Front Porch Forensics_ The One About Pee Wee Gaskins_ The Meanest Man In America

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Hello and welcome to Calurianradio dot com. Friends and family,
Thanks for joining me here in the front ports. Friends,
It's I am bump stot Ken, your host for the evening.
A plague has been falling the Bumpstot compound. The tiny
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illness and our further time being under the weather. I myself,
I'm not doing all that great, but I want to
make sure we had a show for you tonight. So
here we go, and I hope I do this justice tonight.
I'm sitting on the front porch my coffee and my

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cigar and join the wonderful fall mountain weather. I'm so
happy you're here, So pull up a rocking chair and
set a spell with me. Tonight, I'm talking about a
man called pee Wee. And don't let the name fool you.
This is not a side showed dwarf for some weird
guy in a gray shoe, a suit and a red

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bow tide looking for his bicycle at the Alamo. Now
this ain't this ain't the guy that's got a cinematography fetish.
If you remember. Now, despite the name Peewee was labeled with,
he also had another label called the Meanest Man in America.

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And you'll about to find out for good reason. He
Donald Henry Gaskins. Now his story crawls out of the
swamps of South Carolina. It is soating, heartache, hate and blood.

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If the devil himself walked barefoot through the backwoods, he
looked just like pee Wee gascons. And what makes this
one even more twisted is that pee Wee's violence, well,
it doesn't even end when they catch him and lock
him up. He continues his evil ways. And we're not

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just talking about a killer on the back roads either.
We're talking about a man who went to great lengths
to kill most of the people we see. And we're
doing our show, there's a lot of kill for convenience,
and that's still the case here too. But this guy,

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even when he wasn't out hunting normally, he was still
out hunting, if you know what I mean. So hopefully
we'll step back and we'll enjoy this show now to
be completely transparent. The story of pee Wee Askins is

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a midst of court documents, historical records, college papers that
were written about him, some witness statements, Gaskin's own family,
and then pee Wee Gaskins himself. And to be honest,
it's hard to tell what is true and what's not sometimes.
Pee Wee was a well known braggart and a pathological liar.

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So this show is a midst of all the information
that we were able to find that seemed to be
the most reliable. So we're going to start in March thirteenth,
nineteen hundred and thirty three, in Florence County, South Carolina,
Donald Henry Parrott came into the world. It was a
small baby, less than five pounds, and he seemed to

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stay that way up till death. In elementary school, Donald
was given the name pee Wee because of his small size,
and that nickname, well, it became fitting because pee Wee
stayed small, stunted, if you will. He never stretched past
five foot two, though some report say five foot four. Uh.

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He carried that insult like a stone in his gut
all the way into adultthood. It's like the little man syndrome.
I guess him trying to prove that he was more,
that he was something to be trifled with or somebody
not to be trifled with, that he was uh strong
and and you know, somebody but to be feared. So sorry,

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I'm getting I'm getting chats and stuff and people chatting.
By the way, the chat's open if y'all want to Uh,
if y'all want to chat, go right ahead. So I

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skipped it somehow. So like I say, in pee Wee
was born, and he stayed small throughout five foot two
to five foot four, depending on which one you looked
at either way or a grown man. That's that's pretty
small and below the average, I should say. And he

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hated that image that made him look weak. Now again,
this is the nineteen thirties, actually was nineteen thirty three,
and uh, we know that there is the the Great Depression,
the end of the towards the end of the great

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Great Depression, but it was commonly known as the worst
year of the Depression too. People had been suffering for
years and didn't really seem to be getting any better. Uh,
everybody was still struggland and just I mean to say
the least they were struggling. Unemployment in that area was

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over twenty five percent. In the areas that he was in,
these real rural areas, they were hit well pretty hard
as well. The numbers there are kind of hard to
tell because most of the people were self employed, so
the numbers are hard, but national average for South Carolina

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around that time was twenty five percent. So folks did
what they had to do to survive. It's like all
of us have to do. But pee Wee's mother, Uleiah
Miley Parrott, was no different. She traded and sold the
one thing that she had and I'm pretty sure we

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all know what that is, and she sold it well. Apparently.
When Yuliah met Henry Maclauren Gaskins, that's Peewee's biological father,
it was merely a business transaction. Reportedly by family members,

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Gaskin paid Yuliah one dollar a week to have sets
on a regular weekly meetup, usually once a week. Sometimes
twice a week. Well. Eventually Eula became pregnant, so Henry
moved Eula into a small house that was near him

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and began paying her ten dollars a month because he
thought or he knew the baby was his or some
debaby was his. And that's roughly about two hundred and
fifty dollars in today's money. So two hundred and fifty
dollars for stretch over a whole month is not enough.
So Yuliah continued to see other men, and she bounced

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for Manda Man. Pee Wee's childhood wasn't filled lullabies and laughter.
It was filled with pain and confusion and fear and shame.
There was a constant rotation of men in and out
of her life, of Peewee's life, and they was all abusive.

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None of them were good men. They were there for
one thing, and pee Wee got in the way of it.
But Eula was extremely neglective as well. She was no
mother of the year. She did what she had to
do sur by, but in spite of pee Wee, not
for Pewee to say that he was neglected is a
massive understatement. While unattended, which was the norm at less

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than two years old. Some reports say he was fourteen months,
some say eighteen months. It's hard to tell, but around
two years old, little less pee Wee drank a bottle
of kerosene back then bottle the kerosene came in these
like kind of like a milk jug topped glass bottle.

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He drank it all and he suffered horribly and was
tormented for years with crippling convulsions and just pain and
the intestines and horrible headaches because of that. And they
said up to almost four years old he had these
spells on a regular basis. And because of this, it's

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thought that Yuliah lost what little motherly instincts and interest
in pee Wee that she had due to his crying
and his suffering for so many years. As he grew
and as was old enough to pay attention. As it were,
he would be locked outside while mom worked. But those

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were actually to come to find out, those would be
the good moments. Sometimes he would bear witness to her
in action. To say, it's reported in the beginning that
he would try to stop the men and he would
receive kicks and even fists. One report says that the

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man grabbed him by the foot by his foot and
threw him across the room and bounced him off the wall.
So that's the reward he got for his effort trying
to save his mom, and pee Wee received abuse of
all kinds from the revolving door of men that was
in his life due to his mom's work, and some

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reports pee Wee said it, then he recanted, but he
said again that sometimes he would be sold to some
of the men coming in and out. So after ten
years of this, u Leah gets married to a man
named Hinton Hannah. It's not really known what happened to

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the original suitor that was paying her ten dollars a
month or ten dollars a week. He just kind of
fades out of the story. I'm assuming, since he's not
the only John anymore, that he got out of there.
That's what I would assume. Again, I'm not sure, but
it makes sense to me. So one would think that

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it would be a welcome change. You know, Hannah, Mister
Hannah had children of his own, So now pee Wee
were thrown into a whole new family dynamic. But old
Hennett he might've been the worst of all of men
to come around. The physical abuse escalated to a daily happening,
almost out of out of fun really, and the mental

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abuse increased, and the sexual perverse skyrocketed. Because apparently Hennett
and Yula did not seek out privacy for their escapades.
They seem to welcome all the children to sit and watch.
I reckon they had an audience fetish. What is that called?

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Not voyeurism, that's where they watch, but whatever, they had that,
so it's pretty clear where this trauma comes from. That.
I mean, I actually feel sorry for the kid. Can
you imagine how damaged his psyche would be from all that?
It scrambles, impulses. I'm sorry, I got a text or

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one of the chats. Yes, the chat's open, Please go ahead.
I'm trying to watch it, but I'll fail. So I
know we got a few people over watching on Facebook. Hey,
Michelle and Glad you're here exhibitionism. Thank you. The bump
stock Harbie is in the chat right now. She is,
like I said earlier, she's ill, so she's not helping hosts,

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but she is in the chat room. So y'all hop
on there and enjoy that. Uh so we know we
all know all the early markers abuse, neglect, head injuries,
the bed wetting, bed wedding, cruelty, the animals. See we
had all this. Uh, the head injury is actually a

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brain trauma because of the convulsions and due to the
kerosene ingestion. It would it's basically attack eves his brain
and that's where those traumas come from there, So it's
not like necessarily a concussion type event, although he had

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many of those just from the physical abuse, and he
suffered greatly. So there's is a lot of trauma on
top of the trauma the us already in the from
the kerosene. So pee Wee had all of the markers.

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We know that he tortured animals according to according to
friends and families and people of the community, and as
early as kindergarten, he was killing all kinds of small animals, mice, rabbits,
people's cats. I mean, there was nothing that wasn't a

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target for him. It doesn't say necessarily if he progressed
on past that as far as animals go, but one
would assume he probably did. He suffered multiple head traumas
from the beatings and falls from the physical assaults his
mother laid in life reports he went to bed and

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had terrible nightmares and would set things on fire for fun.
So we see the McDonald triad at a very young
age already the bed wedding, the animal cruelties, the fire
fire setting. So it's a textbook at this point building
a monster. Well again, remember this, he's still young as

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all this has happened. That those very uh important years
for development when all this is happening. So when he
when pee Wee gets to age eleven, he quit school,
which that time in that area wasn't that uncommon. And uh,
he had an interest in mechanics, working on cars and things.

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Goes that's a lot of way you know, you fix
you on stuff, right, and uh, it turns out they
had an natural ability to do that. He quickly made
the name for himself in the area as a reliable mechanic,
even at that young age. And we're talking eleven, twelve, thirteen,

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working at this mechanic's shop, and he was actually working
on the cars on his own, that's how well he was,
and people trusted him to do it well. Pretty soon
he was making pretty decent money for the time. He
was actually making more money than Hennett was, and hen

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it wasn't happy about that, so of course he confiscated
any money that would come up to pay for his living,
you know, And of course he beat him, and the
jealousies and stuff of that come away. So pe Wee
decided he needed to come up with money that couldn't
be taken away from him, that couldn't be tracked as easy.

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So Pee Wee falls in with two other boys that
were at the mechanic shop there about his age again,
around thirteen years old, Danny Smith and Henry Marsh. Now
the Smith last name, I'm not sure about. That's what

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Pee Wee called him later in life, when he was
in prison in an interview, he said, yeah, his last
name was Smith, but there's no real record of that,
no official record of that, just what Pee Wee said,
But we're gonna say Danny Smith, Henry Marsh there is
record of so we know his last name. The three

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formed a game calling themselves the Trouble Trio, and what
started off is just knocking over sheds and breaking windows
and some other petty vandalism and kind of moved into
some small bug burglary harassments like that. It quickly escalated

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with Pee Wee as their leader. And then they moved
into burning barns and stealing cars and straight up muggings,
and eventually it gets much much worse. They started raping
other boys and it was they was taking turns like

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it was some sort of sport. And by the age
of again we're talking about thirteen here, pee wee, was
already swimming in a swamp full of violence. The step
too far, because it always gets too far at some point,

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is when the boys. Now, let me back up. They
were raping other boys about their ages, and they was
getting away with it because you know, the other kids,
they didn't want to talk about it, and they threatened
to make it worse or to beat them up or
even kill them if they did talk about it. So
the boys kept quiet. Well, they take it a step

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too far. They finally pushed that end, blow over the edge,
if you will, and they assault Henry Marsh's on sister.
They raper each of them take turns, even Henry the brother,

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and after the trouble trio crossed that line, they immediately
began to dissolve. I don't know if Marsh was having
some conflicting issues or feelings that was beginning to cause
issues but strife was beginning to happen inside the trio. Well,
eventually little sister did not. Little sister did not stay

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quiet unlot the other boys were, and she tells her
parents what happened. We got so she tells her parents
what's happening and about the assault, and well, she spoke

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up and she made herself heard about. Now when the
parents found out, they also took matters into their own hands.
So the boys were taken into a barn. They were
strung up by their wrists and beaten severely, almost to death.

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That was said in interviews by relatives years later than
the trial and during the jail sentences. So after the beatings,
Danny and Hen his his families, they left the area.
They packed up and moved away. I guess from the
shame of it, from like I said, the small town justice,

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because they didn't go to the police. But still that damage,
that trauma. Uh, they just up and left. They left completely,
but now pee Wee, but no other places to go.
They stayed there in the area, continued his reign of
terror on his on, all on his own. And boy,

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I'm telling you, it does escalate quickly with no one
there to keep him in check, he goes off the rails.
He's becoming more bold in his crimes, stealing cars for
the local underground shop shops, doing the smashing grabs at
that grocery stores, all that kind of things. And uh.

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But his crime he like best was burglary breaking an
entering into people's homes. They was quick, they was easy,
there was intimate. He felt that he had some control
and power over the people, uh because he was able
to go through all their things at his at his leisure. Well,
one night he targeted hit too close to home and

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robbed the home of his own cousin. Now the cousin
wasn't much older than him, and she caught him red
handed and held him at bay with a hatchet. But
pee Wee stripes anyways, and she did get a glance
and blow on him, but he was able to take
the hatchet and begin his attack, and he intended to

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kill her. He struck her several times, and finally he
struck her in the head and what she thought was
to killing blow and Peewee dragged her body over to
the side of at the yard and dropped it in
a ditch, leaving her leaving her for dead. Well, she
survives and bore witness against Donald pee Weee Gaskins, and

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that got him sent to industrial school for boys in
South Carolina, like a reform school. We would call it
a juvenile you know, juvenile jail whatever it's called here,
you know what I'm talking about, jail for kids under eighteen. Well,

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for pee Wee, it was no reform school at all.
It was the slaughterhouse. Because of his size, he immediately
became a target for the bigger boys who raved him
and beat him and broke him down daily. Now, the
Boss Boy as he was called, offered pee Wee protection
and it's changed for not least sexual favors, sometimes multiple

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times a day, according to Pewe, and the Boss Boy
took possession of him, even sleeping in the same bed
with him, or pee Wee's sleeping in his bed with him,
I should say so. The Boss Boy owned Peewee at
this point, but the Boss would still long Pewee out

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on a regular basis to the other boys. So even
doing what he had to do to be protected, he
was still just being used again. So pee Wee he
was pretty crafty, so he would scape. He would run
away over and over again, and again. But every single

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time he got drugged back and his complaints fell on
death ears. The people in charge didn't believe him or
just didn't care, and he'll be put right back in
the same place with those same boys. At one point,
he does escape and he finds a girl who is

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like thirteen years old. I think Pee Wee is seventeen
at this point, and he actually marries her while he's
on the outside from this reform school, and he tries
to go straight, but from pressure from her, and she

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finds out that he was in reform school for some
of the things he did. He didn't tell everything, and
she convinces him the only way to go straight to
make this marriage work is for him to go back
to the reform school and finish out his time there
until he turned eighteenth, and then he could come back
out they could be together. Her tro Peewe does that.

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He goes back on his own to the reform school
and turns it deft in and finish out a sentence
till he's eighteenth. Well, the place taught him one lesson.
The only way to survive the pact mentality was to
become meaner than the wolves. So Pee Wee said that

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his time gave him the fuel he needed to become
stronger to control and have power over others. This reform
school took a monster and created a demon. The head
of the school wrote to the state before Peewee's eighteenth
birthday and subsquential his release date that he was quote
the paranoid type and shows quote homicidal tendencies, and he

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encouraged the state to move Peewee into the state penitentiary
as opposed to being released to the street. However, since
there was no official diagnosis on Gaskins made while he
was into the reform school, that the state went ahead
and upheld their agreement and released him onto the street,

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back into the public upon his eighteenth birthday. So by
nineteen fifty three, Peewee was out doing what he knew
to do. Between the times that he was out of
reform school, throughout his life, he was on again off
getting married, and he did have children. I'll mention his

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daughter later, not by name, but I'll mention some quotes
from him later because it's just amazing to me. So
on YouTube you can look up Peter Gaskins, I mean
pee Wee Gaskins and there's a bunch of videos and
interviews and documentaries about him. Check some of these out

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because one of them and I didn't clip it, and
I should have. They interview his daughter pretty heavily. She's
the main interviewer or interviewee, and the way she talks
about Pee Wee, it's like she's proud almost. It's kind
of disturbing a little bit to watch that. I've got

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some of her quotes later on and I'll I'll bring
it up. But man, she she says at one point
that I know that he did all these awful things,
but he's still my daddy, and him being my daddy's
never going to change. So how happy she was that,
you know, she loves him and all this kind of stuff.

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I mean, at some point in Monster's a Monsters, you know,
this is hard for me to wrap my mind around
where she's coming from in these interviews, because I tell you,
it is to me pretty disturbing to watch. Again, Just
go on YouTube search up documentaries on Pee Wee Gaskings.

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You'll find it. It's pretty easy to see. But by
the time nineteen fifty three rolls around, Pee Wee was
out doing what he knew. How to do best. He
was drifting around, breaking into houses again, and one night
he got caught by a girl and I don't have
her name, I couldn't find it. But instead of running

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away like he had been, he was caught. He was cornered.
So he attacked her with a hammer that he had
been using, and he hid her in the skull and
it cracked it open bad. When the doctor's found her,
they said, it's a wonder she'd lived through it. But
she did live, but just barely. Now. That attack put

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pee Wee behind bars in real prison for six years,
his first real stint in an actual prison, a grown
up prison. Well, his crimes are growing, but we know
he wasn't growing. In and prison, small men were prayed

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and pee Wee was brutalized. But he decided he wasn't
going to stay pray for long because he remembered what
happened to him in the days of the reform school
and he wasn't about to go do that again. So
he stabbed and killed the biggest inmate that had been
raping him, and that murder changed his reputation. Suddenly, pee

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Weee wasn't a victim anymore. He was the predator. He
learned that blood brought you respect, and that was the
seed that grew into the man we'll see later. Killing
to survive, killing to dominate, and killing to prove that
he wasn't small, that he was a big man after all.
So when pee Wee got out of jail in nineteen

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sixty one, the murder in that prison he got away
with because nobody saw anything, you know, And so he
does his time and he gets out of prison in
nineteen sixty one, and he claimed that the highway was
calling to that that was something that he couldn't get

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out of his blood. So he said that to feed
the beast that was in him, he would pick up hitchhikers.
It didn't matter to be both boys, girls, young, old,
it did not matter. He preferred the younger ones, just
because he was a sick bastard. But but he said

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to do that. The reason he would do that is
that the pressure in his gut would build until he
just had to kill. And he called it relieving the pressure.
He'd rap, he'd torture, he'd mutilate, he then he'd dumped
the bodies in the swamps of South Carolina. He bragged
about more than eighty killings done in that manner about

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just picking up random hitchhickers, having his way with them,
and then dumping the bodies into swamps. Now, almost none
of these are confirmed. Remember Gaskins is a braggart and
a liar, but none of a lot of these are

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not confirmed Nobodi's no names. However, the stories do match
patterns of missing persons in the Carolinas during the confrace. Now,
he may have inflated the number, but there's little doubt
that some of it was true and that he was
behind many of those killings. But nineteen seventy, pe Weee

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turned meaner. Still, it wasn't just killing strangers on the highway.
He started killing people that he knew, starting with Peggy
Kuttnough just thirteen years old, Martha and Dix poisoned with
arsenic Then he killed by drowning Dreen Dempsey and her

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baby girl, two year old Robin. Now, at the beginning
of the show, we played the warning about that being rough.
Well it's about to get rough. Pee Wee raped both

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mother and child. He is quoted by his own daughter. Again,
this is in that documentary I was watching that said
that This is the quote Daddy said he had to
wreck that baby. He just had to do it, and
that the baby was mixed race and that just didn't
sit well with daddy. You see. Doreen, Yeah, she had

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a relationship with a black man and got pregnant from it,
kept the child, the baby Robin, and uh, you know,
racist old pee Wee. Uh, he just couldn't have that.
So he killed them both and had his way with
the bodies and then he just some tom The barrel

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sites also tells a tell about some of the things
that he was doing, shallow graves on his own property,
where bombs were just tangled like roots, for instance, teams

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unearthed bodies. Pee Wee had dune like trash. Each recovery
confirmed his crimes weren't just ghost stories. Surprisingly Gaskins, he
didn't even I mean, he did very very little to
hide his murders. I mean he would even brag about
all about town that he had get this his own

(35:47):
personal graveyard. He even drove a old hearse car around
and that was his. He drove an old hearst round
that that was his mode of transportation. On the back

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of the hearse he had made a sign, a hand
painting sign that says, I kill people and be broke
bold letters. I mean, he was so blunt about it that,
you know, people they wrote it off as crazy old
pee Wee. I mean, because how many people are just

(36:32):
so open about something like that that says. In nineteen
seventy three, serial killer pee Wee Gaskins bought an old
hearst and told his friends that he needed it to
haul the dead bodies of people that he had killed.
And no one knew he was a kidding because I mean,
any sane person would hear that and think, now, there's

(36:56):
just no way. That's just ridiculous. That's just somebody, you know,
being an idiot. Bump stop Barbie. Here's as many serial
killers in history have talked about the need to kill
being a compulsion, and it builds up and builds up

(37:16):
in their mind and they need to relieve that pressure,
like you said earlier, and yeah, so he definitely did
need that recognition. It goes to his need to feel
like the big man. He thinks fear and respect are
the same things. So that was probably why he bragged
so much and even drove that car around him. He

(37:37):
was telling people what he was doing. And again, the
normal mind can't wrap around that is something true. That's
just some somebody being crazy. Now, no one liked pee
Wee the guy, but a killer who openly admitted to it.

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I mean again, that's just something that no one would do. So,
I mean Gaskin was able to hide in plain sight
by doing this. Now time's marching on. Peewee's getting away
with murder. He's bragging about it, and nothing's happening until
it finally starts. The trap finally starts springing together if

(38:20):
you will, it finally starts catching up to him. And
Gaskins was hired to murder a man named Silas Yates.
Yates ex girlfriend, Diane Neely and her boyfriend Avery Howard

(38:41):
heard of this murder and decided to blackmail Gaskins for
five thousand dollars. They threatened to expose not only the murder,
but gaskins assault on the teen girl as well. Unbelongst
to them, Diana's husband, Walter Neeley, had worked with Gaskins before.

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He was actually working with Gaskins to steal cars and whatnot.
Now you heard that right, Diane Nieley and her boyfriend
Avery Howard and her husband Walter Nilly So there's a
triangle going on there already. I'm assuming they were separated.

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I don't know, but she knew that Walter had a
relationship with pee Wee. They would steal cars together mainly
and sell them to the shop shops, all that kind
of stuff, and he had done several jobs with him.

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Walter had, but this is the first time that he
had pee Wee had asked him to bury a body.
Pee Wee himself actually going to use this to blackmail
Walter to keep him from ever turning on it, because

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this way he was necessary to murder. And the tie
in with Yates to Gaskins through the kneelies, It's just
something that's pretty pretty crazy to me. It's just a
web that was weaving in the dark side, the dark

(40:34):
corners of the darkest rooms, but it was still as
a weaven together that that ultimately catches him. Now, excuse me, Gaskins.
He wasn't going to play any games about being blackmail
so instead of paying the blackmail, uh, Gaskins lures Diana

(40:56):
and Avery out to a meeting spot, told him he
was going to pay him to get him out there,
but instead he heard both of them in enlisted Walter
Neely's help to bury their bodies as well. So Walter,

(41:17):
out of whatever reasoning, uh, he winds up going along
with it. He helps, helps him bury the bodies of
his e's wife and and all that too. Uh that's
wife and new boyfriend, I guess, or not even it's wife,

(41:39):
just that strange wife and new boyfriend. He helps, he helps,
he we bury them also. Now he Walter was not
the leader in any way. He was definitely a follower.

(41:59):
He didn't now the cunning if you will, I don't
want to say smarts, but the cunning. Well. Walter later
gets arrested for an unrelated auto theft scheme. He'd went
out on his own and was doing some sidework and
did he winds up getting arrested, pulled over. Well. During

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this arrest and then questioning, he winds up getting panicked
and under pressure from the police, and he starts revealing
the plans that are the work that he and Pee
Wee were doing stealing cars as well, and it just
kind of snowballs, and he winds up revealing everything that

(42:44):
he knew to the police, including where Gaskins had buried
multiple bodies. So now we got Walter panicked. The police
have him arrested and threatening him with jail time they
find out about pee Wee's murders and Walter's involvement in

(43:09):
burying the bodies, So to save his own neck, Walter
decides he's going to do a plead the bargain with
the police, and he's going to show them everything. He's
going to take them to the bodies where he buried
Yates and how Avery Howard and Diana Neely and also

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reported burial sites mass graves on Peewee's property that Henry
knew about or Walter knew about, and he does. He
takes them and shows them and based on Neely's information,
police discover the remains of eight victims near Gaskin's home
in Prospect, South Carolina. They were all buried and yellow

(44:00):
graves spread about, some of them multiple on top of
each other. Some only was partially in in you know,
partial skeletons in the graves. There was no kind of
protection to him. They were in several different states of

(44:20):
decay and just literally tossed like trash into these holes
and covered up. Now, pee Wee confessed to those murders
and he bragged about many many others. In court, he

(44:42):
wore that same smirk that we come to see him in.
There's this mug shot. You see what I'm talking about again.
He wasn't a very big guy, but he gets arrested,
he gets what's the word. Finally he gets put on

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the stage where he can talk about how big he
is and how important he is. So that's what he does.
He starts in his confessions with the police talking about
all kinds of things, all kinds of murders, all kinds

(45:31):
of people, the amount of killings. You know, he said
that they were multiple ones everywhere. I mean, he said
that they were up to eighty. He said that his

(45:51):
goal was to hit one hundred and according to his daughter,
to numbers one hundred and five. I don't know if
he ever made it or not, or again if it
was this big man or little man syndrome, but either way,

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in court he wore that same smirk. That's a small
man but meaner than hell. And he was sentenced to death.
Now it was Gascon's time to make a deal and
offered to leave police to other graves and it's changed
for life without parole, which he tried to do, and
he did shake them out and show them his burial sites,

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showed them other places where people were buried. He couldn't
remember names, but he did get most of the locations right.
And it really just delayed inevitable because even with all
the information he was given them, the courts did not

(46:57):
give him life without parole. They kept the death penalty.
But unfortunately, or I guess you could say fortunately in
his case. Uh, South Carolina later on changed their stance

(47:19):
on the death penalty, and he went back. He went.
He wound up getting life without parle anyways, So much
of the chagrin of the law enforcement, the deal that
he wanted he winds up getting anyways. So needless to say, though,

(47:39):
prison didn't tame him at all. If anything, it gave
him a playground to practice his skill set. Mhmm. Hee
we So his reputation this time round was much better

(48:01):
because he built off what he he had done in
his previous prison stent about being a predator instead of prey.
This time he got a little bit of a weight
to him, no pun intended. But pee wee went to
work there. He he smuggled, UH, he hustled, He made threats, uh,
he made deals, and he was running his corner of

(48:26):
the prison pretty effectively. He was living a pretty decent
life in prison this time round, especially compared to what
he was dealing with earlier. Yeah, the rates weren't happening,
the beatings weren't bad. He had some muscle that worked
with him because of his reputation of being a stone

(48:48):
cold killer. And I keep saying little man syndrome because
I think that's thesest way to explain it. Because he
had a short fuse A few was shorter than he was,
and when he spoke about it, he didn't just warn you,
he didn't just threaten you. He went through with what

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he said he was going to do. So that reputation
actually gained him a lot of notoriety and some protection
through fear in prison. Now, at one point he one

(49:30):
of the things he was known to do is would
smuggle weapons into the prison and give them out to
people so that they could do some murders and clean
house if you will do the dirty work for it.
And so there's no telling how many murders he was

(49:50):
able to do in prison just through that, you know,
facilitating the means to that end by supplying the weapons
or the tools needed to get the job done. So
he had that reputation as well, that he wasn't alone

(50:13):
in prison, that he had others that was following him
that would do the work for him too. Again, just
building on his reputation and making him bolder and more
willing to do whatever he wanted to do, because up

(50:34):
to this point no one was stopping him. He was
able to, you know, assert his will on anyone and
everyone at any time. He had guards that were paid off,
he had people in the cafeterias that would take care

(50:55):
of him the things he couldn't do. He wound up
manipulating people enough that he could control them in other
ways and to make yourself better in other ways. And
by all rights, he was still doing good. Now. It

(51:15):
wasn't an easy road, but he still had to work.
He still had to prove himself on a regular basis
while in prison. And one of these things is what
may be one of the most in on inspiring murders,
I guess, in a prison setting. Now you see all

(51:37):
these movies about these fantastical ways of building death, and
most of them are over the top crazy, and you're like, yeah,
that's Hollywood, of course, nothing like that would ever happened.
But I'm telling you be we real life to be

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a movie, and what he does here in prison, I
think if they haven't made a movie about him yet,
they should. So Rudolph Tyner Conner was killed. Conner had

(52:23):
killed an elderly couple and that's what he was in
prison for for two life sentences. So pee Wee was
hired from an outside contract to silence him. So pee
Wee befriended him and gained his trust. What's amazing is

(52:45):
that they had access to telephones. Of course they did.
They prisoners do now, they did back then too. They're
all recorded. They're supposed to be monitored, but he was,
and it's recorded. It's in some of those videos I watched.
It's he had open conversations with his contact, the person

(53:07):
that had hired him to kill Tanner, just openly talking
about how he was going to do it and how
it was progressing, if he was having trouble, or what
a success rate was. And this contact through the paid
off guards would get him the tools he needed to

(53:28):
get the job done. Like I said, And it started
off with poisoning. Gaskin had tried to poison Tyner first
and then multiple times afterwards, but never could quite get
it right. Tyler would only Tyner would only fall ill.

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He would complain of headaches. He would go to the
nurses stationed infirmary whatever it's called, and actually get a
little vacation from it, you know, laid up in hospital bed.
He wasn't suffering the way the way pee Wee thought
he should, so he would up the dose and calls uh,
you know, the vomiting stuff like that, so the poisons

(54:14):
wouldn't state in the systems long enough to really to
really get it, you know, to get the job done.
But he was growing frustrated with that because he couldn't
do it often. He had to do it strategically or
else Tyner might catch on. And it was taken forever,
and he was getting pressured from the outside of contacts.

(54:34):
So eventually pee Wee came up with a new plan.
He uh contacts his person on the outside, tells him,
I've got an idea, but to make it work, I
don't need something from you. And there's a there's a
radio or a audio recording that I have it somewhere

(54:59):
if I can't find it now where he was talking
on the phone with the contact saying, quote, how much
of a stick of dynamite can you get me in here?
And the guy's like, well, I don't know how I
would get it in. How we could smuggle that in?

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How about some C four putty that would be easier
to get in. I can give you that and the
cap and the CAP's what that makes? So Wee pee
Wee says that'll work. Sea four be even better. Let's
do that. So pee Wee acquired a set of two

(55:44):
way radios, a little handheld radios like a walkie talkie,
kind of a little bit smaller. Again, through the guard
he got them and his plan was to talk to
his buddy Tyner after hours. Right, So with his over

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the course of time, with his contacts inside the prison,
he was able to have his cell moved, or he
should I should say. He moved into a cell that
was right next door to Tyner's. They had no window, nothing,
but they shared a wall side by side, and he

(56:27):
gave Tyner the radio rigged with the Sea four. Now
Pee Wee had taken this radio apart, put Sea four
into earpiece, wired up the cap to it, and had
it wired up trigger wise. So when uh Tyner hit

(56:47):
the button, the talk through the battery. The power of
the battery was set, that cap off, that's that work.
But he convinced Tyner to hold it up to his
ear so that they could talk secretly to each other
after lights out and then boom, Tyner's Head's gone, blows

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it clean. I mean, it's bad, zero chance of survival.
I mean, he is graveyard dead, no doubt, immediate, He's dead.
The murder for hire made pee Week infamous all over again,

(57:31):
because they were no way that he could hide this one.
He's the only one that had the radios. He's the
one that gave Tyner the radio. Everything set in motion
was pretty pretty convincingly him. He couldn't pass it on
to anybody else. But I mean, think about that. Though.

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The man was so mean that he built a bomb
on Death Road. He turned his prison into his killing grounds.
It started off on the highways and ended up going
to prison, and it still didn't stop. He just found
different ways to kill now. Peewee was charged and convicted

(58:19):
of murder in a very very short trial, so Gaskins
last sentence that was given way originally was death and
then it was dropped down to life without parole because
the state had a kind of a soft hearted governor

(58:43):
at the time. They changed things. Well, that didn't last long.
The death penalty got put back on the table as
as an option for the state. But Gaskins had already
had his move to from down to life without prow
and it just seemed mean to put it back to

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death penalty after it got reduced. So, unfortunately for him,
his life sentence now was drastically shortened because he received
the death penalty, which again was back on the table

(59:26):
because of this death, this killing of Tyner. So this guy,
he's had multiple opportunities. He would kill people openly and easily,
bragged about it when he was out in the wild,

(59:49):
out in the real world, and people wouldn't believe him.
But obviously he did kill many, many it's hard to
tell how many exactly. And then he gets put in
prison and he doesn't kill people with his own hands.
He has the other people do it for him by

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by giving them the tools to do so, shives, knives,
all these razor blades, all these kind of things. And
then that's still not enough. He goes above and beyond
by adding a bomb into the mix. I mean, that's

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not something normal. I don't think we've done the show
yet where somebody was murdered by a bomb. Maybe it
was him in a way, still trying to overcompensate for
his size, go bigger and bolder, you know, something on

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those lines perhaps, But I tell you he really really
worked to earn his nickname. On September sixth, nineteen hundred
and ninety one, pee Wee Gaskins walked into the electric chair,
no tears, no remorse. He claimed over one hundred souls. Again.

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You see, his numbers kept climbing, and his daughter claims
that the number is one hundred and five. I know
Pee Wee had said that his goal was one hundred.
He bragged that he had made it to eighty. But
the inconsistencies in his stories were so one side. I mean,

(01:01:39):
I'm so back and forth right, I mean, like like
a waves on his storytelling. But he couldn't he couldn't
believe anything that he said. Again, just trying to overcompensate,
trying to make himself in his mind, bigger and badder
by upping the numbers. He wanted to be not as

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the most prolific serial killer ever, and he thought that
power and respect came from that fear, and because that's
all he knew ever since he was a child. That's
all he knew from the early childhood that damaged upon

(01:02:23):
his psyche all the way up through reformed school, which
should have been a way for him to reset and
maybe get his mind right, but it just got darker
again everywhere he went. It just reinforced that twisted sense
of how to survive. And I want to sound like

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I'm taking up for the guy too much because he
was a monster, But there's still a part of me
that hate his story about about how he grew up,
how and how he became what he became nature versus nurture.

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We know that they were some physical damages from the
kerosene and from the multiple beatings, which could have tweaked something,
could have set something off. But the you know, the
the nurture part, I don't think the kid had a

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chance everything that he was running into every turn he went,
even the people that were supposed to help him in
reform school, they just ignored him and made it worse.
So his daughter again claims the numbers one hundred and five,

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though the ground only gave up a handful of folks,
and he earned a nick name the meanest man in
America because of it, and for once, the newspapers weren't lying.
And here's the truth of it. He was a product
of severe mental abuse, physical and emotional neglect. He suffered

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energy injuries to his brain at one year old to
two year old. Plenty of people suffered those things without
becoming monsters. Pee Wee's I don't know. Maybe he chose cruelty.
Maybe maybe he chose domination and control and power because

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it's the only way he saw to survive. Again, Great
Depression era people did things, horrible things just to get by,
to to survive, and that was the mindset that he
was born into. Lord's rights. Has hurt people, hurt people,

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and that's the truth. Rarely do we see it to
this level, thankfully, but it still drings true. He Wee
chose that cruelty, and he chose that domination, and he
chose that meanness because that's all he ever got given
to him. In the end. He's as small in body,

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but his evil stretch far enough to stain the entire state.
He was a giant in some manners when it comes
to being mean. You know, to see his size is

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the meaner Again. He's not big at all, very unassuming man,
and you can tell he spent his entire life trying
to make up for that, trying to make sure that
people knew he was he was a big man, that

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he was somebody to be feared and respected in his
twisted verse of fear of respect. So, I mean, what
do we have here? Is it a boy born small
and made mean, who grew into a killer so feared
he carved his legend in blood. Pee Wee Gaskin's the

(01:06:46):
meanest man in America. It makes you wonder how much
of evil is born and how much is made either way.
Once it's loose, it don't go back into the bottle
like that. You can't. You can't bring it back when
it gets to the levels he was getting that when
you take that step, I guess it's the you get

(01:07:13):
a get a stone rolling down hill. You can't stop it,
you know. And every little step he took that elevated
his position, that made him feel more, that made him
feel like he had some sort of power, that he
wasn't this weakling, that he wasn't someone to laugh at,

(01:07:37):
that he was somebody who was a waste of skin
and the way he felt about his self, the way
he was made to feel about his self. He began
to reveling that he grew in stature, if you will it.

(01:07:58):
Maybe not physically, but that was his only way to
rise the buck. Uh, the Napoleon complex. You've heard all
this before. I guess it's something that it's hard for

(01:08:20):
me to to say this without sounding like I'm making,
you know, taking up for him. I can see that
brokenness that he was born into, that he was on

(01:08:43):
his own from the very beginning. Really he had to
pick himself up and move forward. And the only examples
he had and before him for her, the worst of
the worst, to say, the very very least, the worst

(01:09:03):
of the worst. His mine set on what love is.
His mindset of how to treat family, how to treat
other people. When you wanted something, you took it, no
matter what it was or who it was from. And

(01:09:25):
no one was there to tell him any different. That's
hinted and his mom they don't even I don't think
they knew he existed beyond somebody who was an annoyance
or somebody that could use. And it grew into what

(01:09:47):
we have with Donald Pee weee guess. But again, I
don't want to make this too much much about him
without and making it sound like I feel bad for him,
which I do. But the things he did are still unexcusable.

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You can't you can't sanctify a monster like that, and
I'm right on the edge of doing so, I know that.
But cruel, monstrous, devilish, inexcusable, rotting hell level meanness. When

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he when he got the name meanest man in America,
it was accurate. Yeah, he deserves no kind of lifting up.
He deserves everything he gets in the end. And that's it.
I mean, I'm not afraid to say that. I know

(01:10:56):
it sounds horrible and that you always want to, you know,
feel bad or at least try to, h I guess
in a way, trying to wrap your mind around what
they was doing, to just understand it a little bit

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in our own heads of how someone could get to
that level, how someone could do the things he was
doing and be so bold and so proud of it.
And we see this a lot of times and other
killers too. We've all we've all talked about it on

(01:11:43):
other shows, and the bottom line is, as long as
our minds are mostly right. I don't think we ever
will be able to figure it out, uh, never be
able to understand it. So I'm gonna stop trying with

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pee Wee because I don't want to make him someone
that we can feel bad for and to humanize anymore.
Because these evil creatures, they don't they don't deserve to

(01:12:28):
be humanized. Now, the ones who do are the victims
in front Forwards friends. It's always likes to uh focus
on that. That's what we want you to remember. Now.
All of pee Wee's victims weren't ah innocence. Some of

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them been in prison, you know, they weren't the h
innocent bystander that you normally see that's backed up, victimized
and killed. But still they were still people that he
took out, people that he destroyed, that he ended. And

(01:13:17):
uhh yeah, the Lord is saying it's okay to sympathize
with them, people who's been abused. They're just not justifying
anything he did later. And I'm not. I'm not trying
to justify anything. It's it's just I just again, I

(01:13:45):
just the whole situation about him uh becoming who became,
It's just that kills me. It Uh, it's hard to
talk about, and I don't want to make lot of

(01:14:08):
anything he did. I don't want to justify anything he did.
Definitely don't want make a hero out of him. But
it's just just sucks now. That absolutely blows on all counts.
Kid never had a shot, But there's a lot of
people out there who don't have a shot growing up,

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and they don't turn into this Donald pee Wee Gaskins.

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He was put to death in nineteen hundred ninety one.
The world's a better place of it. So I know
I'm in and a ramble here. Normally we do a
two hour show, but without somebody here with me to
bounce ideas off of, it's kind of hard to do.

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So I'm going to move on into the memorial for
the victims, to remember the victims and to remind ourselves
that the darkness doesn't always look big and scary. Sometimes
it's hides and someone small, someone overlooked, someone like pee
Wee Gascons. Again small in stature, but a monster sized,

(01:15:39):
evil street, something that I hope never to be seen
again again. His goal was one hundred. His daughter says
there was one hundred and five. He claimed at least
eighty hitchhikers alone, plus the other fifteen victims that we

(01:15:59):
know about, and so that's ninety five from his accounts.
Either way, the fifteen that we have or fifteen or
so that we have that are contributed to him that
are known to be his kills are just as bad

(01:16:26):
as one to one hundred. Either way, death is a death,
A victim is a victim. So I want to move
on to the memorial. It's not a super long one,
but again, like I said, it's still too long if
you ask me, and I'll go ahead, and to start

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reading those names out now. He got, first off, Janice Kirby,
fifteen years old, Gaskin's own niece, to whom he beat

(01:17:14):
to death in November of nineteen seventy. He got Patrick
Ann Aulsburg seventeen, which is Kirby's friend who he also
beat to death in November of nineteen seventy. Martha Ann
Clyde Dix, twenty years old, allegedly killed with poison and

(01:17:36):
mark to nineteen seventy one or seventy two. Gaskins gave
conflicted reasons, and her remains was recently discovered for the
proper burial as a matter of fact, they were found
June of this past year. Doreen Hope Densey twenty two
years old, an acquaintance who lived nearby who Gaskins drowned

(01:17:59):
in June nineteen seventy three. Robin Michelle Dempsey, two years old.
Green's young daughter, whom Gaskins also drowned at the same
time as the mother. We also know what he did too.
Johnny Seller's thirty six, a criminal associate Gaskins shot in

(01:18:20):
the back of the head in June nineteen seventy four
to keep him quiet and keep him from becoming an informant.
Jesse Ruth Judy twenty two, who was Johnny Seller's girlfriend,
stabbed by Gaskins during the same incident. Silas Barnwell Yates
forty five, a man Gaskins killed for hire in February

(01:18:44):
of nineteen seventy five by slitting his throat. Diana Bellamy Neely,
twenty five, killed by Gaskins on April tenth, nineteen seventy
five because he threatened to blackmail him and disposed his
and exposed his sexual abuses of teens. Avery Leroy, I'm sorry,

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Avery Leroy Howard, thirty four years old, Dianne Bellamy, Neely's boyfriend,
whom Gaskins also shot, along with Diane Kim Gelkin, thirteen
years old, stabbed and shot to death by Gaskins in
nineteen seventy seventy five to prevent her from reporting his

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sexual abuse. Denise Bellamy twenty seven, Diana Bellamy's half brother.
I'm sorry Dennis Bellamy twenty seven, Diana Bellamy's half brother,
shot by Gaskins in October nineteen seventy five to prevent
him from talking to the police as well. John Henry

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k Not fifteen years old, Dennis Bellamy's half brother, also
shot to death by Gaskins October nineteen seventy five at
the same incident. And in Rudolph Tyner twenty three, a
fellow Death Row inmate killed via explosive device by Gaskins
in nineteen eighty two, and a murder for higher plot.

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And that's probably the one that is the most shocking
of all. But each one of these deaths, whether they
are a quote unquote innocent or someone who danced in
the dark as well, still a life taken, is still

(01:20:37):
a life that wasn't Pee Wee's business to take. And
these souls are gone. Whether we want to call them
good people or bad, that don't matter. Their soul is
taking off this earth and sent to the Lord to

(01:21:00):
deal with And again pee wee had no business doing that,
and may he rotten hell for it. So again, a
little bit early show this week ending it kind of early.
Normally we go till nine, but I don't want to
sit here and what's the word, ramble too much because

(01:21:27):
I don't want to look too much more like an
idiot than I already am. I do not think there's
a juxtaposition on tonight. I send a message out just
to be sure, because I don't want to cut off
early if there is, I don't want to screw those
guys over. So I mean, I can continue to talk
if I need to, but I would prefer not to.

(01:21:49):
So anyways, that does it for this episode as a whole.
I want to emphasize that the victim known and unknown,
whether they be these fifteen or they be one hundred
and five, they should be remembered. I mean, that's the

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way you hear at front Port's friends. That's want to
leave off. Every episode is focused on the innocent, and
in some cases here not so innocent victims. But like
I said, still victims are the same. They are victims
of this piece of shit pee wee guests. And like

(01:22:37):
I said Dawn in nineteen ninety one, the world's better
place for it. Horrible story, unfair childhood, unfair life. Doesn't
justify anything that he's done. These people, Rudolph Chyner, who
was already in prison, his associates, who threatened a blackmailing,

(01:22:58):
his associates, who were against the law, who were who
were doing illegal things, who doing the various things already
those victims. Still they doesn't desire to be taken out
like this. It's not his place to do what he did,
and uh he should not be applauded for anything like that.

(01:23:21):
And if we can get Donald pee wee gaskins name forgotten,
and we go back to the only pee wee we
know of, being the one who uh you know, got
caught having a little too much fun in the movie
theater that we're dude with the acid trip of a house. Yeah,

(01:23:47):
I'm fine with that. Let's make pee Wee Herman the
only pee wee we know about. See Wee Gaskins can
fall into uh history's trash bucket and float off into
the swamps like you. So those other bodies, I'm fine
with that, So no juxtaposition tonight. That's their week off.

(01:24:09):
They'll come back next week. So I'm go ahead and
sign off now. And like I said, that does it
for this episode. So thank you for sitting with me
through this. I hope I did. Okay, we'll find out.
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don't do anything gets self caught, and if you do,
be smart about it. All right, A lot of your
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listen too much jew from him