October 9, 2025 • 47 mins
Tim Jones - Confesses to Killing his Five Children Full Length Police Interrogation
Tim Jones confesses to killing his five children in interview audio played during trial
In an audio recording of a police interview played during the trial of Tim Jones contains his confession of killing his five children.
LEXINGTON COUNTY, S.C. (WIS) - After more than three weeks of testimony, a jury has reached a verdict in the trial of Timothy Jones, Jr., a Lexington County man accused of murdering his five children in 2014.
The jury concluded that Jones has been found guilty on all five counts of murder in the deaths of his children.
The second phase of the proceedings is the sentencing phase and that will begin at 8:45 a.m. on Thursday. Because the state is seeking the death penalty, the jury is now responsible for determining his punishment.
The jury had four options for their verdict: guilty, guilty but mentally ill, not guilty by reason of insanity, or not guilty. Jones pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.
A grand jury indicted Jones, Jr. in 2014 on five counts of murder in the deaths of his children – Mera, 8; Elias, 7; Nahtahn, 6; Gabriel, 2; and Abigail, 1. For Mera, Elias, Gabriel, and Abigail, the indictments state the children were killed “by means of strangulation and/or other violent means or instruments.”
The bodies of the children were found in garbage bags off of a dirt road in Alabama. Jones, Jr. led authorities to the bodies after being arrested in Mississippi. Jones, who appeared to be under the influence at the time of his arrest, was questioned at the checkpoint by a Smith County, Miss. deputy about an odor of chemicals coming from his vehicle. After further investigation, the deputy found what appeared to be chemicals used to make meth and a street drug known as “Spice.” Investigators also said his Cadillac Escalade was blood-soaked and “smelled of death.”
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We did advise you of your your rights.
Is that correct? Yes, Sir.
All right. Can you just state your name?
Tim Jones all. Right.
What's your date of birth? 28 One.
All right. And you agreed to talk to us.
Yeah, we was talking but they forgot to push the record
button, so this is Part 2. And when we we went towards the
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end, we asked you if we threatened and threatened you
and. Just threatened me no one.
Promised you anything, could youjust please say it out loud?
No, nobody promised me anything.OK, we talked about what
happened with your children. Well, no, I take that back.
You guys did promise me. You guys said let me go give
them a burial and try to help you out.
See what you guys promised. Promised a good burial for your
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children. We talked about when you picked
your children up Thursday, whichwould have been, umm, August
28th, you picked them up from school that day and something
happened that night, Is that correct?
Yes, Sir. All right.
Can can you walk us through whathappened?
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I questioned a ton about four outlets that he blew after a
series of not getting any favorable responses out of them.
I tried to use more harsh measures to just try to get out
of them what was going on, because I didn't know what he
was doing. I seen four destroyed outlets.
Is it for me, him, Was he curious?
I just didn't know what was going on and I was trying to
make sense of it. Working too hard.
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Or maybe it was a combination ofthe electricity.
I know electricity takes electrolytes out of your body.
Something happened. It was out of the ordinary, and
he wouldn't tell me if I would have known it.
I mean, I would have gotten medical help, whatnot, but I
don't know what he did. He didn't tell me.
I didn't see any burn marks on his body so that's why I didn't
rush him to the hospital. So after the fact he he was
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deceased. And then what happened to him?
What? How?
How did he get deceased? What?
What did you do? That after I worked him real
hard because he wouldn't answer me.
And and what? What do you mean by working him
too? I just PT Ed his ass till he
couldn't handle that cracking word but a couple times get
something out of him to tell me what was he doing right, what's
his motive and. When you're saying PT and what,
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what are we talking about? Squats and push ups.
Squats, push ups and how How long were you having them PT?
I'm PT like an hour. Like I said, there's nothing out
of the ordinary those kids woulddo insanity with, and we had fun
doing it. And where did he go from you're
doing this? Where in the house where your
PT? Lives in the living room.
And then I finally got tired of it and sent him to bed.
OK, that's the bed. You're not telling the truth.
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I can't help you. Go to bed, man.
You're wasting everybody's time.And then, and then you you find
out what? Come back and find out that he's
deceased and when I find out he's deceased then the shit hits
the fan and all. How does the shit hit the fan,
Tim? The voices start going off and
then here comes the paranoia. Oh shit, what just happened?
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What, what? What just happened?
This ain't going to go. I can't call my bud.
I got all these voices running through my head now.
And then what happens to him? What did you tell us earlier?
So Natan was was dead. And then what happened?
That followed suit with the other 4.
And how did how did you? Feel that was with my hands.
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With your hands? Can you describe what you mean
by with your hands Around their neck?
Around their neck. Who?
Who is next? I'm just going to put the order
so I don't have to go into too much.
Detail. Just just tell us the order.
Time Mira. He lies.
Wait, wait, wait. Time Eli, Mira, and.
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When did you say this was Tim? What date you told us earlier?
Thursday. I think they were supposed to go
to school Friday and they didn'tgo because, well, they couldn't
go. Yeah.
And you said also that this happened where?
The house can. You tell me what that address
was. 155-B Salt Lake Drive. What county is that in?
(04:10):
Lexington, SC. Lexington, SC.
OK. Where in the house did you say
this happened at? In in the house.
Bedroom. Bedroom the the living room.
OK. What, what did you do earlier?
You you said when you would strangle them.
What would you do with the bodies at that point at?
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That point I was just running onfear and I wasn't thinking any
normal person would have said let me call the police and just
turn myself in. OK.
I took the coward route and started following those voices
in my head which led me down such a nice path I'm on today
and. What?
What did you do then? What?
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Do you mean? With the bodies.
Put them in bags and throw them on the hill.
OK. No, no, no.
When when you're at the house. Oh, load them.
I just load them in the car. Did you put them in the bag at
that time? I.
Don't know, OK. You put them in in the vehicle.
What type of vehicle was that? All.
Right. And what do you do from there?
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I. Start driving out of fear.
Tim, tell us what was your original plan to do with the
bodies, now that we've had a chance to talk about it?
I don't know what my original plan was.
I had so many thoughts going through my mind.
What were some of them? Because you wrote some notes and
you bought, I had a. 100 different thoughts about what I
could do. OK.
I don't want to sit and incriminate myself, but I, I had
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a bunch of different things. I, you know, I've won.
We went over this, but part of your plan was to do the bodies.
I think originally I had tended to go do all that stuff that I
wrote down on the paper, but that's why bring myself to it,
right? Which I what was it to do?
Stuff to get rid of. The courts.
Do you remember what Step 1 was like?
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Dissolve them or something like that.
I was going to cut them up and. You're going to I.
Was going to do all kinds. Of did you write down that you
were going to burn the bodies? I think I was going to burn
them, yeah. And you're going going to what
was Step 2? Boil them or I forget what it
was. That's what I'm trying to tell
you. I don't remember everything.
Yeah, yeah. Did you write that you were
going to wrote stuff? Down that it was in the context
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of that time, but all right. Was it something that you were
going to cut the bodies up? So I could bring myself to do
yes all. Right, let's let's take a look
all. Right, Tim, while he's looking
that up, I also want to clarify when, when you last saw
Christine? Christina.
Christina, your next door neighbor.
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Oh, when I last saw, when I lastsaw, the kids were actually
still around. She said she spoke to you on the
second. She talked to me.
She. Talked to you on the.
Last when I last seen her. And the children?
So she talked to you on the phone, OK.
And the children. Were just lied and I lied to her
before they give you. OK.
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OK, I want to go through this real quick with you.
We don't have to spend a lot of time on this, but we went over
this. What?
What is day one? Burnout bodies.
What's day 2? Son on bones.
What's day three? MB :) Dissolve, dissolve and
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discard. OK.
So your initial plan was to do these things with with their
bodies? What was one of them?
I told you there's other stuff that just happened to be the one
that's materialized. I had a million bugs going.
Through OK, let's go over this. This is what?
Head of the campground, no bodies and send bodies to
Duster. Small but small.
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Discard by a sanitation plant. OK, so these are some of the
things that were going through your head.
That was that's just a small amount of stuff that was going
through my yes. Did you write this before or
after you killed the children? After, after I wasn't
premeditating this. No, OK, this was not
premeditated. This was a oh shit what just
happened? So you had the bodies in in the
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vehicle. Did you write this in your
house, in the car, or did you write these notes?
That was on the back of a clipboard in that house, I
think. Yeah, I would think that would
be in the house. I'm not good at writing and
driving. OK.
Did you did you do this before or after you put the bodies in
the car? I don't remember.
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OK, I don't, I'm sorry, those details I don't remember.
Now we had also gone through some of what what you went and
purchased and specifically at the at the Walmart.
Do you remember that? Yeah.
All right, let's see if I can find the receipt for that do.
(08:57):
You have a choice. Nicotine What?
What did you purchase at the at the Walmart?
I don't remember which Walmart. This would have been the one in
West Columbia. Receipt.
I don't remember. OK.
Did you buy a saw there? Yeah.
(09:18):
Oh, OK. Did you buy?
Let's go over this. This receipt here.
This receipt is going to be fromGusso Rd. in West Columbia.
All right. And the date here is 93.
(09:40):
So this is this is after becausewhat happened to the children
was on Thursday, is that correct?
That's the 28th. That makes.
Sense now 93. This is on Wednesday so this is
after the weekend. And where have them children
been the whole time? With me.
Where? Driver on the vehicle I think.
Where are they though they're. With me in the car.
(10:02):
All right, they're all in the back.
Yes, OK. Well.
In the middle, not back. So back and Plas the sorry back
and Plas the back where you open.
You told you told me earlier they were.
You had them covered up in some sheets or blankets.
Yeah, I do blankets and I shit load of air freshener.
So you have. You have their bodies.
There you go and and you purchase what?
(10:24):
Walk me through what you're purchasing here.
I. Don't know what it rules all.
Right. A dust mask.
This is actually a Gatorade but oh dust mask.
Some goggles and some hand saws.Some jab saw, it says.
And multi saw. Multi saw What's this here?
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Some muriatic acid. And what's this here?
Like a 5 gallon pail. All right.
Were you purchasing this stuff at that time because you
initially thought you might be able to go through with this?
Partially, and then I couldn't bring myself.
You you just couldn't do it. OK.
So one of the next receipts we kind of talk about is going to
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be several days later. I had these thoughts in my head
to try to do this and then I couldn't bring myself to do it,
OK? Now we go to the following day.
This is going to be the 4th. This is at the Dollar General
Store and we're still in Orangeburg, SC.
What do you purchase there that we spoke about?
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Excuse. Me.
What's this here? Some bad trash bags.
Trash bags. Why'd you buy those trash bags?
To do what? Now?
Put the bodies. Throw some of my own trash out
too. OK, I had a lot of stuff in the
big voucher trying to throw out.Now you said you were, you're
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just driving around. You have the bodies in the car
and where you going at that time.
Nowhere. I guess because in my mind I'm
just running. I have nowhere to go.
Because you didn't plan this. I didn't plan this.
No, it's just like a spontaneous.
This is spontaneous and I just fucked up my whole life.
OK. One bad incident and I'm not
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following through with what I should have and I.
Now we we spent some time reallytrying to figure out where where
your children are at. What?
What do? We kind of come up with.
Looking somewhere on Route 10 between I think Greenville and
Campbell. Let's go back to September 5th,
Friday night. What?
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What did you tell us happened Friday night?
September 5th. That was that was when you said
your vehicle got stuck. Yeah.
Tell us about that. I pulled off to the side at
somebody's house to try to collect myself and see where I
was at. Yeah.
And in the process of pulling back onto the road, I got stuck
in a ditch. Stuck and what happened?
The tow truck had come on. He called the wrecker.
(13:02):
All right. You had any law enforcement
contact that night? A law enforcement just showed up
on his own. He was patrolling him.
OK. Can you describe what he looked
like? Probably about maybe 5-10 shaved
hair, Caucasian male. OK.
When you have contact with this officer, where are your
children? In the car.
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OK, they're dead in the car. Yes, Sir.
OK. And they're still where you set
them? Yes, Sir.
What, what's going on in that car since they've been sitting
for so long? I mean this.
You kill them on Thursday. No, they weren't sitting there
some of the time. I took a couple days and just
stayed home. OK.
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Did you leave them in the vehicle?
Or were they in the house at that time?
I think they were in the vehicleand I was just sitting there.
Not not what you think we. Want to believe that was that
believed that they were in a vehicle but you're.
Talking about the weekend it happened.
Yes. And I was just sitting there
thinking, oh God, what am I going to do?
OK, well does. That make sense?
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Yes, it it makes sense does. This tie this together because
that's what I'm trying to tell you what, Sure.
So all I'm saying from that Thursday though, the 28th and
you say after all this happens, you place their bodies in the
vehicle, Yes. Between then and the time you
come with in contact with the officer and that would be Friday
on September 5th. So we have over a week's time
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that has passed by. Your children are still still in
the vehicle, is that correct? What date?
Friday when you you have. Contact the next Saturday was
yeah. OK.
So they're in the vehicle the whole time.
What's kind of happening in the vehicle as far as how does it
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smell in there? Stinks like shit.
What's happening with the children you were telling me
before? I just the blood was probably
just coming out of their bodies because I just left them in
there and I believe that well, as far as I know, I think when
your body dies, you blood and water separate.
I think that's now we. We had asked because you
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purchased the saws and everything.
Had you used any of the saws on your children?
I tried to start on the time andI couldn't bring myself to do.
It OK and we'll get to we'll getto where that happens.
Had you tried with any of the other children?
No. It was kind of the whole center
of this thing. He's what kind of started this
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out. He.
Triggered us all. If if he would have told you
what happened to the outlets that night.
I would have got, I would have won an act appropriately to try
to help him. None of this would have
happened. I think he didn't tell me
because I think it was intended for me.
I think that's why it would makesense to him not to tell me.
So let me ask you, SO you have contact with the law enforcement
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officer Friday night, the children are still in this
vehicle that would have been on the 5th the. 5th yes.
Saturday is when you get picked up here, the 6th that that's
going to be the 6th, that's Saturday.
But that Saturday morning we look at this receipt and this is
where. The Greenville, AL.
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Greenville, AL and and what do you remember what you buy there?
10 packs of cigarettes and some zoo Zoos and Wham whams.
OK. And I just see groceries.
So I, I don't know what what youpurchased there and if, if the
time on the receipt is correct, it's telling us 818 in the
morning, your children, they're still in the vehicle with you.
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You're positive about that on Saturday?
Not the whole day, yeah. OK.
At that time though, yeah. OK.
So you go from Greenville, AL and then the next receipt we
have is Camden, AL and what do you do in Camden?
I pulled some money out. I was intending to go to Vegas.
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OK. And you take out $500, all
right. Now that time is at one O 6:00
PM. At that point, were the children
in your vehicle? Don't believe they were.
I think that they were gone. You already disposed of them,
pretty sure. OK, so.
With that in mind, can you describe to me what you were
telling me earlier about where you disposed of your children
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at? They're in some wooded Rd. log
truck looking thing off on the side and bags.
Was it A2 lane Rd. that this wasoff of I?
Think so, but I'm not 100% sure.You said it was a heavily wooded
area. It was heavily wooded.
It looked like if you went up inthe area where I did, it was
either like some of the trees got knocked out of the way, like
people potentially either starting to clear it or maybe
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somebody came through there and was bulldozing up ATV path or
something. I don't know.
It was wasn't something that wasincorporated.
That's kind of was it was unincorporated.
Unincorporated. Your children, you.
You do what? Once?
Once you get to this location. OK, Tell us about Natan.
Does this happen there? Did this happen in a separate
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place where you? You said you started to cut on
you started. To happen there.
Where? Where did it happen?
In the vehicle, outside of the vehicle and what do?
You do. How far did you get?
Maybe about that far. And I was like, I can't do this.
I can't do that to. Him OK, see, you did not cut his
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leg off What what did you do with his body?
I. Just put him in the bag, he
said. I got to sit you guys over
there, I said. OK.
Did you place each child in in aseparate bag and then do you
walk them a couple at a time or one at a time?
What? Which which is it A.
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Couple at a time. A couple at a time.
Or many trips it took to get five of them over there.
Now we asked if they're going tobe essentially all together if
they put them in a. Place I put them in the same
place if somebody they didn't check the bags and they started
looking in there moving around, I don't know what for all I know
they they may not be there. I'm not lying to you that much.
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I'm telling you the truth. I don't know what happened
obviously between where I put them and the time I'm here now.
I don't know if somebody went back and.
You you said they just look likethey're a pile of.
Five bag, 5 garbage bags. Five garbage.
So it looks like they're just garbage in there.
OK, So what? What?
What do you do then? Do you try to hide the bags at
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all? I.
Just put them up to the side. I knew there was no hiding bags.
There ain't no hidingness. I'm going to get caught.
It's just a better time. I'll buy myself time.
I'm going to get caught. So you go, you don't try to hide
the in other words, you don't cover the bags up, but you go
back to your vehicle and from your vehicle.
I just drove. Drove.
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Aimlessly. And then and.
And then I will, I say aimlessly, I was in an aimless
path toward Las Vegas. That's why I was doing this.
And that explained me going around the major cities.
All right, Now you can explain to my travel, Carolina travel
maybe. Until you get here in Smith
County. And then I didn't intend to get
Yeah. And then that's when everything
blows up in my face. Now you were telling us that was
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actually in the car. It was not Spice, but they are
called. This is Scooby Snacks.
OK. You said locally in Lexington
County you bought those from where?
Time. Time Warp.
And and what do they kind of do for you?
They calm the voices down insidemy head to let me be at peace
and not act on them. They kind of give you the same
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high as as, as as what drug is. I think you're talking about
the, yeah. It it's like marijuana in the
sense that it gives you a high, but it's not the high that I'm
looking for. It's the effect of quieting
this. It's medication.
I know that sounds stupid as that, but literal.
That's why I need to see a doctor.
OK, absolutely. Yeah, this will answer a lot of
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that. Sure.
Sure. Have any other?
Questions what I want to do, we'll go through this and but as
we've done this today, nobody has threatened you today and
we'll go over this in this form.Is that is that correct?
And do you think we treated you fair today?
All right, you've done the same for us.
Have you been completely honest with us?
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Now, one thing, though, you didn't tell us about taking that
saw to Natan, not until we started this tape.
You had not mentioned that. But I told you, we're going to.
We're going to form autopsies onyour children.
We're going to find them. And you're telling me the four
children, four of them, it's we're going to find out that
they were suffocated. Now you're you're grabbing your
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hands. You put them around your throat.
That's what you did. Yeah, OK.
That's how you suffocated them. Did you put a pillow over that?
No, no. All right.
If you could just say out loud what you're doing.
I used my hands to suffocate my kids.
Is there anything else we need to know, Tim, about what
happened to them? Anything you may have intended
to do to them afterwards. Used the belt too.
Used the belt too. How'd you use the belt around
their necks? Did you do that with all five
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children? No.
With who? Who did you use the belt on?
I forget which ones. OK I used this.
What? What is the autopsy going to
show with Natan? I don't know do.
You use the. Belt on, baby.
It's going to I don't know. I didn't use the button.
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No, he, I came in and he was gone.
And that's when, that's when I went into panic mode, if you
will. So you're, you're not sure what
the autopsy will show for for Natan I?
Don't know what it's going to show.
I don't know what actually was. I don't know what his actual
cause of death was. That's just the point.
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I didn't want to go. I was afraid I was going to just
get myself locked up. Yeah, did.
Did you use the belt on on Eli? I don't.
Think I did. I think it was just bare hands.
We're not 100% sure. I don't want to lie to you that
those members are clouded. Well, what about who do you
remember using the belt on? Babies.
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And the babies. Who were the babies to pardon
Gabriel and Elaine? Is that correct?
Which is Elaine is also known asGab Abigail right and.
When you say the belt, you put the belt around their use.
The strangle. Use the strangle.
Why? Why don't you use your hands
with them? I don't know.
(23:30):
At that point I wasn't thinking.At that point I was just
thinking, run, get rid of the bodies and you're fucked, Tim.
Were the older children? Did they put up a fight?
I mean, what person's not right?You you told us earlier that Eli
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said something to you before youkilled him.
What did he say to you? Take me with that.
What do you think Eli meant whenhe said that?
I think he just wanted to go where I was.
He knew the time was gone. So they.
I don't know exactly what he meant by that.
I mean, I don't know where he thought I was going.
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I didn't even know where I was going at that time.
This has just happened in that it's like my mind.
I don't know what to do now. Did any of the other children
say anything before you killed him?
Gabriel said I love you. OK.
That's the question. I was going to you know, we're
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going to ask you here. We've we've gone over all this
and and you've been honest with us.
Are we going to find any of the other children caught up at all?
No, you didn't try to burn them at all.
I. Can't replace them, Tim.
What? Tim?
What about the bleach in the vehicle?
(24:54):
They cover up the blood. They cover up the blood.
I also know an honest truth. I do like bleach because it
makes stuff smell clean. So you're.
Probably trying to get rid of some of that over.
Not just that, I mean no. So I mean I would carry it
around in the car even if I before because I like bleach and
made stuff clean. You want to go?
That was just me. You're also willing to go with
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us to try to locate the bodies. I am, but like I said, I don't
know how productive that's goingto be.
I don't want you guys to get outthere.
You're pissing around wasting our time.
I'm not. I mean, I drive, but part,
forgive me, part of that stuff blank.
All right, Tim, we're going to. We ran into these questions
earlier. You've heard them all, so
there's no surprises. Unfortunately, we got to do it
again because of the issue with the recorder.
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First question is do you know where you are?
Yes. Where is that Smith?
County. Smith County Do you know who you
are? Tim.
Jones, Tim Jones. What's your date of birth, Tim?
12281. You know why we've been talking
to you. Trying to find out what happened
to the kids. OK.
Do you understand when that you just confessed to a crime?
(25:55):
Yes. Do you understand that your
confession will be used against you in court?
Did you confess voluntarily? Yes.
Did anyone threaten you if you didn't confess?
No. Can you speak a little louder?
No. No.
What do you think will happen toyou as a result of confessing to
a crime? I have no clue.
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No clue. OK, fair enough.
Why did you decide to confess? I.
Didn't do the right thing. To do the right thing.
That's exactly what you told me earlier.
Do you feel guilty about the crime that you just confessed
to? Yes.
Yes. OK.
If so, why I? Thought that I took measures
that were extremely unnecessary because of fear of fear of my
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life because of kids. OK.
Did you do the crime on purpose?Natan was an accident.
That was really an accident. I was just trying to find out
what was going on. If you look at that picture of
me holding my little son, yeah, it's just a picture of me with
the older one trying to say so what's going on?
And he went telling me and I don't know if he was messing
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with the stuff. And so PT took him over the
edge. Natan was an accident, but you,
you murdered the other four children, OK?
It's why did you do that? We talked about this earlier.
The voices started kicking and said you better do something,
you're fucking out to him. OK.
What were you trying to accomplish by doing this crime?
She's trying to flee because I knew my time was short.
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I was going to get in trouble anyway.
I'm not good at being bad. I'm not a good criminal.
When did you decide to do this? After the time had been gone, I
started listening to what was going on in my head and I
carried it out. I didn't carry out everything
because if I did, I would have cared out what was on those
papers. That's the stuff that comes out
of my head. What did you think about your
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children, just in general? I think that they were going to
have issues like me. Issues like you OK, I think that
they. Were going to have issues from
not only from a broken home. I think that there's genetic
diseases that that's the I thinkthat there was some things that
my dad, if he hasn't seen yesterday, he doesn't know about
my mom. Yeah, I think that there's
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things I know about my mom, eventhough I'm not.
I wasn't around. That happened because I think
I've got some of what she has. What kind of people do you think
the children were when you committed the crime?
I understand this is a weird question for what we're talking
about, but we we had to ask it earlier too.
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I think they were conspiring. That they were conspiring
against you. I definitely, it seems to make
the most sense to me. I mean, why else would somebody
go do something like that and not tell me what he's doing?
Do you understand that you've just, oh, sorry, I'm getting
behind myself. When you did this, did you think
your actions could hurt the children?
Yes. Yes.
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So you knew that what you were doing to the children was going
to. I knew it was going to.
Harm and protect their lives. It was to protect myself.
OK, I know that sounds fucking. Pathetic.
When you did this crime, did youknow it was wrong?
The time I didn't think any of it was wrong, it happened and
this fuck, I'm happenstancing. Let me finish it up now.
OK, when you did the crime, did you know it was against the law?
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Time. I didn't think about the law, so
I'm going to say no, OK? The law didn't come into my
mind. I wasn't caring about the law.
Dealing with dead children in myhand sparked the law.
I'm in trouble, man. My kids were dead.
Yeah, did you think you might get caught?
I knew I was going to get caught.
I'm not a good criminal. It was a matter of time.
I've. Got you.
Why did you think that? Just because you weren't a good
crook. I'm not a good grandma's told me
something. That's the truth, Tim, you
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ain't. I told it to my kids too.
You guys ain't good being bad, so be good.
What did you do to protect yourself from getting caught?
Driving to try to get this guy'sthe bags and then get rid of the
stuff at the house. What all did you get rid of at
the house? Everything I gave the name.
I just you just ain't your general possessions.
Yeah, I just didn't think about keeping my stuff anymore over
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hell with it and gave all my stuff away.
I mean, my life's over when I thought about it if.
There had been times you wanted to do something like this but
decided against it. I mean, I've had these thoughts,
but none of this happened until this actually materialized.
That's what I'm trying to tell you, OK?
Why didn't you do that in the past if you've had these
thoughts before? Why didn't I?
Yes, I didn't have any reason toact on them.
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The reason to act on them. OK.
Would you have done this if the uniformed officer had been
standing next to you? Yes.
Aiden. I wouldn't care.
No, ma'am. You.
Vote Elbow with you. You would have.
Still wouldn't have cared. Yeah, and here's why.
At that point in time, I didn't care because I saw myself as a
damn target and I saw him as having a gun in his hand, if you
will. I know he was a kid, but that's
how I saw it. Like shit, he's and.
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When you say when you say him, you're talking about.
Natan. Natan.
And how old is Natan? Six years old.
Six years old. Did anyone tell you to do this?
The voices inside my. Head in your head and just
confirm the voices in your head are not God.
They're not God, No God would. No, this ain't Isaac and
Abraham. OK, when you did this, did you
know that society would condemn your actions even if they knew
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everything that you know? I mean, at the time I sort of
didn't care you. Didn't care.
OK, yeah. I was like, I don't know, I felt
like I was marked for dead, if you will.
I was just acting accordingly. Did.
You have any strange or unusual mental experiences around the
time of the crime? Yes.
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If So, what were they and and when did they begin?
When he told me what he said. Yes.
All kinds of stuff started triggering and then I worked
harder to get out of him to try to see if maybe he puts it back
together. And then I realized that this
he's not doing this per SE to he's not telling me what's going
on because it appears he's got something intended for me and he
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doesn't want me to know that it's right for me.
Because normally they're pretty apartment to tell me the truth.
And if they don't, I give them acouple squats and a push up and
they they spit it out. He ain't doing that, which means
there's some motive that he doesnot want is.
That why you pushed him so hard.Yes, I tried pushing more, give
me some more, a little more pressure.
Maybe he'll just tell me what's going on.
That's always worked before. And so the fact that it didn't
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work this time tells me that there was something that he
didn't want me to. Know when he got pushed to his
limit, he'd just die, right? Pass out right there or what?
What happened? He went to bed and he was tired.
He went to bed and he just neverwoke up.
And then I came back to check him and he wasn't breathing.
I said oh shit what am I done? My kids dead in my hand.
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They they're going to think I murdered him.
I just BT D him. He's fucking with y'all.
I don't know what happened to him.
And then all sorts of stuff starts tricking in my head and
that's like the other 4 become avictim.
Tim, have you ever heard or seenthings that weren't really
there? Yes.
If so, has this been when takingdrugs?
Both with or without drugs. With and without drugs?
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What? Did you see her here?
I've seen people, I've had conversations, I've started to
talk with people where there's nobody in the room.
You told me shapes earlier. I'll see shapes.
Yeah, that's the strangest thing.
I see shapes and things materialize that aren't real.
Is this happening while we've been talking to you tonight?
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Yes. What have you seen while you
were talking to us tonight? Well, I see.
I see people. What kind of people do you see?
Just normal everyday people. I don't talk to them because if
you guys are, you're going to say start talking to me and not
them. Dude, if you pay attention to
what's going on my cell, I I getso nutty I start talking to
them. Did you?
Did this happen the day of the crime?
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Yes. What did you see the day of the
crime? Did you see people?
Oh, I didn't talk about the no, the I'm sorry.
This goes back to. The voices, OK.
Yeah, the voices ran rampant in my head.
You had There was no space for logic to talk.
They were so loud that the logicis quiet in the the.
I understand. Do you have any ideas or beliefs
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that other people think are crazy?
If so, what are they? Well, Freemason.
Freemason. OK.
I don't know, they probably think my thoughts about exercise
are nuts, but I mean, I tend to think people should take care of
themselves. OK.
I'm old school in the sense thatI think kids should get their
ass busted by a teacher. I don't like the fact.
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And here's here's one of my problems.
This is what the DSS was about. Yeah.
When I grew up, I didn't worry about kids bringing guns to
school and blowing the hell out of each other with a teacher.
That didn't happen because therewas a healthy fear of and you
got corrected by parents. These day and age, kids bring
guns to school because I don't think that they're corrected at
home and they take other people's lives because they got
no respect for authority. I said I will not let my kids go
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out and go blasting people away because I'm not teaching them to
respect human life. So that was my whole motivation
with a ton to push them. Hey dude, you need to tell me
what you're up to, man. I need to know.
Yeah. And he wouldn't tell me.
So you'd say your personal beliefs affect your actions?
Yeah. I mean, I think that's true for
everybody. Yeah, I think so too.
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I don't know who wouldn't be. You know, obviously if you
believe something, it doesn't affect your actions.
You don't really believe it thatmuch, do you?
And you say you do what you don't, right?
Yeah. Do people ever have difficulty
understanding you? Yes.
If so, why do you think this is?People say I'm really smart and
I talk at 100 miles an hour and I talk I'll go from one subject
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to another and it seems branded to them, but to me it makes
sense. I've.
Understood you tonight. I I can see how people would
think that though. You're more understanding than a
typical person. I can tell that.
I got a sort of a nuance about people.
You're very people person, I cantell.
Well, I'm here. I'm here to try to understand.
No, no, I'm saying I told you earlier.
Not all cops are that way. Yeah, which is kind of why I was
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resistant to the other ones. The ones that you spoke with
last night and we, I may have some questions for you about
that. We'll, we'll talk about those in
a minute. The next question, so we can get
through these. Have you ever been told that you
had a mental illness? By a doctor just.
Anybody. Oh yeah, you're fucking nuts,
dude. My nickname in high school was
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the crazy white Guy. Crazy white.
Guy, I'm not joking. Yeah, that was my nickname.
So people in high school told told you this.
You, you told us earlier, the military also.
The military said I was wrongly enlisted due to some wrong
enlistment. I fell on a depression.
OK. Have you ever had any treatment
or have you ever been hospitalized for any of these
issues? No, I fought it.
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You fought it, OK that. Should.
Have you have you ever had a diagnosis?
No. No.
Do you think you have a mental illness?
I think something's not right. I don't know what.
I think I may have some, not a some.
If I'm anything like my mom, yeah, I've got lots.
I. Gotcha.
Were you drinking or using any drugs at the time of the crime?
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No, it was self medication afterwards.
Afterwards. What did you take afterwards?
Scooby Snack. I was the only thing that we
tried to calm the voices long enough for me to collect myself.
And it really didn't work because what I just did, Yeah,
nothing. Nothing was working.
Were you drinking or using any drugs when you were arrested?
I. Think I've been smoking Scooby
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snacks? Scooby Snacks, OK?
Speaking of that, can I have another one please?
Another cigarette. Yeah, it.
Was still 20 bucks on my wall and have a glass anymore do.
You have any illnesses? Physical illnesses.
So I'm just telling you what I think based off of my
experience. I'm the type who doesn't really
like to go to doctors, which is a male thing.
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Yeah, I think I've got an ulcer.An ulcer.
Yeah, and the reason why is because I get those sulfur
burps, they lay eggs and I, I don't know.
And then also some foods will just do a number to my gut.
I've been told I might have colitis or Crohn's, my digestive
tract sensitive. That's why you don't see me
eating much. I got you.
And Speaking of eating, you still don't want anything to
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eat? No, I'm good right now.
No I can't even no as far as also I got issues with my back
because I smashed my head. I was so young I got stuffed
without a line and I asked them to give me a They made me sleep
on that hard metal thing and I asked them if I could have a
mattress because my stuff hurts and because they think I'm going
to hang myself with a mattress or something.
You're talking about here. Yeah, Yeah.
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OK. But you're you say you're not
suicidal at all. If I was going to sue, if I was
going to do it, it would have already happened.
Nah, man, I'm not willing to take that.
I'll do a lot of stuff, but. Because you said your religious
beliefs. Taking my life is not one of
them. Because what happens, you say,
if you kill yourself? If you kill yourself, well,
maybe nothing does happen, and maybe, Lord, I love you, maybe
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God's a myth and we die and we go to the ground.
But if he's not, and it's real, well, if if that's what it says,
Hell's not a very fun place. I don't think it plans on
freezing over anytime soon. I don't want to go there.
Were you taking any medications before you were arrested?
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I don't think so. OK.
Were you taking any medications at the time of the crime?
When you talking about like, well like.
Prescription medications. So, I mean, I ibuprofen and
naproxen, OK, so those. Yeah, but nothing like to me,
that's all I had, OK? I didn't have anything else.
That's all they gave me. When we talked about is it
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question earlier, have you ever had a seizure or fit?
I don't know what the word fit means, but I think I may have
had some seizures. The nonviolent type.
OK. Did you have 1:00 the day of the
crime in question? I don't think so.
You don't think so? I.
Can't say that I did. Have you ever been knocked
unconscious? Yes.
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Yes. If so, when?
I mean, grew up in as a young teenager in Chicago and I had to
protect myself because I'm whiteand most of those guys aren't
white and they don't like me because of my skin color.
You know what that means? And you said earlier that you
were not treated for these injuries.
No, I'm stubborn acid. Don't go to the doctor unless I
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need to. Is there?
I got a few things. We started off today at 1730 or
I'm sorry, 19th or about 7:30 PMDoes this sound right to you?
Yeah. OK.
So we've been here for a number of hours.
It's 10:00. It is currently 10:53 PM.
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OK, OK. That's yeah, Central time this
is actually. OK, so we're going off of.
It's actually 9:55 PM, OK. So we've been here a number of
hours. What time is it?
It's 955 my my wristwatch didn'tJames.
Jones, you're from Carolinas. Yes, yes.
And in that time you've had a number of cigarettes.
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Is that is that correct? Yes, Sir.
We've asked you if you want to use the bathroom, something to
eat, something to drink, and in fact you've had something to
drink here. Yes, Sir.
All right. Couple things I did want to go
through with you before we had talked about when this happened
the the children, when this happened in the living room, you
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were saying the bodies were wereon the ground and the other
kids, did they know what was coming?
I don't know. I mean they maybe they exposed.
I have no clue. I wasn't exactly in a state of
mind watching. Hey, is he?
He cared? No.
Right. They put up a fight.
I mean, what normal humans not? OK.
And I, I, I understand you're trying to tell me they did.
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And what do you mean by that though?
They just they didn't want to go.
What do you mean they? Didn't want their lives taken.
Why didn't you get help before all this?
You you told us you had thoughtsabout this.
Why didn't you get help? Just put it up thinking I'll do
it tomorrow. I'll get help later.
Why not give the children to your father?
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I didn't think that wait. How about to their mother?
She didn't want them. She said that they couldn't come
with her if they had asked. They the 2, two of them, Natan
and Mira, they'd made a plot andthey originally got DSS involved
in the attempt of they were going to try to get themselves
taken out of the house. So they made-up a bunch of lies,
as the the lady would say if youtalk to her, they made-up some
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stuff that weren't true and theyfound she found out.
She got to the bottom of it. But Tim, why?
Why, after things happened with Natan, you're telling us that
that was not done intentionally?No, that was not done
intentionally. Well, it was done intentionally
in the sense that I was trying to just get answers out of him.
OK, Wasn't I didn't go and intentionally just go hurt him.
Why? Why not after you had plenty of
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time, you have over a week's time.
Where those those children, the bodies now?
Because of that, with your, because at that point I'm not
thinking anything, but I'm screwed.
I'm not thinking logically. If I was thinking logically, I
would have done that, but I didn't.
Logic went out the window all. Right.
I didn't usually. I didn't think normal at all at
that point. I didn't.
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I wasn't myself. And after everything that's
happened, you were questioned yesterday, you were questioned
by the sheriff, you were questioned by people with the
Mississippi State Police. You don't tell them the whole
truth. Why?
Why not? The guilt hadn't eaten yet far
enough. All right.
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What you're telling us here today?
Is this the truth? Yes.
The evidence that we're going tosee, whether it's the autopsies
or when, when we we find the bodies, is it going to support
what you're telling us here today?
Yeah, it's barring that I don't know what else you may see
poked, stabbed or thrown in the car, but I mean, I may have some
crush something there. You're going to find a mark on
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the tons leg and we. We did talk about the sheriff
had told you about a part of a scalp in the car.
I don't know exactly how that came about.
It may be of just thrash of me putting bodies in there.
OK, I don't know where that camefrom.
I had asked you if there'd be any broken bones and and.
You might find some now, I don'tknow.
As far as so I mean I did did. That happen before they died.
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No, no, OK with breaking bones wasn't a way to me to, I mean, I
wasn't using them at that point.I wasn't thinking at that point,
let me break bones to get what I'm going to do done.
And no, I was thinking, let me go get this done and get out of
here. Well, and and you know, you're
being recorded. Right now, that's right, yeah.
And and you know, this is voluntary, just like talking to
us here today, OK. Myself, I know.
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But after everything we've gone over, what is it you'd like to
say about about your actions? God, I'm sorry children, I love
you. I hope I see you get something
worthy too. I'm.
Sorry. All right.
And you're willing to go with us?
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I don't know where to look. I mean, I I know the general
city. I don't know exactly where I'm
willing to try. So I'm telling you I can't.
I, I drove around with the intention that I was never going
to have to go back there and look because I was so ashamed of
what I'd done. I'll try.
I don't know if I'm going to help you.
I'll try though. I surely will.
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Because they get a burial. I just got, I just got a couple
of just follow up questions here.
You mentioned the police officers you spoke with last
night. They could have done things a
little differently when they spoke to you.
Can you just tell us from your experience what you think they
could have done better? OK, so worse than what they did?
If if I'm being recorded can letme say this much?
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Let me share my experience with SO.
I've done time before. OK.
I don't know that it's it's yeah, I've been put up in there
in the rubber room. No clothes, no mattress, no
nothing for the whole time. I asked him for a blanket just
to cover up because they cut theshower off of me.
I was using that to keep warm. I feel that they could have gave
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me clothes. I said give me at least
something. So there's I don't want to sound
like I'm being nitpicky. I mean, I'm not the person to be
nitpicky, but there's metal that's rusting.
I told him, guys, that produces tetanus.
I don't want to get tetanus, andthey don't care if I lay on
that. And you can see the paint was
Yeah, look, so there's the paintfrom them.
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That's just one. If I pull the shirt off, you're
probably going to find pieces onmy back.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the paint.
Well, there's also rusted metal and I'm afraid I'm going to get
tetanus, but they won't give me any blanket or any mattress.
What about the interview yesterday though?
That's that's. So the reason I stepped out on
those guys is because I don't know, they don't talk the way
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you do. There's something about your
approach that makes it very easyto speak to you.
They weren't. There was no offense.
You're intimidating. Hell, you're an FBI agent.
I'm not so apartment to talk to you.
You to me. You're here and I'm way down
here and you're going to crush me.
You're the FBI. I'm just a nobody.
Well, Tim, I feel like we've hada good talk this evening and I.
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Appreciate you thinking man, there ain't nothing good here.
Is there anything we could have done better in in how we what we
all talked about this evening? Shoot, man, I've never been
asked that question by you. Not.
I can't think of anything better, no.
You think we were. We were fair to you this evening
and and gave you an opportunity to tell your story.
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Yes, but if there's something that you could do for me, it
would seriously be to contact mymother, help me.
Yeah, I'm, I'm if. You guys really want to help me
please do. I didn't tell you the truth
because the intention I was going to not get help.
All right. Tim, would you be willing to
speak with me in the future if I've got some more questions or
some things I'd like to talk to you about?
Yeah, I'm sure you're going to if you see the bodies.
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Yeah. OK.
That's expected. What do you mean?
Well, I mean, when you see the bodies, I'm sure you're going to
ask me more questions just because that.
You're you're willing to speak to us again if we need to speak
again. There's no reason not to at this
point. OK.
And I'm not. Accomplishing anything by
withholding the truth. Well, just for the record, I've
detected Creech with the Sheriff's Department.
I'm the case officer on this incident and I'll, I'll be back
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in touch with you. I'm sure we'll have some more
questions at some point. OK.
And with me is David Mackey withthe Federal Bureau of Event,
Federal Bureau of Investigations.
We did advise you of your your rights.
Is that correct? Yes, Sir.
All right. Can you just state your name?
Tim Jones all. Right.
What's your date of birth? 28 One.
All right. And you agreed to talk to us.
Yeah, we was talking but they forgot to push the record
button, so this is Part 2. And when we we went towards the
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end, we asked you if we threatened and threatened you
and. Just threatened me no one.
Promised you anything, could youjust please say it out loud?
No, nobody promised me anything.OK, we talked about what
happened with your children. Well, no, I take that back.
You guys did promise me. You guys said let me go give
them a burial and try to help you out.
See what you guys promised. Promised a good burial for your
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children. We talked about when you picked
your children up Thursday, whichwould have been, umm, August
28th, you picked them up from school that day and something
happened that night, Is that correct?
Yes, Sir. All right.
Can can you walk us through whathappened?
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I questioned a ton about four outlets that he blew after a
series of not getting any favorable responses out of them.
I tried to use more harsh measures to just try to get out
of them what was going on, because I didn't know what he
was doing. I seen four destroyed outlets.
Is it for me, him, Was he curious?
I just didn't know what was going on and I was trying to
make sense of it. Working too hard.
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Or maybe it was a combination ofthe electricity.
I know electricity takes electrolytes out of your body.
Something happened. It was out of the ordinary, and
he wouldn't tell me if I would have known it.
I mean, I would have gotten medical help, whatnot, but I
don't know what he did. He didn't tell me.
I didn't see any burn marks on his body so that's why I didn't
rush him to the hospital. So after the fact he he was
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deceased. And then what happened to him?
What? How?
How did he get deceased? What?
What did you do? That after I worked him real
hard because he wouldn't answer me.
And and what? What do you mean by working him
too? I just PT Ed his ass till he
couldn't handle that cracking word but a couple times get
something out of him to tell me what was he doing right, what's
his motive and. When you're saying PT and what,
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what are we talking about? Squats and push ups.
Squats, push ups and how How long were you having them PT?
I'm PT like an hour. Like I said, there's nothing out
of the ordinary those kids woulddo insanity with, and we had fun
doing it. And where did he go from you're
doing this? Where in the house where your
PT? Lives in the living room.
And then I finally got tired of it and sent him to bed.
OK, that's the bed. You're not telling the truth.
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I can't help you. Go to bed, man.
You're wasting everybody's time.And then, and then you you find
out what? Come back and find out that he's
deceased and when I find out he's deceased then the shit hits
the fan and all. How does the shit hit the fan,
Tim? The voices start going off and
then here comes the paranoia. Oh shit, what just happened?
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What, what? What just happened?
This ain't going to go. I can't call my bud.
I got all these voices running through my head now.
And then what happens to him? What did you tell us earlier?
So Natan was was dead. And then what happened?
That followed suit with the other 4.
And how did how did you? Feel that was with my hands.
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With your hands? Can you describe what you mean
by with your hands Around their neck?
Around their neck. Who?
Who is next? I'm just going to put the order
so I don't have to go into too much.
Detail. Just just tell us the order.
Time Mira. He lies.
Wait, wait, wait. Time Eli, Mira, and.
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When did you say this was Tim? What date you told us earlier?
Thursday. I think they were supposed to go
to school Friday and they didn'tgo because, well, they couldn't
go. Yeah.
And you said also that this happened where?
The house can. You tell me what that address
was. 155-B Salt Lake Drive. What county is that in?
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Lexington, SC. Lexington, SC.
OK. Where in the house did you say
this happened at? In in the house.
Bedroom. Bedroom the the living room.
OK. What, what did you do earlier?
You you said when you would strangle them.
What would you do with the bodies at that point at?
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That point I was just running onfear and I wasn't thinking any
normal person would have said let me call the police and just
turn myself in. OK.
I took the coward route and started following those voices
in my head which led me down such a nice path I'm on today
and. What?
What did you do then? What?
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Do you mean? With the bodies.
Put them in bags and throw them on the hill.
OK. No, no, no.
When when you're at the house. Oh, load them.
I just load them in the car. Did you put them in the bag at
that time? I.
Don't know, OK. You put them in in the vehicle.
What type of vehicle was that? All.
Right. And what do you do from there?
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I. Start driving out of fear.
Tim, tell us what was your original plan to do with the
bodies, now that we've had a chance to talk about it?
I don't know what my original plan was.
I had so many thoughts going through my mind.
What were some of them? Because you wrote some notes and
you bought, I had a. 100 different thoughts about what I
could do. OK.
I don't want to sit and incriminate myself, but I, I had
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a bunch of different things. I, you know, I've won.
We went over this, but part of your plan was to do the bodies.
I think originally I had tended to go do all that stuff that I
wrote down on the paper, but that's why bring myself to it,
right? Which I what was it to do?
Stuff to get rid of. The courts.
Do you remember what Step 1 was like?
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Dissolve them or something like that.
I was going to cut them up and. You're going to I.
Was going to do all kinds. Of did you write down that you
were going to burn the bodies? I think I was going to burn
them, yeah. And you're going going to what
was Step 2? Boil them or I forget what it
was. That's what I'm trying to tell
you. I don't remember everything.
Yeah, yeah. Did you write that you were
going to wrote stuff? Down that it was in the context
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of that time, but all right. Was it something that you were
going to cut the bodies up? So I could bring myself to do
yes all. Right, let's let's take a look
all. Right, Tim, while he's looking
that up, I also want to clarify when, when you last saw
Christine? Christina.
Christina, your next door neighbor.
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Oh, when I last saw, when I lastsaw, the kids were actually
still around. She said she spoke to you on the
second. She talked to me.
She. Talked to you on the.
Last when I last seen her. And the children?
So she talked to you on the phone, OK.
And the children. Were just lied and I lied to her
before they give you. OK.
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OK, I want to go through this real quick with you.
We don't have to spend a lot of time on this, but we went over
this. What?
What is day one? Burnout bodies.
What's day 2? Son on bones.
What's day three? MB :) Dissolve, dissolve and
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discard. OK.
So your initial plan was to do these things with with their
bodies? What was one of them?
I told you there's other stuff that just happened to be the one
that's materialized. I had a million bugs going.
Through OK, let's go over this. This is what?
Head of the campground, no bodies and send bodies to
Duster. Small but small.
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Discard by a sanitation plant. OK, so these are some of the
things that were going through your head.
That was that's just a small amount of stuff that was going
through my yes. Did you write this before or
after you killed the children? After, after I wasn't
premeditating this. No, OK, this was not
premeditated. This was a oh shit what just
happened? So you had the bodies in in the
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vehicle. Did you write this in your
house, in the car, or did you write these notes?
That was on the back of a clipboard in that house, I
think. Yeah, I would think that would
be in the house. I'm not good at writing and
driving. OK.
Did you did you do this before or after you put the bodies in
the car? I don't remember.
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OK, I don't, I'm sorry, those details I don't remember.
Now we had also gone through some of what what you went and
purchased and specifically at the at the Walmart.
Do you remember that? Yeah.
All right, let's see if I can find the receipt for that do.
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You have a choice. Nicotine What?
What did you purchase at the at the Walmart?
I don't remember which Walmart. This would have been the one in
West Columbia. Receipt.
I don't remember. OK.
Did you buy a saw there? Yeah.
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Oh, OK. Did you buy?
Let's go over this. This receipt here.
This receipt is going to be fromGusso Rd. in West Columbia.
All right. And the date here is 93.
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So this is this is after becausewhat happened to the children
was on Thursday, is that correct?
That's the 28th. That makes.
Sense now 93. This is on Wednesday so this is
after the weekend. And where have them children
been the whole time? With me.
Where? Driver on the vehicle I think.
Where are they though they're. With me in the car.
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All right, they're all in the back.
Yes, OK. Well.
In the middle, not back. So back and Plas the sorry back
and Plas the back where you open.
You told you told me earlier they were.
You had them covered up in some sheets or blankets.
Yeah, I do blankets and I shit load of air freshener.
So you have. You have their bodies.
There you go and and you purchase what?
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Walk me through what you're purchasing here.
I. Don't know what it rules all.
Right. A dust mask.
This is actually a Gatorade but oh dust mask.
Some goggles and some hand saws.Some jab saw, it says.
And multi saw. Multi saw What's this here?
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Some muriatic acid. And what's this here?
Like a 5 gallon pail. All right.
Were you purchasing this stuff at that time because you
initially thought you might be able to go through with this?
Partially, and then I couldn't bring myself.
You you just couldn't do it. OK.
So one of the next receipts we kind of talk about is going to
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be several days later. I had these thoughts in my head
to try to do this and then I couldn't bring myself to do it,
OK? Now we go to the following day.
This is going to be the 4th. This is at the Dollar General
Store and we're still in Orangeburg, SC.
What do you purchase there that we spoke about?
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Excuse. Me.
What's this here? Some bad trash bags.
Trash bags. Why'd you buy those trash bags?
To do what? Now?
Put the bodies. Throw some of my own trash out
too. OK, I had a lot of stuff in the
big voucher trying to throw out.Now you said you were, you're
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just driving around. You have the bodies in the car
and where you going at that time.
Nowhere. I guess because in my mind I'm
just running. I have nowhere to go.
Because you didn't plan this. I didn't plan this.
No, it's just like a spontaneous.
This is spontaneous and I just fucked up my whole life.
OK. One bad incident and I'm not
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following through with what I should have and I.
Now we we spent some time reallytrying to figure out where where
your children are at. What?
What do? We kind of come up with.
Looking somewhere on Route 10 between I think Greenville and
Campbell. Let's go back to September 5th,
Friday night. What?
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What did you tell us happened Friday night?
September 5th. That was that was when you said
your vehicle got stuck. Yeah.
Tell us about that. I pulled off to the side at
somebody's house to try to collect myself and see where I
was at. Yeah.
And in the process of pulling back onto the road, I got stuck
in a ditch. Stuck and what happened?
The tow truck had come on. He called the wrecker.
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All right. You had any law enforcement
contact that night? A law enforcement just showed up
on his own. He was patrolling him.
OK. Can you describe what he looked
like? Probably about maybe 5-10 shaved
hair, Caucasian male. OK.
When you have contact with this officer, where are your
children? In the car.
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OK, they're dead in the car. Yes, Sir.
OK. And they're still where you set
them? Yes, Sir.
What, what's going on in that car since they've been sitting
for so long? I mean this.
You kill them on Thursday. No, they weren't sitting there
some of the time. I took a couple days and just
stayed home. OK.
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Did you leave them in the vehicle?
Or were they in the house at that time?
I think they were in the vehicleand I was just sitting there.
Not not what you think we. Want to believe that was that
believed that they were in a vehicle but you're.
Talking about the weekend it happened.
Yes. And I was just sitting there
thinking, oh God, what am I going to do?
OK, well does. That make sense?
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Yes, it it makes sense does. This tie this together because
that's what I'm trying to tell you what, Sure.
So all I'm saying from that Thursday though, the 28th and
you say after all this happens, you place their bodies in the
vehicle, Yes. Between then and the time you
come with in contact with the officer and that would be Friday
on September 5th. So we have over a week's time
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that has passed by. Your children are still still in
the vehicle, is that correct? What date?
Friday when you you have. Contact the next Saturday was
yeah. OK.
So they're in the vehicle the whole time.
What's kind of happening in the vehicle as far as how does it
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smell in there? Stinks like shit.
What's happening with the children you were telling me
before? I just the blood was probably
just coming out of their bodies because I just left them in
there and I believe that well, as far as I know, I think when
your body dies, you blood and water separate.
I think that's now we. We had asked because you
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purchased the saws and everything.
Had you used any of the saws on your children?
I tried to start on the time andI couldn't bring myself to do.
It OK and we'll get to we'll getto where that happens.
Had you tried with any of the other children?
No. It was kind of the whole center
of this thing. He's what kind of started this
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out. He.
Triggered us all. If if he would have told you
what happened to the outlets that night.
I would have got, I would have won an act appropriately to try
to help him. None of this would have
happened. I think he didn't tell me
because I think it was intended for me.
I think that's why it would makesense to him not to tell me.
So let me ask you, SO you have contact with the law enforcement
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officer Friday night, the children are still in this
vehicle that would have been on the 5th the. 5th yes.
Saturday is when you get picked up here, the 6th that that's
going to be the 6th, that's Saturday.
But that Saturday morning we look at this receipt and this is
where. The Greenville, AL.
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Greenville, AL and and what do you remember what you buy there?
10 packs of cigarettes and some zoo Zoos and Wham whams.
OK. And I just see groceries.
So I, I don't know what what youpurchased there and if, if the
time on the receipt is correct, it's telling us 818 in the
morning, your children, they're still in the vehicle with you.
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You're positive about that on Saturday?
Not the whole day, yeah. OK.
At that time though, yeah. OK.
So you go from Greenville, AL and then the next receipt we
have is Camden, AL and what do you do in Camden?
I pulled some money out. I was intending to go to Vegas.
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OK. And you take out $500, all
right. Now that time is at one O 6:00
PM. At that point, were the children
in your vehicle? Don't believe they were.
I think that they were gone. You already disposed of them,
pretty sure. OK, so.
With that in mind, can you describe to me what you were
telling me earlier about where you disposed of your children
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at? They're in some wooded Rd. log
truck looking thing off on the side and bags.
Was it A2 lane Rd. that this wasoff of I?
Think so, but I'm not 100% sure.You said it was a heavily wooded
area. It was heavily wooded.
It looked like if you went up inthe area where I did, it was
either like some of the trees got knocked out of the way, like
people potentially either starting to clear it or maybe
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somebody came through there and was bulldozing up ATV path or
something. I don't know.
It was wasn't something that wasincorporated.
That's kind of was it was unincorporated.
Unincorporated. Your children, you.
You do what? Once?
Once you get to this location. OK, Tell us about Natan.
Does this happen there? Did this happen in a separate
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place where you? You said you started to cut on
you started. To happen there.
Where? Where did it happen?
In the vehicle, outside of the vehicle and what do?
You do. How far did you get?
Maybe about that far. And I was like, I can't do this.
I can't do that to. Him OK, see, you did not cut his
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leg off What what did you do with his body?
I. Just put him in the bag, he
said. I got to sit you guys over
there, I said. OK.
Did you place each child in in aseparate bag and then do you
walk them a couple at a time or one at a time?
What? Which which is it A.
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Couple at a time. A couple at a time.
Or many trips it took to get five of them over there.
Now we asked if they're going tobe essentially all together if
they put them in a. Place I put them in the same
place if somebody they didn't check the bags and they started
looking in there moving around, I don't know what for all I know
they they may not be there. I'm not lying to you that much.
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I'm telling you the truth. I don't know what happened
obviously between where I put them and the time I'm here now.
I don't know if somebody went back and.
You you said they just look likethey're a pile of.
Five bag, 5 garbage bags. Five garbage.
So it looks like they're just garbage in there.
OK, So what? What?
What do you do then? Do you try to hide the bags at
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all? I.
Just put them up to the side. I knew there was no hiding bags.
There ain't no hidingness. I'm going to get caught.
It's just a better time. I'll buy myself time.
I'm going to get caught. So you go, you don't try to hide
the in other words, you don't cover the bags up, but you go
back to your vehicle and from your vehicle.
I just drove. Drove.
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Aimlessly. And then and.
And then I will, I say aimlessly, I was in an aimless
path toward Las Vegas. That's why I was doing this.
And that explained me going around the major cities.
All right, Now you can explain to my travel, Carolina travel
maybe. Until you get here in Smith
County. And then I didn't intend to get
Yeah. And then that's when everything
blows up in my face. Now you were telling us that was
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actually in the car. It was not Spice, but they are
called. This is Scooby Snacks.
OK. You said locally in Lexington
County you bought those from where?
Time. Time Warp.
And and what do they kind of do for you?
They calm the voices down insidemy head to let me be at peace
and not act on them. They kind of give you the same
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high as as, as as what drug is. I think you're talking about
the, yeah. It it's like marijuana in the
sense that it gives you a high, but it's not the high that I'm
looking for. It's the effect of quieting
this. It's medication.
I know that sounds stupid as that, but literal.
That's why I need to see a doctor.
OK, absolutely. Yeah, this will answer a lot of
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that. Sure.
Sure. Have any other?
Questions what I want to do, we'll go through this and but as
we've done this today, nobody has threatened you today and
we'll go over this in this form.Is that is that correct?
And do you think we treated you fair today?
All right, you've done the same for us.
Have you been completely honest with us?
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Now, one thing, though, you didn't tell us about taking that
saw to Natan, not until we started this tape.
You had not mentioned that. But I told you, we're going to.
We're going to form autopsies onyour children.
We're going to find them. And you're telling me the four
children, four of them, it's we're going to find out that
they were suffocated. Now you're you're grabbing your
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hands. You put them around your throat.
That's what you did. Yeah, OK.
That's how you suffocated them. Did you put a pillow over that?
No, no. All right.
If you could just say out loud what you're doing.
I used my hands to suffocate my kids.
Is there anything else we need to know, Tim, about what
happened to them? Anything you may have intended
to do to them afterwards. Used the belt too.
Used the belt too. How'd you use the belt around
their necks? Did you do that with all five
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children? No.
With who? Who did you use the belt on?
I forget which ones. OK I used this.
What? What is the autopsy going to
show with Natan? I don't know do.
You use the. Belt on, baby.
It's going to I don't know. I didn't use the button.
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No, he, I came in and he was gone.
And that's when, that's when I went into panic mode, if you
will. So you're, you're not sure what
the autopsy will show for for Natan I?
Don't know what it's going to show.
I don't know what actually was. I don't know what his actual
cause of death was. That's just the point.
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I didn't want to go. I was afraid I was going to just
get myself locked up. Yeah, did.
Did you use the belt on on Eli? I don't.
Think I did. I think it was just bare hands.
We're not 100% sure. I don't want to lie to you that
those members are clouded. Well, what about who do you
remember using the belt on? Babies.
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And the babies. Who were the babies to pardon
Gabriel and Elaine? Is that correct?
Which is Elaine is also known asGab Abigail right and.
When you say the belt, you put the belt around their use.
The strangle. Use the strangle.
Why? Why don't you use your hands
with them? I don't know.
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At that point I wasn't thinking.At that point I was just
thinking, run, get rid of the bodies and you're fucked, Tim.
Were the older children? Did they put up a fight?
I mean, what person's not right?You you told us earlier that Eli
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said something to you before youkilled him.
What did he say to you? Take me with that.
What do you think Eli meant whenhe said that?
I think he just wanted to go where I was.
He knew the time was gone. So they.
I don't know exactly what he meant by that.
I mean, I don't know where he thought I was going.
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I didn't even know where I was going at that time.
This has just happened in that it's like my mind.
I don't know what to do now. Did any of the other children
say anything before you killed him?
Gabriel said I love you. OK.
That's the question. I was going to you know, we're
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going to ask you here. We've we've gone over all this
and and you've been honest with us.
Are we going to find any of the other children caught up at all?
No, you didn't try to burn them at all.
I. Can't replace them, Tim.
What? Tim?
What about the bleach in the vehicle?
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They cover up the blood. They cover up the blood.
I also know an honest truth. I do like bleach because it
makes stuff smell clean. So you're.
Probably trying to get rid of some of that over.
Not just that, I mean no. So I mean I would carry it
around in the car even if I before because I like bleach and
made stuff clean. You want to go?
That was just me. You're also willing to go with
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us to try to locate the bodies. I am, but like I said, I don't
know how productive that's goingto be.
I don't want you guys to get outthere.
You're pissing around wasting our time.
I'm not. I mean, I drive, but part,
forgive me, part of that stuff blank.
All right, Tim, we're going to. We ran into these questions
earlier. You've heard them all, so
there's no surprises. Unfortunately, we got to do it
again because of the issue with the recorder.
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First question is do you know where you are?
Yes. Where is that Smith?
County. Smith County Do you know who you
are? Tim.
Jones, Tim Jones. What's your date of birth, Tim?
12281. You know why we've been talking
to you. Trying to find out what happened
to the kids. OK.
Do you understand when that you just confessed to a crime?
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Yes. Do you understand that your
confession will be used against you in court?
Did you confess voluntarily? Yes.
Did anyone threaten you if you didn't confess?
No. Can you speak a little louder?
No. No.
What do you think will happen toyou as a result of confessing to
a crime? I have no clue.
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No clue. OK, fair enough.
Why did you decide to confess? I.
Didn't do the right thing. To do the right thing.
That's exactly what you told me earlier.
Do you feel guilty about the crime that you just confessed
to? Yes.
Yes. OK.
If so, why I? Thought that I took measures
that were extremely unnecessary because of fear of fear of my
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life because of kids. OK.
Did you do the crime on purpose?Natan was an accident.
That was really an accident. I was just trying to find out
what was going on. If you look at that picture of
me holding my little son, yeah, it's just a picture of me with
the older one trying to say so what's going on?
And he went telling me and I don't know if he was messing
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with the stuff. And so PT took him over the
edge. Natan was an accident, but you,
you murdered the other four children, OK?
It's why did you do that? We talked about this earlier.
The voices started kicking and said you better do something,
you're fucking out to him. OK.
What were you trying to accomplish by doing this crime?
She's trying to flee because I knew my time was short.
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I was going to get in trouble anyway.
I'm not good at being bad. I'm not a good criminal.
When did you decide to do this? After the time had been gone, I
started listening to what was going on in my head and I
carried it out. I didn't carry out everything
because if I did, I would have cared out what was on those
papers. That's the stuff that comes out
of my head. What did you think about your
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children, just in general? I think that they were going to
have issues like me. Issues like you OK, I think that
they. Were going to have issues from
not only from a broken home. I think that there's genetic
diseases that that's the I thinkthat there was some things that
my dad, if he hasn't seen yesterday, he doesn't know about
my mom. Yeah, I think that there's
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things I know about my mom, eventhough I'm not.
I wasn't around. That happened because I think
I've got some of what she has. What kind of people do you think
the children were when you committed the crime?
I understand this is a weird question for what we're talking
about, but we we had to ask it earlier too.
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I think they were conspiring. That they were conspiring
against you. I definitely, it seems to make
the most sense to me. I mean, why else would somebody
go do something like that and not tell me what he's doing?
Do you understand that you've just, oh, sorry, I'm getting
behind myself. When you did this, did you think
your actions could hurt the children?
Yes. Yes.
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So you knew that what you were doing to the children was going
to. I knew it was going to.
Harm and protect their lives. It was to protect myself.
OK, I know that sounds fucking. Pathetic.
When you did this crime, did youknow it was wrong?
The time I didn't think any of it was wrong, it happened and
this fuck, I'm happenstancing. Let me finish it up now.
OK, when you did the crime, did you know it was against the law?
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Time. I didn't think about the law, so
I'm going to say no, OK? The law didn't come into my
mind. I wasn't caring about the law.
Dealing with dead children in myhand sparked the law.
I'm in trouble, man. My kids were dead.
Yeah, did you think you might get caught?
I knew I was going to get caught.
I'm not a good criminal. It was a matter of time.
I've. Got you.
Why did you think that? Just because you weren't a good
crook. I'm not a good grandma's told me
something. That's the truth, Tim, you
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ain't. I told it to my kids too.
You guys ain't good being bad, so be good.
What did you do to protect yourself from getting caught?
Driving to try to get this guy'sthe bags and then get rid of the
stuff at the house. What all did you get rid of at
the house? Everything I gave the name.
I just you just ain't your general possessions.
Yeah, I just didn't think about keeping my stuff anymore over
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hell with it and gave all my stuff away.
I mean, my life's over when I thought about it if.
There had been times you wanted to do something like this but
decided against it. I mean, I've had these thoughts,
but none of this happened until this actually materialized.
That's what I'm trying to tell you, OK?
Why didn't you do that in the past if you've had these
thoughts before? Why didn't I?
Yes, I didn't have any reason toact on them.
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The reason to act on them. OK.
Would you have done this if the uniformed officer had been
standing next to you? Yes.
Aiden. I wouldn't care.
No, ma'am. You.
Vote Elbow with you. You would have.
Still wouldn't have cared. Yeah, and here's why.
At that point in time, I didn't care because I saw myself as a
damn target and I saw him as having a gun in his hand, if you
will. I know he was a kid, but that's
how I saw it. Like shit, he's and.
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When you say when you say him, you're talking about.
Natan. Natan.
And how old is Natan? Six years old.
Six years old. Did anyone tell you to do this?
The voices inside my. Head in your head and just
confirm the voices in your head are not God.
They're not God, No God would. No, this ain't Isaac and
Abraham. OK, when you did this, did you
know that society would condemn your actions even if they knew
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everything that you know? I mean, at the time I sort of
didn't care you. Didn't care.
OK, yeah. I was like, I don't know, I felt
like I was marked for dead, if you will.
I was just acting accordingly. Did.
You have any strange or unusual mental experiences around the
time of the crime? Yes.
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If So, what were they and and when did they begin?
When he told me what he said. Yes.
All kinds of stuff started triggering and then I worked
harder to get out of him to try to see if maybe he puts it back
together. And then I realized that this
he's not doing this per SE to he's not telling me what's going
on because it appears he's got something intended for me and he
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doesn't want me to know that it's right for me.
Because normally they're pretty apartment to tell me the truth.
And if they don't, I give them acouple squats and a push up and
they they spit it out. He ain't doing that, which means
there's some motive that he doesnot want is.
That why you pushed him so hard.Yes, I tried pushing more, give
me some more, a little more pressure.
Maybe he'll just tell me what's going on.
That's always worked before. And so the fact that it didn't
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work this time tells me that there was something that he
didn't want me to. Know when he got pushed to his
limit, he'd just die, right? Pass out right there or what?
What happened? He went to bed and he was tired.
He went to bed and he just neverwoke up.
And then I came back to check him and he wasn't breathing.
I said oh shit what am I done? My kids dead in my hand.
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They they're going to think I murdered him.
I just BT D him. He's fucking with y'all.
I don't know what happened to him.
And then all sorts of stuff starts tricking in my head and
that's like the other 4 become avictim.
Tim, have you ever heard or seenthings that weren't really
there? Yes.
If so, has this been when takingdrugs?
Both with or without drugs. With and without drugs?
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What? Did you see her here?
I've seen people, I've had conversations, I've started to
talk with people where there's nobody in the room.
You told me shapes earlier. I'll see shapes.
Yeah, that's the strangest thing.
I see shapes and things materialize that aren't real.
Is this happening while we've been talking to you tonight?
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Yes. What have you seen while you
were talking to us tonight? Well, I see.
I see people. What kind of people do you see?
Just normal everyday people. I don't talk to them because if
you guys are, you're going to say start talking to me and not
them. Dude, if you pay attention to
what's going on my cell, I I getso nutty I start talking to
them. Did you?
Did this happen the day of the crime?
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Yes. What did you see the day of the
crime? Did you see people?
Oh, I didn't talk about the no, the I'm sorry.
This goes back to. The voices, OK.
Yeah, the voices ran rampant in my head.
You had There was no space for logic to talk.
They were so loud that the logicis quiet in the the.
I understand. Do you have any ideas or beliefs
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that other people think are crazy?
If so, what are they? Well, Freemason.
Freemason. OK.
I don't know, they probably think my thoughts about exercise
are nuts, but I mean, I tend to think people should take care of
themselves. OK.
I'm old school in the sense thatI think kids should get their
ass busted by a teacher. I don't like the fact.
(34:08):
And here's here's one of my problems.
This is what the DSS was about. Yeah.
When I grew up, I didn't worry about kids bringing guns to
school and blowing the hell out of each other with a teacher.
That didn't happen because therewas a healthy fear of and you
got corrected by parents. These day and age, kids bring
guns to school because I don't think that they're corrected at
home and they take other people's lives because they got
no respect for authority. I said I will not let my kids go
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out and go blasting people away because I'm not teaching them to
respect human life. So that was my whole motivation
with a ton to push them. Hey dude, you need to tell me
what you're up to, man. I need to know.
Yeah. And he wouldn't tell me.
So you'd say your personal beliefs affect your actions?
Yeah. I mean, I think that's true for
everybody. Yeah, I think so too.
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I don't know who wouldn't be. You know, obviously if you
believe something, it doesn't affect your actions.
You don't really believe it thatmuch, do you?
And you say you do what you don't, right?
Yeah. Do people ever have difficulty
understanding you? Yes.
If so, why do you think this is?People say I'm really smart and
I talk at 100 miles an hour and I talk I'll go from one subject
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to another and it seems branded to them, but to me it makes
sense. I've.
Understood you tonight. I I can see how people would
think that though. You're more understanding than a
typical person. I can tell that.
I got a sort of a nuance about people.
You're very people person, I cantell.
Well, I'm here. I'm here to try to understand.
No, no, I'm saying I told you earlier.
Not all cops are that way. Yeah, which is kind of why I was
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resistant to the other ones. The ones that you spoke with
last night and we, I may have some questions for you about
that. We'll, we'll talk about those in
a minute. The next question, so we can get
through these. Have you ever been told that you
had a mental illness? By a doctor just.
Anybody. Oh yeah, you're fucking nuts,
dude. My nickname in high school was
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the crazy white Guy. Crazy white.
Guy, I'm not joking. Yeah, that was my nickname.
So people in high school told told you this.
You, you told us earlier, the military also.
The military said I was wrongly enlisted due to some wrong
enlistment. I fell on a depression.
OK. Have you ever had any treatment
or have you ever been hospitalized for any of these
issues? No, I fought it.
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You fought it, OK that. Should.
Have you have you ever had a diagnosis?
No. No.
Do you think you have a mental illness?
I think something's not right. I don't know what.
I think I may have some, not a some.
If I'm anything like my mom, yeah, I've got lots.
I. Gotcha.
Were you drinking or using any drugs at the time of the crime?
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No, it was self medication afterwards.
Afterwards. What did you take afterwards?
Scooby Snack. I was the only thing that we
tried to calm the voices long enough for me to collect myself.
And it really didn't work because what I just did, Yeah,
nothing. Nothing was working.
Were you drinking or using any drugs when you were arrested?
I. Think I've been smoking Scooby
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snacks? Scooby Snacks, OK?
Speaking of that, can I have another one please?
Another cigarette. Yeah, it.
Was still 20 bucks on my wall and have a glass anymore do.
You have any illnesses? Physical illnesses.
So I'm just telling you what I think based off of my
experience. I'm the type who doesn't really
like to go to doctors, which is a male thing.
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Yeah, I think I've got an ulcer.An ulcer.
Yeah, and the reason why is because I get those sulfur
burps, they lay eggs and I, I don't know.
And then also some foods will just do a number to my gut.
I've been told I might have colitis or Crohn's, my digestive
tract sensitive. That's why you don't see me
eating much. I got you.
And Speaking of eating, you still don't want anything to
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eat? No, I'm good right now.
No I can't even no as far as also I got issues with my back
because I smashed my head. I was so young I got stuffed
without a line and I asked them to give me a They made me sleep
on that hard metal thing and I asked them if I could have a
mattress because my stuff hurts and because they think I'm going
to hang myself with a mattress or something.
You're talking about here. Yeah, Yeah.
(38:04):
OK. But you're you say you're not
suicidal at all. If I was going to sue, if I was
going to do it, it would have already happened.
Nah, man, I'm not willing to take that.
I'll do a lot of stuff, but. Because you said your religious
beliefs. Taking my life is not one of
them. Because what happens, you say,
if you kill yourself? If you kill yourself, well,
maybe nothing does happen, and maybe, Lord, I love you, maybe
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God's a myth and we die and we go to the ground.
But if he's not, and it's real, well, if if that's what it says,
Hell's not a very fun place. I don't think it plans on
freezing over anytime soon. I don't want to go there.
Were you taking any medications before you were arrested?
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I don't think so. OK.
Were you taking any medications at the time of the crime?
When you talking about like, well like.
Prescription medications. So, I mean, I ibuprofen and
naproxen, OK, so those. Yeah, but nothing like to me,
that's all I had, OK? I didn't have anything else.
That's all they gave me. When we talked about is it
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question earlier, have you ever had a seizure or fit?
I don't know what the word fit means, but I think I may have
had some seizures. The nonviolent type.
OK. Did you have 1:00 the day of the
crime in question? I don't think so.
You don't think so? I.
Can't say that I did. Have you ever been knocked
unconscious? Yes.
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Yes. If so, when?
I mean, grew up in as a young teenager in Chicago and I had to
protect myself because I'm whiteand most of those guys aren't
white and they don't like me because of my skin color.
You know what that means? And you said earlier that you
were not treated for these injuries.
No, I'm stubborn acid. Don't go to the doctor unless I
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need to. Is there?
I got a few things. We started off today at 1730 or
I'm sorry, 19th or about 7:30 PMDoes this sound right to you?
Yeah. OK.
So we've been here for a number of hours.
It's 10:00. It is currently 10:53 PM.
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OK, OK. That's yeah, Central time this
is actually. OK, so we're going off of.
It's actually 9:55 PM, OK. So we've been here a number of
hours. What time is it?
It's 955 my my wristwatch didn'tJames.
Jones, you're from Carolinas. Yes, yes.
And in that time you've had a number of cigarettes.
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Is that is that correct? Yes, Sir.
We've asked you if you want to use the bathroom, something to
eat, something to drink, and in fact you've had something to
drink here. Yes, Sir.
All right. Couple things I did want to go
through with you before we had talked about when this happened
the the children, when this happened in the living room, you
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were saying the bodies were wereon the ground and the other
kids, did they know what was coming?
I don't know. I mean they maybe they exposed.
I have no clue. I wasn't exactly in a state of
mind watching. Hey, is he?
He cared? No.
Right. They put up a fight.
I mean, what normal humans not? OK.
And I, I, I understand you're trying to tell me they did.
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And what do you mean by that though?
They just they didn't want to go.
What do you mean they? Didn't want their lives taken.
Why didn't you get help before all this?
You you told us you had thoughtsabout this.
Why didn't you get help? Just put it up thinking I'll do
it tomorrow. I'll get help later.
Why not give the children to your father?
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I didn't think that wait. How about to their mother?
She didn't want them. She said that they couldn't come
with her if they had asked. They the 2, two of them, Natan
and Mira, they'd made a plot andthey originally got DSS involved
in the attempt of they were going to try to get themselves
taken out of the house. So they made-up a bunch of lies,
as the the lady would say if youtalk to her, they made-up some
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stuff that weren't true and theyfound she found out.
She got to the bottom of it. But Tim, why?
Why, after things happened with Natan, you're telling us that
that was not done intentionally?No, that was not done
intentionally. Well, it was done intentionally
in the sense that I was trying to just get answers out of him.
OK, Wasn't I didn't go and intentionally just go hurt him.
Why? Why not after you had plenty of
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time, you have over a week's time.
Where those those children, the bodies now?
Because of that, with your, because at that point I'm not
thinking anything, but I'm screwed.
I'm not thinking logically. If I was thinking logically, I
would have done that, but I didn't.
Logic went out the window all. Right.
I didn't usually. I didn't think normal at all at
that point. I didn't.
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I wasn't myself. And after everything that's
happened, you were questioned yesterday, you were questioned
by the sheriff, you were questioned by people with the
Mississippi State Police. You don't tell them the whole
truth. Why?
Why not? The guilt hadn't eaten yet far
enough. All right.
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What you're telling us here today?
Is this the truth? Yes.
The evidence that we're going tosee, whether it's the autopsies
or when, when we we find the bodies, is it going to support
what you're telling us here today?
Yeah, it's barring that I don't know what else you may see
poked, stabbed or thrown in the car, but I mean, I may have some
crush something there. You're going to find a mark on
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the tons leg and we. We did talk about the sheriff
had told you about a part of a scalp in the car.
I don't know exactly how that came about.
It may be of just thrash of me putting bodies in there.
OK, I don't know where that camefrom.
I had asked you if there'd be any broken bones and and.
You might find some now, I don'tknow.
As far as so I mean I did did. That happen before they died.
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No, no, OK with breaking bones wasn't a way to me to, I mean, I
wasn't using them at that point.I wasn't thinking at that point,
let me break bones to get what I'm going to do done.
And no, I was thinking, let me go get this done and get out of
here. Well, and and you know, you're
being recorded. Right now, that's right, yeah.
And and you know, this is voluntary, just like talking to
us here today, OK. Myself, I know.
(44:10):
But after everything we've gone over, what is it you'd like to
say about about your actions? God, I'm sorry children, I love
you. I hope I see you get something
worthy too. I'm.
Sorry. All right.
And you're willing to go with us?
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I don't know where to look. I mean, I I know the general
city. I don't know exactly where I'm
willing to try. So I'm telling you I can't.
I, I drove around with the intention that I was never going
to have to go back there and look because I was so ashamed of
what I'd done. I'll try.
I don't know if I'm going to help you.
I'll try though. I surely will.
(44:53):
Because they get a burial. I just got, I just got a couple
of just follow up questions here.
You mentioned the police officers you spoke with last
night. They could have done things a
little differently when they spoke to you.
Can you just tell us from your experience what you think they
could have done better? OK, so worse than what they did?
If if I'm being recorded can letme say this much?
(45:16):
Let me share my experience with SO.
I've done time before. OK.
I don't know that it's it's yeah, I've been put up in there
in the rubber room. No clothes, no mattress, no
nothing for the whole time. I asked him for a blanket just
to cover up because they cut theshower off of me.
I was using that to keep warm. I feel that they could have gave
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me clothes. I said give me at least
something. So there's I don't want to sound
like I'm being nitpicky. I mean, I'm not the person to be
nitpicky, but there's metal that's rusting.
I told him, guys, that produces tetanus.
I don't want to get tetanus, andthey don't care if I lay on
that. And you can see the paint was
Yeah, look, so there's the paintfrom them.
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That's just one. If I pull the shirt off, you're
probably going to find pieces onmy back.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the paint.
Well, there's also rusted metal and I'm afraid I'm going to get
tetanus, but they won't give me any blanket or any mattress.
What about the interview yesterday though?
That's that's. So the reason I stepped out on
those guys is because I don't know, they don't talk the way
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you do. There's something about your
approach that makes it very easyto speak to you.
They weren't. There was no offense.
You're intimidating. Hell, you're an FBI agent.
I'm not so apartment to talk to you.
You to me. You're here and I'm way down
here and you're going to crush me.
You're the FBI. I'm just a nobody.
Well, Tim, I feel like we've hada good talk this evening and I.
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Appreciate you thinking man, there ain't nothing good here.
Is there anything we could have done better in in how we what we
all talked about this evening? Shoot, man, I've never been
asked that question by you. Not.
I can't think of anything better, no.
You think we were. We were fair to you this evening
and and gave you an opportunity to tell your story.
(47:03):
Yes, but if there's something that you could do for me, it
would seriously be to contact mymother, help me.
Yeah, I'm, I'm if. You guys really want to help me
please do. I didn't tell you the truth
because the intention I was going to not get help.
All right. Tim, would you be willing to
speak with me in the future if I've got some more questions or
some things I'd like to talk to you about?
Yeah, I'm sure you're going to if you see the bodies.
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Yeah. OK.
That's expected. What do you mean?
Well, I mean, when you see the bodies, I'm sure you're going to
ask me more questions just because that.
You're you're willing to speak to us again if we need to speak
again. There's no reason not to at this
point. OK.
And I'm not. Accomplishing anything by
withholding the truth. Well, just for the record, I've
detected Creech with the Sheriff's Department.
I'm the case officer on this incident and I'll, I'll be back
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in touch with you. I'm sure we'll have some more
questions at some point. OK.
And with me is David Mackey withthe Federal Bureau of Event,
Federal Bureau of Investigations.
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