FPF 01-25-25 The One About The Perfect Murder

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Front Ports Forensics. Uh, this is our second show up
twenty twenty five, our first show under our new returning president,
which is good for the comedy and I'm happy about it,

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thank God. And to celebrate, we are in the kitchen
instead of the front porch doing some baking.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Here's gonna say, I bake for the tiny tyrant because
she wanted certain stuff.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
She's gonna eat basically every muffin.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
That I have made, because the last time that I
made muffins, I said that they were like she could
take them to school and they would be for her
friends too. And she comes back She's like, I ate
ten muffins today, said to your friends, what do they think?

Speaker 6 (04:30):
She's like, they didn't get any?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, see ever all of them.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So apparently these muffins, or at least the strawberry ones,
are gonna stay at home for her. But I am
making chocolate chip ones too.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So but this episode tonight is gonna be a little different.
We're trying some new things, not just serial killers, not
just mass murders and whatnots Tonight we're talking about more
conversational form.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
And this is how Daniel, and this is You're gonna
get a glimpse into our lives at this point, because
this is what we do almost like on a daily basis,
pretty much as we just have these conversations. Yeah, I'm

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gonna say hypothetical, like, we need to give the disclaimer here.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
We are not we're not giving advice.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
We are not confessing to a single thing, So we
need to make that known.

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Actually, actually we're hang on, let me cover bees, let
me cover bases here. The following program in no way
reflects on any past, former, future, actual, current, any other
life altering events. We are not condoning in any way,
shape or form any type of murder, homicide, et cetera.
And the views of these hosts do not necessarily reflect

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those of kaylorin Radio dot Com.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yep that covers it all. Tonight's episode is titled the
One about the Perfect Murder. We of course are fans
of off things true crime and Dexter is one of
our favorite shows.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mean, I have the DVD set, like, we love
this show.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
But we figured tonight we would talk about if we
were to do it, kind of into the crime and
debt theme of O. J. Simpson with his tell All
book about if I did it. We thought, Okay, how
would we get away with the perfect crime? What would
we do differently? And I, as your co host, bumps
dot ken, I have my own ideas and your host

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is with the most is here the domestic goddess herself,
Bumps dot Barbie is probably gonna be the one who
does the majority of the talking tonight. I'm just going
to kind of god the ship.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So yeah, and we do like to use a dexter
and everything, because that's actually one of the There actually
is a true case right here where we live, about
three miles from our house. There were human remains found
and everything. And I sent the news broadcasts to Daniel

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the end of the day when it happened, and the
only thing he sent back in all calves is what
did you do? So, in my defense, he was never
meant to be found.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, right down the road there was somebody's pet dog
found some human some bones that looked suspicious, and so
the family called the police in and turns out that
it was a human bomb. Uh. So they sent it
off to get tested to find out some DNA information held.

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It was that kind of stuff, And they've searched with
like four different counties in the area with their cadaver
dogs and all that they searched for several weeks.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I went to the grocery store just what two
three days ago, and I actually called him. I was like,
they've got the canine units and everything up here up
the road because I literally drove like in between the
cob cars and the canine unit trucks and everything. So
it's like they've got cadaver dogs up here, So they
wouldn't do that if it wasn't human.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
So I called the sheriff's apartment today and spoke with
them about it, and they said they're still waiting on
the results from the bomb to see they do any
kind of identification, and they haven't found any other remains
or the cadaver dogs where they were find any other remains,
so they don't know if there's a burial spot or

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if this was a bomb that one of the dog
had found and drugged from miles and miles away.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I say, we have no idea that this is even
a homicide.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, we don't know. It'd be something that now.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
That also said there are rumors because there is a
convicted pedophile that lives on that road and he has
turned up missing. He has an active warn out for
his arrest and nobody knows where he is. Nobody knows
where he is gone, so kind of rumors up here
in the community or somebody took things into their own hands.

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But at the same time, this guy could have just
fled to a void arrest. I mean, we have no
idea they're they're playing this very tight lipt, very close
to the vest.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
But it does bring up like the whole idea.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Of vigilanti justice, which is why we mentioned Dexter before,
because that I think would be the only circumstances where
hypothetically either one of us would act on something.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
No, I mean protect to protect the family. Obviously that's
not what Dester was doing.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, I mean he did do stuff to protect himself
in his family, but with in his code.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
But there's better choices in my opinion. You know who's
that guy we talked about that shot the Gary plashy, Yeah,
I think he should be.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
But again, that's vigilanti justice, that's what is doing so
but that's the same thing just about home.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
But different circumstances. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Dexter's first episode one was him going after a pedophile
so I mean that does kind of apply. That would
be vigilanti justice, and that, to me is the only
thing that would either that or self defense. That is
the only circumstances where I could see myself taking another
life revenge. Okay, yeah, revenge probably would work too.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
But anyways, we're gonna have another show later on about
vigilantis and vigilanti justice. There's a few of them that's
pretty well known. There's some smaller ones that aren't quite
as well known that I think are still interested. And
it's a good moral discussion too, because.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I mean, right to take a law into your murder.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Is still murder. Seft defense is completely different, but vigilanteism
is still basically.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Her blooded murder.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Like you have planned this out, like you know exactly
what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, that is first degree capital
murder that you're doing, even if you believe it's right.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely some sticky waters, you know, deep
waters that you get into.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, but this one mainly, and we I mean we
brought up this local case and everything because that's what
got me and him talking about like what we would
do in that situation, Like this was a man that
had conviction so this one for pedophilia. He would show

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up on people's porches and everything. He showed up on
the porch of a pregnant woman asking had she miscarried.
He did that twice in one day.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, we're assuming this is those remains may be connected.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean, that's again, this guy probably could have just
fled to avoid the arrest because.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
He's got a worn out Yeah, but she's also kind
of hopeful too.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
I am hopeful because that is entirely too close to home.
So like, I'm sorry, Like I'm not going to feel
bad if that's if that turns out to be his remains.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
So for the rest of this conversation, I think we're
going to get to kind of stay away from any
specifics as far as cases go, and just kind of
talking broad general hypotheticals. And again, if anything we talk
about resembles a person and real life, whether living or dead,
that's not our intention. It's just coincidental. I said.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
This is kind of our little.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
What is it, the thought project, you know that we
kind of sometimes do while I'm cooking or while I'm baking,
or just sitting around or something like.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
This is just kind of what we do.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Mm. Hmm.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
So Daniels, like I said, he's gonna take the lead on.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
This as I am baking, but I am going to
walk through because we're doing this entire episode because Andrew
is convinced that I am a closet and serial killer.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And I will say point of point of order, point
of order, closeted, you say close, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Nothing that means that I'm not out.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
There's there's no closet in here.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
The uh So, if you got some friends or family
or whatever you might think might be interested in this,
tell them to lie in and join in. And I
think it'd be fun conversation starter for y'all too.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's say, we've got feeds up on both my ex
and my Facebook and everything, so we're trying to watch
comments because this will this is more of a broadstrokes
just discussion, like we're all just having fun. So if
y'all have questions for either one of us or anything
like that, or if you want to make a point
trying to stump me on something like I'm all in.

(14:21):
I was actually telling people this earlier. Why y'all come
try to stump me? Mm hm, Candelect you.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Take over because I'm about to pull this stuff out
of the oven.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
So we've studied a lot of serial killers, well you know,
things like that, specifically who get caught, and there's usually
red flags as far as how they how they started
going downhill, getting sloppier or whatnot and getting caught. Some

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of them just pure happenstance, pure luck, if you will.
But there are some things that we've learned. I guess
look over you know, over the years of watching these
and bring these stories about things that you to do
and not to do. And again this is not any advice,

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this is his observation. And I've noticed that some of
the main things, and one of the ones that makes
the most sense to start with is the dark crap
where you eat. Okay, so you're a victim if you
don't have a pre existing what's the word, you know,

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if you're not taking a vengeance out on a certain person,
you just have that beast I just don't.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Like them, or I have this urge.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
You just got that that beast you need to feed
where you just some of these serial killers just has
that in on compulsion. They have this compulsion in them
to to take that next step and to kill the
victim actually does make a big difference. It does matter. Again,

(16:11):
most murders, when it comes to most serial murders like
that aren't something that is personals.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Sometimes the first victim is someone that the killer knows.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
That's kind of how they wet their feet, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, but I'm saying the successful and serial killers don't
don't go down that route. That's where I'm going with this.
So your victim pool has to be pretty deep. You
can't have a shallow victim pool because if you're hunting
too close to home, you're going to run out of prey.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
And that's the thing with police procedurals.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
You always see like when somebody dies, the first people
they go to are immediate family, just that circle, and
then from there it winds out they'll go for immediate
family to like close friends and family, and then they'll
branch out from there.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
So I would say, I mean, rule number one, at.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Least if you go with dexters, don't get caught, which
is I mean common sense, like you don't want to
get caught if you're this type of person and you're
doing this, and the way the best way to not
get caught is to minimize your forensic footprint. So first off,
you cannot go after somebody that you personally know.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Because that's like I said, that's textbook police work. That's
really good start.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, it starts very very close to that person,
and then that ripple effect just widens out as they go.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, and especially for the the person who is a
serial killer or someone who is you know, feeding that compulsion,
whether it be sexual or and murder itself sometimes both.

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Like I said, you can't crap for you eat. You
have to go outside and look for people who won't
draw that suspicion.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, you're gonna do it, go outside of the circle
of people that you know. I've even always said this part,
and you can ask Daniel, because this is also very
weird for somebody to.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Think about if I were to do it, if.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I were that type of person that had that type
of compulsion, I'm even going to go out of state.
I'm going to spread this across multiple jurisdictions, Like one
is not going to be somebody I know. And two
every time I do it, every time that compulsion takes hold.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
And I do it again and again.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
If we're talking serial murder, it's not ever going to
be in the same jurisdiction twice.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, I know there's some famous ones, famous sort and
I want to say famous but popular. I guess that
we haven't coverage yet. But there are some killers, especially
up in the northeast of what was that the I'm
drawing a blank right now, but he actually spread his
body parts across a couple of states in several counties.

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For that reason, it's just spread out the.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
There also is a problem doing that too, because they're
going to tie those body parts back to a specific person,
and they will then tie that person either through DNA
or other forensic evidence like the idental records and whatnot,
forensic ontology. They're going to tie that back to a
specific person. Then they're going to go to where that

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person is from, and that's where that pool goes out from.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
That's where that ripple effect goes out from.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Well, like I said, step one is your victim, your
your prey pool. Your choice is a victim.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
You have to choose wisely if you want.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
To get away with it. So you know, we see
in you know that more thank you infamous and notorious
killers that have made that's got high body count or
success rate. They have victims that are similar because they're

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seeing that compulsion, but also they picked from a group
of people that can be easily missed. That people aren't victims.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
Of opportunity is what they call them.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like your prostitutes, your runaways, anybody like that that does
not have like a strong family connection or a strong
even like career connection. Like somebody is going to miss
this person, so they usually don't target them.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, so like homeless would be a.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Good homeless prostitutes, the runaways, all of them.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
So that would be step one, is to find the
victim pool that is uh readily available, that is deep,
and that will be easily looked over. You don't want
to get close to your fam you know, you know,
a family member, someone close to you, uh neighbor type issues.

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You have to be very specific with with who you're
looking for.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Say you've got with your neighbors when they die, the
first person the cops are going to look at is
you right?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
And and another thing? So that what say, we got
our we got our victim pool picked. We're going to
choose homeless folks, right, so that's who will go after us.
We'll target people that will fall through the crats easily.
So you've got your victim picked out, you're ready to

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feed your compulsion. What's your next step.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
You have to follow them.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
You have to learn their patterns and everything so that
you can pick the opportune time to grab them. Basically,
then nobody's gonna notice because you do not want to
draw attention to yourself. I mean rule number one, do
not get caught. Reduced your forensic footprint like you always
hear like the Left talking about reducing your carbon footprint. Yes,

(22:20):
stalking one hundred percent, that's exactly what that is.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
You stalk your victim. You stalk your prey.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Like think of yourself as like the lion stalking the
gazelle or something. You're going to figure out when they
are at their weakest and that's when you strike.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Now, that's why I was saying about the hunter looks
for his prey. You know, you gotta be you gotta
be specific with who you're looking for. You can't just
grab someone that's, oh, Jimmy at work pissed me off,
so I'm gonna take Jimmy out. So you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Say, you need to have a victim of mind that
if you're a serious that fits, there is a victim
profile as well as the killer profile. Like we always
talk about profiling the killer, you can do that with
the victims too.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
It's called victimology. Someone who's up here.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Exactly victimology is what is, Yes, I love you and Pam,
you get me.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
But yes, that's exactly what that is.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You could profile your victims too, so you figure out,
like with Ted Bundy, like these women all looked very similar,
kind of came from similar backgrounds, Like he targeted them
in the same exact way every single time because witnesses
actually saw him a few times doing it.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
That's how we get the Buffalo Bill.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Character from Silence of the Lambs, where he had like
the fake cast on his arm and was asking the
woman for help. Because that's what Ted Bundy did. He
would play off of a woman's sense of like nurturing,
Like we instinctively want to help. That's just part of
who we are as women, and that's just female nature,

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I think, and Ted Bunny knew that he played on that.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think a lot of more men have that nature too,
wanting to lend a hand of help as well. But
I think that plays into the difference in physiology between
men and women, just the way we're built too. Men
tend to be a much harder target because we can
fight back more physically generally than a woman can.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But I think most of the time, like the women
are chosen because we will ignore our instincts in order
to protect and help.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, I mean men do too sometimes.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, but it's not as frisonally, And I'm not saying
this in any kind of sexist way whatsoever. It's just
that this is how human traffickers are working.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
What they're doing is they're using small children now pretending
they're loss, pretending and they need help.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Finding the mommy and daddy.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So we women, we go to them. That's the bait
for us. We will ignore everything in us that's saying, hey,
something about this is not right, you know, And we
see a child in need, and so we just instinctively
go to them. And then the people who are using
that child and everything that are surrounding us, we don't

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even notice until it's too late. Right, So there is
that instinct in women that I think is stronger than
there is in men.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
So do you think women tend to make easier, more
readily available victims. So you're a homeless pool would be
greatly removed, you know, brought down, because there's much more
homeless men than women.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
No, you do see a lot of victimization of homeless
men and everything too, But at the same time, their
instincts are adult because there's usually a lot of substance
to use. Problems they go along with homelessness, so they're.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Not I'm just talking about this, this hypothetical serial killer
picking their victims. Maybe a homeless a homeless account.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Our hypothetical serial killer character.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So it would be more of a yeah, if it's female,
that brings out a whole different list of victims as well.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So I say, the victimology tells you a lot about
the perpetrator too, So if he's targeting, like say, homeless men,
it's going to be.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
A very different perpetrator than the Ted Bundys of the world.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So again we would have to first establish our hypothetical
killer now and what he is going for he or she.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Women don't tend.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
The serial killers as often as men, but that's not
unhommon either, Like it's not nearly as rare as people
think it is. So for that for the victimology to apply,
we have to first establish our character.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I think women serial killers start with killing the
spirit of the men they're with first and then they
go from there. No, dear, so we got our victimhood.
You got to have far you know, not too close
to home, someone who can be missed easily and not
looked for, and someone that quite honestly, the police really

(27:39):
won't put much much effort into. So now you got
your victim, why are we going to do what happens next?
Do you have a kill of the same way every time?
Which we see a lot of that now, especially in
Dexter we mentioned him earlier. Dexter makes his elaborate kill room.
He has this tradition that he is every time where

(28:01):
he kills him ever a certain way, and he takes
his s trophy every time on TV. That's really cool
to watch.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, there, I actually have a lot of takeaways from,
Like we watched Dexter repeatedly because I've watched shows, so
another one of my comfort shows.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's one of the few shows I will rewatch. So Dexter, on.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
The other hand, like he's kind of where I got
this reduced your forensic footprint thing because he was a
blood spatter analyst. He worked in forensics, like he would
be the go to that's it. Like, yes, the kill
room and everything with all the plastic everywhere, really good
start in my mind. But the fact that, like he

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has his little uniform that he wears basically, and I
think that he has like kind of the same one
that's very cheap, very generic and everything, so he can
dispose of it very easily afterwards. But at the same time,
he's still going to shed hairs, he's gonna shed skin cells.
He's not wearing anything to prevent.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
This, yea, and no matter.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, Like in real life,
all of these different things are going to happen.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
He sneaks up.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
On his victims and disables him with that medication, that drug,
which is good because then they can't fight back. They
can't bite, they can't scratch, they can't leave any kind
of evidence on you unless they see you coming first.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
So I mean, all that's well and good, but at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Like me, like if I'm gonna go to that great
length not to leave anything behind, I'm telling you right now,
I'm going with some kind of like hazmat suit. I'm
going with something you know, made out of anyl that
even if I shed hairs, it's gonna be contained within
that suit. They cannot scratch me, they cannot bite me

(29:57):
when I touch them, even with gloves on or whatever.
I'm not sure at anything onto this body, sweat, any
kind of bodily fluid like, it's all going to be
contained within this suit.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Really uncomfortable, really unwildy. But if you don't want to
leave anything behind, you have to start.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
With yourself, so you're you would have a kill room
where you can control all that.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's where I would take them, like after disabling them.
But if because we've seen that in the show and everything,
where somebody saw him coming and they fought him, you know,
they saw him like everything, maybe even wear a mask,
but especially if you work with the police and everything.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
But for me, as a person who.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Does not work with the police, I think I have
a fairly generic look like unless they can identify the
tattoos that I have, probably going to look like a
lot of other women in our community and around that
area where I found them, because again I'm going outside
of where I live at this point.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
That's what I'm saying. If you, if you're gonna go
outside of where you live find your victim, then you
have to bring them all the way back to your
hub to do your deed.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I would have.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
That's a lot of that's a lot of transportation and
moving farst.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
I'm not transporting anything either.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Then you're gonna take your killer room with you.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
You just have a way to do it.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like if I'm already planning to have like those containment
suits and everything. Wherever I take them from, I'm going
to have someplace closed that I don't have to put
them in a car, So that way no skin cells,
no hair, no fluids, no nothing, or in my car

(31:48):
or in any car that I have rented using.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Even a fake ide, Like I'm just not leaving that trail.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Wherever I grab them from is going to be just
about where they die.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Right, So if you're going to go to hal with
that much trouble and all that, then your stalking is
going to have to take basically months of set up
time extraordinarily, And say you go you find your victim
in Dallas, Texas, You're gonna have to find a room
that you can sterilize close enough to your person that

(32:26):
you can get them there. Don your suit, do your
d so you're going to get them into a a
place that is private in your suit, that.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Would be the best way to do it. We're talking hypothetically.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Here, so ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, BumpStop
Barbie will never be a serial killer because she's too
about it. She will never get caught. But in reality,
in the real world, she can never make all this.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Would this really there really is no feasible way to
do that because if I'm going to focus on somebody
that wouldn't be missed or something, if I'm gonna go homeless,
if I'm going to go prostitutes or something, really and.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Truly, the best way to do that is unless.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I can find them in an alley like that they
travel down all the time, that is not.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Well traveled, that there, you know, is kind of unlit.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
No security cameras, because you got to think about that too.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
A lot of places now have.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Security cameras basically everywhere, so you have to scope out
where they are, where you're going to pick them up from, Like,
you have to think about all of these things.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
So you've done your deal in your clean room, on
your converted box truck, whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
That I'm going to go outdoors.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
What are you going to do with the body afterwards?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Probably just leave it because if it's outdoors, I've left
nothing behind.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
The elements are gonna take care of any kind of
trace ivness that might be.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
So basically, you're going to go to different cities once
a year on Halloween in your suit so you can
blend in and then do your deed somewhere, because that's the.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Most Halloween sea obvious.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I wouldn't even any other time you're wearing a suit
like that, You're gonna get busted immediately. You're gonna draw
suspicions unless you track my.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Victim very well. I know exactly where they're gonna be
at any given moment, and I know that that place
is on super miles.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Nobody's gonna see anything.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Like I will reduce the risk of witnesses to the
best of my ability.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
The Gillie suit that happ one of them. So you're
going to do it outdoors and just leave the body
where it is. That way you get a quick clean escape.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I say there will be no They wouldn't look for
anything to transport a body, so they're not looking for
any kind of vehicle or anything else. You leave it
out in the elements too, Like I would even look
at weather patterns. I would pick an eye where it's
expected to rain, because that's going to wash away a
whole bunch of stuff. Like I'm telling you when I go,

(35:17):
like when my OCD kind of comes in hand, theoretically
for all of this, because every single thing, down to
the minutest detail, I will consider.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean, if you're doing this is called the
perfect murder. So we're assuming that all this would actually
work out. So why not do this way? I know,
we said homeless and stuff like that, prosecute whatever like that.
If you choose the prostitute top roll, at least you
could get them, they'd be more willing to come with
you and get you away from those places.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, I mean, okay, for the homeless or.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
For you're walking.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Homeless, like, offer them a meal, offer them a shower,
offer them shelter, get them.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Hey, come follow me back to my car for a prostitute.
Even easier.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Here's one hundred bucks right here, come back to my car.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I think theoretic, hypothetically that would make better you know,
logistical sense. That makes better logistical sense is to be
able to get them into a vehicle, so you can
get them away from the area, an area that you've
already chosen that you know you can control, because once
they're in the vehicle, you pretty much got them where

(36:40):
you want. And what I would do, then, I would
make a suggestion of your vehicle will be something very
generic Toyota Corolla, you know at the time, the Nissan Ultimate.
You know, those kind of cars that are very very
genetic and you know you can see them anywhere. Like

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Bundy's was a spots waging Beetle, which is very popular.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
It's a one which apparently.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I would do. I think the most popular colors
now is like silver and white, so there's something on
those lines. A van is your easiest answer, but that's
people will remember a van.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
We notice van around here because that's.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Just kind of the So you know, you would have
a very nondescript vehic the car, something that you know
you can change the plates out on pretty easily be
the easiest sense, and then get them into the vehicle
and get them to the place that you've predetermined to

(37:45):
be your best spot. That's what I would think.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Would you rent the.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Car, No, I would not rent the car. I would
own the car, and I would change the tires out
on that car regularly. Okay, she's gonna explain to me
why that's about idea, But I think it's better than
renting a car.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Really good start.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
But as long as like you buy the insurance on
a rental car and everything, they detail the crap out
of these things when you return them.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
They're supposed to. But I can't control that.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
That's true, that is something out of your control.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I've rented cars before, I had cigarette butts under the seats,
So I not trusting.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So hypothetically are thinking that this rental company is going
to do their job, that they are going to detail
this car, they are going to clean it, they're going
to vacuum it everything that they can before they rent
it out to somebody else.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
But you also know how hard it is to make
sure you get everything. Are you going to trust the
rental company a guy who's getting paid nine dollars an hour?
I'm not okay, So I would own the car. And again,
if you got Anne descript Silver nineteen ninety eight Nissan
Ultima that is paid for so all you've got liability insurance,

(39:02):
you swap the tags out with a local vehicle. Once
you get to whatever city you're in, your two states away,
you do your deed, you drive back to the next state,
swap your plates back, go back home. They're not going
to have somebody. Well, we got somebody killed in Dallas, Texas.
They was driving silver or what ultima. Let's go to Mobile,

(39:24):
Alabama and see this guy.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Has got to potential witnesses there.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Again buried non a stript car. You'll see a million
of them if you pay attention.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
But still, somebody somewhere is going to be interviewed. Did
see somebody like you know, trying to do all this
other stuff? Like somebody somewhere we'll see something if.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
You are if you are good enough to pick a
hot spot in the woods to hide your body and
to your deed, and you can find a spot that
you can swap a play that on.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Now, I mean the woods and everything the wilderness somewhere
like that excellent spot in general, just because you have
all of the potential animals and everything that.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Will carry off parts of the body.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
They will disperse of that body for you, you.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Know, but like I still think it would make the
disposal is fine I think people get too caught up
in the disposal part. The animals in the woods do amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, disposal is important, which I think is why it's
never going to be done in a room somewhere.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
It's never going to be done in any kind of
confined space.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
The kill and the disposal will all be done outdoors
because there's just so many ways that any kind of
trace evidence, yeah, will be.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Negligible. Also, a good spot is desert as well, because
of the out there and the sand is very abrasive.
It takes care of your body is pretty quickly. So again,
so you're pray pool is important, Uh, Your I would.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Say, yeah, it all starts with your victimology.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, and then you've got to pick your way of
collecting that pray. And we've got varying degrees of how
you we want to go about that.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I think the luring them into your own vehicle is
the best way to go. Honestly, that seems to have
worked well in the past. Look at Bundy, Look at Bundy.
Look at what's the other guy's names? I like so much?

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Look at Zodiac. Zodiac never got caught. Victim algy was.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
All different mode of murder was always different.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
That's why I was.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Always in a public splot. He always wore a mask
and everything, never.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Left anything behind.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
There are ways to do this, but all the people
you're mentioning all got caught.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
The next thing would have to be would be the
way of of doing it how you would like you taught.
You just mentioned Zodiac, your m O, your modus lorette.
You just mentioned Zodiac. Where he used different weapons, he
used different ways of doing it, but he also did
everybody got physical that much with them either, which I

(42:44):
think is a key other than the other than the Stavvings.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
It was all very distance.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
But I'm even gonna say, don't ever use a gun
ballistics not your buddy these days.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, that's another thing. That's another thing too. I was
gonna mention in the next hour, is there was a
reason the seventies and eighties was the how the heyday
of Sillers. Because now you carry around the tracking device
on your car, on your in your phone, in your
I mean, is there where you go you're being tracked

(43:20):
right now? So but that when we got into second hour,
it's gonna kind of bring that up. It's about you know,
it's a new age. Now, how we would go about
doing it?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I say, we're no longer in the seventies, So as
using the techniques, there are some techniques at work. Like
I said, with Zodiac, the victimology was all over the place.
I mean, he did not have any kind of set
type of victim. No, he didn't even like kill people the.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Same way every time. And we've talked about this before.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Like his ciphers that he always sent him, I don't
think anybody's ever gon us all of it because I
think it's something very specific to him. Their symbols mean
something only to him.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Well, I think this last group swear up down they
when you have his ciphers, the Zodiac ciphers and you
and you, you have these people, says all we've cracked
the code. This is what it says. They can say,
they can say anything they want to, and then we're
just supposed to set that's what it was.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Well, they're going off of ciphers and were already decoded.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
But again to Zodiac, I think that each of those
symbols meant something.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Specific to exactly. That's what I said.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Nobody's ever going to figure it out out.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
That's what I'm saying that without a key, which there
is not one these people that says, oh I cracked it.
This is what do his letter said. I don't believe it.
I think that's what they wanted to say. And the
way they the way they have a sign these symbols

(45:01):
meaning and write it out, it makes sense. It looks good.
I get it. But yeah, based on other ciphers out
the fulling from But I mean if that's the if
that's what we're going to trust, then heck I could
sit down and say write something out and say, well,
this is what it means based on these ciphers. And

(45:22):
I have no training at all. So I don't think
we'll ever get the truth about what exactly Zodiac was
saying short.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Of any kind of DNA evidence. I don't think we're
ever going to figure out who he was. I think
that that is going to be still. I mean it
is today, and I think it's still always going to
be one of the.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Most famous unsold cases.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Ever. I don't think, well, well, I think the way
we ever find it out it's going to be through
a family member to find some sort of memorability. Yeah, well,
I'm thinking like it's going to be a family member
because I think Zodiac to do it.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Yeah, I mean, that'll be another episode that we do.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
We have to do Zodiac at some point. So I
think that a family member at some point is going
to stumble across some sort of trophy or something, some
sort of evidence that might lead to who Zodiac was.
But that's if that ever happens. I think that's the
only way's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, we both are convinced that Zodiac is dead. I
think that's the only way somebody like that will stop.
I don't think he's under arrest for another crime. I
don't think he's in prison anywhere, because that's somebody that
needed the attention, like thrive on the attention and everything.

(46:41):
That's why he taunted the police and you know, sent
the ciphers to the media and everything.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Someone like that doesn't stop.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
If he was in prison, we'd know about it because
he wouldn't be able to shut up about it, right,
he would finally say, look, this is me.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
I can prove that it's me because he wants to notoriety.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, he wouldn't have let send those letters if you didn't. Yeah,
so I think you would eventually continue to kill, or
he would just outright to autocrat.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
If he knew he was in for life, He's just
gonna come out, Hey I'm the Soviet.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yep, I agree. So, but that's another.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Thing, pride arians and everything that's gonna get you caught
every time.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Right, So what would so again, you're taking on your
take of what a perfect crime would be. So just
kind of give an overview and wrap up what you
think it would be, starting from the victim to the
way you would do it to where you would do it,
all the way through real quick, from.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Just the victimology.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Don't ever go with somebody if I'm a complete stranger,
preferably and like maybe a completely different state that you
live in, a victim of opportunity, somebody that is not
going to be missed, somebody they're really not going to
look into, because hey.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
These people die all the time. Are they go miss
him all the time? You know, we have bigger things
to worry about.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You want that to be the mentality of the cops there.
If you're gonna be a cereal about it, don't ever
do it the same way twice again. Everything to minimize
your forensic footsteps, No buttons, ballistics are not your friend,

(48:24):
especially nowadays, Like we're thinking of this and like the
today's day and age, you need to think of the science,
the DNA science, the ballistic science, everything that goes into this.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Well, so you're saying, like a bladed instrument, blades.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Are actually probably even your best bet because there's so
many types of like serrated blades or smooth blades, like
it would be hard to match it to a weapon
unless they actually.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Like have caught you and they're comparing it to something
that was.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
In your position.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Well, they can also they can tell white kind of blade.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
Yeah, I mean, don't be able to tell if it's
serrated or not.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
But until they have an actual like suspected weapon to
compare it to, no.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
They cannot air it down.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
They can just say it's serratedly right now with ropes
and everything, because of the fibers in the ropes and
stuff like that, they can actually narrow it down to
where the rope was manufactured, where that batch was sold at.
Like you you just I would say a blade probably

(49:32):
is your best bet, either that or a manual strangulation.
And you better hope that you're wearing some kind of
protective years so you don't spread like your everything, real cells,
hair cells, they don't get anything under their fingernails.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Well, it's gonna be, like I said, it'll be very hard.
Also strangulation because it's not like you see in the movies.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
Oh yeah, and oh tell them about how annoyed I.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Get with that.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
She gets very annoyed in it because most times you
see in a movie they don't hold near long enough.
They'll just pass out.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I say, once the person goes limp, they stop and
I'm like, dude, they just passed out, is all that happened?
Keep going.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
She gets very adamant about that. But like the in
the defense of the movies, they kind of have to
cut it short because you don't want to see somebody
in that position in a movie, an action movie, for
eight or nine minutes, which is normally thought it would
take somewhere along those lines.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
If you want to be sure, yeah, please.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
So see Okay, I will say this like, Daniel's not
ever going to cheat on me or do anything like that,
because one, he loves us and he doesn't want to
blow up our family.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
But two I think he's a little bit afraid.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Of me, probably a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Two I got two words, shopping.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
List, the shopping list. This. So as far as the victim,
you got it. You want the different every time, different victims,
even you do more random style and the victims not

(51:16):
a blind every time or not necessarily don't want.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Any connection to any victims, like you don't want them
to say, well, they've all been prostituted.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
So you don't want to do a woman every time.
You don't want to do you know, mix up that
mix up your would you mix up? And my I
would like you said, don't use a gun, but I
would change up the weapon every time. It's not every time,
but more often than not as well.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I mean, if you're wearing protective year and everything,
you can go from like a blade to manual strangulation
or something, or I mean, okay, a fishing line because
there's no fibers to connect back to a fishing line,
just don't leave it behind because they can also take
that at and say, okay, well you know we've got
this fishing line that was left with the body. They

(52:05):
can actually tie that then to the batch and everything
the brand that was made.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
And so you're thinking that for the perfect scenario would
be no dismemberment, no kind of raping of the bodies,
nothing like that.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
It would just be talking me personally, like I've let's.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Not say you personally. Let's say this hypothetical person who's
doing these killings. If you're if you want your best
bed at getting away with it scott free, would you
don't want to spend a lot of time with the body?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
No, you don't limit your time. That limits your forensic footprint. Yes,
I mean that's less time that you have to leave
something behind, even accidentally.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Just well we have on the chat here your aunt
pamps is a knife or blade if your weapon of choice,
be sure to scrub all those little notes and cranies.
And I was going to mention that as well. If
it's going to be done up close to the personal
like that, it's a lot more opportunity to get.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
People don't understand.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
And I mean I could actually bring out a serrated
knife from our butcher block And.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
I was just going to say, blade.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
We actually have knives in here that I'm going to
show anyway, Like the serrated blades. Those are the ones
with the teeth, you know, like your state knives and stuff.
Now most of them the blade and everything. The metal
actually goes down into the handle like that, so blood
can actually blood and skin can get down in there

(53:51):
and you can't scrub it out now my paring knife.
See it's just solid metal down into that. There's no
way that anything can get down in to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
You want a one piece forged weapon.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, you don't want something that blood and skin can
get down into the nooks and crannies of unless you
plan to dispose of that weapon. Yeah, I'm putting them
back up.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Calm down the again. When you get to the disposal
of the weapon and to reuse of it, it's going
to start leading to paper trails if you have to
replace your weapon every time.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I would say, if you're going to like use a
blade or something and you can't clean it out entirely, again,
go to a different jurisdiction, Go to a different estate,
find a river or a lake and chuck it in there.
Water is going to be your friend here.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I like what Michelle here too is saying, and I've
always agreed with Garrett. Garrett always swears up and down
on the icicle. Now that is all the evidence would
melt away. I actually love the idea, and I thought
about it too, say that was.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Kind of the homes and the locker room mysteries.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, it would have to be, especially if you're in
the northern hemisphere, you know, like way up north or
way down south, I guess, and one of the extremes
where you get a lot of ice for the majority
of the year or whatever. Yeah, an icicle will be
pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
I say, it would be cool.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
But then you've got where they can actually trace the minerals.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
It can be you'd be a cold blooded killer.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
But no, I mean they can actually like from the
water that is left behind, they can trace it the
minerals from a specific roof or a specific spot where
that icicle was taken.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
And here's another I'm gonna get to that since you
brought it up to you, I'm gonna bring it up
in the second hour. Is where I differ in my
thought process on some of these. But so you're and
I agree with you on a lot of it, especially changing
your mo O and your web pology and your web

(56:00):
I differ on victimology a little bit too, But the
m O, the victimology, I mean the m O, the
weapon choice, things like that, I kind of agree with
on that. Keeping all that changed up all the time,
the victim set I like, being very random as well.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
It has to be. Yeah, I mean if you if
you are a serial especially and you don't want to
get caught, it can't be all women, it can't be
all men. I mean different ages, different sexes, everything.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
You have to change it up, every single different race. Yeah, everything.
So it's different.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Because typically cereals, that's how that's how criminology works. And
for the most part, serial killers work within their own demographic.
So we got like the Atlanta child murders targeted black
children because he was a black man.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I still have issues about that one, but we'll cover
the child murders well another episode.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
A lot of them tend to stick to their own
like you.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Said, they always do.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Like Gary Ridgeway is one exception, because his were victims
of opportunity and they were all prostitutes, but there were
different races. I think he would kill black women just
as easily as he'd kill white women.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Right right, again, I think the best case of not
getting caught, honestly is the Zodiac. As far as the
way he was doing things.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I mean, here it is twenty twenty five and we
still have nothing.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I do think if he had continued, he would eventually
got caught.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, but I do think that something happened, and I
think he's not with us anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I think he's probably passed on. But yeah, I think
he had to right right mindset in the way he
did things was the correct way to do it. But
he just I think he got killed or so sort
of health related incident.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Maybe are we talking about the Zodiac Killer because everybody
knows that's Ted Cruise, because even Ted Cruise says proved
im not.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Well. He could have also got hired and you know,
voted into the Senate. He's has been too busy. Yeah,
that's possible.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I mean his last quip about it, when somebody said,
we all know you're the Zodiac Killer, he's like trying
to prove him not.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I do love him for that, Like he's just kind
of lean.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
And I will stand by today that Norm McDonald will
serial killer too.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Oh yeah, we have a theory about.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
That, I really do. We'll touch on that later on
different show.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I mean kind of almost the same thing as that
meme about Bob Ross, Like he's painting all his like
where he's dump bodies and every thing. Right, but that
uh no McDonald when he talks about like his tour
dates and like funny things that have happened in different cities, Yeah,
he killed somebody in all those cities.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I guarantee if you look at his tour dates when
he was real pop that there's gonna be some code
side and death in that city. Yeah. I just got
this feeling.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Have you ever heard of speaking of random serial killer stuff,
have you ever heard Vinceon's theory that Gandhi was actually
Jack the Ripper?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I have not, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Apparently apparently they apparently they came to Britain or he
was in Britain and left Britain at the beginning of
the killings and left at the end.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Oh yeah, we'll have to look into that one, because.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I forget Vincent all that one. Talk to him.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, I say, when we do HJH. Holmes, because there's
a Jack the Ripper connection there.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
That's pretty red. I mean that's a pretty heavy.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, but still like that would be really cool to
have him on when we do that episode.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I want to do an episode on the Alienists as well.
Which was the the cops. Basically back then that was
the pre runner to the basically the criminal minds units.
You know, they had that.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Like the precursor to like John Douglas And.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, but this is back in eighteen hundreds. Okay, it
was really cool. We'll look into that. I lot the
older historical stuff too. When it comes to say.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
He's way more like police procedural.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I guess I'd love to if I can take anything
like this and look at the surrounding history of it.
I just think even with biblical stuff, I love to
find biblical stories and look at the surrounding histories around
it that aren't tied to it, just to kind of
get the whole picture. I think it makes it much better,

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much fuller story. So but anyways, so body getting rid
of the body, you just leave it to the elements.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I think the elements are your best friend, because
that's even even today, like with all the science, all
the technology and everything I have, I think the elements
are kind of on the side of the killer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Do you bother with a shallow you've got situation or
what do you do well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I mean that would depend I think mixing it up
and you know, concealing some of them, burying them or
submerging them in water or something, versus leaving some of
them outside.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I always heard the submerging in water. It's good for
it away a whole and it makes the body start
as long as it's not super cold, yeah, and helps
the body to start decomposing. Differently, does skins start slashing
slashing off everything quickly?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
My I don't know my mom's listening, but she'll know
this story because I heard it from my family. And
this is so bad. My grandfather on my dad's side,
my dad's dad, he was a cop in Birmingham when
I was growing up and everything, and not a good
man or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
A bunch of rumors and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
That he was responsible for the deaths of two black
boys that were found up under just tossed up under
a porch during the Civil Rights movement. If that kind
of gives you any idea of the type of man
my grandfather was. But his oldest son, my uncle and
my dad's oldest brother, followed in his footsteps, was also

(01:02:15):
a cop and everything, and also not really a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
Great man at all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And he apparently got drunk one day and was talking
about one of the cases of a man who had
committed suicide and bathtub, but they didn't find him till
like a week later.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
He was apparently telling the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I was too young to really remember this, but it
was just like some family reunion or something, I think,
and said that when they went to pick up the
body out of the water and everything, these skins just
pulled off of the body. So the skin and everything
will slough off of a body of it's left and
water long enough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
And that's disgusting, but for evident your purposes kind of
helps the pill her there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Oh yeah, I mean, if you're if you're doing the body,
you know, getting rid of that's a good spot to start.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But do you know something that I learned about on
forensic piles, well, trying to go to sleep one.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
Night, which that's another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I tend to go to sleep to forensic piles. But
that's called de gloving. Usually when the skin slows off,
like all in one piece.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
And everything, is it gloving. I thought that if it's
not just that, that's what I'm gonna say. I always
assumed that was just because of the hand thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It's just like whenever the skin peels away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
From the muscles, so it comes off my calf's still degloving.
I don't like that. That didn't That shouldn't be big gloving.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
If I say it, I mean it comes from you know,
wearing gloves on your hands.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
If it comes from the say the elbow down, fine
be gloving. If it comes from the knee down, it
should be de socking. I don't like degloving for the
same rings with the skin on my butt comes off.
If I wanted to be called de glovy, I don't.
I don't like it. I think that's dumb. We did

(01:04:09):
have a sorry about stuff on words and terminology. Is
that being dumb too?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I said, that's not true crime those that's just your
personal like pet Peeves.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Oh, I can have a whole show just what grinds
my gears.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But anyway, what they have found out, like especially like
when it comes like if they're trying to get fingerprints
off the body that has been found in water and everything,
they will actually deglove the hand and the forensic pathologists
will put their inside the skin and everything, and they
will then roll the fingerprints out because it stretches the
skin again taut, so they can.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Actually get it does it come up with a good
enough representation of the fingerprint that is usable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yep, it's court.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
That's pretty cool. You think it would still be deformed
to the point that it would be hard to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
That depends on like when they found the and how
bad the deterioration is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
So I mean, because I mean they can still do
they get a partial print that would make they can make.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
If those fingerprints are on file. Yeah, even from a
partial they can get it. They can get a hit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah. I know. Back in the day, they had this
big thing where they had a big movement where your
parents are supposed take all your kids to get them
fingerprinted in case they ever got kiddena opt in school,
in case they ever got kidnapp we can find them,
needs to get well, that was just a government's way
of getting your information and getting your fingerprints on file.
That's all that was. They government is always stiring to

(01:05:38):
take control like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I remember doing the fingerprint thing when I was in
the late elementary school. But okay, the tidy tyre this,
I am that paranoid helicopter mom just in general, but
because of my knowledge on true crime and all the
crap that I watch all the time. I'm an extra
paranoid mother, So I have always told her, look, somebody

(01:06:00):
ever tries to abduct you, like, here's some things to do,
Like depending on where you are and what's around you.
First off, always make a scene. These people are trying
to get in and out and get you into a
vehicle or whatever with the bare minimum of us and
attention drawn to them.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
So make a freaking scene. First off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
When we're like at Walmart or the grocery store or something,
I've always told her to hold onto the buggy because
if anybody tries to grab you, they're gonna have to
try and take that buggy with them.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
Like, do not let go of it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
If God forbid, knock on wood. If they ever get
you into a car, start like especially the handles and everything,
because they're that hard rubber. Start biting into that as
hard as you can, because you're gonna leave your teeth, impressions,
you're gonna leave your saliva, Start pulling out clumps of

(01:06:54):
your hair. Pee if you feel like you need to
puke because you're so scared puke. There are so many
things that you can do to leave evidence that you
were there, that whoever owned that car, or whoever rented
that car, or whoever it can be tied to, They're
gonna figure out that you were in their car, and
that's a lead, like God forbid. But there are things

(01:07:20):
that like even now, like you're gone sometimes over the
road and it's just me and her here by ourselves.
I've told her because I'm not a big girl, she's
not a big girl, will fight and everything, but they
may still get us, but I can guarantee you they
are gonna have scars and a visible reminder of the
day that they got us. And that's another thing my

(01:07:42):
mom has said. And we're gonna do a serie. Well,
if we have a couple of series in mine, one
of them is gonna be on women who kill and
it's the Susan Smith case. Daddy always said that he
got mad at Mom at first because Mom immediately, like
that first news conference with this woman, just flat out
said she did it, she killed those kids, like she's

(01:08:04):
the one who did this. And he was like, how
can you possibly know that? And Mom just said, look
at her, there are no marks on her whatsoever. She said,
if those were my children in that car, I'm going
to be battered, bruised, and bloody because I have tried
with every fiber in me to protect my kids. So

(01:08:28):
defensive wounds, that's another thing that you got to keep
in mind.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
You you have to be careful. That's another thing you
have to be prepared for, because in a perfect scenario,
you can it happens fast enough that you won't get
those wounds. But if you do get them, you gotta
have some sort of cover to say, hey, how did

(01:08:53):
this happen?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You know, And usually it doesn't work because people's cover
stories as to why they have like scratches their faces
and arms and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
You can't just say while I was fighting off a raccoon.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, that's why I've always dated crazy women. That way,
I can say, well I made her mad.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Hey, I now remark, you up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
The son. So you're going to leave the body in
the woods for nature to take its course. For some ammonia,
but for in general. That's that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Exposure to the elements is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Your best And another thing too, if you're if you
find your place that's far enough out, it also just
adds time before the body is to be discovered. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, like you've got these people that got caught and
everything because they left them on like a popular hiking trail,
Like you know, people are coming by all the time
because it's a popular hiking trail.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Don't do that well. And it's also like, for instance,
this what was mentioned earlier, this dog finding a Yeah,
there's no fool proof way of disposing. The only thing
you're doing, honestly is buying time before something before it
gets found. Yeah, delayed in that. So the mode of

(01:10:19):
transportation you kind of agree with.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
Just I think there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Are ways to do it that don't involve like your
own car, but for the most part, your own car
you have more control over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I just don't like the idea. I just I
don't think adding extra steps would ever be a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I mean, even renting a car like you're now involving
other people in this that are going to remember, hey,
you know guy or a girl that looks like this
rented this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
The idea that she gave and the place where you
rent cars has got cameras and everything set up. So
I think the best thing is to have your own
vehicle that this doesn't stand out. Yeah, yeah, I'm not
going to use my feet five Chevrolet to do this.
You know it's going to be a ninety seven Ultima,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I make my first car ninety five Camris.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah, something along those lines. Now, I've also had some
thoughts about uh where I do agree with you on
the randomness of the victims and your learn them into
their to the vehicle and taking them away that way too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I think that is important that you want as few
witnesses as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah, I think that's that. Along those same lines, is
a good idea now A popular movie UH trope that
they do on those is you see where they will
the killer will do a breaking an enery cut scenario
and actually do the deed in the victims own home.
I kind of like that idea. I kind of lot

(01:12:01):
that idea. If you can, how would you do it?
I kind of lot that idea. If you, number one,
are skilled enough to break in and entering without leaving
much evidence, which like a lock pick set or something
on those lines, which can be purchased. I mean you
can find them pretty easily legally as well. You can

(01:12:23):
also and you have to do a lot of practicing
to do it, but but you want to make sure
that you're not doing any kind of damage to the
frame and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Any kind of tool marks will be friends together in
a second match at a specific.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Most homes have dead boats, so you would need a
lot picked set of some sort.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
So you have to be able to draw back that
dead boat like you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
But you'd have to have some skills practice skills to
get in without causing any damage. You would need to
be able to do it while they're not in the home.
And this is my just thought process. And then let
them come back and then you be there when they arrive,
which would take a lot of stalking, a lot of

(01:13:10):
prep work to know the routine. You'd want to pick
someone who's single.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
I think prep work is also very very key or
the stalking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah, you'd want to pick someone who's single. Doesn't matter
if they'd be missed or not really in this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Scenario, just somebody that doesn't have a spouse or a partner,
or somebody that's going to walk in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
You'd want someone that if they do have a pet,
it would be like a cat or something, not a dog.
That would even if the dog's small and not a danger,
it's still going to be barking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
And some neighbors do hear that and they say, well,
we heard the dog barking and going nuts one night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
But then you could actually do the breaking and enter,
and you could enter the residents when they're not home,
put on your suit like you with talking you mentioned earlier,
and then just lay in wait until they come in
because most people they come home. Oh, once you get
inside the house as well, you want to re lock
the doors. Yeah, now the big and then you lay

(01:14:08):
in wait in a closet or something, because when you
come home, you don't check your closets or anything because
that's home. That's where you're safe. Yeah. So once they
come in, uh, then you would come out and you
would do whatever you need to do to them. Leave
the body where it lays, because you're you've got yourself covered.
You can leave a body in home and then just

(01:14:29):
go back out the way you come in. Again. I
would relock the dorm or the wigh out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I think I would still even if I've had my
containment suit. You know, I still think I'm going to
do a lot of cleaning before. Oh for sure, I'm
still going to clean up in there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
And that's the good thing about doing it in your
home is you would have time a limited time, but
you still have a litdited time to clean up after yourself.
I would not wear to suit back out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Of course, no, because I will draw attention, especially if
you're in like a neighborhood or something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
But you'd want to get out a lot of doors
and everything back like just like you found it and leave. Now.
The downside is what we was talking about earlier too.
This isn't the seventies and eighties or even the nineties anymore.
So many homes now have those ring cameras, so that would.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Be you would have to know that well ahead of time. Yeah,
it's just that's part of your scale.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Just taking too much risk nowadays, especially even houses that
are not necessarily modern but they have the more modern
televisions and things like that. We all know that a
lot of these cameras and recorders on these sets are

(01:15:44):
active and can be at sets. So even if you
think that you're not being recorded or being listened to,
a lot of times you are so doing it inside
someone's home nowadays. Even though that is kind of a
popular thing you see on television. I'm sure, I guess
it could be done with enough work, but I don't

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think that's a very long A good way of doing
it for long term, if you wanted to do something
along those lines, if the killer wanted to do something
along those lines to change up their mo then again,
with enough prep work to get in and out quickly,
I guess anything's possible, but I would not suggest that

(01:16:27):
to be the main way of doing it. But that
is a good way to mix up the victim pool. Yeah,
because the main thing I think that we're gonna when
it gets down to the end, what we're gonna come
up with is random. It has to be as appear
as random as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
That way, even if you are doing it across jurisdictional
lines and everything, they're not going to connect them because
they're not going to be similar at all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Right. Yeah. Also, if say, if you are doing the
traveling across state lines and things like that, you either
need to have an excuse like you do it for
your job, or you're gonna have to story. You're gonna
have to have some sort of way to have a

(01:17:17):
vehicle that's not tracked with GPS systems, So an older vehicle,
you're gonna have to leave your phone at home, so
you're gonna have to do a lot of prep work.
Even with your not taking your phone to do your
prep work, you have to leave the phone anything that
can track you at home when you do it all
your prep work and everything as well, when you're doing
all your stocking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I mean, you can have like a burner phone or
something that's not connected to you and then disposed of
it later. Like if you just need a phone on
you for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Well, if you do that, you need to buy it
with cash in the city that you're gonna do to
your deal with. Yeah, because if you buy it here
can still show that was bought in Mobile and now
it's in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I would probably even say, like try to find a
store that's kind of run down on everything, because the
likelihood that the cameras and everything in that store of
work would be lower.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I've heard tell that. Walmart. Of course they have
camera systems, but they only keep them for like thirty
days or something before it starts overwritting them unless there's
a niche that happens. Yeah, you, but I.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Don't know how that would go into your research.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
I don't know how accurate that is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Again, I wouldn't want to chance it. Yeah, but most
places now it's gonna have cameras.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Usually those disposable phones, though they don't ping to where
you bought them, They ping to where you activate them. Yeah,
so you could buy it anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
You technically could get it here and then now you
would have to dispose of it somewhere else because they
could figure out where it was purchased, even though you
know by the number.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I say, that's even a different jurisdiction. Like I said,
to dispose even of a weapon and everything, everything that
you need to dispose of, do it in water, and
don't do it in the same place, Like, don't do
it where you have committed your crime. Go to one
place to dispose of the weapon. Go to a different
place to dispose of like the phone if you have
a disposable phone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah. But yeah, now, like I said, nowadays, with the
way things are with tracking and cameras everywhere, it would
be all makes it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yeah, it makes it way, way, way more difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yeah, I'd say near impossible to be a prolific serial
killer along those lines ways oday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
It's just too easy nowadays to track and especially even
now what we know with like criminology and victimology.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
And I think that's why you don't hear about serial
killers like you used to. You still get some pops
up every every year you find, you know, a few
stories popping up new ones, but not like you'd had
any heyday back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I mean, you had the people back then and killing
between like thirty and what seven at the very least.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
And what's crazy is because of all that, you had
that shift in mindset with parents from being become the
helicopter parents and all that stuff. The rules about don't
talk to strangers, don't take candy from strangers, don't get
in cars and strangers and all that kind of stuff,
which is good advice. And now, because we've got so

(01:20:24):
far removed from that and so comfortable with safety, now
we call up strangers to come get us when we're drunk. Yeah,
there's even a uber teen account where you can have
your teenagers set up for to get a car with strangers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Even back then, the stranger danger thing that even really
didn't help anybody, because what we know now looking back
is that they're on the They're not a whole lot
of like crimes, sexual assaults or whatever where it's a
stranger on stranger crime. It's usual somebody the victim knows

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that the victim is comfortable with.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
And the ones that we know about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Anyways, I mean, you get the few like Gary Ridgeway
that was stranger on stranger he just picked up prostitutes,
you know, stuff like that. You get a lot of
those and everything. But that since the focus and everything
is on people like that because they fascinate us, we
miss all of the majority of crimes. Most rapes are

(01:21:27):
done by somebody the victim knows, like especially pedophilia, that's
usually somebody within that child's family or inner circle.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
Well, like, so stranger danger does.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Not help them because now this person that they know
that they trust is now abusing them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Well, we're going off those numbers because those are the
reported numbers. So and that's the only thing we can
go off of. So by believing those numbers, and you know,
we have to assume that's correct. Yeah, there's no way
of actually knowing if that's accurate because other numbers aren't.
They're not being reported because.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I mean there reporting systems are are weak anyway, because
not everybody reports everything. There's you know, shame and everything,
or that they've just disappeared and couldn't ever report anything
like well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
I know that I've seen reports about sexual assault and
stuff like that where it was reported, but nobody was
it wasn't really following up. Nobody's ever caught for we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I mean even here in Alabama, there is such a
backlog of rape kits in hospitals just sitting there because
I mean, it is so prevalent and everything that we
just we don't have the resources to follow up on
every single report.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
And I mean those are just the rape kits that
we actually have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
There are so many people that don't report it at
all and get a kid done, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
So, but the opportunity for this kind of behavior obviously
is there for people who want to look into it
or to do these kind of things. But again, it's
not as prevalent as it used to be as far
as I think that the numbers I've went down, specially

(01:23:17):
the cereals because of technology.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, which is a great thing. I mean, like the
advancement of technology and everything has really really helped victims.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Especially well, I think the advancement of technology has helped
victims as far as like murder cases and things like that,
but I also think that has created a whole new
type of victim as well, especially when it comes to
Internet and that kind of stuff too. Not necessarily a

(01:23:49):
physical abuse, but there is a lot of abuse going
on over the internet like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
That that too. But we have the Cragslist killer, like
because when Craigslist was like such a big thing, and
I think he's actually one of the reasons.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
People don't use it as much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
And really the only people that you do about using
it are also creeps.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
The crags List had a date and like a personals something.

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
They have a misconnections section.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Well back when all this started getting shut down, they
actually had like a hookups top thing that's where, and
that's where the because of the child trafficking and all
that kind of stuff, they was getting busted so often
that they finally shut down that whole part of craigs

(01:24:36):
Like I used to go on Craziest a lot because
of they had, you know, kind of like eBay, they
had car parks and cars for sale and and things
like that, that marketplace of it, and because when they started.
I remember one time I went to get on craigs
List and it was like shut down, blocked, and I couldn't.
I didn't know why, you know, but that's that's how

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I found out about they had these dating sites, but
they caught them dating sites, but they was basically hookup sites.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
It was like a lot of prostitutes and quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Escorts, Like women who thought they were better than prostitute
but were doing the exact same thing, called themselves escorts.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, look, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Sorry, like you're getting paid for sex, you're well prostitute.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
The reason they the reason that kind of started out
because of the terminology of it. They wasn't selling themselves.
They were selling the experience of going on dates. They
were selling companionship basically, So that's why they started using
that kind of terminology to kind of go around the filters,
I guess. Anyways, but on the Internet, you see a

(01:25:40):
lot of these chat rooms are still popular, even some
of these online gaming rooms and things like that, for
where you have these creeps and these seckos pretending to
be are victimizing younger people, usually girls, you know, but
girls and boys victimizing them. So there's a old new

(01:26:00):
even though serial murders and rapes and things have went down,
because I think of the Internet and what we have
now as far as technology, I think that's just created
a different kind of victim. Now, yep, so evil is
going to do what evil does. It's just going to
find a new outlet to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
Oh, I mean it's like that. I'll say, evil finds
a way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
And yes, the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Actually evil finds a way.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
I'm not Jeff Goldblue. He doesn't like Jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
No, evil finds a way every single time. And yes,
the Internet actually has made this easier for a lot
of them. Now they get caught.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Quicker, they can be trapped much quicker.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, but I think it's happening probably more frequently.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Oh yeah, I think it's many victims. Well, and when
I'm saying victims too, I'm talking about just.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Then the ones that aren't killed.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Or just the ones that they talking into sharing photos
and videos and things like that too. That's still victimhoods.

Speaker 6 (01:27:09):
That's still that's absolutely like targeting that person.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
And yeah, so it's just a different type of victim
that than what we used to see. But now she's
looking for scissors. You're on camera, baby, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
And look you didn't ever turn around, like you left
your back to me and you're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
The shut up. I also saw as far as the
disposing of bodies. The theory I saw one time was
these and it's not just a theory. There's this group
that goes through truck drivers who are serial killers as well.
Because they have an excuse to be traveling as much,

(01:27:59):
they have of a kill room basically built into their truck.
They take you everywhere they go, plenty of opportunity for victims,
and they have the easy opportunity to dispose of the bodies.
So we're going to show in the future about the

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serial killer truck drivers.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
We'd be a lot of funds.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Since you're a truck driver, I'm gonna let everybody see that.
I'm giving you the knife.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Get me a third cup of butter the stick.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
A third cup? Okay, which.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Five and a third tea spoons is a third of
a cup.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
So in my mind, I'm picturing these truck drivers going
down the road. They got Red Savine or somebody playing
on the radio, the windows down and they're just drinking
their coffee and they reached they grab a hand and
pitch it out in the window. Then they drive another
few hundred miles and they take a foot and they

(01:29:07):
throw it out the passenger windows.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Miles not beat people. So I said, that's what I'm saying, like, yes,
it has to be miles.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Also, I've always thought in that scenario going down Louisiana,
all those swamps they go right up against the roadways
would be a good opportunity as.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Well, should we born now that they used to live
in the Louisiana.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
Make people even more suspicious.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
But a huge bridge network going through the south like that,
lots of swamps, lots of animals, and the swamps big
good spot seet rid of the body parts. If you're
a truck driver, you're driving at If you're a truck driver,
you're driving at night a lot. This seems like it'd
be an easy in this day and age, if you're

(01:29:58):
going to be looking for a way of life that
would be suitable to be in a serial killer. I
think truck driver would be a pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:30:10):
It still is the perfect one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
I mean, they actually said there's a serial killer Highway
because it's so frequently used by truckers that they think
that there's multiple serial killers still operating here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Years ago, I worked at a truck I didn't always
drive truck, but I used to work on as well. Well.
I should say I always drove trucks, but I used
to work on them as well in the shop. And
we had a truck that would come through every few
months and he would park his rig on our lot

(01:30:48):
and we would do service on it, changed all that
kind of things. While he was home. He would park
his truck there and it would be It wouldn't very often,
just it may be there maybe ten times a year
for a week or two and uh, and it would

(01:31:10):
we would do the service on his truck, but we
had strict rules about uh. He would bring it in
and out of the shop for us and we would
just do maintenance on it. We weren't supposed to do
anything inside the vehicle. And it turned out that that
truck driver one day record come and it got that

(01:31:31):
truck and it pulled it off the lot and we
never saw it again. And about a year or so
later we found out that he had been arrested for
in suspicion for the death of five prostitutes across the country,
and that they think his truck might have been his
kill room. We never saw any like I'm not gonna

(01:31:52):
picture it. It had like plastic and all this stuff,
none of that. Just a looked like a standard truck,
but we also was told but he was also told
not to do anything inside the truck like normally, and
I don't mean plundering around and we never did that anyways,
getting inside of per people's personal stuff. But there's air

(01:32:14):
filters that's in the in the bunk, in the bed part,
there's air filters that we would normally change out. There's
air filters inside the dash and things like that that
we would have to take panels off to get to.
And he was very very specific about not he didn't
want us to do those things, that he would do that,
so we would just apply him with those filters and
he would do it hisself. And but I remember when

(01:32:38):
they come and got that, I wouldn't that worked today
they come got it. But I remember getting that report
back that he had been arrested, and I never heard
anything beyond if he was convicted or not. I'm not
going to say his name, but he was arrested for
suspicion of of killing some prostitutes. So but that was

(01:33:05):
that was a pretty close running. I guess. I never
met the guy personally. I just had seen his truck
out there, so I just thought that was interesting. And
I always thought that makes a good sense to be
the quote unquote perfect job to do the perfect murders
would be a truck driver.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
At the eye White Criminologists and the shows that I watched,
they talk about this because you are transient as a
trucker and like you're never in the same place all
the time, you know, so your victim pool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Is country and not. It's not as prevalent as it
used to be. But hitchhikers at the truck stops, even
alongside the roads at the Inner States and stuff was
used to be pretty big.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
What they call them a lot lizards.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Yeah, and then you got the you know, the lot
lizards and the prostitutes I woul show up again. They're
not nearest prevalents they used to be because people are
are cracking and the police are cracking down all that
kind of stuff. Uh, there's a huge push with truck
drivers and truck companies for that's anti human trafficking, so
that we do. We have hotlines that every truck stop,

(01:34:16):
every rest area, you see posters and with phone numbers
and stuff to call and report any kind of suspicious activity.
So they're they're definitely uh cracking down those kind of situations,
so trying to start trying to get ahead of it,
I guess, or trying to curb it because it is

(01:34:36):
an issue. So but again the reason it is an
issue is because it seems to be pretty successful. And
I think if you're gonna have modern day serial killers,
that would be the profession to be in. That or
a doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
Wells than just about anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Yeah, I think again doctors and nurses, episode doctors and nurses. Also,
I think it's the perfect job to have if you
want to be a serial killer.

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
Of mercy, you know, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
I mean that's very very common, especially among women.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
But you can always say, like I said that the
Angel of mercy once. If you're a doctor, you know,
of course you don't want to do it enough that
to draw suspicion, but you can always lose a patient.
You know, things happen. If you want to be able
to murder and get away with it openly, you could

(01:35:37):
be an abortion doctor because they can do.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Those all the time that I can go under genoson.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
I mean, those serial killers they get applauded by certain
people in this country. So to be a perfect I
think it's a right. But so there is legal loopholes
and a lot of ways to get away with murder
in the medical profession. So if if you know, somebody

(01:36:06):
or this hypothetical person is trying to figure out what
they want to do with their life to take care
of this, this to feed their beast. Maybe a doctor,
you know, maybe maybe a truck driver.

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
See all y'all are focused on me. He's the truck driver.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
The truck driver.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Uh huh on all are focused on me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Though, where do you think he.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
Learned it from?

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Oh? I will say, maybe maybe you're the one learning.
You never know. But I was doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Before, like I.

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
Before I went into purity.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
So by the time I was ten, I wanted to
be a forensic pathologist until I realized that that's really
glory and I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Don't have a stomach for that. I didn't know what
a forensic pathologist is by the time I was forty,
So yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
I knew that before I was ten years old.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
But again, there, if the perfect crime is what I
was getting to, is maybe the one that is legal.
If you're gonna if you're gonna, like the title of
this is the one about the perfect murder, right, well,
perhaps the perfect murder is the one that's already legal.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
You know, well, then technically it wouldn't be murder because
you know, murder is a legal term. So if it's
not classified as murder, it's not the perfect murder if
you've committed it just because it is legal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
No, I'm just talking about the opportunity to do it
if it can. I if you if you, uh say,
if you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Want to kill innocent people, like, there are ways to
do it legally.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
But I'm just saying that the perfect cover to be
the perfect murder, which for it to be the perfect murder,
you'd have to have. The perfect cover would be some
sort of medical situation where you could get away with
it and not draw attention. Yeah, and not doing anything
illegal in the in the eyes of society. You just
made a mistake.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I was about to say, for the most part, all
the ones that like the Angels of Mercy and all
that kind of stuff, yes, they have been caught for
the most part.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Well, again, we all need there.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
Are still some out there that are operating to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I'd say we only know about the ones who's got caught.
There's probably a much higher percentage that's still active that
never got caught than the ones actually got caught, you
know what I mean. There's a I've heard that there
are some numbers estimates that you'll meet, what three serial
killers in your life or three mass murderers in your
life or something of that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
I think it's a serial killer one because they're like
the miraculous part of that is that they didn't kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
We actually had a we actually had a story earlier
and it was what in Bundy? Who was it that
her husband wrote on the bus with him? Oh? That was.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
Jeffrey Dahmer. Had Amy on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Yeah, we when we've done our show about Jeffrey Dahmer,
we had our guest. Amy was on with us and
her husband.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Had actually us back and forth to work with Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Talking Jeffrey Dahmer. So that's real life scenario of being
close to someone.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
The fact to the Jeffer Dahmers targeted men and that
man was just apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Not his type. Well, didn't he target homosexual men for
the most.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Part, Like he went to like the gay bars and
the game clubs and bathhouses.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
There's usually signs that's pretty obvious about the people he
was targeting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
So they have a a kind of radar.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
So all of my friends. People will understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Yeah, the people that he was looking for could be
picked out in the lineup. Yeah. But again, so you're
looking at a deep gene pool or a deep victim pool.
You want to make it random and have no victims.

Speaker 6 (01:40:10):
Need to be random.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Your method of killing needs to be random, and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Then your you mode needs to be randomized and moved
around so you don't do the same way every time.
You don't want to create patterns. Your weapon of choice
should be changed up periodically. You don't again, you want
to stay away from any kind of patterns that will
Your way of disposing of the bodies would need to

(01:40:35):
be random. The area you hunt in should be random,
not necessarily random to the person doing the hunting. All
this has to be meticulously planned out. But for the
general public to see that, you can't have anything that.
You can't have a pattern that can be picked out
and start because once your pattern is established, you start seeing, okay,

(01:40:59):
well what would be next in this pattern? And then
you're going to actually, I say, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Going to start looking now at the people the victims
who potentially fit that pattern.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
So so, and that's how you've seen it, and all
I won't say all, but most of the stories and
cases we looked at, you see that happening where they
start establishing that pattern and that's what ultimately gets them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Gary Ridgeway and the Green River Killer, we need to
do him one day because that kind of he did
have random victims in that he didn't have a specific
type except for the fact that they were all prostitutes.
So they the cops and the authorities latched onto that
and then they started noticing, Okay, well every all of

(01:41:44):
the witnesses that you know, knew the victim and everything.
They were like, oh, well, they got into this truck,
the man who was driving it looked like this. They
actually had interviewed Gary Ridgeway because he fits the description
and everything and let him go until like a few
more were killed and they were like, okay, now it

(01:42:07):
like they actually had more evidence that was like, that's
the guy. So he would be a really good one
to go over like a whole process of victimology.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Not the whole process, because he is hunting grounds as
what too small.

Speaker 6 (01:42:23):
I say, he really never left like where.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
He lived I mean, so I mean he may have
had a good idea of breaking up what his victims
looked like, but the pool he was hunting in was
still way too little.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
It wasn't that he was trying to break up like
what they look like or anything. He his mother was
a prostitute, so he had a deep patron for prostitutes.
So it didn't matter what they looked like. It was
just that they were a prostituted.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
That's what I'm saying. It's like in theory, if you're
going to to say that he was doing good, well,
just in that aspect, because they wasn't a pattern of
what they looked like. They all wouldn't blind they that's
only good good he did because it has to be
layers as well. It has to work together. The group

(01:43:09):
that you're hunting has to be diverse as well, but
your hunting area has to be diverse, has to be
very wide. Yeah, that's why was not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
I mean, for sure the actual victims were divers, like
he did not stick within his own white demographic because
he was a white male. Yeah, and it was not
just white females that he targeted, Like anybody that was
prostitute regardless of race, he killed her.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
So yeah, his uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
And his dumping ground was the same place every time
the Green River.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Yeah, his he had it right with his the flavor
of victim cause his neapolitan but where he was going
where he but he kept buying that neapolitan ice cream
in the same store. And he can't do that, not
long term, to get away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Yeah, So I say, especially with the witnesses seeing his truck,
describing him like it was the same person over and
over that was the last person to pick up those women.
So but I think his compulsion kind of over wrote
his reason, and that that is kind of the way
it goes with most of these people when they get

(01:44:20):
to that point, like they can no longer control that
part of them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
So so you need to be diverse in your victims.
You need to travel extensively for your hunting grounds. You
need to have a non discript descript vehicle that you
own that you canl I locked ideas swapping out tires regularly,
and the way I would do that is don't go

(01:44:50):
to a tire store and buy a whole set every.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Time brand new, like you don't want that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
You find all these places, especially in the southeast Southeast,
and I'm sure you got them all over the country,
these little used tire places. You can buy a thirty
five dollars tire. You go to those, you buy random tires.
Of course you'll have big size for your car, but

(01:45:17):
random tires, different brand, random random depth treads. They won't
they won't match, and you just swap them out regularly,
so your coat. You're literally covering your tracks for seventy
five eighty dollars every time you do it, and you
can pay in cash. They dispose of your old tires boom,
no problem. Or you could take your old tires back

(01:45:39):
and burn them if you live out in the country.
So I mean there's ways to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Then you like people seeing the smoke and smell of
burning rubber and everything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:48):
My neighbors burning.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Tires all the time if you're out in the country. Yeah,
that'd be a lot of tires burn if you swalk
them out every time.

Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
I say, we live in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
We don't have a lot of neighbors, but we have
neighbors close enough.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
They're like, oh, they're now running tires all the time.
That would if nothing else, you get complaints cells of
the smell. So but like I said, they will get
rid of the tires for you and if you bomb
that way with cash completely random, never I matching set
of letting them get rid of your tires. They can't,
they can't follow the tread on your vehicles.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Yeah. So and again, like each tire you can buy
a different brand and different tread, so all four of
your tires don't even match.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
But the main thing, the best deterrent and the best
way to get away with the perfect murder, is to
not have anything that would make you a suspect. So
no one that you know. Again, I started rule number
I started this show saying that you don't crap where

(01:46:48):
you eat, so you do not. I don't care if
the like you said, some of these serial killers that
had the fixation with the mother or whatever, they didn't
care the mother to begin with. They found people to
take that place at Kemper. So if you yeah, he
finally killed them and turn his self in. Yeah, but

(01:47:09):
uh yeah, if it's something personal, someone personal, that that
you're fixated on, then you just gotta you got some
substitute for it. Yeah. Uh. And then he eventually liked
with Kemper.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
That compulsion to actually kill the target of your rage,
of your fixation, of your compulsion, that's going to become
too great to ignore and you're eventually going to do.

Speaker 6 (01:47:32):
Something to them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Yeah, and that's how I think that's the Eventually all
of them well get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
I don't think we've did we do an episode. We
did an episode on Kemper. I think yeah, because I
talked about the head of the trunk, But uh, yeah,
I mean he turned himself in after he killed his
mother because at that point he was done, Like there
was all the compulsion in to kill somebody was focused

(01:48:04):
on other people because he was, I think trying to
work himself up to killing his mother.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
He was trying to get the courage to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
So once he killed what was it like thirteen co
eds or something like that, I can't even remember the number. Now,
once he killed a certain number of them, it was like, okay,
I you know, I can finally do this with mom.
And she finally pushed his buttons to that point that
I mean he even did horrific stuff to her after

(01:48:32):
she was dead, just to add insult to injury, because
that that hatred and everything ran so deep in him
like that. I mean, that is an awful case, but
he was done after that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Well, those kinds of people that had that kind of
compulsion serial killers, they're always going to get the call
yeah so and so you can't put them in the
perfect murder scenario other than saying that you can't do
it this way.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
I mean, even Ted Bundy, it was never really confirmed,
but they were saying that the love of his life
is he was a jilted lover and everything basically, and
he was killing her over and over and over, just
not her. They were all substitutes for her because they
all look the same.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Well, you hear a lot of the after the fact,
the interviews and stuff with them that they do say yeah,
you know something along those lines anyways. But I think
if you're gonna if there's someone with those kind of
compulsions going down that road, it will always end the
same way. I don't think they'll ever get away get

(01:49:41):
away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
There are serials that we will eventually get to in
the show as it goes on and everything where the
compulsion is just to kill, Like they're just kind of
basically angry at the world and they want to lash
out somehow. They don't care who they kill. They don't care,
I mean, they just don't. They don't care. They just
need to actually take the life of somebody because that's

(01:50:05):
how they exercise that anger.

Speaker 6 (01:50:08):
So those people are very.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Random, especially with their victims and everything, because it's not
about the victim. It's just about them and they're internalized whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
And that brings me back to the Zodiac Killer. I
think that's what he was. I think he was just
the I just need to hell, I'm doing this for me. Yeah,
because you can see that narcissism in his letters too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
It was always all about it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Was always about him. That's why his victims didn't matter.
That's why he didn't have a certain time. Yeah, they
just that's see, I'm going to go hunt tonight, and
that's just who he went and got.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
I say they were also, in a way victims of
opportunity because a lot of them, I mean were couples
and cars and stuff, or like the couple by the
lake and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
They just had the opportunity to And to be honest,
he wasn't really good at it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
No, he really wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:51:01):
Like it's actually amazing that he got by with this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Yeah, there's at least a few that he shot and
didn't kill. Yeah, So, and how do you see someone
with a forty four magnum and not kill him.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I mean that's actually kind of impressive in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
So, but that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Big caliber, Like, yeah, let's gonna put a whole a
good sized coal.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Gordon the Harry mccallahan is the power in the world.
But I think Zodiac is the best example of how
to do it properly, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
He's the only one that we have still not caught
to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
We have no ideas the most samous, the most infamous one,
for sure. Uh, there are some that we see every
now and then that have a huge kill rate that
finally get caught by something dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
When you look at David Burke, is he got he
got caught by like a bus and tell light?

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Yeah, So it makes me wonder. I think they would
eventually got caught anyways, But that does make me wonder
how much more they would have done before they got
to that, before they got caught, you know, before they
slipped up.

Speaker 6 (01:52:18):
I said, those people don't stop. No, they have to
be caught. They have to be killed. That's the only
way they stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Yeah, I mean they're in a way like you've had
some that might could be reformed. They're not like sexual
predators in that way. The recidivism rate for a sexual predator,
especially like a pedophile, is near one hundred percent. They
do not stop chemical castration. Physical castration does not work

(01:52:49):
because there are other ways to hurt somebody that way,
and it's not about sex in that instant.

Speaker 6 (01:52:58):
It is a like mental compulsion in them to violate.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Somebody that way.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
I also think that a lot of cases with serial
killers is not necessarily about the killing. It's that compulsion
they have.

Speaker 6 (01:53:09):
That I say, the whole process of it, the stalking,
the hunting, and everything leading up to it is usually
what they like to kill is kind of anti climax.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
I think a lot of times the kill is necessity
because they take it to this point they have no choice.
Now they can't let them go.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Yeah, you can't leave a witness.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
So those spookies smell good, I know now they're also
you mentioned those shows you watch. There's a phenomenon now
that people have learned by watching those shows.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
They call it the CSI effect, but that mainly is
talking about like juries and everything, because used to in
cases like that where you get like the very clinical
testimony from the scientists and everything. People just kind of
zone out. They had no idea what it meant. But
now thanks to shows especially like CSI, that's where it

(01:54:04):
came from, like the original CSI with like the Gil Grissom,
you know, all them, which that's my favorite one. But
they do call it the CSI effect because they actually
put it in such a way that now just the
average person can understand what these terms mean.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
But there was some that's like women who kill those
kinds of shows and they go through I just used
that because I saw it on the list earlier on
the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
But and I actually was making a grocery list today.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
But now there's this. You watch these shows and you
learn how they got caught. So when you make your
grocery list, I mean, when you make your list on
what done dos and don'ts. People could watch the shows
actually learn and they have That's what That's what I
was talking about, more than the jury thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
I say. I mean, I still call that the CSI
effect because yes, the people who would want to do
things like this or watching these shows and they're learning, Hey,
and they even did that before these shows. There were
those you know like pulp magazines or whatever that were
the true crime magazines that like you could order police
equipment off the back of the you know, they had
all the ads and everything. But these people were learning

(01:55:18):
what the police were looking for in certain crimes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Well like, for instance, though, I've learned not to start
a construction company and hire teenage boys and then bury
them in my cross space.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Well again, that's that goes back to the very beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
You don't ship where you eat, that's right, yeah, or
crap where you eat?

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Well the uh so again, like she just said, you
don't crap where you eat. You you don't overhunt your
own property, Okay, you don't give any extra You don't
make it easy to be connected to your victims. Basically,

(01:55:57):
don't you got to start somewhere outside away from you
that there's there's no connections to you to start with,
or you're going to go downhill immediately. We're getting closed
to the end. It's about four or five minutes left.
Is there anything you want to close out with on.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Any last thoughts or I'll go back to the beginning too,
if I mean, that's that's what this boils down to,
the perfect crime means reducing your forensic footprint. And there's
so much to look for these days technology, like your
your cell phone is a digital fingerprint right now. Like

(01:56:41):
it doesn't matter what you're searching for. You don't even
have to search for, you know, the same things that
have got people caught before, like how to dispose of
the body or something like one.

Speaker 6 (01:56:52):
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
That's like my main thing, you know me, I say
this all time. Do not put anything in writing, and
that means digital writing as well. Yeah, Like there was
a bomber. They got caught because the notes that he
was making on a legal notepad you know with the
yellow sheees, he just tear off. They he actually burned
when he was the page that he was writing on

(01:57:16):
his notes, he burned that, but they actually the imprint
of his PN. They were able to see what he
wrote because of that pad. Don't have put anything in
writing or if you're going to burn the entire pad, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:57:32):
Just like you're saying the electronics nowadays, the seri that
you have in your house, everything you do is recording.

Speaker 6 (01:57:39):
Like our phones are actively listening to us right now.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
The you got your phone in your pocket, your GPS
in your car.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
I mean constantly tracking you for serial killer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Nowadays they have to be they have to be a
lot smarter and a lot more careful than they were.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
They have to take the digital age into account now again.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
That's why I think ultimately the best way to do
it is to just find a job that gives you
the best opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:58:07):
Let's say, at least in your digital footprint.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
You have a reason for it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
So you do a lot of traveling. Or I think
the best one is the medical field makes the best sense.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
The whole trucker thing, like all y'all joke around about
me him, you gotta worry about.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
I don't know what she's talking about. So where can
they find you at?

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