December 31, 2024 • 59 mins
Police Sergeant Doubled as Serial Rapist | Jeffrey Pelo FULL Police Interrogation
Jeff Pelo was a 17 year veteran of the Bloomington Police Department but he was more than that. He turned out to be a serial rapist, he broke into and terrorized 3 different women in Bloomington. He stalked them, checked their records, ran their plates to know where they were and finally to each of them broke into their house, bound them with duct tape, covered their heads with a pillow case and raped them. Afterwards he would make them bathe and clean up the house, including getting rid of the sheets. He knew how to cover his tracks because of all of his training as a police officer.
One night his third victim's dog was barking like crazy and because she had had a feeling she was being followed weeks before she didn't hesitate to call the police. Another officer arrived finding Jeff Pelo outside this woman's house. The officer was shocked and concerned at the sight of this brother in arms but did the proper thing and took him in. After being interrogated for a couple of hours and Jeff repeating his innocence they decided to do a voice matching. Jeff was told to read off of a script that included things that the attacker of the women had said but it wasn't the only thing the women recognized, it was his piercing blue eyes. One look at those and they knew.
Jeff was tried and found guilty of 35 counts of rape and stalking. He received one of the top sentences in Bloomington history of 440 years. He is now where he belongs.
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Jeff Pelo was a 17 year veteran of the Bloomington Police Department but he was more than that. He turned out to be a serial rapist, he broke into and terrorized 3 different women in Bloomington. He stalked them, checked their records, ran their plates to know where they were and finally to each of them broke into their house, bound them with duct tape, covered their heads with a pillow case and raped them. Afterwards he would make them bathe and clean up the house, including getting rid of the sheets. He knew how to cover his tracks because of all of his training as a police officer.
One night his third victim's dog was barking like crazy and because she had had a feeling she was being followed weeks before she didn't hesitate to call the police. Another officer arrived finding Jeff Pelo outside this woman's house. The officer was shocked and concerned at the sight of this brother in arms but did the proper thing and took him in. After being interrogated for a couple of hours and Jeff repeating his innocence they decided to do a voice matching. Jeff was told to read off of a script that included things that the attacker of the women had said but it wasn't the only thing the women recognized, it was his piercing blue eyes. One look at those and they knew.
Jeff was tried and found guilty of 35 counts of rape and stalking. He received one of the top sentences in Bloomington history of 440 years. He is now where he belongs.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's almost too frightening to imagine this man obsessively stalking women,
sneaking into their homes, assaulting them, forcing them to perform
this bizarre cleansing ritual. But what may be most disturbing
is who the attacker turned out to be, A man
who understood what happens in the box all too well,
that is, until he slipped up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is always going to be with me.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It was the worst night of twenty five year old
Christy mills young life, woken from a dead sleep by
the outline of a large man standing over her bed
with a gun.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I was in.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Shock, absolute shock.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I looked at the door and saw the light there,
and something just didn't seem right. So that's what I saw.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Okay, what does he say to you?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
He said that I'm only here to burglarize you. I
don't want to hurt you, but if you scream, if
you make any noise, I'll shoot you. And the next
thing I remember is he was on top of me
in the bed. He actually taped all the way around
my head so that I wouldn't be able to open
my mouth at all, tape over my eyes so you
couldn't see I couldn't see. And then he actually took
(01:13):
the pillowcase off my pillow and put it over my
head as well.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
That must have been scary.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Extremely he seemed very assertive when he talked, not like
somebody who's, you know, panicking. He seemed like he really
knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The man sexually assaulted Christie for forty five minutes, then
shoved her into the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The water was running in the bathtub. I started to
panic and I thought he was going to shoot me
in the bathtub. Just over a month for my twenty
sixth birthday, and I was going to die.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Did you know why he was putting it in the bathtub?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I didn't. I thought he was going to kill me.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Christy was forced to take a long bath, told to
wash carefully as her rapist calmly walked about her apartment,
hiding her cell phone, removing the sheets from her back
before slipping away.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I got out of the bathtub, took the pillowcase off
and ripped the tape off my eyes. Was trying to
pull the tape off and couldn't get it off. If
I actually ripped hanks the hair out to get it off,
and then I called ed one one.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Two years later, across town, the rapist found another victim.
Is fourth.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I awoke to someone coming in my room.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And Sarah, a twenty seven year old restaurant manager, was
attacked by the masked intruder just six weeks before her wedding.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
At the beginning, it was gone to my head and
I have two my throat. Every single thing he did,
he was physically threatening. He knew everything about me, what
my sister looks like, to car, my husband, drove my
work schedule, he knew where I worked out, pretty much everything.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
As with Christy, he was careful binding her hands, covering
her head with a pillowcase, and again like Christy, he
forced her into the bathroom for a long soak to
wash away the evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All I could think about was I can't have someone
call my family, my fiance, my parents, my siblings and
tell them that I've been killed six weeks before I
get married.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Although the rapist had wiped clean the physical evidence, he
could not erase the details Sarah had memorized about him, his.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Height, weight, way he carried himself. He had very distinct,
bright blue eyes. I knew, you know, I would be
able to pick them out as soon as I saw
that person.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
That's cool. This isn't the way you wanted this to happen,
all right. We wanted you to come down here in
your own a kind of suffody, said, chat all that
kind of stuff. Unfortunately it didn't happen that way.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You wrote down with the senor with me, and.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
As you know, we have rules that we have to
go by. Just as you know, you're very familiar with
all this stuff. You know it's going all kind of stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
We want to talk about what's going on because we're
not absolutely sure what's going on.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Okay, all right, what are you talking about? I have
to read your rights first. Rest. At this point, you're
not free to go. At this point, we're not free
(04:55):
to go. I'm on our rest. Well, we're in a
custodial situation.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
That's why I'm read your rights right, because you gave them,
because you came down.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Here in their color. I don't know where we're gonna go.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
I don't know where we're gonna I don't know where
we're going, what's going on? Even know what you're talking about.
I understand that, yeah, and you understand just like I
do that. I can't talk about anything until we get right.
You have the right treatment silent people say.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
It can use against you in a court of law.
You have the rights. Talk to a learn, have one
present with you.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Let any question if you can afford to hire, lay
represent question, if.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You wish you can decide any time to exercise these rights.
Ancer questions that make any statements. Do you understand what
those rights? I explained you, Yes, of course I didn't.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Have those flights of money. You wish to speak with
me about? What's okay? Well, last night, all right, there was.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
An issue that came up, right, I'm don't the.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Southwest side of town. All right, you know what I'm
talking about. There's a it's a I don't want to
hear what you have.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
To say about it, and I'm really hoping there is
a good explanation for it.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
All I did.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
You get up with the plasaus and alast night you're
talking about Zeo When I was walking around by the
leg looking at the leg down.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
There, Yeah, I drove down there. I couldn't sleep. All right,
houses coming for sale in that area all the time.
I'm interested in buying money. Brother own the house she
lives up in. Really she's you know she's poor, she's
on fixed income. I wanted to boast her to us
(06:54):
houses going for sale. There's a town right there for sale.
It won't work, but anyway, I was looking to see
what kind of access with onto that lake.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
That's all all right. I was starting to walk around
the parts walk down, looked at the lake when I
was leaving where the market.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
I don't know the name of the street, but it
wasn't right there where you were at.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
It was by the lake. That lake is goes behind
those houses. You know, you won't.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Understand how difficult the situation this is for everyone in yourself.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Really, yes, I understand.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
And.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Here, regardless of what you know, our feelings are towards.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Each other, and I think we've always got along. We
speak openly about them.
Speaker 10 (07:50):
There's just some things that happened that night that just
doesn't add up, No, Jeff, you know, as.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
A former investigating yourself, that there are things that we know, okay,
such as the way that.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
You mean you're freaking the home.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Why would you be Why would you be in between
two houses looking at it. I couldn't keep going straight.
There's a dreamings thing that goes down the lake. I
couldn't keep walking, so I walked up. The dog started
work in the hot health. So I walked in between
the houses and go through the road.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Right he comes around. I thought maybe it was a home.
I was like, I don't want to startle you know.
He started piece. I turned to walk back down. He
said stop. Police. I was like, oh, hell, what's good.
I can run and walk back. Chef.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Why you know, it was being a police officer that
that kind of that kind of thing is not within
the morning. We don't as police officers, we don't walk
around at twelve thirty at night in the morning walking
in between the high I wouldn't. I'm off between the houses.
I was either like that, I couldn't keep going. So
I walked up between the houses. That's it, I mean,
(09:10):
that is it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
That's it. Think about what you're telling me. I am
thinking about what I'm telling you the truth. I went
down there. What what kind of public access is down there?
I walked. I started going to the west side, but
there's fences, are saying.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I come back around the other way. All right again,
I can't go a little further. There's a dreamings thing
that comes down. It feels that like overflow. I guess
I don't know whatever it is. So I started, you know,
in the dog started parking. So I walked up fween
the houses, go up to the road, and yes, to be.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
On the road. So I'm not walking in between you know.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
It's just well wait, wait a minute, but you weren't
on the road until I was going going in the road,
all right.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That's what I was walking up to, was go up
to the road, walk down my truck and drive away.
Was done looking at the lake. There's no access going
down to the lake. So okay too, Okay, we're past
the point.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
Of you were there, right, you rether than that that
you were there, Yes, in between those.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Two houses, yes, all right, right, I was just walking
from the place up to the Okay, if you get
a call someone walking in between two houses and twelve
thirty in the morning, I don't know what call brought
him out there, Yes, of course.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Of course. I mean the person that called this in.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Has everybody in the world to do this, correct. I
have no idea who called it in, all right. What
they called him wasn't me, all right, he said last
night somebody knocked on somebody's door.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I didn't knock on anybody's door. I did knock on
anybody's door. I did not. I don't know what else
you're trying to allege here. I don't want to jump
to some kind of conclusion. All this isn't about because
(11:10):
I was rocking. I walked up from that lay up between.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Those two houses. Absolutely, I'm sorry. Absolutely, you know I
don't know what else you're talking about. We're talking about
you standing up with your back to the.
Speaker 11 (11:27):
The house and trying not to be identified what your
back up against the house, and not trying to be seen.
As David walks by. I was rocking up.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I saw something coming, so I stopped. I turned to.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Go back again. The dogs barking out. US might think
I was doing something wrong, he said, stop police. I
was like bowing hill, So I turned on walked it.
I wasn't standing with my back against no house. Well,
I think you're minimizing I'm not minimizing him, he said,
stop police, because they're.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
A little bit more than that. No, that's what he said.
You didn't see the gun yet. No, you run where
Peo pulled a gun him. I did not know he
did that. No, I did not want to turn and
(12:30):
walk forwards him so we could see where it was.
And then I wasn't a threat. Well, you know, his
hands at his side. He was like, we talked for
for what? We talked for a moment? What did you
talk about? He asked me what I was doing? That
told him what I was doing there. You were there
(12:52):
to look for us at twelve thirty. I'm interested in
houses in that area. There's that lake.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I was looking to see what kind of access there
is balance that way. My mother is just able. I
mean she's she can work and she can't walk too far. Well,
I hadn't seen the access down there, I mean off
the coats.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I keep going down there.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
But as far as a stomach sign up going down there,
I did see one. I was gonna walk back around
and then both my truck. See you, you know all
all the things we say. You've been sitting in this
chair before. All I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Is that what you need to do is think.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
About just exactly what you're saying before you answer, before
you before you jump.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Back with a conclusion.
Speaker 9 (13:47):
Jeff, you need to think about what you're saying. You
need to think about what the scenario was.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Right there, you meet John's with him. Haven't you done?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
I mean, I mean, I think I need to take
a step further. Okay, because the lady scared to death,
scared time I'm thinking about the lady. But what I'm
telling you, what I'm telling you is, I'm telling you
she was scared to death. She was an absolute basket case.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
It wasn't for me.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
What, Yes, you were in between the houses. You were
in between the houses. What if this would have happened
between the houses and Zeeman was there. That's the only
time I've been between the houses.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
What if this would have happened? Would you be a
little bit concerned? I think? But I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
The only time I walked between those two houses was
when I was walking from the lake, you know. And
but that's what that's where you and that's when I
met them. That's when where you and officer of Zemo.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
And what you said. But whenever the lady was scared
of it wasn't me, it was you.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
How can I eas the one time I was between
the houses when I walked up and see her, is
that she's already.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Caught Jeff, Zeemra had already been throughout the whole area.
You were the only person there. It was twelve thirty in.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
The morning, right, it was twelve thirty morning.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
The only time I walked up between the houses, all right,
those two houses, those on her came all right, I
mean I walked up before I walked for the lake
between the houses.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
They're seeing them.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Honestly, I'm not go I scared for of them, because
that's the only time I was there.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
But you wanted out of there quick. You didn't stop.
I mean, he said, I'm here looking. Do you think it?
Let's just run all the way down the line. He's
on a car. But not mistake there with you, Jeff,
(16:04):
never mind. I mean it just it is just right
down the line, right down one line.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I mean he's called out there, all right, there's nobody
else out there but you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
This lady has someone prowling around her windows. She's a
very attractive young lady.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It wasn't me. I wasn't prowling around anyone's windows. I
wasn't prowling around at all. Again, when the dogs work, well,
I need to going by the road, and that's my
walk between the house. So what makes you decide to
look at the houses at one on twelve thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I wasn't looking at the houses. I'm interested in the
house in the area. I was looking at that lake.
That is all. I mean, that's all I really, I
just do.
Speaker 13 (16:59):
Want I we most police officers, and we as human
beings know the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
It's yes, it is put in your head from I
understand they want all right.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I did not walk between that again. The only time
I walked between those two houses. That's when I walked.
I was down with the lake.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I can't do. So I wrapped up to go up
to the road. That's it. And when I wrapped up
there somebody comes from them. All right. Okay, who were
you wearing last night? A T shirt? Shorts, flip laps
and sums, flip love sandals? Okay?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Did your T shirt had a been writing on? I
don't remember what my shirt had.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
What color?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Is sure?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Liby short? I think they were in my black shorts. Okay,
you're carrying anything else with no nothing? Nothing?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Kah?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
What were my parties? Where were they in my pocket?
Speaker 10 (18:18):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Jeff, I.
Speaker 14 (18:25):
Just I'm always like you, I understand that, and then
and and you understand how difficult this is for I
understand how difficult it is for you and everybody both.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I understand I and Butt doing anything wrong. But I'm
a realist. I'm a realist. I understand. And I think
there's a whole lot more going.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
On here than work and and and I And that's
my deft singing a stay along and in talk. But
I understand, all right, there's something right here that you know.
You're a police officer, you know the right from rome,
and I understand. I think you did wrong last night,
(19:08):
and you think you did wrong last night.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
And I don't know why you did wrong, because he
didn't do anything.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
What walking up from that length towards the road is
the right thing to do at that point. I mean,
I can't go over for the dog, Okay, So I
walked up there. I mean, I mean, if it wasn't
for the thing, I just walked around the light, went
right back to where my trunk was at.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean, that is all I'm not. You know, I'm
not minimizing you. You were you. No, I'm not. I'm
not tenomizing anything. I just want I mean, I don't
know how simple it is. It's not it's it's not
that simple. I didn't I all cham of any kind.
(19:48):
It's not said. It's not that. I mean that's it.
It's not that. I mean she is a you know,
attractive way. I don't very serious. And like I said,
I know you know, I've seen you. I've seen how
you you take a genuine interest in people.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Okay, and I think if you knew what you did
to this person, because.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm telling you, she's your drink and did not do anything.
You were right? Were you getting by there? And I
wrapped up it from the lake between the houses on
the road, Yes, I did. You were live right? Yes?
Yes I was there. You look in front of my officers. Yes, yes,
(20:45):
he was there. I was wrapping up. Okay, okay, let's
just go with this and crame or first of all, is.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
There any reason that you can know me why David
Zeerra would lie about this situation, Because I tell you what,
he's freaked out too, because you're.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
One of his men wors all right, you're one of
his mental wors he is.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
I don't know how I freaked out. You don't know
how I freaked out? Well, I mean, he couldn't even
hardly talk, he was so.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Upset by the situation. He talked about how you were,
you know, one of his mentors, you ft O trained sergeant.
All right, and I mean he looked up to you,
all right. I understand that, all right?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
And okay, So getting back to the question, is there
any reason why David Zebra would lie about what.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Happened on this Let's just have no idea why would
absolutely reason. I had no idea. Absolutely, he has no
reason why. All right. As a matter of fact, you
call him off the second, you know, after he confronted you.
I have to do one. I don't have any reason why.
Speaker 15 (22:08):
Hm.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Everybody has their battles and everybody has their process. Tom there,
I understand, all.
Speaker 16 (22:18):
Right, and you you're.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
You know where we're getting it. No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
You don't know what I'm talking about. A young, very
attractive female. I don't know who you're talking about, all right.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
She's the white man almost you haven't.
Speaker 13 (22:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I have no idea who's lives? And I in those houses?
A right, I wasn't interested in those I'm sure you
had no idea. I wasn't interested in those houses. You
weren't interested in the lake access?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Right? Come on, my chef, I mean, yes, I mean
that's a that is just a.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
It doesn't make sense to anyone, all right, it doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Again, it doesn't. Yes, it makes sense to me, because
that's why what they're to do. Right, if I'm going
to look at a lake access, I'm not going to
do it twelve all right, portuation times. But that's why
I did it, all right, I just walked down there,
(23:29):
right years? What are you seventeen years? Yeah, seventeen years
of being a police officer, I understand. And you don't
think that that is a a severe error in judgment
to being alright in between two houses.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
At twelve thirty in the mornings as doing walking late
to the road. All right, you're implying on doing something
exchagous between the houses. And I wanted to do this
wapping from up the road. I said, that's exactly what
I'm playing.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
That's it. That's going to the officer seever who has
who you agreed to says theays, no reason to lie
about this.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Says that you were up against the house and he
had and he had to he had to call for
you three different times.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Now, he didn't fight different times. And then you turned
around and one the other way.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Okay, when I saw the figure standing standing, I said,
I just turned him walked back, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Even okay, what did he say to you then? When
you return around and he was looking? What did he
say to you then? Stop? Police? And what else was
he saying? To stop? Please let me see your hands.
I don't everything he said. I said stop please.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I realized, oh please, So I turned up back, all right.
I mean, I if I realized at first he was
he was.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
He was just kept blacking my toward. But I miss
thought it was was somebody living us. That's it. Yeah,
you know it's not that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Because the scenario doesn't feel you know, that's m.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
And you're kind of also, But I think you've seen
me interview enough people that I'm just want something is wrong,
something's wrong.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I understand you think something's wrong. I'm convinced someone wrong.
Ever scared that woman was not to me, all right.
The only time I watch people that is when I
encounter officers.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Either, that's it, all right. I wasn't there before that
at any of her time. Whatever scared her, whatever it was, right,
whoever it was, was not me. I would did not
do it. I was not the one that was up there,
all right.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I wrapped up between my houses and when there was
even all right, all right.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But again it's but I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You don't understand, because I understand it is your sitting trying.
You're sitting there trying and saying I've done something wrong.
I mean, you're saying, I'm telling you I didn't do
anything wrong. I wasn't there doing anything intent. Whatever struggle
was not mean, wasn't mean. Uh okay, let me just entertained.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
But it wasn't. Let me just entertainment for a second. Jeff,
who wasn't I don't know. I have no idea what
it was at twelve thirty in the morning. Who was it?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
I do not know.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
But everyone else has been up here telling us say
I will buy that house at twelve thirty last night,
except for Jeff Peelo.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And Jeff Pielo says himself, you know I was there, Yes,
I was there, all right.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
An officer Zebra tells him, paints a different picture. All right,
I know he's a lady of number nine. She paints
another picture. I mean it, all right, this is a
this is the only time. I went up between those
houses one and watched from the lake looking at stop
all right, looking for the Did you stop? Did I
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stop wearing in between the hoss.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
H? I don't understand what you're asking.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
When I walked from the bank and walked up and
made officers, did I stop between the.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Houses prior to seeing the officers? Ever to do stop
between the houses? No?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I stopped when I saw the figure at the front
of the house. They turned out it was him. I stopped,
turned walk away. That's when he out stopped. Okay, so
what you're saying is that you're mocking on two houses
to wards. Officer ze you saw him, He turned around
and he said stop.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
That's that's the.
Speaker 16 (28:20):
Let's go back to how of sir Zeem. What reason
would he have to tell us something of us are true?
Why would he tell us a different story of what
happened in between those houses?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I have no idea.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Well, we've already we've already established that he has no
reason to lie about it, right, we.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Have no reason. Definitely, Yeah, you've done this long enough,
you're smart enough, i'd and you.
Speaker 17 (29:00):
Know exactly where we're sitting here, and those are things
that you need to do, and there are things that
you need to take responsibility for and give this things done.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You've let me tell you, Jeff, let me.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Tell you point blank, You've hurt two people in the
last twelve hours, and you've hurt them deeply.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
In David's ebra in this female. Yes, I did not
hurt that female.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I did.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
I don't even know anything about that female. I wasn't
the one time. The only time I went between those
two houses is when I want the plank to But
that's not what David is saying. I don't know what
his perception of the situation was, he has Did I
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pause and turn and go the way? Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Did?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I realized if I realized at first that it was
a police officer, I wouldn't want to pass out and
kept on.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Period. He I wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
W I had nothing to hide if I realized it
was a police officer, anyone or anybody.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I just kept on out. When he broke stry, I
thought it was someone who lived that was like ups,
I said, Dad was barking.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
I thought it was some of the others, like you
were going to try to get away from the person
who was looking at it.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
But yeah, I just walk out and started, Hi, Look,
I'm saying I'm still things in your two rights. Obviously
it doesn't make sense. I'm just being real with the job,
and I understand. I don't know what else to tell you.
I wasn't doing anything wrong. I hadn't, I did not.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You want to talk about what between those houses is
when I walked up in an officer senior. I did
not do anything in anybody anywhere last night period.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
All right.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I don't know what you're trying to rite here. I
did not do make nothing to anybody at any point
in time.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
All right. I'm not looking in someone's windows. I'm not
doing any of that. I walked down by it, like
when I said, that's what you said a minute ago,
that you were.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Looking at You said if somebody was walking around looking
at this woman's hot.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Windows, it was not me, whoever it was. I had
no not include I go, oh, God, didn't know what's what?
I don't know that, you know. I don't know how
else to say it. All right, all right, the truth
is the truth. I've already told it to you, and
that's that. I don't know what to do. Excuse me
for getting cussed off here, but I didn't do anything wrong,
all right. I did not do anything wrong period. I
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don't know how else to put it. I don't know
how else to do it. I don't. I don't well,
as as it's happened in the past, you know, And
I'll just tell you. I'll tell you point by. I
don't think the story is exactly the weird telling. I don't.
I don't know what Dave sim told you, all right.
Speaker 18 (31:41):
I don't know what his perception of it was, but
the want tells his perception is right on, Jeff, his
perception is right on, exactly right.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
On again and here and here's the real story of
it all. Joe, you're the one who has to answer
for it, not David Zeeber.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
David Zeemer was on patrol another leg.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Anything wrong, all right, right, I'm not again, I don't
know what his perception of it was. I didn't any
want to if I had no real attempt. My eye
get was wrapped in that lake and up between those houses.
All right. You know. Now I'm sitting in an interview
room and choose from in frontinal obviously I should turn
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the whack fifty feet walked up the the cult des
actors written that colds. Yeah, colts acts right there. Obviously
should have done what it shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Wap on the way back to where there's no houses,
I am wrapped up to the cult des act.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Obviously that's where you know, I'm looking back on PERHAPSUS Russia.
Oh my god, it's not much. Is that why you game? Marole?
Did damp loved to see the spillway. There's no spillway there.
What don't you call that?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
At the end of the cult said, all right, is
that the way you went around the ridge house would
come down off of whatever.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I can't know which street is we come down. I
didn't want it. So I walked up on the street
whatever that street is called. I can't remember the name
of the street, and right down to what I pulled
the sack is.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Looked at that townhouse and did not I didn't go
up to the windows of the townhouse. I looked at
it from the distance, see if too slowly, where it was,
if that's the one was for sale?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
It was. I walked down by the lake, started going
on the west side. It's like, no, no, want to
go way.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
So I started to come around on the east side,
walked around that's where the little spillway thing comes down
in there in west still way down. I realized, okay,
I can't cross that. That's when I turn and walked
in the house. Well, actually I went down in the ways,
realized that went back. You know, the one house had
a fence, I believe.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
So I walked back.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yes, there's one house wrapped up between the houses. And
that's why knots was even what what will be dragging
last night might pick up drum.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
M hm.
Speaker 14 (34:29):
M hmm.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
What would you take them in and think about what
we're talking about. Because if you take them in and
then you think about it and you don't have to
think about it, that's what happened. You put all the
things together that happened, all right, and you come up
to a conclusion. How it may seem.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is not.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
It's just a coincidence. It's, yes, the coincidence. I didn't
do anything wrong last night. I didn't do anything to anyone.
Speaker 19 (35:08):
Again, you didn't do anything. I didn't think any one
thing to anyone. Did anybody ever says you did anything?
You said I terrorized two people.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, I didn't understanding anyone. All right, let me back
up again and I talk to them. Oh, there are
real things in the real scenarios. Jeff, if this is
happening to your wife, would you say that you didn't
do anything? That person didn't do anything to your wife.
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I didn't do anything to anyone. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
You're asked you as you make a comparison, and I
have absolutely no idea what you're talking about as far
as what happened to that moment.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I'm not a part of it. I don't want anything
about it. I don't want anything about it.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I obviously, if somebody was terrorizing my wife, I want
to do something about it.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I was terrorizing no one. I didn't do anything anything.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Well, let me let me ask your definition of terrorizing
somebody mere open from that lake and whappen up between those.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Houses and meeting answers in is not terrorizing someone? Okay,
I'll give you that. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I'll give you that that's the extent of what I did,
other than back by the lection if if that's what happened,
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
That's not that's what happened. Well, but we have others
who say otherwise. Two others, two others, Jeff, I.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Mean this is something that you're gonna have to You
can't just explain why I can't explain what I didn't
do anything.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Okay, let's go back to you define what terrorizing is terrorizing?
If someone's looking in your window, is that terrorizing? I
wasn't looking anyone. I wasn't, right, did you see anybody
else out there? No?
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I wasn't looking for anyone else, right, I mean at
one in the morning, you would I want to say
that was somebody else.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Out there that said they, but not before I was
at yet? All right, if they're up on the road
or up between houses where I'm not, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I wouldn't see them. I think we're I think we're
getting mixed up on. But yeah, there was somebody else
there when I first put up there, someone to walk
her dog. I'm screened up.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I don't know streat up right.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But ye know, ka, I think we're getting two different
ideas of what terrorizing somebody else.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
You keep on saying I didn't do anything, but I
didn't do anything to anyone. Okay, I'm not saying.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
That this person was, you know, someone go into their
house or anything like that, right, that's saying.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
That I'm not saying that she was physically attacked or
like that. I'm glad. I'm glad. Nothing like that, right, however,
but for a young female having someone looking in her
windows or trying her doors is But I didn't do
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anything like that, all right. I didn't do anything like that,
all right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do anything like that. Yeah,
I sumly looked at that l wrapped in between househouses.
If the spill it wouldn't been wrapped around in right. Again,
I I did not do anything to anyone. Oh m,
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I didn't do anything anyone. I know. That's what you're saying.
That's what happened. It's not what I'm saying. That's what
I didn't done. But that's not what two other people say.
What do the other two people say? Right?
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Well? A, okay, yes, single events is a lot different
than your sequence, A lot different, all right, And.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I'm too important and let.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
Me really right, that just flipped him out, because I
don't know how I flipped them out, but he was
flipped up.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
He said, you want yourself. That wasn't my story. I
wouldn't be myself, Eider.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
If a police officer get in front of me at
twelve thirty and in between two thousands, and then we
can't just kind of about the way.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
He says, you don't hear how bark and set off right? Yeah,
down by the lady. Yeah, the dog's work is up,
and she came dogs working out on the work.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
Was that okay?
Speaker 13 (40:14):
House?
Speaker 20 (40:14):
The dog was just dog working and why does she
have any reason and called down here and say, hey,
this is what's happening in my house.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Not longs but twice and also again I don't know
who was messing with the lady.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
It was not to me.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Obviously. If somebody's messing with her at whatever fashion it was,
I don't know. Of course she should call okay, but
we've already established there was nobody else there.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That you Jeff, Heavenly, I did not do established. I
don't terrorize anybody as your body.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
I didn't do anything right obviously. My mistake was again
like I said, I walked between those houses to go
to the road as opposed to going further down.
Speaker 16 (41:10):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
That's it, h I know, and you know it's there's
no there's not not what you gonna have. That's all.
I did not do anything else. There is did not
do anything else. I did not do anything anyone, all right,
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you know what specifically happened, I don't know. I did not.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Have time.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
I walked between those houses. Kay, I my apologies. I
don't know anybody, you know. Yes, I'm not gonna polize
being angry. I mean the Kams to doing something I
had nothing to do with. M hm oh h h.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
You know, we're at the point where you know, you
have got to be thinking that this isn't some fishing expedition.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
We just didn't pick you out of the clear low
sky to come in here, right correct. Obviously, Again, the
only thing I did was walk from the lake in
between two houses out to up to the road out
to the office room. And when I really saw is
up there and turn to go back, and that's what
he says, and turn on. Came back to it.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But we're leaving out this, We're leaving out you. We're
standing in the was the one of our bets that
did not occur? And an officer that the front of
the area twice that did not and then you turning
out and walking away.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Did I turn right here? And he says, stun, show
me your hands, and he is and I mean, you've
been in the your you I understand, you have been
in your weapons guy here before military, I understand. And
you're telling me you hadn't known somebody he's back with.
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I wasn't paying attention to that. You weren't paying attentions
and to see said stop and I said, ooh, it's
the play turn and walked up there. That's that. I
talked him a few minutes. And I'm not even a
few minutes. All right. You know he's obviously on a
call up. H. There's problems. There's all cans of problems.
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And you know I'm not I'm not here to sit
here and tell you that it's all rosy and all
that kind of stuff. But no, and you know where
I'm coming from, because I told you I am not
buying what you're telling me. I have one second, for
one second, you know you I've done this for a
(43:57):
long time. But you yes, I you went there for
a long time. And I and I evenything wrong. I
call you, I know, and you know what how many
times have we said in here and listen to somebody
for hours? Ninety some way I did. I'm not looking
here for hours? And then and then you know, have
all the behaviors and all the things that happening.
Speaker 21 (44:19):
You know, you were not Sergeant Pilo last night. You
were absolutely somebody else. And we considure, and you can.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Say this is what I did, and I consider and
say this is what we know till the cows come on.
But you know, you know in your heart exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yes, yes, I went down work it that way, We
op the printer's houses, go back to the road and
on my truck.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
What happened. That was the only time I was between
those houses. And say when we talked other lest like,
does she know that you were doing? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
She was asleep on my left. I was studying for
the test. Were taking a day. I couldn't sleep, shaved,
couldn't sleep, you know what.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
One for a long drive. While I was driving at
I went back to look at that blake. I told
you why I was there. That was it. That was
its nless you've been looking for house three mom moment.
(45:44):
We've discussed it several times. Maybe you looked at any
other loans. I've looked at something.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
About where I live at. Yes, though we're probably from
the ship all right, Oh, they're not. They're not ranches.
I'd love to you really further down from there, the
one that takes care of it. Very the same style
of houses, all right, But again the little expitson new
my community.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
In Downds, No, No, in downs Brother, down the street,
down street, the name of it, down Strike, I can't
remember the name of it. There's a treaty Ville that
will not community. Little. Yeah, it's got the little building.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Yeah, it's got the little shacks about one hundred thirty
five thousand dollars and not worth that. But right in
this town, they're all And that's about the lost you
get that's up along the best side of town.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
I'm not doing that. And you said she's in rooming, Yes,
she's looked. I've looked.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
In see.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Oh yeah, that would be totally normal form you have
to do. Just to go ahead and twelve three in
the morning. And I can't predict to you what she's
going to say. You've been married to her, she had,
she's she's the mother of your children. I understand. I
do not predict you what she's going to say. You
don't think that she knows you, Yeah she doesn't. Is
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she going to say that that would be normal behavior
for you to do. It's not. Is it normal that
I do that? No? All right?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (47:25):
M with? I don't know how else to say it.
I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And at some point, Hm, at some point, you've got
a wife, and I understand, two children again, three children.
I didn't do anything to him.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
What the lady was, I didn't do anything to her, right,
I wouldn't do anything to anybody, mhm.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
In different lives, we all lead different lines. Again, I
don't know what you're applying there, all right, I did
you If I'm not applying, I'm saying I don't.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
I don't need a sinister life of some kind. I
didn't turn anything wrong, Wow, I didn't. I didn't do
anything to anyone.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
I don't. I didn't do anything to anyone. It didn't.
It did not, it did not, it did not. I
don't h I did not. I just don't think it
has a good content sense right, honestly, well into your house.
But that's not what common sense wasn't.
Speaker 14 (48:50):
All right?
Speaker 22 (48:50):
Did I have it was sense in my heart when
I went between those two houses. No, I had no
doing it in my heart at all? As night or
any other. All right, let me ask let me ask you.
All right, let's let's look at another scenario.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Let me let me.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
This light is we look at another scenario. What happened
last night is what happened. I didn't want to do anything.
I didn't want to do anything to anyone, And Jeff,
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
Think that is not exactly what happened. Okay, I've seen
this lady. Okay, Like I said, let me give you
a different scenario.
Speaker 9 (49:28):
I've seen this lady. She's an extraordinary attractor. I haven't
seen I having no.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
Idea she is. As you're walking through the two houses,
do you see anybody in the windows? I'm not looking
at anyone those I didn't see anything.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
I'm not saying I'm looking in the windows like that's
not I'm not saying you're looking at the windows. I
wasn't even walking next the house. I was walking next
year didn't even have windows on that side. Jeff, Okay,
I know, Remember, I know theo answers to my question.
I understand, all right, all right, how fu a part
of these houses? I don't I didn't meatione them.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
I don't know. They're not very far your standard house.
They're closer than.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Your standard house, yes, unless you know the old side
of town where they're really close to each other. The
house I was walking next year didn't even have windows
on that side the house, all right, the house of
where I had windows.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
I didn't walk next to those windows. I brought over here.
I'm not clearing looking at anybody's windows. I walked in
the way. I was walking onto the road. That's that,
but that's not that's not you know, worship your tit.
This guy did something I didn't. I didn't do anything
mot Larry. Here is the you're even not doing anything.
(50:43):
I understand. All right, here's the bottom line. I didn't anything.
That's bottom line. That's not the bottom all right. I
didn't do anything to anyone period. I didn't. I mean
you you have to understand I underting now. This is
a bad situation, A very bad situation. Right. I walked
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in the twenty the two houses going up the road. Again.
You know, I wasn't mother spillway. I wouldn't even wap
between those two houses. I of whack further and I
wacked up at sometimes the time I'm trying to wapping
in the two houses i'mhere to get up from that lady,
all right. When again, when I wacked between those two houses,
it's I'm not doing it to look at anybody, was
not doing it to do anything other than get the road, period.
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I don't know how I did not do anything more.
I just you know, in this situation, if you bought,
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bought and paid for it, I didn't do anything time.
Speaker 9 (51:57):
You know, there's just too much, too much because because
everyone else has no to your motives or all.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
To your means or anything like that, not even say
something that isn't.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
Neither this girl would have just assume if JE don't
ever come into her life.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
It wasn't in that today saying I don't even know
that everything else. I can't even tell you which house
she was in, all right. I don't know what car
pevement to. I didn't ask him anything frict he came
here a pet. And you know that whoever that lady
called on was not me. I do not go between
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those houses prior to the time I worked from the
lake up. All right.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Whoever whatever she's saying, it was not me. I have
no idea what her navigation is. I have no idea
what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (53:01):
But it was not mean, all right, it wasn't mean.
M hm. That's I know that's what you're saying. I
know that's what you're saying. I didn't when even when,
even beside the two to me of saying, and one
of them being your own, you're even telling me nobody
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else was there? Did you? I didn't see anybody else.
I'm not gonna see it. Pick everything.
Speaker 9 (53:34):
I didn't see anybody else, Litely, even there, I didn't
see anybody else.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
Again, you've heard this before, but I'm gonna tell you
because I know from the amountment means I done in
the then, and there's no doubt in my mind. There's
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a whole playing through your chest. I didn't do it
anything wrong. I mean, you can sit here and say
whatever you want. I did not do anything wrong within
your perception.
Speaker 15 (54:17):
You may.
Speaker 5 (54:19):
It's not a patter of my perception as a patter
of reality. I didn't enjoy anything. Whoever was terrorizing that woman.
Speaker 6 (54:29):
I have no clue who it is, all right, it's
not me. I don't know. I don't do any damn
time I work between.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
Those houses, Jeff, this is the time I walked up there.
You guys are explaining to do. I've explained it. I
don't have a lot of explaining.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
Yes, you, I'll explained it. You have a lot of
explaining to do. And and I keep on going back
just because I have to.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Go back to this, because you know what it's like
to be sitting in this chair. If I understand, Okay,
all right, I know there are tons of people really
telling you the truth, and a good interview.
Speaker 6 (55:03):
Will figure that out. I didn't know it, I'm not.
I'm telling you the truth. I didn't do anything that
I didn't know that. I didn't do any of that.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
But you also right that a good interview wider and
know when someone's not telling you the truth. Yes, you're right,
all right, yea. You your cons and your perception of
me right now is I'm not telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (55:28):
Not just because not just because you're sitting here telling
me that you didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
It's because we've got most of other things that says
you don't.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
And that's what you're dealing with. I didn't do anything,
and you're not understand anything in period, I don't know.
I didn't do anything any period period. I didn't do anything,
and you're you're gonna have it. You do that.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
The best places taklen of things up. We're right here, Yes,
you're right. There's nothing to clear up. There's nothing to
clear up. I mean, there's nothing to far.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything anyone
any time. And that's the story of HP said. It's
not the story, it's truth, because that's all we're gonna say.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
If it comes to a point where we have to
go to a judge, you can say I didn't do it.
I told the judge the same thing I've told you.
The only right Betemo sounds of life right from that
lay up towards the road.
Speaker 6 (56:49):
That's it. That's it. You're not you're just not listening
to reality. You're just not listening to that. Your only
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the only thing you can say is.
Speaker 21 (57:17):
He is I want from the lake between the houses
to the officer and I didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (57:27):
However, I have a police officer, I have a victim
I have met in the area. I mean, it just Hm,
it's not looking good for Jeff pirol I did not
(57:47):
do anything to anything. This is just a case of
mistaken identity. I didn't do.
Speaker 13 (57:56):
Anything to me.
Speaker 6 (57:58):
I didn't do anything to any h.
Speaker 16 (58:08):
You know that's what you say.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
What you say, and you and I say, what was that?
Speaker 9 (58:28):
You and I know better?
Speaker 6 (58:32):
Can we use these lines and cliches? I did You
don't want to stream that.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
I did not say anything to anyone that your guts
are just screaming at you.
Speaker 6 (58:44):
No.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
Not.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything to
anyone period. I didn't do anything anyone.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Mm hm.
Speaker 6 (59:02):
You anything drunk? Rain never bath room again
It's almost too frightening to imagine this man obsessively stalking women,
sneaking into their homes, assaulting them, forcing them to perform
this bizarre cleansing ritual. But what may be most disturbing
is who the attacker turned out to be, A man
who understood what happens in the box all too well,
that is, until he slipped up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is always going to be with me.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It was the worst night of twenty five year old
Christy mills young life, woken from a dead sleep by
the outline of a large man standing over her bed
with a gun.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I was in.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Shock, absolute shock.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I looked at the door and saw the light there,
and something just didn't seem right. So that's what I saw.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Okay, what does he say to you?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
He said that I'm only here to burglarize you. I
don't want to hurt you, but if you scream, if
you make any noise, I'll shoot you. And the next
thing I remember is he was on top of me
in the bed. He actually taped all the way around
my head so that I wouldn't be able to open
my mouth at all, tape over my eyes so you
couldn't see I couldn't see. And then he actually took
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the pillowcase off my pillow and put it over my
head as well.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
That must have been scary.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Extremely he seemed very assertive when he talked, not like
somebody who's, you know, panicking. He seemed like he really
knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The man sexually assaulted Christie for forty five minutes, then
shoved her into the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The water was running in the bathtub. I started to
panic and I thought he was going to shoot me
in the bathtub. Just over a month for my twenty
sixth birthday, and I was going to die.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Did you know why he was putting it in the bathtub?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I didn't. I thought he was going to kill me.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Christy was forced to take a long bath, told to
wash carefully as her rapist calmly walked about her apartment,
hiding her cell phone, removing the sheets from her back
before slipping away.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I got out of the bathtub, took the pillowcase off
and ripped the tape off my eyes. Was trying to
pull the tape off and couldn't get it off. If
I actually ripped hanks the hair out to get it off,
and then I called ed one one.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Two years later, across town, the rapist found another victim.
Is fourth.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I awoke to someone coming in my room.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And Sarah, a twenty seven year old restaurant manager, was
attacked by the masked intruder just six weeks before her wedding.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
At the beginning, it was gone to my head and
I have two my throat. Every single thing he did,
he was physically threatening. He knew everything about me, what
my sister looks like, to car, my husband, drove my
work schedule, he knew where I worked out, pretty much everything.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
As with Christy, he was careful binding her hands, covering
her head with a pillowcase, and again like Christy, he
forced her into the bathroom for a long soak to
wash away the evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All I could think about was I can't have someone
call my family, my fiance, my parents, my siblings and
tell them that I've been killed six weeks before I
get married.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Although the rapist had wiped clean the physical evidence, he
could not erase the details Sarah had memorized about him, his.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Height, weight, way he carried himself. He had very distinct,
bright blue eyes. I knew, you know, I would be
able to pick them out as soon as I saw
that person.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
That's cool. This isn't the way you wanted this to happen,
all right. We wanted you to come down here in
your own a kind of suffody, said, chat all that
kind of stuff. Unfortunately it didn't happen that way.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You wrote down with the senor with me, and.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
As you know, we have rules that we have to
go by. Just as you know, you're very familiar with
all this stuff. You know it's going all kind of stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
We want to talk about what's going on because we're
not absolutely sure what's going on.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Okay, all right, what are you talking about? I have
to read your rights first. Rest. At this point, you're
not free to go. At this point, we're not free
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to go. I'm on our rest. Well, we're in a
custodial situation.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
That's why I'm read your rights right, because you gave them,
because you came down.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Here in their color. I don't know where we're gonna go.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
I don't know where we're gonna I don't know where
we're going, what's going on? Even know what you're talking about.
I understand that, yeah, and you understand just like I
do that. I can't talk about anything until we get right.
You have the right treatment silent people say.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
It can use against you in a court of law.
You have the rights. Talk to a learn, have one
present with you.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Let any question if you can afford to hire, lay
represent question, if.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You wish you can decide any time to exercise these rights.
Ancer questions that make any statements. Do you understand what
those rights? I explained you, Yes, of course I didn't.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Have those flights of money. You wish to speak with
me about? What's okay? Well, last night, all right, there was.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
An issue that came up, right, I'm don't the.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Southwest side of town. All right, you know what I'm
talking about. There's a it's a I don't want to
hear what you have.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
To say about it, and I'm really hoping there is
a good explanation for it.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
All I did.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
You get up with the plasaus and alast night you're
talking about Zeo When I was walking around by the
leg looking at the leg down.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
There, Yeah, I drove down there. I couldn't sleep. All right,
houses coming for sale in that area all the time.
I'm interested in buying money. Brother own the house she
lives up in. Really she's you know she's poor, she's
on fixed income. I wanted to boast her to us
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houses going for sale. There's a town right there for sale.
It won't work, but anyway, I was looking to see
what kind of access with onto that lake.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
That's all all right. I was starting to walk around
the parts walk down, looked at the lake when I
was leaving where the market.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
I don't know the name of the street, but it
wasn't right there where you were at.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
It was by the lake. That lake is goes behind
those houses. You know, you won't.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Understand how difficult the situation this is for everyone in yourself.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Really, yes, I understand.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
And.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Here, regardless of what you know, our feelings are towards.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Each other, and I think we've always got along. We
speak openly about them.
Speaker 10 (07:50):
There's just some things that happened that night that just
doesn't add up, No, Jeff, you know, as.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
A former investigating yourself, that there are things that we know, okay,
such as the way that.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
You mean you're freaking the home.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Why would you be Why would you be in between
two houses looking at it. I couldn't keep going straight.
There's a dreamings thing that goes down the lake. I
couldn't keep walking, so I walked up. The dog started
work in the hot health. So I walked in between
the houses and go through the road.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Right he comes around. I thought maybe it was a home.
I was like, I don't want to startle you know.
He started piece. I turned to walk back down. He
said stop. Police. I was like, oh, hell, what's good.
I can run and walk back. Chef.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Why you know, it was being a police officer that
that kind of that kind of thing is not within
the morning. We don't as police officers, we don't walk
around at twelve thirty at night in the morning walking
in between the high I wouldn't. I'm off between the houses.
I was either like that, I couldn't keep going. So
I walked up between the houses. That's it, I mean,
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that is it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
That's it. Think about what you're telling me. I am
thinking about what I'm telling you the truth. I went
down there. What what kind of public access is down there?
I walked. I started going to the west side, but
there's fences, are saying.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I come back around the other way. All right again,
I can't go a little further. There's a dreamings thing
that comes down. It feels that like overflow. I guess
I don't know whatever it is. So I started, you know,
in the dog started parking. So I walked up fween
the houses, go up to the road, and yes, to be.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
On the road. So I'm not walking in between you know.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
It's just well wait, wait a minute, but you weren't
on the road until I was going going in the road,
all right.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That's what I was walking up to, was go up
to the road, walk down my truck and drive away.
Was done looking at the lake. There's no access going
down to the lake. So okay too, Okay, we're past
the point.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
Of you were there, right, you rether than that that
you were there, Yes, in between those.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Two houses, yes, all right, right, I was just walking
from the place up to the Okay, if you get
a call someone walking in between two houses and twelve
thirty in the morning, I don't know what call brought
him out there, Yes, of course.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Of course. I mean the person that called this in.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Has everybody in the world to do this, correct. I
have no idea who called it in, all right. What
they called him wasn't me, all right, he said last
night somebody knocked on somebody's door.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I didn't knock on anybody's door. I did knock on
anybody's door. I did not. I don't know what else
you're trying to allege here. I don't want to jump
to some kind of conclusion. All this isn't about because
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I was rocking. I walked up from that lay up between.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Those two houses. Absolutely, I'm sorry. Absolutely, you know I
don't know what else you're talking about. We're talking about
you standing up with your back to the.
Speaker 11 (11:27):
The house and trying not to be identified what your
back up against the house, and not trying to be seen.
As David walks by. I was rocking up.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I saw something coming, so I stopped. I turned to.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Go back again. The dogs barking out. US might think
I was doing something wrong, he said, stop police. I
was like bowing hill, So I turned on walked it.
I wasn't standing with my back against no house. Well,
I think you're minimizing I'm not minimizing him, he said,
stop police, because they're.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
A little bit more than that. No, that's what he said.
You didn't see the gun yet. No, you run where
Peo pulled a gun him. I did not know he
did that. No, I did not want to turn and
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walk forwards him so we could see where it was.
And then I wasn't a threat. Well, you know, his
hands at his side. He was like, we talked for
for what? We talked for a moment? What did you
talk about? He asked me what I was doing? That
told him what I was doing there. You were there
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to look for us at twelve thirty. I'm interested in
houses in that area. There's that lake.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I was looking to see what kind of access there
is balance that way. My mother is just able. I
mean she's she can work and she can't walk too far. Well,
I hadn't seen the access down there, I mean off
the coats.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I keep going down there.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
But as far as a stomach sign up going down there,
I did see one. I was gonna walk back around
and then both my truck. See you, you know all
all the things we say. You've been sitting in this
chair before. All I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Is that what you need to do is think.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
About just exactly what you're saying before you answer, before
you before you jump.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Back with a conclusion.
Speaker 9 (13:47):
Jeff, you need to think about what you're saying. You
need to think about what the scenario was.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Right there, you meet John's with him. Haven't you done?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
I mean, I mean, I think I need to take
a step further. Okay, because the lady scared to death,
scared time I'm thinking about the lady. But what I'm
telling you, what I'm telling you is, I'm telling you
she was scared to death. She was an absolute basket case.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
It wasn't for me.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
What, Yes, you were in between the houses. You were
in between the houses. What if this would have happened
between the houses and Zeeman was there. That's the only
time I've been between the houses.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
What if this would have happened? Would you be a
little bit concerned? I think? But I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
The only time I walked between those two houses was
when I was walking from the lake, you know. And
but that's what that's where you and that's when I
met them. That's when where you and officer of Zemo.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
And what you said. But whenever the lady was scared
of it wasn't me, it was you.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
How can I eas the one time I was between
the houses when I walked up and see her, is
that she's already.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Caught Jeff, Zeemra had already been throughout the whole area.
You were the only person there. It was twelve thirty in.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
The morning, right, it was twelve thirty morning.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
The only time I walked up between the houses, all right,
those two houses, those on her came all right, I
mean I walked up before I walked for the lake
between the houses.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
They're seeing them.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Honestly, I'm not go I scared for of them, because
that's the only time I was there.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
But you wanted out of there quick. You didn't stop.
I mean, he said, I'm here looking. Do you think it?
Let's just run all the way down the line. He's
on a car. But not mistake there with you, Jeff,
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never mind. I mean it just it is just right
down the line, right down one line.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I mean he's called out there, all right, there's nobody
else out there but you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
This lady has someone prowling around her windows. She's a
very attractive young lady.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It wasn't me. I wasn't prowling around anyone's windows. I
wasn't prowling around at all. Again, when the dogs work, well,
I need to going by the road, and that's my
walk between the house. So what makes you decide to
look at the houses at one on twelve thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I wasn't looking at the houses. I'm interested in the
house in the area. I was looking at that lake.
That is all. I mean, that's all I really, I
just do.
Speaker 13 (16:59):
Want I we most police officers, and we as human
beings know the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
It's yes, it is put in your head from I
understand they want all right.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I did not walk between that again. The only time
I walked between those two houses. That's when I walked.
I was down with the lake.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I can't do. So I wrapped up to go up
to the road. That's it. And when I wrapped up
there somebody comes from them. All right. Okay, who were
you wearing last night? A T shirt? Shorts, flip laps
and sums, flip love sandals? Okay?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Did your T shirt had a been writing on? I
don't remember what my shirt had.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
What color?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Is sure?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Liby short? I think they were in my black shorts. Okay,
you're carrying anything else with no nothing? Nothing?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Kah?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
What were my parties? Where were they in my pocket?
Speaker 10 (18:18):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Jeff, I.
Speaker 14 (18:25):
Just I'm always like you, I understand that, and then
and and you understand how difficult this is for I
understand how difficult it is for you and everybody both.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I understand I and Butt doing anything wrong. But I'm
a realist. I'm a realist. I understand. And I think
there's a whole lot more going.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
On here than work and and and I And that's
my deft singing a stay along and in talk. But
I understand, all right, there's something right here that you know.
You're a police officer, you know the right from rome,
and I understand. I think you did wrong last night,
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and you think you did wrong last night.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
And I don't know why you did wrong, because he
didn't do anything.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
What walking up from that length towards the road is
the right thing to do at that point. I mean,
I can't go over for the dog, Okay, So I
walked up there. I mean, I mean, if it wasn't
for the thing, I just walked around the light, went
right back to where my trunk was at.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean, that is all I'm not. You know, I'm
not minimizing you. You were you. No, I'm not. I'm
not tenomizing anything. I just want I mean, I don't
know how simple it is. It's not it's it's not
that simple. I didn't I all cham of any kind.
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It's not said. It's not that. I mean that's it.
It's not that. I mean she is a you know,
attractive way. I don't very serious. And like I said,
I know you know, I've seen you. I've seen how
you you take a genuine interest in people.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Okay, and I think if you knew what you did
to this person, because.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm telling you, she's your drink and did not do anything.
You were right? Were you getting by there? And I
wrapped up it from the lake between the houses on
the road, Yes, I did. You were live right? Yes?
Yes I was there. You look in front of my officers. Yes, yes,
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he was there. I was wrapping up. Okay, okay, let's
just go with this and crame or first of all, is.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
There any reason that you can know me why David
Zeerra would lie about this situation, Because I tell you what,
he's freaked out too, because you're.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
One of his men wors all right, you're one of
his mental wors he is.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
I don't know how I freaked out. You don't know
how I freaked out? Well, I mean, he couldn't even
hardly talk, he was so.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Upset by the situation. He talked about how you were,
you know, one of his mentors, you ft O trained sergeant.
All right, and I mean he looked up to you,
all right. I understand that, all right?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
And okay, So getting back to the question, is there
any reason why David Zebra would lie about what.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Happened on this Let's just have no idea why would
absolutely reason. I had no idea. Absolutely, he has no
reason why. All right. As a matter of fact, you
call him off the second, you know, after he confronted you.
I have to do one. I don't have any reason why.
Speaker 15 (22:08):
Hm.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Everybody has their battles and everybody has their process. Tom there,
I understand, all.
Speaker 16 (22:18):
Right, and you you're.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
You know where we're getting it. No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
You don't know what I'm talking about. A young, very
attractive female. I don't know who you're talking about, all right.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
She's the white man almost you haven't.
Speaker 13 (22:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I have no idea who's lives? And I in those houses?
A right, I wasn't interested in those I'm sure you
had no idea. I wasn't interested in those houses. You
weren't interested in the lake access?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Right? Come on, my chef, I mean, yes, I mean
that's a that is just a.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
It doesn't make sense to anyone, all right, it doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Again, it doesn't. Yes, it makes sense to me, because
that's why what they're to do. Right, if I'm going
to look at a lake access, I'm not going to
do it twelve all right, portuation times. But that's why
I did it, all right, I just walked down there,
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right years? What are you seventeen years? Yeah, seventeen years
of being a police officer, I understand. And you don't
think that that is a a severe error in judgment
to being alright in between two houses.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
At twelve thirty in the mornings as doing walking late
to the road. All right, you're implying on doing something
exchagous between the houses. And I wanted to do this
wapping from up the road. I said, that's exactly what
I'm playing.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
That's it. That's going to the officer seever who has
who you agreed to says theays, no reason to lie
about this.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Says that you were up against the house and he
had and he had to he had to call for
you three different times.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Now, he didn't fight different times. And then you turned
around and one the other way.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Okay, when I saw the figure standing standing, I said,
I just turned him walked back, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Even okay, what did he say to you then? When
you return around and he was looking? What did he
say to you then? Stop? Police? And what else was
he saying? To stop? Please let me see your hands.
I don't everything he said. I said stop please.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I realized, oh please, So I turned up back, all right.
I mean, I if I realized at first he was
he was.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
He was just kept blacking my toward. But I miss
thought it was was somebody living us. That's it. Yeah,
you know it's not that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Because the scenario doesn't feel you know, that's m.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
And you're kind of also, But I think you've seen
me interview enough people that I'm just want something is wrong,
something's wrong.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I understand you think something's wrong. I'm convinced someone wrong.
Ever scared that woman was not to me, all right.
The only time I watch people that is when I
encounter officers.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Either, that's it, all right. I wasn't there before that
at any of her time. Whatever scared her, whatever it was, right,
whoever it was, was not me. I would did not
do it. I was not the one that was up there,
all right.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I wrapped up between my houses and when there was
even all right, all right.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But again it's but I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You don't understand, because I understand it is your sitting trying.
You're sitting there trying and saying I've done something wrong.
I mean, you're saying, I'm telling you I didn't do
anything wrong. I wasn't there doing anything intent. Whatever struggle
was not mean, wasn't mean. Uh okay, let me just entertained.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
But it wasn't. Let me just entertainment for a second. Jeff,
who wasn't I don't know. I have no idea what
it was at twelve thirty in the morning. Who was it?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
I do not know.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
But everyone else has been up here telling us say
I will buy that house at twelve thirty last night,
except for Jeff Peelo.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And Jeff Pielo says himself, you know I was there, Yes,
I was there, all right.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
An officer Zebra tells him, paints a different picture. All right,
I know he's a lady of number nine. She paints
another picture. I mean it, all right, this is a
this is the only time. I went up between those
houses one and watched from the lake looking at stop
all right, looking for the Did you stop? Did I
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stop wearing in between the hoss.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
H? I don't understand what you're asking.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
When I walked from the bank and walked up and
made officers, did I stop between the.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Houses prior to seeing the officers? Ever to do stop
between the houses? No?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I stopped when I saw the figure at the front
of the house. They turned out it was him. I stopped,
turned walk away. That's when he out stopped. Okay, so
what you're saying is that you're mocking on two houses
to wards. Officer ze you saw him, He turned around
and he said stop.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
That's that's the.
Speaker 16 (28:20):
Let's go back to how of sir Zeem. What reason
would he have to tell us something of us are true?
Why would he tell us a different story of what
happened in between those houses?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I have no idea.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Well, we've already we've already established that he has no
reason to lie about it, right, we.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Have no reason. Definitely, Yeah, you've done this long enough,
you're smart enough, i'd and you.
Speaker 17 (29:00):
Know exactly where we're sitting here, and those are things
that you need to do, and there are things that
you need to take responsibility for and give this things done.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You've let me tell you, Jeff, let me.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Tell you point blank, You've hurt two people in the
last twelve hours, and you've hurt them deeply.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
In David's ebra in this female. Yes, I did not
hurt that female.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I did.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
I don't even know anything about that female. I wasn't
the one time. The only time I went between those
two houses is when I want the plank to But
that's not what David is saying. I don't know what
his perception of the situation was, he has Did I
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pause and turn and go the way? Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Did?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I realized if I realized at first that it was
a police officer, I wouldn't want to pass out and
kept on.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Period. He I wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
W I had nothing to hide if I realized it
was a police officer, anyone or anybody.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I just kept on out. When he broke stry, I
thought it was someone who lived that was like ups,
I said, Dad was barking.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
I thought it was some of the others, like you
were going to try to get away from the person
who was looking at it.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
But yeah, I just walk out and started, Hi, Look,
I'm saying I'm still things in your two rights. Obviously
it doesn't make sense. I'm just being real with the job,
and I understand. I don't know what else to tell you.
I wasn't doing anything wrong. I hadn't, I did not.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You want to talk about what between those houses is
when I walked up in an officer senior. I did
not do anything in anybody anywhere last night period.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
All right.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I don't know what you're trying to rite here. I
did not do make nothing to anybody at any point
in time.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
All right. I'm not looking in someone's windows. I'm not
doing any of that. I walked down by it, like
when I said, that's what you said a minute ago,
that you were.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Looking at You said if somebody was walking around looking
at this woman's hot.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Windows, it was not me, whoever it was. I had
no not include I go, oh, God, didn't know what's what?
I don't know that, you know. I don't know how
else to say it. All right, all right, the truth
is the truth. I've already told it to you, and
that's that. I don't know what to do. Excuse me
for getting cussed off here, but I didn't do anything wrong,
all right. I did not do anything wrong period. I
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don't know how else to put it. I don't know
how else to do it. I don't. I don't well,
as as it's happened in the past, you know, And
I'll just tell you. I'll tell you point by. I
don't think the story is exactly the weird telling. I don't.
I don't know what Dave sim told you, all right.
Speaker 18 (31:41):
I don't know what his perception of it was, but
the want tells his perception is right on, Jeff, his
perception is right on, exactly right.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
On again and here and here's the real story of
it all. Joe, you're the one who has to answer
for it, not David Zeeber.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
David Zeemer was on patrol another leg.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Anything wrong, all right, right, I'm not again, I don't
know what his perception of it was. I didn't any
want to if I had no real attempt. My eye
get was wrapped in that lake and up between those houses.
All right. You know. Now I'm sitting in an interview
room and choose from in frontinal obviously I should turn
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the whack fifty feet walked up the the cult des
actors written that colds. Yeah, colts acts right there. Obviously
should have done what it shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Wap on the way back to where there's no houses,
I am wrapped up to the cult des act.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Obviously that's where you know, I'm looking back on PERHAPSUS Russia.
Oh my god, it's not much. Is that why you game? Marole?
Did damp loved to see the spillway. There's no spillway there.
What don't you call that?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
At the end of the cult said, all right, is
that the way you went around the ridge house would
come down off of whatever.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I can't know which street is we come down. I
didn't want it. So I walked up on the street
whatever that street is called. I can't remember the name
of the street, and right down to what I pulled
the sack is.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Looked at that townhouse and did not I didn't go
up to the windows of the townhouse. I looked at
it from the distance, see if too slowly, where it was,
if that's the one was for sale?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
It was. I walked down by the lake, started going
on the west side. It's like, no, no, want to
go way.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
So I started to come around on the east side,
walked around that's where the little spillway thing comes down
in there in west still way down. I realized, okay,
I can't cross that. That's when I turn and walked
in the house. Well, actually I went down in the ways,
realized that went back. You know, the one house had
a fence, I believe.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
So I walked back.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yes, there's one house wrapped up between the houses. And
that's why knots was even what what will be dragging
last night might pick up drum.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
M hm.
Speaker 14 (34:29):
M hmm.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
What would you take them in and think about what
we're talking about. Because if you take them in and
then you think about it and you don't have to
think about it, that's what happened. You put all the
things together that happened, all right, and you come up
to a conclusion. How it may seem.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is not.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
It's just a coincidence. It's, yes, the coincidence. I didn't
do anything wrong last night. I didn't do anything to anyone.
Speaker 19 (35:08):
Again, you didn't do anything. I didn't think any one
thing to anyone. Did anybody ever says you did anything?
You said I terrorized two people.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, I didn't understanding anyone. All right, let me back
up again and I talk to them. Oh, there are
real things in the real scenarios. Jeff, if this is
happening to your wife, would you say that you didn't
do anything? That person didn't do anything to your wife.
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I didn't do anything to anyone. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
You're asked you as you make a comparison, and I
have absolutely no idea what you're talking about as far
as what happened to that moment.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I'm not a part of it. I don't want anything
about it. I don't want anything about it.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I obviously, if somebody was terrorizing my wife, I want
to do something about it.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I was terrorizing no one. I didn't do anything anything.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Well, let me let me ask your definition of terrorizing
somebody mere open from that lake and whappen up between those.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Houses and meeting answers in is not terrorizing someone? Okay,
I'll give you that. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I'll give you that that's the extent of what I did,
other than back by the lection if if that's what happened,
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
That's not that's what happened. Well, but we have others
who say otherwise. Two others, two others, Jeff, I.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Mean this is something that you're gonna have to You
can't just explain why I can't explain what I didn't
do anything.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Okay, let's go back to you define what terrorizing is terrorizing?
If someone's looking in your window, is that terrorizing? I
wasn't looking anyone. I wasn't, right, did you see anybody
else out there? No?
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I wasn't looking for anyone else, right, I mean at
one in the morning, you would I want to say
that was somebody else.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Out there that said they, but not before I was
at yet? All right, if they're up on the road
or up between houses where I'm not, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I wouldn't see them. I think we're I think we're
getting mixed up on. But yeah, there was somebody else
there when I first put up there, someone to walk
her dog. I'm screened up.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I don't know streat up right.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But ye know, ka, I think we're getting two different
ideas of what terrorizing somebody else.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
You keep on saying I didn't do anything, but I
didn't do anything to anyone. Okay, I'm not saying.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
That this person was, you know, someone go into their
house or anything like that, right, that's saying.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
That I'm not saying that she was physically attacked or
like that. I'm glad. I'm glad. Nothing like that, right, however,
but for a young female having someone looking in her
windows or trying her doors is But I didn't do
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anything like that, all right. I didn't do anything like that,
all right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do anything like that. Yeah,
I sumly looked at that l wrapped in between househouses.
If the spill it wouldn't been wrapped around in right. Again,
I I did not do anything to anyone. Oh m,
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I didn't do anything anyone. I know. That's what you're saying.
That's what happened. It's not what I'm saying. That's what
I didn't done. But that's not what two other people say.
What do the other two people say? Right?
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Well? A, okay, yes, single events is a lot different
than your sequence, A lot different, all right, And.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I'm too important and let.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
Me really right, that just flipped him out, because I
don't know how I flipped them out, but he was
flipped up.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
He said, you want yourself. That wasn't my story. I
wouldn't be myself, Eider.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
If a police officer get in front of me at
twelve thirty and in between two thousands, and then we
can't just kind of about the way.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
He says, you don't hear how bark and set off right? Yeah,
down by the lady. Yeah, the dog's work is up,
and she came dogs working out on the work.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
Was that okay?
Speaker 13 (40:14):
House?
Speaker 20 (40:14):
The dog was just dog working and why does she
have any reason and called down here and say, hey,
this is what's happening in my house.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Not longs but twice and also again I don't know
who was messing with the lady.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
It was not to me.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Obviously. If somebody's messing with her at whatever fashion it was,
I don't know. Of course she should call okay, but
we've already established there was nobody else there.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That you Jeff, Heavenly, I did not do established. I
don't terrorize anybody as your body.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
I didn't do anything right obviously. My mistake was again
like I said, I walked between those houses to go
to the road as opposed to going further down.
Speaker 16 (41:10):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
That's it, h I know, and you know it's there's
no there's not not what you gonna have. That's all.
I did not do anything else. There is did not
do anything else. I did not do anything anyone, all right,
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you know what specifically happened, I don't know. I did not.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Have time.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
I walked between those houses. Kay, I my apologies. I
don't know anybody, you know. Yes, I'm not gonna polize
being angry. I mean the Kams to doing something I
had nothing to do with. M hm oh h h.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
You know, we're at the point where you know, you
have got to be thinking that this isn't some fishing expedition.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
We just didn't pick you out of the clear low
sky to come in here, right correct. Obviously, Again, the
only thing I did was walk from the lake in
between two houses out to up to the road out
to the office room. And when I really saw is
up there and turn to go back, and that's what
he says, and turn on. Came back to it.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But we're leaving out this, We're leaving out you. We're
standing in the was the one of our bets that
did not occur? And an officer that the front of
the area twice that did not and then you turning
out and walking away.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Did I turn right here? And he says, stun, show
me your hands, and he is and I mean, you've
been in the your you I understand, you have been
in your weapons guy here before military, I understand. And
you're telling me you hadn't known somebody he's back with.
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I wasn't paying attention to that. You weren't paying attentions
and to see said stop and I said, ooh, it's
the play turn and walked up there. That's that. I
talked him a few minutes. And I'm not even a
few minutes. All right. You know he's obviously on a
call up. H. There's problems. There's all cans of problems.
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And you know I'm not I'm not here to sit
here and tell you that it's all rosy and all
that kind of stuff. But no, and you know where
I'm coming from, because I told you I am not
buying what you're telling me. I have one second, for
one second, you know you I've done this for a
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long time. But you yes, I you went there for
a long time. And I and I evenything wrong. I
call you, I know, and you know what how many
times have we said in here and listen to somebody
for hours? Ninety some way I did. I'm not looking
here for hours? And then and then you know, have
all the behaviors and all the things that happening.
Speaker 21 (44:19):
You know, you were not Sergeant Pilo last night. You
were absolutely somebody else. And we considure, and you can.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Say this is what I did, and I consider and
say this is what we know till the cows come on.
But you know, you know in your heart exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yes, yes, I went down work it that way, We
op the printer's houses, go back to the road and
on my truck.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
What happened. That was the only time I was between
those houses. And say when we talked other lest like,
does she know that you were doing? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
She was asleep on my left. I was studying for
the test. Were taking a day. I couldn't sleep, shaved,
couldn't sleep, you know what.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
One for a long drive. While I was driving at
I went back to look at that blake. I told
you why I was there. That was it. That was
its nless you've been looking for house three mom moment.
(45:44):
We've discussed it several times. Maybe you looked at any
other loans. I've looked at something.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
About where I live at. Yes, though we're probably from
the ship all right, Oh, they're not. They're not ranches.
I'd love to you really further down from there, the
one that takes care of it. Very the same style
of houses, all right, But again the little expitson new
my community.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
In Downds, No, No, in downs Brother, down the street,
down street, the name of it, down Strike, I can't
remember the name of it. There's a treaty Ville that
will not community. Little. Yeah, it's got the little building.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Yeah, it's got the little shacks about one hundred thirty
five thousand dollars and not worth that. But right in
this town, they're all And that's about the lost you
get that's up along the best side of town.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
I'm not doing that. And you said she's in rooming, Yes,
she's looked. I've looked.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
In see.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Oh yeah, that would be totally normal form you have
to do. Just to go ahead and twelve three in
the morning. And I can't predict to you what she's
going to say. You've been married to her, she had,
she's she's the mother of your children. I understand. I
do not predict you what she's going to say. You
don't think that she knows you, Yeah she doesn't. Is
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she going to say that that would be normal behavior
for you to do. It's not. Is it normal that
I do that? No? All right?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (47:25):
M with? I don't know how else to say it.
I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And at some point, Hm, at some point, you've got
a wife, and I understand, two children again, three children.
I didn't do anything to him.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
What the lady was, I didn't do anything to her, right,
I wouldn't do anything to anybody, mhm.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
In different lives, we all lead different lines. Again, I
don't know what you're applying there, all right, I did
you If I'm not applying, I'm saying I don't.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
I don't need a sinister life of some kind. I
didn't turn anything wrong, Wow, I didn't. I didn't do
anything to anyone.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
I don't. I didn't do anything to anyone. It didn't.
It did not, it did not, it did not. I
don't h I did not. I just don't think it
has a good content sense right, honestly, well into your house.
But that's not what common sense wasn't.
Speaker 14 (48:50):
All right?
Speaker 22 (48:50):
Did I have it was sense in my heart when
I went between those two houses. No, I had no
doing it in my heart at all? As night or
any other. All right, let me ask let me ask you.
All right, let's let's look at another scenario.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Let me let me.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
This light is we look at another scenario. What happened
last night is what happened. I didn't want to do anything.
I didn't want to do anything to anyone, And Jeff,
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
Think that is not exactly what happened. Okay, I've seen
this lady. Okay, Like I said, let me give you
a different scenario.
Speaker 9 (49:28):
I've seen this lady. She's an extraordinary attractor. I haven't
seen I having no.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
Idea she is. As you're walking through the two houses,
do you see anybody in the windows? I'm not looking
at anyone those I didn't see anything.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
I'm not saying I'm looking in the windows like that's
not I'm not saying you're looking at the windows. I
wasn't even walking next the house. I was walking next
year didn't even have windows on that side. Jeff, Okay,
I know, Remember, I know theo answers to my question.
I understand, all right, all right, how fu a part
of these houses? I don't I didn't meatione them.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
I don't know. They're not very far your standard house.
They're closer than.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Your standard house, yes, unless you know the old side
of town where they're really close to each other. The
house I was walking next year didn't even have windows
on that side the house, all right, the house of
where I had windows.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
I didn't walk next to those windows. I brought over here.
I'm not clearing looking at anybody's windows. I walked in
the way. I was walking onto the road. That's that,
but that's not that's not you know, worship your tit.
This guy did something I didn't. I didn't do anything
mot Larry. Here is the you're even not doing anything.
(50:43):
I understand. All right, here's the bottom line. I didn't anything.
That's bottom line. That's not the bottom all right. I
didn't do anything to anyone period. I didn't. I mean
you you have to understand I underting now. This is
a bad situation, A very bad situation. Right. I walked
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in the twenty the two houses going up the road. Again.
You know, I wasn't mother spillway. I wouldn't even wap
between those two houses. I of whack further and I
wacked up at sometimes the time I'm trying to wapping
in the two houses i'mhere to get up from that lady,
all right. When again, when I wacked between those two houses,
it's I'm not doing it to look at anybody, was
not doing it to do anything other than get the road, period.
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I don't know how I did not do anything more.
I just you know, in this situation, if you bought,
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bought and paid for it, I didn't do anything time.
Speaker 9 (51:57):
You know, there's just too much, too much because because
everyone else has no to your motives or all.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
To your means or anything like that, not even say
something that isn't.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
Neither this girl would have just assume if JE don't
ever come into her life.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
It wasn't in that today saying I don't even know
that everything else. I can't even tell you which house
she was in, all right. I don't know what car
pevement to. I didn't ask him anything frict he came
here a pet. And you know that whoever that lady
called on was not me. I do not go between
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those houses prior to the time I worked from the
lake up. All right.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Whoever whatever she's saying, it was not me. I have
no idea what her navigation is. I have no idea
what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (53:01):
But it was not mean, all right, it wasn't mean.
M hm. That's I know that's what you're saying. I
know that's what you're saying. I didn't when even when,
even beside the two to me of saying, and one
of them being your own, you're even telling me nobody
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else was there? Did you? I didn't see anybody else.
I'm not gonna see it. Pick everything.
Speaker 9 (53:34):
I didn't see anybody else, Litely, even there, I didn't
see anybody else.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
Again, you've heard this before, but I'm gonna tell you
because I know from the amountment means I done in
the then, and there's no doubt in my mind. There's
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a whole playing through your chest. I didn't do it
anything wrong. I mean, you can sit here and say
whatever you want. I did not do anything wrong within
your perception.
Speaker 15 (54:17):
You may.
Speaker 5 (54:19):
It's not a patter of my perception as a patter
of reality. I didn't enjoy anything. Whoever was terrorizing that woman.
Speaker 6 (54:29):
I have no clue who it is, all right, it's
not me. I don't know. I don't do any damn
time I work between.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
Those houses, Jeff, this is the time I walked up there.
You guys are explaining to do. I've explained it. I
don't have a lot of explaining.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
Yes, you, I'll explained it. You have a lot of
explaining to do. And and I keep on going back
just because I have to.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Go back to this, because you know what it's like
to be sitting in this chair. If I understand, Okay,
all right, I know there are tons of people really
telling you the truth, and a good interview.
Speaker 6 (55:03):
Will figure that out. I didn't know it, I'm not.
I'm telling you the truth. I didn't do anything that
I didn't know that. I didn't do any of that.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
But you also right that a good interview wider and
know when someone's not telling you the truth. Yes, you're right,
all right, yea. You your cons and your perception of
me right now is I'm not telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (55:28):
Not just because not just because you're sitting here telling
me that you didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
It's because we've got most of other things that says
you don't.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
And that's what you're dealing with. I didn't do anything,
and you're not understand anything in period, I don't know.
I didn't do anything any period period. I didn't do anything,
and you're you're gonna have it. You do that.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
The best places taklen of things up. We're right here, Yes,
you're right. There's nothing to clear up. There's nothing to
clear up. I mean, there's nothing to far.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything anyone
any time. And that's the story of HP said. It's
not the story, it's truth, because that's all we're gonna say.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
If it comes to a point where we have to
go to a judge, you can say I didn't do it.
I told the judge the same thing I've told you.
The only right Betemo sounds of life right from that
lay up towards the road.
Speaker 6 (56:49):
That's it. That's it. You're not you're just not listening
to reality. You're just not listening to that. Your only
(57:13):
the only thing you can say is.
Speaker 21 (57:17):
He is I want from the lake between the houses
to the officer and I didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (57:27):
However, I have a police officer, I have a victim
I have met in the area. I mean, it just Hm,
it's not looking good for Jeff pirol I did not
(57:47):
do anything to anything. This is just a case of
mistaken identity. I didn't do.
Speaker 13 (57:56):
Anything to me.
Speaker 6 (57:58):
I didn't do anything to any h.
Speaker 16 (58:08):
You know that's what you say.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
What you say, and you and I say, what was that?
Speaker 9 (58:28):
You and I know better?
Speaker 6 (58:32):
Can we use these lines and cliches? I did You
don't want to stream that.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
I did not say anything to anyone that your guts
are just screaming at you.
Speaker 6 (58:44):
No.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
Not.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything to
anyone period. I didn't do anything anyone.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Mm hm.
Speaker 6 (59:02):
You anything drunk? Rain never bath room again
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