FPF 09-13-25 The One About the Green River Killer

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I listen to a lot of your cry. I listened
to it that night. I like the girl talk. It
makes me feel all right. I like scary stories in
the morning, and I like her not like I like
the girl talk. Guys, maybe we feel just right. I

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listen to a lot of true crime.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello everybody, Welcome to front Porch Forensics, where we are
not running the show Gody else with some backup from Rick,
which is very very important. But uh, thank you everybody
for joining us, Kay Laurian Radio, friends and family. Like
I said, welcome to front ports for insits. I am

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and only, bumpstock Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hey, guys, we're working on this, so just we're gonna
preface it with bear with us. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
The episode of night is the one about the Green
River Killer.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Gary Ridgeway.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So like here in the hollers of southern Appalashia, the
rivers they tell stories. Some stories are carved into stone,
others whispered by willows and the oaks that's leaning over
their banks. And every now and then a river becomes
a graveyard. And when that happens. The waters don't wash
your sins away, it carries them along. So tonight we're

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sitting on the porch in the dark talking about a
man who turned the river into his trophy room and
his personal playground. His name was, or is Gary Leon Ridgeway,
the Green River Killer, America's most prolific serial murderer, or
he was, at least.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
For a while, the most prolific American serial killer. We
got right now, Samuel Little.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
How many did he do?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
They think over one hundred, about ninety something they can.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Confirm, Oh well, yeah, he's got to title it as
far as confirmed now. He confessed had taken so many
lives of so many women that he can't remember. The
ball over fifty has been contributed to him officially, but
the truth to be total, the count is likely much higher.

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Ridgeway is recorded to saying that his goal was an
even one hundred.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah. Most of his victims. We've talked about this a
lot before on the show, victims of opportunity. Basically, these
were where men that were already living on the margins
the fringes of society, that were runaways, hitchhikers, sex workers,
girls that nobody ever bothered to protect, like they just

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didn't seem to matter, and even when they were reported missing,
they kind of felt through the cracks like no, what
they weren't important enough to follow up on. Basically, he
strangles them. He dumps them basically in clusters along back roads,
river banks, and this is kind of where the evil
runs the deepest. He went back to the corpses like

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even days later to violate them again.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, some monsters that you know, we've talked about this before.
Some monsters look like monsters. They wear their madness on
the outside. You can look at them and see. But
Gary Ridgeway, he's one of those that completely ordinary to
the bomb. He worked at a truck plant, he went

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to church, he married three different times. His neighbor said
he was plot kept his lawn tidy. Uh. He looked
about as dangerous as a damp rag, you know, like
a wet paper towel. But inside him he was full
of rot. I mean he was in bad, bad way

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pretty obviously.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
He kills some mini that we do always want to give,
like the little disclaimer and everything. That's what we are
going to be talking about tonight. They're rough crimes or
sexual in nature. So if I mean, we even have
family that try to listen to our show sometimes, but
those kind of cases, they just can't stomach it. So

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you know, if that's your thing, like just you know,
maybe listen to something else. And that's weird to say
for a podcast, but it's probably not for.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You, right. I was just looking at the messages. Sorry,
I got I.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Guess we're trying to run this ourselves tonight a little bit.
That's so it's probably little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Rough trying to keep but with everything and then not
get too lost in it. Uh. Is everything things sounded okay?
Is it too echoly or or anything?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I can up a chat on my phone. I'll do that,
y'all let us know if everything sounds okay on your end,
I'll let us.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Go to Uh, I'm still technically lurking. I'll let you know.
It sounds piecing on my end. There's some there's something
to lay here, and then I think that's just your interwebs.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, I see a Pam and chat Hey and Pam.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay. I was just checking something. I hadn't been looking
at messages, so the chat. So it's a little bit
behind for a bet or not? All right? So. Gary
Leon Ridgeway was born February eighteenth, nineteen forty nine, in
Salt Lake City, Utah, as a middle child and a

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family of three boys. His parents, Thomas Ridgeway, a bus
driver and part time mortuary worker in Mary Rita Ridgeway,
a waitress, relocated the family to a working class neighborhood
near Seattle Specific Highway, close to SeaTac Airport in Washington State,

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again the Pacific Northwest. Gary was around eleven years old
when this happened, and this moved marked the beginning of
a particularly I guess, turbulent phase of his early life.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Kind of like what you did there, since they were
kind of close to an airport.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes, that's good, but again it was a backdrop of
domestic instability and personal struggles and confusion. And I mean
it might have looked nice on the outside, but it
was anything but on the inside.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, his home environment was rough, frequent and intense arguments
between his parents often escalated into physical violence. So we've
got the history of abuse very early on in his childhood,
which again we've talked about this before too. His mother
was described as a domineering and emotionally volatile She played

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a central role in his psychological development, which again we
see frequently. Ridgeway later recounts conflicting feelings towards her intense
sexual attraction mixed with deep seated hatred and fantasies of
killing her, which reportedly began in his early teens, So
about the time puberty hits.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And that's a very extremely.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Common Yeah, very very common. I mean we talked about
that when we did the parapsychology or the paraphilias, is
what it was. Yeah, that the when it turns these
sexual crimes always, the fantasies always begin around the onset
of puberty.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, that's and we see that on everything too. So
it's we see that with a lot of them. It's
around that same time frame of their age, which is
I guess it's when they're in the developmental stages so much, right.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, these are crucial times in a child's development.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Crucial there it is. That's the what I look.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
So. Yeah, he also struggled and here you go, you're
gonna like this one too. He struggled with chronic bedwetting
that persisted into adolescents. This is part of the McDonald
triad that we've talked about before, which is a combination
of three traits that tend to overwhelmingly show up in

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serial murders. It's urison, cruelty to animals, and bedwetting, like
well past the time that they, you know, boty training
usually start.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Did he have any history of animal cruelty that you
know of.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
That I recall right off the top of my head.
I'm not really sure, but I do think that Gary
did have a lot of these. Arson was never part
of it to my knowledge, but I do think that
there was some alarming stuff with small animals and everything
when he was growing up. I can't be one hundred

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percent sure on that because it's been a while, but
I mean, his mother actually humiliated him. She exacerbated this
by publicly shaming him for the bed wedding. One particularly
disturbing memory he shared with psychologists was that she would
personally wash his genitals after these incidents, which was that

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kind of act that blurred the boundaries, especially when he's older,
like this is not a young young childhood during party training.
Is like an adolescent at this point, not quite puberty.
But you know, he's old enough, so this has blurred
some lines here, and I guess it potentially normalizes deviant

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sexual ideas that he later exhibited.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, because he was obviously humiliated by the bed wedding
and he had already had he was beginning these feelings
of sexual arousal when things like that, and then his mother,
who's very domineering and all that comes in and she's
actually touching him, handling him, washing him off, you know,

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so you know, yeah, intimately doing it. So yeah, all
that just is a is a dang thunderstorm of confusion
and feelings.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And yeah, I mean it's one thing, especially when your
children are very very young, you're going through the potty training,
it's one thing if they have an accident to clean
them up. Yeah, that's pretty normal. I think every parent
listening has done this. We have done this, or I
know I have. Like Catherine, I think was pretty much

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potty trained by the time you came into our lives.
So but there was none of that, Like, but yeah,
when she had an accident, cleaned her up. That's normal.
But not after a certain age, like if the bed
wedding is still going on. There's another issue happening here.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
We got a member in the chat talking about some
animal cruelty that he was reported to doing.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
He would put cats in an old refrigerator until they
died and shoot birds with a b B gun. Now
the BB gun thing, I can say, Like my brother
and I we had a BB gun and everything, and
my brother did, you know, shoot at animals and everything
target practice. But he actually would cry sometimes, like if
he had accidentally like killed a bird or something he

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didn't mean to. But I guess, being as young as
we were, it didn't really register with him that he
was hurting these animals.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
What he was, what he was doing. I think every
boy would be begun has done that.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, and again there's a line between normal and when
it becomes an issue.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, I say every boy would be bigguns than that.
Me and my cousins shoot each other, would be big guns.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It's what's funny is I had a cousin like we
would shoot grasshoppers, the big big ones out in the
yard of the brownish and green ones. You know, shoot
those and we toss them into spiderwebs.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
This is I guess before my ragonophobia really set in. No,
like I just I can't do it anymore. But yeah,
I mean, yeah, little kids like you kind of experiment
with things like this, which is a normal thing. It's
it's almost a healthy thing. It's when it escalates that
it starts to become a problem. Like in no world

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did like either my brother, myself, or any of our friends,
our cousins and family members whatever, not one of us
ever thought about putting a cat into a refrigerator until
it died, right, like, absolutely, no rights, that's not normal there.

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And there were also like the feelings, not only just
these completed feelings regarding his mother and everything. He had
an older brother who was actually like the favored child. Yeah,
it was his older brother. His name was Gregory. Gregory
was seen as more accomplished and intelligent, which left Gary
feeling overshadowed and inadequate.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Right we Gary, he was very very normal. His IQ
was like eighty two, I think into low eighties or something.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I'm not sure, a little below average if.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Big brother was seen as the star and Gary already
had inadequacies, if you will so kind of touch on
that a little bit, if.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You academically and socially, especially Gary faced significant challenges from
a very young age. Low IQ, like Daniel said, around
eighty two, I mean that's a below average intelligence. It's
like I think the average hovers around one hundred for

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IQ points. Anyway, he suffered from dyslexia, which made school
a constant struggle for him, so he was a very
poor student. He often felt isolated from his peers and
had to repeat at least one grade twice before advancing.
These issues compounded his feelings of embarrassment, humiliation, and just

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discomfort around other people, especially as peers, so that fostered
a pattern of social withdrawal, and he attended I don't
know how to pronounce his Taiee High school, ty, I
think it's just maybe Thie High School in SeaTac, Washington,
where he remained pretty much unremarkable and you know, still

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tried to fit in all the time, but like basically
nobody you would have ever I just remembered.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it was just it was just kind of the
one in the shadows. Nobody really paid attention to him. Uh.
And there's so many kids I fall into that right now,
And uh, it's hard to imagine that kids that are
just in the middle can be I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
These are the kids that we always see like they
kind of fall through the cracks a little bit. Like
I said, unremarkable, like the teachers don't really notice in
the kind of fade into the background, so I don't
know what you're looking at, like you're moving all sorts
of stuff show stream.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
It was there and then it went away to click
it again.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I say, you guys, we're still learning.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So there you go. Now now you guys, Okay, it's mack,
you got it. Got it.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
While we're doing this, uh are we sending ok Kobe?
Is it sounding okay?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Sounding good on my end? I haven't actually clicked on
any of the audio stuff yet, but I will in
a second.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, yeah, just this kind of monitor. Rick, I'm really
paranoid about what's going on. So so if you don't
mind this this doing that, that'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay. So yeah, yeah, we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, I'm sorry, that's my fault. I was in the background.
I'm still trying to learn, So I got I got.
I threw her off track.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
We was talking about him being in Thai High School
in SeaTac, Washington, very very into shadows. You use the
word unremarkable, and I think I said forgettable.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
But yeah, he just he kind of filed through the
cracks school.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Was he's one of those uh what I guess kind Yeah,
but all that's going to change is he gets a
little bit older.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, there is a pivotal moment that It was an
event that occurred during his early teen years, uh specifically
aged sixteen, which was around nineteen sixty five. Gary lures
a six year old boy into the woods and stabs
him in the chest, which pierced his ribs and liver
in what he later described as just an experiment to see,

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quote what it would be like to kill someone. He
was just curious. And this is a sixteen year old
boy who has now lured a child into the woods,
a seven a six year old boy. I mean that's
a first grader, just to put that into perspective. Now,

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the boy does survive this attack, but rich Way reportedly
walked away laughing after this, and this incident was his
first known act of violence, and it does, it honestly
does foreshadow the brutality that later defines his life that
we're going to get into tonight, and was linked by

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psychologists to his unresolved anger towards his mother. So I
think that almost like Ed Kemper, Ed Kemper's you know,
the co ed killer his victims and everything were a
replacement for his mother. They were a substitute for that.
And I think that that's kind of what this little
boy was was. He just wanted to see what it

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felt like, is what he says. And that's alarming because
I think that, yeah, maybe he did want to kill
his mother but didn't know if he could go through
with it just yet. So this was like his test subject,
which is scary. Again we're talking about a six year
old child.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, like you said, the test subject, just to see
if he could. Because, like I said, I know, it's
reported that the boy lives.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, it's a non fatal stabbing.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, but you know, he never gets charged with it
or anything. He gets completely scott free away with it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
He's sixteen years old at the time, so I mean
there probably was some kind of punishment, but not like
any kind of prison.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I didn't see anything about in GV or nothing, so
but you know that, and it was reported that once
he done it, he laughed about it. He actually was
laughing because it felt good to it. He knew that.
Who I liked this.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
And again that that should have been like the psychologist
and everything that he dealt with at this time. That
should have been like red flag. Yeah, like huge, huge
red flag. If you can laugh about stabbing a child,
there is something deeply, deeply wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean, if it'd been one thing, if he stabbed
and had that moment of watching where am I doing,
or you.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know, felt some kind of remorse afterwards, like oh this
is real now, like I've actually hurt this child, right,
But there was none of that. No, he thought it
was funny.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Basically, he got what he wanted and laughed about it
all the way.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Well, he didn't get what he wanted because he said
he wanted to see what it was like to kill someone,
and it was a non fatal stabbing, so he didn't
actually get to see what it liked to kill someone.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That's true, But okay.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Fast graduates from high school in nineteen sixty nine at
an unusually late age of twenty because remember I mentioned
that he failed at least one grade twice before being
passed along. After he graduates, he briefly attended community college,
and then he enlists in the US Navy. So overall,

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Gary's childhood and his early teens are characterized by family dysfunction, abuse,
academic failure, emerging violent impulses to say the lead factors
that experts have always cited as contributing to his later
crimes and other killers that we have talked about before
and will talk about in the future. We see this

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pattern time and time again, over and over. These details
emerged primarily from his own confessions during his two thousand
and three trial and his interviews with forensic psychologists.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So is it basically a classic serial killer cocktail. You
got the domineering, overbearing mother. You've got sexual repression.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And sexual confusion too, given his mother's behavior.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's what I was about to add. Yeah, I put
in the mom in there too. It's not just repression,
it's confusion.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And all the repression probably comes in because like he's
having these feelings about his mother, but it's his mother,
and even he knows.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's wrong exactly. And then of course now we know
about the cruelty to animals. That's added in there now.
So basically him stabbing that six year old kid when
he was fifteen or sixteen, luring him into the woods,
putting a knife in his chest like that, and then
he walked away laughing because he was feeling powerful that

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it was his first stase of control. He didn't understand.
He didn't kill him, so it didn't get that satisfaction.
But he knew that he could.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right, He knew that he could actually put that knife
into another human being.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So I mean that right, there was a seed, and
you know, seeds don't just stay seeds, they actually grow
into something much more.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Right, we have again, this is a pattern that y'all
probably see in each of our episodes, like the fantasies
always escalate, yep, Like he was not freaked out by
this first stabbing, even if it was non fatal. It
just let him know that he was capable of doing it,
and he enjoyed doing it.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It just proved that it was possible and that he
could get away with it. So let this recap kind
of get into it now, because it's going to get
long here in a minute, when you go, yeah, we're
going to.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Try to get through this because we do have another
show coming on after us, so we're going to try
to wrap this up on time.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So again, it's the earliest eight early eighties, Seattle, Washington again,
Pacific Northwest. Your aunt Pam has a good word for
a disc before.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
That's exactly what he found. Yeah, using you for about
it another one of those ten dollars words. Anyway, So Bridgeway,
he starts prowling. Now this is like early eighties eighty three,
I think, you know. So he's starting prowling. He's picking
up prostitutes, hitchhikers, runaways. He picks them up in his pickup.

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He promises them a little cash or whatever. But instead
of that, he actually delivers death. That's what That's the
only thing they got from.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, And it's always so heartbreaking when we talked about
cases specifically like this, because again, these are victims of opportunity.
These are oftentimes like young girls too, like maybe even
in their teens up into adulthood, but they've also kind
of fallen through the cracks. Nobody really cares about them.

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They're basically transient too, like they move on frequently. But yeah,
victims of opportunity. And I mean again, that just it
breaks my heart that these girls are so easily able
to slip through the cracks, right that we don't notice

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when they go missing, or we don't think anything about
it when they do.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And you see that a lot, Yeah, that's a lot.
That's a very com and victim profile.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yes, it absolutely is. I mean you got the the
odd man out, like you know, the ted Bundies or something.
Who I mean these girls that he targeted were not
on the outskirts of society. I mean these were just
normal girls, right, But Gary his mo O, his motive operation. Basically,

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he strangled most of them with ligatures like not as
bare hands. He used like shoelaces, ropes, sometimes his bare hands,
sometimes while he was having sex with them, and then
he would dump the bodies like there were nothing.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
More than trash, right, And a lot of times he
dumped them in the river itself.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right, And to him they were trash. I mean they
they didn't matter. They weren't people, you know, they didn't matter.
That's how the Green River Task Force got his name,
because bodies kept showing up in or around that specific
river up there. They pulled five women out in just
one week. Man, that's almost one per day.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So imagine being a cop and standing knee deep in
water dragging up body after body within a seven day
time frame.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like to me, I can't seem to wrap my brain
around that, Like that's one body is awful, right, but
then you've got just one after another until you got
five total in just a week. That's it.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean, and they were literally having to go
into the water for a lot of time getting them out.
They were some on the banks, but I think mainly
they just washed up on the banks. But now the investigator,
in his own words, quoting, he said, we knew we
had a serial killer. Nobody dumps five bodies in the

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river unless he means to send a message. And that's
kind of what you was talking about, just trying to
imagine five bodies all at once, you know, within a week, basically, right,
So them saying that they knew this ain't just the
one that done kind of things. They knew something was crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
And a lot of these bodies weren't heavily decomposed. I mean,
they were fairly fresh. So again, he's killing at this
point almost one every day for a week. I mean,
that's that's ridiculous. But like I said, he targeted women
that he thought no one would miss, right. But every
single one of them, and I always want to say
this because we are parents. Every single one of these

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is someone's daughter, someone's sister, there's someone's someone. So I
mean that's we always I know we're focusing on Gary
a lot here, but it always stays in the forefront
of my mind. These are actually their stories, these women's stories,
these girls' stories.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, well, you have to tell the story of the
killers to at the plate. But that's why at the
end of every show we have that immemoriam where we
read off of that, and tonight we've got fifty two
names or something tonight.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
So yeah, some are close to that, I mean, but
the victims are always someone worth more than just being
reduced to a statistic. Yeah, uh, they're I mean, these
are young. Most of these under twenty five, Like I said,
some were just teenagers.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think they said the youngest one was fourteen.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I mean, that's two years younger than our own daughters.
So I mean that that always sticks with me, like
that gives me that lump in my throat every time
we talk about stuff like this. And he would, like
Gary would actually cluster them sometimes three four bodies in
the same place. Investigators said it looked like a dump site,
like a landfill for women, Which that's an image right

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there in your head, Like, yeah, every landfill for women.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Everyone's seen landfills. We know what they look like. Maybe
not in person, but you've seen pictures. Yeah, and just
a landfill of women that's just a dumping ground, quite literally.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
And these clusters actually were trophies in a way to him.
He kept going back. I mean that's what said. He
kept revisiting the bodies.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, he kept going back kind of like you know,
he was visiting his kill sites like a hunter checking
his traps. You know, he would go back every time.
But I guess it's not really just checking the traps,
because what he was doing was and y'all, I'm sorry,

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but he was they no other way say, he was
having sex for the core corpses.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, we're not talking about just plain murder and dumping
and everything. He was a necrophiliac.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Like you said, he would go back to them. That's
why he left them in clusters. I think. So they
were these are access and all together. And Ridgeway is
quoted and saying here about why he would be well

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practicing declophilia while he was having sex with the corpses. Quote,
I did it because it was free and I didn't
have to worry about them getting pregnant or saying no.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And see that's I don't even have words for that, honestly,
Like you hear something like that, Like of course he
was targeting like prostitutes and sex workers. So one it
was free, yeah, and then like two they they couldn't
say no and they couldn't get pregnant.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, there's that to me. I mean, it sounds so
bad to say this, but as crazy as he was,
or as sick as he was, I'm not going to
say crazy. As sick as.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
He was, he had logic that ASP is a twisted
kind of logic, but I mean, I guess.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
In his mind, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Now. I actually mentioned this to Daniel earlier. At the
time that all these murders by Ridgeway were going on
the FBI. This was kind of the heyday of the
Behavioral Science Unit, the BSU. You got John Douglas, you
had Hagmyer and everything Bill Hagmyer that were kind of

(31:33):
the front runners, and they're the superstars basically like from
mind Hunter if you've ever seen that show, that's them.
They actually reach out to another serial killer for insight.
And they did this actually for two reason. It's like one, yes,
they did want the insight and everything from another serial killer,
but two because they were actually trying to get this

(31:55):
serial killer to confess to crimes that he was saying
he was innocent of. And everybody knows who this killer was.
This was Ted Bundy. He was sitting on death row
at the.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Time, yep. And it kind of reminded me because when
you said because he didn't do it out of the
kind of of his heart, it was literally it was ego, Yeah,
Bundy say pro we had something quid pro Yeah, So
he was getting something out of it too. It reminded
me of Silence of the Lambs where they was using

(32:28):
Hannibal Lectern was.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, they were asking him for you know, evident or
insight onto the Buffalo Bill killings and everything. But he
wanted something in retirement too by the investigator who was
questioning him.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
But now now Ted Bundy. It wasn't anything as as
romanticized as that movie was, but it's still again Ted
wouldn't just be nice and out of kindness of the heart.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
He was, But again the other they were manipulating Bundy
at this point because he was still maintaining his innocence right,
wouldn't admit to anything. There were still women missing that,
you know, they kind of thought were him, but they
couldn't prove or they didn't find the bodies or anything.
So the investigators are going to him not only to

(33:14):
try and get insight on this other killer that they're tracking,
but also they're saying, well, hey, if you were to
do this, how would you do it right? And he
opened up because again they're playing to his ego here.
So I just always thought that was kind of a
neat little tidbit, but it was very, very chilling. One

(33:36):
of Ted Bundy's quotes that was recorded in these sessions,
he told the investigators, quote, He's not dumping those bodies
and walking away, He's reliving it if you want him.
Watched the graves. Bundy knew that this man, unknown at
the time, was going to revisit the dumping grounds. Who

(33:56):
was going to revisit the bodies? Ted Bundy knew this.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, he even told him to stake out the dump site.
So they wanted to catch him.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, that was how you were going to catch him.
When you have somebody, have some way to monitor those sites,
that's how you were going to find him.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Now And I mean, you say whatever you want to,
but damn it. Bundy was right on that, because Bridgeway
was one hundred percent going back. But Ridgeway again, he
at eighty two level like you do, he say eighty
two Yeah, so not book smart by the means, but
he was smart enough to stay u uncalled right so long.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
That's why we can't say that he was insane, because
insane is actually a clinical term and is it means
that somebody cannot tell right from wrong and they think
that what they're doing is not wrong. But the fact
that he took he went to great links to conceal
the crimes and you know, hide himself and protect himself. No,
he knew exactly what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
He I want I would say he was, you know,
like wildly like a fox, but I don't want to
say that about a thoughts. So basically he was just
kind of slippery, you know. He he knew how to
slip away and and and I think.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It's a cleverness. I always say that. I always say
that evil may not always be smart, but it's clever.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
And again, like I said, Ridgeway was hiding in plan Yeah,
he was hiding in playing side. He said he was
married three different times. He went to work every day,
he blended into suburbia where he lived just like any
other neighbor. So but he wasn't as invisible to the

(35:48):
police as we may as we're coming across now again.
Nineteen eighty three, Seattle, the police knew they had a
predator out there. They they knew that someone was targeting
especially these women of the night and things like that.
So they wound up forming the Green River Task Force

(36:12):
because they had hundreds of leaves, they had piles of
evidence that they could not get to stick for no reason.
They was getting extremely frustrated. And that's when they went
to Ted Bundy eventually, because they knew they had a
monster out there and they was trying to catch you, and.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
That Bundy was a monster himselves. So what better way
to understand a monster than to talk to a monster exactly,
someone who gets it, who has done it, who has
been there.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yep, and the like I said, Gary Ridgeway was on
the police's radar. And I'm gonna run through a few.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Things a little bit of a time down here.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So nineteen eighty three, Gary Ridgeway first became a suspect
in the spring time after a witness saw a victim
getting to a truck that was connected to him. I'm
assuming that was probably him picking up a prostitute and someone.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Else telling you, like when we were running their and
today I was like, this is how they really kind
of honed in on him. They knew what kind of
vehicle tool.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, so the police goes to his home and they
don't take him in. They go to his home. They
questioned him there, but he denied, you know, knowing the victim,
he played dumb, no idea what was going on. But
during the encounter the police later kind of talked about
it that he deliberately stood up against the fence propped

(37:40):
up talking to him so he could scrap, so he
could hide the scratches that was on his arm.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
And the victim was there were marks and everything. These
women tried to defend themselves as best they could. So, yeah,
now we're in nineteen you said nineteen eighty threety three,
we're in nineteen eighty four. Now. Bridgeway voluntarily spoke with
detectives and he agreed to take a polygraph test. He
passed the test due to his calm demeanor, normal appearance,

(38:05):
and detectives moved on to other leads. But I have, like,
I want to do a whole episode on polygraph tests.
And there's a reason why they're not admissible in court
anymore because, yes, I have seen videos of killers being
completely calm, cool and collected, and we know what they did,
but they still pass that test.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, there's even videos and articles and stuff written about
how to pool those tests.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Now, me, it's an entirely different thing. Like y'all know me,
I have really severe anxiety. I would probably like it
would show up that I was lying when they asked
me if my name was Laura, but I would be
freaking out and everything, just being hooked up to this machine.
They'd be like, is your name really Laura? Though?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Like I would fail it just on that alone.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, and I've done nothing.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Now, Like I said, he voluntarily went in to do this.
I wonder if he kind of knew that he could
trick it, you know, if he needs some ways of
doing it, or if he was just that this.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Point nineteen eighty four, I don't know how common really
and how popular polygraphs were, because I mean they test
everything like your heart rate, respiration, all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
So but maybe he just thought if he remained calm
and he just answered their questions, you know, yes, no, whatever.

(39:36):
I don't know what he was thinking. I can't put
myself in those shoes right.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, like Pam said, he was very, very manipulative, and
he's true. I saw a video where he has been
interviewed and they asked about some of the things he
would do, some of the tricks to get the women
to trust him, and he said one of his favorite
things to do is he would purposely lay out his
billfold so when he opened and it to show his
id right across from it was pictures of his son

(40:04):
and his kids.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
His kids basically as baked.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, he even said that. He even said the first
few times he had a picture of his wife in
there and he realized, well that he didn't think that
might He felt the son, the kids actually be more
or less of a thread or whatever, more comfortable from.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
The sea because about it. I mean, even back then,
you can get a photo of just any female family
member and stick at your wallet and say, oh, that's
my wife.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But so he decided he made the decision to use
a photo of his children because he felt that put
the younger women more at.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Ease if he if they thought he was a family
man and everything that he.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Wouldn't exactly kind of made a father figure look for
him when he picked him up, especially on the younger ones.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
I mean, and that's that to me is just sadistic,
like to use your children as basically like a fishing.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
War, right you know? So again and nineteen one hundred
and eighty seven police searchedway Ridgeway's home and his truck
after he was seen with two victims. They collected the
saliva sample at that point, but against eighty seven, the
technology for DNA I just wasn't able to connect it

(41:17):
to the semen and other fluots that they found on
the victims.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I mean, so in nineteen eighty sevens that's the year
I was born, right, So in eighty seven they did
least at least DNA was coming along that they did
take a swap to like it took years at this
point to ever get results.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, And if you want to talk about that, actually again,
you said that was in eighty seven. It wasn't until
two thousand and one when the case was broken open
again with advances for the DNA technology that allowed a
forensic scientist to match that saliva sample from nineteen eighty
seven to the DNA that was found on the victims.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
So yeah, it took fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, and that like, so that took those fourteen years.
They ain't telling how many more we killed, but at
least that's a liva test from ninety eighty, from nineteen
eighty seven all the way to two thousand and one
connected to the other floods, almost two decades after his

(42:21):
first question. Twenty years almost, Yeah, eighty three the first
time he was questioned until two thousand and one. He
was on the radar that that long, but they never
had enough evidence to really I.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Mean, that's like you said earlier, how slippery he was.
He was just so good at this. I mean, DNA
does finally crack it. But you know, by the late nineties,
science has started to really catch up, like we actually
see you know, more of the DNA technology become common. Yeah,

(42:58):
So they pulled the old evidence, which was seeming from
victims paint flax, from which Ridgeway's job at the truck planned,
and in two thousand and one is when they finally
arrested it.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
They had witness testimony and stuff like that too. As
part of evidence because the vehicle he drove at the
time matched many many reports, and that they had reports
of him that looked close enough too. That's really what
started off the original investigation in him. But that DNA

(43:31):
spot finally took it. And again a lot of I
think a lot of reasons he got away with it
is just the way he looked like the detectives and investigators.
One detective actually says this, he didn't look like a monster.
He looked like a tired old man. But when we
told him we had his DNA, he just dropped his

(43:51):
head and he knew it was over.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
So at least there's something like he didn't try to run,
he didn't try to say, oh, you got the man,
like he just drops us in, yes, okay, you got me.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
And at that point he knew he was caught. So
that's when he started the confessions. And there's all these
confessions are videoed and you can go online and look
him up for yourselves. But it is a long, very
detailed of telling and confessions. I mean it's almost very
casual the way he just tells the police everything. He

(44:28):
told the detectives that he lost count on how many
he killed, but that his goal wasn't even one hundred.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
See. That's that's also another thing that kind of sticks
with me that he said he had a goal for
how many to kill. And there are some other certain
types of killers that also want to outdo, you know,
the big ones throughout history, but I mean, he probably
is like the first one I've really heard of a

(44:55):
prominent one that said that he had a specif right, Like,
not only was this a compulsion for him, like he
felt like he had to do it for whatever twisted reasons,
like it was just that was in him, but the
fact that he was like, Okay, well, if I'm going
to do this, let's see if I can make.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
A hundred, right. He said that in his in his
first confession, he one of the quotes is I killed
so many women. I have a hard time keeping them straight.
I wanted to kill as many as I could, and
he did, I.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Mean as many as he possibly could. Yeah, And again
he's not killing for rage, which is kind of unnerving.
Bundy had his moments of rage. Kemper was very angry
with his mother, so that's why he killed Jeffrey Dahmer
was lonely and you know, boyfriends and everything kept leaving him,
His family kept leaving him and all that. There was

(45:52):
an element of anger and rage there with him too.
Gasey definitely was rage. But I mean this is not
thrill killing or anything. He was just killing for convenience.
He said that prostitutes were easy.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I mean he even says to himself, well, I picked
prostitutes because I thought I could kill as many as
I wanted without getting caught.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
And there it is. That's why he targeted.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Them again, victims of opportunity.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
And that's they said, that's not madness, he's not crazy,
that's actual cold calculation.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, that's that's premeditated. That is cold blooded.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, and it tells us something that we've mentioned before
and we'll say it again. I'm sure that it's something
very ugly about how society values or doesn't value certain lives.
And the prostitutes and ah, and there's one case too
that we'll get into later that is indigenous people, right,

(46:54):
they just are not valued. They're they're easily overlooked.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, not necessarily undervalue. But and when we do an
episode on that, we'll touch on how like especially Native
American cultures and everything they have their own police force
and they don't want to work with the US on
solving these crimes, right. I mean, that's a whole different
episode that will eventually do.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
But we've seen where they will use, for instance, homosexuals,
the prostitutes to run aways, the hits, people that are
are easily missed, and we've seen it up, especially with prostitutions,
that the cops don't really seem to put much effort

(47:40):
into protecting those people.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And I mean two kind of play Devil's advocate on
that end. It's mainly because a lot of times prostitutes
and everything they move on so frequently. They're very transient,
Like they don't have solid homes, you know, they don't
have anywhere to go, they don't have like firm addresses.
They don't really have people in their daily life other

(48:06):
than other prostitutes and other other sex workers that see
them just on the streets every day, right, No close friends,
no family, So when they disappear, they're like, oh, she
always talked about moving on, so we thought she just left,
you know. So there is that aspect to this as well.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And but I think it's I think it's kind of alarming,
especially back then, how easily the authorities were to go
to that.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I mean there was hardly any looking into this. They
took their for the missing person and everything, but there
really wasn't any looking into it after that.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
No. He And again that's why they I think that's
why they go after people like that, because they know
they'll fall through the cracks.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Like I keep saying, victims of opportunity is what they're called,
because it's always been known, yep, that they were the
easier targets.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Well, Ridgeway he struck a plea deal in two thousand
and three. Remember he was arrest in two thousand and
one and started telling this tale. He pled guilty to
forty eight counts to avoid the death penalty. He gave names, mounts, locations,
he worked with the police. He was very, very open.

(49:29):
He kept he's able to close all those open cases
on at least forty eight and in its change for that,
he got life multiple times over in prison, but he did.
He avoided the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah. Basically he chose to rot in prison then die.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, and hopefully he's just rotting.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
And my gut instinct every time I hear stuff like this.
My gut instinct is, you know, if I'm the attorney
or something like no, no plea deal, you're dying. Yeah, But
at the same time, he wouldn't have given up that
information had he not been given this deal exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, he wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So we have to know this in order to get
closure for these women and their families and whoever cared
about them.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, a lot of times it's easy to say that
they shouldn't have a long drawn out trial and not
agree with that kind of stuff. But again, you got
a way to the other side of it because now these
all these open cases, all these cold cases, all that
he was able to close them out and give some
sort of closure to the families.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, these people, they finally knew what happened to their lovelies, right,
So I mean, I get it. But at the same time,
again my gut reaction is like, I know, a needle electrocution,
whatever it is in your state, just that's it, you know.
But there was one of the victim statements, because you know,

(50:57):
victims often are able to give a victim statement at
the end of the trial. One of the the statements
from one of the victims family said, quote, you had
the face of an average guy, but you turned out
to be the devil.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, yep. The again YouTube whatever you wanna go to.
You can look at a lot of the videos from
the courtrooms and the statements. One that struck me was
a father and throughout this court hearings. Now he's he

(51:31):
said in court throughout all of it, and he was
very emotional. He was crying. He he had these crocodile
tears going. He was talking about how sorry he was.
I don't personally think that was anything other than those
those tiers was for himself. You know that he got
caught yep, and wasn't for the forty eight that we

(51:53):
know of the well over seventy that he agreed to.
I mean, I think probably over one hundred or more easily.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So he turned Washington State into a graveyard.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, I think those tears will show,
but you know, it is what it is. But anyways,
at one point during the trial, he was listening to
the families to their statements because they had the opportunity
to get up and talk. And my father got up

(52:29):
and spoke to him, A big man, big white beard
and everything, and uh, yeah, a little bit, and he
actually told him that that through the power of Christ,
that he forgives him. And when he said that, Ridgeway

(52:52):
actually makes sound pretty hard, So I think he did
feel the emotion on that one. Maybe I don't know.
I mean I would like to think so. But there
was another.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
One I can't remember which case it was. We were
talking about victim statements and everything, and another family said
about the same thing, and I was like, I admire
that so much because I don't think that I would
have that in me, to be able to sit there
and look that person dead in the face after they
murdered my child and say I forgive you. I just

(53:23):
don't know that I have it in me. I know
I'm supposed to, but I just I don't know. I
just don't think I can. I can do that.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
No, I would like to think I could, but I
never want to be in that.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, I mean in that situation.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
The situation. But like this picture I got on the screen. Now,
look at his lawyer's face right there. He's got his
head down, so I know he has a right to
a lawyer, to a defense, but you can tell that
that poor man probably don't.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I don't know. I mean I've always said if I
ever could be a lawyer and everything, that would have
to be like a prosecuting attorney or something, because if
that kind of came across my desk could be like,
there's no way I can actually do this and do
it right.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I don't know, like, especially given the confessions. You know,
this man is guilty. I just I don't especially given
the ages of some of his victims. His child victims
to me are the worst or worst, oh.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
For sure, because it's that extra layer of innocence, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I mean y'all have heard me sometimes d're in the
memorial like choking up and everything, especially when we're talking
about kids. I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Well, There's been several times you'll pass it over to
me to read through some of the stuff or to
take the lead, especially when it comes to kids.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
So yeah, I mean his lawyer's face just in that
photo is it speaks volume.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, I mean, I'll just put it back up there
real quick. But yeah, you Ridgeway may not feel that
much remorse, but the lawyer right there beside him is
just he's just done. He's just hurt right there. But
I had some other pictures that that showed Ridgeway crying

(55:23):
these big crocodile tears. But I decided not to share
him because again, I don't believe he was.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I don't think that he really ever felt any kind
of remorse.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Non, So I'm not gonna give him that. But so
he will die behind bars. There's no there's no way
to get there's no.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Parole offer, like nothing. Yeah, Like, like we said, he's
going to run behind bars.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
We have to do because we're going real fast. We
got to cast you. So he Now, the scars he
left are generational. They're going to last forever. Basically, Uh,
families will never be whole again.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
These investigators and apparently that lawyer, Uh, they're gonna be
haunted by this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Uh, the city's up there knows that that river that's
not a place to go swimming and go and go
fishing and relaxing anymore, that that river is tainted.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Now, I mean, can you imagine that like going to
hang out at this river is a big river. Yeah,
like going to hang out or going to fish there
or something, and like you see a body mm hmm.
That's traumatic as hell.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And apparently pile's Like.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, because he would done them like in the same spots,
Like he would go back to the same spot where
he dump one body, dump another one, and then go
back again and dump a third one and so on.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Well, you had to know that they were pretty seclude
and hidden places or because they would be found too
soon if he.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Didn't, right, So yeah, he was actively trying to hide
this as long as he could. He knew the bodies
would be discovered in the river because I mean, that's
just logical eventually.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, he may have been low IQ and everything, but
he's not stupid here.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
And the fact that he would go back and we
already talked about why he would go back to have
sex with him. But we all know what water does
to a body. Water doesn't preserve no dead bodies. They
deteriorate very very very quickly.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Right, And usually it's the gases inside the body, Like
once decomposition starts and everything the body does bloat, yes,
and the gases inside the body or what makes it float.
Usually that's why they police and everything call them floaters
as crude as it is, but that's what it does.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah, the water deteriorates so the speeds up the process,
and it's not a pretty side at all. It's uh,
you know how your fingers get wrinkly when you're in
the water for too long, you know, Well, the whole
body does that, and to an extent, very very blue,
very very pale, almost slushy, if that is fair to.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Say, And after a certain amount of time, the skin
will slough off.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah. So him going back again, that adds a whole
other layer of depravity and sickness to me.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, I mean we I don't know how soon he
went back to each of those bodies that he revisited.
Hopefully it was not too too late, because again, otherwise,
like we're talking beyond sicker than what we already know
about him.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Maybe he that's why he killed so many is to
keep a fresh supply. I know that sounds extremely crude, but.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, I don't even try to put myself in that
kind of mindset. I just I can't. My brain doesn't
go there.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
No, because we're normal, we.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Don't, well, I mean as normal as I can be anywhere.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Right, Definitely, nothing on this level. Lord, No, I mean,
but this goes to show you that you have to
be alert and pay attention because evil again hides in
plain sight. It smiles at neighbors, it shakes hands at church,

(59:37):
it drives a pickup truck to work.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Look at the killers in history. We've seen this done
with the Ted Buddies, the John Wayne Gacy's. I wouldn't
put Dahmer in there because people did think it was
a little bit weird and all that kind of stuff.
Gacy Bundy like pillars of their communities even BTK, you
know why he was a deacon in his church, and

(01:00:01):
that's actually how he got caught.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
But the most prolific ones and the infamous ones, the
ones the names everybody knows, are these people that look normally.
They fit into society.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
If they don't have like the hunchback, you don't look
at them and think that's a monster right there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, like we said earlier, Disney movies actually getting the
story twisted a little bit because you see.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
The bad guy. Well, look at guests On. Let's take
Beauty and the Beast. Gas On was the pretty boy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Now that actually does fit, and so's the hunchback of
Notre Dame. That one actually fits. The older ones, it
was very easy to see the witch versus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
She looked like the old Chrone, the hag and everything.
The war saw this kind of stuff, like you look
for ugliness on the outside to determine and detect ugliness
on the inside too, and it just doesn't work that
way in reality.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
No, and it doesn't work here either, because like I said,
he was completely normal. And the Bible, now I'm gonna
get a little bit Christian here, the if you, if
you pay attention, the Bible give us these warnings because
the devil Lucifer. Uh, he was a most beautiful Yeah,
he was a beautiful angel. And he he doesn't come whereing.

(01:01:21):
Uh he's not shiny red with giant horns and the
and pitch fork and the and the pointy tail and
the and the hoofs and all that. That's hollywood, Okay, Uh,
Lucifer is beautiful. He is an angel. He's I think
it was probably the I think he was the strongest,
most powerful of the angels too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
He was able to take a third of heaven with
him when he fells or when he was cast out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, so uh, yeah, he's not the scary thing. And
the worst monsters here on here on earth are not
The scary monsters were told to look.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
For they don't look like you would think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, in this case, right here, this monster wore a
work shirt with his name stitched on the pocket. He
had a shirt and said Gary right there. And he
was the most prolific one until what you say, Samuel Little. Yeah,
Samuel Little.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
That's another one, probably some well Samuel Little at least
when they caught him and everything. You know, dead eyes
for me though, that's what always does it is the eyes.
So every time I saw like a photo or an
interview with Samuel Little or something, there was enoughing if
the eyes of the windows to the soul this man.
Those eyes were looking into an.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Empty room but still on the outside without looking too close.
He's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I mean he looked like a normal guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, perfectly normal guy. It's just and I imagine Ridgeway's
eyes if you look at him, he's probably got some
dead in there too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Oh like you know, you know me, I've watched documentaries,
I've watched interviews all this kind of stuff. Like Ted
Bunny was actually probably one of the more scary ones
because he was animated. There was something there in his
eyes and it was joy. It was like glee there,
like that's terrifying to me. I'd rather see the dead
eyes that, you know, the windows of the soul that's

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looking into an empty room. I'd rather see that because
I can, I can reconcile that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, at that point, that fits, that's the point you
can see the monster.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah. But I mean the ones who like they talk
about it, and you can see just in their eyes,
in their entire face, like that, they don't feel bad
about what they did at all. They enjoyed every second.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Right, Yeah, to lack of a better term, they got
off on it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
So, but again, this this ritually guy, I would like
to know why he got divorced three times or twice
he was married three times, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Have so probably some of you's there or they knew about,
like at least the cheating, Yeah, and his infidelities with
the prostitute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Because apparently he would pick up so many of them
so often.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
He was recognizable. Yeah, and to these other women on
the streets and everything, they knew who he was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
They recognized the truck, they recognized him and the uh so,
I'm sure maybe that was one of the reasons of
the divorce. But again, infidelity is bad, is bad. Okay,
he's bad. Okay, but it ain't killing folks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Right, Like that's something you can get by, Like if
you were ever to cheat, okay, fine, me and you
could probably come to terms with that. We can work
that out. I found out you killed her though, that's
a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Sweet, So I can sleep with them. Just don't kill
them after got it, y'all? No, no, no, no, y'all
heard it first right here. She just gave me permission.
I gotta go find my list that we made. Why
would we call that the hall Pass list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah, it's gonna be like that episode of Friends Rachel
to hit on Isabelle Russellini, Like, I'm just glad. I'm
just said, I ain't got popcorn for this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
The ross is horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, but we digress.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, we congress.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
That's say, we've kind of burned through a lot of
the big facts of the case already, and you know
we're still like an hour before time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So yeah, I mean we've walked a pretty long stretch
of this day, if you will. And uh, I mean
Gary Ridgeway, he turned women into numbers. That's one of
the things that he did. Like you said, I've killed
so many I just don't remember. That's what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
I mean, that's again I can't make my brain go there. Yeah,
like to kill that many people that you don't even
remember them anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
So to him, they didn't have any names, you know,
they were just numbers and uh but here at Front
Porch Forensics, we'd like to turn those numbers back into names.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
We do our best to you anyway, There's always in
cases like this, we always have something that are still unknown.
But we still try to make sure that like we mentioned, like, hey,
you know, think about all these women that we don't
know of silk, Yeah, because they are out there, silk
and they matter just as much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
The only thing we can do is tell about the
ones that we know. I mean, we can can't name
the ones that we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I say, we can't give names to the unnamed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah exactly, but we can shine the porkslot on the
ones that we do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
That's what we always try to do. We just we
always want them to be remembered in honor, and that's
why we always do it at the end of the
show because those are the names that you hear last,
those are the ones that are gonna stick with you
and I know we've got some pictures of it. He's
you know, I think you said what about forty I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Think there was forty of them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, Like, I know, we're wrapping up early tonight, but
there's not a whole lot more we can really go
into on this. We can just end up sitting here
talking and shooting the breeze.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
We're going to talk about the bullshit with Charlie Kirk
after this, so we're gonna we're gonna move into that
a little bit because I can't stay quiet on that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Okay, Yeah, I know you said you thought about mentioning it,
So we'll talk a little bit on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It's been on my mind. I got to say a
little bit. And I know Rix in the background, so
he can jump into I know he's been talking about
on his show a lot there today and we can
plug his show as well. But let's do them in memoriam.
I wanted to get that through. Yeah, there's fifty two names. Now,
he made a deal their pictures up for it. Yeah,
he made a deal on forty eight of them. But

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we have fifty two confirmed names that we will look
into and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Pull the photos that Daniel is gonna put up on
screen real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, I think there's about forty of the photos here.
But again, like I said, there's more out there. We
know there's more out there. This is just the ones
that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Yeah, like I said, we just these were These were
somebody's somebody at one point. It didn't matter what got
them to the point that they were at in their lives.
It does not matter. All these these women they have names,

(01:08:39):
So it's Wendy Lee Cawfield nineteen sixty six to July
eighth of nineteen eighty two, Giselle, and LaVarne. I think
it's how you pronounce your name. And again we if
I butchered the names, I apologize profusely. She was born
February twenty sixth, nineteen sixty five. Died July seventeenth of

(01:09:01):
nineteen eighty two. Debrelynn Bonner October thirty first, nineteen fifty
eight to July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty two. Marcia K.
Chapman from nineteen fifty one to August first of nineteen
eighty two. Cynthia Jane Hines February twenty third, nineteen sixty

(01:09:23):
five to August eleventh, nineteen eighty two. Opal Charmaine Mills
April twelfth, nineteen sixty six to August twelfth of nineteen
eighty two. Casey Ann Lee nay Woods, So she at
least was married at one point February twenty sixth of
nineteen sixty six to August twenty eighth of nineteen eighty two,

(01:09:46):
her body was never found.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Now that's this one that he was able to remember basically,
but they were unable to recover the body.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Then there's Terry Renee Milligan January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty
six to August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty two. Mary Bridget
Mehan May sixteenth, nineteen sixty four to September fifteenth, nineteen
eighty two. Devorah Lorraine Estes September twelfth, nineteen sixty seven

(01:10:16):
to September twentieth, nineteen eighty two. Linda Jane Rule nineteen
sixty six to September twenty sixth of nineteen eighty two,
Denise Darcel Bush nineteen fifty nine to October eighth, nineteen
eighty two, Shonda Leah Summers nineteen sixty five to October nine,

(01:10:39):
nineteen eighty two. Shirley Marie Cheryl nineteen sixty four to
October of nineteen eighty two. Rebecca Rebecky Morrero August fourth,
nineteen sixty two to December third, nineteen eighty two, Colleen
Rene Brockman nineteen sixty eight to December twenty fourth, nineteen

(01:11:02):
eighty two. Sandra Denise Major nineteen sixty two to December
twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two. Alma and Smith nineteen sixty
four to March third, nineteen eighty three, Dolores Laverne Williams
June twenty ninth, nineteen sixty five to March eighth, nineteen

(01:11:24):
eighty three, Gail Lynn Matthews nineteen fifty nine or nineteen
sixty to April tenth of nineteen eighty three, Andrea M.
Childers nineteen sixty four to April fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.
Sandra K. Gabbert March seventh, nineteen sixty six to April

(01:11:45):
seventeenth of nineteen eighty three, Kimmy Kai Pitzer October twenty first,
nineteen sixty six to April seventeenth, nineteen eighty three. Marie M.
Malver A April first, nineteen sixty five to April thirtieth
of nineteen eighty three. We have one unidentified. She died

(01:12:09):
before May nineteen eighty three. She was found March twenty first,
nineteen eighty four. Carol and Christensen May twenty two, nineteen
sixty one to May eighth, nineteen eighty three. You can
read some of yeah if you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Martina Teresa authorly March twenty first, nineteen sixty five. Found
on May twenty second, nineteen eighty three. Cheryl Lee Williams
nineteen sixty six to May twenty third, nineteen eighty three.
Vaughn Shelley Antosh again nineteen sixty four. Found on March

(01:12:52):
thirty first, nineteen three. I'm seeing sorry. May thirty first,
nineteen eighty three. Carrie Anne Rose Royce maybe February fifteenth,
nineteen sixty eight. The May thirty first, nineteen eighty three.
Constance Elizabeth known June twenty ninth, nineteen sixty two, the
June eighth, nineteen eighty three. Kelly K. Mcguinnis April seventeenth,

(01:13:16):
nineteen sixty four to June twenty eighth, nineteen eighty three.
This is another body that wasn't found. This is just
one that he was able to recall and remember.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
But the April seventeenth, nineteen sixty five sixty four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
That's six five. Kelly Marie Whare November nineteenth, nineteen sixty
July nineteenth, nineteen eighty three. Tina Marie Thompson either nineteen
sixty one or nineteen sixty two and was found July
twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. April down Buttram nineteen sixty

(01:13:51):
six to August eighteenth, nineteen eighty three, Debbie May Abernethy
nineteen fifty seven to set Town, Vember first, nineteen eighty three.
Tracy Anne Winston September twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three September second,
nineteen eighty three, Mariene Sue Feene October fifth, nineteen sixty

(01:14:16):
three to September twenty eighth, nineteen eighty three, Mary Sue
Bello December twenty second, nineteen fifty seven October eleventh, nineteen
eighty three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And we have Pammy Annette Events November twenty third, nineteen
sixty six to October twenty sixth of nineteen eighty three.
Patricia Anne Osborne February second, nineteen sixty four to October
twenty eighth of nineteen eighty three. Her body was also
never found, Delise Louise Plaguer I think is her name.

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May sixteenth of nineteen sixty one to October thirtieth of
nineteen eighty three. Kimberly Kim Nelson either nineteen sixty one
or sixty two, found November first, nineteen eighty three. Lisa
Lorraine Yates nineteen sixty four to December twenty third, nineteen

(01:15:14):
eighty three. We have another unidentified. She died between December
nineteen eighty and January of nineteen eighty four. She was
found January second of nineteen eighty six. Mary West March sixth,
nineteen sixty seven to February sixth, nineteen eighty four. Cindy

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Ann Smith nineteen sixty six to March twenty first, nineteen
eighty four. May Butcher. This last named Patricia Michelle Barsak
March seventh, nineteen sixty seven to October seventeenth of nineteen
eighty six. Roberta Joseph Hayes nineteen sixty seven to February

(01:15:58):
seventh of nineteen eighty seven. Marta Callus Reeves nineteen fifty
three to March fifth of nineteen ninety. We have another
unidentified between nineteen seventy three and nineteen ninety three, So
that's a big jump there. She was found August twenty
first of two thousand and three. Patricia and yellow Robe.

(01:16:22):
January nineteen ninety eight was when she was found. We
have no information on her others. Again, like we said,
we're not confirmed that this animal because this is an animal,
let's just say it that way. He's not human anymore
at this point. He murdered. They all have names too,

(01:16:43):
and we may not know them, but like we always said,
they're every bit is important as the ones we all
just listed off, So always just send up a little
prayer for their souls, their families, anybody that they left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of those names that
we were talking about. The unidentified bodies again, those were
those are bodies that he could tell them where they were,
but he couldn't give them much other uh information to
kill time all that this abegue one, but we want

(01:17:20):
them recognized as well, even though they don't have a name,
uh exactly right, So we want to make sure that
those are remembered also because they do have families out there.
And that's really all the show we had because we
normally close on the immemorial. But again, I was more

(01:17:42):
preoccupied with trying to learn these things, so I didn't
keep the timing very well. But I do want to mention,
and there's not a lot we can add that hasn't
been brought up already about Charlie curR this spect week says.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
It's been all over the news. We do have the
suspect anyway, that allegedly shot him again in essential proven guilty.
But Tyler Robinson is his name. There A lot of
stuff is coming out A roommate or I would say,
I guess lover partner, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I mean the report I said, Saal said that they were,
you know, together a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Apparently they are cooperating with the police though, So.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Now there's some stuff coming out that that may not
be actually accurate. But how there's so many different stories
going on anyway, So before we get too far into this,
it's it's a good thing the last name that I
use on radio is not my actual last name, where
I would be really pissed to share a last name
with this person. Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Saying yeah, and that's a very common name, like Tyler
with that last name and everything, you know, there's a
whole bunch of boys in Utah that were.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Like what mean They were like, oh, hell not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, we had nothing to do with this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, I mean, and that's what happened in the beginning,
Like as soon as the name got dropped, there were
like leftist people just like pulling all these profiles from
people named Tyler Robinson. Oh is this him? Is this him?
Is this him? And one of the things that I
find the most absolutely hilarious is especially because the left
latched onto this almost immediately after the governor said yesterday, Well,

(01:19:26):
we're a big state, but we're kind of a small
town too, because everybody knows everybody. So it was only
a matter of time. And it's the same is so
the kid that came out and anonymously and said, yeah,
he's a friend of mine, and he was. He kind
of was kind of getting weird towards the end of
high school then retracted. Gee, I wonder why because somebody said,
oh that was you, wasn't it? Probably Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I hadn't really kept up too much with that. Like
I think most of y'all know Rick, and we all
work for Twisty and everything, which is a say property
Charlie was also affiliated with Salem, so our group chat,
our writers chat. Everything was chaos that day, just trying

(01:20:12):
to figure out what reports and everything that we're coming
out were real, what we're confirmed, what was fake. And
apparently that's still like the case. Everybody needs to like
sit back, take a breath, take a breath, because yeah,
apparently people are retracting information or I don't know. I mean,

(01:20:36):
everything is still up in the air. It's pure chaos,
still changing information.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Now. Now there's now there's this whole line that's coming
out that the real reason that Robinson supposedly shot Charlie
Kirk was because he wasn't right wing enough. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, I mean, we all know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
The only thing that I want to say about this
one way or the other is I don't really care
what Robinson's political affiliations were. I don't care whether he
started out more conservative and then shifted towards the left
or whatever the case may be. The simple fact of
the matter is when you have leaders of parties, and

(01:21:17):
trust me, it happens on both sides. Because it happens
with Trump, it happens with Trump supporters all the time.
When somebody says, oh, well, I don't I don't really
think this is a good idea. Oh well, now I
really know you're not really a Trump supporter. I'm gonna
harass you, and I'm gonna dude, we need age this.
This stuff needs to stop on both sides. It just
it just needs to stop. But the one thing happened.

(01:21:39):
So the one thing that I want to say and
put it on record is I am calling for every
Democratic politician in a leadership role that has been inciting
violence for the last decade to step down and meeting period.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Yeah. But the thing they won't even admit that they're
calling for. Yeah, you know, I would love him to
set down too, But you know, they don't have any
what is it word, honor. They're not going to do
that because they're dumbling down saying that that they're not
making any kind of violent retory.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Yeah, they're all doing the doctor Gregory house being Oops,
we didn't really mean for that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Oops.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Like you have to know that dehumanizing
your opposition for this many years, and this has been
going on since he ran the first time in twenty fifteen,
so we're ten years into this now of them calling
everybody Nazis and fascists, and oh, it's okay to harm
or even kill Nazis and fascists because they're not human,

(01:22:45):
like it's it's okay, like they're they're coming after all
these other people. So it's that's what I was saying about,
like the last transgender shooter that we talked about, that
you can't tell these already unstable people these things for
this many years without them thinking that anything they do
to retaliate in their minds is now self defense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, and like you said, you know, ten years ago
when it started, it started off as like the fastiest
and the Nazis and all that kind of stuff, and
then it started off small saying, well, you you're allowed
to talk down to them, you're allowed to yell at them,
you're allowed to get up into their face. And then
it started moving into well, you're allowed to punch Nazis.
There was people making shirts and signs and even T

(01:23:29):
shirts saying, you know, let's go punch a Nazi today
kind of say. And it's just been growing and growing
and growing ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Then, and especially to a lot of these people who
are in that back camp specifically, and I say far
left because we even know normal Democrats, like just in
our own lives, we know these people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, a normal Democrat exactly, but these.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Are again I'm going to specify, this is very very
far left. This is like I don't even know if
I could call it the fringe anymore because there's so
many of them and there's so many actual sitting Democrats
that agreed with this rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Yeah, it's no longer the far no.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah, but like we're not the ones saying. We're the
ones like again, like Charlie was doing, just let's sit
and have a conversation. Well, we can vehemently disagree, like
we can have like a heated debate about stuff like this,
and then we can still go our separate ways. We
can agree to disagree at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Well, I know that here on the right, Uh, there's
a to me, a kind of an alarming trend that
the ride is beginning to cancel people, that they're starting
to move to this canceled culture. And and yet for instance,
this the the carrying that the ball game, you know,
the one that took the ball from the little boy

(01:24:53):
and the dad finally gets it back to it. I
think everybody kind of saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
So that came after the dude took the from.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
The kids and then you know, the dad gives it gives,
Why is it giving the care and the ball and
all that. Well, I saw the the all these texts
coming out or not texts, but these things on TikTok
and and Instagram, all that with her picture calling for
conservatives saying hey, you know what to do, meaning it's

(01:25:22):
time to to We got a docts her and then
we got to get her canceled. And I get the
sentiment because what she did was what she did was
was was horrible. Okay, it was. It was very bad behavior.
It was plain shitty, you know. But I, for one,

(01:25:44):
from being victims of being docked, I think this is repudget.
That's something that we don't do. We don't go there.
Now we're beginning on the right to go that way
more often than I'm comfortable with. And I understand line,
because at some point you got to start fighting fire
with fire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
You have to start standing up and fighting back at
some point, but we need to probably do it in
a maybe different way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, I just don't like that trajectory because they could
get out of hand now on their end, I say,
the trajectary on the left started with the cancel of culture,
and now it's the it's the dawn murder culture. They
killed Charlie Kirk. And I don't give a shit what
this guy says that his affiliation with because I don't
believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Left right center does not matter. He assassinated somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
He killed someone for free speech, the one man that
would go into their lines then and be respectful and
be honest and speak the truth and allow them a
voice to speak as well on a huge platform.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I say, he gave them a platform, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
He done it with respect, He done it with truth,
and he would fight back to him, but he was
never disrespectful about it. He gave them their opportunity to speak,
and they killed him for it, point blank period. There
is no discussion about it. He was murdered because of
his of his beliefs, his First Amendment beliefs, his Second

(01:27:14):
Amendment beliefs, his Christian faith, because he was very very
open about all that stuff, and he allowed he had
the audacity to go into the lions then and allow
them to speak too. But he didn't just roll over
it and take what they were saying. He debated them
respectfully with the truth, and they killed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Him for it. Our sergeant friend sent me a video
I watched the other night about a twenty minute video
I think of this young guy that you went to
whatever college that he that Charlie was at at that time,
and there was somebody you know, that walked up to
the mic and started talking. And then you hear this

(01:27:57):
guy with a bullhorn like outing over him and everything,
and Charlie was like, no, no, let him come up,
let him speak, because security was going to escort this
guy out. So Charlie is like, no, let him come
up to the mic. And he was telling the guy
kind of laughing a little bit, you don't need the bullhorn.
We're gonna give you our microphone, like our platform. We're
gonna let you have this. So you know, this guy

(01:28:19):
gets up and you know, he starts talking. Every time
he asks Charlie a question, Charlie starts to answer it,
and the dude interrupts with an entirely different topic, and
Charlie kept saying, look, if you want me to answer
your question, you got to let me answer it before
you move on to something else. And then the guy
got his bullhorn out again, and like, this is the
kind of stuff Charlie was willingly walking into and trying

(01:28:41):
to reason with. Yeah, Like, I mean, I don't know
who this guy was. I mean, it's obviously not the
shoot or anything, but that's the type of person he
was dealing with daily.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yeah, I saw that video. And at the very end,
he finally he never gets to the point. He finally
just walks away to call it that you're racist and Charles,
I will name one thing that I'm racist about, and
the boy just you're racist and just walked away. And
that's why Charlie says, he says he couldn't name anything
because I've never said anything like that, because I'm not right.

(01:29:13):
But it doesn't matter. They have this pre programmed idea. Yeah,
and that's their speaking points, and if you get off
that speaking point, they fall apart.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Is pre programmed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah, it's absolutely programming. Rick, if you want to jump in,
I don't want to keep this running over you, I say,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
We've turned through our show pretty quick, so we just
wanted to touch on Charlie's murder. I have no illusions
that this will ever get around to, like Erica or
anybody in Charlie's like intercircle with his family. But we
just want to say, like, we were absolutely devastated and
heartbroken by what happened on Wednesday, and our prayers and

(01:29:58):
everything are especially with Erica and their two very young children.
But I mean, that's really gonna say about it. I mean,
he was murdered for going about the democratic way, like
trying to have conversation, and they killed him for it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
That's oh yeah, So that's that. That's the part that
pisses me off of being honest. And I really am,
you know, in honor of Charlie, actually going to start
trying to work on my language and stuff. But this,
this one deserves it because that's just it. I've been
doing this now for seventeen going on eighteen years. When
I first started doing this, I actually did a podcast
with someone with a friend of mine who was more

(01:30:38):
to the left, and all I kept hearing from anybody
on his side was why can't you guys just have
a civil conversation. Why can't you guys just done talk
about stuff? Why you got to be so mad about
everything all the time. So we finally we finally have
somebody who was doing it and you murdered him for it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Yeah. Yeah, because but I think that's I think that's
what ultimately why, Like, because she was willing to talk,
and because other people were seeing that, and they were
seeing how reasonable he was in the face of this
histrionic behavior, and that spoke to people, and so he
was he's a danger or he was a danger to

(01:31:18):
what their side, I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Guess, well, exactly, so, I mean, and the other the
other thing that just astounded me about all of this
was was, you know, it's one thing when you see
online influencers that you know are being paid by a
certain political group saying one thing or the other. But
when I turn on Facebook and people that I used
to work with are dancing on Charlie kirst Grave and
I'm like, dude, we used to like go to I

(01:31:42):
used to come to your house for your kids birthdays
and stuff when we work together.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
So I so I actually so actually reached out to one.
I'm like, what the heck, what, what's what's this? Why
are you celebrating the fact that this guy's dead? Well,
did you not see some of the things that you said?
I'm like, did you not realize that most of what
you're getting is probably being curated from a leftist site
and taken completely out of context because exactly what's happening.

(01:32:09):
And he said, well whatever, And I said, so what
am I next? Well, no, you're one of the good ones.
So my question to them was, what the hell does
that even mean? What was I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Like the ones?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
So was I like your pocket Christians so you could
check off some diversity box or what the hell? And
they're just like, what I mean is you're not like him?
I said, well, I might not have been before September tenth,
but I damn sure will be from now on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Exactly They like you said he was, You're one of
the good ones. That is what they said about you.
How is Charlie not the best of us? What he
was willing to do and reach across to all, so
to speak?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
And then you know, I put himself in harm's way
for what he believed in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yeah he was. He wasn't just one of the good ones.
He was the good one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Yeah. Yeah. They created a million more Charlie, if not more.
And I think that's going to be a great thing
for this country.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
Whether anybody wants to admit it or not. Charlie Kirk
was the best of us. I mean, Bes and I
have both you know, dodged dodge death more times than
I could count, and both of us are looking at
each other going, why the hell are we still here
in time?

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Yeah, I absolutely get it. I mean I don't think
that even now, you know, several days later, I don't
think that anybody is really comprehended the magnitude of what
happened on Wednesday. No, I think the that is going
to like quote one of my favorite movies, that is

(01:33:44):
going to echo an eternity.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yeah, I saw and everyone else did that. This is
our turning point.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yeah, yeah, this absolutely is a turning point. And it's
like when I was on Wednesday, like I mean, you
can ask Daniel, I was very very upset. He's driving
home from like North Carolina at this point, and I'm
blowing up his phone with everything because you know, I'm

(01:34:13):
I'm like freaking out, I'm upset. But I was like,
I don't think that the left really understood what they
just did.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
It would be interesting to see how it grows, but
on the political front and all that. But I do
think that, and again I follow, I don't know how
many people out there actually like TikTok and all that stuff.
But I look at it a lot, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
While he reads and I'm like, you just need it,
like I was.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
But yeah, Fountain people, well I just I just wanted
to show this to because this is something that I'm
starting see. So this is this young man's picture. This
is the post from his account that he just put up. Hi.
My name is Lean Brown. I'm from Oklahoma. I am
nineteen years old. I am a Christian Conservative because of
Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Yeah, that's what we need to see more of than
I think we are already seeing that momentum build.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
And yeah, I've seen like I said, I don't follow
that guy there, but I do. TikTok's one of those
guilty pleasures for me. You know. It's just fun, just dumb,
and which we do need to the front porchs, fringe
it's TikTok and get that going good. But anyhow, I've

(01:35:40):
seen a lot of people that look like, well, hey,
it's like my wife when she gets all dolled up
with the tattoos and the nose rings and all that
kind of stuff and I've.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Done the crazy hair colors too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yep, and they're coming across my feed because and they're
saying now one of them in particular here lately, she
said that she has finaled this. Charlie kirkkilling has finally
made her see the lot because the people quote unquote
on her side are showing their true colts and she

(01:36:16):
can't be affiliated with that anymore. So she's moving away
from the left now, she said, I'm not a conservative,
but she's moving more center. But she says the way
they're reacting and the way that no one and here's
the big thing to me, the way that no one
is calling them out for the way they're reacting. They're

(01:36:36):
just accepting it and not calling them down, she said.
She said that seeing that is so disgusting and despicable
that she can no longer be considered a democrat.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
And see, I love hearing stuff like that, because these
are now people who at one point probably would not
have ever listened to us. Now they're willing to have
a conversation. And that's exactly the legacy that we need
to promote of Charlie's, that that culture of the free

(01:37:10):
exchange of ideas, we don't have to agree on everything
at all, but we can at least have a conversation
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
We got to get past the anger first, and it's
an anger that it's fine being angry, but it needs
to be a righteous anger, right, And if it is
a righteous anger, then you can still move forward with
discussion and debate.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Yeah, I mean Charlie had heated debates with people sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
He has passion.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Yes, sure, I mean that's okay. It's okay to be
like to vehemently defend your beliefs. It's okay to be heated.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
You should, yes, But then you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Need to be able to kind of rain that back
in and say, okay, we may not agree on this,
but let's see where we can meet in the middle
on this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Right. Yeah, I'm not quite too being able to rain well,
I'm raining back in, but I'm still very pissed off
about the whole situation. And I know that God is
going to use this, and he already is. You can
see it being used to realign people and get them
thinking in different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
So rick y'all even mention, you know what you were
telling all of us in the group chat and everything
about like your own son, you know, being energized by
Charlie and what he stood for and what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
And he's not the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Yeah, No, he's far from the only one. And I
absolutely love that. And like our own daughter, her boyfriend
and everything. The day it was happening, and you know,
I was talking to her and everything, making sure she
you know, she got to his house okay after school
and all that, and I was trying to tell them
to stay away from social media because I did not
want them to see that god awful video of Charlie.

(01:38:58):
And like her boyfriend takes it back and was like
he died like a bunch of question marks. He like
this kid already knew who Charlie was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Yeah, he followed his videos, yes, and would recognized who
he was by name.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Do you want to say something, Yeah, you can absolutely
hear so.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
Basically, like one night I had like this was after
my mom had like said something about it, and that night,
like as I was falling asleep and stuff, I woke
up at like three in the morning and I was like, wait,
I literally know who Charlie Kirk is. Yeah, And I
started tearing up and we were talking about it in
ministries and I almost cried.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Yeah, they actually had a conversation in class the day after.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Yeah, she said that most of her classrooms was talking
about Charlie Kirk and the nine to eleven. Yeah, because
you know it happened on the tenth and nine eleven.
But yeah, that was a pretty emotional day, there, wouldn't
it talking about all that stuff. So yeah, but again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
And I mean you got to keep in mind, these
are high school kids right now, between what fourteen and
seventeen eighteen, maybe as all this. Yeah, and these kids
knew who he was enough to talk about him exactly,
and I think that is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Well, they said that after the assassination that his views
like skyrocketed worldwide, So his message got out there incredibly
those that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Had the opposite to what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
It always does God know him to silence him, But
God knows how to how to make it work in
his favor.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
And I absolutely hate that it took this. I mean,
this was this man was seven years younger than I am,
like only thirty one years old. His son, his youngest son,
just turned one back in May. This boy is going
to grow up, and it breaks my heart all the
time that he's going to grow up not having any

(01:41:07):
of his own memories of his father, just you know, photos, videos,
all this kind of stuff. And yeah, I mean that's
that's one thing. But and I heard too that like
his daughter was in the crowd and she's very, very young,
and when the shot rang out, I heard that she
was so afraid she un instinctively wanted to run to him.

(01:41:29):
And apparently I don't know if this is well.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
No, the mom was talking about it, so Erica Kirk
had went on like the news. Yeah, she just like
talk about it, and she was saying and her daughter
was saying like, oh, when's daddy coming home?

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
And she's like, he's on.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
A business trip with Jesus right now, he's gonna work
to pay your blueberries.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
See, I just I'm gonna start crying again. I was
basically numb all of Wednesday and Thursday, because again I
just keep going back like if like you instinctively kind
of imagine yourself in that situation, Like what would I
ever do if I saw something like that happen to eat?

(01:42:19):
What would our daughter do? You know? And I just
especially them, the children, I keep going back to that,
especially them being so young. It's it's unimaginable, Like I
don't want to think about stuff like that, and this
is something they're having to live now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Yeah, that's one of the things I try to do,
is I think that's why the rage part of me
is stronger, because I don't want to dwell on their pain.
And so I kind of pay more attention to those
ghouls on the left that are celebrating and acting like
and I get so much happiness, and I just meet

(01:43:00):
about following the cancel culture and and but seeing all
these teachers and these professionals and all these people being
fired and let go because they're posts celebrating all that
stuff good. I want them shamed, publicly shamed for this outrageous,
disgusting things that they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
I say to keep in mind, like there used to
be a time in our history where celebrating something like
that or just being god awful in public would either
result in getting like hit in the mouth or publicly shamed.
We need to bring that back. Maybe not the hit
in the mouth thing, but like, let's shut this down.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Not getting in the mouths. Fine, the h A lot
of people shut up real quick when you pop them
in the mouth, I promise, But the whole thing is
like and they say, and Rick mentioned it too, it
is on both sides to an extent. But you don't
see the right celebrating death like the left us. It
just doesn't happen. There may be a few case, I

(01:44:01):
get it, they are, but if you look the percentage
and the volume and just the sheer celebration factor of it,
it's not it's coming from the left.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
I remember when Beau Biden died, and I remember, you know,
actually posting about this. I said, no parents should ever
outlive their own child. That just shouldn't be a thing.
And you and your own like that side of the family,
your parents have experience in this, and I saw how

(01:44:33):
devastating this has been on everybody, especially them. There is
absolutely no way on God's green earth that I would
have ever thought, you know, oh well, because I don't
like or agree with Biden, I'm gonna sit there and
say it's a good thing that his son died. Absolutely not.

(01:44:54):
There is absolutely no part of me that ever even
went there in my mind, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
And I think that's what the majority of us and
this is just and yes, okay, it's the extreme left
that are celebrated. I get it fine. The normal folks
on the left are not calling them out for it
and shutting them down for the most part, and they
should be. They are some and I give them kudos

(01:45:23):
to those you should call them down. You get that
ancient asshole and the Democrats that they're saying that we
all need to come together. Now, this is the time
that we should reach across the island and come together
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Y'all been calling us Nazis and fascists for a decade.
Now you want unity? Are you kidding me? I just
I don't know. There's no making sense of like this
faction of the left side of the spectrum. No, you
can't make it make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
And it's what's sad is Front Court Friends. We do
shows about death. I mean, we do true rolls down
to it. It's usually death. Okay. We started to show.
We made a decision that we would not get political,
that we were going to stay away from politics, because

(01:46:17):
we have plenty of other political shows on kournradio dot
com and they are amazing at it. They have they
have great input, they have great knowledge, they they are
even tempered. They do an extremely good job with their
shows on politics. So we thought We're not going to

(01:46:39):
do another political show on ko rinradio dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
We need to have him, we need a heart butt
of him, do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
So. But damn it, here in the last year.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
They're making it impossible.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah, over politicians, So you don't have a joint us.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
It was two weeks ago when we were doing show
about this, about the school shootings and and the lot
and and the and the and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
There was another school shooting the same day that they
assassinated Charlie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
But the uh, it's getting to the point that if
we're gonna do current events, it has to be political now,
because it seems like every murder, major murder, or or
or event is political. Not now, we don't have, you
know what, Give me a normal down the center, not left,

(01:47:32):
not right, serial killer, current day that I can talk about. Well,
I don't want somebody shooting Charlie Kirk with a rifle
or some crazy lunatic walking into a school shooting children
because of political differences. Just give me a normal monster that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
I can talk about explain like, that's easy to talk about,
that's like that's a set kind of almost trope.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
I guess I guess what I'm want to have to
do is start a u klrian radio dot com radio
show maybe in the afternoon drive time or something that's
just about political monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Just do like what really grinds my gears and just
have a show where you just rent for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
I can rent for it. Oh, I could absolutely rent
for an hour every damn day, Monday through Friday, three
to five.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Yeah, okay, we have had Okay, look at Gaysey. Gaysey
was involved in Democrat circles, but Monday was involved in
Republican circles. They were normal monsters and everything. I mean, yeah,
they were involved in politics, but that did not drive
their crimes exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
They their crimes wasn't political driven. That's why I'm getting that.
I thought doing a show about this, we wouldn't have
to get political. But here lately we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
I say, whenever true crime intersects with politics, we are
going to just have to suck it up and understand
that we can't escape the politics of that situation, right,
And I hate that, like I absolutely do. That's the
reason I wanted to do the Green River Kill because
to me, like, I mean, it's still I still like

(01:49:06):
I can't get that video of Charlie out of my mind.
I wish I had never seen it so, honest to God,
did not want to talk about Charlie anytime soon. I know,
I'm glad we are because I mean, again, his legacy
needs to be remembered, that momentum needs to keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
And it's good to get it out of you saystem
if you can talk through it, you can get through it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah, And I mean it still is just painful. I
never knew the man in person, like, I mean, we
maybe commented a couple of times, like over the years,
I've been on Twitter back and forth. That's about it.
That's the extent of like my personal relationship with him,
if you could even call it that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
I mean, we're there, we are. We got friendships that
are one or two steps away from Charlie Kirk. But
we never Yeah, I never even got to talk to
him on X or not. I know you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Yeah, I mean, but that's about it. That's the extent
of it. I'm not going to sit here say like
we were best friends.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Oh no, absolutely no, he wouldn't know who we were.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
We do have another host who was close to him though,
on' kay Laurien, and like I was texting her the
other night checking in on her, because you know, I
know that's that's a huge loss. It's a huge loss
for me. And again I really had no relationship with
the guy, and it was still upsetting and I was
numb for a day and a half two days about it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Yeah, he reached literal millions. Yeah, and they silenced him
with a gunshot, but they didn't end him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Because amplified his voice if anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, because his outreach has went so into the stratosphere afterwards.
And I think, like you said, I think God is
going to use this to create more Charlie Kirk, absolutely
and to get his word out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
And that's an amazing thing to me, Like, even in
the midst of such an awful tragedy, God's still working,
like he's still pulling some strings.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
And yeah, everything is by his design. Obviously we don't
understand it because we got this tiny, little, puny human minds. Yeah,
but all you can do is trust it that it's
going to work out in in his favor. And you
can see it happening with Charlie's death. You can see

(01:51:25):
a movement. It is reaching thousands and thousands, if not millions,
of people in a way that are changing hearts and
changing minds now, and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
I still go back to even our daughter and her
classmates and everything, all them having conversations in school about him. So,
I mean, I hate, I hate like hell that this
is what it took. But God's going to turn it
into something good. Yeah, He's going to take this monstrous

(01:51:58):
thing that happened and he's going to make it something beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
So that's just what I keep going back to. Just
me personally, I just have to trust the process, you know,
like God's got a plan and a reason for everything.
I don't always know what it is, but I will
trust the process. I always say, like, you know me,
I'm a book nerd. I trust the next chapter because

(01:52:24):
I know the author.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Yeah, and in this case that works out. Now, in
the case of Stephen King's stays no longer can he
trust him because he's become so dank politically thru in
this last.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Two year, he did actually he tweeted out, you know,
one of those things going around about Charlie that you know,
Charlie advocated to execute gay people. He later actually deleted
that tweet and apologized for it several times.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
It's absolutely untrue.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Yeah, but the fact that he was willing to say, hey,
I got this wrong. So many on the left not
capable of that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Yeah. I think he just realized that the feedback.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Maybe so, but I still I was like, you know,
the rest of them need to take notes here.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
At least it did. Again. The silence from what we
call the normal democrats about this is what infuriates me. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I did, like beetter Maan, I retweeted him the other day,
and I swear to God, like, the most normal democrat
is the one who had a stroke and has brain damage.
But I think that stroke factory reset his brain.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
I know, I'm still not convinced on him. He's still
gonna line up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
I mean, he's still a Democrat, you know. But he's
one that we can have a conversation with, which is
the entire point. That's what we're talking about here. Having
conversations with people you disagree with. It makes them human again,
which is what needs to happen, especially with this far

(01:53:54):
left extremist group. They need to understand that the people
that they're talking to behind these screens are actual people.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Mhm. You see that in all kinds of social media though,
x especially when it was Twitter that blue sky mess
over there. Now there's nothing but as long when you're
talking to people through keys and a screen, they're no
longer people. They're just you can.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Forget an avatar and a screen name.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
You don't you don't have that connection. And the left
has played on that where they actively dehumanize people that
they disagree with or disagree with them. And from years
and years and decades even of that happen, and you
see it playing out now that human life has no

(01:54:46):
value to many people. Now it's just yeah, does y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Who follow me on X y'all know I engage with
those types of people all the time that do not
value human life, right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I mean you can talk of portion one way, but
and have your debates on that, but this was a
they don't value anyone that disagrees with them, no matter
the age, and they'll turn on their own if somebody
leaves the Okay, here we go, Yeah, let's show have
mine instead of plantation where I was going because people

(01:55:19):
can say, oh that's racist, no, screw you the when
they leave the fold, okay, And they had the auDA
look at Elon Musk where he'd left the fold and
he went across the fence to the right, so to speak.
He didn't even go to he wasn't conservative, he.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Just he's still not concern He just went.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
A little bit outside of the mainstream left, and they
immediately turned on. They hated the man. They was burning
tesselas in the industry were.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Talking about and hoping somebody would quote.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Unquote Luigi exactly. Yeah. They was. They was asking for
and hoping for their dissassination, all because they they disagreed,
have the audacity to disagree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Now, I mean, he did the perfect meme though. It's
you know, the little stick figures on the line draft
there where it's like center, left and right, and then
it shows a left like taking off running the endto
the left direction, leaving that person where they were, which
now puts them to the right of center. That's what's happened.
They've moved so far to the left right that anybody else,

(01:56:23):
like any normal democrat, is now considered right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
The it's got to get better at some point, It's
what you hope, But in my mind, in my mind,
it's not. It's going to just continue at the levelss
at and slowly degrade him and further. We just hope
it degrades at a very slow rate.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Yeah. I don't know what else to say other than that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
I mean, Rick, you got anything else you want to add?

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Biblically, we know what direction it's all going to go.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
But it's going to be like it was in the
days of Solomon and good More.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
I think we.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Have it, No, we have it, not yet.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
We're getting closer, but where we haven't passed it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah, we can see the city, we can see Solomon
Goodmore from the hillside we're on, but we're not down
that valley yet.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
No, I mean the one thing that I will say,
because I've been seeing this a lot on social media
before anybody's stir Oh my god, we're in the tribulations.
He's one of the witnesses. No, no, no, stop it,
stop it it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Even God says we're not going to know the day
or the hour. So yeah, anytime somebody says, oh, we're
in the end days, like, no, we don't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
When somebody said and that's why I called myself on it.
When somebody says, well, it can't get much worse. Oh yeah,
it's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Yeah, I learned. I learned to stop saying that alone,
I'm inviting to get worse. I just don't want to
do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
Exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
The angels look at you a challenge, excepted, oh crap,
is right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Exactly well.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
I mean, it's like I've told you on many occasions,
I was like, Jesus needs to just go ahead and
come back, because we're done down here. We screwed it
up beyond all repair. We're just done.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Come on, Like I said, he knows the timing, and
he knows that's it's going to fall. It's got to
fall much much further before that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
That terrifies me for our daughter and any children she
may have in the future. Like that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
But but what we all can agree on, and what
we all should agree on, is that one of our
good ones was taken from us far too soon, and
it's it's a crying shame, and.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
We just need to carry on his legacy and what
he was trying to build. We just need to pick
up that torch and carry it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Let's try to make him proud, right, absolutely so, Rick,
you was speaking right then. So if you want to
tell everybody where to find you and what your shows
are coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Dude, I have so many, so I guess the only
ones that are is right now. As far as I know,
I think Corn's reading room is going to be on
a bit of a break. He's still working, he's still
helping with his mom, and he's involved in some Hollywood
stuff right now, so I don't think there'll be one
of those tomorrow. I am debating on doing a special
presentation tomorrow night again because I still have lots to
say about this topic as the news keeps changing on it,

(01:59:17):
so that may or may not happened tomorrow. After everybody
else has done Monday Night, I'll be back doing America
Off the Reels. That's usually a ten pm Eastern Tuesdays.
Everything starts over again, so at ten am on Tuesday
through Friday, Rick Robinson Show Ready on Calm Radio dot com.
And then Tuesday night man or Amma why men should
have a Moral Compass? I will be there. You should

(01:59:39):
be there too.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
That'll be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
That's the show that I should have got.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
In all I think on that panel, you still can.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Uh yeah, I'll tell you what, guys. Rick is one
of the busiest man that I know and never stops.
And what is more important is that are more impressive
is that he puts out quality stuff every single time
it's a hit. I mean he's even todays he says
he don't feel good. He's better than I am. So

(02:00:09):
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(02:00:32):
look because there's something there for everybody. So you and
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Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
K I'm easy to find.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
I'm easy to find. It's at bump stock ken on
X And that's pretty much the only thing I do
is this show, and that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Yeah, I am Bumpstock Barbie, so it's easy to remember
both of us. Bumpsog Barbie and bump song ken. I
also I have a plant page. I have a baking
page which I have all in my bio. Also write
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in my bio too. Yeah. I think that's like I'm

(02:01:26):
a baker. I'm a true crime junkie. Like that's just me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Yeah. Uh, bakes and true crime and plants. Gosh, you
see our house man. It looks like that gum.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
It looks like we're using the game exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
It looks like we're losing Umanji and smells like cookies.

Speaker 3 (02:01:45):
Carefully, you're gonna end up on a shopping list.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
Now that's actually a compliment.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
He's doing good, all right, So uh again, thank you
all for joining us. This says been front Ports friends.
It's the one about the Green River Killer and Charlie
Kirk at the end. I hope y'all enjoyed it, and
I hope see y'all back here next Saturday night, seven pm.

Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Century hang on, don't have any Muttons yet, because we
got to do this. Congratulations on your first time behind
the producer's chair, sir, or in the producers chair, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
I appreciate it. I'm going to spend some time here
after we get off to preset some buttons and stuff
like that smooth, learn how to do some more videos
and all that stuff to and hopefully one day I
get to where it sounds smooth. So that's the plan.
Take some of the pressure off you, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
Yeah, Hey, look at it this way. From now on,
since you do your own stuff on the nights that
we're not on, ya can go as long as you
want to do and I can't. And I won't be
complaining because I'm not stuck in a chair.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
My goal, Rick is to give you some time off.
That's what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
I'll just find another project to do with it anyway.
But I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
He's like, you, you can't stand all to work.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (02:03:03):
Hey, who was bacon cookies while she was doing the podcast?

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Hey, I still have dough that I need to roll
out and everything. But it's like cookies, Come on, you
can't get any better.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
We need to make you kale our radio ice cream
flavored cookies. And crime would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Yeah, crime, Yeah, that would be good. That would be
really good. All right, guys, Uh, I guess I'm going
to sign off and start, I'll let y'all go behind.
So yep again, thank you for joining us Front Ports Friends,
it's we'll see y'all here next Saturday, seven pm to

(02:03:41):
nine pm, and they should be a ju just position
behind this at nine Central. Awesome. Do you know what
y'all doing next week?

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
We haven't talked about it yet. That's all my list
of things that start knocking around tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Sweet Well, we will see y'all then again. Go to
kl radio dot com. Look at some shows, find something
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Give us a listen, spread the word. Thank you all
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Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Scary stories like like on Talk Guys, maybe

Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
We shous fight and listen to a lot at you
try