Win! Every! Year! Dynasty Fantasy Football - 🏈 Fantasy Football Q&A "From the Forum" - From The Forum

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's up? Welcome to Friday Night from the Form, and
tonight we're talking about balanced dynasty fantasy football, not win now,
not rebuilds, but win every year. I hope you're ready.
We got a good one for you. Let's get it.

(00:38):
What's up? Everybody got a party tonight. I got Mumo
the cow ready to knock somebody's head off, and we
got sleeves foxing that receding hairline like nobody else. My god,
we're talking dynasty fantasy football. Welcome from the forum. What's up, fellas?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
How are we living?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Guys doing good? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Will you teach me to football?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, you teach me to football?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Will you teach me to football? Man? You're like, what
six foot eight three?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, yeah, something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
We got some people in the chat my mind as
the weapon was first here. Uh, Kobe and the cattle
dogs appreciate you got buy you bangal Fantasy Network tuning in,
appreciate it. Look tonight we're talking dynasty fantasy football. And
you know, I don't know if you guys, I feel
like there's always this like narrative in fantasy where we're talking.

(01:47):
You know, we come over, we take on a team
and it's like, Okay, I got a win now, right,
Like I need to I need to dish my picks.
I need to get as many studs as I can.
I need a win now. Or there's this idea of
I need to rebuilding you to go, I need to
trade all my studs. I need to get as many
picks as I can. I need to build on young youth. Tonight,
we're posing the thought here that you can actually win

(02:12):
year after year and be competitive just playing strategic balanced
dynasty fantasy football. You know, where you can have both
vets and young players. You can invest your picks wisely,
you can play the trade market, the buy ups, the buydowns,
you know, and and keep winning. Right, that's what we

(02:33):
want to do. Like I don't know about you guys,
but I want that trophy on my man and I
just want my name over and over and over and
over again. Now you know, maybe that's just me being
conceded or having a lot of pride or just wanted
to win a lot, which is okay. I do like winning.
But you know, so just real quick before we get
in deep, if you would just go around the room,

(02:54):
introduce yourself. We'll go clockwise. Joe you start us off
at disco stlease, introduce yourself where they can find your content,
and then we're gonna jump right into it.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Keep this quick some here every week. Joe Frick Fantasy
Football Advice Network. Find me on Twitter j e Frk,
pretty much anything that social media. It's the same handle
because I'm uncreative and I don't want to use more
than six letters. Glad to be here or ady to
party with these guys, and yeah it'd be fun.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yehaw Slease go ahead.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Derek aka sleeves Bomb my mind is a weapon Fantasy
football show.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
You can find me Sleeze Bomb everywhere. First time on
the show. Man excited to be here.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Guys, slaves can ask you a question, are you inhaling
or exhaling when you speak? Because I can't. I can't
really Big Draft Energy ut channel Big Draft Energy on
Twitter and everywhere else. Just a basketball guy who crushes
every sort of fantasy football league he joined, so I'm

(03:56):
here for it.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Crushes in every league you know. So Sleeve, I'm gonna
start off you and because word around the world or
the fantasy realm is, or at least in the community,
first chat is that you are a dynasty savant, So
you know, share with our listeners, what is like a

(04:19):
if you had one rule, like as you kind of
answer dynasty leaguer, the way that you play that you
kind of live by, what would that.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Be first or last? Baby? First or last?

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Now I usually go, like we said before we were
in the show here, so top three or bottom three.
And I know you can say, you know, holding the
wind the whole time, trying to use veterans, trying to
use young pieces to stay relevant and stay on top.
That's very very hard and competitive leagues like eventually you're
gonna have to cut that down and rebuild.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
It can be done.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
But my thing is all trading twenty four to seven
always and you have to be paying attention. You have
to know when to strike, you have to know when
the player goes down. You have to know everything.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So you're in the you're you're really in the bi
low sell high trend of of being able to move
your roster, which is really you know, you have to
be engaged, like I do believe that in Dynasty, like
you have to really be engaged year round if you
want to be successful. What about you when you lean
into dynasty, what's something that you're like, you know, it's

(05:26):
kind of your foe thought or focus as you play.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I have no attachments to any sort of player on
your lineup, no matter how good they have been to
you in the past. Everybody has a price, and when
the price is right, you sell them and you try
to maximize not just future equity but also current performance
that you can capitalize on for a year or two

(05:50):
in your rosters. So future equity, just sell high, get
future equity equities everything, make sure that you liquidate what
you have and maximize it for not just the now,
but the future as well.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
We got d walk in the chat. Who's these people?
Nice at? I clicked on the wrong dynasty stream. But
let's see where this goes. Look, we're here to answer
you your questions. We're talking about violence balanced dynasty format.
If you've got questions about your roster or like when
it's when it's good to sell high, Maybe you're trying
to get a player evaluation on a player you know,

(06:26):
drop it in. We'll let you know kind of what
we're if we're a sell, if we're a by, if
we're a hold on those players, and try to give
you some feedback in the mean. You know, one of
the biggest conundrums sleaves in fantasy is the running back,
and it really comes down to what people view as

(06:46):
the running back age clip right, like that, which happens
a lot earlier. We talked about like the life expectancy
of players, right how long a wide receiver is going
to be affected for a roster, how long quarterback is
going to be affected for roster or running back and
and those things. Those are very very very different timelines
tight end same thing, very different timelines. So like for

(07:08):
a running back, what's usually your length of time you
want to roster them before you might enter a cell
period or you know, something like that.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Oh, here's a good example right away here. So if
you're if I'm contending, you know, say I see my
roster and it's looking like it's a chambon to roster,
I'll let the running back ride to twenty six twenty seven.
But usually for me, at twenty six is the cell point.
And my example would be like, look at Jonathan Taylor
right now, right, he went from running back one to
a couple injuries. He's twenty six years old, and you

(07:42):
might not even able to get a one point eight
for him, and like when people are talking like RJ.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Harvey right now. So if I have RJ. Harvey right
now and the Broncos pop this.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Year, which I think they're going to with their defensive
offensive line, and I'm not a contending team, I'm looking
to move him right away.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
The audience can't get over the cattle suit.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Ohio, that's that's my wife. So that's that's your system.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Look, it's a it's a big it's it's obviously like
right now, people are still holding the.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Unicorns, you know, like Henry, they're out there right right.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
You got like CMC, you got Saquon, you got Derrick Henry,
you know, and and they're still have high value even
though they're posed to age gap. But a lot of
people argue, really, you know, and kind of hitting at
that twenty six year mark, it's like at the end
of their rookie contract, right maybe minus a two year
extension unless they're exemplary, Like not many people are going

(08:47):
to come in like Zeke where you get eight you know,
you get essentially eight years of like top notch production
out of them before they fall off, you know, But
is that kind of where you're at this are you like,
does it depend on the player or do you have
kind of a strict strategy behind that as well.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
My strategy is actually very simple and a lot of
people won't like it, and I don't care because it's
worked for me in dynasty historically and it's going to
keep working for me. The NFL stands for not for long,
especially for running backs. So the moment they peak is
the moment you sell. People are always going to be emotional,
especially within the season. The moment you get somebody who's

(09:26):
just absolutely going insane. You look at guys who are
underperforming but have advantageous schedules later on, you sell high
on that running back. Get two pieces to considerable assets.
Build depth, also builds future equity. That's how I build
my dynasty, and that's how continue to build my dynasty.
I have no attachments to any running back, especially you.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Know that's that's difficult for me. As you can see,
I've got a CMC jersey up on my wall.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I do find players that I'm like, you know what,
it's one of my guys. I'm going to let them
die on my like we're gonna we're gonna ride it
out till the end, and uh, you know, and maybe
that's not the smartest It's probably definitely not the smartest
way to play, but I can't help it. It's like
the part of the fan, like I don't have a
favorite NFL team, so I tend to latch onto players,

(10:15):
which is you know why that probably happens. Fantasy has
really made that happen for me. But No, definitely appreciate
the thoughts on the on the running back, Joe, what
about you for running backs? Are you at a specific
space or maybe is there another position that you're a
little bit more careful on.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, I think running back is definitely the one to watch.
To follow up with what Sleeve said, the key with
that is there's too much information that's easily accessible that
people know what that cliff is, and if you get
too close to that, you're never gonna return the value
and you're gonna be left holding the back. So it's
like it sounds like it's early. You're saying, oh, twenty six,

(10:52):
like you probably still have three or four years left.
But if somebody's trading for a running back, they don't
want it to be for one season, especially when we're
talking about offs season mode. Middle of the year, you
have a guy that's hot, people are gonna be willing
to pay up. Like that's one thing, But when you're
in off season mode, like people are all looking to
make their teams better, and you're never gonna get the
value of Hey, there's this twenty eight year old, twenty

(11:13):
nine year old guy, you got a couple of years left.
I think, like it's just that conversation is never gonna
play out well. So I think that dishing those guys
off early. I know, for me from a dining sty perspective,
I'm always trying to keep up on the receivers and
just find guys that I believe in that people are
lower on consensus on. Like right now, Marvin Harrison Junior,

(11:34):
he is gonna be the cheapest one oh one pick
that you could possibly acquire right now because he had
a normal rookie season last year and you had a
couple other rookies that really smashed right. So it's like,
if you believe in Marvin, you think that he can
be anything close to what he was or projected to be,
then it's like now is the time to go and
get him. So that's that's how I need to feel

(11:55):
like you need to approach it. I think there's other
guys that you can take kind of like risks on.
Like I know, a couple of weeks ago we talked
about Chris Olave. I still think the talent is there,
they can concern doesn't bother me. So it's like that's
something that I would go and acquire because I think
it's worth the risk. He's still very young. You can
do those things, but you got to have people that
are willing to let go of those two. So it's

(12:15):
just I almost like to just do whatever anybody in
the community is talking about, do the opposite because everybody
is listening. And then it's just like all right, like
where can you kind of go against the grain and
get value?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, we got a cope people in chat Grindberg, good
evening fellas, nice hat, Joe, look, disco got you on, man,
Like everybody's loving the hat. Don't worry. Dev says, I'm here,
we can party now, Joe. Let's get it. Zig Zag baby, Look,
I freaking love Dynasty. Let's see here. Let's see Dee

(12:49):
Walk says. If the number one running back goes down,
the number two running back is often an auto start.
The same is not true of wide receiver. Therefore, talking balance,
I err on the side of weaker running back because
it's easier to fix midyear when injury comes. Look, let
me tell you some about and running back is a
key here. And you know, if anybody wants to pipe

(13:12):
in on that comment. You can wide receivers have length
of time and like you can get wide receivers that
have one off weeks regularly. Your running backs, I think
that you need to make sure that you grab some
of those high end handcuffs where you can get them
for cheap, because that will keep you in the game.
Running Back is an injury pro position period, it is.

(13:34):
And we saw it. If you draft to see him
see last year in your redraft leagues, you've got a
piece of it. You know, if you've owned Jonathan Taylor,
you see it a lot. You know, like it just
is what it is. It happens, so you can't get
away from some of those high upside plays and you
get them we talked about. You know, obviously I wouldn't
say in Dynasty, but if last year, if you held
on to JK. Dobbins through a good portion, then he

(13:58):
gave you some really effective weeks last year. That probably
kept you, uh or got you into the playoffs, now,
you know, and sort of in the middle of that streak,
would I have sold him? Yeah, you know, I don't
think his value is gonna get much higher than it
did then, but I agree, Uh, shoes are definitely like

(14:20):
I'm still holding on to Roshawan Shares. I might be
a little wild for that, but I just I think
he's got I think he's got a shot. And I know, Disco,
I know you're on the other side of that with that,
with the rookie that they just drafted. But uh, that's
what's great about fantasy. We can agree to disagree. Jerry
says hi all and then does says people give up

(14:42):
on guys so early it's crazy. So Disco, I mean,
in relation to what what d Walk said, how do
you how do you do you agree with that balanced strategy?
Do you go at it a little bit different?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean, it really depends. I'm first starters. I would
be more bullish on my running backs if I did
anything like standard or half PPR, But I don't hate myself.
I only play PPR exclusively, so therefore I get to
prioritize you know wide receivers and you know better positions.
I mean, if you play half PPR and standards off.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
The dark boys, here we go first off.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Half PPR point half point for first down is how
fantasy should be played. But people are afraid.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
That that is a whole different debate for a whole
different time. And uh, we're here to talk about dynasty,
not about I told Joe guys to go put something on,
like something fun, and this guy came out with like
a whole cow outfit. And I was still puzzled as
to how he did this, Like I'm trying to lock

(15:53):
in and talk, but like literally thirty six seconds, this
guy pulled out a whole like cowboy cow outfit. And yeah,
it's great. I love it.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You you should know by now you've been on the
show a few times. When you come on from the forum,
we're here for a good time. You're gonna get some strategy,
you know. But my, my, my guy over here, Joe's
got the drip and he's gonna bring it.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know what, they call me, freak nasty, the fashionable.
Somebody has to be it in the fantasy football community.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
It happens.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
But you know, we all have a role to play.
That's what I'm here for.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah. D Walk says, yeah, it's twenty twenty five, no
half our standard. Yeah, I think everybody's PPR. You know
the big debate right now it's going around a third
round reversal. But we're not going to get into that.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Uh So.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Dynasty see see no disrespect. Everyone starts in a standard
half PPR. It's the re draft gateway drug to the
Dynasty format. I will say this Dynasty like, I love Dynasty.
Dynasty gives me that ability to play in the off season.
It gives me the the I love scouting players. I

(17:10):
love looking at film. I like seeing draft spots. I
like seeing like how the depth chart lays out you know, values,
and that gets me excited because that's where I feel
like it's like walking watching the stock market. My portfolio
can grow faster than yours, you know. Like That's how
I kind of go at it, right, Like I'm gonna
I'm gonna make trades, I'm gonna make moves, I'm gonna
try to get the the edge. I'm gonna I'm gonna

(17:33):
buy low, I'm gonna sell high. Right, this is Dynasty period.
That's how you stay in it. That's how you stay
in the chair because you can't just win for a
few years and then be out right. You know, and
everybody you talk about managing key positions. We you know,
that's we talked about that, like quarterbacks. You know, quarterbacks
to see so many people move, but like a quarterback

(17:54):
is gonna give you potentially, I mean, if it's a
decent quarterback, which most leagues, you know, you talk about sixteen,
teen or twelve teams, you know you're gonna have at
least one that's gonna give you. I mean ten years
of production wide receiver, you're probably gonna get eight solid
years of production running back maybe four years solid production, right,

(18:17):
and that's probably close to the edge tight ends. Tight
ends are kind of like maybe six years.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Deposition's changing so much.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, you know, we're the only thing that's really changing
about is we're starting to see relevant tight ends earlier.
Used to it is like you draft a tight end,
you realize they're not going to be they're not going
to actually do anything for your roster till like year
three or four, you know, but we are seeing people
make an impact earlier. So I mean, do you all
kind of agree with those timelines any difference.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I mean, at the end of the day, just gotta
look at everybody as their own entity. Ultimately, I don't
think you know a trend is is bound to state.
You've got to just analyze everything differently. We've been blessed
with Sam Laporta his rookiear We've been blessed with brock
Bowers his rookie year. We saw Sam Laporta fall off

(19:12):
a cliff his sophomore year, and we're probably gonna see
brock Bowers fall off a cliff his sophomore year as well.
That's a player take, not necessarily a dynasty piece of
advice or whatnot. But as I alluded to earlier, and
this is going to be like the main trend that
I keep going back to. What it comes down to
is making sure that you invest at the right time,

(19:33):
make sure that you're very opportunistic, and then sell high
and get rid of them when their value is at
like an un like it's an unbearable high. And brock
bear Bowers right now, for like all intents and purposes,
he's he's at an all time high, like he's in
God territory right now. And when it comes to dynasty
fantasy football players. So yeah, I mean, just there's never

(19:56):
going to be a next brock Bowers. I don't think
Tyler Warren or Culls some and have that upside, and
I don't think brock Bowers has that upside either, So
just get rid of him and.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
It's the end all be all. But currently on key
trade cut, it would be a fair trade to trade
one for one brock Bowers for Jon Robinson, ceedee lamb Bonkers.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's it's it's ridiculous, right, and and for him to
sustain what he did last year, and we're going to
go into this being a player, take right. For him
to sustain what he did last year, that run game
would have to be anemic. It would have to average
less than two yards per carea would have to be
on second and long and third and long the most
in the NFL like it was last year. They would

(20:40):
have to do that. But with Pete Carroll, an improved
offensive line and that that that running back, Ashton Genty,
you know, just just a guy, you know what I mean,
Just just a guy, Just a guy.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
He just changed the stands.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
He's leaned over.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Now he's not gonna be I mean.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, it's just over. For Brock Bowers to repeat what
he did last year, it's a really impossible. It was
the perfect recipe for him to be spectacular, the same
way it was the perfect recipe for Rico Dado to
do well down the stretch because the situation. There's thirty
one other teams with better running backs than Rico Dado

(21:13):
that would have done just as good as Rico' dad
did in Dallas's situation. And now people are drafting Rico
Dado and training for Rico Dado as the handcuff to
to Chewba Hubbre and it just doesn't make sense, right,
So you got to read the room, you got to
read the schemes, you got to look at the abs
and flows of the of the offseason, and you know,
brock Buyer situations wasn't incredible. But it's not a trend.

(21:34):
It's just like this guy's an outlier. He had an
outlier year. And you know, good for the people who
had him, because I sure had him when I beat
you Joe in our IDP league, Right, he was definitely
on my team. Okay, cool, just just clarify it.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
D Walk said two and a quarter tight end premium
give me bijon over Broctavious Powers.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I didn't realize that was his real name.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
That's crazy, is it Proctavious?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
No?

Speaker 4 (22:04):
But I love it that, Oh Jerry, Jerry just had
to come at me with the with the Zamir.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Don't you let people bring bring your takes to you,
you know, like down the road. No, I mean it
happens to me. It's okay.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, why don't you talk about the Jamar Chase no
matter what. Jerry Bagshaw, By the way, that guy has
the firmest handshake in fantasy football. Uh, just in general,
his handshake will break your hand.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's great, Jerry Bagshaw.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, just don't shake his in he'll crutch it. My
hand is still like recovery.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So Britt Bradford still want to question in here and
this is this is really a conundrum. I think that
a lot of people face and sleez. You know. I
want to kind of peg this towards you a little bit,
but uh, trade picks or make picks. And I feel
like people live on like opposite ends of this spectrum.
Where do you lie and like what what would you

(22:59):
where would you push people?

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Depends on the situation. If it's a startup. I'm trading
picks to make picks. If we're already through the drafts,
they were in your two or three, my picks are
irrelevant to me. I'd rather make trades the whole way through,
and I'll just turn that pick into another trade and
do another trade and keep rolling it over because my
teams are you know, you want your team to compete,
and if the people in your league are smart, you're

(23:21):
looking at a one twelve or a two twelve.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
And sometimes they don't know that, so I just keep
rolling them over.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
So you're you're a trade churner. You're like the guy
that does like four trades in a series of like
six minutes that were all like pre set, and then
everybody goes, oh, wow, so how did you get from
there to there?

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Probably at like three hundred trades between fifteen dynasties or
an offseason.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
That's insane, it's absurd, it's really annoying.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh and when you brought up JK.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Dobbins, that was a good, like good twenty six point
As soon as he popped those two twenty point games
last year, I sold him in Disco's Dynasty right after that.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, don't forget what I did with DeAndre Swift and
Ramandre Stevenson. You know, they they ultimately turned up turned
into UH as an agent for sure, but they ultimately
ended up in Caleb Williams, Bucky Irving an exervior worthy.
Those two at some point were higher than those guys
in a Dynasty startup, and I turned them into Caleb Bucky. Yeah,

(24:27):
it's very worthy. And I finished in the in the championship.
So I mean it's all about once again, just knowing
who your guy is going. Like I even got Chase
Brown for dirt cheap going for knowing who your guy
is investing, your guy going for them when the values
at an all time low.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
This goes in here flexing. Uh So speaking of that, like,
let's let's let's get into this. Let's get in some too.
What about what they always say? Uh, let's be specific. Okay,
so right now in the Dynasty landscape, let's get into
a f you players that you think are like at
that peak trade away value right that, Like, if anybody's

(25:08):
watching right now, you're saying, hey, if you have this player,
they're never going to be worth more than they're worth
right now, go sell them and try to get a
player like this. You know, let's get in.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
We do one for each position.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Sure, but we'll go we'll do it. We'll go position wise,
so we'll start quarterback.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Slease you want to go first, because I got one
right off the top. Go ahead, go ahead, Jayden Daniels.
I got to get rid of them. And I'll tell
you why. Nobody. I'm telling you right now, there's nobody
on the planet who was more bullish on Jayden Daniels
last year. Sleeves, you were there. There's a couple of
people on the top who are also there. Second, I

(25:49):
said it in late July, early August. I said this, Okay,
you all have Harry as thanks Daniah Jesus Christy. You're
probably right though, but dude, Life shout out to them
that didn't sponsor me. It is what it is. So
uh anyways, I almost after, but we're not on disco show. Okay,

(26:12):
So nobody said what I said. I said Jane Daniels
was going to be the offensive rookie of the year.
This is July, and this is when everybody was out
on the commanders. Not only did I say that, I
said he was going to have a career year and
a record breaking year for all rookie quarterbacks. I also
said they were going to go to the NFC Championship game.
Sleeves was there. I quoted it. I said it. I'm high, Joe.

(26:34):
Did you say that?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, I'm just I'm just having a moment with the
comments that apparently I don't fit into the Harry booty club.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I don't ever know what's going to happen on this one.
The way, I'm just impressed you have a moose dash
right now. So with that being said, if you look
at the volume and the volatility that he's used in
the run game, and then you look at historically his
his likeliness of suffering injury, I question his durability, not
his ability. And it's more of a durability situation for me.

(27:09):
Everybody is at an all time high for Jaden Daniels.
The only thing that could be worse is if we
see an injury happen and an injury sustained, similar to
an RG three situation. So I'm out on Jade Daniels
because the ADP is way too high.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Are you talking about nasty? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
And I'm out on him this year and if he's
shipped this year, then I buy him ten years if
I sell listen, if I sell high now on Jaden Daniels, right,
I can get a lot of pieces and then I
could probably go buy him back when he's at an
all time low. I'm saying right now, he's at an
all time high. I'm not invested in. People are emotional creatures.

(27:49):
They are going to want to get rid of him
and get what they can and then I'm going to
buy him back for pennies.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You're gonna buy Jadeen Daniels back for pennies.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
After I sell him for a fork. Okay, So I'm
going to clip this. I'm going to I'm gonna have
the same reactions sleep lash sleeves.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Did you have.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Did you have the same reaction when I said this
about Jay and Daniels last year how he was going
to be in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
But we're talking dinas.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Okay, I'm going to nail this call to we had that,
we had the same same reaction. I'm here for the
humility and you don't have any and I love it.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
You can get thousand top three protected first for j
D five right.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Now, I like I won't have a beer with this guy.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
He's hilarious all the time.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
No sleeves. Obviously you have a different opinion. I mean,
you can you feel free land It's it's on this show.
We do have to keep the language down because we
are live on radio, but it is okay to disagree
with the co hosts, including me. I'm okay, I'm always right,
shut up, it's a yeah, right so, and Jane is

(29:05):
tough like and it really comes into dynasty right like.
So you can sell Jayden and you might get as
d walk says, seven thousand top three protected first and
JB for him right now. But there's also the chance
that he doesn't. He doesn't fall back, right, he doesn't
take a step back, he doesn't take an injury. It's

(29:26):
it's upon it. And then the cost. I don't say
I think the cost gets higher, but it definitely doesn't
get lower, you know, is it. So? I mean you
have a point I guess in the fact that it's
not going to be higher than it is right now.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I feel it's an all time high. So okay, let
let's look at it this way, right, because you're you're
in the business of cars, right you brought. You buy
a brand new what do you sell? Nissan? You buy
a brand new Nissan Titan. Right, you buy it, you're
stoked about it, you love it. Okay, what happens the

(30:03):
moment you take that off the lot? It appreciates half
its value? Half its value? Right?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Because talent negotiated a really good deal.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Okay, I don't say, say I found a sucker who
wants to pay not just what I bought for that car,
but he wants to pay double or triple what I
invested for that car. I know what the car is
currently worth, and I know what the car has been
through the moment I took it off the lot, right,

(30:34):
So am I going to sit here and say I'm
not going to take triple the investment back and you know,
build elsewhere because this guy's at an all time high value.
Like it's you alluded to stocks earlier. Say you invested,
Say you invested in bitcoin at like eight dollars, right,
and then you got it up to twenty four dollars.

(30:56):
Are you just gonna sit and hold or a you're
gonna take your investment back.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Four dollars?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
But that's when you got into it.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, let's be specific with the specific and then we
got to get to Mark G's question. Because he paid
for us, we want to make sure he gets answered.
But like, okay, so let's say you're trading JD five, right,
you're also trying to win a championship. Oh yeah, so
you're trying to win a championship cause we're talking about
balanced dynasty here. So let's say you trade JD five
and you're you're trying to get essentially maybe a three

(31:27):
first rounder esque type deal. Right, what quarterback do you
think that you can pair with enough value that keeps
your points at the position high enough to still be competitive? Right?
Because I look at my players, I look at my
quarterback on the running backs, and each roster spot, I
think about the points per spot, right, I want each

(31:47):
spot to be maximized. So if JD five represents twenty
seven to thirty five points a game, right, then then
what quarterback are you going after that has a lower
value you where you can still get all the bye
highs that you need, that that's going to replace that
production or at least not be as much of a

(32:08):
fall off that you're still running championships.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Okay, so Slaves knows me very well. He's my co
host on my Friendship Friday shows, the same way you
guys kind of doing the Friendship the Freaky Fridays with
Joe here. Please please, who who's the bylow quarterback that
I would pair with? Say? DK Metcalf, No, stupid, it's wrongs.
Who's my QB one this year?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I keep going Dynasty Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yes, I would get a Patrick Mahomes, somebody who has
shown that he has elite upside. I'm invested in the
Patrick Mahomes Revenge Tour. And then I would also tag
in draft capital and say a wide receiver like a
DK Metcalf or Jerry Judy, even a Courtland Sutton, somebody
who I know can perform now and their value will
go up at some point this season where I could

(32:56):
flip them as well. But Patrick Mahomes is somebody who's
at an all time right now, and JD five is
at an all time high, So that's where I would
go with it.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
So you're saying JD five for Patrick Mahomes a first
round pick and DK Metcalf or Courtland Sutton or something.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Like that, correct, and I would win that trade.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I don't think it's a bat trade.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I don't think it's a bat trade either.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I know you're over there scratching your head the whole time.
I've mean faced palminent hard. Are you.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Also tackle more draft equity with that?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
If somebody, if somebody trade in your inbox, right, someone
puts that trade in your inbox, or let's say let's
say they go, let's say they don't believe. Let's say
they're going to send you somebody like uh like Drake
may Or or or you know even somebody with high
upside this year that that could Yeah, they give you

(33:51):
a J. J. McCarthy or Murray Marvin Harrison Junior and
a first for JD five? Are gonna take it?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Harris?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Or of course he's the number one, He's the number
one guy to buy low right now?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
So see it's Garrett Wilson slaves. And then I know
you're in on Justin Fields. I know you like him.
I know you're in on Travor.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
If we're in a super flex and I own JD five.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
We didn't say super we didn't say super flex.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
We're just taking We gotta hit we gotta hit Mark
G's question. We gotta hit Mark G's question. I want
to make sure he gets it. Super questions, Actually, what's up, guys?
Two questions? Trade in early twenty twenty six. First, probably
one through four or for a Mecca and Trede Benson.

(34:36):
Who uh who you rather have? Kyler or Jordan Love?

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Thanks? Okay?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
So first question, trading early twenty twenty six. First, probably
in the front half for America and Benson.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
No smash that you're taking. You're taking a Mecca and
Benson for one to four next year. I'm not doing that,
m hm.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
I'm not maybe a top seven asset soon.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
If it's on the backside of that. If it's on
the backside of that, I might be interested. Like if
it's if it's if essentially I'm getting a Mecca and
Benson for like uh, Caleb Johnson or I always trying
to if you think about picks, you got to relate
picks to players, right like you got to like attach

(35:23):
a name to it or a projected name so that
you can get a real badue ahead's lise.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay, So look at it like this.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
It does look expensive now, but when you're looking at
twenty twenty six, say James Connor injury history that he
has every year four games missed.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Next year he'll be thirty one. You have Mike Evans
next year thirty two, Chris Godwin next year thirty. Their
injury histories are massive. A Mecca Aguka is special and
you will not be able to get that value come
next year.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I agreed to disagree because this comes down to player takes,
not necessarily draft equity. Like if we're just talking about
player takes, I mean, Demarcado got more work than Trey Benson,
and Tredy Benson was highly touted, So how much do
they actually love the trade Benson situation? Does he have
it all sorted out and figured it out. That's an
issue to be decided later. It's all theoretical. What it

(36:14):
comes down to is the value that you're actually getting
in return, right, the actual value in comparison to the
imaginable value where you know your mind is a weapon.
Tends to drift. Sometimes it's okay because like, you're brilliant,
you're one of my favorite guys. But Trey Benson, by
no means like it's literally a one oh four. It's

(36:35):
a one to four for That's.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
What The thing that it comes down to for me
is this super flex or not, because twenty twenty six
is supposed to be a really big quarterback.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
In that class.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And it's like, if it's a one QB league, yeah, sure,
like I don't care, like whatever, go for it. But
if it's gonna be super flex, those quarterbacks are gonna
be worth so much more. Those early picks are gonna
be worth all that. And if Evans and God would
have a solid year, Buka like, you're basically betting this
year on the fact that those guys can't stay healthy.
But if he has a j s N first year,

(37:06):
he's not gonna be worth that in the following season.
And I'm pretty bullish on a bok. He was my
most drafted player.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
This year. So let me ask you this, And it's
because I have this trade on the dot. It's a
one quarterback league and I have Kyler Okay. Uh A
guy is willing to trade me Lamar Jackson for uh
A Mecca Igbuka and uh Brian Robinson Jr. And Kyler

(37:38):
no A Mecca and Brian Robinson Jr. For Lamar.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That's how good a Mecha Buka is. By the way,
if you didn't realize it, now, listen to it now,
but I would.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Take that Bybuka winning.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Now, that's that's the play.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I love Ibuka. I was very very early on Abuka,
very bullish on him, hated the landing spot initially after
he got drafted. But I've come to terms with like
the whole potential injury situation with that being said Lamar
Jackson all day, like.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's yeah, yeah, all right, so sweet. So let's get
to the second part of his question. Uh and and
I really am not big on either one of these quarterbacks,
so I'm going to keep my nose out of it.
But would you rather have Kyler or Jordan Love?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Jordan Love?

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I mean, we don't Eyler's future, do I have to
pick one?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
You got hype right now? Like today we see tweets
of Kyler out there and he's like killing, like, oh,
you know, it's the year, Like you know, you have
that Ota hype right now? Behind him and Jordan Love,
they're like, oh, he has seven wide receiver fours. You know,
you see the the highlight on Twitter of Saveon Williams,

(38:54):
you know, doing the curl route getting hit in the hands.
The ball bounces and he fumbles it, but he still
catches it. And picks them run. They're like, oh great,
here we go again. You know, if somebody's in dynasty, right,
I mean, which one of these assets do you want
to keep? And to me, really, neither one of these
assets are ones that I want to build my roster around.

(39:14):
So the question is which one is going to have
the highest value to sell faster.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Jordan Love not someone you don't want to build your
roster on.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
By the way, that's a great question, Sleaves, because I mean,
if we're out on Dan he was because he was
hurt last year, then there's an issue, right, we're being
way too reactive on what happened last year. I think
Jordan Love is a buy right now, and he's one
of the better by low options, and you should bylow
Kyler Murray has given you every opportunity to get rid
of him. This is like you're never going to get

(39:43):
a higher value because we know what's on the other
side with Kyler. Whereas we saw Jordan Love be absolutely
spectacular the back end of his first year when he
took the helm there and then last year first week
in Rio in Brazil on a slippery field, his knee
or calf both popped. You know, yeah, and then he

(40:06):
played through with the rest of the season and we're
out on Jordan Love because he couldn't make the play
action offense on the Matt lafloor where he's supposed to
roll out and be active and incredibly accurate. They still
made the playoffs. They were still a good team. He
is one of the better passing quarterbacks, one of the
better arms. A healthy Jordan Love over Kyler Murray ten
times out of ten unless it's like a super premium

(40:27):
for rushing. But even then, Kyler is not going to
give you that ROI, whereas Jordan Love. He's the best
value you can probably get Jordan Love. And then some
I think that.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Kyler has a better likelihood of finishing in the top
five this year, but I think that Jordan Love has
the best out of the two. I don't think it happens,
but because of the rushing upside, he could pop there,
whereas like Jordan Love, like he's gonna have to throw
for forty forty five touchdowns to make that happen. That
being said, if we're talking dynasty here and not like

(40:59):
this singular season, he is likely he is more likely
to grow his value. If Kyler has an off year,
he could be done.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Like Love like.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
He may not finish like super High, Like he may
not be a top five quarterback this year, but his
value will increase in Dynasty this season.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I mean, I was going to say, at the end
of the day, we're going to be talking about Kyler
Murray if he has a bad year, the same way
we were talking about Daniel Jones getting cut last year
from the New York Giants. That's the same That's where
Kyler Murray is at. So Jordan Love is somebody who
just played through hurt. But even if you're looking at
it that way, he still made the playoffs his first

(41:38):
two years, and he was still incredibly accurate when he
had to be in his first two years. We saw
him be absolutely elite the back end of his first year.
And I know I'm repeating myself, but like, we're not
going to write somebody off because he was hurt. And
if you're going to write somebody off because they were
hurt the year prior, then you don't deserve them when
they blow up this year. Like, no Fantasy championship this
year's ever won because we're copying and pasting what happened

(42:01):
last year. You have to use common sense, and Jordan
Love has shown that he can be absolutely exceptional in
that offense. And I think he has top ten upside
as his floor minimum as long as he stays healthy
and nobody, nobody should really do a victory rap if
somebody gets hurt. But that's for a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, I'm also a really good receiver in Matthew Golden too.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah that's in that room day one, and Jaden Reid's
still there, and Christian Watson is no longer the guy
that we're depending on to be the guy. There's still
down taving like we're looking at death as a bad thing.
Luke Musgrave is still like death is not a bad thing.
He has a litany of weapons, which is what every
quarterback wants, and they're all good. It's so much depth

(42:42):
that you know you cannot fail, So we can't look
at death as if it's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think the other thing that's an unfair criticism for
Love is that he's not the pepper, this one guy
with targets, Like there's not the correlation of like, hey,
like I have this wide receiver one in fantasy and
then this quarterback that's done well also, So it's like
there's this perception in the fantasy community that, oh, like
he's not gonna get it done because he doesn't have
a guy that he throws one hundred and seventy times too.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, and they're gonna have to preserve Josh Jacobs at
some point. Josh Jacobs is gonna miss times. Can't take
that many touches, can't He can't, right, So he's gonna
miss some time this year, whether he gets spelled from
another running back or whether he goes down with an
injured Because he was over three hundred touches last year,
we know that we're gonna have to rely on that
offense in that passing game in high potential shootout games.

(43:30):
They have already forty seven games with forty seven or
over total expected points in this upcoming season. So I
mean we're expecting shootouts, respecting fireworks. It's not going to
all be Josh Jacobs. Jordan Love is a buy now,
buy him now. Like if you are watching us, like,
keep watching, make sure you have YouTube premium to keep
us up, but go trade for Jordan Love.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
So I'll put it like this, if you're playing Dynasty
and the real NFL is talking about trading your quarterback
that you own.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
No, no, I like it, And guys, I'm gonna kind
of move the conversation because we've got several more positions
to cover as far as like players were looking to
move off of in in you know, a balanced dynasty format.
I love to talk some quarterbacks, you know. For me,
I sold Jordan Love as soon as he popped off
when they let Aaron Rodgers go, and everybody's like, oh
my gosh, this is the equation, right, this is the

(44:27):
way that the Packers do it. And he is excellent,
and everybody looked at him like he would be the
next Aaron Rodgers, and I sold him for a bucket.
But that's me. I didn't just didn't believe in the
talent over a long period of time, like as a
franchise dynasty asset, right, because for me, I want somebody
that's going to be elite for the next ten years,
so I don't have to touch the position, right Like

(44:50):
Jane Daniels, Sure, yeah, I'm with you. So, okay, are
there terriffs on supers? I don't think so, but I
guess i'll find out now since you donated in Canadian.
I appreciate it, you know. Uh so, okay, running backs?

(45:15):
What what running backs? And you know I'm gonna we're
we're tight against the timelines. So I'm gonna really let
Sleeves and and disc go here hit as our guests
a running back now that has a super high value
that you're looking to move off of, and then make
sure you couple it with a asset that you want

(45:36):
to get back. Plus right, that's gonna remember again, we
want to we want to accumulate the same points per
roster spot, but we want to gain assets to build
to continue to build on this monster of a team
that we have.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
I think I'm gonna agree with Sleeves Spas answer here.
I know too well.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
So are we trying to go for players that are
already high value or players that I'm trying to get
up that gain high value in then move.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
This is this is balanced dynasty. You're winning championships and
you want to continue to win. So you may believe
that this person is at the top of their game,
but maybe they're expended, so you're only going to get
this year's production. So there may be somebody on the
other side that can still produce that same value or
close enough to it, plus a future asset or two,
or or fill in another roster gap. So who's that

(46:22):
player that you're looking to deal right now?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Saquon Barkley yep eight talking about retirement touchs?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
You think the retirement narrative hurt his value?

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Though?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Like are you really? Like what what do you get
in that trade? Like? What what do you trade in? Saquon? Four?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
The world?

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Give me, give me Quinn Shawn Judkins and a twenty
six versus of twenty seven second?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Okay, I don't think two years ago.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
So can I ask you a question, Tyler? Yeah, Historically,
if you look at running backs who led the league
in touches, everything and touches and everything. Historically, when you
look at those running backs, what do they do the
following season in fantasy?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Are you talking about the curse of the three hundred?

Speaker 4 (47:15):
No, I'm not talking about the curse of three hundred.
I'm talking about the person who led the league in
fantasy football in NFL in touches, whether it be passing
or running. What happens to them the following season in fantasy?
They get hurt, They fall off the cliff, significant cliff.
It's not even just hurt. I'm not worried about hurt.
They fall off of a cliff and they don't give
you that return on investment. In fantasy football. It's like

(47:38):
the most fool proof thing that you can focus on
in fantasy, especially in Dynasty. It has worked every single year. Yes,
Sequon Barkley is a unicorn. Yes he's good for football,
but he is battling two curses this year. He's battling
the curse of three hundred plus touches, and he's bating
the matter curse like he needs. He needs to stop
what he's doing. He needs to do the stake one,

(48:00):
you know Barkley stuff, and you know, I pray he
stays healthy. But Will Shipley is probably somebody who I'm
invested in in every basketball time, I.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
See everybody's talking about buying Will Shipley right now.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I'm sell.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
You're also wearing a cow cowboy.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Personal, don't make it personal.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I did this for you, by the way, I know
you did.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
I'm so grateful it's.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
I would also say, Breeze Hall, I'm just I'm just
out on Breeze Hall. I don't about the age nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
You know Isaiah Davis is somebody I want in my
back pocket.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
I'm just telling you, I've said this like five times.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I think Breesehall's value right now, which is still decent
off a bad year, is the best it's ever going
to be.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Philly Water is different, Barkley will be even better for
no reason at all. Philly Water is dirty. Okay, so
much everything not gonna be better? Okayted h I love
it again. We gotta keep cooking. We gotta keep cooking,
even though Joe, I mean, they both gave the same
an agreeance with Saque. Is there anybody that you're moving

(49:16):
off of this year?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I was trying to move off him before the draft
because I thought that they were going to draft somebody.
People are going to forget that he's a fifth round
pick and he's tied to an elite offense, but they're
probably gonna replace him at some point. Chase Brown, give
him a couple of big games, He'll probably really good
this year. But long term, like we were saying before,
the NFL knows more than we do, even if we

(49:38):
sit here and talk about it on YouTube. Fifth Round
Capital For a reason.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I just don't Chase Brown for BTJ straight.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
What what You're crazy?

Speaker 6 (49:50):
I'm telling you kids, Tyler, it's the hype. If you
come out of the draft, everybody expects them to draft somebody.
They don't draft somebody. He was good last year.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Let me just plug the website real quick.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, hang on dot com.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Tyler writes fake articles about Chase Brown so you can
sell them for uh.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
To be straight, I actually dealt the full the full
compass of the trade was, uh was Chase Brown, Jerry
Judy and JK.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Dobbins and Nissan Rogue No.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
Four four.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I don't really need to get into it, uh, BJ
Kenneth Walker and Trey Benson. Uh so maybe, but I
would have I would have traded Chase Brown and Jerry
Judy for BTJ. Like I mean, but the the what
I'm talking about is it's the buy sell, like the Bye,

(50:52):
like the Cell High by Low formula, right, like the
you know what do you listen the draft Travis Hunter? Right,
Chase Brown gets no backfield competition, right that anybody's thinking about.
I know that there's some in the room that like
todsh Brooks, but like they don't really draft anybody to

(51:13):
really give him competition in his role, especially if it's
a PPR format, we're talking about a pass catching back.
He has validity, and some people believe that he's actually
gonna finish as a top five running back this year
in fantasy. And so if you're talking about top five
running back in fantasy for a top five wide receiver,
running backs are typically harder to attain, you know, especially

(51:33):
with long term value.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
So that that was the deed, that's crazy. You could
probably sell someone in a car with three wheels.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I can't sell somebody. Okay, d Walker and appreciate it.
You guys are all right. Go birds. Sorry Joe, I subscribe.
He thank you for subscribing. Thank you for the support.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And Eagles, I don't know. The Eagles are fine. It's
the flyers that I can't stand.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
So all love for the The Eagles got all they
wanted in and that the tush push did not get
banned and they celebrated and everybody's happy because of it.
Jalen Hurts Jalen Hurts values sustained. Yep, yees it stayed
because had that had that gone through, Jalen Hurts value
would have dropped significantly. Uh in dynasty formats, Okay, he.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Was on the trade block everywhere during that on my leaks,
Oh man, I would have bought that up.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
See he threw less than twenty touchdown passes last year.
There's no way that that's going to happen this year.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Look in Dynasty, if I can give you any morsel,
if you want to win through trading, just freaking work
the panic traders. Like, there's so many players people that
just like panic and they want to just hurry up
and get like the most value they can out of
a player. And most of the time they did, they

(52:51):
end up selling them for cheap. They don't they don't
win right like and you can. You can win heavy
in those deals because they're just trying to get rid
of them because as they're nervous. Don't do panic plays. Period.
Is my is my car supposed to have less than
three wheels? No, hopefully it has four wheels.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Expert analysis Tyler, I.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Know right, move over to we're moving to wide receivers. Okay,
wide receivers right now that you're moving off of and
who you're trying to attain. Plus, go ahead, start us
off sleeze.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Last time I would go and add Bucky Irving buckle ahead,
start start us off sleeves. I'm off of Bucky Irving
this year too.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
We're doing wide receivers that I'm moving right now. Yeah, okay,
I would start off with Brandon I Yuk. If I
could get it for a Matthew Golden, I would take that.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
All day every day.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Nobody's paying that.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
He's a you go for one eleven. You can get
Golden for like two point one.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's worse than my trade. If you got a one
eleven for a Yuk right now after coming off an injury,
you are you were.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Like I've seen some, I've seen some, if not, I mean,
anyway to get rid of him. He's one player I'm
completely out on. If I had to give another one
that I'm trying to get rid of here and I'm
trying to still compete and stay in the same range.
I mean, Tyree kills someone you got to run from.
But it's the buying market is not there for the

(54:24):
player you have, so he's kind of tough. I mean,
if you can get any first around there, I would
take it, but most people are scared to buy him.
Let me throw another one out there real quick, going
through the list. Chris Evans or Mike Godwins are contending
only pieces for me that I'd like to move Chris.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Evans America on the trade blocks.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Godwin and I'd try to, you know, anyway I can
get to a Jerry Judy is what I'm trying to
look for.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Well, you can get America, I promise you can. That
deal will happen. If you offer Mike Evans for Jerry Judy,
I will take it, and other people will take it.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
I tell you that's I would do that all day.
I do not believe in Mike Evans this year. No
way he does it again.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I mean, you guys, you guys got to look at
it this way with Mike Evans because I agree with
Mike Evans. Get rid of Hi High. They kind of
like did like this big like school party at the
end when they fed Mike Evans his was crazy, bro.
When they fed Mike Evans his last touch, like we
probably just saw it for the last time. It's not
happening again, right with him getting one K like we

(55:37):
saw it happen. We saw the celebration blown out. Yeah,
it's it's done. So listen. I'm an advocate for like
selling and as I said, I have zero attachments whatsoever.
Last year, anybody who would listen to me, I told them,
Jamar Chase, no matter what, Jamar Chase, no matter what.
Right now, if you have an opportunity to sell Jamar Chase,

(55:59):
you could probably get the world for him. So I
am going to try to get the world for selling
Jamar Chase. Not just make sure that I'm good for
this year with say like a Nico Collins and then
some or something or like a Pukainakua and then some
or a Brian Thomas Junior and then some. I'm also
going to establish myself for the future as well. I'm
always an advocate of selling people at like an astronomical

(56:22):
high that cannot be repeated. How often have we seen
a wide receiver one repeat the following year as a
wide receiver one very selfing saw we saw DeVante Adams,
Antonio Brown, and Calvin Johnson. Is Jamar Chase in that
same echelon, It's that same category of wide receiver potentially
because what he did was absolutely incredible, but he also

(56:44):
just got paid.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I am I am a fan of watching the just
got paid dynamic. I think that does affect players. Unfortunately,
it does, especially if it's a fully guaranteed contract.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Oh yeah, just uh.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I don't hate that take. Actually, I don't hate the
take on the sale of Jamar Chase. I understand, we
see seventeen hundred yards last year, seventeen touchdowns number one
in But but I mean you can I mean BTJ.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
And yeah, you know, like Nico and Pooka, And it's
well within the realm of possibilities.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
These values high.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So on the Jamar Chase, like you can get you could.
Somebody would pay you Nico and BTJ to get Jamar Chase.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Oh my god, I bought.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I bought on a draft. I sold him for t
Higgins my first which would have been Hampton and then
late twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Six first that's exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
That's what he's worth.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Yeah, and I was fine with that. Yeah, I don't
think you can get both BTJ and Nico, but I
think you could get like a bt I.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Think you can because I don't think weirdly enough, maybe
it's draft capital, but for some reason, the world doesn't
seem as high on Nico as he deserves to be.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Like, yeah, I mean, okay, so like we're talking about
different like realistic.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I feel like, because I trained panel as Courtland Sutton.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I I got Tony Pollard and Jayleen Warren. And I'm like,
I got Jayalen Warren and Tony Pollard for for for
Chase Brown, this guy gets Brian Thomas Junior Kenneth Walker
the third. So I mean, like, yeah, it's well within
the possibility to get both of those guys, both Puka
and and or Nico and Brian Thomas Junior. But I
don't think you could get both of them. Like, I

(58:41):
don't know a league that I'm in, and I'm in
several dynasty leagues where I could get both of them.
I could get one of them and then some Yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
A real trade. I'm telling you, dude, it's weird. It's
there are some players in the NFL that that it is.
People just do not latch too, and they put them
over here in this corner like they're like second rate citizens.
And Nico Collins is one of those players like he

(59:11):
is he People don't look at Nico and go, this
is my wide receiver one. They look at Nico and say,
this is my mid guy. You know, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
We I do too.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But when I'm saying, he go, he goes like number
nine in basketball drafts right now? But how could you
get That's crazy? If you get that trade out, I
didn't see that. Send it to me.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I do want to see it too, but I mean,
I haven't seen it possible. But I can imagine somebody's
panicking and wants to get Jamar Chase because they're reactive.
I just don't have those people in my leagues.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
All right, keep it moving because we are a little
bit over time, So I'm gonna try to jam this
last bit in the ten minutes. Let's get to tight end.
Who is a tight end that you're moving off of now? Right? That?
And then who are you trying to get.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Brock Bowers and trying to get trade McBride.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
So you're move an off brock Bowers and trade McBride,
and what.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I think you could get like a second in twenty seven.
I think you could get maybe even a second in
twenty six. And if they're really desperate to get brock Bowers,
which a lot of people are, especially the Raiders fans,
it's kind of like their messiah, you can probably get
a first a future first as well. For Trey McBride.
He's only got sustainability and longevity and you know, more

(01:00:32):
rapport with Kyler Murray. The only thing that we're missing
there is touchdown progression. And once he gets a touchdown progression,
he's going to kill it. Because he's been as consistent
as they come. Brock Bowers has a completely different scenario
and situation and for him to repeat I think is
next to impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Well, Gino has never effectively really fed.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
His tight end, and now that's pet Carol.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, right, so brock Bowers, I mean, it's definitely a
deal there. I like trade McBride, and I do think
you t is a weird position, like you get starting
franchise positioned tight ends in the second, third, and fourth rounds,
like you do not have to spend it first on
a tight end. Trey McBride was not a first round
pick in majority of dress. He was a second round

(01:01:15):
pick uh in Dynasty, and we are seeing what he
is capable of. Now, I love that take. That's a
great take. What about you sleeves tight end you're moving off.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Of Now I'm taking If I have John hus Smith
and he's my tight end two, I'm taking him and
moving him for Jake or Terrence Ferguson right now. If
David and Joku is my tight end two, I'd be
moving him for Terrence Ferguson at like a second right
now as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
That's how high I'm on Terrence Ferguson.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
All right, it's interesting. I'm interested. Uh, you know, the
the Terrence Ferguson hype has done has come out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah, he's done. It's done. It's done. We didn't stop
talking about it. Done.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
But yes, I believe it's gonna be. You know, it's
also scary because you have Stafford. You don't have the
situation next year. You know what's gonna happen. Is he
playing one more year? Do they do one last dance?
But Ferguson, if he had Adams and Book out there,
oh my god, he's gonna be open all day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
What about you, Joe tight End, you're moving off of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Give me Tyler Warren. I know that he had the
big year last year. I know he was taken in
the first round, But the way that he's being valued
when he hasn't stepped on the field yet. The same
with Colston Loveland. I think that it's too high. I
think people have this Oh, rookie tight ends are gonna
just do what the last couple sets of rookie tight
ends have done. I don't think that they're necessarily going
to live up to the hype. I don't have a

(01:02:41):
lot of faith with anything that's happening in the Colts
quarterback room. Richardson has the shoulder injury, Daniel Jones is
still Daniel Jones. It's an upgrade for Anthony Richardson, but
it's not great. I think his value does not increase
this year. So somebody that you can get in a
one for one right now, shout out to our boy,
Brandy Ballers. You could flip Tyler Warren for Ac and
Dark right now, like you could do something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Like that, you guys construction, I guess for sure, right
But it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
To me, it's just how how can some of that
hasn't played the game in the NFL yet, who had
one good season in college? How is he already tight
end five? You're already value essentially because the top two
guys aren't going anywhere for sure, So really, how high
can his value actually go?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
I have Tyler Warren and tight end three in Dynasty.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
But but but I mean, you can't really blame Tyler
Warren for having one good year in college. He's never
had a good quarterback. Last year was the first year
where he had, like he had to go play quarterback
essentially as a wildcat for him to finally get recognition
and notice as a valuable talent. I mean, the talent
is there. You look. You look at what he did

(01:03:50):
last year. Yeah, I mean, sure he didn't perform and
put up statistical numbers his first few years, but that's
because like look at the quarterback play. Those guys are
and even CFL worthy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
But he did have well, he had Theol Johnson ahead
him and Briton Strange, right, he had a tough road
to get.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
There are two still tight two tight ends that we
are hoping emerged this year. Still like we're still waiting
on the emergence of those players. I don't hate to
take Joe, I don't I don't hate to take on
And obviously I'm a little bit of a middleman here.
I'm trying to support everybody in their takes. I don't

(01:04:28):
hate the like Tyler Warren's value is extremely high, and
if it doesn't pan out, if he doesn't look porta
in year one, then that value is gonna drop, right,
And so the the reaction here is and and really
what Disco and Sleeves are showing is like tight end
three in Dynasty Roster. You know, discoes like, oh, I
don't know if I if I deal warrants. So you

(01:04:49):
got two Dynasty savants here that are going like, hey,
you know, I kind of want to hang on to
that guy. I don't know if he's worth dealing, which
which then portrays the value like the market value, right,
So if you can deal him and like let's say
you get a you know a or him or Colston Loveland, right,

(01:05:10):
and you get like a first next year and like
an Evan Ingram or something like that, Like, I don't
hate that deal. I still keep my points for position.
I still get a first round pick next year, which
I could take the top tight end next year, you know.
Like That's the thing in tight end world, is like
if you spend a first on a tight end, you're
getting the top guy. Brock Bauers went in most Dynasty

(01:05:31):
dress in the second half of the first round because
people are gonna pray, especially in a in a realm
where it's supposed to be a quarterback heavy draft next year,
like you're gonna get those players right, like you're you're
gonna get the top tight end early. So that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Twenty twenty six tight end class is rough.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
It is we rough.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
We thought the same thing about this tight end class
as well, but then like we just kind of what
do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Max Clark? Is that number one?

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
I don't know. I'm just saying we thought the same
thing about this tight end class, and it wasn't until
like late in November December we started talking about warning
it could change. People could I'm gonna put it on
your map.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Lou Cosse Blue costs ole miss.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
I thought I thought it was a razorback right, a
bit from Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
He started as a razorback.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I think the only hype I've heard like mix Clark
from my house state.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
He's gonna be dropping high maybe your first late first,
early second.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Kem Warren block and Ken Warren block in line.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Like a big, big ten line.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, better than a big ten slot play quarterback running back. Uh,
better than all conference athletes. It's a fair point. By
the way, if you're tuned in still, I appreciate you.
We are ten past the hour. Thanks for the support.
Hit the like, but hit the subscribe my people, You're awesome. Look,

(01:06:57):
we've got a round this thing out because I know
both of these guys I think are on East Coast time,
which means it is well past their bedtime hour. Most
likely some of us are crazy, but you know, I
might live in that world. But yeah, exactly the y'all,
as I say, is no real quick. I just want

(01:07:22):
to go around. Joe will go Joe disco slease. I
want you to just share with the audience one balancing
principle that you live by in Dynasty to try to
continue winding winning year over year. It can be in short,
it can be essentially a theme to live by. Right,

(01:07:44):
But like, what is that like? If you can leave
the audience right now, it's one thing left over from
this show to get to help them win year after
year after year. What's that? What's that that burbage of truth?
Go ahead? You look like you're in deep thought.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I would just say that if a player is being
valued extremely higher than what they are in real life, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Probably time to sell. Yeah, that's the great So like Justin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Field's great Fantasy Quarterback When you saw him have his
breakout season. You were probably like, I'm set for the
rest of my life as long as he's playing quarterback,
pretty much out of the league if he doesn't get
it done next year. And with the Jets, so the
fantasy value and the real value they have to have
some correlation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I'm a sale on fields.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
That's a good take. I would say, like you gotta say,
there's a player out there that you know, you really
like and you really want, and you you really want
on your roster and you really want on your team.
Kind of treat it like you know, uh, that girl
that's in a relationship with a guy that you absolutely hate, right,

(01:09:00):
treat it like that, because we know that that guy
is gonna screw up and mess it up somehow, right,
whether it be you know, like just putting him on
the bench or investing in like another girl at the
same time with the same pas. It just it doesn't
it just doesn't work out. So I would, I would,
I would just be ready to go in and swoop

(01:09:21):
in and you know, save the day when you know
he messes up and it's an all time low and
you just got to be the hero in the movie
and just go rescue that chick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Disco got the boom box and the who He's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Like, I'm a romantic man, So let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Are you trying to rescue Kyle Pitts right now?

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Hell no, Hell no, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Know I was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
He's drafting before me in Bastball all year long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Hell yeah, it's gonna be the tight end five in
Pittsburgh this year.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Just wait for it. Donald Washington nowhere they love Darnell
washing It.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
That's their sixth offensive line, seven.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Smaller than me, honestly.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
So one thing the key that I would say that
I use for Dynasty that it took me even time
to learn this over time is patience. Patients, patients, patients.
Everyone is about winning now, everyone is about to trade.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Get it done now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
And the minute you have them on that hook, dude,
you reallym in as slow as you can. They make
more mistakes as the counters come over and over and over.
And I've just beaten this to a drum recently.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
No. I love that too, man. This is great advice
from the crew. Look, you know, here's the thing. My
my biggest thing that I can tell you in Dynasty
is like do your research, Like do your player evaluation
and buy your folks right, like, and I say that, like,
you know, there is playing the market, there is looking

(01:10:54):
at these things, you know, but you know, build your team.
Like if you're gonna play Dynasty, got to be invested, right,
you got to be consistent, You gotta be invested. You
got to continue to put energy into it. You know
this sleazy? I mean from I play. I was in
a league that I didn't even play in with you
for like two weeks, and in the first four rounds

(01:11:16):
of the rookie Draft, probably over four hundred trades sent
like ridiculous, a number of like everybody's always like slaves.
You take you'd send the trade and you take it away.
You send it and you take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You know, I get everything that he just said he
was doing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
No, it wasn't just you, it was other people too.
You know, this goes getting phone calls going like a
holy hate this, you know, the paying roles and the trades,
and you know it's like but you know it's part
of it. Like if you want to build a good team,
you got like I promise you the reason we play
Dynasty is because there's this like somewhere inside of us,

(01:11:55):
there's this ground where we want to be a GM,
like we want to build a team, we want to
run it team because we think we can do it better,
you know, from from our our kitchen or our living
rooms on the Calgary you know, and exactly right, see
that that burbage right but like you know, the bilo,

(01:12:16):
the sell high, the work in the market, like you
gotta be on and be involved, right, work those deals.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Oh, if you're playing dynasty, not so you're dead in
the water.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
And then don't be scared to make a move, Like,
don't be scared to make a move, because when everybody
else is going, there's no way I would trade this person.
The people that win year after year are the ones
trading them. They're getting the young asset that's going to
replace them for the next four years plus. I'm just
telling you it's it's how it works. So, uh, you know,

(01:12:48):
we hope you win. We hope you continue to win.
I hope you win every freaking year. Appreciate you tuning in.
Uh guys, just one more time, sleave start us off
and them go disco. So let the let these people
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you have a YouTube channel where they can subscribe, we

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wanted to follow you. Uh. You guys are are great
people and great content creators.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
So first of all, thanks for having me on Man.
First time here, come back anytime. We can sit here
and talk topics all day, go way over time. It's terrible.
You can find me at sleeves bomb across every single platform.

Speaker 7 (01:13:27):
My mind is a weapon fantasy football. You can find
me on Disco show, you can find him on my show.
We're just like you, two guys at the top or
go to everything. We would come to shows together. You
like that and uh yeah, great, great show, guys. My
ears plugged.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Yeah, I don't know if you're like just getting possessed
right now. It's getting dark in your room. It's it's
weird sles. Some stock. We almost like came into in
with like our tuxedos and said like we're here to
f things up, like from from the Super Brothers. Yes,
I'm glad you got that. I love it. Big draft

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energy pretty much everywhere. We're live Monday to Friday at
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coming on, love chopping up with you guys. I'm still
super impressed that Joe like like that costume thirty six

(01:14:29):
seconds like the mask.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Just that's my typical time for most things.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
This is just like a whole like I just learned
something completely new about you that you have costumes on deck,
which is something I don't have access to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Keep the guns hot, baby, and the beer bats of course.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
When he when when a guy has that many pairs
of sneakers, you you can only imagine what his closet
looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
That is a nice sneaker collection. Thanks man, I like it,
I think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Let them know where can they find you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter j O f
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That's my cup of tea. So gonna be getting into
some rankings and strategy they're coming soon, so ready to

(01:15:28):
tear it up and third round reversals officially back. So
anybody who explained about that you are soft YEP, I
like it. I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I hate it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
No, it's okay, I'll deal. I I did claim before
the announcement. I claimed my pick at the one three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
So uh, you got to get in the chat, bro,
I'll get in.

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