FPF 10-04-25 The One About The Ghost On the Witness Stand

In 1897, in rural West Virginia, a newlywed named Zona Heaster Shue died under mysterious circumstances. The local doctor declared it natural causes—until her grieving mother claimed her daughter’s ghost appeared, naming the husband as murderer and describing exactly how she had been killed. Authorities exhumed the body, confirmed a broken neck and signs of strangulation, and the husband was eventually convicted. The Greenbrier Ghost case remains the only known instance in U.S. history where a “ghost’s testimony” (relayed by a living witness) helped secure a murder conviction. In this episode, we examine the evidence, folklore, and whether justice from beyond the grave is ever truly possible.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Listen to a lot of you cry. I listen to
it that night. I like you girl talk well. Hello
and welcome Klaurion Radio dot com friends and family. I
am your co host bump Stock Ken and riding Shotgun.
As always is my better half, the Queen of Fear

(00:33):
and Forensics, bump Stock Barbie.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey, guys, we have guests joining us now among us.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, we got some neighbors from a couple of hollers over.
They're about to come up on the porch, so we'll
say hi to them.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You have the Tiny Tyrant, the boyfriend, and the boyfriend's
family joining us tonight. Hopefully the family will be here soon. Okay,
but we are here.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Still cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
You need to quite down.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
That is the Tiny Tyrant, and that is often the
greatest drummer and the greatest drummer in Central Alabama right there. Uh.
They had a big band competition today and uh, I

(01:31):
think they've done very very good. I was very proud
of both of them. Okay, it was just the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Then, yeah, okay, the parents are behind them.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Sorry. Like I said, this is real life, so things happened.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
This is literally our front porch.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
So yeah, welcome to the front porch. We're not kidding.
So now October is crept up on us, and the
knights are getting longer, colder, and darker than they were
last month. Tonight we're starting a whole month worth of
stories where true crime rubs elbows with the supernatural, murder

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solved not just by forendsics and detective work, but while
but by whispers from the grave, science and seances, so
to speak. And tonight we're starting off with the tale
that could only come from the deep into Appalachian Hills
where death don't always mean silent. Tonight we're heading the

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Greenbriar County, West Virginia in eighteen hundred and ninety seven,
the case of a young bride named Zona hester Shu
whose death was ruled a natural causes until her ghost
came back to tell her mama the truth. And like

(02:52):
I said, this is the one about the Green Briar ghost.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, so picture of Greenbrier County in the late eighteen hundreds. Like,
we're not even into the nineteen hundreds here, this is
late eighteen hundreds. This is a place a miss in
the hollers like you mentioned, I mean, we even have
a holler down here by the house.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
We live on a mountain, but in the hollow of
a mountain.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, there's the Claver churches, folks who believed as much
in haints.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yes, you actually.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Want to paint our roof here on the horse haint blue.
It's actually a legitimate color.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah. Yeah, we got hats in the Holy and I
mean they did.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
They believed in the Haints, just like they did in
the Good Book. Death is never far away in these
mountains that we live in. Like we're at the foothills
and everything still, but we are in the Appalachian Mountains.
Every fan back then had lost somebody too young. Our
family has even lost somebody too young. And when the

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dead comes back in dreams or shadows, most people here
don't question it very much. And that's what makes this
case so unique.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right. Well, like I said, this was shortly after the
Civil War. I mean the scars were still real fresh,
and the death rate late eighteen hundred, so the death
rate was was pretty high for y'all.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Say, war, disease, famine, everything back then.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
But y'all, this isn't just a ghost.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Story that we're sharing back and forth on our boards,
which we like to do. This ghost actually walks right
into the courtroom. This is the first case ever where
a ghost testimony was ever used in court.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, and that's the funny thing is like there's ghost
stories and then there's history, and rarely do the two
actually collide and combine to make them Yeah, they don't
really intercept, right, But this one there's court records. It's
court case documented of being a true story. So now,

(05:18):
Zona Hester was just twenty three when she met Urinmus
Erasmus Erasmus, okay, stibling trout Shoe. He sometimes is called
Edward instead of Erassmus, but he mainly went by Trout. Now,

(05:38):
Trout was a blacksmith, and he was new in town,
and he really stood out. He was a real tall man,
real broad shouldered, real strong, and in this little area
I say town, it's not I mean, it's not like
what you consider a town, but this area it's a.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Very tawny community.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, basically, but can compared to everyone else, he was
not just the new guy, but he was. He was flashy,
He dressed real sharp, and he carried himself like he
was better than most everybody else. Now, Zona, she was
young and already had one child out of wedlock, scandalous

(06:19):
back then, but folks pretty much whispered instead of shunned her.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
They didn't let's said the tall crap about her behind
her back. Yeah, they didn't never really say anything to
her face or anything.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
They had that kind of let's just not talk about it,
and wasn't real friendly about it. But and everyone kind
of treated her at a distance except for Trout. Trout
took a shine towards Zona, and Zona fell for him quickly.

(06:51):
After a very short whirlwind courtship, they were married in
October of eighteen ninety six, and then at the beginning
of the very next year, Zona is said to fall
ill some sort of mysterious illness. Some stories claim that

(07:13):
Zona was pregnant was having difficulties, but that is not confirmed.
There's different sides to it. Some reports say yes, that
she lost a child, Some say she wasn't even pregnant
at all, So it's kind of hit or miss fifty
to fifty really depending on what story you want. What

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we do know is that Trout had hired the town
doctor Knapp k Napp to come by regularly and tend
and render care to the check on her to take
care of her and Trout had also hired a local
boy named Andy Jones.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's so weird to me because I had an uncle
name Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I thought about that one was riding. Now Andy wouldn't
but eleven years old, but that's not uncommon for the
time and the places to have the younger guys. Yeah,
you know, run errands for the for folks. And so
Trout had hired him to come by at least a
couple of times a week, if not every day, to

(08:24):
check on Zona, to make sure she was doing okay,
and if she needed anything, he could run and into
town and get the things that she needed, you know.
So January twenty third, eighteen ninety seven, so just a
few weeks into the year. Zona's body is Zona's found

(08:50):
dead at the bottom of the stairs in her home.
Andy eleven years old, found her body. Trout was just
beside hisself, consolable in grief. He was, like I said, inconsolable,

(09:13):
just crazy. Yes, this way he was acting George. Yeah,
the doctor George.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Now he wrote it's so I loved this phrase actually
a little bit. Everlasting faint, yeah, was what the doctor
wrote as her cause of death. Everlasting faint.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, that should have been the title. For this episode,
that would have been good. So, I mean, the story
could have ended right there in tragedy with neighbors and
friends and a mother stricken with grief, but it doesn't.
Now that this story goes on to become again not
just legend, not just a ghost story, but actual, historical

(09:54):
documented say.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean this kind of also gets into legal precedent.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yes, does we'll talk about that more. Yeah, But like
I said, and we've talked about the town being shook,
but the real star of this story is the mother
really in a way. Yeah. And speaking of the mother's
her name again is Mary Jane Hester. Now she didn't

(10:23):
trust trout a lick. She said quote that there was
something dark in his eyes that she described it as unsettling.
Now it turns out that mama wasn't wrong. They rarely
are wrong.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
You know that mama's in sink y'all? Yeah, you can't like,
don't sleep on that lake. We know what's up sometimes,
especially when it comes to our kids. And they're actually
a science to that, which could be a whole different episode.
But like the baby cells and everything tend to stay
in the mother's body for at least like eighteen some

(11:02):
odd years after birth and everything like that's been documented.
That's one thing. So I think Mama here for sure
knew something was up. So we're gonna look at Trout.
Most sources that we found place his birth around eighteen

(11:23):
sixty one eighteen sixty two in Augusta County, Virginia. They
report that he later lived in Droop Mountain or Pocahontas
County area before he appeared in Greenboro County. He already
had a bad reputation in those parts, and that could
also be the reason why he moved to Greenbrier. Turns

(11:47):
out that he had two other wives before Sona. So
the first marriage was to Ellen Cutlet in eighteen eighty five.
They had a daughter named Gurdy. I think is yeah,
Gerdie Shoe. The couple divorced in eighteen eighty nine due

(12:08):
to cruelty and abuse, So I think that's worth noting
there that was the because for this day and age
and everything, getting divorced is a big deal. But it
was listed due to cruelty and abuse. These claims are
murky and they come from like just oral accounts, like

(12:31):
recountings of this so hearsay basically nothing in any official
writing that we found. Marriage number two was Lucy and
Tritt in eighteen ninety four. That marriage ends tragically in
less than a year. Lucy died under mysterious circumstances as well,

(12:54):
and apparently records show that Trout accidentally dropped a brick
onto the head of Lucy while he was doing repair
work on their chimney in the winter.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Huh dropped a brick?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like and okay, none of this information was available to
Zona or her mother or anybody in Greenbrier, West Virginia
prior to it coming out in court after Zona's death, So.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
He kept it all quiet when he got into town.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well that and you got to keep in mind, like
we don't back then, there was no social media where
this kind of information would happen.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Instantly, right, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Know, like we we get this, We get so much
information out at the drop of a hat when it's breaking,
when it's happening. That was not the case here. I
mean you were talking not even nineteen hundred yet. So
I mean it's easy to it would be easy for

(13:55):
someone like this to hide things.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Got he didn't have the easy.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Uh the church easy access to information.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, I know his name is Erasmus, but he introduced
himself as Edward when he got to Greenbrier, So I
wonder if that was another way to kind of hide
that past.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Probably, I mean, well, I mean I don't know. Even
back then, Erasmus is probably a fairly common name.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, I don't know about the sona.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
That seems odd and out of place even now.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I wouldn't. That does sound like a strange name.
I mean, Erasmus to me sounds strange, but not as
much as.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sounds a little more biblical, which would be kind of
the thing.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Back then. You know, I was thinking the brick on
the head as an accident. I mean, that's that's a
convenient way to hide blunt front force trauma. Yeah, you know,
I dropped a brick. She was walking underneath me as
I was working, and dropped a brick on her. I'm not,

(15:07):
don't worry. So those are enough reasons there to be
suspicious already of old Trout. But Mary had other reasons
to be wary too. Let's look at how Zona was
found on January twenty third, eighteen ninety seven, again just

(15:32):
weeks into her illness. The day her life was ended
there in green Brier, county and the whole county was
rocked by this death. Trout went to work like any
other day, and around mid morning, Andy Jones drops by

(15:54):
the blacksmiths what do they call it? Smithy? He drops
by to see if Trout needs anything for the day
while he's out, if you need to bring him supplies
or anything, just like any other day of work. Yeah,
So Trout sends him back to his house to the

(16:16):
he has his owner's home, to check on his owner,
to make sure if she needed anything, if she had
been feeling ill. So if if this check in.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Owner Trout actually sent him.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, let's say Trout sent Andy to go check own her.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
To me, that's worth noting. He sends his eleven year
old boy, Hey, go check on my wife, Like did
he do that every other day?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, it's you know, he said he had hired him
to go buy the checkowner and make sure to run
errands for the family. But kids that age and that time,
they that wasn't that was unusual for all families to
do that, right, They was kind of the Uber eats
back before Uber. Well, so he sends Andy. Andy dutifully

(17:04):
runs off and remember the community again, they used these kids,
and Andy had already been to the home several times,
so he was familiar with the Shoe home, and immediately
upon getting to Zona's house, he realizes something was wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I wonder what it was that clagged him because she
was inside. But it says every account that we read,
immediately upon coming to the home, he knew something was wrong, Like,
I mean, the home is still all the windows and
doors are still closed shut and I guess at this time,
I mean no electricity really, so during the day you

(17:45):
would open the windows and.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I remember, I imagine, like it being winter times January,
the windows may have been closed, but at least the
shirt and the curtains, the thing that that would have
been pulled back.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
But he said, like I do during the day to
let light in.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
But he says, it was all closed up, shutters, the
yellerod com, the shutters, the curtains, everything in the house. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Andy actually made witness testimony to all of this, saying, quote,
I knew something was wrong. The house was all shut up.
That wasn't normal. No smoke, I guess from the chimney I.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Would imagine from a fire are Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, because again January, right, nothing he said, I went
in like usual, calling for his shoes. She didn't answer.
I walked into the kitchen first and then around to
the front and there she be said, fell out, laying
on the floor by the stairs. I shook her, but
she wasn't moving, just staring with wide eyes and her

(18:48):
mouth looked like she was just laughing or something. So
I random mom and told her miss Hue is dead,
and she sent for the doctor and mister Sue.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's one thing I remember. This kid was only a
Levin when he done this, and sure back in back then,
you know, they matured earlier than they had to, but
still walking in because they said also that there was
blood on the floor. They was food days food, and

(19:20):
the they was blood on the There was blood on
the floor. And of course you saw the state she
was in. He said that she was laying there unnaturally,
with like one arm up behind her and her leg
was folded.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Said her mouth was might be laughing.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I do wonder if it was more of a shocked look,
and he just opened and he took it as being
a smile or a laugh or something like that. I
would imagine more of a shocked expression. It's what I
would imagine in my head.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
A couple of chairs around if they want to sit down,
we got some. We have some more people joining us.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So yeah, Alton's family, if they don't have to sit
on camera, they sit up there. They want to. Yeah,
we'll ask him when they get on sports, so okay.
So yeah, So he runs and he tells his mom
that Miss Hue is dead, and now.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
She the mom, sent for the doctor and mister Shoe.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, she sends for doctor nap and then sends Andy
back to doctor I mean to Trout to tell him
what's going on, and Trout he mates it home long
before anyone else is there. He gets back with Andy,
and Andy said that mister Shue was crazy in his

(20:55):
crime and he carried Miss Hue upstairs and slammed the
door shut. H We find out that he has to
takes her to their bedroom and that immediately come on,
if y'all want to be on camera, you.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Can bring chairs around.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hey, guys, you have other friends on the front boards.
People's arrived his family and y'all can chime in at
any point, like it's what I've introduced him earlier as

(21:36):
the best drummer in Central Alabama.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Uh, let's say.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
My first thing is he immediately tampers with the croms
in here because he takes the body and moves it.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And that's something that's not normal in that time either.
Is the families when you had a death in the family,
the women of the of the area, of the neighborhood,
they they tended to the bodies. They'd done the cleaning up,
they done the dressing, the dressing, the preparations and stuff

(22:15):
like that. The husbands and stuff, they didn't actually do
that that kind of the men kind of stayed out
of it. It was mainly the women's work. Yeah, But
Trout he takes it upon his self to basically barricade
himself and his wife.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Let's say he takes her body from the foot of
the stairs and barricades himself in the bedroom. Like from
the very beginning, he is acting very very peculiar, especially
for this time and place. Like you said, I mean,
he did he attended the body himself. So by the
time the doctor arrives, Erasmus has cleaned the body, already

(22:56):
dressed her in a high neck gown with a very
step collar. And curiously he wouldn't let anyone, not even
the doctor examine her head or neck area. He stayed
on the bed with her, cradling her head in his lap.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, he cried and.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Swore away the doctor and anyone else in the show
of grief and anger and all this. So doctor Nat
finally relents and wrote as a cause of death. The
my favorite quote right now in the show everlasting Faint.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Everlasting faint is a wonderful description. I like that, I
mean I do.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I love that. Like as dark as it is, I
like it. But the funeral is even rushed at this time,
and even during the funeral, Erasmus stands by the head
of the coffin and usher folks away pretty quickly, like
he wouldn't let people like really get a good look,
like you know how you typically do during a viewing.

(23:54):
It's what we call it. I think they called it
a wake maybe or something back then.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I don't know. I think the wake was kind of
afterwards we all said around the neat that kind of way.
But used to, even when I was young, we would
have the dead sitting in the kitchen or in the
living room in the house basically, and we'd all the
food to be in the kitchen. Yeah, I remember clearly

(24:18):
we had funerals at home and uh they had the
few the casket pushed up where the Christmas tree would go.
All right, No, I'm just I'm just reading neck. No,
we had that. We had her in the house and
you could see in the kitchen where all the food was.

(24:38):
You could see there was people sitting on the couches
in the living room eating while I'm just telling you
it was you got and uh yeah, so it was normal. Yea,
my grandma. And the one thing we drew the line

(24:58):
and you couldn't set your cast row on the casket the.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know, I probably had to at some point, but
somebody probably did that.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
There you go, walk in to see walk in, see
Grandma said the cast roll down, stay, respects, pick it
up taking You know, that's why she's probably happy as
a pizza. Everybody was eating.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh yeah, or at least one of her recipes.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, the best way to honor somebody's cook for them,
you know, true.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I actually feel that. I say every time someone does.
You know me, I always tell people like I don't
know what to do for y'all. Like I hear, I
just I'll feed you, But you met with love, I say,
I'm trying to make people feel better.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, that's one thing I've said. My age and numbers
may not that much, but I'm old, old school. I
didn't have I was thirteen years old when I got
running water and a bathroom inside the house. We had well,
we had running water from a well. I should say well,

(26:18):
we got city water and an inside bathroom. I was thirteen.
Other than that, we had well water in an outhouse
in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
God right now. Now.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
It was funny because I got city water at the
beginning of that summer, and in October for my birthday,
I got a Nintendo system. So I got, I got,
I got a toilet, I got fresh water and a
Nintendo all the same year.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Here.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, that's a great year, great year.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
See, I always love it. That could be a whole
other episode because when he was thirteen hours three years old, Yeah,
I always got him a dirty old man.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I could have see when I was a senior, I
could have driven you to kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We got your driver's license. I was in first grade. Yeah,
they wouldn't like us back there and we'd be thirteen and.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Why do you need Okay?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So okay, so we're at the funeral and everything now,
and this man, Erasmus said, like he's already tampered with
the crime scene, took her upstairs. Wouldn't let anybody see her.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now there in the funeral.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wouldn't let the doctor examine.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
The head or the neck of the way you had
their head propped up. Not yet, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I say, we're now at the funeral. So he's standing
at the head of the coffin. Again, he won't let
anybody like really come spend any kind of time with her,
like looking at her or anything. Right, he has placed
a white linen beside her head on one cheek, and
a pretty scarf around her neck that actually they said

(28:04):
did not match the out So like he's to me,
this is like, okay, yeah, he's straight up trying to
hide something.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, for sure, he said, by the way he acted
at the house, and now the way he's carrying on
that behavior at the funeral.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Now. What's interesting, though, is Zna's mama Mary. She made
sure to take something to remind her of Zona, and
she swiped the little white linen from the coffin.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, without him noticing.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And then Erasmus wrapped up the service very very quickly
and abruptly.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Well, yeah, once he saw the linen was gone, he
shut everything.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
So we think just outside looking in, he might have
been like respected.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
So I can't really, I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I just got here, But now that's what we want.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
There's other yeah about it.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I think he I mean he might at that time
because they were he had two otherwise, one divorced him
because of cruelty and abuse. The other one died under
my serious circumstances as well.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, drop the brick on her head.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, it's always the husband, is it not? It should
be well, I mean, like you watch the true Crumb
stuff too, it's always the husband.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Like nowadays, if you're not too busy, would you just
grab this for me? That is probably that.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
We actually did a whole episode on how I Get
away with it?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's that loose brick or not? Should I call your
brother have him come do it?

Speaker 8 (29:57):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I see Rick on the chat, He says, do
I hear Banjo's Yeah, Rick, you would actually hear Banjo's
up here for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And we always tell people like when you're coming up
to our house, when it gets scary and you think
you've gone too far and you missed it.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, you're almost almost there.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Just keep when you hear the banjos, You're about here.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I know that it's the whistles.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Now I say the tidy tire. She will not let
me whistle as I do this to her all the
time too, Like what if I did it, She's like,
she starts like booking it for the door. She's like,
but I would go towards the banjos in the world exactly, like, Okay,

(30:40):
I hear something. This is weird for over here, so
I need to go see what it is.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, like I said, his his reaction and his things
he was doing was already suspicious as hell. But back
then the law didn't push much. You know, if a
husband's said't know, then they respected it. And now folks whispered.
But the case technically it should have been there, and

(31:07):
it really would have ended there because they wrote it
down and case closed, right, I.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Mean, that's just how it was back then. Whatever was
the cause of death, they really didn't reopen it. Yeah,
and they, like I said, the husband had just like
Jessica was saying, he it could have been taken as
a sign of respect that he cared and why he
had wrapped her up so closely and all that kind
of stuff. You might have loved that, like pillowed her

(31:35):
head and everything because he just wanted her to be comfortable.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I'm not stuff wrong. You never know.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
If I do that with Daniel, he's gonna be this
that that bear pose.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
You know. Now I'm gonna do. I want the No,
I want the Patty walk like Bigfoot. That's what I want. Sasquatch.
That's exactlyohol. And speaking of Sasquatch, it says, h if
there isn't a case of a big murder this month,
I'm going to be so disappointed. And you know, I

(32:07):
think I may have to do it like.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
This month, Like that's just too easy. Like maybe it'll
come one day, but y'all will never know about it.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, you know, the supernatural element. I guess what are
we about?

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Aaron Michael or eighteen seventy six the Trout Creek Outrage.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Which one.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Eighteen Yeah, this is late eighteen hundreds. Okay, now this
is Green Briar. Are you trying to catch up? No,
it's the Green Briar.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Gross. The main guy's name is Erasmus trout Shoe and
he just goes by Trout.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
So yeah, and okay, Mary Jane Hesser, that's the mom.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
It was Sona, she would be our protagonist, I guess.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, this one actually, as much as we like
to focus on the victims and everything and have y'all
remember them, and obviously Zona is the victim here, but
her mother, Mary Jane Hester, she's not satisfied with any
of this at this point. She's letting her doubts be

(33:23):
known around Greenbrier, like the whole county. Like, she's very,
very vocal. She prayed for answers. She starts seeing Signs
one Virginia, Virginia. Oh, a lot of shit happens there.
That's why we're doing a lot of like the kind
of supernatural elements this month. Yeah, you're gonna love this.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
One to figure out. Normally do any time of true
crime stuff, but since it's October, we tried to last
year season, so this year we're doing anything supernatural mainly
like ghost stories stuff like that too.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
That does tie in with the true prime aspect. So yeah,
marry the mom. She's Mary Jane Hester. Yeah, she is
praying for answers about her daughter's death. She's now seeing
signs one is being the white linen that she took
from the coffin. When Mary washed it, the water turned red.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Now, the linen wasn't dirty, it wasn't bloodstained.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That it was brand new, fresh linen.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
But she wanted to wash it because outside. But it
turned out that it was.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
A grieving mom.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, she's it looks like she's getting signs from Zona.
And we'll see more direct signs here in a minute.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah. Uh, Zona actually comes back to her sons and stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
This one does.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, Zona comes back to mom. She appears at the
foot of her mama's bed pale is the grave and
told her flat out quote, Mama, he killed me. He
broke my neck. And Mary Jane said that her daughter
showed her how it happened. The ghost twisted her head
all the way around until she could hear bones cracking

(35:18):
to prove it like that her neck was broken like
some the straight out of the Extorcist.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
She wasn't a witch, no no, and they were still due.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
She said that that that visitation from Zona convinced her
beyond a shadow of a doubt that okay, yes, my
daughter was murdered.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Now she's like a medium, no, I mean, not professed
to be, but she was received from everything.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
She's like, you know, just like she was praying. She
started seeing signs like the linen turning red when she
washed it, and then son and herself appearing to her.
So we don't know anything like she there's no documentation
whatsoever that she was a medium or a witch. Back

(36:07):
then they would consider her witch.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah. Yeah, Mary said that she had This is the
only time anything like this has happened to her was
when her daughter came and she comes back four knots
in a row, and then that was it. The linens
and then the four visitations.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, and on the visitation where she spun her head
around like something straight out of the extressist.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, she said.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
She said to her mom, quote, he grabbed my neck
and let it lose at the second moone, I guess
that second vertebrae in the neck right there is where yeah,
Zona is the one the dead woman. The wife had died.
She appeared to her mother and told her mother that

(36:54):
that's what happened to her. So yeah, Now Mary Jane
marches herself over to the prosecutor told him what she
had seen. This is that first visitation. I think most
men would have probably laughed her out of the door,
because again we're talking late eighteen hundreds here, not white

(37:18):
nineteen hundred. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, So, like I said, she goes to the prosecutors
down there, and again the visitations had the neck twisting.
She told her washed then and turn red. Yeah, but
in the visitations it was she showed her the neck twist.
But she also told her things that was going on,

(37:43):
like how he was being abusive and all this kind
of stuff too. All talks. He showed, Oh yeah, we'll
get it. Yeah. So she goes down, she talks to
the prosecutors, and most of the men down there kind
of laughed out the door, but the one main guy

(38:04):
he listened. Uh. He got with doctor Nap and found
out that of actual autopsy had not been done, and
when he had performed the original examination that it was
very very you know, done, rushed. He took the husband's

(38:27):
word for it because he never checked the neck.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
You never checked him back then, you wouldn't. I mean,
women were just coming.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Over, yeah, exactly, all for him. For a second. I
was like, yeah, he definitely what he was. Uh, they
took his word because of his grief and his show
he was making.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I mean him dressing her with the high collar, the
handkerchief around the neck like he was obviously trying to hide.
Was the damage to her now, No, I got even mind,
like back in this day and age, like the forensic
and everything was basically non existent.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So he didn't know what to happen.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
So when they said when he said, okay, I found
her body at the bottom of the stairs and everything,
and I was just I was so in grief and
everything that I had to take her upstairs for the bed.
And you might have had bad luck. Bless her heart,
she didn't.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Well. So what they do.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Fell down the stairs. I think that was him.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Trying to her body was at the bottom of the
stairs for sure. Yeah, but because.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That's where Andy, the eleven year old found her, was
at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Of the stairs. So this prosecutor he does listen. He
talks to doctor Knapp and realizes that his original checkup
wasn't what it needed to be, so he actually whether
he didn't lock he kind of had some feelings about
Shoe or trout. Anyways, either way, he orders on his

(40:01):
body to be dug back up, and yeah, what's cool
is he goes into town and he finds that's unemployed,
just sitting around drinking, and he tells them grabs shovels,
y'all gonna go help me dig up this body. He
don't get a choice. He's like, come on, and he said, uh.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
What would y'all do, Like if somebody, if y'all are
we're all some random dude just walks in. Well, he's like, hey,
we're gonna go dig up a body. And you're like,
all right.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah. They told him said it was a matter of
police business that they had to they'd be arrested. So
what when they got the body up? They do they uh.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's the husband that
was messing with the body.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
So the prosecutor overseas along with the sheriff or the
whatever he is in that area. But the law enforcement
and the prosecutor oversee the the dig enough. I can't
say that word. Yeah, they that sounds like a skin disease.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
He calls them. He calls them words.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So they they watch it happen. They take the body
back to doctor Knapp's place where he does his business,
and he.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Actually performs an autopsy and he actually has a few
witnesses at this point before nineteen hundred. Yes, and he's
still like eighteen ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Well, I don't not yet. We hope so from now,
not that we know of, hopefully it'll be nice. I
watched a lot of bones. I'm I don't even know
what's going on. No, it's good. I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So now, Andy the eleven year old is actually one
of the witnesses to the autopsy.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
But yeah, Andy, so if you want.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Andy was the eleven year old that was working for
the family, which the husband had like, hey, go chick
on my wife real quick.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
And then Andy's the one who discovered her body. That's
a y'all think or speculation. Is this man done Brokernet
pushed her down the stairs? Well, I think that he
probably did, and then said, hey.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I think that he killed her and then just positioned
her there like put her body down there to make
it look like she fell down the stairs.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
But at the same time, like by the time she was.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Found, I would assume like if there were like the
bruising on her neck like from his hand or something,
that by the time the boy found him, that's the
reason why he was like, oh I got to get
this body uptairs ran like in his grief.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
They moved, he moved her body.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Oh yeah, barricaded himself in their bedroom. Will you not back?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
They did, that's what Andy is. They said, go get
the doctor.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
His mom. Yeah, got actually one of the witnesses. He's
actually one of the witnesses. Now to the autopsy after
they exume her body. But the husband, Erasmus is there
as well. But it was said that he sat in
the corner whittling on a stick with his knife or whatever,

(43:34):
just whittling something. I don't know who was whittling. Said
he was concerned and a bit nervous. According to the documentation,
we found especially when doctor Knapp approached the neck, and
what they found was just as the ghost said to
Mary Jane.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
The mom was broken.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
The first and second vertebrae were fractured. And remember the
ghost said, like broken at the second.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Bump, the second got loose at the second ball.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, that could be And there were they didn't not
severe bruising around the throat. Her windpipe was crushed natural causes,
like even falling down the stairs. You don't crush the
windpipe just by falling downstairs unless like you somehow managed
to hit your throat on a step which no, I mean,

(44:27):
I'm sorry, every every single case I've ever looked at
the involved falling down the stairs, nobody's wind pipe was
ever crushed. No, did he go away for it?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Oh yeah, it says at that moment they said that
was enough evidence. So they hauled Trout off in irons.
They handcuffed him on the spot and arrested him right then.
Now he swore that he was innocent, but everybody in
the Greenbrier County area had already kind of figured he
was guilty from adding up his way he was acting.

(45:02):
Plus what the.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Doctor came back and was like, it was like, hey, mama,
guess what happened to me? He went away? So I mean,
where is this at this? I mean, this is enough
to haul Erasmus off in handcuffs, irons, whatever they had,

(45:26):
I always assume irons.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
But wow, he goes to prison. Yeah, he does die
in prison. Uh he only stays a few months. And
well they said he dies from an illness that was
going through the prison. Yeah, they assumed it was locus
or something like that back then. Yeah, longer exactly. But

(45:55):
I think that, like you said, she she may have visited,
and she may have visited there in the prison to.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
After. This is where it actually gets really interesting because
they actually let Mary Jane testify aut Zona's ghost. This
is the first time in recorded history that ghost testimony
was ever used as court record.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yea for real, Yeah, got in the.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'm gonna pull ghosts next time.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Hello, this is the only time that. And I kind of.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Wonder just because like mom was so like she knew
what happened, and she was saying, Okay, this is what
my daughter's ghost set happened. And that turned out to
be what happened, like that her neck was broken and everything.
Like I think even back then they were like, well,
we may want to hear this.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
They said, oh, found her at the bottom of the stairs.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
The first initial Yeah, obviously she burger neck, so maybe
she could have been a little crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Let's say, I mean, there's part of out that she
probably felt like a mama knows, you.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, And the fact that the first and the fact
that the it lined up so perfectly too, you guys.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
The second moment specifically where her neck was.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Broken down and she had no medical history. The mother
Mary had no medical background. Uh, she had details about
the house that she had never been in. Yeah. When
that's some of the things that comes out in the
trial and her testimony. She talks about, according to her,

(47:52):
what Zona as a ghost told her, details about the house,
about what she was wearing, where she was found, all
these things that Mary didn't see. Mary was able to
tail in court. Eleven year old, that eleven year old
told a little bit more is the one who found her,

(48:14):
And it's possible he did tell her you feel your boom? Yeah,
there's there's obviously case.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Okay, Erasmus lawyer tries to paint her as crazy. Obviously
Rock I mean, as a defense attorney, I would do
the same exact day, like this woman's batship.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
But he's trying to paint Mary it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm saying like that this woman is nuts and obviously
in a sense then what the hell, you know, like
he just kind of a ship him against him. I
mean they ask like if this woman, if she's really
seen a ghost, if she was lying for attention?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I never know, some people do, but.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I mean Mary Jane, the mom, She never wavered in
her story at all, never, not once. She told it
the same way. Every single time Zona came back. She
told her the truth. The people in the gallery apparently
were like just hanging on every single word.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
This is other.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
I would go yeah, back and would believe even if
it was absolute.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I said at the beginning, like it's actually scientifically proven,
like for mothers our baby cells still live in us
like for eighteen plus years and everything. And sometimes you're like, oh,
I wonder why I didn't feel good that day. Yeah,
I mean I've I've been the exact same way. I mean,

(49:54):
there's something to the mama's intuition.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
And then the ghost is still going yeah, because she
actually comes back to her mother multiple times, so the
residents or whatever has she been seen since.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
No, there's no record.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Of anybody else but her mother seeing her.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
He died in the boom.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
She got her justice, Yeah, but I mean the jury
doesn't write any kind of ghost evidence down.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I hope we don't see or this un I'd be
like I didn't see you.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
But the jury they don't write down like the ghost
appearance or anything as any kind of evidence for themselves
in their ruling. But they have the broken neck, they
have the suspicious behavior, they have the dudes questionable past.
Like I still go to trout on that one. I'm like,

(50:57):
she could, but I do think that that ghost or
like wait on them a little bit. We were talking
about like the mama's intuition, Like yeah, and it was
probably an all male jury.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
At that point for sure. Yeah, but they still couldn't
convicted him.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
You, yeah, there's not there is enough to me to
be reasonable doubt to not to convict him.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
On me.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Absolutely, with me, I'd be like, okay, ghost evidence, like
that's that's been much like I would discount that. I
would not factor that in the suspicious behavior. The way
he dressed her, the way he wouldn't let anybody around
her head or neck, Oh all that, yes, circumstantial, But
I'm like, dude was trying to hide something. I mean

(51:53):
he put her in a hot collar and a handkerchief.
So to me, he's like, Okay, this bruising and everything
is going to show. People are gonna They all talked
to her after that in her best.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
The stairs.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, he took your body from the foot of the
chairs where it was found by the little boy. They
put rosy cheeks on the men back in.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
The day, make them the best, like you said, dressed
them up.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I mean, we still do what I mean. There is
such a thing, as you know, the makeup that.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
We're always like, oh, they look so they don't.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Let's say, no, they don't look life like.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
They don't look like actually their lips under they might
be legless.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I've always thought that too. When you see them. In
some cases they tell them that, don't they look so good?
I'm like, no, they don't.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Person when they know.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You'd be better. There my caskets, I remember.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Put them in a mass. I say, I want to
be cremated. First off, I mean, do whatever I can exactly,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
At the back end, over.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
A million times in vacuumed him in.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You need to secure.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I say that shelf in there, that little bookshelf beside
the TV, my daddy's in there. But see, my daddy
was just like me. Okay. His his mother, my grandmother,
died four days before my seventeenth birthday. We had her
funeral on July tenth, which was the day before my birthday,
and she died his mom. She lived with us like

(53:54):
very very close. It was like losing one of my parents.
She died four days before my seventeenth birthday, but the
day no, she we buried her the day before my birthday.
My daddy died two years three years ago this December. Yeah,

(54:14):
but Daddy and I were the same way like we
we had to actually walk away from the grave site
at Graham's funeral and everything because he kept making jokes
and we got you know, you get those giggles and
everything and you can't stop them.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
We had to.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Walk away because people are looking at us like this
is like to Daddy, like this is your mother and
the grandmother and everything. And I was like, but the
jokes that he made and everything, like Graham would have
probably loved it. But people were looking at us like
we had lost our minds and like wet.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Never been to my mother's grave, Will not go because
she'll halt my ass. I've gone to this, you look
at it and not her around and I turn around
and I don't look at them go in the ground.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
That's fucking morbid. Yeah, No, you're fine. I've never been
to a the whole I've never been to my mom's Like,
I don't recommend it. I've been to way too many ye.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Because I had to, not had to. I went by
myself and I wrote a note, put I ate some
candy and I left left the reference.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
He was already in there, I say, I before you
went by.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
My anxiety gets so bad funerals, I like my uncle Johnny.
We had to leave early because I'm sorry. I feeling
like unbelievably nauseous and everything.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
But I've never seen him like, maybe maybe we should
go back to having funerals inside home that like, let
them take them. It's uh, it wasn't bad having her
at home and having funeral service. I think she's actually
buried on family ground too, instead of instead of a

(56:12):
plot somewhere, you know, cemetery. I think she's on family
ground too.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
I found and my dad. It's crazy and honestly, I
don't even want to know.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, thank you. They're cheering. I think they're important.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Watching this literally is like U's just normal on our
front porch. That's why we titled the show front Porch Forensics.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
But she Jessica brought up a good point about the
what's the word.

Speaker 9 (56:56):
Uh okay, So the band competition earlier, I mentioned the
like I said, the best drummer in Central Alabama.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
He got let's say, I sent a lot of all
the video of him drumming upside down.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Last night.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
Yeah, he got.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
For all you out there that's not a weird stalker,
there's a video out there publicly chat of him playing
the drums upside down and it's really impressive. Message me
and I'll send it to you. It's really cool. But anyways,
young man wonderful drummer.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
They had a band competition today and apparently they highest.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
They got the highest rank they could get, which is
a one. So congratulations. They're in there celebrating now. But
let's wrap up the story real quick. Well, we'll talk
more about it till because JUTS is because it's coming
on after so we're gonna run. There's still nine uh,
but we were gonna sit and visit with you guys.
We're gonna talk about some stories we're gonna bring up.

(58:05):
We're gonna talk about some things that we also can
bring up and talk about through October here on klr
N Radio dot com. It is like right here says
it's juxtber theme, it's cryptids, So it'll be a perfect

(58:26):
month for the uh about exactly. I love cryptids, Okay,
like I would have a just Cryptied show if I could.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Skin Walker's may be my favorite skin.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Walkers are, but like I said, Zona was buried.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Native American, but still, yeah, it would be a Native
American one. That would be a fun one.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
So we're gonna we're gonna wrap up this on the
story and then this kind of hang out and talk
out some other stuff coming up. So, but Zana was
buried in Greenbrier County. Her grave is marked with a
simple stone. Uh. And to this day these folks will
leave flowers there and the marker itself even mentions the ghost.
The state of West Virginia honors it as the only

(59:18):
case where testimony from a ghost help convict a murderer.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, so it's amazing, it's amazing to think about that. Yeah,
Like a woman is silenced by her husband's hand. And
there may be at least one other wife before that too.
She died under my nay I think so the first

(59:45):
wife divorce him and listed the grounds as cruelty and abuse.
Second one died mysteriously brick.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
And this one supposedly she fell down the stairs, but but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
The ghost said that he actually like grabbed her in
like a fitter age and everything and wrenched her neck.
It could have been an accident.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Three bad choices of women, man it will I will
wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You said, I'm not saying he's right, but sometimes I understand.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
You know, they always it's harder than they always likes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
To preference the show because we have a lot of
our a lot of our main viewers and everything think
that I'm a closeted serial killer. And I'm like, you'll never.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Know, you better nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Nobody will ever know. And my rule number one has
never put anything in writing. Never, whether it's like text
message anything. There was a bomber that got convicted because
the pad that he wrote his plans on and everything
pulled that sheet off and everything and burned it, but
the imprint so he left on the sheet below it
and everything we're used to convict him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Keep notes that way you can know it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I say, I always tell people rule number one is
always never get caught. But we'll put anything in writing.
First off, don't let no motherfucker know exactly. Tell nobody disappear,
best friends if he ever disappears, like, ain't nobody gonna know?
Ship are you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Are you in?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
But yeah, we have to be I use that. I say, Okay,
my husband and her husband like the first time we
were actually like sitting outside your house after we drop
the kids off. Afterwards, they start laughing. I look over
and I'm like, what they're like, y'all were separated at birth?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Yes, I think so?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah, the best next thing, next best thing. I think
I said it backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You said it's just as good as argument.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Okay, well yeah, this is like actually the probably most
authentic version in front of for forensics we've ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
This is what you've always wanted real just conversation street.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
You know, this is what like I got him into
true crime and everything. I love how y'all do it?
Though this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
In the beginning. Let me wrap up her real quick.
So we do have another show coming on behind us.
I got I want to finish up about Zona real quick,
and then we will talk about that. So Zona hester
shoes though still Watson Greenbrier, they say, warning that truth

(01:02:58):
can call its way out of the if the living
won't dig it up, dig for it. Tonight we told
you all the story of the Greenbriar Ghost, where justice
came wrapped in death shrouds and cold Mountain missed. And again,
all through October, we're gonna be doing uh, We're breaking stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
We're bringing tales where true crime or for our show,
the true crime meets the supernatural. And then we're October.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah, and then of course I just said Judge Sobers
is doing cryptis. The show is called Judgtaposition, So we'll
I'll actually be looking for some stories that bring in
some cryptids too to bring it up. And I will
be happy to join Judge position any night. Y'all want

(01:03:45):
me to, Rick?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Can we bring them out real quick and let me
whistle and watch them freak out?

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
What do that one night? That'll be awesome? Then these
Appalachian Hills people freak out about that for good reasons
a lot of time, real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
But yeah, our show, our show again supernatural kind of
meets true crime. So the murders are whispered and dreams,
the killers named by spirits, and just as it eventually
comes from beyond the veil is what we're going to
be covering.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, and I will find a big Foot story, some
sort of death in the woods for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Do you all want to come do a celebratory dance?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
First time in three years has profession not got on one?
And then I joined? I got you y'all are missing
a good night on our forest, thank you for having me.
We're not going to do a normal uh memorial. I said,

(01:04:50):
there's only the one victim, So yeah, we got Zona
and then we got me. I guess victims. We got
Lucy as well, you know, so just keep those were
real people who lost their lives, So keep them in
your memories and say a prayer for them, if you will.
Uh tell Trout, it's hard to say that he's the

(01:05:12):
bad guy in this because I don't know. To me,
I'm convinced he's a bad guy. But to me, there's enough.
There's not enough. The reasonable doubt, to me is enough
that I would not have convinced.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I say, I wouldn't convict him, but I am convinced
he's guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Do you think he did do it? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I think he absolutely killed it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
What do y'all think? Hey, I would say he didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
He didn't as a person, yeah, or not a person,
But looking at just the evidence, I believe and go
supernatural everything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Well then what do you think about her saying that, Hey,
my husband kills I.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
Think that poor mama was trying to get justice in
any way she could.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Okay, that would make sense too, but I mean of course,
like if we lost our children, like knock on wood,
that it never happens. Yeah, I mean we would absolutely
must say, we would not leave it just the way
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
We would be pursuing it. So nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
It's against the world, her against the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
We'll never know, and I don't want to stay awake.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
At not he died.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
No, he didn't consumption and that's not drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
That's the long.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
But yeah, there's no there's no proof enough to me
to say that he did it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
I do hope that that woman got justice in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Let's say, I like having these different perspectives because I
one hundred percent think he's guilty. I think he killed her.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I hate if he didn't. When I'm talking in on him,
I don't want to talk ill or good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
On the dead at all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
True, that's very fair.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
All.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah. All we can do is is figure on what is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Just speculat based on what we do know. And this
is again before the nineteen hundreds. At this point, we
have like everybody here, we'd already hold you like our
normal our normal shows and everything. We have all these
like mountains of like forensic and physical evidence that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
We talk about and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
We did this every week. We were so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
But anyhow, I was like, oh, I need to show
you the picture that his dad got down there by
the pond.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Oh, that would be so good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
There's there's I don't know, there's a dude in a
picture that was not there when he was down there
taking pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So no, actually, yeah, got a ghost on beat on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I'm like, his dad doesn't know how to like and yeah,
clear as they we'll find it. I'll find it. I'm like,
let's go grab my camera, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
It was years ago, so we'll find you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, we had to quote
the hand rails. I was like, branding there is a
face in the glass. Yeah, I swear I have that
was I send it to him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I did. Brendan said, I'm believing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
He ran out that school so quick. But we did
do their hand rails.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
We may have to do a ghost live work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
So so much fun.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Yeah, like, hello, you see it and coordinate what's going
on with the children.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
You know she's not gonna go, you know, not going to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Go with us. Yeah, will be that person.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Cars, the bell I will stop just short of Aligi
board and the symbols, because I don't want to go demon.
There's the witch.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
I would have been the state that's his revenge.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I probably would have been na herbs and stuff that I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Don't think I did. Maybe I did. You deserve drove,
I will. It's protection. It's not which there's you're a white,
which the good green? Green is good green, purple.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
We'll keep them on like we exchange plants and stuff all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
The time, like yeah, no, do y'all know what the
green is? And supernatural speaking of the car, so the
green since we're talking about supernatural, right, it's y'all have
lived in that flat mountains as long as I have, right,

(01:10:43):
So the the green and that flat lord is the
good magic the mountains, the magic of the land, the
magic of the mountains, and it's called earth. Yeah, and
it's considered the good. And then you've the dark, which
is you know, the bad is the dark, you know

(01:11:06):
the black. But the green is what's called referred to
as the green is the good magic. When you say
you're green, then you I a green.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I have a hol apothecary book and everything for next
year beause I'm gonna start growing herbs and stuff because
a lot of it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Normally I'm been trying to talk him into it. Got
two years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
This is this is Jessica. She's our she's better I say,
she's family at this point. So, uh, she is the
drummer's mom. And uh they're over here and the drummer
and the tiny tyrant or dating, they're in their.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
They got all ones on the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Color guards one awesomeness. So needless to say, we're proud. Yeah,
and so that's good. And we don't know if Trout
did it or not. Yeah again, I don't know. I
couldn't have convicted you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I couldn't have convicted him, but I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
He did it. Now. That is twoenty and twenty five talking. Yeah,
eighteen ninety seven was completely different world.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
Yeah, yeah too though now because we held your whatever,
your booby.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
He had arthritist or something and we made it feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
You're a witch, you mean you can count which which
I read a book.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Oh my god, I'm like, put a quarter on your
boat before you get in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Don't sat there with the right foot. So if I
was just still soft like in the line, could you
could you go around it? Or I will not count.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Yes, if you salt or whatever, like the table eating
that's over the right shoulder.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
You walk in and I don't like you, I will
st you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I can. I can see Rob with a circle of
slid around him in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
You go after the bat. No, my sister didn't walk
out the room one time when I saulted her.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
And I let a candle and she stayed. I'm telling you,
I was like you. I was a little That makes
so much sense. That's what she was thinking. Now I
get it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I think there is one truess and it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Be good humans.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It doesn't matter what you do. Don't be bad, be
a good person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
To other people. Be a good human.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
The energy you put out is what you get back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yes, but see we're we're Christians. Yeah for sure. And
like I said, I got I'm teaching the youth of
Sunday School all this month covering and I got a
sermon I'm preaching on November to twenty from the Bible. Yeah,

(01:14:31):
and uh so it's the greatest story ever written. Absolutely,
and it's story well it's true. But the h but
the thing is, even if you're Christian or not whatever,
whatever you believe, I'm not gonna judge nobody. But like
you said, the key is to be a good person.

(01:14:53):
You do your best to represent your goodness to other
people and spread it along. And that's all I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
Turn and turn and like God, Jesus, the Holy you know,
is a judgmental ship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
The problem is that a lot of the religion, part
of the church.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
Religious, well, you know, I pray every day, do not
take I pray to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Up there. But no, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:15:34):
Be good and he is forgiven. And but I don't
think he is mean as everybody gets out together.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
He's not.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
And my word, when I get to where I'm going,
very and they say, don't read it. But and then John,
the first I read it, that's the greatest story it
has been construed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I always tell people like, if you do good, I
always say that karma is only a bitch if you
are and that's exactly what. Yeah, but I mean, that's
just that's it's a righteous bitch.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
At that point, can we get shirts, No.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I know, I love it. I don't get the whole religion.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
So I was taught like not I get religion, but
you know, Bible and church. I was taught you could
mh other half grew up Jewish my grandparents. My dad
didn't follow it. My mom was a Bible bumping Baptist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Who yet drugs. You know what I'm saying that it's
gonna find out for myself now.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
The type of is the same as going to church fellowship.
I don't do the whole What do you call them hypocrites?
Everyone's a hypocrite, everybody or another. Yeah, so the people who.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I want to that one, that one gets misrepresented all
the time. But that's what we're supposed to hold each
other accountable. We can't judge if you're going to hell
or not. That's exactly. And that's the thing too. It's like,
as long.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
As you believe in what you believe in, it's all
the same. I don't I don't want to see here
and think all the Chinese people are going to Hell.
I really don't itells. Each persons gathered, don't want to
think about. Each person has got their own journey that

(01:17:57):
they carry you in, the same.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
All the gods that have ever been spoken of as human.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, I think so too. Actually, even the.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Old gods, the new gods, the god, there's one god.
Idolism it is one, but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It breaks it up version. I mean I've even done
when I was in high school papers on the Greek
mythologies exactly, so like no, but you get well what
I think Like Zeus, for instance, he represents God the

(01:18:38):
number one and then all the other ones coming down.
They're like the arts exactly. They're the angels, they're the Nephelim,
you know, the heroes of old. So I think it's
just told in different stories.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
Is everybody had to tell a story. So our Bible
is a story from that side, the Greek, the Torah,
the Vikings, their gods.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
It's God. It's got back to this one. And then
you pray.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Yeah, I just pray to the one of the Bible.
But again that's us. I mean, I don't think the Zeus.
I'm like, somebody helped me, not you, Satan.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
Yeah, and then I feel bad for him sometimes I'm like,
you know what, y'all can judge me. I like that,
I do feel bad for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
It's hard, you know, because he should have been forgiven
and then if he's just wouoling hell on limb. I
think he was forgiven a long time ago and everybody
goes to heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I think the forgiveness is there, but he doesn't choose it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Because I'm pretty sure I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Get my trial, sir, listen here, there's my evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Everybody says, talk to So what do y'all think? Now
we can? On this show tonight we talked about we
talked about the ghost, right, Well, y'all mentioned mediums and
stuff like that. Was asking, so I know there's some
cases that are pretty I would say, up to date,

(01:20:24):
you know now current, I guess, or in recent years
part where they use a medium or a psychic or
something to help, yeah, to help solve that. How do
y'all I believe? Well, why do you Why would you think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
I love feelings? I love everything?

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
But how would that be different than Mary's ze and
zona the ghost? Would that be kind of on the
same lines.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
She saw it where I mean, I guess you had
to feel her out at that time, because I mean,
she wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
More exactly so it could have been the grief.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, So I don't know if you didn't I want that,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I just think it's interesting that since this was the
first that actually was documented in court, I was wondering
how y'all thought about the other ones with the the
I don't have any. I don't have any particular ones.
This in general.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Struggle, right because you know, your your initial thought is
they're they're making it up. They're just trying to get
their way and all the things right. But in the
universe is weird, man, Yeah, you know, And and I
believe in I've had some experiences I can't explain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
After the show, I'll tell y'all about the ones we
did last year. We did a whole episode of experiences
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
We got thirty minutes, we got guests tonight. So have
you got something you want to share? Share it? But
it's openness.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
I mean, look, look, my family built a home or
I just brought my daughter from an Indiana on an
old family property. We tore down the old home that
my great grandmother lived in and for it. In that home,

(01:22:24):
as far as we are concerned, she has been there,
a grandma Brown, great grandmother Brown. You'll find a rocking
chair moving, You'll find things misplaced. So it comes down
to what you choose to believe is real or not

(01:22:45):
real or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
And I've experienced things in that interaction that I choose
to believe are things I can't explain, but I'm not
going to dismiss you know. So there are things beyond
our control out there, whether it's heavenly hell and whatever

(01:23:12):
that uh I choose to accept for I can't control. Yeah,
you know so.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
I get that too. Like I said, I kind of
lean angelic or demonic just because of my belief. But
there's obviously things that are happening that is outside of
our it's supernatural, it's outside of the natural. Yeah, I've
had experiences too, Like when I was a small child,

(01:23:45):
I was sick or not, and I know for a
fact that my grandfather sat down side of my bed
I did and he he he rubbed my shoulder and
he said, you're gonna be fine, don't worry about it.
I meanvery clear, as a bell happened, Nick could have
been a fever drink. That's why I've always written it
all fast. It's oh, it's just my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
But you never know, I believe in anything that I was, Like,
you got a fever here. I threw up one time
and I saw him pushed a fute button in my stomach,
that little thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
And you've had stuff growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
The shortest, the shortest story I can tell. The house
that I, my brother and I grew up in and everything.
We used to like hear voices coming from our events,
but at the same time, there was like construction going
on up the hill from us, so we thought like
maybe we were hearing just like from their walkie talkies

(01:24:46):
or something like transmitting somehow. That's all we thought. But
I had a cousin at the same time. I was
probably sixteenth, well probably seventeen eighteen at this time, and
he was really big into the ghost hunting stuff. So
he had bought all this equipment and everything, and we

(01:25:08):
decided to take his tape recorder and everything and put
it in the basement on the hood of my mom's
car at the time, and we just left it sitting
there where it would only turn on if it heard
it picked up a sound, and you know, we all
just you know, we kind of go about our night
and everything and go to bed. We come up and
we checked it out the next morning and everything and

(01:25:30):
there's just I mean there's hours of just silence and everything.
Nothing picked up until we heard a voice say, tell Joyce,
I'm sorry, shit, clear as day. But what gets me
is Joyce was the name of my grandmother who was
severely abused by my grandfather. He was actually a member

(01:25:53):
of the KKK back then. He was a Birmingham police
officer during the Civil rights movement and everything. There are
allegedly photos of him with the dogs and the fire
hoses and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
He's in some of those photos.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
And my mom when she heard it, she goes, that's
RC's voice, which RC was what we called my grandfather.
That was his name or the initials for his name
and everything. I've got my things with that too, I
think if you make your piece and everything like So.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
We just had to live up on the on the stream,
so we dropped out for a second. Most of you've
heard heard this story before.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
We did it a couple of years ago or last year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah, but if you want to pick up back up
from what the recording said real quick, we're back live now. So.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Oh, what the recording said was that we had placed
a tape recorder on the hood of my mom's car
down in the basement of our house. Had complete silence
on the tape until we get to a point where
it says a voice clear as day said tell Joyce,
I'm sorry. And it was according to my mom, my

(01:27:10):
grandfather's voice, who had killed himself when I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Was a kid, recognized the voice clearly as as the
grandfather's voice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah, I would have kept it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I was entirely too freaked out. I was like, I know, like,
my skin is crawling all the way around my body
right now, get.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
No, we're done. I still I'll be like, oh you'll
hear this like I still, like, I still get chills
talking about it. It was so weird. That's your heart though,
that's family. I feel that. I mean, I never really
knew him because he was an awful, awful man. There's
some stuff I can tell you show well shod. Yeah,

(01:27:53):
there was an incense that I was told about from
my dad where he and Daddy was young. Daddy was
almost like a middle child. Basically, he had older brothers
and younger brothers and sisters in the middle, kind of
sandwiching everybody but or Sie. My grandfather would beat Graham

(01:28:17):
bloody in the floor until she would go unconscious, and
and then he beat her back into consciousness and then
screamed at her not to ever bleed on his floor.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Again we should. I'm glad, I'm I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I mean, my only memory of the man is some
family or reunion that we had and I was I
was probably four or five years old, maybe I don't know,
but on that side of the family, all the cousins
were boys and everything. So between my brother and the

(01:28:52):
older cousins and everything, they always wanted to go do
their own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
They're boys, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
So the only other girl cousin and everything was younger
than me, so I would hang out with her and everything.
She was taking a nap, so I went into the
living room to watch TV because there's nothing else for
me to do as kid. All the adults were talking,
you know, I mean, I'm little, and then my grandfather
comes in and he just sits on the couch and everything,
and he starts giving me greasy cups, like little miniature ones,

(01:29:20):
and all I remember is a few minutes later, my
mom coming in the room screaming, was snatching me up
and yelling at him, and I had no idea why
at the time. Yeah, to put it nicely, he was sorry,
you know, I mean, yeah, nothing ever with me. But

(01:29:43):
I'm now looking back on her to understand why my
mother was, and that's the one who.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
His business study what he was known for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
There's unclarified rumor about my grandfather because, like I said,
he was a police officer in Birmingham during the Civil
rights movement. He was actually really good friends with the
grand Dragon of the KKK, like very close friends. No,
there was some rumor that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
He was.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Yeah, he was absolutely one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
He was a member the members.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
We're talking about. He it was suspected that he was
responsible for the borders of two black boys that they
found thrown up under somebody's porch. It was never proven,
but again speculation well and also the connections and everything
with the KKK and the police at that point, they

(01:30:57):
assumed it was a cover up, like protecting them and
so well, on the chat, that's just what I know,
like hearsay from my family, different family members on the chat.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
I've always told me that it wasn't built just for that.
But they would come after, they absolutely would.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
I mean, and the first and then for a minute
we got the number one drummer. But I guess uh
brass is asking was he a Democrat or do you know, Uh,
probably a Democrat the time in the in the South

(01:31:39):
more likely. Yeah, I mean the South was primarily Democrat
for how long?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I mean, be careful. Well, I was also talking about
the viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
The viewers. Oh yeah, nice night guys, y'all are leaving.
You'll be careful, will you're going back to their house?
You're press button you don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
We don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
That's just just norse cancelation. Hit this one right here
and look in the camera. That's fine. Let go okay,
now just look, let's play.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
What do you do him?

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Yeah, that's for.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
On Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I'm gonna go home and rest. I'm tired, tired.

Speaker 6 (01:32:50):
Yeah, good night, careful.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Over anytime, your father, every day, mister mother, missus mother.
We're gonna have to have a show with y'all as
guests to y'alla, and the chat says, I have a
super weird story, mind me to tell you sometimes? That's yeah,

(01:33:17):
so we will definitely have that story attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I think I've talked to her about having her on
as a guest for a story that she was telling me,
So we definitely need to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
The chat's pretty much the same things. It's normal with
the banjo's and all that kind of stuff, is it.
Do y'all have any other Goo stories or creepy things
or experiences so crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
For a minute, she talks toboat people, but I really
do believe her.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
Yeah, she talked to everybody, everybody, anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Yeah, but that's another for Yeah, let's say I've got
I've got several, and that one with Paul is the
one that came immediately to mind because it was shorter.
Potter is a whole, big different story that I'll have
to just tell them when we get done.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
That's a lot, but we're looking for other suggestions. If
y'all have for stories for this for this month, I'm
gonna find something crypted related because I love Bridge. Oh

(01:34:46):
been there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
It's kind of crazy. Let's say which one because there's
multiple and all.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
The k.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Right by tell us about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Oh gosh, I wish to quote his name.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
That's a YouTuber snake go so he's a YouTuber went
into lost Cave. Look it up please? So I could not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Just ship on his name.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
It's fine disappear YouTuber and a lost cave versus the NBA.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
Yes, couldn't find it, so he made two videos. Went
into the NKA. It's right near Area fifty one where
winn in. It was a home of vibrations. You would
see his rope. Oh, Kenny reach what Kenny Beach?

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
What's his uh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
On November tenth, twenty fourteen, outdoorsman YouTuber and experience hiker
Kenny Beach what is in an event known as the
m Cave Incident, disappeared near Ellis Air Force Base. Yes,
that's what was his YouTube name?

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Just so I think.

Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
It was so anyhow he documented it went into the
m K again. Tyler wrote to himself, but I don't
even know why he was found himself, but walking and
you could see it went blak.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
You could see it.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
Go found his phone a mile away in a well
and they blamed it on code's and take.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Up Wikia.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Shout out love, I love him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Tell a bloody.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Story, huh. I found his cell phone and other supplies
necessary on his journey. Yeah, and they blamed it on
They can't They never found it those signs of him,
but they.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Found his stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
No skull.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
I mean even if he would do you know, yeah,
he would at least find parts something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Yeah, you guys, says. No signs except for his mobile
cell phone was ever discovered yea, and no data.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
That is weird. We'll have to look that one up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
Can possibly find his last video. What is his YouTube
name though I don't think had just his name. I
could call Brandon and he'd tell.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Me snake bite McGhee.

Speaker 8 (01:37:40):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Snake bite, that's it. He was great. So there's something
y'all can look up snake bit McGee all the word
if you don't like the the government took him or something.

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
I think he's air Force and so the NP. We
found it on Google Maps. Yeah, you can barely find it.
And it's one of my bucket lists. I'm going with mkay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
We did need to do a ghost I still want
to go up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I don't want to get here in Alabama, so we
need to go pros. Yeah, if attached, I don't want
to die.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
I would find out for.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
There's one the Haunted or the Dead Children's playground up
in North Alabama. I have a whole bucket list of
stuff just here in Alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Yeah, we can take a day trip.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Let me go get my book real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
We're just gonna travel and I'm just hang on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
I have a whole book.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Rob Drivers to stay in the cart and set up. Yeah, Base,
I love I don't know what is it, skin Walker
rants see, I'm when it comes to cryptids, the skin

(01:39:10):
Walker's big foot, blockless monster, the moss Man, all those
kind of stuff. I love that kind of stuff. That's
my way of the books as well. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I have some of the one of my very scary
stories to tell in the dark my mom.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I still have all my original ones.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Serial killers and my mom behind it, and it had
having encyclopedias.

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
All through the shed. All the creatures were scurry even
all and I want to watch at it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Yeah, Charlie, I've.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Been watching it. I've got two episodes left in it.
There's an Easter egg that I was like giddy about
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Pam says, when you gets Steve to talk about Potter,
we'd love to have him all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
It's actually like there for it, like I absolutely need this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yeah, Potter. We talked about him last year during October
and Potter is straight up and demonic entity that her
family dealt with.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
I will tell y'all all this story afterwards. I don't
have time to do it on the show, but y'all
will get the full Potter experience.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
It's wild, like it's it's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
I've not had many ghosts top experiences, but I've had
some stuff that was pretty dang weird, the unexplainable. I'm
a big flip believer. First off, sas watched. I don't
want to run into him, but I think I think
he's a blood and bone creature. I don't think anything supernatural.

(01:40:59):
Some people think it's supernatural. I think it's just a
blood and bone creature.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
I believe, Oh, what.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Is it cold? Wrong term?

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Then? Yeah, the hell people basically that they're out there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Yeah, the feather deeper you go in these mountains, not
down here, but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Is in Kentucky where they're blue because of that genetic
abnormality they have from inbreeding in all those years. They're
actually like physically blue, abominable, abominable, I can't say. Or
a million illumina aluminum.

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
Aluminum so much easier AMM aluminum. You actually do, you say,
I don't think I'm working a well company.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Now we well, I said, I have personal experiences that
I've seen and heard with and my family with Sasquatch.
We've sold on store before I'll tell it again since
its cryptis this month, I'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
We're cleaning in now about thirteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
I've heard on it tonight. But the one supernatural one
that I can't explain really is that what dog?

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Yeah on the fields up here by the house.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
It is if you go no, it was. We have Oh,
by the way, we have a bobcats.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
We got one right when do you come across the
down here of that river of that creek iman right
there and that hollered there's a bobcat that comes back
every year and has their kids.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
There every we hear we hear them yelling all the time. Yesterday,
pulling back into the house, I was like, holy ship.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Is that a bomb cat? Telling you?

Speaker 6 (01:43:09):
He was that big will tell and he looked at
us at I parked and got out the truck.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
I always say that I will my death is going
to be caused by trying to pet something that I
should not be trying to pet. I was out in
the woods, see okay, we have there's a possum out
here and he's got like a chewed up ear so
I named him holy Field. I'm trying to domesticate him

(01:43:41):
like for the best of my ability. I'm trying to
get him come through.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
I know, he's been through some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
But the white dog, like I said, if you come
out into the driveway, turn around, go down the underway.
It's not about four miles from here from where it had. Yeah,
But I was coming home, I guess it was ninety five,
ninety six, ninety seven somewhere around there, and I was

(01:44:11):
coming back up this road going home, teenager, late teens,
and I just passed my uncle's house. Actually they lived
down there at the time when I was still living.
So I was passing this house and I see a
white dog. This is right, you know, like it's glowing
in the headlights. It's about midnight, eleven thirty midnight, standing

(01:44:34):
in the middle of the road, broadside. So I stopped
because I didn't want to hit it, you know, And
it walks to the edge of the road. So I
pull up and I opened my door up trying to
call it, you know, dumb kid. I was gonna get it.
Is this a dog, you know, I was gonna get
it to come to me. And it walked into the field.
So for whatever reason, I get out and I'm following

(01:44:58):
this dog that's something and I don't normally do. And
I'm following this dog and the terrace roads. You know,
we live in a place where the tomatoes grow and
so everything's terrace road out and it was off season.
They had let that field turn over, so it was
grown up. It wouldn't cut down. It was grown up,

(01:45:18):
you know. Yeah. So I was walking over the terrace
roads and the grass was about waist high. But for
some reason, I could see that dog clear as day.
Every time it would cross on top of the terrace road.
There it was. Again, grass was waist high. Should not

(01:45:38):
have been able to see the dog, but it was
just like somebody was shining a light on it. It
was like it was glowing so white. So I'm following it,
just like I'd had this feeling like I needed to
save this dog, right, So I'm following, I'm following, I'm
following it. I lose sight of it. I don't see
the dog anymore, so I get still and I'm calling

(01:45:59):
it then, and I noticed that it's real. There's no buds, no,
it's real quiet. But I can hear stuff around me
in the weeds, moving like going around in a circle.
So at that point, I kind of come back to
my senses, like, what in the hell am I doing
out in this field? Right? So I turn around and

(01:46:21):
I am so far away from the car that I
can barely see lots back on the road. So I
take off running as fast as I can go. And again,
you know, I was actually in shape playing football at
this time, so I was trucking it and I could
hear things on either side of me running in that grass.

(01:46:43):
And I get to the car. Well, I get to
the edge of the of the ditch and I just
jumped clear the ditch. I land on the road and
just kind of roll into the car. It was eighty
seven Thunderbird. I as roll up into the car, radio
still play and headlights still on, door still standing wide open.
I just walked away from the car for whatever reason,

(01:47:06):
just walked away. So I get up into the car,
slam the door, take off, and when I look in
the mirror, that dog is standing in the road again,
just looking at broadside, just like I said on the
first time, just sitting there. Yeah, that's only that I
can figure. And I called my uncle the next saying, like,
do y'all have a white dog? He's like, no, I said,

(01:47:26):
have you seen any white dog walking around? And he's like, no,
our dogs keep everything run off. Yeah, that was the closest,
the scariest moment I've had in the woods. In the
woods that's unexplainable. So there's a lemur on TAP's gap.

(01:47:47):
A lemur? And is this a green witch moment? This
is a leaner lemur. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
I've seen it, seen it, Davy Michael's seen it. I've
seen it older. It's a leamer murat.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
You can't get mad at that. Because there was a
kangaroo that got hit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
One zebra, there's a farm for.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
There is a lemur. It might not have been a lemur,
but we've seen it. I guarantee you if I see it,
come home and be like, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
What that.

Speaker 8 (01:48:39):
Before you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
I'll meet you out here before you go inside. And
I don't have to start going that way to Walmart.
I'm gonna sixteen exist every time I go to town.
Now it's gonna be. I'm gonna go back. I'll find it.

(01:49:01):
Called her baby deer on fifteen one time. Yeah, the
car got it? What did you do with it? I
let it go?

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I called an talking mell. Okay, that one is not shocking.
I know exactly what talking about. She's talking about old talk.
They said, somebody said, say carry lepers.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
It's a shame that she's not on camera because you
see all the body movements and there explaining and everything.
We're gonna make her on camera. Got to give a
little for the imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I said, you read.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
I gotta go Leamur hunting. Now that's what I I'll
tell you what the why man not late sometime between
see I graduated ninety six, so ninety five to ninety seven,
right around there, I don't remember exactly. Watch we get
killed over there. It was I can't I see it,

(01:50:18):
and you get get out of the car. I talked ship,
but I ran. It's everything I had when I finally
come to my senses, like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
What thing is like I'll watch the horror movie.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
It's like, why are you doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
You're an idiot? And I'm like, I thought, it's in
that situation is probably I'm gonna do the same thing.
But like you s the one that they're yelling out
from the TV, like why are you doing this too?

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
In there?

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Well, like you saying there's things in this world that
you cannot under you can't explain it. There's things that's
just who is that? Charlie Daniels says that song is
about I do want to see that. No, I haven't.
One of the lines is there's some things this world
just came explain.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
I love and franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
That's true. There he is.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
We're talking about the conjuring franchise now, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Yeah, we got to turn that way on purpose because
you need to tell your stories a lot. Uh, the
chats and all seem to really enjoy y'all. Is a
black and trustful.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Please and subscribe? Is that what you?

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:51:35):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
We all call him. He got the nickname Viking Santa,
but Bras said, you don't have a car Viking Santa.
You got a slave with a battle axe.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Yeah, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
I need to show you that cookie jar because like
after he got the nickname Viking Santa, they actually had
a Viking Santa cookie jar at hobby lobby for Christmiss
and I sent him a picture of it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
I was like, I'm spending thirty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
The same like within a month and make yea that
showed up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
It was meant to be like I even posted it
to Twitter and everything. Tag Brass like, hey, look what
I just found because I think he's the one that
actually coined the nickname. I think, so, yeah, well there's
there's people in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
Yeah. So what it does is it plays out what
this system we used it. It goes out mainly to
acts and then from there it goes to YouTube several pages,
uh the spreaker out you know, which is a lot

(01:52:49):
of Spotify and on it. Yeah, you can go on
Spotify any of those kind of catchers for podcasts and
find got just look up from sports Friends. It's there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
We are and everyone said tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Will be there probably tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, you'll be able
to listen to replay and uh but like I said,
we're part of what we're doing right now is part
of k l r N Radio dot com. Okay, and
it is the biggest independent podcast host that you never

(01:53:25):
really heard of. Right. They are many, there's so many shows.
What got y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
It actually me and our producer Rick and everything work
together with Twitchy. So he was like, hey, we don't
have a true crime show.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
You want to do one? I was like, I've always
wanted to do one. Twitchy is a we're about to
wrap it up anyway, So this has been a perfect
time for you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Shot Barbie on x UH and my Twitchy author page
is in my bio there. But Twitchy is like kind
of the under the umbrella of Salem Media, which you
got Red State, you got town Hall. Charlie Kirk actually
was affiliated with Sale Media and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
So our group chat was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
And our group chat was chaos because I know a
lot of people who were actually like good friends with him.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
I didn't love him yet, I didn't oh my ship.
His death really spread the word more than anything else.

Speaker 7 (01:54:36):
I think it made a bunch of undercovers come out
and be like, yeah, well we got to wrap up
because they got we got juts Position coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
They are doing encryptids all months. So you guys hang
out listen to juts Position. That's uh probably one of
the best shows on KLR and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Radio, or at least your favorite because of the stuff
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Yeah, so you you guys listen in, stay tuned. I
am bump stock ken at x at Bumpstock can on.
It's easy to find. That's really all I do other
than Front Forest Friends. It's we had our friends and
family on the night and you guys hang out for
Just Position, and we're about to turn it over to

(01:55:19):
them right now. So Rick take it away, buddy, this
is up to you. We'll have to change feeds for
that anyway. So I'm about have to leave this one
and kick off the other one. So make sure you
should that. Okay, you're swapping thieves for juck. Yeah, we're
gonna have to, Michael, we're gonna sign out. We're gonna

(01:55:40):
hand it over to Just Position. You guys find them.
Go to klorn dot com radio. They have a pallethora shows.
You'll find something you love. Come back next week front Ports. Friends,
it's don't do anything to be the subject of that show.
Good night, guys, Love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Don't wind up on one of Barbie shopping That's all
I'm gonna.

Speaker 9 (01:56:02):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Not wind up on Barbie shopping list. You're right, Oh,
I need to tell you all about the shop we
get at, y'all. I listen to a lot of your
cry I listened to it that night.

Speaker 8 (01:56:19):
I like the girl talk.

Speaker 5 (01:56:22):
It makes me feel.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
I like scary stories in the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:56:27):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
I like my girl talk guys. They make me feel.
Just fight. I listen to a lot of your crime,