Tighten Up That Wrist, Sir!

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle,
the podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
what happens. This episode is brought to you by decanted
jug wine and a desperate need to go grocery shopping.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am your host, Charles Tyson Jr.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Circle Table.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hi baby, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm fine. There's no food in this house, which is
very little. I've been like scraping the pantry to cook
to not go out, but it's getting stupid. I mean
you've been working your magic. Still I understand. Yeah, we're
freequently need to go to the grocery store like soon, spad.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean, that's the upside to having once been poor.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
You know how to do a lot with a little.
I do. But still, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I didn't say I didn't get old. I just said
you know how to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I'm like staring at the ramen noodles, going.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
How can I turn this into cake?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
What can I make it? I even baked a depression
cake the other night.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And it was good. It's still good as hell. It's
moist and yummy.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It is it is. And a depression cake is a
chocolate cake with chocolate icing that has no eggs, no dairy,
no butter.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, and it's delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's it's good. It's like oil, flour, sugar, and cocoa potter. Basically,
thank you with it.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Both comes from the time period of the depression. And
you can eat it when you are going through depression.
You will feel a little better.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, I want to dessert. We had nothing that looked
like dessert, granola bars. But I can't fool me. That
shit is not deserved. Snack is not dessert.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's why they call it two different things.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I wanted the cake, but I didn't want us Touff
to leave.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I get it because it was raining, like it was
raining sideway.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I know. The rain has been incredible. We looked out
that one day was that Friday, and the half the
yard was underwater.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, for a bit there, I was waiting for Noah
and the gang to go.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
It was a deluge.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, that is the definition of deluge.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was insane. But today's pretty yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
The birds are singing their little hearts out, which you'll
probably hear dear listeners in the background, and you know
you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Slash. I'm sorry, well, because the windows are open, exactly,
it's that kind of day. It is Sunday, the eighteenth
of May, which.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Is exactly a week after the last episode we put out.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Ha ha, I know it's maybe an actual schedule will
happen again, who knows. Decent morning, I mean, I spent
a couple hours on the phone with my good friend Kelly,
who is in Ireland at the moment, right, and we
found out we might be cuns. Yes, yes, you share

(03:35):
a familial last name in the lineage. Yes, and assuming
they're all related there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right and chances are high.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Sure, but yeah no, So we were chatting and then
I finished an article for Jersey Gays gaz Yes, which
is a magazine apparently published by Asbury Park Pride and
printed out I guess distributed. It is a pun okay, yeah,

(04:04):
gaze you know grays. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, because I didn't words, if you will, right, I
didn't assume that it was a queer magazine, it is, right,
so okay, it's they're being clever.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
They're being clever.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes, gaze is in looking out on on New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, gays is in Hay right. All that got it? Yeah,
because we were I had reached out to try to table,
you know where where my organization is advertising further and
further away because we can do telehealth and you know,
some programs have been cut because of the ridiculous funding

(04:49):
cuts that you know, this current administration is doing to
line the pockets of billionaires while we uh, you know,
pretend there is no opioid crisis and and a mental
health treatment is not important anyway. So they have like
a waiting list of like one hundred vendors, so that

(05:11):
wasn't going to be possible. But they invited me to
write an article, which I submitted today. So that was
you know, we'll say, but seemed good, seemed to come
to a point. And yeah, you kept not liking the
voice of it.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Was your Ja Jonah Jamison.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You Robbie Robertson, you were goldilocks. That's that's what you were. No,
this one's too hard. Nope, this one's too soft. And
it was literally the third after all you finally said,
this one's just right.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
What Jesus. Anyway, you gotta have that person in your
corner that's not just gonna say yes just because it's you.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I know, I've got. That's everyone standing in my corner,
though nobody is yes as me for no reason. It's
I want one. I want one. Yes, yes, man, yes woman, Yes,
but you know whatever, don't have one by choice. I
am more than I'm not. Well, actually that's not true.

(06:11):
Never mind forget. Yeah, I'm a lot I know, and
uh so are the people around me who point that out.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I would be doing you a disservice if I
would have just said, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Good, send it in, go ahead. No, it's fair. I was.
I'm not so much complaining.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm just saying, well, you complain a little bit, like fine,
I'll do it again.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah. I wasn't counting on three drafts. But I think it.
I think it. I think it went where I wanted
it to go. Hit meandered a bit to get there.
But anyway, that's done.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, you're a stellar writer, and you haven't been challenged
in a while.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
You mean by a deadline, because that's fair. Yeah, that
was the thing. I had to get it out. It's
do tomorrow. But tomorrow I'm you know, they own me
tomorrow at work for twelve hours, so there was not
going to be any writing. I mean I might be
able to slide in a quick at it as should
that be needed. But yeah, the week is busy. But

(07:10):
this is the third day of my three day weekend,
thank god. And next weekend's a long one because the
Memorial Day for me. Anyway, I'll miss you. I'm getting
none of that, I know, but I do. Thank god.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I am considered an essential person.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Else well, we are too, except we do close the
center for certain holidays. Outpatient obviously not inpatient and patient
we're always open. Yeah, we don't close.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
We don't close for shit.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well they don't close, but we do right outpatient. Our
outpatient facility does close on certain holidays, Memorial Day being
one of them, thank god. I mean, I'll have to
work Tuesday night late, because I always do that. I
was off a replacement group when we have on Monday
holidays because I have a Monday night group. So I

(08:06):
will offer that I.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Have gone in and wind and rain and snow.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
You have a fog, not sleep, not hail. Well, you
work the equivalent of impatient I mean right in a
fancy way, but still, you know, there's people who live
there where you work, and so there are no holidays exactly,
and you know, but I can use the time. No,

(08:35):
I will find a use. I'm sure you off. You're good.
I'm tired, and I realized I haven't taken taken time
in a while, and I'm way over forty hours now.
I love looking at my PTO, going, huh, being more productive.

(08:56):
You had a yard work Saturday while I was in class.
Oh that's the other thing next week, and I don't
have class on Saturday. Ha ha oh. And I was
getting ready to say I was. I thought I was
going to have to miss a class on the fourteenth,
which is June fourteenth is what veterans do, and or
Father's Day weekend. I don't know. But it's Pride and Pittman,

(09:19):
which is the closest Pride celebration to us, and I
will be speaking, so I don't have to take off
from class. I'm already off exactly, and you're not just speaking,
So yeah, I guess you could say I'm keynoting I
speak last and longest, So yeah, I guess that's it.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That is that's literally the definition of.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I'll take it, I'll take I'm not sure we use
that term, but yeah, basically, I am take your damn flower.
I should probably write that soon. Yeah, I have a draft.
I started it. Yeah, I have some things to bitch about,
little local things that they're giving me a mic hey,

(10:04):
just around Pride. You know, some stuff they've done with
flags that I'm not happy with, but I'll save it
for the speech and anyway. Anyway, anyway, Yeah, that's the
June is gonna be festive, a lot of Pride celebrations
and I'm going further than we ever have. So we'll

(10:26):
be in like Maplewood, North Jersey. We're gonna be in
Atlanta County or they are on one of the Saturdays.
So there's a broad range. I've heard of maple Wood.
I know we have listeners in Maplewood. It's yeah, it's
way up there. I don't even know what county that is,
but but it's a very large Pride celebration. It's like

(10:51):
the North Jersey you know one, and I guess Asbury
Park would be the central.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I am least familiar.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
You're with North Jersey, right, So anyway, it's going to
be crazy trying to navigate June around all the pride stuff,
and and we still have a job to do, you
know what I mean. It makes it that much harder
when my week is generally full and we're going to
take I don't know, sixteen twenty twenty five hours a

(11:22):
week and do pride celebrations. It makes it really difficult.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
By the time July rolls around, You're like, I don't
want to see or hear anything queer.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Not one more fucking rainbow for at least three weeks,
yep or months.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Tighten up that wrist, sir, not in front of.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Me, Tighten up that risk, sir. Yeah, yeah, because it
just it's it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. Once
you've done you know, so many of them, it's kind
of like, okay, here we are again.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I can only but so proud. Goddamn it, right.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I'm proud all the time. It's yeah, it just it's
you know, it is a lot. But you know, this year,
more than ever, we need to be out there with them.
Some of the nonsense that continues to happen. You know,
it's it's couldn't be more important to get out there
and be seen and see and and and let folks

(12:24):
know we exist.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And you know, I've said this about myself, particularly right
after the election, but it's true for all of us
under the Rainbow collective. You know, our very existence is
an act of resistance. And we're doing this ship on
purpose in June.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Baby, right right, Yeah, we're here. Get used to it.
I am used to it. But or they can't get
used to it obviously, well they're going to deal with
they can't get used to black people. I mean, so
black people is just yeah, completely fucked. Yeah, they'd lose

(13:05):
their mind. Yeah, so onward. Yeah, right, exact word. I
saw a big fretist partner died young thirty eight. Yeah,
Den Devon. They were together for two decades.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And he was the one that was always given her fever. Yeah,
cheating on her and distracting her.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
This was complications of diabetes, it says.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, I mean you know she posted on Instagram, damn
she loved him. Yeah yeah, And you know, when we
were watching the show, was sometimes hard ton't figure out why. Yeah, exactly,
they were. They stayed together because like Dick, don't get

(13:59):
but so good, thank you. I've said this in so
many ways, but it's the things we don't see. It's
you know, I guess, I mean, I you know what,
there was a lot of grief there too. There was
a lot of really why you got to be this way? Right?
But yeah, this is it's sad because he was only

(14:21):
thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, and our hearts go out to Big Freda and
her family and yeah, you know, regardless of our personal
feelings about this person who we actually.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Don't know right exactly exactly. I mean, you know, she
obviously loved him right and they stayed together, and you
know she, uh, she's devastated about it.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
So yeah, I think part of that might have been,
like he was there before she got famous. He was,
so that means a lot when you're a celebrity, like, yeah,
your ties to like your.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Old life, the people that like knew you for real,
for real.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yes, I'm just saying that might have, yes, been a
big factor, which I get, I totally get.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And you know, and some of us who pushed that
gender envelope, you know, do wonder just how many people
were going to find in life to spend time with right,
And he knew her and loved her right, and you know,

(15:31):
so yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I get it, just because I wouldn't have chose it, don't.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Mean I don't understand it well, right, right, And you
know you're only seeing what the camera is, you know
what the editor is showings. So you know, I'm sure
there was a particular narrative that didn't necessarily catch the
good times right as much as you know those other times. Yeah,

(16:00):
and he's go out to Big free to absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Condolences and rest in peace to Devin.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's a shame. Maybe next time she's up here, you'll
get to go. I would love to see Big. This
time it was jarn and I and we had a
good time.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
And she's like eighty three sixty eleven more famous than
she was there, I guess, so, huh, because like she's.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, she didn't even have the show at that point, right,
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I don't think, no, she did because the reality show
you were on it, we they were taping for it, right,
but it didn't exist yet. Oh wow, okay, fine, Yeah,
like the back of my head was you know that
was was in yes, but that I don't think it
had launched at that point. You know, it was footage

(16:51):
that they incorporated into the show, right, I mean, she's
going on to be featured with Paul and Beyonce. Beyonce
multiple times, yeah, not to mention, you know, her own
star power, so you know, and I love it. I
love that for her absolutely, and she just gets more

(17:12):
and more beautiful. Yeah. Good, her wig game has come up,
and it was it was good.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Then, as does happen, it was always good, but that
was real good. She got the good hair money exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, she got that Yon't say money, yep.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
And that is one thing we know about Beyonce that
you know, everyone who does anything with her gets paid.
So there was a it was a video on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
It was like a parody video and someone was pretending
they were Beyonce and and she was like, now, at
two minutes and thirty two seconds of track number three,
I heard a train whistle.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
In the background.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Can you go and find who was driving that train
and blowing that whistle because they need to be in
the in the writer's list, because you know, we have
to get all of.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Them, right. I mean, it's damn near that. I heard
a dog barking up the street.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
We have to find the dog and get the dog's
name so we know who to send the check chick.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
There you go, which is refreshing considering, right, the history
of that business.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
That's why I will always key key to myself about
Kalisekalise went and put an ass in the air when
Beyonce sampled her voice in one of her songs, Like
she sampled a song that Caalise was on, and before

(18:50):
she could contact Caalise and be like, so I'm putting
you on the list of writers for this so that
you can get paid, she raised a big ass sting.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
And the thing is, did they cut the sample? M m?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
She was like, okay, fine, all right then yeah, and
Coale didn't get paid what she should have gotten paid
for the original thing. So she mad at herself out
of a chat.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
There you go. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, So folks who
just get mad and need to be loud before any
dust has settled or anything has had time to take
shape often do that and regret it later.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean, I also understand it's like when you've been
taken advantage of time and time again, like and you're
just not gonna take it anymore. You have a hair
trigger and you want to stand up for yourself.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But that was the wrong time, right, but you try
to have I mean, I don't know situation. I mean,
you try to have these conversations as privately as possible
before you make public noise, just because you know who
wound up looking like the idiot and who didn't get
paid what and Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean part of that is why Beyonce is as
stringent as she is, because she could have said something
before she set it out, but she was going to
do it anyway.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
So she's say, I fine, I.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Will dot all the i's and cross all the teeth,
all right then, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So right in Philadelphia, let's get into some good news.
The Odunde Festival Yeah is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary, which
is it is the largest African American street festival in
North America, and it takes place right on South Street
in Philadelphia. The events kickoff June first, and the celebration

(20:45):
itself will culminate on Sunday, June eighth, with the festival
spanning sixteen city blocks, featuring two stages of live entertainment,
global cuisine, and over one hundred and fifty vendors from
around the world. We we have gone, We've gone right together.
We went to a dunda.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I've been to a dundee exactly two times, and
one time I was performing, ah and I didn't stay,
so I can almost count that one. Okay, It's it's
but it's a wonderful event. It's a world like at
least a national model, if not a global model.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
There are some headliners this year. Yeah, is that Rakim
rock Him rock him? Yes, as in Eric b and
rock Him Okay, and doug You Fresh, Yes, Dougie Fresh.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's that's Dougie Fresh with some African drums would be
some ship Okay, Okay, Like I kind of want to
see that if nothing else.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, it's uh, it's it's a big deal and it's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It is, And of course the stuff that I really
want to see is on days I have to work.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, Thursday the fifth is Odunda in the city, a
dynamic African dance performance in Center cety.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right, and I'm pretty sure that I know most of
the people that will be.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Performing, probably yeah, probably, dang it. But the festival itself,
the grand finale is Sunday, June eighth. South Street will
be transformed into a global celebration of Black Joy art
and culture. Love that.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, love it, love it, love it and if nothing else,
we can try to make the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah. It was funded with one hundred dollars grant back
in nineteen seventy five. Yep the day it draws over
five hundred thousand attendees annually. Mm hmm, yep. Yeah, it's cool.
It's very cool.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Dundae is a fixture.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And for the longest time, there was this perceived argument
at a dun Day and Pride were on the same day,
you know, was that we were being forced to choose
between being and queer and being black.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
No, no, and and you know what, that wasn't fair
And you know it, I know it wasn't right because
they sat down. Franny Price was the executive director of
Philly Pride Presents, and she sat down with the you know,
the person who organized her Dundee at the time, and said,
is there any problem if we do, you know, using

(23:28):
the same Sunday And they both agreed there wasn't because
there also wasn't overlap if you were black and queer.
Pride was in the morning, right, Oh, Dundee started in
the afternoon once Pride was well over right, and so
you could do both. You could come to the city
and do both things.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it's not like the two way you did are
so far apart from each other. You can walk from
one day, you can.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Walk from one to the other. Right, Pride culminates The
parade used to holminate at pens Landing and that's where
the festivities were. And we walked from pens Landing to
a dunda. Mm hm, yeah, but not that bad. But
fifteen blocks, sixteen blocks whatever, it was exactly not terrible.
And yeah, it was possible to do both. But when

(24:18):
people were looking for issues to create out of nothing,
that was one of the things they kept saying that
was so disrespectful of Pride, And it was like, you, no,
the respect The respectful conversation happened well before they were
ever held on the same day.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
But nobody ever mentioned with the new people that are
running Pride, how come they always managed to have Pride
on the same at the same time as the Roots picnic.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
That that is scheduling conflict in my humble.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I exactly, that's that's in dead opposition to the Roots picnic.
You have to choose, yep, between one and the other. Yeah,
that's a choice you have to make because the new
folk made it, so you know. Yeah, yeah, different is
not always better, and in this case, not even close.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know. Even when I was putting together little tiny events,
I always checked the calendar before I picked my date.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
But you know, right, but we do have a reason
to go into Center City now in June. We can
do that, Yes we can. Yeah, but how cool fifty
years right, It's amazing. The festival thrives under the leadership
of Boomy Fernandez West, who is the daughter of co

(25:39):
founder Lois Fernandez, and I believe that is the person,
unless it might have been Lowis actually that sat down
with Franny and decided they could absolutely be the same day.
It's very cool. Honors the ancestors, educates communities, creates space
for joy, expression and legacy, all important things. Exactly very cool.

(26:03):
Yesterday was International Day against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. Yes,
I had a hoobe it. I had a hobe it.
I' dahope bit, i'd a hop bit. That is one
hell of an acronym, which I've never seen that year,
but there it is. I had a hope bit. I

(26:24):
know you are to Hoole bit. It is recognized around
the world, though hardly in the United States at this moment,
at least not in Washington do so. This is May seventeenth, Yesterday,
Idaho b It is a decentralized observance with organizations and

(26:46):
individuals everywhere for to hold whatever kind of event they choose.
In America, we're trying to purge the military of trans people.
We'll get into them, I know. It is managed by
a coalition of activist groups, digital and some organized around
a certain issue. Numerous governments and other institutions have recognized

(27:07):
the day, including the European Parliament and most United Nations agencies.
Former President Joe Biden recognized it several times. True Anyway
started in two thousand and four and meant to draw
attention to the violence and discrimination experienced by our community

(27:27):
and all other people with diverse sexual orientations, gender identities
or expressions, and sex characteristics. According to their website, May
seventeenth was chosen because that was the date in nineteen
ninety when the World Health Organization declassified homosexuality as a

(27:50):
mental disorder. Work there we go.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
That's the theme, right. The theme this year was the
power of communities.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And m h m hm. I mean you know that's
kind of what I've wrote about. Yeah, you know, it's
never been more important to stand together in community exactly,
put aside bullshit in differences that part.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, Their official stance was the Power of Communities reflects
the diversity and richness within lgbtqia plus communities from the
grassroots to the global, celebrating our varied and intersecting backgrounds, identities,
and experiences. The theme for twenty twenty five highlights the
strength and resilience that emerges from our collective solidarity, recognizes

(28:37):
the contributions of human rights defenders, lgbtqia plus civil society groups, allies,
and millions of people in our communities who support human
rights and collective liberation.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
All right then, right, I love that we need more
of that quity put out there.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
What is that, Oh, they're out fifty Pride fifty. I'm sorry. Yeah.
Queerity has a list every year that they call their
Pride fifty or their fifty movers and shakers in the community,
and they do a weekly spotlight on a handful of them.
The current ones that are highlighted are Marla Mindel.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Who won an Olivier Award.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yes, Olympian, Laurence Scruggs a comedian, Matteo Lane who I love? Yes,
Trammel Tillman, a rising queer black voice in Hollywood, Chapel
Rowan designer, Prabel Groung, and Pepper Mint.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay, who I love? She is moving and shaking, she
really is. Yeah, So I guess they you know, everyone
else is coming soon. So this is what do they do?
Six at a time? Seven at a time? Yeah, this
is the first seven. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Overall it's a.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Uh I see Hunter Schaeffer is coming up along with.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Duran Bernard is on here.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Who I love?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Do Chi Law Roach Law Roach, Jazz Jennings or Amber Ruffin,
Nathan Lee Graham from a mid century modern? Oh well,
Malcolm Kenyatta.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Oh there we go, we know him. M hm hm
m m.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I mean she's the first, whether she likes it or not,
you know, even if she is driving the bus. So yeah, okay,
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
And we'll put the the link to the list in
the notes.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
To this episode. Okay, let's do that because it's a
it's a pretty cool list. Yeah. I guess the day
will come when her name comes up and I'm not surly,
but it hasn't happened yet. She's got a lot of
making up to do. I'm you know, I'm sorry, but
we ain't forget. It's it's hard to it's really hard
to know. And you know, obviously I haven't had that

(31:06):
conversation with her and everyone who defended her actions as
if there was some strategy involved, and I'm like, yet
to see it, right, yet to see it and watch
those motherfuckers double down with the disrespect you give them
an inch.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I would love for you to sit down and talk
with her, but you need to get to a point
where you're the first thing and you ask is in, bitch,
what the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, and you know, before this, when she was a
state senator, you know, she had absolutely agreed to and
we you know, it just didn't happen. But I don't
Oh that's right. Yeah, And what's she going to say
that she hasn't already said in public? I mean, I
don't know, be interesting. I guess I would have to,

(31:54):
you know, get over my surliness, right, So yeah, I'm
not sure I would schedule with me right now. Yeah,
that's down the road. A piece. You know probably if
whatever ever, but yeah, yeah, that bus is heavy, ol bitch. Yeah,

(32:15):
there a call for a European Union ban on anti
LGBTQ conversion gets one million signatures.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is coming out of Brussels.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, there's only eight of the current twenty seven EU
nations fully ban the practice, right, Yeah, it's harmful.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So because of the number of signatures, it means the
initiative has secured enough backing to force the European Commission
to provide a detailed response, right.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
That doesn't mean they're gonna change well anyway, they have
to respond, right yeah, because I mean I'm assuming we
all know any conversion practice applies methods aimed at changing
the sexual orientation or gender identity or expression of gay, lesbian,
queer and trans people. It has never in the history

(33:11):
of ever worked. Nope, go watch pray Away never ever. Yeah,
and it is it's nothing but a harmful practice.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And anyone that says otherwise is lying or selling something.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
At this moment, like you said, only eight out of
twenty seven nations in the EU have a full band,
and that would be France, Belgium, Cyprus, Germany, Malta, Portugal,
Spain and Greece.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, so not Italy. Mm hmmm, well okay, I figured
that because you know, the Vatican, right, they don't want
to convert them, they just want to They want them
quiet at the tea dance anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
So it's it's a moment of progress and a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Of times, you know, I will say this a lot
of a lot of countries, and I believe, including this one,
even when we say we ban it, we ban it
among licensed professionals, right with a religious exception. So the
people that practice this shit anyway in this day and age,
buy and lawds are not licensed professionals, though not so

(34:18):
long ago, some of them did. It's the churches, it's
the counselors. It's the people who didn't watch pray Away,
who have not you know, accepted themselves fully yet and
their self living runs so deep that they perpetuate this
idea that self delusion will get you somewhere or something
whatever that is. Yeah, okay, anyway, they got a million signatures,

(34:45):
so that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
It is cool.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, a country, I want to say, New Zealand, and
one other country I maybe it's Canada, actually banned the
practice entirely, including among churches. Right, Right, they made the distinction,
right that the practice itself with it no matter what

(35:09):
you fucking believe, is not Okay, So yeah, that's how
it should be done most of the time. It's not
because religious people are like yeah, but that's how we
get a lot of money telling them to fear the queers. Okay.
So there's so much good news here. We're going to
take a break and then we'll be right back with

(35:29):
more of it. Yes, and we're back queer back, so

(35:53):
let's keep going.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Oh, here's one I feel like this. This falls under
the category of water is wet. Right, children of lesbian
parents who are donor conceived are as well adjusted as
anyone else, according to a study. Right. Didn't need a
study to say that, know that, but I guess we
did deprove it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I mean I kind of put it here just to
you know, reinforce the idea that water is indeed a
wet Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
This was published in the Advocate that you know, even
without a dad, right, and it holds true whether the
donor is known to the child or not or not. Right.
I mean, parents have been proving offspring conceived through sperm
donation are just as well adjusted psychologically as anyone else,

(36:39):
or you know, just as fundings right, some of these
CIS people are not well adjusted. I'm sorry, but I
mean anyway, I mean just as well adjusted right as
anyone else. The findings are important at a time when
the LGBTQ plus community is under attack in the United States,
according to the research who come from the US, Italy

(37:02):
and the Netherlands. The study, the psychological adjustment of donor
conceived offsprings of lesbian parents over two decades, differences by
donor type and contact with the donor, was published in
Reproductive Biomedicine Online. There's something Trump will never read. I

(37:25):
doubt JK will either, anyway. The researchers looked at data
from the US National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, which included
seventy donor conceived offspring assessed at age ten, seventeen, twenty five,
and thirty to thirty three years old. The study was
initiated in nineteen eighty six. Yeah, I mean, thirty four

(37:48):
point two nine percent had an anonymous donor, thirty four
point two nine percent a known donor, and thirty one
point forty three an open identity donor. Where the donors
identifying information is accessible to offspring once they reach a
certain age, which is eighteen in most.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Countries, and should they want it?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah? Right, and then it's up to the kid. But
they you know, ones who can be known more than
eighty percent consistently scored within the normal range across the state,
across all stages when it comes to problem behavior, and
none continuously scored in the deviant range. The new report
says none, none, none, none, none, And yet they think

(38:35):
we live on the deviant range. Exactly Home, Get out
of my head. I was just thinking where the queers
and not the antelope buld bestiality always comes around on
that record. But those horns would hurt. Depends on whether

(38:57):
you're holding them or inserting them. I guess there were
no differences in problem behavior between those who contacted their
donor and those who did not by the age of
thirty to thirty three. Yeah, could a told you this. Yeah.
The people in the study were primarily white and sis gender.
Future studies would benefit from including a sample in which race, ethnicity,

(39:19):
and gender identity intersect to offer a more representative perspective
on the psychological adjustment of donor conceived offspring of lesbian parents. However, overall,
these findings contribute to the broader field of reproductive psychology,
providing practitioners and policymakers with valuable insights to support diverse

(39:41):
family structures while navigating the evolving challenges posed by technological
advancements and societal shifts. Okay, okay. Support is especially critical
for lesbian parents and their offspring in the United States,
so are currently facing an unprecedented reactionary backlash against our

(40:02):
rights and issues, potentially jeopardizing their overall well being and
adjustment in the years to come. Their shit. So there
we go, there we can. Water is wet. Water is wet,
So we know in case you were wondering, yeah, yeah,
And speaking of h yeah, I put this here because

(40:26):
there's a list of dyke marches all across the country.
You're going to, I guess post this link. I am.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
And because you know, in the discussion of the lgbtq
A plus community, the women get spoken of the least. Okay,
And I happened to see these articles and I was like,
we're going to include them, because you know, the ladies

(40:52):
don't get enough play. I've been having a bunch of
conversations about how you know, we talk about queer spaces,
and you know lesbian and women's centered spaces are the
first ones to go.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Okay, but I would disagree just in the fact that
you know, trans women who are lesbians are getting lots
and lots of airplay. Well true, yeah, but indeed you
know that doesn't make what you're saying not correct. Right,
I'm just saying, no, you're right, you're you're you are
also correct. Yes. The Philly Dyke March is May thirty first, Yeah,

(41:28):
May thirty first, and they take off from con Park
at noon and there's some kind of drag showcase. Unless
they're drag Kings, I don't know why that's my guest
on Friday, May thirtieth at Wayamway. I don't know what
the two have to do with each other, but anyway,
that's when Philly.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm assuming it's drag Kings.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Maybe DC's Bike March is June sixth La Pride Dyke
March June eighth, Boston June thirteen, Okay, in New York
June twenty.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Eight, who is the same day as Philly.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Right, And the New York one, of course is you know,
coincides with pride by the looks of it. Yeah, so
San Francisco tre In twenty eight. Yep. So they're fun.
Yeah they you know, by some bikes.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
There will be so many crocs and broken stocks.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
So many crocks and stocks.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
And Doc Martin's and those yeah, and stuff and stuff,
and you know everybody doesn't know not all those bands.
Just saying, hey, I have nothing bad to say about
comfortable footwear. Good, well, good, not a damn thing.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's important. It is because you own something I do.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I was just someone was trying to say one of
the biggest fashion failures in history was when people try
to convince us that crocs were fashionable.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And I'm like, you know what.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Y'all can say, crocs are ugly, but my knees in
my back think they are adorable. M hmm, please, and
thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, they were amazing for working behind the bar and
being on your feet all day, and even like if
I'm cooking a great big genner or whatever, I have
a tendency to be barefoot until I realized how much
my back is hurting, and then I remember to put
my goddamn crocs on, and then I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I mean, it's not like, you know, when we're going
for a night on the town, we reached for the crocs.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
No, no, come on now, But have I ever run
to the store in my purple crocs? I have? That's
why you got them purple I have. I mean it
doesn't happen often, but I have.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I remember the ones you got me that look like sneakers,
and then you got me the ones that actually were
crock sneakers.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Those I wore those out there you go.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
See.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
So, an appeals court has issued another legal defeat against
Florida Governor Ron de Santis and his attempt to ban
all ages drag performances, calling the law overbroad and saying
that it attempts to take a shotgun to constitutionally protected

(44:21):
free speech rights.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
That word overbroad is the word that keeps getting used
the most in response and in retaliation to him.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
And it should be because it all is over abroad, right.
And you know, first of all, none of it addresses
what they pretended addresses, because the problems don't exist in
the first place. I mean, that's really what we need
to be talking about, is the enormous amount of time
and taxpayer money being wasted by Republican governors and Republican legislators,

(44:51):
you know, in local, state, federal government, distracting the American
public from things that actually.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Matter, exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But you know, until people have little, until Republicans have
literally had enough, you know. Yeah, I guess this keeps
going until they wrote it out yep, or yeah, we
have to leave chall This week, the Eleventh Circuit Court
of Appeals issued a two to one decision against the law,
effectively continuing a lower court's injunction against the law and

(45:26):
sending it back down to Florida's Middle District to receive
a full bench trial. Appeals Court judge Robin Rosenbaum wrote
that the law's prohibition against lewd conduct was like a
prosecutorial skeleton key that any state officials could use to
ban speech that they considered obscene, which we'll get into

(45:50):
exactly takes an I know it when I see it
approach to regulating expression, the judge wrote, and named in
the majority court decision. Let's see, there's a dog walking in,
which is why there's all these dogs barking in the distance,
but not this one, but not ours. Oddly, this time

(46:10):
I'm scratching behind his ears. Oh, that's why you can't
do nothing else while I'm doing that. That's true. The
Act prohibits children's admission to live performances that Florida considers
obscene for minors, but by providing only vague guidance as
to which performances it prohibits, the Act wields a shotgun

(46:31):
when the First Amendment allows a scalpel. At most, the
possibility that Florida officials might view a gender bending but
chased drag performance as lewde and lacking value is far
from an unreasonable conclusion, she added. She also called the
law the Goldilocks of speech regulation, ensuring each child can

(46:52):
access only that speech that is just right. What might
be considered appropriate for a fifteen year old might differ
from what might be considered appropriate for a sixteen to
seventeen year old, eighteen year old, or a preteen child.
She also noted that Miami is home to a historic
thirty five foot billboard for Coppertons on Screen, which features

(47:13):
the brand's historic logo, a girl perhaps age seven or so,
with a dog pulling at her swimsuit, revealing her pale
posterior and its contrast with her tanned skin. Yep, what
a depiction like the Coppertoon logo be patently offensive for
a five year old. It's always made me uncomfortable, it has, Yes,

(47:35):
the Coppertoon thing, Yeah, I'm like, must we Okay, well
didn't make me uncomfortable, I mean, not uncomfortable, but it's
it's a cartoon, I know.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But my point is double standards and all that.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Okay, Oh that's fair. I'm just never I never thought
about it. I just never thought about it, you know.
And then they talked about Hamburger Mary's, right, who already sued,
believes its family friendly performances contain no loud or sexually
explicit content. But Hamburger Mary's also makes clear that it's

(48:15):
drag shows like almost all shows in the genre, and
five performers wearing clothing more conventionally worn by the other
sex and often prosthetic breasts, and it notes that some
people might consider even a man in an addressed reading
two young children to violate the statute, which is what
it's meant to do. Right, Yeah, the co owner of

(48:38):
Hamburger Mary's said, for conservatives, lude and inappropriate is just
a dragqueen dressed in clothes and not exposing anything that
to them is too much. God, they hate freedom, don't they?
Uh huh. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I blame sis white gay men for this entire argument.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
How so, because I mean, many of them are the
ones in drugs, right.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
With the whole push for assimilation which led to gay marriage,
And one could argue, once gay people were allowed to
be married, then all of a sudden, we're done fighting
for rights because we got what we wanted, but because
we had that push for assimilation, it was that whole like,
you know, we're just like you and da dah da
da da da da da da, and you know, you

(49:26):
can bring your kids to Pride, you can bring your kids.
And then people started bringing kids to drag show, and
then that made the drag queens have to water down
their acts so that they could be family friendly in
case a kid comes in and it just just snowballed.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, but I mean, I mean, I'm sorry, but most
of the drag shows that took place in gay bars
start at eleven o'clock. If they started.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
At eleven or one, Yeah, the big problem was always
the drag brunches.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
That was it. Well that's a different story, but you know,
and it depends on where they are, whether or not
children are likely to be there, and plenty of them
say you have to be twenty one or eighteen or whatever.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know if that's
it or not. I'm not sure there's a correlation. These
people are out for blood for no good goddamn reason.

(50:17):
As much as I love blaming White Gaze for everything,
I don't think this is one of them. I mean,
it feels like a stretch. I Republicans, I blame now
Republican White Gaze fuck each and every one of them.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
But yeah, or actually, no one should.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Ever, No one should, ever, man, no matter how much
they pay you, or at least advertise it after the
But I just I don't know. It's stupid. It's stupid, right,
And how many of you folks have let your kids

(50:56):
watch Missus Doubtfire or Tutsie. Well, I guess it comes.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Down to like, if you ask your average drag queen,
don't ne'er another one of them give a fuck about
your kids? And most of them hate kids?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Many, yeah, but that there are some of the ones who,
do you know, do well with children and do do
story times?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, the separate the separate genre of like kids centered dragon.
I'm not talking about that, okay, that's all right. No,
that that's wonderful and that's thriving. And my favorite thing
is when the queens write their own children's book and
then they go around reading the book to the kids.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean, Desantus is just oh my god, that's
crazy shit. And it always was, right, it always was it.
Really you know, let's move one, okay, because yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Speaking of I kind of love speaking of.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
White kise I was speaking. Children were children's books, and
both Chastin bootage Edge wrote a new children's book about
two dads that isn't about being different. Good, It's about time, right.
Papa's Coming Home, he wrote with a purpose. Let's see

(52:21):
their twins, Gus and Penelope, by the way, are nearly
four years old. Oh my god. Yes. The former middle
school teacher, theater director, and now author of three books
has settled into something resembling peace in northern Michigan, But
his latest project, Papa's Coming Home, a tender, funny, beautifully
illustrated picture book, is anything but a political. When he

(52:43):
first received early illustrations, his daughters didn't need a formal introduction.
Penelope came up right next to me. He recalled, and
she was like, that's me, and that's Gus, and that's Papa,
and that's Buddy. Are their dog, and that's Daddy. It was,
in essence the moment the book fulfilled its quiet mission

(53:03):
to let children like Gus and Penelope see themselves in
a story where their family isn't a lesson or an issue,
but a given. On its surface, this book, which comes
out on May twentieth, so Tuesday, it'll be out by
the time we do this, tells the story of two
kids and their dog, Butter, scrambling to gather all the

(53:25):
things that Papa might have missed while away as they
prepare to pick them up from the airport. It's so cute,
I know. The story is infused with a parent's anticipation,
a child's earnest logic, and the chaos of family life.
But in the front landscape of American politics in twenty
twenty five, a simple, joyful book about two dads is

(53:46):
never just that. Across the country, conservatives have tried to
ban books we know, by us and about us from
school and public libraries. There's nothing objectionable to the story,
but a judge told the advocate parents who love their
kids very much, which I think every kid is deserving of.
If someone has a problem with that, that's for them

(54:07):
to explain. The book's most important line, The best part
about Coming Home is You isn't just a warm clothing.
It's the manifesto of a parenting philosophy. It's about unconditional
love over material things in the whirlwind of figuring out parenting.
It's just so important to be grounded in that. I
love it. I was asking around to publishers and LGBTQ

(54:31):
bookstores after our kids were born, looking for us stories
like ours. A lot of books featuring same sex couples
have a moral upfront, right, Yeah. I didn't want to
read my kids a story where our kind of family
meant we always had to talk about being different, you
know what. That's real shit it is.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
And I love it's too prong because.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
A yeah, because I want to goe ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It's it's you know, it's just a story about a family,
and there's so many like straight counterparts to that. But
also also it's a gambit. It's like, let's see them
say something about this and they will, of course they will,
but they'll have to come up with a new argument

(55:18):
because no, or they'll have to prove they.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Didn't read it well. But but the argument is they
don't want to see us existing, any of us.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Right, But it's always you know, it's showing portraying sexuality
or age and appropriate materials.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
See, I thought, here's what I thought you were going
to do. I thought you were going in the direction
of assimilation. I really did. I thought you were going
to say, See, a privileged, gay white father doesn't want
his kids to have to feel like they're different.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I did think that they are.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I did think then, but know, if you're going to
protect them from that, and I'm not sure you should, right.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I did think that, But I saw the subversive part
of it there is, okay, and that's what I appreciate it, okay.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
And I think we need both. Actually, oh, we definitely do,
you know, because you know, the little sishead kids of
sishead people should be reading something with a moral. They
should be learning that other kinds of families exist, and
the children within those families should, you know, be able

(56:33):
to read a normalized book where they just exist. Right,
you know, I love seeing trans actors and actresses, trans
performers in roles that have nothing to do with being
trans right, nothing makes my heart sing like seeing Laverne
Cox as a meat I made right, right, you know

(56:53):
what I mean, Like just you know, there's no it's
got nothing to do with anything.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Like when Angelica Ross was on American Story just playing
a nurse.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Right right, Laverne Cox was in I forget what it
was where she's just a personal trainer, yeah, and a
friend of you know, the main character or whatever, inventing
Anna there you go, but not you know, it wasn't
some big lesson right it, you know, And that, more
than anything, does normalize the fact that we are a

(57:22):
part of the fabric of life. Right. Well.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Another example would be there's so many children's books five
black authors featuring black families, but it's not about being
a black family.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
It's about being a family, right or right.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
You know, like you can see that they're a black family.
That's not the story, right.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
And in fairness, that should exist across the diversity of families,
for sure, correct, for sure, And it doesn't always have
to be you know, some big.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
But that would be considered dei or critical race theory
or something.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
But all of it, the fact that there could be
a book that is about something other than your white ass.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
They find something other than your right.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
That's what they find so horrifying. It's like as if
they read that part, as if they read because you know,
the mouth breathers doing this ship Moms for Liberty and
all these grunts are not new. I don't think they
want their children to be readers either, because then they're

(58:41):
going to see grandmam in pictures that are not flattering,
caring signs that are you know.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Problematic, and those pictures are starting to make the rounds
again in discussions.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Good good, Sorry you don't like it, you know, do
be better, be better than your ancestors. Learn something from it.
I mean, it was the first thing we did. We
found a KKK broscher, remember, with their their anthem or
whatever the hell in one of my grandfather's chests. We
talked about it. Yep, we talked about it. Yeah, that's

(59:14):
you know. I heard the old man was a racist.
There was proof I figured and that song was not about.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
But I mean, I'm not gonna you know, it was
designed for clapping on the one in the.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Three right is that awful, of course it is. You know,
was he a scholar? God know? You know, I'm he
was a carpenter. This is my en This is my grandfather,
not even my father, who was born in nineteen twenty five,

(59:52):
but my grandfather who was maybe born eighteen ninety five
something like that, like ways back. Yeah, racist as fuck,
you know, white, essentially rural. I mean where my father
grew up now is not considered rural, but then it was.
It was farms, right, you know. And this is not

(01:00:14):
a man who I don't know that he ever went
to school or not for very long. And I don't
know that he could read, so I don't know when
he's going with the brush shore to begin with. Maybe
he could, maybe he could. I knew he could cipher
because he could build a house, so obviously he could
do math. But you know, my father could barely read.

(01:00:38):
So I'm wondering. I don't know about his father. But
that's just a point of history, you know, And I'm
not Why would I hide it? Why would I want
to tell you a different story? Like that is the
part I get stuck on every single time, because that's

(01:00:59):
the true story. Why am I going to paint a
picture other than that, right, like we know better, we
do better that part. Yeah, did my father ever use
the N word? He did. He made this distinction, yeah,
about who he thought was that and was not that,
and tried to argue that I had nothing to do

(01:01:20):
with color and did stop using the word when I said,
and I don't care about that. What your distinction has
no difference. Please stop using it, right, please you? And
he did, you know, like, because you're talking about a
lot of my friends, and it's I don't want that
to slip dad, that part, you know, please stop right,

(01:01:41):
it's not okay. You know it's not it's not okay.
And he finally got it, he understood that, and good. Yeah,
but I'm not going to tell you otherwise. Why would I.
It's part of the truth. And that's what I can't understand.
I want to know history. Right, These folks have a

(01:02:05):
vested interest in people I don't know. It's so delusional,
it's such a bully stance. That is so delusional and ridiculous. Right.
If we don't teach them that, they won't know right, No,
they're going to be angry when they find out. Well,

(01:02:26):
you tried to keep from them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Well, but a lot of them they're trying to get
us to nineteen eighty four, where no one had any
concept of history, and so therefore the war that was
going on that may or may not actually have been
real was always going on, and we were always the
victors and they were always the bad guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
You know, Yep, I do, Oh, I do. I'm just
it's my knowing sometimes. Yeah, yeah, what a what an
odd little world live in? Right? Anyway, chest To wrote
a book and it sounds adorable, it does, and I
feel like we should buy a copy just because I agree,

(01:03:09):
so I can have it in my office of children
show up or something or something yeah, or I don't know,
offered around a spaghetti dinner. You know, there's murmuring that
Pete is considering or thinking about running in twenty twenty.
I'm like, oh, honey, right, oh, I'm pretty sure we're

(01:03:31):
not ready for a gay man in the way now
you're pretty sure. Yeah, we don't want a white woman.
We didn't want a black woman, and we don't want women.
I just you know, having having been you know, mistaken
for one for a very long time, we're not highly

(01:03:52):
regarded a month right, many many Cis had people, right,
So I don't know. I mean, you know, he was
elected to smaller office and good good on him, and
he was certainly appointed in a progressive I would argue
progressive administration. Right, Yeah, let's see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I do want to see Jasmine Crockett run for president though.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
That'd be fun, but she will lose two probably. Yeah,
but if this is any indication, like, I don't even
fucking know anymore. I thought Kamala Harris those debates would
be everything they would. I really thought that Kamala had
a good shot. I really did. I thought we had
learned our lesson. But you know, I still think this

(01:04:39):
is just me. I still think Biden would have won
if they hadn't, you know, held him to the one
term thing and screamed. You know, the Democrats that screamed
uh handed it to Trump as much as anyone else did,
because yeah, there were Yeah, we still have him in

(01:05:00):
our own party. So I'm just saying anyway, Yeah, I don't.
I as much as I would love to see that,
I don't know who comes next. I don't. I don't
know we are, We're going to have re elections, and
i'd like the child don't get me just don't get
me started, right, I really got to pick up some
duo linga. Anyway, you know what's fun. What let's talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Sad employer people taking passer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
So the quote of the month was fucking RFK Junior
at a congressional hearing saying no one should take medical
advice from me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
No ship, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Motherfucker leads the Department of Health and Human Services, right,
and even he doesn't think he's qualified for the position.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Well, that makes it unanimous.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Bitch. This is what I'm talking about. This is what
I'm always talking about. I want adults running my government. Yeah.
I want all the people in charge of all the
things we never think about to actually know something about
their respective shit we don't care about, rather than having

(01:06:26):
idiots like this anywhere near our government. H oh uh
huh ugh. So he made his first Congressional appearance as
Secretary of Health and Human Services on Wednesday, and came
under withering criticism from Democrats, appalled by massive cuts to

(01:06:48):
the agency and the Secretary's unwillingness to endorse childhood vaccinations. Yeah,
Department of Health and Human Services out gay representative Mark
Pocin elicited one of the most memorable exchanges in back
to back appearances by Kennedy, the founder of a prominent

(01:07:10):
anti vaccine group, before House and Senate committees, describing Kennedy
and his public positions on health policy and vaccinations as
is somewhat of a conundrum. He reminded him that Kennedy
had vaccinated his own children and then asked, if you
had a child today, would you vaccinate that child from measles?

(01:07:31):
Probably for measles, the secretary said, haltingly, adding my opinion
about vaccines are irrelevant. No, they're I'm telling you I
don't think people should be taking medical advice from me.
Then quit agree on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Quit, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Quit. Oh my god. On further questioning from Pocan, Kennedy
wouldn't answer whether he would vaccinate his own children against
chicken pox and polia today. I think we're going to
try to do, Kennedy said, of childhood vaccinations, is to
lay out the pros and cons. There are no anyway

(01:08:07):
the risks and benefits accurately as we understand them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Pro you don't get disease, con you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Do as you understand them, or as scientists understand them,
because those are two very different things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And that gets more and more obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
The US is currently experiencing the largest measles outbreak in
twenty five years, with over one thousand confirmed cases and
two deaths in fourteen different outbreaks, according to the Centers
for Disease Control. And they're probably only counting every other
one these days, just saying, I'm not even sure we

(01:08:47):
can trust them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
To count one, two, skip a few.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah. Falling vaccination rates have been cited as the cause.
Just thirty one percent of respondents, and a Reuter's poll
this week agreed that the administration is handling the outbreak
responsibly because they're not right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
That seems too high.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
You're making medical decisions every day. Representative Rosa Delaro told Kennedy,
you're the secretary of HHS. You have tremendous power over
health policy. Really horrified that you will not encourage families
to vaccinate their children. Really yeah, good god.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Kennedy's opening remarks in the Senate Health Committee were interrupted
by protesters shouting RFK kills people with AIDS.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
They were dragged from the hearing, of course science security
of stickers reading Kennedy's anti vacs, anti science, anti American
grandparents for vaccines, and when Bobby Lie's children die were.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Worn by other members of the public. According to The
Washington Post, Hmmm out, Lesbian Senator Tommy Baldwin raked Kennedy
over handling lead poisoning claims for the agency. Exasperated with
Kennedy's contradictory statements and actions, Baldwin told him, you cannot
tell us that you want to make America healthy again

(01:10:22):
when you are willfully destroying programs that keep children safe
and healthy from lead poisoning. The entire staff has been fired. Yeah. Yeah.
He's denied that he's anti vaccine. He's also said autism
comes from vactines. Nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
We keep bringing back shit that was obsolete decades ago,
like I'm waiting for like Betamax to come back on sale.
It's like, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
He also recently claimed that the measles vaccine contains aborted
feetes debris, which it does not. Pressed on this claim
by Senator Chris Murphy yesterday, Kennedy had a meltdown. All true,
all true. He shouted at Murphy, you want me to
lie to the public. No, we want you to know,
we want you to stop lying. Where do you even

(01:11:18):
get that from? Oh my god. And one of his
most outrageous claims, Kennedy said last year that COVID nineteen
is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people
who are most immune are Ashkenazi, Jews and Chinese. Huh okay, Well,
the man is a fucking moron and it is kind

(01:11:41):
of delicious that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Seeing him crash and burn in public over and over. Yeah,
that's why it's in shadenfdia, not nonsense, because it's both.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
And it is both. But you know, he deserves to
be laughed at. Yeah, just for all of this, just
all of it. I'd be laughing harder if it wasn't
so horrific. No one should take medical advice from this
jackets now, that's for sure. I wouldn't ask him for
directions up the street. I just I wonder how many

(01:12:13):
how many Republican children have to die before they wise up?
Chaw just wondering, just wondering, as not away plantation burns.
I saw this picture. I didn't know what it was about.
The ancestors and social media Rejoice child. The memes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Especially from people that were like from the area. Like
my favorite was it's burning in the background. You see
a black woman in the foreground just dumping water onto
the ground. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yeah, this monument to southern grandeur, built on the backs
of the enslaved black people has been destroyed by fire
that raged for nearly forty hours. I guess if you
don't add water right. It began late May fifteenth. The
inferno gutted the one hundred and sixty year old estate
turned resort good God, once the largest Antebellum mansion remaining

(01:13:19):
in the cell. Yeah, they turned it into a motherfucking resort. Uh,
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I hope every single white person that ever vacation there
has a partnering like black ghost following them home and
like stealing their mayo and wow, taking away the startup
app for their tesla or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Wow damn. Yeah. It started on the fourteenth when staff
noticed smoke in the south wing, and the fire quickly
spread through the sixty four room, fifty three thousand square
foot property, including a three story of rotunda. It's been

(01:14:13):
on the Historic Registry since nineteen eighty despite efforts from
multiple fire departments, the structure was lost. Other many, I'm
not even gonna talk about the fire department. Many see
poetic justice in the ashes of a plantation that never

(01:14:33):
meaningfully confronted its legacy of slavery. Right, it became a
fucking resort, right, not a museum, No, a resort that sort. Yeah,
it was built in eighteen fifty nine by sugar magnet
John Hampton Randolph, powered by the forced labor of more

(01:14:54):
than one hundred fifty enslaved people, a fact that is
often glossed over, and the tourism for sures, I bet
it is. I imagine that for many it feels less
like a tragedy and more like a reason to celebrate.
One social media user pointed out the lack of acknowledgment
of the property's racist past as a reason for indifference,

(01:15:20):
not a way as burning. I have not a care yep.
Rebranding a plantation as a resort is wild and diabolical.
They don't even acknowledge the history of plantation. On their website.
They refer to it as a Southern mansion. Yeah yeah,

(01:15:44):
Black Enterprise is a website that is impossible to read from.
But I think we caught the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Gist, Well, I was going by the I was going
through Google because I sought this story out to include
in the notes today, and I was going by the headlines.
Who I was going to pick because there was like
Fox News was like it was a devastating fire. Yeah, whatever.

(01:16:09):
Next the building was lost, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Next anyway, it's gone exactly, it burned, baby, it burns.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, and the motherfucker wants to rebuild.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Who's going to do that at today's prices and actually
having to pay labor?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Let's see that part.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
How many the one story, three bedroom structure? How does
that work?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah? I didn't even get that far work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I wonder how it's a sure that's a good ask question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Oh ship mm hmmm mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Oh my, oh yeah, how obtoose the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
But there, that's not even the only one like that though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
There's a few wells.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Damn former plantations that they turn into like bed and breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And that is why we live up here, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Event venues, Like there's so many white couples that have
gotten married, not even white couples.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Actually, there's been a couple of black ones.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
They get married.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
What of that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
And and sadly I've seen every time there's a black
person that gets married there they're getting married to a
white woman.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
It's like white, well, oh, let's play out the fantasy
all the way. Hard to not ship? Oh shit, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I'm speechless. I can't imagine that, truly, I can't. Like
I First of all, I'm I just had this second
where I tried to picture me even wanting that. But
I was trying to picture your response and whether or

(01:18:24):
not it involved violence, because I just can't imagine that conversation.
Wouldn't it be fun if.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Oh my god, right, how do you even broach the subject?
It has to be a black person's idea first.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
It has to I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Once I said it, I was like, well, I don't
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I damn it. Oh yeah, that is a king I
do not share, no neither no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Anyway, Yeah, that ship burned to the ground. It did.
This has been your moment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Of simpoy people taking pleasure, raing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Main Yeah, I hope it. Whatever I do, you have
a fifteen minute fave and then I'm gonna need a break.
I do, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Part of me wants to change it. To like burn
baby burn, or the roof is on fire, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Oh, I want that, but now I want that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Well, maybe maybe we'll play it later.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
In the roof the roof. The roof is a fire.
We don't need no water that the motherfucker burn. Yeah,
I think that should be the fifteen fave. At this point,
I really no matter what you had in mind. But okay,
what go ahead. I'd really rather take it to the

(01:20:00):
break with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Fuck it, let's going out to a break. So the
roof is on fire and we'll be right now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
This one's with the ancestor.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I this DJ cut different ways, so let me hear
you cut a d J.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Let's make some noise. Let's make some noise.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Come on the roof.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
The roof is on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
And we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Que'er bag.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
That was rock Master Scott and the Dynamic Three and
cathartic as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
That took me back to the fourth grade.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Fuck you, why you gotta do that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I'm sorry why you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Got to remind me where I was when you were
in the fourth grade.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
But I learned something because I always knew that Slick
Rick was a member of the Dynamic Three, but I
was today years old when I realized that it was
not that slick Rick. So there was two motherfuckers walking
around with the name.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Slick Rick and only one got roal Right, I'll bet
you there was more than two. Yeah, just rhymes and shit,
you know, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
But I said during the break, I said, I'm not
mad we did that, and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
I'm not mad though now that that felt good. Actually,
I thought that was fun truly. So you'll have to
save whatever your fifteen minute fave was for next week.
Unless it changes, it will okay. But yeah, that was
my fifteen minute fave.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
It's okay, I dig it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Yep, yep. So it is time for the now shortened
cavalcade of nonsense and ally of the herd Is Foundation. Right.
The authors, of course, is of Project twenty twenty five.

(01:22:57):
Utah Senator Mike Lee proposed a bill that would ban
pornography in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Right, There's no way in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Hell I not when most of it is consumed by them,
thank you. It's oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
And I can't even I don't even want to know
the number of it that is. I bet you transport no,
it is y of course.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
On May eighth, Utah Senator Mike Lee reintroduced his Interstate
Obscenity Definition Act Iota iota like, I don't give one
io anyway, with support in the House from Illinois Rep.
Mary Miller. Lee is a fervent anti trans Republican. Oh
least he's fervent about something, I guess, having previously pressured

(01:23:46):
Amazon to stop selling a trans themed children's book, and
of course he supported legislation to ban trans students from
school sports leagues. Miller, meanwhile, is best known for intentionally
misgendering Sarah McBride earlier this year, and for declaring in
twenty twenty two that the overturning of Rov Wade was
a historic victory for white life. Oh my god, these

(01:24:10):
are terrible people. That doesn't even never mind, it's the
third time he's introduced.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
This bill, which should be a clue.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Defeated in twenty twenty two and in twenty twenty four. Republicans,
come on now, unless they could really figure out how
to keep Democrats from accessing porn while they still can,
I guess I'd like. I just don't even know how
any of this would work. It wouldn't I this is

(01:24:54):
stupid too. It is stupid, right, This is just dumb.
It's been re introduced and beaten down before. It'll very
likely be beaten down again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
You really think that you're going to be able to
eliminate porn?

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Of course not, of course not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Porn has literally been around since the dawn of time.
There's cave drawings of porn like not an exaggeration. What
makes you think.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
So? Let's see new age verification laws made Pornhub inaccessible
in sixteen states earlier this year, covering most of the
southern United States. That's funny. It's not just Republicans who
are pushing for such laws, however. Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs,

(01:25:46):
a Democrat, signed another such age of verification bill into
law earlier this week, and in Congress, Republican Senators Marshall
Blackburn and Majority Leader John Thurn joined with Democrats Richard
Blumenthal and Chuck Schumer to reintroduce the Kids Online Safety Act,
which free speech advocates say with threaten LGBTQ plus speech

(01:26:11):
while failing to protect children online. And that's what winds
up happening, you know, is that kids can't access sites
like the Trevor Project. We're accurate information about being transgender queer,
you know, or figuring out birth control because you know, brother, sister, mama,

(01:26:32):
friend doesn't want to teach birth control, like right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
I mean, I do agree that there needs to be
more stringent age verification with porn because kids do and
have way too easy access if.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
It's actually porn. I agree with you. Yeah, And because.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I remember a friend, a friend of ours, who when
he was working for Verizon, he was talking about how
he was going to install People's Wife, and he walked
into like the kids room to install the Wi Fi
in the room, and the kids just sitting there on
the iPad watching porn. He's like just watching it like
it's television, right, like that shit right, I called it

(01:27:12):
a long time ago. You know, I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
With that, but I agree and and but you know,
and it's a separated I see that as parental responsibility,
having been a parent, right, having raised kids in the
Internet age, which I did, that part of that. You know,
you there are parental controls you can put in place, right,

(01:27:35):
there are ways to you know, and then if your
high schooler is doing I don't know, a project and
needs certain keywords, you can you know, you can change
those settings over time. Right, But yeah, little kids accessing
porn not okay, right, And and that's not where they
should learn about sex anyway. And that's the thing they are, right,

(01:27:55):
and it's giving them a very twist. It's sucking them up. Yeah.
So yeah, within certain limits.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Right, but that's a separate issue, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
And unfortunately these are low information politicians of course, who
want to own the libs right till they realize they
can't access the porn that they prefer. Right, but they
probably have downloaded enough of it to last a lifetime,
just saying right, Yeah, so okay, also takes same at

(01:28:28):
trans people. That was the headline. I didn't see that
part other than he doesn't like trans people, like I
didn't get. I didn't see the aim at trans people
in it, did you? Because I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
It's very broad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, where does it take aim at trans people? You know?
And again it's bullshit that has been shot down before.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
It's shoehorned in under like okay. Part of the Project
twenty twenty five texts pornography is manifested today and the
omnipresent propagation of trains is gender ideology and sexualization of
children it's purveyors or child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women.
Pornography should be allowed. It's shoehorned in, doesn't Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Actually like it shouldn't even be in the headline. Whoever
wrote this headline should be fired. Yeah. I know what
it reads. I know what they say about US. I
know that it's patently false. There's nothing new here though
it's not specifically charging now. Like I said, it's shoehorned in.

(01:29:36):
If you squint, right, if you squint, you know whatever. Yeah,
good luck banning pornography. How's that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
It is not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
You know, this is the one I actually want to
talk about. This is the only one I actually care
if we talk about. Is that the Pentagon has begun
a mass removal of transgender troops. There are deadlines in place.
There was a May fifteenth Department of Defense memo ordering
commanders to review medical records of troops suspected of being

(01:30:14):
trans Suspected we go with transvestigation again, HM, and the
final orders that the Pentagon issued began forcing transgender service
members from the US military, giving those affected until June
sixth to resign voluntarily or face discharge. All branches have

(01:30:36):
been instructed to identify troops with a diagnosis, history, or
even symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Those who do not seek voluntary separation by the deadline
will be processed for involuntary removal. Now cleared for enforcement
following the U. S. Supreme Court rule on May six,
but still ahead of what happens at the appeals court
where the anyway, this is dystopian.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Shit right here, it is, I think about I think
it was Jordan Klapper who did the interview with a
bunch of trans service members, and there was one woman
who said, it just cracks me up that I'm too
strong for sports but too weak for the military.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Right, right, because they don't want us to exist period, right,
they don't want us to exist, and you know they're
using their power for this, for this, no one's being harmed.
In fact, our country will be far less safe because
there are a lot of experts in place who happen

(01:31:51):
to be trans who will no longer be there. High
ranking officers, high ranking officers, strategists, strategists, people with extreme
expertise that is not going to be immediately, if ever replaceable.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
High government clearance.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Uh. Yeah, that's what they're doing. This is this is
what you voted for. People. Yeah, whoever fucking vote, Not
that anybody not that listens to us. But I'm sorry,
this is this is all part of it, and it's
what we've tried to warn you about. This is what's happening.
It's despicable. It is despicable. And you know, don't ever, dare.

(01:32:26):
I don't want to hear another Republican ever tell me
they support the troops. No, you don't know, you don't, No,
you don't. What you support is prejudice and hatred. What
you support is just ugly, ugly, ugly behavior and racism.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
All I can say to the UH are trans service members.
And I don't say this because of my own person
of feelings like thank you for your service and this
country does not fucking deserve you in the first guy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Damplings, that's true. And the depart Defenses proceeding with discharges
despite the DC Circuit Court of Appeals having not yet
ruled on whether to allow a preliminary injunction issued by
d C District Judge on Arreas in Talbot VUSA to proceed.
They shouldn't be doing anything yet right, it's preemptive. Of

(01:33:21):
course it is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
And that's oh my god, it's a contest to see
who can get the most shoe polish.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
On the breath. Yeah. From the beginning, the policy has
been implemented in a rushed and chaotic manner that is
completely unnecessary and deeply disrespectful to those service members who
deserve at the very least clear information and orderly process
so that they can make informed decisions that will have
such a profound effect on their lives and their families,

(01:33:49):
not to mention their careers, you know, because these are
dishonorable discharges. I'm sure, right, well, they can be. Basically,
if they don't volunteer terarily go it leaves them with
an ugly dischorge. Basically, the separation codes that this guidance
indicates will appear on the records of officers who are

(01:34:10):
involuntarily separated and will create the false impression that they
are some sort of risk to national security. This is
grossly untrue and will needlessly limit their civilian employment opportunities.
Transgender Americans have served openly and honorably in the US

(01:34:32):
Armed Forces for nearly a decade, thou Zen, And that's
the ones we knew about fouls. Correct, thousandins of transgender
troops are currently serving and are fully qualified for the
positions in which they serve. No policy will ever erase

(01:34:53):
transgender Americans contribution to history, we're fighting or military excellence part.
They have a unique fighting spirit and will continue to
defend the Constitution and American values maybe no matter what
lies ahead. Yeah, well probably, And that's right. They don't
deserve us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
And when the revolution comes, you're going to have these
combat ready individuals fighting against Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
I want to see who, right, who? Who the fuck
is gonna fight there? Yeah? These these are patriotic Americans
being removed from service by a draft dodger, thank you,
who never served bone spurs simply because they happen to

(01:35:40):
be trans mm hmm. And I'm sorry. Teaching someone to
kill and then turning.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Your back on him is never a good motherfucking idea.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
And of course, no one in his administration, by the way,
can tell you why they're doing this, because or even
what they're of course there is this is hatred, pure
and simple, you know, And if they can do it
to trans people, they can do it to any one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Just just you know, you're too black, you're two Mexican,
you're too much of a woman, you're too left handed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
And you know that they're going to be plenty assist
gendered women who.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Oh hell, you get.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Caught up in this because they don't even fucking know
how to identify a transperson properly. Right, They're using their
medical records. Like how despicable, Right, this is what our
country is now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, and no shade, how many butch women are in
the in the military, almost all of them. You know,
these motherfucker's going to reap what they sew and they're
going to blame it on someone else.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Well, they're making this country less safe, less secure, and
you know, they are taking service members who have served
honorably and well and saying you don't matter to us.
And they could do it to any one in the military.
You know, if black people are next. I mean, obviously

(01:37:06):
some black people are caught up in this because that's
how it works. But well, you know, or women, yeah,
or Jews. It's just as arbitrary. People pick a thing.
We ain't bothered nobody with nothing. It's all lies. They
can't point to actual instances of of who we whom

(01:37:30):
we have harmed. They can only you know, we can
point to the statistics about how we've been harmedto death
for being trans in a bathroom. Not y'all and nobody
bothering you. And that's this is where we are. It's

(01:37:53):
disgusting and disgraceful. But you know this is and you know,
and and if you are a fucking Republican and you
call yourself a patriot, shame on you. No, you're not.
You're not. You're not. We knew you weren't before, but
now we really know you're not. If you support this
kind of garbage, that is not You fought for the
freedom for these people to fight and be treated with dignity.

(01:38:17):
And if you don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
You got these motherfuckers like fly in their Trump flag
and then there don't tread on me flag. It's like
this is an invitation to tread hard.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
But okay, nothing means nothing. So, by the way, habeas
corpus is what gives immigrants the rights to challenge their
detention when they face deportation. The Trump administration, of course,
would like to eliminate that. Ah, and that should scare
the fuck out of all of us. I'm not gonna

(01:38:50):
belabor it. I'm not, but they can just point to
anyone and decide they don't belong here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
And it's not just immigrants. It is basically, if you
are illegally detained for any reason, habeas corpus gives you
the right to, you know, have a trial seen by
a judge.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Yep. It. It has only been suspended four times since
the Constitution was first radic correct, that's how unusual it
would be to suspended, right, and Congress was the first
to authorize that suspension in almost all these cases. Right
when we pay attention to rules and shit, and you know,

(01:39:36):
accepting cases of rebellion. Oh, I'm sorry, the Trump administration,
we're an invasion. The public safety may require it. Uh,
we need we need them to not have I'm not
even going to anyway. Yeah, so that's also in the news.
So that's fun. Yeah, Pope Leo, Uh do we say

(01:39:59):
the pope? Last week?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
We did mention that we did.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
The Francis kicked Yeah, okay, so we have an American
born pope for the first time ever. He chose to
name Leo. All of a sudden, Catholics everywhere can respect
a chosen name. Imagine that we have a black pope,
and yes, and if we look at his lineage, it
is not pure white. And it didn't take but days

(01:40:25):
for him to say that marriage is, of course between
a man and a woman. Yep. I was just like
if you expected the pope not to be Catholic, my
queer brothers and sisters who still hold onto the vestiges
of that fucked up religion, get sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Yeah, he was saying some good shit, but like I said,
I was skeptical as fuck my side.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
I has always been twenty twenty. You know what I
have said and I will continue to say until I'm dead.
I didn't abandon my religion. They abandoned me by saying
I don't exist, not in my queerness and certainly not
in my transness, even though they know I do. And
when they admit that I do, they say the only

(01:41:09):
way for me to exist purely and have access to
their God would be through celibacy. So fuck that noise,
Too late, too late, But you know, nobody should be surprised.
He is more liberal than what I expected. He was

(01:41:32):
kind of like Francis's ideal next pope, And you know,
for all that, I guess, but you know he said,
the family has founded on the stable union between a
man and a woman. Yeah, okay, how often do you
see that, jack ass?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
So like seven people can get married?

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Yeah, well you know when.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Uh anyway, I mean, you know eight if you conclude us.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Taken together with his assertion that the unborn and elderly
enjoyed dignity as God's creatures, he offered continuity to Catholics
following the death of his predecessor. Uh huh. This was
his first meeting with the Vatican Diplomatic Corps. He's being
he's been saying, he's been lobbing shit at Trump, which

(01:42:21):
is that's the good part, right, And you know, here's
the thing about my religion. While France has never sought
to change church doctrine defining marriage as a union between
a man and a woman, or abandoned the church's position
that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered at the t dance
that is the Vatican, he did reach out to LGBTQ

(01:42:45):
plus Catholics and encourage their inclusion in the life of
the Church. And he said, who am I to judge?
And everybody hung so many hats on that one statement.
You know, this jackass has bemoaned the homosexual lifestyle in
the past. He said Western mass media is extraordinarily effective

(01:43:08):
in fostering within the general public enormous sympathy for beliefs
and practices that are at odds with the Gospel. But
here's a hint, people, No, they're not right anyway. He
pointed to how alternative families comprised of same sex partners
and their adopted children are so benignly and they're not
always adopted either, and sympathetically portrayed in television programs and

(01:43:35):
cinema today. Fuck right, you know, I mean, I just
I figured it out a long time ago, that you know,
and it was my therapist, God bless him, who went
you Catholics are crazy. You do know that some of us, actually,

(01:43:56):
some of there are religious people in the world who
actually consider their beliefs, who actually do try to, I
don't know, consider social justice for everyone, not just raise
that they deem worthy. And y'all think religion is a
cafeteria because that's what we were taught. We were taught that,
of course you use birth control, you just wink and

(01:44:18):
nod and keep going. Right, did the church's position on it? Then?
Fucker matter. They are not the ones who are going
to raise twelve kids. You are right. Church's position on abortion. Yeah, okay,
that's cute. Really that always depends on just who comes
home pregnant and by whom. That's how Catholics feel abortion. Sorry,
but it is. That's how most Americans feel abortion.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Actually hypocritically.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Yeah, yeah, hypocritically all of it, just all of it.
And it's like, okay, you know, the reticence to include
women et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I just who
is like I don't have time. I don't have time,
and there was no real way to hold on to

(01:45:03):
all that. And you know, I'm a filthy heathen now,
so I don't think. I don't think one of them
would even give me a communion.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
You're not a filthy he then you just showered.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
I'm good with it. I'm so good with because yeah
mm hmmm yeah, clean your own house, gentlemen. And by
the way, New Dude was also noted for covering for
his pedophilic brethren.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
That's one of his his things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
It is. He was good at it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
He was good at it, and that's what they do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
So you know, it didn't take but a week and
some change for that other heel to drop I.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Together heel. I heard that the I you know, I
do my best to respect everyone's beliefs. I really try,
except when you know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Your beliefs are to fuck with me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
They come right up against my existence. Yeah, and you
know you claim a religion and access to God and
then turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
And do the most ungodlike shit ever.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Exactly, none of that is christ Like. None of it.
Christians say shit about queer and trans people.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
And Xander Moritz, who were a big fan of We
talked about him when he gave his curly hair graduation
speech in response that don't say gay. He's been doing
a series of debates with conservatives and really he broke
it down to this one ship and he was like,
the homosexuality and quote unquote sodomy that everyone refers to

(01:47:03):
in the Bible does not refer to a loving, stable,
queer relationship. There is no mention of that, any mention
in the Bible. Is violent, is non consensual, is pedophilic?

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Is you know?

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
It has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about.
So you're arguing two different things and that you're rendering
your entire argument invalid.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Even bring ry and you like this when we assume
that the Bible is sacricanct right, which version right? Which edit?
Are you hanging your hat on right? Because, by the way,
the Catholic Bible doesn't look like the Protestant Bible all that.
I mean, there's overlap, but not all of it. We

(01:47:47):
have bookshel don't have right, and we're not supposed to
read it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
There is only one thing that all religions have in common.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
One they say this, but go ahead, no, I okay, yeah,
gold the Golden Rule. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
That is the only thing that all religions have in common.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Even if they don't live it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Well, yeah, but I'm just saying like that is the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
I mean, I've seen that post. I haven't challenged it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
No, I look in different translations from like Buddhism to
like ancient Sumerian to fucking yeah, it's the only.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
And today's American Christians, especially the Evangelicals, could not be
further from that if they tried harder right than they
already are. They've bastardized their own religion and they follow
the like this is some revelations ship like the mark

(01:48:47):
of the Beast on that they'll wear it on their foreheads.
And then you look at all these maga jackasses with
their red hats on. It's like if ever, like I
never understood how any of that might actually come about
until now. And there's your Antichrist. And if you were
were if you were wondering how people of faith would
wind up following someone who is the antithesis of everything

(01:49:11):
you were raised to believe, take a look in the mirror,
because you're doing it. M hm, Hello, there's some omen
three shit. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I'm lay tic this
next one. Because you have feelings and rightly so so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
So recently, like in the past week or so, artist
Thomas J. Price erected a statue in Times Square of
representing a black woman. I see it, and there are
so many feelings I know, and it's basically what this

(01:49:54):
has done, and this most likely is the point, is
it has revealed people's true feelings about black women.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Oh yeah, like I've.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Seen black women go this doesn't represent me. I've seen
like the most racist shit from white people. Like there's
all kinds of like photoshops of like her with seventeen kids,
or a bucket of chicken and some watermelon. Oh yeah,
oh yeah. If you go to Times Square, you'll see,

(01:50:29):
like I was reading in this article, how like there's
a black woman who's getting her picture taken, like standing
in front of the statue, like mimicking the statue stands
just standing up like hands on hips. And then on
the other side a white man like shaking his ass
and grabbing his ass and getting a picture taken like that.

(01:50:50):
And it's like it's just insane. And you know, I said,
this is like people are acting like this is meant
to be a representation of all black women. Now it

(01:51:11):
is a depiction of a singular black woman. You know,
it's not meant to it. Challenge is so much right,
And it's the fact that you know, the woman has
like an average American arguably body type. She's wearing braids,

(01:51:31):
she's wearing a T shirt, she's wearing jeans, she's not
like looking at she's like her gaze is not directed
really anywhere. It's not really focused. She's just standing there,
She's just looking. She's just being.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
And that, you know, I want to move right on
to doctor Gregory King and the piece that he wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yes, my friend Gregory King, he wrote an article and
it gets to the heart in.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
The first paragraph. There she stands, tall, unmoved, magnificent, a
black woman cast in bronze, hands on hips, eyes forward,
unbothered by your projections. Not seductive, not maternal, not apologizing,

(01:52:26):
just there, uncompromising, undeniable and whole. And America can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Network It's just a black woman existing, and it elicits
all of the feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Right. The statue commands times square, not with a smirk
or a sachet, but with stillness, with audacity, and that,
more than anything, has shaken the table because what makes
America flinch is not violence or vulgarity. It's a black

(01:53:05):
woman who refuses to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Perform that part. Yeah, like so many people, and I'm
thinking of white people, but it ain't just white people.
Like their concept of what a black woman is is
primarily influenced by like images they've seen, you know, in media,

(01:53:31):
but very rarely by people that they actually know. Like
I know this chick. I've worked with her, I'm going
to school with her.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
I may have to read every word he wrote. This
isn't a monument to trauma. It's not an ode to
resilience wrapped in pain. It's not a statue of Harriet
tubmanning her way to a freedom America still with holds. No,

(01:54:00):
this black woman is simply being braids down her back,
not seeking approval, not inviting consumption. Is that what makes
her dangerous? This country has always demanded that black women
shrink to fit its comfort. The strong black woman praised

(01:54:24):
so long as she never rests, the angry black woman
feared because she might just be righteously pissed, the quiet
black woman ideal until she dare speak. But a statue
that does none of that. A black woman elevated and enlarged,

(01:54:44):
not to please, but to exist. Cue the outrage.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
M hm oh yeah, people like, oh, why she gotta
be angry? Where do you see that? M Oh why
she got to be like all up in your face?
Where do you see that? Mmm? So many people's like
internal shit and this is black people too, are being
projected onto the statue. I straight up said, perhaps these

(01:55:09):
feelings are best shared with a therapist, no shade, because
there is some shit in you that is coming out.
It's really interesting. Oh yeah, and I can't help the
thing that that is the point of this piece.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
America hates this statue because it reflects a truth it
cannot control. Black women are not here to please you.
They are not going to soften their edges so you
can feel safe. They are not shrinking for your approval.

(01:55:48):
They are not here to decorate your delusions. They are
here to take up space, period and yes, even public
spaces adorned in bronze. This is the monument. Y'all never
wanted a statue that won't bend, won't beg and sure

(01:56:13):
as hell won't surrender, So cry about it, mocket meme it.
But she's still standing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Yep, you were gonna post uh doctor Gregory King's article
in the note let's please, I'm gonna let him know
we're doing it. Yes, let's do that, because it's brilliant.
He got right to the point of everything I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Concisely.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
It's insane people's feelings. It's like, it's just a woman,
a black woman, existing and it fucked them all up. Yeah,
And it's like, because you don't want to fuck her,
it's not worth existing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Because she's not. More to the point, the idea that
she don't care that you don't to.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Her, that part because she's not a size two. There's
a problem, you know. Someone said, oh, she's like the
only thing missing is like her eighteen kids and nineteen
baby daddies. Where where's that coming from? Where she's literally

(01:57:24):
standing there?

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Uh huh, that's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Like I really really hope that this was the point
because it's bringing out some demons and some people and
as much as I hate it, I love it, like
get it all out, purge that shit. Yeah yeah, and
again it is black people too. I've seen some wild

(01:57:48):
shit from black people, and it's like, that's why I
was like, damn, y'all need to talk to a therapist,
because there is some self hate in you that is
coming out. Yep, my proud sister.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
But the best, the best, the best comment this is
I'm saying this on LinkedIn because uh I posted Gregory's
article was on LinkedIn and this one individual white man
he was like, this feels like a dumbing down of
black people.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry what And people were like, who.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
The fuck are you to even and he was like,
I'm sorry. I am quite familiar with black culture and
I funded so much of it and I wanted there
we go. I wanted to say, thank you, oh great negrologist,
but I did not good because that's what it's given.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
You know that fragility intimately, you know that fragility.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Thank you, oh great negrologists.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
I mean bowing down from on high? How often have
we touched on it and upset the white people around us? Oh?
My god, I can do it. It's not hard.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
It's really not hard. You don't have to scratch hard
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
And dare I say, you know there's a larger conversation
to be had about womanhood. Mm hmm. You know there
are parts to this I can relate to because I'm
not apologizing to anybody exactly, and come across people who

(01:59:36):
don't know what the fuck to do with me, and
I'm good with it. I'm okay with that. I will
leave you in your discomfort and walk the fuck away
because I don't care. I'm too old to care. Been
through too much, been seen too much, And that's kind

(01:59:57):
of what's depicted there, and it hit people are losing
their fucking minds.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
And that's the beautiful thing about that statue. All the
shit that's being said that woman.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
The neutrality doesn't give right, but it's not it's a
defiance they can't address. And that's part of the problem,
because it's the defiance of existence. It's the audacity to
exist and yeah, and take up space, regardless of your opinion.

(02:00:32):
And that is what is on full display. I mean,
I've said, you want to sum up current events, it
is that you know, we had to know that the
death knell of the patriarchy would be very loud and
very obtrusive and very invasive and dangerous. I still think

(02:00:54):
it's the last through us. I still think we've raised
generations of people who care more than this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
But the problem is when cowards go down, they try
to take as many motherfuckers as they came with them.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Well, yeah, I mean this has been quite a study,
has it not. Yeah. Yeah, it broke them, broke them,
broke then further anyway, broke them, Yeah, more and and
but again, you don't have to poke hard or far, nope,

(02:01:29):
to do so. And that's the thing. The thing that
I'm getting less and less tolerant of is all right,
y'all won everything, you seem to be in control of everything,
and yet you're still completely fucking miserable. You're still trying
to own us you're still Yeah, perhaps the problem you're

(02:01:50):
you're just miserable and like your billionaire overlords, you will
never be happy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
Right, Perhaps the problem is actually you, it's actually maybe
if you look inward for five seconds, you might I
already lost you.

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
Yeah, this might be a more peaceful world if you. Yep,
and they'd rather whatever. Yeah, love that that exists, truly, truly, truly, truly.
It makes me want to go to Times Square for
Realistic to hang out. Mm hmmm, sit with her for

(02:02:28):
a while. But I don't want to watch the people
peopling like I don't. I don't want to even see
that part because I will, you know, think even less
of humanity?

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Is that even I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
I'm afraid it might be, Like do I really want
to find out?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
I mean, it is always possible, because again, no matter
how much you scrape the bottom of the barrel, you
can always lift that motherfucker up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Yeah. I think that we should take another break. Ah huh,
and we can come back and cleanse our palate. Yes,
I'm gonna go scrub line right now, okay, and yeah,
try to come back with a new attitude. We'll be
right back and we're back.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
So so where do you want to start? Oh, well,
let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
We've been in we Hacks. Yeah. The last time we
talked about Hacks, it hadn't started yet, or we hadn't
watched it yet.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Well, we've been watching it, and I think we're caught up.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
And there's only one more episode left.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
I know, And there was the one we didn't like.
But I think we're supposed to not like that. Yeah,
I think it was designed to not like it. Yeah,
but I'm I'm I can't wait for the last one.
I love that show. I love that Gene Smart is
having this moment. I really like the show.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
It's so well done. And the season goes by too fast.
I'm sorry they got to stop doing two episodes at
a time because it makes.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
The ship go by too quick?

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
Were they those of some weeks were maybe? But like
the first week was, and then it was like then
this past week it was too Well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
I just figured we hadn't looked But okay, maybe you're right.
I don't know. Yeah, anyway, and we also did we
we finished the Righteous Gemstones. We did, So that's that
was the series finale.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
Yes, it's over because it couldn't get any dumber, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
But the absurdity was at least a little part of it. Yeah,
I mean it was.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
It's a funny show. I laughed out loud many times
with Hacks.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
I have become so jaded when it comes to comedy
because I've like been studying stand up since I was
like ten, so same actually, right, So like I'll watch
something and it will be funny, and I'll just go
in my head that was funny, and I'll mean it
like that was funny. But for me to actually like

(02:05:23):
open my mouth and wahaha, that shit is funny.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Exactly, And that's I'm sorry, that should be at least
part of it, right, That's what. There are comedians who
I'm not going to name them, but who you know,
I cannot stand because I've yet to crack a smile,
right and okay, clearly in certain intellectual circles, I guess

(02:05:47):
you have an audience, but I can't imagine who it is, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
And some people are comedians just because they.

Speaker 1 (02:05:53):
Say so, yeah, yeah, like you are.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
An orator, you are a good speaker. Well, right, so
that who was occasionally funny?

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Now I know who you're talking about you knew who
I was talking about. Yeah, huh, yeah, but I know
who you're referencing, and yeah, they're not they They are
not a comedian, but they have a lot of good
shit to say.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Right, and I will always listen to them say it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
But I think I don't know. I don't know who
decided to kind of couch it as stand up because
it isn't and it's also not we're talking about a look.
It's also not damn it. Before I was still taking
to Tara, but we're talking about a loake and brilliant

(02:06:46):
stuff to say. It's not comedy. Well, if it is
occasionally humorous, if you couch.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
It in comedy, it's more accessible to more people, I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
But it's not Nanette. It is not groundbreaking humor. I mean,
Hannah Gadsby did something brilliant and singular with Nanette in
that she was so fucking funny and so goddamn reel
at the same time several people had to take several
seats and figure out what they just watched. I still

(02:07:19):
adore that piece. It should be studied forever.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
Yeah, same with a Gerrod Carmichael in a Rathaniel.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
I liked Rathaniel very much. Yeah, that's the best work
I think he's ever done. He's got a new special
coming out soon and wee we'll watch it. But he
was getting all my nerves with his show, the reality show.
Uh huh. But but Rothaniel was good work, really good work,
and real and really real and different, you know, different

(02:07:50):
again from what from what Nanette was.

Speaker 2 (02:07:54):
But above all funny funny. It was funny, like you
can be thought poking, yeah, but you've got to be
funny to call yourself a comedian.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
And that because and that was what was like Hannah
told you what the craft is and what she was doing,
and that's part of what was so brilliant about the
whole thing, you know, because she actually gave you a
lesson on company while you couldn't help but laugh, and
because you know, and she's like, I'm a funny fucker

(02:08:26):
and she is right. They are. I'm gonna say I
think they I believe, I believe, I believe, So hold on,
that's that's let's check that, okay, because I God knows,
I don't want to mess that up.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Uh, gender queer and use they then pronouns thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
They are incredibly funny.

Speaker 2 (02:08:54):
Yes and always will be Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
Yeah, Aluk is thought provoking, yes, and brilliant and brilliant
and so much because I said to.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Them on Instagram, I was like, you look amazing. For
three hundred that comes out of their mouth is so wise.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
There's a lot of wisdom there and it's and it's
good stuff. I occasionally I chuckle, I can't, but I
love the message. It's just I don't see it as
stand up at all. It's yeah, I just don't and
that's not I don't know. I would pay money not

(02:09:33):
to to hear yes, to hear them speak yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
But I'm not saying I'm going to a comedy show.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
No. And I guess that was the problem because that
one that was sort of fashioned as if it has
a special that was not funny. It was thought provoking.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
I'm glad I saw it. Yeah, I probably will watch
it against some point.

Speaker 1 (02:09:56):
But I mean, you know, Nanette was so disarming because
it was unexpected.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
There was nothing else like it has never been.

Speaker 1 (02:10:07):
Again, right, b It was so raw and so honest,
and you can't deny it was funny. Right That you
know is a height we seldom reached with comedy to
be that articulate, to not punch down in any way

(02:10:29):
Dave Chappelle, and to educate and to walk away with
one's dignity and to explain kind of how it has
interfered with the craft. And I'm not going to do
that anymore. Brilliant. It did the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
I was having this conversation yesterday. I was talking to
my friend while I was doing hard work, and I
was saying, how like, you know, you can make anything funny,
You can joke about anything, but it has to be funny.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
And not mean. Right, because we were talking about less
you're punching up because we were talking.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
About Dave Chappelle was in the conversation, Andrew dice Clay
was in the conversation, and we were saying, how like
people were saying, like with Andrew Dyce Clay, oh, you know,
back in the day you could have you could make
jokes and no one got offended. And I was like, no,
that's bullshit. I was offended then, but I didn't have

(02:11:30):
social media to run and say anything about like it
wasn't funny, it was just mean. And if you look
out in the crowd, it's a bunch of straight white
dudes laughing their ass.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Right, it was their humor. It was clearly directed at them. Right.
It was a time when that was a hell of
a lot more. Okay, you know, which is why all
the backlash now, by the way, because they missed those times.
I was he as mean and intentionally mean as Dave
Chappelle has been with the trans community, because I don't

(02:12:03):
feel like he was. I mean, it wasn't funny. I'm
going to say no, only because I never saw him
triple down.

Speaker 2 (02:12:11):
Well that's what That's what I'm saying. Like when I
was actually just watching a docu series about Andrew dice Clay,
like when he started receiving backlash because the Andrew dice
Clay persona was a character that this person was putting on.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
Was a character, yes, first of all, yes, and he
that I'm not defending, right, it got bigger than him, yes,
very much, And so like he for a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
Tried to back well yeah, he tried to back away
from it, and like fucked his whole shit up because
he wasn't trying to be like the face of white racism.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
In no, he wasn't. And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:48):
But at the same time. As I said, it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:50):
Was capitalizing on it, right, And as.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
To my friend, I was like, those jokes didn't come
out of the ether. He wrote that shit, So let's
not get too sympathetic. But my point being he did
like say, okay, I will stop, unlike Dave Chappelle.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Has tripled down year old trans people punching down at us,
causing us to be less safe.

Speaker 2 (02:13:11):
When you tell a four year old stop banging on
the table, what do they do?

Speaker 1 (02:13:14):
They bang harder, unapologetically, doesn't care, right, doesn't care. That
is not funny. No, and not only that, it's not comedy, right,
And that's the thing. It could have at least been funny,
like punching down at trans people now.

Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
Means like, okay, there's insult comics like Joan Rivers for instance. Funny, problematic, problematic.

Speaker 1 (02:13:42):
Is fun, but even have a career right now.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
This was also our conversation because we were saying, like,
if Joan was still alive, she would have gotten canceled
the next year any goddamn way.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
I'm maybe, I mean, she was of a certain time.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
But she was conc instantly funny. She said some horrible
shit and I laughed, my ass off and felt bad about.

Speaker 1 (02:14:07):
And I you know, and I went to see her live.
Absolutely she was She was funny, right, legendarily funny.

Speaker 2 (02:14:16):
But and that's the thing when you can get the
people that you are saying horrible shit about to laugh
at what you're saying, that is talent.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
But and that's the thing. Nobody could take over and
start and where she left off it wasn't possible, right,
And you're going to be held to a different standard, right.
She crafted that ship over a long time as one
of the very first women to you know, take those

(02:14:45):
stages and make that money and do what she did.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
And she was definitely not the inspiration for Jene Smart's
character and Hacks, I don't care what you say.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
And you know, people that had met her, you know,
it was interesting because I mean we've talked about this, like,
I believe Soupy said Joan Rivers was Showbis crazy, right, right.
So the game that Kathy would play with Suppy all
the time was are they Sopy Sale crazy? Yeah? Are
they crazy crazy? Or are they Showbis crazy? Right? Because

(02:15:19):
it's different, it is different, And you know he said, no,
she was showbiz crazy. You know, she did what she
did and was often the way she was because she
thought she had to be to gain respect in the
industry and be taken seriously. Yeah, and yeah, she came
off as a crazy, nasty bitch to passers by, but

(02:15:43):
also deeply devoted to an age charity. You know, God's
love we deliver. You know, there was a whole nother
side to that human She was in no way one dimensional, right,
You just she just wasn't one to be fucked with, right,
And at a time when everyone was trying to suck,
there was no roadmap, not really. I mean, you know,

(02:16:06):
there was Bell Bar, there was Tony Fields, there was
you know, Sophie Tucker. They existed, but they weren't trying
to like damn where they feel and step into.

Speaker 2 (02:16:16):
A man's world. I'm doing air quotes like she was trying.
Ever at the level she did, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
And you know, right and differently, I mean she was
doing stand up and you know, like they were funny
and singing and entertaining and you know, body and there
was a whole stick involved. Yeah, with all of them
that wasn't Joan Rivers. Joan was prime. It was Joan's business.

(02:16:47):
I'm going to say she was the first woman to
do it, to just get out there with a microphone
and do stand.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
Up Joan's business acumen like ruffle the men's feathers and
that's absolutely where she had to like get her armor up.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Yeah, and I mean Phyllis Diller was also a contemporary,
but again different, very different, very self effacing in which
so was Jane Rivers and a lot of her early stuff.
I remember liking them both, and I also remember loving
Lucille Ball at the same time.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
It was a fucking boss.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Who was their predecessor, you know, in terms of comedy,
but not a stand up a funny, funny broad who
had a deep understanding of the business that made it
work for her the first, right, the first and star
trek Yep, thank thank her.

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
Did you ever did you see that video clip of her?
I believe she. I think it was Dick Caviott, And
Dick Caviot was in the audience with like audience members
who had questions for her, and he kept like putting
his hand on them in every five seconds. She's like,
take your hands off of the take your hands off her,
take your put your hand, take your hand like she

(02:17:58):
wasn't letting him get away with And I love that.
I love that well.

Speaker 1 (02:18:03):
And and that's who I think she was, and I
adored her, you know. And how many books do we
have and how many you know homages? My very first
Barbie is Lucy Yep. Yeah, obviously as an adult, but
anyway that you know that those are the women who

(02:18:26):
reminded me of the women that I grew up around.
Many of them deeply flawed, but funny, and they took
care of business and they kept it pushing and funny.
That laughter was what they had. You know, My mother,

(02:18:46):
who did not hang out in bars ever ever, had
several friends who were barmaids and they were funny fuckers.
Oh my god, I love them. I adored those women,
and I learned so much from them, and they all
loved me like we always just connected, and there was

(02:19:08):
that brand of survival and and I want to say,
you know, not not conforming to the norm and actually
not even having a place in the norm, but surviving
right and having fun along the way and keeping everyone

(02:19:32):
around them laughing. And isn't that the legends that we
know personally? Isn't that what they do? We keep laughing
because what else are we going to do that part?
You know? And making each other laugh is hell of fun.

(02:19:53):
Yeah it is, you know, because like it is, it is.
It's one of my favorite things to do. When you
can make a comedian you respect laughed, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
Yeah, it is fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Yeah, And Hacks is an amalgam but yeah, it's so
so much. It was totally John Rivers. But it's insightful
and it's She's a complicated, flawed character, and you know
that was that was the show biz crazy I think

(02:20:30):
of Joan Rivers is no matter how busy, no matter
how wealthy, no matter how it was never enough. And
she thought it was all going to go right tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
Oh yeah, she couldn't stand to have like a free
space in her calendar.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
And that last special about her, I can't remember what
it was called, was really pretty raw and good and
a good picture of who she was. And I think
it captured that, yeah that you know, this was not
a one diventional person and this was not someone who

(02:21:03):
was just mean. This is somebody who you know, blazed
a trail for a lot of people, opened a lot
of doors that were never opened before. So you gotta
you gotta weigh that m and yeah, hecks just references.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
That love that show.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
And it's going to be overne for me, I know,
well for forever or this season, for the season. I
think it's just the season. Yeah, and Jeane Sports going
to Broadway. Yeah, in what I Forget.

Speaker 2 (02:21:36):
It's going to be a one woman's show called Call
Me Izzy, a chronicle of one woman's quest for freedom
in a world that has always.

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Held her back. Mm hmm at Broadway Studio fifty four.
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:21:52):
Yeah, that could be really interesting. Yeah. I don't know
what this other thing is of which you speak.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
Oh yeah, So, because I've been watching the Drag Race
All Stars Season ten, which is up now, and it's they've.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
Made it's not season forty three.

Speaker 2 (02:22:13):
Well, it's the flagship season is. The next season is
going to be eighteen. They just finished season seventeen, okay,
and then they have their All Stars which we're in now,
which is All Stars ten.

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:22:27):
Yeah, and that's not counting all the other.

Speaker 1 (02:22:30):
It feels like there's been more right and there's.

Speaker 2 (02:22:32):
Philippines, Mexico, Got Brussels and all that bullshit. Gotcha anyway?

Speaker 1 (02:22:36):
Okay, So season ten let's ye, they dinner.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
They switched it up and they're doing I think it's
sixteen queens and they're doing it bracket style like it's
sports and shit. So each bracket is a separate set
of queens and they each get three episodes, and then
the top three from each bracket they move on, and
then finally it's the last nine queens and then they

(02:23:01):
compete until someone wins. It's actually exciting so far, like
I've been enjoying the queens that were on next. I'm
not looking forward to the next bracket because it's queens
that I don't like, like fucking Mistress Isabelle Brooks. I mean,
she's gonna be a shady bitch for no goddamn reason.
I'm like, oh, here comes the bullshit. But then we're

(02:23:21):
getting to like ginger men just coming back, and other
queens that I like. It's it's I'm actually interested in
Drag Race again because I didn't watch the last season,
the last regular season because I did not care. I
did not care, and the last season of All Stars
was like meh as fuck. So I'm actually like, yay,

(02:23:45):
I care, and I.

Speaker 1 (02:23:46):
You know, I still get hung up on the whole
the competition of it all.

Speaker 2 (02:23:51):
It's not like it was when you were watching it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:53):
It doesn't. I just don't love that aspect.

Speaker 2 (02:23:57):
Like you know, it's really more about the talent now, right,
Like you know, it's it's fun. And again, I always
watch it for the creativity because because I'm an artist
and that's really what it's about for me.

Speaker 1 (02:24:10):
Yeah, I just wish it didn't have to be a competition,
I know, But that's how I feel about most of
life because you know, truly, who are we competing with?
But you know that's existential, and so I'm only competing
with me, right and that's enough.

Speaker 2 (02:24:29):
Well, those are the ones that win well.

Speaker 1 (02:24:32):
And that's true. I mean it's true.

Speaker 2 (02:24:34):
But like, for instance, the last main season I watched
was when Sasha Kobe won and she what none of
these bitches her competition. She just came in. She was like,
I want to do I want to not fall on
my face. I want to make sure that you know,
I look good to me when I watch this back.
I want to not be embarrassed. And you know, I'll

(02:24:56):
see how long I stay on. And you know, everyone
but her was surprised when she wants.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
Yeah or rather she was the only one. One of
these days, I want a Kiki with somebody in New
York who knew ru back in the day, and I
want them to tell me she is not he is
not the shallow human. I think I see, because maybe

(02:25:25):
it would, I don't know, but I don't think you'll
find that. Yeah, so much just rings hollow. Yeah even yeah,
And I'm like, and so many of the stories to
me are heartbreaking. You know that the girls tell about
the contracts and the bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
Not being able to remember Jinks Monsoon's name.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
Oh you're kidding. Oh yeah. At drag Con this was
either do you not I remember Jenks Monson?

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
This was like I think it was right after Jinks
one Queen of All Queens for the All Winners season,
or it was just before and it was DragCon and
she was talking about all the queens and she was like,
including this one here, what's what's your name? And she's like, Jinks,
I just won the show. Yeah, it was it was
all I just won the show. She's like, yes, yeah, Now,

(02:26:16):
to be fair, there's like eighty three eleven of them now,
but still it's fucking Jenks.

Speaker 1 (02:26:20):
But you know, and maybe there's a point to it.
I don't know. I just I guess. I'm still hung
up on what the hell was such a j and
the bean or whatever the queen, I'm still there.

Speaker 2 (02:26:37):
I mean, she had all the depth and acting skills
of a bean, So I understand.

Speaker 1 (02:26:42):
How you made that.

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
Yeah, couldn't convince me she was falling if I threw
the bitch down the steps myself, I.

Speaker 1 (02:26:50):
Know, I know, and like, I guess, why do I care?
But I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
And she'd be trying to act even more on drag
Race now. I think you're trying to rack up them
sad credits or something. So anyway, I'm loving this season
of All Stars and I'm excited to see where it goes.
And speaking of where things are going, I think we
need to go into some podcast business.

Speaker 1 (02:27:20):
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