FPF 02-22-25 The One About Cults Part 2

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about Cults Part two, Part two. So, everybody, this is

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I'm bump stock N as always your co host. That's
bump Stock Barbie right over there. We are not on
the front porch. We are on our living room couch
with Ditzie, and we're here talking about cults. Last week
we started it with a part one of kind of

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looking at the psychology way back to camera Bumps, Tiny Tyrant.
So we started with a little round discussion kind of
a spaces tope form and about the psychology of cult

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leaders and cult followers. So we'll kind of touch on
that kind of like a previously scene on episode, but
then we're going to go into something that's pretty interested.
Like I said, this is Cults Part two, and we
got a pretty cool one, or I won't say cool,
we got pretty interesting one to discuss here shortly, but.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, because it's actually ongoing now.

Speaker 8 (05:25):
So yeah, but if you want to kind of catch
them up on kind of what we was sawing about
last week, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Last week we touched on the type of person that
would be a leader and the type of person who
is likely to fall into that as a follower, and overwhelmingly,
you know, your cult leaders and everything tend to have
narcissistic traits, like very grandiose sense of self, I mean,

(05:53):
an inflated sense of ego. They actually get very irate
and hostile if they're disagreed with which ends up being
like whoever is this greed or challenge them ends up
being punished somehow.

Speaker 8 (06:07):
We we noticed there's a lot of crossover between them
and our technical our our typical serial killer type personalities.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, there can be.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
Yeah, there seems like I've noticed when we was just
kind of talking about it that it's like they're running
neck and neck with the typical serial killer, uh steps,
and then like there'll be a little divergent you know,
they won't actually start killing animals or something. You know,
there's always that they almost get that point and then

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they just stopped short. They're taking that next step to
being We.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Don't see try like you're talking about. We don't see
a lot of that coming.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
We see we see parts of, not necessarily all of them.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So it was interesting exert control over their own surroundings
from a very early age.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
Usually now you could see, uh, the similarities, how easily
one could become other.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, Well, and you get all these there, I mean,
and in this series we're going to cover a lot
of these cult leaders who do end up taking lives.
Like Jim Jones killed nearly a thousand people, like a
third of them were children. Oh ya, I mean he
manipulated him to the point that they actually took their

(07:23):
own lives. But I consider him the actual like murderer here. Yeah,
a lot of that situation.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
A lot. They say the same thing about Charlie Benson too.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean he never killed anybody with his own hand.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
Not Well, there's there's a case where I think to
kill somebody, but not into not through his cult. Yeah,
but yet he's still responsible.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, he's one hundred percent. I think he was one
of the only people to ever be convicted of murder
that never actually by his own hand took those lives, that.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
One that he the ones that he was charged with.

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find it. It's good stuff. But anyways, back to Colts.
Like we said, we talked about the narcissistic side of
the leaders. You want to say any more on that,
We'll get back to that.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I mean, I can just go through like I've got
my books here, I've got this and my DSM handy,
But I mean I like this one because yes, it is.
It is just like it says, it's for dummies, like
he puts it in terms that every single person can understand.
But narcissism is actually a recognized personality disorder. It is

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listed in the DSM five under different types of personality disorders,
which kind of run the gamut, there's the paranoid, there's schizoid,
borderline personality disorder, histrionic, narcissistic, and antisocial. Antisocial is most
often associated with psychopathy or sociopathy, but you know those

(11:39):
are kind of outdated terms too, and narcissism. A lot
of these personality traits share traits with other each of
the other personality disorders too, so it has to have
a very specific criteria to be meant to have a
specific type diagnosed. But I mean nar everybody is familiar

(12:01):
with the lore of well you know where the term
comes from, you know, well, with the Greek god or
whatever that saw his reflection in some water or whatever
and became obsessed with himself. Yes, again very grandiose uh self,

(12:22):
a highly inflated sense of self, of their own ego
and everything. The DSM, the diagnostic criteria, is a pervasive
pattern of grandiosity and fantasy or behavior and need for admiration,
lack of empathy, which again you see that with like

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the antisocial or even borderline personality disorder. Sometimes it usually
begins early in adulthood, which you see these traits come
out through more the late teenage years and to early
adulthood like in your twenties to mid twenties, when you
really start seeing signs like this come out. They tend

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to exaggerate their achievements and talents. They expect to be
recognized as superior, but without the commensurate achievements to go
along with that. They're preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty,
or ideal love. They believe that they are special and
unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with,

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other special or high status people or institutions. They require
excessive admiration, which again you see that predominantly in cult leaders.
They need there's so many of them that present themselves
as a messiah in a way. They need the worship,
the adoration, the sense of entitlement. They're interpersonally exploitative, which

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we see that a lot. They exploit their followers for
their own game, like to achieve some need within themselves.
There's come empathy again, often envious of others or believes
that others are envious of them, and the arrogance. Basically
that's kind of the diagnostic criteria there for narcissistic personality disorder,

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and I think that's the overwhelming thing that we see
with cult leaders.

Speaker 8 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't know any that wouldn't fall into that category.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I think that's Yeah. I don't think that you're going
to find anybody that's like meek and submissive and everything
that becomes a leader like that.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
No, that we found those type of personality traits and
people that are in businessmen and in politics and stuff
as well. So I thought that was interested in how
that dynamic crossed those lines as well.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, Like I said, there's a lot of overlap with
a lot of these personality disorders. Certain traits that you
see in one often show up in one of the
other ones too, But you have to kind of look
at it as a whole to get a specific diagnosis. Yeah,
I mean they can share one or two traits from
multiple personality disorders but not actually have a personality disorder.

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So I mean that's why to me, that's why psychology
is so fascinating, because there's so much nuance to it
because every single person is different, Like, no two people
are exactly alike. We can, you know, we can name
people who are very similar in their traits and their behaviors,
but even then they always differ from one another.

Speaker 8 (15:41):
Yeah, and you could take somebody who's diagnosed with the
same issues like that and they've still be they would
carry it differently than the well, like I.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Mentioned, with the antisocial personality disorder that's most commonly associated
with what we used to call psychopathy or you know,
the sociopaths and stuff. But that does not automatically mean
that this person who has this personality disorder is actually
going to be a violent person. Again, like you said,
we see this in CEOs, we see this in politicians.

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People in positions of authority and power. They tend to
gravitate towards those types of jobs and those roles because
they have these traits, right, and it's it's actually pretty
rare that they end up being like a serial killer
or a mass murder or something.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yeah, I would like to actually see the percentage breakdown
on that, because it's got to be minuscule.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I want to say, the last time I looked it up,
at least as far as antisocial personality disorder, it was
like one or two percent of the US population.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Yeah, and then even less than that would be violent ones. Yeah,
I would like to see because I bet it's less
than one percent of that percentage that actually becomes violent, Right,
that's extremely small.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, luckily, Yeah, thank god.

Speaker 8 (16:57):
The other interesting thing too from this time last week
was the makeup of the followers and how, in my opinion,
the followers actually made up of pretty ordinary people.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well, you got you got to keep in mind, like everybody, me, you,
our daughter, our parents and everything, everybody. I put it
in the terms of the movie Phenomenon last week, where
you know, he points out that everyone has their every
woman has their chairs. Well, that just means like every

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person has specific needs, and so the leaders and everything
of colts have an uncanny ability to hone in on
these needs and these vulnerabilities and people and then present
a solution to it, like I can provide you with
these things.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
Yeah. That's the Uh, that's the scary part is because
the followers really, like you said, they could be any
of us, because all of us are looking for something. Yeah,
and usually it is just companionship or understanding or acceptance, feeling.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
You need a sense of belonging. We are very social
creatures by nature, so you need that almost it's almost
like a pact mentality like with dogs or you know,
other animals like that. You need the solidarity and everything
within that group. That sense of identity comes from.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
A group, right, And then when these cult leaders they
like said, they hone in on that, they prey on that,
they know how to manipulate that to bring those followers in.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And it's scary how in tune they are with this,
how they're able to pick up on this and perceive
it's so easily in other people, because yes, I mean
they will lock in on that immediately.

Speaker 8 (18:54):
Yeah, I think, like I said, I think it's a
lot of it is all of us have that.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Common need, and everybody has their chairs.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
So they can lock in on that and find it.
And they may have a let's say they have a
meet and greet and they and but one hundred people
in there and they get free, then that one starts
spreading from there on out. But they may not have
a one percent to cess rate, but then that one

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percent has another one percent says rate, and so forth
to all effect.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Almost like it will continue to pick up momentum and
pick up followers as it goes, because again, word of out,
you know, you've got this one person who might have
been unhappy with something in their life, and suddenly everybody
around them realizes that they're happier, that they seem more
fulfilled than everything, so they start asking them about it,
and then they realize, well, hey, you know, maybe this

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is something I should look into too.

Speaker 8 (19:51):
We've talked about it. It's also very similar to the
staff that we talked about what a Stanford prison experiment.
If you've got that first person to agree to something
and then they do it, then the people that's around
them is going to like, well, they did it.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
It makes it easier for them to They're.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Going to move in and start setting it two because well,
while I don't want to be the automan out, these
three people already said yes to it, so I want
to fit in. They said it's okay, they're doing it.
So that person moves in and they start doing it,
and then before you know it, they're giving their wives
up and getting circumcised and castrated and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean, and it actually is amazing. Like we will
as this cult series that we're doing continues, there actually
is one or two that I'm going to go into
that were led by women, and overwhelmingly there's not a
whole lot of sexual abuse that goes on when it's
run by women. We see that more often when it's

(20:53):
the men who are the leaders. Well, it's it's also
a way for them to keep controlled.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
Yeah, well that when the woman when court leaders a woman,
she has a headache, a lot of a headache, a
lot of knights too. So that's why you don't see
that happen.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, she will have her her men, you know,
that belong to her.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
Basically, and they do. They're really the ones that doll
out the punishment physically.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, and then often they are rewarded.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Mh.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So, I mean we do see a lot of that,
but it's just I don't think it is as prevalent
as it is when it's a male leader.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
That'd be interesting. Well, but as a male leader, just
about every time, but that's what it turns into. I mean,
it finally goes down that road just about every time.
I'm sure there are some exceptions, but.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I say, and it doesn't stop it. Like it's not
just the adult females, adult women, I mean, it's very
often they get the younger and younger. Yeah, as long
as I think it was like David Koresh or something
in Waco that like was basically saying like if they
if they're able to have a period everything, they're a woman,

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and that was his justification. That's how he rationalized that
in his mind.

Speaker 8 (22:05):
I mean, that's a common thread and a lot of yeah,
people that feel that way too.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, well, I mean, and that's not necessarily abnormal
because there still are a lot of cultures and societies
across the globe who once you hit puberty, you're either
a man or you're a woman at that point, it
doesn't matter how old you are. When you hit puberty,
that's that milestone for them. But it's the way that
it's warped and twisted with a cult leader, that's the problem.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Like that, And it's that same I think that falls
back into the cult leader owning everything happened, to take
ownership of the people as soon as he can.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, exactly. It is more I think about power and control,
just like any kind of rapez than it is necessarily
about the actual act of sex.

Speaker 8 (22:54):
Yeah, I don't think. Well, I'm sure some of them
is about that to sex, but when it comes to
that kind of stuff, I think it is just mainly
dominant and meat as soon as you can well, because.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
To get that done, like their minds are still, so
they're still forming this at this time. These are you know,
the very formative years for a child. So the earlier
you get them and we actually do kind of start
seeing this in like the indoctrination in academia with the
left and everything. That's the reason they're so mad when

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like certain books are banned from school libraries, because it's
not about the book itself necessarily, it's just that they
want to be able to control the information.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Yeah, and the younger they can do it the best, yes, because.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Then that way they grow up thinking that this kind
of thing is normal. So it's very very hard for
them to get out of that mentality as they.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Get older, right, which I mean to be fair, that's
a that's a kind of the mindset on pretty much
anything when it comes to teaching the next generation, if
you will.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Uh. I mean it's like parents, like we do with
our children all the time, Like we raise them in
the ways, the values and everything that we have, and
we hope that they maintain those values throughout their life.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Even in nature and animal kingdom. They start immediately with
the young, yeah, because they know, you know, just earlier
you starting to back. That's that's how you can imprint that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Onto That's exactly what it is, is the imprint.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
But the thing with cults and uh other the various
type people, it's it's always a perversion of some sort.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's an abuse of that ability basically, which I mean,
that's what terrifies me, especially about a lot of the
cults that we are going to talk about on down
the line, is because they do seem to target children overwhelmingly,
or you know, the younger people in the group. It's
it's a lot harder you the ones that you see

(24:55):
leaving are the older adults that are able to recognize
say this is you know, there's something not right about this.
We need to get out of this.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:04):
And I think that's another reason they like to these
cult letters like to breed new followers. It's because they
got them from birth at that.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Point, Yeah, exactly, which is absolutely terrifying. And we're going
to kind of see this in the case that we're
going to be talking about tonight, because we actually are
seeing this kind of ideology being presented to children younger
and younger and younger.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
Yeah, tonight's case or or discussion, I guess, is disturbing
to say the least. But it's actually goes hand in
hand with a movement that has been crammed down all
our throats for the past four years.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Especially, it's really ramped up the last four years.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
And if you look at the past couple of years,
you see the violence in this particular group really spotted. Well.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
We also we did that episode not long ago where
we talked about how like the rhetoric and the ideology
and everything that we're seeing from leftists and Democrats and
everything is actually causing people that are already kind of
on the edge mentally, like they've got some issues going on,

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and now we're seeing them act in increasingly violent ways.
Like we had that murder suicide just a few months
ago where this man was absolutely convinced after Trump got
elected that we were turning into Gilead, and he killed
his wife, two of his sons or a step son
at least one of them was a step son, I think,

(26:46):
and then himself to save them from this, which is
absolutely terrifying because we are seeing a rise in mental illness,
and I think that that kind of this ideology that's
pushed so heavily by the left is almost praying on
these people. I think that in a way they're almost

(27:09):
hoping that these people are starting to act on those views.
And now with this case tonight, I mean this is
something we mentioned, like we are going to see these
types of people do these things now.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Well, I think you mentioned the mental illness part. I
think that in the eighties when they started changing the
rules when it comes to mental illness and the way
we approach it. I get that what they was trying
to do made sense in a up with people top attitude,

(27:44):
but the reality and yes, there was some things that
needed to change in the mental treatment of people with
mental disabilities and issues and something, yes, and needed help.
But the way they just gutted it and completely changed
the rules in the eighties, that vacuum and then it
was like mental illness it went from being something that

(28:08):
I won't say shameful, yeah, because you didn't if you
if you had a family member to had mental illness,
you sit on somewhere to get help. You didn't talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, it was taboo almost.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
But now when all that come out, which was horrible
treatment in a lot of these big facilities, and it
needed and it needed to be fixed and address and
taken care of. But they they've done such a ready
shoot aim mentality of it, and they started changing the
way we talked about it and approached it to be

(28:44):
a little more dignified and and and acceptable and all
this stuff which needed to be addressed. But again they
take it so far, and I think that is what
really started.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
You see it becoming trendy.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Yeah, I think that's when it really started. This changed
in the mindset on mental disabilities. And then throughout the years,
like you just was saying, it's become trendy to be well,
none one become trend to be a victim, right, And
then they decided, well, racism is really not that big
modelity anymore, so we were gonna have to start cranking

(29:17):
the back up and making racism something big so we
have more victims. But in the meantime, let's create some
more victims with the mental illness people. And they it
become a trendy to be a victim, and then the
victims rolled into oh, well i'm gay or i'm trains
run by whatever, therefore I'm a victim now, and it's

(29:39):
just snowballed and.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Snowball victim class within the left.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
So and if you see it in the past several
years where if I'm not a victim, then I'm not
trying hard enough, because that is apparently has become it's
that thinking status symbol to be a victims.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I'm gonna celebrate, and I mean, that's ridiculous I've
posted before. I mean, because I've been diagnosed with generalized
anxiety disorder and I have to take medication for that
every every day because I have tried literally everything else

(30:21):
and nothing is everbody goes through that. Everybody experiences anxiety
like the way yours is, so it actually becomes a
very very big thing. But now that it's become trendy,
like it's not really like an illness anymore. I have

(30:46):
just become this kind of like geeky chic person and
you know, I mean, I'm yeah, but I have to.
I mean, that's a COPD.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
But but yeah, I feel the pain on people taking
your disabilities and trendy, you know. I mean, I'm diagnosed
as being extremely Holland and that's I have to deal
with every day too. And it can be debility.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Is toxic.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Yeah, I'm so hot and talk the masculine that I'm
considered toxic. Now it's something that it's a heavy burden,
I understand. So but anyways we can talk about we
can move into the uh tonight's show if you want

(31:39):
to again to this is the one of front Ports Friends.
It's one about cults, Part two tonight for the rest evening.
We're talking about a cult that is active and we've
just got a report yet today. Well I resought to that.

(32:01):
Thank you talking about it yesterday. For some of the
main characters have actually not all of them, including leader
now so that that's pretty good. Well, we'll get into that.
But if you want to talk talk about it, this one.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
It actually I remember the night that I read about
it because I was scroll when I was I was
doing my writing for Twitching, so I was looking for
my next story, scroll on Twitter and everything, and I
come across from New York Post Post article written by
Andy Know, who is mister Andy Know n g O

(32:38):
over on x and he has been covering this extensively.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
Andy Andy on YouTube as well. Yeah, and he's got
I'll be.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
The only one talking about this because I remember when
I came across the story story, I even like hollered
at you. I was like, hey, you know, does this
not sound like something straight out of a Hollywood movie.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, so do you want to interview somebody? Want to
play that first video for just let him do it.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Let's go to the video we got from Andy know
himself on his x page and it's about an eight
minute video, but he does kind of give us the
rundown of everything. I think it's best to hear it.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Just y'all don't know what we're talking about, you know,
get ready because this is real wow. And when I
first heard about it, I thought, no, this is some
sort of Netflix documentary.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Thing laughing about it when I first read about it.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
But it's it's a real deal. So mister Rick, if
you've got that, you can go ahead and queue it
up when you're ready.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Give me just a second because for some reason everything hiccup,
but you just take it to grab it. I had
it stored and ready to go again.

Speaker 8 (33:52):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Just yeah. I mean, we definitely want to give Andy
know All the credit for this because nobody was paying
attention do it up until recently.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
Now y'all may have remembered this order our agent up
got murdered on Inauguration Day and that's that's part that's
tied into this cult right here. But here's this video.
If he wants to go and play it, I let
you Hello.

Speaker 9 (34:28):
This is an update on the trans Terra cult group.
Ladies and Gentlemen, they got him. The leader of the group,
Jack Z's Leasta, was apprehended alive in western Maryland on
the sixteenth of February. He was found with Michelle's ageco.

(34:49):
The two of them were armed and they were in
their box trucks, and a third mount Bring named Daniel
Blink was apprehended as well. According to the charging document,
the three of them drove the two box trucks onto
a man's property in western rural Maryland and asked if

(35:10):
they could camp out on his land for a month.
That man made the right decision in contacting police because
alleged members of this group killed one of their other
landlords in California. So when state troopers responded, Daniel Blank

(35:31):
first complied he was in one of the vehicles and
one of the state troopers stayed with him, and Zajko
and Leasota were in another box truck and they refused
to follow orders to come out, and eventually, as the
commands kept escalating, they did come out. Zajko was observed

(35:54):
with a firearm on her belt and she also had AAMO.
Both of them refused to identify themselves. They were told
that they were on trespassing on private property and they
were hoping to just be let off and go, and
perhaps under most circumstances would have happened. But the FBI

(36:20):
is finally on this case, and so there were internal
notices that were sent out. Law enforcement across the East
Coast in particular, were on notice that there were members
of this group who have been at large ever since.
The FBI began investigating. Following the deadly shootout in Vermont

(36:41):
in January. Michelle's ageco refused to comply to put with
her hands behind her back, and they were taking them
into custody because they wuldn't identify themselves. Reading through the
court documents, Zajco was taken to the ground and arrested.
All them were taken in and you'll see in the

(37:02):
booking photos that Zajko has drastically changed her appearance. Spoken
to a source who knew where she was living before
she went to Vermont before the shootout happened, She jack
Lysota Felix Ophelia about Colt, who's the German national that died,

(37:25):
and the Seattle woman named Theresa Milo Young Boot Before
of them were living together for months at Airbnb units
in Chatham County, North Carolina. That's exclusive to my reporting.
Michelle Zajeco appeared to pretend to be dead in her

(37:45):
booking photo, which is something that you may remember that
Jack Lysota did a couple of years earlier when he
was arrested. According to court documents, they refused, they gave aliases,
refused to give them reeds, and they were conclusively identified
through the internal identifying documents that the FBI had given

(38:08):
out to law enforcement across America. It's difficult for me
to state how relieved I am at these arrests. I've
been reporting on the case for over a month and

(38:32):
it's been one of the scariest stories I've done, just
because members of this group have allegedly disappeared people and
killed people who somehow get in their way. And I
was putting my face out every day bringing attention to
the story. And I'm really glad now that some in
the legacy media has finally paid attention. I mean, how

(38:55):
do you not pay attention to a Trantifa tear miracle
linked to six violent deaths. Of course, they're continuing to
omit key parts of the story, like the fact that
transgenderism was very much part of the ideology and also
leftist politics. That's inconvenient to the narrative. In fact, some
of the reporting were just use the preferred pronouns, so

(39:17):
you think that these are just a group of violent
extremist women or something. I can also give some exclusive
details of what happened at the court hearing that happened
on the eighteenth of February. This was their first court appearance.
Some keynotable parts. Jack Lesota at one point said that

(39:42):
he proclaimed his innocence and question why he was even there.
He didn't believe that he should should have been apprehended
at all. Michelle's AJCO at one point had an outburst
when her public defender misgendered her. Michelle Za is a
biological female and identifies as trans non binary and uses

(40:08):
they them pronouns. She was misgendered as he In court,
all three of them were denied bail and actually, you know,
I was kind of holding my breath because they've been
initially charged with miss essentially non violent misconveanors in Maryland,

(40:33):
firearm offenses, trespass, obstruction, resisting arrest. Normally, in those type
of charges, particularly in Democrat states, you just get let out,
released on your recognizance. You know, you just sign a
statement saying you'll show up to your next court hearing.
There's usually not even a bail. However, because the FBI

(40:57):
is finally aware of this case and has been aware
of it now for a few weeks, all three of
them were denied bail. But this is not the end
of the story. There is an upcoming trial for two
in their members in the Bay Area, California, in early April,

(41:17):
and this is the trial that's in jeopardy because the
victim in that case, the eighty two year old man
Curtis Lant, was assassinated last month and he was the
only witness to the attack that happens several years earlier. Also,
there are other members of their group who are at

(41:39):
large for reasons we don't quite know. They may have
left the group, they may be off the grid. Because
there's a lot of law enforcement focus on the Zizians
right now, and so this story is still developing. I'm
very committed to it and thank you for your support

(42:02):
in reading my reports, in following my Twitter post, my
ex posts. If you like this type of original reporting,
you want to support people like me. It's a lot
of work.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
It's a lot of time.

Speaker 9 (42:15):
They dig through court records to request court records that
I span multiple different jurisdictions, so it's a whole patchwork
of trying to piece this together. If you want to
support my work, subscribe to me on this platform, and
my website is www Andy Dashango dot com.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, so this is one that again, it really has
not gotten any traction. Like I even broke it for
Twitchy when I came across the article from the New
York Post that he wrote.

Speaker 8 (43:00):
Yeah, it wasn't getting any mainstream attas at all until
that border guard and that border patrol agent got murdered.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And again that one that murder was on an inauguration day,
like they just the border patrol was just trying to
stop the car and then they opened fire on them.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Yeah, the Canadian national that got killed, there was a
German nation. German national got killed, and they think that
they was going and this is just speculation and because
there's no proof of it, they think they was going
making a run towards that border because that German nationalist

(43:39):
was illegal.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think they were here on like an HB one
or whatever.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
It is, and all that had run out and was illegal,
and speculation is that they was trying to get that
German national across into Canada, across the border, and then.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Border patrol tried to stop their car and everything, which
is when they opened fire. And again that happened on
Inauguration Day. But even then, like when I first read
the story, like I had not heard a peat about it,
and I follow pretty closely with the news and everything,
but there was not a word about it. Like I

(44:14):
didn't see it on Fox. I didn't see it on
like CNN or MSNBC or you know, any one of
the alphabets soup agencies like you just you did not
hear about this. And I think it is because and
let me see if I can pracete this right, because
there's a lot to it.

Speaker 8 (44:33):
It is a.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Militant leftist, transgender vegan cult. And they call themselves the
Zizians because Jack WITHSDA, the leader, went by the name Zizz,
which to me is one of I think that's incredibly stupid.
But these are also people. They actually did have some

(44:55):
that I think identified as like the z zer, the
X or X or you know, so I think that's
absolutely ridiculous. But these are actually alarmingly well educated people,
Like overwhelmingly there are some of these people that have
gone to like technical schools. I can't remember if one
of them was at m I T at one point. Oh,

(45:17):
but I mean something, these are highly educated people that
are in this in this cult right now.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
You know, college is an indoctoration in the most part
too now, And I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
How many are transgender or anything. But like, okay, Michelle,
one of the ones that was just arrested, it was
her parents and guys, I'm just doing the best I
can with pronouns, y'all know me. I'm not going to
misgender these people. And by when I say that, I
mean I'm going to actually appropriately gender them to the

(45:48):
best of my ability. But for the most part, like
I'm just going off names. So in general conversation, it's
gonna be her, yeah, whatever, So.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
We'll get it wrong here and there, just in conversation.

Speaker 9 (45:59):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Michelle's Dachko. They actually want some of the victims of
this cult were her parents. They murdered her parents.

Speaker 10 (46:09):
And that was Richard and Rita Zachko. Yeah, and that
was in December, December thirty first. Yeah, they were in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
I think it was Delaware County, Pennsylvania, but I don't
remember the town right now.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But yeah, and I don't know a lot. I need
to do some more digging into those murders because that
was a wealthy family, so I'm wondering if it was
financially motivated.

Speaker 8 (46:39):
Well, well, I want to find out too, I think
because at the time of the murders, that Daniel, the
one that just got arrested in this clip, the one
with the beard and the glasses. Oh yeah, it's written
down right there. Daniel orthor Blank, Daniel author Blank was

(47:02):
Michelle Zadsko's roommate living in the living in the house
where the parents got murdered. So they were looking for
not only Michelle, but this Daniel kid too as a uh,
primary suspect in those murders. And now they have the
Daniel kid, Yeah they blank. They have him in custody now.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
So Richard and Rita were executed. They were shot in
the head in their hot execution style. Yeah, let me
see I have something. I've got my twitchy article up.
But a person by the name of Maximilian Snyder who
applied for a marriage license to Teresa Milo Youngblute, who
was one of the shooters of the border.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
The one that had the one that survived the shootout
with the Border patrol agent.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yes she survived. The German Man died in that shootout.
But this Maximilian Snyder, I think was actually connected to
the purchase of the gun that was used there, because
that's how they tied the Border patrol agent's murder to
Richard and Rita's murder because it was the same gun.
So there are a lot of moving parts to this

(48:12):
story currently because again this is this is happening right
now as we speak. I mean, these people they've got
court dates and everything. They've just been arrested. And you
saw Alisoda Ziz has apparently a really bad habit of
faking his shots.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
Well, he had been arrested before for on some trespassing
charges earlier, and he faked his death in his mouth
shots for that kind of stuff. He was arrested and
then released back on his own recognigiss and then while
he was before his trial come up. He died in
the boat accident. Him and one other guy died in

(48:53):
a boating accident. So they are known to fake their
desks to apparently not very well to get Oh they
said that he was seen several times after the fact
on death.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I mean, I'm sorry, you're going to drop off the
face of the earth, Like you got to completely change
your appearance. You got to do all this.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
The group was living off the grid kind of because
what they would do is they would they had these
box trucks and I think there was a picture of
one of them in the video, but they had to have.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
The caption superimposed on it because they were using Starling
for their Internet.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Yeah, they had these box trucks like U haulked style,
big box trucks, and they would retrofit the the back
of the truck for living off the grid and nothing luxurious.
They had some places to sleep, They had big containers
full of water that they would use for bathing and things,

(49:49):
and they would go to people's to these campgrounds. They
would go rent parcels of land and they would just
part these trucks on the land and they'd live out
of these trucks. Now the trucks had some solar panel
arrays for electricity. They had Star Link mobiles for internet,

(50:15):
so I mean they had luxuries when it comes to that,
but they were technically off the grid type people, you know.
That's how they got around and was staying under the radar.
And that's where that eighty two year old, eighty eight
year old man.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He was eighty two, Curtis Lynde was his name.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
And that's where California, and that's where the Bay area,
and that's where he first comes into the story because
back two thousand and seventeen, wasn't it he had he
was he had rented these this Zizian group some land,

(50:57):
some property for them to set up their camp, and
he was he was on record saying that he had
a bad feeling about him, but he was going to
give him a chance, you know, because they were all
young and up to that point they hadn't heard anything,
so he's gonna let him stay. Well, complaints come up,

(51:19):
the terrible smells from the area, and they hadn't been
paying their agreed upon rent to him, so he went
down to basically you victim. And then that either that
same night or the following day, he was attacked by
two of them with a sword and they cut him up.

(51:43):
I mean they massed him up real bad. He lost
his eyes saw like just.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
A quick glimpse in the video by and you know
he showed the hospital photo after that initial attack. Now
Curtis survived that attack.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
Yes, he survived that attack because he carried a hand
gun on him and he was able to make enough
distance between them that he was able to open fire
on them, hit one of them, and then they got
away from there and they packed on up. They left
his property at that point and disappeared again. I think
the one he shot he killed, if I remember right,

(52:18):
But it was all self defense, right, But he survives that,
files his report. Two of them get arrested. That was
that case. They were talking there at the very end.
They get arrested and they're actually in custody now waiting
to trial in either March or May.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And he was said to be the key witness in
the trial.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Not only was he the victim, but he was the
only witness to it, and he was willing.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
To testify against them and everything.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
And on.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
January seventeenth this year, they actually have another member of
this electrical everything actually attacked him in the street and
killed him. They assassinated him in the street in California.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
So yeah, and you can say whatever you want to,
whether it be revenged or whatnot, but it was to
keep him from testifying one percent.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean his scars and everything, like the photos
after the attack and whatnot. I mean, now these people
are going to have like murder charges against them because.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
A man is dead now, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And for the January seventeenth murder anyway, it was attempted
murder for the first attack that.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
They're up for. Well, they depend on how the laws
is out there. That probably that's all they'll ever get
is attempted to murder on them to because somebody.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Else find somebody else ended up actually, but.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
It'd be interesting to see what kind of judge they
get out there where they throw it all out or
not because the witness isn't around you.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I mean, that is California.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
So so we've seen that, we know the two parents
were killed, he was killed, the Border patrol agent was killed,
and there's two more murders that's involved with this cult
as well.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I said, these are the prominent ones that again because
the Border patrol agent was connected through ballistics to the
Zagco murders, appearance of Michelle's Zachko.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
Yeah, but a Border Patrol agent being killed what finally
got death.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Beyond involved, and they actually still kept it kind of
quiet too, and they you know, put out like internal
reports through police departments throughout the country, like to be
on the lookout. At least as far as when I
wrote my twitchy article, there was an active manhunt for
Michelle's Ageco at that time. So, I mean we've had

(54:45):
a couple of really good updates. I mean, Michelle was
one of the people arrested.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
There was a man hunt for the blank guy too.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody that was this unknown associate
of them. I think that there was just kind of
a blanket.

Speaker 8 (54:59):
And the leader, Zizz, there's a man hunt for him too,
because he when they cut when they went to when
the FBI got involved. They followed up on the lead
in North Carolina to one of the campgrounds where they
were set up, and they actually saw Zizz the leader.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah, Jack Jack Jack Wisda.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
I think they saw him the leader there. They wasn't
able to apprehend him, but they made a visual uh
sighting of him, and they realized at that point, hey,
dude's still alive. We have confirmation, visual confirmation, so they
up the band hunt on him as well.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
At that point, I'm trying not to laugh because she's
snoring a lot.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
Yeah, or ditsy bump stock did see there? She's she's
all stretched out and enjoying the show.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And if y'all can hear her snoring, we're sorry. She's
quite loud with that.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Yeah, she's a.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Beauty, and she's Grace is Grace.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
She's prettier than a lot of those ladies and cult
right there. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Ladies very loosely there.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
So But anyways, they what's that?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I said to be fair?

Speaker 8 (56:22):
So were they so just saying that's true?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Michelle? Actually I think Andy says a biological female, but
she identifies as trans non binary.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah whatever, that means, same thing with the Anthony or
and the Arthur Daniel blank, Yeah he was he does
by non binary or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I need to know how this works. Like non binary
I can at least understand, and transgender I can at
least understand what those two terms mean. But to be
transgender means that you are identifying as a certain gender
and non binary is not a gender. Yeah, Like it's
that weird like limbo area in between genders for them,

(57:10):
and that's.

Speaker 8 (57:11):
What they want, they don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
But how do you be both of them at the
same time.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
No, they're not both of them, They're neither of them.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Is that what trans non binary means? Is that way?
Does the terms negate each other At this.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
Point, it's basically whatever they feel like at the moment.
I think that when when they get to be trans
non binary, that means they're open to be offended by
either way. They have the right to yell about either way.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, about any of it.

Speaker 8 (57:39):
Yeah, Okay, it's just whatever they feel like at the time.
You know, you can't be making logical.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Let's say, I'm trying to apply logic to something that
is not logical.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Yeah, you're trying to put sandity two insane people.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, I mean, And that's where like I was kind
of tying in with our conversation about like the rise
of mental illness and everything, because okay, yeah, gender dysphoria
is also in the DSM. It is a diagnosable mental illness,
and not every person who suffers from gender dysphoria ends
up being transgender. But the way they used to work

(58:13):
was if you were transgender, you did suffer from gender dysphoria.
But now you don't even have to have gender dysphoria
to identify as trends like they are turning everything. It's
new speak from Ight nineteen eighty four. That's exactly what
it is, new speak, double speak, because you can say
one thing and then mean the entire opposite of it

(58:36):
now in their minds, and I can't make sense of that.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
Well, since you're bringing up books. It's in the Bible too,
where all things that are good will be called evil,
and all things evil will we're called good. They're gone speak.
They're gonna twist it around. Things that are pure will
be perverted. And that's what's happening. It's not just in
this particular case with transgenders or whatever. It's across the board.

(59:02):
That's what's going on. I mean, you look at.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Traditional look at just about anything going on in the world.

Speaker 8 (59:07):
Yeah, traditional marriage and stuff is shunned.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Now, the nuclear family, they're the whole communist socialist left
is trying to dismantle the nuclear family and you know,
destroy that whole dynamic and everything and rebuild.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
So it's a it's a celebration of perversions. It's basically
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
But I mean, yes, I would say that these people
definitely are mentally ill, but I don't think that they
actually any of them have genderness.

Speaker 8 (59:35):
For you, now, I think I think what's going on
that you're hitting on it too, which I was eventually
going to. What's going to bring up is the trendy
ness of it. I think their places stand out and
in their part, they're getting that attention that they want.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, you know, I mean even to it kind of
goes back to that old cliche. Even negative attention is attention,
and that's all they're wanting is attention. I don't care
if it's positive or negative.

Speaker 8 (01:00:02):
Well, it's it's it's two point has been celebrated for
so long, this escalation of insanity us going on and
acceptance of it. It's got so popular and accepted now
that nothing's taboo anymore, and that they so that means
to get that next level of attention, they have to
ratchet up one more step, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Getting a continuing escalation.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
I don't know how much further we can go, honestly, Yeah,
you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
This also ties back in to colts like trying to
reach the younger generations at earlier and earlier ages, because
now we're seeing you know, those books that the left
is screeching about, Oh, they're banning books and everything. No,
we're banning the books that are like teaching children how
to masturbate, teaching them how to perform oral sex basically

(01:00:54):
on dildo's and everything for a transgender person. And you know,
all these just hedonistic like unnatural things. They're trying to
normalize that now to children.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
And they're also teaching them how to hide those things
from your parents and your guardians as well. Yeah, exactly
to do it in secret because your parents of them,
they would understand they're the bad guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, and I mean this, that's something like we've even
told the Tiny Tyrant, like, if anybody is telling you
to keep something secret from the people you're closest to,
whatever they're trying to tell you to keep secret is
not good for you, Like it is unhealthy. It's not
it's not gonna be anything that is ever good for you,

(01:01:40):
because if it is something good, you should be able
to talk to the people you're closest to about it.
I mean, God forbid, if she ever did come out
as like transgender or something. No, we're not going to
enable that. We're not gonna hate her either, but we
are gonna get her the necessary help.

Speaker 8 (01:01:58):
Yeah, we're gonna treat it for what is right. But
that's the thing, like I said, we just like with
any other cult, if you're can get them young enough,
you don't have to They don't have to work so
hard traund because you're starting in smaller increments at younger
ages and it just becomes a natural, learned process for them.

(01:02:19):
And that's what we're seeing with the story times and
libraries in these books like you're talking about and stuff,
and you can see it working out in this cult
that's going on right now. And I think it's it's
a movement that is demonic and at the level of
of you know, and I'm not trying to be edgy

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or anything using that word. I honestly think it's to
get to the point of being spiritual warfare happening to
our kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
We've talked about our faith quite a lot on this
show and everything, like all y'all is no surprise I
think to anybody listening that we are devout Christians. So yeah,
I mean stuff like this is in our minds at
one hundred percent of demonic influence in the world, because
you know, the Bible does say that Satan has dominion
over the earth. So it's this just kind of is

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a natural progression of things.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
And it's hard not to get you know, depressed or
feel anxiety over what we're seeing because because of our
beliefs and because of the things that we know is coming,
we know it's going to get worse. Now, we'll take
times throughout the next few decades or whenever the end

(01:03:39):
time is where it will seem better things will slow down,
but it will come back and be worse again. And
it's going to continue to get worse as a whole
until it's over with. And but luckily we read to
the end of the book, so we know it's gonna
turn out.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
But again, it's it's ugliness. You see it happening that
the most innocent of us being children, they always seem
to tack after the children. Yeah, and that's just because
that's the most pure thing, and evil hate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Sepurity, so it needs to warp it to destroy that purity,
that innocence, yep, And I mean that's what terrifies me.
I mean we're we're parents and our daughters a teenager now,
which is a rough age for any kid, because I
mean you are kind of coming into your own your
learning who you are and like trying to find your

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place in the world and everything, and we're so you know,
it's terrifying to think that how easy it is for
someone you know, her age fifteen, sixteen to seventeen, you know,
on up into early adulthood and everything, how easy it
is and tempting to listen to this ideology because they

(01:05:02):
package it very nicely. I mean, it's very well marketed.
I will give the Left that it is very well marketed,
because they're saying that if anybody rejects this type of stuff,
like we reject the idea that somebody could change genders,
because I'm sorry, you just can't. But now they're saying
they hate you when they say that they want you

(01:05:24):
to die, they don't want you to exist. That's extraordinarily
appealing to very young, malleable children, like, because nobody wants
to to hate anybody, to want to kill anybody, unless
you're just warped that way anyway, so yes, it is
very very well marketed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
Well, you've seen it in politics. Toe you see people
cave and all the time because they don't want to
be thought of as mean. Yeah, and it's because it works.
People don't want to be thought of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
That's what I've always said. I would probably Donald Trump
is obviously the most hated Republican, Yeah, I think in history,
but I think I could if Yeah, he never was,
and he's really not a conservative. Whole different issue though,
But I've always said that if I were to go
into politics, I would probably be the second most hated

(01:06:15):
because I've fled out. Tell him, you're gonna call me
a racist anyway. You're gonna call me a homophobe anyway,
You're gonna call me a transphobe anyway. So I'm just
gonna do what I have to do, what I got
elected on, and you're gonna go ahead and say all
those things anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:06:30):
And that's that's just gonna be it and refreshingly. So
I've sent a few people in Congress, in the House
and and even local level finally just saying you know,
enough of it. Yeah, you're gonna call me this anyway.
So I'm just gonna own it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
My favorite one to date was that clip of Matt
Gates or whatever when that I think it was a
female reporter asked him like, what would you say to
the people who are going to be offended by that?
And he just shrugged and said be offended then. So, yes,
that's exactly the mentality that I wish more Republicans would adopt. Okay,

(01:07:06):
you're going to be offended no matter what I do,
so just go ahead and be offended. That's not my problem, right,
But politics, like circling back to the cult thing. I
think nowadays politics is the most mainstream cult there is,
right or left, because there are fringes on both sides
that it is extraordinarily cult.

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
Like right behind college football Agrey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, I mean, they're just those people that they turn
this into like the center of their existence. This is
their core identity, is like this this small niche group.
But I think politics, and again on left and right,
kind of exploit that and they want to keep it going.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
So, I mean we're seeing that so much more of
these last decade at least especially, or maybe it's just
you know, with the Internet and everything, maybe it's just
more visible to us now, because I'm sure this kind
of dynamic existed before the Internet, but I mean it

(01:08:12):
just it absolutely amazes me. On again, on both sides.
I'm not picking on the left here, I'm not picking
on the right here, because I can show you, like,
you've got the cult Trumpers over on this side, and
then you've got these diehard left this on this side,
the vogue blue No matter who, people cult mentality on

(01:08:35):
both both ends, and all the rest of us lay
here in the middle or even kind on those outside edges.
We're all like the normal people saying what's wrong with you?

Speaker 8 (01:08:46):
And to be I mean, just to balance it out.
There's a lot more on one side than there is
on the other, but it is on both sides. And
like I know earlier was talking about Donald Trump, I
think he could be a cult leader if he wanted
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
He is very charismatic.

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
He has the personality for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yes he is, I'll go ahead and say it, and
probably pins off some diehard Trumpers. But he's very narcissistic.
Well yeah, I mean he always has been. We knew
this about him ages ago.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
Yeah, and I don't I mean I voted for him,
and I think He's who we need in the office
right now. I'm not mad that he's a narcissis.

Speaker 10 (01:09:24):
It works.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
We need somebody like that right now leaving the party.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Because he is the one right now saying you know what,
just be offended then.

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
And I know I said earlier with Republican thing like that.
The reason I did that is because we all know
his life on Democrat. The only reason he's the Republican
now is because a Democrat has shifted so far to
the left. Even Elon Musk has said it too. He
hasn't really changed conservative by it, I said, they haven't
actually changed their political standing. It's just it has moved

(01:09:55):
so far.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Well, want to share that mean so much like the
these people like him have stayed exactly where they are
on this line. But the Democrats that far left have
shifted further and further and further to the left. They
look far.

Speaker 8 (01:10:09):
Right right and now. But I have noticed Tulsi. I'm
not sure about Rfk Junior yet, but Trump Musk those
kind of people who were Democrats, and the Democrats ran
off so far and just was really showing their true colors.
I think them being the high you know, the ones

(01:10:32):
most publicly recognized, and well, obviously he's president now. But
I think the more that the that the left ran
away and they started being comfortable and embracing the new
Republican namesake, I think you actually do see them sliding
a little more to the right naturally, because they're realizing,

(01:10:53):
like now that they're in it and they're part of it,
there isn't realizing like, hey, these people aren't wrong. You know,
we got a lot more in common over here now
than we did even before the left right away, But
now that we've been accepted by the right, we realize that, hey,
you know what, we fit here better too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
So one thing I've always said to is that people
like us on the right, we know we're not going
to agree with everybody one hundred percent on everything. You
and I don't even agree one hundred percent on.

Speaker 8 (01:11:25):
Everything because they're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
But for the most part, like the Tall season, everybody,
they're at least willing.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
To have a conversation. That's That's what I was saying,
is like, yes, the left ran awake, and they say
they didn't move the left right away, but I actually
see them moving now more towards the right. So will
they ever be a conservative like us. No, I don't
think so, but I could see myself voting for the
Tall season. People like that a lot easier now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
You know what I mean, Especially if the Democrats keep
putting up the type of people they keep putting up,
like It'll be a lot easier to hold my nose
and vote for somebody I don't agree with on everything, and.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
It helps to be able to look at TULSI what
I vote for too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
A lot of people feel that way, I mean, and
I actually understand it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:13):
Yeah, like I get it. And rfk JR. That's a
different show. We'll get to that letter anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yes, I think like identity politics, I would say is
more the cult aspect that ties into all this because
again this tonight's episode, the Zizians is a militant leftist,
transgender vegan cult. This is entirely centered in identity politics.

(01:12:47):
Like on then that's that has become a cult over
the last few years because it is this very core
group of the type of follower that buys into that
ideology because it does give them that sense of belonging.
They get their groups now that they can identify with
and they can relate to, and they get that sense

(01:13:08):
of belonging, and the Democrats would be would fall into
the leader category because they're praying on this and the
exploitative nature interpersonal exploitative like tactics basically that they're using
and you're getting that long they absolutely the Democrats are

(01:13:34):
one hundred percent exploiting their base for votes. I don't
think most of the Democrats necessarily believe in half the
stuff that they talk about, but they know it's going
to make these people vote for them and keep them
in power and keep worshiping them essentially.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the thing. They've been doing
this for decades and decades and decades, so they know
exactly how to do it. They do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, I mean this kind of stuff I think. I mean,
I'm I'm younger than most people you know that we
talked to. But this has been going on, Like I've
noticed it more the last decade or so, but this
has been going on. That's the whole reason, Like Barack
Obama got elected the first time was simply because he

(01:14:18):
was black man. I mean, that's what that boils down to.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
And I think that's there's game plan with uh Kamala too.
They wanted a black woman female.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Are you are you.

Speaker 8 (01:14:32):
Leaving getting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:14:45):
So sorry about that. Apparently I muted when I was
messing with the dog. Now, what we were saying is
that the the cults can be tied into Republican or
Democrat either way. You see a lot of it there,
and we're not trying to turn this political or not
or nothing to match.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
It's a modern day example.

Speaker 8 (01:15:05):
Yeah, but you see a lot of the tactics thy Yeah,
were talking about how the victimhood of it. I mean,
you can see followers. They can follow a cult, they
can follow a cult leader, they can follow a Republican

(01:15:26):
or a Democrat or something along those line. Football coaches.
I made that jokingly earlier, But people as a whole
want to follow and look up to somebody. They want
to be a part of something, and honestly, most of
them want a leader because it's easier for someone else
to tell them what to do and they don't have
to make decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Well, I mean, and I get that too.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
That's I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
A very mundane example I can use just like when
I ask you in the tiny tyrant, like what you'll
want for dinner? Because I don't want to have to
make the decision, y'all, just make it for me. I'll
make what every one you know, but this that's again
a very mundane example, but now take it to the extreme.
You know, they need that person daily to tell them

(01:16:12):
what to believe, how to behave, who to hate, who
to like.

Speaker 8 (01:16:18):
I mean I make a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, I mean I have a meme and I make
a joke. Sometimes that's it shows like a blank TV,
but on the screen it says, you know, I tell
you what to think, I tell you who to love,
who to hate. And that's exactly it. Because these all
of these people, and I mean everybody to a certain extent,

(01:16:42):
but followers of the type that we're talking about take
it to an unhealthy level because yeah, I mean we
all kind of do that, Like what are we supposed
to be outraged about today? So we turn it on
our favorite news channel? You know, we all do that.
I mean us at twitchy we make a living doing that.

(01:17:05):
And you know even with kl R and a lot
of our shows do touch on the political. So yes,
we're also our our hobbies are our daily lives and
everything are centered around this. But again, with a leader
follower cult situation is taken to such an unhealthy level.

Speaker 8 (01:17:27):
Well it's magnified. And that's the thing with the cults too,
is once again what we talked about last week. It
starts off kind of acceptable, and then it takes out
one more step and it's like I don't like this,
But then they'll bring you back into it, and it'll
escalating in this and these baby steps until you're so
far deep into it. It's brainwashing really.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
But this shit like Jim Jones and everything, it didn't
start out with you know, the commune and everything in
the kool aid. It didn't start out that way. Started
out he was like a civil rights leader in cal
or was it Berkeley or something someone like that in California,
I don't know, one of the hot beds of like liberalism,

(01:18:13):
but it was those first steps, like you get the
people locked in because you're a civil rights activist, you know,
you want the best for your community and everything and
the people in it. So you get all these people
following you. Then you kind of you know, ch into
a different theory kind of or you know, principle, and
they're like, okay, well this, you know this other one

(01:18:34):
was reasonable. This one doesn't seem like a reasonable either
it is baby steps with them. Cult leaders are extraordinarily
patient people.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
Yeah, well they take it, you know, one step at
a time, and once they get out hooked set in,
you have to set the drag just right and real
them in a little bit at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Or it could be like the the boiling water and
the frog analogy. You know, if you try to if
you bring the water up to a boil and you know,
trying to throw a frog and he's gonna hop back
out because it's too much. But just set him in
there and turn the heat up just a little bit,
a little bit more. Every time he'll bowl to death
before he realizes.

Speaker 8 (01:19:14):
This is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Right, So, I mean that's exactly how cult leaders are.
They're very very patient.

Speaker 8 (01:19:23):
Yeah, I was noticing on the chats here it says
that yes it is flavor aid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yeah, that's just kind of the cliche, you know, But.

Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
I like here, what Will says is I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be a pass if he ever barkts to
Maga kool aid, I wouldn't put it passing magakool aid.
And yes, I buy it just to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I was about to say that actually because you know,
everybody on the left calls him like a cult leader
and maga people, are you know, in a cult and
all that kind of stuff. It would actually be genius
if he did it. It would be hilarious too. It
would be like one of the ultimate trolling things.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Twist on orange.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
That's all I'm saying, Yes, exactly, it has to be
an orange.

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
Yeh. The gene pool filters are broken and need to
be replaced. That's so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I'm like, okay, like Dwight on the Office, like it's
time for another play.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
That was Andrew Now we it kind of strayed away
from the trans the transcold. Yeah, what do you call
it Transfica or something? Trantifa Trantifa.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, And keep in mind because Andy No actually suffered
a brain Hemmerher's brain bleed after covering like the earlier
riots in like twenty sixteen through twenty twenty and everything
when they were putting quick crete into like milkshakes and
they threw it at his head one time, like he
had showed photos of himself in the hospital and everything

(01:20:55):
after this happened, like he has been viciously attacked by
the left. So I absolutely am understand why this was
such a scary thing for him to start covering because
he is, he's putting himself out there. People know what
he looks like, I mean, and they're obviously willing to
do great, great harm.

Speaker 8 (01:21:16):
Yeah. And I said, he's already been attacked once and
this the Zizians have already proven that they will murder.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah, people will absolutely kill it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:26):
And he was for a long time the only one
really talking about this publicly. So yeah, he was honestly
think he was taking his life in his own hands
doing this, you know. And he even mentions it there
that that video we watched where he was relieved that
these people were finally caught because he was actually stressed
about it, feeling some anxiety about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
So I mean, you can't really blame him either, But
there is still more work to do. There are still
I'm guessing this is probably a lot bigger than we
realize as far as like number of people involved in this.

Speaker 8 (01:22:03):
I actually think opposite. I think it's smaller than it
is because I think it was growing and it was
getting tractioning. But it seems to be the same player
names repeated over and over.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
I mean, that could be your core group, like you know,
I think Bakes Watson and the girls and everything with
the man's.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
Yeah, I think they were.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
The family was big.

Speaker 8 (01:22:26):
I think they were definitely trying to get recruits in
all cults do. Yeah, But I'll be honest with you,
that's a hard sell because which part is more annoying
to transpart or the vegan part or the you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Know what I mean. Yeah, we kind of hit like
a bunch of typics there that are just insu.

Speaker 8 (01:22:46):
The only thing would make them worse if they was
crossfitters too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
That based on some of the pictures we've seen a
doubt physical fitness is a high priorities.

Speaker 8 (01:22:57):
Saying, not one of them that was doing any kind
of crossfitting, and they and I guarantee all of them
what was in vegans. Neither there was somebody eating the
damn Big Mac. I promise you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
They wasn't always eating Danny Lyons and crab like that.
They lied. I think we got another clip, but I
don't even remember what the clip's about now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
It was actually the Fox News interview because it is
now finally making his way into the mainstream. So Fox
News interviewed Andy.

Speaker 8 (01:23:27):
Now, well, we've seen the of course, Andy know's got
his YouTube and his ex channels and andy No dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
But I don't know if he still has this podcast,
but it was called the More You Know spell like.

Speaker 8 (01:23:40):
His last name in Jia. But the uh A N network,
one American news network had interviewed him a couple of times,
and then finally he got a Fox News interview as
well some primetime Fox and we got that clip too,
and I said, I don't remember exactly what he's talking about,
but here idiots.

Speaker 11 (01:24:02):
A group of transgender computer scientists came together not to
build a website, not to introduce a new app, but
instead to join a violent cult. Three members of the
trans vegan group known as Zizian have been arrested on
charges including trespassing on private property, and that was in Maryland,
where they were apparently hiding out. They were also charged

(01:24:24):
with possession of a handgun in a vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
That's not all though.

Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
They've been linked to the death of Curtis Lynde.

Speaker 12 (01:24:30):
Richard Zodko, Rita Zojko, and most notably Border Patrol agent
David Malland, who was killed in Vermont back in January.

Speaker 11 (01:24:41):
Joining me now is Andy No. He's the senior editor
at the Post Millennial who's been reporting on this, Andy,
I know you've been following this group for a while.
I've been reading you online. What led to their arrests?

Speaker 9 (01:24:58):
Well, they have been the leader, Jack's Lasoda had been
on the run for several years, and at every step
of the way that he was caught in different jurisdictions,
he was let out either a no bail or bail
that was lowered in the case in Pennsylvania where a
five hundred thousand dollars bail was lowered to ten thousand

(01:25:18):
in twenty twenty three, and he disappeared for a couple
of years until he was arrested with his two comrades
over the weekend. What happened is that, according to the
court documents, the three of them drove their box trucks
and this is how they try to live off the
grid onto rural property that happened to actually be private

(01:25:40):
property in western Maryland, and the property owner alerted police.
State troopers came up, and they would not identify themselves. However,
fortunately the FBI is finally on this case now. Even
though they're Hommon's sizes have been going back to several
years and law enforcement on the coast do internally have

(01:26:02):
photos of these suspects because there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Have been look at him.

Speaker 11 (01:26:05):
I just want everyone andy, I'm interrupting, but this is
like demonic. The face is demonic.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:26:14):
This looks like something out of a horror movie. Is
that Daniel Plank we're looking at on the on the left?
Gus Is he the I'm not sure if he's the
his name is not on the thing. He looks demonic,
like he's on some type of I mean, not if
he's on hormone, person drugs or.

Speaker 9 (01:26:32):
The person on the left is Jack Lesotho, who's the
alleged leader of this group. And you know, you describe
the appearance of some of these members as looking demonic,
I would describe some of the crimes that they're accused
of as being demonic. You could say an elderly couple
that were killed in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, were shot execution
style in their homes on New Year's Eve a couple

(01:26:55):
of years ago, and last month, one of the Soul
witnesses to an upcoming murder and attempted murder trial to
and their members, had his throat slit in the Bay
Area of California. So you know, I FBI dropped the
ball on this because the killings go back to twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 11 (01:27:16):
Well, we certainly hope the FBI.

Speaker 12 (01:27:20):
Does the does the justice that should.

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
Have been done a while ago on this because we
have dead Americans. Andy as always thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
Yeah, that was kind of just him in his own
words talking about what we've been covering too. And again
we are heavily relying on Andy Know's word and reporting
on this because he's really the only real big voice
out there talking about it. And we reached out to

(01:27:53):
him to see if he could come all the night,
but he wouldn't able to make it or anything like
that because you know, he's on Fox News.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
You can't. That's why I say I didn't expect him
to want to be on a little tiny podcast.

Speaker 8 (01:28:05):
No, I told him. I told him he didn't have
to turn his camera or anything on. But he, you know,
if case, he was fitting a little bit shy, but
he didn't answer back, So maybe next time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah, well, I mean we're definitely going to keep up.
He followed me after my twitchy article about this case,
which was a huge deal to me, Like you can
ask him like I about fell out of the bead.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
Yeah, but yet for sure follow up, keep it and
just not just on this vegan trans cult. Andy does
some great reporting on across everything, and when it comes
to being a journalist, I think he's one of the
best out there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I say he's very straightforward, it's very objective.

Speaker 8 (01:28:48):
He's usually right as well. He doesn't say he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Does not report something that he can't necessarily confirm. So
he has always been like.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
Spot on solid guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
Uh. And there was something else too that we had mentioned,
the trans vegan What does that mean? Trans vegan?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Does that mean the putting those words together.

Speaker 8 (01:29:13):
Like transsexual or trans vegans? I mean they're vegan, but
they can't eat meat or are there a meat eater
that wants to be vegan? Well, the hot no identifies
as a cucumber.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Is that the carnivores that identify as herbivores.

Speaker 8 (01:29:31):
That's what it is. That makes as good as sense
as anything else or doing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Like I said, I've really got to learn to stop
trying to apply logic to something that isn't logical, because
it frustrates me.

Speaker 8 (01:29:44):
Mm hmm. Yeah. When they went from having a couple
of genders and a couple of pronouns to say, like
there's one hundred and seventy four different genders and all
that stuff. I mean, we can give you some And
when they start getting so ridiculous with this stuff, it
becomes a joke at that point. And it's just, I mean,

(01:30:07):
they're actually going against their own interest here by going
so far extreme with these things. And that's just in
general conversation, just caught themselves. I don't think they're actually,
like I said, I don't think they're actually believing that
they're trends anything. I think they're just latching onto this
as it's the trending to do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
All using the code words to allow them false outrage.

Speaker 8 (01:30:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, that way again. They can use like
Andrews saying, they can use these quote unquote code words
and all these they can say the right things and
label themselves the right things to afford them to say
themselves protection from the left, because the left will fall
all over themselves to protect these people because they identify a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Certain It goes back to virtue signaling. The left overwhelmingly
would rather be seen as a good person than ever
have to actually do anything good.

Speaker 8 (01:31:11):
And here you've got this group that is thankfully somewhat disorganized,
but actually murdering people and no telling else what they're doing,
but killed at least four, probably six, and the mainstream
media wouldn't even touch them because because the way they

(01:31:32):
was labeling them.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Saying it was leftist ideology and with transgender people, so
they didn't want to touch it and risk being seen
as Yeah, because I mean, that's what they're going to do.
If you don't fall in line, they're going to label you.

Speaker 8 (01:31:49):
Something, some sort of bigot or something like that. I
don't know what the what it is at this point,
but they'll come up with some sort of hate field, bigotry.

Speaker 11 (01:31:58):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:31:59):
That's Miko, he's joining us now apparently he has something
that he wants to share with us.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Now he's just John Mama's boy.

Speaker 8 (01:32:09):
But the uh, this group, the like I said, the
key players have been arrested. I think this time they've
actually done enough that they won't be able to walk
out on bail from what Andy was saying, which is good,
and hopefully we can actually get some real answers to

(01:32:31):
what their motivations were, because quite honestly, I think too
in my opinion, this actually works out as a terrorist
group by there by definition, but ideology and everything that
they were, the crimes that they.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Have committed have been politically and ideologically motivated, not religious
or anything. But it doesn't have to be, you know,
all or nothing. But I mean, it could just be
ideologically motivated, that's still terrorism. It could be just politically motivated,
still terrorism. But yeah, it's absolutely at this point the
violence that they're committing, the murders and everything, are terroristic

(01:33:08):
in nature, and so I do I would love to
see the FBI, especially now with cash Betel being affirmed,
throw the Dame book at them. Yeah, let's get them
for everything. Let's make sure these people do not have
a chance to hurt anybody else.

Speaker 8 (01:33:25):
Well, it's been so one sided for so long to
the point of being celebrated and protected class that I
hope that they will once the houses get cleaned and
put in order, that they will start making examples of
these kinds of people. Yeah, not just to trans people,
that these criminals in generals. When I'm talking about the

(01:33:48):
one specifically that they've arrested in this transcorp and then
other criminals that have been just getting to slap on
the risk and sent back out and it's to be
repeat offenders, and then we are called all types of
bad names because we speak out against that. I hope

(01:34:09):
that depends on thus swinging back into the side of
common sense and we do get some justice across the board,
whether it be what I don't care if they say
they're Republican or Democrat or independent or what they say.
If they're wrong and there's some sort of criminal element

(01:34:29):
into it, they need to pay the price for Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Don't put an r D buy that like you. I mean,
if you do these awful things, you need to be
punished for it. Yeah, like we're going to hold you accountable.

Speaker 8 (01:34:42):
Now, this transgender vegan cult was you know, some other
like Colt where it would be they say steak eating
Hunter's clock, you know, hunting court and they were out
killing people and doing all these things that these trans
vegans are doing. I'd still all to be arrested. So
I don't care what what they're what the reasoning is

(01:35:05):
as far as those lines. It just so happens right now.
And in society in general, it seems that one side
are the more aggressive or are more aggressors in these
realms than one other than the other side is neither
side is perfect. Neither side is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
What exactly like.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Other than just kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
The pact mentality and everything and and whatnot, what exactly
does it? Because the cult has a specific set of
beliefs and to my knowledge, Andy hasn't uncovered that yet.

Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
May a manifesto type of thing from them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, I mean they're they're kind of I don't I
can't think of the word now, their creed or something. Basically,
I mean, we don't know anything of that. But with
the leader jack List of getting arrested, maybe he'll start talking.

Speaker 8 (01:36:10):
Yeah, yeah, they that is interesting to see what their
actual motivations are. What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
What do they believe?

Speaker 8 (01:36:17):
Yeah? What did they want? You know? Obviously it wasn't
to be left alone because they could have you know,
that would have been a different tactics taken if that's
all they were after he was actually I think he
was building up for something. I don't think he had
the opportunity to get there though.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
That's kind of scary too, because I mean, there are
probably followers that have not been arrested and whatever they.

Speaker 12 (01:36:41):
Have been.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Speaking to each other about and potentially planning and everything.
Those people are all still out there.

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
Well, mister no had said that they had Oh man,
I wish he was a doctor. If I wish Andy
know had a doctorate, call him doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
But Andy knows, since you guys, since you guys seem
to have a contact for him, I'll draw something up
on Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
And Radio and give him an honorary doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
That sounds good. We'll we'll we'll send. You'll send that
to him. Yes, yeah, we'll do that. We'll send, We'll
get that sent to But uh, he had mentioned that
they are some that's still on the loose or still
on the lamb or what have you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
There are some other associates and everything they think might
have either left the group.

Speaker 8 (01:37:35):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's some that we still
don't know anything unaccounted for, and hopefully they do. And
he even mentions it, hopefully they just disbanded because the
heat come down on them and oh my god, it's
real now we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
May it was too extreme for the Yeah, we're no longer.

Speaker 8 (01:37:53):
Cosplaying now it's real. So they just they go back
to whatever they was doing before. And I'm I can't
to have the feeling that is what's happening. Yeah, I don't.
I just don't have the feeling like it was organized
enough or big enough or number two to take over
and keep the movement alive. But I just I just

(01:38:16):
have that feeling. I don't know why I got that feeling.
I just I just do. And that's my hope anyways,
that it is is disbanding at this point, because now,
if they were involved in criminality, I do want them
to be caught. And I hope that this little Cisi
boys Zizzo starts naming names when they do start putting
the screws too. I would love to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
I mean, you gotta you gotta think. I mean, most
of these people, even if they are narcissist and everything,
that means that they will be willing to do whatever
they have to do to protect themselves. So he'll be
throwing people under the bus left and right. I'm guessing
the minute he gets any kind of heat on him.

Speaker 8 (01:38:54):
Yeah, I have a feeling that's that's gonna be part
of it, because I don't know. Just comparing this Jack
Losado to some of the other cult leaders that we'll
be looking at later, he's not impressive at all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Now he's not as cunning as like the Jim Jones
or like the yahway than yahwey guy, or I mean
Manson was a bit disorganized too, but I mean he
was still way more coordinated than this seems to be.

Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
Now, it's more, I'm gonna use the terminology for cosplaying
again to role playing type stuff. And I have no
problem with people that go to those conventions and do that.
I think it's pretty cool. Actually I won't I probably
never do it, but I have no problem with cosplayers
up front. But when I'm use this terminology of them
cosplaying these roles as transgender people in this cult, to me,

(01:39:48):
it has that feel of of LARPing. Okay for the
most part. Now, they obviously there were some people that
took it way too serious and actually crossed that line
into murdering. And those are some very evil and twisted
and sick in the head people that need to face
the consequences. But I kind of got the feeling that
overall there was kind of some larking involved here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Let's say you got these maybe a group of people
that got together it was like, oh, you know, hypothetical
situations like this is what we would do if this
were to happen.

Speaker 8 (01:40:19):
So I just got this feeling like this cult was
caught into infancy stages and uh, thing's gonna get broke
up before it ever got off his feet. Though I
had a potential to get somewhere. Yeah, I just think
it was too disorganized this specific as well. You know,
it's like you've got to be transgendered in a vegan

(01:40:40):
that comes on this. I mean, you're getting too many
titles in the cult and it's just not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Let's say you're trying to check off too many identity boxes.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
So this is a bunch of losers. They got together
and was decided, Hey, this is gonna be fun. We're
gonna get to go out and live in these box
trucks and play on our Internet and be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
And then they got from us by the way, which
to me is just hilarious.

Speaker 8 (01:41:03):
Well, they definitely were the uh that kind of Internet
but the starlink but uh yeah, they and again they
got some extremists in there that did do some murdering,
and uh, I say it like it's knowing that definitely
took it too far with their extremist ideals. But I

(01:41:26):
don't know, I just I just got this feeling like
we uh, that bullet exploded in the gun before before
it actually made a lot more damage than it could have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
And I keep going back to the disorganized where because
we hear that a lot with serial killers are an
organized serial killer or a disorganized one. Yeah, like Ted
Bundy extremely organized, that Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire Guy
extremely disorder ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
But he had to be the most well one of
the most disorganized out there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
But this one there did not, at least so far.
There does not seem to be like this cohesive bond
within this cult.

Speaker 8 (01:42:05):
There's a there's some cliques inside this cult that are
very cliche.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Yeah, and then which is just going to cause strife.
I mean, you're gonna it's ultimately going to break down
because of that, because you know, click A and click
B don't get along and they don't agree on everything,
so it's not going to come together like we normally
think of colors.

Speaker 8 (01:42:26):
Well, these three that was arrested, the Sado guy and
the Blank kid and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Other Michelle, what was I always Zachko Zachko.

Speaker 8 (01:42:40):
I think those I think those were the three main players.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Yeah, and then the onesacho. I think the parents and
everything were killed because they probably were more like us
and was like, okay, well if you if you think
you're transgender and everything, we probably need to get you
a doctor and help.

Speaker 8 (01:42:59):
And if you look at the timeline, that was December thirty,
first twenty two, which was the first killer killings involved
in this cult. So I think that was a that
hole and we've seen it not even related to colts,
that kid lashing out against the parents or whatever, the
guardian and killing somebody like that. I think that's what

(01:43:22):
that was. And then Zadsko in her or its.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Roommate trends non binary.

Speaker 8 (01:43:32):
And its roommate who done the killings, they fled and
found safety in this cult with Lessardo or however you
say his name, with Ziz, and then that's for the cult.
In my mind, just from the timelines that I'm seeing
from Andy's work, that's where this cult really starts picking

(01:43:53):
up is when those murders happened.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
I do think that that was like the catalyst. Basically,
I think that they were actually involved in this cult beforehand,
because again the family was well off, so I wonder
if part of it was financial motivation. They were by
their box trucks and pay their st I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:44:10):
Sure they were involved with each other before the murders,
but I think that murder is what the catalyst that
set it off, the starting to really and it may
have been to get the money to start it to
get on the own.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Yeah, this is all this is all our speculation now
because like we were, like, we keep reiterating, and this
is an active case right now, like new information is
coming out all the.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
Time, so and hopefully we'll see those well I'm not
going to say hopefully, when the case comes out and
we start seeing these details and you see that I'm
right on this, we'll just look back on this day
and realize like, hey, you know, old bump stock Can
was right again, We'll see it even Rhyn's already.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
I mean hopefully each since this is the that we're
doing on cults and we're going to cover multiple different cults, hopefully,
you know, each week, I may have some new information
on this particular case just to kind of give a
quick update and everything before we go into that week's episode.
So hopefully, like we're gonna see stuff really start popping off.

Speaker 8 (01:45:17):
With this one, and well, well they've got them in
custody now, so I imagine they'll be a few days
or weeks even where we won't have much of a
difference unless they start flipping. Yeah, it's flipping on their
other people are still out there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Is the leader to be the one to flip first,
because he's gonna cover his own butt.

Speaker 8 (01:45:38):
Yeah, but as as Andy gets information releases it, we
will be doing the same thing. We'll be following. We're
gonna be following it along with it too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Yeah, I mean, I'll I'll probably even update my twitchy
story at some point and everything now with the new
arrest this week.

Speaker 8 (01:45:53):
Uh but yeah, again, it's Andy No n g O.
It's mister Andy No Mystery m g O on X
And he's got a YouTube channel as well, and you
can follow this just like we have been through all
his videos and commentary and his reporting, and he does

(01:46:17):
a wonderful job and everything it does. But this is
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
That's why we keep like directing y'all back to him.

Speaker 8 (01:46:24):
And we went to you know, we wanted to make
sure that we gave him all the credit because he's
done all the work.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
We're just we're just repeating the information now.

Speaker 8 (01:46:33):
Repeating the information now so, but yeah, to check him out.
And then, like I said, we'll keep you all updated
as we see stuff as well. But as far as
our cult series, we're gonna move away from this one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Next week will be a different one. So I may
put out a poll or something to see which one
y'all want us to cover next.

Speaker 8 (01:46:56):
Uh, Well, before we walk away, let's go ahead and
do the end memorial.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Yeah, we actually we haven't done it in memorium in
a while, but we actually do have victims that need
to be remembered.

Speaker 8 (01:47:06):
Because now we're gonna do the memorial on this show
accord for this cult that we know now. Again, as
updates come on, we may have to add to this,
hopefully not. But then once we do this, we're not
gonna sign off yet. We'll talk about some more upcoming
cases that we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Yeah, and like y'all in the chat and everything, be
if there's a culture you think we may not have
even heard of, or something like, drop it down there
in the comments and everything, because I'd love to research it.

Speaker 8 (01:47:32):
Yeah, the same in the comments now or just on
one of our ex pages are on the front board
springs it's ex page messages or whatever. But go ahead
with the immore. It's a short one, but let's go
ahead and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Yeah, I've only got I think it comes down to
like four four people here, I guess, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:47:51):
There's four known he suspects one of the ones that
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Names and dates for. But yeah, as like comes out,
we will update our im memorium because the as we
always say, these are the people that actually matter to
our show. That's the reason we do this is because
victims don't get near the focus that they need to get.

(01:48:15):
So we just want to stop doing that. We just
want to remember them. Especially so we've got Richard Henrita Zajko,
and they were shot execution style in their home. Maybe
not by their own child, but at least you know

(01:48:38):
the child was involved in that, and as a parent,
that's completely terrifying. They were killed December thirty, first of
twenty twenty two. Curtis Lynde was in Vallejo, California. He
was first attacked when he tried to evict the cult
from his property in twenty twenty two. He survived that

(01:48:59):
at hack, only to be killed just as past January seventeenth,
in California, he was murdered right there in the in
the street. It was out in public again. Curtis Lynt,
he was eighty two at the time he was murdered.
And then we have a David Mayland or malland if

(01:49:19):
I'm mispronouncing that name, I apologize. He was the Border
Patrol agent that was killed in Vermont at the Canadian
border on Inauguration Day. And I think Andy No actually
said that his funeral was today, so he was he
was laid to rest today. I think.

Speaker 8 (01:49:39):
So, Like I said, we always from Port springeents, we
want to remember the victims and the bitchman's families because
they are the ones that really matter. These sick, twisted
assholes that did the killing. May they rot where they're at,
and we want to never give them any kind of
notoriety happen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I say, we've named them tonight and everything, just because
this is an active case and you know it is
worth looking at, just so it's the know your enemy
mentality is. I mean, these were just normal people that
were killed. They were just going about their lives. And
these people, for whatever reason, got it in their head
that you know, they didn't deserve to live.

Speaker 8 (01:50:22):
And so if you're to prey and type then lift
up them their families and stuff. And also, and it
is important to name the nefarious characters in this as well,
because we do want to know who they are, if
nothing else, so we can just wish harm upon them
as we as often as we can. So a bunch

(01:50:46):
of losers, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
I mean, and it is scary to think that you know,
more of these people could be out there and you know,
planning something, plotting. I mean, it is scary. So we
live in a a day and age now where I
think you're head needs to be on swivel way more
than it never used to be.

Speaker 8 (01:51:05):
Yeah, hopefully we're gonna go back to a little more
normalcy here over the next several years, at least the
next four, if not the next twelve. And it's just
a reprieve because like I said, we've read the book.
We know it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
And just keep yourselves in check, and like you said,

(01:51:28):
head on swivel and keep yourself prayed up. But we
are gonna be looking into colts for the next few weeks.
We don't know what it's gonna be three weeks or
six weeks or whatnot. Just really depends on I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Think it depends on which cult we're doing, and probably
did two cults per episode, unless it's like the Jonestown
when that'll be a full two hours itself.

Speaker 8 (01:51:51):
Well, so, like for you mentioned Johnstown, we're gonna be
looking at the in Heaven's Gate and the Manson family
for sure, that the branch Davidians. I want to cover them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yeah, I want to hit the big ones for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
And if I know there's some lesser known ones out
there or some downright weird ones out there, And if
you got any suggestions, please let us know because we
may not be familiar with them, and uh, we like
to learn right along with y'all. So if y'all got
some suggestions or something that's interest to you cult related,

(01:52:23):
definitely hit us up with a message and let us
know that we would love to look into it. And
this show is for us, but it's also for you
guys too, because we want without y'all listening, then it's
just us talking at this talking to Rick through this
video camera, and I'm sure Rick doesn't like us that much,

(01:52:44):
so it'll be good. We want your input so we
can keep the show going and keep you guys interest
and help grow together.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Yeah, we definitely want to grow. Yeah, I mean the
whole reason this is very very laid back. It's not
like what you see on like TikTok or YouTube or
anything like that, because this is what we would usually do.
We would just end up sitting around talking about cases
like this because they fascinated me and I inflicted on him.

Speaker 8 (01:53:10):
Well, I mean, the tiny Tyrants already left, but we
would do this a lot, even instead of watching movies
and stuff, we would wind up doing something like this.
And the tiny Tyrant one of her friends was over
and actually mentioned something about y'all should do a podcast,
and that's really what planning to seed.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
And then Rick, he came to me and everything, wanting
to you know, expand klor and get some new topics,
and true crime was something that they didn't have. So
here we are now, like y'all get to come in
our house and when the weather warms up, we actually
will be back out on the front porch.

Speaker 8 (01:53:48):
But yeah, we again, if this is your first time
we're listening, we are studying on cults for the next
few shows, but we are really about anything true crime.
We do a lot of serial killer match murder, type stuff.
We'll do stuff that is local. Crimes will usually do

(01:54:08):
involve some sort of murder. I mean, we're not gonna
talk about Billy Bob who knocked over to seven eleven
or that weird guy that does stuff behind the CIRCLEK.
We're not gonna be talking about those kind of crimes.
But if it's involved murder or kidnappings or disappearances, things
like that that really peak our interests, we'll talk about them.
So we want you again, we want you guys that

(01:54:29):
peak your interests to share with us so we can
we can expand further too. Absolutely, but you mentioned we
are part of the KLRIN Radio dot com network, and
if this show is and exactly what y'all want, dude,
they've got you covered. There's a plethora of stuff out

(01:54:50):
there already.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Charmed In I was wondering if he was here. So weird.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
Yes, it's weird, but yeah, I mean I can keep
rambling on and push it up to the next two hours.
But if there's anything you want to add on to it,
that pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
I mean, we've covered all our bases and you know,
even then circled back over them again for at least
this case.

Speaker 8 (01:55:15):
Well this case is it's ongoing, but it's short. I mean,
there's not a lot out there. Whereas some of the
bigger name cults coming up, we can really delve into
those a little deeper, and we can have a lot
more conversation with the chats too, because they're well known cases.
But tonight was this kind of I mean we got

(01:55:37):
we was actually getting information right up before the show started. Yeah,
so that's how you trying to get as.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Much current information as we possibly could. But yeah, the
end memoriam for some of these it will be easier jonestown.
I'm not going to be able to do an mmamorium
because there's nine hundred and nine names.

Speaker 8 (01:55:57):
Yeah, we would do the whole show just that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Yeah, but I mean we will, you know, touch on
some of the actual victims names and everything, but.

Speaker 8 (01:56:04):
Probably like the agents on the runway things like that, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
The senator that was killed, stuff like that. But hopefully
we will be able to memorialize a lot of these
victims for a lot of these cases. But again, when
you get into numbers that are in the hundreds and everything,
it's just not feasible to you know, read off every
single name, not at all.

Speaker 8 (01:56:32):
It doesn't make it any less important, but it's just
impossible really to do it in a respectable manner.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:56:43):
So is there anything Rick that you want to add tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Well, there'll be about an hour breaking because I got
to do some work on my internet, But Ordy and
I are doing a.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Makeup juxtaposition to night at eleven, so you guys can
come back with that.

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
Is that eleven Eastern or yeah, okay, leven Eastern tenth Central?
That again. I mentioned kay Laurian Radio earlier and that
just position is another show on there which is at
fabulous show. Yeah. Uh so come back and listen to
them if you want, uh, if you can bring a

(01:57:18):
bunch of people with you, because it's it's it's always
a good time. So I'll vouch for him there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Yeah, yeah, we get vouch for them. They're good people
despite all these weird tactics behind gas stations.

Speaker 8 (01:57:31):
But as far as our show goes, I'm bump stot
Ken on X. That's really the only thing I do
other than help out on front Porch for Insics, which
is f P Underscore for Insics on X. Yeah, are
at f P Underscore for insis on it and I'm he's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Bump Stock can I'm Umpstick Barbie, so that's always easy
to remember.

Speaker 11 (01:57:55):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
In name director of marketing here at klri in and
I also for twitchy. So if every y'all see us
posting articles and everything, go read them because that's the
easiest way to help us make money without actually donating
any money.

Speaker 8 (01:58:10):
The twitchy dot com, right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
Yeah, Twitchy dot com. My author page where you can
find every single article I've written is in my bio
on X.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
So don't forget your audio links or monetized to Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:58:26):
I don't even know what an audio link is, so.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
We have we have lots to learn about this business.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
Yeah, the podcast stuff we promoted at the beginning of
the show, I Got You.

Speaker 8 (01:58:39):
And the preferred one is Spreaker.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
There's programmatic ad revenue that goes into all of those,
So the more clicks you get there, the more you
get paid.

Speaker 8 (01:58:49):
Okay, okay, And it's it's breaker the one that we
lot the best because I like, actually listen on Spreaker.
It's an easy app to use.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Yeah, speaker works, but it also goes out to iheard
Spotify pretty much all of them, so whichever one, anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Else likes to use they all get you all get
ad revenue from those anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:59:07):
Awesome. So yeah, if you can't catch us live, which
I know it can be hard to do, especially on
a Saturday night, uh, spreaker out, uh Spotify. We use
Spotify a lot. I heeart radio anywhere basically that you
can get you regular podcasts. Click us there, follow along
with everybody else on kill our Radio and do just

(01:59:31):
support us the best we can. We support each other
and we'll keep growing together.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
I love that comment. Girl, you sound even more Southern
than I do. Already said once the first time I
was on Toxic Masculinity that my voice was like sweet tea.

Speaker 8 (01:59:44):
For the soul, sweet tea for the h Well, I
think that's about it yet for tonight again, thanks for
joining us. Catches replay on Spreaker, Spotify, anywhere else you
catch us, and uh we hope to see y'all next week.
So good night, everybody nice.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
I like the girl talk all right. I like scary
stories in the morning, and I like am that. I
like my girl talk guys.

Speaker 8 (02:00:23):
They made me feel just right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
I listened to a lot of true crime