Chock-Full Of F@gg*+y Goodness

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle,
the podcast a weekly visit to our home. I said weekly, Well,
it kind of has been where we squeeze a few
headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see what happens.

(00:36):
This episode is brought to you by Decanted jug Wine,
the start of Pride Month and a week chock full
of divas.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Circle Table. Hi baby, Happy fucking Pride, Ah, Happy Pride,
Hey Pride twenty twenty five. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Are you feeling proud?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I as proud as I ever do? Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I feel just chock full of faggoty goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Aunt, I'm not going to go there. Shout out Happy
birthday to comedian Julia Scotti, a friend of the podcast,
and Natalie Hope McDonald, who is having a landmark birthday today.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Those are two first fierce and fabulous women there.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I know. I said it was a a chock full
of divas. Happy birthday. There are two of those, so
many more?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah? Yeah, Today is Pride in Asbury Park and oh
on and stop the start of World Pride in DC
yesterday last night.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think here Pride their pride ever were Pride Pride?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, so we we were in Aspberry Park on Friday.
There we were at Garden State Equalities Equality Ball. Yes, Lord, that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Was a to do. It was that to do and
we two did did.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I mean, among many highlights. And it was a
lovely event, it really was. And it's a who's who
of who's who in New Jersey. Yeah, Dominque Jackson was there, Yes,
and I got to meet her and we we shared
a moment. Yeah. She was lovely, so lovely, so incredibly
just genuine and awesome. And yeah, we had we had

(02:50):
a moment. She called me elegant, she did, I'll take
it right away. I know it's like hello, but just yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And I got to hug once you introduced me as
your husband.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
You did, and she said, I usually don't hug husbands.
I get it. I look like her. I probably wouldn't either.
She's gorgeous. She is gorgeous. Get your hands off, my man. Yeah.
You know there's this people you meet and you just
kind of feel their spirit in the first five seconds.
That was that, you know, it's wonderful to meet her,

(03:26):
and she was a terrific MC.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah she was. Yeah, Dominique Jackson in real life is
not like Electra from Pose.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Unless right, unless you're talking.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Wow, people are on stage trying to talk and be heard.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, in which case, yeah, she she pulled out a
little bit of Electra, which I loved. Yeah. I was like,
you better read.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh, you want to have these little conversations instead of
paying attention to the reason why you're supposed to be here,
when this is what you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Phone and make a donation, Text.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
To pledge, I want your money, and you pointed people,
I want your money, and I want your money and
you look good. I want your money.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yes, she really did. It was fun. It was fun.
Everyone who's a Democrat running for governor I believe was there,
not all of them, many.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, we had a nice moment, a little showcase moment
from the New York and New Jersey ballroom scene.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
In the House of Extravaganza was in the House Alice
of Versace.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
She was in the house.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It was cute, it was I enjoyed it. It was Yeah,
some great performances.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I mean, God love them. It's a it's an expensive
for a wonderful cause, of course. Yeah, and we were
very fortunate to be invited, Yes, and it was just awesome.
Had a good time.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It was a lovely evening.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Man, it felt it felt, it felt centering because this
is this is going to be my busiest pride month
I think to date. Yeah, Thursday, the fifth of June
is the Heading Township Pride Parade and we I hope,
but I will definitely be there, marching and all we're

(05:25):
all over the state.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm would be there that night. Well,
it's I'll be the next night.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
The next night is community night when we will be tabling.
If things go as they have, we'll probably be next
to be flag so you know you can table between
the two. Yeah, which is it's a big one and
it's so well attended. So the fifth and the sixth
is Heading Township and then the seventh is Collingswood has

(05:51):
a little pride thing going in the afternoon, late afternoon
four four to seven, I think, And we'll be in
North Jersey and Maple would on Sunday for North Jersey
Pride because we are expanding. We'll talk about some of
the ridiculousness of the Doge cut Slater, but you know,
one of them has profoundly affected addiction and mental health treatment,

(06:14):
and New Jersey was not immune to that. As we
understand it. A couple of programs similar to ours closed
their doors in Central and North Jersey. So we are
expanding just to let folks know we exist and we
offer telehealth services. So we'll be out in Atlantic County,
I believe on the twenty first. We'll be in North
Jersey again on Sunday the eighth, and so we're expanding.

(06:39):
And I think I mentioned I wrote a piece for
The Jersey Gaze, right, the magazine printed and distributed for
Aspberry Park Pride, which is today. So I've got some
folks up there and I said, please find a copy.
I want to see it. Yeah. So that was in
lieu of tables. So anybody who says, you know, Pride

(07:01):
is dead. They had a waiting list of about one
hundred vendors. So you know, there was no way at
the late date that we contacted them to get a table,
but you know, they graciously gave me the opportunity to write.
So I did. Yeah, it's just going to be a
busy month. I'm speaking at Pittman Pride on the fourteenth,
so that I'm excited about that because that's you know,

(07:23):
that's hometown right there. Yeah, yeah, full full circle, that's
my full That's another full circle moment, man. Yeah, I
love it. I'm excited. And Woodbury, New Jersey is having
their very first Pride on the twenty ninth. Our friend
Joe Miller is helping to organize that and I believe
the MC, so there's probably a chance my big mouth

(07:45):
will be there as well. So so much pride, so
much pride. Yeah, by July Firs, if I never see
another rainbow exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
We started our Pride month by raising a new, brand
new Pride flag.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
We did it was tattered, our Progress Pride flag, which
is up year round, was tattered.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And it was cute as a little metaphor of the
current state of things for a while, but then just
started to look a little I deserve a brand new flag,
right And then I noticed that the American flag, the
flags above it, is a little tattered. But that seems
an apt metaphor. Yeah, that's still as we march intip Yeah,
still working as a metaphor.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Can't know ship. We got a lot of that today.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Need to be happy it's flying right side up. M M.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
No kidding, that's the distress correct symbol r. Yeah. Good
thing you didn't mention that while I was working the pole,
because I think I might have turned it upside.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, I was working.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love the pole, the flag pole. Yeah, what you meant,
that is what I mean. I know that's what you meant.
What are we talking about this morning? We were talking
about silly women, and I forget what you said. I

(09:13):
forget why I sat up. I said there are women
who don't get off the pole until they fall off it.
I meant that.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Ship almost fell out of bed well and our bids
higher now so it is. It would have hurt.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's more of a drop. Yeah, I forget, just sicidiously.
I think it's what we were discussing. Sicidiously. Wow, it's
a new word. Cissisitiot? Yeah, that's a new word. And

(09:55):
delicate man and all that. Once again. M hm. As
we enter Pride month.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, here's to uh straight insist people being as uncomfortable
as possible for the next thirty days.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, I mean, not all of them, but yeah, I
mean because clearly, well the ones that would be but yeah,
if you're going to be comfortable, may you be seriously uncomfortable?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
All month? Yeah, and I love the people that are
like Happy Veterans Month? Is that the thing? It's like,
you do know, some of the veterans you are allegedly
celebrating are being demeaned and diminished. Surely you mean them
as well, right? Or the ones who would be celebrating

(10:48):
pride are not the ones you mean? I try to
keep up.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I believe I said to you that what you're suggesting
involves critical thinking and a knowledge of intersectionality. So you
you lost a lot of them immediately, I know, because yeah,
they're not much for the thing that's smart.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's exhausting. I am getting tired. I should not be
this tired on June first, Right, tired equals surly.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I believe I said the Venn diagram of those
people saying Happy Veterans Month and people who would say
all lives matter is a perfect circle.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, pretty much, just the one. Yeah. Do you know
what the really super fun part of this all is
what National Military Appreciation Month is? In fucking May? These maga.

(11:51):
Patriots don't even know how to read a goddamn calendar.
And this shows you how much they actually give a
shit about any veteran, right, but yeah, let's whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's almost like veterans are completely beside the point and
they're really just trying to like.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Be smart asses. Yeah, oh, come on, that's smart. Well,
you know, let me know when that starts. Yeah, it
was in May. So what were they What were they
screaming about in May? I don't know, trans women celebrating
Mother's Day probably m yeah, dear god, they're fragile.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
What else? What else is happening?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I've been reading this book, The Queen Bees of Tybee
County by Kyle Casey Chew. Yes, because I'm going to
be interviewing the author for this show next week. Yes,
so I'm excited about that. I'm almost on the book.
It's so good. It's like every time I open it,
eye inhale fifty pages.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Right, So that maybe next week's episode, just because I'll
be priding free fucking yeah of next week, well of
next weekend, but we'll say. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Kyle Casey Cheu is one of the original founders of
the idea of Drag Queen story Time, and this book
is geared towards middle grade readers, and it's a fabulous read.
Like I'm enjoying it and I am far.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
From a middle grade reader. It's what we call a
chapter book. Yeah, remember when you graduated to chapter books.
I like it without pictures. Oh is that what a
chapter book is? Basically chapters. It has chapters and no pictures.
Chapter books, that's what we call them. Okay, I'm trying
to remember a sixth grade maybe maybe probably before, but

(13:48):
like sixth grade was the first grade. And I'll tell
you what we read. We read The Outsiders. Oh mm hmmm.
It's probably my first assigned bit of literature. And that
was in the sixth grade. Miss Ealy was my teacher
in the sixth grade. And uh I loved it. Oh

(14:11):
my god, I love that book. I thought it was
homo erotic as fuck too.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That sounds right.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I loved that book.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah. We didn't read any books of note really that
I can remember in grade school. I remember the Fantastic
Mister Fox. In sixth grade. You went to Catholic school,
I did. I did, And we read Sounder. Those are
the two books I remember anything else good I read.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I read on my damn own Moham because Catholic school.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, we read cool stuff in high school. But yeah,
still the stuff that was in my bag was always.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
More interesting anyway. Likewise, Yeah, anymore, what else we got?
People died this, this, this, in between last time and
this time.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, we lost some notable folks. George Went died Norm, Yeah, Orm.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I saw that he was seventy six. Yes, yes, he
was Jason Sidegus's uncle. I did not know that he
earned Emmy nominations six years running after getting started on
Second City in his hometown of Chicago. George Went, who
bellied up to the bar to portray the beer quaffing

(15:31):
every man. Norm Peterson, for all eleven seasons of Cheers,
has died. He was seventy six, natural causes in his
sleep at home in Los Angeles, according to his family.
And yeah, I never really watched Cheers. I did.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, I was more of a Fraser kind of person.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, Fraser came out of Cheers. I know it was
a spinoff.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I preferred Fraser to Cheers personally. But okay, the one
role that really sticks out to me that George Went
played was when he was the neighbor in the movie house.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I enjoyed him in that It's a horror movie.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You wouldn't have seen it.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Actually was a horramedy. I'm not exactly sure that's a word,
but it is.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Now do you remember, well this was when he was
in Saturday Night Live as one of the super fans.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh yeah, du bears doubles George went. Yeah, I think
that too.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
And also in movies. Yeah, house was one of them
in eighty five, Fletch Gung Ho Planes, Clothes never said
Die Guilty by Suspicion. Oh, that's right. He was in
Spice World Forever.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I've seen two of those.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
And he was in a Michael Jackson video as well.
How about that?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh right, he played Macaulay Culkin's dad in the opening.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yep, turn that down.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's too late and it's too loud. Yeah, I remember that.
Now I've forgotten all about that, so just now.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, cheers around from eighty two to ninety three, and
Ted Danson and Rhea Pearlman were the only other actors
never to miss an episode. He was on every installment.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, because Woody Harrelson wasn't there from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay, he was not in every episode. Oh okay, the
same as you know. The mailman was his name?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh you know what I mean him?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, not every episode. Neither was Shelley Long, right or not.
Shelley Long, Christy Ally Well, Christy Allie was not because
she came later. It is Shelley Long. Yeah, yeah, it
was not in every episode. She was Diane Chambers. She
was in the early episodes. And neither was Fraser Craine
in every episode, right, yeah, but Ted Danson, Ria Perlman

(18:02):
and George went every single.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Every time I think of Shelley Long, I think of
the episode of Golden Girls when they had the Caribbean
housekeeper who they thought was doing voodoo, and Sophia was like,
I'm no stranger to cast in the spell. You think

(18:26):
Shelley Long left cheers on her own.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Nope, that was me.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
And then the housekeeper said, thank you for taking care
of that Shelley Long. I was sick of that up
at a.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
White woman too.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Wow, that's my Shelley Long story, except.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love Troop Beverly Hills sidebar anyway, Oh interesting, So
what they were drinking? He said, the toughest part of
his job was drinking the beer, which was a warm, flat,
non alcoholic concoction I aired with a pinch of salt
in every mug to create a TV head. Ugh yeah,

(19:08):
and he was. Yeah. I was afraid of keeling over
from high blood pressure. That's gross. Then I got the neck.
I didn't have to put all those bruise away. It
only mattered when the camera was pointing my way right.
It took a couple of years, but now I watched
the camera. That's how I make my money. That's acting.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
All you gotta do. Just put it up to your
lips and hold it there for a little bit and
then put it back down. There you go, and then
you have a little foam mustache.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
You wipe it off. It looks like you drink a beer.
There you go. Okay, so yeah, rest in peace. George
went mm hmm. Loretta Sweat died. You you are not familiar.
I did not Mash fancy. I loved mash. Loretta Sweat
played hot Lips, Pool of Hand one mash. She was

(19:57):
a nurse famously in Hangled with Frank Burns. Also died
of natural causes well. She was eighty seven Emmy nominated
for Outstanding Performance by Supporting Actress in a Comedy every
year from nineteen seventy four to nineteen eighty three, work
winning the Emmy in eighty and eighty two. Okay, Alan

(20:19):
Alda remembered her on Twitter, writing Loretta was a supremely
talented actor. She deserved all ten Emmy nominations and her
two wins. But more than acting her part, she created it.
She worked hard in showing the writing staff how they
could turn the character from a one joke sexist stereotype

(20:39):
into a real person with real feelings and ambitions. We
celebrated the day the script came out, listing her character
not as hot Lips, but as Margaret. Loretta made the
most of her time here. Uh yeah, Margaret Holhant. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I never watched mash because I was a little black child.
My only real knowledge of the show is that when
I hear the closing credits theme song, I knew I
was it was time for me to go to bed.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Actually, actually, if I heard it, it meant I was up
too late and I should have been in bed a
while ago.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Her final television appearance was in nineteen ninety eight in
an episode of Diagnosis Murderer. So there you go. She
was from Jersey, the sack New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay, is that North Jersey that isp I'll up there,
I'll be knowing.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Loretta Sweat. Rest in peace, Rest and peace, Miguel O'Hara.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, Peter David died.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Peter David was only sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, at sixty eight. Was the co creator of Spider
Man twenty ninety nine, whose protagonist is Miguel O'Hara. And yeah,
that was a very cool, like a cool version of
Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
He plays a big role in the across the Spider
verse marl oh. Yeah, he wrote for Aquaman. He wrote Aquaman,
the Atlantis Chronicles, Supergirl. He also wrote Captain Marvel. He
did novelizations of the Star Trek, wrote episodes of Babylon

(22:27):
five like so many Nerds, Oh, hours and hours of
their life in front of the television, to.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That Man and the Incredible Haulk huh. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
He wrote the comic adaptation of Stephen King's The Dark
Tower The Gunslinger Born.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, prolific, prolific, prolific.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well damn yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So rest in peace, Peter David.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, sixty is young and getting younger every day, right, finally.
Rihanna's father, Ronald Fenti, Yeah, seventy. He had a brief
illness and I did not know. Rihanna was raised in Barbados,
Oh yeah, until she was sixteen. They occupied a bungalow
on a street that has since been named Rihanna Drive.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh yeah, Yeah, she has a little did of the accent.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Still. Her relationship with her fathers had its ups and
downs over the years. After she was assaulted by Chris
Brown in two thousand and nine, who just got out
of jail again, Yeah, Dad reportedly spoke to the press
about the incident without his daughter's consent. She addressed the
matter years later in an interview with Vogue in which

(23:39):
she called the situation really strange. You grow up with
your father, you know him, you're a part of him,
for goodness sake, and then he does something so bizarre
that I can't begin to wrap my mind around it.
A year later, she revealed a Noprah that she repaired
her relationship with him, though they continued to be at odds,
including in twenty nineteen, when she sued her father for

(24:00):
allegedly exploiting her name for financial game. She claimed, among
other complaints, her dad founded a talent development company in
twenty seventeen called fenty Entertainment, posing as her manager to
solicit new clients. Three weeks before the case went to
trial in twenty twenty one, she filed to dismiss the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
She probably just wanted to make a point.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, probably that's still sad and seventy damn. Yeah, anyway,
they're the ones we followed, right.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I mean, his name definitely still lives on because that's
her Her beauty and lingerie brand name is Fenti.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yep, her last.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Name, and she's made a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Off of it. So there you go. Yeah, so can't be.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And for that anyway, which means she's never coming out
with another album ever and ever and ever.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Maybe people have been waiting and she's coming out with
another kid.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, she keeps saying, yeah, I'm coming out with another
album and then another lingerie line comes out.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
When she's good in goddamn writing, which will be never
because she don't need to do it no more. Yeah,
but artists for artist's sake, you know. Yeah, maybe we'll
see if she feels inspired, she'll be back in the studio.
I would think who knows anyway, looks like there's a
decent sized list of good news. Do we want to

(25:25):
take a break first and then move on to good news?
I think we should. All right, we'll be right back,

(25:49):
and we're back.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
We're back, so much good news. Okay, I thought this
was interesting and poignant.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Paris unveils a memorial to gay holocaust victims.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, good, yeah, Oh, just unveiled recently. It's the Monument
to the gay People who were sent to Concentration camps yep.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
A giant steel star created by artist Jean Luke Verna.
It's located near Place de la Bastille.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
In a park. Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
The monument recognizes the estimated five thousand to fifteen thousand
people sent to concentration camps during World War Two for homosexuality.
Recognition means saying this happened and saying we don't want
this to happen again.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Paris Mayor, thank you France anyway, right.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Paris Mayor and Hidalgo said at the inauguration ceremony. She
said there's still an obligation to fight against denial and mitigation,
and that there are today extremely dangerous, strong opposing winds
that would like to deny the diversity of the victims.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Hmm, I wonder who she could mean.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right, I keep meaning for you to see that movie
paragraph one seventy five, the film from two thousand about
the gay Holocaust survivors.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I thought we did see that.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
No, I just I keep saying we should in the
demo put it on the list.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
The memorial was unveiled on May seventeenth, the International Day
against Homophobia, biophobia and Transphobia. I hope it and comes
after France started recognizing in recent decades that gay people
were also victims of the Holocaust. Damn it. Indeed.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, I think the only major difference was not in
every case by any means, but more often than not,
instead of just being killed, they were sentenced to hard
labor in the camps. I think that was the only distinction.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
M Some are co oh no, that's.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
What I'm saying, like or at least, and this is
coming from the movie paragraph one seventy five, Like that
was their account that they and those around them were
sentenced to hard labor as opposed to others being killed.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And if I recall, some of them were not immediately released. Right, Yeah,
it's It's definitely a checkered story, but nice of them
to pay attention. Oh yeah, to history. At least there
are some humans who don't want to see history repeat itself.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Thank god. So cool. Thanks Paris mel c Yeah. Maryland
has become the fifth state to decriminalize HIV What.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
The one, two, three, four fifth?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
What? HIV criminalization laws have long targeted people of color.
Maryland Governor Wes Moore, a Democrat, of course, signed legislation
that decriminalizes HIV. The Carlton or Smith Act, named for
a local HIV activist who died last year, eliminates criminal
penalties based on one's HIV status. Maryland is the fifth state,

(29:09):
with North Dakota making the move just last month. Until now,
it was a misdemeanor in Maryland to knowingly transfer or
attempt to transfer HIV to someone else. The law did
not require intent to transmit, actual transmission, or conduct that
would transmit the virus. Penalties included up to three years

(29:30):
incarceration and a fine of up to twenty five hundred dollars.
Laws like this can deter people from being tested entry
to for HIV. Maryland's law has been disproportionately used to
target black people. The Williams Institute found that from twenty
to twenty twenty, black people account for eighty two percent
of HIV related criminal cases in the state, despite only

(29:53):
making up thirty percent of the population and seventy one
percent of the people living with HIV.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah. I at first I thought this was because HIV
being much more treatable now it's not an immediate death sentence,
and I thought maybe that was why it was criminalized.
Now realizing oh, it was just a stigma thing.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I guess, hmmm, yeah, I mean again, if it's not handled, Krock,
this is evidenced based policy making, because you know, as
we know, we now have medical treatments that wholly eliminate
the risk of transmitting HIV through sex. Yet those advances

(30:38):
were not reflected in Marilyn law. Marylyn is now committed
to evidence based policy making and to ending the criminalization
of people living with HIV.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Evidence based policy making. That is a comforting phrase.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Isn't that so sary? Refreshing? Okay? A new study published
in The Lancet HIV has found that guender affirming care
leads to more positive outcomes for trans people with HIV.
They examined more than eight thousand trans adults of varying genders, races,
and insurance statuses from twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen, and

(31:16):
it found that gender affirming care is important for optimizing
HIV outcomes among trans people. Participants who were undergoing gender
affirming therapy had a thirty seven percent lower chance of
contracting HIV and were forty four percent lists likely to
have uncontrolled or transmissible HIV than trans people who were

(31:37):
not on hormone therapies. The results underscore the vital role
of gender affirming models of care and access to gender
affirming hormone therapy for transpaople Water still wet.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
It sounds like if you are affirmed, then you have
more of a positive self outlook, and that means you'd
make better choices to take care of yourself because you
feel that you are worth taking care of. That's what
that sounds like to me, as opposed to seeking out
self distracting behavior because no one's counteracting your mindset that

(32:13):
your life isn't worth living. Yeah, so yeah, water is wet. Thankfully.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Of course, this current administration has been getting federal funding
for HIV research a direct threat to the public health
as we know. But this study does come at a
time when vicious attacks against gender firm and care are
coming from both the White House and Republican led state legislatures.
Because they'd rather focus on a problem that they have

(32:44):
manufactured out of folkloth than actually try to govern.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well, yeah, because if they actually stop making up bullshit
and lies, then they'd have to focus on the fact
that they have no actual ideas or plans.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So I mean, yeah, good, more evidence in the world.
Increasingly not caring about it in that part, but we'll
mention it. This is cool. LGBTQ plus tourism is on
the rise in India. A growing number of businesses and

(33:21):
travel agencies in India are catering to LGBTQ plus travelers,
who report a welcoming and inclusive atmosphere. Hmm. One traveler
in Australian about to go for the third time said,
I don't recall a single bad instance in our travels

(33:41):
were mindful and watral, but many of the places we
visited offered inclusive environments, fostering a strong sense of community.
Thousands of gay tourists are visiting India, which is an
emerging destination for LGBTQ plus travel.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I'd like to go and see it.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah. I like going anywhere where I don't have to
worry about, you know, right, all those things we have
to worry about in Florida and Texas. Companies like Inja,
Pink Pink Escapades, lgbt Tourism India are focusing their business
on the LGBTQ plus tourism market. They range from high

(34:19):
end luxury experiences to budget conscious backpacking options. We are
seeing a rising number of LGBTQ plus travelers choosing our
hostels as their base to explore the diverse and vibrant
spirit of India. They come not only for the sites,
but to feel seen, respected and part of a larger

(34:40):
welcoming community. According to the founder and CEO of the Hosteller,
a backpack hostile chain, hmmm, we've.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Not only hosted, but also employed members from the LGBTQ
plus community who have added immense contribution towards our organization's growth.
In our spaces, everyone is free to just b.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I love it. Yeah. According to the twenty twenty four
Gay Travel Index compiled by the Berlin based international Spartacus
Gay Guide, India's ranked forty fourth out of two hundred
and thirteen countries and territories for LGBTQ plus travel safety,
which is a significant improvement from its eighty second rank
among one hundred and fifty countries in the twenty twenty

(35:23):
one Travel Safety Index. Yeah it is shoot, yeah, okay,
add India to the list.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean it was already on the list, but.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, India is being presented as a culturally rich, safe,
and deeply rewarding destination when that offers wellness, heritage, nature,
culinary experiences and meaningful connections. True, though there are no
precise numbers for gay tourism in India due to privacy
and datic considerations, the IGLTA says it has seen clear

(35:56):
indicators of growth with more travel agencies and to ours
operators offering options over the past year. With neighboring countries
such as Nepal becoming more visibly inclusive, it's helping to
open India's eyes to the potential. Of course, their Supreme
Court decriminalized homosexuality in twenty eighteen, ye same sex marriage

(36:17):
that is still not legally recognized, but the issue is pending. Huh.
I wonder if they rate higher than the United States
at the moment. Doubtful, not sure. So this is notable
because it is Washington, DC, and you know the White

(36:38):
House is currently occupied. That's a word. Yeah. So they
are getting the longest rainbow street mural ever as the
city decks itself out for World Pride.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And there's room now since they dug up the Black
Lives Matter mural.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, In a defiant show of diversity and includesness, DC
is painting the town in rainbows as the World Pride
DC twenty twenty five celebration gets under way. It is
a welcome relief from the grim gray Paul the President,
has cast over the capital since January from Logan Square

(37:18):
to Dulles International Airport in Virginia. Rainbows are blooming on buses, sidewalks, signage,
and in the d C metro. The three week festival
kicked off with a welcome concert at National's Park on Saturday, Yesterday,
May thirty first. Two to three million visitors were expected

(37:38):
to descend on the nation's capital for the duration of
World Pride. The festival wraps on June eighth with an
international march and rally at the Lincoln Memorial and march
to the Capitol In between, there are hundreds of events,
large and small, celebrating LGBTQ plus people and culture. The
biggest rainbow in town was just about the writing of

(38:01):
this article. More than one hundred volunteers added a rainbow
painted bike lane improvement on Fifteenth Street Northwest, stretching all
the way from Oh northwest up to v Street Northwest. Huh.
You know it does culminate in the march. There are
I know, folks going down from this area, yeah, who
plan to be there. As I said, we'll be in

(38:22):
North Jersey for reasons of care to folks being left
without care. Right, But World Pride is happening in DC,
and a lot of people are showing up to make
the point. You so good? Oh shit. Organizers in April

(38:42):
announced all programming that was previously scheduled for the Kennedy
Center would be moved to other venues to ensure that
the entire community would be welcome following, of course, the
purge and gutting yeah of the Kennedy Center. So don't
look for the Kennedy Center or the White House to
be lit in the colors of Pride this June. Right,

(39:04):
all right, there's more to tell. I've got several things here,
So why don't we take another quick break and then
we'll be right back to finish up. Good news, We'll
be right back, and we are back.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Que'er back.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, So the Supreme Court has rejected the appeal of
a Massachusetts student who was barred from wearing a T
shirt to school, proclaiming there are only two genders. Yeah,
good right. They left in place a federal appeals court

(40:00):
ruling that said it would not second guess the decision
of educators, thank god, in Middleborough, Massachusetts, to not allow
the T shirt to be worn in a school environment
because of a negative impact on trans and gender non
conforming students. Hell Loujah, of course, because this is, of
course of little consequences, right, But educators at the John T.

(40:23):
Nichols Middle School barred the student from wearing the T shirt.
This is middle school exactly, and an altered version with
the words two genders covered up by tape with the
word censored written on it. Why do I get the
feeling that this is his parents trying to make a
little statement through their kid. Okay, that or they've raised

(40:44):
a little monster. Right.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Either way, they fucked the kid or thinks this is appropriate, right,
And they let him do this exactly. They bought him
the shirt because you can't tell me he went out
and bought the shirt on his own. He had to
be like, I want this, and then they had to
give him.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
The Money's on whether or not there's been I don't
know gender confusion in this child's background.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And this is part of the fix.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
That sounds right too. I'm feeling like, of course, fuck
everyone in this house.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Alito and Quarence Thomas dissented. Of course they did. Of
course they did, right wow. According to Alito, the court
should have heard the case, noting that the school permitted
an indeed encouraged student expression endorsing the view that there
are many genders but censored and opposing view of fuck
off an opposing view. I'm not a view, right, jackass.

(41:41):
This case presents an issue of great importance for our
nation's youth. Whether public schools may suppress student speech either
because it expresses a viewpoint is based and lawrence now
it expresses the viewpoint that the school disfavors were because
of vague concerns about the likely effect of the speech
on the school atmosphere or on students. Who find this
beach offensive. This is not This is what if we

(42:02):
start all wearing t shirts that say, you know, Justice
Alito doesn't really exist and he and uncle Thomas can
you know, should go fuck themselves. There are only seven
Supreme Court justices. How about that?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Like that would be cool, That.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Would be fun. Actually, I'd like to see thirteen, truly
a Baker's doesn't this idea that this is just about
a viewpoint? Of course Alito wrote it. Of course, you
know what vague concerns about the likely effect of the

(42:44):
speech on the school atmosphere or on students who find
the speech offensive? You mean the ones being dismissed right
by bullshit like that? Yeah, yeah, okay, So for once
I'll take it as a win. The Supreme Court got

(43:05):
it right.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It has to happen them.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know, they're getting a lot of shit wrong, but okay,
this time they got it right. So yeah, that makes
the good news. I'd see. Apparently there's a list on
a Pink News of the companies who have released Pride
Month twenty twenty five collections. Despite Trump right, Abercrombie and Fitch, Skull, Candy, Puma,

(43:29):
Levi's might have.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
To get some Levi's merch Skull Candy. I am wearing
Skull Candy headphones right now.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, I love them. In recent months, of course, multiple
corporations have rolled back their support for US and related
initiatives in the you know, in the face of the
residents attack. One corporate DEI initiatives, Target is one of
those companies. Just four days after the inauguration, Target issued

(44:03):
an announcement stating that it planned to eliminate hiring goals
for minority employees and also stress the need for staying
in step with the evolving external landscape. How's that working out,
by the way, But.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
They still released a pride line and just like the
straight Pride flag, it is weak and ugly, a lot
of khaki. They used to have some nice stuff and
Apple was kind of cynical and their their sticking with
their DII policies because they basically just did a cost

(44:34):
benefit analysism, like, well, we won't lose that much money
if we stay we we're on course and not change anything.
They're going to lose money, right, So it's like it
wasn't so much, you know, it wasn't so much. They
put their values on the line as it was just like, Eh,
We're not going to lose that much money something.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
New York City Pride announced recently it's lost multiple major
sponsors who previously financially supported the annual march. The Wall
Street Journal reported that MasterCard is not renewing its corporate
sponsorship for the year's March after being a platinum sponsor
for almost ten years. Nissan, City, PepsiCo, and consulting firm

(45:13):
Price Waterhouse Coopers are also not sponsoring the event this year,
according to the report, Wow Nissan Yeah. Eve Keller, co
president of the United States Association of Pride, told the
outlet that the move away from sponsoring Pride events is
partially due to pressure put on DEI programs by the

(45:35):
Trump administration. Are they pressuring you or did they say
some words that part and enough of you are scrambling
to comply preemptively that here we are. So let's see
the ones who have released twenty twenty five Pride merch
so far. Levi's including a mesh top and a graphic

(46:00):
featuring the inverted pink triangle mm hmm okay, a denim
jacket with a phrase I Know you know on the back,
along with a rainbow themed bandana patriwork design. Levi's makes
an annual one hundred thousand dollars donation to Outright International,
a global organization working to advance human rights for our
people across the world. Yes, yeah, Levi's.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
This is not even the first time, because they did
a whole line a few years ago and they partnered
with drag Race like their winner of one of the
challenges that you won, their entire Pride line for that year,
so this is not new for them.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Converse also no surprise there. They're eleventh annual Proud to
Be collection with the tagline for those prouder than ever
to be themselves. They have stated that through annual grants,
they have pledged and donated nearly three point four million
dollars to local, national, and international organizations since they launched

(47:00):
their annual Pride campaign and collection in twenty fifteen. YEP.
Their current nonprofit partners are listed as It Gets Better,
igl Yo and Homotopia. Apple launched its upcoming collection celebrating
Pride Month, including the Pride Edition's sport band. They are

(47:22):
releasing a downloadable rainbow themed Pride Harmony watch face, as
well as new iPhone and iPad.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Wallpaper, which we decided we don't.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
It's not great.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I like the other ones they had.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Already, and of course they very ambiguously just say that
they are proud to financially support organizations that serve LGBTQ
plus communities. Yeah. Puma also no big surprise, they have
steadfastly refused to roll back their support for DEI released

(47:54):
a brand new collection. They collaborate with various charities, including
The Trevor Project and gald Yep. Skull Candy released their
limited edition All Love collection May twenty seventh.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I've been a fan of Skull Candy for going on
thirty years, and.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Now proceeds of the Pride Collection will benefit LGBTQ plus
mental health charity to Write Love on Her Arms Hollister.
Their new Pride collection features thirteen neutral pieces price between
seventeen and fifty dollars, celebrating inclusivity through vibrant designs and accessories.

(48:34):
According to Women's Daily, they have partnered with Glisten for
many years and have raised over five point six million.
Like that Abercrombie and Fitch, I didn't know they were
still includes fifteen gender inclusive pieces and a six piece
capsule for kids, and they have raised over five million
dollars for the Trevor Project. This year they will donate

(48:57):
four hundred thousand to the organization. Where regardless of how
much Pride merch is sold, all right, then.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well, considering how homo erotic they're advertising.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Girl Jan Sport. Their Pride Collection consists of designs featuring
a positive affirmation to support the mental wellbeing of LGBTQ
plus youth. Their charity supports again, the Trevor Project. Over
the past five years, they have donated more than two
hundred and fifty thousand to the organization.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Also not a surprise because so another drag race Queen
Jan who had to shorten her name because it was
Jan Sport. Obviously she couldn't be JanSport on television.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
They collaborated with her like a couple of years ago
on a backpack series. Okay, so this is also not
new to them.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Target Man did release some merch collection that though they've
come in for criticism online. The Pride collection appears to
have been scaled back compared to previous years and is
centered on a collection of Pride birds, including two birds
labeled Gal and Pal. More of The collection this year
is only available online rather than in stores, and all

(50:17):
is clearly labeled as adult.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I got a bird for Target right here.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And obviously it's also not clear what if any LGBTQ
plus charities Target is planning to donate to this year.
In the past, they have supported both Lesson and the
Human Rights Campaign. They're losing money, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Are, like notable, right amounts of money?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And then it right, So I'm sorry, black folk are
not I mean, they're part of this boycup, Yep, it
ain't just us.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, like I keep saying, you know, if it weren't
for the fact that our pharmacy is located inside the Target.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I'm not going to train another pharmacist. But we haven't
spent a nickel in the store.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
No, no, And I was going to say, like, the
only people that I've the only non white people that
I've run across in that Target, Sin is working there,
are working there, and me right, and other people going
to the pharmacy.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Adding to the pharmacy. I mean, I'm sorry, but right,
what did you hope to get? I hate? I mean,
and you know, I'm not going to talk about some
of the stuff we do know because but many major
corporations are withholding their funding and you know, causing important

(51:37):
organizations to restructure or leave, yeah, because of it. And
it's disgusting that you can only support us when it
feels fashionable to do so, you know, all for the
sake of shareholders. I realize I'm a simple human. But

(51:58):
right should be right and wrong should be nobody. And
you know, a clearly deranged president should not be setting
your corporate agenda. Word just saying. But and I feel
like anything they do from this point forward is just
gonna ring hollow. Like okay, yeah, you know, nice like

(52:23):
this pre collection available mostly online online. Yeah, thank you, Yeah,
you know what. That's okay, keep it exactly. Ian McKellen
is opening an all trans production of twelfth Night, which
is Shakespeare's most trans play. This was in them.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I'm actually not familiar with twelve Nights, so that's interesting
to me.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I'm not either, But a trans theater company is staging
a production of one of Shakespeare's most beloved comedies or
do not know docors, I've never heard of it this
summer or in London. The play will receive an introduction
from none other than Sir Ian McKellen trans What you Will,
which is dedicated to staging Shakespeare plays with trans and
non binary performers. What you Will ha Clever Uh Huh

(53:15):
will produce a staged reading of twelfth Night at the
Space in London on July twenty fifth. They wrote that
the inherent queerness of the play is glaringly apparent to
so many. Like many of the Bard's plays, it absolutely
smacks of gender. You've got a lady disguised as a

(53:36):
man seducing another lady on behalf of a lord, but
nothing goes to plan when the lady falls for the
disguised lady and the disguised lady falls for the lord.
More specifically, the playfall is two twins, Viola and Sebastian,
who are separated from each other in a shipwreck. Viola
disguises herself as a man Cesario, and enters into the

(53:59):
service of Duke Orsino, who rules over the area. As Cesario,
she also serves as wingman to Orcino, who's in love
with the Countess Olivia, but Olivia falls in love with Cesario,
Viola falls in love with Orsino, and chaos ensues. It
sounds like Shakespeare, sounds like your average t for tea

(54:20):
friend group. If you ask uses does yeah, yeah, thanks then.
The theater company also announced McKellen as the production's special
guest on Wednesday, and a statement posted by trans What
you Will's instagram, McKellen called Twelfth Night perhaps the funniest

(54:41):
and most moving of Shakespeare's plays. This is achieved through
the complexity of gender and sexuality from first to last,
he said, adding that he's really looking forward to the
impact of this latest version of the play at the
space fun.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
You will be ever read Twelfth Night.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, if you can't get to London to watch it live,
you will be able to watch a live stream of
the production that There aren't further details at the moment.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I'm down.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, they're crowdfunding for production costs and any profit generator
will be donated to the UK based charity organization not
a phase work. Yeah, I dig it, that's fun. I
just I love all of Ann McKellen's pagotry.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Right over the last several years, he's perfected it. Yep, yeah,
fuck it, it's faggotory, it's chef's kiss.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
It is right, So GoAhead, you can. You can start
talking about this one.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I came across this and I just want to know
what you thought.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Everybody feels warm and fuzzy about this, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
So the musician in the story is Beth McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, so I'm not familiar with I am not either.
She's a bisexual singer songwriter, right.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So, in what is called a heartwarming moment during one
of her shows, Beth McCarthy, whose songs focus on celebrating queerness,
honored a transgender fans request to give her a new name.
I saw this video on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Mm hmmm. McCarthy posted a video of the scene in
which the fan is clearly over the moon that the
performer is speaking to her at all, let alone about
to help her with something monumental.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, so McCarthy asks her to hold her hand and
then says, I think the name Luna is really beautiful.
She said, I was going to save it for me
having a kid, but I actually I think that you
look beautiful and honestly, you shine like the moon. Would
you like to be called Luna? And the fan nods
emphatically and shouts yeah, yes, thank you so much, before

(56:47):
the pair embraces and then she said, I think I'm
your kid now.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
You're adopting me.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Luna joked, and McCarthy agrees as they jump up and down.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
M renight it was Luna, and she used the microphone
to dub her okay, and then dedicated her next song
to her. She said, thank you Learner for trusting me
with the incredible honor to choose your new name. I
hope it helps you to shine even brighter than you
already do. You will be forever in my heart. Obviously

(57:18):
this child is a big fan a little bit, that
is clear. I mean, I'm not familiar with the artist
at all. I'm not either of it. What did you think?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I thought it was sweet because the fan, you know,
had him like and it's got to be a big thing,
someone that you like that much that you want them
to name you. And then she was.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Very like and she did a yeah, I mean, and
she gave her the name she was going to give
her kid. Yes, I caught that, and then you know, yeah,
that was sweet. It was a sweet moment. And there
was a cynical part of me that was like, huh,
because I don't I don't know what I would say
if someone asked me to do that. You know what,

(58:08):
I mean like that. I tend to just throw it
all back, you know what, I mean to empower rather
than which is perhaps a bit cynical because if I'm
just trying to think, if I had been able to
walk up to my Angelou and say I am trans

(58:28):
what would you name? I would probably go by whatever
she said next mm hmm without thought because when I
pictured the voice of God, right, it is her voice.
So yeah, I like, I get it. That was when
I first heard the story. I was like, huh, arrogant,

(58:49):
but it looked very you know, real and in the moment,
and obviously the kid is delighted and over the moon,
over the moon. Yeah, so I seem sweet. Yeah, I mean,
I don't doubt that. It felt like a sincere moment, right,

(59:10):
I do what I I guess if I got a
note like that, I'd be inclined to say I want
to meet this child, but not on stage, and I
would want to have a talk with her and say,
you know, you get to do that, not me. Yeah,

(59:32):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't have other notes.
I mean that was just my initial but I see
the video. It's adorable. I'm not I'm not calling anyone anything.
I was. That was my initial. When I first heard
the story, I was like, huh right, hmmm, And it
was the artists who posted it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

(59:57):
I thought it was sweet, Okay. I I'm not saying
it's not sweet. I'm not saying that. Okay, I'm saying
I don't know what I'm saying. Fandom gets much sometimes. No,
that's true, and I would just kind of throw it
back if I were in that position, but I'm not,

(01:00:18):
so I don't know what I would do. How's that? Okay?
Fair enough? But I think if I were, I would say, baby,
that's you, I mean, and that all of a sad
I let you name me. So take what I said
with a groin, big grain asul.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I mean, it's not like I said, I am naming you.
I was just you didn't it was an organic thing,
and you chose it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
It was an organic thing. I was having a ridiculous
time with the whole concept because I had a thought
in my mind and then right scrapped it a couple
of times. A couple of times, yes, for various reasons, right,
and yeah that's so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, And what you settled on was the name that
I came up with, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Well, right, but you didn't come up with it as
a name. It wasn't. It was a different conversation, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
It was a description, yes, encapsulating the fabulousness that is you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Well, thank you, but that's it was, right. It was
a differently organic conversation. It wasn't about, Hey, what would
you name me? It wasn't even that. So I don't know.
It's clearly the fan is deeply excited. I just hope,
you know, right, we'll see what happens in the morning

(01:01:37):
when she turned sixteen, right, whatever, it's it's I'm it's lovely. So,
I mean, it's so sweet and I just might be cynical.
I don't know, but it's cute. Anyway, It's time for

(01:01:59):
one of our favorite segments that we like to call
employer people taking pleasure name woo. So I don't even
know if I want to read from the story, but like,
the memes are fantastic, okay, And basically, so Elon Musk

(01:02:20):
apparently left Friday or you know, officially, Oh was it officials?
That's what I'm reading, Okay, but I believe it was
the Wall Street Journal that quoted a source who said
that Donald Trump questioned the extent of the federal cuts
made by billionaire advisor Elon Musk's doge, according to The

(01:02:44):
Wall Street Journal, bringing the savings because there are none
into doubt, as Musk ended his short stint as special
government employee this week after making controversial cuts and layoffs
within the federal government. Not just controversial. Oh, I took
the article from Forbes just whatever legitimacy sake, I guess.

(01:03:04):
But what Drum said was what is all this? Was
it all bullshit? Yes? Yes it was. Yes, of course
it was unnamed administration officials cited by The Wall Street
Journal on Friday referring to Musk's vail to cut a
trillion dollars in government spending, and of course that was
originally two trillion dollars. Yeah, he reiterated the promise during

(01:03:28):
a press conference, thing he was confident that they will
produce one trillion dollars of waste and fraud reduction over time.
Dear God, he's already pushed back the deadline. I mean,
apparently he's going to continue visiting the White House and
acting as a friend and advisor. There was no comment

(01:03:50):
from the White House or musk, but yeah, he also
said something about him being half genius and half boy,
so I think he's teeing up to say Elon who
mm hmm. I had this chilling thought and was chilling
for me anyway, that he's going to start stepping in
and reversing all this nonsense and saying, you know, it

(01:04:12):
wasn't okay, so that he can be benevolent. Yeah, because
the egos that's small. And I was like, I mean,
I guess if we get there, maybe that's okay. But
then it just lets his supporters say, see, you're all
worried for nothing. I don't think that is what's going
to happen, but I had that thought just driving to work.
I was like, Jesus Christ, it could it be that dystopian?

(01:04:34):
Could it be that ridiculous that he's going to start
going like, well, no, we're not going to because I
pictured him like I'm terrified right now. And we'll get
into it in the cavalcade about you know what the
House passed. The bill that the House passed is disgusting
and despicable, particularly where transit people are concerned. It is
evil incarnate. I'm hoping the Senate doesn't allow all that

(01:04:57):
to go through. I'm hoping Corey Booker has another I
don't know however many filibusters it takes in him. But
and then I thought, well, what if they pass it
and he just and he like decides to be to
it because he's that capricious. I mean, we never know
what he's going to do next, just so he could say, well,
I don't yeah, that seems mean or whatever. I don't know,

(01:05:21):
this is sae I'm but I know I had the thought.
I was like, I would love for that to happen.
And you know, I think it was it all bullshit.
Of course it was all bullshit, right, It's all been bullshit.
All this person has sown is chaos, right, And because

(01:05:42):
he doesn't understand government fundamentally, he doesn't understand what he's doing,
and he, like you, knows how to turn a profit
into a loss.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And he has already said the words empathy is weakness,
which is why all of these benefit funds were the
first to go and convenient all he's like cutting all
these programs and halting all this funding, and then all
of a sudden his own businesses start getting government contracts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh yeah, Oh he's been on the government tit for
a long time exactly, yeah, oh big time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
And his followers take his theoretical dick out their mouth
of five seconds and go, I don't understand why people
hate Elon so much. He's finding all this money and
waste and it's benefiting, and I'm just like wow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, I mean, they are claiming they've saved one hundred
and seventy five billion through worse workforce reductions, grant cancelations,
which I'm very familiar with, contract cancelations, and more. Of course,
while he gives him self contracts and it claims to
have saved one thousand, eighty six dollars per taxpayer, also bullshit.
The claims of savings have been rife within consistencies and errors,

(01:06:54):
according to multiple reports suggesting the true savings figures are
lower and where you can't say exist at all. For example,
Doge once claimed it saved eight billion dollars by canceling
an immigration contract that actually had a value of eight
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Maybe he had a cold that day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
A BBC analysis from April found only about half of
the itemized savings published were linked to receipts or any
other forms of evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I want to see the receipts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Yeah, they said some of the receipts are unavailable for
legal reasons. I guess because it would be illegal to
make claims about them. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
And we're supposed to believe what that they're going to
pass the savings.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
On to us, many of the he's passing them on
to himself. Thank you. That's which is the whole point
to this administration, which means they're stealing exactly. Just say that.
All the Christians line up and say hell lujah for real.
Though many of the directed cuts have been contested, federal
layoffs in particular saying challenges in courts, the worthless Supreme

(01:08:07):
Court of course, you know, had a chance to do
the right thing and didn't. Last month. You know, they've
blocked a judge's or are requiring employees at sex federal
agencies to be rehired and they should have been. You know,
they're they're wreaking havoc. We are less safe. We are
losing services left and right, and you know, it's chaos.

(01:08:28):
And we have this drug adult egomaniac as president. While
we have this drug adult egomaniac who the president thinks
is a genius or or half boy. He's just not sure.
I it. Yeah. The shodden for it of it all

(01:08:51):
really is Trump is already distancing himself, and Elon Musk
is looking like a bigger joke than he did before.
Of course it was Trump, and you know what you
reap with you, so and whatever. Tesla's stock is in
the toilet and their dicks are still small, and but yeah,

(01:09:13):
that's not body shape. Did you see his black eye.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Though, he had a black eye?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Oh yeah, walking around the black eye. Apparently it's sucking
somebody's wife and he has a black guy whatever. Yeah,
I don't know. It was another thing, Sullivan, somebody I
don't know. I'm talking about Mosk, right, but whatever, it's
just whatever. But it was like, this feels like chickens

(01:09:40):
coming home to roost. You've been lying to people, Yeah,
and yeah he does. He takes responsibility for nothing. So
if there's a bus coming by, you're going under a pal.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah for real. And it won't be a Tesla.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
M probably not. Probably not. Yeah. I thought that that.
I just thought that was interesting. I dig it. Yeah,
because that unholy alliance is already unraveling, as does almost
every you know, person Trump gets tired. He still thinks
he's on the Apprentice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
For real or some television show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Or some time. Right. Yeah, he likes to fire people.
We'll see what happens. Do we want to talk about
this this week? Yeah? I do want to. I want
to mention this other one. Because there was a GOP lawmaker.
A Republican state rep from Michigan was testifying about his
anti trans sports built one Monday. He was left speechless

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after an out Democratic colleague began his question by asking, Representative,
can you tell me are you trans? Mm hmmm, jack
ass Jason Wolford a long beat, staring down out gay
Democrat represent of Mike mcfell followed before Wolford managed to reply,

(01:11:05):
are you I asked you the question? Mcfell responded, I'm
asking the question back to you. He counted as he
regained some of his balance. He never fully recovered before
the committee chair moved on to the next speaker. In between,
as he gabbled his displeasure with mcfall's line of questioning,

(01:11:28):
the outrep managed to make his point. I'm actually going
somewhere with this, he said to lovemakers in this small chamber,
because I want to know how does a fourteen year
old girl prove whether or not she's trans to a
fifty year old coach? Good ask question. I only think
that's an appropriate question to be asking here today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
This is really bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, the damage was pretty much done. You know, Wolford
was red faced and shut down this. This is such bullshit.
It's a problem they've created.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
And then when you try to like show them their
own quote unquote logic, they fold because it's it's not
because they have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
To, right. They keep targeting trans youth. And this dickhead
has promoted himself as an anti transcrusader. I'd love to
know what other thing he can promote himself as, Like,
what have you done besides fuck with people who've never
done anything to you, right, who don't hurt anyone, who

(01:12:30):
are not dominating in sports, and who just want to
be included, right yep. But this is what's important.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
You're a bandwagon jumper and it's a rickety bandwagon.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
When he was promoting his discriminatory legislation, he so from
the Streate House to the White House, we are saying
that we will no longer allow our Georges and women
to be taken advantage of by insecure men. Oh fuck you,
haters of women, Oh fuck you radical transgender ideology, and
those who choose to stand in silence. I'm with you

(01:13:04):
with the stand in silence pal, But you know what
you represent, the insecure men. You represent the haters of
women based on the party you stand with, Sir, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I don't act like you care about women.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Please don't. And that's the biggest joke of all. And
we might have been talking about this when I said
some of them stand on the pole till I fall
off it. I don't know. Anyway. This month, Michigan Republicans
introduced a three bill package that includes this bullshit. So
we're gonna see what happens. But I love the retook

(01:13:43):
because it was simple. Are you trans right? You know?
Because this is the thing, and we've got more stories
like it that we'll get into a touch of logic
and they fold like a house of cards. They just
don't know what to do. But he has the audacity
to talk about it. Cure men right? Oh my? Anyway,

(01:14:05):
that that felt good because they're so easy to just
fluster because you exist for no good goddamn reason. You
are walking down this path. What the fuck? Else have
you ever done with your life besides fuck with trans kids?
You jackass, coward, coward fully coward, right, And if you

(01:14:26):
can't answer that question, how the fuck is a little
girl going to answer it? And that's the point. And
they are perfectly fine with having young girls fingered to
prove their point. They're fine with it, obviously. But they're
protecting again, children's genital fetishists. Yeah, which is what these
fucking Republicans are. Don't think any of it through, Nope,

(01:14:49):
And they make all women less safe, especially young girls.
But keep going, I guess but if.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
You called them a predator they would get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Well I'm calling them a predator. Oh what else are they? No,
it's my point. They are, Yes, they are gunning for
innocent children who did nothing to anyone except you know,
say I'm transgender m M. Because they know like I knew,

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they just have a little more language, and they're they
thought they'd be safe speaking up, and we're the ones
who told them they would be. So it is our
responsibility to keep challenging this shit wherever and whenever we can,
and being as loud and proud as we can be
and not letting this shit stand what's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Chris Hansen from To Catch a Predator? They Should Do
to Catch a Predator Congress edition.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Oh wow, they could just set up a whole season
right there for real though, in the Capitol. Did I
just pitch a show? We're in the Capitol of Michigan,
as it were. This guy's probably good for a whole
season himself. This has been your moment of Sidoya people

(01:16:11):
taking pleasure name. Okay, so I'm just gonna ask yes,
because we derailed your fist in your fifteen minute fave
last week and yay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
It's still good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Yeah, it is. Uh, do you have one this week?

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Idea?

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
What is it? It is a fun clubby dance song
called deep Down, and it involves a sample slash interpolation.
I learned about what interpolations are from the one song
podcast of the Bomb by the Bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Has these sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Rolling through my mind that song they use that, but
they turn take a left turn with it and it becomes
something else and it's fun and and I like it.
It got me through mad audits at work. Okay, So
it's called deep Down featuring Never Dull by a Loak,

(01:17:16):
Ella Eyre and Kenny dope.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Right different look a different loak. Yeah we have two apparently. Huh.
All right, let's hear it and we'll be right back.
I can get down, I can get alone. Every time
I bring about the high mess me around and now

(01:17:40):
you keep gone on the rid if you can make
it right, I'm volume and this time went through it.
But it's a hor one. You call my name that
sounds so so bad. Do the time?

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
We got a be we dial, you got.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
You got? I want to know we are back. We're bad.

(01:18:52):
That was catchy, right, Okay, it's the jam, all right,
without further ado, m it's time for our as short
as I can make it. Cavalcade of nonsense and Jesus Christ,
it's all nonsense this week. Well you started the list.

(01:19:13):
I'm gonna leave this one here and I'm gonna plow
through it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
A senior at a conservative Christian school in Georgia named
Emily Wright was weeks away from graduating at the North
Cobb Christian School in the Atlanta area, but she took
a transgender person to prom as her date, and shock

(01:19:42):
of shocks, they expelled her. Yeah yeah, the principal called
her unto the office. She was asked, is there anything
we should know about the guest you brought to prom?
And she said, yes, he's transgender. Her mother, Tricia, continued,
I got a from the principal who said, is right.
I've been informed that Emily brought a transgender guest to prom.

(01:20:05):
Were you aware of that? She said, yes, Well, I'm sorry,
I mis right with that. Emily was forced to withdraw
from the school. I mean she was not expelled, she
was forced with the same thing, distinction without a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Difference, invited to grow elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
So it was off property. A mom did sign a
form allowing her daughter to bring a guest, and the
only limitation stated on the form was related to the
guest's age. Right, she says, there was nothing in the
school's prom guidelines on the student or the student Code
of Conduct explicitly stating LGBTQ plus individuals were not allowed

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to attend the event. Oh, honey, I feared this might happen,
she said, but she thought the worst was that Emily
would be removed from the dance. Emily said, I cried
very hard. I was just thinking that my entire future
was in jeopardy. Where am I going to go to school?
Where am I going to graduate? It's just weeks left

(01:21:07):
in the school years. She was forced to re enroll
in a nearby public school so she could earn her diploma.
According to Mom, the decision is contrary to the school's
state admission and not kind m hmm. The school's core
values or love for God, neighbor and self, and respect
for people, property and ideas, but not all people. That's

(01:21:30):
not in my opin and a good example to not
be kind, to not be loving, not be accepting, to
be exclusive instead of inclusive. Mm hmmm. The school's principal
and headmaster, right is Todd Klingman. He is a graduate
of Liberty University. Ew. Yeah, but that's telling. Yeah, so

(01:21:51):
we went to Jerry Folwell's university. Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Is that where? Who Liberty University is?

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Oh? Yes? Obviously served as head of a school at
McKinney Christian Academy in Texas and high school principal and
acting administrator of Prestonwood Christian Academy in Plano, Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
So we're nothing if not on brand, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
This North Cobb Christian School was founded in nineteen eighty
three as a conservative Evangelical Christian alternative to Atlanta's public
school system, so she knew where she went to school.
Students from eight underperforming public schools in Cobbs County are
eligible to receive state funding for upped US sixty five

(01:22:39):
hundred dollars per year to attend private schools vouchers. Yeahchers,
this is what the Amway queen wanted, by the way,
never mind Betsy DeVos to attend private schools, including this one. Yeah,
so state funding, yeah, paying for the this bullshit. In

(01:23:02):
a letter to claiman addressing Emily's force withdrawal, her parents
said the decision is not reflective of the Christian values.
To claim, No, this is exactly reflective of the Christian value,
the alleged Christian values. These motherfuckers uphold that again. This
I'm sorry, this is water is wet. This is water

(01:23:25):
is wet. And trying to actually espouse Christian values to
evangelical Christians in twenty twenty five is a fool's Errand
I'm sorry, you know, and I don't even know who
I'm upset with. I'm just not surprised. Nothing about this
surprises me. Nothing. Yes, the school chose to kick out

(01:23:47):
a senior student four weeks before graduation. Because she was
being inclusive and kind. No, because she took a transperson
to problem with her. I'd like to believe she did
that because she was being inclusive and kind. And even
if I do believe that that is what was happening,
you didn't think you were making a statement. You didn't

(01:24:09):
think you were you know. I'm fortunately they are not
naming the trans person, and I appreciate that one. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
They blurred the person's face right in the pacture of
how I mean, I don't know that everyone did that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
LGBTQ Nation did that. Yeah, every time this should happen.
I mean, it's one thing like it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
I'd like to think that maybe she okay, she thought
she was making a statement, but I think she thought
she was trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Even if she okay, but that's not what a prompting
should be anyway. But I'm going to assume this is
a person she wanted to go to problem with because
she thinks they're really cool, like lessa. I'm going to
give all that the benefit of adult. She didn't, so
I'm not I'm not trying to pick on the girl.
I'm just saying this consequence was knowable because that's how

(01:25:02):
these people treat us. And I'm sorry you don't apparently
know enough about us to get it or the parents
of the trans date. You know, I don't even know
who I'm upset. I mean, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Obviously So you're saying like she might have used the
person as a prop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
I'm not saying that that's what she intended to do necessarily.
I am saying there's so much precedent for the hypocrisy
of evangelical Christianity that if you couldn't see this coming
sixteen miles away, I mean, I'm sing. When I started
reading the fucking thing, I saw it coming from New Jersey.

(01:25:48):
So I'm thinking, if you're already down there, you should
have seen this like fucking high beams coming at you
on the highway, that there would be these consequences because
a trans person was any We're near the story, and
when you put treans on the word Christian in the
same fucking sentence in Georgia, I believe this is where
it lands. Yeah, uh final a life. Well that I

(01:26:13):
guess that's all I'm saying, Like, no offense to the girl.
Let's assume she had the best of intentions and this
was just a loving gesture. Nobody should be supposed that
your school is fucking hateful. And dude is from Liberty University.
He was taught hate right, so he's got a degree

(01:26:34):
in it for real though, And that's who's in charge.
So what else did you think was going to happen?
I would love to see this overturn. I don't see
how it is because this is what Republicans want. They
want state funding to go to Christian schools, and then
this is always the consequence. Of course, there's discrimination. Of course,

(01:26:56):
Oh poor girl, all she did was take a transdate.
Uh huh. Well, if you're really an ally, sweetheart, welcome, welcome,
you just got someone. You don't act surprised. You don't
act surprised. I mean, may all of you do something
about it, and then I'll call you an ally, you know,

(01:27:18):
and then I'll believe this wasn't performative and everybody, you know, whatever.
But if you didn't think it through, I don't know
how to I don't know how to help you, because
this is very consistent true with what happens. And we
only notice when the little white girl, the little sis
white girl, is the vict the alleged victim quote unquote, yeah, okay, yeah,

(01:27:43):
because they're treating their I'm processing my feelings as we
go here. Yeah, I just I don't know how to
read it because I expect this, you know, And I
realize I'm old, and I realized I've been dealing with
fucking fundamentalists for most of my well since I was
a teenager, since but before I was a teenager. Really,

(01:28:03):
and I understand how deep their hate runs. I understand
what they do to us. You know. I've been held
down and prayed over, thank you, Yes you have. There's
nothing in the story that it surprises me. So it's
clickbait as far as I'm concerned. You know, I hope
that I hope she gets to graduate whatever. I hope

(01:28:25):
there were no consequences for her date, that part, for
just being her date. I hope that they are in
a school that actually respects their identity. How about that?
But that, yeah, I'm sorry, you know, Yeah, of course
they don't spell it out. We got a church around
the fucking corner that does that shit. We got to

(01:28:46):
Mega Church, how many miles from here, you know, where
Pastor's wife is. Calls herself an ex gay. But you
don't see that in the brochure. You find out about it,
you know, as time goes on and they do sermons
about us. Yeah, they look all inclusive if you just
check out the website, and then lots of people go there,

(01:29:08):
including one of my former supervisors. Ah M explains everything done.
It does anyway. Good for you, I guess for calling
other hypocrisy, And again, I hope your kid gets to graduate.
But you know, to act apprised as I guess where
I got stuck with the story. Let's move on. This

(01:29:29):
one's fun. The army new guidance for how the US
Army will implement the trans military ban says that its
Human Resources Command will alter records for transgender troops to
reflect their sex assigned to birth. Mm hmm. The new

(01:29:51):
fourteen page memo explains some of the administrative steps the
Army is taking to implement the trans military ban, and
could be ref reflective of steps being taken by all
of the military's branches. Commanders will take immediate measures to
update personal records and administrative systems to reflect bilewogical sex

(01:30:14):
for all individuals, according to the ignorant memo. Other memos
that the memo lists include requiring everyone in the military
should be referred to with pronouns that reflect their blue
logical sex, including use of the words sarah and ma'am,

(01:30:35):
and stating that access to intimate spaces will be determined
by sex assigned at birth. Yeah, so it's not enough.
Everything that we've done today is not enough. We got
to do just a little bit more to humiliate them
on their way out the door, I guess, and this

(01:30:57):
somehow makes America great again, safer from what I can't
tell you. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I'm still stuck on the idea of y'all really think
it's a good idea to teach a bunch of people
how to kill then turn your backs on them like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Yes, the direct Yeah, exactly. The directives coming out are
vindictive and aggressive, said here here, said Jennifer Levi of
the LGBTQ plus organization glad Law. At the same time
they are being issued in a chaotic way, of course
they are that undoubtedly is harming military readiness.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Yeah, not to mention the ones that were in higher
office that literally know where the bodies are buried.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
But okay, fuck with them. See what happened? Yeah, Yeah,
of course, another executive Voter said transit people cannot serve
in the military and accuse them of being unable to
meet the military's high standards for troop readiness. As far
as I'm concerned, right now, they have no no standards
for true readiness, lethality, cohesion, honesty, humility, uniformity, and integrity,

(01:32:09):
despite trans people serving openly in the military for years.
This from Sergeant Bone spurs too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
He wouldn't have been a sergeant.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Of course. Several lawsuits have been filed to block the
implementation of the ban. Several courts issued temporary injunctions against
purging the military of trans people as the lawsuits worked
their way through the court system, but earlier this month,
the Supreme Court remember Them, ruled that the administration could
implement the ban immediately. Yeah and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth

(01:32:44):
said the military would start forcing trans service members out
starting on June six or July seventh. For the reserves,
there are about forty two hundred transgender people serving in
the military, and one thousand of them have already identified
themselves and volunteered to leave before June sixth. That's a

(01:33:07):
quarter so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
That they could keep their honorable discharge.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Well, in hopes of getting some of the benefits voluntarily
leaving the military. There's no guarantee to access to your
pension or severance or an honorable discharge, said Ray Timberlake
of the trans service members organization Sparta Pride. They are
one of the estimated thousand trans service members choosing to

(01:33:32):
leave the military voluntarily now in order to get some
of the benefits they have been earning throughout their career
that might not be available if the military forces them
out for being transgender after June sixth. This is not voluntary.
This is a decision that folks are coming to under duress.

(01:33:53):
So don't any fucking Republican ever again in life, tell
me they support the troops. Nope, this is It's despicable,
it's disgusting. It's against all decency, let alone our constitution.
It's humiliation for humiliations sake. It's degrading and demeaning for
the sake of being degrading and demeaning. And this is

(01:34:15):
what bullies do, which is who we have put in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
We know who to go to for the strategies and
maneuvers for the revolution.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
There's that, Well, you know what, keep doing this bullshit,
Keep it up, keep it up. This is the country
they want, I guess or something or something.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
They're not going to be happy till shit's on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Well, if it is, it is, I mean, you know
this is you keep targeting. See, they count on the
fact that they're targeting people they know are seene and
peaceful and decent.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
But you can only push people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
But so far, well, once you have nothing left to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
I guess we'll see what happens. And we already know
how fragile these men are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
White House has already been set on fire once. I'm
just saying, I'm not suggesting nothing, I'm just pointing out
a historical accuracy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
You don't care for what you say. But who's going
to rebuild DUTCHA? We know who built it the first time? Right?
As if that weren't ugly enough, the Republican House passed
a bill banning coverage of trans healthcare through Medicaid, CHIP
and Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act. Yeah, m hmm, yeah.

(01:35:38):
It passed by just one vote. Every Democrat voted against it,
and almost every Republican supported it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
At least it's almost a Republican that's the only silver.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Lining I got. They passed a massive bill at seven
am after debating only. It's expected to add two point
for I'm sorry, two point for trillion to the national
debt by increasing spending as well as cutting taxes. It
will be financed partly with debt and partly with deep

(01:36:11):
cuts to federal health care programs, including cuts to gender
firming care for trans people, including adults in federal insurance programs.
A provision in the bill, which is being called the
Big Beautiful Bill by its supporters bitches, bans Medicaid and

(01:36:32):
SHIP from reimbursing for gender firming care, including puberty blocker's
harmon therapy and surgery for trans people of all ages.
This is an attack on the poor. Another provision prohibits
plans offered on the Affordable Care Act exchanges from covering

(01:36:55):
services related to a gender transition procedure. According to the
Congressional Equality Caucus, this will also affect healthcare plans that
aren't offered on the exchanges but that are required to
meet the same coverage standards. This is in addition to
five hundred billion in cuts to Medicare and massive cuts

(01:37:18):
to Medicaid that will remove coverage for eight zero point
seven million Americans. According to the Williams Institute, Medicaid provides
healthcare to one hundred and fifty two thousand transgender Americans,
and fewer than half live in states that gender firm
and care through Medicaid. If the GOP tax scam becomes law,

(01:37:42):
more than thirteen million, seven hundred thousand Americans will lose
their health insurance out, Gay Rep. Mark Tacano of California
said in a statement, But that doesn't matter to Republicans
in Congress. They need those cuts to pay for their
billionaire buddies tax, which is what they're doing. That's the
real game. Yeah yeah, attacks on the trans community are

(01:38:08):
just the cherry on the top for them. Congress should
be working to make health care more affordable, not banning
coverage of medically necessary care. We're pulling the rug out
from underneath millions of Americans who rely on Medicaid. If
we really want to under the idea of freedom that
our nation was founded on, we have to protect every

(01:38:30):
Americans' rights, including transgender people's right to access evidence based
care without government inter fearance. Yes, that's that's what Republicans
used to stand for. They stand for nothing now other

(01:38:52):
than lining the pockets of billionaires so that they can
fuck with people they don't like. Black people, brown people,
trans people, queer people. You're probably next on the hip parade,
so pay attention. It's us. At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
I can't think of much to say that it's not
violent or setting shit on fire right now, so I
keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Yeah. The White House had warned Congressional Republicans that voting
against the bill would be considered the ultimate betrayal, which
brought the few Republicans who were worried about increasing the
national debt in line with this president's agenda. It ultimately
passed by one vote, two fifteen to two fourteen. All

(01:39:39):
Democrats voted against it, joined by two Republicans. At least
there were two right, but almost all House Republicans voted
for the bill. It now goes to the Senate, where
Republicans hope to pass it under the reconciliation process that
allows some budget bills to pass without the possibility of

(01:40:00):
a filibuster, meaning only fifty Senators will have to vote
to pass them instead of sixty, and there are currently
fifty three Republican senators. The President provided many of the
ideas for the bill and has been supportive of it,
making it likely he will sign it into law if
it passes Congress. Dear God, this is chilling. They want

(01:40:27):
us dead. Yeah, they want us dead.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
And it's a collective us you know shit.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Oh yeah. All I can say is hold on, you know,
to trans people who rely on medicate, hold on, hold on,
hold on. You are not the problem, my DearS. You
never were.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
You were thinking I was going to say that, You
never were.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
You are the scapegoat for these bullies, these children, these
children's genital fetishists who don't want you to see what
they're actually doing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Yeah, though they're not even trying to be slick, No more, would.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
It, No, they're not. They're emboldened. They're emboldened beyond all reason.
And this is real world consequences. It starts with us.
It won't end with us. It will not. So I
hope people of if there are Republicans of good conscience

(01:41:22):
left in the world, I hope you pay attention because
this will affect your friends, your neighbors. It's much more
far reaching than just the trans community. But that should
be enough. That should be enough to stop all of
this in its tracks because it is nothing but hateful,

(01:41:43):
destructive and very expensive. By the way, So if you know,
if you haven't, if hypocrisy hasn't yet been explained to you,
Douge is supposed to be saving all this money so
that they can turn around and spend it giving tax
cuts to people like Elon muss Right. Uh huh. You

(01:42:05):
can't make it make sense. You can't not without a
lens of twisted racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, anymore, any anything
I love giving me a gooraphobia and idiocy. Yeah. So
they did pass the bill. It's sitting with the Senate.

(01:42:28):
They're trying to force it through. So let's see what
happens because they put all this into a budget bill. Mhm,
this is a fisting dry Let's see what happens. By
the way, the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that

(01:42:53):
trans women will be searched by male officers. Yeah, they'll
the male officers will begin performing searches of trans women
following the ruling on the definition of sex. The British
Transport Police says that has adopted a new interim position,
which will mean trans people held in custody will be

(01:43:16):
searched by an officer in line with their birth sex.
God help you if you're innersex. I guess the Force
has become one of the first to announce a change
of policy in light of the divisive court ruling. Transwomen
in custody will be searched by male officers, while officers

(01:43:39):
who are transwomen will no longer be able to search
female detainees. Yeah. The ruling that the terms women and
sex in the twenty ten Equality Act refer to a
biological woman in biological sex means transgender women with a
gender recognition certificate can be excluded from single sex spaces

(01:44:02):
if proportionate. The Supreme Burt said, whatever that means. This
came as the head of Britain's equalities watchdogs said Wednesday's
ruling means trans women cannot use single sex female toilets
or changing rooms, or compete on women's supports. Yeah, because

(01:44:24):
we're the problem. Right. Equality and Human Rights Commission Chairwoman
Baroness kishwar Faulkner said the ruling by the UK's highest
court was enormously consequential, as she vowed to pursue organizations
which do not update their policies. She said organizations should

(01:44:44):
be taking care to look at the very readable judgment
to understand that it does bring clarity helps them decide
what they should do. A spokesman said, under previous policy,
we had advised that someone with a gender recognition certificate
may be searched in accordance with their acquired sex. However,
as an interim position, while we digest yesterday's judgment, we

(01:45:08):
have advised our officers that any same sex searches in
custody are to be undertaken in accordance with the biological
birth sex of the detaining This is not clarity, and
this will harm all women. Uh huh, and actually it
harms all of us because it makes us less humane.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
I'm just thinking of all the PTSD that's going to
arise from this bullshit. Yeah, triggers and new cases.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
She said there is no law against organizations providing a
third space, such as unisex toilets, and suggesting trans rights
organizations should be using their powers of advocacy to ask
for those third spaces separate. You know, water fountains are next.
I guess, I guess, yeah, So there we go, there

(01:46:05):
we go. This is here, irony. I love irony. The
Supreme court decision was hailed as a victory by women's
rights campaigners. Huh, of course. LGBT charities done will describe
the judgment as incredibly worrying for the trans community. It's
incredibly worrying for women too because how often, and we're

(01:46:26):
going to get there too. Are women misgendered? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because they don't, they aren't femin enough. Yeah, this is
complete disrespect of our rights. She said, this barrenness, whatever

(01:46:46):
the fuck her name is said. The ruling is a
victory for common sense. This is only the case if
you recognize that trans people exist, they have rights, and
their rights must be respected, then it becomes a victory
for common sense. We stand here to defend trans people
as much as we do anyone else. I want to
make that very clear. Nothing is clear in this dystopian bullshit.

(01:47:09):
But yeah, that's what we're going to do. I've got
a couple more. I'm going to breeze through. RFK told
healthcare providers to ignore the science on transcare and listen
to the administration, which is echoed by doctor Oz because
the clowns are running the circus. Next.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Every time I hear RFK Junior, I hear the Benny
Hill theme music.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
And the Mex seriously and him and memot Oz are yeah,
you know, of course once again advocating conversion therapy because
that has always worked. So goddamn well. Penn Medicine where
it used to work. Yeah, Mi Alma mater. Penn Medicine
halts gender affirming surgery for patients under nineteen following the

(01:47:47):
Trump executive order. They were few and far between to
begin with, right, yeah, And by the way, and this
is out of the Daily Pennsylvania in the school newspaper,
they were hardly full throated supporters to begin with. Well,
but yeah, here in more preemptive compliance, they will no

(01:48:08):
longer provide any gender affirming surgery to patients under the
age of nineteen, in line with the executive order prohibiting
the use of federal funds for such procedures. Why nineteen,
because that's what the President said. That's the arbitrary age
that they set, that Trump set, So now everybody's going
by it, because you know, when we ignore everything, when

(01:48:30):
we ignore science, when we ignore every they just keep
doing this. You know, they were supposed to be about children,
but now it affects adults as well. So at no age.
Can you be transgender in America if you're poor? There
is no age where it's okay. Right. Yeah. The executive

(01:48:51):
order promises to rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or
limit these destructive and life altering procedures and remove baccess
to puberty blockers, hormotherapy, and surgeries for individuals under the
age of nineteen. You're killing kids, yeah, let's say. Patrick
Brennan wrote in a statement. He's the Penn Medicine chief

(01:49:14):
medical Officer and senior vice president wrote in a statement
to the DP that the change pertains specifically to gender
affirming surgical procedures. It's a difficult decision. Yeah, sure it is.
That we know impacts patients and families who place their
trust in our care teams, yet it betrays them. We

(01:49:34):
remain deeply committed to ensuring a respectful and welcoming environment.
Fuck you for all members of the communities we serve,
and providing comprehensive medical and behavioral healthcare and psychosocial support
for LGBTQ plus individuals. While complying with federal government requires,
you can't do both. You double speak, asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
While pen meed does not generally treat miners. Of course,
they don't gender firming services. They notified a small number
of affected patients Earlier this week, Secretary of Health and
Human Services RFK Junior sent a letter to healthcare affiliates
urging compliance with the executive order. The Senate for Medicare

(01:50:19):
and Medicaid Services also sent a letter requesting information from
hospital systems regarding pediatric sex trade modifications performed at the
facilities Jesus Christ sex trade money Okay okay. Engineering graduate
and Pennsylvania State rap Richard Krajewski called the decision disappointing, unnecessary,

(01:50:43):
and wrong. No kidding. Gender firming care is healthcare, he wrote,
it saves lives. The university must stop giving into bigoted
federal demands without a fight. Yes, Penmed has joined other
health systems, including the University of Burg Medical Center and
penn State Health in rolling back gender affirming care programs.

(01:51:06):
It comes after pen Med quietly scrubbed or took down
over half a dozen websites previously containing commitments to diverse admissions, hiring,
and care practices, continuing Pen's widespread rollback of diversity programs,
policies and initiatives. PEN initially removed references to inclusion and
equity in February, following the crackdown on DEI and the

(01:51:30):
new erasures come in the wake of increased federal action.
So Penn is now being run by a bunch of
fucking cowards. Yeah it is, you know, thank god I'm
there anymore. It turns my stomach. Yeah, you know, an
institution I had such high regard for just rolling over

(01:51:51):
and planned it. It's disgusting. Yeah, and you know, not coming,
not even being forthright with the information because yeah, really
they weren't doing much to begin with. But yeah, let's
jump in line. You know, you could have at least
still behind a little bit you were doing, but not them.
You it breaks my heart. It's an institution that I love,

(01:52:12):
that I love, and it's heartbreaking what they're doing that.
You know, they don't care that they're throwing us under
the bus. You know, we're easily we're disposable. We're learning
that more and more from more and more institutions. We
already knew it from our government, and now our church
institutions are acting like they are also mindless, gutless, and

(01:52:34):
without soul, without decency. Yeah, just to wrap it all up,
a trans man used a women's restroom to follow the law,
and police detained him for it. Anyway, damned if do,
damned if don't exactly no one was in the restroom
while he was peeing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
God damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
But then a man busted in to the women's room
by the way and demanded he leave immediately, and then
it all got worse. A bar owner in South Carolina
reportedly spied on a transman while he used a women's
restroom stall and then called him anti translurs shortly before

(01:53:17):
police detained and charged the transman for public intoxication and
disorderly conduct. The transman, who said he was sober and
not creating a disturbance and I believe I was going
to say, I believe that shared the experience on TikTok
and is now conducting crowdfunding his move to California, where

(01:53:40):
he hopes to feel safer. Hope you do. South Carolina
doesn't have a law restricting trans bathroom use in businesses,
and the transman had an f gender marker on his
government issued ID, meaning his restroom use matched his ID.
Wild businesses can some time established their own policies around

(01:54:01):
bathroom use. Advocates for Trans Equality say that trans people
are allowed to use restrooms matching their gender identity under
the Civil Rights Actor of nineteen sixty four and the
production clause at the Constitution's fourteenth Amendment, which is true.
A twenty five year old transgender man arrived at the
Sandauer Social Club bar around eleven fifteen pm on Friday

(01:54:25):
the sixteenth so that he could be a designated driver
for his friend, twenty five year old woman, who had
been drinking to celebrate her birthday. When this person entered
the men's room, he found that it only had three
urinals with no dividers between them and no locks on
the door, making it unable for him to use. So

(01:54:48):
after allegedly getting a female employee's permission to use the
women's restroom, he entered the facilities no women present. In
other words, he was using the bathroom that many conservatives, lawmakers,
and anti transpundents want to force him to use, and
he got arrested anyway. M Yeah, seemingly because of the

(01:55:10):
panic surrounding gendered bathrooms. While peeing, a man who called
himself the bar owner came into the women's restroom and
looked over the stall. They're looking over the top of
the stall at me without my clothes on, he said.
In a video, they can fully see me naked other

(01:55:31):
than me having my shirt on, and they just started
screaming that there's a man in here. Oh now, the
man demanded he stop peeing immediately and exit the stall.
He finished paying and then exited the restroom. He then
said the bar owner began pushing him out of the
bar while calling him a fucking weirdo irony, while the

(01:55:56):
aforementioned female employee allegedly started shouting transphobic slurs uh. The
owner then allegedly pushed this person into the arms of
a police officer standing outside the bar, who proceeded to
handcuff and charged him. The officers took his phone, painfully

(01:56:22):
pushed him against a brick wall three times even though
he wasn't resisting, and accused him of being intoxicated and
fighting in the bar, even though neither was true, he said.
Another officer then came and accused him of having drugs,
but she didn't, he said. None of the officers asked
him what had actually occurred. He was shaking and confused

(01:56:45):
during the whole incident. He then said, an officer shoved
him against the police car and tightened the handcuffs so
much that he couldn't feel his fingers, kept referring to
him as little girl, and kept yelling stopped resisting. Even
though he and his friend were fully compliant, police refused
to answer any questions about the charges, repeatedly telling them

(01:57:07):
take it up in court. When the officers returned his
belongings to him, one officer said, here you go, sir,
I mean ma'am uh huh. While they weren't taken to
the police department, both of them received the same charges,

(01:57:28):
a five hundred dollars bond, a court date, and in
order not to go within five hundred feet of the
bar under threat of a dress passing charge. Yeah, put
the video on TikTok, he said, I honestly in shock.
My entire body hurts. I woke up the next day
couldn't feel my fingers. I have bruises on my leg,

(01:57:49):
I have a bruise on my arm. I saw have
anxiety rash just from thinking about it. He plans on
defending himself in court, but he has since started a
crowdfunder two relocate to California As things get scarier for
trans people, and after this experience, I am certain I

(01:58:12):
can no longer live here and feel safe. He added
that he expects he will have to leave his vehicle
and will be without a job or secure housing once
he relocates. M Yeah, this is what they want. You

(01:58:32):
can't make it make sense because it doesn't. It's nothing
but cruel, that's nothing but ugly. And it keeps happening.
And by the way, now we do have men and
women's restrooms now we do, right, because they take it

(01:58:54):
upon themselves to go in and police thinks have brought
about the very thing they claim to be protecting. Was
never happening, right, that they were so afraid of. Now
it is happening, and it's chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
It's almost like this is what they wanted the entire time.
Now's my time to shine.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Yeah, we're gonna come back and cleans our pounced as
much as as.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Possible because I'm numb.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Now. Yeah, well, I don't want to focus on this ship.
But it's real. I mean, we can't not talk about
it because it's happening. And the morons who have said
this bullshit is logical to begin with are the ones
who have created this situation. They've created that which they

(01:59:50):
said should be feared. None of this was happening. The
problem has never been trans people, never been trans people
the problem, Michelle, We'll bear it back and we are back.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
I feel like I can't cleanse our palettes without cleansing
our palettes. Queer and trans people have existed and will
exist forever and ever. Amen, And we are fucking magic.
And you know this is not the first time in
the checkered history of our country where people have been demoralized, nope,

(02:00:53):
demean nope, and erased. The question is whether we're going
to keep letting it happen, That's the question. And you
know they've targeted everyone before us. And I feel like
it's going to come back around on the hip parade,
and now they are targeting the smallest, most vulnerable minority.

(02:01:18):
So I guess we're going to find out who we
are as a nation, aren't we? M M Yeah. It
is the start of Pride Month. It yields and I'm
gonna keep talking, how about you?

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
Eh?

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
You know that? All right? Then? I see Quenta Bronson Brunson, right, Brunson, Yes,
is being honored with a mural at the Alma mater
that inspired Abbott Elementary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
This was last week Philly may Or Cherrelle Parker gave
Quinta Burnson a key to the city at a ceremony
that was dedicating a mural at Bronson's alma mater at
Andrew Hamilton's school.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Her parents and siblings were in attendance, along with Joyce Abbott,
who is the teacher who inspired the name of the
show's fictional school.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Right. So.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
The mural is called Blooming Features and was created by
artists Athena Scott with input from Brunson and Hamilton's students
and staff.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Oh I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
It's brightly colored depictions of real people from the school
wrap around the outside of the school's red brick facade.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
Brunson described taking inspiration from the murals painted along her
subway route as a kid, especially when she saw one
of her own teachers featured. She says, she hopes this
mural has the same effect. Why do I get the
feeling she's talking about the one in broad and Spring Garden,
which is one of my favorites in the whole city.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
It's a great mural, it really really is. This is fun.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
Yeah, Initially there was a version that she vetoed because
they wanted to have depictions of folks from the show
on the wall, and she was like, no, no, no, it has
to be real people because we got to give We
want to see ourselves. We don't need to see more
famous people on the wall.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Good.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
Good for her, Good for her.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
Yeah, she said, you don't need to see famous people
on the wall. You need to see you on the
wall painted beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
We are beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
It makes a difference. It made a difference for me.
So I know, even if it makes a difference with
just one child, that one child matters.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
Okay, go here girl. So when I mentioned this has
been a week full of divas, I was first talking
about Dominique Jackson. I was also including Quinta Bronson in that. Yes,
good on her. I love that story. Ain't none of
us gone nowhere while this nation is going insane. We're

(02:03:46):
all still here. We're just saying, speaking of divas, speaking
of divas, Jesus fucking Christ. Patti Lapoone did an extended
interview in the New.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
York This story developed as I was as I was
putting it in the fucking note.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
There are so many articles here, I don't even know
which one to open first. She ran her mouth she
was wont to do sometimes she made some unfortunate comments.
Go ahead, I mean characterized it as you will, really,
you know, I mean I am a fan of patt

(02:04:23):
not okay, stuff always have been. She intimated like some
feud or she said Audra McDonald was not a friend.
First of all, I think there might be a little
jealousy there because Audre is celebrated three times over or something.
And Audra McDonald basically said, yeah, I don't know what
she's talking about. If there's a riff between us, I

(02:04:46):
don't know what it is. Class personified.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
Yeah, See, Patty Lapone has always been an outspoken personality,
and that's one of the reasons why I have been.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
A fan of hers. Right, hmmm, we went far. This
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
Just felt like it was being unnecessarily bitchy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
Okay, and I I'm not I'm not disagreeing that point at.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
All, because Okay, so she was doing the interview for
what was there, The New Yorker. Yeah, she was doing
the interview for The New Yorker, and they asked her
about Audra McDonald's job. What kind of job Augie McDonald's
doing in Gypsy?

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
The fabulous flawless performance. We saw it, we loved it,
go say it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
Yes, I squeed, I laughed, I cried exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
You know, I'm better than I've ever seen it done.
I'm sorry, right, better than ever? Right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
So Patty's answer to the question was to like fetch
a dramatic sigh and then look out the window and go,
what a beautiful day?

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Right? Like why? Why? What? Damn? And right? Why? Indeed?
And again maybe it was to be funny. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
There's no way that one BITCHI.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
Okay, I mean it sounds bitchy, but it also sounds
jealous to me. Well that's what I'm hearing. Okay, that
could be the root of the bitchings. Yeah, I'm hearing
an ego that you know. And then she can't say
you can't say bad shit about that performance for real.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Though, And then Kisha Lewis had to like catch astray because.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Apparently she referred to herself at some point as what
a Broadway veteran would she veteran? Just forty years? I
think I heard that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
Well, Keisha has been in like something like ten shows.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
Okay, how old is she? Am? I? I thought I
saw something that said she's been around forever, just not
as many shows perhaps, And I believe she's been on
Broadway for forty years. I think that counts right, So
I'm I'm sorry. You know she's fifty nine. Patty Lapoone

(02:07:03):
is seventy six. She played Rose in two thousand and eight, right,
uh huh yeah, which, like I said, that sounded a
little kind of bitch. She jealous?

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
Yeah, so she's like saying, like so, Keisha Lewis referred
to herself as a Broadway veteran, which is true because
she's been in the game for forty years on Broadway,
and Patty Lapone took it upon herself to say, here's
the problem. She calls herself a veteran. Let's find out
how many Broadway shows Keisha Lewis has done because she

(02:07:34):
doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. She's done
seven and I've done thirty one. Don't call yourself a
vet bitch?

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Is it actually ten or seven?

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Yeah? How many? I thought it was ten?

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
How many Broadway shows has Kisha Lewis been in? Is
an answer from linkoland dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Oh four, hm hmm, Then maybe it is only seven Big.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
River in eighty five, Once on This Island in nineteen ninety,
Leap of Faith in twenty twelve, and Hell's Kitchen in
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
Yeah, but why did she say seven? Then maybe that's
where she was a lead. Here's my problem. Well, let's
get to the whole story and then I'll get to Okay,
so she called herself a veteran, right, but you know
that her presence on Broadway spans forty years, right, no
matter how you slice it, right, perhaps not as many shows,

(02:08:29):
perhaps not as many opportunities, Patty, let's get real.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
Oh yeah, because I saw someone wrote a piece and
basically they said, white privilege is being able to sit
and criticize two of the very few black lead actors
on Broadway, comparing your record to theirs, ignoring the lack
of opportunities for some people over others. Yeah, some could say,

(02:08:57):
you know, white privilege is is giving up your SAG
card and still being offered and taking offers for Broadway shows.
But you know, sure you got a mouth, go ahead
say more shit like but if we say this to you,
then you get an attitude.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
She also called Kesha Lewis a bit.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
Yeah, you get to call her first of all, you
get to be interviewed in the New Yorker and you
have to talk shit about not one, but two black
actors in the same field as you, okay, and calling
them out their name like that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
It's not cute. I didn't say it was.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
I'm not saying you did. I'm saying it's not cute.
And I'm saying this as a person who was a
fan of pad Lapone.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
This shit ain't cute. It is not. One Friday, and
open letter signed by more than five hundred artists called
her out for deeply inappropriate and unacceptable public comments. A
lot of names on you know among the signers, and
the letter stated that its purpose was not to shame

(02:10:00):
or isicoate, but to call for accountability, justice, and respect
rooted in love for the art form and for the
people who make it possible. This mascific specifically called out
Lapone's remarks about Lewis, who won, by the way, this
year's Tony Word for the twenty twenty four production of

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the musical Hell's Kitchen that Camille choreographed. That Camille Brown choreographed.
In the article, Lapoone said Lewis was mistaken to call
herself a Broadway veteran and that she didn't know what
the fuck she was talking about. She then referred to
her as a bitch. Referring to a black woman and

(02:10:43):
a forty year veteran of the American stage as a bitch.
This language is not only degrading and misogynistic, it is
a blatant act of racialized disrespect. Yep it described Lapone's
comments not just as bullying and harassment, by as emblematic
of the microaggressions and abuse that people in the industry

(02:11:04):
have endured for far too long, too often without consequence.
She was also chided for publicly attacking a woman who
has contributed to this art form with such excellence, leadership,
and grace, and to discredit the legacy of Audre MacDonald,
the most nominated and awarded performer in Tony Award history,

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is not simply a personal offense. It is a public
affront to the values of collaboration, equity, and mutual respect
that our theater community claims to upholt.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
And that's probably part of it. She's mad that it
wasn't her. This the most nominating.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Well, I think that might be a part of this.
The letter said, let us be clear, there's about more
than one person. It is about a culture, a pattern,
a persistent failure to hold people accountable for violent, disrespectful,
or harmful behavior, especially when they are powerful or well known.
No artists, producer, director, or leader, regardless of legacy or celebrity,

(02:12:04):
should be allowed to weaponize their platform to belittle, threaten,
or devalue others without consequences, period. Okay. And then, of
course they called for the American Theater Wing to disinvite
Patti Lapone from the Tony Warts. Now she apologized, She apologized,

(02:12:27):
and I okay, that's what this is what they asked for.
They asked her to look deep into her soul and
hold herself accountable. Okay. On Saturday the thirty first, a
day after the letter, this is what she said. For

(02:12:49):
as long as I have worked in the theater, I
have spoken my mind and never apologized. That is changing today.
I am deeply sorry for the words I used during
the New Yorker interview, particularly about Keisha Lewis, which were
demeaning and disrespectful. I regret my flippant and emotional responses

(02:13:10):
during this interview which were inappropriate, and I am devastated
that my behavior has offended others and has run counter
to what we hold dear in this community. I hope
to have the chance to speak to Odra and Keisha
personally to offer my sincere apologies. I wholeheartedly agree with

(02:13:31):
everything that was written in the open letter shared yesterday.
From middle school drama clubs to professional stages, theater has
always been about lifting each other up and welcoming those
who feel they don't belong anywhere else. I made a mistake.
I take full responsibility for it, and I am committed
to making this right. Our entire theater community deserves better.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Forgive me for thinking that sounds like it was ghost
written by her publicist.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
But okay, I'll she apologized, she'd care who wrote it.
I am.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
We'll see what happens next.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
Okay, I'm just gonna put this little kerfuffle among divas arguably,
and it's actually not among them. She started it, she did,
she said it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
And it would be different if she didn't also have
that little thing she had last year when she was
talking about how Hell's kitchen was too loud, which because
it's a black musical. It just felt too much like
turn that jungle music down. I'm sorry, that's just.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
How I mean. I think that's what you heard. That's
it's just you, right, But I don't know that that's
what she said. I'm not saying. That's what she said
was the music was so loud that it was permeating
the walls into the show she was.

Speaker 2 (02:14:56):
In, right, and when she said that, fine, I believe that,
but it was like every time anyone mentioned Hell's Kitchen
to her, then it's too loud.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
I know, I'm saying it, just I do know that,
all right, go ahead, I'm sorry, I do know that.
I mean. I'm gonna put this in the context of
all the other horseshit we just read, okay, and I
want to put this in the context of bet fucking
Middler okay, because she didn't just go after one or
two other women in an ugly and disrespectful manner. She

(02:15:33):
went after the entire trans community publicly, and when called out,
she doubled down. There was no apology forthcoming, there was
no introspection, there was no soul searching. And you'll recall,
my little voice had shit to say and I stayed

(02:15:58):
out of the comment section. I was a sniper because
I wasn't going to read everything that got said about me.
And that was the last tweet you twatted. It was
for just standing up and saying, you know, all she
had to do was get herself educated and come back
and say I'm going to do better. But she couldn't
be bothered. Patty Lapone responded swiftly addressed the behavior and

(02:16:24):
said she wants to make it right. What else can
she do besides go away, just go the fuck away
and disappear and never speak again, and wants to see
I don't know what everyone wants. I just know that

(02:16:44):
she did respond and say I fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
I will say that I do believe that as a person,
Patty Lapone's heart is firmly planted in the right place.
I think she just forgot herself and she thinks her
shit don't sting, and it caught.

Speaker 1 (02:17:04):
Up with her, and you know, shows crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
You know, she's been fabulous for so long. She thinks
she can get She thought she can get away with
saying what she.

Speaker 1 (02:17:16):
Want to suggest. It's entirely easy to be a woman
in show business for all these years. I's not assume
that she ain't had a road to hoe. But it
doesn't make this okay, right, but it also doesn't make
it worse, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
Like, like, I'm not trying to say Paty Lopone ain't
shit and she ain't worse.

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
She thinks she thought it was a bitchy woman thing
and did not consider the other ramifications involved. I don't
think she even thought about it. And again, I think
the odder thing is just ego like right, because you
know what.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
Like, I'm not sitting here saying I think Patty Lapone
is a racist or nothing. Like, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:56):
What she she behaved like one, right, I got that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
I think she is a highly privileged white woman who
forgot herself and forgot where she is, who she's next to,
who she's among.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
She is now, you're right, a highly privileged white woman.
She wasn't born into privilege. She was Northport, Patty. We
know this we're talking about now, Yeah, but this is
not Donald Trump who was born somewhere between third base
and home plate and still managed to suck it up.

(02:18:29):
This is somebody who created their own career u talent privilege,
and now she is but yeah, since she's always had
that You're right, thank you, That's all I'm saying. And
she's also been a woman in show business.

Speaker 2 (02:18:42):
Okay, two things gonna be true at the same time.

Speaker 1 (02:18:47):
Yes, And I think my larger question is, now, what
are we going to give her grace? Are we going
to allow the possibility that this is sincere? Well, that's
what I'm saying. She got called, she was checked.

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
This is what she.

Speaker 1 (02:19:07):
Didn't double down like bet, she didn't dismiss it, like
how dare you? She said?

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
My personal stance is I think that statement, whether it
was sincere or not, was co written, if not fully written,
by her publicist. And I am willing to give the
grace of seeing what happens next.

Speaker 1 (02:19:28):
Okay, I'm not sure everyone is.

Speaker 2 (02:19:30):
Well, I'm I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
I think we're going to see, you know, what happens,
and I'm not set. I'm just that's how I'm looking
at it, Like, ok, I mean acknowledged that was some bullshit.
That was some bullshit that came out of your mouth.
And enough already, right, a little too much. She didn't

(02:19:56):
thank god, she didn't blame she didn't say she was misquoted, right,
she did not say that, I would imagine she's feeling
pretty embarrassed, if not burning mad. But probably I'm weekly
embarrassed because she said it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
Right, I'm willing to see what happens. I mean, because
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
She's still in the city fucking laponem. But she doesn't
want this to be her legacy either, right, I mean,
you know, and she's not stupid. How many people have
we seen sort of help cancel themselves? What's his name,
Michael Richards comes to mind. Yeah, she's been a legendary talent.

(02:20:37):
She's done We can argue she has not worked hard.

Speaker 2 (02:20:40):
She's done too much advocacy work and spoken too loudly
on the right side of history for me to think
like that she as a person is this horrible person.
I'm not saying that at all, but I am saying
this was fucked up, and I'm going to say it's
fucked up. And I know that she has this big

(02:21:03):
ass ego, which is why I said this was written
by her publicisn't like sign it, bitch, sign it and
read it?

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
I don't Okay, Well, I mean that's projection. I don't
know that that's what happened. Okay, I would assume she
had say over the final draft because her name is
at the bottom, So whether she drafted it or just
approved it, I don't know. I know that it's a
full throat apology. Remember what happened at Eye Candy. Remember

(02:21:30):
when someone advised that jackass and then he came back
and had an apology and it was worse and word dude,
remember all that?

Speaker 2 (02:21:39):
Well, like that actually was written by a publicist.

Speaker 1 (02:21:42):
It was, but it was not a well paid one
because Dave was made at one hundred times worse.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
I don't know what they used to write it, because
it was before chat GPT, but it was smacked of
it and right.

Speaker 1 (02:21:56):
And it was almost like you ain't got no friends.
I mean, it was like Trump walking up the steps
of Air Force one with a big piece of toilet
paper on this shoe, past all that marines. They do
not respect you, sir. If they did, somebody would have
stepped on the toilet pap before you went up the stairs.
With photographers all around.

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
Oh, sidebar, sidebar. We were at the Quality Ball and
all the bathrooms were gender neutral, so everyone was in
the bathroom and I was washing my head survived, Yeah,
I was washing my hands and there was this lovely
woman to my left who was drying her hands, and
I was checking out her outfit because she was fabulous.

(02:22:36):
And I looked down and saw she had toilet paper
sticking to her the heel of her left shoe, and
I just went left shoe and she was like, what
I said, left shoe. She looked down, she was like, oh,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:22:47):
Well, yeah, that's what we do. We're human.

Speaker 2 (02:22:51):
I'm sorry that just popped in my head and you
said toilet paper go ahead, right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:56):
Yeah, I'm just like in this world that we're living
in right now. Because I encourage people to have grace,
It's part of what I do. Sometimes it's hard, but
you know when we go off course and we talk
about like every every politician that was against marriage equality before,

(02:23:18):
they were for it, okay, but they got on board,
Like I, yes, I hear you. They should have been
saying that shit all along. I know they were, you know,
putting their finger in the political wins. But how long
do we hold a grudge. I mean, we can hold
our breath waiting for utopia, but you know, when we

(02:23:41):
leave a vacuum, this is then what we create, right,
And that's the thing I'm not telling me this is
fucking better. I'm not holding a grudge against the shit
we talked about it. This is what we create.

Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
Yeah, I know, I'm not holding a grudge against Pelopon.
I'm willing to wait and see what happens next and
we will go from there. But I said what I.

Speaker 1 (02:24:02):
Said, you know, could is there space that a obviously wealthy,
obviously talented, storied, careered, seventy six year old performer said
some shit she deeply regrets, checked herself and doesn't want

(02:24:23):
to leave it there. Doesn't you know? It was fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
I'm sure she'll do something to her ego.

Speaker 1 (02:24:30):
Is do we is it possible we leave room for that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:34):
I'm sure she'll do something good at some point in
the near future. Like I'm not, She's like I said,
she's still paid lapone. She's done what she's done, and
she will continue to do what she does. You know,
I'm just that she really fucked up this time.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
Well, we'll see, We'll see if she does. We'll see
who knows.

Speaker 2 (02:24:52):
Like, you know, I the same person who opens her
mouth and says this kind of shit, is the same
person open her mouth and says the good ship too,
So you know, you take the good, you take the bad,
You're taken both and there you have the facts of life.

Speaker 1 (02:25:06):
Yeah, who was the time? Who was the six feet
underguy who was ultimately Dwight Shrewd in the office, but
before he was that, he was the under Rain Wilson.
I remember saying some problematic shit at some point.

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
We took the long way around to get through Rain Wilson.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
Yeah, sorry about that, It's okay. And we got there
and then you know, came back and said my bad,
Like I went and educated myself. I didn't know what
I was saying. I spoke out of ignorance, and I'm
really sorry for it. And I believe that apology. I
do too, And you know, that's what Bet should have done.

(02:25:49):
And I was a huge fan. I know I was
too until that moment, but I just I guess that's
what I'm wondering, Like what comes out of this? I
don't know, but our we're going to like stone her,
she fucked up, but are we going to look at
everything and say, you know what, often we love the

(02:26:10):
fact that she's a diva, and this time it wasn't okay.

Speaker 2 (02:26:15):
Yeah, I don't know that people are calling her to
be canceled.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
But we're allowed to be a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:26:21):
I didn't say.

Speaker 1 (02:26:24):
I didn't say, we don't get to be mad. I said,
I wonder what comes next. I just wonder is there room?
Is there grace? Disgrace exists anymore? I don't even know,
you know, because I know it needs to.

Speaker 2 (02:26:39):
Like I have said this many times, and I probably
said it more than once on this on this microphone.

Speaker 1 (02:26:44):
It is possible to.

Speaker 2 (02:26:49):
Say or do something that is racist, sex, is homophobic, transphobic,
et cetera, and not to be a racist, homophobe, transphob
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (02:26:58):
Et cetera. It is possible, yes, because you.

Speaker 2 (02:27:01):
Didn't realize the impact of what you were saying or
whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
Right, we hope that once you know better, you do better.

Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
Correct Once we tell you that what you did or
said was racist, homophobic, transphort, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Yeah, maybe don't argue and you do it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:15):
Again right now, knowing now you are a racist, homophobe,
transphobit right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:22):
And I think you know the whole thing with the
sound and the whatever. Let's just assume that was all
that was there was to it. Like she was just
appalled that you know, the sound was carrying. That was
her being a diva into another show. That was diva behavior.
She stepped over the line when she made it personal
with the act that part like that was bullshit, right,

(02:27:46):
you know. And it was a little county when she
wouldn't sign the program from the other show too, but whatever, right, yeah,
but it was diva behavior until it got person and
all right, now you're diminishing an actress. It's one thing
to set you know, like the other and people I

(02:28:09):
think gave her the benefit of doubt when it was
just like about sound carrying, right, But not so when
now you're going after someone who had nothing to do
with the sound.

Speaker 2 (02:28:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:28:20):
She did win a fucking tony though, And you want
to diminish, right, how many years? And are we a community?
Are we not well? Right? And not respect the fact
that maybe she has only had four to seven roles
in forty years. Think about it, Patty, think about that.

(02:28:40):
You think you were just that much better or were
you that much wider? Well? And thank god for Audre
whose talent is so huge, right, she's been able to
break some break some glass and keep going and be
celebrated and you know, she didn't get to do that

(02:29:05):
by being in a complete fucking diva because that was
not possible.

Speaker 2 (02:29:09):
Right, She's still being black, just don't always have the better,
the privilege of being a diva.

Speaker 1 (02:29:17):
She'd been nothing but Claire Huxtable this whole fucking time,
thank you, because mm hmm right, so think about that
too before you can, like, come on, she has, she has,
She has gathered more flowers than you. She has, and
not for nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
If the track of Audrey's career had been a bit
more black, this would be a different conversation. And that's
not shade at Audre.

Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
No, it's not. But she was able to, you know, yeah,
take some rolls that like Rose, own it and change
it up and make it her own because she has
an enormous talent and it ain't just that voice, but

(02:30:09):
god damn that voice, right, God damn that voice. I
mean it was I'm sorry, but she deeply respects her
craft and she has a deep talent. I don't know
how many. I don't know. If Patty stopped the show

(02:30:33):
with the eleven o'clock number like Audre did, I don't know.
I'm sure she's heard about it, and probably not or
else maybe we wouldn't be so tight right now. But
Audrew did stop the fucking show and it wasn't even over.
Couldn't had to wait for people to stop clapping and
sit down so he can continue. Yeah, because it was

(02:30:54):
that powerful and we were people. It was that powerful,
It was that deep a connect. It was that she
gets the theater. She knows what I mean, so does Patty.
But I'm saying that was such a moment you couldn't
stay seated mm hmm. And we weren't even done. So

(02:31:21):
there's probably a little Dallas. There's probably a little I'll
say whatever the fuck I want. Oh wait a minute,
I can't say whatever the fuck I write, because that
just came off as country and she was probably relaxed,
and she was probably trying to be a little funny,
you know, like you know how you do, and then
you get misquote, not not misquoted. He gets hand it

(02:31:45):
back to you, and it's like, oh, all right, I
think she'll be fine no matter what. But again, it's
a moment to watch only because someone finally did acknowledge
their bullshit like everyone doesn't like and god knows, our

(02:32:08):
government doesn't acknowledge their own bullshit. Right, they're not going
to tell you they're lying to you, but they keep
lying to you. They're not gonna you know, like this
is what we're living in. And so by contrast, I
hope there's room. Right anyway, that's enough of the deals.

(02:32:29):
We've had a lot of deal with stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:32:30):
So the American Music Awards were this past week.

Speaker 1 (02:32:35):
Yes, and we watched well I did, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32:40):
I watched it at work, which and I watched it
after the fact, which meant that I could fast forward
through it, which I recommend if you haven't seen it yet.
It's streaming on Paramount Plus. I fast forward to the highlights.

Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
What are the highlights?

Speaker 2 (02:32:55):
Well, for one thing, j Lo did an opening uh
Dan Medley of all the songs that were like the
the songs.

Speaker 1 (02:33:04):
Of the year, and she shook that ass. She she
could still dance, can't she? She?

Speaker 2 (02:33:10):
It was flawless. She is my age, she is fifty
five fifty close enough. But you know what, I have
no note.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
She killed it. That's she she's keeping it. Was fabulous.
She keeps using it, so she ain't losing it, right.

Speaker 2 (02:33:28):
And I will note though that the reason why she
had to do a medley of these songs because none
of the motherfuckers were there. Oh hardly anybody that was nominated.
Was there? A lot of There was a lot of
awards accepted via video or via satellite.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
Okay, yeah, huh, Like, I don't know what that was about.

Speaker 2 (02:33:51):
Well, I mean, a lot of the people are currently
on tour, so actually that's what that's about.

Speaker 1 (02:33:55):
Under anthro Grammys.

Speaker 2 (02:33:57):
Right, let's see, Sis. Sissa was there. She won basically
everything R and B she got. I'm not a huge
fan of Scissor's music. I think it's I call it
R and B for people that don't want to work
that hard, Okay, but.

Speaker 1 (02:34:14):
I like her. I like her a lot, so I'm
glad she won Artists of the Year. The winner was
Billie Eilish.

Speaker 2 (02:34:21):
Yes, Billie Eilish won Artist of the Year.

Speaker 1 (02:34:24):
Up against Ariana Grande, Chapel Roone, Kendrick Lamar, Morgan walland
Post Malone, Sabrina Carpenter, Sissa Taylor Swift, and Zach Bryant.
So Artists of the Year. Billy.

Speaker 2 (02:34:39):
It's an interesting but you know what, I love Billy Eilish.
I have not listened to her newest album because it's like,
remember how I said I love her albums except when
she does those slow ass sad ass maudelin ass ballads.
This album is like nine.

Speaker 1 (02:34:58):
Yeah, well it won Best Album.

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
Apparently those modeling ass sad ass ballads are really good.
I trust her to be good.

Speaker 1 (02:35:05):
I just I don't. I can't. I just She also
won Song of the Year with Birds of a Feather,
which I haven't heard. I love Billy Olish.

Speaker 2 (02:35:13):
Congratulations to her.

Speaker 1 (02:35:15):
Was she there or was she on satellite or some shit?

Speaker 2 (02:35:17):
She was not there?

Speaker 1 (02:35:19):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:35:19):
Oh, but speaking of says that she could not have
looked less interested.

Speaker 1 (02:35:26):
She was just like whatever. Collaboration of the Year Lady
Gaga and Bruno Mars for Die with a Smile. Social
Song of the Year was Doci with Anxiety.

Speaker 2 (02:35:38):
Yeah, because that blew up on the internets.

Speaker 1 (02:35:40):
Okay. Favorite touring artist again, Billie Eilish. Favorite music video
Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars with a Smile. I haven't seen.
For some reason, I have not either.

Speaker 2 (02:35:51):
I know it's a thing I just have. I don't
see things like that unless I like make a point
of looking.

Speaker 1 (02:35:57):
Mail pop artist Bruno Marris.

Speaker 2 (02:36:00):
Gwen'stefani performed don't care. Janet Jackson won was given the
Icon Award, and she gave her first television performance in
seven years and it was fierce. And if you would
have told me she was thirty five, I believe you
she is fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (02:36:19):
Did you see who I know? She's my age. Yeah.
Did you see who won Favorite Female Country Artists? You
know folks still man? Uh huh?

Speaker 2 (02:36:30):
The Beyonce of it all?

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
Uh yeah, yes, lord? And Favorite Country Album by the way,
uh huh. Cowboy Carter, Cowboy Carter, so as it should.

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
Be white folks is mad. But speaking of the countrywards,
I believe the category was Best Country Duo or Group.
And Shaboozie, who was nominated for Best New Artist. He's
an up and coming when the up and he's a
currently you know, rising star in the country world, was

(02:37:04):
on Beyonce's album. He was presenting with Megan Moroney, who
I have no idea who she is, and they were
first of all, they were reading the hell out of
that telepromp the child but anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
About it. Yeah, I took a screenshot. It was so perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:37:22):
Megan Morony said something about she was They were acknowledging
the influences of country music, and she said the Carter
family who basically invented country music. And he gave her
the and it was like a blink if you like,
you'll miss it if you blink, but it was the

(02:37:43):
deepest side eye. And then he caught himself and realized,
you know, you are still on camera. But I backed
it up and caught a picture.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
Because because child, they were right appropriation, y'all, okay, whatever, yeah,
I mean, but yeah, they basically invented was that was
a lot to say, Yeah, that was a lot to say.

Speaker 2 (02:38:13):
What else did I.

Speaker 1 (02:38:15):
I'm looking at some of the fashion Jesus parents, if
you can call it that.

Speaker 2 (02:38:21):
I was taking notes as I was watching. I say,
who were these uptight white bitches acting like they're too
cool to be that close to Janet?

Speaker 1 (02:38:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
So Janet was performing and she went out into the
audience and she was like dancing like in the audience,
and there was these two chicks that were just like
looking at each other and acting like, you.

Speaker 1 (02:38:37):
Know, like, oh, she's close to me. I'm like, bitiness,
Jana Jackson, you better get your life.

Speaker 2 (02:38:44):
Gloria Astefhan was given a Lifetime Achievement Award and she
performed a medley of her classic songs and her new song,
and it's Fears. She's sixty seven and is rocking it.
And as she's singing, j Lo's in the audience dancing
with Gloria's husband Emilio. It was very cute. I enjoyed

(02:39:08):
that they gave Rod Stewart a Lifetime Achievement award. He's eighty.
He came out and performed, damn, and he was performing like,
you know, for an eighty year old. He was putting
this thing down. He did a really really really really
really long version of Forever Young that like spanned like

(02:39:30):
there was like violinists and it was all this stuff
going on. I fast forwarded through it, and the reason
why I know it was long is because everything else
I fast forward on two times of speed and it
was just like one, two three, A right next it
one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
Why is this still going? God, damn, this song ain't

(02:39:51):
that long?

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
Well? Is this your last performance? You're trying to get it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:55):
All with me?

Speaker 1 (02:39:57):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (02:39:58):
But that being said, for one thing, he looked good
and he still is doing the thing, and he deserved
the lifetime achievement word. All right, I'm not him.

Speaker 1 (02:40:08):
He's been around a long time, long time.

Speaker 2 (02:40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40:12):
Those were those were my highlights. Okay, so not the Grammys.

Speaker 2 (02:40:17):
Not the Grammys.

Speaker 1 (02:40:17):
Yeah, and we watched pee Wee Herman, the pee Wee
Herman documentary, well.

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
Documentary pee Wee as himself.

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
It was so good.

Speaker 2 (02:40:28):
It was good and very bittersweet. Yeah, he had such
a meteoric and dynamic career, but he couldn't really enjoy
it all because he was closeted for most of it,
and he felt that he had to have the career.

Speaker 1 (02:40:43):
Yeah, and I didn't realize how out he was before
he then closeted himself in order to have Yeah, and
that was sad. It was sad.

Speaker 2 (02:40:51):
He had a boyfriend that he loved, he was, you know,
living an artist's life, but he not enough.

Speaker 1 (02:41:00):
Yeah. And then Yeah, and I feel like they did
a good job trying to, you know, put the charges
against him in context. Yeah, because when you look at this,
it's like, Wow, that was some bullshit, and it was
it was you know, like the if it wasn't but

(02:41:21):
which she says he was not. But you know, that
whole movie house thing blown out of proportion. And then
the thing with the pornography was just.

Speaker 2 (02:41:30):
Because I remember because I vaguely remembered hearing something about
quote unquote child pornography and I was like, oh, man, really,
And then like the more I looked into I was like, hmm,
that doesn't sound And then I looked like he had
was like vintage, right, not even porn like that that

(02:41:51):
stuff that used to be.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
I mean, some of it was a little porn, but
you know, the vintage porn of it all was you know,
the nudest magazines and bodybuilder magazine and all that kind
of stuff. And he had a formidable collection that you
might see in any museum.

Speaker 2 (02:42:07):
Right, and none of it was was childborn. Like. Basically,
he conceded to like one misdemeanor count of the obscenity
or something right, obscene materials to make it stop, right,
And that's a shame and that's fucked up because that's
the kind of of allegation that leaves a stain on

(02:42:29):
your career even if it's not true.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
How dare a gay have a children's show, right, you know,
and be wildly famous doing it?

Speaker 2 (02:42:40):
Yeah, I didn't realize how long he'd been doing pee
Wee Herman as a character, and how avant garde it
was when it started, like that was some like late
night you know, Gonzo.

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
Theater shit at first, it really was.

Speaker 2 (02:42:59):
And they just refined it and refined it and refined
it until it became what we know.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
Yeah, he found his niche and then took off like fire. Yeah,
and with that character. And he had done so many
because he was part of the ground Links, the ground Links,
and yeah, had done so many different characters, but that
was the one that stuck. That stuck.

Speaker 2 (02:43:20):
He wrote it to the and the wheels didn't really
fall off of Pee Wee Herman, like the only thing,
like the second movie, Big Top Pee Wee that was
as far as I.

Speaker 1 (02:43:30):
Can remember, that's the one he took the most control of.
And that was the big flop, right, But that was.

Speaker 2 (02:43:35):
The only flop as far as Pee Wee Herman was concerned. Yeah,
because the movie that came out in what was it,
twenty sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
Yeah, was well received. Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:43:46):
And then they talked about the roles that he took
on that were not Pee Wee Herman. And that's the
part of his career that I personally loved. The most
like his role as the vampire he Sman in Buffy
the Vampire Slayer is my favorite role of his. Like
I said, best death scene ever. Like sometimes I go

(02:44:07):
and look up the death scene just to watch it
because it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (02:44:12):
Yep, yep, And uh, I mean he did continue a career.

Speaker 2 (02:44:16):
Yeah, his role as uh the hairdresser in in Blow
was amazing, right, Like he was a really fabulous actor.
And what was amazing, Like he didn't tell anyone involved
in the making of this documentary that he had cancer.

Speaker 1 (02:44:33):
No he didn't, because he died. Yeah, yeah he did. Well, Yeah,
he didn't tell them. So it doesn't end maybe as
they would have liked. But but it was well done.

Speaker 2 (02:44:51):
It was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:44:52):
I certainly know more about him than I did the
same and.

Speaker 2 (02:44:56):
I loved him more than I did, and that's saying something.

Speaker 1 (02:44:59):
Yeah, it was. It was definitely worth watching.

Speaker 2 (02:45:01):
So it's streaming on on HBO Max.

Speaker 1 (02:45:03):
So I definitely recommend absolutely, And and Hacks had one
too many episodes. Yeah, we thought we had seen the finale,
the finale, and there was one more, and I I.

Speaker 2 (02:45:20):
It was kind of Yeah, the penultimate episode was more
of a satisfying finale.

Speaker 1 (02:45:25):
Than it was. And I mean, yeah, the finale is okay.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:45:33):
Okay, because like the the next to the last episode,
I was like, damn, how the fuck are they going
to get out of this one?

Speaker 1 (02:45:41):
Gotta wait till next season? And then I thought and
then it was like.

Speaker 2 (02:45:44):
The actual finale was like, oh, well, I guess they're
gonna have to get out of this one. I guess
we'll have to wait until next thing, which is not
what I think they were looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:45:54):
It was. It was.

Speaker 2 (02:45:57):
Interesting, but that's what episodes in four seasons that we
didn't care for.

Speaker 1 (02:46:03):
Yeah. It wasn't that I didn't care for pretty damn
good track record, right, It was just I really thought
where things were left was where it was gonna. That
was the cliffhanger. Yeah, and then yeah we had one more, right,
but I think the one more was the one more? Yeah,
so it bees with a Bee show truly. Yeah, I

(02:46:26):
got nothing left me neither. I think it's time for
how about some podcasts?

Speaker 2 (02:46:30):
But yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (02:46:32):
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Over so Pride Month begins.

Speaker 2 (02:48:02):
Hmmm, I'm tired already.

Speaker 1 (02:48:04):
I am too. I am too, but thanks for sticking
with us, and we appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (02:48:13):
We do.

Speaker 1 (02:48:14):
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