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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanta
jug Wine and the find out phase of November is

(00:38):
fucking around.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior, and.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the first episode
of Full Circle the Podcast in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Charl let's buckle in. Okay, how you doing, baby, I'm here, same,
I'm here, We're here. We're you know, we're fabulous. Don't
fuck with us.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, you know, it is what it is. We do
have a new patron, we do.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Jim is our most recent Hi Jim. Thank you for
the support.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, you're appreciated. Definitely. We have all kinds of stuff
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We do some good stuff, some very good stuff and
the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah. Yeah, speaking of shipwrecks, it was a Gilligos Island
reference there. I caught it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Look at you.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I was in PGN, Yes you were. I was profiled.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yes, in that good way, in that good way.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, they wrote a story. It was a twenty five
hundred word interview. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Then you realize how substantial.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I knew that that was substantial because I used to
write three and four hundred word articles, so I was
like twenty five word a law, right, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
It was a great profile. Thank you. You know, we're
going to put the link to that in the notes
of this episode.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Let's be sure to put that in the show notes.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
It was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Susie Nash is the reporter. We actually the columnist actually
at PGN, and we met while we were touring with
Nico with American Teenager, So that was a lovely surprise. Yeah, yeah,
it's fun. Oh you know what, I've got to say,
Happy New Year, baby, Happy it is. Indeed, somebody just

(02:40):
looked at me with such a look when I said
happy New Year. I went new Year, and they went.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, fair enough, Yeah I hear you. But you know what, no,
because I have decided, okay that for this year, my
plan is to move forward being as intentional, like good
and fabulous and positive as I can be, because the

(03:07):
alternative just like being angry and sad and depressed and
whatever like for what.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, I mean, I agree with you. You know, there's the
whole jack boots in the street thing that is a
little unsettling. But no, I get that we'll find out.
But yeah, no, I mean I think that's you know,
that's been the theme of the talking I've done since
November is, you know, we are stronger together. We are

(03:37):
stronger when we stand in community. We are stronger when
we stand up for one another as part of the
same community. Correct, I invite the other letters to join me.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I am by no means suggesting that I'm you know,
going to ignore what's going on, because I can't.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's timely capitalize the TA y'all.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Right, because you know, none of those letters are silent.
One of them should be.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And you know we've had a long and storied history
of dealing with one another throughout the acronym. And you
know what comes to me today is very likely to
come to you tomorrow. You know, let's let's us learn
something from history if no one else exactly cared to,

(04:22):
because it's you know, it's going to be interesting. We
know that as far as the electorate is concerned we're
not the priority. But god damn it, you know that's
this seems to be. They have such a hot nut
for us, and it's just incredible, It's truly breathtaking, like a.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Record number of new pieces of anti transit.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And now and now they get to play with fuck
around on the federal level. Eighty one Democrats joined them,
you know, in the National Defense Bill and Biden signed it.
So yeah, plenty of disappointment to go around right now.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I you know, you know, I really hope we
figure out at some point we're talking about human beings.
We are not talking about politics. We're talking about lives, right.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Not theoretical people either, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Not theoretical people. You don't know more than the doctors.
You don't know more than the expect you don't know
more than us about who we are. You know, I'm
just anyway sick of hearing it. We're still gonna have
to talk about a few things. But I think that's
why I'm surly. I'm just I know, and I'm over
here like let's just shine our light well, and you

(05:37):
know I'm working on that. I know, I shine my
light of a goddamn day I know you do. Yeah,
it's Sunday, it's one. I don't feel shiny. I do
not feel shiny.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh you know what I meant to tell you last
night when we went out, No, you look like money,
did I Your outfit and the hair and the jewelry
and the coat. I meant to tell you that you
looked like money.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it was just out to dinner with your sister.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But I know, thank you. My sister came to visit briefly,
and so we went out to dinner, and you know,
you got cute and but it was like.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Somebody spent a lot of money on those clothes. It
wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Hey, you wore them. You wore the right things in
the right combination at the right time. You looked good.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I just wanted to go on record as saying that,
and we're in front of a microphone, so now.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's thanks recorded for Pasterius. I tried it was your
sister drove all the way in from Pittsburgh and all
the first time she's done that in a very long
time by herself. Yeah, you know, we just lost her
brother in law, but she did. She made it all
the way east and We took her out to dinner,
and she spent the night and she's off to pick

(06:50):
up a friend in Philadelphia and drive back to Pittsburgh. So, yeah,
she's got a hole full. Was a nice though, it was.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's nice we got the chill.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, it was one of those days where I was
in the fancy clothes closet and I went, oh, that's
pretty right.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And it was the perfect end of the day because
I started the day at a funeral.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Right, Well, it's hard to be sad about the funeral
of one hundred and four year old person. Well true,
I mean not truly a celebration of life, because Granny
was one hundred and four, right, And it was not
grandmother really a.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Sad time, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It was a bittersweet, of course obviously, but.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well yeah, because she was you know, present and with us,
you know, in December, I mean she really was.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was chicken very literally, like she was here and
then she wasn't, right, Yeah, And she was loved by
so many people. A good friend's grandmom died at one
hundred and four, and she was loved by so many people,
and she loved so many people, and you know, I
had my moment where I said, no, thank you for

(08:02):
being so kind to me. And she was my baby.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
She was she was lovely, and she cooked up a store.
Yes odd I you know, I wonder if you added
up how many meals that woman served, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And how many times Miss Jay and I would be
like somewhere in the city and when we go, we're hungry,
you know what, Let's go see what Granny made. And
always something, always something. She was either getting ready to
make something, making something or just made something.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right right, always food, always food to pull out of
the fridge, or it's already on the stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
So that's how I started yesterday.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I do love them.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And then we had a nice visit, so it was
like a family day all around.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It was today's Sunday, January fifth. It is tomorrow sixth,
to rinse the taste of January sixth out of my mouth.
Joe Miller is being sworn in. Yes, yeah, that will
have already happened by the time this episode gets released.
But Joe is the first trans woman elected to partisan

(09:22):
office in the entire state of New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
And she'll be sworn in actually for the third time
to Woodbury's City council, very very close to here. She
was appointed initially to fill a vacant seat and then
she had to run and won in a special election
to finish the full that term. This is her first

(09:47):
full term, like three year term. Right that she's being
sworn in, and we've got a bunch of folks going because, yeah,
it's a moment, it's a moment, it's an important moment.
It's one to docum and show up in force because
these people that again think we are nothing but politics. Yeah,

(10:09):
all the children's genital fetishists, Yeah, who you know, fixate
so much on the lives of trans people and pretend
they're protecting children. That is the biggest joke of it all.
They're protecting children and women. No you're not right, No
you're not.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
You're not. That's that you do the opposite, thank you. Yes,
literally the definition of your words and your deeds doing
opposite things.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You aren't making anyone more safe, but you are teaching
your children to hate. So since that seems to be
the goal among the Christians, you know, whatever, I guess
we're gonna figure it out, right mm hmm. But anyway,
Joe's being sworning I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Again. This is our first official episode of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, right, because we released one last week, which was
an interview we had done like the week before or something.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
We released an interview with David Beck, who is a writer, director,
and star of a film that will be coming out
One of the Stars. Yeah, yeah, coming out at the
end of January.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, regarding us, regarding us, and it's really you know,
I'm excited about that film. Amazing representation and it's a
good story it is and it's not tragedy porn. I
liked it. I liked it a lot. We didn't even
get our Christmas trip until Christmas Eve, it's last Christmas
Day and Christmas Day because well that's you know, we've

(11:35):
been busy doing things that felt useful.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Right the week that we normally would have spent decorating,
we were spent touring an award winning journalist and author
on their fabulous.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Book, an amazing book, and getting it out in our area.
So I'm not I'm not up upset about that. The
house looks lovely. It's fine, you know, the tree is up.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
We had our lovely Uh Day brunch. Yes, that I
got to be off of work for Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
That was fun. It was fun. We had like forty
people come through if I counted, right, I think you're right.
I think I did. It was fun, lots and lots
of good food. We do brunch now because you know,
everyone we know is old. None of us go out
for New Year's Eve, so we're all awake, exactly, I
might as well be able to drive in daylight, right

(12:30):
and come and hang out.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I drank so much champagne.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
We didn't have much. Yeah, we had champagne, but we
had non alcoholic punch, and so because you know, it.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Was literally something for everyone, right, there.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Were some people having you know, Billini's and mimosas, which
was good.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's why we had them.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
But we also had I made sherbet punch. Yes, I
filled the punchba if we have a gorgeous crystal punch bowl,
and I thought, what the hell exactly, might as well
use it, bad boy, let's make some old school punch.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And it was lovely, even though there was sherbet in it.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
That's wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't like sherbet, although to be fair, to be fair,
I have not had sherbet since I was a little kid,
and when I had it, I was expecting ice cream
and it's not so I didn't like it when I
had it, but I've avoided it my whole life.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's slightly somewhere between a sorba and an ice cream, right.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So to be fair, I should try some.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Even taste my punch, not because I didn't want to.
People said it was still icious, That's what I heard.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I wasn't avoiding it. I just never got to
have any mm hmm. No, really, I was gonna.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Try it, but I think the other half chunk of
sherbet is in the freezer.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I'll try it.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
And yeah, well I don't think it's any I'm sure
my kind of throat in.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
There palette has expanded.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
It makes it cold, it makes it a little bit creamy.
It's just it adds another fruit flavor, but not really
creamy because it's you know, and it makes the fizzy's
fizz and right, I mean it was simple and there
was a bottle of vodka next to it, just in
case anyone just made it that part.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
But yeah, and my love of food, my love of
fruity desserts has expanded considerably since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Because I had lots of food.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, we did the best scones I've ever had in
my life.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
My girlfriend Jenny brought scones and clotted cream and lemon
curd and jam.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm sorry you didn't say scones and clotted cream and
jam and lemon curd gorgeous. You have to say it
like that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And they were delicious.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, we had a We had a ton of brunchy
food and I loosely, I Kathy and I repeatedly watched
The Family Stone and this Christmas.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You keep saying you and Caro love.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Actually, I mean you are there sometimes.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I love The Family Stone.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay, but you're not there every time I watch it. Well,
because I'm not always home anyway. I made the Morton
family strata from The Family Stone.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
My point is that's our movie, now, Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I made that. And I made Socker to Me cake,
which features prominently in this Christmas.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes, and I was. It was this year that I
learned that socket to Me cake is not this uh
recipe that's been passed down from generations of generations. At
this point, it has a black women.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Now. It's started in the sixties. I mean they passed
it down for a little while. But I because every
time in my life that I have encountered socket to
Me cake, it's been a black woman in my life
who had her.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Socket to Me cake. This time I made it. I
thought it was like one of those like recipes that
you know, came through like black folks throughout the years.
Come to front of it. It is.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
But since you know, late nineteen sixties when I think
the recipe was first printed on the back of Duncan
Hein's cake.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Right, that's what I'm saying. It came from Duncan Hines.
It didn't come from like.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
But that's part of the zeitgeist, that's part of our culture.
I mean, like there were recipes, right you know. Then
I learned as a child that that incorporated modern conveniences, right.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
My grandmother's keighley and aunt Lady's keighley was the best
I've ever had. And it was not fucking yeast. Oh.
It was like cream, cheese and flour and butter, and
it makes the best dough in the world, simple, simple, simple, right,
But you know that so those things evolve, right, I.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Was just interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was like, oh, look at me learning green bean
casserole was you know, trying to sell more Campbell's cream
and mushroom soup and what that did. I still love that, Okay,
I really do.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Like when I found out that that wasn't just something
that like came through the generations of white people.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, I mean it did, but right ever since it
was on the back of the cans, the French or
the French's onion cannas where I think that recipe might
have come from.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So the songa toomey cake is to black people what
the green bean castrole is to white people.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Maybe maybe, I mean, you know, I mean that, And
soccer toomy cake is basically bun cake, yes, where the
filling is pecans and cinnamon and brown sugar.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And it's nummy.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
It is, it's great. It's actually like a coffee cake, right,
and it is tasty.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean I and I have encountered enough black women
in my life that when I hear soccer toomy cake
immediately go mmmmmm.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That was delicious. No, So that was fun. I made
those made some caisa, yeah, that candied bacon. I was
just normally I don't even cook meat in this house.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
But I was like fucking the candy bacon, nothing, you know,
like whatever that I've bagged for it and got nine.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Of Well, it's not my fa I put it out.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I didn't say it was your fault where all the
other appetizers were. I turned my back for a full
four minutes. That was the problem. That was a pound
of bacon. I know I was the one because you
had said something about I was thinking of candied bacon.
I was like, oh, candy bacon. I never had it.
And then you were like or maybe I was like, no, no, no, no,
you can't just dangle candy bacon in front of me

(18:26):
and then say you're not doing it. I did it,
and you did, and then it hit the table and
I was like, okay, I got to make sure I
get one piece of that. And then I turned my
back and I turned back again.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
They cleaned that plate, you know they did. I wasn't
going to make more than a pound. No, you know,
it's like that.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Was probably the universe going that, you know, you didn't
need this way. And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
So the whole good luck for New Year's and God
knows we need it is always like cabbage or sour kraut,
pork and black eyed peace. So I made hop and
John and Rice vegan. Right, it was very good, big raves,
and the pork was the bacon, and and then I

(19:13):
made Hungarian We call it kappa sub, which is just
the word for cabbage. But I think anyway, Hungarian cabbage
and noodles, which is like hullishky with bacon for the
Polish people. But anyway, so I made that. So I
made the cabbage and that has bacon in it. And
so I made the pork, and I made the black

(19:36):
eyed peas. So we did everything we could to bring
in and that. But that's why I chose those dishes. Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
See, growing up in my house, it was always the
traditional New Year's meal was pork roast, collared greens, and
black eyed peas. I didn't do greens for health, money
and luck perspective. Of course, I skipped the money. Fuck
well that was what the shabbage was for.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, right, I white people do cabbage, I guess not always. Yeah,
I would have done greens. I just didn't. I just didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And I didn't beg for it. No you didn't, So
I mean I didn't think. But I made the hop
and John and we bought that can of glory greens too.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And you had that, Yeah, that would be quick. Yeah
whatever I didn't do. I didn't make a pot of greens,
but I made a whole thing of popping john and
rice and that was delicious.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So yeah, lots of food.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
And then Kathleen catered half the damn thing. So we
had begel. We had a begel tray, had smoked salmon
croissants that were getting were they I didn't have? They
were getting raves.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Those disappeared quick too, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
We had a muffin tray.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Because I didn't get a second smoked salmon, right.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
We had We had a French toast castle.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
That was very good, all kinds of dessert a.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Lot because mm hmmm, and brought because lacas and with
our cream and apple sauce and cranberry sauce.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Aunt Joan made me bowls.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
She made the appetizer and she walks and dismissing the food,
and everybody's like, what which made them taste it?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And they're like, these are actually good.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Exactly what a mountain they got eaten exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
But she was like let her fail.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I'm like, knock it off.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I believe, she said, I am an emotional cripple over
these appetizers. You know, drama. There was a lot of
drama in the room.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So all things can said, it was a very lovely
event with not much of that. Right when you consider
all the potential drama we had.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Right, A lot of queers, right, a lot of queers.
You put more than three queers in.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
A room, anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
The potential for drama increases three hundredfold.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And we had desserts and cookies, and you know, the
scones were outstanding, like it's just so much good food
and lovely people. It was a lovely day, lovely, lovely people.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Nice little cross section of humanity.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Absolutely absolutely, and they were all our and I realized, yeah,
at one point, I don't know, the four trans people
left in the house where we were all standing in
the kitchen like good tuck in the living room where
we're allowed to sit down. Why are we standing here
like we're segregated?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
There was It just happened because I was in the kitchen,
probably like cleaning something, and we just started keykeying and
the key key got extended maybe and no one left
until you.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, no, but there were still people in the living room.
But it was just I don't know, it was weird
and I was like, no, let's go in the living room.
We're allowed in there. It's my living room exactly. No,
it was. It was. It was good. There was good
conversation and lovely people, and there's where we need to
focus our time.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Exactly. That's my point.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Wow, you know somebody had to fiddle wall room burned,
might as well be. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
The important things are relationships and family and connections and
working together to move forward. And since we can't look
to the folks in quote unquote charge for that, we'll
do it our damnself.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, no, because the children are going to be back
in charge of our government, not the experts, but those
who you know, exploit our environment and you know, our
treasury for their own ends. That's what's happening. That's what
folks voted for apparently, so that's what's going to happen.
And watch the deficit triple Watch you know what's bigger
than a trillion? How many trillions do get before you

(23:39):
get up to a Google or something? Because you know,
watch right. Watch Anyway, let's just move on, because there's
dead people that we should talk about.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's our rip section first.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Of all, and you put them at the bottom, but
I want to bring him at the top. Jimmy Carter
left us at one hundred because he was looking at,
you know, the inauguration coming up on the calendar and went,
fuck this. Yeah, that's what I feel like happened. He
just went, now, I don't need one hundred and one.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I gave you all one hundred years and that's all
you go and get.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, there was a piece about his legacy with our folks,
you know. Obviously Nobel Peace Prize winner Georgia native passed
away on December twenty ninth. He left behind a legacy
of progressive values, racial advocacy, and early, though imperfect LGBTQ support.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
He was born in October first, nineteen twenty four and Cleans, Georgia. Yeah,
raised on his parents' peanut farm, and he died in
the same town in the house he and his wife,
Roslyn spent the majority of their lives.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
What A what A.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I used to say the reason he was a one
term president is because we just can't elect an honest
man under the presidency, not.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
At that level of.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Integrity. And you know, and I kind of back that
up because Obama certainly had a ton of integrity, and
I believe Joe Biden does too. But I'm just saying
there was just no sleeves on Jimmy Carter, and you're
such a sincere human and we couldn't take that. So
then we brought in, we ushered in, you know, all
of the dystopia we've experienced since nineteen eighty when we

(25:29):
brought in Saint Regan, and we're still paying for that.
And look where we are again today. I'm really not
Mary Sunshine today.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I notice. Sorry, oh Mary Sunstroke. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
At the DNC in nineteen seventy six, he disappointed advocates
when convention officials, at the request of the Carter campaign,
refused to include a gay rights plank as part of
the party's approved platform. They said it was too slow
to speak out again to Proposition six in nineteen seventy
eight in California, the ballot measure that would ban gay

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and lesbian individuals from working in public schools. People, none
of this is new right. Harvey Milk wrote a letter
to Carter calling on him to take a stand against
Prop six, and four months later Carter spoke out against
Prop six during a campaign speech in support of California
Democratic candidates. It was defeated by a vote of fifty

(26:26):
eight point four percent to forty one point five and that,
of course, was famously fueled by Nita Bryant. Oh. Yeah,
he lost around o Reagon in nineteen eighty amid economic
problems and the Iranian hostage crisis. And you know, I
don't know what do we call it a coincidence that

(26:47):
the hostages were released immediately after? Yeah? But he was
just a thoroughly good man. And this was a Christian,
This was someone who lived their values.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah. In two thousand and five, he told Sean Kennedy
at The Advocate that he was quote a worshiper of
Jesus Christ who never mentioned homosexuals in any way. He said,
I've never looked upon sexuality as any sort of reason
to condemn a person. I think it's an inherent characteristic,
just like other things that we do with their lives. Yep.

(27:20):
And then in two thousand and seven he called for
an end to Don't Ask, Don't Tell, calling it the
only law in America today that regulates a group of citizens.
Then prohibits them from identifying themselves and speaking up on
their own behalf. Yep, he was a very explicit supporter
of marriage equality. Yes, before over Fell and VI Hodges.

(27:44):
So you know he's been vocal consistently.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, I mean right, and many of them evolved, I mean,
God knows right, but yeah, exactly, and yeah, the list
goes on. But thoroughly, thoroughly decent human being.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, no one's perfect, but you know he got I think,
more right than he did wrong.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
The other person who died on the same day of
December twenty ninth Linda Lavin, who was eighty seven. I
loved her work. I loved Alice.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I did too.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh my god, I loved Alice. You know, she's been
in so many things I grew up on. I'm guessing
Rerun I must still possibly, yeah, because that was like
the yeah you were I don't think you remember, like
the seventies.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Or maybe like it was like the end of the
first run, but it was also syndicated.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Possibly, yeah, because that was Alice came out in like
nineteen seventy six, so I would have been one year old. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
How long did it run?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Like nine years? Yeah? Nine seasons?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Hmm, so until eighty five something like that. Okay, so yeah,
I was watching First Round episodes.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, I was just old, you know, obviously older
than you. But I loved Alice and and a lot
of the work she's done since then. She's still she
was still working quite recently. Apparently she had a lung
cancer diagnosis and did not last very long. Yeah but yeah,
what a what a what a phenomenal actress, what a
what a storied resume? Yeah, you know, Broadway, et cetera.

(29:24):
Just yeah, so, and.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Of course, you know, I loved her character of Alice,
but my favorite character, and Alice would have been Flowing.
I kiss Margret's Polly.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, Vira and flow now and Alice and Polly.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Holliday was in one of my favorite episodes of The
Golden Girls when she played Rose's blind sister.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Oh that's right, that's right. I forgot about that. I
forgot about that. Yeah, she was again. She was in
the Sopranos member she played the therapist that Meta went
to that they hated that. Okay, Yeah, she's been in
so many things, so yes, she's gone. Yeah, now we

(30:08):
got others, others story masters. Yeah, not at sixty.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Three pioneering LGBTQ journalists at the home of several influential publications,
notably Gay City News in New York City and the
LA Blade since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah. She died on December eleventh in his home in
West Hollywood at sixty three, younger and younger. I no,
that's sorry, and the medical examiner determined the cause was suicide. Oh,
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, damn.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
He grew up in Tennessee, went to New York City
in the eighties, worked for Out Week, QW LGNY and
the successor Gay City News before moving west and starting
the LA Blade in twenty seventeen in partnership with the
Washington Blade, which was founded in nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Kevin Naff, who is the editor of The Washington Blade
and the owner of both the Washington and LA papers,
said that Troy was a pioneer of LGBTQ media who
was fueled by a passion for advocacy and brought his
commitment to justice, truth and best in class journalism.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
In the first issue of the LA Blade, mister Masters
described the heady promises and challenges that his readers faced. Quote,
we are living in a paradigm shifting moment in real time.
You can feel it. Sometimes it's overwhelming, sometimes it's toxic.
Sometimes it's perplexing, even terrifying. On the other hand, sometimes

(31:51):
it's just downright exhilarating.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
You know he did. He used his platform to really
talk about monkey pocks and bring it to the f
and you know, get it discussed. And yeah, that early
work with that was pretty instrumental. And you know, we've
talked to Rob Rekerd even about how it could have
been much worse and it wasn't because of folks like Masters.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
And he went there about monkey pops too. He said,
this is not a gay disease, nor is it a
sex panic, but it is hitting our community hard and
we must protect ourselves and each other. If monkey pox
is used as a cudgel against the community of men
who have sex with men, it will be time to
act up and fight again. Act up in all caps.
So that was a double reference. Joe.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, he is gone, Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Art Evans died. You knew who this is.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I know you do.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You've seen him in things, okay, I know you have.
He's always playing like the older black man who is
a voice of reason to the younger black man, like
that's kind of been his his thing, and a lot
of things, like for instance, in the movie School Days

(33:12):
when he was trying to school Laurence Fishburne's character about
like advocacy is great, what you have to think about
the bigger picture. But his two of his more notable
roles were I know is I was going say, I
know you do? He was in a Soldier story and
die Hard too. But I've seen him in so many things.

(33:36):
He was just one of those actors that, like, you know,
if he's in the movie, you know it's a good movie.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Two yeah mm and last Brenton would Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
He was the singer known for the song the Ugam
Bughem song. You know Ukham bookham Ugum buogm baby now
that song?

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah. He was eighty three died from a natural causes
surrounded by his family at his home in Marino Valley, California. Okay,
apparently he lived a good life. He was from Shreveport, Louisiana.
H He was on a farewell tour in twenty twenty
four catch You on the Rebound the last tour, which

(34:26):
paused after his hospitalization. But uh, that was the jam
the Ugambogem song that back when you could just string
some syllables together and have a hit.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I came out in like nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, anyway, So rest in peace to arts who Brighton Wood.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yes, was that everybody?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
They're the ones you listed? I mean there were certainly others.
There were a lot of folks. We just heard about
Aubrey Plasi's husband who also suicided.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh, I didn't know about that.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah. Filmmaker Jeff Baina. Huh was Aubrey Plas's husband, found
dead in their La home. He was forty seven. Damn.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, that's a damn shame.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I guess that is right now the apparent clause of Jeff.
But yeah, that one I just heard about. Maybe it
was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I did not hear about that. Yep.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, they did several films together. He was an independent filmmaker.
He did go to NYU for film school. He co
wrote I think probably most famously, I Heart Hockeates.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh I did hear about this. I didn't realize he
was Aubrey Plaus's husband.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yep. He directed five of his own films, four of
which premiered at Sundance.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Mm hm, I am said that he died, but I
did not enjoy his work. Okay, specifically, iHeart Huckebees don't.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I don't remember it. I feel like I've seen it,
and I don't think I was in love it was anyway,
he also left us recently. There was also who.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Was the other one?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Eighty one? She was eighty one. I think britt Allcroft
write a producer and voice actress, best known as the
creator of Thomas the Tank. Nd.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh yeah, I did see that.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, she died on the twenty seventh.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I saw that on social media.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Okay, yeah, so that was another one. That was another one.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
That's a shame.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
And it's that time of year apparently, Yeah, apparently this
is the busy season.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
As it were.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Now, well, my father was you know, we actually had
his funeral between Christmas and New Years because he his
official date of death is the twenty sixth of December,
but really he tried the twenty fifth. It's when he
collapsed Christmas morning, ten o'clock.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, I mean it wasn't a shock, but it was
pretty sudden because he was up an alert and we
had a big party on Christmas Eve, and he you know,
he was good until he wasn't. Wasn't yep.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So but you know, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Apparently common, you know, this time of the year. Yeah,
on the holidays. My mother was the day after Thanksgiving
in twenty seventeen, and he's day after Christmas in two
thousand and four.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So the holidays are never like.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, it was just this was the twenty year anniversary
of my father's death this Christmas.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
The holidays are never an easy time for you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I think that just because it was so important to him,
especially Christmas, you know that it was such an important day.
Just so many things have changed. I used to cook
for twenty five people, right, but you know, we know
how to make a reservation for Thanksgiving dinner too, don't
getting twisted. That's made some good reservations very tasty, truly,

(38:14):
it was. Yeah, so let's take a break because we
do have a lot of good news and we'll come
back with that.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, okay, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
So eight LA comps were fired after a mess of
cover up a police beating of a transmit.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah. I had been seeing this story develop, but now
that there's actual, like you know, consequences feel like we
can talk about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
A contempt of cop indictment involving a twenty three year
old transman and the LA County sheriff who beat him
in the parking lot of a seven to eleven grew
to include at least eight deputies fired for participating in
a cover up of their colleagues action yep. The La
Times reports multiple La County Sheriff's deputies have been relieved

(39:24):
of duty amid a federal investigation into the beating of
teacher Emmett Brock after he flipped off a sheriff's deputy
and was beaten in the aftermath. The deputy agreed to
a plead guilty in federal court to one felon account
of deprivation of rights under the color of law in

(39:46):
relation to the incident, which carries a maximum ten years.
He's probably going to get probation. But in February of
twenty three, Brock, the victim, drove by Benza, who was
arguing with a woman engaging in a traffic stop, and
flipped off the deputy right He didn't think the officer
would even see the gesture. Soon after he was followed,

(40:08):
Benza was falling Brock, and a two mile pursuit that
ended with Brock bloodied and beaten in a seven to
eleven parking lot.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Video captured Benza beating Brock for three minutes YEP as
the young man pleaded for his life. Benza admitted he
lied to the FBI, alleged to other deputies, including supervisors,
helped him obstruct the investigation and cover up his misconduct.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
He's taking everybody with him.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
The La County Sheriff's Department confirmed he had been fired
on December eighteenth. The next day, they admitted multiple other
deputies had also been relieved of duties.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I saw the video, but I didn't watch it. I
was happy that there was video. I fast forwarded through
it just to make sure that every like there was
damna evidence caught on the camera, And there was. That's
all I need to say. Oh yeah, yeah, because he
flipped someone off. So yeah, I mean, which is ridiculous.

(41:10):
It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
This is how thin the skin is on so many
law enforcements, which is terrifying.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I know that they did a strip search of the transman,
which is you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
How that came into play. That part, but of course
it did.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
So Yeah, I imagine a civil suit will follow and good,
but at least there's a little bit of justice out
of la.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Exactly, you've got a gun, you've got a taser, you've
got pepper spray, you've got a stick like but someone
a hand gesture threatened you.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. It's all ticks because they think
that they are somehow uh you know, above it.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
All these people have balls made of soap bubbles or something.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I swear to Craze that's true.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So the courthouse that issued our country's first gay marriage
license becomes a National Historic landmark. Good. US Secretary of
the Interior deb Holland announced that the Boulder County Courthouse
in Colorado has been designated a National Historic Landmark for

(42:21):
being the site of the first issuing of a same
sex marriage license in the United States. On March twenty sixth,
nineteen seventy five, Damn Boulder County Clerk Klelo Roorax issued
the license after confirming with the assistant district attorney that
state law did not ban marriage between two people of
the same sex. This act of courage ignited a nationwide

(42:45):
conversation about marriage equality and cemented the courthouse's role as
a symbol of hope and progress for the LGBTQ plus community.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yep, within weeks, X issued five more same sex marriage licenses,
and new That's across the country spotlighted Boulder as a
trailblazer for civil rights work. At the time, Boulder was
deeply divided over gay rights. A few had thought about
same sex couples marrying, singing parallel with the women's movement,

(43:17):
and finding nothing in the law to prevent it. The
thirty one year old county clerk ultimately granted six licenses
to gay couples before the state's attorney general at the time, J. D. McFarlane,
ordered her to stop. So, yeah, all the way back then, I.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Didn't realize it was that long ago. Yep, that's crazy.
First with gay marriage, then legal we Colorado. There you go.
For five minutes, I was considering going to University of
Colorado at Boulder from my master's degree. But then I
was like, but you'd be living in Colorado. I mean,

(43:57):
no shade of Colorado, but it gets called there.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Okay. That was really a thirteen LGBTQ plus elected lawmakers
join the one hundred and nineteenth Congress. This is the
largest group of out LGBTQ plus members in US history,
A dynamic thirteen legislators who are redefining what representation in
Washington looks like. Heerry McBride made history as the first

(44:24):
openly transgender person elected to Congress, Emily Randall of Washington,
first queer Latina representative, Julie Johnson of Texas. She is
state's first openly queer representative, a shift even in traditionally
conservative strongholds. They joined seasoned icons like Robert Garcia of California,

(44:44):
the first out immigrant in Congress represented to Richie Torres
of New York, first Afro Latina to serve senator, to
Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, how about it. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
It is.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean, you know, it's bittersweet because Sara McBride immediately
sucked it up.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, but that's a whole exactly. I mean, you know,
she is our first trans member of Congress. She's sworn
in on January third. She represents you know, Delawares one
at large district.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
But not the trans people in it.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, you know, yeah, it's a complicated, not really, but
I was going to say, is it not really? Not
really anyway, a lot of firsts. So here's a quote
from Sarah McBride. It is not surprising to me is

(45:43):
that an anti trans bill will be one of the
first they put forward. She called it part of a
broader strategy to distract from economic issues. Uh, these anti
LGBTQ policies have an impact on every single person in
this country who believes that the time and energy of
the federal government should be spent improving the lives of workers,

(46:05):
improving conditions facing retirees, and improving support for our families.
M hm right, mm hmm. She thinks she can bridge divides,
which that's cute, right, And yeah, she has a private
bathroom depan and the rest of us can fuck ourselves
that part, or you know, risk whatever punishments they're going

(46:26):
to put in place for their symbolic nonsense. I guess.
So it is what it is, right, it is what
it is. I mean, this is not without merit, of
course she is the first.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Right, that part is going to be true regardless.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, but this Kumbaya, we're all the same, you know,
I'm not going to single out the trouble. Well, We're
being singled out, my dear, we are being singled out.
You know, they are directly targeting folks, and the example
you just set is still reprehensible. Sorry, you know, every
trans kid just herdue and you know, lost a little

(47:01):
error and a little height.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
But whatever you do. You just because you're the first,
does it mean you're the best? Well?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Right, I mean, you know, and if you well, never mind,
we already talked about this. If you can't connect civil
rights and the greater you know what I mean. Nobody
ever gained ground by saying yes, so please, can I
have some more of that? Never happened, but let's try
it just in case.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
What's the definition of insanity?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, exactly, I've said enough So. California has banned schools
from forcing teachers to out queer students. Yay, rights, I mean,
and obviously in particular we're talking about trans kids, right.
The new law prevents schools from acquiring staff to notify

(47:47):
parents if a student identifies as LGBTQ, in its response
to some districts requiring staff to notify parents when students
identify as a gender other than what's in their official files.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Have a K.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Newsom said at a press conference. Teachers can still talk
to their parents. What they can't do is fire a
teacher for not being a snitch. I don't think teachers
should be gender police here here exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Because if you don't know, it's because your kid doesn't
trust you, and there's probably a good reason for.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
That, exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And you know, a rule like this doesn't protect kids,
not the queer kids, not the trans kids.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
No, no, no, it's not designed too.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
But they aren't human anyway. So yeah, you know, there
are opponents to the new law. Of course, the parental
notification policy is actually strengthen ties between students and parents.
No they do not, No, they don't. Nope, no, sorry, No.
I don't know where I would have lived if I

(48:56):
would have been out at as trans as a child,
I really don't. I I doubt it would have been
in this house, I hear strongly. I doubt that, and
I'd had more than just the one exorcism. But you know,
let's keep doing this shit anyway, there's a lull. Let's
hope that holds exactly fingers crossed you fingers cross, because

(49:22):
this is a sound policymaking, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
That actually protects kids.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, that actually does and the teachers that right, spend
the most time with them.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Now, this story is kind of cool. Okay, So there's
a camp in northern Minnesota that is closing down. Pine
County Camp.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
The eighty acre site in Willow River, Minnesota, about forty
minutes southwest of Duluth, has served kids living with or
effect by HIV and AIDS for more than thirty years.
The number of babies contracting the virus through their mothers
has declined to the point where such a camp no
longer needs to exist. Right, This is some of what

(50:12):
we're seeing happening, like with the AIDS fund saying, you know,
they don't need to be here anymore, they don't need
to do exactly what they were doing, right, And this
is kind of another example of that.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Right. So it's like it's a bittersweet thing. It's like, ah,
this tradition, this thing that has a standing tradition, has
to go away. But the reason for it is great.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Right in the United States, the perinatal HIV transmission rate,
or the rate of a mother passing the virus onto
a child through pregnancy, birth, or breastfeeding, is now less
than one percent thanks to anti retroviral medications. According to
the CDC. The World Health Organization says that globally, new
infections among children up to age fourteen have declined by

(50:58):
thirty eight percent since twenty five fifteen, and AIDS related
deaths have fallen by forty three percent.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Okay, right, and that's a cool thing.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I think so, I think so.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And I didn't even know that that camp existed. I did,
Oh you did. Okay, Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I did. During the first several years, of course of
the camp's existence, death was common. Now, many of the
thousands who swam and hiked and mid crafts at the
camp have married and had children. A documentary is being
filmed about the camp, which eventually broadened its reach to
serve different campers, including those with diabetes and LGBTQ youth.

(51:42):
It was largely serving the latter group last summer. The
nonprofit hopes to sell the camp to another group that
will serve kids. That there's no longer a need for
this camp's original purposes. The greatest story that I ever
could have imagined. It's something I never could have predicted,
said the founder of the camp, Neil Willinson. Founded One

(52:04):
Heartland in nineteen ninety three when he was twenty two. Wow,
he is now fifty three, and marveled at how quickly
his college age dreams of working in Hollywood as an
actor and producer diverged to running a nonprofit.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
That's actually not uncommon.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It is cool.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I mean, you know, these things were rearranging things because
it's possible, right, Yeah, And there's not the same call
that there was when it began thirty years ago. So
that is good stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It's amazing. Yeah, what else for goot? So this is
something that I've been seeing happen here and there for
the past few years, since the whole CRT debate has
become a thing. Oh right, this is in Florida.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Those words right exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Florida's students are giving up Saturday to learn black history
lessons their schools don't teach.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, it's becoming like the new underground railroad of education
and shit.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Okay. The Spady Cultural Heritage Museum in Delray Beach and
in similar programs that community centers across the state, many
supported by Black churches, which for generations have helped forge
the cultural and political identity of their parishioners.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yep. In an old wooden bungalow and Delray Beach. Charlene
Farrington and her staff gathered groups of teenagers on Saturday
mornings to teach them lessons she worries that public schools
won't provide. They talk about South Florida's Caribbean roots, the
state's dark history of lynching, how segregation still shapes the landscape,

(53:45):
and how grassroots activists mobilize the civil rights movement to
up end generations of oppression.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Wow, she said to her.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Students, you need to know how it happened before so
you can decide how you want it to happen again.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
M hm agreed, Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
That's been a thing. I was reading stories about, like
folks gathering in the basements of churches or like small
rooms and like having clandestine black history conversations in history lessons.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
How ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You know, the fact that you have to do this
shit in secret?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Well, and this is you know that this is the
direction we're all headed.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
You know, you know what it feels like. It just
occurred to me. It feels like when enslaved people had
to like teach each other to read and write in secret.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
And then pretend they couldn't and write it does well.
You know a lot of these folks harken back to
that era as at the good times, right back in
the good old days.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Ain't that some shit? Ain't that some shit?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
It's awesome shit.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
That's why I like on social media. Every now and again,
I'll see a post like someone will stop a group,
like be on a college campus or whatever, and stop
a bunch of random people and show them a bunch
of different photos of notable historical Black figures, and if
they can guess all of them, they get money, Like
right there. Wow, Like let's just incentivize, you know. And

(55:22):
the number of young black people that can positively identify
these people is heartening. The number of people that can't actually,
you know what, it's not that many like and usually
like if it's two people of the same age and
one person doesn't know the other, one's like who raised you?
So there's still hope. I remember my mom would give

(55:48):
me like extracurricular homework. She brought in these calendars and
each month was a different notable figure, so I had
to like learn up on that person and then write
a few paragraphs about them. I'm like eight nine ten
at the time. Yeah, that's how I know who like

(56:10):
Mary McLeod Beuthune is you know, Benjamin Banneker like folks
like that. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
You know, we all should.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I agree, it shouldn't be relegated to a special category
at a special time. It's all history. Black history is
American history, Queer history is American history. You're preaching to
the choir, and they're both world history, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
And what a better world it would be, you know,
And how much less ugliness and bullying would you know
we suffer if we bother to teach that we all
have a place in this world. But that's some of them.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Like what would the last ten years look like if
it was common knowledge what happened on Black Wall Street
in Greenwood? You know what I mean? Anyone?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Okay, So I think that's all the good news we
could take up this week. I can't think of them anymore.
We tried, We tried, you know, we gave it our
best shot.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
We did.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Do you have a fifteen minute pig.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I do, And it actually kind of piggybacks off of
that last story. Okay, So when I am at work
and I have to do med audits, which involves counting.
I like to silence the white noise in the back
of my head by putting on music that I don't

(57:39):
actually have to pay attention to. Okay, Like sometimes it's
drummond bass. This time it was house, and so I
was listening to house music and this song pulled my focus.
I had never heard it before. In fact, the chorus
specifically is what pulled my focus. Because I'm over here
counting and I hear do not Fuck with Colored People.

(58:00):
I was like, wait, what huh? So I paused and
I started listening to this song, and I was like,
is this a motherfucking house song about Claudette Colvin? Really? Yes?
It is? Okay, Okay, it's the It's off of an
album by Rafe Gum and this song is Claudette featuring

(58:24):
Monique Bingham, and uh yeah, it's about Claudette Coven and
the Montgomery Buss Boycott. Okay. Then fun yeah, and it's funky.
I've listened to I stopped and listened to it like
five times, and listened to it again on the way home,
and for a couple of days, I'm walking around going
do not fuck we call it people?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
That's not what I thought was happening in our house.
But it's good to know. What's a song that's not true?
Not so this will be a fun way to go
out to the break.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
What is the name of the Claudette Claudette featuring Monique Binger.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
All right, then we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Cuse ever result ever resarty only all the time away.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Don't get that confused.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Baby, can.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Let me go out my saying so they know to
never try or even think whise and think this is a.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Cut on.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
People, Come lumber, I got people.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Come one, come mother, you don't m h.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
And we're back. We're back. That was you know, jam right,
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
And every time we say don't fuck with us, whoever
we may be, there's a mouth breathing Republican somewhere going
hold my bear right true good lord. So you know,
here's the thing before the official cavalcade of nonsense. I'm nonsensing, okay,

(01:01:12):
because I don't know where else this story belongs. And
I'm not It's not so much that I am trying
to judge my fallow queers as I you know, I
just feel sad about this story and I want to
talk about it. Okay, So this is from today's Philadelphia Enquirer.

(01:01:34):
So the headline is published today in the Sunday Enquirer,
the queer people who are buying guns to prepare for
Trump's America. You know, in the subheading we are not
looking to arm up and storm the Capitol. One gun
owner said, we just don't want to be put in
concentration camps. Well, here, here, fair it is you know,

(01:01:58):
the person they seem to focus on as a trans
woman who, as a result of the election, decided she
would learn how to use a gun and got one.
It is chilling. I just wanted to, you know, talk
about this because this has come up so often.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Part of the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Problem with gun ownership and within our communities is we
have a great propensity to use it on ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You know, I've lost too many people that were really
close to me because you know, they had easy access
to a loaded weapon at a time when life got challenging,
and that became a permanent solution to what was for
sure a temporary problem, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I mean they didn't see it that way, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Well, you know, research and statistics do tell us that
the likelihood of an accident, the likelihood of having the
gun turned on ourselves. You know, it goes up, not down.
They're dangerous, agree, and you know, and I understand the fear,

(01:03:06):
but you know, the fear that has driven this country,
you know, brought us another like this is you know,
it's still unthinkable that that jackass is going to be
president again. It's just unthinkable that we're that we would
revisit that as a nation, truly, And you know, in

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part one of the things that I have been watching
over time is this escalation of fear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
You know, it used to be men proved themselves as
men and men.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
With you know, their fists right, which was you know,
problematic enough for me throughout grade school. But we keep
needing weapons a family and you know what an eye
for an eye makes the whole world blind. That keeps
resonating in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I remember that it was like an unofficial movement in
black pop culture because this was at the height we're
talking about like the nineties, because this was at the
height of quote unquote gangster rap, and so you know,
gun culture was glorified as you know, a display of
how strong and how hard and how bad you are.

(01:04:23):
And so there was like this counter movement of people saying,
you know, that's not brave. A brave person handles if
you're gonna have, if you're gonna take it to that level,
then use your fists because you know you might take
an ass woman, but you live to fight another bag.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, and here's I don't know, maybe that wasn't aside,
but yeah, I mean this idea, you know, like, let's
because the level of fear, right, the level of bad
judgment right, seems to go up exponentially as we hide
behind a gun, like the cop story we talked about earlier,

(01:05:00):
you know, like that there they are, they have, you know,
weapons to their teeth. They've got all the ammunition and
the guns and the shields and the tasers in there,
you know, and they're still so fearful for their safety,
which is occasionally true, but on too many stories it's like, really,

(01:05:21):
what were you afraid of? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
He was black and so close, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And you know, we owned a bar in a neighborhood
that did have some drugs and violence and you know,
nonsense going on around us. And I had friends who
told me I was absolutely insane for not keeping a
gun in the bar, And I said, I actually want
to live, and I want my employees to live. And

(01:05:47):
if you're going to keep a weapon, now let me
let me let me clarify. If you were going to
draw a weapon, only do so if you really are
fully prepared to use it. Because if you think you're
going to pull a gun to scare someone and they
have a weapon, the likelihood that somebody's gonna die is
pretty high.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So you know, if you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Don't have the wherewithal two and the life of another
human being, don't pull a gun. Because pulling a gun
has never de escalated a situation, not one, not that
I'm aware of, not one, you know what I mean,
And certainly not here in the real world. I mean
maybe it does in the movies, but here in the
real world, you know, pulling that weapon escalates, it builds it,

(01:06:31):
it makes it deadly. Err And so that was the
you know, I knew, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Because I think about like the confrontations that I had
when I was behind that bar, and if my words
didn't cut it in a few instances where like it
got to that level, I'll pull that bad out and
that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I mean, right, but that's not a gun, right, that's
my point, right, And we had panic buttons, and we
had cameras, and we had you know, like there are
things that are deterrents. There are things, you know, and
I my point is we never had significant problems and
we didn't have gun We did not. It's just, you know,

(01:07:15):
it's a I don't think we're more safe having got
you know, especially the kids around. And then you know,
if the thing is locked up properly in a safe
and the weapons are all in, the bullets are either
elsewhere locked up or locked up with it by the
time you get done, you know what I mean, entering

(01:07:38):
to save this alleged person breaking in is going to
be in control, all right while you fumble and and
but the we don't look at the likelihood of those
things happening. I mean, we hear about them because it's
much more rare now. And again the stories where the

(01:08:00):
villain was shot and the victim when unscathed are pretty
rare as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Right. And let's not even get into like how fucking
easy it is to get a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Gun, right, you know, less so in our state, thank you.
But I'm not just people will go to great lengths
and these are not This is an article about responsible
gun ownership, learning how to properly handle the weapon, et cetera. Right,
and still I don't know. It still doesn't sit well

(01:08:34):
with me. And you know, maybe it's because I'm such
a pathifist. I don't know. But we've just gotten so
afraid of each other. And I can't help but feel
that that drives these kinds of politics, allows them to
take hold. Again, we should be smarter than this in

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twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
They're playing into their hands.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Right, all the people that you know, certain people are
afraid of, they really should be, I guess, because this
is going to escalate and keep going, you know. And
I don't blame I can't, especially people who have already
been a victim of violence or know someone who has
been based on their identity.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Just this does not sit well in my spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I would much rather read about queer people learning self defense.
So what I you know that? I mean, even if
it comes down to like something like krav Maga, Hey,
like the idea of a young trans woman walking around
with that knowledge in her head, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I'm better with that, you know, I'm better with that.
But and again, because so often it doesn't end well, right, yeah,
And I didn't want to be less safe because we
had a weapon in the bar. I didn't want, you know.
And and when people are afraid, they their judgment is
no its best right, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
And and when you I mean, I know, for me,
if I'm in a situation where I feel in any
way concerned for my safety, my mind immediately goes to, Okay,
what is available to me at this moment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
If a gun is not an option, you get creative
and no one dies, right, you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Right? I mean, how many stories have there been about, like,
you know, the neighbor on drugs or drunk walks into
the wrong house and winds up dead.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
It's just I don't know. I have a hard time
with the idea that meeting violence with violence is ever
the answer. I have a hard time, you know, with
this constant escalation, and you know, from an otherwise peaceable people,
because you know, the other thing is when we start

(01:10:56):
to use the same tactics they use, I'm afraid the
consequences for us are going to be much more dire.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Black Panthers, That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
What I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
When they say, you know, good guy with the gun.
They don't mean us, right, and I I don't know,
I don't know how many times, how many times? You know,
I have a client who's got a record right now
because he defended himself because he was jumped, sweetest, sweetest.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You know, defended himself with a gun, queer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Human, no knife, but but yeah, land of charge, just
like everyone else. And it was eleven to one. And
it's hideous to me that that happened, but it happened, right,
you know, he's got a few strikes against him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Black, queer, poor.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm, aka disposable, right, and having a
hard time now with some things in life because of
those tray and I look at situations like that, I'm like, shit,
this is what like, you know, we they don't let
us play by their rules, Sarah. That's why we can't
usually play by theirs and expect to have the same.

(01:12:13):
How do I say this benefit of a doubt? How
about that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
You know, I'm waiting for the story of the first
trans woman who you know, shoots and kills somebody's white
Christian son and what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Mm hmmm, murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
I don't think we're going to hear about. I don't
think we're gonna hear justified in that case. That's that
scares me more than I'm afraid of like random people
walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
And with guns or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
No, that's real, is what you know is looking down
the road, looking down the road, I mean, you know
how many and this is all minority in this country
right now. This is if you look like you might
be an immigrant. This is if you know you've got
any degree of melanin in your skin. And this is

(01:13:07):
certainly for gender and otherwise minority that the rules are different.
And that's the problem, you know, And what is being
ramped up in this country right now is not a
nod toward justice for all. It's quite the opposite. And
when we make decisions based in fear, they're almost never

(01:13:30):
good decisions, just saying, not when public policy is concerned.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
Not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
You know, all this nonsense we know is just you know,
this stirring up, trying to stir up some fear of
trans people, like of all the people to be afraid
of her crying out loud, right, But you know, nuggets
of nuggets of this and that take hold then and
make our lives exponentially harder, you know, but it's it's
hard to imagine. And again, this is personal. All this is,

(01:14:01):
you know, two women that we were very close to
both ate their gun as a solution to a problem
that could have been vexed easily, pretty easily. You know,
the world was not ending, but it felt like it
in the moment, and that happens. It happens, and anyone
who is predisposed to depression, you know, struggles with mental illness,

(01:14:27):
you know, probably shouldn't have a gun, right, you know,
and then it all the big guys get guns. Like
I'm just I'm sick of the argument, I really am.
And you know, it was an interesting story and may
I don't know, we'll see where it goes. Like It's
not I'm not preaching here, I'm just you know, my

(01:14:47):
whole life I've watched and there are you know, higher
When we listen to our higher angels, we make progress.
When we listen to our base fears, we tend not to,
and even more guns in the hands of even more humans.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Doesn't feel like a recipe for peace, does it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I mean, of course not. And you know there's the
fact that's been true for a long time. In this country,
fear is big business, and we have an incoming president
who values vengeance over justice.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
So right, right, Like I get it, but again I
do wonder self defense. You know, better training is be
aware of your surroundings. Better training, you know, like we
used to do it, pen Like, hey, you're in the city.
Now you have to be aware. There's just a who

(01:15:45):
lot more people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Not to mention. You know, if you have knowledge of
self defense techniques, it bolsters how you walk through the
world period, and you tend to not find yourself in
as many of those kind of situations.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I mean, we both grew up in a house with
guns on them. In the house my father had kept
a shaku. Didn't have a pistol, but he kept a shakum.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
You know, my father had two guns.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Right, well, he was a cop. That's different, right, But yeah,
I mean I'm just I don't know that it ever
made me feel safe, the idea that there are weapons around, right,
or the idea that you know, it's the only way

(01:16:41):
to survive an attack of some kind. Uh, you know,
because again in those and things happen in such a
split second, you know, and again being overpowered for the
gun that you're just you know what I mean, uncertain
about having in the first place and having it turned

(01:17:04):
on you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Because I already have that fear about knives. I have
a lot of knives, and I always like think about
like the design of the knife in my hand, like
how easily can this be taken from me? You know,
that's things you got.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
To think about, right And I just, you know, I
saw it, and my heart sank a little bit just
because like I get it, but I got it, you know.
I just when I think about, you know, peaceful resistance,
I always think it makes more sense. And when I

(01:17:43):
think about, you know, being unsafe, right, I don't know,
this just doesn't I'm like, okay, okay, right, but yeah,
it's I know, a lot of folks are feeling like,
if you know, I can't protect myself, nobody else is
going to. And I get where that is coming from.
It's you know a lot of people are feeling betrayed

(01:18:07):
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I get it. I'm not going to pretend they
don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
American gun culture has of course drastically shifted in recent years,
you know, And there was a quote in here that said,
you know, twenty twenty was apparently a pivotal year because remember,
we saw a lot more people buying guns because people
felt uncertain and I guess, you know, it's the end
of the world coming, Do I have to keep a gun?

(01:18:32):
Do I have to whatever? It was a period of
tremendous social unrest and social uncertainty, and a large number
of people in the United States under those conditions look
to firearms to re establish some sense of safety and security.
Racial and gender minorities led the way in terms of

(01:18:53):
new gun ownership rates in twenty twenty and afterward. It's
a false sense of safe in security. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I'd think about several times in my life where if
I'd had a gun, we might not be sitting here
having this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Well, right, and that's part of the problem. Well, you
don't have one anywhere on your person or near you
when the cops show up, guess what? And that's my point, Well, yeah,
that if they're already afraid of you and you have
a weapon, right God, And that's the first thing. Are
we not paying attention? That's the first thing you'll hear
people ask, well, did he have a gun?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
And when we say he was unarmed. You know, like, well,
what if he was armed. What if he had a
permit to carry it and he was armed, and he's
still dead because he was armed, because the cop was
afraid of the fact that someone the cop is afraid
of was armed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
What do we do? I mean, you know, we have
evidence to the fact that it doesn't even have to
be a gun for cops to think you have one, right,
it could be a wallet, it could be a phone.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Right, you know, there have been responsible gun safety classes happening,
Thank god, I guess despite people's hopes this is out
of the article about increasing their safety. Researchers have found
that higher rates of gun ownership and access is correlated
with higher rates of gun related homicides, suicides, accidental deaths,

(01:20:29):
and injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, And that's the thing. If you know, if you're
so afraid, in a moment of fear, you pull that gun,
you shoot, and you kill your own kid, you know,
who's broken into your house and has another kid. There's
just so many.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Scenarios and you cannot unwring that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Back, right, You can't undie a person right, right, when
you calm down and realize that this was you know,
an excessive use of force. And you know, eighty five percent,
according to the article of suicides attempted with firearms lead

(01:21:09):
to death. Yeah, you know, you've got to pay attention
to mental health in this situation. You've got to really
think about yeah, having it, you know. And then the
person who, one of the people that game man that
they profile in the article, purchased an AR fifteen is their.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
First gun Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Yeah, because their official gender identifications are non specific, which
could alert authorities to the fact that they are non binary.
And they feared that they may not be able to
buy a gun in the future. So let's, I guess,
start with an AR fifteen. I'd rather be prepared, but
prepared for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
What, right, And let's not even get into the whole
ghost gun thing where you can three D print a gun,
I know, and put it together.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I mean, and don't twist it. I'm a good shot.
I grew up here among hunters. Okay, so I'm not unfamiliar.
I'm actually not unfamiliar with gun safety. And it's not
a it's not a lack of knowledge. It's it's all

(01:22:18):
the other stuff, right, it's all the other stuff that
gives me pause. And as you know, a nation, as
we enter into these it's like what have we wrought?
You know, right, because all that fear hasn't made us
actually safer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Well, I think about like what my father always said
about guns. He was like, a gun is designed for
one purpose and one purpose only. It is not self defense.
It is not a warning, it is not stopping power.
It is designed to kill, period period. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
That's what it's for. That's what it does. That's what
it's for. And when you introduce it, know that, know
that search deep because you can hypothetically think you can
pull a name of gun, but if there's a moment's
pause in there, now it's pointed at you. And that's
the thing. It's that, you know, an eye for an

(01:23:12):
eye man, Not the way I want to live, Not
a civilized society, you know what I mean? Like that's
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
It's The wild wild West was a point of history
for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Right right, And that was because we couldn't live peacefully
with Indigenous Americans and stuff like that, you know, and
the people that were going at each other.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
It did the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
And then there's that and again fear nothing more dangerous
than white people afraid chaw inconvenience.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I always think about that little section in Bowling for Columbine.
The little animated section was basically the history of white
people in America, and everything was like and they got scared,
so then then they were still scared, so then and
there still scared. Yeah. And I you know, the fact
that it was put so bluntly, I was like, damn,

(01:24:09):
that is exactly what that is, right and all it's
ever been right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
And it's like, you know, this is what we're spending
our time on, is learning how to use weapons instead
of worrying about one another's mental health, instead of you know,
building community and figuring out ways that we stay in community,
because really connection is what saves us. Ultimately, connection saves
human being.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Right, creating more situations where people feel safe, and the
idea of even needing a gun doesn't even enter the equation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yeah, but of course connection to the same people, because some.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Connection doesn't work out that way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I'm thinking church at this point. You know, I'm not
saying I have an answer here exactly, but you know,
things just keep escalating and getting worse, and we've never
had more cameras everywhere, and we've never had more, you know,
of everything else. I just I don't know, I don't know.

(01:25:05):
I think it's just a sad thing. I think that
we're having this conversation that it's you know, in today's newspaper,
that people are feeling that unsafe and that they think
this is a road to safety. Right, it's a false
sense of security. I agree, And yeah, people are gonna
wind up dead. And I'm afraid it's going to be us.

(01:25:27):
The queer is carrying the guns, the trans people carrying
the gun. I am very much afraid of us being
out there armed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Especially if it's made public that enough of us are
carrying guns, right right, I just you know, because don't
think that the man won't start a fight for no
reason other than you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
They're over there, right Just because you white and queer
or wait in trance doesn't exactly you were completely exempt.
But you need to pay a little bit of attention
to what has happened traditionally to minority communities who warm themselves.
You just got to kind of pay attention to that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
And no go, I was literally with my mouth to say, like,
because let's not forget about again Greenwood, Black Wall Street.
No one was no one was bothering anybody, they were
minding themselves. But the fact that they were, you know,
self sufficient, and you know it was that was a threat. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:26:26):
so you know, organized queers with guns, it's a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah, it is a threat. And if the government decides
to meet you with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Force, they can afford more guns than you'll buy a lot,
m by a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
It's fucked up, well what it is, and it's just
I find it disheartening.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
I don't have a better answer other than it is
a false sense of security.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, you know, do you feel like you got it
off your spirit? Though?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
No, not really, but probably enough to move on, I get.
I don't have a solid conclusion other than think four times,
you know, is this really gonna make me safer? Beyond
just that false sense of security? Am I really prepared
to use a weapon? Am I willing to and ready

(01:27:18):
to take the life of another human being? And just
all that, just all of it belongs in the thought process.
And again, when minorities start to arm themselves, doesn't always
go well for the minorities word, and we should just
be aware of that exactly. Yeah, I guess that's what

(01:27:41):
I got. Oh, t BTQ plus parents are rushing to
safeguard their parental rights because Trump is going to be
president again. Twenty twenty five has some ominous provisions about
queer parenthood, but there are processes in place to protect oneself.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Named.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Meghan Alexander told The Advocate she usually receives about three
calls a week from queer parents seeking second parent adoptions.
The week Trump won, she filed a twenty six call.
Since then, they've kept coming. Project twenty twenty five believe
to be the blueprint for the Trump administration, essentially calls
to eliminate our rights yep and states quote, only heterosexual

(01:28:23):
two parent families are safe for children, even though we
know that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
That's documented proof of that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yes, the advice is the same as it's been for
the last couple of decades, which is to do a
second parent adoption. Alexander explained. It do not depend on
the federal government or the gay right to marry to
give you parental rights.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Because I'm sorry, only heterosexual two parent families are safe
for children. How many heterosexual two parent families have kicked
their kids out?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
We're molested them, has sucked them up for life. Uh huh, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
I got you know, I didn't want to have you
in my life as quote unquote ruins, I'm going to
take it out on you for the rest of your life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I mean, there's people that have to move around the
country to be safe and it's excruciating. But even second
parent adoptions are not bulletproof in some states. A twenty
twenty three report from a coalition of queer advocacy groups
explains that second parent adoption can be used to establish
a legal relationship between a parent and a child, or

(01:29:33):
to obtain an adoption decree for someone who is already
a legal parent through another pathway to present to parentage,
such as the marital presumption. That presumption, however, can be
challenged in some states. As such, even couples who are
married cannot rely on it and may need to consider

(01:29:53):
taking further steps to protect themselves. This is actually protecting yourself,
you know what I'm saying, right, See, the best way
for queer parents to protect their family is to ensure
that the parent child relationship is secure in all states
by obtaining a coret order of parentage or adoption. This
is true even if queer parents are married and on

(01:30:16):
their child's birth certificate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Damn, so many extra fucking steps.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
For married couples. Being on your child's birth certificate reflects
the legal presumption that any child born into marriage is
the child of both parents. Still, there is a difference
between a legal presumption and a legal judgment establishing parentage.
Each state must respect valid legal judgments of other states.
This is true for both parentage orders and adoption decrees,

(01:30:46):
and it is what sets them apart from parentage that
arises out of state law or doctrine. It is what
makes them stronger. Parentage orders are not as effective as
second parent adoptions, at least in Texas where Alexander practices,
because these orders have not been challenged extensively in court. Adoptions,

(01:31:09):
on the other hand, have been repeatedly upheld. Adoptions are
just more universally recognized. It's worth considering. These are the
considerations that I think are important. These are the things
to think about, right right, Because wouldn't it suck to
go through all that so that you have all your

(01:31:30):
rights secured and then you have a gun in the
house and you know your kid finds it, just saying right, yeah,
let's be smarter than them. Is I guess where I'm
going with this. So you know, mentioning Florida, there are
transcendmates currently being forced to cut their hair short and
undergo breast exams. One ACL lawyer compared Florida's new prison

(01:31:53):
policy to conversion therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I saw this and I was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Yeah. The AICALU of Florida is of course suing in
the state's Department of Corrections because their new anti trans
policy will restrict transprisoners' access to gender affirming medical care
as well as their ability to express their gender identity. Yep,
oh god, it is a non constitutional ban on gender

(01:32:23):
firming care. Of course, obviously we're waiting for the ruling.
Under the new policy, Florida prisons will only provide inmates
diagnosed with gender dysphoria with therapy. Trans inmates will not
have access to gender affirming hormone therapy except in rare
instances when it is deemed necessary to comply with the

(01:32:44):
US Constitution or a court decision. M wow, here's what
the policy says, motherfuckers. Unaddressed psychiatric issues and unaddressed childhood
trauma could lead to a misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria FAKIA.
Gender affirming hormone therapy may be requested by persons experiencing

(01:33:05):
short term delusions or beliefs, which may later be changed
and reversed. Uh, that's how this works, only in your minds,
not how this works. No, it's really not. Goddamn it,
it's so not. I'm not saying never, but dear God,
dear God. That's like saying your wife may regret those

(01:33:26):
silicon titties.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
She might.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
She's got a much higher likelihood of regretting that than
we do of you know, gender affirming medicine. But that's
just you know facts, and what do we need those for,
right Pushall incarcerated trans women were told that trans inmates
would be reevaluated to determine whether they would still be
allowed access to their healthcare and other accommodations they were

(01:33:52):
already receiving. Yeah, they were not told how prison officials
would determine whether they would still be allowed access to care.
So far, no inmates reported being taken off hormone therapy.
More than a dozen incarcerated trans women told the newspaper
they have already been forced to cut their hair short,

(01:34:16):
the reporting being subjected to breast examinations to determine whether
or not they would still be allowed access to bras.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Wow, yep, the prison system is already designed for dehumanization.
But god damn.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Many of them are already incarcerated in men's prisons. M
a trans woman they spoke to, that her gender dysphoria
diagnosis was now considered a serious psychiatric illness. She was
told she would have to removed to a more restrictive
facility with fewer work and programming opportunities if she wants

(01:34:57):
to continue receiving treatment, They're told the Marshall Project. After
spending ten days in solitary for refusing to cut her hair,
a prison barber buzzed her hair short while she was handcuffed.
I feel like they're taking away my identity.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, and your humanity and yep, your fucking ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Previous court decisions have held that prisons in the US
are required under the Constitution to provide gender affirming care
as needed.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Yeah. Psychiatrist Dan Krossik University of California, San Francisco, who
helped develop international standards to the treatment of transgender people,
told the Marshall Project that Florida's knew anti trans prison
policies were a fig leaf on the state's efforts to
ban gender affirming care. Yeah, that's putting it nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
I'm so sorry. Yeah, this is the stuff Nellie Fitzpatrick
was fighting. Yeah, if you recall directly, Yeah, that interview,
go back and listen. Well, you know, Timmy Baldwin, by
the way, and twenty other senators did try to strike
the anti transprovision from the Defense bill with no luck.

(01:36:22):
And yeah, eighty one Democrats signed on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
And stuck them exactly in the ear.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
The Pulse night Club is going to be torn down,
which many have said is really the only way to
deal with right that. The Pulse Memorial Advisory Committee took
a pivotal step toward honoring the legacy of forty nine
lives lost and the resilience of survivals in the wake
of the Pulse night Club tragedy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Yeah, it's the whole thing is going to be turned
into a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Memorial now, right So, designers, members of the community, leaders, survivors,
and families of the victims met at City Hall to
review to refine proposals for a commemorative piece that will
stand as a begon of love, unity, and hope. Quote.
For those who think this is closure, that this ends
grief and ends the pain, it doesn't work that way.

(01:37:12):
What it does do, however, is kind of put a
dot at the end of the sentence that's been open
for a very long time, said Nancy Rosatto, Pulse Memorial
Advisory Committee. It was the last chance for the committee
to agree on what should stay or go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
I think it's powerful. They're going to use the dance
floor and like as part of the design of whatever
ends up being there, and that's a powerful symbol. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
There there were points in the story where there was
not a lot of agreements, so you know, I guess
coming to terms is actually I get them, yeah, and
hopefully we can move on. But you know, I don't know,
and they could make people walk through. I kind of
want Florida politicians stuff to it's been the night there,

(01:38:00):
hm hm. Anyway, Yeah, some idiot who refused to use
a trans student's pronouns is getting a payday from their
school district. That's just some more bullshit exactly. Yeah, because
the teacher says mistrans could suffer from underlying trauma and
mental illness.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Wow, this is why trauma caused by people like Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
They paid a settlement of four hundred and fifty thousand
dollars because the teacher said she was forced to residey
after refusing to druss students by their trans names at
personal proteos. Vivian Garrity was an English teacher that's rich
for two years in a middle school. Two years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Garrity, a Christian, reportedly neither faced any kind of complaint
or disciplinary action about her work, nor communicated openly about
her religious beliefs while at school.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Why don't I believe that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Yeah, while she was doing That's exactly what she was
fucking doing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
The Star County School District has a policy requiring teachers
to participate in the social transition of gender nonconforming students
by using names in pronouns consistent with each student's gender identity.
Here's the part where she talked to Vanner religion, but
her faith believes that God only creates two districted sexes. Well,
her faith is ridiculous and limited, has no actual factual

(01:39:30):
biological basis. But okay, male are female, and that rejection
of one's biological sex is a rejection of the image
of God within that person. God is strands honey, right, Sorry,
if we're all made in the image of God, God
is both male and female. Huh think about it. Oh no,
that hurts right exactly. She couldn't use names and pronouns

(01:39:53):
that contradict the legal names in gender assigned to people
at their birth that would affirm concepts she saw untrue
and violate biblical commands. All right, you're in a public school.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Yeah, so she's an English teacher. So what happens when
we get to the class where we actually talk about pronouns?
What do you just not do it?

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Nugget?

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
So she claimed to religion. That's why she can't follow
district policy. They told her she could not set her
religious convictions aside. She should resign. Yeah, agreed, right, But
I don't know why she got a pay day for this.
Violated her First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Really, what about the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Kids' rights to freedom from her religion?

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
That because isn't freedom from religion part of religious freedom?

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
In her lawyers? Of course? Uh, let's say the anti
LGBTQ plus Christian nationalists legal advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom.
There's the bitches again said trans identities are quote a
matter of national and local public debate and concern because
you made it so there's no sane person debating us.

(01:41:13):
You idiots are creating the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
The walk, Yeah, and then blaming nobody for it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Nobody should be forced to facilitate another person's transitioning when
they themselves disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Fuck you and your disagreement.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Yeah, and of course they quote the cast for you
such bullshit, Oh my god, mm hmmm, which they point
to his proof of something, which of course it isn't. Wow.
Well mm hmm. She's found it difficult to apply for
employment in other public school good because she has no

(01:41:52):
recommendation from her district's superintendent. Of course she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Good. Yeah, not even the first time I know this
shit has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Well, if that's not nonsense, I don't know what is word? Yeah,
four and fifty thousand dollars. Well, actually the headline said
forty five thousand, but then the article said four un and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Fifty Either one is way too much money.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
There's way too much money for this ignorant bitch who
did this for a payday, who aligned with these people
for this agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
What's you going to spend it? An? I am believing
that twelve foot cris and gasoline.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
What do you have to say to intersex people? They
don't actually exist? Huh, what do you have to say
to them? And how dare you again and tell human
beings you know them better than themselves and act as
if you know we all have all this trauma. No,
we don't. The trauma comes from people like this, ah,

(01:42:58):
not inherently from being trans or queer or non binary
or anywhere on our beautiful spectrum. Right, That's not where
the bullshit comes from, folks, comes from a shit like this.
Maybe we should all have guns. You don't mean that,
I don't, but I gotta say I think we should

(01:43:22):
take a break. Yeah, and then come back and cleintense
palates because this is just you know, I just dug
myself deeper into a hole. Yeah, let's climb out of it.
We'll be right back.

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Oh, no one has ever asked me that question.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
So what have we been watching? Let's talk about what
we've been watching.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
We actually had some time on our hands to watch
something a little bit well. The first thing on the
list I actually watched while I was at work because
it was short. So on Christmas Day there was some
football thing on Netflix and I heard that for the
halftime performance, Beyonce gave a thirteen minute performance of songs

(01:45:31):
off of the Cowboy Carter album. I am a huge
fan and first of all, Like, what's really blowing my
mind these days is like it's this near pathological need
of people to just immediately like start hating on Beyonce
whenever her name is mentioned. Like the second it was

(01:45:53):
announced that she was going to be performing at the halftime, well,
I guess I know what. I'm not gonna be watching.
Oh I'm going to cancel my Netflix's good. Oh I'm
not gonna be watching that game. Like, Wow, this woman
who you've never met, who is never gonna meet you,
and you have so much, real, raw, big feelings about it. Anyway,
So after the like a week or so after the

(01:46:15):
game aired, they released the halftime performance as its own thing.
So I sat and I watched it because I wanted
to like check it out, and you know, we were busy,
so I missed it when it happened, not that we'd
be watching a football game anyway. First of all, it
was a great performance, as I knew it would be,
because you know, Beyonce don't play. And the whole time

(01:46:36):
I'm sitting there watching, I was like, damn, they had
to really nitpick to find things to hate, but you
know they did because like apparently like at the end
she's up in the air on this platform and she
like does like this finger gun thing, which is like
because she's talking about like, you know, the words bang
bang keep coming up and you know, and there was
this controversy well because apparently that's.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Gesture of her finger guns exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
But apparently there's this policy uh that players, I think
the players from whatever team is Texas whatever, they were
doing that and then they got penalized because that's considered
bad for whatever reason. So how come Beyonce can do
it and they can't? Thank you? That's that's the answer
to the goddamn question.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
But maybe maybe maybe she didn't agree to those us.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Right, and like, but what I will say about the performance,
like the album was an exploration of, you know, the
roots of country, the black roots of country, and it
was like basically neo Americana alb and she chose to

(01:47:48):
spotlight all these up and coming black country artists as
well as country artists from like previous generations who never
got their just due. And she was spotlight these people
in this performance, Like there were moments was like it
was Beyonce and three other or at least two other
young black woman country singers singing together at the same time,

(01:48:12):
I'm like, Okay, life goals, y'all. You know, it was
just a great performance. And I just don't understand how
people can have such big feelings. You know. It's like,
I mean, I know why because she's rich and black
and successful and doesn't give a fuck about their feelings.
It all happened when Bruno Mars was the halftime performance

(01:48:35):
at the super Bowl and it was Bruno Mars and
cold Play and Beyonce popped up and performed Formation, and
then that was when white people realized that Beyonce is
black and knows it. Ever since then, just I can't
stand Beyonce. She's overrated, she ain't this, she ain't that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
And it's like, who is saying this broke.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
People who have no goals? I mean, is my okay?
I just wanted and it's it's just like this common
thing on uh on on social media. It's people hating
on Beyonce, and it's like, I don't know, like I
hate the fact that I'm sitting here like defending someone
who doesn't know I exist and I'm not getting the
cut of her check. But you know, it's just like
this is just pathological behavior. It drives me crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Yeah, well we've been swimming in pathological behavior since I
don't know, late October.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
True. So all that to say, I watched it. It
was good. I enjoyed it. Watch it again. Well good,
we finally got to uh sit down and watch the
six trip late.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Yeah about the all black woman uh squadron battalion troop.
But if you call it unit in the army.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Yeah, in the army in World War Two who actually
made the mail work again? Right? They Yeah, they were
charged with, you know, distributing millions of pieces of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Male and the string the morale of the troops, and.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
They took it very seriously and creatively and did an
amazing job inside of what was it nine months?

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, Yeah, great movie. It was the first Tyler Perry
movie that like I thoroughly enjoyed from beginning to end
and didn't have any harsh criticisms.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
For Carrie Washington was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Yeah, that was a different role for her.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Having the Obsidian was brilliant. Blackest name ever true, like
Onyx is her middle name. God damn, I'm kidding, but
right now then she would be e oh oh but no.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
It was great and that it's historic. It was a
Tyler Perry film where the women weren't victims. I know, right,
nobody got cheated on, nobody got a's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Maybe he consulted with an actual woman.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Well that's the thing. He actually like, consulted with the
real people. And so there was no room for him
to take his usual artistic license. And because it's Tyler
Perry and he was spending Tyler Perry money, it's good.
It was given the scope that the story deserves.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
It's a really good movie. It's worth watching. It's on
Netflix right now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
I agree. And then after we watched that, we were
on our I Love Black Women kick Well. The next
thing we put on was the movie about Whitney Houston,
where Deborah Cox played Whitney Houston. I wanted you to
see that because you were unfamiliar with Deborah Cox, and

(01:51:46):
I had said when I heard that Deborah Cox is
going to be playing Whitney Houston, I immediately was like, Okay,
she got this because Deborah Cox has that voice. She
has one of the best voices of our generation. We
didn't watch much of the film. We did not because
you know, while Deborah Cox, she has the power of

(01:52:09):
the vocals, and she got like the physicality and the
flavor of Whitney Houston. The writers tried to act like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
I mean the Bobby Brown fan club that birth this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Right that you know, she didn't have a girlfriend. She
had a best friend.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Mm hmmm yeah, Robin, Yeah that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Was not her friend, that was her friend.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
No, my understanding, right, But you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
And once we realized that that's what we were doing,
we were like, yeah, if we're going to watch the
Whitney movie, let's watch the one where they actually agmit
that Whitney was queer.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Yeah, that'd be nice. So yeah, yeah, this one was
you know, kudos to Deborah Cox.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
She did that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
I mean she did, but it was like, I don't know,
like she ain't right it. No, we didn't watch the
whole thing, right. And then because I'm just yeah, really
terse lately about quick representation film, I'm down with that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
And then because we went from black women to musical
black women, Amazon Prime was like, oh, you like black people,
you like music, you like black music. Here here's the
Temptations mini series from nineteen ninety six that I personally
never saw, even though you know, it was part of
like it's a cornerstone of black culture, and like I

(01:53:42):
know all the references, but I never actually saw it
when it aired, right, like you know, I was, I said,
right along with the actor, even though I hadn't seen
it before. Ain't nobody come to see you? Otis you did?
You said that, Yes, I knew it was come you did,
And that was really well done.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
It was entertainment. You know, I love The Temptatione.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Thirty years late, but I finally saw the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Temptation loved the Temptatione.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
And we got to see the new comedy special from
Michelle Buteau. It's a Butteau full life. Yes, she's so
goddamn funny.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
She is funny. I love that she you know, went
after Dave Chappelle. Yeah, and stayed funny while she did it,
but very much on point, very much, you know, mocked
him and his obsession with punching down and attacking our community,
and she said it's unsafe, which it is right, it

(01:54:44):
is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
And the overall point of her of her bringing him
up was talking about how it is possible to talk
about a community and make it funny and not hateful.
And she was like, see how that's possible. Can somebody
go tell Dave Chappelle that? And she said, you know,
he's the goat, assuming that goat means going on about

(01:55:05):
trans people.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
It can be right, going on about trans people. It
can be done. We can tell jokes and stories and
not disparage a whole community. We can do that. We
can make it funny. We just have to work at
it right. So, if you guys ever run into Dave Chappelle,
can you let him know that shit? I don't think
he knows that shit. I don't think we'll ever run

(01:55:28):
into Dave though, because he is the goat. Uh, And
he's the goat if that means going off about trans.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
People, going off about transit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
She later remarked on his jokes not being funny but
actually being dangerous. Make it funny, that's all. I can't
believe somebody would make millions and millions of dollars from
making people feel unsafe.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
That is so wild to me. Mm hmm. And what's
especially cool about that special and that performance, Well, first
of all, she's made history, her history as being the
first woman comedian to have her own solo special at

(01:56:14):
Radio City Music Hall, which I didn't realize. And it's
interesting that she made this commentary about Dave Chappelle and
the danger of him using his platform to spread such
dangerous rhetoric on the platform that gave him that. Yeah,
so I'm like, go off this, That's what I'm talking about.

(01:56:38):
She probably wrote a few jokes coming at Netflix, but
did not save them for obvious reasons. So, yeah, we're
fans of.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
I remember traceless that saying of Dave Chappelle. So at
this point, it's giving client. I don't know what doll
hurt Dave Chappelle, I really don't, but it's giving disgruntled client.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
It's giving anger trick, angry trick.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
It's giving He wanted to kiss on the mouth and
she was like, no, I don't do that. I up
charge for that. If you want to do that, you
got to give me x y Z And he's like,
oh no, ma'am. And his ego was bruised time, so
he went on a rampage. It's giving angry trick?

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Am I lying? Dolls? Am I lying? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Who goes on to make three specials, The Ray Comedy
Specials about the dolls because you can't take get him
some help I loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
I did not lost her for that because I gave
her a shout out for that and she liked.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
It good because it's insane. Yeah, it is insane. The
obsession is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
And it's not funny, pathological, it's really not funny, especially
at this point in history. And you know, I loved
what Michelle did, no notes. I mean, first of all,
she is funny. She's a funny bitch, she is, and
good say it, keep saying it. Yep. Comedy doesn't have
to be that. I mean, how many comedians we know

(01:58:08):
comedians who have said similar Like, if you're saying you're
not allowed to say anything anymore, maybe examine what it
is you're trying to say. Right, maybe you never had
anything good to say in the first place. Right, But
if you can't be funny without punching down, perhaps you
were never funny that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Par Maybe you were just lazy. And you know, we
live in a culture that rewards mediocrity. Everything about that.
Of course you didn't because you're mediocre and you failed
up and you thought you won.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Whatever happened to us, do no harm, you know what
I mean? Like that, just just that concept because punching
down isn't funny. There's so much to punch up about,
and that's just it. I mean, you know, when you
look back at Dave Chappelle's work, I mean, brilliant, brilliant
take on racism in America.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Why stay in your lane?

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
Not mine, right, because now you're just being hurtful and
Tracey's that was right, And I've gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
With people when they try to say that, like, you know,
people didn't used to be so sensitive back in the day,
and you can make these jokes and it was funny.
It's like no, no, no, no, it was shitty then. Yeah,
we just didn't have a comment section because like I
was watching this docu series about Andrew Dice Clay and
you know, people saying, oh, people thought that was funny.

(01:59:22):
Back in the day, there were plenty of non white
people and non straight people who were vocal about their
displeasure at that brand of humor. Correct and pretty much
canceled his career because of that shit. But we forget
about that because you know, you have this white man
on stage talking shit about Asian folks, black folks, gay people,

(01:59:45):
trans people to a sea of screaming white men of course,
and the white women who were trying to like gain
favor from these white men. And he oh, and let's
not even talk about the misogynistic shit he said, especially
to the people in the audience. So you know, that
shit wasn't funny. It was never funny. It was never funny.

(02:00:05):
He was a novelty that got old quick.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
So and y'all are not the ones that have the
comedians we do. We've had to be funny because we've
been dealing with you all our lives.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Anyway, So yeah, so that was good. And I had
been I had been saying for weeks that I wanted
you to start watching The Penguin.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Two episodes or three. I think we watched three. We
watched three. Yeah, I gotta keep going. I can't believe
that is Colin Farrell. I still can't believe That's like
I'm trying to see him in there and I'm just
not saying, so wow.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Yeah, and like I've started watching it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
That's hard to believe. We couldn't find an unattractive heavy man.
But anyway, anyway, Wow, we had we had to make
up Colin Farrell and put him in a pat suit.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
But okay, right, but you know, I was about six
episodes in and I was like, I will start over
for you. Yeah, that's how good I think it is,
and how I much I think you will like it. It
is good.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Yeah, because it's not like a cartoon. It's not a
cartoon move, even though it's based in the Batman world, right,
you know, it's really about a gangster trying to like
make his way, and you know, I think it's very cool.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
I feel like he's giving hints of Tony Soprano in
his portrayal so far.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
And I also enjoy how like much of the cast
are folks who like came to prominence in other HBO series.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
So yeah, we're seeing a lot of yeah, actress who
were in different things and or American horror story and
or not one of them. Yeah, because the dude that
was in Carnival, I think, yes, because we watched we
started watching it with your sister when she was visiting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
Let's yes, probably watch a couple episodes tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Before I go to bed. Maybe that could happen. Yeah,
so we had a little time for television. Yeah, amazingly enough.
Back to work tomorrow for me, tonight tonight for you?
I have work. I have to get finished. Yeah today,
that's true before I go to work tomorrow. Because busy girl.

(02:02:24):
Yes you are.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Did we get everything?

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
Oh? You know what we didn't do?

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Podcast business?

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
Okay, we'll do that all right.

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Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Feel about it?

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Hey, do good?

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I had much
of a point. You know, as we get closer to
the inauguration, just like whatever, I guess, you know, we've
got to keep doing what we do. We've got to
keep you know, building community and trying to make smart decisions,
and I hope standing together and checking in on folks

(02:04:24):
because a lot of folks are not okay right now,
and this is true. Let's do our best to stand
together and challenge some of this absurdity. But again, I
think ahead, right if you're thinking weapons, think ahead, you know,

(02:04:45):
I just it is definitely a good time for self care, yes,
definitely a good time to cook comfort food, maybe get healthy,
make sure you're getting plenty of sleep, drink your water.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Yes, what else we got? Those are good things.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Those are all good things because we just don't really
know where this goes, and we don't know. Hopefully our
courts hold once again, hopefully we have some checks and balances,
and hopefully that hopefully they eat their own, which is
something they're very good at.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
I just hate that we're all so good at it.
So maybe we could knock some of that shit off
for a while and focus, right, I'd like that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
That'd be good.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
There's my wish for the new year. People, focus, focus, focus.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
I'm down.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
Yeah, all right, yeah, I don't think I have anything left. Okay,
you know, well, well we will endeavor to do this
next weekend as well.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
I'm down.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
In the meantime, you've been listening to Full Circle the podcast.
I'm your host Martha Madrigal and.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
I am Charles Tyson Junior.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
And thank you for listening and sticking with us. And
if any of you know someone famous, never mind, we didn't,
did we mention? We finally hit ten thousand downloads? We did?
We hit that number.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
We did, Thank you, finally, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
That's not per episode, that's per lifetime, but still right,
it's a thing. It is, and we have we have
a whole lot of hours and in the in the tank.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Yeah. So if you're a new listener, feel free to
go back and listen to some of the older ones.
There's some good stuff there. If you've been with us
the entire time, thank you so.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Much, and yeah, we look forward to.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Having fresh stuff for you in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
I like to believe our voices are more important than ever. Yeah,
because I think they are.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Yeah, So find somebody with money and send them our
with you. Thank you so much for listening, and have
a great week.

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