FPF 08-09-25 The One About Elisa Lam

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This is my first episode and it's your sweet sixty.

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Oh yeah, I'm ready for this side.

Speaker 9 (04:43):
Like this case is so weird, Like it's kind of
like an Appalachian ghost story kind of weird but in
a sketchy La hotel basically right, that elevator video, Yeah,
I've seen it like one hundred times and I'm still like,
what what's going on in this?

Speaker 8 (04:59):
Like I'm you figure out or at least throw some
shade at the wild series.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
It's a very very strange video. And we'll get to
that later for sure. So tonight's episode is called the
one about Elisa Lamb.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's also the reason it is the one about Elisa
Lamb is because that's the one the tiny tyrant chose
of all the stories, that's the one she wanted to
kick off.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
When I love that she chose this one, though, Like,
this one is so freaking weird. It's got so many
layers to it. There's this young woman traveling alone, obviously
a documented mental illness, like diagnosed, and she's traveling to
a place that basically feels like it's cursed. So kind

(05:45):
of like if this case sticks with you guys.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, tonight we're gonna build a timeline
step by step and let the truth or whatever's left
of the truth, rise up like the smoke for my
Sigar I'm about to lie, so pull up a rocking
chair and join us on our front porch. Tonight again,
it's the one about Alissa, Elisa Lamb. So we're telling

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the story of the building that swallowed her whole as well,
because to understand the story about Alisa, you have to
understand the story of the Cecil Hotel as well. It's
a building that's been watching and waiting and whispering for
almost a century. Actually, they began building it over one

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hundred years ago, on twenty twenty four or nineteen twenty four.
So picture this. There's a hotel out in Los Angeles.
It's a tall, narrow thing of a building built writing
that heyday of prohibition and broken promises and people who

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have all the biggest dreams in the world. Right, this
place smelled lots cigar smoke and whiskey and ambition, but
now it smells like bleach and mold and dark secrets. Uh.
It's a building with way too many windows, but too
many dark corners, and way too many ghosts lurking in

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those halls. Structurally, it's like a rabbit's den. Okay, like
an ant bed. Almost. You got real narrow hallways, you
got blind corners. You got extremely poor lighting. I mean
you can really disappear inside that building.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's like this building was built
that way to like hide secrets, to hide anything. It's
like it was built that way. It was constructed that
design in mind.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
You got to hide people or eat them alive, or
eat them alive. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Uh So over the years, it's been called many things, right,
the Cecil Hotel or just the Cecil, and I think.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
The Cecil was probably what most people are gonna recognize.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's the longest standing name is.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
The state and it's the one that's attached with all
of the stuff that we're going to be talking about.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And currently it's called it's been rebranded, it's named the
Stay on Maine. They kind of hifted it.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Up, you know, or tried to like gentrifyte.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, and we'll we'll touch on that later. But the
people around that area know it as a flophouse, and
it's also nicknamed the Murder Hotel. I just call it
what it is. It's a place where the walls remember
too much. They hide all your secrets and they never
let you forget them.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It was built in nineteen twenty four, like I said earlier,
and it was supposed was designed to be a classy joint,
you know, the top tier. Yeah, the elites exactly what there.
It had marble floors, polished brass, these beautiful stained glass windows.

(09:04):
Oh yeah, I mean it was. It was a high
society building. But well then just a couple of decades
it went from that high society to a high body count.
And people throughout the years have mentioned it and they
still to today. But there's this I don't know, a
heaviness to it and their darkness that clings to it.

(09:29):
And like, for instance, there's people that's jumped from the windows. Uh,
certified killers check in and they sleep like babies.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Oh yeah, we're gonna touch on that too. Like a
documented serial killer has stayed at this hotel, two of them.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, And it's it's almost like, yes, it's a building
of plaster in wood and steel and dry wall sheet
rock and all that, but it's like all those walls
to soak up that bad energy and just just feed
it right back out to society. And we're not just
I mean, like you said, it's not just rumors or

(10:05):
not just haint stories or ghost stories. This actually has
some legitimate stuff, So what do you gut on that, honey.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
So we've got a hotel that's seen better days. The
Cecil Hotel has about seven hundred rooms sitting right on
the edge of what we now call skid row, which
is grime, drugs, desperation stories nobody wants to tell, Like,
nobody wants to hear these stories. They're incredibly dark, they're

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incredibly sad. Really, nobody gets out of skid row unless
it's in a body bag basically. So by twenty thirteen,
now we've got it's a part partly a low rent hotel,
partly a long term housing for people that are down
on their luck. You walk in and it's like these

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walls are talking to you, telling you like all these
these things that have been there before. And like, I mean,
that sounds so weird to say that, because like me personally,
I don't I don't give anything like the ghost stories
or anything. But I do believe that energy collects in

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certain places.

Speaker 9 (11:19):
That's what I was gonna say too, because all those
serial killers that stayed there.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Yeah, absolutely, And I mean just the people who again
were down on their luck, they were addicts. I mean,
they were you know, prostitutes, they were pimps, they were
like what we consider the dregs of society.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, it's just it's not just a serial killer darkness.
There was darkness and sadness and desperation throughout those.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
Yeah, I mean what it's known for nowadays.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Now, I will say real quick, in this early early days,
there was one ray of sunshine to come out of that.
And I forget the guy's name, but he was an
alcoholic who went to the cecil checked in. He lost
his family, right, he went to the Cecil and checks in,
and from all from his own story, he actually says

(12:11):
that he was planning on never leaving. He was gonna
go drink us after death and commit suicide. Right.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Well, that's not like a bright thing.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So while he's there, he runs into a guy who's
also staying at the Cecil who helps him through his darkness,
and them two together from the Cecil actually started the
first alcoholics anonymous in LA Oh really yeah, and they
can't I can't forget the guy's name, but the first

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alcoholics anonymous group in Los Angeles started at the season.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
So the Cecil had a meetings.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
Yes, well, okay, that's going to tie into something I
mentioned later about famous hotels.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
They basically they moved to a different building. I mean
they found it on place.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
It's just that they found each other there.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
They found Deceasel, they had their first initial meetings, but
then they moved on from there. But the first alcoholics
anonymous in La started at the Cecil. So there is
some good energy, but not near enough to carry not.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
To combat what we're going to be talking about tonight
at all. I mean we're talking creaky floors, dim lights,
just an entire vibe that asked, are you sure you
want to stay here? Like if I walk into this place,
I'm probably gonna be like, no, I'll go find somewhere else,
you know. So Alisa, God bless her. This is a

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very young woman. She's on a solo trip. She's blogging
about her adventures. She's live streaming or live blogging. At
this point in our timeline, all of these adventures she's having.
She does not know the history of this hotel, and
she had no idea that she was about to become

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a core part of this history of this hotel. And
as far as this history goes, it's extremely dark, it's
very very twisted. We even have Richard Ramirez, the Nightstalker,
stayed there in nineteen eighty five, and you know, Daniels
mentioned him a couple of times, saying that he believes

(14:19):
as one serial killer that he actually genuinely believes was
demonically possessed. I think you've mentioned another one or something,
but I distinctly remember you mentioned Richard.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Ramirez straight up demonically.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
There's another one. I don't know his last name, so
I'm probably gonna butcher this, but Jack, I think Unter Viker,
who was Austrian. He was an Austrian serial killer. Okay,
he stayed there in nineteen ninety one. On top of that,
there have been at least sixteen officially recorded cases of

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suicide in this building. They either leap from win gunshot
like self inflicted gunshot wounds, they ingest poison, they slit
their wrists, you know something. The sixteen officially recorded cases
of suicides also multiple police reports about mysterious like quote

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unquote falls from windows, they're sexual and physical assaults, overdoses,
bodies found in rooms.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
So why is this hotel still running?

Speaker 6 (15:29):
See that's my question too, because you would think all
this stuff going on, they're gonna be like, you know what,
we we got to at least shut this down and
everything to investigate. But then why are people when they
open back up and everything, why are they still going there?
That's what I want to know, because like, if I
hear this this kind of stuff about a hotel, there

(15:50):
is an absolutely you cannot pay me enough money to
go say of that, because no, like I will cross
the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street to
go around it. Like I'm just I'm not getting anywhere
near this place. I mean, like falls from windows, falls

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from fire escapes, and the stairs. There's one actually horrific
and heartbreaking case where a woman gives birth to her baby,
but in a panic because she thought baby was dead,
she throws her child from the window.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yep, and they, I mean they did.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Find out from the auto off see the baby was
alive at this time, like just whatever was going on
in her mind, she thought her baby was dead and
she panicked, shows she threw she threw her baby out
the window. Like I can't even I mean, y'all know me,
I can't. I can't wrap my brain around that. I mean,

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this list is so long that it reads like I
mean y'all know me too. It reads like a Stephen
King novel, so maybe y'all know the type of hotel
that I'm referring to.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
At this point, it's got to be to Overlook out
of the King's novel of the Shining. I mean, it
has to be the seat now. The Cecial Hotel actually
is also the inspiration for I think it was season
five of American Horror Story.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
American Horror Story Hotel the Lady.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Gaga American Horror Story Hotel is the name. I want
to say. It's season five, but in my opinion, that
is actually a really good season. Overall me, AHS is
hit or missed, but that's that was a good HS has.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Some good ones, and hotel actually really was one of
the good ones.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And it was based on the season because I.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Do remember a distinct episode where they had like a
dinner in AHS Hotel and everything, and you had like
Jeffrey Dohmery, you had Richard Ramirez, you and all these
like prominent serial killers who were dead and everything, but
they like show up in the Afterlife Quota Hotel in
the hotel for this dinner and everything. So yeah, I
really enjoyed that episode or that season.

Speaker 9 (17:56):
Okay, hold up, I was just about to say, like,
this place sounds like a set of a horror movie.
Like I don't understand how people would want to stay
there at this point, Like, if I were to go
to a hotel, I would do my research on it first,
because you never know, it's any hotel could be ske
That's right.

Speaker 8 (18:17):
I'm just thinking like, was.

Speaker 9 (18:18):
Alisa clueless or was the Cecil trying to pass itself
off as normal?

Speaker 8 (18:22):
I'd just be like, no, this place is haunted.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Okay, so yeah, that's Do we think that the Cecil
Hotel is actually haunted then? Because that brings up that
question like is it haunted or is this just because
of where it's located skid Row in Los Angeles and everything?
Do we think that it's just based off where it
is that all these horrible things are happening there.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think they go hand in hand with that, you know,
to how dark energies what you hear a lot of
people talk about being the dark energy on stuff. Yeah,
and you see some of the ghost tutting stories and shows,
and they talk about dark energy hanging around and laxing
onto things.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
The tiny Tyrone just mentioned dark energy building up in
the walls.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
So I think that, of course, I believe it's either
angelic or demonic. There's no ghosts.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Well, as dark as it is, it can't be angelic.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if there is a
presence there, it's going to be the demonic realm, a
supernatural demonic realm. So is it haunted, Not in the
sense that there's ghosts.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
There, I say, not a classic Hollywood sense.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I guess, not like you see in the movie. Yeah,
But so if you want to say a haunt is
a dark spirit like or demonic spirit or demonic energy
energy that is there, then yeah, I would say. So.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
I mean, do we think this could be a hub
kind of like a central point, like a portal type? Yes?
Do you think so?

Speaker 8 (19:57):
Yes, one hundred percent. I think Cecil Hotel is portal.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
Okay, it could have been because I.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Know, like so much of that negative energy has been
pent up in there.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean there's decades, hundred years of it now.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
Yeah, and I think it just collects and feeds off
off of like I don't know how to describe it.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
But it's like energy, you know. Yeah, you mentioned is
it the location being the skid row part.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
You get the drug addicts, the alcoholics, you get all
these people down on their luck and everything, and they're
already highly focused in this.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Area, and it's it's an easy meal for a demon,
if you will, right, because you have that despair, you
have that the drugs that create internal conflict inside of you,
you lose your ability. I'm trying to control yourself, right,

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which would allow darkness to creep in pretty easily. And
I honestly think that demons can possess a location too,
just a person.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
We've got Aunt Darlene in the chat right now.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, yeah, she said Richard Ramirez was known for worshiping saints,
so yeah, I definitely feel like there was something going.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
On with that.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
He actually stayed there for like a month or so,
so he could very well be calling.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
He's one of the ones you've always said that you
thought was it was straight up demonic possession. You thought Richard,
Trent and Chase too, but in a kind of different way,
Like we'll get into organized and disorganized killers in a
different episode one day.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
You think Chase was possessed. I think ra Marius had
sought it out and he welcomed it.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
In a way. I absolutely do believe that as well.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I think it goes hand in hand that, yes, the
super I fully believe in supernatural.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Oh yeah, y'all know us. I mean, we're Christians and everything,
so we absolutely believe in angelic and demonic realms and everything.
We absolutely believe this, So there, it is not out
of the realm of possibility for us to think that
that's what's going on in this specific location.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Now, are there ghosts of these people walking around and stuff? No,
I don't believe that, but I do believe there could
be and likely is a dark presence there.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
Yeah, And I think Ahs, like we mentioned that whole
season The Lady Got Guys season AHS Hotel, which again,
good season, like if you're into that kind of show
or a movie or anything like that. But I do
think that they actually played very very heavily on the
kind of theme that we're talking about, that they're so

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as something in this building that drew these kind of
entities or these spirits, whatever you want to call them.
I think that they were kind of drawn to that.
And yes, you know we're talking about skid row, we're
talking about really unhelpable drug addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes. I mean, again,

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like I said, the dregs of society, This is kind
of what we're talking about. But would skid Row then
kind of be a hub for that kind of thing?
Is that why these people kind of gravitate towards this area?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Maybe I think, I don't know that you can have
I don't know that necessarily one that would cause the other.
But I do think once that relationship, that codependent relationship
starts between the hub and the in the B side,
I think it does feed off each other.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
And we had talked about the codependency in the last
episode last week, actually where it's the person who is
basically enabling the bad behavior is doing so for their
own gratification too. Like that's where the term code dependent
comes off of, because you're dependent on one another, whatever

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that may be.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
So I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
I mean, the Cecil Hotel is in the heart of
Los Angeles at this point, and I don't I don't
know that it's just simply a brick and mortar building.
I do believe that, like down there in skid Row
and everything, this is the husk of sorrow, a place
where the lost gravitate to and some most of them

(24:53):
probably never leave it.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, Quentin posted earlier in the tex says, from the
Eagles you can check out, but you can never leave.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Yes, Hotel California, I mean, hey, it may have been
based off this. It would have been right around that time.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
The time frame would have been right.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
It's in California, I mean the lyrics and everything. Like
you know me, my daddy was big on the Eagles.
That was and that was my mom and dad's first date.
My dad took her to an Eagles concert. I have
all his albums of the Eagles and everything. So Hotel
California was huge, huge part of my upbringing and everything.

(25:32):
And now that I'm actually thinking about it, that could
work really really well for the Cecil Hotel.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I want I'm gonna have to do some research
town Cee because that just fits too well.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
It really does. But yeah, the Cecil Hotel was built
in nineteen twenty four, so it rose up in the
roaring twenties. But get anything that's kind of born in
a spirit of hope, it was just marked by a
shadow that grew longer with every passing year and every

(26:09):
death that was associated with it. Like this isn't just history.
It's a warning. It's carved into the bones of the
city of Angels. And I'm sorry. Los Angeles is the
city of Angels, but it's a city that forgot how
to pray exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, the fallen Angels almost at this point.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Yeah, it is. I mean we look at Los Angeles
even today and it's just such a it's nowhere near
what it was ever intended to be, you know. Yeah, Okay,
So I'm gonna make myself cry thinking about stuff like that.

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I know, I'll grab it. Nineteen twenty four, we're still
in nineteen twenty four. Three men William Banks Hanner, Charles L. Dix,
and Robert H. Shops I think is how he pronounced
his name. They had a vision for this. They poured
one and a half million dollars, and again this is

(27:12):
nineteen twenty four, so that's a lot of money. At
this point. They poured one and a half million dollars
into the Cecil Hotel. They planned to make it a
palace for the highest society, travelers and common city people
that were passing through. La architect was Loy is it

(27:33):
Lloyd Lester Smith, and he gave it kind of a
Beaux Arts flourish and everything. And he it was a
gleaming marble lobby, stained glass windows that caught all the light,
seven hundred rooms, and I mean they wanted to those
rooms to like cradle the dreams of the weary, Like
they wanted it to be a place where they could

(27:54):
come and rest while they aspired to bigger things. And
when it opened in nineteen twenty seven, it was a
beacon calling to the ambitious and the hopeful. But as
we all know, Satan's got away at turning dreams into dust.

(28:15):
And again, like I'm going back to just our Christian
faith and everything. So yes, it's absolutely Satan in my mind.
So the first blood is actually spilled in nineteen twenty seven,
not long after the door is opened to the public.
It was a man named Percy Ormond Cook who was
carrying a heart heavy with family issues. He checked into

(28:38):
a room and ended his pain with a self inflind
a self inflicted gunshot wound to his head. The papers
at the time said that he died that night alone.
And I do think that that despair that he was in,
that just loss of purpose, just stepped into the walls.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
There.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
It was like the cecil itself, took a breath and
tasted that sorrow for the very first time.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, like it just soaked it up. And I mean, I.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Keep going back to like the Overlook Hotel and the
Shining the Stephen King novel, because the Overlook did feed
off of pain, and so there's there's so many parallels
to that. But I don't know, I can't convince myself
that it's that supernatural like in that novel.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Of course, Well that's that's a fantastic version too.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's fictional. You want to touch oberties.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I do want to touch on something now when we
talk about this hotel being the the diamond in that
area when it was built, right one and a half
million dollars nineteen twenty four. The marble, the stained glass,
the polished brass, all this stuff. Now think of it
this way and twenty twenty five money. That's twenty seven

(30:04):
million dollars. That's what they spent on that hotel. The
equivalent to twenty seven million dollars. It's what they put
into that hotel to building not too much, I say,
the tiny tower.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
It's like laughing, like stunned, laughing.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
That's why I wanted to bring that money up, honey. Yeah,
that's why I wanted to bring that money up. That's
a big don't think a million and a half. Of course,
that's a joint number, but when you look at the
inflation and difference, it's almost thirty million dollars.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
I mean we're looking at this, what one hundred and
one years later, from nineteen twenty four to now.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Know a million and a half is basically nothing now.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah. So I mean these guys they took they just
spent twenty seven million dollars. They just spent twenty seven
million dollars basically in nineteen twenty seven, finally opened it
up and they was about to start making some of
that investment mac and then two years later, the Great
Depression comes to Los Angeles.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean the Great Depression, not just in Los
Angeles but literally everywhere else just choke the life out
of everything. I mean, people had nothing. I mean there
were literally breadlines. We all remember learning about the Great
Depression in school? Did y'all ever learn about that? Yeah?

(31:24):
We well, y'all touched on it.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
We talked about it for maybe twenty five minutes half
the class.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
Maybe.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
See, this is why we're glad that we are her
parents because we can give her the more in depth
like history lessons that they don't really touch.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
People that keep talking about all we're on the birds
in the next depression. They don't realize what the depression
really was.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
But then I say, it minimizes what it actually was.
It's the same thing with them doing the whole all
you're a Nazi, you're a fascist. You're now minimizing what
those things are and what they did historically. But yeah, yeah,
we're just two years later. So what in nineteen twenty six,
twenty seven nine, Yeah, the streets around the Seesaw Hotel,

(32:15):
this is about the time it turned into skid row.
This is when these people who had nothing just started
to kind of gravitate and to kind of hang out
and make their own encampments and everything. And that's how
it became known as skid row, which again it's a
place where the broken gathered, where hope is a stranger

(32:37):
and desperation is your only friend.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Here.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
I mean, you're literally just trying to get like maybe
the bare minimum of food and drink, just just say
a lot. They're trying to survive at this point, and that's.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
All they had no money or not enough money really
to pay for things. So the things they had to
do to get by were awful.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
I mean, let's say she's she's kind of looking at
me on this, but.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
You that's say women.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
Women did a lot of things that they had to do,
so did the men just to survive.

Speaker 9 (33:14):
It's just horrible to think about, Like, yeah, I mean
I'm heartbreaking, honestly, it is.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Like it's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
The cecil.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
You know, say, can you imagine having to give up
everything about yourself just to feed yourself or your kids?
Even I mean you got to think these people had
families and everything, they had children, so they're doing things
that they never would have ever considered before. But now

(33:50):
they're just trying to live. Yeah, and the survival instinct
is actually probably the strongest instinct that any organism has,
just the will to live. So this hotel once a
jewel in you know, California's crown, Yease, it has now

(34:13):
become a refuge for these people that had nowhere else
to go, Like a last was work in a way,
that's exactly what it was. Yeah, I mean you have
these transients and the drifters and everything, these people coming
in looking for work, looking for things to do just
to survive. That these are people on the edge of despair,

(34:36):
and they filled the halls of this hotel and the
Cecils shine started to dull, like it just started to.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Go out, and that lot literally was was getting dimmer
and dimmer.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
You know, it's no longer for high society, it's just
for these people trying to survive now. And these people
are also doing things to kind of dull their own paine.
So that's where we get the drug use, that's where
we get the alcoholism, that's where we get the suicides

(35:14):
and everything. They're doing anything that they can to escape basically, psychologically, physically, anything.
They just they don't want to be living like this.
Yeah and yeah, I mean, like you said, baby, it's
absolutely heartbreaking. So the years that follows now there is

(35:41):
just a litany of loss. By the nineteen thirties, the
cecil is collecting suicides like a widow gathers flowers. Each
one is a tragedy, each one leaves sustain Each one
I think, leaves that kind of dark energy behind. So
nineteen thirty one we have WK Norton, who is hiding

(36:05):
behind the names James Willis. He swallows poison capsule, so
he just he od's.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Basically suicide by appeals yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
And drifts into the dark. A year later, we have
Benjamin and I don't know how to reach Doditch. He
ended his life by gunshot. Grace Magro fell from a
ninth floor a window in nineteen thirty seven, and this
bothers me. Her body was actually tangled up in the

(36:40):
telephone wires and hung there. I mean, like a bug
in a spider's web. She just hung there.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
They had to get her down.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
I mean, that's I can't even I don't even want.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
To imagine you're on like the second floor and you
look out the window and you just see you see that.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Yeah, you know, I just there are so many stories,
like you know, we talk about all the awful things
humans do to one another and they do to themselves.
Y'all know me, there's no I The reason I do
this kind of show is so I can try to understand.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
I need to be able to wrap my mind around
it and make sense of it because it doesn't make
sense to me, and it bothers me that it does
not make sense to me. But sometimes there's just things
that I guess don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well like this one. But Grace Magros, you can't. Nobody
knows that she jumped or if she was pushed. There's
just no sense to be made about it because there's
no there's no one to tell that story.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
I say, the only witness to it is dead now.
And this is actually when the hotel earns the nickname
among local people as quote.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
The suicide Ye instead of the Cecil the Suicide.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
So by the nineteen forties, the Ceco Hotel was not
just a place for the desperate to end their days.
It was actually a stage for horrors. I mean that,
please Satan, I think very well. Oh yeah, I mean
you know he's got to be watching all this and
thinking this is my design.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh yeah, got that big old green on his face.
He knows. Ways.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Going fast forward, we're in nineteen forty four. Dorothy Jean Purcell.
She is only nineteen years old, so Katherine, she's only
three years older than me, Yeah, three years older than you.
She wakes up in the night with pains that she
didn't understand. She didn't know she was pregnant, she didn't

(38:46):
know she's alone in this room. She gives birth to
a baby boy, and again she did not know she
was pregnant. She thought her son was still born, so
she threw him out the window and the body actually
landed on the roof next door.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, oh god.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
Again this is one of those things like I even
though I know that it's happening and everything, but I
can't make sense of it.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
I don't understand how she didn't know if she was pregnant.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Though.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
That actually happens more often than you think, really, Like
there's actually cases of women like just thinking they're having
stomach pains and they give birth on a toilet somewhere
and they're like, I had no idea I was pregnant.
Usually those women are like pretty severely obese, so like
they would to show or anything, and they always saw

(39:47):
the kicking or anything that was indigestion.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
Maybe so was Dorothy.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
Like I don't know, I don't know anything. I don't
know anything about her. I only know she was nineteen
years old. She didn't she was pregnant, but of course
she gives birth and this is a complete surprise to
her because she had no idea. So you've got to
think this teenage girl barely older than you are barely

(40:18):
older than you are. She has now given birth to
a baby that she didn't even know she had. I
guess he's not crying, and that's maybe why she thought
he was still born.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
He could have been blue or something too, because.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
I said there could have there could have been well
I don't know any details about this delivery or anything. Yeah,
there could be a lot of reasons that she thought
he was dead. But to throw him out a window,

(40:52):
I don't know. I can't. I can't make.

Speaker 9 (40:55):
Sense, Like I don't understand it either, like sets in
the moments.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
I say, you've to be terrified in this moment, and
like you said, you don't even know you're pregnant. This
is pure panic at this point, Like, Okay, this other
human being has now come out of me. I don't
know what to do. I was not expecting this, and
I can speak from experience. Those labor pains and everything pains.

(41:21):
She didn't understand it, says, Yeah, if you don't know
that you're pregnant, those pains, like you don't understand why
your body is feeling like it's being ripped apart right now.
She probably thought she was dying. She has no pain
meds whatsoever in her system. I'm assuming because again she's
in this hotel, but now there's this baby.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Boy, can't wrap your mind around how she would do that.
And apparently the police couldn't wrap their mind around that either.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Yeah, the law actually they try her for murder.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
The jury calls it insanity, which is something that I've
mentioned before. Insanity is not actually a psychiatric or psychological term. Exactly,
it's a legal term for someone who, at the moment
the crime was committed, they did not have any comprehension
whatsoever right and wrong, right like she at this point

(42:21):
probably would have. And I can kind of see this
then insanity, please, Yeah, I can absolutely see her say,
like she didn't know she was pregnant. Yeah, she's in
severe pain, probably for hours on end. And then yeah,
then there's this baby, and she had no idea and
maybe he wasn't making noises.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Maybe he wasn't breathing or something.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Maybe we have no details on this whatsoever, but in
her mindset, it seemed I guess rational at the time
for her to throw this baby out the window.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, whatever her mind was that moment, that's the route
she chose.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
And to me, like I would not be able to
convict her for murder because I don't think that that
was for first degree murder. It has to be premeditated,
it has to be intentional. I don't think that she
had that capacity in that moment.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, the jury they did say that she was legally
insane at the moment, and they sent her to a
insane asylum.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Yeah. Yeah, she was sent to a hospital. And I
mean we could say that that's a story that only
the Cecil Hotel would whisper to itself. But I mean,
obviously we're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, the truth of that story belongs to Cecil and Cecil.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Alone because just whatever happened in that room in that moment.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And we talked about the supernatural aspect of it though
you since you mentioned the Cecil whispering that story, Cecil
could have been whispering her ear or it is what
to do. Maybe you're talking about the if we do.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Take eating like the whole demonic aspect of this. Yes,
I mean absolutely they could be in her ear and everything,
telling her, look, you got to do this, you just
you got to get rid of this body, you know.
But again, this little boy landed on the roof next door.
I mean, I for one thing, I can't even fathom

(44:24):
it as a mother, and especially on your birthday right now, ever,
imagine doing something like that. But now put your place,
put yourself in the place of the people next door
seeing that. Yeah, Okay, you can't cry or I'm gonna
start crying.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Well, let's move on. Then get off that story and
we'll go to the next one.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Okay, So allegedly what we have no confirmed proof of
this one, but this is kind of an interesting little anecdote. Allegedly,
it is said that Elizabeth Short, who was the Black Dahlia,
she actually was drinking at the Cecils bar before her
body was found in nineteen forty seven. She was, as

(45:12):
most people know, she was cut in half. Her mouth
was sliced ear to ear, like yeah, the most horrible, the.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Most horrible grin, joker, but all the way to.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
The ear, the most horrible grin you can ever imagine. Now,
no actual proof ties her death to the hotel in
any way. No, It's just that's kind of the lure
and everything that she actually did, like was seen drinking
in the cecil hotel bar. I don't know if the

(45:48):
Cecil if we're going to demonograph, I don't know if
the Cecil Hotel needs proof of anything to claim us
all though.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
But.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Yeah, just the black Doll is going to be one
we cover too. But I mean, her soul lingers right
there in California. It's amazing. You mentioned it before, how
many serial killers and just murders and everything seemed to
come from that coast. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Well, like you mentioned, and the Cecil can lay claim
to a soul without them even staying there. It's kind
of the lord, if you will, of the hotel. It
depends on how much weight you want to give it.
But either way, there's reports that she was in the
bar multiple times, and there's no reason to doubt it

(46:41):
because the area is correct, the time frame is correct,
it's still a decent place to be, so they it
makes sense that she would she would be there at least, yeah,
to some extent.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, I mean, she was trying to make her name
in Hollywood at the time.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
So if the Cecil Hotel claims souls like they say,
then it would make sense that it may have played
part because they never have found a person who killed her.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
No, that's still an unsolved one.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
It could have been somebody she was drinking with at
the bar, very.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well could have been. I mean, we've had suspects over
the years in that one for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But either way, the cecil, the walls there, they breathe
with the grief of the lost, and she's one of
the lost.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
That's I mean, just that close proximity yep, by itself.
I mean again, if we are going this kind of
demonic row like me, and you tend to believe that
it probably is. You got to think that there's probably
like a radius here around the hotel and anybody can

(47:52):
be like sucked into that.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah. And the thing is is that if the Black Dahlia,
if it's tied to the ceasel tell at all, the
darkness may not have been on her, but at the
killer somebody else at the hotel that followed her out
or whatever that could.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Be that time, I said, maybe it was somebody staying
there or something.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Either way, she went through the hotel and then she
died in horrific manner.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
I mean again, it still brings me back to the
whole story of the Overlooking the Stephen King novel likes
it really does, like like she was saying earlier, like
it seems like something straight out of a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, And the thing is, it is like sure that
one there's no justice, there's no proof, there's no lot
of proof of what's going on that she was involved there,
but there's enough proof outside of her that you can't
ignore it.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
So there's circumstantial stuff. Yeah, absolutely, So, well we're in.
We're gonna fast forward what nineteen.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
Sixty two say?

Speaker 9 (48:53):
So In nineteen sixty two, Pauline Auton twenty seven she
weeped from the after a fight with her man, her
fall taking the life of George Jenny GIANNIANII pass her
by below.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Okay, so wait, she jumps, she commits suicide after a
fight with her lover, but in doing so, she lands
on somebody else and kills him to Okay, So yeah,
apparently the police thought it was a double suicide until
they saw Giannini's shoes still on his feet. Because one

(49:34):
of the big things with suicides, especially by jumping off
something they take off or their glasses, like if they're
wearing glasses, they take that stuff off. I don't know why,
Like it doesn't make sense to me, Like if I'm
gonna if I'm gonna unlive myself by jumping or whatever.
I'm just gonna jump, like I don't care what's on

(49:54):
me at the time.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
You have the quote from the police is is quoting
now says, you see, jumpers don't keep their shoes. It's fine.
They decided that it was in the double suicide.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Yeah, so at this point again we're going back to
the demonic thing. The Cecil Hotel does not care. It's
just still adding bodies at this point, adding souls. That
same year, so nineteen sixty two, Julia Moore jumped from
the eighth floor, and in nineteen sixty four someone nicknamed

(50:29):
Pigeon Goldie Osgood. Yeah, they said she was a kind
hearted telephone operator who fed birds in the Pershing Square.
She was found raped, stabbed and beaten in her room
at the Cecil Hotel. The killer was never caught, so
her murder is now added into this storm cloud above

(50:53):
the Cecil Hotel that just won't break exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
And again they don't know if it was a date
someone followed her in another person who was staying at hotel.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
But she was killed in.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, there's just no leads on it.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
Yeah, Yeah, that's another unsolved one to this day. Okay,
so by the eighties now, I mean we already talked
about it being a haven for the desperate, but this
is a place where no one asks any questions. Bloodstains, screams,

(51:27):
they're a part of this long, dark, just ever looping song.
It's a song that plays on repeat at the Cecil Hotel.
So at this point, I genuinely don't know how you
can't say that there's not some kind of demonic influence
going out.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I mean everything we've touched on from the twenties all
the way now to the eighties, we touched on a
handful of cases, but you got to understand there was
countless numbers of police reports throughout those decades about rates
and murders.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
And assault sides and beating.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, we just we just scratched the surface of everything.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
We didn't even scratch the surface. Like we just named
like a handful, Like there's so many more that going
into this.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
And just think that's just the reported issues. Can you
imagine what didn't get.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Yeah, because again, these are people who are on the
outskirts of society. They're doing shady stuff just to survive.
A lot of them when something bad happens, they're not
going to report it to the police because they don't
want to get in trouble for what they're doing either.
So there is probably so much more than has gone

(52:37):
into this that no one knows about.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah. So, like so now we're like in the eighties
at this point, and this is where people I think
would recognize this name. It's probably the most in my opinion,
the highest I guess, the most infamous guests at the seacul.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Yeah, he would probably like if they wanted the elite,
I guess, and he's elite, just in not the way
that they ever intended. But nineteen eighty four, Richard Gramirez
the night Stalker. He takes up residence on the top floor.
I mean, this is now this hotel, this room is

(53:18):
now a den for a man who would go on
to kill thirteen and leave tremendous trauma and terror across
the state of California. He didn't even care. Like that's
the reason he was not caught for so long because

(53:41):
his rapes and everything. He was an equal opportunity rapist
and killer. I mean we're talking from as early as
like maybe ten or eleven years old up to like
eighty five, he did not care if your door was unlocked.
He was going in. He felt he was welcome. You

(54:02):
were going to be a victim, so he is. In
nineteen eighty four, he takes up residence on the top
floor of the Cecil hotel. It's reported that he was
actually staying here. Sometimes, even with bloody clothing, he would

(54:23):
still come back to the hotel blood still wet on
his clothes. He would toss him in a dumpster out
back before climbing the fire escape in nothing but his underwear,
and according to some actually verified witness accounts, sometimes he
was actually completely nude. Like his clothes were so like
he couldn't get by with it, so he just dumped

(54:46):
them and went back up into the room buck naked.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, the reports say that it wasn't uncommon. It's not
an everyday occurrence, but there wasn't in common to see
him walking around and just his underweares, some times completely naked.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Right, I mean, but that also does kind of track
for what we know about him, and again, he'll be
an episode that we absolutely are going to do in
the future. The Cecil by this point is just chaos, junkies, drifters. Yeah,
nobody even blinks at this point.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
By these people dn't anything to cause alarms.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
So now, and how bad does it have to be
that you see this naked dude and maybe even have
blood on him walking around and you're like, can that tracks?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, it's none of my business, so in my blood?
So I'm not getting involved.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Yeah, now, Okay, Ramirez again, he's just kind of another
shadow in the streets and in the halls of the
Seacal at this point. He's actually caught in eighty five,
convicted in eighty nine. But I don't know. I think
that if he was demonically possess like you believe he was,

(56:02):
I think that something in that stuck two in his hotel.
The demons have to latch onto something.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Physical could at some point, you know.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
Right, Okay, So we've got the Jack Unter Viger Viger
in nineteen ninety one, who is Austrian. He's we talked
his way out of a life sentence in Austria. Yeah,
and then he obviously left Austria. Some have alleged that

(56:38):
he chose the Cecil Hotel to mimic Richard Ramirez because
he was stalking the skid row for prostitutes and he
strangled them with their own brass.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I think that was just a weapon of convenience.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
Oh, it absolutely was. I mean he didn't take anything
with him, like, they just had the braw on and everything.
And when he wanted to kill him, he just used
that because it was there already.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
That's one way to do it.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
There. There have been a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, so you probably.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
Don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So that's just a just any prostitute each other listening
right now. Just remember, don't wear a bra and that
might save your life one day.

Speaker 8 (57:21):
Don't be a prostitute at all, Orty.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
I know you're listening, Ortie. You can't use that behind
the circle, k excuse.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Me, tiny tyrant. We don't judge lifestyle choices.

Speaker 9 (57:33):
Sorry, guys, Sorry, if you're a prostituted.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
I'm sorry. I apologize.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Okay. Anyway, this Jack unter Veger or intervider. He kills
three women here that we know of, Yeah, that we
know of while he stayed at the Cecil Hotel, and
his crimes were kind of a grim echo of Richard Ramirez,
the nice talker. He was convicted in Austria, like Daniel said,

(58:03):
but the same night he hanged himself in his cell
and left the cecil to carry that weight and everything
that stain of his crimes there.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, what happened is he was arrested here and because
he had sweet talked to his deal in Austria, to
Austria considered that, you know, he renegged on his deal,
so they went ahead convicted him of his crimes there
in Austria too. So not only was he guilty here,
he was going to be sitting back to.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Austria to stand to be extradited.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
So he hanges itself in his cell here before he
gets sent back to Austria.

Speaker 6 (58:38):
And see to me, that's like, yes already I do
know your life. Shush, okay, but yeah that's our daughter.
By the way, I give that one about a four.
That's fine, excuse me, okay, but no countless police reports

(58:59):
from literally everything running from like burglary to assault to
rape to murder and everything. The Secoe Hotel has so
many stories to tell.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
Anyways, let's move on to Aldisa Lamb, the reason why
we're here tonight.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
Honestly, this is probably the most unusual case, or at
least most well known. Alisa is twenty one and she's Canadian.
She's I think she's in college and in college.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Yeah, Canadian, Canadian? How are you doing this to me?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Because she's a bad influences.

Speaker 8 (59:44):
She's a college student. She's big.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Perspective.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
I have no idea what he said.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
He said influence, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (59:55):
So she's big on blogging Tumblr like that early two
thousands internet vibe.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
She's really smart.

Speaker 9 (01:00:02):
But she's also very open with how she's struggling with
depression and bipolar disorder.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Didn't she actually make videos that she would post online
talking about her struggle?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, it was it was just posts, yeah, okay, so
she would add some pictures to it that it was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
So she's just traveling by herself in California, Like she
went to San Diego and then she's here in La
and she books to stay at the secoul But if
the cecil was so creepy, then why would a young
woman to choose to stay there at all, much less alone? Yeah, Like,
this is not a five star resort. It's a place

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with a history darker than Wednesday Adam's form. Where what
kind of place was Lisa walking into?

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
I don't know did she did? She know? Because it
doesn't seem like they were advertising their bad history. I mean,
obviously not. But now it's in again. We're talking about
skid Row in Los.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Angeles now in her one of her blogs on Tumblr. Uh,
they're still up if you do so, you have to
search them out, but you can find and one of
her blogs he's talking about when she first gets to
LA that she's walking down the street and she sees
the Cecil and she says, that's an interesting looking place.
I'm gonna say they have any availabilities. So she wasn't

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at the cecil originally in LA. She saw it, but
she saw it, she got into it. Yeah, she was
interested in it. And then she moves and goes to
the cecil.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
It's that pack energy.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
It'll suck you in. I mean it has to. I
mean good energy, bad energy, whatever it is. If you're
susceptible to stuff like that, like.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
Any energy will come to you and drag you wherever it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
But I guess maybe with her bipolar and her depression
and they made it easier for her. But I say,
maybe that's what drew her in. Maybe that dark energy
that or those bad vibes, whatever you want to call it.
I mean there's obviously something very very off about this hotel.

(01:02:16):
But again, this is a very young woman, I mean
very young, she's traveling alone. This is a really bad
area of Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, now, they were trying to rebrand at the time,
so I'm sure they was trying to clean up around
because this is right around the time they change the
name to The Stay un Maine, and it was.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Kind of trying to they were trying to gentrify it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, they was trying to bring in a younger crowd
and trying to breathe life back into it the best
they could.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
Or either they were unwittingly giving more souls to the
seasil like maybe us. Again, we can't. I'm not going
to rule any thing out on this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Like so, I mean they were definitely not advertising the
bad parts. They were actively at the time trying to
make it prettier than it was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Right, And I don't think hotels have the same rules
that like real estate agents have for houses, like they
have to tell you if a murder took place in
the only.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
If you ask. The hotels have to do that either way.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. We'll have to look up
on that because I don't know that they have that
same rule.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Now, a lot of hotels actually advertise that hoping to
getting the ghost Hunter group.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Coming, you know, yeah, I mean that would be kind
of a draw. So yeah, Alisa, she books a room
at the season hotel is a budget option, and like
Daniel said, back then, part of the season was rebranded
as the State on Maine, which was kind of like
a budget hostile.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Basically, what is a hostile.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Well, that's one of those things, like especially if you
go overseas, is for people who are traveling from different
countries and everything. It's a lower budget option for them
to have a place to stay, like get some out
of the elements if they don't have anywhere else to go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Is that like where they have got to bump beds
and multiple people in the.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Same room sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, yeah, like a room share almost.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
Yeah, young travelers, backpackers, they this one at least they
marketed like a quirky, affordable option. But the history again,
like you said, was not on the brushure, Like they
did not advertise that. They did not tell these kids that.
So she's sharing this hostile style room. So yeah, there

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are multiple people in this one room, other guests actually
started complaining about her behavior, so she got moved to
a private room after a couple of days, and that's
where crap kind of goes wonky here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Thank you wonky, to say the very least. So Elisa
she checks in on January twenty six, twenty thirteen. She's
posting on her blog. She's calling her family every day,
as as she was supposed to do. She seen the side.

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She's actually like a regular tourist, would you know, just
being a young tourist. Well then I said that was
on the twenty six, so five days later. This is
after she already got removed from the the hostel room
and putting her own.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
Room because of her weird bab And.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That may be part leading up to this because on
January thirty first, she's caught on that infamous elevator video. So, Tyrant,
you said that you watched it a hundred times, I
think is what you actually said. Yeah, so what is
your take on what's going on in that video?

Speaker 9 (01:06:02):
Okay, so there's this, like, you know how like there's
a lot of demandic games like weise boards all that stuff.
This elevator game where you press a bunch of the
elevator buttons, and apparently.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
When you go, is it like just any elevator buttons
or is.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
It I don't know, there's a certain list of number
that you have to do, but I can't remember the
numbers right off the top of my head.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
But you press those buttons, and after.

Speaker 9 (01:06:30):
You're done pressing those buttons, you go back to the
bottom floor.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:06:34):
And in that video, after she's done messing with all
the buttons and doing that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
Because you can't see her just like pushing buttons, like she's.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Just looking out there, like she's checking making sure nobody's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
Like, Okay, at this time, she's at the bottom, like
almost the basement.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
Yeah, she's like basement level at this point, she's checking
making sure nobody's there. Like she keeps like paranoia kind
of activity, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
Yeah, like she seems like somebody like she.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Feel when she pushes the buttons to stuff, she actually
up in the corner of the elevator too.

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
Seen and still when she's peeking out the window, she's
still like in the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
She's to look out, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
Yeah, And the elevator doors like no matter how hard
she tries, they just won't close. And I'm just like
is she messing around or she honestly scared because in
that video she looked terrified.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
Yeah, I mean she actually looks scared.

Speaker 8 (01:07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
It also looks like she's talking.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
Yeah, And that's where I get like this kind of
like the bad energy like we were talking about. Yeah,
and I'm like, is she talking to someone or is
she looking at someone that we can't see? Because I'm
not saying it's supernatural, but that's what I got.

Speaker 8 (01:08:02):
From it, like demonic? Yeah, uh, Rick, can you put
the video on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
The screen now, yes, man, one moment. Yeah, I think
it's a good time to show the video. Since we're
that way, people can get an idea and actually see
for herselves, cause it's hard to explain. It's better to
see you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I mean she her behavior is so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
There's no sound. So if you want to walk through
what she's doing for those pressing.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
All the buttons. Now she's tucked away in the corner.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
She's standing back behind her the doors.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
And here she goes peeking.

Speaker 9 (01:08:39):
She's looking for someone she is and she's hiding hallway.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
See she goes back against the wall, back into the corner.
Right here, she looks like she's hiding.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
And she just keeps peeking, keeping like.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
You would think that just if you were the security
guard or something, you would think looking at this, okay
someone like she's looking.

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
For someone, especially when she does and she never takes well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
This is what gets me is her body language when
she finally comes out of the elevator, like.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
Right here, she's moving very weirdly.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
I say, if she's scared, it doesn't seem like it
right here, like especially if she was looking for somebody
in the hall. And we can't really see what she's
doing off camera here he's he her elbow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Some hand gestures and movements.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
So but those buttons are still pressed though.

Speaker 9 (01:09:43):
The doors are not shut a long ago stopping that door.

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
So butts again.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
You would think like when she even when she hits
the first button, it doesn't matter how many buttons.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
Shot to be the elevator.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
Game, but it it also like would have shut the
doors as soon as you select the floor, those doors
after a few seconds are going to shut. These doors
have not shut yet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, no matter where do you think it is supernatural
or not, the doors are not.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Acting's talking to somebody right here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It looks like she's having a conversation with someone, now,
whether that is someone off camera or someone that we
can't see.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Or someone in her mind, Like, yeah, she.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Is having a conversation with someone or something.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
It's yeah, it's incredibly creepy, thank you. So Yeah, at
this point, we've got this woman pushing multiple buttons in
the in the elevator. She's peeking around the doors like

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she's looking for somebody. She goes back in and she
tucks herself into that corner. These these elevator doors are
still not shutting, which is so weird to me. That's
almost the weirdest. That's almost the weirdest thing about this video.
But she's like talking to somebody.

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
Yeah, it's clear as day.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
She's like we always do like we're doing right now,
talking to each other. We're gesturing with our hands. She's
doing this. I mean, it's it's absolutely insane, But I
don't know what to make of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Like, if y'all are listening, y'all couldn't see that video.
It's easy to find on YouTube. The video we showed
was from YouTube. You can just go look a quick search,
Alisa Lamb, you can find it now. The video is
timestamp Like I said, January thirty first, twenty thirteen, and

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that's the last confirmed siding of a Lisa being alive.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
Yeah, keep in mind, she has been moved out of
a communal room basically with other people, into a separate
private room because of odd behavior against She has a
history of bipolar disorder and depression.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Her parents have said that she would at times come
off for medication as well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Right, yeah, she was on medication.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
There's no you're supposed.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
To be on medication.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
There's some evidence saying that there were signs of medication
in her blood system at the autopsy, but there was
so little blood that they couldn't get a good reading
on how much was in there, so they don't know.
She might have stopped for a few days before this
took start happening, right with the odd behavior that the

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hostile roommates were saying. And then if what we see
in this video, it's likely she might have been off
that medication.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
I would assume so personally.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yeah, but we'll get back to that video later on
if y'all want to, we dig back into it, but
for now, again, let's move on from January thirty first.
That video was the last time she was seen the
last contact she made with her family. And now we're
on February first, she is officially reported missing by the family.

(01:13:30):
So what do we know about about what happened there?

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
Alisa was supposed to check out and call her parents daily,
but when her family did not hear from her like that,
that was a red flag to them.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Yeah, so they get intactive authorities.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Yeah, so the Los Angeles Police Department gets involved. They
searched the hotel.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
They even use dogs to dogs or drug dogs or yeah,
I would assume cadaver dogs if they're looking for a person.

Speaker 8 (01:14:04):
But they didn't find anything.

Speaker 9 (01:14:08):
And I mean, the cecil is amazed because it does
have seven hundred rooms, locked areas, and there's a roof
that's supposed to be secure, no trace of hers.

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
I said, she vanished. You said that roof is supposed
to be secure. Yeah, so supposed to supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah, like I said, it's lots. She just vanished right
into the fog.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Just she disappeared.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, so that, like I said, that video, I'm still
kind of stuck on that. So let's just go back
for that for a second. Uh, it's just a few
minutes long. And that turned that case into Basically, the
legend is lore.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
It's iconic. Now at this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Point, now the video is timestamped on January the thirty first.
She goes missing on the first, and then the LAPD
they hold on. They get that video, they hold onto
it for a little while, and on Valentine's Day, February

(01:15:11):
fourteenth of twenty thirteen, they released the video to the public.
They put it out. And again, if you saw it,
you see that it's kind of grainy. It's timestamp from
the thirty first, and it's just, I guess unsettling is
the best way to say.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
Thing like washing her look for people that you can't see,
and talk to people that you can't see. Yeah, yes,
it's unnerving. It's unsettling.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Unsettling to me, is the best way of putting it. Yeah,
And I know back to you that you've watched it
more than I have. If you was to break it down,
why does that making you think when you see it,
because you've seen it more than I.

Speaker 9 (01:15:55):
How well, every time I rewatch it, like I find
these little details that are like there's definitely something there
that we cannot see, Like we cannot here, we cannot.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
Yeah, there's no audio in the video whatsoever, anything, We
can't hear anything. Yeah, we see her looking down the hallway,
we see her talking to something or someone.

Speaker 9 (01:16:22):
What I get hung up every time I rewatch it
is her just pressing all the buttons and she's not
pressing them all the way down.

Speaker 8 (01:16:29):
She's going in an.

Speaker 9 (01:16:30):
Order like I was telling you about the elevator game,
and the doors won't close.

Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
She's pressing all these random buttons out of order.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
She does it the first time, walks back out, and
then when he comes back in, she presses the buttons again.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Right like she's doing all this. Why I still get
hung up on why the elevator doors are not closing,
Because again, usually when you hit a floor button, you've
got a few seconds for anybody else to come on
or get off or whatever, and then the door is shut.
These doors are not moving this entire video, and this

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is like over a minute long.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
It's almost three minutes long.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Think yeah, And these doors never shut.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
They don't even try to shut, like you know how
the elevator will try to shut and if something interferes
with it opens back up. The doors don't even try
to shut. They stay open.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
I said, they don't start to close and then like
she puts her hand out and everything and shut, you know,
pushes that little safety bar that usually they have in them. No,
these doors don't move, so that to me is is
weird enough. But like you said, she's looking down the hallway,
she's peeking out around the door.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
And she keeps going back to the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
And yeah, she's hotting from some.

Speaker 9 (01:17:46):
Point and every now and then, I think she does
twice in the video that she's pressing the buttons in
a random RTAR.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Well, I guess to us it's a random order for sure. No,
and then after all of this, I mean, yeah, she
has been like pushing the button. She'll go peek around,
she'll go back into the corner like she's hiding. But
then she comes fully out of the elevator. And this
is where we see the hand jess like she's talking

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to somebody, animatedly talking to someone.

Speaker 8 (01:18:17):
And hold on, let me cook.

Speaker 9 (01:18:19):
So when she first steps out, her whole entire demeanor
just shifts, like she.

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
Walks out, she walks to the side, she walks back.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
She did like a little hop that look.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
Like and it's ware.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
Doors like between the threshold of the elevator and the hallway,
she does like this little hop.

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
Yeah, it was like a half box drill. If you
know what that means, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:43):
Okay, but she does that, and she comes back in
the elevator and her demeanor changes again until she steps
back out and she starts talking to whatever she's talking to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
And she's very animated when she's talking to whoever or
whatever she is talking to. We cannot see what whatever
she's talking to. I mean, to me, this seems like, Okay,
if she is off her meds and everything because bipolar disorder,
she probably had some other issues going on that were undiagnosed.

(01:19:14):
These kind of things can cause hallucination, So there's at
least a rational explanation right there that we could float.
But like, she is seeing something and it's obviously something
we cannot see, but it's inside her mind.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, the demons that we keep talking about maybe internal demons.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Yeah, I mean that that's absolutely true too. I mean,
we can have a whole episode on schizophrenics and everything
in demonic possession. So but we have no idea that
we know she was not ever diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Speaker 9 (01:19:47):
Yeah, and still even if she was, that doesn't really
explain her body language and the meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
If we do a thing on schizophrenics and socio paths
and demonic positions internal demons. Can I get my e's
wife on that one?

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
I don't know she'd be will come on the shelf
and be a guest on that one, if we can
get my accent on that too. No, Okay, she's this girl.
I mean something is going on again. She's pushing buttons randomly.

(01:20:22):
These doors are not shutting like she's like on the
bottom floor of the hotel at this point, right, she's
at the basement level.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
At this point, right, I don't know where she's at.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
I cannot remember. I want to say she was like
the bottom floor in the basement or first for lower level.

Speaker 9 (01:20:40):
Because that's where you always end on the elevator games.
But still you don't we don't really know if it
was the elevator games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
But it's definite. It makes you think about it, so
like in my mind. All right, so you're looking at
a few options. It's either the elevator has got a
glitch and there's something wrong with elevator, right, it's winder door, some.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Kind of system failure, or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
She is doing the prank or playing the Elevator game
or something along those lines or and I'll say it
as creepy as it sounds, the cecils messing with it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
See, and I wonder about that too, because Okay, the
Elevator game, the very very little I know about it,
is supposed to open a portal.

Speaker 9 (01:21:23):
Yeah, once you hit the first basement floor you get to.
It's not actually like you're supposed.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
To go to a certain floor, go to a different one, like,
come back down, and eventually you end at the basement
and when the door is open, you're supposed to be
somewhere else. Okay. We saw that actually in that show
Evil that we watched. We like so much. Okay, so
like that. Okay, so that makes me understand it a
little bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
We're kind of dancing around the word ghosts and demons
and all that kind of stuff. I'm not sure where
exact I land on that yet. I'm not gonna I'm
not willing to go full par paranormal yet, not yet.
My guts it's not there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
So what's so funny is when we were going over
the notes, my gut was not there yet. But as
of right now, the more we talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
My gut is there, so like it's all can this
be explained? Is? Is it unexplainable? Is there something that
cops missed because the cops wrapped it up in the
top in a nice little bow that we'll talk about
here in a minute. I mean, what are you thinking
on it?

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
I'm not trying to say it's like a spirit of
some kind, but I'm not not saying it either. Like
the video does feel like a story you would tell
someone caught in a place they shouldn't be with something watching.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Oh yeah, I mean it's like the creepiest story you
could tell like this, there's this creepier hotel. There's this
young girl on an elevator. She's talking to something, she's
hiding from something. It sounds like you said in the beginning,
it sounds like a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
But if I'm being for real, I think the cops
leaned hard on the mental health angle because it's clean,
it's tidy, like well.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
It does make the most logical sense.

Speaker 9 (01:23:17):
So when you think about it, and I want to
know why nobody saw her after this, like where did
she go after the elevator?

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Did oh yeah out?

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
Or did someone make her disappear.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
Yeah, absolutely, after the elevator footage that we showed you guys,
that literally is the last time anyone saw her.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
Wait, there was nobody in the hallway, there was nobody
on the elevator. No one saw her. It was only
security cam footage. That's the only footage anybody has from
her until they find her, until they find her later.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah, that one shot from that one camera in that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Yeah, I say, there's no footage from the hallway.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Now there's a rumor that there's another video from the
hallway out there that I saw like on Reddit, people
talking about it my research, but I can't find any
proof of that. I looked, I can't find any video.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
I said, this one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
That's one of those, ready.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Yeah, this one was an official surveillance video that the
police released because they were they they had no clue either.
They were looking for answers, so they released this surveillance
footage from the hotel cameras. They released this in the
hopes that somebody would see it and come forward and say, hey,
you know, I saw her after this, But no one

(01:24:40):
ever did. I mean, it's it's like it's like Tiny
Tyner just said, like, did she just walk out of
the elevator. Did someone make her disappear? Like, we have
no idea what happened after this elevator footage. I mean,
there's no thing. The hotel has cameras, but only that

(01:25:04):
one video surfaced. No footage of her leaving the elevator,
no hallway shots, absolutely nothing. And that's that's what gets me.
I mean, I know the ceacyttle security was spotty because
I mean it's skid row, so it's not exactly high tech.
If someone was with her or was following her, they

(01:25:25):
could have easily slipped through the cracks here. Yeah, I mean,
the forensic side said that there was no sign of
a struggle in that video. There was no evidence of
anyone else around her. The police said that her behavior
points to a mental health crisis, and again, like the
tidy tyrant says she had bipolar disorder. Her family confirmed

(01:25:47):
she'd had episodes before. If she was off her meds,
then that could explain these erratic movements, right, it could, so,
I mean we may be talking a psychotic episode, like
a complete break from reality.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Oh yeah, that's kind of where when I mentioned that
maybe the demons are internal, that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
She was fine, Yeah, I mean, she's obviously seeing something,
she's obviously having a conversation with something. We just can't
see it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
And that's so. Yeah, that's fine if it is a
psychotic episode. There's still one thing that sticks in my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
Yeah, I mean, that's where it gets so sticky. The
elevator is not closing for over two minutes. I keep
going back to that, the elevator. No matter how many
times she pushes these buttons, those elevator doors are not closing,
which is odd, even for a Rundown hotel. There's no
explaining that because apparently the elevator was working fine on

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the other floors.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, there's no there's no reports that there was a
malfunction with any of the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
Yeah elevators, like on every other floor, like you hit
a button, the door is closed after a couple of seconds,
but this did not happen here for over two minutes.
It's I mean, there's some people online that say someone
could have been holding the door open off camera, but
you would have to see a hand in the doors.
You would have to because there's that safety mechanism built

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into hotel or elevator doors, So we would have to
see somebody holding that door open, and there's nothing whatsoever
in the video, nothing at all. There's no proof. But
that's a question that I cannot get out of my mind.
I Mean, it's like she's it's like she's almost dancing

(01:27:37):
with a shadow. Nobody can see it but her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yeah, that's actually a good way to putting that out.
Dancing with a shadow. That's pretty cool. I lot that. Well.

Speaker 6 (01:27:45):
Again, you see her like she's looking down the hallway. Okay,
she's going to look in the same direction down the hallway.
Even when she comes out of the elevation, she goes
looking towards the right.

Speaker 9 (01:27:59):
Okay, a little more digging on the elevator game, and
if she's was on the fifth floor when that elevator
video was taken, then there's such a bigger issue.

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
Yeah, okay, so it could be that she was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
An elevator.

Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
All right. In the elevator game, if you reach the
tenth floor by following the specific sequence four to six
to ten, five and one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
By the way, we're not recommending this.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
No, do not do this at all at all. Please
like no, and.

Speaker 9 (01:28:29):
You successfully navigate the encounter on the fifth floor, the
doors will indeed open, and you have a choice to
stay or leave. If you choose to get off, the
doors will not automatically close behind you, allowing you to
potentially explore the tenth floor. However, it is crucial to
remember the elevator you used and not acknowledged the woman

(01:28:50):
on the fifth floor if she is present, So.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Talking to the woman, yeah, let's say if she's that
kind of fits if it was the elevator. We have
no confirmation one way or the other that she was
playing the elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Why people would assume that she could have been playing it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
You know, I mean it kind of fits like and
it seems like maybe she acknowledged somebody on the floor
if it were that kind of thing. I don't know.
This is a good, creepy little ghost story. I love
it for that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Oh, it's wonderful. It would be a great October episode
to go back to you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah exactly. We don't actually allow
any of that in our house or anything. There's some
actually like the candlelight game. I won't even I won't
play it. We don't do the outside running through the
field game that I know of. We can cover those

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games because they're but still, like the elevator game. It's
really interesting as far as how it very easily connect
to this case.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, once you explained it about the fifth floor woman,
that adds a whole other level.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
Yeah, I say, did she actually see somebody or did
that did she think she saw somebody? You know? I mean,
that's just it's so creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Well, we're done. So that was the thirty first February
first she's missing. They searched for a few weeks, including
the roofs, and find no signs whatsoever. February fourteenth, the
video was released. Obviously, they continuing to look and expanding

(01:30:41):
the search outside of the hotel. Now February nineteenth of
twenty thirteen, they actually find it. So as bad as
it is, let's go ahead and talk about the water tank,
all right.

Speaker 9 (01:30:54):
So on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen, guests at the Cecil Hotels,
they aren't complaining that the water pressure is low, that
the water's dark.

Speaker 8 (01:31:04):
It tastes bad. It's coming out like I read.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
It came out in chunks when you first turn it on.
It did, but then it started flowing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
But it was dark brown and very dark brown. Yeah,
and it tasted bad drinking it and showering in it,
brushing their teeth with it. Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
We interrupt this program for the following message, Red realm
Red rub.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I need.

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
I needed that little break because thinking about all of
this of the water was like really freaking me, like
grossing me out badly.

Speaker 9 (01:31:42):
All Right, So a maintenance worker, uh checks the rooftop
water tanks and there they find her, Alisa Lamb, naked,
floating in a ten foot tank.

Speaker 8 (01:31:55):
Close are floating beside her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yeah, so a look, so tell me this. These tanks
are anywhere about five to six foot in diameter. There
are ten foot tall, and there's four of them on
top of the building to supply water to the building. Okay,
these are big tanks. Yeah, and I mean I think
each one of them holds in it says of a

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thousand gallons. They're big.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Yeah. All these things are locked.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
So this woman, this tiny little woman, I think she's
Asian descent, how does she end up inside a ten
foot tall locked water tank on a restricted access roof.

Speaker 9 (01:32:34):
Yeah that's the big question. Like you said, these tanks
are huge, like thousands of gallons of water. They're made
of metal, extremely heavy lids, which is there's no way
she was able to lift it exactly. The roof is
supposed to be locked and it's accessible only by fire

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escape or a secure door with an alarm. And Alisa
was found in one of the fourteen submerge no signs
of trauma per the autopsy. Her clothes washed and room
keys were floating nearby, like she'd stripped down before climbing in.
They ruled it as an accidental drowning with bipolar disorder,

(01:33:16):
her bipolar disorder contributing as a contributing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
So they brought her bipolar disorder episode led her to
the tank.

Speaker 6 (01:33:28):
Basically, Okay, well I'm going back to this rooftop tanks.
All these they're only accessible by fire escape or a
secure door with an arm. Okay now, but again we're
talking the Cecil hotel and skid row, so they may
have like let that kind of stuff laugh, So maybe
an alarm wasn't triggered if she opened that door. I

(01:33:50):
can absolutely see her at least getting to the rooftop tanks. Yeah, sure,
I can see that. I mean, that makes sense to me.
She could have accessed the roof through an unlocked door
or the fire escape, climbed the ladder and got into
the tank herself. But like you said, those lids are
heavy there, metal lids, Like this is a very very

(01:34:12):
small woman and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Most of.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
Yeah, yeah, they would only be accessible to somebody with
like a key or something like a maintenance worker or something.
But again, honey, this this one was like your size.
I don't see you being able to lift a lid
on a tank like this by yourself. I just don't

(01:34:37):
see that very tall order there. She's like five foot
four inches tall, barely over one hundred pounds, I.

Speaker 9 (01:34:46):
Mean your size, right, So like picture this. According to
the police, she climbs the fire escape in the dark
while having a mental health crisis.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
Yeah, she's apparently having a psychotic break according to the police.

Speaker 9 (01:35:02):
And apparently she climbs up on the tank, lifts the
heavy lid and jumps.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
In after stripping down and like taking her clothes with her. Yeah,
because they were found in the tank with her.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
She either, in my mind, she either stripped off once
she got into the tank, or if she was quote
unquote helped into the tank, someone threw the clothes in behind.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Me thinking nobody would ever find her.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, or they would be long gone by the time, right.

Speaker 9 (01:35:30):
Yeah, that's like something out of one of our old
mountain stories, like the ones where someone's lured to their doom.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
Yeah, she won't let me whistle outside of no one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
No no. So, like what you're saying is like for
her to do this, something was calling her up there. Yes,
it's kind of where you're.

Speaker 9 (01:35:52):
Headed with that, and I'm pretty open minded, but it
does sound like a stretch even for me. Up But Mom,
you're the forensic queen. Any chense someone else was involved.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
I think it's it's likely that somebody else could be involved,
especially just because given her size and the size of
the tanks, the heavy metal lids and everything, I do
not see her doing this on her own. So, yes,
lured to her doom and everything. It doesn't matter if
she was, like if she was having a psychotic break

(01:36:28):
and everything. I'm sorry, that's still not going to give
her the strength that she needs to open that lid
and everything by herself. I personally think somebody else is
involved here, and that that actually makes it worse for
me because they're playing this girl and I don't know

(01:36:50):
how they got her to go along with any of this.
If it's another person, I genuinely don't know the autoposy.
There's no fingerprints, there's no there, no witnesses at all.
Anything forensically that I would normally go off of does
not exist.

Speaker 8 (01:37:07):
So there's literally just no evidence of her.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
It seems genuinely like by physical evidence that she was alone,
that she was by herself. The autopsy showed no drugs,
no alcohol. Daniel had mentioned earlier that her meds were
seen at low levels, suggesting that she might have skipped dosages.
But by the time they found her that, I mean

(01:37:32):
that's probably hit or miss on that for a long time. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean it's just so hard to swallow
to me. The roof was not as secure as a
hotel claimed, obviously, because yeah we're talking skid row, we're
talking like a low rent now hostile basically, I mean

(01:37:56):
homeless people, the real seekers. They were no to get
up there at times.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
There were signs of graffiti up there too.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Yeah, I mean if someone lure her up there at
any point or whatever, they could have easily covered their tracks.

Speaker 8 (01:38:12):
Yeah, especially if they're like experience with being on the roof.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Well yeah they work. Yeah. So and I always say
this in any kind of case that we cover, what
makes us worse. Forensically, water is going to muddy the waters.
I guess you could say, like it's going to wash
away a lot of like trace evidence and stuff. So

(01:38:37):
like any other fibers or anything that could have been
found on her body or her clothes, hairs, skin cells
or whatever, that water is going to destroy it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Maybe the composition faster or something that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
I had an uncle, my dad's older brother, Richard, when
he was a cop, and I remember him getting in
a lot of trouble with all our parents because as kids,
he was telling us about the body that they found.
It was a suicide that they found in the bathtub,
and he said that when they went to white goat

(01:39:15):
grabbed the body and like put it up on the
guardy and everything, the skin just pulled right off.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Oh slushing, sluffing.

Speaker 6 (01:39:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we he got in a lot of
trouble for telling us kids that story. But yeah, I mean,
imagine like you throw a book into a creek or
something and you leave it there for like a week.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
I know that just cringed you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:41):
So bad about the book.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Yeah, Well, it's like you said, it would be basically
impossible to read. Yeah, So if the book is the evidence.
Then at that point you can't read.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
It anymore any like I said, any trace evidence on
her clothes, on her person, or anything. After that much
time in the water, there's you're not going to find
any forensic evidence really that's going to help you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Yeah. So, I mean, I just I know the fact
that they said they had to they couldn't get the equipment.
The opening on that tank small, so they said that
they couldn't get the equipment down in there to get
her out too.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
So, but that's also why they found no marks of
like force or anything on her body. Like the opening
was was big enough that she could fit down in there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Yeah, I don't think this is something like who she
could have fell in This was that it had and
because to get the stretcher down there distrapper to her
to get her out, they wouldn't enough room. They actually
had to cut the tank top off to get her out.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
So so now February nineteenth, Elisa is found. The autopsy
says accidental drowning. There's no trauma to the body, no well,
no illegal drugs.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
Nothing would suggest that somebody doped her.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Up, and no alcohol in her blood stream, nothing like that.
It's just a girl in a water tank. But the
how and the why that's where her shadows start to
creep in on this. So like what is your team?
If you're a Lisa, what's going through your head to

(01:41:27):
get you up into that tank?

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
That's what I'm like really focused on, Like I want
to know how she got up there without being caught?

Speaker 8 (01:41:37):
So the house why so about it?

Speaker 9 (01:41:41):
Like she had to been dodging those cameras like everything.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
But she would have to know. And again the Seestol Hotel,
their security and everything was laxed because they just really
didn't have the money to keep it up and everything.
So even if there were cameras in every hallway, she
didn't know, she would have no way of knowing, which
was anything.

Speaker 8 (01:42:02):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
Like if I'm Elisa, I would probably because she stopped
taking her meds.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
Like she had a Yeah, she had some of her
She had some of her prescribed meds in her system,
but low levels. But again, with how long she was
in the water, they probably couldn't get a really accurate reading,
so they wouldn't know exactly if she went off her
meds or not.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
The autopsy does show medication in her system, yes, but
because of the state of the body, there was so
little blood. Yeah, to test that, they don't know the
exact amount. Was it a lot, was it a little,
It's hard to tell, but there was medication in her
blood mm hm.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
And again she stopped taking her meds.

Speaker 9 (01:42:53):
So at this point, she's probably lost in her own
mind because of her bipolar disorder.

Speaker 8 (01:42:59):
Or she could be having like a mental break, like
a bad yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:43:04):
Like the world's turn into one of those foggy nights
where you can't see two steps.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
Ahead, or like I'm running when we go to school.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah. So it's it's either she's lost inside her online
or she's actually running from something or.

Speaker 9 (01:43:21):
Someone right, right, And maybe she just thought the tank
was safe, like hiding in a cave from a storm
or something.

Speaker 6 (01:43:28):
That could kind of fit. I mean, it's a small,
enclosed space, it would feel sheltered.

Speaker 8 (01:43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
So I mean, if it is a psychotic break and everything,
I can see why that would be appealing as a
hiding place. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:43:40):
But I keep coming back to that video like she's
acting as if someone's there. I'm not ruling out her
bipolar disorder, but I'm wondering if the cecil's darkness like
its history and the people that have signed in there
pushed her into that tank.

Speaker 8 (01:43:58):
One way or another.

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
Save Yeah, maybe it was mental illness, maybe somebody was
chasing her, or maybe it actually is something that we
don't understand. I mean, we got nothing on this one,
you know, so well we knew.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
How some things this looked. Again, I want to go
back to the timeline just to try to make some
sense of it. January twenty sixth, she arrives in LA
and checks into the shared hostile style room at the
Stay on Maine, which we all know is the Cecil Hotel.

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
It's always going to be the Cecial Hotel to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
She's continuing to post on social media, and she seems upbeat.
January twenty seventh into twenty eight the guests inside that
hostile complain about her odd behavior.

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
Yeah, these were the ones she was sharing that room.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yeah, and so she's moved to a private room. There's
no reports from those other guests on what that odd
behavior is.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
Yeah, it's just described as quote odd.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Behavior we can find. On January twenty ninth, she bids
it's a bookstore. The last person to see her alive
at that bookstore described her as friendly, outgoing and talking
about gifts for her family, talking about her future.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
I was gonna say, she's talking about her future, she's
talking about doing things for her family when she sees
them again. So I don't think that this was necessarily suicidal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Then yeah, So the police actually talked to the person
at the bookstore, the lady who worked there. They don't
get those guests from the hostel room. They could have
already checked out and been long gone by that point.
So January thirty first, she misses her daily check in
call with her parents, and of course we know the
video happens. The elevator video happens on the thirty first,

(01:45:45):
right February first, Because of the daily check in missed,
she is reported missing by her parents and the family
flies out to Los Angeles to help in the search.
On February fourteenth, the video is released to the public
and on February nineteen.

Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
Any questions anybody here seen her or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
And on February nineteenth, days after they released the video,
that's when the guests complained about the low water pressure,
the dark, foul tasting water. Maintenance checks the rooftop tanks.
They find her body floating inside of one, and she
has been inside that tank for nineteen days. It's what
we're figuring.

Speaker 6 (01:46:27):
I mean, that's just I don't know. I mean, there's
that part of me is still just can't believe that,
you know. I mean, there's so much of this. It's
just wild. It's so out there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
And yeah, yeah, I mean this case is like Spending tells,
is wilder and wilder. It's worse than any well, it's
just as much as any of this applach and ghost
stories we grew up on. It's that creepy to me.
The official story for INDs its queen. Why do you

(01:47:03):
make of that?

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Well, again, the official story is very simple. It's accidental drowning.
She apparently what they say, went off her meds, has
a psychotic episode, finds her way onto the roof, climbs
into the tank, and she drowns. Her bipolar disorder, explains
the video. Behavior in the hotel's lacked security explains the access.

(01:47:25):
It's clean, but to me, it's too clean, like a
sweat forward. You know, you're just sweeping the dirt under it,
you know. Yeah, there's no trauma, no witnesses, no clear
path to the tank. There are so many gaps in
this story. I think the cops went with what fit,
but it doesn't explain the behavior on the elevator in

(01:47:45):
that video.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Okay, why do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:47:49):
Uh yeah, like you said, it's definitely too clean and
neat for me, especially since her phone was never found.
I find that really really weird. See how social media
was such a huge part of her life like.

Speaker 6 (01:48:03):
This, if I say she daily blind like posted photos,
like updated on what she did that day everything.

Speaker 9 (01:48:11):
Yeah, and every time I get on TikTok, Instagram, whatever.
People are still talking about this case. Some say it's
murder someone at the hotel, maybe someone on the staff.

Speaker 8 (01:48:24):
Murder up there.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
I say, we have absolutely no evidence of any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Yeah, I mean the idea that the maintenance man kind
of plays into that. And one of the theories online
about being the maintenance guy is because the door from
the maintenance man is reported that was left open on
the tank. Well while the police was searching the rooftop,

(01:48:50):
they never mentioned the door open on the tank. So
if they're doing a full search, how do they miss that?

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
I say they would have seen that open door and
been like, hey, but the there's an open door to
this tank.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Like the maintenance which would lead you to believe it
was closed. But now the maintenance man, he claims the
tank was opened. The door was open, so that's why
he climbed up there and checked it. So either the
door was closed when the police were up there, and
it was opened later and she entered it later, okay,
or it was closed and then the maintenance man' says

(01:49:24):
lying about it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
I don't know. I have a theory on that now
now that you mentioned this, we know sometimes like the
criminal will will return to the scene of the crime.
What if when the police went up there to search
and everything of the door was shut and everything. But
then if there was a killer or somebody who learned
her up there, they went back to check and look in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
On her, Well, why wouldn't they close it back?

Speaker 9 (01:49:47):
Though?

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
I don't know. I'm just saying like there is something
to that them returning to the scene of the crime
if it was another person, right, there is something to that.
There's historical you know, documentation of that and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
But so now those are the ones that make sense
that follow the police. Other I don't say conspiracy theories,
but this other theories go they go full on spooky here.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
No, no no stepping on the next So sure, sir,
conspiracys the next.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Hour awesome, But so we'll just glance over then. So
some of these are called like the Cecil that Cecil
hotel is cursed, or that Elisa was possessed maybe because
that elevator game. Uh. There's even this one conspiracy that
is about tuberculosis test called and it's literally called this

(01:50:49):
Lamb Alisa l A M. That'sh E L I s A.
It is her name, Lamb Elisa is the name of
this test.

Speaker 6 (01:50:57):
Uh. And it's a conspiracy out there, yes, And this
conspiracy goes that that that's the test, is that Berkelow's test.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
It is called that, and people and it can think
of this theory is that it's called that because Elisa
was sick with tobroker love with TV and was purposely
sent to skid Row to infect the homeless population and
cut down on their numbers, and that she voluntarily climbed
into the tank to to I guess, infect everybody who

(01:51:28):
was standing in the hotel by dying.

Speaker 6 (01:51:30):
And I said, that's the wildest one. I think that
is the least likely one, obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
And of course you have other supernatural elements as well.
You talked about the Elevator game already. Do you buy that?
Do you really think that could be it at this
point or honestly kind of on the fence about it.

Speaker 9 (01:51:53):
Or the elevator video has people saying she was seeing
something not human.

Speaker 8 (01:52:00):
I don't really buy.

Speaker 9 (01:52:01):
It, but it's got that appleatched folk floor vibe, like
when you hear about a leading someone of the woods.
I'd rather believe someone real did her wrong than ghost. Yeah,
but the Cecil's history makes you wonder if that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Place is off, so a human monster instead of a monster.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
She keeps talking about the haints in the dark. She's
not gonna let me live down a whistling thing. So,
I mean, the supernatural stuff is fun. I mean it's
very interesting, but less kind of ground it the Cecil's history.
I mean, with Ramirez, the suicide, the overdoses, the murders,

(01:52:39):
everything we talked about. It gives it that cursed feel.
But I'm stuck on the practical aspect of this. If
it's murder, who had access, If it's an accident, how
was she able to do this alone? Like, there's no
way she could have got that lid off that tank
by herself. There's just no way. There's also the internet

(01:52:59):
met with people accused. They even accused of random artist
Pablo Vergara because he stayed at the Season hotel. His
life was ruined with absolutely no evidence. It's just the
fact that he was there at the same time she was.
So I mean, that's the danger of these like conspiracy
theories just running wild on stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Particularly, that's actually a good point. Speculation can really hurt,
it's as much as it helps.

Speaker 8 (01:53:27):
Honestly, I'm thinking it's a mix.

Speaker 9 (01:53:30):
She's having a rough mental health moment, like maybe she's
seen something that isn't there, like the stories of people
lost in these mountain sea and shadows. She wants to
the roof, thinking it safe. But I still can't shake
the idea that someone saw her, she knew she was
or they knew she was vulnerable, took advantage of her
not a ghost but a human monster.

Speaker 6 (01:53:50):
Like y'all were saying, Yeah, the tank's just too weird
for it to be just her. So I'm with you
on this one. Somebody somewhere did something to her.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
I think, yeah, well we're getting closed because Jut's position
is right behind it. So what's the one thing you
want listeners to take away?

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
Honey, Elisa was, like we tell, like we talk about
all the time at the end, this is a real person.
This is not just a fun mystery that we're trying
to unpack here. This was actually a young woman, I mean,
not much older than our own tiny tyrant who's sixteen today.

(01:54:28):
She had her own dreams. She was just caught up
in something or someone that just swallowed her hole. It
seems like whether it was in her mind a person,
the Hotel like, however you want to go with this?
I mean, we keep asking these questions about her death

(01:54:49):
and everything, but we try to do it with a
certain amount of respect. We don't want the Cecil shadow
to erase her light or the light of all the
deaths before her and since then, because this has continued,
like again, a bad area of town. No matter who
or what the culprit truly is, the Cecil Hotel has

(01:55:10):
seen death, The Cecil Hotel has felt that embrace, heard
that dark siren song. So we actually do need to
just remember Elisa for the beautiful and open young lady
that she was. She was full of curiosity in life,
and we hope that her soul rest in peace and

(01:55:31):
her family and her friend's fine comfort somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Yeah, I mean, some places just call to certain people,
and not in a kind way. They eat them up
and they keep their stories locked away in some deep
dark places, sometimes behind brick implaster. And that hotel is
still standing, still watching, still singing that siren song. The

(01:55:56):
Cecil closed for a while and was rebranded to stay
on Main, But you can't wash away to blood out
of history. Even today, with the renovations and fresh paint,
the legend lingers folks still stand out front taking pictures
like it's some sort of tourist attraction. But I'm telling you,
if you stay long enough, that Cecil might just take
a picture of you.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
Terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Some places are just buildings, brick, stealing wood. The Cecil
Hotel is different. It's a wound that never heals, a
graveyard with an elevator. If you will, and if you
listen closed, maybe you'll hear the next story. It's already
getting to tell that it's getting ready to tell. This
episode may have come across as a story about the Cecil,

(01:56:38):
but it is actually a Lisa Lamb's story. I hope
we did our part, and I asked once again to
remember the victims, her and all the others, because they
are the ones that deserve reverence, not the Cecil Hotel.
So in closing tonight, I am bumpstock Ken and you
can find me here on as at bumpstock kN and

(01:57:00):
right here at fp understore Underscore for Insics. And she
is bump stock Barbie, which.

Speaker 6 (01:57:09):
You can find me at bumpstock Barbie. I have multiple
pages and everything, but yeah, I also right for Twitchy.
You can find my author by my author page and
my bio and everything. But yes, this was the infamous
Tiny Tyrants on her sixteenth birthday.

Speaker 8 (01:57:29):
Yeah, it was so great to be on tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Guys, and you can't find her anywhere yet, So so
this was This.

Speaker 8 (01:57:42):
Was French sports Forensics. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
Now stay tuned for Juxtaposition coming up next Good night,
and remember y'all be careful out there.

Speaker 8 (01:57:53):
Don't end up on an episode of front Ford forriensies.

Speaker 6 (01:57:57):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (01:58:00):
I'd listen to her that night. I like the girl
talk and it makes me feel all right. I like
scary stories in.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
The morning, and I like them that night.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
I like my girl talk rides.

Speaker 6 (01:58:18):
They made me feel just right.

Speaker 8 (01:58:21):
I listened to a lot of true crime

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