen at Ronnie A. Evans on X.
I'm also on Blue Sky, but I haven't used yet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
All right, I did not, unfortunately put my Twitter handle
in my name, so it's not all my but you
can follow me on or excuse me on X not
Twitter at Steph Miller fifty seven. You can also check
out some of my work over at Legendary upside dot com.
And I am on Blue Sky as well, And I
do not know my handle off hand, but it is

(01:09:15):
somewhere in Steph Miller, so you can probably just like
search the fantasy football stuff and find it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
You know, do we not use consistent handles across platforms?
People like what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Steph Miller apparently is a very common name, so they
made me use different numbers with it a lot of times.
There's many of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Us fifty seven, thirty four, Stephan Miller twelve. I'm just kidding,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Joe, Yeah, you can find me at JEFRK. I'm also
on the Fantasy Football Advice Network, so you can find
me anywhere that. There is probably some semblance of Joe
Frick in the world LinkedIn Twitter, Facebook, it's all the
same joeof RK. We keep it consistent. So there's a
lot of Joe Fricks in the world, but one. It's
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