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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What's up, everybody. Welcome to Friday Night from the Forum.
Uh man, I got a crew here with me. We
are here to uh to rip it up tonight. We're
talking about some uh some hot takes, some heaters, some
NFL news and uh yeah, you're you're not gonna want

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to miss this one. I've got some great folks in
with me. I'm just gonna give me a second real
quick to introduce you themselves, Matt hit us Off.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Except everybody, and Matt Babbage.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I write for a Place Profiler, as well as being
half of the Dynasty Roundtable podcast with Seth d. Wild
Over on YouTube and apologies in advance. AT and T
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
Blame the corporations.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Always blame the corporations. Right, I'll follow that up. My
name is Steve. My internet provider did not screw me over,
So thank you for Verizon. We'll give you a little
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do a lot of entertainment over there, and I'm also
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can catch me there and jump in and tell me

(01:36):
how awful I am and how I don't know shit
about football anytime you want. So I'm gonna prove what
little I know here tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
And Tyler, we're falling back together again. We've had two
weeks of play two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Two weeks ago, you hosted by yourself. Last week it
was me and three Jabbroni's no, I'm just kidding. It
was a great show. Yeah, man, you know this. It's
been crazy. The NFL has been crazy. We got Daniel
Jones Anthony richardson quarterback competition. We got Russell Wilson carrying
the Giants and elite neighbors fantasy season on his shoulders.

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Geno Smith gets to rejoin Pete Carroll in Las Vegas,
you know, and he got paid to do it, you know.
And now we have this new Derreck Cark, you know,
conundrum where the Saints may have been thinking about potentially
taking a quarterback in the draft. Now I almost wonder

(02:38):
if they're forced to or or are they brave enough
to run one more year with Spencer Rattler? What do
you think?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I I gotta tell you this. So here's here's my idea. Right,
if you're in the New Orleans Saints, why not, Right,
there's no one in this draft that you're looking at
that really warrants trading up for. There's no one in
this draft that warrants a reach. Why not give it
to Spencer Ratler. Worst case scenario, which in this case
isn't all that bad. You're awful and you get the
number one pick and you just get Arch Manning next year.

(03:17):
What are you competing for right now? Your roster is
a mess, your cap situation's a mess. Derek Carr needs
to go right, So you got another year off of
his contract. He's probably much easier to move next season.
Why not give the keys to Spencer Rattler? Best case scenario?
You got something there and he shows you know what,
I am the QB of the future. Great or he's

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terrible and you're the worst team in the league. Great.
Either way. I feel like the Saints can't lose.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, I think I saw something today that said with them,
they did some cap maneuvering, because, like you said, they've
been kicking the can on their cap for what seems
like pretty much since the salary cap was invented.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
And I believe that they.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Said next year ark apit should be like sixty nine
million dollars nice. So to me, it's just like you
need to bite that bullet. I think they have.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Too many holes on that team to really go for it.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
I would rather secure a position of a premium talent
in this draft and not try to force the issue.
I know there's a lot of people that have been like, oh,
like should or Sanders, he's already worn the black and gold.
Let him go to New Orleans do his thing. I
don't think that it really fits. They just added a
new head coach, so there's not the urgency to go

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out and.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Get a quarterback in the draft.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I think at the earliest that they would consider it
is if you see like a dart in the second
round or something like that, and the value may just
be good, too good for them to pass up. I
don't really see it. I think that they go defensive
line in this draft because they need it and maybe
they'll finally get their cap under control at least.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
So Matt, I'm gonna Aaron Rodgers is waiting for calls.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
That is true that Aaron Rodgers is waiting for calls
that it is true best of both worlds. You can
take and not have to watch Spencer Radley play football.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't know if they can afford them those The
only thing I mean, does the city of New Orleans
really need another disaster?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Like Aaron Rodgers is really not the kind of guy like,
why would they? Why put them through that?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Here, here's let me get let me throw you this
grandiose theory. Okay, So three teams in the NFL have
potentially devastating seasons ahead of them with quarterback conundrums, and
they are three teams that could potentially take quarterbacks in

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this year's draft. No, it's not the Steelers, so you can, okay, Okay,
So Giants, obviously we know it's a mess. Russell Wilson Jamis,
they don't care. I think that they're just gonna go play,
have fun, lose games, Move on, right, Giants, Colts, Anthony Richardson,

(05:59):
Daniel Joe still not good? You know? Then? Now Derek
Carr and the Saints. Now there is one tie to
all three of these teams, and it is a singular
last name, that last name being Manning regime quarterbacks Archie Saints, Giants,

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Eli Colts Peyton.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
So could they essentially just be going, we don't care,
We're just gonna play. We're not gonna take a quarterback
this year because we're all three in on tank for
the namesake?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Why is everybody so big on Arch? I just want
to get that out there on recording. Like the kids
thrown like twelve passes in college.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It doesn't matter. It's called a last name, the last
I think.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think it's more that what you've seen out of
him has been more than you're certainly seeing out of
these quarterbacks this year. Maybe cam Ward has an argument
like that he's gotten a little under hyped, but Arch
is just like, the talent is there. He's athletic, he's
got the arm, he's got the pedigree, he's got the namesake.

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He'll sell you a ton of jerseys at the very least. Sure,
I'm not necessarily sold that he may be the top
quarterback in next year's draft. You never know, right who
knows who comes out and looks the number one. But
it's got to be better than what we're getting right now.
Like I mean, this draft is an absolute mess, and
when it comes to quarterback, like cam Ward, for as

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good as he looked at times, looked equally as bad
at other times, and should be nowhere near the top
pick in most drafts. But here we are, and now
he's the number one pick essentially.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Sure. You know, chev would would absolutely kill me for
saying this, as you know he is a huge Shadur fan.
But you know you talk about name, I mean, we're
that's It's only a conversation because Dion right, like like
if it's any other year and it's not tied to

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some big name, some giant pedigree, it's what do we have?
You know? Like even like his interviews, Like if you
listen to the interviews or how he talks to teams,
it's like this ultimate confidence, Like you get a lot
of Dion in the way he like and like, you
know there's GM's are not going, oh man, I'm so

(08:32):
excited for this to be a pinnacle piece. And it's like,
would you sign if you could go back, would you
sign up again for the Lonzo ball madness? You know
in the NBA? It's like do you want that? Right? Like,
I don't know, maybe you've got a different opinion. Do
you think sugar can be a strong I mean, can

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be a pinnacle quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think he can. I think there's similarities between him
and Ward to where there's a lot of untapped potential there,
but there's there's a lot of risk. I don't think
a head coach like Brian Dable, for example, who's coaching
for his job in New York, is going to be
over the moon about taking a Sugar Sanders type because
there is that floor there. We saw the tendencies at

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Colorado that translate to trouble in terms of quarterback prospects.
But at the same time, quarterbacking is a lot about
the situation that you're put in, and if if Schador
takes this seriously, goes to work. We saw enough arm
talent to where if he gets into the right situation
and gets molded by a competent staff with a good surrounding,

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he could really become a good starter in the league.
I think you just have to start pinpointing where the
realistic landing spots for him in the draft, and do
those organizations mimic something that could mold him into a
serviceable starter. And that's where I gain less confidence.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know it. The crazy thing is like that narrative, though,
I struggle with it a little bit. And and you
know this is a very open conversation, you know, but
I struggle with that because you know, you have you
have you know Anthony Richardson, who blew off the combo.
I mean, just like an extremely athletic guy, right, he

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goes into a Shane Steichen system who basically you know,
Herbert Hurt like Jalen Hurts like you know, it just
is a parent viewed as like a keycog development type
piece for any offense when it comes to molding a quarterback. Right,
so he gets Anthony Richardson, a premium athlete. All you

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have to do is really mold the quarterback. And we're
still sitting here going could it be? Could Anthony Richardson
do it? And and I was down on. I was
never a fan of Anthony richards I've said at the
last three shows, talked about it. I've always been out
on Anthony Richardson. But you know, you believe separate like

(11:07):
is obviously Shuder isn't as much legs and running as
probably Anthony Richardson. You believe Shadur is able to be
developed in an NFL caliber.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think so yeah, and I think it did. I
mean NFL caliber. You know what is that because with
some of the quarterbacks that we got that got starts
last year, I mean, Anthony Richardson is an NFL caliber
quarterback right now, he's just not a very good one.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, yeah, we're talking relevance. But yeah, I know I
gets you mean.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I think one thing that the NFL's kind of lost
the plot on is if you're if you're having to say, oh,
if this guy goes to the right situation, if he
gets time to develop, if he goes to this, if
he doesn't, that's not a first round guy. Like period
under story. You can't burn a first round pick on
a guy who needs all these things to go right
for him to be serviceable. Right Like Anthony Richardson, I

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will say I still am kind of a truther of
what he could be. I do think he's in a
situation where that offense just doesn't really fit any of
what he does well. When he first started his rookie year,
it seemed like they built the offense around him, and
then last year it looked like they kind of built
the offense for Joe Flacco a bit and were like,
learn it and it doesn't play to any of his strengths.

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Like he really is like a touchdown or check down
kind of thrower. And they're living in that intermediate space
in Indianapolis way way too much. They does need to
be RPO, single read, get the ball out of his
hands or let him launch it downfield kind of things.
But should hear Sanders. There's no elite traits to should
a Sanders game, not one no one could put. I've

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asked a million different people what is he elite at,
and no one could point to one thing. He has
an average arm at best. He has average accuracy. He
processed the game kind of at a slow pace. He's
not a great athlete. Takes too many sacks. People like
he doesn't throw interceptions cause he was getting sacked the
entire time. Rather than throwing a interception, he just takes
fifteen yard loss. And in college you can make up

(13:02):
for that when you have Travis Hunter, but at the
NFL level you cannot. You take a fifteen yard loss,
you might as well just punt the ball away. So
I don't really know why we're like. I do think
it's a bit of a de On effect, Like that
team was built around should or looking half decent. Half
of his passes were within five yards, even Dion didn't
trust him.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
For sure, I think that the whole like situation thing,
even with Anthony Richardson, they're I think the biggest thing
for him was like the mental aspect of the game.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
He had all the.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Physical tools, but he was very boisterous about like how
easy the game was gonna be for him. He was like, Oh,
the NFL is gonna be slow, the NFL is gonna
be that, And he hasn't shown that. I think that
a lot of times, especially with black quarterbacks, Black quarterbacks
that showed confidence. It's almost shown as like a negative
in a lot of situations. But like I want my

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quarterback to come in and say like hey, like yeah,
I'm gonna be great. I mean these things. So it's
like to me, I don't see that as a knock
for Shador. So I'm curious to see where he lands.
The one thing I will say about him potentially going
to the Giants, he was very used to having no
offensive line in Colorado. Pretty much as soon as he
got the ball, he had someone in his face that'd
be very similar for him if he does end up
with the Giants, because their offensive line has been atrocious

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for years.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, that's a that's a fair assessment, you know, and
Anthony Rich we we talk about it. You know, it's
a little bit of a search, right, Like it's kind
of that combine effect where you know, we saw it
with Zach Wilson, right, Like he's he's very mid all season,
like through his career, very mid, and then he gets

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to the combine he makes that one throw off his
back foot and everybody's like, oh my gosh, like Zach will.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And now everybody does that throw at the combine every year.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right right, you know, but it's like in freaking you know,
Sam Darnald made the same throw. Like there's like so
many guys and like San Darnald did it in games.
You know, it's like you get that. It's like anthy
Rich wasn't even considered at the tier he was until
he had that combine showing. And you know, the combine
shows and then all of a sudden, here we go,

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and you know, the the narrative lifts, and so it
it's a byproduct of that. I think it was. It
was unrealistic expectations. I think that this year it's a
lot of I agree Brent that the this quarterback class
is tough. It's a lot of searching. Like right, there's
not a lot of real meat there and so they're searching.

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And I would say cam Ward's probably the closest we got.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I I actually think the QB one in this class
is going to wind up in that in that black
and gold as it's Jackson Dark, I don't forget that's
the guy went out of this draft.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm I'm good with it. I'm good with I'm good
with the Dark call that My only thing is so
you know, it's funny. Everybody was relating to bo Callahan
from Draft Day and I watched this show this morning.
I'm er this movie this morning. I'm a fan. I

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know how it's gonna end every single time, and I
still watch it. But Jackson Dart is bo Callahan to me.
He's got the arm, he can make the throws, but
if he starts getting pummeled, he loses himself.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
And that's a lot of quarterbacks though, that's more quarterbacks
than we want to admit. Yeah, that's Patrick Mahomes too.
Like I hate to say that, but that's true.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Patrick Mahomes still manages to fight through. Like Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Is because every time we've watched him get his ass whooped,
it turns into an absolute slaughter because he can't handle it.
No quarterback can. And I'm not saying it's just Mahomes.
Most quarterbacks can't handle that. It's like a weird narrative.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
There's a difference though, in like stepping up to perform
in those moments, like Mahomes is getting sacked, he's half
sideways and he's still trying to throw the ball down
the field. And then there's the difference of like I've
gotten sacked a few times now I'm scared to throw.
Now I'm underthrowing because I'm nervous, and like it's like
those jitters. That's the difference. I think the Holmes has

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that like I'm gonna get hit, I'm gonna come on
the field and be limping. I'm still gonna try to
I'm still gonna try to do me. He does. He
never loses the confidence. And that's what when Jackson Dart
starts getting hammered right then he he falls into that
like he loses that confidence space and so I think
that I think that he's probably him and Ward have

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the most potential to be something unless we get like
a unless we get a crazy brock Purty story somewhere
in here from somebody taking Like I feel like the
Titans could take a deep like if they don't go
quarterback at one, they could take a deep guy and
just yeah, quarterback battle Levice and you know any quinn
Ewers who knows, like you know, anybody, and then that

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person potentially get a Rock Party style shot at playing quarterback.
Uh but anyways, uh man freaking love the off season,
love rookies, love the drama. You know, it's just it's
it's so much fun.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
And then we're going to look back and be like, yeah,
of course we should have realized that, like Tyler Shuck
was going to be the best quarterback of the bunch.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
How do we miss the signs? Like it's like something like.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
That's a that's like a pro day riser right there. Yeah,
but you know cool, I mean, who knows, like nobody
was saying Brock Party was going to be the guy.
So you know, we we get in here and we
had these conversations and there's a possibility we hit somebody,
and I'm really looking forward to our our our next
section here coming up after the Advice Network. But you know,

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it's that's it, right, Like we get in here and
we have these conversations, you make your calls, but it's
still a little bit of a surprise and players surprise us. Uh.
And that's exciting about it because you can't, no matter
how much you try, you can't map it right. And
so it's I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the class.
I'm especially looking forward to the running back class. I
think that there is a ton of running back talent

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in this draft. I think that you're gonna be able
to get a ton of guys in your third, your
fifth round, you know of your rookie drafts that could
see year one. You know production we got, we got
a dad bought in the house, Brady Brady Cook could

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Speaker 3 (20:28):
All right, and this one comes from Texas Trojan two
thousand and four, and it's a bit of it's a
bit of a long one, so you guys may have
to kind of read there on screen. So it's ten
team PPR. Superflex running backs are Chase Brown, Bucky Irving,
and Ramandre Stevenson. I'm good at quarterback and tight end.

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My best receivers are QJ Mike Williams and Keenan Allen Yike.
I have the one to one, one, three, one nine
and a couple early seconds, he said, should I just
build through the draft since I need so many wide
receivers or would you be trying to trade those picks

(21:10):
for players? This kind of hits at the crux of
like some people's different styles of plan, Like some people
don't like picks, they don't like the risk, and the
picks bring so much value at draft time, you know,
so like here you're one one or your one three,
like these could bring you multiple players that can add
to your roster immediately, or you take the shot if

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you believe in somebody and you get you get three
young studs that are going to essentially be the pinnacle
pieces of your team. Because at one, three and nine
that's highly possible. So Matt, you kind of start us
off based on this team structure, based on those picks.
Which way are you going about it?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I mean, I'm certainly gonna be looking to maybe pivot
off my one zero three. Uh one on one is
gent and you know there were taking it to the bank,
but maybe the one o three. I'm I'm it's kind
of a lame answer, but I'm always somebody who's you know,
just explore your options, Like I don't think you should
be closed off to either route or should you go

(22:17):
either direction just based off that information.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know, it's all about the market value and knowing
your league.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Uh, if you're able to help out your team by
trading you know, a one nt because as much as
we love to hype up every class that comes in
one nine through one twelve, still more of a crapshoot
than we would like to admit. So if you can
pivot off of you know, the one nine for a
younger receiver, maybe you can figure out, uh, like a

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trade for like a Laddi McConkie, like trading like a
one o nine maybe in a future future something future third.
I don't know if that's enough to get it done
these days. Lati mconkie's pretty hyped up, but as an example,
so I'm probably doing a mix of both, trying to
do through the draft but also see uh trading back

(23:07):
something similar to that. So I'm probably keeping some picks
and trying to trade some others.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Nice. What about you, Joe?

Speaker 5 (23:14):
I think the biggest thing, especially in a dynasty format
is knowing your league, in knowing what the impacts are,
how many players am I going to start, how many
teams are in the league. So the more teams that
you have, the more players that you're playing. Depth becomes
more important because when you get into those larger leagues,

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you're not going to have as many options to pick
up on waivers. You're going to be playing a lot
more lesser value people in your flex. In a ten
team league super flex, you want guys like Genti, So
to me, I agree with Matt. I'm holding onto that
one oh one. If I'm looking at like the list
of folks that I have, I'm looking at trading Chase Brown,

(23:59):
who was a fifth round pick. I'm looking at trading
Bucky who was a fourth round pick and is really high.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Stevenson.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I don't think he commands enough value to really move
at this point. Had the fumble issues last year, so
people are going to be down on him. Matt's a
Patriots fan, but I think he would advocate that he's
probably not going to lose his spot, and fumble's kind
of very year over year, so it's not something that
we're necessary worried about. But in a tough draft where
you're looking to secure receivers and like, that's where you

(24:27):
really have problems, Like there's nobody on that group that
I would want to start, Like having Mike Williams as
a top three receiver for you when he played like
three snaps a game for the Steelers last year, Like
that's super tough, right, So it's like, how am I
accumulating receivers who from a dynasty perspective are going to
be a lot more long term because they have a

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little bit longer a shelf life. So it's like, if
I'm not getting maybe a first round pick out of
Chase Brown because of all the news about the Bengals
visiting on a bunch of different running backs, maybe I
can trade him and like player for player, and then
I'm still replenishing that running back room with the draft
picks because I would rather have a first or second
round guy from the draft than somebody that had one

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good year as a fifth round pick. So I think
gent just given the firepower that he has, definite go
if maybe I wouldn't trade the one to Zho three
until I see what happens on draft day. Because let's
say that like Amar and Hampton goes too, you need
a receiver. If you feel really good about Tet, then
that seems like a really good position for you to

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be in. But say Tet goes too, then it's like,
all right, do I want to force into another running back?
It seems like it's a rebuilding situation. I'd rather attack
running backs at the end of a rebuild than at
the start, we think.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
So I like both ideas. I also think trading Chase
Brown is probably your best option at this point. Bucky Irving,
I think, might have a stronger hold on that position
than Chase Brown does. But Chase Brown is kind of
a darling right now, right. People love him. He's just
kind of like he was this all purpose back last year,

(26:09):
got one hundred percent of the touches for like eight
straight weeks or something stupid like that. And you, I'm
noticing you as a couple early seconds. What I'd do
is I would trade Chase Brown and maybe that one
oh nine for like, I think that's probably what Lad
McConkey is going for right about now, so I would
probably do that those early seconds. I'd go after a

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guy like Chris godwhen he's coming off a pretty gnarly injury.
Trade those early seconds, go get that established guy who
still got five, six, seven good years left in the league.
I think probably closer to five, like really good years left.
And second round picks to me, for the most part,
are still dart throws, right. I know this is a

(26:50):
super flex, but in a weak draft, those seconds are
worth even less than normal. I would be looking to
advets this season. Move off of Chase Brown, maybe move
off of Buckey Irving. See if you can't get maybe
a receiver that is okay and a future pick that
one O one, one oh three, I'm going gent if
your quarterbacks are good, you go in genty, you're going

(27:12):
Tet McMillan won three. I think in those situations. I
do think in a super flex league you're so likely
to have Tet McMillan available at the one O three
because cam Ward will probably go at the two. If
not him, and Marion Hampton will probably go at the two,
and unless people get real squirrely with it, if for
some reason Ted isn't there, then I would trade the
one O three. I would wait till your draft day

(27:34):
to see if he's there, because I do think he
is going to be a true, like number one receiver
in this league. So that would probably be what I'd
do is I'd trade Chase Brown and those seconds and
try to get two, maybe three wide receivers in the deal.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
I know you can't necessarily treat it as like gospel,
but looking at keep trade Cutt while you were talking
Chase Brown, and like the thirteenth pick in your draft.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's like cool value.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Right now for a load of Maconkey, who's wide receiver
twelve from a fantasy perspective, So I would I wouldn't
do that as a lot owner, but I would smash
that as a Chase Brown guy.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Might as well chop it out there.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, you know, this is it's it's I love it.
You know. I am a big proponent of whenever you
have big draft picks like this, waiting till as close
as you can to draft day, if not draft day,
to get the most value like that one nine, That
one nine can net you some juice, right, Like all
you do is wait till you get to that ninth

(28:34):
pick and somebody's guy is sitting there, right and you've
got a little bit of time to like just just
and like people are gonna come to you. They're gonna
be messaging you, and maybe you get a couple of
studs or maybe if you're not getting SuDS, you're getting
some some close ones, right, And are some people, like
some veterans that that you know, are going to give

(28:55):
you one to two more years of value. I mean, shoot,
that one night could pull you Pickens and Higgins right
in a deal like it, you know, like both potentially
and like so it's who knows, right, but you get
your value is gonna be the highest there. And I
don't mind moving off that pick. I also, you know,

(29:19):
I don't mind moving off the one in a super flex,
especially if Ward lands somebody somewhere where it's essential and
like he's the guy, and I know somebody's really desperate
for a quarterback. If I can just move back one
spot or something like target that second person, you know,
and kind of force deal.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I think you gotta be I think you gotta be
sure they're not taking genty at the one though. You
gotta be real sure they're going quarterback because this is
this is a guy that I think is better than
Bijon coming in, Like I'm talking like, this is this
is like our next Saquon Barkley kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
I do think the hard part about the quarterback thing,
Tyler is in a ten team lead, everybody can have
three starting quarterbacks on that.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
It depends on how much they believe in these guys. Yeah,
but anyway, so thanks Texas Trojan for for the question.
And uh We're gonna move on to our next portion
here Hot takes so one. I want to give a
shout outs Amber, thanks for tuning in, giving Steve some love.

(30:27):
Uh uh Dad Bob talking about he's had my eyes
on scatibo. Uh scataboo is not in my eyes, but
you know maybe for some and then Angie hay Gang,
thanks for tuning in. Okay, So this part of the
show is meant to uh create some problems. That's okay.

(30:51):
And Matt I feel bad because your internet gives you
like a three second lag for when you start talking,
so like I have to go, all right, Matt, what's
your thoughts? And then it's like this really come in
So like in this conversation, you know you may you
may do like this first, so we know, and then

(31:12):
I should be like everybody else shut up. Matt has
to speak, you know, Matt's got something to say. But anyways,
so Joe, I'm gonna let you start us off. So
in this section, I need for our viewers, the people
that are watching, the people that are hitting the replay,
to get the juice, like the stuff that nobody else

(31:34):
will say, the things that know, the calls that no
one else that no one wants to make. But are
the kind of risks or the kind of advantages that
we may see that a person could take advantage of
that might be a league changer. I mean last year,
if you were if you were taking a shot towards
the I mean like in the in the tenth eleventh,

(31:56):
thirteenth round on Terry McLaurin, or if you waited till
the sixteenth, seventeenth round to take a shot on JK. Dobbins.
You know, like you had some wins, right, And so
that's what we're hitting here. So I need you to
bring it home with your Pittsburgh Steelers on and give
me your first big hit.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
All right.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
So I'm wearing this because I'm very afraid of TJ.
Watt leaving the Steelers. He's like doing like wide receiver
stuff on his Instagram. It just makes me very uncomfortable.
I've got like this really bad track record with jerseys
lately of like I get a jersey and then like
the player immediately leaves. I got this for Christmas this year,
so I'm just like, come on, man, like, why's it

(32:40):
got to be like this? But speaking of Pittsburgh, there's
a lot of excitement. We got DK Metcalf, we have
George Pickens. They're gonna open each other up. I don't
think any wide receiver is going to be serviceable in
Fantasy for this year for Steelers. I think that they're
going to continue to run the ball. I don't think
that Mason or whoever they try to out there, if

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they go and get a rookie, I wouldn't touch any
Steeler really, anybody, including Warren Pickens Metcalf. I wouldn't touch
any of those players before the eighth round this year.
That would be my barrier to entries, Like make it
to the eighth round and I'll consider it.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
You know, I've seen Pickens fall as far as the
eighth round. Everybody looks at DK to be the number
one there. Pickens value has dropped crazy. You know, you
have the Rogers workout where they're saying, like you know,
you got Rogers out there throwing the ball with DK
and there's no Pickens around, you know, and so his
stock has fallen. So like Pickens is on my like

(33:40):
bargain beIN list this year, like you know, like I
can get Pickens like real late, and like I don't
care what they say. Or who says it. He still
steps on the field and he believes he's the best
person on the field.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
So when you have con.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I think he can still put them.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
No, I mean, we can keep feeding his delusion that
he's a number one wide receiver as much as we want.
He's just not like like it's listen, this is not
a knock up. But I don't. I actually, if my
hot take were to play off of the Steelers, it isn't.
This is just my take I have right now. The
Steelers do not have a wide receiver one right now.

(34:21):
Neither of these guys are true wide receiver ones. They're
both flashy wide receiver twos. They can't get open, they
can't separate, they don't have a good route tree. They
are really really good at circus catches and being big
and strong, but they lack that elite upside that would
make them a true wide receiver one in this league.

(34:44):
And that's why we've never seen it happen. DK Metcalf
was the guy in Seattle for years and it never
translated to a wide receiver one season. He never got there.
So it just it's not there. And George Pickens was
the only show in Town and there were entire games
he'd disappear and they were throwing to basically janitors. It

(35:04):
was him and then like the guy who inflated the
football and it was still like just an absolute mess.
Like it's just I think the Steelers really like how
fits like if they had to get into a fist fight. Yeah,
they got two wide receiver ones like they're squaring up
with anybody, but they gotta get open. They gotta get open,

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and those guys do not get open.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, you got Angie in the chat like Deontay Johnson
did last year, Pickens feels a bit like next season's Deontay. Look,
I'm I'm gonna scrub back a little bit on it, Steven,
And it's I maybe I'm partial, Maybe I'm biased. I
do have a lot of Pickings shares in Dynasty. But
when you talk about a player like the ability I

(35:50):
think separates Pickens like DK doesn't make catches like Pickens
makes like the only person that I've seen make kay
like I don't remember if you remember that game against
the Browns where he did that like over the shoulder
back like Pickens has superior tracking ability for.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Amazon tracking ability has amazing tracking ability because he constantly
needs to use it because he can't get open.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
No, he can't get and he doesn't have to get open.
He'd like I mean, literally, last year we have we
have not the great greatest quarterback situation. He's and he
he didn't even play all the games, and he put
a he averaged over fifteen yards per catch. He had
nine hundred yards. You know, the season before that, he
had eleven hundred yards. Like and granted it's it's not

(36:33):
what we want, but I have I am comfortable, and
I would put Pickens over many people in the league,
especially in contested catches. I put him over DK and
contested catches one hundred percent. Like he's got it. But like,
if we see Pickens with a viable quarterback, you know,
I think, I mean, look at who he's had for
his whole career. Who can can you give me? I mean,

(36:57):
can he pick it?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Which I'm not saying he's got. He has had bad quarterbacks,
he has had very bad quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
But I mean, in last year, he's doing every freaking game.
It's it's only picking. So he's he's catching those balls
in double coverage, in triple coverage, you know, like they're
cheating over on him every freaking route, and we're still
seeing we're still seeing moments where it's really strong, you know.
And and he's not very far away from several more

(37:25):
touchdowns last season. You know. It just I think he's
gotten a bad rap. I think it's a lot with
the attitude. But I for him, it's a confidence thing.
Like you mentioned Joe, you said, I want a player
that steps out on the field and says, I'm the
best I can do this thing, and that's picking. It
doesn't matter who's in front of him. It doesn't matter
what cornerback it is. He tore a Patrick certain like
it doesn't matter who it is. He's willing to go

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and go at it like he'll like it, you know.
And the separation thing, sure, he can work on separation,
but he has his catch radius is so big he
hasn't had to. But he's still a big He's still
a good athlete. I think he can. I I would
take if you if you took George Pickens and you

(38:09):
put him in T Higgins spot with Joe Burrow throwing
the ball, I think he would put up better stats
than T Higgins.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
He never has what do you mean t Higgins has
only had that. Te Higgins has never been the number
one option, neither his Pickens till last year and last year,
what did you nine hundred yards? He went backwards? He
became the number one guy, the only show in town.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And Steelers what was this? I mean, I think Russell
Wilson threw what a total like twenty five hundred yards
on the season.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Wasn't open right, right?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
He had to catch moon balls in double coverage all year.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
But no one was doubles covering George Pickens last year.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
All right, I don't believe Steelers show. I like having
the little hair that I have left.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
It.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Then bother me.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Look it's all it's all fun and you don't have
to get behind it. I you know this this is takes.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Right, Like everyone got us talking, yeah right, like.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
That's an easy one.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I know we could start that pot not I'm good.
I love it all right, Matt hit us.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
All right, So I put I don't know if this
is going to be be crazy enough, because I was
told that I needed to be called delusional or else.
This wasn't good enough. So I guess I'll turn it
up a little bit about Duntavian Wix finishing as a
top twenty four receiver this year in an insane breakout.
I've originally put thirty six. We bumped it up to

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twenty four, but we go back and he charts very well.
He's somebody who can get open unlike George Dickens. He
charts very well with perception, perception, Fantasy Points Player Profiler,
and we saw his ability to command targets twenty nine
point five targets per route run last year was over
twenty percent the year before as well.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
One thing he's.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Been, you know, struggling with, especially last year was drops
per player Profiler caught less than eighty percent of his
catchable targets.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Not a great number.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Lafleur is also used to playing an entire mix of receivers,
but I'm not going to compare them stylistically talent wise.
But a six one, two hundred pound receiver going into
his third year who has struggled throughout the first two
years with some drops vaguely, that's the story of Davante Adams.

(40:35):
So what if Dantavian Wicks takes the third year leap
like Davonte Adams did and finishes as a wide receiver
too this year in fantasy.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Oh I hate it. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I think
why it won't happen is because they wide receiver by
committee so much in Green Bay. There's just not enough
opportunity for him, and Jordan Love isn't good enough to
make him DeVante Adams. I think that's really the issue
you're gonna run into. Well. I think thirty six was
absolutely realistic though, because when he was on the field

(41:13):
and he was playing like a good majority of snaps,
he did look like the best receiver on that team.
So I'm not like totally against this take.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
See, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Jordan Love is like your ideal parent, Like he will
never have a favorite child. And that's why they don't
have an alpha in this offense because he refuses to
like target share to like one guy. He's like, you
need to turn, and you need to turn, and you
need to turn. Oh, Christian Watson, you haven't been healthy
in four weeks. Like, here's a touchdown for you. So
it's just like, I don't think that. I just don't

(41:44):
see it with the way that Jordan Love plays football
that he he hasn't really had a wide receiver one
that he supported.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
So I don't think that it's gonna start.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
So to even have the bump to two, I just
I think I'm gonna have PTSD forever.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
For like the goose egg that Jordan.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Reid had in the playoffs last year for fantasy like
that just burned so many people, and that was a
lot of people's guy. So to have like someone who's
even lower on that pecking order to come up and
just kind of take the reins like that, that would
shock me.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I'm looking here two twelve, I kind of I don't think.
I don't in in ah, I still don't love it.
I loved I like the thirty six. Jayden Reid is
like right in that window, like Jane Ree was right
in that window. So it's like, could Wicks take Reed's role,

(42:37):
Like could we see that nuance or like him for
at that production. I mean, it's a it's a tough one,
but I don't think it's too far out there to
be I think it's a I think it is an
out there call Matt good job. I don't think it's
too far out there to be impossible. I personally will

(43:00):
not be drafting Wicks as a wide like in the
top twenty four wide receiver spot. But if I can
get him in a very late round and he can
produce that way, I'm in. That'd be awesome.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
In dynasty.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
So he throw a third round pick for him, that
guy who we were talking about, his team should throw
one of his third round picks at Dontavian Wicks. Fill
at that wide receiver room.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You could probably get him. You could probably get him
for a fourth round pick, because nobody really knows what's
happening in Green Bay enough to give Wicks a solid evaluation.
They're probably like, hey, what do you want. I'll give
them to you for a fourth in a year from
now anything I'm gonna have to cut them, and which,
by the way, side, note look in your league for

(43:48):
rosters that are really full because the draft happens and
they have picks and you're gonna have to make cuts.
So usually those rosters are good for a rebuild to
pick on because you can get value because they're gonna
have to cut the guys anyway. So they're searching for something,
and Wicks is probably on somebody's cut list, right if
their teams stacked in a super attend team super flex right,

(44:11):
so you get them for basically pennies.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, hey, I'll give you like seven fab seven.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I was laughing those pis roll across all right, Steve
hit us.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Yeah, I'm gonna jump right to my spicier of my
two takes, and that is that the Miami Dolphins would
be better off with Zach Wilson under center than to
attago Iloa. At this point, Wow, I so hear me out,
hear me out, Let me, let me, let me cook
for a second. The Miami Dolphins offense is not predicated

(44:50):
on accuracy. It is very touchdown or check down based.
You need a quarterback with a stronger arm and better
health than Tua has given in order to make that
offense run. Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle have essentially been
held back by two and not being able to stretch

(45:13):
the field. That offense has been held back by two
and not being able to stretch the field. If they
cannot push the ball downfield, that Miami Dolphins offense ceases
to work, and we watched it happen last season. At
this point, you want someone more built like Zach Wilson
than Tua. Because Tua is very good in the short game.

(45:36):
The intermediate game, that team is not designed that way.
It's designed to go deep. They have the two potentially
fastest wide receivers in the league and they're stuck running
ten yard digs and that's not what you want Tyreek
Kill and Jalen Wattle doing. And it's because Tua's got
a noodle arm.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
I think it's more of the hips than in the arm.
He just says nothing to throw with from all the injuries.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
But.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
He's never had a good arm.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
It's never a concussion stance. Right now, there's a reality
that this this could be true, but I think it
comes on the back of like a Game three hit
that puts to a back in this mode and then
we see Zach Wilson. You know, I don't I don't
hate it to me, Zach Wilson does have the arm strength.

(46:30):
My worry is like the the accuracy like which I
mean if those guys, those guys are fast, so sure
they could probably run and get under it. You know,
I just I don't want to see more of like
Will Levice, you know where he like throws the ball
to d Hop and then d Hop has to stop
his route correct six yards of the other direction to
try to catch it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I would also like to point out that Garrett Wilson
did better with Zach Wilson than he did with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Well because Aaron Rodgers also, can you Sipilia's like one
hundred years old?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Like what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that like
we we really were like killing Zach Wilson as a jet, right,
We were just absolutely destroying this dude. They were better
with him, They were better So Zach Wilson. I've always
said Zach Wilson was a victim of circumstance. He got

(47:23):
drafted too high and he went to a situation where
he wasn't able to develop. I think if you put
him in this Miami Dolphins system, that's that's a pretty
good combination that that arm strength with that verticality in
that offense, and then give him Devon h Chan and
John hu Smith as his checkdown options. Consistently, Zach Wilson

(47:44):
is not a it's a pretty simplified offense to Mike
McDaniel's very good at like one read to read like
bang bang, that that is what Zach Wilson will excel at,
because it's like, hey, listen, can you throw the ball
really hard? He's like, absolutely, I can bang Like it's
this is the system he will thrive in. They won't
do it because they're paying to too much money at

(48:05):
this point. But if you if I if someone said
right now, like, hey, listen, you're the head coach, who's
your starter, I'd probably go Zach Wilson over to.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
He said, Wilson wasn't playing fresh off of retreat, and
you know the call was big enough that you got
the cocaine is a hell of a drug quote from
Mad Scientists. Know the sure, you know, like we have
seen lesser do more in in the brink of Tua's absence,

(48:41):
you know, and there has to be better out there.
Zach Wilson. Sure, if he gets shot, I'm in.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
I think Zach Wilson took over. Does Zach Wilson's career
not remind you vaguely of Baker Mayfield?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
No, not at all of.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Like overdrafted, way overdrafted, way over hyped, big arm, bad accuracy,
changes teams a couple of times, bounces around the league
a little bit. Remember we all love to pretend that
Baker Mayfield was like. We were all like, oh yeah,
we knew he'd figure it out. Most analysts at this
point two years ago, well like, Baker should be out

(49:18):
of the fucking league.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So here here's here's my I don't agree with that take.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Personal in the language, guys, No, you're you're good, You're good.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I don't agree with that take because we saw it
from Baker went to an awful franchise, like an.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
Absolutely like the New York Jets.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
The difference is Baker takes that franchise and takes him
to the playoffs. Like Dak Wilson ain't even sniffed the playoffs.
Baker takes him to the playoffs and wins a playoff game.
You know. Then the whoever the heck is in the
general manager office in Cleveland is sitting there. I don't

(50:00):
know what he's thinking. He's like, you know what, guys,
I got an idea. Baker's done okay for us, He's
got it to the playoffs, which we don't get to
hardly ever. But what if, what if we could get
our hands on Deshaun Watson? So let's pay him two
hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed and bring in him
and we'll send Baker to the Woods. Baker wasn't bad.

(50:22):
Baker won more games than them and they saw in
the last ten years.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
And he played on that shoulder his last year that
he was with the Browns to try to gut it out.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
So so you know, I think that Baker got a
bad rap for actual production in a team that needed bad.
I mean, who you think about it right now? Who
was Baker's top.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Receiver, Amari Cooper?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
When did he get Cooper?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
He would have had Landry and Cooper.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I think he had Landry and Cooper.
Let me put it this way, right, Baker's last year
in Cleveland sixty percent completion percentage, three thousand yards, seventeen touchdowns,
thirteen interceptions. Zach Wilson's last season in New York in
twelve games, sixty percent completion, twenty three hundred yards, eight touchdown,

(51:22):
seven interceptions. It looked awfully similar. Yeah, I looked.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
From the stats, sure, but Baker busted up his shoulder
like Week four.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Of that season and pretty much just played through like
I think he had an ac joint thing in his
throwing arm that he played through the whole year. They
didn't protect him from himself. He's not the kind of
player that's like sit out, like he's like going to
try to gut it out and play. So I think
that last year you can pretty much just throw out.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Right in like I mean maybe, but I mean it's
I get the take, I get the take. But I
think then it went south for me when the comparison
was Baker. But I do think that Zach Wilson has
some ability. I think that if he can throw downfield,
if TA does get hurt, sure I buy it. I'm

(52:13):
with it. But don't you be dogging Baker up in
this shot.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
I will dog Baker because we watched It's not only
like we just saw him in Cleveland too. He went
to the Carolina Panthers, was awful there, went to the Rams,
played like one game right, went to the Buccaneers the
next year was okay. It took time. Some of these
guys we have lost all ability to be patient with
quarterbacks in the NFL. Some guys take time. Baker Mayfield
took time. I think Zach Wilson was going to take time.

(52:41):
Guys like Anthony Richardson were going to take time.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Baker didn't take time. Baker's rookie season, he finished QB sixteen.
The next two years QB eighteen, QB eighteen threw over
threw over thirty five hundred yards all three of those seasons,
the first three seasons of his career. Zach Wilson's best
quarterback in fin in Fantasy is is twenty nine and

(53:03):
the most yards he's ever thrown in a season is
twenty three hundred. They're not even on the same level.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I just think the situations were so different.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Like, yeah, Baker went the worst.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
With a more willing offense. I mean, Zach Wilson's best
wide receiver was Garrett Wilson and then a bunch of nothing.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
All right, Tyler, it's not so fun when you have
the gun. Who's your what's your take for the week.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Well, already you already slammed my take. Well you already
slam my take. Which a lot of it depends. But
if if the Steelers can get a quarterback, uh, I
was going to say that Pickens will not only outperform DK,

(53:50):
but we'll have over a thousand yards.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
It's not unreasonable. I think that's okay.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Well, I mean apparently it's unreasonable. You just don't just
talk about him like he was.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
I'll talk my talk about George Pickens and DK Mex.
I mean, give him a good enough course. I want
to ask to catch passes, right, I mean, someone's got
to put up yard. It's just by default you'd figure
someone to go for a thousand.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah, here's a spicy one for you, Tyler relating that situation.
George Pickens is not a Steeler Week one.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Who you know, here's the thing. If that is the case,
George Pickens is not a Steeler week one. If you
put him, can you imagine this? Can you imagine a
world where Pickens goes, I mean anywhere with a feasible quarterback,
even he goes last year, you know, Kansas City, they
bring in DeAndre Hopkins, hoping to get somebody that can

(54:44):
play down field and catch patches passes in traffic. Hopkins
has has done his time. It's not really there anymore.
You put Pickens in that role, and all of a
sudden it looks totally different.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Now you see the role models in that wide receiver room,
that just seems like a really bad place for him.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
To go.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You know though, though he's spicy, Pickens is not like
I mean, when's the like outside of like college, when's
the last time he heard off field troubles for George Pickens.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
He's just He's just a goofy dude.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
He's just mean and he enjoys being mean. Like I've
never seen somebody just punk cornerbacks, like on the on
the line for fun.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Like I've never seen someone get into a fistfight during
a hell Mary instead of trying to catch.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
The ball before.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Can I pitch a great landing spot for George Pickens
and I think it would actually he would thrive Houston.
Oh yeah, Damico Ryans, who is a strong willed human being, right,
Like if he had a head coach who could kick
the ship out of him. Sorry again, I swore again.
If you could beat him up, if you had a

(55:49):
head coach that you could could beat you up, George
Pickens's attitude would change. Like, because you're not pulling that
on Jamaica Ryans, Right, you're not gonna get in his
What are you gonna do to him one of the
best linebackers of his time. No, you're not doing it.
You're not getting away with it, like he'll he'll square
up with you right there on the sidelines, put you
right in your place, give you a quick one too.

(56:09):
You better be back out on that field ready to
run on a slant route or something like you you
better be ready. I think Houston could be a great
landing spot for George Pickens if he is no longer
a Steeler.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I don't hate it. I'm good. I'm with it.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
If the Steelers Christian Kirk, they wanted him last year,
wrote the collar Ben didn't have it happen.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I think Christian Kirk could be a good fit in Pittsburgh,
right Like, you need someone who can kind of do
that short intermediate game. That's what they're missing, right And
you know what they need is Deontay Johnson, Like I.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Mean, you probably can get him for free. Chief right now?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Yeah, right now, no one wants him. I think he's
kind of going through that. I think he's gone as
Antonio Brown arc right now. So something's up with.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Him, Rusty what's mad? Scientist said Pickens and DK will
be fighting moral combat style on the sideline by the
end of week one, maybe sure, Uh okay, so Joe
number two.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Okay, So my number two. It actually ties into Steves
a little bit, but I think that once again, I
think the Tyreek Hill is a bust this year. He's
currently being drafted as wide receiver twelve. I don't see
him finishing as a top twenty five wide receiver in
twenty twenty five. I think that he's falling off. I
think that combine that with the legal troubles that he's

(57:22):
currently into again, the question marks they have at QB,
the emergence of the healthy season from Jalen Waddle, I
think that if you draft Tyreek Hill, you're just going
it's just gonna be a mistake. So I don't know
if it's that crazy. He's over the age of thirty,
which is kind of like the wide receiver cliff. He's
avoided it so far, but I would say like he's
probably gonna finish like in the wide receiver twenty eight

(57:43):
to thirty range, which is considering last year he was
a first round pick. I think it's a pretty steep
fall off and it's happening very rapidly. So I'm trying
to get rid of him anywhere that I can.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
If I have him in Dynasty, It's like Steve said,
it's the it's the quarterback thing like it. There's struggles
there and you know, Tyreek needs to get the ball.
He gets he needs to get the ball in in space.
It just I'm I'm, I'm with it. It's it's a
really hard offense for him to do and he has
to do it a lot. But you know, smart by
Tyreek Hill. If you noticed Levan last year, he took

(58:15):
on a lot of that like Tyler Lockett style of play,
where like, hey, I want to stay on the field,
so I'm not going to take hits, right yeah, yeah,
and so like he that that was that was him
last year. And the problem was that he did get
the ball sometimes on some quick breaks where he could
get it and he would go score. But for the
most part, if he got those underneath, he got into

(58:37):
traffic or somebody was close to me, just goes down. So, uh,
I think that that's accurate. I think that if I'm
definitely not drafting.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Him in round one capital personally, No, I'm not drafting
him in wide receiver one territory either. At this point,
the problem with Tyreek Hill was always going to be
when he lost even a half a step, he was
gonna become a lot less effective, right, Like, Hey, his
game was so predicated on being just faster than everybody
else that he's very DeShawn Jackson esque, better than Deshaun

(59:09):
Jackson was. But that's kind of his comp And we
saw what happened to DeShawn Jackson when the wheels started
to come off, they just that was it. It was
kind of over very quickly. And I think you could
be absolutely right that wide receiver thirty finish probably isn't
all that crazy. It sounds like a hot take, it
should be a hot take, but I think you're actually right.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Yeah, And when you start looking at like the names
who are in that realm, like you have Zay Flowers
wide receiver twenty five, rooms At twenty six, Metcalf twenty seven,
tet twenty eight, Courtland Sutton, Jordan Edison, Like, there's a
lot of wide receiver to asque talent, which is a
matter of who's in the best situation. I don't I
just don't see it.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah, all right, Steve, last one for the night.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Funny enough, my next hot take actually ties directly into
what you just said. Roma Dunze is much closer to
a Jamison Williams type player than he is to an
Amara type player in this Ben Johnson offense. I think
a lot of people are hyping him up and his
value is skyrocketing now that Ben Johnson is the head

(01:00:15):
coach of the Chicago Bears. Rome is not a good separator.
It's the number one issue that wide receivers have in
the NFL. It's why even guys like Barbon Harrison Junior
I wasn't as hyped for as I was for. Like
a elite neighbors, if you cannot create separation, there are

(01:00:37):
not enough elite quarterbacks to carry that. The problem that
Rome has right now is that DJ Moore is a
far superior route runner and Caleb Williams is not an
elite thrower of the football. He is not good enough
to carry George Pickens very similar kind of player Romodunze

(01:01:00):
through his route running struggles. You're gonna get a lot
of big, a lot of boom or bust out of
Rome this season, next season, and probably going forward. You
are going to see the games with one hundred and
fifty yards, but you're also going to see the games
with like twenty five because a good corner can lock

(01:01:20):
him down pretty easily. But he is fast enough to
get lost in space when people over commit to Dj
Moore and Cole Comet, and then probably some running backs
that they get in the second round, like a Traveon
Henderson or someone along those lines. Right, I wouldn't even

(01:01:41):
be shocked if the Chicago Bears draft another wide receiver
to replace Keenan Allen, you know what I mean, Like
they if Rome was that good, if he was that
good last year, they wouldn't have signed Keenan Allen, right,
they would have just been like, hey, listen, we got
him in the top ten, we have Dj Moore, let's
go sling it. He couldn't even beat off Keenan Allen,

(01:02:03):
who didn't look like Keenan Allen anymore. I'm worried. I'm
kind of out on Rome at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I don't sure, so so let me ask you. So
we'll shift to our last section. We're trying to knock
this out in about ten minutes here because we are
a little bit over showtime. But so in a value
check standpoint, right, we've talked about a lot of players,
and I in a value check standpoint where and I guess,

(01:02:32):
for the sake of conversation. Maybe the easiest way to
align it for somebody watching the show would be like
in a redraft draft capital standpoint, like if you could
put a round on it, what round is romadnze for you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Seven?

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I was gonna say seven to eight range as well.
I think it seems fair. The upside is obviously there.
He has the premium capital, but I don't think I
could touch him with the first six picks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
He's an at flex kind of option.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah, like a flex option that's your boom or bust
kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Okay, So I'm with that. I don't know if I'm
it's a risk to me taking them that high, Like
there's other people like I would rather have a Jamison
for the the boom potential that seemed to happen like
every game towards the end of the season as they
got more and more integrated for him in the offense. Now,

(01:03:31):
I don't know what that looks like with Ben Johnson out,
you know, but we'll see. So there's obviously gonna be
some players that people are debating about, and I'm gonna
start just kind of with one that I think last
year was it was a deep grab in comparison to value,

(01:03:52):
and that was like, that was Terry McLaurin. Obviously, you know,
we have a quarterback in Washington now that is Hope,
you guys. So, and I knew he was gonna be
He was my top quarterback coming in out of that class,
you know, and mostly because I'm an Arkansas fan and

(01:04:12):
I remember we were stomping LSU and they put in
Jay and Daniels at halftime and he comes out four
touchdowns leads them back to beat us, and I'm like, gosh,
he's so good, you know, And then we see it
last year. I mean, just just more of that, like
let me just like when there's nothing there, he's that
guy's like let me make something happen, you know what
I mean. Love it, Love the quarterback. You know. Obviously

(01:04:35):
McLaurin gets a little bit of competition, and Deebo there,
I don't really think so, but sure, a little bit
of competition. Noah Brown replacement except for not a deep
guy more slot. But where where are we putting McLaurin
at in redraft this year?

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
It's I'm probably lower than consensus on him because a
lot of his products last year came through the touchdowns,
and he had a huge touchdown share, and I just
don't see it repeating a lot of games he had
like low reception totals but two touchdowns and it looked
really nice. I'd probably like fifth, sixth round, maybe seventh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Okay, So my question was going to be, I think
that from what I've seen, he seems to be going
pretty consistently in the fourth round of drafts, like, let's
say twelve team. Is that too early? Are you in
at a fourth round value?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I'm out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
I think it's fair. I would probably go for it.
I think for me, thinking about the way that the
draft would fall, I'm more of a hero running back
kind of guy, so I'm probably taking a running back
within the first two rounds. So then Terry would probably
be like the third wide receiver that I'm taking there,

(01:05:55):
and I feel really comfortable with him as like a
wide receiver, two, wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Three.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
I have no certain about Deebo Samuel whatsoever. They do
like to throw a lot of screens in Washington. I
think Debo's going to be a good fit for that
part of the game, but I think that hurts the
running backs more. I think that he will allow Terry. Yeah,
I think he'll allow Terry to do what Terry does,
and I think that Terry's value is going to continue
to decline. I think he ends up being like a

(01:06:20):
fifth round kind of guy there. To me, it's a
smash in the fifth. I feel good about it in
the fourth, but it's not like easy money. I think
it's just like it's fair value. But he's already shown
what he's capable of with Daniels. That rapport isn't going
to get worse.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I feel really good about it, all right, Steve, what's
your value check? What's somebody you're curious? Where the consensus
is add on him?

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
For me, it's now g Harris. I think that I
think this is a guy who could potentially lead the
league in rushing touchdowns and I wouldn't be that shocked
about it. He is a thumper. Is he elite at
getting big plays? No? Is he really good getting you
four yards? He absolutely is, And Jim Harbaugh loves a
guy who can do that. They didn't bring back Dobbins,

(01:07:06):
they didn't bring back Gus Edwards, and now it looks
like Najie Harris is kind of the guy. And if
they don't bring in someone to really compete with him.
I like this situation a lot more than I liked
him in Pittsburgh. And the Chargers know how to score,
they know how to move the ball. I think he
could go for twelve thirteen touchdowns this year and be
potentially an RB one for you, and you're probably getting

(01:07:28):
them close to double digit rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I don't know if it's double digits. I think I've
seen the average consensus around seven.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
He hasn't been running back twenty four, which would put
him in an ADP of seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
One son than yeah, round seven, So like, if round
six or seven, is that too earlier? Are you in
on him that much?

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I'm probably in on him there, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
And then if if if Chargers take a running back
in Day two of the draft, change.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
It gets dicey at that point, It definitely does. It
depends on who it is. Now, If it's yeah, I
guess if they take a Day two guy, like if
they take an Olie Gordon, I'm worried, right, Like, I'd
be really worried.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
But if they wait, if they sit back and go,
you know what, we got him, and we got Kimani
Vidal and we're rolling, like, fire me up for uh
Naji Harris even in the fifth like and i'd be good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Man. See if they were if they wanted to bring
a compliment, what they'll do is they'll wait really late
and then they'll grab Dylan Sims.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Nasty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I know he is, and he can sideway stuff, which
Nag can't though he tries. Nag's always like that, Like
his jump cut is so long.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
It's really long. Nazi Harrison to realize what he's really
good at? What now you have? Like he's a great athlete,
He's just not a great lateral athlete. And I think
he needs to realize that he wants to go and
side yeah exactly, because he can hurdle people too, like
he has crazy bounce. He just needs to work on
that stiff arm man like use that you're so strong?

(01:09:19):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Derrick Henry does it well. Derrick Henry is a straight
line like it's gonna take me a second to get going,
but once I get full steam, like it's done right. Yeah,
and he never you don't see him go sideways. He
does not gets ever. You know, Nag needs to develop.
He needs to put on a little bit of meat.
He needs to and he needs to freaking hammer. Okay, Joe,

(01:09:43):
give us a goyue check, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
So the value check that I wanted to do was
for George Kittle. He's currently being drafted as tight end three.
I know that there's a lot of question marks about
kind of like the receiving situation in San Francisco, but
but it seems pretty steep for me right now, just
because we don't really know who that option is. Kittle
has been sometimes forgotten. I mean, obviously a Bowers McBride.

(01:10:14):
I think that Mark Andrews Johnny Smith being slept on
a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I probably wouldn't take Kittle over them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
But for me, it's like I would rather take a
running back or a wide receiver overdrafting Kittle early. That's
where I'm at more so than like, oh, like there's
tight ends that I feel better about. It's just that
like the value at him at tight end three, like
it's overdrafted, Like I wouldn't want to take him round five.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
What's his what's his overall ADP.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Overall ADP underdog is fifty two?

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Man, I'm on it tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Yeah, that's like, yeah, that's that's too early. That's too
early for those those one off positions. My boy Eric
over on ivy T size us all the time. One
off positions. You either get the best or you wait
right like and George Kettle, It just I don't know.
I'm starting to feel like that age is gonna catch
up to him quickly. And tight end three in the

(01:11:11):
fifth round. I had to have other needs and I
think tight ends is actually deeper than people want to
really realize. This year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I'm notorious for punting tight end and quarterback in
redraft for a long time. You know, that's just it.
I'll typically go running back heavy, I'll try to grab
me a couple of studs, and then tight end I'll go,
I'll go deep. I'll grab Hunter Henry and roll with it,
you know what I mean, like it? Yeah, I mean
you can get production out of some deeper guys. I

(01:11:40):
mean if you grab John new Smith last year, you
didn't even have to draft them. You picked them up
off waivers, and at the end of the year you
were like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
There's always won, there's always one tight end like that.
I don't know why there always is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
And like, you know, you can get you can get
guys so much later. Like you know, Evan Ingram, you
can get Evan inger them significantly later.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
You know, like it's there's there's just so much out there.
And then you know rookies, I you know it, zach Ertz,
you can get zach Ertz super late. You know, like
there's gonna be people out there that can provide, yeah,
if they need a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Don't I don't know if that counts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yeah, I mean old man Flacco is still still out
there grinding. All right, guys. That's uh, we'll have to
tab in some more value checks. Uh next time as
we start to get in and as we creep closer
to the draft, which I don't know about you guys,
but I am pumped for. Uh. The Fantasy Sports Advice
Network will be live in Nashville for the draft, uh,

(01:12:56):
broadcasting from the Crow's Nest Bar and grill. We will
be live on one on one point five and uh
it is gonna be a good time. So you ain't
gonna want to miss that. Make sure that you have
your draft time set up because you're gonna want our
takes more than you're gonna want to listen to what
you hear on TV now it's it's gonna be a

(01:13:18):
good time, good vibes, good time. And if you're in
the Nashville area, come out and see us the Crow's
Desk bar and grill Steve Man. What a pleasure.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
I know, I know, we we just a little bit.
But that's okay, that's the best part. That's that's the
best part of fantasy football.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Man. It's it's all about the takes, right, yeah. And
you know if everyone drafted the exact same way, that'd
be no fun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Well, it's a pretty generic model. Like I watched you
and seth uh, you know, bantering your show, and it
is very it is more often than you disagree than
you agree. And so uh, I think that that just
the the not I appreciate the the not willing to settle,
you know, like you have your takes, you own them,

(01:14:03):
Like that's when you're in the space and you're delivering,
like own your takes. And there's so many that are
so like flaky about it, like I don't know, maybe
and like we've literally swayed kind of like in in
talk swayed you know, thought points, which does happen, But
like you know, I appreciate it. I appreciate the commitment
to it. Joe, It's always a pleasure. Uh. Sorry for

(01:14:25):
the crew that we went a little bit over tonight,
but again appreciate you for tuning in. We will see
you next week on from the forum nine o'clock Central Time.

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