The (Almost) Lost Episode

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hello, dear Full Circle listeners.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Charles here.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I know it's been a very long time since you've
heard from us, and we're so sorry. We recorded an
episode and we're ready to bring it to you, and
then we suffered severe technical difficulties that forced us to
go on an unofficial hiatus. No really, the laptop that
I used to edit Blue Screen of Death, the iPad

(00:25):
that I was using as my backup crashed, the desktop
that was last resort crashed, and then I cried. But
we're back up and running with some new equipment, and
we're going to bring you that damned episode because we
refuse to let you go without the deep dive that

(00:47):
Martha and I go through, of the highs and the
lows of everything going on around the world, in the country,
with our community. Because someone's gotta and we missed you.
So with this episode that we're calling the Almost Lost Episode,
we're inviting you to travel back.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
In time with us, all the way back to March thirteenth,
twenty twenty five. Enjoy coming to you from the dining

(01:33):
room table at East Barbary Lane. Welcome to my first
recording of season four. This episode is brought to you
by my return to the mic. I's a married woman
and whine straight from the jug.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome back to the
Full Circle Table. Hello husband, Hello wife, how are you.
I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm married to you and we're sitting across from each
other and real life and I know, recording in front
of microphones.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
What the hell? Man? I was running out of ways
to like find joy. So it was like, what the hell,
let's throw a wedding right at least, you know, we
go down together or whatever. I mean, why stop now?
Why stop? Now? That's funny. It was a great web.

(02:34):
It was perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
It was That was the word that I used every
single time I talked about our wedding.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Perfect And that's the feedback. I love the feedback. Like
it was perfect. It was us. We just spent last
night with some friends who were there and they were
raving about it just was us. And we did brunch.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, because what's more perfect and queer than brunch?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That is true. That is true. I mean we could
have done a dance floor full of poppers, but half
of our guests wouldn't be able to get themselves home
because they don't drive after dark anymore. And that was
part of it, you know. And cost was a factor.
I mean, it was quite reasonable. We found a lovely

(03:19):
well found We go to a lovely local restaurant a
time or two each week, and they were delighted to
host our wedding. Yeah, and I said. The thing I
didn't think about until after the fact was that all
of our very queer and diverse friends would be comfortable.

(03:47):
It didn't, I mean, and I'm always mindful of that,
but in this situation, I was like, of course they
will be like it never right. I didn't do any
calculations before. I just knew it would be fine, right.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
It never occurred to me that they wouldn't as well.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And it was fine. It was great, right, it was
always going to be. We had the best flower girl ever. Facts.
We had a formidable trans woman who wore a beautiful
green dress and fairy wings and distributed petals yes, yeah,
gaily forward all the way up to the front where

(04:25):
she dumped the rest of them on your head and
then sat down. It was fabulous.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, they were silk and the fairy wings were definitely
my idea because I was like, well, if she's going
to be the flower girl, it just makes sense to
me for some reason that she needs to be wearing.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Fairy wings and black combat booths. And she was totally
just representing queer joy indeed, And you know.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And even if that weren't her like actual position, she
would have anyway by being just right.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
But it was like, what did And Brian said, this
was not only the most fun wedding I've ever been
to it, what's the funniest. It's like, well, good, we
are us after all. Yeah, it was supposed to not
be somber. Dear god, it's almost thirteen years I know, yeah,
I mean, lighthearted was perfectly good. Do you feel different?

(05:19):
I do. I didn't think I would. I really didn't
think I would. How do you feel different? It feels
good that we're married? I mean it does feel good.
You've been different, I have. Yeah, you've been so sweet
and attentive and it's like, you know, you finally don't

(05:41):
think I'm fucking around with you and like gonna throw
you out tomorrow or something like. That's my That's what
I'm surmising. I mean, you're not.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Incorrect.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's like, okay, it's finally real.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, there is a lightness about me now, like you know,
there's no more doubts, there's no more doubts or questions.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like we end this together.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
And I didn't really not believe it.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But that's a fair assessment given me. I mean, it
is like it's fair to say, hmm, did always feel solid.
But I'm happy and I am too, and you know,
just I'm your husband. Every signature on our marriage license

(06:29):
is belongs to a person of trans experience because we
got married the day before Transday visibility, and it just
as I thought of it, I was like, oh, that's
what has to happen right here, because our officient it
was Josette Miller, who is the first trans woman elected
to partisan office in the state of New Jersey. That's

(06:49):
a Woodbury City council person, and she officiated and she
did a wonderful job. That kid is going places, indeed,
and again like so the witnesses had to returned to
right like she was one of a very short list
of people that we were thinking of for that, but

(07:12):
she was the one. Well, Kathy wouldn't do it. I said,
you gotta marry us, and she went, I don't want
I don't want that, right, But she walked me up
the aisle.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
She was the one who I like pictured.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
In my mind. Mm hm oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I could say, like everyone on the list would have
done a fabulous job, but joe was the one who
I saw.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, and Joey would have been wonderful too, But like
Joey and I do do the dinner together, Joey and
I have you know, known each other longer, and I
mean it's fair to say we're closer. And I wanted
her to be able to be a guest, right, That's
what I wanted. But she did sign the marriage license, right,

(07:51):
and I love that.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
And it didn't even occur to me until after the fact.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
What you did with that?

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And I was like, oh, oh, I see you.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, And that was the thing. I mean. We had
a lot of trans folk there. We had a lot
of queer folks there. We had certainly a lot of
people of color there. And everyone was fine. Everybody was good.
I mean, this staff was wonderful. And there were some
streets in there too. Yeah, I mean they can't help,
but they were born that way exactly. Yeah, but no,

(08:22):
there were some of them too. We had the sisters
represented we did, God bless them. Yeah, but it was
was that was the hardest part, was the guest Live.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know because like months ago, that's what it feels like.
When we were originally floating the idea of getting married
and actually having a wedding and who would we invite,
and we just started, you know, putting names down that
we would like to come to see us get married,

(08:54):
and we had to stop when we got to three hundred.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Something like that. And it could have gone over that
and it doesn't. I mean, the whole thing was like,
you know a lot of people have said, do you
really even know three hundred people? Actually, yes, we actually.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Do the same Facebook. We actually know these motherfuckers. Yeah,
we were only talking about people that we do.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Know, and a lot of them like have known well yeah,
and that list also included a lot of biological family
who frankly have not been around on my side, so
that was an easy cut.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
There were also a bunch of what I referred to
as obligations, like well, if we invite this one, we
have to invite.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That, we have to do it, and we didn't. We
didn't really do that. We really didn't do that. We
we sat and you know, said who is And I
did make this a priority. Who is the most important
to you to have there? Because this is my third wedding.
I got my cousin a boutineer because he was the

(09:58):
only one that was president all three. But yeah, besides me,
I mean I got to be the bride. But so
I had flowers. But I got him a boot near
for the trifecta and he gave a beautiful toast. Really
do I love that? So three we had three toasts.
This was one of your traditional things. It was so
cute how I'll get back to that. It was so cute,

(10:20):
how very traditional you wanted certain things to be. Our
friend wanted us to jump a broom, which she thought
was very traditional, and you were like, I'm not doing that. Well, right,
it's not my mind. It's not my tradition. Nope, and
I ain't doing it just because some of the ancestors
did so like that. So that was fine. I mean

(10:41):
that was fine, And that's not just me.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I've had a lot of black friends who were like,
I ain't jumping nobody's broom.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Right, Yeah. Not no, not in twenty twenty five, and
not with the way things are going. But then Kathy
had talked about walking us both up the aisle, you know,
less traditional, and you said no, I want to stand
there in my place, and I want to see you
turn the corner, which was enormous pressure. I was like, fuck,

(11:09):
if I don't get this right, goddamn well, I don't
know how you would have gotten it wrong. You had this,
you know, like my bride will be a vision thing,
and you know was I.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Of course, okay, I wasn't worried about that.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean I was pretty fucking snatched.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Snatched and stamped.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I do believe I said you did that, not more
than once. I mean I had help, I really did.
I had help. I loved my dress. I was gonna
wear a suit, originally a white you know, skirt and
blazer because we were talking about just going and doing
something really small, like like really small, do you uh huh?

(11:53):
Do you? Uh huh? Yeah, like a quicker wedding and
then a few friends out to dinner in Philly or something, right,
and then for thank god, the suits were hideous. Yeah,
well yeah, so I sent them back and I ordered
two of them because I thought one of them has
got to be exactly what I want. I. Neither one

(12:14):
looked good on me at all, so I immediately ordered I.
Right as I was waiting for them to arrive, I
found this dress and I loved it. And it's one
of those dresses you order to you know, it's made
to order, right, so you choose your fabric and your
your color and your sigh. And I wanted white satin

(12:35):
and it was perfect. It fit perfect, like I didn't
need anything altered. It was tea length because it was
a morning wedding and I didn't a gown didn't feel right.
We got married on a deck, right, Yeah, it just
would have felt like too much to me. But this
was perfect. And the thing that was kind of driving
the suits was I have my mother's collection of hats

(12:59):
and fascinators from the late forties through the late well
probably through the mid sixties, yeah, and maybe beyond, because
you know, she wore them for events to church, Da da,
da dad. So I have several and I had found
one that was black with white flowers that I really loved.
It had a black veil, but we were going to

(13:20):
put a white veil on it with maybe some black beads,
and I thought it would be perfect because the one
suit had black piping, and that when we scraped the suit,
we scrapped the thing and I bought a brand new
white fascinator that really was perfect. It was, and Elizabeth
found took one of my mother's rhinestone pins from like

(13:43):
the probably late forties and just tucked it into the
back of the arrangement at the top of my head,
so that that was my something old. You couldn't even
say that, really, but I know it was that you
were lovely. Thank you. You were a lovely bride. Yeah,
I put some thought into that ship. Unfortunately, we had

(14:04):
a run through of my hair Friday, wait, the Saturday
before the wedding, and that wound up being black tike
A bingo. Right, So I practiced my makeup for the
wedding and Joan practiced my hair for the wedding, and

(14:26):
then I threw my gown on and we went to
black taike A bingo. So we got to do that.
Even though AIDS Fund has handed the baton to action wellness,
yes they did, yea. Our good friends invited us to
join them as their wedding present, which was what a
lovely wedding present. It was wonderful every all of our
friends from the AIDS Fund were honored. Yes, and I

(14:48):
looked pretty damn good you did. So that was my
that was my trial run.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, black taig a bingo was I felt all the emotions.
Oh yeah, because you know it's I don't it's already
you know the event that it is, and you know,
you feel you have the sadness for you know, being
reminded of all the people that we lost. But then
it was also like when the director, the executive director

(15:17):
of Action Wellness was doing the speech and I realized, Wow,
we're moving on.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
This is not what it's been, right, this is moving
on in a new direction.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
AIDS Fund was originally founded to raise money for the
care organizations that were treating folks with HIV because at
that point in the late eighties, there was no funding,
I mean, you know other than what we created for ourselves.
And that's that's how AIDS Fund got their beginning. That

(15:50):
was the genesis of the AIDS Walk, which AIDS Fun
of course did. AIDS Fund was and kind of still is.
I believe the Keeper of the Quilt in Philadelphia, which
we've you know, proudly been part of several displays of
the quill. And in twenty seventeen, they pivoted because they realized,

(16:14):
you know, the landscape had changed and they didn't need
to be giving the you know, the money that they
were raising, they didn't need to be handing to organizations
that now were well funded I mean up until this administration. Yeah,
So they started doing microgrants. They started keeping the money
that they've raised, and they were doing microgrants for you know,

(16:36):
folks living with infected or affected by HIV and you know,
life saving micro grants. You know, direct payment, catch up,
catch up the rent, you know, pay the gas bill
before it gets shut off. Get get a refrigerator, yeah,
if you need a refrigerator to keep your meds. Yeah,
like that kind of thing. And it was wonderful. And

(16:58):
they did that from twenty seventeen through the end of
twenty twenty four. And you know, part of this corporate
sponsorship for the kinds of things that they did are
is you know, not really there yep, like it used
to be, because corporation's buying larger cowards. Thank you. I

(17:19):
was going to use the word coward so many right,
I still love Target, I know, No no more, Nope, I've
been there, Like, I just you know what, now.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
If it weren't for the fact that our pharmacy happened
to be housed inside of the Target building.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, right, but it's the CBS and they just live there.
And I'm not retraining a pharmacist. I have a great pharmacist,
right and team who have always been very respectful, you know,
just in every regard. You know, they've it's never been
a problem to get my life saving medication. So yeah,

(18:00):
out that we can keep doing, right, I'm just saying,
we got a grocery shop at the Target for crying
out louts. Yeah, so convenient.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
But I'm just saying, like, if the CVS weren't in there,
we would never set foot in a building a tall.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Well not right now unless they get what they wise up.
And this started, uh with with pride, with the way
that they backpedaled, you know, pride during twenty twenty four
like fuck you, and then this was just the big
fuck you that the whole let's roll back, DEI, let's
preemptively comply with you know, aarn shitler because whatever shitler. Yeah,

(18:37):
and yeah, no, I'm not okay with that. I'm I'm
really proud of my organization because A I am co
chair of the Cultural Competency Committee. But B we doubled down, Yeah,
you do. You know, we doubled down on the language
around DEI that every new employee walks into to make

(18:58):
sure that they understand that that commit and remains strong,
damn it, and that you know, diversity does matter, damn it.
And it certainly matters, you know, in an organization with
a queer and trans led program for this community. I'm sorry,
but we can't abandon those principles.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Because then what are y'all even doing there?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Well?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Right, so, I mean that was that was wonderful that
we were all in agreement, like well, one of us
was like, well, should we take out that? Should we
take out the acronym? I like, no, we should say
it three times, right, No, we're not removing anything exactly.
If that, if DEI makes you uncomfortable, you there's something

(19:40):
fucked up about you that part. I'm sorry, But if
that makes you uncomfortable, if you're that insecure in your whiteness,
you need therapy. You don't need us to drop the initiative,
right you know, for real? You need there, I mean,
and that's my new thing.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'm just telling people stop being a fragile white just
stop it.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, people, people don't realize, you know, or care. I
guess I don't know, but you know that this is
this goes far beyond race and gender and sexual orientation.
This is this is about disability, people with disabilities. Yeah,
you know, being able to be a productive part of
the workforce. This is about way more than skin color.

(20:26):
And it's just so deeply offensive that you can turn
something you know that has to exist because racism in
America remains, you know, rampant and unabated, and and say
we don't need it, and you know we don't need it.
It was wrong to know your idea of a level

(20:47):
playing field is white mediocrity being celebrated while everyone else
is pretty much frozen out. That's what you love.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Right, And to them, DEI equals black, So they think
they're getting rid of black, getting rid of DEI, right,
and and not realizing, well, not realizing how many people
benefit from DEI policies. Right, It's way more than they thought.

(21:17):
And they're getting backlashed from way.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
More people than they thought they would. And you know,
they they they say it's not I mean, I have
to surmise that they're saying it's no different than affirmative action.
And again, affirmative action was necessary. Affirmative action was important
and shouldn't have been removed, right, you know, there is

(21:41):
nothing wrong with checking in and saying, are we giving
a fair shake? Right? Are we considering you know, where
folks come from in finding the best and the brightest
for our institution, you know whatever? Or are we just yeah,
doing what makes us comfortable. And that's why there's DEI, right,

(22:03):
because that's what human resource professionals tend to do is
hire people that are comfortable with That's what supervisors tend
to do, is you know, if they are white, witch
many many supervisors, they tend to want to hire white people, right.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
And DEI is not just you know, we need this
many black people, this many brown people, this many age
it's why are their inequities? And what can we do
to level that playing field so that there are not
these inequities. It's a more wide sweeping thing than ticking boxes.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
It is it is, you know, and it you know.
It also touches on cultural humility and cultural sensitivity and
understanding the way that different cultures or religions, you know,
and cultures affect the ways that we can effectively see
each other and deal with each other and and you know,

(23:06):
know one another better. You know, some of the things
we've done at work, you know, it is really get
into talking about each holiday as it comes around, not
just the Christian ones, right, but we talk about those
as well. You know, we don't we didn't stop talking
about Christian holidays, but we said, you know what, there's
all the holidays, right, and that's just included. I was happy.

(23:29):
So in case you wondered why it took me so
long to recruit, you know, I was planning a wedding.
That was That was one thing. Yeah, you know, work
has been busy. Work has been busy since November, and
frankly it's gotten even more intense, you know, since the
inauguration for reasons, for reasons, anyway, I've been really busy.

(23:51):
One of the things that was cool that happened is
in you know, last year, when we kind of started
highighlighting employees during certain months, they did a staff spotlight
on me during Pride month, right, Yeah, which was lovely.
I mean it was beautiful, it was it was wonderful
and I appreciated it. This year, they did one about

(24:16):
me during Women's History Month, which got to tie. It
meant a lot, yeah, you know, with the current climate,
and you know the fact that one of my colleagues
nominated mem is Beautiful meant a lot, right, meant a
lot and felt important, felt good. Yeah, so that happened.

(24:38):
Work has been insane, like they own me Monday through Thursday.
They just they do. Fortunately, I still have a four
day work week. And then we got married right at
the end of March, and so I guess our new
season was March, right, started the beginning of March, March first, right,
And you've been carrying the load, thank you, with some

(25:00):
wonderful interviews. Yes, oh absolutely, I mean the content has
been great. I just haven't had to do anything. But
that was it. We started planning the wedding like kind
of mid February, like toward the end of February, and
that's that's what I've been doing with my like free time, haha,
is you know, planning a wedding, getting ready for that.

(25:21):
Your sisters were coming in from Pittsburgh, which is great.
They were both there, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Everyone had a fabulous time. They did worlds colliding. So
many worlds collided at our wedding. A lot of them
knew one another or at least knew of or knew one.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Of one another. Like I wasn't aware aware of who
didn't know each other, right, But I know that new
connections were made, which were great. You know, I love
that when that happens. That was a tough guest list.
It really won't know if we closed that conversation or
just kept moving forward, but it was tough. The room

(26:00):
holds sixty people, yeah, six zero.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
And I believe I said before we were up to
three hundred.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, So I mean these were people who were close,
who are near and dear, and I don't we didn't
invite anyone we have not met together a person like
I don't think, with.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
The exception of my friend from upstate New York.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That I would have been meeting him for the first time.
But like, we didn't invite. There were a couple of
people we didn't invite partners because we don't really know
the partner and right, yeah, y'all are dating and hey, right,
and it was really a space issue. Ruffled a couple
of feathers and I'm sorry, but not you know, because
that it was important to me that you have as

(26:45):
many of everyone you wanted there as possible. And I
appreciate that. Yeah, first only wed that's right, damn it.
So you know that that was that mattered. We had
a lot of dance folk there, we did. And that's
the thing. We could have had six times the number
of dance folk, right, but these were the close ones.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Well that's how we got to three hundred, because it's like, okay, well,
if we have like the dance folks, that's easily one
hundred right there.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Well, and this is what happens when you get to
our age and plan a wedding, right, I mean we
just you know, iterations and times and jobs and and
you know.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
It's like by the time we have like the artists
and then like the queers that aren't automatically overlapped within
the artists, it's like we ain't even invited nobody who
were related to yet yet.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, And I mean it was even hard among Transli folks.
It was really tough because you know, I've got newer
folks that have been around a good year or more
and just not I don't know them as well, right,
you know, it's the ones that've been to our home,
you know, and that we both know and show up

(28:02):
at the dinners. And so it was tough. There were
a couple of people I really wished I could have
had there and just it didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It was very much like, oh, so and so can't
make it that frees up a spot though.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, right, and we did. We did that up until
the very end. But you know, it gets silly it
you know, in that last week, I wasn't gonna do
that to anyone because then I don't is that better,
Like we come to my wedding in three days. I
don't know that that's better. Well yeah, you know, after rely, yeah,
it's like, hey, you were on the list, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's like the club we got room for two.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
More, right, I mean fortunately, so I loved what we
did with the invitation because we put it out the
text message actually we just paperless post yes, and it
was beautiful, and you know it was this was not
a paid advertisement.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
But if y'all want to sponsors, we can have some
really lovely testimonials.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
We could. But it was a photo of us and
you know, it said finally with an exclamation point on
the front. And everyone got it at once. Yeah, and
that was kind of important in this digital age, yeah,
because a lot of folks didn't didn't know what was coming. Yeah. Yeah,
So that was fun. And then, you know, we were

(29:23):
lucky that a lot of people are svped right away,
so we knew where we had some space, right and
then we could work or we do on that list
of you know, hey, I want you here too. But
that worked out. It was great. We didn't and now

(29:43):
I'm your husband, you were my husband, I'm your wife.
It's true. And then we took one day off, which
was tetuff, and then back to work on Tuesday because
I had a major presentation the following week and I
hadn't written it. Yeah, so I had to go do that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And you were a motherfucking rock star.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Heard good things about it, heard good things, good feedback.
It happened at the NAJAMA Conference, which NAJAMA is the
New Jersey Association of Mental Health and Addiction Agencies, so
it's kind of the Chamber of Commerce for behavioral health.
A lot of friends and colleagues, but we were the

(30:26):
only two from our organization presenting, which is pretty awesome
because our organization got agency of the Year basically Addiction
Agency of the Year, and our CEO got a Lifetime
Achievement award. She will be retiring in September. Kendrey and McWilliams.
It was wonderful and you know, part of the presentation

(30:47):
because really we talked about, Okay, we built this thing
from the ground over two years, right, this is we're
now entering year three, and these are the things we learned,
and these are the things we know became important. And
one of them was, you know, the absolute support from
leadership and having an ear with them, right and being

(31:09):
able to go to them when things just you know,
we needed some change, we needed things to be different,
and having them listen more importantly, yeah, more importantly, you know.
And what happened New Jersey just with this, So the
grant that I work under was DEMAS, which is the
Division of Mental Health and Addiction Services in New Jersey.

(31:32):
New Jersey just lost seventy five million dollars with the
stroke of that jackass billionaire's pen because they very effectively
were using money that was originally earmarked for COVID to
start really important programming in terms of addiction to mental health.
And yeah, the money just stopped. And you know that

(31:58):
means my agency loses a million dollars if this goes through,
and that includes my entire grant. Fuck you elon exactly.
There's already a court in junction. It involves twenty three states.
It wasn't just New Jersey. Oh, but this vindictive slashing
of services, you know, affects real people and profound ways that.

(32:23):
You know, one of the things that happened the day
that this was all announced, and it's gonna hurt us
if it happens. But you know, our program continues, and
that was wonderful to learn because you know, they cut
a fire.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Everyone was so wet and rightfully. So yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know, there's a commitment there. And we are up
for another Social Innovation Award this year. So let's see
what happens with that. I voted, Yeah, not at all.
By the time this comes out, voting will be closed,
will be close, but we'll, you know, we will of
course update you and whether or not yea, we take
home a prize. I'm glad you fold it.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
But yeah, that's that whole thing. It cracks me up
the people that are like I don't understand why people
are so mad at ela and he's finding all this
corruption and he's fa he's not, And it's like, what
is your proof of that besides him saying so.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's the only proof, and they believe him and he's lying.
It's provable.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's like me going into the next room and then
coming out and saying, oh my god, there's a pile
of gold bricks in there. You can't see them, but
trust me they're there. Right, it's the same thing I'm finding,
all this corruption, all this like lost money.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
No, no, these cuts are hurting people. These cuts are
digging deep into things that are vitally important, you know,
and to the most vulnerable among us. And it is
repugnant that the United States of America would treat you know,

(33:58):
fellow citizens this way, filly human beings this way. It's disgusting.
It's almost like I hear the courts hold and I
hope the courts can stop it. But yeah, no, these
people don't care about it. I mean, and every Republican
that votes with their along party lines, Yeah, they don't
give a shit who dies, They really don't. They don't
give a shit who goes hungry, who loses housing, who

(34:20):
loses you know, they they don't care, they don't care,
they care about power, you know, in this cult is
just a sickness, you know. And I've seen the meme
more than once. But it's like, if you ever wondered
what good Germans were doing as the Nazis came to power,

(34:41):
this is it. You're doing it. Yep, you're doing it.
If you're not resisting, you're accepting. Yep. If you're not
speaking up, you're you're part of the problem being just
because right now it's allegedly undocumented folks. It hasn't been

(35:03):
only they are picking up citizens, yeah, or we're next
to you know, folks who have an absolute legal right
to be here. And if you don't care about that,
then if they show up for you and you don't
care about due process, if they show up for you
and say, hey, you're not a citizen, nobody's going to

(35:24):
be there to listen to you say otherwise because you
didn't give a fuck about just due process exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I mean there's snatching, like there were snatching people that
were pillarge of the community, like.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
They're still doing out there front. It's hideous. It is hideous.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
But when I say Gestapo, people get mad at me.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
And here's here's the other thing. It's like the people
collecting a paycheck to do this need to check themselves this,
you know, this rush you know, to to anticipatory compliance
is ridiculous. Executive orders are suggestions, they're not laws. No,

(36:04):
And you know, I hope y'all get the message soon
that you know, when the Nazis wound up being held
accountable for some of the atrocities they did, I was
just following orders. Was not an acceptable excuse, noop. It
was a common excuse, but it was concept Oh yeah,

(36:26):
oh yeah, easy to justify. But you know these ice,
ice agents and cops who are just like, you know,
jumping on this band.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
It's disgusting acab includes ice.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well yeah, of course, but no, it's it's it's scary stuff.
It's scary stuff, and it's happening and and so yeah,
we've got to keep speaking up because guess what if
they're not targeting you right now, wait and if you
believe you're safe because I don't know, skin collar money

(37:01):
in the bank, again, careful what you say. I guess
you know, and silence won't save you. So whatever we're
going to see, we're gonna see a lot of people.
You know, we've had that. We had major, major, you know,
peaceful protests all over this country, m you know, quite recently.

(37:26):
Good to see I that has to scare them. Don't
stop doing that. Don't stop writing into your congressman, don't
stop telling your politicians that this shit is not okay.
You know, I know that it's easy to get cynegal
and say they don't listen and they don't care, you know,
but if it's enough of us, especially if it's the

(37:47):
people who you know, are part of their own party,
it will scare them. If they weren't so frightened of
we the people, they wouldn't need all this anger. They
wouldn't need all this forcefulness. They wouldn't need to burn
books and fire teachers for using you know, a preferred name.

(38:09):
We wouldn't need to do all this if their ideas
were correct, and if they were confident that their way
was you know, right, it would it would hold up
to scrutiny. It doesn't, It doesn't hold up to anything.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And you know what I love that came out of
the protest, specifically the hands off protest that happened. Yeah,
so there was the I'm gonna call it a movement
amongst black folks, basically like sit your black ass down,
like sit it out, let them.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Deal with it well.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And so I saw this video of this white woman
and she was talking about how she went to one
of the protests and she was like, and at first
I was like, where are all the black people? And then
I remember, you know, they were talking about we're not
we're sitting this out, and she said, I looked around
and I realized there were no cops, there were no

(39:07):
military presents, and it was like, so why would they
have why aren't they there when the black people aren't there?
And she started connect putting two and two together, and
she was like, oh, should I get it? Like I
was watching her understand in real time. Oh good, And
she was like, Okay, I get it because she was like,
I was willing to put myself in harm's way for

(39:28):
the rights of people that were not like me anyway.
But now that I see, like, really.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
What's going on? Hell?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, Like I'm more angry than I was before. I'm like,
you go ahead, says now, let's see if you go
out again buying large.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It was not black people who brought this about, right,
and it's not our problem to fix fair. I'm an venture.
You know, trans people sure as fucked didn't bring it
about either, Thank you, and can't fix it alone. Right.
We are too small a percentage of the popul It
is the white ladies, it is you know, if you

(40:06):
as you see people you know, and we know that's
what it takes for Republicans. They got to be personally
affected by something hard to go. Oh wait a minute,
hold on Nancy Reagan was there's the meme out there
for all the times that she changed her mind because
it affected her personally. Finally, and that's what Republicans do.

(40:30):
You know, that's their ethos. I'm gonna get mine, fuck
you and yours. You know. I will give a few
pennies at church because I don't want tax dollars to
actually equalize anything, right, you know, So I want you
to beholden to me so that if I don't like you,
you don't get my money my money.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I want to thank you for moving on because I
had a really mean written Nancy Reagan joke.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm glad you kept the pushing. Let's just keep it. Yeah,
you know what's great about Nancy wagons she's dead. Yep.
That and that was think Ronnie.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I wonder if they have her throat in the Smithsonian.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't know, is that where it belongs. It belongs somewhere, because.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I mean fewer people will have seen it in the
Smithsonian than Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
But anyway, yeah, well, moving back in the day, she
was quite well known for the throat Goat, the throat Goat. Okay,
so we've done a few cultural things. Again, these were

(41:42):
other things that we were doing while we you know,
you were recording and carrying things and I was like
scrambling around. We went and saw Rennie Harris Pure Movement,
we did.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
So we talked about on the show last year how
Renny Harris Pure Movement had their thirtieth was.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It thirtieth anniversary?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I think it was, Yeah, that's yeah, thirty year anniversary
and how amazing that was.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Well, that.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Was part of an artist in Residency program that Rennie
is involved in at Penn and so in addition to
that retrospective performance that he did, he has to create
two new works, two original new works for his residency.
So the show that we saw a few weeks ago

(42:38):
was the first original work of that residency. And it
was called American street Dancer.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
It was tight. It was amazing. It was tight like
it was.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
It took you from you know, the roots of Africa
to today, and like all of it was like street performing.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Like the storytelling was brilliant, it really was.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And there was some style of dance that I was
unfamiliar with, like I was.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
And his dancers are the truth for real. The one
tap dancer, oh my god, I know, how was she
still breathing for real? Though, I'm just going, oh my god, right,
oh my god. Well and everyone else, but you know,
and I left.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
How like the orchestra was the Rennie Harris Orchestra, and
it was like these young like bucket drummers YEP on
one side, three beat boxers on the other side, and
then in the middle was DJ raisor Ramone. And I
was just like, oh my god, this is so amazing.
And and I said to you, it was like the
idea of the DJ as a showman is something that

(43:45):
has been all but lost and it was right back
there on stage. I was so happy that we got
to see that show. I didn't know what to expect,
and it more than surpassed any expectations.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I might have had. It was brilliant. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
If you get the chance to see Rennie Harris pure
movement wherever you happen to be, and they could literally
be anywhere in the world at any given point, definitely run,
don't walk.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Because they are a sight to behold. Yeah, it was,
and you know they ran it through without an intermission
and it felt like a minute. It just yeah, no, notes,
just can't wait for a part two, right, like, damn,
where do you even go next? We're gonna find out.

(44:38):
We're gonna find out because.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
He'll either be historical or topical or both.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
In Lord So and our friend Julia Scotti, who we
have interviewed on the show Friend of the Pod. Yeah,
Julia of course was in America's Got Talent comedian who
came out, you know, semi finalist semi finalists. Yeah, came
out to America as a trans woman, you know, which

(45:05):
was she got twenty five years ago, came in twenty
five years ago. She transitioned. But you know that was
a that was a you know, an act of resistance
and boldness. And she wrote a play she did and
they I know that there was a reading and I
forget why we couldn't make it to the stage reading,

(45:28):
but we didn't. Right, There was definitely a reason, otherwise
we wouldn't, I write right. And they did a I
can't say full production because there were not there were
not many rehearsals, right, most of the actors were not
off book. There was a set, there was a set.

(45:48):
There was blocking. Yeah, they did some blocking. They did.
You know, it was a production. They bring it to
night production.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I'd say it was a common It was like a
hybrid of stage reading and yes, stage production.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yes, great to see. I mean I felt like, yeah,
we're workshopping it. Really great to see. The script is great.
The script is really good. Yeah it is. It's really good.
I love where it goes and where it ends, and.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's got Julia's voice all over.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It really does and with I can see what it
has the potential to be. And I really like it. Yeah,
I really like it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm curious to see how it grows.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, I want to see it done again. I want
to see, you know, the actors have more time to
work with. Yeah, the material. Yeah, I want to see
this grow because I really liked it. I really did.
It's set in nineteen sixty nine, brilliant in New York.

(46:54):
Right Jersey, Jersey, Right, dah, Jersey. She's from North Jersey.
Where she's from? Yeah, just outside of New York, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
It had some the affectations. That's why I was like, yeah,
it's definitely Jersey. Yeah Jersey.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yep. Yeah, Love and Shade can't wait to see what
else happens. We should. You know, I'm thinking about having
her back on just to talk about, you know, catch
up and talk about where we are now. You know,
I've thought about doing that as part of season four, Like,
let me go back to a few of the folks
we had some great conversations with and say, so, how

(47:32):
you doing right? How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I mean we wanted to have Julia on in anticipation of.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Her play, but timing marriage that stuff. Yeah, taking a
moment for our own personal self care and joy and celebration.
It was really important, timely and amazing. Yeah. I think

(48:02):
that that's the list of stuff we said we were
just going to talk about. Why don't we take a break, Yes,
and then we'll you know, move forward. Sounds good to me. Okay,
we'll be right back. We'll be right back and we're back.

(48:33):
We're back. You would never know that through the magic
of the pause button. I just performed one of my
wifely duties. I put dinner, and I'm so grateful. I'm
just saying, that's the one that got done.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
You hadn't qualified, and I still said, and I'm so grateful.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But no, that was the one. So a lot of
people died since last week chatted.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It's true one being and I just learned this yesterday.
Eliza ray Shup, who is the first person in the
US to be legally recognized as non binary. They passed
away at the age of sixty one.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, this person was like a detransitioner
for a little while and got sucked into that whole
ugly world. Yeah, and kind of came back around. She
actually died January twenty seventh by suicide. So did we
just find out because the article is from last week?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I know.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I think them just got around to sharing it. In life,
they were a complicated figure in trans politics and culture.
In twenty sixteen, sixteen years after retiring from the US Army,
shop then fifty two, successfully sued in Oregon for the
right to be recorded as non binary. On government paperwork,

(50:12):
and then later in life, apparently she changed pronouns from
them to she her. There was a conservative shift after
the court case, and she began calling herself a d sister,
publicly denouncing transgenderism as a fraud, playing into the false
narrative that trans people are likely to grow out of

(50:35):
gender dysphoria. After several years embedded within the anti trans movement,
shep renounced her affiliation with such politics, and a twenty
twenty two blog post saying she had begun to reidentify
as a transgender woman and expressed regret for having sold
anti trans ideologies to the media and the public. The

(50:58):
following year, she leaked to twenty six hundred pages of
emails from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one to mother Jones,
and they were later made publicly available by prolific trans
activist Maya Arson from You. The Deutsche emails, so named
for former South Dakota Republican Fred Deutsche, with whom Shupe

(51:19):
frequently communicated, provided extensive details about the strategies of major
anti trans personalities, politicians, and groups, including correspondence between and
about members of the Heritage Foundation Family Research Council, Alliance
Defending Freedom, the American College of Pediatricians, which is not

(51:40):
the real one, and others. Yeah, I got the vibe
that they wanted me to help, but they wouldn't trust
somebody like me around their kids. Correct. Feeling valued by
conservatives had given her purpose, even though she was simply
being used. What is it like, one said, somebody like

(52:01):
rapid ones at gender dys for your co creator, Lisa
Marciano sends me a new mission to go on. I
got something to do. I'm useful now. I'm no longer
this loser on disability. I'm a useful person to a movement. Yeah, anyway,
of course, this is fun. The day of her death,

(52:25):
Trump issued an executive order seeking to ban trans people
from active military service. Anyway, she did right. It's fair
to say that my intense suffering meant nothing to radical
and gender critical feminists, conservatives, and faith based groups. Of
course it didn't. That that act should serve as a

(52:47):
cautionary tale for others who may choose to get involved
with these groups at their own peril. By doing so,
you will simply become a useful idiot upon in their
injuryous war against the transgender population. No shit. Well, yeah,

(53:07):
complicated life to say the least, and you know, decided
not to move forward after at the age of sixty one.
That's hard. It's hard every time, you know. And it's
not the only story like this, right, because that's just
a thing that feeds the narrative. But it's never true. People, don't,

(53:30):
you know, go to all the trouble. They might change
the word a little bit, right, they might you know, say, hey,
come to think of it, I'm not as binary as
I once thought I was. You know, there's some wiggle room.
But you know, pray away, which I recommend every Christian watch.
You know, those folks who founded Exodus International, you know,

(53:53):
and are all of course now out and living with
partners and renouncing everything they did and being their actual selves,
their actual selves and trying to atone for all the
damage that they did and all the lives that you know,
they're responsible for ending. Right, you know that one person
walking around saying that they were no longer a trans
woman retransitioned and there's a trans woman. Because it doesn't

(54:19):
go away, right, it doesn't go away, but okay, whatever, right, anyway, Yeah,
I hope that you know, in death she finds the
piece that she couldn't find in life, as though what
else she got? Val Kilmer, Yeah, Bell Kilmer died. That
was sad, Yeah, because you know, I know, I've grown

(54:43):
up with his films. He was sixty five. Yeah, great actor. Yeah,
and Jim Morrison and Batman, you know, right. He tried
of pneumonia. According to his daughter Mercedes Kilmer, he was
diagnosed with throat cancer in twenty fourteen but later recovered.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Like, the first thing I remember seeing him in was
the movie Willow in the early eighties.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
My sister took me to see that. He played mad
mart again. Okay, he was in Top Gun of course.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Right, one of the gayest movies ever. Oh yeah, and
one of my favorite roles was he played the detective,
the gay detective in the movie Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang
with Robert Downey Junior. One of the funniest movies ever. Like,
my favorite line that Val Kilmer had was like, if

(55:39):
you look up the if you look up fucking idiot
in the dictionary, do you know what you'll find? And
Robert Downey Junior said, a picture of me. He was like, no,
a definition of a fucking idiot, which is what you fucking.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Are all right? Anyway? Uh? He was. He was, you know,
a very challenged actor, really owned a lot of roles.
That was. That was two thousand and five. What Kiss, Kiss,
Bang bang? Yeah yeah, preston peace, Brest in Peace. His

(56:18):
neighbors where he grew up were Roy Rogers and Dale Evans,
and his high school classmates were Kevin Spacey and Mayor
Winningham Interesting. Yeah, yeah, grew up in Hollywood. He did
go to Juilliard, made a Broadway debut in eighty three.
Broadway debut and What the Slab Boys, a drama by

(56:44):
John Byrne about young workers in a Scottish carpet factory,
with a cast that included Sean Penn and Kevin Bacon.
That's some eighties shit right there, right. Yeah. He was
Hamlet at the Colorado Shakespeare Festival in Boulder in eighty eight.

(57:05):
In ninety two, the male lead Giovanni, opposite Gene triple
Horn in a public theater production of the tragedy. 'tis
pity She's a whore? Anyway? Yeah? Yeah, rest in peace,
Rest in Peace? What else I go? Oh? So I'm

(57:27):
old enough to remember Jay North as Dennis the Menace
in re runs same in reruns. He played Dennis the
Menace from nineteen fifty nine until nineteen sixty three, before
even I was born. Yeah, he died at how old
was he seventy three? Seventy three, Yeah, in Florida on

(57:50):
April sixth. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
His professions under Wikipedia says model, voice, actor, jailor, film actor.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
He was a correction officer apparently after he left show business,
and he also used his experiences as a child performer
to council other children working in the entertainment industry.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I'm sure that was valuable, because Lord knows.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Lord knows. So he died in Lake Butler, Florida, at
his home of colo rectal cancer.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
He had been battling the disease for several years. He
was survived by his wife, Cindy Hackney, and three step daughters.
Rest in peace. Yeah, So we're going to focus on
good news from this point before for yes large because yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
The format of this show isn't really going to change,
but yeah, you're you're going to notice the good news
section is going to.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Be a lot longer and the cavalcade a lot short. Yeah,
we need to do because I gotta stay interested in
I gotta tell you, I.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Was actually very pleased to see how much good news
I could put together.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Like I had to stop myself. There's a lot here,
I know. All right, well, let's get into it. So,
while I am not a Survivor fan, I know that
Kathy is Kathy and Bill religiously watched Survivor.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
That show confuses me.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, I hear you. So one of the contestants from
last year has come out as a transman, Terry Chirrichillo
from season forty seven of Survivor forty seven. Yeah, god damn.
Now is identifying as a transgender man. Apparently during the
season identified as non binary. Pronouns are now he and they? Okay, Yeah,

(59:53):
freelance writer who became a fan favorite unless your season
the first out non binary contestant. You know, I read
the article. It's a big, long article. You know, it
looks like he was kind of wrestling with that before.
But he's like, you know, national television wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Where I was going to do it, right, which is fair, right,
It's interesting when you are going on national television like that.
Like I was just listening to an interview with Cornbread,
who was a contestant on season fourteen of thirteen or
fourteen of Drag Race, and she was talking about how

(01:00:35):
she didn't she had just started taking hormones when she
got on the show, but didn't say anything during the show,
and then publicly came out after the show had aired,
and when asked about like you know, she was like,
I've decided to present as my I'm going to say,
quote unquote boy self on the show because that was

(01:00:56):
the person whose dream it was to be on television,
So I wanted to present that way as a love
letter to that person.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting take.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
You couldn't pay me to move backwards in my presentation, No,
could not. No, No, I can't fathom. But that's me, right,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
And I've heard many stories of a lot of girls
who went on that show and had to de transition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Or hide because of what the rules were. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah, Luckily that's not a thing anymore. But I agreed,
there's a lot of them from what I'm hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah show. Yeah, so I'm reading out of LGBTQ Nation, right,
there is a program apparently meant to bring necessary voices
to the halls of power. The headline reads electing more
trans folks will help fight hate. This unique new program
can help make that happen. I see Zoe's effort's picture here.

(01:02:05):
The LGBTQ Plus Victory Institute, which runs campaign trainings and
leadership programs for our politicians, has teamed up with Advocates
for Trans Equality to create a specialized training extension specifically
for trans gender, nonconforming and non binary people who want

(01:02:26):
to run for office. This first of its kind collaboration
will focus on the needs and experiences of these candidates
and provide tailored resources in programming to address the issues
based on the campaign trail and beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And it's a unique set of circumstances and needs I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Think yeah, The executive director at Advocates for Trans Equality said,
from city council to the US House, more and more
trans people are running for and winning elections despite the
onslaught of hate from the Republican Party. I like that
absolutely where it's coming from, although some Democrats need to

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do better. The LGBTQ Plus Victory Funds twenty twenty four
Out on the Trail report found that about fifteen percent
of LGBTQ plus candidates last year were trans gender nonconforming
or non binary, a number that has almost doubled since
twenty twenty. Trans people who want elections last year include

(01:03:25):
Zoe's Ephyr, Iowa Wrap, Amy Wigtendahl, Chicago Water Reclamation District Commissioner,
Precious Brady Davis, and House rap Sir McBride, the first
out trans member of Congress who doesn't like being first.
Even in moments of despair, we are still building power

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to secure rights and defend democracy. Trans people are in
every state across the country, and we are so proud
to partner with LGBTQ plus Victory Institute to ensure our
voices are heard at every level government. Excellent work, excellent.
We know a lot of folks over run and a
few who have won. And yeah, yeah, yeah, I love

(01:04:08):
it because, you know, back to the idea, you know,
if they know us, if they know that they know us,
it's a lot harder to hate us. Yeah, yeah, it is.
So this is good, good stuff. I should love to
keep an eye on what's going on. The Victory Institute
looks like has an upcoming conference in September, so they'll

(01:04:29):
be specialized training after you know, the generalized program of
the first four days and the specialized training will take
place in Los Angeles from September seven through September nine.
I love it. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of great. It
is great if you have the stomach for politics that part,
that part, and have interest. Yeah, I think they'd probably

(01:04:52):
like to hear from you, so do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Like, while you would be invaluable in politics, I think
this is a better place for your your big mouth, yeah,
my big mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, well that's just it. You know, I'm never gonna
bring you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I don't take a stand for anything energy and I'm
just here to serve the people of my state. And
I'm not really trans and please look over there whatever
that energy is, like, never gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Right, I'm just picturing you, like back in some Republicans
up against the wall, like the fuck are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
See, that's what I'm thinking and that yeah, and that
probably doesn't get votes. I mean it would get my vote,
but which I appreciate, but yeah, probably don't want to
do that. So also from Algiputination from Thursday the tenth,
speaking of z Always Effort. Speaking of Always Effort, Zephyr and

(01:05:59):
Freshman trans lawmaker S. J. Howell have been instrumental in
defeats for right wing Republicans provisions in two state bills
that targeted transgender identity in Montana were stripped from the
legislation and passed with bipartisan support on Wednesday, the latest
in a string of victories for trans rights in the
Treasure State. Two more wins for trans people in Montana,

(01:06:22):
exclaimed Zoe's Ephra. The two bills were among nineteen anti
LGBTQ plus members proposed in the Montana legislature this year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah, I love Aaron Reid on Blue Sky her wife
hm mmmm, I love that we're able to say on
Blue Sky on Blue Sky said, Zoe is doing work
in Montana and teaching everyone several lessons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
One, you can stand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
On your values as a Democrat and not harm trans people,
Thank you. Two doing so can actually move hearts and
minds in a traditionally conserve servative state.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
And three there is value in having representation in our
halls of power. Absolutely, please, and thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
This one of them is an apologist. Anyway, we ain't
forget Yeah, well sorry, yeah, like, and that's what needs
to happen. Like, Yes, I want to see more of
us in politics for sure, but you know, we need
some common sense Republicans to stand up, and some have

(01:07:30):
very rarely, but some have and said this is ridiculous
and it's too much if they were listening to their constituents,
right people, you know, other than the rabid maga idiots,
rank and file Republicans don't even like or like enough already,
you know, because they they do understand, you know, any

(01:07:53):
you know, issues of transgender folk have nothing to really
to do with them other than you know, we ain't
free till we're all free. But that part, but you know,
what happens between me and my doctor is just as
private and individual as what happens between you and your
doctor and was always going to be, and it belongs

(01:08:15):
nowhere near you know, politicians, nowhere near them, period. They
do not have the expertise, They do not have the wherewithal.
They use lies and misinformation and disinformation and quote it. Yeah,
so that we you know, go look over there while
we rape the treasury and crash the stock market and

(01:08:36):
we all get richer. Yeah mm hmm, yeah, but god
forbid a transgirl plays that part craziness, So yeah, cool.
I love that these things are beginning to happen, you know,
because let's not forget it wasn't so long ago. Then
they locked her out of chamber, remember I do, Yeah,

(01:08:56):
I do. Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
You were talking about trans kids playing sports, and I
was thinking about that meme. There are more children with
measles in Texas than there are trans kids playing sports
in the entire fucking country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But you know, priorities
and shit, didn't you just see something about I don't know,
the Kennedy, the crazy Kennedy who's like got a position
of power and out said like, vaccines are the one
thing that you know, control measles. I think even he's
had it, I believe really, Yeah, because it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Well, even a clock that's been run over by a
SWASTI car is right twice a day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, what else we got? So a trans pilot sued
a right wing influencer who wrongly blamed her for a
lethal DC air collision. Good. Yeah, the collision ended the
lives of sixty seven people. Joe ellis a transgender woman
who was wrongfully identified as the pilot involved in the

(01:10:02):
January twenty ninth GC helicopter collision that ended the lives
of sixty seven people, is suing Matthew Wallace, a social
media user who allegedly blamed her for the crash. Oh
I remember when that all was happening. Ellis blamed it
on DII. They blamed it on her. It was ridiculous.

(01:10:23):
Ellis says Wallace's misinformed posts led to her receiving transphobic
hate messages that made her fear for her and her
family's safety. She has filed her lawsuit in a Colorado
federal court and is represented by the Equality Legal Action Fund,
an advocacy organization that defends wrongly accused or harassed LGBTQ

(01:10:47):
plus people. Get them concocting a destructive and irresponsible campaign
that monetized a false narrative to his over two million
social media followers dangerous shit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Yeah you can't just say whatever the fuck you think
you can say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah. While he later published posts to correct the misinformation,
the lawsuit says these posts were making excuses or creating
viral lies. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I hope she wins and he pays heavily. Yeah, because
you know, I'm sorry. If you are gonna sit and
fucking lie, right, you deserve. Yeah. You should have to
pay for it. You should have to There should be consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You have the right to free speech, but you are
not free from the consequences of the shit you say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Period. First, by the way, a commercial plane incident to
cause loss of lives in the US in sixteen years
and now planes are falling out of the sky. I
wonder why the president plane diversity and you know, saying
that an unqualified female and non white pilots. The helicopters

(01:12:01):
actual operators at the time of the crash were Ryan
o'harah and Andrew Eves, two cis gender white men. So
what else you got? Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with interfering with the
FAA and air traffic controller.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I mean, she is a helicopter pilot with the Virginia
National garbage. She had nothing to do with the incident,
of course not. You know, she won an air medal
for acts of heroism. Of course she did, of course
she did. You know, good god, this is good news because.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Oh, because she's sowing the fuck out of them good oh, yeah,
any any retaliation, that's great news. Okay, they don't get
to get away with that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
She said, you know it is insulting to the families
to try to tie this to some sort of political agenda.
The families tend to serve them. I don't deserve this.
I hope you all know I'm alive and well, and
this should be sufficient for you all to end all
the rumors. But she continued to receive hateful messages. Some

(01:13:19):
said they wish she had died in the crash, Others,
of course, called her mentally ill. Yeah okay, and others
still made crests transfer comments because that's all they got.
What base human beings need it. God. She packed some bags,

(01:13:40):
armed herself, arranged some additional personal security, left her house
for the night, worried someone might try to locate her
through public records and try to harm her or her family.
She said she plans on donating any monetary damages from
her lawsuit to families of those who lost their life
in the collision. Good lovely. I believe in free speech,

(01:14:03):
but I also believe in consequences to free speech, she
told The New York Times. If you can stir up
a mob because you say something that's not true, that
you're right. But once the mob comes after someone, you've
got to have some consequences terrorism. I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more. Stochastic terrorism. Yep, yeah, it's not okay.

(01:14:27):
It's not okay, you know. And they have to lie
about us to stir up all this bullshit. They have
to tell lies because the truth doesn't exist to fit
their narrative, right, so they lie about us. Of course
they do so good I have true wins. Let's see

(01:14:50):
the mayor of Boise, Idaho. This is from the Idaho
Dispetch refused to remove the Pride fla despite a state well.
Poise Mayor Lauren McLean is refusing to take down the
flag from flying on government property despite a new Idaho

(01:15:12):
law prohibiting the flag from flying. Governor signed the stupid
shit into law. It went into effect immediately. Of course,
it only allows certain types of flags to be flown
by government entities. The Pride Flag, of course, is not
on the approval list. I bet you. The Confederate flag is.

(01:15:34):
Let's see the US flag and a state flag, military
branch flags, pow mia flags, tribal flags, and an official
city flag. The bill does not contain any punishment for
violating the law. No enforcement mechanism is available, so McLean

(01:15:55):
is unlikely to take the Pride flag down. Work good, good,
because fuck y'all. That's why apparently other city officials said
they will continue to fly at the flag. Yeah. I
mean that's this is where we are, you know, and
I'm sorry, but fuck your law, right, fuck you're ridiculous,

(01:16:18):
hateful law. Yeah. Period. I guess we'll see how much
more tax payer money they will spend an Idaho to
insist that that's I come down, because I guess it
makes other people. I don't know what the fuck they're like.
You know, it should be obvious what they're doing. It
should be blatantly obvious, and it should not be okay

(01:16:40):
for any American with a mind. None of this should
be okay, one would think. One would think, let's see
the Air Force reverses their ban on sharing pronouns in
workplace messages. Well, good, right, I love that, because how
ridiculous other armed forces follow. I guess we'll see. It's

(01:17:02):
a good question. Yeah, they banned employees from sharing their
pronouns and emails and other professional communications, and the reversal
is based on a twenty twenty three law. It's unclear
if other military branches will also reverse their own similar bands.
On February fourth, Air Force officials told the workforce to

(01:17:24):
remove pronouns in compliance with the President's executive order to
fuck him, ending all federal recognition of gender identity. It,
Oh my god, it's also dystopian. Is really the word?
The order directed all federal government departments and agencies to
remove all statements, policies, regulations, forms, recursions, and that promote

(01:17:47):
or otherwise indicate gender ideology.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Fuck that word, and none of them could define it
if they wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Fuck you. My gender is not an ideology. Ideology would
be all of your bullshit. Thank you. That's ideology, all
of it you. Oh my god. Anyway, after they learned
of a provision in the twenty twenty three National Defense
Authorization Act, a congressional law much different than an executive

(01:18:19):
order dictating the Armed Forces operational budgets, stating that the
US Defense Secretary may not require or prohibit a member
of the Armed Forces or a civilian employee or the
Department of Defense to identify the gender or personal pronouns
of such member or employees in any official correspondence of
the Department. Good that's good policy. Yeah, so in an

(01:18:44):
April second memo, the Air Force reversed its span on
pronouns and professional communications Good. Military members and civilian workers
may now include their personal pronouns and email signature blocks,
memorandum letters, papers, social media, and official whibs. According to
The Hill, good, I'm just going to keep saying good. Yeah, Yeah,

(01:19:06):
here's the thing. Fuck him? Did I say that? Yes?
But you can say it again if you want. Fuck him?
Yeah in the And you know, and I'm in agreement
with a policy that does not require pronouns, but they
shouldn't be banned either, correct, you know, if you want
us kind of I mean, and it's sort of an
issue of solidarity, it really is. Uh. You know, when

(01:19:30):
CIS people put their pronouns in their email signature and
kind of normalize doing so right, right, it does create
you know, a safer world for non binary folks and
trans folks, and you know, to do the same because
unfortunately some of us have to have it right there
for people to get who we are. Anyway, you're saying

(01:19:52):
this isn't good enough, but I you know, in my
own organization, I said this should not be a policy,
and they asked me why, because it was gonna it's
going to be like you have to. And I'm like,
then you're forcing you know, you're forcing people to out
themselves or lie, right, who may not be ready to
do that. It should be a voluntary policy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Right By forcing people, you're doing harm to the very
people you're trying to show solidarity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Now, at least all the women in leadership positions do
have now had their pronouns and their email signature, as
of course I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
It just occurred to me that I do not have
my pronouns in any of my email signatures because well,
for one thing, because I've had those email signatures for
so long that i haven't touched them at all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But which is fine, Yeah, I mean it's not Again,
I think we've made too much of that. I know.
I was just thinking like I would, right, right, I
mean I do. I've run a program specifically for our community, right,
so of course I do. But you know I did
when I wait in, I said, we don't force that,

(01:21:00):
because then you're forcing someone to lie or out themselves unnecessarily, right,
you know, if they're not ready to, you know, leave alone. Period.
Let people decide on their own whether they want to
do that. Or not. And of course, you know, we
have some folks who I think it's some sort of
principal undergold but whatever, whatever, that's Oh, I like the

(01:21:26):
headline of this one. Republicans help defeat a bill that
would have jailed parents of transcitits.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, the bill also would have.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
This was Montana. Yes, this was also Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
The bill also would have jailed medical professionals and website
administrators who help trans kids.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Oh my god, yeah these people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, So, seventeen Republican legislators in the Montana State House
helped defeat a bill that would have charged adults with
endangering child welfare.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Thank Christ, if they obtain this is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
But yeah, sane, yeah, yeah, if they obtained gender affirming
medical care, including puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy for
any child under the age of sixteen. The Republicans joined
with Democrats to defeat the bill in a fifty eight
to forty vote, even though the state's Republican led Senate

(01:22:26):
had already approved its own version. The legislature will send right,
will soon consider other bands on gender affirming care despite
this one's defeat, because of course they will.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Well, they got to keep bringing you know, it's like,
is this all you really have? Is this why you
think you were sent to the you know, represent your state.
This is not governing. It's a distraction. Right the fuck
out of my pants and go do something right. Good,
Good on them, Good on all seventeen of them. Right,

(01:22:57):
this is what we need to see, common fucking sense, right,
because this ship does not belong in politics. It shouldn't be.
But we're not the ones politicizing it, by the way,
we're fighting for our lives out here, right, y'all are
doing this. They're the ones bringing it. They're the one
you're tired of hearing about trans people. Go fight for

(01:23:17):
my fucking rights and I'll shut up, period.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
That's one way to make you, make you quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Give them back and leave me to fuck alone, and
then you know you you're listening.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Or maybe we can all agree with the fact that
rights are no one's to give or take away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
They just are. How about that? How about that Colorado
Colorado Democrat advance to trans rights bills in the face
of federal rollbacks the bill sponsors, so they're working to
protect trans Colorado's However, you say that right as the

(01:23:54):
federal government attacks their rights. Colorado House representatives gave preliminary
approval in a party line vote to two bills to
protect transwrits this past Friday. And what one of the
bill sponsors says is a direct rebuke of the president's
attacks on transmit gooreats. Good yeah. What happens at the

(01:24:17):
federal level is casting along shadow, and we don't know
what the future holds, set out trans State Rep. Brionna Tetone,
a Democrat and the sponsor of HbA twenty four DASH
thirteen O nine. Passing this bill is about taking control
of what we can do to ensure that our friends

(01:24:37):
and neighbors and family members continue to get the care
they need, regardless of what might happen in the future.
Good Yeah. It would make it illegal for health insurance
providers to deny or limit gender farming care provided by
a doctor and codify public health rules that protect gender
refarming care in the state. Would also exempt testosterone descriptions

(01:25:00):
from a state monitoring program intended to limit the abuse
of controlled substances. BAM codifies existing standards into statute to
provide long term stability and clarity for patients, said State Rep.
Kyle Brown State Republicans, of course, tried to amend the

(01:25:20):
bill to exclude gender affirming care for transminers. Fuck you,
but that measure was rejected by the chamber, where Democrats
do hold the majority. Good good. The other bill, HB
twenty five thirteen twelve, would allow courts to consider dead
naming and other forms of misgendering in child custody disputes. Wow, okay,

(01:25:45):
let's see what that means. It would also protect parents
from other states who come to Colorado for gender affirming
care if such care is illegal in their home state.
It also says that dead naming and misgendering are discriminatory
acts under the state's discrimination law, and require schools to
accept trans students chosen name. Thank you. Good yeah. It

(01:26:07):
would also ban schools from having a gendered dress codes.
Also good. Yeah. New Jersey is, you know, one of
the best states truly to live in. We still got
a couple of things that do need to be codified
into law, right, because while they are executive orders, that's
not good enough. Right, They need to be codified into law. Yeah. So,

(01:26:28):
the bill sponsor, Rebecca Stewart, said, supporting a child's gender
identity is indeed in the best interest of the child, yes, period,
and that support cannot be used against a loving and
supportive parent in a dispute. Good right Republicans said that
this is in a chuck on parental rights, specifically to

(01:26:50):
write a parent to refuse to accept their children for
who they are exactly, that's exactly the idea that misgendering
your own child is consider coercive control, which is another
word for child abuse, because you want to get your
child help instead of affirming their delusions, said State Rep.
Jarvis Caldwell. This is the most disgusting bill I've seen

(01:27:13):
so far. Fuck you, dude, you are so backward and
off the mark and don't even know it. Yeah. I
want to be able to I want to be able
to fuck with my own child onto death, and that's
where you're taking. Then they still need to get through
another vote in the state House and then pass the
state Senate, which is also controlled by Democrats. Out Colorado

(01:27:37):
Governor Deret Poulis is a Democrat as well, so I'm guessing, yeah,
it gets to his desk, he's got sign it, so
there we go. Hah. Yeah, this is not a disgusting bill.
It's good policy. It's good policy that actually takes science
into consideration. Remember science. Yeah, all the experts, yep, remember

(01:27:58):
them experts, remember this what they have to say. And
you know, none of this is new or controversial. You're
manufacturing a controversy that doesn't make this exactly. So talk
to me about Wilson Cruz. Why did he Lesha and
Terrence Howard? Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
You've been a fan of Terrence Howard's lately because he's
been saying good shit on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Well he done fucked up. He says some smart shit
on Facebook. But you know, I'm willing to get the
whole picture for what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
So Wilson Cruz, who I always thought was going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
My first husband, right, well too late. I mean he
could still be your first husband.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
No, I'm good I chose well. But anyway, so Terrence
Howard went on the PbD podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
It's always a podcast where they say dumb shit, comfy
like nobody listens to this, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
And basically he was talking about you know, Diddy came
up and he was saying, how you know he's been
to Basically he was saying, like he doesn't do that
gay shit because he didn't want to give up his
man card.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Uh huh did somebody ask you you that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
So he was saying that men who attended Diddy's parties
gave up their manhood, and when you give up your manhood,
I've never seen somebody recover from it. That was all
the people that went to the puffy parties. That was
all the people that did all those things thinking that
there was never going to be a consequence for what
they were doing, get punked out and pimped out by

(01:29:39):
some over greater desire.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
What. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is saying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Basically, he's saying that, you know, gay men aren't men
or some shit. Huh wow, Yeah, he totally like sounds
like thirty five years ago. But my boy, Wilson Cruz

(01:30:08):
took to social media and said he sure did talk
a different talk and act in a different way when
it came to working with me in the nineties. Love
my work, love my choices, etc. This fool is out
here performing to the white man, doing and saying what
he needs to do to get over. He is quite
literally bending over and doing what pleases the man, and

(01:30:30):
he seems to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
The truth is no.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
One wants to work with his tired ass anyway due
to his ego and lack of work ethic. So quite literally,
go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
You are the sellout here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Get him. And you know that is evidenced with the
simple fact that he was supposed to be an iron
man too, but he showed his ass and was like, oh, well,
Robert Downey Jr. Is making this much money for the
second one and I should make the same amount. And
they were like, yeah, but you ain't him, and he

(01:31:04):
was like, well I should, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Were like or no. Cruise also tagged Howard in his
Instagram stories when he shared a post by the Feminist
Vibe that reads, maybe you wouldn't feel so emasculated by
feminism if your manhood was rooted in something other than
oppressing women. Ooh signing it sincerely real men, Get him?

(01:31:28):
Get him?

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
And this is why I love Wilson Cruz.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Good for him. Yeah, I mean that makes me sound,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
And I put this here because I know you've been
vibing with Terrence Howard lately.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
But he has said some brilliant things in posts. Yeah,
but if you don't think those things apply universally, then.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Fuck you all together. Yeah, he probably copied him from someone.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Else, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
So should we take another break before we talk about
our favorite segment? I think we should.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Okay, we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Well it's time for sad eploy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
People taking pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Raal Maine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yay, I missed it, so I know, right, mentil, So
what's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
What I miss?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
So? What did I miss? Nancy Mace South Duco.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
From South Carolina. The headline reads, Nancy Mace rages at
evil constituents who flooded her office with calls.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
About her town hall. But you know what, plays stupid games,
win stupid prizes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
So in a video, the article says, bursting with hypocrisy, and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
I love that in a video, bursting with hypocrisy, that
is the opening line.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Anti trans representative Nancy Mayce berated quote evil Americans for
calling her office to express anger over her refusal to
face constituents at a town hall.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
And she's got no spine mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
She said her office has been returning calls from people
contacting her about the town hall. She claimed that of
the five hundred people they have reached out to so far,
only one person's had a legitimate concern.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Oh yeah, she's the one I want to deciding what
is and is not legitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Mm hmm. She says, your BS calls are taking away
from people who have real needs in our community.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
What the fuck would these people know about real needs
from housing to the VA to job uh huh. But
that you don't spend your time worrying about those things, sweetie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Right, not one person has any issue with the federal
agency that we can assist them with.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
No, but shut your fucking mouth. How about that that
takes no effort. Clearly she does not consider frustration over
her refusal to face her own constituents a legitimate grievance. Yeah,
despite the fact that town halls are a cornerstone of democracy.
She told those calling that what they are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Is evil, evil, evil.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
It's completely evil, She said, help those in our community,
help those in need. Stop making up BS excuses that
you're trying to put people in harms way over. Excuse me,
you don't have any issues that need to be resolved,
Big Dansty, You're big, ugly mean your evils.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Dub it bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Gee. Mace has made a national name for herself for
bullying trans people. By bullying trans people, including targeting private citizens,
shouting anti transflors during house proceedings, hurling countless insults at
Sarah told people to go find a fellow neighbor and

(01:35:29):
say something nice and stop being violent with your words.
You first, thank you. I love that they're not letting up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
And you know, I just thought that, you know it,
if anyone else wanted to, you know, drop a line
to the offices of Nancy Mace.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I may or may.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Not have put the contact page in the notes to
this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Yeah, these aren't real people. That is big driven by
Lewigg streams it paid paid agitators. Oh honey, we don't
have to pay agitators. We hate you for free word up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Some people would actually pay to tell you to go
fund You.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Will not be attending because it's not safe. Maybe that's
because your policies are so hideous and backwards, right, whose
fault is that? Maybe that's why it doesn't feel safe
for you, because if you were actually worried about your constituents,
they'd know that she was perpetuating the GOP's new favorite
lie that the hordes of angry constituents flooding Republican town

(01:36:41):
halls are actually paid actors. No, honey, they're American citizens.
They're actual patriots, something you wouldn't know the first thing about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
It never occurs to them that people just don't fucking
like them or what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
You know what. Good? Good. I hope they force her.
I hope they shame her into attending a town hall,
and then I hope she appears face to face what
people really think of her. Yeah. Yeah, again, check the
notes to this episode and you can reach the contact

(01:37:21):
page for her offices. Yeah, exactly. Mm hmm. If you
should feel so inclined, then where are your convictions and
why aren't you standing behind them? So a woman calls
her gay neighbors disgusting fagots in a viral video. It
quickly backfired. She allegedly made threats, called the men disgusting,

(01:37:44):
and said that they probably have eights. M Alison Murphy,
of course, yeah, she's got on tape. A homophobic woman
has been fired from her job. Yeah, after viral video
capture her yelling homophobic slurs at her gay neighbors in

(01:38:06):
the predominantly gay male Wilton Manors neighborhood of Fort Lauderdale Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Right she moved into the area, the queer folks didn't
move next.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
To her exactly. A man named Tyson Baker claimed that
a woman named Alison Murphy and her husband had spent
months parking their white Mercedes in the men's yard and
allowing their dog to use the restroom on their lawn.
Baker said that he tried to leave Murphy and her

(01:38:39):
family written notes asking them to stop, saying, We've tried
to avoid drama, but they just keep on keeping on
flipping us off and calling us names every day. But
Murphy's father allegedly ripped up the note, shouting homophobic slurs
and flipped off Baker once again, so he finally called
the police. In the video, Murphy calls Baker and his

(01:39:02):
husband disgusting fucking faggots and says that they probably have
aids bigger than response that she probably has syphilis, which
can cause mental illness if left untreated. Uh huh, there
is no clear evidence that the person, as I know,
I love that part put me online, You fucking fagot,

(01:39:23):
she continued, And guess what I know where your car is?
M Baker asked, Is that a threat? She continued to
swear and walked away with the police behind her, like
directly behind her mm hmmm yeah. Online Sluice quickly identified

(01:39:43):
Murphy just from a video of her own reaction and
contacted her employer, bally Forge Fabrics with the video. Soon after,
the company announced that it had fired Murphy, adding the
views expressed by this individual do not really the values
of our company, our culture, or the principles we uphold.

(01:40:04):
We are a company that stands for diversity, inclusion, and respect.
We are committed to creating a safe, supportive environment for
all here here, they added, hate has no place here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Bam.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Yeah, that's that's some fuck around and find out right
there there you go, good good, and now everybody knows you.
So good luck finding another job. Maybe you could work
for a church. That was fun, That was fun. Yeah,
we can. We can breeze through this other one in

(01:40:40):
the University of Cincinnati, you know, preemptively started you know,
licking Trump's ass, putting up biological bathroom signs. Those were
quickly removed. Yep, to the tune of sixteen thousand dollars.
Is that what it costs? Uh huh oh good, Okay,
therein lies the that would be the shouting part of
it all. Okay, well that was ridiculous. It was a

(01:41:02):
ridiculous thing to do, and you thought it was just
gonna happen and everybody'd be okay with it, right exactly? Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
The response was swift and loud.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Good, this has been your moment of sad.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Employ people taking pleasure real name yay?

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Okay, well husband, yes, my wife, what is your fifteen
minute fame? So I was driving.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
I was driving to get the car inspected, and I
was listening to I as I frequently do. I asked
Siri to play some music that I would like, and
sirih brought this song to my attention and it was
very rebellious and and fuck you if you don't like me,

(01:42:02):
and I enjoyed it. It is a song called Cheerleader
by Ashniko. Okay, and it just made me happy basically
like you're just mad that you're not me and if
I wasn't me, i'd hate me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Too, and fuck you all together. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
So it's children's music.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
One of the lyrics is tell me how my ass
tastes so no.

Speaker 6 (01:42:29):
Wow, okay, So, uh, let's go out to the break
with Cheerleader by Ashniko, We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Game face on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
It's a post like perfect small my face on the pavement.
Nursey stitched me. Oh, send me back out to dance,
pick my shorts on my ass and my bloodstain. Hans
came to puss a little sunny heart for the spiders.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Next made it gummy?

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
Do I have to kill to make everybody love me?

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
I want it, I'll win it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Call it ambitions.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
He's to face some broken janessom Feams.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Trombon, Cream Maine, merv scenes, cut throats, and I feel
better because I'm beautiful, but shadow like you either tell
me how fast some little bottom feet And because I'm
beautiful shadow like you either, I'm on my bat You're like.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
The future.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
Sexy cute popular to boot cup of Dreamer lips from
Blue Filler is snip and glue.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
I'm unsuckable andenough for you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I'm letting go.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
The sre them things, Reckona Skins, Supervictions, got many pretty
goo main name man. I'd brought a blade to the
deuce routine to face some broken jansso Fias, Tramo, creol Ma, Mercs,
cut through sil.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
And we're back. We're back, Yeah, alrighty, it is time
for our brief cavalcade of nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
And I was very judicious with our selections. They really
just here because they are nonsensical and we.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Can make fun of them. The Trump administration, yeah, is
refusing to talk to journalists with pronouns in their emails. Oh,
they're saying that they can't write an honest story. What
would the Trump administration know about honesty? Thank you? That's

(01:45:01):
all I have to say. Yeah, it's just insane, that's all.
It is. Insane. There's some more insanity out of this administration.
Mm hm. A Christian podcaster, this one wants now to
be frisked. I'll bet he does by male TSA agents.

(01:45:25):
I could leave it there, right because I bet he does.
Because body scanners turn you gay. I'm not going through
the gay beam machine. Oh so, rather than right wing
Christian nationalists, podcaster Andrew Esker, I just wanted to say

(01:45:48):
his name revealed. He's so afraid that body scanners at
airports will turn him gay that he regularly requests full
body patdowns by male TSAs.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
He must do yoga because the stretch and the reach,
oh my god, and the mental gymnastics.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah, just say you want to be touched by by
by men, sir, just just say that, you know, right,
if that can turn you gay, my friend, you're you're gay.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
I want to be touched by men's I mean, I
want to be frisked by t s h.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
I mean, oh girl.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
It appears having a guy touch you all over the
place on its days seems worse, he admitted. But you
don't really know what those things are doing to you.
They can just take a picture of me naked like no,
of course, he is mistaken about how airport security scanners work.
Of course, while they do use millimeter wave technology that

(01:47:18):
can see through clothing, the images generated by the airport
machines do not generate photorealistic images of naked travelers. Instead,
they use an automatic threat recognition and detection functionality to
digitally look for abnormal shapes on a person's body. Yes.
Upon detecting any possible threats, the scanners display the suspected

(01:47:41):
body areas on a gingerbread man image for a TSA
offer officer to review.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
I mean, that's creepy enough, I know, I mean, I
admittedly I am not a fan of that myself.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
But you know, I am, Oh god, I he wants
a boyfriend. I know, baby, just say you need a
hug and a blow job and move you need to
give one right like that. But you just said that,

(01:48:16):
shut out loud. Now you're dumb. You're dumb not to
mention like the body scanner thing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
It's literally like maybe two seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Maybe a pat down is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
I mean, I realized I'm making his.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Point for you could feel up. I'll just I'll be
waiting over there so I don't turn into one of them,
you know what I mean. Here I am. So you
don't need to have your You can wear pants for this.
We don't require a cavity search. Sir, Please stand up properly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
You can't get on the plane with those poppers are
in fact, how did you even get them past the gate?

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Oh my, So this is just hard to fathom. Why
did the Supreme Court take this case in the first place? Oh,
I wasn't sure. Well, I'm just taking a look at it.

(01:49:26):
Mahmood v. Taylor is about a small number of LGBTQ
plus inclusive children's books included in the classrooms of Montgomery County,
Maryland public schools. The books were chosen and evaluated by
education professionals. Six parents this is three couples sued the

(01:49:47):
school district Board of Education, claiming their religious freedom was
violated by not having an option to opt out their
children from classrooms where the books might be part of curriculum,
including when offered as non mandatory supplemental learning materials. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
So really just having them in the library for kids
to pick out or not.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Yeah, The school board stated in legal filings the books
are made available for individual reading, classroom read alouds, and
other educational activities designed to foster and enhance literacy skills.
The books were to be integrated into the curriculum in
the same way that other books are used, namely to
put them on a shelp for students to find on

(01:50:41):
their own, yeah, to recommend a book to a student
who would enjoy it, To offer the books as an
option for literature circles, book clubs, or paired reading groups,
or to use them as a read aloud. The districts
communication director, who has probably exhausted Justic and Jessica Baxter

(01:51:03):
said the books tell joyful stories of folks who happened
to be part of the LGBTQ plus community, and that
they celebrate and positively portray LGBTQ plus identities. Three couples
who are clearly not fucking filed a lawsuit against the

(01:51:31):
school district in twenty twenty three, objecting to the books
and claiming the district infringed on their religious rights. It's
a public school, you jackasses by not allowing them to
opt out their children for potential exposure to the book.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Potential homeschool, your little basket exposure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Do that, God damn Yeah. The Planets are represented by Beckett,
formerly known as the Beckett for Religious Liberty legal group
with the antiquar history that includes representing a school that
fired a fifteen year veteran teacher for being gay and
marrying her partner of twenty five years. Southern pop Party

(01:52:13):
Law Center describes Beckett as a hardline group that promotes
legislation and lawsuits to justify anti gay discrimination. They have
also vigorously pursued banning access to abortion and access to
contraception because if they managed to rape, because I doubt

(01:52:37):
there's anyone consenting, they want that a stick. Yeah. Two
thirds of US Catholics, Protestants, and other Christians oppose using
religious beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against queer people.
What do you know about that? Of course, UCLA's williams

(01:52:59):
in Too said that two point six million queer adults
are raising children under the edge of eighteen, and those
children are most likely much happier than the twenty four counterparts.
Twenty four four percent of those queer parents live in
the Northeast, which encompasses Maryland. Thirty one percent live in

(01:53:21):
the South. Apparently five million children in the US are
being raised by an LGBTQ parent. Twenty percent of LGBTQ
people in Maryland are raising children. So a couple of
books not unreasonable, not unreasonable. So this is utter fucking nonsense. Yeah,

(01:53:48):
of course I can't believe that they agreed to hear this.
I guess they want to. It's an appeal because they
lost obviously, after the request to force the school strict
to provide opt outs while the case was being litigated
lost in both the lower federal trial and appellate court.

(01:54:09):
A Federal Court of Appeals judged Stephen Aghee Agee noted
there was no evidentiary link showing that the story books
are being implemented in a way that directly or indirectly
cooruses the parents or their children to believe or act
contrary to their religious fate. How fragile are these Christians

(01:54:32):
Jesus terrifyingly so. Christ They reached out to take this
case at a very early stage and potentially decide it
on a group of parents' claims, despite the fact that
the case had not yet proceeded to the point where
there was a record of how the books were actually
being used in the classroom. The author's and illustrators issued

(01:54:57):
a statement in support of inclusive books. We have post
censoring or segregating books like ours. All families deserve to
be seen and heard. Common sense. Yeah, so the books
include a picture book called Uncle Bobby's Wedding. M h

(01:55:19):
m hmm. Her favorite uncle's marriage means she's getting another uncle,
not losing one. Bacob's room to choose about making schools
and restrooms safe for all children. I know, no pride puppy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
How can you hate anything with the word puppy?

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
An it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I know, Well, they really can, they really can't. Anyway,
this is the kind of crazy worship that continues to
go on. Thanks for only selecting three and they are
indeed all nonsense. You're welcome. Yeah, we just sift through it.
So mid century modern. We started watching that one, who

(01:56:06):
we did, and it's funny. It is funny. We still
have to finish it. We got distracted by something else,
something shiny, yeah life, Yeah, that art. But yeah, we
started watching it. It is funny. You had your conference.
That's why we stop watching.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Ah, Matt Homer, Nathan Lane and Nathan Lee Graham, right,
and the Lake Greatland eleven and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
The Lake great Linda Laven.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Who unfortunately passed away in the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Right, So we didn't get to that yet, so now
we did. Going to see how that. But it is funny.
It's very funny. Three gay men of a certain age
living together. It's kind of like Golden Girls. Golden Girls. Yeah, yeah,
it kind of is. I think it's loosely.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Based, right, So, like Nathan Lane would be the Dorothy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Character, I guess, because Linda Laban is the Sophia character, right,
Matt is.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Definitely Rose, definitely Rose, and Nathan Lee Graham would be the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Blanche I guess. Yeah, that makes sense kind.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Of even though the Rose character the one is having
all the sacks It's like it's not a one to
one apples to apples comparison, but still.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
A dumb one is also a whore, Yeah, which is
normally well anyway, anyway, it's funny Hack season four is
that we haven't started to watch it yet, but I
really would too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Then they they're apparently continuing with what they've been doing,
which is releasing two episodes at a time, So there
are two episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
To watch at present. I want to say it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
Yeah, we're still behind. We haven't seen the Righteous Gemstone yet.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Oh is that is that a thing? Yeah? That's been out. Well, Damn,
you've been all up in your law and orders. You
ain't wanted to watch it now? Probably I haven't seen
I mean I haven't watched a lot of television period.
Fair What the hell's Opus? And why was it towarded?

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
So while you've been in class on Saturdays, I've been
entertaining myself with going to the movies again. And I
went to go see, uh one what I thought was
going to be a wonderful little horror film called Opus,
which was about the music industry and what is a
cult and blah blah blah blah blah and so I'm

(01:58:30):
sitting there, the music is the movie is starting, and
there's this like crunchy, scratchy sound that's going above the
music and the opening credits, and I'm thinking, okay, well,
maybe that's an artistic choice, and you know, it's like
a dichotomy or something. But then the movie started and
they're like having this quiet conversation and the crackling is

(01:58:50):
still there, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna give
you a few minutes to get your shit together, thinking
maybe they'll like slap the projector or something, and the
sounds of something. About ten minutes in they stopped it,
and we're like, okay, something's wrong. Obviously we're going to
reset the projector, which is going to be an automatic
fifteen to twenty minutes. I timed the start time of

(01:59:13):
this film so we get back in plenty of time
for you to be done. This would have fucked that
all up, and so they were like, we'll give you
free passes if you don't want to stay, so I
did that. I also feel bad for the theater because
like they have to make sure that it wasn't like
that print, or if it was the print that everybody got,
so they had to like do some research, so I

(01:59:34):
didn't get to see opus.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
I was thwarted got it, But I did get to
see the woman in the yard. And what about a
woman in the yard. There is a woman and she
is in the yard. The whole thing is advertising supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
To be like a metaphor about grieving and trauma. And
the first thing I did was call Lisa. I'm like
and ask, why is it when black folks do horror movies,
we got to be all metaphorical and shit, why can't
we just be scary for the sake of being scary?
It felt like beloved, like everything was a metaphor for
something else.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
That Yeah, I'm just like, but it was. It was
a beautiful movie. But I don't know if I liked it.
I hate it when that happened.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Yeah, Like, I don't want to say it was bad,
and I don't want to say I don't want to
recommend it to people, but I actually want to recommend
it to people because I want.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Y'all to let me know y'all got anything more out
of it than I did. Child m But yeah, hmm, yeah,
it's a horror film, so I don't care.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Yeah, yeah, going on the theme of things you don't
care about. So when I'm at work, after all my
work is done, I have downtime and if I'm not
like reading a book for the podcast or editing the
audio for the podcast, I'm watching horror movies because you're

(02:00:59):
not there, right, And so I did a binge of
the Paranormal Activity series, which I had already seen, but
this time I was watching it with the intent of
seeing it all as one story. And it's interesting, but
it all comes down to if white people would.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Just listen, doesn't everything come down to them? Kind of Yeah,
that's really it, if white people would listen.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
And also, like the one character, Christie, I think the
child's name is like they did her dirty and that's
a shame. So yeah, that's what that whole series can
be summed up with. And now I am approaching the
Conjuring series, which I avoided because I was afraid it
would be too scary, and it's scary. It's good, but

(02:01:48):
it's scary, okay, Yeah, But like now I'm in it
because it's good and it's like all spot to be
based on true stories that happened, like the people that
investigated the Amityville horror, right situation, like they go to
all these different places and help people that are experiencing

(02:02:09):
paranormal uh behavior and activities and and and it's scary
or you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Just a show on purpose. So I have no sympathy,
I know, or empathy or any of it, anypathies, any
of the thieves. None, that's I don't watch that ship.
And that's where I am. So I made your chili
for dinner? You did? And uh yeah there's corn muffins.
I'm excited. Yeah, I want to eat something that I

(02:02:36):
can go to bed and go to work because I'm
starving and.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
Scare myself with some more conjuring.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Well, this was fun. We're back up the mic. I
missed you, I missed being here.

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
Yeah, but my wife, I'm back, I know, and you're
my husband. I love it awesome because not I'm doing
that ship, I know, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
No, So you know what we haven't done in a
very long time that we need to do right now?

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
Podcast business. Yes, let's do that all right.

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