Full Police Interrogation of Monster Who Sexually Abused His Grandchildren 'Molested Them for Years'
December 28, 2024 • 61 mins
Full Police Interrogation of Monster Who Sexually Abused His Grandchildren 'Molested Them for Years'
Abraham Grajales was brought in for questioning in February 2017 for the sexual abuse of his two granddaughters. The abuse took place between the ages of four to 13 years old before the girls finally told their parents. Grajales faced multiple counts of abuse-related charges, but the case against him could not be proven because of no evidence or witnesses. Grajales was placed on probation for 10 years with permanent registration as a sexual predator after accepting a plea deal on seven charges. Watch the full interrogation of the family tormentor.
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Abraham Grajales was brought in for questioning in February 2017 for the sexual abuse of his two granddaughters. The abuse took place between the ages of four to 13 years old before the girls finally told their parents. Grajales faced multiple counts of abuse-related charges, but the case against him could not be proven because of no evidence or witnesses. Grajales was placed on probation for 10 years with permanent registration as a sexual predator after accepting a plea deal on seven charges. Watch the full interrogation of the family tormentor.
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Full Police Interrogation of Monster Who Sexually Abused His Grandchildren Molested Them for Years
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I said that from the time she was about four
(00:02):
years old until she was thirteen, that you had molested her, oh,
on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In February of twenty seventeen, Abraham Grahales was confronted at
his home by the police, who asked him to come
to the station for questioning. Once there, he was informed
that his two granddaughters were accusing him of molesting them
for years. The abuse took place between the ages of
four to thirteen years, until finally the girls were unable
(00:32):
to bear it any longer and told their.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Parents, all right, all right, we're gonna put your handcuffs
(00:56):
in front.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Okay, so we're gonna be more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Put you have a top of your head for a second?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Good, right, yes, you put your hands down. Huh you
put your hands down for a whole.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They got about uh, how do you feel now? Have
a little bit better listen? Yeah the latter Yeah, thank you? Good?
Just my name.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You got thank you.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Words? Take down my shirt okay, alb I need do
ring low so okay, m.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Pray anybody moved one wish huh gotta be moved one.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Why, I'm gonna put it down here and look the
custom trigger hand this way, you gon'na be more comfortable
with okay? Is that you're you want the other way?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
You look this way? You see okay? Alright, how you see?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You go up closer to the table.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Well, be.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So good.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Yeah, thank you, alright, thank.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Knock o shore everything, knock boom alright.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
This interview is being aducted by Detective O'Connor or the
Saint Claus Police Department at the Assiola County Sheriff's Office
on Tuesday, February seventh, twenty seventeen, at two thirty eight pm.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
The person being interviewed is Abraham Grahalis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Present during the interview or Abraham Gerhalis the Detective O'Connor
and Detective Bishop of the Assio County Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Abraham, can you used to set your full.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Name for me?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Abraham? Help in the Spanish not English? Okay, Abraham Hall
and your date of birth?
Speaker 7 (03:37):
I'm gonna be I gotta hey, got this object. I
can't read that again. I can't read that, I can
How do you say him?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Okay? I had many years ago in Mahart. Now I
used to work to my hat. He's my head. Okay,
I said, and the one of the boiler and I
was no in coma, but I what's so I forgot anything? Okay?
So when you're throwing up okay, good, ok thank you
for telling me that. Okay. So what is your date
(04:10):
of birth.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
H a a A.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Eighteen th lad.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
August in ployies August say keen of nineteen forty seven?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Okay, okay? And your address? Do you know your address?
My address is what you got too late? That's my
address today, all right?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Is uh.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
What's the street name?
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Okay? And where's that? What town? Okay? And what's your
phone number? You don't know your phone number? Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, I'm a SWUN law enforcement officer in the state
of Florida, and as such, I'm empowered to place persons
under oath for the official taking of statements and record.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
So when I take a statement from somebody, I have
the right and the authority to put them under oath.
Oath is when you swear to tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And as they are reading Grahala's his rights, he reveals
that he is unable to read or write. This means
extra care will have to be given to make sure
he understands what is being said. Otherwise any confession he
might make or any incriminating statements could be declared inadvisible.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Not telling the truth or telling a lie under oath
is a crime against the State of Florida.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So if you if we're talking today and you tell
me a lie, then that's a crime.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Okay. Can you raise your right hand you're dealing right hand.
Do you swear saying you're about to give me the
truth and nothing about the truth in the Vestalest'll help
you god? Okay. Now I'm gonna read you what your
rights are. Okay. You had the right to remain silent.
(06:14):
You understand what that means.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
See, Okay, anything you say Canada will be used against
you in the court of law. You have the right
to talk to a lawyer and have them present with
you before enjoying questioning. If you cannot afford to hire
a lawyer, won't be appointed to represent you at county
expense before any questioning. If you wish, if you give
up your right to remain silent and later wish to
stop answering questions, no further questions will be asked.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Do you understand that okay, Yes, where you from?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Originally? You grew up in Puerto Rico, big family, little family, okay.
And when did you come to New You went to
New York after that when you moved out of Puerto Rico.
How old were you when you moved out of Puerto Rico?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Okay, okay, So you grew up in Puerto Rico. You
went to school there?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Uh no, I don't went to sh tell you I
got our problem local lane lane.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Yeah, now we eaching. Somebody here had to help men.
Uh So I went only through turn thirty three third grade,
Puerto Rico. Okay. Then I started to house my father okay,
in the house general. And then sure times are different paths.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, so then I went I was eight seventeen,
seventeen or eighteen when.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I went to New York.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Okay, but Brookelyn Wayne Brooklyn Brooklyn. Uh they call him
William Ben. Okay, I believe it William Ben.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't know. Yeah, okay, so this is my start
of my life. What did you do for work? I
used to hear any man? Okay, so you're just fixing,
uh genans like the carpenter, m she fixes fix fixed it?
Uh nothing once you got it down or nothing? Watch
(08:05):
literally the thing?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know?
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, I never went to school really Okay, So like
electronics or anything, you can do that? Okay, No, I cannot.
I can fix thing with my hand, you know, I
can get Look. And how long you been married? Forty
six years? Forty seven years? Forty seven years? Yeah, hmm,
(08:27):
she's my hand, my ray hen. So how old were
you guys when you met? Twenty five? She was twenty.
I think she was on a nineteen.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
I was.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I don't know, maybe do any I don't about What
about before? What about before your wife? Were you married
before that? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, so you got one divorce
or two divorces? Okay? And how was john? Okay? How
long were you married?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Maybe a year?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
A year?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
How long were you together before you got married the
first way?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:07):
What I hear? So you were with you were dating
for a year and then you go no matter, we alltobout. Okay,
so just a year we're dating? And any kids?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
What's her name? Ah? And where now you leave to
choose him? Okay? When's the last time we talked to her?
Long time? Which here? Get along with me?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
No, why not?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
There's gotta be something, because really I don't see here
no more. Your mother took it, okay, and I so
when when she was eighteen? I saw a couple of times, okay.
And what about when she was a baby, like growing up?
You didn't see her growing up at all? Okay? What
(10:03):
are their names? Uh huh ah no the first one? Okay,
she's the oldest okay.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
Uh yeah, okay, then uh huh hey okay, and live
up the block from you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And move to.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Move moved? Oh yeah, okay, and where.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay admits that he doesn't have a good relationship with
his daughter but cannot give a reason. The detective picks
up on that and pursues that line of questioning and
is met the basiveness.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
You get a long okay with yeah, no problems, no problem.
What about two yeah? Okay? All right? So hmhmm you
where is it? I believe it? Okay? Uh when was
(11:28):
the last time? You say?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But uh, I say, I'd say about two months? Two months? Okay,
way so long I have old time working? Yeah, you're
working or he's working working.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
I saw not too long because we want my wife
went to see it, but I'm seeing one more about
three months so.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You don't have any issues with No, I don't know
where she was that nothing, no problems, never problems, no fights,
no arguments.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
No, Well, do you have any idea why you're here
right now?
Speaker 9 (12:14):
No?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
None, No, it's weird because we've been here for a
little while now, went to your house. You haven't asked
me why you're here. Well, I hear's then of my house.
What happened?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah, I said, I just want to talk to you,
and you want to talk to him. So I was
scared of I'll be honnat with you.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I say, maybe somebody got killed and say I did it?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
What?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Well, I don't know, because my nephew was there. I
say why they don't you guys, I don't know, did
you kill somebody? No, I don't know. Do you have
no idea?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh no?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
No? All right, Well says that you guys haven't been
getting along too good lately. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah he said that. Well, I'm not making that up.
So what's been going on? What what's the argument about?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well? I don't know what he says that is because
he always says something about the.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I don't know, really, I don't know what he what
do you say about He said, ah, you always talk
and you guy, you know, I know, I know. It's
no attentions to you. Okay, so he's mad at you
because you're talking. So so sometimes know me. But why
are you get it?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
It's nobody? Maybe my wife is christ we'll go to
church and sometimes you tell you what to do. They
don't like that, so maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
What did you tell him to do?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Would you say, go to the church, get for the kids,
things like that, you know, to say nothing, nothing about it?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
So be careful with the kids. What does that mean?
Like she always she always says she always not only
but I think I been. We're careful, you know, but
like what I mean if you're telling somebody to be
careful for something? You saw something that they did that
was not safe. So I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
What that was.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
She said, googo, we we're careful.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Then, okay, So now I'm just curious what you do nothing,
But if they're doing something that's not safe?
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Maybe no, no, okay, what is his kids' names?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
H m hm ah.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Uh okay and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Wait, yeah, the fact that grew Hollis has it been
more insistent finding out why he is there is not.
It is natural to be nervous, but curiosity usually overrides
that emotion. Oftentimes, someone who is guilty of a crime
will say nothing until they are sure why they are there.
Otherwise they might incriminate themselves needlessly if they've been asked
(15:18):
to come in on a completely unrelated matter.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Equally, okay, how old is it? Maybe? Okay? And how
old is.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
But may?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Okay? Now I know you said you had diabetes. Yeah,
do you have any other medical issues?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Non memory? Your memory.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Brooklaim sorry mahaa, simonation of my head and they think
I gotta.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Not be well? God, uh that makes you okay.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Dementia, Yeah, you had that, You've been diagnosed with that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Long time, A long? How long ago?
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
I don't know, I forgot too long. Forty years ago,
twenty years ago, i'd say about I'll say about it
forty years ago, maybe forty years ago? When thirty years ago?
So when you were in your forties you got diagnosed
with dementia. I wish no more.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
They're more fifty maybe about a fifty okay, cause yeah,
how old are you now?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Forty forty seven? You're forty seven years old.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
No, I'm surely actually seventy okay, seventy Yeah, I don't
feel that that many, and that is okay.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
If you feel like you need something to drink or
you need something to eat because of your diabetes, I
want you to tell me you got the medicine, okay,
but I want you to tell me if you need
something your drinks from.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Maybe I gotta think I mentioned when she's gone, okay,
because I used to want to set.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
High school, the Coca the house. I I gotta take
my medicine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Okay, what time are you supposed to take that?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
What whatever? Are you playing?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So m hm, that's what happened. Well, that's what I'm asking.
I want to know whether if you have a problems
with Oh I don't want no problem with it. Not no, no, no, no, where.
I don't have no problem.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So he's made some allegations against you, serious allegations.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They will.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Well, he said that he had a meeting with you.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
At your house in June, remember that this past summer,
and he was mad at you.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You remember what that was about? How you know he
went through the.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, he's I asked you why but he say, I
don't go to my house no more.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Okay, if you get you know he's mad on me
for what. I don't know. I wish I know. So
he didn't say anything else, just don't go to my
house anymore. But I don't put my things for him.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Did he say that to your wife too?
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Just you?
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Well, he says, says to.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Me, Okay, so your wife is still allowed to go there.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
You know why my wife why he stops to go
and you know he answers the phone. Okay, Oh, so
he just told you not to go there and nothing else,
nothing about why. Just I don't want you in my house.
I don't know why. And then you just shake it
off like nothing. We go you know how I can
(18:53):
be mad and then they come back. You know that
was six months ago. He says. He hasn't talked to
you since then.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
No he.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Did you talk to him on your phone?
Speaker 9 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I don't. I don't use the phone much. Yeah, okay,
so why do they talk? How are you doing?
Speaker 12 (19:15):
So?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
I don't know how to say, but she show me
that the telephone. Hi, you still haven't asked me what
it's about. I just said that. Making serious allegations about you. No,
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, I don't know, well, he says, and the girls
say that you've been molesting them. No, no, no way,
can you tell me about your address?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Tries to pass off the six month estrangement from his
son that's no big deal, and doesn't even act interested
in the reason behind it. When the reason for him
being questioned is finally given, is laughingly is off the accusation.
Most people would be shocked or offended, but he doesn't
even make a token protest of innocence.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
This is where you lived in the last few years?
Would you live before that? How long have you been?
Uh about four years? Four years? Okay? See? And then
before that? Way did you live?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It was?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
But I forgot the address? Yeah, where's that at? Is
that in the north Casemi Alamo? Okay? What the house
look like? Uh? House? It looks like I said, Well.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
How.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
How in the runch one story and two story? No
one one one one.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
One?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Uh no local floor? Yeah, and that was.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I believe, Okay, that's one story.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Actually, Okay, how long did you live there?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
We were there.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I don't know about three years, four year?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Two?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yeah? What about before that? I don't remember okay, So.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Where did you move to?
Speaker 11 (21:34):
What?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Four years?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Does an address on sounds my?
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Yeah? You lived there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Do you remember when?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't even all this? Can you ask no?
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Why?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Okay, No, it's it's not important. I was just you
do just that sound familiar?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Does that sound like a place you lived?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
What what was it?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Dave?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Again?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
What's the name?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I don't do this.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You don't think you lived there?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Did you drive?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
No?
Speaker 13 (22:22):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I don't want no lation. I never can get my dice. Then, Oh,
just a ninety car?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
For your eyes? Gray or blue?
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Green?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
They're green?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Maybeat your gray shirt that you have on. All right,
So I got a playa uh huh I got a
playa own operation.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah. Okay, So tell me about a nice good Okay.
I don't know Bye better than much? She was what
w was the less time we talked to her? The
last thing she went to the house?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
I'd say about it? Maybe about three months for a
month okay, she went to my my Yeah, so he
was there to he went there.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
They went together. They stay, they stay there, they stay
in the hell. They's something that left? Do you have
a gun. No, no guns. Oh go hmmm, because said
she saw a gun in your house, that you had
a gun. I say that, m h.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Have you ever had one?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Yeah, you can go to one.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
You don't want to find No, I don't want to
leave in that begun or pela gunn.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
No, it's well, well, I was lazy say that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I said that from the time she was about four
years old until she was thirteen, that you molested her,
Oh my god, on multiple occasions. Oh, that you touched
her vagina with your fingers, that you put your mouth
on her vagina.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Oh my god. That you forced her to You said
that you forced her to give you worl sex. Oh no,
that's so true. That you forced her to touch a penis,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
In June she.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Didn't want to go to your your house anymore, and
she started crying when she was going to be left
at your.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
House while parents went out of town for work. And
then she told what happened. And then she said, yeah,
that happened to me too. Oh my god. Why would
they say that about it.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I don't know, really, I don't know. I mean, you know,
you say because neither they said to you or I
don't believe.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That they said it? Why, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's why I want to know. That's why I'm talking
to you. So, but you got two girls saying the
same thing, are.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
You like, yeah, why why are you never say nothing?
But the other ones said the same thing too, never lived.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
With me, said that she was very young, that that
you molested her.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
Also, it's noue. She never lived with me, not even
one week. The more it took her away from me.
But why would three people call.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
This going out? Why would they do that? Even even
when I used to go to the house, he said.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Like when you're going here, But when going here, I
always said, uh, precient.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I don't like the preaching.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
My wife, Yeah, so she like to you know, talking
about the over there. You can't do that and he
never I mean, no, no, everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Once the detective starts giving specific details, Grhalez finally starts
to act as expected in this situation, although his responses
seem stiff and muted, as if he is reading a script.
The allegations are serious, and with multiple people making the claims,
Rahalis is going to have to work hard to disprove it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Oh, I wish you stay out of My basion was
you don't go you talk she made she made up right,
So everything she talked by the bike ould up. So
I told her one time, my wife, don't talk by
the body going him up from them said the only
want to just pray.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
See you don't we pray? Yeah, we can't do nothing.
Well you know this, this this is just I can
won't hit this. Also said that she thinks that your
wife was known, was known about what was going on
and what you were doing. My wife, I will know
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it's true. She said that.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You started touching her when she was four, my god,
and then when she was about eleven years old, that's
she said. She said, that's when you started performing oral
sex on her. Oh she is no, no, wait, that's
not true.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
And she said that happened very often that she's now
I can will leave this. And she said recently. The
most recent incident happened in June. In the June of
last year. And then you went to her house to
drop off.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Drop off food. Was in his room playing loud music
and she was on the phone with her friend. You
remember that, no, no, and you were knocking on the
door telling her to open the door, that you brought
food for her.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
You know, he's far away where I live, where it's
not that far for me, walken, you know. Yeah, I
don't know. Hold me foy hmm, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So she said that she was on the phone with
her friend, and the friend she had like a FaceTime
and she dropped her phone and the phone stayed.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
On and her friend was able to hear. Yeah, you
know what, I don't know. I haven't talked to her yet. Oh,
I don't know. That's not true.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And she said that you were fighting with her, that
you tried taking her pants off, oh my god, and
you were hitting her, and that.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
She was screaming for her and they came out of
the room and then you got up and you left
the room and you went down and you went out
of the room in that area.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And then.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
He asked her what was wrong, and she said that
she was just sick. And then I thought nothing of it.
But he remembers that though he remembers you being at
the house.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
One time.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
They give me when I go up with my white teeth,
I loped the dope. They got two dope, and I
always think you had the dope. Okay, but there they
always says, fool of what it?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yeah, so you go to the house and walk the
dog one dying no, no what with your feet of
this because it was out. So you go there sometimes
when they're at work, to go and feed the dog. Yeah,
have you? How do you get there? My wife right,
m So every time you go there, your wife is
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with you. Well, he's Ben.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Says that these accusations can't be true and wants them
to corroborate this with his wife. However, the victims have
already said that wife knows about these acts, so her
word is useless in this situation.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Wasn't oh I left once, you whisper maybe two years,
I don't know, two years she was. I don't see
no more. I want the way she was about eighty.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I wish I could show you right now the video
talking about you and what you what she said you
did to her. Now these are just allegations now, but
you know when she's talking about what you did to her,
she's going into such detail and she's breaking down, she's crying.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
You could see, like we've been doing this for a
little while.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I've had a lot of interviews, and I can tell
you when you when you talk to her and you
see the way she's breaking down. There's no signs that
she's being unfruitful, Like there's nothing.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Like her testimony is so sincere. You're talking to her
a way she just she kept breaking down and really
touches your heart almost like.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Almost like she completely believes it.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
That's the way.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
The way you see her tell tell what happened to her,
it's like she's reliving it. It's really it's heart wrenching,
you know, to see her recount what it happens. And
here's something I want you to hear now and think
about this because some people, when they're young, very young,
they get an early sexual experience and that stays with
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them and that becomes their preference.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
You know, when you get exposed to.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Something very early in life and it's like a disease.
And there's help for people that have this mentality that
think like this. So you know, when you get exposed
to that, you can't help yourself sometimes and you know
sometimes you know, you know, you misinterpret signals and you
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can act a certain way and not even realize what
you're doing, you know, and it's a long pattern of
hurt that you know, people need to heal after time.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Now, I know you're seventy years old. I'm sure you've
seen a lot in your life growing up.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And coming to where you are now. I can see
you know your care.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But I'm telling you that when you talk to this
girl and you see the interview where she comes off
something but two people, I know you got these two
young girls describing very similar situations.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
About you, I don't know. I understand that that's how
that has without it being true. Abraham. Let me let
me tell you, Well you hear this, you don't look shocked.
I'll be honest with you. Well, you can say that
I did, but to me, it's no true.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, you know, would you make yourself available to do
a light detector tests?
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, okay, because it's it's I tell you.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Right now, so strong against I wanted I want to.
I don't have no moaning for lawyer, but I wanted
lawyer to so we am I you know, yeah, right now?
Speaker 6 (34:18):
You do you believe it? Whether they say I says,
I can tell you I can see their face when
you talk to them. I'm telling you that they're the
way they tell their story and the hurt and the pain.
It's real, it's you can't, you can't you know, unless
but it's not real. It's not true, it's not true.
(34:40):
The girls, the girls liars? Why do they say? Okay?
But I'm not saying are they liars in general? Like
you know them to be in the past? Untruthful? Like
do they tell a lot of lies? Well, then I
would like to wa, are they bad girls? I don't
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say that boy that they may see they I hope
I say that. You know, if it's the truth, it's
the truth. Again.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
You know, she'll probab me to say that to you know,
I know it's always uh, you know, it makes your stories.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
But I don't know that guy is going to come
out with, is hey whatever?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Are you asking for a lawyer right now? Or do
you want to keep talking and you just want a
lawyer for the case?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
To you question? Like I said, I don't know how
to I don't know how.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
To read, okay, but I need I need to know.
Are you asking for a lawyer right now? Or do
you want to keep talking to us? And do you
want a lawyer for your case? I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Well, I don't know. I don't what what. I don't
know what they'll say.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I can't tell you what to say. I just need
to be clear on what you're on what you're telling me.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
You know I don't know to me, to me, I
never did that. Okay, okay, I know I never So.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, we have more questions I want to ask you,
but before we go forward, do you want a lawyer
now or do you want a lawyer to review your
case later?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Is that what you're saying, because I'm not sure what
you're saying, Well, that's my wife looks.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It may sound excessive after they have asked Grahales multiple
times if he wants a lawyer, but since he brought
up the subject himself, they have to be very careful
to ensure that if he continues speaking, it is of
his own free will and that no claim can be
made that they denied him representation.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
My mind, not idea.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Well, they were supposed to call me when your wife
got here, and I haven't been called yet, so I
don't think she's here yet.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Oh no, I need to talk to you, which I
will talk to you so.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Well.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
So I need I need yet, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
We're asking you to tell us what you.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Want, Yeah, because I know.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I can go leave it.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Even when you walk to my home, I don't know
at home. Well you got there.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
I figured somebody kills somebody and that's all you see
m TV one dying this.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Okay, Well, I'm not going to make assumptions. You keep talking,
So does that mean you want to keep talking so
we can kind of sort this out or what are
you telling us? Okay, Well, we have a couple more
questions for you. Okay, I'm kind of feet mind. I'm
kind of confused about Yeah, said that in June. He
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told you why he didn't want to have contact with you.
He said he told you that he knew what you
did to his girls. So the fact that you're acting
so surprise and shocked.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Today has me a little confused.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So that's because you're acting like you haven't heard this before,
but telling us you have heard this before.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
You do know that the girls have said this stuff before.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
No, No, that's not all so.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Flying flying lying, lying, everybody lying.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But you No, I don't say, well, I say the true.
I don't did it. See I see I say I
don't do it. I don't lie. I mean I don't
lie you because I don't did it. What are you saying?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I never told you that.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
You should have made the stories. I was like, I
will tell you.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I tell you in June because he told us that
he specifically told you that he knew what you did
to his girls.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
No, no, it's he went through the house. One was shot.
He was shot, and I asked, what's going on? I
don't know? So when I wanted I lived, walked to
the house.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Me.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
You don't give me a chance to say, what's going on?
What are you talking about? Right?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
He told me he knew at that time, he knew
what the allegations were. No, no, I don't I know.
So nobody right now.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
One way, you don't even know what's going know.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
No, I don't know if your wife knows.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
But I know that you know he said that he
specifically told you that he knows what you did to
his daughters and for you not.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
To have any contact with him.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
You say, he's all everybody know.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I don't know if he told everybody he said he
told you.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
No, No, he don't never told me. Well, you said
he was shocked. Why was shocked the way? Uh, he
just went through it.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
I always say, I don't go no one to my
house and let me tell you, I'll always when I can't,
and we always together.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
So I don't know why he says I was, I was.
I went six months without finding out why. I think
he was mad?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Me?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Has he ever been mad at you like that before?
Speaker 6 (39:50):
One time he was mad? I mean, what was that for?
Because I know a help at that time he got
the house, he was the and asking for some money.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Did he stop talking to you then?
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Believe he come back?
Speaker 8 (40:08):
How long was that?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
How long time? A long time?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
About four years ago?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Okay, but if he stops talking to you, it's because
of something serious.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
How long did he take before he went back to
talk to you again?
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Went to the house. Took me about a couple of months,
three or four months?
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Okay, well we're eight months. It's been eight months. Eight
months and he went to my house. Uh well now
I'm sorry, Yeah, eight months he said June.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
So yeah, I don't know. My wife called h Yeah,
I'm fine and w and I he got it?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Uh what I thing?
Speaker 6 (40:53):
He got a job? He go out of places. So
he says, I'm sorry, put it, I'm and some playing
fight away.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Now you said you have some memory issues. Is it
possible that this happening you don't remember?
Speaker 6 (41:10):
No, No, I got my my brother. My brother would
go to my uh this so really you know the problem. Uh,
but I know my children. You know, I know my children.
I know Dan. I Loveday, and I.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
Like I went to see We went to see him.
I honestly almost about two months the month you know. Okay,
he's working, he's me see.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
So and and and uh she called the house, you know,
I mean, okay, how everything?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Have you had any issues with or with that would
make them make this up?
Speaker 9 (42:02):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:02):
I don't know. I don't know why they make this up.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Can you tell us why they would lie about such
a thing.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
This is a big deal. It is a big deal.
Why you're a big deal?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Rahales could give no reason why his family would lie
about such a thing. The detectives try to understand why
he is acting confused about the accusations, since Rahaley's son
had already confronted him, but Rahales blusters and side steps
that particular question as much as possible.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Why they this?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
But I don't know what would they have to gain?
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Well? Right, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Can you think of anything they would have to gain
by making this up. No, have you ever heard of
make this stuff up about anybody else?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Also? So this is like now we're going to just
say it.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I remember one time my wife voice and how they
don't touch my private and my whyn't even.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
And I said to my why be careful, be careful?
What how old was she?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Then?
Speaker 8 (43:06):
I mean about having you think that's because you were
already touching her private.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
She didn't want nobody else touching her private.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
I never touched it. I never touched nobody. I believe.
Oh you believe it?
Speaker 7 (43:19):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I believe?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
You know.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
When there's more than we never had this problem. They
never say my wife, does you white?
Speaker 8 (43:31):
Thus you know, well we haven't talked to everybody else yet,
and it might be more right now we're starting with
these two.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
I can't believe this. I can't believe this. I swear
the Bibles. Well I don't did it.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
I don't so much?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
You know, maybe I'm having too much.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
No no no, no no no no no that way
you think you say it? You know, I know because
you know and and I respect. Then they spend Then
we spent me.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
To them, you know, so have you have you ever
had a penny for anything?
Speaker 9 (44:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (44:13):
I never punished that.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
No, I'm disappoint at all. Never have to spank.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
No, maybe my my my own shows. The one they
used to used to do with my life, you know,
for me, they got away with everything. Not they got
away with you know, have you ever had no never
never never never.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Never no no.
Speaker 9 (44:43):
No no.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
Believe it's uh uh m never asking them by me?
They love me.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
You know, I don't know why these even even yeah
even I never I never even when when.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
He's more than.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
I used to send them money and she never picked
the money. One thing, I just need to take the
money because she don't want the money.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
She didn't want any She didn't want anything from you
after what you did to her.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I don't do nothing to happen. I don't need nothing
to love. Then why would they?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Why did she not take money?
Speaker 7 (45:33):
You know?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
She don't want me. She want die up there? Yeah
I would have he died. She never got me and
no you see it.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
But the way I see it, she never grew out
with me, never stayed with me, you know what, never
she I used to the group.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
See she.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
So she never never, never, never live with me.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
So if you were us and.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Three different women or girl and two women, yeah, came
to you and said that someone had touched them, would
you believe them?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
I don't know. I know my sl I don't believe it.
I don't approach it.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Can you give us a reason why we should not
believe them? There's three of them.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
I don't know what happened to them. I don't know
who pulls. Then something is mine because she's saying this.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
You know she you talked to talk to well generally
kids and she's technically she's still a kid. No, no, okay,
I'm talking about generally.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
If kids make up the story, they can't stick to it,
they don't know details, and if you question them about
it too much, they are consistent in their statements.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
She is extremely consistent.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
She was asked the same question probably five different ways,
and her answer was the same every time. So there's
absolutely nothing about her statement that is unbelievable or not credible.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
I don't know who playble his mind told until what
I want. I just thought it your people.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
And never never, so never.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
The detectives let Rahales know very clearly that they believe
his family is telling the truth. Unsurprisingly, he is upset
by this, but nothing he says in his own defense,
gives them any reason to think otherwise.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
I can't die idea, And I said that is because
that's the truth. That's the truth. Okay. So let me
go over what the process is going to be.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Because her statements were so credible, You're gonna be charged
with everything that said that you did there today. You're
gonna be charged from the Saint Cloud Police Department, then
you charge from the Oscilla County Sheriff's Office, and then
as part of.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
The case with because you Orlando, the Orange County.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sheriff's Office is going to be investigating what happened with
So you got additional charges coming from everything that happened
with and potentially so if she decides to report what
happened locally, and I think they.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Were you guys were never never even closed the lot.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
You see you for that, but and and that's a
pretty strong case against you. They're making harsh allegations, Oh
my god. And these allegations are life felonies. So when
you get arrested for this, you're not going to have
a bond. And if you're convicted, you can be sentenced
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to life in prison.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
Exact to say so I'm innocent, mhm. Even I always say, but.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Here's something I like to point out to people in
a situation like, all right, these girls, they've been traumatized,
tragically traumatized. And I want you to keep in mind
going forward, as a court process goes through, they're gonna
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have to get on stand and testify and confront you
and say to your face what you did to them.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
That's gonna be like trauma to them all over again.
Speaker 7 (50:01):
Like I said, for you, they can be here. And
I say, why you say that while you lie? Okay,
this is a lie.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
You know why you say I did it when I
never did it?
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (50:14):
You know, odds are of three people coming together for
the allegations. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
When you have a situation like this, there's some level
of gain when somebody makes something up like this, there's
some game. This is nothing but loss and pain and
heartache for that family right now, they're all I'm telling you,
they're going through living hell, dealing day by day, going
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to therapy, trying to support each other, trying to understand
what happened.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
The blame.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Has put on himself for not seeing it, for not
seeing the signs that happen, a heartache that he's going
through right now.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
He's beating himself up. I could see in his eyes
he hates your guts now, all of his soul. He
used to say, you know, I thought useful I that
you might now look what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
That he trusted you with his children. He trusted you
with what mattered most to him.
Speaker 6 (51:26):
That trust. I don't view that thru which was you,
you know, and these poor kids are now traumatized.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
That relationship is over, and he's got a mend that
in his mind and make some sort of sense.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
Of what happened. You think of my age? Are you
going to do something like that when it was I?
Nobody is? You know, I don't believe I looked in
to pieces. You know too much. You know, I love
I love I love two pieces.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
You you can.
Speaker 6 (52:08):
You can listen to what.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
Okay, let's say thet's say I think that so well,
asking and the other one. You know, okay, you're going
to see them different.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Just just because you preferred one child over another doesn't No.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
No, I said that.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Even though it is repeatedly stressed how damaging this has
been for his family, Rahales shows no real emotion or
consideration for them self. Preservation has become his main focus,
which stems from the knowledge that the odds are stacked
against him. Even if the detectives don't believe him, he
doesn't stand much of a chance against a judge or jury.
Speaker 6 (52:49):
What Tranchel said, they never have fears me.
Speaker 8 (52:54):
You know, Well, here's my opinion that you knew about
this in June, that your wife knew about this in June.
Your wife could not have been more nervous when we
were at your house. She knew exactly why we were there.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
That's why she was so scared. She didn't she never asked.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
We got to go home for an interview. The follow
up question was normally what well, yeah said, Okay.
Speaker 8 (53:21):
So you've had you had six months to get it
in your head that when you came in here you
were going to deny everything, and your wife the same.
Speaker 6 (53:31):
You know, I don't deal it.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Well, this isn't like we're just surprising you with this today.
Speaker 6 (53:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
I told us you've known about.
Speaker 8 (53:38):
This for six months, so you just thought you were
lucky that the police had come to your house so
far and that you were going to get away with it,
that they weren't going to call the police on you.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
So if you're only surprised today is that we actually
showed up.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
You didn't know what was going You knew the second
that we opened that door. Your wife became extremely nervous.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
She s She said, woman, you know, she said, woman,
you don't know what's going out.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
You know, Well, I'm charging you for.
Speaker 8 (54:18):
Said that you put your penuts in her vagina once
and tried three other times.
Speaker 6 (54:25):
That's not that or sex on her, that's true.
Speaker 10 (54:30):
I'm telling you what your.
Speaker 8 (54:31):
Charges are, and that you touched her outside of her clothing.
She she said, you've done pretty much everything to her.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Since I don't know what's going out, she was able.
Speaker 8 (54:40):
To tell us what happened at what house. She described
the house, She described the room. She also told me
you were told her she were physically abusive to her
when she tried to resist.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
Trying to get away. That's so that's not true.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Her story is pretty horrible.
Speaker 6 (54:54):
Oh no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
And the and the problem is is that the molestation
is bad enough.
Speaker 8 (55:00):
Yeah, but you're someone that she was told to respect
and love and trust some of her dad, and her
dad respected the love and trust. So it's not just
that you molested her, it's that now you're going to
do all that to her and they call her a liar.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
So the person in her life, that one of the
people in her life, is why they told her to do.
Speaker 7 (55:18):
I don't call it a lie. I don't know what's
going on the head. I don't know what happened to them.
I don't know, you know, they accusing the wrong people,
the wrong.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Person, All of them are all I understand the blue decided.
That's just I don't get there.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
I don't know, you know, But.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
They have no reason to lie. They don't have anything.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
You No, it isn't money, opaediing people. So I don't
do it. You know, I don't do it, said, I
know this is a big thing. I know it's they
give it something, but UN did it. Well.
Speaker 8 (56:01):
One thing I can tell you is that the court
is going to listen to what the girls have to say.
They're gonna look to see if you have any remorse whatsoever,
which you apparently have no remorse. No, don't care about
these girls. You're not showing it here today. You're absolutely
not showing it here today. Today you're showing that I here.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
With you, and.
Speaker 6 (56:23):
I'm shut.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
You're not shocked, you know about six months, You're not.
You've known about it for six months.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
You've been say, you've been say because it's the truth,
it's the truth.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Well, your truth cannot be truth. Their truth is true.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
Well, and there's three of them in one in front
of that. I never did nothing to it, plus a.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
Brother who remembers one specific incident that she's talking about,
and probably a friend that we just found out about
yesterday we haven't had a chance to talk to that
may have hurt.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
Everything on the phone.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
So what are you gonna do? When those people come
forward it?
Speaker 6 (57:00):
They better prove it. But I never think nothing? What
do What is proof for you? In your mind? What
do you think is proof? Why they're saying it's like
you just say for me, because.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
I think in your mind you think proof is if
they got a videotape of you raping, that's.
Speaker 6 (57:17):
Proof is Why Why are they coming with his story?
Why you say it's you say not? I know I
hear you saying it's not. But you think that that's
enough to get no, not prosecuted. No, No, I know
they're going to prosecute it, and you know it's going
to be a successful prosecution. I don't know about that.
(57:39):
I don't tell you that I'm going to break them.
My God, I want to come.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
Out the truth.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
If your God is just a merciful god, it is,
then you're probably going to spend the rest of your
life in jail.
Speaker 8 (57:50):
Well, because if your God is our God, then he's
watching out for the children.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 10 (57:56):
Or there's nothing I never no, never, So sare never no,
not even not even not even one though then.
Speaker 6 (58:07):
No only kid. Yeah, see there's there's there, may be
there's one. But then they can't talk to them.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Well, hopefully they'll be sack, you know, hopefully they'll be
The tone of the comments directed at Grahals becomes harsher
in the hopes that it will provoke an emotional response.
But he is incomplete denial and it is unlikely that
he will deviate from that position.
Speaker 7 (58:34):
Well that's that's your opinion expected, but it's not my opinion.
I love them for them, I own anything for them,
But I never never, except I'll tell you that's true.
(58:59):
They never does say nothing but me did say something
about you? Now they say it.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
Or maybe maybe he believes that he believes them over you.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
He is confused, you know. I'll give you that he's confused.
There's none that this makes any sense to I love
people that I know.
Speaker 8 (59:19):
See if if you love these people, you don't hurt them.
I don't know how they believe me, and you definitely
don't betrayed.
Speaker 6 (59:25):
No, no, no, no, wait by molesting his children. I
never molested. That's true. That's not the true, that's really true.
Speaker 8 (59:33):
All right, Well, I can see you spent the last
six months playing in your story.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
So I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else?
Speaker 6 (59:42):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (59:43):
The time is now three point thirty three pm. Concluding
the interview with Abraham Gerhalis. Abraham, do you have anything
you wish to add or delete from your statement? Did
anybody threatened or intimidate you into making the statement?
Speaker 7 (59:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (59:58):
Have you made the statement voluntari? Have your own free will. No,
I gotta see a lawyer. Okay, I gotta see a lawyer.
Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
Okay, You've got no say so. I knew somebody okay, okay.
Do you feel like we tricked you into saying anything
you didn't want to say this at your job?
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Okay? But do you feel like you said anything you
didn't mean to say?
Speaker 12 (01:00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
No, no, no, I say that true?
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Okay, So I said that though?
Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
All right, all right, you know, got to go about
Oh yeah, okay, we'll get you something, will take you
over to day.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
After once again confirming that Grahal has answered their questions
of his own free will, the interview is brought to
a close. Abraham Grahales based multiple camp of various abuse
related charges, but since there was no direct physical evidence
or outside witnesses, a case against him could not be
conclusively proven. Instead, Grahales accepted a plea deal which placed
(01:01:13):
him on probation for ten years.
I said that from the time she was about four
(00:02):
years old until she was thirteen, that you had molested her, oh,
on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In February of twenty seventeen, Abraham Grahales was confronted at
his home by the police, who asked him to come
to the station for questioning. Once there, he was informed
that his two granddaughters were accusing him of molesting them
for years. The abuse took place between the ages of
four to thirteen years, until finally the girls were unable
(00:32):
to bear it any longer and told their.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Parents, all right, all right, we're gonna put your handcuffs
(00:56):
in front.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Okay, so we're gonna be more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Put you have a top of your head for a second?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Good, right, yes, you put your hands down. Huh you
put your hands down for a whole.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They got about uh, how do you feel now? Have
a little bit better listen? Yeah the latter Yeah, thank you? Good?
Just my name.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You got thank you.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Words? Take down my shirt okay, alb I need do
ring low so okay, m.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Pray anybody moved one wish huh gotta be moved one.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Why, I'm gonna put it down here and look the
custom trigger hand this way, you gon'na be more comfortable
with okay? Is that you're you want the other way?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
You look this way? You see okay? Alright, how you see?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You go up closer to the table.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Well, be.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So good.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Yeah, thank you, alright, thank.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Knock o shore everything, knock boom alright.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
This interview is being aducted by Detective O'Connor or the
Saint Claus Police Department at the Assiola County Sheriff's Office
on Tuesday, February seventh, twenty seventeen, at two thirty eight pm.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
The person being interviewed is Abraham Grahalis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Present during the interview or Abraham Gerhalis the Detective O'Connor
and Detective Bishop of the Assio County Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Abraham, can you used to set your full.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Name for me?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Abraham? Help in the Spanish not English? Okay, Abraham Hall
and your date of birth?
Speaker 7 (03:37):
I'm gonna be I gotta hey, got this object. I
can't read that again. I can't read that, I can
How do you say him?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Okay? I had many years ago in Mahart. Now I
used to work to my hat. He's my head. Okay,
I said, and the one of the boiler and I
was no in coma, but I what's so I forgot anything? Okay?
So when you're throwing up okay, good, ok thank you
for telling me that. Okay. So what is your date
(04:10):
of birth.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
H a a A.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Eighteen th lad.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
August in ployies August say keen of nineteen forty seven?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Okay, okay? And your address? Do you know your address?
My address is what you got too late? That's my
address today, all right?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Is uh.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
What's the street name?
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Okay? And where's that? What town? Okay? And what's your
phone number? You don't know your phone number? Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, I'm a SWUN law enforcement officer in the state
of Florida, and as such, I'm empowered to place persons
under oath for the official taking of statements and record.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
So when I take a statement from somebody, I have
the right and the authority to put them under oath.
Oath is when you swear to tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And as they are reading Grahala's his rights, he reveals
that he is unable to read or write. This means
extra care will have to be given to make sure
he understands what is being said. Otherwise any confession he
might make or any incriminating statements could be declared inadvisible.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Not telling the truth or telling a lie under oath
is a crime against the State of Florida.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So if you if we're talking today and you tell
me a lie, then that's a crime.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Okay. Can you raise your right hand you're dealing right hand.
Do you swear saying you're about to give me the
truth and nothing about the truth in the Vestalest'll help
you god? Okay. Now I'm gonna read you what your
rights are. Okay. You had the right to remain silent.
(06:14):
You understand what that means.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
See, Okay, anything you say Canada will be used against
you in the court of law. You have the right
to talk to a lawyer and have them present with
you before enjoying questioning. If you cannot afford to hire
a lawyer, won't be appointed to represent you at county
expense before any questioning. If you wish, if you give
up your right to remain silent and later wish to
stop answering questions, no further questions will be asked.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Do you understand that okay, Yes, where you from?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Originally? You grew up in Puerto Rico, big family, little family, okay.
And when did you come to New You went to
New York after that when you moved out of Puerto Rico.
How old were you when you moved out of Puerto Rico?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Okay, okay, So you grew up in Puerto Rico. You
went to school there?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Uh no, I don't went to sh tell you I
got our problem local lane lane.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Yeah, now we eaching. Somebody here had to help men.
Uh So I went only through turn thirty three third grade,
Puerto Rico. Okay. Then I started to house my father okay,
in the house general. And then sure times are different paths.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, so then I went I was eight seventeen,
seventeen or eighteen when.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I went to New York.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Okay, but Brookelyn Wayne Brooklyn Brooklyn. Uh they call him
William Ben. Okay, I believe it William Ben.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't know. Yeah, okay, so this is my start
of my life. What did you do for work? I
used to hear any man? Okay, so you're just fixing,
uh genans like the carpenter, m she fixes fix fixed it?
Uh nothing once you got it down or nothing? Watch
(08:05):
literally the thing?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know?
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, I never went to school really Okay, So like
electronics or anything, you can do that? Okay, No, I cannot.
I can fix thing with my hand, you know, I
can get Look. And how long you been married? Forty
six years? Forty seven years? Forty seven years? Yeah, hmm,
(08:27):
she's my hand, my ray hen. So how old were
you guys when you met? Twenty five? She was twenty.
I think she was on a nineteen.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
I was.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I don't know, maybe do any I don't about What
about before? What about before your wife? Were you married
before that? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, so you got one divorce
or two divorces? Okay? And how was john? Okay? How
long were you married?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Maybe a year?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
A year?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
How long were you together before you got married the
first way?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:07):
What I hear? So you were with you were dating
for a year and then you go no matter, we alltobout. Okay,
so just a year we're dating? And any kids?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
What's her name? Ah? And where now you leave to
choose him? Okay? When's the last time we talked to her?
Long time? Which here? Get along with me?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
No, why not?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
There's gotta be something, because really I don't see here
no more. Your mother took it, okay, and I so
when when she was eighteen? I saw a couple of times, okay.
And what about when she was a baby, like growing up?
You didn't see her growing up at all? Okay? What
(10:03):
are their names? Uh huh ah no the first one? Okay,
she's the oldest okay.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
Uh yeah, okay, then uh huh hey okay, and live
up the block from you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And move to.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Move moved? Oh yeah, okay, and where.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay admits that he doesn't have a good relationship with
his daughter but cannot give a reason. The detective picks
up on that and pursues that line of questioning and
is met the basiveness.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
You get a long okay with yeah, no problems, no problem.
What about two yeah? Okay? All right? So hmhmm you
where is it? I believe it? Okay? Uh when was
(11:28):
the last time? You say?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But uh, I say, I'd say about two months? Two months? Okay,
way so long I have old time working? Yeah, you're
working or he's working working.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
I saw not too long because we want my wife
went to see it, but I'm seeing one more about
three months so.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You don't have any issues with No, I don't know
where she was that nothing, no problems, never problems, no fights,
no arguments.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
No, Well, do you have any idea why you're here
right now?
Speaker 9 (12:14):
No?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
None, No, it's weird because we've been here for a
little while now, went to your house. You haven't asked
me why you're here. Well, I hear's then of my house.
What happened?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah, I said, I just want to talk to you,
and you want to talk to him. So I was
scared of I'll be honnat with you.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I say, maybe somebody got killed and say I did it?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
What?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Well, I don't know, because my nephew was there. I
say why they don't you guys, I don't know, did
you kill somebody? No, I don't know. Do you have
no idea?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh no?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
No? All right, Well says that you guys haven't been
getting along too good lately. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah he said that. Well, I'm not making that up.
So what's been going on? What what's the argument about?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well? I don't know what he says that is because
he always says something about the.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I don't know, really, I don't know what he what
do you say about He said, ah, you always talk
and you guy, you know, I know, I know. It's
no attentions to you. Okay, so he's mad at you
because you're talking. So so sometimes know me. But why
are you get it?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
It's nobody? Maybe my wife is christ we'll go to
church and sometimes you tell you what to do. They
don't like that, so maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
What did you tell him to do?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Would you say, go to the church, get for the kids,
things like that, you know, to say nothing, nothing about it?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
So be careful with the kids. What does that mean?
Like she always she always says she always not only
but I think I been. We're careful, you know, but
like what I mean if you're telling somebody to be
careful for something? You saw something that they did that
was not safe. So I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
What that was.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
She said, googo, we we're careful.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Then, okay, So now I'm just curious what you do nothing,
But if they're doing something that's not safe?
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Maybe no, no, okay, what is his kids' names?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
H m hm ah.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Uh okay and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Wait, yeah, the fact that grew Hollis has it been
more insistent finding out why he is there is not.
It is natural to be nervous, but curiosity usually overrides
that emotion. Oftentimes, someone who is guilty of a crime
will say nothing until they are sure why they are there.
Otherwise they might incriminate themselves needlessly if they've been asked
(15:18):
to come in on a completely unrelated matter.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Equally, okay, how old is it? Maybe? Okay? And how
old is.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
But may?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Okay? Now I know you said you had diabetes. Yeah,
do you have any other medical issues?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Non memory? Your memory.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Brooklaim sorry mahaa, simonation of my head and they think
I gotta.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Not be well? God, uh that makes you okay.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Dementia, Yeah, you had that, You've been diagnosed with that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Long time, A long? How long ago?
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
I don't know, I forgot too long. Forty years ago,
twenty years ago, i'd say about I'll say about it
forty years ago, maybe forty years ago? When thirty years ago?
So when you were in your forties you got diagnosed
with dementia. I wish no more.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
They're more fifty maybe about a fifty okay, cause yeah,
how old are you now?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Forty forty seven? You're forty seven years old.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
No, I'm surely actually seventy okay, seventy Yeah, I don't
feel that that many, and that is okay.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
If you feel like you need something to drink or
you need something to eat because of your diabetes, I
want you to tell me you got the medicine, okay,
but I want you to tell me if you need
something your drinks from.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Maybe I gotta think I mentioned when she's gone, okay,
because I used to want to set.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
High school, the Coca the house. I I gotta take
my medicine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Okay, what time are you supposed to take that?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
What whatever? Are you playing?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So m hm, that's what happened. Well, that's what I'm asking.
I want to know whether if you have a problems
with Oh I don't want no problem with it. Not no, no, no, no, where.
I don't have no problem.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So he's made some allegations against you, serious allegations.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They will.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Well, he said that he had a meeting with you.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
At your house in June, remember that this past summer,
and he was mad at you.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You remember what that was about? How you know he
went through the.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, he's I asked you why but he say, I
don't go to my house no more.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Okay, if you get you know he's mad on me
for what. I don't know. I wish I know. So
he didn't say anything else, just don't go to my
house anymore. But I don't put my things for him.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Did he say that to your wife too?
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Just you?
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Well, he says, says to.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Me, Okay, so your wife is still allowed to go there.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
You know why my wife why he stops to go
and you know he answers the phone. Okay, Oh, so
he just told you not to go there and nothing else,
nothing about why. Just I don't want you in my house.
I don't know why. And then you just shake it
off like nothing. We go you know how I can
(18:53):
be mad and then they come back. You know that
was six months ago. He says. He hasn't talked to
you since then.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
No he.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Did you talk to him on your phone?
Speaker 9 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I don't. I don't use the phone much. Yeah, okay,
so why do they talk? How are you doing?
Speaker 12 (19:15):
So?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
I don't know how to say, but she show me
that the telephone. Hi, you still haven't asked me what
it's about. I just said that. Making serious allegations about you. No,
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, I don't know, well, he says, and the girls
say that you've been molesting them. No, no, no way,
can you tell me about your address?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Tries to pass off the six month estrangement from his
son that's no big deal, and doesn't even act interested
in the reason behind it. When the reason for him
being questioned is finally given, is laughingly is off the accusation.
Most people would be shocked or offended, but he doesn't
even make a token protest of innocence.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
This is where you lived in the last few years?
Would you live before that? How long have you been?
Uh about four years? Four years? Okay? See? And then
before that? Way did you live?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It was?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
But I forgot the address? Yeah, where's that at? Is
that in the north Casemi Alamo? Okay? What the house
look like? Uh? House? It looks like I said, Well.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
How.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
How in the runch one story and two story? No
one one one one.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
One?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Uh no local floor? Yeah, and that was.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I believe, Okay, that's one story.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Actually, Okay, how long did you live there?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
We were there.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I don't know about three years, four year?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Two?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yeah? What about before that? I don't remember okay, So.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Where did you move to?
Speaker 11 (21:34):
What?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Four years?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Does an address on sounds my?
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Yeah? You lived there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Do you remember when?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't even all this? Can you ask no?
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Why?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Okay, No, it's it's not important. I was just you
do just that sound familiar?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Does that sound like a place you lived?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
What what was it?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Dave?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Again?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
What's the name?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I don't do this.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You don't think you lived there?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Did you drive?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
No?
Speaker 13 (22:22):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I don't want no lation. I never can get my dice. Then, Oh,
just a ninety car?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
For your eyes? Gray or blue?
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Green?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
They're green?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Maybeat your gray shirt that you have on. All right,
So I got a playa uh huh I got a
playa own operation.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah. Okay, So tell me about a nice good Okay.
I don't know Bye better than much? She was what
w was the less time we talked to her? The
last thing she went to the house?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
I'd say about it? Maybe about three months for a
month okay, she went to my my Yeah, so he
was there to he went there.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
They went together. They stay, they stay there, they stay
in the hell. They's something that left? Do you have
a gun. No, no guns. Oh go hmmm, because said
she saw a gun in your house, that you had
a gun. I say that, m h.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Have you ever had one?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Yeah, you can go to one.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
You don't want to find No, I don't want to
leave in that begun or pela gunn.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
No, it's well, well, I was lazy say that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I said that from the time she was about four
years old until she was thirteen, that you molested her,
Oh my god, on multiple occasions. Oh, that you touched
her vagina with your fingers, that you put your mouth
on her vagina.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Oh my god. That you forced her to You said
that you forced her to give you worl sex. Oh no,
that's so true. That you forced her to touch a penis,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
In June she.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Didn't want to go to your your house anymore, and
she started crying when she was going to be left
at your.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
House while parents went out of town for work. And
then she told what happened. And then she said, yeah,
that happened to me too. Oh my god. Why would
they say that about it.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I don't know, really, I don't know. I mean, you know,
you say because neither they said to you or I
don't believe.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That they said it? Why, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's why I want to know. That's why I'm talking
to you. So, but you got two girls saying the
same thing, are.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
You like, yeah, why why are you never say nothing?
But the other ones said the same thing too, never lived.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
With me, said that she was very young, that that
you molested her.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
Also, it's noue. She never lived with me, not even
one week. The more it took her away from me.
But why would three people call.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
This going out? Why would they do that? Even even
when I used to go to the house, he said.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Like when you're going here, But when going here, I
always said, uh, precient.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I don't like the preaching.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
My wife, Yeah, so she like to you know, talking
about the over there. You can't do that and he
never I mean, no, no, everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Once the detective starts giving specific details, Grhalez finally starts
to act as expected in this situation, although his responses
seem stiff and muted, as if he is reading a script.
The allegations are serious, and with multiple people making the claims,
Rahalis is going to have to work hard to disprove it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Oh, I wish you stay out of My basion was
you don't go you talk she made she made up right,
So everything she talked by the bike ould up. So
I told her one time, my wife, don't talk by
the body going him up from them said the only
want to just pray.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
See you don't we pray? Yeah, we can't do nothing.
Well you know this, this this is just I can
won't hit this. Also said that she thinks that your
wife was known, was known about what was going on
and what you were doing. My wife, I will know
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it's true. She said that.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You started touching her when she was four, my god,
and then when she was about eleven years old, that's
she said. She said, that's when you started performing oral
sex on her. Oh she is no, no, wait, that's
not true.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
And she said that happened very often that she's now
I can will leave this. And she said recently. The
most recent incident happened in June. In the June of
last year. And then you went to her house to
drop off.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Drop off food. Was in his room playing loud music
and she was on the phone with her friend. You
remember that, no, no, and you were knocking on the
door telling her to open the door, that you brought
food for her.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
You know, he's far away where I live, where it's
not that far for me, walken, you know. Yeah, I
don't know. Hold me foy hmm, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So she said that she was on the phone with
her friend, and the friend she had like a FaceTime
and she dropped her phone and the phone stayed.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
On and her friend was able to hear. Yeah, you
know what, I don't know. I haven't talked to her yet. Oh,
I don't know. That's not true.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And she said that you were fighting with her, that
you tried taking her pants off, oh my god, and
you were hitting her, and that.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
She was screaming for her and they came out of
the room and then you got up and you left
the room and you went down and you went out
of the room in that area.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And then.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
He asked her what was wrong, and she said that
she was just sick. And then I thought nothing of it.
But he remembers that though he remembers you being at
the house.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
One time.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
They give me when I go up with my white teeth,
I loped the dope. They got two dope, and I
always think you had the dope. Okay, but there they
always says, fool of what it?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yeah, so you go to the house and walk the
dog one dying no, no what with your feet of
this because it was out. So you go there sometimes
when they're at work, to go and feed the dog. Yeah,
have you? How do you get there? My wife right,
m So every time you go there, your wife is
(30:23):
with you. Well, he's Ben.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Says that these accusations can't be true and wants them
to corroborate this with his wife. However, the victims have
already said that wife knows about these acts, so her
word is useless in this situation.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Wasn't oh I left once, you whisper maybe two years,
I don't know, two years she was. I don't see
no more. I want the way she was about eighty.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I wish I could show you right now the video
talking about you and what you what she said you
did to her. Now these are just allegations now, but
you know when she's talking about what you did to her,
she's going into such detail and she's breaking down, she's crying.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
You could see, like we've been doing this for a
little while.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I've had a lot of interviews, and I can tell
you when you when you talk to her and you
see the way she's breaking down. There's no signs that
she's being unfruitful, Like there's nothing.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Like her testimony is so sincere. You're talking to her
a way she just she kept breaking down and really
touches your heart almost like.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Almost like she completely believes it.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
That's the way.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
The way you see her tell tell what happened to her,
it's like she's reliving it. It's really it's heart wrenching,
you know, to see her recount what it happens. And
here's something I want you to hear now and think
about this because some people, when they're young, very young,
they get an early sexual experience and that stays with
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them and that becomes their preference.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
You know, when you get exposed to.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Something very early in life and it's like a disease.
And there's help for people that have this mentality that
think like this. So you know, when you get exposed
to that, you can't help yourself sometimes and you know
sometimes you know, you know, you misinterpret signals and you
(32:45):
can act a certain way and not even realize what
you're doing, you know, and it's a long pattern of
hurt that you know, people need to heal after time.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Now, I know you're seventy years old. I'm sure you've
seen a lot in your life growing up.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And coming to where you are now. I can see
you know your care.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But I'm telling you that when you talk to this
girl and you see the interview where she comes off
something but two people, I know you got these two
young girls describing very similar situations.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
About you, I don't know. I understand that that's how
that has without it being true. Abraham. Let me let
me tell you, Well you hear this, you don't look shocked.
I'll be honest with you. Well, you can say that
I did, but to me, it's no true.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, you know, would you make yourself available to do
a light detector tests?
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, okay, because it's it's I tell you.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Right now, so strong against I wanted I want to.
I don't have no moaning for lawyer, but I wanted
lawyer to so we am I you know, yeah, right now?
Speaker 6 (34:18):
You do you believe it? Whether they say I says,
I can tell you I can see their face when
you talk to them. I'm telling you that they're the
way they tell their story and the hurt and the pain.
It's real, it's you can't, you can't you know, unless
but it's not real. It's not true, it's not true.
(34:40):
The girls, the girls liars? Why do they say? Okay?
But I'm not saying are they liars in general? Like
you know them to be in the past? Untruthful? Like
do they tell a lot of lies? Well, then I
would like to wa, are they bad girls? I don't
(35:01):
say that boy that they may see they I hope
I say that. You know, if it's the truth, it's
the truth. Again.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
You know, she'll probab me to say that to you know,
I know it's always uh, you know, it makes your stories.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
But I don't know that guy is going to come
out with, is hey whatever?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Are you asking for a lawyer right now? Or do
you want to keep talking and you just want a
lawyer for the case?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
To you question? Like I said, I don't know how
to I don't know how.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
To read, okay, but I need I need to know.
Are you asking for a lawyer right now? Or do
you want to keep talking to us? And do you
want a lawyer for your case? I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Well, I don't know. I don't what what. I don't
know what they'll say.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I can't tell you what to say. I just need
to be clear on what you're on what you're telling me.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
You know I don't know to me, to me, I
never did that. Okay, okay, I know I never So.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, we have more questions I want to ask you,
but before we go forward, do you want a lawyer
now or do you want a lawyer to review your
case later?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Is that what you're saying, because I'm not sure what
you're saying, Well, that's my wife looks.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It may sound excessive after they have asked Grahales multiple
times if he wants a lawyer, but since he brought
up the subject himself, they have to be very careful
to ensure that if he continues speaking, it is of
his own free will and that no claim can be
made that they denied him representation.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
My mind, not idea.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Well, they were supposed to call me when your wife
got here, and I haven't been called yet, so I
don't think she's here yet.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Oh no, I need to talk to you, which I
will talk to you so.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Well.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
So I need I need yet, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
We're asking you to tell us what you.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Want, Yeah, because I know.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I can go leave it.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Even when you walk to my home, I don't know
at home. Well you got there.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
I figured somebody kills somebody and that's all you see
m TV one dying this.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Okay, Well, I'm not going to make assumptions. You keep talking,
So does that mean you want to keep talking so
we can kind of sort this out or what are
you telling us? Okay, Well, we have a couple more
questions for you. Okay, I'm kind of feet mind. I'm
kind of confused about Yeah, said that in June. He
(37:28):
told you why he didn't want to have contact with you.
He said he told you that he knew what you
did to his girls. So the fact that you're acting
so surprise and shocked.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Today has me a little confused.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So that's because you're acting like you haven't heard this before,
but telling us you have heard this before.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
You do know that the girls have said this stuff before.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
No, No, that's not all so.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Flying flying lying, lying, everybody lying.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But you No, I don't say, well, I say the true.
I don't did it. See I see I say I
don't do it. I don't lie. I mean I don't
lie you because I don't did it. What are you saying?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I never told you that.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
You should have made the stories. I was like, I
will tell you.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I tell you in June because he told us that
he specifically told you that he knew what you did
to his girls.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
No, no, it's he went through the house. One was shot.
He was shot, and I asked, what's going on? I
don't know? So when I wanted I lived, walked to
the house.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Me.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
You don't give me a chance to say, what's going on?
What are you talking about? Right?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
He told me he knew at that time, he knew
what the allegations were. No, no, I don't I know.
So nobody right now.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
One way, you don't even know what's going know.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
No, I don't know if your wife knows.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
But I know that you know he said that he
specifically told you that he knows what you did to
his daughters and for you not.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
To have any contact with him.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
You say, he's all everybody know.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I don't know if he told everybody he said he
told you.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
No, No, he don't never told me. Well, you said
he was shocked. Why was shocked the way? Uh, he
just went through it.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
I always say, I don't go no one to my
house and let me tell you, I'll always when I can't,
and we always together.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
So I don't know why he says I was, I was.
I went six months without finding out why. I think
he was mad?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Me?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Has he ever been mad at you like that before?
Speaker 6 (39:50):
One time he was mad? I mean, what was that for?
Because I know a help at that time he got
the house, he was the and asking for some money.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Did he stop talking to you then?
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Believe he come back?
Speaker 8 (40:08):
How long was that?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
How long time? A long time?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
About four years ago?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Okay, but if he stops talking to you, it's because
of something serious.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
How long did he take before he went back to
talk to you again?
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Went to the house. Took me about a couple of months,
three or four months?
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Okay, well we're eight months. It's been eight months. Eight
months and he went to my house. Uh well now
I'm sorry, Yeah, eight months he said June.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
So yeah, I don't know. My wife called h Yeah,
I'm fine and w and I he got it?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Uh what I thing?
Speaker 6 (40:53):
He got a job? He go out of places. So
he says, I'm sorry, put it, I'm and some playing
fight away.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Now you said you have some memory issues. Is it
possible that this happening you don't remember?
Speaker 6 (41:10):
No, No, I got my my brother. My brother would
go to my uh this so really you know the problem. Uh,
but I know my children. You know, I know my children.
I know Dan. I Loveday, and I.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
Like I went to see We went to see him.
I honestly almost about two months the month you know. Okay,
he's working, he's me see.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
So and and and uh she called the house, you know,
I mean, okay, how everything?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Have you had any issues with or with that would
make them make this up?
Speaker 9 (42:02):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:02):
I don't know. I don't know why they make this up.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Can you tell us why they would lie about such
a thing.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
This is a big deal. It is a big deal.
Why you're a big deal?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Rahales could give no reason why his family would lie
about such a thing. The detectives try to understand why
he is acting confused about the accusations, since Rahaley's son
had already confronted him, but Rahales blusters and side steps
that particular question as much as possible.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Why they this?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
But I don't know what would they have to gain?
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Well? Right, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Can you think of anything they would have to gain
by making this up. No, have you ever heard of
make this stuff up about anybody else?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Also? So this is like now we're going to just
say it.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I remember one time my wife voice and how they
don't touch my private and my whyn't even.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
And I said to my why be careful, be careful?
What how old was she?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Then?
Speaker 8 (43:06):
I mean about having you think that's because you were
already touching her private.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
She didn't want nobody else touching her private.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
I never touched it. I never touched nobody. I believe.
Oh you believe it?
Speaker 7 (43:19):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I believe?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
You know.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
When there's more than we never had this problem. They
never say my wife, does you white?
Speaker 8 (43:31):
Thus you know, well we haven't talked to everybody else yet,
and it might be more right now we're starting with
these two.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
I can't believe this. I can't believe this. I swear
the Bibles. Well I don't did it.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
I don't so much?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
You know, maybe I'm having too much.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
No no no, no no no no no that way
you think you say it? You know, I know because
you know and and I respect. Then they spend Then
we spent me.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
To them, you know, so have you have you ever
had a penny for anything?
Speaker 9 (44:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (44:13):
I never punished that.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
No, I'm disappoint at all. Never have to spank.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
No, maybe my my my own shows. The one they
used to used to do with my life, you know,
for me, they got away with everything. Not they got
away with you know, have you ever had no never
never never never.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Never no no.
Speaker 9 (44:43):
No no.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
Believe it's uh uh m never asking them by me?
They love me.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
You know, I don't know why these even even yeah
even I never I never even when when.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
He's more than.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
I used to send them money and she never picked
the money. One thing, I just need to take the
money because she don't want the money.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
She didn't want any She didn't want anything from you
after what you did to her.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I don't do nothing to happen. I don't need nothing
to love. Then why would they?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Why did she not take money?
Speaker 7 (45:33):
You know?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
She don't want me. She want die up there? Yeah
I would have he died. She never got me and
no you see it.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
But the way I see it, she never grew out
with me, never stayed with me, you know what, never
she I used to the group.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
See she.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
So she never never, never, never live with me.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
So if you were us and.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Three different women or girl and two women, yeah, came
to you and said that someone had touched them, would
you believe them?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
I don't know. I know my sl I don't believe it.
I don't approach it.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Can you give us a reason why we should not
believe them? There's three of them.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
I don't know what happened to them. I don't know
who pulls. Then something is mine because she's saying this.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
You know she you talked to talk to well generally
kids and she's technically she's still a kid. No, no, okay,
I'm talking about generally.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
If kids make up the story, they can't stick to it,
they don't know details, and if you question them about
it too much, they are consistent in their statements.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
She is extremely consistent.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
She was asked the same question probably five different ways,
and her answer was the same every time. So there's
absolutely nothing about her statement that is unbelievable or not credible.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
I don't know who playble his mind told until what
I want. I just thought it your people.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
And never never, so never.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
The detectives let Rahales know very clearly that they believe
his family is telling the truth. Unsurprisingly, he is upset
by this, but nothing he says in his own defense,
gives them any reason to think otherwise.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
I can't die idea, And I said that is because
that's the truth. That's the truth. Okay. So let me
go over what the process is going to be.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Because her statements were so credible, You're gonna be charged
with everything that said that you did there today. You're
gonna be charged from the Saint Cloud Police Department, then
you charge from the Oscilla County Sheriff's Office, and then
as part of.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
The case with because you Orlando, the Orange County.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sheriff's Office is going to be investigating what happened with
So you got additional charges coming from everything that happened
with and potentially so if she decides to report what
happened locally, and I think they.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Were you guys were never never even closed the lot.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
You see you for that, but and and that's a
pretty strong case against you. They're making harsh allegations, Oh
my god. And these allegations are life felonies. So when
you get arrested for this, you're not going to have
a bond. And if you're convicted, you can be sentenced
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to life in prison.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
Exact to say so I'm innocent, mhm. Even I always say, but.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Here's something I like to point out to people in
a situation like, all right, these girls, they've been traumatized,
tragically traumatized. And I want you to keep in mind
going forward, as a court process goes through, they're gonna
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have to get on stand and testify and confront you
and say to your face what you did to them.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
That's gonna be like trauma to them all over again.
Speaker 7 (50:01):
Like I said, for you, they can be here. And
I say, why you say that while you lie? Okay,
this is a lie.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
You know why you say I did it when I
never did it?
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (50:14):
You know, odds are of three people coming together for
the allegations. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
When you have a situation like this, there's some level
of gain when somebody makes something up like this, there's
some game. This is nothing but loss and pain and
heartache for that family right now, they're all I'm telling you,
they're going through living hell, dealing day by day, going
(50:42):
to therapy, trying to support each other, trying to understand
what happened.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
The blame.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Has put on himself for not seeing it, for not
seeing the signs that happen, a heartache that he's going
through right now.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
He's beating himself up. I could see in his eyes
he hates your guts now, all of his soul. He
used to say, you know, I thought useful I that
you might now look what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
That he trusted you with his children. He trusted you
with what mattered most to him.
Speaker 6 (51:26):
That trust. I don't view that thru which was you,
you know, and these poor kids are now traumatized.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
That relationship is over, and he's got a mend that
in his mind and make some sort of sense.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
Of what happened. You think of my age? Are you
going to do something like that when it was I?
Nobody is? You know, I don't believe I looked in
to pieces. You know too much. You know, I love
I love I love two pieces.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
You you can.
Speaker 6 (52:08):
You can listen to what.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
Okay, let's say thet's say I think that so well,
asking and the other one. You know, okay, you're going
to see them different.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Just just because you preferred one child over another doesn't No.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
No, I said that.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Even though it is repeatedly stressed how damaging this has
been for his family, Rahales shows no real emotion or
consideration for them self. Preservation has become his main focus,
which stems from the knowledge that the odds are stacked
against him. Even if the detectives don't believe him, he
doesn't stand much of a chance against a judge or jury.
Speaker 6 (52:49):
What Tranchel said, they never have fears me.
Speaker 8 (52:54):
You know, Well, here's my opinion that you knew about
this in June, that your wife knew about this in June.
Your wife could not have been more nervous when we
were at your house. She knew exactly why we were there.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
That's why she was so scared. She didn't she never asked.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
We got to go home for an interview. The follow
up question was normally what well, yeah said, Okay.
Speaker 8 (53:21):
So you've had you had six months to get it
in your head that when you came in here you
were going to deny everything, and your wife the same.
Speaker 6 (53:31):
You know, I don't deal it.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Well, this isn't like we're just surprising you with this today.
Speaker 6 (53:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
I told us you've known about.
Speaker 8 (53:38):
This for six months, so you just thought you were
lucky that the police had come to your house so
far and that you were going to get away with it,
that they weren't going to call the police on you.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
So if you're only surprised today is that we actually
showed up.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
You didn't know what was going You knew the second
that we opened that door. Your wife became extremely nervous.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
She s She said, woman, you know, she said, woman,
you don't know what's going out.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
You know, Well, I'm charging you for.
Speaker 8 (54:18):
Said that you put your penuts in her vagina once
and tried three other times.
Speaker 6 (54:25):
That's not that or sex on her, that's true.
Speaker 10 (54:30):
I'm telling you what your.
Speaker 8 (54:31):
Charges are, and that you touched her outside of her clothing.
She she said, you've done pretty much everything to her.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Since I don't know what's going out, she was able.
Speaker 8 (54:40):
To tell us what happened at what house. She described
the house, She described the room. She also told me
you were told her she were physically abusive to her
when she tried to resist.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
Trying to get away. That's so that's not true.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Her story is pretty horrible.
Speaker 6 (54:54):
Oh no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
And the and the problem is is that the molestation
is bad enough.
Speaker 8 (55:00):
Yeah, but you're someone that she was told to respect
and love and trust some of her dad, and her
dad respected the love and trust. So it's not just
that you molested her, it's that now you're going to
do all that to her and they call her a liar.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
So the person in her life, that one of the
people in her life, is why they told her to do.
Speaker 7 (55:18):
I don't call it a lie. I don't know what's
going on the head. I don't know what happened to them.
I don't know, you know, they accusing the wrong people,
the wrong.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Person, All of them are all I understand the blue decided.
That's just I don't get there.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
I don't know, you know, But.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
They have no reason to lie. They don't have anything.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
You No, it isn't money, opaediing people. So I don't
do it. You know, I don't do it, said, I
know this is a big thing. I know it's they
give it something, but UN did it. Well.
Speaker 8 (56:01):
One thing I can tell you is that the court
is going to listen to what the girls have to say.
They're gonna look to see if you have any remorse whatsoever,
which you apparently have no remorse. No, don't care about
these girls. You're not showing it here today. You're absolutely
not showing it here today. Today you're showing that I here.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
With you, and.
Speaker 6 (56:23):
I'm shut.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
You're not shocked, you know about six months, You're not.
You've known about it for six months.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
You've been say, you've been say because it's the truth,
it's the truth.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Well, your truth cannot be truth. Their truth is true.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
Well, and there's three of them in one in front
of that. I never did nothing to it, plus a.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
Brother who remembers one specific incident that she's talking about,
and probably a friend that we just found out about
yesterday we haven't had a chance to talk to that
may have hurt.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
Everything on the phone.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
So what are you gonna do? When those people come
forward it?
Speaker 6 (57:00):
They better prove it. But I never think nothing? What
do What is proof for you? In your mind? What
do you think is proof? Why they're saying it's like
you just say for me, because.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
I think in your mind you think proof is if
they got a videotape of you raping, that's.
Speaker 6 (57:17):
Proof is Why Why are they coming with his story?
Why you say it's you say not? I know I
hear you saying it's not. But you think that that's
enough to get no, not prosecuted. No, No, I know
they're going to prosecute it, and you know it's going
to be a successful prosecution. I don't know about that.
(57:39):
I don't tell you that I'm going to break them.
My God, I want to come.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
Out the truth.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
If your God is just a merciful god, it is,
then you're probably going to spend the rest of your
life in jail.
Speaker 8 (57:50):
Well, because if your God is our God, then he's
watching out for the children.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 10 (57:56):
Or there's nothing I never no, never, So sare never no,
not even not even not even one though then.
Speaker 6 (58:07):
No only kid. Yeah, see there's there's there, may be
there's one. But then they can't talk to them.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Well, hopefully they'll be sack, you know, hopefully they'll be
The tone of the comments directed at Grahals becomes harsher
in the hopes that it will provoke an emotional response.
But he is incomplete denial and it is unlikely that
he will deviate from that position.
Speaker 7 (58:34):
Well that's that's your opinion expected, but it's not my opinion.
I love them for them, I own anything for them,
But I never never, except I'll tell you that's true.
(58:59):
They never does say nothing but me did say something
about you? Now they say it.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
Or maybe maybe he believes that he believes them over you.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
He is confused, you know. I'll give you that he's confused.
There's none that this makes any sense to I love
people that I know.
Speaker 8 (59:19):
See if if you love these people, you don't hurt them.
I don't know how they believe me, and you definitely
don't betrayed.
Speaker 6 (59:25):
No, no, no, no, wait by molesting his children. I
never molested. That's true. That's not the true, that's really true.
Speaker 8 (59:33):
All right, Well, I can see you spent the last
six months playing in your story.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
So I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else?
Speaker 6 (59:42):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (59:43):
The time is now three point thirty three pm. Concluding
the interview with Abraham Gerhalis. Abraham, do you have anything
you wish to add or delete from your statement? Did
anybody threatened or intimidate you into making the statement?
Speaker 7 (59:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (59:58):
Have you made the statement voluntari? Have your own free will. No,
I gotta see a lawyer. Okay, I gotta see a lawyer.
Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
Okay, You've got no say so. I knew somebody okay, okay.
Do you feel like we tricked you into saying anything
you didn't want to say this at your job?
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Okay? But do you feel like you said anything you
didn't mean to say?
Speaker 12 (01:00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
No, no, no, I say that true?
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Okay, So I said that though?
Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
All right, all right, you know, got to go about
Oh yeah, okay, we'll get you something, will take you
over to day.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
After once again confirming that Grahal has answered their questions
of his own free will, the interview is brought to
a close. Abraham Grahales based multiple camp of various abuse
related charges, but since there was no direct physical evidence
or outside witnesses, a case against him could not be
conclusively proven. Instead, Grahales accepted a plea deal which placed
(01:01:13):
him on probation for ten years.
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