December 30, 2024 • 88 mins
To Catch a Predator Dustin McPhetridge FULL Police interview
"I thought you was wantin' to be shaved...down there."
-Dustin showing that Barber-ism begins at home.
Dustin Jacob McPhetridge appeared on the Bowling Green, Kentucky investigation of To Catch a Predator. He is most known for his disability, as well as his outrageous demands while in prison.
Dustin McPhetridge was 26 when he arrived at the sting house with the hope of meeting a thirteen year old girl named "Laura" that he thought he was chatting with online. He had a twisted and sordid chat with the girl wanting to shave her privates, get her drunk and have rough anal sex with her. Dustin, the consummate gentleman, gave Laura a choice on where to put his sperm first (mouth, pussy, or ass). He also wanted her to wear a pair of panties for 2-3 days straight and then send them to him. He even sent a picture of a couple having sex. The icing on the cake was when he said that he wanted to have a threesome with her EIGHT year old sister. [1]
After a four hour drive, Dustin waddled into the house with an electric razor and KY Jelly and tried to coax the decoy over to do all the twisted things he had on his mind. He instead got to meet Chris Hansen. Dustin went right into victim mode blaming the girl for the situation, saying she led him on.
After his arrest, Dustin pulls every pity string he can ranging from his disability to his weight to getting bullied with Sgt. Dudinskie, the officer in charge of his interview. Dudinskie fires back with details of his chatlog that showed Dustin to be a very disgusting predator that hid behind his disability. [2]
He was sentenced to five years in prison for traveling across state lines to meet a minor for sex. He was also sentenced to eight years for possession of child pornography. The sentences ran concurrently but because Dustin wasn’t convicted on the CP charge until two years after his first conviction, he actually ended up with a ten year sentence.[3] Dustin was released on lifetime federal sex-offender probation and now helps to run a convenience store in Surgoinsville, Tennessee.
Behind the scenes
Dustin has cerebral palsy. He demonstrated before, during, and after the sting his devious behavior of using his disability to garner sympathy as well as escape trouble. Casey and the lead KBI investigator even said they felt sorry for Dustin when he saw him struggle to enter the house, but kept in mind his reason for showing up at the house was to molest a child.
Partway through serving his sentence, he wrote a letter to his convicting judge saying he had learned his lesson and requesting that he immediately be released from serving the remainder of his sentence. If his request was denied, in lieu of release, he requested a walk-in jacuzzi in his cell. Both requests were denied.
Dustin was scheduled to be back in court February 2020 due to probation violations, mainly failing his sex offender treatment program, subsequently being kicked out, and polygraph tests asking if he had viewed child pornography since his release. A series of continuances have been given due to Dustin's health, COVID-19 concerns, and scheduling conflicts.[4] Dustin was given yet another continuance September 2021 because his family had paid vacation plans. Recent photos show that Dustin uses a wheelchair. During examination of his counselor, he revealed that Dustin has spent the most time of any offender in the program because he either refuses to own the actions that led him to this point, or makes excuses on why he can't make any positive changes in his life. Dustin also gained the ire from his peers in his classes because they believed his rehabilitation to be a waste of time. Time that could be better invested in their recovery.[5]
Trivia
Dustin apparently "doesn't like lawyers", as he revealed in his police interrogation.
Dustin misunderstood Chris when he said he wasn't law enforcement and couldn't arrest him. Dustin thought Chris meant that no arrests were going to be made, which was obviously not the case. Dustin brings this up in his interrogation, saying that he wishes Chris didn't "lie" to him about him not going to be arrested.
Dustin has a large affection for his mother (due to the fact that she talks people out of pressing charges for the things he does), requesting that she be put in custody of him during his trial. The judge denied his request.
Affectionately nicknamed “D-MAC” by fans of To Catch A Predator..
He made a handful of wrestling DVDs for professional wrestler Ricky Morton. He lost all the digital footage when cops seized his computer since it also housed his collection of CP. He also ran Morton's website. In a now infamous article on the site made a couple of months before his arrest, he pleads with the wrestling community to donate to Morton's legal fees stemming fr
"I thought you was wantin' to be shaved...down there."
-Dustin showing that Barber-ism begins at home.
Dustin Jacob McPhetridge appeared on the Bowling Green, Kentucky investigation of To Catch a Predator. He is most known for his disability, as well as his outrageous demands while in prison.
Dustin McPhetridge was 26 when he arrived at the sting house with the hope of meeting a thirteen year old girl named "Laura" that he thought he was chatting with online. He had a twisted and sordid chat with the girl wanting to shave her privates, get her drunk and have rough anal sex with her. Dustin, the consummate gentleman, gave Laura a choice on where to put his sperm first (mouth, pussy, or ass). He also wanted her to wear a pair of panties for 2-3 days straight and then send them to him. He even sent a picture of a couple having sex. The icing on the cake was when he said that he wanted to have a threesome with her EIGHT year old sister. [1]
After a four hour drive, Dustin waddled into the house with an electric razor and KY Jelly and tried to coax the decoy over to do all the twisted things he had on his mind. He instead got to meet Chris Hansen. Dustin went right into victim mode blaming the girl for the situation, saying she led him on.
After his arrest, Dustin pulls every pity string he can ranging from his disability to his weight to getting bullied with Sgt. Dudinskie, the officer in charge of his interview. Dudinskie fires back with details of his chatlog that showed Dustin to be a very disgusting predator that hid behind his disability. [2]
He was sentenced to five years in prison for traveling across state lines to meet a minor for sex. He was also sentenced to eight years for possession of child pornography. The sentences ran concurrently but because Dustin wasn’t convicted on the CP charge until two years after his first conviction, he actually ended up with a ten year sentence.[3] Dustin was released on lifetime federal sex-offender probation and now helps to run a convenience store in Surgoinsville, Tennessee.
Behind the scenes
Dustin has cerebral palsy. He demonstrated before, during, and after the sting his devious behavior of using his disability to garner sympathy as well as escape trouble. Casey and the lead KBI investigator even said they felt sorry for Dustin when he saw him struggle to enter the house, but kept in mind his reason for showing up at the house was to molest a child.
Partway through serving his sentence, he wrote a letter to his convicting judge saying he had learned his lesson and requesting that he immediately be released from serving the remainder of his sentence. If his request was denied, in lieu of release, he requested a walk-in jacuzzi in his cell. Both requests were denied.
Dustin was scheduled to be back in court February 2020 due to probation violations, mainly failing his sex offender treatment program, subsequently being kicked out, and polygraph tests asking if he had viewed child pornography since his release. A series of continuances have been given due to Dustin's health, COVID-19 concerns, and scheduling conflicts.[4] Dustin was given yet another continuance September 2021 because his family had paid vacation plans. Recent photos show that Dustin uses a wheelchair. During examination of his counselor, he revealed that Dustin has spent the most time of any offender in the program because he either refuses to own the actions that led him to this point, or makes excuses on why he can't make any positive changes in his life. Dustin also gained the ire from his peers in his classes because they believed his rehabilitation to be a waste of time. Time that could be better invested in their recovery.[5]
Trivia
Dustin apparently "doesn't like lawyers", as he revealed in his police interrogation.
Dustin misunderstood Chris when he said he wasn't law enforcement and couldn't arrest him. Dustin thought Chris meant that no arrests were going to be made, which was obviously not the case. Dustin brings this up in his interrogation, saying that he wishes Chris didn't "lie" to him about him not going to be arrested.
Dustin has a large affection for his mother (due to the fact that she talks people out of pressing charges for the things he does), requesting that she be put in custody of him during his trial. The judge denied his request.
Affectionately nicknamed “D-MAC” by fans of To Catch A Predator..
He made a handful of wrestling DVDs for professional wrestler Ricky Morton. He lost all the digital footage when cops seized his computer since it also housed his collection of CP. He also ran Morton's website. In a now infamous article on the site made a couple of months before his arrest, he pleads with the wrestling community to donate to Morton's legal fees stemming fr
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you're just ten minutes, If you gotta interviewers gonna
come in here and talk to you in private a
few minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's n guess they gets worse to worse. I've never
imagined afferting anybody, and I've never imagine i'd be arrested
round to jail, HM, police station. Alright, that so good?
(01:08):
M h.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You mean Dustin.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I can't believe I'm here. I can't believe I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Even Well, stuff happens. We'll have a chance talk.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't I've never heard anybody starr.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, I'm not saying you're hurt anybody. Yeah, I'll just
slow down. I'm gonna have to get some information from you. Okay,
don't you know who I am? No, and you're sitting
here telling me your whole life story. Just hold on
a second, Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm too honest about everything with her.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And well we'll get we'll get a chance stalk off
about I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You can see that you want a water no, okay,
I'll call you throw it up right now.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well let's there if you want it, We'll just relax, man,
Just relax, okay, just calm down, all right, We're just
gonna talk, a little bit, all right, and we'll get
some information from you real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, like the day NBC guy I told him.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I'm not with Dateline. I'm okay, I'm not with Dateline.
My name is John, all right, my name is John Doudanski.
I'm with Kentucky Bureau Investigation now the Attorney General's Office.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm an agent and which means I'm a policeman.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Ain't no reason to be all nervous or anything. All
we're gonna do is we're gonna talk. I'm gonna get
your name and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
All right. I'm just all right. But the reason I'm
nervous is because, honestly, my mama, Okay, I'm an only child.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, let's let's do this.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You sound like you want you want to talk to me, okay,
and I.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Want to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But until I tell you this, we need that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just I don't want to jail. I can't. I
can't deal without having the jail. I understand it, because
I mean I can't walk without this, I understand. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Before I ask any questions, you got to know your rights.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say
maybe use against you in quarter. In other proceedings, you
had a right to have an attorney before you make
any statement or answer any questions. You can have your
attorney present during questioning. You may request a court to
a point an attorney for you if you cannot afford
to hire one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
If you start talking to me and you want to
quit talking, you can stop at any time by refusing
to answer questions, or by requesting consultation with your attorney.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
All right, want the lawyers, and I'll be honest. You
don't like lawyers? No? All right.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What this says here is that I've read you your rights.
Do you understand them? Yes, you understand it. You can
stop talking at any time you want to. You can
have an attorney. You can have attorney with you during questioning.
It's eleven o nine.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, forgot, it's the time change.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, we're on Central Time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I'm an idiot. I did a lot of wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, if you understand your rights as I've read them
to you, if you'll sign right here for me, for
it's his signature.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Something I've ever done, he saw. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, this this waiver down here says that you having
the above statement of your rights ready and explain to you,
and you fully understand them, and that's correct, right?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You hereby wave these rights at eleven ten pm and
you're wanting to talk to me, correct sir? I?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, hm, you know the really bad part of this
the daylight on the NBC guy said I wouldn't be
under rest.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could leave hold hold on. I sick, just something
right there? Well, date line doesn't doesn't work for for us.
They're not policemen, they're newspeople, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But that's just wrong that he lied to me.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right, Well, WHATCHU mean on the stand about that?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In a minute. I understand why I'm here, right, But
he should have lied to him, you know, right. He
should have said, well, you are under arrest, like I said.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, I'm gonna turn this on real quick, alright.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And didn't you how about your videotaping now, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Ona tape recorder. I'm old fashioned man, m kay?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well'd you go digital? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I didn't know what this was when it sounded. I
was like, where you put the tape in?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah? I was supposed to buy my buddy one of
those this week so I could write his book.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh yeah, he's gonna write a book.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, he's a wrestler. But I don't mention no names
cause I don't need to be m alright anyway, what's
twenty three eleven and I I'm talking to Dustin.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
What's your last name, Dustin mcfetrick, McFetridge. Yeah, okay, so ever,
the whole world will find me easily alright.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
If it's released. And I mean, I don't want trouble.
I don't like trouble. I'd have never hurt her. I
was gonna meet her. I wasn't gonna force her into anything.
And this m morning, I think it's eleven twelve Eastern time,
she had called me in come see me please because
my parents are gone, be out of town please. I'm like, okay,
(06:43):
I was gonna call. I thought she was gonna call
and we was gonna talk and discuss stuff and everything,
cause she has called me a few times. And I
mean it was out of the order there, and I
like the NBC guys said she's she said she was thirteen.
I thought she was seventeen. Sometimes I have a bad memory.
(07:07):
I know seventeen of the limit too. I was talking
to her, I was thinking, Okay, she turned seventeen, and
then when she turns eighteen, I'll meet her and if
anything's meant to be meant to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Be, then well you're kind of you're kind of starting.
Just just tell me a whole story out there, but
not from the beginning. Why you why you start from
the beginning of how you met her?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And mkay, I can. I was just being honest and.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well I want this from the beginning. Okay, you jumbled
it all up there before me. Start from the beginning.
How'd you happen to meet her?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay? I was in a y'all w chat room. I
don't Tennessee chat room, Tennessee chair room. Yeah, it's a
Tennessee chat room. That's probably one, two, five, seven or nine.
Let's see. Usually once I go through, and I mean,
I've only talked to one other underaged girl and that
(08:06):
was a problem, like I told them to be see guy.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well we'll get through that. Tell me about this girl.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, okay, I am. I'm just trying to explain everything,
and I'm bad at telling stories. Alright. I met her,
I talked to her some, and she's real friendly, real
nice and everything, And like I said, I thought she
said she was seventeen. You know, there's no problem with
talking to somebody or calling somebody. I thought, hey, I
(08:36):
don't think there is is or.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, I mean, no problem talking to somebody who's seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But yeah, go ahead. I mean, well, I'm asking 'e
a little law because I'm I'm not. I know you
can't do nothing with anybody under eighteen if you're over eighteen.
I know that much. Okay. I didn't know if it
was bad for me to pick up the phone and
talk to a seventeen year old and say, hey, how
are you. I didn't know. So you're talking to her, yeah,
(09:08):
and we're friends and everything. She's being sweet and joking
around and stuff, and I mean it's did you ever
see her? I seen photos photo of her or something
on her MySpace?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, did she ever see you?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I gave her my MySpace page. I mean I share information.
I'm a very open person. I mean so like I
told her a few days after we start talking. Yeah,
I have cerebral palsy. I walk with a cane. I
don't know. I don't want to told her about my
hand or not and stuff like that. I'm very open.
(09:51):
I don't want to hurt nobody. And I like to
make friends the internet. It's the best way I can
make friends because people look bad at like a retarded
or something person turning to be friends. Other than that,
I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff that happens
(10:13):
on the internet like this, and people lie, but you
can make some good friends on her and I don't.
It's just and then we just start talking and I
don't know, I lost my head. I've done something stupid
and stuff and I acted on and she encouraged and
(10:41):
she acted a little bit. And I mean, like I
said today, she aged me coming up here. I didn't
have no plan of doing it. I really didn't want to.
But she's a sweet person and I didn't want. I'm
upset her and that was stupid. I should total her no,
and she got mad. Oh well, but I I wasn't thinking, well, like, okay,
(11:06):
y'all meet or hang out. Nothing bad. I mean, I
f stupid thing is I've heard reports like this in
Virginia and other states and stuff like that in these
where those will bring groups and knives and stuff. I
(11:28):
didn't bring.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Do you have anything like that in your car?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No? Would you mind if we looked in your car,
I'll be honest to you everything it's in it as
far as I know.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, what I what I'd like to do is is
get you to say it's okay for as.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To look in your car.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, it's fine, because we wanna verify that you didn't
bring nothing to kill her or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
No, the only bad things I brought was my electric
razer because she said she wanted to be shaved down there.
And I don't know why I did that, and I
think I want I can't remember. I thought I brought
some hand more straws or ky jelly. I don't know
what you did, Okay, I can't remember what was that for.
(12:09):
I don't know. I don't know why I even brought it.
I wasn't thinking. I just picked it up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hey, justin if if we're gonna talk and be honest
with each other, okay, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I know where you're coming from. It's hard to meet people, Okay,
I picked it up. Okay, hold on a sec. I
know how hard it is to meet people. See that,
I'm forty years old, you know what I mean. I
(12:35):
try to meet people all the time. I understand what
it's like to get on the internet. You know what
I mean, to meet people. Okay, I understand what it's
like to go visit people. But I never get in
my car and throw K white jelly in there with
that a reason?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But why did you throw the K white jelly in
the car?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't like, I said, I don't know if it's
ky or okay?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What were you gonna use it for? You can one
for sex, once for washing your hands. You weren't gonna
wash your hands with K?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Why? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What were you gonna use it for?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Was it in case you had sex with her?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah? But I was gonna try not to I understand.
I mean I understood, you got it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I mean, I'm a man too. You gotta try and resist. Yeah,
it's hard, but if it would have happened, if you
had to K why jail?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You were prepared. Yeah, but I mean, I ain't gonna
lie to you.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And I mean, okay, well, let's I don't know, let's
do this right here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Like I said, I'm I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, And I mean, well, I'm not calling you an idiot.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know, I'm calling myself.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Call you when I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna
listen to your story, okay, and we're gonna talk about
a few things that are in your chat, just to
make sure everything's okay. What kind of vehicle are you
driving tonight?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Two thousand and five p T Cruiser And it's actually
in my mother's name on my name?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
What color is? It depends on how the sun hits it.
It's a bluish purple. Okay, I'm being honest. It's it's
a weird color. I've only seen one other one.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like it Tennessee tags. Yes, it's good memory.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Wow, come up with the same.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I couldn't tell you a plate number of my trunck,
and I've had it for five years, so he ever
steals it, I'm a trill.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's the second vehicle I had, and that's the only
vehicle I a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So all right, and I told you already my name
is John Dudinsky, right, yes, and I'm what the Attorney
General's office.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
M h.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Please don't arrestment because it's I can't survive until.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about some stuff,
all right, So just stay calm, drink your water. Relax.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
We I can't drink water. We got we got tired
of talk. Okay, so we're not gonna get in a
hurry about anything. What's a camera recording or something?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, that's so that you know, text both of us
and you can't say I did something to you in here,
and I can't say that you know you did something
you didn't do.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like I said, I'm gonna crop right because I mean,
I'm so guilty. I mean, I'm under a rock.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Okay, What the states is that I did anything but
physical you hereby consent to a complete search of the premises,
property or vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What was all those cameras here? Is that NBC or what? Yeah?
They have to get my permission to use it, don't they.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, you're gonna have to discuss that with them. I
don't have anything to do with that. I'm with the
police agency.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I thought you've all had done this before. I don't,
like I said, I've read about.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Okay, the states that you consent to a complete search
of your vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department and
more particularly described as a two thousand and five pt
cruiser Bluish Purple. You grant this consent to John Dodinsky,
known to you as an agent of the Office of
the Attorney General, and to such other officers deem necessary
(16:58):
to assist. You know that you have a right to
refuse consent, and you voluntarily give up it right. You
know that the agent does not have a search warrant.
You have not been threatened or cohersed in any way,
nor have you been promised to any favor or benefit.
You have read this consent for him, or had it
read to you, and you understand it. The date is
(17:20):
twentieth day of October two thousand seven, and the time
is he live in? Twenty one pm?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And you're gonna allow us to look inside your vehicle? Right, Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I just need to sign right there, you know what
I mean? Honestly, that's all that's in that bag, as
far as in the back. They might be two pairs
of shoes. I'm it's hard from any cleans, weapons or
anything in there. If there is, I'm gonna be mad.
(17:54):
Michal's I don't know about 'em. Okay, there might be
a few DVDs my buddy rustling promotion, but take a bat.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Could you print your name here for me? Place and
name right your address?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
M I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, so bad to that, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
M h, I'll tell you what alright your addressing for you?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What you guys ain't gonna go search a house right now,
(19:14):
are you?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Because this is for your car.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I just need to because I was gonna say, if
y'all are, let me at least tell my mama and
tell her what an idiot I am.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Right, Well, this is just for your car. Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Are you hungry?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, i'd throw up. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Well, I didn't know what your medical situation was. We
needed something to eat to keep your blood shirt.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
As upset as I am, I might have a panic attack,
That's all I want.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Do you take any medication or anything that you're do
for No, I don't. I'm gonna leave this here just
in case you end up needing it.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Okay for me, I think they're gonna let him whenever
you're ready to come up and think that you need something.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
John, give me a right, so you met just take
us back here you meet her online.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You uh talked for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Send each other some pictures, get to know each other,
get the chatting on the internet. She asked, you come up,
you throw ky jelly in the car and just in case,
and I believe you. I guess you tried to resist.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I uh, I mean, I am. I wouldn't force myself
on anybody. And I mean, well, let me ask you this.
I couldn't force myself. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You uh you said you talked to another another girl
that was under age one time.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And what what happened on that m I had originally
talked to an older lady thirty, late thirties, early forties.
Where was she at? The Tri Cities? What's the Tri Cities?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is that what the city's called?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Or it's Kingsport, Johnson City, Bristol, I can't remember which city.
It was all in Tennessee. Yeah, the own report Bristol
and Johnson City. Okay. They called him the Tri Cites
because you can hit any of the one from the
other within like five mile distance or something. It's really
call it the Tri Cities. And she had me to
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start talking to her fourteen year old daughter, and I said,
I didn't want to, and she gave her daughter my
name and everything, and her daughter was wanting a dating
and she was wanting me to The lady was wanting
me to date her daughter, and I was like no,
and I tried to be a pervert to get her
leave me alone. And then her I said, I all,
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I wanted sex.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And did you tell that to the daughter or the
mom or what?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I know? The daughter? And I'm wanting to say the
mom too, What was it? What was mom's name? I
couldn't tell you. This has been I think I'm trying
to go back in my mind two thousand, two thousand
and one. How old were you then? Twenty one?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Twenty Yeah, and it's like, yeah, I'm trying to start
talking to her. And then the mom wants you to
start dating her daughter.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Did she ask you that online? To date her daughter?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I believe someone actually I told the mom was asking
me what I was doing for my birthday. I told
her I was going out to dinner at uh Japanese steakhouse.
What was the name. I'm trying to think that's what
I'm saying. My memory is bad, so I mean that's
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part of cerebral policy. I think it's a little damas
you're there, you're under Uh it's some kind of Chang's
Japanese steakhouse. I told her. She shows up looking for me.
The mom did with the daughter that was a little strange,
and the the man was the the woman's boyfriend was
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a cop. And I mean, I I apologized and I
cleared it up without going to what'd you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Get up to apologize for?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
If she wanted you to date her daughter.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I was trying to cover anything up just so I
didn't go to jail or anything, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
People, there's something missing from that story.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Don't Yeah, I understand, So I'm trying. Okay, So you.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Got online and uh, the mother wants you to go
out her daughter or something, and you tried to act
like a pervert so that you wouldn't not so she
wouldn't want you to date her daughter, right, that's what
you're telling? Yeah, And what type of things did you say?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just want sex, that's all you said. I believe.
So I didn't go into no details like m that
thing over there. I guarantee that I had never met
the girl or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Okay, I mean, so when you said you just wanted sex,
what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Then next thing, I know, she was upset and crying
and I was like, no, I didn't say this at
the restaurant. This was after Yeah, this was after the restaurant.
They didn't find me at the restaurant. Okay. We was
back there in the back at a far end table,
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I think, and they didn't see us or something. I
knew what the mom looked like. An I can't remember
if I seen a picture of the daughter or not,
but I remember the woman had a.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So where did you meet this cop and the girl
and the mom act?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I never mem they Oh, okay, I took the mom
asked me, I think as a mom asked me where
it was what I was doing for my birthday? Cause
I mean, yeah, my birthday's November fifteenth. You know, people
ask who right, That's a common thing online. When's your birthday? Right?
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And yeah, without saying they try to get to know you,
what do you do forever?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
For what I'm saying is before this birthday thing? Before
the birthday thing, you I was trying told her you just.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Wanted death sex. No, I told her after that, after
the birthday thing. Yeah, Because I mean, if they're gonna
find me there. Yeah, a little strange, and I mean
I didn't I told her after that, Yeah, then what happened?
And she was upsetting and I tried to resolve the issue,
and I went to t the technical school I was
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going to then, and I come home that day and
mom's second husband says, you are there's a cop calling
here for you. I'm like, you, what what's going on?
And it was I don't know, I wasn't a sheriff.
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It was a police officer. And he said that they
are thinking about filing charges. And Mom talked talked to him,
and I don't know the whole story that. It's like,
if he apologizes, wolf, we'll leave you alone. So I apologize,
you know, And I because I don't like trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, so you never gotta take it or anything.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
For it or No.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I never ready to go to court.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
No, it was settled over the phone. And you remember
the girl's name, No, I do not, sir. Okay, how
old shit, I wanna say, fourteen. That's why I didn't
wanna talk to her in the first place. M I mean,
I knew back then not to talk to people younger,
cause I mean, and I thought it was weird that
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the mom holped me talk to the daughter. If you knew,
If you knew, why did you talk to this girl?
I'll I I'll talk to anybody on the internet. But
I didn't mean for anything to escalate, escalate to the
way it did. Neither, alright, And I mean you say
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things and you don't think. I mean we all do,
i'd i'd say, and I n I know what's in that?
And you got time to think about it now on
what you said on some of the things you said correctly,
I mean, well, let me let I act a lot
of it on. And she did a couple of things.
She did a couple What did she do to get on?
Like she called me today? You want me to come
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up here.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But you were telling her you were her boyfriend, right, Uh,
you wanted to marry her.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
After she's eighteen? Okay, if we got along, yeah, if
you read that, here's the problem we got ready for.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The problem is you don't want to go to jail
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I want to know. I want to know the story
on what your intent is and what you're planning on doing. Okay,
and some of these things I'm gonna need you explain,
because a jury and a judge are going to be
looking at these things right m and they're gonna say
to themselves, this guy here might have been willing to
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kill this girl or something, because some of this stuff
looks pretty bad. But let's establish right up front, you
knew that she was thirteen. I thought she hold on,
hold on. I told you we're gonna be honest with
each other, all right. I've been totally honest with you,
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and upfront, yes, I expected the same back. Okay, if
you'd have thought she was if you wouldn't have known
she was thirteen or something, why were you right away
worried about a cop and telling her I can't talk
to you in several chats and telling her how to
I mean, I can read this chat right here, and
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it talks about talks about her being thirteen later on,
and that is thirteen days ago, and you're telling her
how to get rid of stuff on the computer, so
nobody knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Didn't want her to get in trouble, so we couldn't
even speak, and I don't I don't you.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Did you not want her to get in trouble? Or
were you worried about you getting in trouble or both.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I was worried about her getting in trouble. You weren't
worried about you getting in trouble.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
When the first thing you say is you're making sure
there's not a cop or anything because you don't want
instant trouble, I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
The part, yeah, I'm I'm being honest. I'm being honest.
The part about showing her how to clear that, well,
so she didn't get trouble with her parents because she
said she wasn't supposed to be on the internet chat.
I didn't want her to get in trouble like that.
And I mean, if I get in trouble, I mean
(30:48):
I have to deal with the consequences. I'm dealing with
them now and I hate them, and I don't I mean,
some stupid choices and I don't want I wish I
could take it back, and I don't know. I heard
nobody and that's the truth. And I said some stupid things.
And Aaron, when when you tell her to.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You want to hide hide the stuff that's on there
and had archives stuff. You know, a lot of this
leads up to you wanting to protect yourself more than
worrying about her. Am I pretty accurate on that?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I was thinking more of her, but yeah, it
was for me too. And like I said, I don't
want trouble. I mean, I don't want nobody to get
in trouble. I'm not I'm not blaming you, but what
I got to get to the bottom of heim Okay,
I'm I've got.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To get to the bottom of what's going on. And
when you tell me half the truth first and then
the other half of the truth later, and I gotta
ask ten more questions, all you're doing is make it
hard on me. And like I told you, Judge and
Jerry's gonna hear this. You have things in here, asking
her if she's if she's had her her first period yet.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know you have things in here. It sounds as.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
If you want to take her off somewhere, buy her
from her mom.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah that was a joke, Okay, Yeah, I mean I
said a lot of things that you're willing to take
her marry or you want her to send her panties.
I know that one was I don't know her social
Security number, like I said, so that you can find
her if something happened after if we lost contact between
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now and when she was eighteen. That's what that was for.
I'm being totally honest, And the paintings was a stupid thing.
And I was just to say if she was real,
all right, And that's being honest.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
On the thirteenth, you knew she was a thirteen year
old girl, correct by what I just read you. And
you just told me that, right, I'm guessing's that I'm
bad with dates. Okay, that was seven days ago. And
she being supposedly is what you're thinking or whatever you're saying.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I can't say she was.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You're saying, I can't wait to get your cherry, which.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm an old man.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I might have been out of the system for a while,
but that means that you're going to take her virginia.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You're going to take her virginity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
But now hold on a second, and you came up here,
I didn't have eleven o'clock at night to me because I.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Couldn't get here any faster.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I would have been here during the day, would you.
You'd been here during the day. And I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You've said her pornography over the internet and what set
a photo wealth?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Because she said she'd never seen a penis before?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And why did you send it to her?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
That. I don't know because she said she never seen one. Okay.
And I mean, if somebody asked me a question out
of curiosity, or how do I do something, I'm stupid
enough to tell.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I try to help people. I share knowledge if I have. Remember,
we're being honest with you. Let's be honest. Okay. If
somebody asks you how to build a bird house, you
might send him a diagram. Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But a.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Girl at age asks you or says she never seen
a penis, and I don't recall her asking you. I've
read the entire her string a chat and she never
asked you send her what a picture of penis would
look like?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right? I asked her, she said, hold on.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But she's asking you or telling you she's not seen
a penis or nothing?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Were you trying to get her excited about sex? No, sir,
how many of these chats do I have to read
out loud for you to say the truth of what
you were doing. You're asking her to touch herself. You're
asking her if you show up, will she touch you.
(35:36):
If that's not trying to get somebody excited about sex,
what's it trying to do? You're not sending her birdhouse
a few of them? But was did you send that
pornography to introduce her to sex? Why did you send it?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Then? Because she said you never seen one? And I mean,
I'm being awest.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Okay, why does it? Why does a girl that age
have to see one?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I don't know. I don't have no answer for that one.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Mm hmm, there is no was it educator about six?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Subconsciously? I guess so, because I mean I didn't think
that when I was seeing it neither, and I mean
I don't. I was just she was.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
She was your girlfriend on the internet, and I can
appreciate that a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, you're you're thinking, you're.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Thinking, you're gonna, you're gonna, I'm gonna have a girlfriend
for life?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Correct, Yeah, because I get lonely and I mean understood
a lot of people look down upon me for my
disability and it hurts. Hey, I've hadn't mean a breakdown.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You're looking at a chubby ball guy, buddy.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It ain't well, you ain't chubby. I'm chubby.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
It ain't easy I know it ain't easy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I know it ain't easy, man. But you met her,
she was your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
You're gonna have You were gonna come up here, You're
gonna meet her. You're gonna watch some movies. Right, Yeah,
that's what's where you watch.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't know. Okay, it figured she the way she
described it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
She was willing based on everything you said. Were you
gonna have sex with her?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You wanna thin? It's true.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
That's why I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I I was gonna meet her, and we may have,
we may not have if we got along.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If not, why did you bring the kite jelly? It
was to have sex, correct with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
If if it led up to that, Because I mean,
like I said, if it led up to that, if
I didn't plan on having sex. I didn't come up
here planning on not having sex having it either way,
Like I said, I picked it up. I grabbed it.
I grabbed a few things really quick. You grabbed Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
If I'm going out on the first date, my first
thought is and throw some k white jelly in the truck.
If I know that that this girl is a sure thing,
I'm gonna throw some Khye jailly in the truck. I
mean you did you throw the k white Jailly in
the truck because you're pretty sure you're gonna have sex
if somebody wants you to come that far to see them.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, sir, I mean you didn't. You didn't take it
that she wanted to have sex from Do you have
to read the chats? No, sir, okay, No, you pretty
much knew that you were coming up here for sex. Correct, No, sir,
it was one of those fis. And I understand where
you're coming from. You won't make me read the chats again, No, sir,
(38:32):
I understand what we said. Okay. I asked her if
we was where do you want.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
My sperm first, mouth, pussy or ass?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean that wasn't in reference of meeting today. Okay,
I want all I want to do.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Okay, A lot of this is get on with this interview,
but we got to get over this hurdle.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I know, Okay, I know, we got to get to
the truth there.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did you come up here expecting to have sex with
this girl? Bit because of her emails back to you? No,
you say, and you want to have sex and she's like, yeah,
that sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
No, sir, I mean it was one of those fifty
to fifty things she wanted fifty to fifty if we
could have had sex. We could not have had sex.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And I mean, but you would have had sex if
you hit it off with her.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
If we got alone, and I thought it was a
meaningful relationship honestly, then yeah, okay, but if we didn't
get along, no, because I'm not only these people that well,
you asked her to be naked for you to get here.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
In one of your chats way back when y'all talked
about me the first time, you said something about being
naked when you get there and your panties or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Forget exactly how you were it. We're trying to think
of that one myself, sir, And I'm being honest. I
wanna get you drunk later on.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, this is a this is a twelve year old girl.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know the drinking age in Kentucky eighteen. Okay, Yeah,
I didn't tell you one, but I wouldn't remember what
I told you.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Before about a judge and jury is going to hear this.
It sounds to me like you wanted to hurt somebody.
Would you be mad if I got you drunk and
had sex with you. However, I wanted in the next
day you were in pain. I wanted if you really
hard one time. Now when you were coming up here.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I forgot I even had that conversation, that's what you
want to do. That's what you're telling her you want
to do. That was not if you have a meaningful relationship.
Were you wanting to have a meaningful relationship and make
love to this girl or were you wanting to just
do her real hard and treat her bad and bet
on her. I was wanting to have a real relationship.
(41:00):
That was m That was meant for much later on.
And I don't even know why I even come up
with that one and said that, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
But if things would have worked at you to head
sex with her.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Tonight, if we got along and stuff, and I mean,
I don't know, alright. I mean, I've met people I'll
i'll find before and I've met people.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You spend a lot of time on the computer.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, because I mean I've sat there and I played
games on the computer and on the Xbox three sixty minutes.
I mean I don't have much else to do, because
I mean I've tried to look for a real job
and it's impossible to find a job. It's gonna be
(41:53):
real pos impossible after this, But people would do.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Computer's a good thing, you know, if youse correctly A
computers good place to meet friends.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, and I mean other than the this situation, that
other one I told you about. I've never done anything
like that. What all chat rooms do you visit? Uh?
The Tennessee ones I listed earlier are like one, two, three, five,
seven nine. I think how do.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
They look on the internet? Is it Tennessee one or something?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah? You just sign sign in and then uh, wrestling
chat room?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Wrestling chat room. Have you ever met anybody in any
other chat rooms that you've had sex with?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Any of 'em under age? No, sir, we know what's
their screen names?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Do you remember any of 'em? I can try to
as ects perfect drug xx. I think where did you
meet these people at? Which chat rooms? The same ones?
This is? This has been over years and years, so
it's hard to say. And she was talking to me
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about she had moved back to Tennessee and she would
like to see me again, and it's like, okay, I
talked to her so and then she disappeared again. The
one not this one, the one you had sex with. Yeah,
and she was I'll say twenty one, twenty one nobody underage? No, sir?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
All right, what's your cell phone number?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
And if I had the phone in front of me,
I can tell you who say if I had had
anything with him? How are there? Where do you live
at right now? At home with my mama? I mean,
(44:44):
like I would rather break the stupid news to her first.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Okay, what up? What city is that again?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I mean, like I said, I don't want to go
to jail. I can't live in jail and I don't
want no problems.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And I now when you live there with her? Is
that your computer? Is that her computer or.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
She bought it? But I use it? Where's it at
in the house? And I guess it's my living area?
Your living area? Yeah, I mean I've got a bedroom.
I've got two bedrooms. One one's got my bed in
and then the other one's computer desk and that you'ary, yeah,
(45:32):
computer desk.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Does she use the computer?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
She has a few times, she's used it a few
she had her own and it tore up. She uses
that occasionally and stuff. So did she You and your
mom just lived together? Her third husband. He lives there too.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know, does he use your computer?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Mm, he's used it a couple times to look at
X rays, and he's used hers a couple of times
X rays. He's got a bad back and that, oh okay,
and he's not very computer literate. What kind of computer
is it?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Just?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Uh when I customer ordered, Oh you custom ordered? Yeah,
I ordered the parts and I had a friend to
help me build it. Oh. Really, I can do I
can do parts of it, but I can't do a
few things with it because somewhat depends on the subject.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I mean, until two years ago, I didn't know there
was a caps lock, but didn't know what that meant,
so I didn't touch it.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
But you can build one s with a little help,
you know. I mean, it's just buying the parts and
stuff from the side. And what about uh a webcam?
You got one of them? No, sir, I had a
uh I had a uh some kind of cheap digital
camera that they had on TV. I pluged it up
(47:03):
once to see what it was about a webcam. And
I don't even know where the thing is that it's
either in the clouse or buried in the computer desk.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
One do you have any pornography on your computer? Yes, sir,
anything of anybody under age?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You don't think so how could you not know? Did
you ever see any underage on your on your computer
or view any images.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Or viewed images before? I think of underage people not
m meaning to, and I don't know what I was
saved on it. What do you mean not meaning to?
How can you not mean to? I mean you go
on the Internet and look at porn on you don't
know if they're of age or not. Some are.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well, remember I just told you I just found a
caps locked but a couple of years ago. So I'm
not real computer savvy. So explain to me how you
get porn on the internet. I understand you can punch
in porn, but when I'm talking about is underage people?
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Do you do you exchange porn with other people? No, sir? Okay,
how do you I have I've ha well, I will
change that story a small bit. I have a female
friend that has sent me a couple fo female photos
of a couple of her friends on a adult friend
Finder or something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Okay, So, so the pornal that you're looking at is
off of websites.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, yeah, and off of emul x, and I mean
off of what a download program? Download program?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
What did you call it?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Just now, emulex, eMule x, it's emul But you don't
have to share stuff to send, so.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That could be just other people sending you stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah. Do you uh, do you save porn on your computer?
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Studios or just pictures or or both or both.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And I'm I need to deleted it. I meant to,
do you burn any CDs or anything of it? I
think they have been burnt CDs of it, and I
don't know exactly where they are. I don't know if
they're on the desk, if I'm throwing away or what.
I can't. I mean, I'm getting rid of it as
soon as I go home because I don't want trouble.
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And I and I mean, I've I helped my buddy
do DVDs, and I mean I.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
He did y'all ever burn any porn DVDs?
Speaker 7 (49:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
He he He does wrestling DVDs of himself. Okay, that
over the years, And I've edded the matches down right
so he can sell 'em and stuff, cause they're they're
his matches. I mean, I can't lose the computer because
I can't help him if I lose the computer and
(50:04):
I help him with his website. And I mean, I'm
being honest with you, sir. I mean like, as soon
as I get out here, I'll go home and delete
in porno off the web, off the computer, go through
every DVD I have CD, whatever I say, DVD and CD.
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And it's the same thing to me, because it's the.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Basics pornography in itself. Looking at porno isn't necessarily legal.
What I'm interested in is if you have pornography of
underage people and you told me not that you know of,
what is the likelihood that we're gonna find something that's
somebody underage?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's probably a few photos and few videos that I
have downloaded of underage people. Yeah, but like I said,
I ain't went through you downloaded him. Yeah, but you
sam that I have not went through all of 'em.
But did Yeah, they're on the hard drive. And I
mean there's a at one point it was saving things
(51:12):
in different voters, and I had not went through everything
to see what it is. Right, That's what I'm saying,
did you, uh, what's the likelihood that you burned any
of these two disc where there's underage people. I don't
think I had, because the ones you don't think.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I'm asking you is, do you remember ever burning any The.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Only ones that I've burnt to DVD I had viewed
and there was no children in them.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Did you ever share any pornography with underage people?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
No? I don't share period. Once you get at yours, yeah,
you got to find it yourself, okay. And I mean
because I don't know who's who would be on the
other end.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
So your mom and I guess your stepdad and you
you live in this house as anybody else lives. There
no children.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
At one point her niece was staying with us, and
I wouldn't your mom's niece. Yeah, and I would never
think of doing anything. And how old was she? You're
asking a hard question because I can't even remember my
birthday sometimes six to eight. And I mean, you never
(52:39):
did nothing with her. God know what's her name. I
don't know her lastening.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
And who's your internet provider?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's changed over the years, and if they don't change,
but it's gonna be Earthlink because they had messed up
my inner my credit card bill.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
M.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
When's the last time you get on your computer to
uh receive pornography?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
To receive porn being a while, been a while, been
a long time. When's the last time you chatted with
a girl other than the girl that you got picked
up for tonight? In what manner?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Talking about sex or anything?
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I was aggravating a late twenty year old last night
or the night before, aggravating her about sex?
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I think I she was was joking around about my
space and she said, oh no, well, yepset they ain't
no uh sex sex survey. I said, no, but what's
your favorite position? That's all?
Speaker 4 (54:12):
It was?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
All it was, I was, And I said, what was it?
Would you run away with me? I think it was
just choking with it. I mean, her husband's around joking
and I would never do anything like that, And I mean,
(54:34):
it's alright, I got it go. Did you have a
driver's lescens in your wallet? Yes?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, I gotta go get your driver's lessons real quick, okay,
and then I'll be right back and we'll finish up
and we'll get you take care of so you can
get out of here.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Okay, Kay, what's gonna happen to you?
Speaker 4 (54:50):
So?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Well? I'm gonna release you to a transport off, sir.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
They're gonna take you over to the jail, okay, and
they're gonna let you make bond. Alright.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
What's how much is bond? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
We don't sit there, dude. I have jail sets that
I can't make bond there. Well, there's a lot of
different options on it, too, but I don't I don't
know what they're offering tonight or what. Well that like,
people can sign for a year, they can wire you,
but it's all up to the judge and up to
the jail. I don't have any control on that. Okay,
But let me get your driver's license.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'll come back and talk to you just one minute, okay,
in the time I can't quit off the imus ho
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CA ammunition s eight. Hey, bud, mm hmmm hot here
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you hut mmm. Here's what we're going.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Okay, Well, here's what we need to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Do real quick.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
All right, okay, all right, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Fill this out right here. Let me ask you this
on your house. I got an address here of house,
(01:01:58):
correct sir, not duplex, nothing like that. It's a single house.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yes, yeah, I thought, well, I thought, mom had changed it.
I can't do nothing. Yeah, I get this, Okay, they
put red light. The cameras up there in Kingsport had
a couple red lights. And I ain't say nothing bad,
but they changed the timing goal from like five or
(01:02:27):
six seconds to three seconds. And I get to the
second hash marking before the red light, it goes to yelling.
You know. I thought I could go through it, and
I get halfway blow it and it goes red. Because
I mean two hash markings, You're gonna slam on your
brakes and probably hit the steering wheel. So I had
(01:02:50):
to go through it. And I mean on the registration
that says, right, the ticket only come in Mom's name.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
And Mom probably wasn't happy, was she?
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
She said, she was like, well, you owe me a
hundred dollars. Oh god, that was me because another car
runs the red line at the same time on the
other side.
Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Well, and it's a single house. What color is it?
Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Why A while, I guess is it? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
What's on the outside of it? Is it sighting or yeah, silent?
Is it vinyl or what?
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Or it's silly? I mean vinyl siding, vinyl sighting? What
are y'all gonna search it now.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Well, I got nowhere it's at and what the description is, and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Uh, before you all do, could I please call her
and let her know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Well, you're gonna get to make a phone call at
the jail, and you live along ways away, so you know,
i'd say.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
It'd probably be a gass.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, Well, I mean I would, I would guess yeah,
But I have no control on that. I mean, I'm
not I'm not going down there to search it, okay,
but somebody might and I have no control over when
you get your phone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Called to jail. Okay. Well, I mean I understand she's
gonna be pissed off either way.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Your house is Vinyl sighting?
Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Is there one or two stories? One one story? Is
there a garage on it or anything? Carpoor, gravel, driveway,
iron shutters?
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Is there a number on it? I don't think, or
in a mailbox out front or.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Anything should be. I'm trying to think of the it's
still there or not? There's a they is or was?
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Memory is bad. I wanting to say there's gold numbers
on the post carport that says one for.
Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
An it's the most unusual, but think about your house.
If I wanted to pick it out, what would I
look for?
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
It's the only one on it side of the street
that's got a gravel driveway and a carport. Okay, only one,
I believe so, And I mean, you ain't gonna miss
it with that description.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
What about the other side of the street. Are there
ones with gravel driveway?
Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
No houses? I think one trailer has a gravel driveway.
Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Any other ones that have car ports?
Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
There's a couple, but that's the only vinyl I think
with uh carpoord.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
This uh stepdaddy yours. Has he ever been arrested?
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I don't know. I don't know if he has any
or not in there. Then I think they might be
a rifle b B gun behind the door.
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
But you've never seen any guns other than the BB gun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
At one point Mom had like a little Dollinger, but
I think she either gave it away or throw it
away because it didn't work. That was on top of
the refrigerator, right, I guess. I don't know. It's a
tie about that long, and I mean I don't I
can't fire him, so I don't own any The only
(01:06:50):
gun I may have was a light gun for a
video game system. I think I seen that the other
day when I went there for a controller. But I
mean that ain't an Do you have any dogs or anything?
I think mom's keeping her, her brother's dog and her
and there's a cat. What kind of dog? It's like
(01:07:13):
a six or eight weight pit bull? Does a bite playfully?
Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Okay, we don't quote grab your leg and try and
take a chunk out of you and kill you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
What's about like that?
Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I mean, can you walk up and pet it and stuff?
Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I dad, haven't it?
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Then go for your throat? Yeah? Alright, alright, Well what.
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go out here, finish
up your citation, hand it off to the all streets,
gonna transport.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You justin good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Do you have anything to tell me before I leave
anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I worry that I didn't mean no harm, and I
know I said in criminal stupid stuff, and I'm an idiot,
and I mean that's a god's own strut. And I
don't want trouble and I don't wanna go to jail,
and I don't wanna put up the legal system, and
I I hate that I'm wasting your time, but.
Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Doing doing what you need to.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Do.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I believe I doing this.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Leanna get NBC is gonna follow me around everywhere? Well,
they're the media, and I don't run the media.
Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
Okay, alright, I'm gonna go out here like this, citation
up the back with you, S.
Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
S S S S.
Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
S S S S. Kay, mister mcfetrick. We just need
(01:14:19):
to get your solid security numbers so we can process
the peoplework. Can I get that from you? I believe
that's correct. I wouldn't right now the way I feel.
(01:14:41):
And you might want to check the driver's lessons. Okay, No,
it ain't even on the drivers lessons, So yeah, I
think that's it. We'll cross check it. If it ain't.
I mean, oh god, I'm about to have a mental
breakdown because I just can't believe I'm here. I can't believe.
I don't what I done, went through with what I did,
and I wouldn't. Yeah, well we'll cross check this, Thank.
Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
You, USU, US.
Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
USA.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Alright, could you set really get.
Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
You out of here?
Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Up? Were they already saying cops.
Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
The house for third No?
Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
What are they gonna do? Confiscate all the CDs and
computer or now.
Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
They computer you use is the only computer in the house,
right it it's in your area?
Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Yea?
Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Uh are there any of the computers in the house.
N The only other computer that was in the house, yeah,
was broken. And where's it at at a friend's house.
We're trying to figure out if we can fix it
or not. Alright, but there's nothing on it. And honestly,
I'll I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
If you usual a friend, is it the same wrestling
buddy friend?
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Hm?
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
On the computer deal, all the stuff that I've ever
downloaded is on the secondary hard drive. Right, So if
the cops want that, if they would allow me to
keep the computer and me just give the him the
hard drive, I would take you out and hand it
to him and let them.
Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
See the Alright, what's your right color?
Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Huh? What's right color?
Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
It changes green? It really it's some days it's green blue.
And what's your approximate week two sixty? What's your home phone?
It's all always connect to the internet.
Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
So, okay, do you have an emergency phone number?
Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
So I'll be calling here? And what's this? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Where this other computer is? Your old computer? What's what's
that person's name? Where it's at?
Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Ben? Do you know his last name? Do you know
his address?
Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Just Ben?
Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Would your mom know where to find him?
Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Don't think so, I'll never What's do he repair his
computers for living? Okay? If if the police won't, it'll
take it to him. Okay, alright, cause I mean I
ain't gonna fight you guys, because I mean if I
fight you guys, that's gonna make you everything burst on.
Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Mean, so out right, what's your what's your You ever
been married at all?
Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
So are you divorced?
Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Sir? Alright, I just probably probably want don't be crazy.
You wanna come out here? You come home with me,
m ms Hong Saut the red short. I just need
(01:27:10):
to stand over your home.
Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
That's like your picture of it, you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
With your backs with the white holle.
Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
This come from you that stay.
Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
There.
Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
A picture of means take.
Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
It. Really, it's some days it's green blue. And what's
your approximate weight? Two fifty two sixty? John? Keep read.
Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
In right here?
Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
W take the shoes
If you're just ten minutes, If you gotta interviewers gonna
come in here and talk to you in private a
few minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's n guess they gets worse to worse. I've never
imagined afferting anybody, and I've never imagine i'd be arrested
round to jail, HM, police station. Alright, that so good?
(01:08):
M h.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You mean Dustin.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I can't believe I'm here. I can't believe I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Even Well, stuff happens. We'll have a chance talk.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't I've never heard anybody starr.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, I'm not saying you're hurt anybody. Yeah, I'll just
slow down. I'm gonna have to get some information from you. Okay,
don't you know who I am? No, and you're sitting
here telling me your whole life story. Just hold on
a second, Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm too honest about everything with her.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And well we'll get we'll get a chance stalk off
about I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You can see that you want a water no, okay,
I'll call you throw it up right now.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well let's there if you want it, We'll just relax, man,
Just relax, okay, just calm down, all right, We're just
gonna talk, a little bit, all right, and we'll get
some information from you real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, like the day NBC guy I told him.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I'm not with Dateline. I'm okay, I'm not with Dateline.
My name is John, all right, my name is John Doudanski.
I'm with Kentucky Bureau Investigation now the Attorney General's Office.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm an agent and which means I'm a policeman.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Ain't no reason to be all nervous or anything. All
we're gonna do is we're gonna talk. I'm gonna get
your name and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
All right. I'm just all right. But the reason I'm
nervous is because, honestly, my mama, Okay, I'm an only child.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, let's let's do this.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You sound like you want you want to talk to me, okay,
and I.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Want to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But until I tell you this, we need that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just I don't want to jail. I can't. I
can't deal without having the jail. I understand it, because
I mean I can't walk without this, I understand. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Before I ask any questions, you got to know your rights.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say
maybe use against you in quarter. In other proceedings, you
had a right to have an attorney before you make
any statement or answer any questions. You can have your
attorney present during questioning. You may request a court to
a point an attorney for you if you cannot afford
to hire one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
If you start talking to me and you want to
quit talking, you can stop at any time by refusing
to answer questions, or by requesting consultation with your attorney.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
All right, want the lawyers, and I'll be honest. You
don't like lawyers? No? All right.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What this says here is that I've read you your rights.
Do you understand them? Yes, you understand it. You can
stop talking at any time you want to. You can
have an attorney. You can have attorney with you during questioning.
It's eleven o nine.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, forgot, it's the time change.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, we're on Central Time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I'm an idiot. I did a lot of wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, if you understand your rights as I've read them
to you, if you'll sign right here for me, for
it's his signature.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Something I've ever done, he saw. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, this this waiver down here says that you having
the above statement of your rights ready and explain to you,
and you fully understand them, and that's correct, right?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You hereby wave these rights at eleven ten pm and
you're wanting to talk to me, correct sir? I?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, hm, you know the really bad part of this
the daylight on the NBC guy said I wouldn't be
under rest.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could leave hold hold on. I sick, just something
right there? Well, date line doesn't doesn't work for for us.
They're not policemen, they're newspeople, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But that's just wrong that he lied to me.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right, Well, WHATCHU mean on the stand about that?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In a minute. I understand why I'm here, right, But
he should have lied to him, you know, right. He
should have said, well, you are under arrest, like I said.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, I'm gonna turn this on real quick, alright.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And didn't you how about your videotaping now, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Ona tape recorder. I'm old fashioned man, m kay?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well'd you go digital? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I didn't know what this was when it sounded. I
was like, where you put the tape in?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah? I was supposed to buy my buddy one of
those this week so I could write his book.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh yeah, he's gonna write a book.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, he's a wrestler. But I don't mention no names
cause I don't need to be m alright anyway, what's
twenty three eleven and I I'm talking to Dustin.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
What's your last name, Dustin mcfetrick, McFetridge. Yeah, okay, so ever,
the whole world will find me easily alright.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
If it's released. And I mean, I don't want trouble.
I don't like trouble. I'd have never hurt her. I
was gonna meet her. I wasn't gonna force her into anything.
And this m morning, I think it's eleven twelve Eastern time,
she had called me in come see me please because
my parents are gone, be out of town please. I'm like, okay,
(06:43):
I was gonna call. I thought she was gonna call
and we was gonna talk and discuss stuff and everything,
cause she has called me a few times. And I
mean it was out of the order there, and I
like the NBC guys said she's she said she was thirteen.
I thought she was seventeen. Sometimes I have a bad memory.
(07:07):
I know seventeen of the limit too. I was talking
to her, I was thinking, Okay, she turned seventeen, and
then when she turns eighteen, I'll meet her and if
anything's meant to be meant to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Be, then well you're kind of you're kind of starting.
Just just tell me a whole story out there, but
not from the beginning. Why you why you start from
the beginning of how you met her?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And mkay, I can. I was just being honest and.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well I want this from the beginning. Okay, you jumbled
it all up there before me. Start from the beginning.
How'd you happen to meet her?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay? I was in a y'all w chat room. I
don't Tennessee chat room, Tennessee chair room. Yeah, it's a
Tennessee chat room. That's probably one, two, five, seven or nine.
Let's see. Usually once I go through, and I mean,
I've only talked to one other underaged girl and that
(08:06):
was a problem, like I told them to be see guy.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well we'll get through that. Tell me about this girl.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, okay, I am. I'm just trying to explain everything,
and I'm bad at telling stories. Alright. I met her,
I talked to her some, and she's real friendly, real
nice and everything, And like I said, I thought she
said she was seventeen. You know, there's no problem with
talking to somebody or calling somebody. I thought, hey, I
(08:36):
don't think there is is or.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, I mean, no problem talking to somebody who's seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But yeah, go ahead. I mean, well, I'm asking 'e
a little law because I'm I'm not. I know you
can't do nothing with anybody under eighteen if you're over eighteen.
I know that much. Okay. I didn't know if it
was bad for me to pick up the phone and
talk to a seventeen year old and say, hey, how
are you. I didn't know. So you're talking to her, yeah,
(09:08):
and we're friends and everything. She's being sweet and joking
around and stuff, and I mean it's did you ever
see her? I seen photos photo of her or something
on her MySpace?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, did she ever see you?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I gave her my MySpace page. I mean I share information.
I'm a very open person. I mean so like I
told her a few days after we start talking. Yeah,
I have cerebral palsy. I walk with a cane. I
don't know. I don't want to told her about my
hand or not and stuff like that. I'm very open.
(09:51):
I don't want to hurt nobody. And I like to
make friends the internet. It's the best way I can
make friends because people look bad at like a retarded
or something person turning to be friends. Other than that,
I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff that happens
(10:13):
on the internet like this, and people lie, but you
can make some good friends on her and I don't.
It's just and then we just start talking and I
don't know, I lost my head. I've done something stupid
and stuff and I acted on and she encouraged and
(10:41):
she acted a little bit. And I mean, like I
said today, she aged me coming up here. I didn't
have no plan of doing it. I really didn't want to.
But she's a sweet person and I didn't want. I'm
upset her and that was stupid. I should total her no,
and she got mad. Oh well, but I I wasn't thinking, well, like, okay,
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y'all meet or hang out. Nothing bad. I mean, I
f stupid thing is I've heard reports like this in
Virginia and other states and stuff like that in these
where those will bring groups and knives and stuff. I
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didn't bring.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Do you have anything like that in your car?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No? Would you mind if we looked in your car,
I'll be honest to you everything it's in it as
far as I know.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, what I what I'd like to do is is
get you to say it's okay for as.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To look in your car.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, it's fine, because we wanna verify that you didn't
bring nothing to kill her or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
No, the only bad things I brought was my electric
razer because she said she wanted to be shaved down there.
And I don't know why I did that, and I
think I want I can't remember. I thought I brought
some hand more straws or ky jelly. I don't know
what you did, Okay, I can't remember what was that for.
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I don't know. I don't know why I even brought it.
I wasn't thinking. I just picked it up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hey, justin if if we're gonna talk and be honest
with each other, okay, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I know where you're coming from. It's hard to meet people, Okay,
I picked it up. Okay, hold on a sec. I
know how hard it is to meet people. See that,
I'm forty years old, you know what I mean. I
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try to meet people all the time. I understand what
it's like to get on the internet. You know what
I mean, to meet people. Okay, I understand what it's
like to go visit people. But I never get in
my car and throw K white jelly in there with
that a reason?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But why did you throw the K white jelly in
the car?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't like, I said, I don't know if it's
ky or okay?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What were you gonna use it for? You can one
for sex, once for washing your hands. You weren't gonna
wash your hands with K?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Why? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What were you gonna use it for?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Was it in case you had sex with her?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah? But I was gonna try not to I understand.
I mean I understood, you got it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I mean, I'm a man too. You gotta try and resist. Yeah,
it's hard, but if it would have happened, if you
had to K why jail?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You were prepared. Yeah, but I mean, I ain't gonna
lie to you.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And I mean, okay, well, let's I don't know, let's
do this right here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Like I said, I'm I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, And I mean, well, I'm not calling you an idiot.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know, I'm calling myself.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Call you when I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna
listen to your story, okay, and we're gonna talk about
a few things that are in your chat, just to
make sure everything's okay. What kind of vehicle are you
driving tonight?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Two thousand and five p T Cruiser And it's actually
in my mother's name on my name?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
What color is? It depends on how the sun hits it.
It's a bluish purple. Okay, I'm being honest. It's it's
a weird color. I've only seen one other one.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like it Tennessee tags. Yes, it's good memory.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Wow, come up with the same.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I couldn't tell you a plate number of my trunck,
and I've had it for five years, so he ever
steals it, I'm a trill.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's the second vehicle I had, and that's the only
vehicle I a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So all right, and I told you already my name
is John Dudinsky, right, yes, and I'm what the Attorney
General's office.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
M h.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Please don't arrestment because it's I can't survive until.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about some stuff,
all right, So just stay calm, drink your water. Relax.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
We I can't drink water. We got we got tired
of talk. Okay, so we're not gonna get in a
hurry about anything. What's a camera recording or something?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, that's so that you know, text both of us
and you can't say I did something to you in here,
and I can't say that you know you did something
you didn't do.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like I said, I'm gonna crop right because I mean,
I'm so guilty. I mean, I'm under a rock.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Okay, What the states is that I did anything but
physical you hereby consent to a complete search of the premises,
property or vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What was all those cameras here? Is that NBC or what? Yeah?
They have to get my permission to use it, don't they.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, you're gonna have to discuss that with them. I
don't have anything to do with that. I'm with the
police agency.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I thought you've all had done this before. I don't,
like I said, I've read about.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Okay, the states that you consent to a complete search
of your vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department and
more particularly described as a two thousand and five pt
cruiser Bluish Purple. You grant this consent to John Dodinsky,
known to you as an agent of the Office of
the Attorney General, and to such other officers deem necessary
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to assist. You know that you have a right to
refuse consent, and you voluntarily give up it right. You
know that the agent does not have a search warrant.
You have not been threatened or cohersed in any way,
nor have you been promised to any favor or benefit.
You have read this consent for him, or had it
read to you, and you understand it. The date is
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twentieth day of October two thousand seven, and the time
is he live in? Twenty one pm?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And you're gonna allow us to look inside your vehicle? Right, Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I just need to sign right there, you know what
I mean? Honestly, that's all that's in that bag, as
far as in the back. They might be two pairs
of shoes. I'm it's hard from any cleans, weapons or
anything in there. If there is, I'm gonna be mad.
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Michal's I don't know about 'em. Okay, there might be
a few DVDs my buddy rustling promotion, but take a bat.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Could you print your name here for me? Place and
name right your address?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
M I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, so bad to that, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
M h, I'll tell you what alright your addressing for you?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What you guys ain't gonna go search a house right now,
(19:14):
are you?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Because this is for your car.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I just need to because I was gonna say, if
y'all are, let me at least tell my mama and
tell her what an idiot I am.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Right, Well, this is just for your car. Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Are you hungry?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, i'd throw up. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Well, I didn't know what your medical situation was. We
needed something to eat to keep your blood shirt.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
As upset as I am, I might have a panic attack,
That's all I want.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Do you take any medication or anything that you're do
for No, I don't. I'm gonna leave this here just
in case you end up needing it.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Okay for me, I think they're gonna let him whenever
you're ready to come up and think that you need something.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
John, give me a right, so you met just take
us back here you meet her online.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You uh talked for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Send each other some pictures, get to know each other,
get the chatting on the internet. She asked, you come up,
you throw ky jelly in the car and just in case,
and I believe you. I guess you tried to resist.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I uh, I mean, I am. I wouldn't force myself
on anybody. And I mean, well, let me ask you this.
I couldn't force myself. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You uh you said you talked to another another girl
that was under age one time.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And what what happened on that m I had originally
talked to an older lady thirty, late thirties, early forties.
Where was she at? The Tri Cities? What's the Tri Cities?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is that what the city's called?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Or it's Kingsport, Johnson City, Bristol, I can't remember which city.
It was all in Tennessee. Yeah, the own report Bristol
and Johnson City. Okay. They called him the Tri Cites
because you can hit any of the one from the
other within like five mile distance or something. It's really
call it the Tri Cities. And she had me to
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start talking to her fourteen year old daughter, and I said,
I didn't want to, and she gave her daughter my
name and everything, and her daughter was wanting a dating
and she was wanting me to The lady was wanting
me to date her daughter, and I was like no,
and I tried to be a pervert to get her
leave me alone. And then her I said, I all,
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I wanted sex.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And did you tell that to the daughter or the
mom or what?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I know? The daughter? And I'm wanting to say the
mom too, What was it? What was mom's name? I
couldn't tell you. This has been I think I'm trying
to go back in my mind two thousand, two thousand
and one. How old were you then? Twenty one?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Twenty Yeah, and it's like, yeah, I'm trying to start
talking to her. And then the mom wants you to
start dating her daughter.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Did she ask you that online? To date her daughter?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I believe someone actually I told the mom was asking
me what I was doing for my birthday. I told
her I was going out to dinner at uh Japanese steakhouse.
What was the name. I'm trying to think that's what
I'm saying. My memory is bad, so I mean that's
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part of cerebral policy. I think it's a little damas
you're there, you're under Uh it's some kind of Chang's
Japanese steakhouse. I told her. She shows up looking for me.
The mom did with the daughter that was a little strange,
and the the man was the the woman's boyfriend was
(23:27):
a cop. And I mean, I I apologized and I
cleared it up without going to what'd you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Get up to apologize for?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
If she wanted you to date her daughter.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I was trying to cover anything up just so I
didn't go to jail or anything, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
People, there's something missing from that story.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Don't Yeah, I understand, So I'm trying. Okay, So you.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Got online and uh, the mother wants you to go
out her daughter or something, and you tried to act
like a pervert so that you wouldn't not so she
wouldn't want you to date her daughter, right, that's what
you're telling? Yeah, And what type of things did you say?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just want sex, that's all you said. I believe.
So I didn't go into no details like m that
thing over there. I guarantee that I had never met
the girl or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Okay, I mean, so when you said you just wanted sex,
what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Then next thing, I know, she was upset and crying
and I was like, no, I didn't say this at
the restaurant. This was after Yeah, this was after the restaurant.
They didn't find me at the restaurant. Okay. We was
back there in the back at a far end table,
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I think, and they didn't see us or something. I
knew what the mom looked like. An I can't remember
if I seen a picture of the daughter or not,
but I remember the woman had a.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So where did you meet this cop and the girl
and the mom act?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I never mem they Oh, okay, I took the mom
asked me, I think as a mom asked me where
it was what I was doing for my birthday? Cause
I mean, yeah, my birthday's November fifteenth. You know, people
ask who right, That's a common thing online. When's your birthday? Right?
(25:35):
And yeah, without saying they try to get to know you,
what do you do forever?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
For what I'm saying is before this birthday thing? Before
the birthday thing, you I was trying told her you just.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Wanted death sex. No, I told her after that, after
the birthday thing. Yeah, Because I mean, if they're gonna
find me there. Yeah, a little strange, and I mean
I didn't I told her after that, Yeah, then what happened?
And she was upsetting and I tried to resolve the issue,
and I went to t the technical school I was
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going to then, and I come home that day and
mom's second husband says, you are there's a cop calling
here for you. I'm like, you, what what's going on?
And it was I don't know, I wasn't a sheriff.
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It was a police officer. And he said that they
are thinking about filing charges. And Mom talked talked to him,
and I don't know the whole story that. It's like,
if he apologizes, wolf, we'll leave you alone. So I apologize,
you know, And I because I don't like trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, so you never gotta take it or anything.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
For it or No.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I never ready to go to court.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
No, it was settled over the phone. And you remember
the girl's name, No, I do not, sir. Okay, how
old shit, I wanna say, fourteen. That's why I didn't
wanna talk to her in the first place. M I mean,
I knew back then not to talk to people younger,
cause I mean, and I thought it was weird that
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the mom holped me talk to the daughter. If you knew,
If you knew, why did you talk to this girl?
I'll I I'll talk to anybody on the internet. But
I didn't mean for anything to escalate, escalate to the
way it did. Neither, alright, And I mean you say
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things and you don't think. I mean we all do,
i'd i'd say, and I n I know what's in that?
And you got time to think about it now on
what you said on some of the things you said correctly,
I mean, well, let me let I act a lot
of it on. And she did a couple of things.
She did a couple What did she do to get on?
Like she called me today? You want me to come
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up here.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But you were telling her you were her boyfriend, right, Uh,
you wanted to marry her.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
After she's eighteen? Okay, if we got along, yeah, if
you read that, here's the problem we got ready for.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The problem is you don't want to go to jail
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I want to know. I want to know the story
on what your intent is and what you're planning on doing. Okay,
and some of these things I'm gonna need you explain,
because a jury and a judge are going to be
looking at these things right m and they're gonna say
to themselves, this guy here might have been willing to
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kill this girl or something, because some of this stuff
looks pretty bad. But let's establish right up front, you
knew that she was thirteen. I thought she hold on,
hold on. I told you we're gonna be honest with
each other, all right. I've been totally honest with you,
(29:21):
and upfront, yes, I expected the same back. Okay, if
you'd have thought she was if you wouldn't have known
she was thirteen or something, why were you right away
worried about a cop and telling her I can't talk
to you in several chats and telling her how to
I mean, I can read this chat right here, and
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it talks about talks about her being thirteen later on,
and that is thirteen days ago, and you're telling her
how to get rid of stuff on the computer, so
nobody knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Didn't want her to get in trouble, so we couldn't
even speak, and I don't I don't you.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Did you not want her to get in trouble? Or
were you worried about you getting in trouble or both.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I was worried about her getting in trouble. You weren't
worried about you getting in trouble.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
When the first thing you say is you're making sure
there's not a cop or anything because you don't want
instant trouble, I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
The part, yeah, I'm I'm being honest. I'm being honest.
The part about showing her how to clear that, well,
so she didn't get trouble with her parents because she
said she wasn't supposed to be on the internet chat.
I didn't want her to get in trouble like that.
And I mean, if I get in trouble, I mean
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I have to deal with the consequences. I'm dealing with
them now and I hate them, and I don't I mean,
some stupid choices and I don't want I wish I
could take it back, and I don't know. I heard
nobody and that's the truth. And I said some stupid things.
And Aaron, when when you tell her to.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You want to hide hide the stuff that's on there
and had archives stuff. You know, a lot of this
leads up to you wanting to protect yourself more than
worrying about her. Am I pretty accurate on that?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I was thinking more of her, but yeah, it
was for me too. And like I said, I don't
want trouble. I mean, I don't want nobody to get
in trouble. I'm not I'm not blaming you, but what
I got to get to the bottom of heim Okay,
I'm I've got.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To get to the bottom of what's going on. And
when you tell me half the truth first and then
the other half of the truth later, and I gotta
ask ten more questions, all you're doing is make it
hard on me. And like I told you, Judge and
Jerry's gonna hear this. You have things in here, asking
her if she's if she's had her her first period yet.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know you have things in here. It sounds as.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
If you want to take her off somewhere, buy her
from her mom.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah that was a joke, Okay, Yeah, I mean I
said a lot of things that you're willing to take
her marry or you want her to send her panties.
I know that one was I don't know her social
Security number, like I said, so that you can find
her if something happened after if we lost contact between
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now and when she was eighteen. That's what that was for.
I'm being totally honest, And the paintings was a stupid thing.
And I was just to say if she was real,
all right, And that's being honest.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
On the thirteenth, you knew she was a thirteen year
old girl, correct by what I just read you. And
you just told me that, right, I'm guessing's that I'm
bad with dates. Okay, that was seven days ago. And
she being supposedly is what you're thinking or whatever you're saying.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I can't say she was.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You're saying, I can't wait to get your cherry, which.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm an old man.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I might have been out of the system for a while,
but that means that you're going to take her virginia.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You're going to take her virginity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
But now hold on a second, and you came up here,
I didn't have eleven o'clock at night to me because I.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Couldn't get here any faster.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I would have been here during the day, would you.
You'd been here during the day. And I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You've said her pornography over the internet and what set
a photo wealth?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Because she said she'd never seen a penis before?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And why did you send it to her?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
That. I don't know because she said she never seen one. Okay.
And I mean, if somebody asked me a question out
of curiosity, or how do I do something, I'm stupid
enough to tell.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I try to help people. I share knowledge if I have. Remember,
we're being honest with you. Let's be honest. Okay. If
somebody asks you how to build a bird house, you
might send him a diagram. Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But a.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Girl at age asks you or says she never seen
a penis, and I don't recall her asking you. I've
read the entire her string a chat and she never
asked you send her what a picture of penis would
look like?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right? I asked her, she said, hold on.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But she's asking you or telling you she's not seen
a penis or nothing?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Were you trying to get her excited about sex? No, sir,
how many of these chats do I have to read
out loud for you to say the truth of what
you were doing. You're asking her to touch herself. You're
asking her if you show up, will she touch you.
(35:36):
If that's not trying to get somebody excited about sex,
what's it trying to do? You're not sending her birdhouse
a few of them? But was did you send that
pornography to introduce her to sex? Why did you send it?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Then? Because she said you never seen one? And I mean,
I'm being awest.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Okay, why does it? Why does a girl that age
have to see one?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I don't know. I don't have no answer for that one.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Mm hmm, there is no was it educator about six?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Subconsciously? I guess so, because I mean I didn't think
that when I was seeing it neither, and I mean
I don't. I was just she was.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
She was your girlfriend on the internet, and I can
appreciate that a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, you're you're thinking, you're.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Thinking, you're gonna, you're gonna, I'm gonna have a girlfriend
for life?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Correct, Yeah, because I get lonely and I mean understood
a lot of people look down upon me for my
disability and it hurts. Hey, I've hadn't mean a breakdown.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You're looking at a chubby ball guy, buddy.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It ain't well, you ain't chubby. I'm chubby.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
It ain't easy I know it ain't easy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I know it ain't easy, man. But you met her,
she was your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
You're gonna have You were gonna come up here, You're
gonna meet her. You're gonna watch some movies. Right, Yeah,
that's what's where you watch.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't know. Okay, it figured she the way she
described it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
She was willing based on everything you said. Were you
gonna have sex with her?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You wanna thin? It's true.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
That's why I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I I was gonna meet her, and we may have,
we may not have if we got along.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If not, why did you bring the kite jelly? It
was to have sex, correct with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
If if it led up to that, Because I mean,
like I said, if it led up to that, if
I didn't plan on having sex. I didn't come up
here planning on not having sex having it either way,
Like I said, I picked it up. I grabbed it.
I grabbed a few things really quick. You grabbed Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
If I'm going out on the first date, my first
thought is and throw some k white jelly in the truck.
If I know that that this girl is a sure thing,
I'm gonna throw some Khye jailly in the truck. I
mean you did you throw the k white Jailly in
the truck because you're pretty sure you're gonna have sex
if somebody wants you to come that far to see them.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, sir, I mean you didn't. You didn't take it
that she wanted to have sex from Do you have
to read the chats? No, sir, okay, No, you pretty
much knew that you were coming up here for sex. Correct, No, sir,
it was one of those fis. And I understand where
you're coming from. You won't make me read the chats again, No, sir,
(38:32):
I understand what we said. Okay. I asked her if
we was where do you want.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
My sperm first, mouth, pussy or ass?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean that wasn't in reference of meeting today. Okay,
I want all I want to do.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Okay, A lot of this is get on with this interview,
but we got to get over this hurdle.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I know, Okay, I know, we got to get to
the truth there.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did you come up here expecting to have sex with
this girl? Bit because of her emails back to you? No,
you say, and you want to have sex and she's like, yeah,
that sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
No, sir, I mean it was one of those fifty
to fifty things she wanted fifty to fifty if we
could have had sex. We could not have had sex.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And I mean, but you would have had sex if
you hit it off with her.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
If we got alone, and I thought it was a
meaningful relationship honestly, then yeah, okay, but if we didn't
get along, no, because I'm not only these people that well,
you asked her to be naked for you to get here.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
In one of your chats way back when y'all talked
about me the first time, you said something about being
naked when you get there and your panties or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Forget exactly how you were it. We're trying to think
of that one myself, sir, And I'm being honest. I
wanna get you drunk later on.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, this is a this is a twelve year old girl.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know the drinking age in Kentucky eighteen. Okay, Yeah,
I didn't tell you one, but I wouldn't remember what
I told you.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Before about a judge and jury is going to hear this.
It sounds to me like you wanted to hurt somebody.
Would you be mad if I got you drunk and
had sex with you. However, I wanted in the next
day you were in pain. I wanted if you really
hard one time. Now when you were coming up here.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I forgot I even had that conversation, that's what you
want to do. That's what you're telling her you want
to do. That was not if you have a meaningful relationship.
Were you wanting to have a meaningful relationship and make
love to this girl or were you wanting to just
do her real hard and treat her bad and bet
on her. I was wanting to have a real relationship.
(41:00):
That was m That was meant for much later on.
And I don't even know why I even come up
with that one and said that, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
But if things would have worked at you to head
sex with her.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Tonight, if we got along and stuff, and I mean,
I don't know, alright. I mean, I've met people I'll
i'll find before and I've met people.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You spend a lot of time on the computer.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, because I mean I've sat there and I played
games on the computer and on the Xbox three sixty minutes.
I mean I don't have much else to do, because
I mean I've tried to look for a real job
and it's impossible to find a job. It's gonna be
(41:53):
real pos impossible after this, But people would do.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Computer's a good thing, you know, if youse correctly A
computers good place to meet friends.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, and I mean other than the this situation, that
other one I told you about. I've never done anything
like that. What all chat rooms do you visit? Uh?
The Tennessee ones I listed earlier are like one, two, three, five,
seven nine. I think how do.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
They look on the internet? Is it Tennessee one or something?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah? You just sign sign in and then uh, wrestling
chat room?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Wrestling chat room. Have you ever met anybody in any
other chat rooms that you've had sex with?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Any of 'em under age? No, sir, we know what's
their screen names?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Do you remember any of 'em? I can try to
as ects perfect drug xx. I think where did you
meet these people at? Which chat rooms? The same ones?
This is? This has been over years and years, so
it's hard to say. And she was talking to me
(43:11):
about she had moved back to Tennessee and she would
like to see me again, and it's like, okay, I
talked to her so and then she disappeared again. The
one not this one, the one you had sex with. Yeah,
and she was I'll say twenty one, twenty one nobody underage? No, sir?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
All right, what's your cell phone number?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
And if I had the phone in front of me,
I can tell you who say if I had had
anything with him? How are there? Where do you live
at right now? At home with my mama? I mean,
(44:44):
like I would rather break the stupid news to her first.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Okay, what up? What city is that again?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I mean, like I said, I don't want to go
to jail. I can't live in jail and I don't
want no problems.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And I now when you live there with her? Is
that your computer? Is that her computer or.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
She bought it? But I use it? Where's it at
in the house? And I guess it's my living area?
Your living area? Yeah, I mean I've got a bedroom.
I've got two bedrooms. One one's got my bed in
and then the other one's computer desk and that you'ary, yeah,
(45:32):
computer desk.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Does she use the computer?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
She has a few times, she's used it a few
she had her own and it tore up. She uses
that occasionally and stuff. So did she You and your
mom just lived together? Her third husband. He lives there too.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know, does he use your computer?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Mm, he's used it a couple times to look at
X rays, and he's used hers a couple of times
X rays. He's got a bad back and that, oh okay,
and he's not very computer literate. What kind of computer
is it?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Just?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Uh when I customer ordered, Oh you custom ordered? Yeah,
I ordered the parts and I had a friend to
help me build it. Oh. Really, I can do I
can do parts of it, but I can't do a
few things with it because somewhat depends on the subject.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I mean, until two years ago, I didn't know there
was a caps lock, but didn't know what that meant,
so I didn't touch it.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
But you can build one s with a little help,
you know. I mean, it's just buying the parts and
stuff from the side. And what about uh a webcam?
You got one of them? No, sir, I had a
uh I had a uh some kind of cheap digital
camera that they had on TV. I pluged it up
(47:03):
once to see what it was about a webcam. And
I don't even know where the thing is that it's
either in the clouse or buried in the computer desk.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
One do you have any pornography on your computer? Yes, sir,
anything of anybody under age?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You don't think so how could you not know? Did
you ever see any underage on your on your computer
or view any images.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Or viewed images before? I think of underage people not
m meaning to, and I don't know what I was
saved on it. What do you mean not meaning to?
How can you not mean to? I mean you go
on the Internet and look at porn on you don't
know if they're of age or not. Some are.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well, remember I just told you I just found a
caps locked but a couple of years ago. So I'm
not real computer savvy. So explain to me how you
get porn on the internet. I understand you can punch
in porn, but when I'm talking about is underage people?
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Do you do you exchange porn with other people? No, sir? Okay,
how do you I have I've ha well, I will
change that story a small bit. I have a female
friend that has sent me a couple fo female photos
of a couple of her friends on a adult friend
Finder or something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Okay, So, so the pornal that you're looking at is
off of websites.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, yeah, and off of emul x, and I mean
off of what a download program? Download program?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
What did you call it?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Just now, emulex, eMule x, it's emul But you don't
have to share stuff to send, so.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That could be just other people sending you stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah. Do you uh, do you save porn on your computer?
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Studios or just pictures or or both or both.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And I'm I need to deleted it. I meant to,
do you burn any CDs or anything of it? I
think they have been burnt CDs of it, and I
don't know exactly where they are. I don't know if
they're on the desk, if I'm throwing away or what.
I can't. I mean, I'm getting rid of it as
soon as I go home because I don't want trouble.
(49:26):
And I and I mean, I've I helped my buddy
do DVDs, and I mean I.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
He did y'all ever burn any porn DVDs?
Speaker 7 (49:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
He he He does wrestling DVDs of himself. Okay, that
over the years, And I've edded the matches down right
so he can sell 'em and stuff, cause they're they're
his matches. I mean, I can't lose the computer because
I can't help him if I lose the computer and
(50:04):
I help him with his website. And I mean, I'm
being honest with you, sir. I mean like, as soon
as I get out here, I'll go home and delete
in porno off the web, off the computer, go through
every DVD I have CD, whatever I say, DVD and CD.
(50:25):
And it's the same thing to me, because it's the.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Basics pornography in itself. Looking at porno isn't necessarily legal.
What I'm interested in is if you have pornography of
underage people and you told me not that you know of,
what is the likelihood that we're gonna find something that's
somebody underage?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's probably a few photos and few videos that I
have downloaded of underage people. Yeah, but like I said,
I ain't went through you downloaded him. Yeah, but you
sam that I have not went through all of 'em.
But did Yeah, they're on the hard drive. And I
mean there's a at one point it was saving things
(51:12):
in different voters, and I had not went through everything
to see what it is. Right, That's what I'm saying,
did you, uh, what's the likelihood that you burned any
of these two disc where there's underage people. I don't
think I had, because the ones you don't think.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I'm asking you is, do you remember ever burning any The.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Only ones that I've burnt to DVD I had viewed
and there was no children in them.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Did you ever share any pornography with underage people?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
No? I don't share period. Once you get at yours, yeah,
you got to find it yourself, okay. And I mean
because I don't know who's who would be on the
other end.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
So your mom and I guess your stepdad and you
you live in this house as anybody else lives. There
no children.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
At one point her niece was staying with us, and
I wouldn't your mom's niece. Yeah, and I would never
think of doing anything. And how old was she? You're
asking a hard question because I can't even remember my
birthday sometimes six to eight. And I mean, you never
(52:39):
did nothing with her. God know what's her name. I
don't know her lastening.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
And who's your internet provider?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's changed over the years, and if they don't change,
but it's gonna be Earthlink because they had messed up
my inner my credit card bill.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
M.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
When's the last time you get on your computer to
uh receive pornography?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
To receive porn being a while, been a while, been
a long time. When's the last time you chatted with
a girl other than the girl that you got picked
up for tonight? In what manner?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Talking about sex or anything?
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I was aggravating a late twenty year old last night
or the night before, aggravating her about sex?
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I think I she was was joking around about my
space and she said, oh no, well, yepset they ain't
no uh sex sex survey. I said, no, but what's
your favorite position? That's all?
Speaker 4 (54:12):
It was?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
All it was, I was, And I said, what was it?
Would you run away with me? I think it was
just choking with it. I mean, her husband's around joking
and I would never do anything like that, And I mean,
(54:34):
it's alright, I got it go. Did you have a
driver's lescens in your wallet? Yes?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, I gotta go get your driver's lessons real quick, okay,
and then I'll be right back and we'll finish up
and we'll get you take care of so you can
get out of here.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Okay, Kay, what's gonna happen to you?
Speaker 4 (54:50):
So?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Well? I'm gonna release you to a transport off, sir.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
They're gonna take you over to the jail, okay, and
they're gonna let you make bond. Alright.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
What's how much is bond? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
We don't sit there, dude. I have jail sets that
I can't make bond there. Well, there's a lot of
different options on it, too, but I don't I don't
know what they're offering tonight or what. Well that like,
people can sign for a year, they can wire you,
but it's all up to the judge and up to
the jail. I don't have any control on that. Okay,
But let me get your driver's license.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'll come back and talk to you just one minute, okay,
in the time I can't quit off the imus ho
(56:07):
CA ammunition s eight. Hey, bud, mm hmmm hot here
(01:01:04):
you hut mmm. Here's what we're going.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Okay, Well, here's what we need to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Do real quick.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
All right, okay, all right, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Fill this out right here. Let me ask you this
on your house. I got an address here of house,
(01:01:58):
correct sir, not duplex, nothing like that. It's a single house.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yes, yeah, I thought, well, I thought, mom had changed it.
I can't do nothing. Yeah, I get this, Okay, they
put red light. The cameras up there in Kingsport had
a couple red lights. And I ain't say nothing bad,
but they changed the timing goal from like five or
(01:02:27):
six seconds to three seconds. And I get to the
second hash marking before the red light, it goes to yelling.
You know. I thought I could go through it, and
I get halfway blow it and it goes red. Because
I mean two hash markings, You're gonna slam on your
brakes and probably hit the steering wheel. So I had
(01:02:50):
to go through it. And I mean on the registration
that says, right, the ticket only come in Mom's name.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
And Mom probably wasn't happy, was she?
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
She said, she was like, well, you owe me a
hundred dollars. Oh god, that was me because another car
runs the red line at the same time on the
other side.
Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Well, and it's a single house. What color is it?
Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Why A while, I guess is it? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
What's on the outside of it? Is it sighting or yeah, silent?
Is it vinyl or what?
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Or it's silly? I mean vinyl siding, vinyl sighting? What
are y'all gonna search it now.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Well, I got nowhere it's at and what the description is, and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Uh, before you all do, could I please call her
and let her know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Well, you're gonna get to make a phone call at
the jail, and you live along ways away, so you know,
i'd say.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
It'd probably be a gass.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, Well, I mean I would, I would guess yeah,
But I have no control on that. I mean, I'm
not I'm not going down there to search it, okay,
but somebody might and I have no control over when
you get your phone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Called to jail. Okay. Well, I mean I understand she's
gonna be pissed off either way.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Your house is Vinyl sighting?
Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Is there one or two stories? One one story? Is
there a garage on it or anything? Carpoor, gravel, driveway,
iron shutters?
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Is there a number on it? I don't think, or
in a mailbox out front or.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Anything should be. I'm trying to think of the it's
still there or not? There's a they is or was?
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Memory is bad. I wanting to say there's gold numbers
on the post carport that says one for.
Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
An it's the most unusual, but think about your house.
If I wanted to pick it out, what would I
look for?
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
It's the only one on it side of the street
that's got a gravel driveway and a carport. Okay, only one,
I believe so, And I mean, you ain't gonna miss
it with that description.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
What about the other side of the street. Are there
ones with gravel driveway?
Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
No houses? I think one trailer has a gravel driveway.
Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Any other ones that have car ports?
Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
There's a couple, but that's the only vinyl I think
with uh carpoord.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
This uh stepdaddy yours. Has he ever been arrested?
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I don't know. I don't know if he has any
or not in there. Then I think they might be
a rifle b B gun behind the door.
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
But you've never seen any guns other than the BB gun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
At one point Mom had like a little Dollinger, but
I think she either gave it away or throw it
away because it didn't work. That was on top of
the refrigerator, right, I guess. I don't know. It's a
tie about that long, and I mean I don't I
can't fire him, so I don't own any The only
(01:06:50):
gun I may have was a light gun for a
video game system. I think I seen that the other
day when I went there for a controller. But I
mean that ain't an Do you have any dogs or anything?
I think mom's keeping her, her brother's dog and her
and there's a cat. What kind of dog? It's like
(01:07:13):
a six or eight weight pit bull? Does a bite playfully?
Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Okay, we don't quote grab your leg and try and
take a chunk out of you and kill you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
What's about like that?
Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I mean, can you walk up and pet it and stuff?
Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I dad, haven't it?
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Then go for your throat? Yeah? Alright, alright, Well what.
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go out here, finish
up your citation, hand it off to the all streets,
gonna transport.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You justin good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Do you have anything to tell me before I leave
anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I worry that I didn't mean no harm, and I
know I said in criminal stupid stuff, and I'm an idiot,
and I mean that's a god's own strut. And I
don't want trouble and I don't wanna go to jail,
and I don't wanna put up the legal system, and
I I hate that I'm wasting your time, but.
Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Doing doing what you need to.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Do.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I believe I doing this.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Leanna get NBC is gonna follow me around everywhere? Well,
they're the media, and I don't run the media.
Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
Okay, alright, I'm gonna go out here like this, citation
up the back with you, S.
Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
S S S S.
Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
S S S S. Kay, mister mcfetrick. We just need
(01:14:19):
to get your solid security numbers so we can process
the peoplework. Can I get that from you? I believe
that's correct. I wouldn't right now the way I feel.
(01:14:41):
And you might want to check the driver's lessons. Okay, No,
it ain't even on the drivers lessons, So yeah, I
think that's it. We'll cross check it. If it ain't.
I mean, oh god, I'm about to have a mental
breakdown because I just can't believe I'm here. I can't believe.
I don't what I done, went through with what I did,
and I wouldn't. Yeah, well we'll cross check this, Thank.
Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
You, USU, US.
Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
USA.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Alright, could you set really get.
Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
You out of here?
Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Up? Were they already saying cops.
Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
The house for third No?
Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
What are they gonna do? Confiscate all the CDs and
computer or now.
Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
They computer you use is the only computer in the house,
right it it's in your area?
Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Yea?
Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Uh are there any of the computers in the house.
N The only other computer that was in the house, yeah,
was broken. And where's it at at a friend's house.
We're trying to figure out if we can fix it
or not. Alright, but there's nothing on it. And honestly,
I'll I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
If you usual a friend, is it the same wrestling
buddy friend?
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Hm?
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
On the computer deal, all the stuff that I've ever
downloaded is on the secondary hard drive. Right, So if
the cops want that, if they would allow me to
keep the computer and me just give the him the
hard drive, I would take you out and hand it
to him and let them.
Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
See the Alright, what's your right color?
Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Huh? What's right color?
Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
It changes green? It really it's some days it's green blue.
And what's your approximate week two sixty? What's your home phone?
It's all always connect to the internet.
Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
So, okay, do you have an emergency phone number?
Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
So I'll be calling here? And what's this? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Where this other computer is? Your old computer? What's what's
that person's name? Where it's at?
Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Ben? Do you know his last name? Do you know
his address?
Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Just Ben?
Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Would your mom know where to find him?
Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Don't think so, I'll never What's do he repair his
computers for living? Okay? If if the police won't, it'll
take it to him. Okay, alright, cause I mean I
ain't gonna fight you guys, because I mean if I
fight you guys, that's gonna make you everything burst on.
Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Mean, so out right, what's your what's your You ever
been married at all?
Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
So are you divorced?
Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Sir? Alright, I just probably probably want don't be crazy.
You wanna come out here? You come home with me,
m ms Hong Saut the red short. I just need
(01:27:10):
to stand over your home.
Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
That's like your picture of it, you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
With your backs with the white holle.
Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
This come from you that stay.
Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
There.
Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
A picture of means take.
Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
It. Really, it's some days it's green blue. And what's
your approximate weight? Two fifty two sixty? John? Keep read.
Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
In right here?
Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
W take the shoes
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