The Sleepers of Rounds 3 & 4 2025 Dynasty Rookie Mock - 🏈 Fantasy Football Q&A "From the Forum" - From The Forum

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
What's up, everybody. Welcome to from the forum. Tonight we
are live. You are catching the continuation of our rookie
mock Draft. We went through rounds one and rounds two,
and now we're hitting rounds three and four. These are
the rounds where you can find the sleepers, the deep crabs,
the players that nobody else are thinking about that could

(00:44):
potentially win you your leagues. I've got Disco, I've got Debro
from Fantasy Pros. I've got Joe the Man Frick on
the stream tonight. So hang in there, check it out.
We will be going through rounds three and four, and
pay attention to the takes. This is where you can

(01:04):
win your leagues. You don't win your leagues in round
one and two. You get the people that everybody knows.
You win in three and four when you get the
sleepers that nobody else is looking at. So pay attention,
enjoy the ride.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
All right, Well, I guess I'm still gonna avoid the
whole camp scatabo things, so I'm actually gonna jump down
a couple running backs. I'm surprised that he went as
late in the draft as he did. I'm not going
to repeat my spiel about how New Orleans. I'm expecting
him to run a lot of plays. But I'm really
interested in Devin Neil, especially in the third round. So
for me, he's somebody that's like very shifty and has

(01:39):
a lot of agility as a runner. He has great vision,
and I think that he's a natural pass catcher. Obviously,
Kamara is still gonna be the alpha of that offense,
but I do think that he can carve out a role.
I don't really see a lot of potential and the
other running backs in New Orleans, so I'll take a
swing out.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I love Devin Neil pre draft. I love his skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
The only thing that kind of lowered me on and
was just com has got good money on that contract
for the next two years. The backfield's kind of messy,
but like I mean, to your point, you know, cream
rises at the top, man, Devin Neil's got the talent.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
So I'm gonna do this pic because he's there, and
not because I like him, but because my brother's a
Giants fan and he would absolutely hate me if I
didn't take this pick. So I'm gonna take Skataboo on
the shot that somehow he makes his way into a
significant role and really it's just this one's for my brother, Josh.

(02:33):
I appreciate you. I know you're so excited when Scatabo
got drafted to the UH to the Giants. So there
you go, one for the homies.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
However, I thought you were gonna make like I thought
this was just a really long soliloquy for Thomas Faedoni.
But man know, maybe I was kind of surprising Scatabo.
But you know it's good.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, no, right, oh gosh, I don't love it. I
don't love it, but you know, like I will say
this about.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Like, I think Scatabo is going to be the workhorse
in that backfield in short order, man like Tyrone Tracy.
It's the pass pro ands the fumbles. I think Scatabo's
got a clear When they draft, you don't draft a
volume back like that. But that like, Okay, there's a
pretty good chance we're gonna lean on this dude. But
that's that's just my take on him.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
So go ahead, go ahead, Okay, what do you think
his ceiling is?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Because I've the comp that I've heard a lot is
like David Montgomery. I think that's like too high in
my opinion, I think if he carves out a David
Montgomery career, that would be awesome to me, Like, best
case scenario for him is like Damian Pierce, he has
that good rookie season and then they immediately replace him.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think what you're looking at is the big that
the answer, the real answer to that question is what
happens with the with the coaching staff if if he ins,
if they if they keep day Ball and he crushes
in his rookie season, then that's what gives him the
path to remain their workhorse guy if they get if
they fire the coach and they fire the GM, then

(04:01):
we're talking about a Day three running back And if
he was in a committee for part of that year
or he was only the starter for the back end
of the year, you're looking at like this could be
the next Michael Carter, Tyler Algier, pick your flavor of
Day three running back that eventually gets Tyrone Tracy, Like
this could be your new flavor of like he just
gets replaced. So, to me, the answer to that question

(04:21):
is not just what Campskattaboo does in his rookie season.
To me, the better the better way to answer that is,
do you think that Brian deb All keeps his.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Job, you know, and that is a that is a
big question because he's got a lot ride in including
a rookie quarterback on that question. Uh, but you know,
Camp'skattabu really weirdly enough kind of the comparison that I
it's it's like that, it's like a weird mixture. He's
a gamer, right like and and you gotta you gotta

(04:51):
sometimes like talent like or forty speed or things like
are those things are overcompen are compensated by somebody that's
that plays the game. And so like for me, Skataboo
is this weird mixture of Peyton Hillis meets Danny Woodhead.

(05:12):
I know that's like a really weird example. But he
runs like he has power and and but he also
he's a decent receiver, like.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
The only two relevant white running backs for that comparison.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
No, I didn't, I mean, I mean Mike would be
in the in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
He is not a Mike Allstart is a truck. Yes,
Peyton Hillis was a truck later in his career, not
so much early.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Skataboo is kind of like a souped up minivan.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's a good take. I like that. I don't know,
all right, just go eure upe, I digress. I was.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I was kind of considering Cam Skataboo during the entire process,
just simply because of what he put on tape this
last year. And then I heard something from Pat fitz
Morris on the Fantasy Pros and Debro on the Fantasy Pros.
They said he was quirky and not the best teammate
and may lack some work ethic translation, that's the only

(06:13):
reason why I'm avoiding him, and that's the only reason
why I'm buying where people are dipping on Tyrone Tracy.
But let's keep that between us. Okay, here, guys, it's
another scenario where I'm just going to go and get
my guy. I'm gonna go get my guy. If we're
talking about you know, somebody who has pretty much every

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record out of all the wide receivers who have ever
gone to the University of Miami, and if you look
at the lineage and the legacy at the University of Miami,
I think it translates. And I know he went undrafted,
but I know beat reporters exactly exavor Verstrappo don't even
have to talk about it every record. You look at

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Michael Irvin, you look at Johnson, you look at all
of them, Santana Moss, all those wide receivers. He's the
best out of all of them. So it's a it's
a no brainer. I think he's going to be spectacular
or one. And he's kind of his college quarterback, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I like to pick and the college quarterbacks the key
to me Gojo or Debro.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm just gonna stay. You know, this is a combination.
There's a lot of ways I could go right here.
There's a long tier of guys that I like. Here,
I'm gonna get one of my guys. I know it
looks like it's crowded right now, but talent rises at
the top. Christian Kirk can't stay healthy. Jalen Doll, come
on down, man, like he was a top by wide

(07:41):
receiver for me in this class or at the entire
of this process. I am over the moon with his
talent and I was surprised he dipped the third round.
But I mean guys, like we've seen the NFL screw
up draft capital for guys that they deem whether it's
slot only, things like that, year after year, year Nola's
got the speed, the route running ability. He can play outside.

(08:05):
He could beat man Press. When I was down there
in Senior Bowl, nobody could guard this dude. He got
open every single rep and to go crush the combine.
I really if Kurt can't stay healthy this year, you're
looking at twenty twenty five. Jalen Knowle is twenty twenty three.
Tank Dell.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I thought he was gonna go to the Pats
in the round two.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I was surprised that the Pats are going to really
regret the fact that they draft. This is Lad McConkey
and Jalen Polk all over again. The Pats are going
to regret the fact that they drafted Kyle Williams over
Jalen Knowle.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, and I like Kyle Williams too.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I'm not a huge fanlive, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
All right, So in the spirit of tight end premium,
I'm gonna take this high upside pick with Elijah Royo.
Biggest issue with him is his ability to stay healthy.
But Noah Fense, he was there a first round pick
a few years back. Hen't really done anything. One year
left on the deal. Seattle has like a new regime
of pass catching out there. So I think for me
third round, I think it's a great fit for him

(09:09):
to kind of throw that Dart. I know there's a
lot of other people in that tier of tight ends,
but I think that he has the most upside as
a pass catcher.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That that's who I was deciding between Joe, just to
put it out there like it was. It was nol
or Royo for me. So that was a good pick,
very good pick.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So I like that this landed on round six where
I took Judkins earlier. I'm gonna take Dylan Sampson right here.
Uh and I'm gonna I'm gonna handcuff for the next
four years. The Browns running game.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Uh so I feel full Browns. Are you taking Sugar
Sanders next round too?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'll pass on that one that you did like running
it's running backs. I mean, you could have.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Cornered the market on Cleveland Browns, bro like you could
have gone Judkins.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
He wants to get over the working on Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
My wife, Big Brown, say it, man, Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Brown's are the worst. You know. I watched Draft Day
back when it first came out, and I did I
didn't have a favorite NFL team, and I was like,
you know what, I can be a Browns fan. I
can do this. And then they go and they draft Baker,
Baker takes him to the playoffs. I'm like, yeah, I
can be a Browns fan. And then they dish Baker
to bring in the you know, Deshaun Watson on unsurmounted

(10:30):
Guaranteed Money, and I was like, this is why people
cannot be Browns fans. Hence the end of my Browns fandom.
And with Nick Chubb leaving, the last piece of the
Browns puzzle that I really enjoyed is now gone. I'm out, Oh, you.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Sound like a normal Browns fan now, like that even
Browns fans don't want to be Browns fans exactly.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I was expecting the brown paper bag to come out
at any given moment.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
No excuse you, sir, that's for the Aints. That's that's
only for my former fan base. Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I feel like the Pirates should also be allowed to
wear brown paperbags because they are the Baseball Browns.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Fair. I don't know Baseball Baseball show right, keep.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It moving does happen a lot? All right?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
So I'm really invested. I don't know if you guys
follow my tweets, and if you don't, it might be
a good thing for your sanity, because I'll drive you nuts.
I'm very invested in the Patrick Mahomes revenge tour and
I'm not going with royals here, so do not preemptively
pick that guy. I'm once again, you are you are not.

(11:38):
I'm going to get my guys, and I'm going to
continue to get my guys. There's a there's a clear
path that Britchard Smith and will be running back.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Stope on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Now you're chopping ankles. Okay, we need you're you're chopping
ankles here the no we know. I agree. I love
the I love the pick. I was hoping he would
make it at least one more slew through the group.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
That was my four pick.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
That is a fantasy football If you don't take.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Your guys, guy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
If they're gone, Hans debro.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Man, All right, well see what happened was Okay, So
this is a long tier. I I think that where
we're at, and I think all of these guys are
going too late. To be honest, I think Arroyo goes
too late in drafts. He got a little more respect
here but I think Arroyo should be going in the
back end of the second round. I also think that

(12:48):
that there are two other titands that are on the board.
It's the exact same setup Asjah Elijah Royo has, where
there is an incumbent starter that is on the last
year of their contract and they are gone after this year.
They tested good enough, they got good landing spots. I'm
gonna take Terrence Ferguson here, dude. I just think if

(13:08):
you're in any kind of tight end premium formats, he
needs to be somebody. This the trifecta of tight ends
that are going in the third round right now. A Royo,
Ferguson and one other guy are the reason why you
do not have to pay up for Loveland and Warren
in rookie drafts right now, who have clouded outlooks for
year one. They're gonna probably be at the top of

(13:30):
every twenty twenty six bi low article that is written
in Dynasty next year. And so for me, we should
take the discount on really talented tight ends, and Royo
and Ferguson are starting that tier. So yeah, its wheels up, man,
Like Higgbee's gone after this year.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Tyler Hay's like the least impressive tight end ever. Like
somehow people convince themselves every year there's gonna be a
top ten.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I remember, do you remember way back when whenever people
were like he had that five game stretch, and then
we into the next year and everybody's like, Tyler, hit me,
he's a dear Travis Kelsey. Now I remember fighting that
the entire time, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know
about that.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I really just hope that Dan clips this specific part
just for the voice acting.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Then I just witnessed we are definitely gonna be clipping
these parts. By the way, if you're still tuned in,
make sure you hit the light, make sure you hit
the sub. Appreciate you. We are in the tail end
of the third round with one round to go. This
is where you get the meat. This is where you
get the players that everybody else is sleeping on. The
late round grabs where you can really win. We've seen
it year after year after year, somebody come out of

(14:38):
this round three through four, and so already some guys
have been highlighted that are gonna fall in your draft
that you can grab and so hopefully you're paying on
I love the Brishard Smith pig man. It's that sweet.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
He's going to be Jerry McKinnon in that offense sooner
rather than later, like he's gonna have Kareem Hunt is
the direct backup to Isaiah Pacheck this year. I think
we could see out the gate, Pa Checko and Burchard
Smith leading the way. I love that pick so much.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I'm still not ruling out like Elijah Mitchell. If he
can put it together and finally be healthy, he might
do something. But that's a basketball conversation, not a rookie conversation.
It's gonna be one or the other that you know.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I mean, you just look at that backfield. Who is
the guy that's different as far as skills set from
every other player that they have, and it's Bashard Smith.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I would say it's Elijah Mitchell. He's got that game
breaking speed.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
He yeah, very similar to Isaiah Pacheco in that, I'll
say that.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Though stylistically yes, but speed wise not even close.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
All right, So I'm gonna jump into my pick real quick.
So this was a former no star recruit pretty much,
I had nobody looking at him when he was going
into college. Becomes the third most prolific rushier in Kansas
State history. I really like just his all around game.
DJ Giddens for me, not looking at an immediate role
sitting behind Jonathan Taylor, but I don't really care for

(16:05):
any of the backup options that are there. Jonathan Taylor
historically has been a pretty healthy running back. We're starting
to see maybe a little bit of signs of him
breaking down a little bit, so I'll take the risk there.
I think he can be good in a pass catching situation,
so in a PPR format, I thinks worth the risk.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I love Giddens, man. I hated the fact that he
fell so far in the draft.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I was surprised that he did. Honestly, I thought he
would have won a little higher.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I think it came down to just the depth of
this running back class, and teams were playing chicken. If
you had to take him like Devin Neil, DJ Giddens,
probably Brichard Smith, all of these guys. If you'd have
thrown him into last year's class, we're talking about round three,
round four picks, oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
For yeah, all right here, you know it's this is
difficult for me because I really want to grab uh
j Lynn Royals here, but uh, since it is super Flex,
I'm gonna take a stab here and I'm gonna go

(17:10):
to Cleveland Brown. No you can. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
As much exception you can get both the quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm gonna take Will Howard really, okay, I am. I'm
gonna take Will Howard there. There's some things Will Howard
to me, like he got a really bad rap because
of his combine performance, like I mean, and the fact
he played on Ohio State. He had elite receivers. He
didn't have to do it. What we know about Will

(17:40):
Howard is Will Howard sharp like he he is between
the ears process and read like Will Howard can do it. Uh.
Will Howard falls into that Steelers prototypical quarterback that Terry
Bradshaw Ben Roethlisberger six four, two thirty five. And I
don't I just think that people are sleepy, You don't. Yes,

(18:03):
that team was a beast, but still national championship quarterback
Anthony Richardson didn't win a national championship, you know what
I mean. And I'm not gonna like just pin on that.
But what I'm saying is in a super Flex League,
Round three or four for a quarterback that I feel
like if Aaron Rodgers gets finicky and decides he doesn't sign,

(18:28):
could have a shot at starting. I hope he doesn't
start year one because their team is straight garbage, but
they could see enough from him for him to get
a shot at year two. If they don't, of course
that's pending they don't draft anybody, which Will I don't think.
I don't know. It's one of those my guys things.
I've got a lot of optimism for Will Howard. I

(18:50):
think he's being slept on. I think the offense leans
itself towards possibility for him, and I think he wants
to work. I mean I saw a tweet that came
out and it was like, you know, Will Howard immediately
was calling the quarterback coach to get the playbook, you know,
like he's gonna work. I think he's got something to prove.
And anytime you have somebody like that that can you know,

(19:13):
in his completion percentage increased year over year, I mean
from going seventy two percent last year. Like, I just
think there's a lot of possibility there. And so in
a super flex I'm gonna take I'm gonna quote risk
it for the biscuit.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Well, you don't have to worry about Aaron Rodgers taking
his spot anytime soon, because he's gonna be taking J. J.
McCarthy's spot voluntary.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
It was I said you up. It was like a
nice you know.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man, he laid it up. I had to alloe you
a pit all right. Once again, going with my guys,
Guys who I believe are gonna have immediate impact, because
I don't really care about investing in two three years.
Immediate impact. If you're a coach who is a Super
Bowl win and coach comes out and compares you to
somebody who broke fantasy football in the past, I don't

(20:06):
know if it's a good comparison or the bat side
of him. But if you get Michael Thomas comparisons, give
me Pat Bryan from the Denver Broncos at Pat Bryant
from the Denver Broncos wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, I didn't get expect.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Very good pick. Well, I'm just gonna stay consistent. I
really love Basil Touton. Now I'm gonna take the arbitrage
Basil Tooton, Uh, the guy that I feel like we
collectively a lot of people are looking at this Rams
backfield wrong. I'm gonna take Jarquest Hunter here. You look

(20:48):
at stacking these guys up. Tell me in describing a backfield.
You have a veteran that is on his rookie uh
that that excuse me, that is on the last year
of his contract, so he's probably gone. You have a
former third round pick that did nothing, and honestly, I
thought he was a very overrated prospect with a lot

(21:09):
of question marks because of injuries and his tackle breaking
metrics dropping in every single collegiate season. And they go
and add to this backfield. This is exactly the same
situation that Baseil Touton is walking into, except he doesn't
have all the puff and praise. He's still tested decently,
ran fast, and he has put up just awesome numbers

(21:31):
of the last three years at Auburn. I think there
is a world that we are living in. We flip
over the cards. It's week five, Week six, where Kyron
and Jarka's Hunter are running neck and neck. This is
more of a split backfield. And everybody that thinks that Okay,
jark Wes Hunter is not gonna make noise, Kyroen keeps
the job. Okay, would y'all all say about Rashad White
last year, it inefficient running backs keep the job until

(21:53):
there is a dude that is put in that depth
chart that is good enough to take work from them.
Jark West Hunter is good enough to do that to
Kyron Williams.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Let's go all right, So we're on the last round here,
I'm gonna take a guy that probably you can get
a little bit later than this, but I'm gonna go
with Tory Horton. He was at Colorado State. Pretty big dude, six'.
Three he ran like a four to four of the
combine with a busted up. Knee so to, me he's
walking into A Seattle seahawks room WHERE i think that

(22:27):
he could be a wide receiver three in his first,
season kind of like How i'm feeling about The arroyo.
Pick there's you HAVE, jsn but what else behind? Him
so with the change of the, GUARD i think that
injury kind of plummeted his stock a. Bit so to,
me it's a dark throat That i'll be worth.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Taking So tyler's got all The browns players And joe
is getting all The. Seahawks So Damian martinez is your next.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Pick. No not for? Me are you talking about For? Joe?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Forget maybe MAYBE i did like our tin has a.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
LOT i was.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Astonished i'm just giving.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
You OH i love. IT i appreciate. It i'm gonna
go uh, here And i'm going to. Take AND i
hate it that they were just they just started lighting
it up in the. Chat rusty Said taj better get.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Drafted oh he was gonna get, Drafted, rusty no.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Doubt oh, Yeah i'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Take i'm gonna Take Taj brooks right. Here we're going
to do.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
IT i was gonna do.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
It so, yeah Then Chase brown got a ton of
work last year and he can't do it on its.
Own And Taj brooks is the compliment they. NEED i
think he could be a touchdown machine back to, back
back to back thousand yard seasons for, him you know,

(23:47):
It texas. TECH I i JUST i like, him AND
i think that there's a pathway in, this in this
NEW nfl where we get AND i say, new there's
been a huge trend shift to these dual running back,
roles The sonic And knuckles type. Deal right that everybody's

(24:10):
pushing that. Narrative AND i think there's a world really
where you get two running backs in an offense that
can help you be significantly, successful and this offense is
set up for that very. Quickly.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
YEAH i love Taj. Man he's a bowl and ball handle.
Volume he's underrated in the past and. Game there's multiple
spots Where Texas tech sent him up the seam and
this dude has over the, shoulder one hand catches on his. Film.
Man so another player that, like if he'd come out
in last year's, class he would have been around four.
PICK i fully believe that he's a better player than

(24:43):
any of those guys Like Braylen allen Todge brooks would
lap Him, Man so, DEFINITELY i Definitely that's another reason
Why i'm lower On Chase. BROWN i think Todge brooks
can make some. Noiseier.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
One let's go.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
All, right disc, Goo, Okay So i'm not a Big dynasty, Guy,
right let's just put it out. There my thing is best.
BALL i do, bestball And i've been very blessed to
have met some, really really really successful people in the
best ball, world predominantly On. DRAFTERS i Had updog on

(25:17):
my show earlier, today and he's finished second in the
main tournament. Twice, now and he said he can't stop
Drafting Jalen. Royals and the reason why it is, one
you don't draft players who are coming off of an
injury or Injured Rashi Rice. Hello and you don't draft
players who are potentially going to get Suspended Rashi Rice.

(25:37):
Hello so he's a Double whannie. Exavior worthy's going to
need some. Help And Jalen royals is in a perfect
scenario for The Patrick mahomes Revenge. Tour and he said
he's an, updog said he's very invested In Jalen. ROYALS
i don't know much on, him BUT i, mean, yeah
give Me. Royals he seems best.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
AVAILABLE i Liked roles as a prospect. Man he's if
he would have played the entire year and not not
come down with the, INJURY i think he would have
gone higher in the. Draft and the other thing was
like throughout the entirety of the draft, process he was
also dinged. UP i got to talk to him At
Senior bowl and The. Combine so even when he tested
and even when he was At Senior, bowl he wasn't fully.

(26:17):
Healthy it wasn't the, foot but just a soft tissue.
Injury SO i think there's there's multiple paths to like
Where Jalen royal should have gone higher in the, draft
and coming from a small school and stuff like that
didn't help him. Either if he'd gone to like AN sec,
school he would have been a day a day two.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Pick so he's, hurt. NOTED i mean.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
He's not that he's hurt right, now but he he
had softissue stuff throughout the entirety of the. Process so.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Who's your player com for? Him just just, quick.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
DUDE i had the hardest time comping, him man. Like
he the CLOSEST i got to him Was quincy and
nunwah like before he got. Hurt but He royal's game
is so hard to comp because he is a ridiculous rack.
Threat like you put the ball in his hands and
he just. Goes he's, Physical he's a better route runner

(27:11):
than people get in Credit. LIKE i couldn't find a
good comp for, him to be.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Honest he's a thicker. Guy he's got some, mum that's
what you're, saying.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Dude he he was one of the few guys in
mobile that actually knew how to beat man press off the,
line and he wasn't doing all this TikTok route garbage
that like people love and one on ones that like
when you put it in a real, game you're, Like,
okay are you gonna stay on schedule or are you
still dancing at the, line like are you gonna get
into your? Route like what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Here, okay thank you for letting me pick your?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Brand?

Speaker 3 (27:40):
NICE i Love. Royals, Man i'm gonna go with the
last guy of that trumb at the tight. Ends Uh
david And joku is a free agent after this, season
so the pathway is. Clear the draft capital is. THERE
i was worried That Harrod fannon was gonna get Jahem
beld because of the testing and a team saying we
don't know what to do with this. Guy but The
Cleveland brown, said, nah third round. Capital our tight end

(28:02):
is out the door after this.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Year let's.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
GO i like it very, good all, Right i'll try
to keep this. Quick my next Pick canna Be Woody
marks out OF. USC i think he was a big
part of that offense last. Year good, vision. Acceleration he's
not like a high end speed, guy but he gets
to his top year pretty, quick so his ability to
make people miss good. Size he's five to ten to

(28:24):
TEN i think he can kind of fit in And
houston And joe mixing up. There in age hasn't been
able to stay. Healthy he had the ankle issues last.
YEAR i think he comes in with a clean. Slate but,
YEAH i think That wood he could have himself a good.
Time and who doesn't love the Name? Wood he.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Marks so that's just do.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
When we get, Deep tyler's out of razorbacks to draft and.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
My brain on the players THAT i would like to take,
it you, Know and what's crazy is like there's play
here that would That I'VE i, mean in the drafts
That i've done have been gone by, now like like you,
know you got you, Know Kyle williams is still. Available m,
hm you. Know and And i'm not a Big Kyle

(29:15):
williams parent out Uh elick is still. Available there's just
so many people there that are still available that are
like on the fringe of like they have they have
potential and, capital but like you don't like LIKE I
Kyle williams went a lot earlier in the draft THAN

(29:40):
i thought he was going to, go and they they,
wanted you, know they and so like at this point your,
draft you're in the fourth, round you're, like and and
then the the wide receiver room is is not like
just filled with, studs you, know so you're, like is
there a possibility? There and so it's like there's some

(30:00):
of those times where you just want to like throw.
DARTS i have drafted Zero Kyle. Williams i've drafted Zero
elik at this. Point AND i want you guys perspective
at this, point in halfway through the fourth round in
a twelve team rookie, draft is it are you still

(30:21):
not looking to take like one of those. GUYS i
think IT'S.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think it's. EITHER i think it's either you take
the shot On shador OR i would Go Kyle williams
and you bet on the draft. Capitol i'm not A
Kyle williams, guy AND i would Take Kyle williams on
the board right now based off of just hedging that
Maybe i'm, wrong AND i would lean on the draft.
Capitol so and that's that's someone's how you have to
look at.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It like, this, Lace i'm not Taking, Kyle so like
you could Take shador and count On kyle coming back to.
You you get you get the best of both, Worlds
you get best available with your last two, PICKS.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I would say, Me i'm just saying, like just, Personally
i'm gonna Take kyle.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Here i'm JUST i. AM i will take zero shares of.
Shooter it's not a personal. Thing i'm just not a.
Believer i'm.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
OUT i tried The jedi mind tricks and it didn't.
Work my.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Bad it's, Okay i'll take.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
It, dang he's sliding in another, guy all. Right so
so my next pick is more of like a sorry dark.
Joke it's more of a handcuff. Situation but the archetype
is it's he fits the mold of the scheme that
he's in and he is the direct replacement archetype of

(31:40):
the player that he would be the handcuff. Of and
That's Marcus.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yarns.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Right so you talk About Alvin, Kamara Alvin kamara as
a receiving, back he gets THAT ppr. VOLUME i Think
neil has a role solidified for him no matter what
the scenario, is with a Healthy camaro or without An Alvin.
Kamara but if you're talking about the, archetype the passing,
volume the receiving, volume just just being an all around running,

(32:05):
Back Marcus yarns fits that mold and it is one
hundred percent injury. Dependent But kamara's getting up there in.
Agent i'm definitely going to take shots On yarns at
this point of the.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
DRAFT i hate the fact that he went U. Dfa
IF i got again this this deep running back class
hurts so many, guys like Like Marcus, charns Who i've.
LIKE i had a fourth round grade on, him, so,
like you, know just you, know it's just one of
those things where you hate to see talented players fall
and you hope the talents a rise at the, top

(32:36):
and In yarns it could definitely. HAPPEN i could take
one of a few different, guys like you could talk
me Into, eleck you can talk me Into Shuder. SANDERS
I i don't take the shots on quarterbacks later in
drafts that much Because i'm a big believer that like
draft capital buys you opportunities and stuff like that with.

(32:56):
Quarterbacks so, really quarterbacks that go outside of the two
rounds of THE Nfl, DRAFT i kind of fade. Them
and If i'm, Wrong i'm. Wrong But i'm gonna take
a dart throat on a guy THAT i. Love pre draft.
Process he landed in a, spot didn't get the draft capital,
wanted but landed in a spot where he is one
injury away from being the lead back in that, backfield

(33:20):
Possibly Jacory Krossky, merritt come on. Down if this guy
wouldn't have missed because of eligibility issues twenty twenty fourth,
season which THE ncaa screwed him, Over if that wouldn't
have been the, case he would have gone much higher
in THE nfl. Draft his tackle breaking, metrics like in
twenty twenty, three he was top twenty in so many

(33:40):
different categories THAT i care, about and his film backs
it up.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
To, yeah he's definitely a really good Player i'm interested to,
See like especially With, robinson he gets banged up quite a.
Bit he could slide in there pretty, quickly but it'll
be uphill battle for.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
YEAH i mean you go into camp and stuff like.
That eckler And, NICHOLS i, mean like jere, McNichols like
all those guys will be above. Him but the other
part about, it like McNichols And eckler are going to
play pretty much the same. Role so you're looking at
the direct handcuff To brian Robertson junior is gonna be.
Merit AND i mean they didn't Even Chris rodriguez didn't
even play a role last year in the. Backfield so you,

(34:18):
KNOW i don't think that he's magically, gonna you, know
jump out of the woodwork this.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Year all, Right i'll keep this one short and. Sweet
i'm gonna take the slide on Al kayomanar for no
other reason That tennessee doesn't have a ton outside Of Calvin.
Ridley just see what happens dart. THERE i feel fourth
round is very. FAIR i probably wouldn't go after him
in drafts just BECAUSE i don't have a lot of
faith in The tennessee. Offense but at the price, point

(34:42):
it just seems like an easy choice to.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Make, YEP.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I love the late, rounds BUT i also hate. Him
typically Here i'm trading out and often grabbing maybe a
third next. Season my fourth round picks tend to be, like,
hey let me trade you for a third next.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Season I'LL i don't think anything after a second round
is like worth my like, energy so, LIKE i usually
just try to get rid of as.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Many but, see here's the, Thing like a third turns
into two thirds for a, second.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Gobble them all. Up, MAN i want to all late, darts.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
AND i don't, Mind LIKE i like taking the late.
Darts but like there are people that, go like they
get really excited about deep prospects and so they're, like,
Yeah i'll give, You i'll give you an early third
for this pick here at the end of the fourth
and next, year like that early third is gonna be you,
know one of these guys here in the third round
or one of these guys in the second round that

(35:43):
falls a little, bit you, know and, uh you know,
Here i'm gonna, Go i'm gonna honorable mention. Somebody but,
well let me ask you, this and de bro disco give.
ME i would LOVE i think this is an important.

(36:04):
QUESTION i think everybody is. Wondering, okay there was a
wide receiver that had a first round, Grade, okay that
that got into a little trouble before THE Nfl draft
and ended up being undrafted free. Agent, okay so let
me ask. You are you completely out On Isaiah? Bond,

(36:26):
like is there is there no realm where he comes
in and to be the kind of Trouble i'm.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Out THE nfl told us very loudly they want no
part of whatever is going.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
On with.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
HIM i want no part Of Isaiah. BOND i will
not draft him in any. LEAGUE i don't care when
you say you're going to break the record and then
you weren't even the fastest guy on your. Team, yeah
BUT i mean it's it's all the other all field.
Stuff that's why he. DIDN'T i.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Agree i'm not drafting any off field. Issues i'm not
an off field issues guy because it's.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Not just that he didn't get. Drafted he didn't even
get A udfa contract from the. Team so like THE
nfl is telling like he is not going to be
in the.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
League he's not going to THE cfl, Either like he's
not coming up.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Here so he's just.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
DONE i.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Wouldn't to, me anybody that drafts him is burning a.
Pick that's WHAT i would.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Say we can see if he wants to be on
the show next.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Week, NO I i, Agree i'm. OUT i just had
to ask the question Because i've seen him go at
the end of the fourth, round and you, KNOW i
think it's something that people are, wondering is like this
guy who was, touted you, know and we've seen people
with trouble issues like still you, know have their things
like everybody's still big on Like Rashi rice and like

(37:37):
you know these different players and like this is you
can't not have the conversation, right like you can't.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Know there's a fine, line AND i think he crossed
that fine line with what he is accused.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Of, Agreed AND i appreciate the the trent or the
not really getting in too deep. There for me, Here
i'm gonna it's super, flex it's the fourth. Round i'm
gonna take a, shot and, Uh i'm gonna Take Dylan.

(38:10):
Gabriel he did.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Go with a. Brown he was just taking the time
of his.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Life what, Personally, Okay so, personally if WE i have
a ton Of christian McCaffrey, shares an absolute ton Of
christian McCaffrey. Shares so if it's me drafting here in
the fourth, ROUND i probably Take Jordan, james but in
a super flex like somebody that goes at that kind

(38:38):
of capital Over schadur or over. Whoever AND i really
felt bad for the guy because you, know the crowd's
Cheering chadur and he's LIKE i was drafted ahead of,
him you, Know, like BUT i Think Dylan gabriel they
really liked. Him The browns really liked. Him if you
look at the phone, Call if you watch the phone
call on draft night To Dylan gabriel and you see

(39:01):
the coaches and the GM's, excitement and then you fast
forward and you watch the phone call they made To.
Shadur there is a very different reaction from the coaches
in those rooms as they made those phone. Calls so you,
know if you got to take a deep, grab sure
it's the end of the FOURTH.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I got.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
IT i actually Like Dylan gabriel a. LOT i was
hoping he would end up somewhere where he's not competing
With Shador, sanders who got drafted in the fifth. Round
that wasn't on my big old, card but it is
what it. IS i still like him a. Lot SO
i like your pick, there all. Right i'm sticking to
the whole concept of drafting archetypes and you, know historical data.

(39:45):
INFORMATION i don't think a lot of people are familiar
with this. Name they shouldn't, be but Historically josh McDaniels
in The New England, patriots there's a certain kind of
undrafted white slot back that that always tends to produce

(40:06):
and be absolutely. Spectacular and if you look at efton
chism on The New England patriots out Of Eastern. Washington
he actually has like a lot Of Eastern washington. Record
you know who else went To Eastern washington as a
white WEIRD i thought this.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Was A Land larison like build, Up LIKE i. DIDN'T
i was to read where you were.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Going you need to think it was Chism, yeah, YEAH
i thought.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
You were Going Land. LARRISON i thought you were like
going like, again, like, yeah, YEAH i. MISSED i missed that.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Totally my player comp is like somewhere Between cooper cup
And Julian. Edelman not because of the, color but he
was incredibly. Productive and this is obviously not an immediate,
thing but if you look at archetype scheme, fit he's
gonna find a way in the roster of the next
two to three. Years so he's definitely my favorite late

(41:02):
last stash play in. Fantasy and this is just The
homer in.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Me love. It So, debro you get to kind of
finish out the draft and you get the, honor the,
privilege the grandiose deal of picking Mister irrelevant for our rookie.
Draft so everybody that's left that could be a sleeper

(41:27):
could be a potential person is on the, board and
you have the job to prioritize out of all of,
them who is the most worth it selection at the
last pick of the. Draft.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Man there's a lot of different, ways LIKE i could
go with, THIS i COULD i could Draft Shador sanders,
here but, again like my problem with putting a draft
capital Behind shador And i'll take a shot on him
like the end of like third round and fourth rounds
and a lot of different. Drafts my problem with Sh
door is if anything happens to that front office and
coaching staff after this, Year you're talking about a quarterback

(42:01):
that doesn't have any draft capital behind his. Name so
unless he just wows the, world does he keep the?
DRABS i, mean So i'm not gonna go With shador.
Here there's a lot of LIKE i can make a
case for a tight end. PREMIUM i can make a
case For Gunner HELM I i talk About kyle and
On Guy, Ronde, GADSTEN i can even go as deep

(42:22):
as Like Mitchell, Evans Thomas. Fadone But i'm gonna go
ahead and just Take Savion williams. HERE i think the
third round capital by The Green Bay packers says a.
TON i think The Green Bay packers there is a
world we're living in possibly where The Green Bay packers, say,
Yeah Jane reid's been, okay But Jane reid has not

(42:43):
been what we wanted to be in this. Offense And
Savion williams could be their Deepot samuel And Green. BAY
i could see it happen to.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
HIM i, WAS i was waiting for you to make that.
PICK i was, like he has not Taken savion. YET
i cannot take him BECAUSE i Have.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
SO i can't take him because you he.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Can you only Draft arkansas or Green.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Bay he committed To arkansas and then he, decommitted.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
So you got to Turn so that's why you didn't draft.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Him well you, know, Okay SO I i love. IT
i appreciate the. Draft there it is for you. Guys
that's there on the. Screen we're gonna we're gonna kind
of round this thing out with. There obviously after the,
draft it is a waiver wire Spine shenanigans right to

(43:33):
try to get some of these. Leftovers SO i, mean
we'll just kind of go around the. Room we'll start You,
joe then Go, disco Then debro And i'll kind of
round it? Out who OR i guess we can go
in draft, order will Go Joe me and Then disco And.
Debro who is the? Guy, like if you're gonna spin, Fab,
like if you're gonna spin, fab you're gonna try to

(43:54):
grab somebody that could be your could be your RESTREPO
u of THE nfl. Draft you know who's that gonna?
Be just give the audience one at least one solid.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Player, Yeah Derek gardy, mentioned But kyle the fun Gaymin
on guy went to The. Bears there's not a lot
of running backed up. THERE i also just love to
say that. Name SO i wouldn't spend too much fab on,
it BUT i would throw a couple of dollars at
it because fab isn't real.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Money love. It hold, On i've got To i've got a. Retool,
now go, ahead go, Ahead.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Disco Uh, SO i don't believe In Hunter. Henry as
A New England patriots, fan we brought in this really
talented tight end From alabama as an unsigned or sorry
undrafted free, agent C. J Dipp ray from From. BAMA
a big, fan great, talent he can block like not,
tomorrow and he's very.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Athletic Awesome, Uh I'm i'm gonna go. Here and this
is not necessarily a player. Thing i'm gonna. SAY i,
mean if he goes, UNDRAFTED i haven't seen a ton
of drafts where he goes. Undrafted But Ollie, gordon you know,
This miami offense cannot keep running backs. Healthy they can't like.

(45:16):
That that has Been Miken daniel's, thing like he he
cannot keep running backs. Healthy we saw it In San,
francisco we see it in The Miami and the difference
Is Allie gordon is like the one thing that they haven't,
had you know What i'm. Saying they have a lot
of really, small light, scat fat scot back fast, players

(45:37):
AND i think THAT i, mean obviously he had a huge,
production he had good production in. COLLEGE i think that
he's a solid grab here, late especially in undrafted free.
Agents i'm gonna try to target him just for.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Potential i'm just gonna just kind of word vomb here
and kind of spray the board. Here there's a bunch
of different guys THAT i, want Like after And. Waivers
we have not talked about, it And i'm just gonna
go with the guys we have not talked about. Yet Jordan.
WATKINS i thought he was the arbitrage playoff Of Jalen
noole inside outside wide, receiver, fast. Physical he goes To

(46:17):
San francisco in the fourth. Round Juan jennings is probably
gonna leave after this. Season he's a free, agent so
you could be looking at a guy that could be
starting for the forty nine ers next. Year Dante. Thornton
really only If i'm in a dynasty bestball, League that's
WHERE i want to go With. Thornton we know what
he's gonna. Do, Man he's, fast he's, Big he's gonna
run deep, overs go routes like he is YOUR. Nbs

(46:40):
he's the guy that's gonna lead to spike weeks Of
gino's chucking a. Deep it's probably To Dante Thornton. Junior
if you're in tight end premium, BRO i, MEAN i
can make you a case For Gunner helm being the
starting tight end for The Tennessee. Titans Thomas Faedone Like.
Giants The giants have gone after this archetype of big
and super athletic year after year after. Year Theo johnson

(47:04):
is coming off of a foot. Injury Daniel bellinger never
turned out to be. Anything fidonia is a guy, that
Like nebraska could not have used him any worse than
they possibly. Did massive rass score guy like almost a perfect.
Ten last, dude he's the BIG i think there's two

(47:25):
reasons WHY i felt like he went to the seventh. Round,
one it's the medicals because double you tear both your
acls in. College not, Good. Okay the other part about
that Is nebraska wasn't throwing the, ball so he wasn't
gonna have the analytics and the. Numbers but you turn
on the, film he jumps off the. Page two other
names for tight end premium People Mitchell. Evans if he

(47:46):
wouldn't have gotten, hurt he would have gone higher in the.
Draft he is the most complete tight end on The
Carolina panthers, roster and also Throwing Gavin bartholomew. Here bartholomew
just didn't get utilized well like Pitts berg basically, said
we're gonna ask you to chip and run out into
the flat every single, time or stay in line and.
Block he has the athletic measurables if you were to

(48:09):
tell me flip over the. Cards. ONE i think he
is The Josh oliver replacement as the tight end two
in that roster Behind hockinson For. Minnesota if you were
to flip over the cards and you tell me we
are two to three years down the, line And i'm,
saying stash this guy in a taxi, squad and we
look up And Gavin bartholomew is a solid starting tight
end in THE. Nfl he's Like ka Doot nish where

(48:32):
he's a top twelve to fifteen tight end and a
really good. Offense i'm not gonna be surprised at all
because he's got all of the raw intangibles to be
a solid league gaverage starting tight end and if he
scores touchdowns in a good, offense that leads to maybe
low te one production in a. Season good.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Stuff, WELL i hope you got the. JUICE i hope
you got some some good stuff from this. Show. TONIGHT
i will split this into two episodes for the, Replay
what a Crew, Man disco De. Bro thank you so
much for for coming on your first time on the

(49:15):
from the forum, audience hit the like, button hit the subscribe.
Again appreciate you all for tuning, in you, know getting
some love their disco. Raid pardon, me didn't see that. Earlier, Uh,
joe who is The Matt collins of this?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Group you know who it's going to, Be Ricky, white
the third seventh round wide receiver for one other team
than The Seattle.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Seahawks why do you have this?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Information because because because he's blocked he blocked four kicks last,
year which is just like, insane.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Because he's A Seattle. Seahawks we're keeping the trends alive.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Here, yeah the trends, alive, right, Yeah, james gents appreciate, It.
James look you, guys the people tune in the. Show you're. Awesome,
Guests Debro disco. Awesome thanks. Everybody as you, know nine
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