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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The jury, they defend Andy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In all council, the state may call its next witness.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
This step spell your first.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
And listening.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
You do saw miss where the testimony you're about to
about to be able to be the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 6 (00:21):
So help you goud.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
Your name sir, My name is step On Floortis. What
do you working for the city makes a police apartment?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What do you do for?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I'm currently assigned to the homicide unit as a detective.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Draw your attention back to Joe up two thousand and a.
Where were you assigned?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I was assigning homicide.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And did you have a casion? Did you have occasion
when you were assigned? Did the unit to.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Investigate the killing of somebody by the name of Travis Alexander?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I did.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
With regard to that, what was what were your duties
or what were you assigned to do?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I was assigned as the lead case agent for this
particular case agent.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What are you required to do?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Respond to the scene, investigate the actual crime scene, talk
to witnesses, and basically try to solve the crime.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
When were you first called out to the home?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Was called out on the ninth just a little after
ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And did the investigation begin then or did it sort
of get started the next day?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It got started the next day?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Why is that? Why did you do that? In that well?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
At that point we began talking to some witnesses who
were at the scene, but we needed to get a
search warrant to get into the house before we began
the initial scene investigation, and that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Search ward wasn't available until the next day.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And the next day while you were at or that night,
while you were at the scene, were you notified that
somebody wanted to talk to you?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And who was the person that we wanted to talk
to you that night that night?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Was Jody Arius?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And was it a telephone call that she made?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Did you take the call that night of June ninth,
two thousand and eight, No, I did not. How about
the next day, did you when you were out? What
happened the next day? Did you go to the scene?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I was at the scene.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
About what time did you get there? Actually?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I was still there from the night before.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And during that day the tenth now correct?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yes, did you receive any indication that Jody Arius wanted
to talk to you?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yes, I received a phone call from a fellow officer
stating that a female by the name of Jody Arius
wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And did she leave a telephone number?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yes, she did, so.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is the second attempt that has been made. Correct. Yes,
About what time were you notified of this second attempt
by the defendant?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It was an the morning before ten o'clock or so.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Did you then return that call?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yes? I did.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And about what time.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Right around that same time?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And prior to speaking to this individual, Well.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Let's do this one.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Whenever you're talking about this is do you always mirandize
them or not?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With regard to this telephone call with her, did you
mirandize her?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
She wasn't in custody, So miranda warnings are only required
when somebody's in custody.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Correct. Yes, So this telephone call that you have with her,
was it something that you tape recorded or not?
Speaker 9 (03:38):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I did tape recorded.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
And during this telephone call, was there a discussion about
whether or not Travis Alexander had a gun?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Yes, I'm going to show.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You Exhibit number two seventy three. Did you listen to.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
This before you came to court to it, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And is this the portion of the recording that you
have as you can involving whether or not tracks out
dam or kind of got yes, that's why I heard.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
All right, Well, can I call you again if I
need more information or if I have another question?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Okay, do you have any questions?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I can answer for you.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
Yeah. Do you know when all this happened? I mean
I got a call last night, but if there any
word on.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Sometime between Thursday and uh last night. But we're not
sure yet. We have a different point.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
And you said that maybe we'll to people because he's
a good guy. It was I maybe you can't talk
about this, but was there was there like any kind
of weapons store or was there was was there a gun?
Speaker 7 (04:58):
Was there? I can't say what type of of weapon
would us, but I'm guessing there was a weapon us
by the type of injuries that were left behind. Do
you know of him having any weapons at all in
the house?
Speaker 9 (05:12):
His two fists.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Guy, no handguns or rifles or you.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Know, he wasn't wanting to keep into that that I
wanted or anything like that. Now. He was more into
like wrestling in UFC and he had you know, he
said he had just bout a punching bag, and he's like,
I love to crop out of the punching bags. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That's unfortunate a conversation. Correct, Yes, this did the conversation
also deal with their relationship, with their dating life and
that sort of thing. Yes, it did show you Exhibit
number two seventy two and this and that. There's also
another question. Does that deal with that portion of your
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conversation with her?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And this is the initiate one of the conversation, right, Yes,
that's correct. Remember the adition of exib in two seventy two.
There's something to continue to do if you have to
be contain.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Asked, but I don't know what excerpts is that council
a props Martinez.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The state has provided the entirety of this opta, according
to the defendant, and has done and did so approximately
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Exhibit to seventy two.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is it meant.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Hand?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Wait?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
Fourteen thirty five hours.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Interview with Jody Area zero color ill on a love
joy because Jody, Hey, Jody's the text of steep floors
may serve on plar. Oh hey, how are you good?
I just got a message from one of my patrol
officers that he needed to talk to me about something.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
Well, I just wanted to offering assistance that I might have.
I was a really good friend of travisiness type of
you know. I know that I don't know a lot
of anything, But what what have you heard so far?
I heard that he was that he passed away, and
that it was I don't know. I've heard all kinds
of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.
(07:31):
I heard that his roommate fround him or his friends
bast or people were I'm sorry, so I'm I'm upset.
But I've heard that nobody's been able to get a
hold of him for almost a week, which and that
was about the last time I spoke to him, too,
which is actually why I thought. I My friend said
(07:52):
I should call you anyway and let you know the
last time.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
I talked to him. Yeah, I mean, any help would
you can get from anybody who would any kind of
con back?
Speaker 9 (08:00):
Dam I I used to talk to him quite regularly.
I used to live there. I live in northern California now,
but after I moved. I moved a few months ago,
and after I moved, we kept in touch very regularly.
And kind of fell back a little bit, and that
it got down to about a couple times a week.
But I hadn't heard from him. I talked to him
(08:23):
on Tuesday night. I looked at my phone records on
the internet at the Tech and I definitely talked to
him Tuesday night.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Okay, so it was it was that your cell phoner?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Yeah, that was myself phone. I half.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Is this is this a number that I called?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Okay, so that was Tuesday night. Do you remember about
what time?
Speaker 9 (08:50):
I think it was. I want to say like a
quarter after nine, but I think he too. It was
sometime between eight and ten that I know. It wasn't
his latest hollowly between eight thirty.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
And what did you guys talk about?
Speaker 9 (09:05):
It was brief he I was I was driving out
to Utah and you know, he was like, are you
gonna come out and see me? And I'm like no,
And you know, he was supposed to make a trip
up here at the end of the month because he
we seeing that we are doing. It's called there's a
book called The Thousand Place Before You Die, and it's
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been featured on the Travel Channel and all that, and
we sort of got into that last year where we
were starting to see all these different places on the list,
and we thought, you know, thousands, like this is a
lot of places, but why not that would be fun goals.
So we just kind of have that goal. And one
of the is the Oregon Coasts and Miss Experience Festival,
and so he was going to come up here for
that and then we're just going to go see that
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in Crater Lake and just different landmarks and what was
that trip?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Overing schedules?
Speaker 7 (09:53):
It was just something you guys talked about.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It was it was, it was.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
It wasn't officially like Dayton, but I I can.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Trying to reach out so that I could flify my
own schedule because I was planning on making a trip
down there, but uh, it was supposed to happen in May,
and then supposed to happen last week and that didn't
work out. So he was going away to Cancoon today
and and then he said as soon as he gets
(10:20):
back from Cantoon, he was a trip because he's going
to drive up the coast and when he reaches me,
we'll go do some things and then he'll continue on
to Washington and see some friends up there. And then
I guess that was supposed to happen before the beginning
of July. July, he was supposed to go.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
To Washington CC.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
Okay, did did he have any issues with anybody here
until anybody.
Speaker 9 (10:45):
That wanted to do a har you know, got his
tires last it was last year he was He said
he was worried about that, and I was worried about that.
He never lost his doors, and I told I would
tell him, lock your doors, and like, they're not my mom,
you know, And I come from he comes from a
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bad city. I think he comes from Ruby du California,
which is dang in silence. But and I come from
a similar type of neighborhood in California. So I've always
my parents and we've always locked our doors. And it's
just my habit that he doesn't have that habit. And
you live in a great neighborhood. And it's never been
an issue. And that thing has ever been stolen, that
thing has been he's never been broken into. And he
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had his tire splash. I don't remember when it was.
It was last year, sometime around Christmas, I think.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
You know, other than that, no, how would you describe
your relationship with him?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
We dated for.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
We dated for like five months and we broke up,
and we thinken you actually just see each other for
quite a bit, you know, right until I moved.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
When did you get break up?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
We officially broke up June twenty ninth of last year,
but we didn't we even though we broke up and
we're no longer boyfriend and girlfriend, we decided to remain friends.
But you know, I kind of feel embarrassed talking about this,
but it was more like it was more.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Expressed that it wasn't a boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
It was more like kind of funny, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Okay, you guys were not like romantically together at any time,
or we were intimate, but I wouldn't say romantic as
far as the relationship goes.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
But we were in no way headed toward marriage. We're
talking anything about that. We how probably.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Sometimes that you say intimate, does there include like a
sexual relationship with him?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:51):
It does.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
Okay, I know it's kind of embarrassing, I know, and
you don't know.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
Yeah, And if you could just keep it confidential for now,
because I know that he's born not seriously looked down
upon him in our church, And I mean, I just
been telling you this to help in any way I can, ok,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
So you actually moved back to California a couple of
months ago?
Speaker 9 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I did?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Okay, what day was that?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Do you remember? I don't remember the exact date. I
mean I had the date form into the U hall.
It was early April, early like before April tenth, so
after the first before we hand. So I'm getting seven
eight nights. Maybe I'd have to check the dates.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Did did you stop by the house when you rent
the new hall? Say good bye the house?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Yeah, back, I'm back down. After I was I was
almost moved out, completely out of my house for about
a week afterward, and I just stayed in his house
the whole time. I mean I practically lived there. Even
when I was there, I spent I spent the night
there several times a week while I lived there. I
came over and I clean house a lot, sort of
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take me a little bit every month. His house nice
include sort of like a housekeepers.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Did you ever happen to meet any of his roommates
at that time?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
I knew his group really well at the time. Various
roommates one of moved out, one guy moved to Utah,
and one I moved to Phoenix. Zach is the I
don't know if Zak is still there. I think he is.
I knew Zach because I met him, and you know,
we we sort of connected because he's a photographer like
I haven't. You know he took the room that Aaron
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was in previously. He's yeah, what do you what do
you think about that?
Speaker 7 (14:43):
What do you think his relationship is with her explot friend?
Speaker 9 (14:48):
He seems like a nice guy. When I first met him,
he seemed just like a normal guy. The returned missionaries
from and he served. Okay it, I didn't leave you.
He served his mission, I don't. I think in Arizona
and you liked it so much. He was back. Knew
Travis from church, so you know, yeah, him and his
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girlfriend were there there. I think there was some alcohol
there at one time, and Travis was suspicious about it,
but he said he used it for cooking. You know
that's fine because you know, Mormons don't drink alcohol. But
also yeah, they're not supposed to. And Travis, you know,
that's another thing. When it came to that, we call
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it the word of wisdom. No alcohol, tobacco, drugs or
coffee or tea, and he was just super, super super
strict on that. You know, he wouldn't even take Excentric
for a headache because it had kafane, Like, he ain't
so strict on that. I find a little less strict
on that. All topics ever any day, but yeah, they're
not Travis. I can guarantee you wouldn't even catch coke.
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So it's one of his other roommates.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I guess end day that was around April that you
last saw him, right early, haven't you haven't been back
in town since then?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
No, I haven't at all.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Somebody has mentioned your name and you've been back in
town for.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Like a week or a couple of days. Oh, I've been.
I've been thinking about going there. So yeah, I've been
definitely planning on heading down there.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But you haven't physically been here since since you last.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Since I moved.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
So I was good to go this week actually while
he was in camp and stay at his house, but
it's just not in the budget.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
So was that something that you guys have scheduled that
you were going to come down and stay this house?
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Yeah? So actually not, That's what I emailed him about
last week. It was kind of last minute, so it
was going to go, I'm looking out a calendar here.
I was going to go, not this week, but the next,
and then he was going to come up here that
following week, which was before July. And it also, I'm
kind of weird. We're all like travelers, and I figured,
you know, it would be a good idea if I
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would have a place to stay. His house is open
all the time to friends, I mean, anybody in his
business or anybody that comes to visit. He gives up
his bed, fills up on the couch, he lets him
have the whole room. So it just didn't seem like
he said that the door's always helpen. So I would
have felt totally okay just showing up and staying in
his out and eating his brow and dinners, et cetera,
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et cetera. And he would have been fine with that too.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
And I just, you know, he said, just always.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
Give me a heads up, so I have to, you know,
let me know if that's cool. It's not only goother arrangements.
And I never heard back.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
And when is that email?
Speaker 9 (17:35):
Stuh, just a few days ago. I'm in front of
the computer, so I can check right now for you.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
Yeah, I just walk into my account.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
What's his email address?
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Yeah? To his emails?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yeah, what is his email address?
Speaker 9 (17:58):
You know? His email is Travis dot Alexander at gmail
dot com. I spent one on June seven. Kind I've
heard back from you. He got a little bit upset
when I said I wasn't driving out to see him,
but he he didn't sit really easily. I don't know,
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he like had hanged over me a little bit.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And we kind of guilt each other sometimes.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
So you guys still had a fairly decent relationship with friends.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
We did.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
We had.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
Really that we talked to said that you guys that
your relationship was kind of rocky, and I got a
little a little crazy at.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
Times, or did. What happened was when I broke up
with Travis around left here because it was all really dumb.
It was a bunch of drama. I had a suspicionity
was cheating on me, and so I looked in his
phone to find out and how all these tech messages
and like it just falls up and it was like
we realized we couldn't trust each other. So, I mean
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we broke up at that point, but we were still
we were still attracted to each other, and we still
loved each other, so it wasn't the best thing, but
we still hung out all the time together and it
didn't really help either of us to move on. And
I haven't really dated anyone since, and he told me
that he hadn't dated any one since. But then he
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told me as so, it's all been kind of weird
because we kept our dating lives sort of from each other,
like a don't ask, don't how policy sort of, and
just I think it was it worked out.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It was more convenient for us.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I figured, you know, he didn't have a girlfriend, and
I'm okay coming over. And as long as he didn't
think that I was with anybody, than he was fine too.
So just the less we kneel about each other's dating
lives or romantic lives.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Better that we were, the better off we were.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
So it was sent in seven. Yeah, this is what
I said, And what.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Hell are you doing again?
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
What town are you in against?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
I mean, why Rica? So California? Why are e Ka?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Why are e k a?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
H huh oh?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Where is that at?
Speaker 9 (20:19):
It is fifteen minutes from Oregon and it's on Interstate five.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Okay, all right, so's just right more yeah, okay, not
close of the coast.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Now. Unfortunately, I had some other questions.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Trying to remember what they were. I mean, you've kind
of lived in the house for a while. Yeah, you know,
the surroundings and sat down. The kind of furniture he has,
the betting and stuff. Okay, can you describe his bedroom
betting and stuff for me? Usual question.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
No, that's fine. I've spent a lot of time in there.
He's got like I don't know if it's like Egyptian
cotton or whatever, but it's a really nice brown linen
and it's soft. It's not like flannel, but it's soft.
And he always brags to everyone about his intelligell be
like it's really comfory. So he's got a great mattress
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and it's like apparently it's like this five thousand dollar
mattress that he picked up for really really cheap because
it was the showroom saying or it was their return
or sometime. He got a really sweet deal on it.
So it's a king size I don't know California or what,
but it's the king size bed it's kind of like
a I think it's like a sleigh bed.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
It's dark wood, but the bedding that is mainly like
a brown linen, really nice cotton linen.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Yeah, he has it's maybe different patterns on the sheet
versus the comforter, but the sheets are brown and this
comforter is brown and the pill case they're brown.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
So the color of the comforter is brown as well,
having type a pattern or like a castle or ed.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
I think it has stripes. I yeah, like and they're
not like colored stripes, they're just like stripes and the
brown patterns stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Oh like you know it's it's dark brown, but it's
got a little bit darker brown like thready.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Yeah. Yeah, you can see that there's a pattern there
and the sheet may be more of like a checkered
thing I think fromber correctly. And it's his cover too,
is it so spread? Is like it's a down comforter
that's white and then it's got like a I don't
know what he used to call it. It's had a
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special means it's.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Like a cover.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
Yes, what if the douve looks like it comes like
like it's it's got buttons on the end. And it
covers the whole thing and you slide to the actual
comforter inside the doubt, which is what you pull off
to wash or you know, or you can that kind
of thing. So and we've like many times it's so
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hard to get in there with one person, so kind
of just grab the corners and we pull it together
on one side and then you just sort of fluff
it out and then fatting up the button that down kind.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Of just shoves over in one corner and it doesn't
want to spread out.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So it didn't have like any any type of edging
or tassels or anything like that, but you know of
like a like brawn.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
I remember, is.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
There anything in the house that resembled anything with some
type of small tan rope fish kind of material or
edge or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (23:42):
Blank. You may have pillows, Yeah, he may have had pillows. Yeah,
he has pillows on his on his bed, not on
a set it on the chair, but s his bet Yeah,
with some go Yeah, there's so there's also a round
pillow because you I mean, you beat him, there's just one.
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He puts it in the center and it's like there
maybe some kind of tackle thing on that.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Do you know anybody back here still that still has
contact with him?
Speaker 9 (24:15):
H yeah, lots of people, tons of people.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Is that how you found out about when it happened?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
A friend of mine, Dan Freeman, called me last night.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
I met Dan through Travis dan Freeman.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Yeah, has Barney every end?
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Okay, Yeah, we talked to him.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
I met him last year with his sister when we
all took a trip out to the Grand Canyon in Suedema.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
So he called you last night and told him what happened. Yeah. Yeah,
he didn't have a lot of information, any idea what
what everybody's talking about, what they're saying, what they're suspicions.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Are they're saying what? Everything that I heard was that,
and I got a lot of my information from Bishop
Layton more detailed, and he's basically that they they took
everybody and separated them, and I don't know who everybody is.
I'm assuming Zach because he was there and his girlfriend
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because I called Zach's cellphone and she couldn't tell me anything,
but she answered and she said, there are a lot
of people here that I don't know, but Zach's not here.
So it didn't make sense, and I just I was confused,
but she couldn't tell me anything, so I didn't get
a lot out of her. But Bishop Layton said he
was there for four hours and they interviewed everybody and
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then they went to the police station and that it's
they're treating it as a suspicious excuse me as a
suspicious death. And I heard from my friend Dave Paul
that there was a lot of blood and I don't
know that's just a rumor that's going around or it's true.
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And I also heard that his services will be in
tel one yet, but that they haven't released this thought
because brand like yet. So that's all I've really heard before.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Well, I can tell you that we're investigating it as
a homicide. It's not a suspicious death anymore. It's pretty
obvious and it's important for us to find out why
somebody would want to do harm to him, what kind
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of stuff he was possibly involved.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
In, or.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Or maybe it just could have been as simple as
a burglary or an intruder or something that had gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm wondering because he's.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Still when you said, like when they said suspicious death,
I thought, well, he's trying to shit pound for cantons.
So he looks good at boxers or bathing suit or whatever,
the swim trunks. And you know, I know that he
takes the thought, he takes supplements, and he works out
really really hard in and workout. It's a very intense routine.
And I don't know. He has these petty dumbbells that
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he uses, and he's so strong. I mean, there are
a couple of times we've tried to wrestle just for
fun and shouldn't for them, and there's just no like,
I don't see how anyone, unless maybe there were two people.
I don't see how anyone could overpower him unless there.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Was a pretty good sized guy.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Yeah, he was close to him in his town.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I think, yeah, yeah, it would take I would say
two people.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's not maybe more just kind of overpower him.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I mean, I've tried with officers you work in this
stoft to take down a woman at one hundred and
thirty five pounds who's out of control, and it's difficult
to control.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
You know, something else that.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
He don't come to mind, like somebody would want to
hurt him. It's you talk for money. Did he have
any worries or concerns.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
About anybody did own people money, but if they were
all good firns, they weren't like it wasn't a bad situation.
It was in fact they were. There was one family
that lent him money that's very very wealthy from what
I understand, and it's not like it hurted them to
lend him the money. Of course, they expected him to
pay back, and he had thought a very reasonable timeline,
and they also had a really good collateral in case
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he didn't pay back. They owned a piece of stock
that he owned, so if they didn't pay him back,
it was like six thousand dollars or something or yea,
I didn't do it with six thousands, but if they didn't,
if he didn't get them paid back on time, then
they would just keep a stock which would eventually be
worth over twenty five thousand. So I mean, they don't
think they were worried about that at all. Those are
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that's the highest family in front. High was there last night,
But I don't. I don't think that was when he
was struggling financially several months back, and I don't know.
I haven't talked to him about how that's going. Since
that's sign know that that's.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
What's the situation with the car? That were so many
expressions about them.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
W Yeah, I'm buying his dam w Okay, because we found.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
A check that was written by you to him.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Everything was the last one. Yeah, yeah, I recently killed
him in check. He I helped him matter a few
everything he I take making payment to him.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Okay, did you still have that car right now?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
No, it's actually not in my position that I did
the dumbest thing. I went and hooked it up to
the U haul and everything was cool and set to go,
and I got the dollie that went the back wheels
on the ground because it was cheaper. Yeah, and the
U Hall guy said, okay, drive it up here. Okay,
stop breaks, and everything was cool if he stopped the
car and turned it off. Both got the car with
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the door open so they could look at everything, and
they shut the door and said you're good to go,
and I took off. And this is gonna sound really dumb,
and I realized now that this is not how you
kill a car. But I left it in the first year.
And I started heading down the highway and I blew
the engine di methering. It looked like game birds all
over the highways. There's just black oil everywhere, and so
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it's sitting at Less's Auto something. Last time I checked,
it's been Mary Masa and the guy's been really nice
about just keeping it until Travis figured out what he
can do. He's called We've called lawyers about it, and
my lawyer said, you know, have your insurance fixed it?
And his lawyer said, your insurance might not fix this
because it might be considered mechanical. So that's the less
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we've talked about it. We've been he's been real busy
and hasn't had a lot of time to attend to it.
And I have a vehicle right now, but not for
much longer because I have to give it back to
the bank.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
So you know that your mail that payment in the bank.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
It was a few weeks ago. Yeah, it must have been.
Oh yeah, in fact, that's my first payment because we digest.
We just did this car deal like right before I moved,
and he's been we had only have a buyer's agreement too,
like thinks that I checked out and mail cam, but
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we have, like you said, just get on your feet,
you know, and stress entertainments. And the agreement was no
excellent for months whatever I could say. So finally got
a job and did what was Yeah, it was one
hundred dollars a month minimum, okay minimum and if I
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could pay one pay month please you know.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Okay. So we did talk to certain people, and I mean,
I don't want to tell you this, I don't want
to make you feel that, but uh, there's they didn't
have the best the thing is to say about you.
They felt that you were either taking advantage of him
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or just you know, hanging around when you weren't wanted.
They mentioned that you would sometimes you know, end up
went into his house if you were in his house
or he didn't want you there, and he would ask
you to leave, but you would continue to return. There
was also some to talk about you, you know, spine
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on his email and Facebook account, those types of things.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Oh, he gave me his He gave me his Facebook
password and his my Space password, and I gave him
my but I gave him my Facebook pathword and my
Gmail account password. And the reason we did that is
because it was kind of dumb. We did that months
and months ago, and we thought, what's what can we
do to try to read that was trust between us
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and you know, well, why don't we start with that?
And so that's what we did, and then you know,
it just didn't work. He got really upset finally, and
he's like, you know, this isn't working. And I said,
all right, this is too much of a headache. Let's
just change our passwords. So he did.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
He changed our passwords.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
After that, I changed lying gosh, not long ago, holla,
three weeks ago maybe, And I don't know about his
because I haven't once he made a clarity, wasn't comfortable
with that anymore. I didn't even try to get back
into his account anymore.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
So, yeah, I mean, I've been married almost twenty years
and I don't have my wife.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
You know, really, I know you sometimes it's true, it's true.
And I told him, you know, we have, We've had
hours on hours of conversation, and I said, you know,
I just don't know if I could ever trust you again,
you know, and if he doesn't know if he could
ever trust me, are because I might always want to
get back into his own and find out did he
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really have something going on or what, because you know
he did at one point or you know. And so
he said, yeah, I understand that, and he's but if
we were married, you would have all my captors everything,
because there wouldn't be anything to worry about. And I thought, well,
that's nice, you know, but we're not married. So and
as far as getting into his emails, that never happened.
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What he has on his computer is I think you
would oftentimes just leave his computer on books and feeling
his Gmail we go up and there were times the
night got on the computer to look up at the
thing and Gmail will about open and I would just
close it. That would constantly getting handled email. You know.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I had to mention that to you because we are
getting a search warrant for his email or you know,
Gmail and Facebook, those people, and we can tell where
those things were accessed from by ips and I I
just want to make it clear that you know that
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if you did access it from somewhere else at a
certain time, you know, if you access to from California,
we're going to know.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Yeah, I'll tell you right now that I did. Okay,
he gave me his passwords, not the only account that
I access Bill in my Face and Gmail because those
are really packwards.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Help, how long ago was the last time?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
We actually asked? Weeks ago? We had. We had a
conversation where it's like he made it clear that he
wasn't comfortable with that anymore, and I said, that's okay,
and he and I changed my Gmail account packward because
he got into that too, and then he saw another
guy's email there and it gave me a hard time
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about it. And so it just was, you know, we're
both coming to move on, and yeah, we're both I
don't know, he was weird.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
It seems like there was a.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Lot of jealousy issues.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
I think there might have been on both parts. For me,
it wasn't so much jealousy as it was like I
just I just wanted to know, Like I just wanted
him to be honest, and for him, I think there is.
One of the reasons I moved was because we were
spending too much time together and we weren't we weren't
moving on and it wasn't able to. I mean, I
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guess I could have dated other people well, that our
social circles were so small that anytime you heard about
something and it just.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Looks good, did you Did you move down here the
first time because of him?
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Yeah? I lived with it because of him, and I
moved away because of him. Primarily, I also wanted a
way for financial reasons. Now that you know, there are
three main reasons I moved here. When I moved in
my family too financially had in three was because of travel,
and the main reason that I moved there was because
of travel.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Okay, yeah, because when we first arrived on the scene
and started talking to people, and some of his closest friends,
you know again mentioning your name is you know, hey,
you need to call her because she probably knows what
happened to him or she possibly had something to do
with it. Oh gosh, no, I've had That's how bad
it was getting it and I, you know, I needed
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to talk to you to find out why they would
say something like that. Why would they would start pointing
fingers in your direction right away?
Speaker 9 (37:00):
I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe because I'm the next girlfriend.
We've had lots of fights, was it was?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
There a lot of issues? Uh, you know, I mean
obviously it wasn't you know, it wasn't a great relationship.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
It was great for a while until we until it all.
You know, we started fighting because I did no thing,
and I got into beanting phone because I had a
suspicion that he wasn't being faithful and I found, you know,
when text messages that were no good, and rather than
being an adult about it and confronting him, I kept
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it in and I kind of let it fester, and
you know, I was in the drawling it in a
why and I wanted to talent that I was worried
that it would just lead to a unnecessary fight. And
then I realized this is no kind of relationship. So
I finally all came out and he was really apologetic,
but we just both realized that neither of us could
be and it was in an an adult relationship. And
that was June of last year. So at that point we.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
The you continued to see each other, you know.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
A long time after that.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Well, you know, I'm glad I did get a hold
of you again, you did call me, because it kind
of clears up a lot of the questions I had
a lot of the concerns. Okay, it's not what I
don't think, it's what these people thoughts.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
You know, Yeah, I should probably I should probably tell
you that. You know, Travis, when he got upset, he
would send me really me emails. He would send me
the text messages. You think you'll find probably some stuff
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on his Facebook. I know for sure you'll find on
Facebook and definitely as Gmail. And you're welcome to access
all of my accounts here if you want.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
With Travis, probably gonna gonna just put all his Facebook
and Gmail and you know, everything to see who he
was communicating with, what he was saying saying to him.
You know, I'm not sure how far back.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
We usually go six months to a year, okay, but
you know, in a case like this, you know we
need to know, you.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Know, who had some type of being with him, who
you know, why they would.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Do something like this to Yeah, you know, I hate
telling people on.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
The phone, but you know, it's like I said, it
is a homicide of atigation, and it was an angry situation.
And when we see scenes like this, you know, the
first thing we think is these people hated each other.
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Somebody went in there to hurt him, and and they did,
and they hurt him really bad. And he's a big guy,
and it would take it, like I mentioned report where
it would take more than one person to take this
to him. Can you honestly, I was just hoping maybe
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you can kind of point me in the right direction.
I'm talking to everybody else.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
What was to a guy named Thomas Brown? And I
don't think that honestly, I hadn't seen or heard from
him since he was kicked out. I think his last
name was Brown. I could try to find him on
obviously dot com, but it was you know, that was
so long ago though. That was last spring of two
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thousand and seventh, March even And what happened was got
kicked out because he was considered like borderline sexual predator,
not like a racist, but coming on to girls and
and you know, that kind of thing, and it's just
really looked down upon the church. And so he was
this fellowship and Travis dead and you need him get
out and you know, get stuff out of my house.
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And it wasn't a friendly situation. It was set over
the phone because he and I were in Missouri and
somewhere back just touring and and tomma twist.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
So he ended up kicking him out at that time.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
Yeah, he kicked him out at the time. But tell me,
you know, he's a really big guy, but he doesn't
seem like he doesn't seem violent. He seemed pretty gently,
just seemed like a little bit buggish, but like he
was trying to act apart, not because he was that
because maybe because he thought it would like attract chicks
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or something. I don't know. So he seems honestly like
I didn't know him that well, but he seemed like
a big dune teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
There was part of this conversation. Was there also a
discussion between you and the defense about whether or not
she had some regrets about not being there at the
time of the attack?
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (41:59):
And is that memory.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Let to show or as see what her feelings are
about whether or not you should have been there.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Yes, I moved in the issue said before you and
enjoyed ever menion that of jos and remission of another.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Excerpt or not at least about two of you.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Kay?
Speaker 9 (42:21):
You remembering the work?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Gee?
Speaker 9 (42:25):
Okay, you know? And I just wanted to say like
that Travis and I hadn't You hadn't an on off
kind of relationship. I don't know, I I we just
weren't talking a lot the last several weeks, a couple
of times a week, and I just keep saying, what
if what if I just gone down there? What if
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I had never moved and it would have been there
and I couldn't know. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Well, I mean
it was more soratic. It was more soratic. But we're
usually late at night, like twelve anywhere between twelve am
and or one am, and like pre were three or
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four in the morning. He was kind of did he'd
have any.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Of the soll phones? Who poss it? All? What we
saw on one cell phone?
Speaker 9 (43:17):
You know, I'm pretty sure if he made it otherwise
I know about it. He has his Horizon cell phone
and he had his land line.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I don't have any other questions at this time, however.
Speaker 13 (43:30):
Will recall its examination.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Hello detective Hello, I'm going to ask you about.
Speaker 12 (43:42):
The portion of your work that mister Martinez just spoke
to you about. All right, okay, but just to before
we do that, already, back up just a little bit.
You mentioned that you were called out to the scene. Yes, okay,
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how does that work exactly?
Speaker 5 (44:07):
The call usually comes in from a patrol officer to
my supervisor. We had two supervisors at that time in
a homicide unit, and they make the decision on who
to call out to investigate that particular homicide that night.
Speaker 12 (44:20):
Okay, So when you received the call to the asking
you to go out to this address on Queensborough.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
What information do you have?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
The only information I had was that there was a
suspicious death and they gave me the address on Queensboro
and they didn't have any further information.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (44:40):
And you recall as best you can estimate how long
a time period was it between the time that you
received that call by the time you arrived at the
house on Queensborough.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
It was within an hour, okay.
Speaker 12 (44:55):
And describe for us, if you will, what the scene
was when you arrived. What was going on when you
pulled up to the house.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Well, the house was cordoned off with police caution tape
around the entire residence. Actually the street was blocked off
as well, and then with police vehicles and patrol officers
and patrol supervisors there at that time.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (45:22):
You say the street was blocked off as just in
front of the house. Was that the entire street now
just in front of the house, okay? And it sounded
it seems to me like there were some base on
what Officer Williams told us, there were some people around
the house.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Where were they?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
They were off on one of the corners, probably about
thirty to forty yards away from the house.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, And.
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Why didn't you tell us were there? Several officers there
would just kind of give us a description of.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
That, anywhere from around four to six officers.
Speaker 12 (45:59):
Say, okay, so the crimes even mcording off, the people
were put into a certain area.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Correct, They weren't really putting in an area, but they
were off on a corner somewhere there were neighbors. And
from what I could tell, friends of Travis, and tell
us what you did when you got up to the house.
We first met with the patrol supervisor, uniform patrol supervisor there,
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and we received the briefing of what they received so far,
the information and what they've done up to that point.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And that was the night of the ninth.
Speaker 12 (46:44):
Yes, And you said you were there till the early
morning hours of the tent.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
We were there pretty much the entire day. The rest
of the day as well.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Okay, So did you how long did you stay on
that first night.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I don't recall the exact time, but I know it
was evening. It was dark when we left on the tenth, okay.
And then you returned the tenth, Yes, in the morning. Yes, okay,
And this phone call we just heard about. We just
heard excerpts from I should say, when did.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
That take place?
Speaker 5 (47:21):
That took place late morning, early afternoon on the tenth, okay.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
And then when you referenced.
Speaker 12 (47:32):
During that phone call, you just heard it, correct, Yes,
you reference people talking about miss Arius being a stocker,
always around when she wasn't supposed to be that sort
of thing. Where did that information come from?
Speaker 5 (47:47):
That information came from some of my fellow officers and
fellow detectives who I assigned to go talk and interview
some of the people at the scene.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
Okay, So they conduct interviews with these various people, and
then you discuss what they learned with them.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
And did you talk to anyone specifically that night?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
We conducted some interviews at the Mace Police station. Mimi Hall,
who was here testifying. We talked to her and and
some of the roommates. There was two roommates in particular.
Speaker 12 (48:24):
And that was part of your your portion of the
initial investigation, right, the part you did yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (48:37):
I want to again focus in on that phone call.
Miss Arius told you that Travis's weapons were his two fifts.
You recall hearing that some few minutes ago okay. She
also mentioned that he I think her words were to
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the effect of loves beating the crap out of a
punching bag.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Was there a punching bag found in the home? Yes,
there was, okay. And where was that located?
Speaker 13 (49:10):
It was?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
I would say the downstairs living room area, okay.
Speaker 12 (49:19):
And could you describe that for us, because I know
sometimes there's punching bags that sit on the ground, sometimes
hang from the ceiling.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
It's one of the type that sits on the ground,
has the larger base.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Filled with water or sand or something, and then it
has a punching bag padded area above it.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (49:40):
And when you found that or you observed that, and
I should back up, You did enter the home that night,
is that correct?
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (49:50):
And when you observe that punching bag, did it look
like it was in place like it had been used recently?
Speaker 9 (49:55):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (49:56):
I couldn't tell, okay.
Speaker 12 (50:03):
She also mentioned in this phone call that she was
employed by mister Alexander to Cleana's home.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Did you.
Speaker 12 (50:17):
You later went through You talked also in this phone
call about going through subpoenaing his his Facebook, it was MySpace, Gmail,
all that stuff, correct, yes, okay?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
And did you review those materials?
Speaker 7 (50:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (50:33):
I never subpoened him at that time.
Speaker 12 (50:35):
It was at a later date, okay, at a later date, yes,
But you did eventually get to reviewing those materials, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And do you remember how much later?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
That was?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
A year?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Okay and a half?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Your year and a half.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
I can't remember the specific day, but all right.
Speaker 12 (50:57):
Do you remember seeing an email from mister Alexander to
miss Arias where he provides her a picture of the
French made outfit that he would like her to dawn
when she cleans his apartment or his home.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Excuse me, that doesn't sound familiar.
Speaker 12 (51:13):
I don't remember that, all right.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
You also.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Asked miss arius about.
Speaker 12 (51:25):
Rope or tassels or when you were talking about the betting,
you specifically brought up rope or tassels.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Do you recall that, Yes?
Speaker 7 (51:33):
I did?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Okay, Could you tell us why.
Speaker 7 (51:36):
You did that?
Speaker 5 (51:38):
In part of the scene, we actually saw a small
piece of fabric and it appeared to be maybe part
of a tassel, and it was right in the middle
of the scene in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Okay, a moment are.
Speaker 12 (51:55):
I'm going to hand you Exhibit two seventy one, Exhibit
to seventy, sixty.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Nine to sixty eight.
Speaker 12 (52:15):
And to sixty Now, a detective, I've showed you. Uh,
do you recognize the exhibits I've put before you?
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yes, okay?
Speaker 12 (52:25):
And as it relates, there are some that relate to
the bathroom Mary correct, yes, okay, and there are some
that are elsewhere in the house.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (52:37):
Okay? But you recognize all those photos as true and
actor depictions of the crime scene that you saw that night. Yes,
they are judged moved for the emission of those exhibits
an objection.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Exhibit two sixty five to sixty six, two sixty seven,
two sixty eight to sixty nine, two seventy and two
seventy one are in minted.
Speaker 9 (53:00):
What was running me?
Speaker 12 (53:07):
And for the record, detective, we're gonna begin with Exhibit
two seventy.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Could you describe for us what you see there?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, that's that piece of fabric list. It is number
eight with the placard eight.
Speaker 12 (53:22):
And that is the rope or taskl you're referring to
with miss Arias and a phone call. Yes, Now, detective,
I'm gonna show you exhibit two seventy one, and could you.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Advise us what we're seeing there?
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Uh, same one as the last one, just at a
different angle.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (53:45):
And again for the record, exhibit two sixty five.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Yes, another piece of roper tassel, all right, and.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
That was an just so we're clear as well, that's another.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Piece, correct, a separate piece also in the bathroom area.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
And detective, if you could describe for us what we
see in this exhibit.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
That's same as the last one, item number three, different angle.
Speaker 12 (54:10):
And for the record, this is exhibit two sixty six.
Do you describe for us what you see in this exhibit?
Speaker 5 (54:19):
You're talking about the same placard number three two, Yeah,
same as the.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Last There were also other items there.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
I believe the other two two and four were hair fibers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (54:35):
And as we were talking earlier, pieces of this rope
like substance were also found elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
In the home, were they not?
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yes, I want to show you.
Speaker 12 (54:50):
For the record, exhibit number two sixty eight.
Speaker 5 (54:57):
Could you describe for us what we see there? Yes,
another piece of the thread or string tassle. And this
was actually on the stairs leading up to the bedroom.
Speaker 12 (55:09):
And this would be that same piece of rope, just
further depicting the stairs.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Is that correct? Yes, without the pluckard.
Speaker 11 (55:16):
Now, in terms of.
Speaker 12 (55:21):
Choosing to photograph these items or do you direct a
person to take certain pictures or how does that work?
Speaker 5 (55:30):
Yes, it's up to my direction.
Speaker 12 (55:32):
Okay, and so then on be it on the ninth
or the tenth. Your attention was drawn to this rope
and thought it might be of significance in your investigation.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
Correct.
Speaker 9 (55:45):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (55:52):
The other bit of conversation you had with Miss Areas
dealt with told you when you were discussing the emails
you're talking about getting into his emails, and she was
talking about discussions they had while in an email account.
You recall that, yes, And do you recall her saying
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that he had said several mean things to her? Yes,
during in these emails. And I guess about according to
your testimony previously, it was about a year and a
half later that you actually looked at these emails.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Correct, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (56:42):
Do you remember seeing emails in which mister Alexander referred
to Miss Areas as a quote three whole wonder, yes,
as a slut, yes, as a whore?
Speaker 5 (56:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Thank you to take redirect. Why was he referred to
like that? Why she does speculation.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Sustain?
Speaker 7 (57:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
You read that email right, You responded to defense council,
didn't you? Yes, Any knowledge that you have comes from
that email, doesn't it? Yes? What did that email say?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Why was he upset?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Objection calls for speculation approach?
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Please, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take the
noon recess at this time. Please be back in the
designated area at one twenty five and we will start
promptly at one point thirty.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Please remember the admonition. Are there any questions? Have a
nice lunch. You are excused, He seated.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
The record will show the presence of the jury, the defendant,
and all council. Mister Martinez, you may continue with redect.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Your name, sir, the step on floatish and you were
the person testifying before lunch. Correct. Yes, Please take a
look at Exhibit two seventy five. Are you familiar with that? Yes? Yes,
And with regard to that item, is that the is
that the well?
Speaker 5 (58:10):
What is it? It's a copy of instant message emails
sent back between Jody Arias and Travis Alexander.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
And you were asked previously on cross examination about this
reference to a three hold wonder correct?
Speaker 9 (58:26):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Is that the document contains that reference?
Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yes, it is with.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Regard to that reference involving that particular comment. Why was
that comment made as indicated in that documentary? Speculation sustained
as phrased. Well, that's at the bottom. What does he
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complained about? What page was that answer? Eighth at the bottom?
Four lines from the bottom.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
Uh references to being used sexually by miss Arius.
Speaker 7 (59:09):
What is he saying?
Speaker 9 (59:11):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Specifically, let me read it from here. I think I
was little more than a dil dough with a heartbeat
to you.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
And that's what he's saying to heart right.
Speaker 9 (59:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
In the previous pages, pages one and two and three,
is there any do they talk about whether or not
to tell the truth. Yes, I'm gonna answering the the
questions post and cross mister March answer. It's part of
the same document as part of reason why he's calling
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what he's calling her. There's no way, God, I mean,
he's he's had to speculate.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
On the link counsel approach and bring the truth.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
What were you cage?
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
It starts with Facebook. Yes, just read it though, okay?
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Uh me? No, no, no, no, no, read it to yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Oh okay, I thought you wanted me to read it
out look, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
And in terms of the reference to the three old winder,
it's towards the bottom threact. Yes, go ahead and read
the next page, which is four.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Or sixteen to yourself. Okay, what is the context of
that comment?
Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
The context throughout those two pages is, uh, Travis Alexander
and Jody Areas are having a conversation and Travis is
complaining about her lying to him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Right, So you were pasked about some ivors and he's
set out in exhibits numbers two sixty five through two
seventy one one. Do you remember those? And I'll start
with two sixty five for example.
Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
First of all, you see the scale on there, right,
This is exhibit number two sixty five.
Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yes, And what does that word then saysmetric?
Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
And with regard to these spaces in between, in terms
of the metric scales, where are they the centimeters, millimeters, calimeters,
what are they?
Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
The large section is the small ones millimeters?
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
And how many millimeters are there in an inch?
Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Approximately twenty five?
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yeah, it's a little bit more than twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Ye, yes, how much? Well, there's two point four centimeters
in an inch, and then there's ten, so it's two
point get two.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Point five four, So we're talking twenty five point four
millimeters to an inch, right, Yes, And so that will
tell us, for example, by looking at this, by counting
out twenty five millimeters how much an inch is?
Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Yes, what you are to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Those particular items there? Can you tell whether not this
really is a piece of a rope.
Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Looks more like a small thread.
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
And if you take a look at Exhibits sixty three.
Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
And eighty one, take on those of those First of all, yes,
do you recognize those?
Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
What are those photographs of uh?
Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Photographs of the interior of Travis Alexander's house, more in
particular his bedroom and part of the bathroom near the shower.
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
And were those taken back at the time of the
investigation of the crime.
Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
In June of two thousand and eighty Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I remember the vision that exit sixty three.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Obgyptian Exhibit sixty three and eight when would be admitted?
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Just take a look at, UH, exhibit sixty three. What
are we looking at here?
Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Uh, it's a photograph of Travis Alexander's bedroom, and specifically
what is this item here? Those are UH throw pillows.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
And what's around the corners of those throw pillows.
Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Tassel like UH fibers.
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Those tassel like fibers. If we take a look at
exhibit number two sixty five.
Speaker 9 (01:03:47):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
If you were there, can you tell us whether or
not you're similar to those.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
How?
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
They are?
Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
And let me show you another exhibit its Exhibit number
two seventy one. You see this that's on there? This
the sign him here? You see that?
Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Take a look at UH exhibits numbers sixty four and sixty.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Okay, those are photographs.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Are the true and accurate depictions of an area, and and.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I am from the scene that existed back when the
investigation was being conducted in June of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yes they are. What did you name that Exhibits sixty
four and.
Speaker 9 (01:04:43):
Six eight, no objection.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
You're on exhibit sixty four and exhibit sixty will be
a minute.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
This is UH exhibit sixty four and orient us a
little bit. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Looking at the interior of Travis Alexander's bedroom, Looking from
just behind the entry door, you can actually see the
door on the right hand side door handle, and you're
looking in what direction, kind of like a northeast direction
into the bedroom.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
What does this door lead to?
Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
That one is actually to the closet that parallels the
hallway into the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
And exhibit number and there is something in the middle
here this photograph, the first one to sixty four.
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Right there, Yes, the sandals.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Okay, then take a look at exhibit sixty eight.
Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
That's a close up of what the sandals in the
middle of the room.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And with regard to the sandals, if they have any
covering on them or a person would step.
Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Yes, full of fibers.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And you see this right here?
Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
These items that are sticking out from around the.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Sandals, those are the actual fibers that the sandals are
covered with.
Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
And then if we take a look at exhibit number
two seventy one, what is that in your opinion? Could
that be? Is that consistent with having come from those us?
Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Yes, it is consistent in looking through.
Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
This whole house. Was there ever a rope that was found? No,
So if there had been a rope there and you
didn't find it, what would have happened to the rope?
Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Do you knows? You caused the speculation. It's beyond the
scope of cross over rope.
Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Uh, we would have taken it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I know it wasn't there. Would you've taken it?
Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
If somebody had taken it be for you.
Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Would you have taken it?
Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
No, I couldn't have.
Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
But did you find any long lengths of rope or
anything like that when you were there?
Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
And did you find, for.
Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Example, in Exhibit sixty three, was that bedroom examined, Yes
it was. Was the area here around the bed examined?
Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Was the area exhibit number sixty four. Was the area
right around here examined?
Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
And I mean I mean the poor more portion was
Did any officers look underneath the bed?
Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Did they look behind the headboard?
Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Was there ever a knife found anywhere near not?
Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Was there ever any roope found anywhere near there? In
other words, any of these those strands that we're talking about,
were any of those found anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Near the bed?
Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You talk about cordnying off the street and that.
Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Sort of thing when you got there and the house
being cordon doc, do.
Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
You remember that, Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I did. What's the purpose of that?
Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
To secure here the residents, to keep anybody from going
in and disturbing any evidence, so that from the time.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
That the police received the call till the time the
police first police officer came the nobody had access to it.
Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
Yeah, pleas correct, that's correct.
Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And how long did you keep the scene open or
how long is it seen security? So to speak?
Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Almost three days?
Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I don't have any other questions, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I have one question from a juror. Are there any
other questions from jur If there are questions, ladies and gentlemen,
raise your hand, and if you need some time.
Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
To write it out, just let me know and we
will wait for you. Counsel, please approach right. Detective Majuror
has a question for you.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Are the exhibits number two seventy two, two seventy three
and two seventy four from the same conversation?
Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
What exhibits are those? Can I see them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
They are?
Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
J Jerman.
Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
You may cross and follow up on did your question
if you have, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Still have exibus of the US Yes? And you find
the approach runner. Yeah, Well, I actually want to tell
you what we will put up Exhibit sixty.
Speaker 12 (01:09:24):
Three Again, mister Martinez showed you that just a minute ago.
You recall saying that, yes, okay, based on the observations
you made, and I believe what you told us was that, uh,
this picture accurately depicts what you saw at the crime
scene on June ninth and or June tenth.
Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (01:09:47):
Okay? And it would appear that those pillows are in
an unmolested state, would you agree?
Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And you recall mister Martinez also ask you about with
some fibers on them?
Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (01:10:06):
Let me step back a bit. Mason Police Department. You're
how long have you been employed there?
Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Nineteen years?
Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
Okay, so you're pretty familiar with the practices and the
procedures and those sort of things. Correct, Yes, okay, And
I suspect, then could you tell us whether Mason Police
Department has a crime lab? Yes, we do, okay. And
what sort of things does that crime lab do?
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Everything from DNA typing, fingerprint analysis, blood work, those kinds
of things.
Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (01:10:42):
So if they had known fibers, for example, from these
pillows or from sandals or that sort of thing, they
could compare that against items you found at the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Correct. Our lab does not do that, okay, So.
Speaker 12 (01:10:55):
You could either there would be no way for you
to compare.
Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
We would have to send those up to another lab.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Okay, Was that done?
Speaker 9 (01:11:02):
No?
Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
Okay, So the estimation you're making that these these are
similar characteristics are just based on your observation, not any
actual data testing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
That's correct?
Speaker 12 (01:11:14):
Okay, thank you, mister Martinez.
Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Was that three exhibits or the three DVDs that you
have in front of you, those were from the same conversation? Correct?
Yes they were. What date was the conversation that you
had of those three DVDs?
Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
They were June tenth today?
Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Who initiated that? In other words, I know you made
the call, but were you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Returning a call? I was returning a call a message
to call Jody Areas back.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I don't have any other questions. Thank you.
Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
Let me step down.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Statement calls.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Next witness say called Heather Carter.
Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Can you spell your first and last name?
Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Please have an other beach th author raised right now?
You do saw me square.
Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
The testimony you're about to give will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
So help you God, How do you thank you?
Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Lea's walk right around and have a seat made receipt.
Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
May I have your name?
Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Please yes, my name is Heather Connor. What are you
I work for the Masa Police Department.
Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
And how long have you worked for the Mason Partner.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I was hired in June or excuse me, September of
two thousand and four.
Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
And what were your.
Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Duties when you were initially hired?
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
When I was originally hired at the Masa Police Department,
I was hired as a crime scene technician. I was
promoted in June of two thousand and five to latent
print examiner.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And what kind of do you have to have a
degree for that sort of thing? What kind of experience
did you have or education prior to being hired.
Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I hold a Bachelor of Science degree in anthropology and journalism.
I have an Associate of Science degree in forensic technology.
Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
What were your duties back in June of two thousand
and eight?
Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
In June of two thousand and eight, I was a
latent print examiner. Among my duties includes the performing the
comparative analysis of unknown finger and palm prints that are
recovered from crime scenes and items of evidence to known
subjects prints. I also process evidence in the laboratory using
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various chemicals and powders and I respond to major crime scenes,
I take photographs, collect evidence, and process for latent prints.
Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
With regard to this issue of latent fingerprints, what is
a latent fingerprint?
Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
A latent fingerprint is a chance impression on the palmer
sides of your hands and the soles of your feet.
We have a specialized type of skin that's called friction
ridge skin, very similar to corduroy, and that there are
peaks and valleys to that skin. And throughout the day
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you can collect different materials on the surface of your skin,
including oils from your face, or hair, grease from the
food that you eat, or other things throughout your day,
and when you touch a surface, you can leave an
impression of the arrangement of friction ridges on your hands
or palms onto that surface.
Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
So as I understand, what you're saying is that these
impressions that are left behind. Wow, let me ask it
this way.
Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Are they left behind every single time that a person,
for example, touches a surface like I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Doing here on this podium.
Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
No, there are many reasons a print may or may
not be left behind.
Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Well, does environment have anything to do with whether or
not this impression it's going to be left behind. Yes, specifically,
what environmental factors effect whether or not it's.
Speaker 13 (01:14:55):
Going to be left behind.
Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
It's a very warm day, most the perspiration on your
fingers is water. It can evaporate, So if it's a
very warm day, you may not leave an impression behind.
You may have very dry hands. The residue left behind
could evaporate from the surface. If it's been raining, the
residue could be washed away. Environmental factors like that can
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affect whether a print is left behind or not.
Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
How about a surface, For example, if I get a
hold of something that's made out of wood, and I
put my hands all over it, and my more or
less likely to leave a chance or layer fingerprint behind
depend it's got a lot of holes in it, just
a piece of wood, I.
Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Would say in that case, you're less likely to leave
a latent print behind on a very rough holy surface
than a smooth, hard surface. If you think of a
fingerprint as a rubber stamp, and think about if you
ink up a rubber stamp and press it on a
very rough surface, you don't get a very clear impression
of that stamp left behind. A fingerprint is the same
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sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
What about movement?
Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
What if I'm, for example, going through something and I'm
moving very quickly, and I slide my hand against the
surface like I did of.
Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
The podium, there my left or more likely to leave
a fingerprint.
Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
You may leave a fingerprint behind in that circumstance, but
you could be smearing the fingerprint and the arrangement won't
be visible. It won't be very clear based on the movement.
Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
So you get these fingerprints, let's assume that you actually
lift them. How do you go about determining who's the
person that left it behind. Let's say, in this world
where you have billions and billions of people, you don't
know who the person was that left it behind. That's
why you're checking. So how is it that you go
about affecting an identification.
Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
The methodology that we use to compare fingerprints, it goes
by the acronym ace V. That's a c h V
that stands for analysis, comparison, evaluation and verification. In the
analysis phase, what an examiner will do is examine the
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latent impression to determine its overall suitability for comparison. The
overall ridge flow of that print. Can I tell if
it's a finger or a palm? Can I tell the
orientation of the print? How clear is the information? Is
there a great deal of difficulty in distinguishing between the
raised portions, which would be the ridges and the furrows.
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We're looking for three levels of detail and a fingerprint.
Level one detail is the overall ridge flow and in
the fingers will be pattern type. And we're looking for
level two detail. That's called ridge characteristics. Many other terms
that can be used, such as minutia, galt in detail,
things like that. That's going to be where a ridge
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is flowing along and abruptly ends, called that an ending ridge.
You also have ridges that flow along and then branch
into two ridges, and that's called a bifurcation. So that's
the second level of detail that we're looking at in
the analysis phase. The third level of detail is pores
on the friction ridge surfaces. There are pores that exude sweat.
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The location, shape and size of those pores is visible
in some impressions. And the other part of third level
detail would be the shapes of the edges of the
ridges themselves. So in the analysis phase we're looking for
all of that information. It's fact gathering. We're looking to
see do we have level one detail, Do we have
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level two detail? Do we have level three detail? That's
all with just the latent impression. Then we move to
the known impressions or exemplars, and we're performing analysis of
the Stop.
Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Okay, what if you don't know who the person is
when you go out to a scene. I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Correct, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
So are you familiar with something called APHIS?
Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
What is APHIS is an acronym?
Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Correct it is?
Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
And what is an aphos fand for ATHOS.
Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Is the automated fingerprint identification system. And without talking about
the actual bank that's involved, just I'm just talking about
the machine.
Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Don't I don't want to know how the nome's go
in there?
Speaker 11 (01:19:25):
Okay, do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Okay?
Speaker 11 (01:19:28):
Does this machine help you? Then make a comparison to.
Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Other nodes that may be around yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
And what is the advantage of having the APHIS system
as opposed to a human being sitting down and making
this comparison.
Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
The APHIS system is a searching database, so we're able
to enter a latent print into the database the first
joint of the fingers and the palms, and it will
create a mathematical algorithm and bring back ten candidates that
the computer believes are close to this latent impression.
Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
The examiner then is able to.
Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Well, then let me stop you. Then, are you telling
me that the advantage of APIs is speed, Yes, because
they can go through thousands upon thousands of fingerprints within
a very short period of time, right yes, and if
any of them are similar, then it spits it out
right yes, But as an examiner, that's not an identification, correct, No,
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it's not, because then that's when the human person comes in,
right yes, And then a human person does what with
those candidates that have been spit out?
Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
The examiner initially views the latent and the known impression
on the screen one at a time and determines whether
or not they've they have a hit. If a hit
is declared, then a known exemplar that non exemplar will
be obtained by the examiner and a one to one
comparison will be performed between the and the known The
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examiner is the one who does that comparison final comparison.
Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
In our talk today, one of the things that we
keep referring to is that the fingerprints, and we've been
talking about that how about palms, for example, are palms
also unique to individuals or is it a situation where
the only comparison that can be done is involving the fingerprints.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
No, the arrangement of skin on all the palmer surfaces
of the hands is unique.
Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
And so once you let's say that you have does
this APUs system also have the palm prints in it
that can be used or not?
Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
When you look at a fingerprint and you're doing this comparison,
are you then also able to orient it and find
out what part of the hand is involved, whether it's
one of the fingers or in the palm. Can you
do that?
Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
It depends on the quality of the latent.
Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Well, let's assume it's a great quality, the best quality
you ever had. Can you do it?
Speaker 9 (01:21:59):
Then?
Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
In many cases yes, And if you have the palm,
you can tell what part of the palm it is then.
Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Right, if there are certain if there's enough information in
the palm, you can use those to help determine where
the land is from.
Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
So, in other words, are you saying that if you
have a pom print you cannot tell what part of
the palm print it is, What part of the palm
it is.
Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
There are latent impressions that are palm prints that are
very clear that you cannot tell necessarily where it originates from.
On the hand, yes, correct, but there's some that you
can then, right, Yes, so that's part of what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Then correct that is part? Is that done out of
the scene or is that done somewhere else?
Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
The entry of latenc into aphis and the comparison of.
Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Prince is done in the lab, and so that the
gathering of these latined fingerprints, how is that done out
of the scene.
Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
A majority of the processing that we'll do at a
scene in order to collect layton princes is done with
powder and lift tape.
Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
And the others, which indicates that there may be others.
What are the other processes that are out there?
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
There is some chemical processing techniques that we can use
at the scene, depending on the type of residue that
we believe a latent impression may have been left in.
In this particular case, for example, what black powder the
only method that was used at the scene to attempt
to gather night in prints?
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
No, it was not.
Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Why aren't you telling me what those other processes were?
In this case?
Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Luco crystal violet And what is that? That is a
chemical that reacts to the heme and hemoglobin to stain
a dark purplish blue color if it comes into contact
with it. And what is the advantage of that? What
is the advantage of this? Local crystal violet. Luco crystal
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violet or LCV is specific does not react with the
regular constituents of fingerprint residue. So if there's an impression
that I believe is left potentially in oils or fats
or lipids, that sort of thing, I would not use
local crystal violet. Luco crystal violet would be used to
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search for potential impressions that are left in blood, for example.
Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
So the value of local crystal violet is that the
print may have been left in a medium other than
for example, sweat.
Speaker 11 (01:24:31):
Or oils or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Correct. That's correct, And the way you sort of seem
to say it, it's specifically designed when you believe that
perhaps the print is left in blat, that's correct. In
this case. Also, again, as part of going to the
scene lifting fingerprints and that sort of thing, do you
do anything with the evidence or items that are going
to be taken back to the lab For future examination,
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whether they be latent fingerprints or whether they be anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yes, all items that an entry value or photographed and
then collected by meat which are then and turn impounded
into our evidence section.
Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It would seem to me though, that if you have
all these items of evidence out there, and if you're
just photographing them and collecting them, that you're not going
to know where which is where you found something. So,
for example, if there's some shoes over there, there's a
gun over there, how are you going to know what
num which is which.
Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
The way which we will document evidence to be collected
is it will be marked, typically with an identifier such
as a number. We have what we call placards. They
look like small plastic tents that have numbers on them,
and we will typically put those next to an item
of evidence, photograph it with that placard to document how
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it will be identified later.
Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
That's with regard to items that you can take. What
about if there's an item one of the things that
we've been talking about is laightten fingerprints or blood smears,
that sort of thing, How is it that do you
also put a number by those or do you put
a different sort of designation so that you know that
what you have something that you didn't take, but you
took a sample of it.
Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Certainly, in in some cases a different type of identifier
will be used. In this case, I used letters for
those things that were photographed that could not be collected directly.
Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Let me show you an exhibit you recognize Exhibit two
forty nine, Yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
That is a diagram of a portion of the scene
that I responded to?
Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Which portion of the scene are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
It appears to be the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
When you say it sounds like you're not sure. Are
you sure?
Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
You're not sure?
Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yes, it is. It's the master bedroom, closet and bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Is this a true act or depiction of the scene
as it existed when you were there and you conducted
your work?
Speaker 9 (01:26:50):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
And how long were you there conducting your work?
Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
We spent over three days at the crime scene.
Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
When you say we it's sort of a royal thing.
I'm not interested in what others may have done, hollow
were you at the scene, because that's what we're really
is testifying three days?
Speaker 9 (01:27:08):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
And there were others that.
Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
Were there with you? Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
There were?
Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Were there a technicians there with youth.
Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yes, and who else we've lived in there with you assistant?
Speaker 9 (01:27:18):
Whout this thing.
Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
In what capacity?
Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
In any capacity?
Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
There were several detectives there at at various times officers.
There was members of the biology unit of the Mesa
Police Department and also another latent print examiner.
Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
When you say, uh, the members of biology biology unit,
what did they.
Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Concentrate on a DNA evidence?
Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
And in this particular case, you can see that there
is a variety of numbers here and there's also red
areas and bodying that sort of thing. Is this a
true accurate depiction Moodey items that were on the scene
at the time that we were there during those three
days in June two thousand and eights.
Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
And the adsion is there a point area.
Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
Moment? There are.
Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
No exa exhibit two for are.
Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
You in isignited? I think we may have a Readie
talked a little bit about this, but just keep your.
Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
View of.
Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
This area, she said, two treats the area there?
Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
Uh where it says forty four and twenty four?
Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
Do you see that there?
Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Not from here? I apologize, I can m.
Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
This area here. Do you see it here?
Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
Yes? I do what is that area?
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Tell me a little bit about that area there.
Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
That is the two doors. Those are the two doors
leading into the master bedroom. And those are numbers design
items of evidence that were collected from those doors with
regard to the doors. Did were you did you check
anybody that you were you were supervising?
Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Did anybody check to see what type of uh lock
that was involved?
Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
There is a photograph of that locking mechanism, and I.
Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Have Okay, now after you walk in there and you
take a look at this right here, what is this?
That's Marsh's forty five? I mean, what are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
That forty five is a piece of carpeting that was
at the entry to the hallway leading to the master
bathroom that had a large area of red staining on
it that was collected.
Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
And did you walk down that hallway?
Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And as you walk down that hallway, where did it
take you to the master bathroom? And what's it the bathroom?
Where is the tub in comparison to.
Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
The door as you're walking in, it would be to
your left.
Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
And is that where the body was up?
Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
The body was found in the shower that was to
the left, Yes, And just just to be clear, they'd
have both a bathtup and a shower, right, yes, is
the body found in the shower of suation?
Speaker 9 (01:30:16):
Correct? Yes?
Speaker 14 (01:30:16):
All right, But take a look at them on foldor
think take a look at that exhibits one through seven.
Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
And see if you recognize us to pick the day.
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Do you recognize what's there?
Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
I do? And what area do those photographs depict?
Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
This depicts the entry and the front of the home
that I responded to, the garage and a portion of
the laundry room of that scene.
Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Are they as true and after depictions of those areas
again as they were on the day that you responded
antivity and were there?
Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yes, their.
Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Remember the indission of exhibits from one through seven, no objection.
Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
The exhibits one through seven are admitted. So we're going
to take a five minute recess. Actually we'll make it
a ten minute recess. So ladies and gentlemen be back
in the designated area at twenty minutes till three and
we will resumed probably at that time. Please remember the
ammunition you are excused FTR is not currently working. She's
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rebooting the computer, so we need to make sure it's
working before we can proceed.
Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yes, you can take a we are at Let's bring
in the jury.
Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Records, show the presence of the jury, Heather.
Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Car Let's take a look at that exhibits what are
we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
This is the front of the house.
Speaker 11 (01:32:30):
And the exposure of the house. What direction is towards
my pen?
Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
This way north? Okay, wouldn't it be that way? Let's
take continue looking at it okay. Exhibit number two.
Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
That is another view of the front of the house
showing the front door.
Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
And it also shows a closer up of.
Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
What the vehicles that are parked in the garage and driveway.
Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
And how many are there?
Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Three total?
Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
And number.
Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
Three?
Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
That is a photograph of the front door entry and
the numbers of the residents, and what's the address of
the residence one, one, four, two eight, and what's the
street Queensboro?
Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Exhibit number four. What do we see there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
That is a photograph of the open garage door view
into the garage and the two cars in that garage.
Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
What kind of car is this? Do you know.
Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
A Toyota Prius? And the color given how galery this
photograph is, what color.
Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Was it when you were out there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Dina I believe it was black.
Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Exhibit number five.
Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
The rear of that toyota prius.
Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Okay. If you then look over here to the right,
do you see what that is? That is a doorway
leading from the.
Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Garage into the laundry room of the residents. Yeah, And
this right here is what it appears to be a
garage door opener.
Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
And this right here, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 11 (01:34:26):
You're familiar with light switches?
Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Does that look like it could be a light switch?
Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
It appears to be.
Speaker 11 (01:34:34):
And then if we just shows us the rest of
the garage and what's here?
Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Correct?
Speaker 9 (01:34:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
And do you know what this is?
Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
A bicycle?
Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Okay? Now, Exhibit number six is what.
Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
That is?
Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
A view a view of the laundry room that includes
the washer and dry that we're inside that room.
Speaker 11 (01:35:01):
And this door here where does that lead to?
Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
That door leads to the garage.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
And if we take a look at exhibit number five,
do you see this door here? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
I do.
Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
There are those one and the same doors they Exhibit
number seven also shows as a door. Are you familiar
with which door this one is?
Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
I believe that is the same door we've been discussing
from the laundry room to the garage, and.
Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
You say you believe it sort of implies that you're
not sure. Take a look at it. And then if
we take a look at exhibit number six, you see
that same door.
Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Those are the same doors.
Speaker 11 (01:35:47):
And is this then the door that leads out to
the garage?
Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
And what is this up here?
Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
An alarm keypad of some kind?
Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
A look at some more for take a look at
exhibit eight through sixteen. Do you recognize those photographs? Yes?
Speaker 13 (01:36:14):
I do.
Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
What do they depict?
Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
These photographs depict the washing machine and the contents of
that washing machine, and.
Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Again release photographs taken at it. Yes, they were a
move for the admission of exhibits numbers eight through sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Exhibits eight through sixteen are admitted.
Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
First of all, let's take a look at exhibit number six.
That's the one that we just talked about. And what
is this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
That is a dryer and this right here washing machine?
Speaker 9 (01:36:54):
All right?
Speaker 11 (01:36:55):
Exhibit number eight shows us what what are we looking that.
Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Is a reddish stain that was on top of the
edge of the water.
Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Exhibit number nine. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
That is looking at the same area of the washing
machine pulled back a little bit with some labeled, some
stickers to label and identify some stains seen on the
washing machine.
Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Are these the reddish stains that you guys were looking at,
or just stains.
Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Generally reddish brown stain? There's a red number on there.
Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Do you see that? I'm red?
Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
I'm sorry black?
Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
You see that?
Speaker 13 (01:37:35):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I thought in our previous discussion we indicated that if
it's something that you can't seize or that you take
a swab from, that you actually would give it a letter.
What's going on with.
Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
These ones in black?
Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
These particular stains were labeled by a member of the
biology unit so that presumptive testing could be performed. I
wasn't involved in these labels.
Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
So, in other words, these are labeled by somebody from
the biology unit to see whether or not this was
a ladder or something.
Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Correct.
Speaker 11 (01:38:14):
Exhibit number ten is a close up with one of
those ones.
Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Correct, Yes, it is, And if we bring it in
a little bit closer, it has something to the side
of it. You see that I do.
Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
What is that the letter B?
Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
So, for example, then if we go to the previous exhibit,
there are two ones there, one would be either, well,
we can look at it. We can see that they're
labeled with letters. Also, correct, this one is yes, and
then if you take a look at the other one
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doesn't seem to have a letter on there though.
Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Right, it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Exhibit number eleven. What are we let me give you
a better view of that. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
That is a photograph into the washing machine when the
lid was lifted during the entry photos.
Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
And there are some items in there? Correct, Yes, there are.
This is.
Speaker 11 (01:39:20):
Exhibit number twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
That's a digital camera that was found inside of the
washing machine.
Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
And for the sake of completeness, is this the way
the camera was at the time that you guys went
into it and started taking photographs of it? Yes, it was,
and you were there on what.
Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Dates June tenth, eleventh, and twelfth, and it ran into
the thirteenth on.
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
The twelfth, All right?
Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Exhibit number thirteen. What are we seeing here?
Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
That is another photo of the contents of the washing machine.
Now with those evidence placards that I discussed to identify
items that we're going to be collected, right, thirty nine
is what thirty nine is all of the contents of
the washing machine with the exception of the camera.
Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
So this is all the clothing articles and thirty eight
is the camera, that's correct? And Exhibit number fourteen is
that just a different view of how the items are
placed in there? Yes?
Speaker 13 (01:40:29):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
In just looking at this and you were there, and
that's the reason why I'm asking. It doesn't seem like
this is a full lug?
Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Does it?
Speaker 9 (01:40:38):
Co world?
Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
It didn't appear to be full?
Speaker 11 (01:40:42):
Note Exhibit number fifteen. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
That is a photograph of the camera after it's been
removed from the washing machine and placed on butcher paper
in order to take additional advantage viewpoints of that camera.
Speaker 11 (01:40:59):
And Exhibit number sixteen is.
Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
What a top view of the Take a look at
that exhibit number from fourteen. What digital camera?
Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Is this a digital camera that we see pictured in
exhibit number sixteen.
Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Mai, I agree in particular thinks this is the same
camera that is depicted in the wash that's I was
collected from inside the water classic.
Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
It's someds inside the camera, right, Yes, how do you
know what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Looks like power chords some kinds, right, but uh.
Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
It's as far as you're concerned. The only thing that
was taken from that washing machine is the camera that's
in that exhibit.
Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
Correct, Yeah, that'd yah, I was grooved in the editiontive.
Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
The two fourteen. Would you accept that this power out
care taken or is it r or taken out?
Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Is it that two fourteen is admitted and it would
be repackaged.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Without the high work record?
Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Do you know whether or not there was a uh,
what was a sim card attached to this thing?
Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
There was a memory card in the side of the
washing machine. That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Please take a look at, uh, exhibit number fifteen. Do
you recognize that? Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:42:29):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
This is the memory card that was collected from inside
the one.
Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Woman that actually packaged it.
Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
I guess correct when it was originally in the envelope?
Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Yes, I know for the admission of Exhibit two fifteen,
Northgician M two fifteen to sixty Exibit two fifteen. And
what we're actually looking at is this square or rectangular
blue thing? Correct? Yes, it's not you know the dimensions
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of this or is it just very small?
Speaker 9 (01:43:05):
It's small.
Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Let's take a look at exhibit number two torches. Do
you recognize that? Yes, I do. What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
This is what I labeled as a digital camera door
that was found at the bottom of the washing machine
and was collected.
Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Was this after the clothing had been removed? Yes, the
mission of exhibit number two.
Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
No objection on twenty is admitted.
Speaker 11 (01:43:34):
And then this is the item that you collect right here?
Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Correct? Yeah? Do you recognize your single photographs? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
I do.
Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
What do they show?
Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
They show the items that were removed from the washing
machine as an item number thirty nine laid out. It
also shows additional items of evidence that were identified to
be collected with evidence placards nine.
Speaker 9 (01:44:05):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
That's all the clothing items that were in that that one.
Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
I got for the admission of exhibits numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
No junction Yager Exhibits seventeen through twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Five are exhibit number seventeen. We see the placard thirty nine.
What is this up here?
Speaker 11 (01:44:32):
It's a towel, right and directly underneath it?
Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
What are those socks? And to the left those are
also socks.
Speaker 11 (01:44:41):
Okay, it does seem that.
Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Do you see this part up here on the towe
I do? It does seem that the towel is a
bit discolored. Doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:44:54):
Exhibit number eighteen.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Is that the same towel? Yes, it is, and it
shows this other end here right? Yes? What is this
right here? A T shirt? Or do you know what
this is right here?
Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
I know the glare is bad, but I don't recall
specifically the particular clothing items.
Speaker 11 (01:45:17):
And exhibit number nineteen, do you know what these are
right here?
Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Underwear?
Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
And this.
Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Another shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
And these rhythms.
Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
They appear to be short, they appear to be all
those items in the photographs.
Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
Take a look at what's in there and then tell
me this is the fact item your items?
Speaker 13 (01:46:04):
Do you regard.
Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
I remember for the admission of exhibit did you see
no old jersey?
Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Consider you see as admitted?
Speaker 7 (01:46:17):
Do you old play.
Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
That does have some spots on it?
Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
It does.
Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Are you familiar with UH what bleach is? Yes? I
am with bleach.
Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
It's a liquid that we use to clean our our
clean various things.
Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
And do you know what it bleach does to an
item that has color to it? It will take up
with regard to.
Speaker 7 (01:46:42):
The tow.
Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
The UH is that consistent with bleach being added to
the Lower Jersey Girls's regulation.
Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
You may answer yes or no. Overall?
Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
What is that a T shirt?
Speaker 9 (01:47:02):
Do you know what size?
Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
It is?
Speaker 8 (01:47:03):
A market medium?
Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
And does it also have some spotty there?
Speaker 9 (01:47:07):
Yes? It does?
Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Okay, let's see what I.
Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
What are those a pair of shorts?
Speaker 9 (01:47:17):
Let's see what else do we have?
Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
What is that a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Let's start with one socks? You you have a blue
sock in your left hand? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (01:47:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
What color of sock?
Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
Is that? Mostly gray?
Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Does it have any spotty li it?
Speaker 6 (01:47:32):
Yes it does?
Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Is that a black sock?
Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
So it is you not another sock? And and no
it not also another sock?
Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
Yes it is?
Speaker 9 (01:47:44):
Are those all the articles in porn in?
Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
They're not?
Speaker 7 (01:47:49):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
What else is a pair of s of pants?
Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Are you familiar with the term sweat pants?
Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:47:55):
And would that be what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:47:57):
What's side?
Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
They are marked men's large?
Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Anything else?
Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
And what is that a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Or what's the size of that T shirt?
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
Large?
Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Probably have that height of back.
Speaker 11 (01:48:21):
Let's take a look at another exhibit. It's exhibit number twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
And if we take a look at first of all,
exhibit thirty seven, what is that or item thirty seven
not exhibit thirty seven?
Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
I apologize that is the memory card that was originally
in the washing machine and then was collected as item
thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
And it's what was the color of that memory card.
Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
From my recollection? It's blue, okay? And then we have
some numbers here forty and forty one. First of all,
this appliance to.
Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
The right is a what that's a dryer? And now
we have a close up Exhibit twenty one one of
those items as in relation to the dryer, correct.
Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Yes, And what is item forty forty is a piece
of duct tape that was found on the floor in
the wall.
Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
And Exhibit twenty two shows as a close up of that,
right yes. Exhibit twenty three is the sim card that
we've been talking about, right, yes, it is an Exhibit
twenty four is a close up of that, right yes. Now,
(01:49:35):
Exhibit twenty five are a bunch of items, right, yes,
it is, and they were in the dryer.
Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
Do you know what was in the betting items?
Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Do you have your the exhibit up there that will
tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
What was it? I haven't labeled as betting items.
Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Exhibit thirty six, yes, well, sorry, thirty twenty eight, I
apologize twenty eight through. Well, let's do it this way
twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty and twenty six.
(01:50:12):
Recognize that, yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Those are photographs of the items from inside the dryer
as well as a photograph of them inside the dryer,
and there are these two in acurate depictions of those
items back when the investigation was conducted.
Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
In June of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
I moved for the admission of exhibits.
Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Number Exhibits twenty six through thirty.
Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
That is a view of the contents of the dryer
and the items that we're going to be collected.
Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
As exhibit number twenty seven. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
That is an overall photograph of all of the contents
of forty of the of the dryer that we're going
to be collected as forty one laid out separated.
Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
And Exhibit twenty eight what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
A portion of the contents of the dryer?
Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Thirty I'm sorry, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Those are additional contents of the dryer.
Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
And finally number thirty what is that?
Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
That is also something removed from the dryer.
Speaker 7 (01:51:24):
Take a look at.
Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Exhibit number two twelve.
Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
You got sor.
Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
I recognize this.
Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
What is it?
Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
This is the.
Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
All the contents of the dryer as a collected as
item forty one. I believe most they believe it is not.
It's excuse me, it is item forty one.
Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Oh do you need more gloves to open it and
get into that? If we're going to put them out
of the bucks?
Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Additional gloves?
Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Please? Would you like me to cut this open entirely.
Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
Just enough sort of you can pull the iron top
and the stacks.
Speaker 9 (01:52:18):
What is that.
Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
A pillow cake?
Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Is it all right to lay them directly on the
desk as I pull them out? Or would you like
them put back in the back?
Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Can feel comfort a little bit? About a seed at
the chair? What about that?
Speaker 9 (01:52:32):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
And what is that a pillow cake?
Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
And that it's another pillow case?
Speaker 9 (01:52:45):
That is what a towel?
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
What are those a pair of pants?
Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Do they have a size on them?
Speaker 7 (01:52:57):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:52:57):
They do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
What size is that beside a lark?
Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Is that an additional pillowcase? Yeah, it's another pillowcase.
Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Hows is not the last sight of in there?
Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
No?
Speaker 9 (01:53:21):
It's not all right? What do what do it?
Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
That?
Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
This is a bed covering of some sort with buttons.
Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Okay, so hey, what else is in that instead?
Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Where is that a fitted sheet?
Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
Anything else?
Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
What is that a flat sheet?
Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
And that another pillar case?
Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
I think that's all looking you happen in the product?
Yes it is is not happening every.
Speaker 9 (01:54:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Let me show you exhibits thirty one through forty and
do you recommend that? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
I do?
Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
What do you happen?
Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
These are photographs of a portion of the downstairs of
the house, to include the laundry room, office, and downstairs bathroom,
as well as items inside those rooms.
Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
And there are these true and uther depictions of the
scene as it exists in back age. You then to outday.
Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Exhibits thirty one through forty six are admitted.
Speaker 11 (01:54:53):
Start with exhibit thirty one, and what are we looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
That is another view of the laundry room from the
vantage point of the doorway leading into the garage into
the corner.
Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
What is this door here? Is this door leading to
the garage or is that the door leading somewhere else?
Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
That door leads into the house further in.
Speaker 11 (01:55:21):
And exhibit thirty two, what is this That is.
Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
The view into the laundry room through that doorway? That
we've just discussed.
Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Where is the doorway leading to the garage in this photograph?
Speaker 4 (01:55:34):
If you were to enter through that doorway, it would
be to your right.
Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Okay, thirty three this area here? What is this back here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
That's the laundry room.
Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
And what's to the lap here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
Do you know there is a closet and a doorway
leading to an office space.
Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
And to the right here, what's there a bathroom? Do
you know what this item is here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
If you know, it looks like a punching.
Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Apart Exhibit thirty four. First of all, in the corner here,
what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
That's the doorway leading from the house into the laundry room.
Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
And what is right here.
Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
That is the entryway into the office space.
Speaker 11 (01:56:29):
Exhibit thirty five. First of all, we look what is
this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
The laundry room and here the office space.
Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Exhibit number thirty six. What is that?
Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
That's the view of the office space from the doorway.
Speaker 11 (01:56:55):
Exhibit thirty seven is what a print view.
Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
In the office space from a different corner of the room.
Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Exhibit number thirty eight. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
That is the desk in the office space, and there
are items marked with evidence placards in that photograph this
up here?
Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
What is that appear? Do you see that white item there?
Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
It's a closet door.
Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Item.
Speaker 11 (01:57:27):
I'm sorry, Exhibit thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
What do we see here?
Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
That is a photograph of the item that was collected
as item thirty five lb. And it's a check.
Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Exhibit number two twenty.
Speaker 8 (01:57:43):
Recognize it?
Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
This is the box including the check that was collected
as item.
Speaker 11 (01:57:50):
Third move for the admission of exhibit no objection.
Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Exhibit two twenty two admitted that first of all, what
is the date on it? Five five eight?
Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
And what's the amount of the check? Two hundred?
Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
And who's the person? What's the account? What's the name
holder on the account? Jody Arius?
Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
It does have an address? Can you read that address
or not?
Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
I can?
Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
Nine six three four East Nido Avenue and Ido Mesa,
Arizona eight five two zero nine dash two.
Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
Two four three?
Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
And the person that it's made out to, Travis Alexander.
Speaker 11 (01:58:45):
And what's the amount of the check?
Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
I think you are.
Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Two hundred and zero cents?
Speaker 9 (01:58:52):
And what is it for?
Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Can you see what that's for?
Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
The note section indicates car payments Dash April and May
two thousand and eight, and is it.
Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Signed yes or no?
Speaker 7 (01:59:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Exhibit number forty is what what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
That's an additional view of a different corner of the
office space from a.
Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
Different Exhibit forty one. What do we see here?
Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
That's the final corner of the office space, and you're
seeing the entry doorway from where the photographer's standing.
Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
If we were to take a right, where would we
be headed towards out of the door?
Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
Right, you'd be headed towards the living area and kitchen
if you went to the right. If we were to
go left, where would be we be going the laundry
or Exhibit number forty two is what that's a photograph
of the downstairs bathroom from the doorway.
Speaker 11 (01:59:52):
Is that straight across from that door that we just saw.
Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
Essentially straight across maybe a bit to the left and across.
Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
And Exhibit forty three.
Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
Shows us what another view of the inside of that
downstairs bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Exhibit forty four, what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
That is a labeled stain that was tested by a
biology unit and that.
Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Has number three by there right Yes, Exhibit U forty
five is what.
Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
That's a view of a stain, a reddish brown stain
inside of the sink in that downstairs bathroom that was
tested by the biology unit. And Exhibit forty six shows
us what that's a close up of the stain from
inside the sink of the downstairs bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
Is forty seven through.
Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Where are these are photographs of the remainder of the house,
the downstairs portion of the house, the staircase leading to
the loft upstairs, and the stairway itself right again for.
Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
The depictions of when you were out of the scene
back into the Yes, their work. For the admission of
the tip. It's forty seven, no objection are.
Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
It's forty seven through sixty one are admitted?
Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:01:35):
That's a view of the dining room, living room area
and the hallway that led down to the office based
launder room and downstairs bathroom in the far portion of
the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
That's that punching apparatus that was in near that hallway.
Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
Number forty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
That's a view of the front door from that dining
room living room area.
Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Where's the laundry room door?
Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
From here it would be to your to my left
where your pen is leading.
Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Yes, and I guess we'll ask about this. Forty eight.
What is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
A floor cleaner of some kind. Forty nine that's a
view of the entry room and the front door.
Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
And what are these items here?
Speaker 9 (02:02:33):
Do you know.
Speaker 4 (02:02:35):
There are metal grids of materials that are linked together
by those round pieces.
Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
Exhibit number fifty is what.
Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
You're seeing a view of the kitchen from the area
that had the couches near the dining area.
Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Okay, And what's this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
That's the stair staircase Exhibit fifty one.
Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Do we see that same staircase?
Speaker 9 (02:03:08):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
Is that right there? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:03:11):
It is, GiB.
Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
That's a view from the hallway that you would enter
from the front door, looking into the dining kitchen, living
area and the beginning of the staircase.
Speaker 3 (02:03:27):
And these things right here?
Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
What are the those metal grids similar to what was
shown in that entry area, But.
Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
Those are not aligned in any way right? In other words,
you're not put up no ghibbit. Fifty three, Now what
are we looking.
Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
At You're seeing a view down the hallway towards the
laundry room, office space, bathroom as well as a portion
of the staircase to show their relationship to each other.
Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
And this is the staircase right here, yes it is.
Exhibit shows us.
Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
What that is a view of the staircase and what
you see from the bottom of the stairs.
Speaker 3 (02:04:08):
Exhibit fifty five.
Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
Is what a view from about halfway up the stairs
slightly more.
Speaker 11 (02:04:16):
Perhaps Exhibit fifty six is.
Speaker 4 (02:04:24):
That is showing a small possible piece of fabric that
was collected as an item of evidence.
Speaker 11 (02:04:36):
Exhibit number fifty seven, that is what.
Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
That's a close up of that that item that was
identified as an item of evidence and collected later on.
Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
Now number fifty eight, what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
That is a view from a corner of the loft
that is at the top of the staircase. It's showing
the area where the staircase ends and the entry into
the master bedroom.
Speaker 11 (02:05:03):
And is this the master bedroom door? Exhibit number fifty.
Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
Nine, that is showing a black bag that was identified
as an item of evidence to be collected in the loft.
Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
Are you familiar with the Exhibit number two thirty one
is what is it?
Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
This is the item that I collected as item number
twenty four lb. It's the doorknob from the right door
of the master bedroom double doors. Okay, where the ambition
of Exhibit number two thirty one the objection.
Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
None of your honor at it and describe the locking
and unlocking ass of this door appliance.
Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
The unlocking mechanism is a key hole, right. The locking
mechanism is a flat piece that's turned.
Speaker 11 (02:06:32):
Which one was on the inside and which one was
on the outside of that door.
Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
The inside was the locking mechanism which has the flat
piece that turns, and the exterior doorknob wherest the one
that has the unlocking key mechanism on it.
Speaker 3 (02:06:47):
So, in order to get into that room if it
had been locked from the inside, would a person need
a key? Yes? And in order to lock it if
you were inside, would a person need a key or
would they just need to burn an or that item?
Speaker 4 (02:07:02):
Never, a key would not be necessary.
Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
So does that mean that the person could just turn
the little knob there or bob or whatever they close
it from the inside and lock it. Yes, Exhibit two
thirty one. The item that we're looking here at here
(02:07:28):
is that the inside or the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:07:30):
It was the interior doorknomb And you were.
Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Talking about turning this is what you would turned correct,
yes to lock it? And this portion of it right
here is that the inside or the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
That was the exterior side of the doorknob, and that's.
Speaker 11 (02:07:44):
The one that would require the key, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (02:07:49):
Exhibit number sixty is what what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
That is a closer view of that lack bag from
the loft that was collected as item thirty one LB.
Speaker 11 (02:08:00):
And Exhibit sixty one.
Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:08:08):
That's a view of the contents of that black bag.
Speaker 3 (02:08:12):
Take a look at Exhibits two thirteen. Do you recognize it?
Speaker 4 (02:08:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:08:24):
I do?
Speaker 7 (02:08:25):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
This is the black camera bag that was collected as
item thirty one lb.
Speaker 6 (02:08:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Two thirteen is admitted.
Speaker 11 (02:08:38):
You want gloves or this or not?
Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
I prefer gloves.
Speaker 3 (02:08:41):
Yes, get a fourth Hey, I don't put an out.
Speaker 7 (02:08:50):
I would have to strap.
Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
A lens attachment of.
Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
That appears to be everything hard. Let's take a look
at it Exhibits sixty two through seventy two. You recognize those? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:09:19):
I do?
Speaker 7 (02:09:20):
What are they?
Speaker 4 (02:09:21):
The su These are photographs of the entry uh into
the master bedroom, the master bedroom itself, the master bedroom closet,
and a portion of the bathroom. In the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Number sixty two. Do you remember Seventh.
Speaker 2 (02:09:42):
Council exhibits sixty three, sixty four and sixty eight have
already been.
Speaker 9 (02:09:46):
No objection to.
Speaker 12 (02:09:49):
Those those photos previously not admitted being admitted.
Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Alright, sixty two through seventy two will be admitted.
Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
Look at that and what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
That is the view into the master bedroom from the doorway.
Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
And we've taken a look at the lock or the
door handle, haven't way before? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:10:15):
We have.
Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
Exhibit number.
Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
Sixty five shows us what a view of the bedroom,
the master bedroom, and specifically what the bed and one
of the sides of the bedroom in this one, we
see that the bedding, if you will, is crumpled up
on the bed.
Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
Do you see that?
Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:10:38):
Is that the way the bed was found when you
were there?
Speaker 4 (02:10:43):
That was how it appeared when I was there.
Speaker 11 (02:10:44):
Yet sixty six shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:10:49):
That's another view of the bed from the opposite side,
and more of the bedroom itself.
Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
That is a doorway leading one one of the doorways
in the master bedroom closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
So where does it lead to?
Speaker 4 (02:11:05):
Is there more than two doors from the bedroom going
into the bedroom closet. No, that's the doorway from the
bedroom to the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
All right. Exhibit sixty seven. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:11:19):
That is a view from inside the master bedroom of
that doorway from the bedroom to the closet, the entryway
to the hallway that leads down to the bathroom, and
the door into the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (02:11:33):
Exhibit sixty nine shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:11:37):
That is a view of the interior of the master
bedroom closet from that doorway from the bedroom into the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:45):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:11:48):
That is a doorway leading from the master bedroom closet
into the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
While you were there, did you notice whether or not
there was any blood in this area here in the
master bedroom.
Speaker 4 (02:12:01):
I did not see any blood in that area or
red staining.
Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
And if it had been there and marked, would you
have photographed it?
Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
What was the protection?
Speaker 3 (02:12:10):
It's outside your scope?
Speaker 13 (02:12:12):
Overload, you may answer.
Speaker 4 (02:12:14):
Can you please repeat the.
Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
Qu if there was a stain that was marked there,
would you have to photographed it? Yes? And were you
the person I actually actually look for these stains or not?
I was not, okay, But you would have photographed anything
that was marked there? Correct?
Speaker 9 (02:12:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:12:32):
Number seventy What do we see here.
Speaker 4 (02:12:38):
That's a deeper view into the closet from that same
vantage point, showing some of the contents. And this right
here that is the doorway leading into the master bathroom
from the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
And if we look down here, what is this area here.
Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
Carpeting inside the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
Okay, in this right here.
Speaker 4 (02:13:01):
That's tile in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
Exhibit seventy one. If we start at the top, what
are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
That is a view into the master bathroom from the
doorway in the closet leading into the bathroom. And this
right here is what carpeting and right here tile.
Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
And then if we go back here, what is this
area here.
Speaker 4 (02:13:27):
The vanity and sinks from within the master bathroom. And
this right here, what is that a door for a
linen closet inside the master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:13:37):
And this hallway that we've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
Take a look at Exhibit number sixty seven told us
about this hallway. Here we take a look at the
exhibit number seventy one. Where would the hallway be in
relationship to this door Sake, it's.
Speaker 9 (02:14:02):
To the right.
Speaker 3 (02:14:03):
So when we write down this way, that's correct. Exhibit
seventy two starting here? What is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:14:13):
That is the door and doorway that is leading to
the bedroom closet.
Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
And this right here is what a portion of that halloway.
Speaker 4 (02:14:22):
We've discussed that what I didn't hear you? I think
the hallway that we've discussed. And this right here is
what the door for the linen closet that's in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
Where does this hallway lead.
Speaker 4 (02:14:36):
To the master bedroom?
Speaker 3 (02:14:38):
And if we take a look at exhibit number sixty seven,
is this what you're talking about the hallway that.
Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
We just discussed, Yes, it is. And this right here
is the bathtub and the bathroom. And right here that's
the shower, and this that's the victim inside of the shower.
Speaker 3 (02:15:07):
And this greenish bluish I believe it's a road.
Speaker 8 (02:15:16):
Through eighty eighty two, eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Where are they?
Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
These are photographs of the victim, additional photographs of the
bathroom and some items from inside the bathroom.
Speaker 7 (02:15:45):
And again, were they.
Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
As they existed back in June of two thousand and eight, Yes,
move for the admission of exhibit seventy seventh through.
Speaker 7 (02:15:57):
Eight eighty two.
Speaker 3 (02:16:03):
Through eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Objections Exhibits seventy seven through eighty seven are in'ted.
Speaker 11 (02:16:15):
Exhibit number seventy six.
Speaker 3 (02:16:19):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:16:21):
That's a photograph of the victim inside of the shower
and a plastic cup that was found in the shower
with the victim.
Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
Take a look at Exhibit two thirty.
Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
Recognize it?
Speaker 3 (02:16:39):
Yes, I do?
Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
What is it? This is that plastic cup from inside
the shower.
Speaker 3 (02:16:44):
It looks kind of black or dark? Is that mold
or what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:16:48):
This item was processed in the laboratory for Lady Prince, and.
Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
You indicated that there was a couple of processes that
could be used, one of them being powder and the
other one with a lucal crystal wat.
Speaker 7 (02:17:02):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:17:03):
Those were types of processing that we do in a scene, right, yes,
but in this one how it would use Right? This
item was brought back to the laboratory and was processed
with a variety of different things. Right, and where any
results are taken, I mean refers to my report. No,
(02:17:26):
no latent prints were developed on the plastic cut.
Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
One of the things that you told us was that
there were environmental factors that would affect whether or not
and not an individual leads or latent fingerprint. Do you
remember we discussed that earlier?
Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
With regard to water, if water is run on an item,
is will that affect the ability to later obtain a
latent fingerprint? It can?
Speaker 9 (02:17:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:17:46):
Why in some cases, if water is run over a surface,
it may obscure that latent impression that was left behind.
It could wash away the residue or something of that nature.
Speaker 3 (02:18:00):
And how about if the person is turning with the
cup as they're doing whatever it is they're doing with.
Speaker 4 (02:18:05):
It, with that also fact whether or not they might
leave behind a usable latent fingerprint. How an item is
handled will always affect how whether or not a laighton
print is left behind or not.
Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
I'm moved for the admission of an objection is admitted.
Speaker 11 (02:18:29):
Exhibit number seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (02:18:33):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (02:18:36):
It's a lower view of the victim inside of the
shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:18:40):
And what is this right here? Is that the wall?
Speaker 7 (02:18:44):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
Is what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
Yes, it's the wall of the shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:18:48):
And is his this is his right foot correct?
Speaker 5 (02:18:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:18:54):
It is Is that touching that wall? Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:18:56):
It is.
Speaker 11 (02:18:57):
How about the left knee is that also touching the wall?
Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
Yes? And if we look over here to the right.
What portion of its anatomy is that his right knee?
Is that touching the wall?
Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
Also, it looks like it is. I don't know specifically
if it is or not.
Speaker 3 (02:19:14):
If we go back to Exhibit number seventy six, his head, correct, Yes,
it is. Is that up against the portion of the
shower there? Yes, Now, Exhibits seventy eight, we're starting to
see first of all, the victim's body here.
Speaker 4 (02:19:32):
Correct, That is the victim inside the shower stall.
Speaker 9 (02:19:35):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:19:36):
And two, three and four what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:19:39):
Those were some hair and fiber like materials that were
found around the shower stall that were designated to be
collected as items of evidence.
Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
And Exhibit number seventy nine we're also looking at this
area here right.
Speaker 4 (02:19:55):
Two is actually just indicating the hairs that you see
here on the floor, right. But you can see the
red staining in this photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:20:04):
And this is what is this the trim right here?
Speaker 4 (02:20:07):
Baseboard trim of some kind yess.
Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
And there's also some staining up here, correct, Yes, And
there's also staining here.
Speaker 7 (02:20:13):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (02:20:16):
Exhibit number eighty is.
Speaker 4 (02:20:21):
What that's a fiber like material that was found on
the floor in the bathroom that was collected as item
number three.
Speaker 11 (02:20:29):
LB and exhibit number eighty two.
Speaker 4 (02:20:34):
We're now looking at what you can see a small
portion of the shower stall with the victim inside the
bathtub and a doorway leading into what I called the
toilet room. The toilet's contained in that room. There's a
door and then a portion of the bathroom to the
right side of the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:20:52):
What's this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:20:54):
It's a towel.
Speaker 3 (02:20:55):
Take a look at that exhibit number two twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:21:04):
Yes, I recognize it.
Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
This is that same towel from the master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:21:09):
Where is there one or two towels there?
Speaker 4 (02:21:13):
I believe there's only one.
Speaker 11 (02:21:14):
When you say you believe it means you're not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Why don't you go ahead and hope it and take
a look at it and make sure?
Speaker 4 (02:21:18):
Okay, single towel.
Speaker 3 (02:21:27):
Why don't you hold it? What's the exhibit number other place?
Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
That's the green tag.
Speaker 11 (02:21:34):
Two two eight I moved for the admission of exhibit.
Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
Twenty eight to twenty eight is admitted.
Speaker 9 (02:21:40):
What did you.
Speaker 3 (02:21:43):
Take a look at the label? See or a sad one?
Speaker 4 (02:21:48):
It says bianca bia nca concept by Mundo textile m
U N D O T E X T I L
all one word.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Good.
Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
This is the how that you previously looved.
Speaker 7 (02:22:19):
That it is from.
Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
Exhibit number two sixteen, from the wahhirt. Do you remember
talking about that? Yes?
Speaker 7 (02:22:28):
I do.
Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
Why don't you reach a label? All this pot.
Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
Flabeled THEONPA concept buying Mundo tex style.
Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
Do the l at least the labels are they from?
Do the labels branch? How about that?
Speaker 7 (02:22:43):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:22:43):
They do?
Speaker 13 (02:22:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
And if we call these two up, I'll hold this
one here and you hold the other one up. They
seem to be a little bit different in shapes. Correct,
Yes they do. And also one is spotted and what
is not right? That's correct. Exhibit eighty three shows us,
(02:23:09):
first of all, what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:23:11):
That's the victim inside of the shower stall. And this
is the bathroom. And this right here some staining or
some material that was seen on the wall by the
shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:23:25):
Exhibit number eighty four.
Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
We're looking at what that is a view of the
bathtub inside the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:23:32):
And this room was what again I called.
Speaker 4 (02:23:35):
It the toilet room. It's the room that contained the
toilet in the bathroom. And what is this right here
that is red staining reddish brown staining that was seen
on the wall or doorge jam.
Speaker 3 (02:23:45):
I may have to show you the photograph because of
the glare on this one. You know what this is
down here?
Speaker 11 (02:23:52):
If you want, I'll bring the photograph up there.
Speaker 4 (02:23:53):
That's a bath mat.
Speaker 3 (02:23:55):
Okay, This right here, that's the bath mat, right yes,
number eighty five. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:24:10):
That's another view of the same bath mat that we discussed.
Speaker 3 (02:24:13):
And this right here on the left, what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:24:15):
That is the door jam of the entry into the
toilet room with the red staining that we saw on
the previous photograph. And this right here is what's more staining.
Speaker 3 (02:24:25):
And down here on the ground is more.
Speaker 4 (02:24:28):
Reddish brown substance. And this right here it's also a
reddish brown stain on the mat, correct, correct? And this
right here is what right there additional staining. The towels
that we looked at are where are they in relationship
to this staining? Right here where I'm pointing to the
(02:24:48):
towel that is in front of me is directly above,
maybe slightly further back from that. It's hanging from that wall.
Speaker 7 (02:24:56):
In the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:25:00):
Exhibit eighty six. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:25:09):
That's a view of some of the staining on the
walls and tile floor of the master bathroom, showing the
entry into the toilet room. And you can see more
of the bathroom itself. And this up here, that's this
towel here.
Speaker 3 (02:25:24):
Exhibit eighty seven is what that's a more mid range
close up view of the reddish.
Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
Staining that's on the door jam and some of the
floor leading into the toilet room.
Speaker 3 (02:25:35):
You see that right back there?
Speaker 4 (02:25:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:25:38):
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:25:38):
What is that more reddish brown staining that was on
the bottom bottom pedestal of the toilet.
Speaker 9 (02:25:45):
Okay, we're sure.
Speaker 3 (02:25:46):
You've exhibits eight through one. Please take a look at those.
(02:26:09):
Do you recognize what's in what's in these photographs?
Speaker 1 (02:26:11):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:26:11):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:26:12):
What what do they show?
Speaker 4 (02:26:14):
Those are photographs of the master bathroom, including staining, shows
the sink area, and the interior of the linen closet
that's also in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:26:24):
Are they true and avert depictions of the scene when
you were worked on it back in June of two
thousand and eight? Yes, they are.
Speaker 2 (02:26:31):
Eight Exhibit's eighty eight through one sixteen or admitted.
Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
Start with eighty eight, and we are looking at what
here that's a view of the toilet inside of the room,
the toilet.
Speaker 3 (02:26:49):
Room eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (02:26:54):
We're looking at what now that's showing the reddish staining
that's on the pedestal that toilet and that would be
right there, Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 11 (02:27:05):
Number ninety is what.
Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
A closer view of those stains?
Speaker 3 (02:27:12):
And these are at right here? Correct?
Speaker 4 (02:27:14):
Yes they are.
Speaker 11 (02:27:17):
Ninety one is.
Speaker 3 (02:27:21):
What is this here?
Speaker 4 (02:27:23):
This is showing staining on both the tile floor and
the wall. You can see the entry to the toilet
room on the left side of the photograph, and that's
the wall that would be along the side of the
toilet room that we've seen another photographs.
Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
And this is Is this the wall where the towel is? Yes,
and this is the staining that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Yes, that's correct. And is this also a stain here
on the left, Yes, it is ninety two. If we
go to the upper right, what do we see up here?
That's this towel and which point.
Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
Ninety three is what?
Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
That is a view of one of the corners of
the bathroom from around the area where the shower stall
would be. From that direction to the corner of the
bathroom and what is this right here the sinks within
the bathroom?
Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
Ninety four shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:28:21):
Some of the floor in that master bathroom, the walls,
the reddish staining, and two scales that were inside that bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
Ninety five.
Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
That is a mid range photograph of one of the
scales with placard number fifteen because that item was collected
as fifteen lb.
Speaker 3 (02:28:37):
By me.
Speaker 11 (02:28:40):
And number ninety six.
Speaker 4 (02:28:45):
That depicts the scale and also what was beyond the
vanity in the bathroom containing the sinks. So you can
see a trash can and some staining near that scale.
Speaker 3 (02:28:57):
And is this staining here too or not?
Speaker 4 (02:29:00):
I don't recall.
Speaker 11 (02:29:03):
Ninety seven is what.
Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
That is a view of the vanity and sinks in
the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:29:11):
And you found this this was open when you were there, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:29:16):
To the best of my recollection.
Speaker 9 (02:29:17):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:29:20):
Ninety eight. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:29:23):
That is spreadish brown staining and reddish brown substance that
was inside and on top of the sink in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:29:39):
Ninety nine is what what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
That's another view of the right side sink in the
master bathroom with staining. There's also scales in the photograph
that were placed in order to do additional documentation photographs
of that staining within the mirror sink area.
Speaker 3 (02:30:02):
And one hundred is what.
Speaker 4 (02:30:06):
Another view of the same staining with the scales for reference,
and it also shows us the edge here, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (02:30:14):
Yes? It does, and it does have right does it
have red staining on it? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:30:18):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:30:19):
There is something here on the upper lap.
Speaker 9 (02:30:21):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:30:22):
That is a letter marker D to indicate which area
was photographed.
Speaker 11 (02:30:34):
And Exhibit one oh one shows as what.
Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
A closer view of the staining that would be within
that D area or Quadra one two. That's an overhead
view of the sink on the right side and the
staining within on top of the sink and countertop.
Speaker 11 (02:30:53):
This looks like a wipe pattern. Are you familiar with
like wiping or not?
Speaker 4 (02:30:58):
I don't do blood scatter, okay? Interpretation one O three
shows us what now a closer view of some of
the staining on the sink.
Speaker 3 (02:31:10):
That's actually inside the sink with the outlet valve there.
Speaker 4 (02:31:14):
Right, that's correct, It was both inside the sink and
on top of the.
Speaker 3 (02:31:20):
One oh four. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:31:24):
That's another overhead view of the staining on the sink
and the vanity top with some scales and letter and
number designators.
Speaker 3 (02:31:34):
This bottle that's here, Do you see whether or not
it has any staining on it? Can you tell?
Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
I see standing around it. I'm not sure if there's any.
Speaker 9 (02:31:43):
On the bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:31:44):
Take a look at the exhibit.
Speaker 4 (02:31:46):
It appears that they're standing on the bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:31:48):
Yes, Bob was not knocked over right, No, it's not.
And one O five we're looking at these patterns, whatever
they may be, on a different portion of the sink, right, Yes,
(02:32:10):
in terms of coloring, these on the left look a
lot darker than the ones on the right. Correct, Yes,
they do. One O six Now it's over more to
the right, and we see that that's staining there, correct, ye?
(02:32:32):
One O seven is what?
Speaker 4 (02:32:35):
That's a photograph of the staining on the sink from
a different viewpoint, shows the edge of the sink and
some of the spatter inside of the sink running down
right here.
Speaker 3 (02:32:51):
Went awight?
Speaker 4 (02:32:52):
Is that is a photograph of the staining that I
designated D one. That area was slobbed and collected as
a sample.
Speaker 3 (02:33:11):
And one on nine what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:33:15):
That is the linen closet or closet that's in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:33:20):
And this right here, see this right here.
Speaker 4 (02:33:24):
That's red staining substance that's on the tile in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:33:29):
I want you to look at this box and there
you go. Can you see that box there? Yes? I can.
Do you see this right here on the bottom of
that box? Yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (02:33:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:33:40):
We can look at it, but you were there? Can
you describe it any better than what our eyes are
looking at?
Speaker 4 (02:33:46):
It was a light gradient of red staining running up
the box. What appeared to be running up the box.
Speaker 3 (02:33:53):
And in front of it, is this red larger stain?
Speaker 9 (02:33:58):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (02:33:58):
And where these also stay here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:01):
Yes they are?
Speaker 3 (02:34:05):
And why I have this this, of course, is what's
this white thing here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
That's the door to that closet in the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
You know what this is right here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:17):
Yes I do.
Speaker 3 (02:34:19):
I'm gonna bring it in a little bit. What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:34:24):
That is a cartridge casing that was found on the
floor in the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:34:28):
And did you seize that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:34:30):
I did.
Speaker 3 (02:34:33):
We're you going to take a look at that exhibit.
Speaker 7 (02:34:54):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:34:55):
That's the cartridge casing that I collected as.
Speaker 11 (02:34:56):
Number one lb for the admission of Exhibit number two eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
Objection two sixteen eighteen is admitted packaged.
Speaker 3 (02:35:06):
Did you notice the caliber of it right down? The
caliber of it or not?
Speaker 4 (02:35:10):
I documented what was written on the head stamp of
the cartridge casing. Yes, and what was written on the
head stamp of this cartridge casing WI N twenty five auto.
Speaker 3 (02:35:22):
Do you know what WIN stands for? It may not
be your area, it's not my area. Do you know
what the twenty five stands for?
Speaker 4 (02:35:29):
I believe it's the caliber, but I don't work.
Speaker 3 (02:35:31):
Its Okay, let's look a little bit at a wider
view of this. That's the casing. And then we've looked
at this area. Here, pan out a little bit more
and what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:35:55):
That's the cartridge casing and this up here is the
right side sinking.
Speaker 3 (02:36:05):
Exhibit number one ten shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:36:09):
That's a closer view of the cartridge casing on the
bathroom floor.
Speaker 3 (02:36:13):
And it also shows us that there's what you see
this right up here.
Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
There's red staining and red substance all over the floor
as well.
Speaker 11 (02:36:23):
And Exhibit one eleven shows us.
Speaker 4 (02:36:26):
A closer view of the cartridge casing and this right here.
Speaker 11 (02:36:30):
Is just some red staining.
Speaker 3 (02:36:31):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:36:33):
It may be stating the obvious, but I'm going to
ask you to the naked eye, your eye and you
were there.
Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
Is there any staining on the top of this casing
that's in this red stain? Not that I see.
Speaker 4 (02:36:58):
See that it's a little blurry, but I still don't
stand any red staining on.
Speaker 3 (02:37:03):
The top Exhibit number one twelve, Now what are we
looking at here? Starting with this corner here, what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
That's the sink or a portion of the sink pedestal.
And this down here is that's the cartridge casing and
it's photographed with evidence placard number one.
Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
And up here that's a towel.
Speaker 4 (02:37:27):
And down here that's the hallway that leads from the
master bedroom to the master bathroom or vice versa. And
right here that is the doorway leading from the bathroom
into the closet.
Speaker 11 (02:37:39):
Exhibit one thirteen is the staining and.
Speaker 4 (02:37:44):
What a view a mid range view of item number
one LB with a placard one and it shows some
staining there also it does.
Speaker 11 (02:37:54):
One fourteen is the.
Speaker 3 (02:37:57):
Placard and a close up of the case. Correct, yes,
it is. Exhibit number one shows us the box right correct,
and then it shows us the items in the closet.
Number eleven. What is number eleven?
Speaker 4 (02:38:18):
It's a USB thumb drive that was a target's brand
that was collected from inside that closet. A what now
am the USB storage device?
Speaker 3 (02:38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:38:28):
Thumb drive.
Speaker 3 (02:38:30):
That was number What number was that?
Speaker 4 (02:38:32):
That was eleven?
Speaker 3 (02:38:33):
And what was number ten?
Speaker 4 (02:38:34):
Then it's a prepaid legal services business card?
Speaker 3 (02:38:39):
Okay? And now one sixteen? What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:38:46):
That is red substance staining. That's on the floor in
the master bathroom and hallway to the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
And now are we headed into the master bathroom and bedroom.
Speaker 4 (02:38:58):
Now you're heading down the hallway towards the master bedroom
in that to the rights.
Speaker 3 (02:39:03):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39:07):
Wanting to take the weekend recess, can we step down?
Please return January eighth at ten thirty. All right, ladies
and gentlemen, there will be no trial Tomorrow Friday, no
trial Monday the seventh. You should also return on Tuesday,
January eighth, at ten thirty. I know every day I
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ask you to follow the admonition. Page thirteen of your
preliminary instructions contains that admonition since.
Speaker 1 (02:39:38):
We are about to recess for the weekend. I want
to remind you of your obligations.
Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
It is your duty not to speak with or permit
yourselves to be addressed by any person on any subject.
Speaker 1 (02:39:50):
Connected with this trial.
Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
If someone should try to talk to you about the case,
stop him or her or walk away. If you should
overhear others talking about the case, stop them or walk away.
If anything like this does happen, report it to me
or any member of my staff as soon as you can.
You may not discuss the evidence among yourselves until you
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retire to deliberate on your verdict. Do not form any
final opinions about any fact or about the outcome of
the case until you have heard and considered all of
the evidence, the closing arguments, and the rest of the
instructions I will give you on the lot.
Speaker 1 (02:40:29):
Keep an open mind during the trial.
Speaker 2 (02:40:31):
Form your final opinions only after you have had an
opportunity to discuss the case with each other in the
jury room at the end of the trial. All right,
one more time, has anyone had any exposure to the
media regarding this case?
Speaker 13 (02:40:45):
Anyone at all?
Speaker 2 (02:40:48):
I see no hands. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Thank
you very much. We will see you on Tuesday ten
thirty am.
Speaker 13 (02:40:54):
Have a nice weekendstats USU
The jury, they defend Andy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In all council, the state may call its next witness.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
This step spell your first.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
And listening.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
You do saw miss where the testimony you're about to
about to be able to be the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 6 (00:21):
So help you goud.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
Your name sir, My name is step On Floortis. What
do you working for the city makes a police apartment?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What do you do for?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I'm currently assigned to the homicide unit as a detective.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Draw your attention back to Joe up two thousand and a.
Where were you assigned?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I was assigning homicide.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And did you have a casion? Did you have occasion
when you were assigned? Did the unit to.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Investigate the killing of somebody by the name of Travis Alexander?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I did.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
With regard to that, what was what were your duties
or what were you assigned to do?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I was assigned as the lead case agent for this
particular case agent.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What are you required to do?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Respond to the scene, investigate the actual crime scene, talk
to witnesses, and basically try to solve the crime.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
When were you first called out to the home?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Was called out on the ninth just a little after
ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And did the investigation begin then or did it sort
of get started the next day?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It got started the next day?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Why is that? Why did you do that? In that well?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
At that point we began talking to some witnesses who
were at the scene, but we needed to get a
search warrant to get into the house before we began
the initial scene investigation, and that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Search ward wasn't available until the next day.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And the next day while you were at or that night,
while you were at the scene, were you notified that
somebody wanted to talk to you?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And who was the person that we wanted to talk
to you that night that night?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Was Jody Arius?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And was it a telephone call that she made?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Did you take the call that night of June ninth,
two thousand and eight, No, I did not. How about
the next day, did you when you were out? What
happened the next day? Did you go to the scene?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I was at the scene.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
About what time did you get there? Actually?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I was still there from the night before.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And during that day the tenth now correct?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yes, did you receive any indication that Jody Arius wanted
to talk to you?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yes, I received a phone call from a fellow officer
stating that a female by the name of Jody Arius
wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And did she leave a telephone number?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yes, she did, so.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is the second attempt that has been made. Correct. Yes,
About what time were you notified of this second attempt
by the defendant?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It was an the morning before ten o'clock or so.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Did you then return that call?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yes? I did.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And about what time.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Right around that same time?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And prior to speaking to this individual, Well.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Let's do this one.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Whenever you're talking about this is do you always mirandize
them or not?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With regard to this telephone call with her, did you
mirandize her?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
She wasn't in custody, So miranda warnings are only required
when somebody's in custody.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Correct. Yes, So this telephone call that you have with her,
was it something that you tape recorded or not?
Speaker 9 (03:38):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I did tape recorded.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
And during this telephone call, was there a discussion about
whether or not Travis Alexander had a gun?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Yes, I'm going to show.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You Exhibit number two seventy three. Did you listen to.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
This before you came to court to it, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And is this the portion of the recording that you
have as you can involving whether or not tracks out
dam or kind of got yes, that's why I heard.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
All right, Well, can I call you again if I
need more information or if I have another question?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Okay, do you have any questions?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I can answer for you.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
Yeah. Do you know when all this happened? I mean
I got a call last night, but if there any
word on.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Sometime between Thursday and uh last night. But we're not
sure yet. We have a different point.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
And you said that maybe we'll to people because he's
a good guy. It was I maybe you can't talk
about this, but was there was there like any kind
of weapons store or was there was was there a gun?
Speaker 7 (04:58):
Was there? I can't say what type of of weapon
would us, but I'm guessing there was a weapon us
by the type of injuries that were left behind. Do
you know of him having any weapons at all in
the house?
Speaker 9 (05:12):
His two fists.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Guy, no handguns or rifles or you.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Know, he wasn't wanting to keep into that that I
wanted or anything like that. Now. He was more into
like wrestling in UFC and he had you know, he
said he had just bout a punching bag, and he's like,
I love to crop out of the punching bags. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That's unfortunate a conversation. Correct, Yes, this did the conversation
also deal with their relationship, with their dating life and
that sort of thing. Yes, it did show you Exhibit
number two seventy two and this and that. There's also
another question. Does that deal with that portion of your
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conversation with her?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And this is the initiate one of the conversation, right, Yes,
that's correct. Remember the adition of exib in two seventy two.
There's something to continue to do if you have to
be contain.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Asked, but I don't know what excerpts is that council
a props Martinez.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The state has provided the entirety of this opta, according
to the defendant, and has done and did so approximately
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Exhibit to seventy two.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is it meant.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Hand?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Wait?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
Fourteen thirty five hours.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Interview with Jody Area zero color ill on a love
joy because Jody, Hey, Jody's the text of steep floors
may serve on plar. Oh hey, how are you good?
I just got a message from one of my patrol
officers that he needed to talk to me about something.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
Well, I just wanted to offering assistance that I might have.
I was a really good friend of travisiness type of
you know. I know that I don't know a lot
of anything, But what what have you heard so far?
I heard that he was that he passed away, and
that it was I don't know. I've heard all kinds
of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.
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I heard that his roommate fround him or his friends
bast or people were I'm sorry, so I'm I'm upset.
But I've heard that nobody's been able to get a
hold of him for almost a week, which and that
was about the last time I spoke to him, too,
which is actually why I thought. I My friend said
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I should call you anyway and let you know the
last time.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
I talked to him. Yeah, I mean, any help would
you can get from anybody who would any kind of
con back?
Speaker 9 (08:00):
Dam I I used to talk to him quite regularly.
I used to live there. I live in northern California now,
but after I moved. I moved a few months ago,
and after I moved, we kept in touch very regularly.
And kind of fell back a little bit, and that
it got down to about a couple times a week.
But I hadn't heard from him. I talked to him
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on Tuesday night. I looked at my phone records on
the internet at the Tech and I definitely talked to
him Tuesday night.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Okay, so it was it was that your cell phoner?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Yeah, that was myself phone. I half.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Is this is this a number that I called?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Okay, so that was Tuesday night. Do you remember about
what time?
Speaker 9 (08:50):
I think it was. I want to say like a
quarter after nine, but I think he too. It was
sometime between eight and ten that I know. It wasn't
his latest hollowly between eight thirty.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
And what did you guys talk about?
Speaker 9 (09:05):
It was brief he I was I was driving out
to Utah and you know, he was like, are you
gonna come out and see me? And I'm like no,
And you know, he was supposed to make a trip
up here at the end of the month because he
we seeing that we are doing. It's called there's a
book called The Thousand Place Before You Die, and it's
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been featured on the Travel Channel and all that, and
we sort of got into that last year where we
were starting to see all these different places on the list,
and we thought, you know, thousands, like this is a
lot of places, but why not that would be fun goals.
So we just kind of have that goal. And one
of the is the Oregon Coasts and Miss Experience Festival,
and so he was going to come up here for
that and then we're just going to go see that
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in Crater Lake and just different landmarks and what was
that trip?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Overing schedules?
Speaker 7 (09:53):
It was just something you guys talked about.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It was it was, it was.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
It wasn't officially like Dayton, but I I can.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Trying to reach out so that I could flify my
own schedule because I was planning on making a trip
down there, but uh, it was supposed to happen in May,
and then supposed to happen last week and that didn't
work out. So he was going away to Cancoon today
and and then he said as soon as he gets
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back from Cantoon, he was a trip because he's going
to drive up the coast and when he reaches me,
we'll go do some things and then he'll continue on
to Washington and see some friends up there. And then
I guess that was supposed to happen before the beginning
of July. July, he was supposed to go.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
To Washington CC.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
Okay, did did he have any issues with anybody here
until anybody.
Speaker 9 (10:45):
That wanted to do a har you know, got his
tires last it was last year he was He said
he was worried about that, and I was worried about that.
He never lost his doors, and I told I would
tell him, lock your doors, and like, they're not my mom,
you know, And I come from he comes from a
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bad city. I think he comes from Ruby du California,
which is dang in silence. But and I come from
a similar type of neighborhood in California. So I've always
my parents and we've always locked our doors. And it's
just my habit that he doesn't have that habit. And
you live in a great neighborhood. And it's never been
an issue. And that thing has ever been stolen, that
thing has been he's never been broken into. And he
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had his tire splash. I don't remember when it was.
It was last year, sometime around Christmas, I think.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
You know, other than that, no, how would you describe
your relationship with him?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
We dated for.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
We dated for like five months and we broke up,
and we thinken you actually just see each other for
quite a bit, you know, right until I moved.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
When did you get break up?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
We officially broke up June twenty ninth of last year,
but we didn't we even though we broke up and
we're no longer boyfriend and girlfriend, we decided to remain friends.
But you know, I kind of feel embarrassed talking about this,
but it was more like it was more.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Expressed that it wasn't a boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
It was more like kind of funny, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Okay, you guys were not like romantically together at any time,
or we were intimate, but I wouldn't say romantic as
far as the relationship goes.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
But we were in no way headed toward marriage. We're
talking anything about that. We how probably.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Sometimes that you say intimate, does there include like a
sexual relationship with him?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:51):
It does.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
Okay, I know it's kind of embarrassing, I know, and
you don't know.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
Yeah, And if you could just keep it confidential for now,
because I know that he's born not seriously looked down
upon him in our church, And I mean, I just
been telling you this to help in any way I can, ok,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
So you actually moved back to California a couple of
months ago?
Speaker 9 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I did?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Okay, what day was that?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Do you remember? I don't remember the exact date. I
mean I had the date form into the U hall.
It was early April, early like before April tenth, so
after the first before we hand. So I'm getting seven
eight nights. Maybe I'd have to check the dates.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Did did you stop by the house when you rent
the new hall? Say good bye the house?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Yeah, back, I'm back down. After I was I was
almost moved out, completely out of my house for about
a week afterward, and I just stayed in his house
the whole time. I mean I practically lived there. Even
when I was there, I spent I spent the night
there several times a week while I lived there. I
came over and I clean house a lot, sort of
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take me a little bit every month. His house nice
include sort of like a housekeepers.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Did you ever happen to meet any of his roommates
at that time?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
I knew his group really well at the time. Various
roommates one of moved out, one guy moved to Utah,
and one I moved to Phoenix. Zach is the I
don't know if Zak is still there. I think he is.
I knew Zach because I met him, and you know,
we we sort of connected because he's a photographer like
I haven't. You know he took the room that Aaron
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was in previously. He's yeah, what do you what do
you think about that?
Speaker 7 (14:43):
What do you think his relationship is with her explot friend?
Speaker 9 (14:48):
He seems like a nice guy. When I first met him,
he seemed just like a normal guy. The returned missionaries
from and he served. Okay it, I didn't leave you.
He served his mission, I don't. I think in Arizona
and you liked it so much. He was back. Knew
Travis from church, so you know, yeah, him and his
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girlfriend were there there. I think there was some alcohol
there at one time, and Travis was suspicious about it,
but he said he used it for cooking. You know
that's fine because you know, Mormons don't drink alcohol. But
also yeah, they're not supposed to. And Travis, you know,
that's another thing. When it came to that, we call
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it the word of wisdom. No alcohol, tobacco, drugs or
coffee or tea, and he was just super, super super
strict on that. You know, he wouldn't even take Excentric
for a headache because it had kafane, Like, he ain't
so strict on that. I find a little less strict
on that. All topics ever any day, but yeah, they're
not Travis. I can guarantee you wouldn't even catch coke.
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So it's one of his other roommates.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I guess end day that was around April that you
last saw him, right early, haven't you haven't been back
in town since then?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
No, I haven't at all.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Somebody has mentioned your name and you've been back in
town for.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Like a week or a couple of days. Oh, I've been.
I've been thinking about going there. So yeah, I've been
definitely planning on heading down there.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But you haven't physically been here since since you last.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Since I moved.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
So I was good to go this week actually while
he was in camp and stay at his house, but
it's just not in the budget.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
So was that something that you guys have scheduled that
you were going to come down and stay this house?
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Yeah? So actually not, That's what I emailed him about
last week. It was kind of last minute, so it
was going to go, I'm looking out a calendar here.
I was going to go, not this week, but the next,
and then he was going to come up here that
following week, which was before July. And it also, I'm
kind of weird. We're all like travelers, and I figured,
you know, it would be a good idea if I
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would have a place to stay. His house is open
all the time to friends, I mean, anybody in his
business or anybody that comes to visit. He gives up
his bed, fills up on the couch, he lets him
have the whole room. So it just didn't seem like
he said that the door's always helpen. So I would
have felt totally okay just showing up and staying in
his out and eating his brow and dinners, et cetera,
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et cetera. And he would have been fine with that too.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
And I just, you know, he said, just always.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
Give me a heads up, so I have to, you know,
let me know if that's cool. It's not only goother arrangements.
And I never heard back.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
And when is that email?
Speaker 9 (17:35):
Stuh, just a few days ago. I'm in front of
the computer, so I can check right now for you.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
Yeah, I just walk into my account.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
What's his email address?
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Yeah? To his emails?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yeah, what is his email address?
Speaker 9 (17:58):
You know? His email is Travis dot Alexander at gmail
dot com. I spent one on June seven. Kind I've
heard back from you. He got a little bit upset
when I said I wasn't driving out to see him,
but he he didn't sit really easily. I don't know,
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he like had hanged over me a little bit.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And we kind of guilt each other sometimes.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
So you guys still had a fairly decent relationship with friends.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
We did.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
We had.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
Really that we talked to said that you guys that
your relationship was kind of rocky, and I got a
little a little crazy at.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
Times, or did. What happened was when I broke up
with Travis around left here because it was all really dumb.
It was a bunch of drama. I had a suspicionity
was cheating on me, and so I looked in his
phone to find out and how all these tech messages
and like it just falls up and it was like
we realized we couldn't trust each other. So, I mean
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we broke up at that point, but we were still
we were still attracted to each other, and we still
loved each other, so it wasn't the best thing, but
we still hung out all the time together and it
didn't really help either of us to move on. And
I haven't really dated anyone since, and he told me
that he hadn't dated any one since. But then he
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told me as so, it's all been kind of weird
because we kept our dating lives sort of from each other,
like a don't ask, don't how policy sort of, and
just I think it was it worked out.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It was more convenient for us.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I figured, you know, he didn't have a girlfriend, and
I'm okay coming over. And as long as he didn't
think that I was with anybody, than he was fine too.
So just the less we kneel about each other's dating
lives or romantic lives.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Better that we were, the better off we were.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
So it was sent in seven. Yeah, this is what
I said, And what.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Hell are you doing again?
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
What town are you in against?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
I mean, why Rica? So California? Why are e Ka?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Why are e k a?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
H huh oh?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Where is that at?
Speaker 9 (20:19):
It is fifteen minutes from Oregon and it's on Interstate five.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Okay, all right, so's just right more yeah, okay, not
close of the coast.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Now. Unfortunately, I had some other questions.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Trying to remember what they were. I mean, you've kind
of lived in the house for a while. Yeah, you know,
the surroundings and sat down. The kind of furniture he has,
the betting and stuff. Okay, can you describe his bedroom
betting and stuff for me? Usual question.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
No, that's fine. I've spent a lot of time in there.
He's got like I don't know if it's like Egyptian
cotton or whatever, but it's a really nice brown linen
and it's soft. It's not like flannel, but it's soft.
And he always brags to everyone about his intelligell be
like it's really comfory. So he's got a great mattress
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and it's like apparently it's like this five thousand dollar
mattress that he picked up for really really cheap because
it was the showroom saying or it was their return
or sometime. He got a really sweet deal on it.
So it's a king size I don't know California or what,
but it's the king size bed it's kind of like
a I think it's like a sleigh bed.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
It's dark wood, but the bedding that is mainly like
a brown linen, really nice cotton linen.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Yeah, he has it's maybe different patterns on the sheet
versus the comforter, but the sheets are brown and this
comforter is brown and the pill case they're brown.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
So the color of the comforter is brown as well,
having type a pattern or like a castle or ed.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
I think it has stripes. I yeah, like and they're
not like colored stripes, they're just like stripes and the
brown patterns stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Oh like you know it's it's dark brown, but it's
got a little bit darker brown like thready.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Yeah. Yeah, you can see that there's a pattern there
and the sheet may be more of like a checkered
thing I think fromber correctly. And it's his cover too,
is it so spread? Is like it's a down comforter
that's white and then it's got like a I don't
know what he used to call it. It's had a
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special means it's.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Like a cover.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
Yes, what if the douve looks like it comes like
like it's it's got buttons on the end. And it
covers the whole thing and you slide to the actual
comforter inside the doubt, which is what you pull off
to wash or you know, or you can that kind
of thing. So and we've like many times it's so
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hard to get in there with one person, so kind
of just grab the corners and we pull it together
on one side and then you just sort of fluff
it out and then fatting up the button that down kind.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Of just shoves over in one corner and it doesn't
want to spread out.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So it didn't have like any any type of edging
or tassels or anything like that, but you know of
like a like brawn.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
I remember, is.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
There anything in the house that resembled anything with some
type of small tan rope fish kind of material or
edge or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (23:42):
Blank. You may have pillows, Yeah, he may have had pillows. Yeah,
he has pillows on his on his bed, not on
a set it on the chair, but s his bet Yeah,
with some go Yeah, there's so there's also a round
pillow because you I mean, you beat him, there's just one.
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He puts it in the center and it's like there
maybe some kind of tackle thing on that.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Do you know anybody back here still that still has
contact with him?
Speaker 9 (24:15):
H yeah, lots of people, tons of people.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Is that how you found out about when it happened?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
A friend of mine, Dan Freeman, called me last night.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
I met Dan through Travis dan Freeman.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Yeah, has Barney every end?
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Okay, Yeah, we talked to him.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
I met him last year with his sister when we
all took a trip out to the Grand Canyon in Suedema.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
So he called you last night and told him what happened. Yeah. Yeah,
he didn't have a lot of information, any idea what
what everybody's talking about, what they're saying, what they're suspicions.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Are they're saying what? Everything that I heard was that,
and I got a lot of my information from Bishop
Layton more detailed, and he's basically that they they took
everybody and separated them, and I don't know who everybody is.
I'm assuming Zach because he was there and his girlfriend
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because I called Zach's cellphone and she couldn't tell me anything,
but she answered and she said, there are a lot
of people here that I don't know, but Zach's not here.
So it didn't make sense, and I just I was confused,
but she couldn't tell me anything, so I didn't get
a lot out of her. But Bishop Layton said he
was there for four hours and they interviewed everybody and
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then they went to the police station and that it's
they're treating it as a suspicious excuse me as a
suspicious death. And I heard from my friend Dave Paul
that there was a lot of blood and I don't
know that's just a rumor that's going around or it's true.
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And I also heard that his services will be in
tel one yet, but that they haven't released this thought
because brand like yet. So that's all I've really heard before.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Well, I can tell you that we're investigating it as
a homicide. It's not a suspicious death anymore. It's pretty
obvious and it's important for us to find out why
somebody would want to do harm to him, what kind
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of stuff he was possibly involved.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
In, or.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Or maybe it just could have been as simple as
a burglary or an intruder or something that had gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm wondering because he's.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Still when you said, like when they said suspicious death,
I thought, well, he's trying to shit pound for cantons.
So he looks good at boxers or bathing suit or whatever,
the swim trunks. And you know, I know that he
takes the thought, he takes supplements, and he works out
really really hard in and workout. It's a very intense routine.
And I don't know. He has these petty dumbbells that
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he uses, and he's so strong. I mean, there are
a couple of times we've tried to wrestle just for
fun and shouldn't for them, and there's just no like,
I don't see how anyone, unless maybe there were two people.
I don't see how anyone could overpower him unless there.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Was a pretty good sized guy.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Yeah, he was close to him in his town.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I think, yeah, yeah, it would take I would say
two people.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's not maybe more just kind of overpower him.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I mean, I've tried with officers you work in this
stoft to take down a woman at one hundred and
thirty five pounds who's out of control, and it's difficult
to control.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
You know, something else that.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
He don't come to mind, like somebody would want to
hurt him. It's you talk for money. Did he have
any worries or concerns.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
About anybody did own people money, but if they were
all good firns, they weren't like it wasn't a bad situation.
It was in fact they were. There was one family
that lent him money that's very very wealthy from what
I understand, and it's not like it hurted them to
lend him the money. Of course, they expected him to
pay back, and he had thought a very reasonable timeline,
and they also had a really good collateral in case
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he didn't pay back. They owned a piece of stock
that he owned, so if they didn't pay him back,
it was like six thousand dollars or something or yea,
I didn't do it with six thousands, but if they didn't,
if he didn't get them paid back on time, then
they would just keep a stock which would eventually be
worth over twenty five thousand. So I mean, they don't
think they were worried about that at all. Those are
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that's the highest family in front. High was there last night,
But I don't. I don't think that was when he
was struggling financially several months back, and I don't know.
I haven't talked to him about how that's going. Since
that's sign know that that's.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
What's the situation with the car? That were so many
expressions about them.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
W Yeah, I'm buying his dam w Okay, because we found.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
A check that was written by you to him.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Everything was the last one. Yeah, yeah, I recently killed
him in check. He I helped him matter a few
everything he I take making payment to him.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Okay, did you still have that car right now?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
No, it's actually not in my position that I did
the dumbest thing. I went and hooked it up to
the U haul and everything was cool and set to go,
and I got the dollie that went the back wheels
on the ground because it was cheaper. Yeah, and the
U Hall guy said, okay, drive it up here. Okay,
stop breaks, and everything was cool if he stopped the
car and turned it off. Both got the car with
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the door open so they could look at everything, and
they shut the door and said you're good to go,
and I took off. And this is gonna sound really dumb,
and I realized now that this is not how you
kill a car. But I left it in the first year.
And I started heading down the highway and I blew
the engine di methering. It looked like game birds all
over the highways. There's just black oil everywhere, and so
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it's sitting at Less's Auto something. Last time I checked,
it's been Mary Masa and the guy's been really nice
about just keeping it until Travis figured out what he
can do. He's called We've called lawyers about it, and
my lawyer said, you know, have your insurance fixed it?
And his lawyer said, your insurance might not fix this
because it might be considered mechanical. So that's the less
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we've talked about it. We've been he's been real busy
and hasn't had a lot of time to attend to it.
And I have a vehicle right now, but not for
much longer because I have to give it back to
the bank.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
So you know that your mail that payment in the bank.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
It was a few weeks ago. Yeah, it must have been.
Oh yeah, in fact, that's my first payment because we digest.
We just did this car deal like right before I moved,
and he's been we had only have a buyer's agreement too,
like thinks that I checked out and mail cam, but
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we have, like you said, just get on your feet,
you know, and stress entertainments. And the agreement was no
excellent for months whatever I could say. So finally got
a job and did what was Yeah, it was one
hundred dollars a month minimum, okay minimum and if I
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could pay one pay month please you know.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Okay. So we did talk to certain people, and I mean,
I don't want to tell you this, I don't want
to make you feel that, but uh, there's they didn't
have the best the thing is to say about you.
They felt that you were either taking advantage of him
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or just you know, hanging around when you weren't wanted.
They mentioned that you would sometimes you know, end up
went into his house if you were in his house
or he didn't want you there, and he would ask
you to leave, but you would continue to return. There
was also some to talk about you, you know, spine
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on his email and Facebook account, those types of things.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Oh, he gave me his He gave me his Facebook
password and his my Space password, and I gave him
my but I gave him my Facebook pathword and my
Gmail account password. And the reason we did that is
because it was kind of dumb. We did that months
and months ago, and we thought, what's what can we
do to try to read that was trust between us
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and you know, well, why don't we start with that?
And so that's what we did, and then you know,
it just didn't work. He got really upset finally, and
he's like, you know, this isn't working. And I said,
all right, this is too much of a headache. Let's
just change our passwords. So he did.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
He changed our passwords.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
After that, I changed lying gosh, not long ago, holla,
three weeks ago maybe, And I don't know about his
because I haven't once he made a clarity, wasn't comfortable
with that anymore. I didn't even try to get back
into his account anymore.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
So, yeah, I mean, I've been married almost twenty years
and I don't have my wife.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
You know, really, I know you sometimes it's true, it's true.
And I told him, you know, we have, We've had
hours on hours of conversation, and I said, you know,
I just don't know if I could ever trust you again,
you know, and if he doesn't know if he could
ever trust me, are because I might always want to
get back into his own and find out did he
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really have something going on or what, because you know
he did at one point or you know. And so
he said, yeah, I understand that, and he's but if
we were married, you would have all my captors everything,
because there wouldn't be anything to worry about. And I thought, well,
that's nice, you know, but we're not married. So and
as far as getting into his emails, that never happened.
(34:01):
What he has on his computer is I think you
would oftentimes just leave his computer on books and feeling
his Gmail we go up and there were times the
night got on the computer to look up at the
thing and Gmail will about open and I would just
close it. That would constantly getting handled email. You know.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I had to mention that to you because we are
getting a search warrant for his email or you know,
Gmail and Facebook, those people, and we can tell where
those things were accessed from by ips and I I
just want to make it clear that you know that
(34:41):
if you did access it from somewhere else at a
certain time, you know, if you access to from California,
we're going to know.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Yeah, I'll tell you right now that I did. Okay,
he gave me his passwords, not the only account that
I access Bill in my Face and Gmail because those
are really packwards.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Help, how long ago was the last time?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
We actually asked? Weeks ago? We had. We had a
conversation where it's like he made it clear that he
wasn't comfortable with that anymore, and I said, that's okay,
and he and I changed my Gmail account packward because
he got into that too, and then he saw another
guy's email there and it gave me a hard time
(35:24):
about it. And so it just was, you know, we're
both coming to move on, and yeah, we're both I
don't know, he was weird.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
It seems like there was a.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Lot of jealousy issues.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
I think there might have been on both parts. For me,
it wasn't so much jealousy as it was like I
just I just wanted to know, Like I just wanted
him to be honest, and for him, I think there is.
One of the reasons I moved was because we were
spending too much time together and we weren't we weren't
moving on and it wasn't able to. I mean, I
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guess I could have dated other people well, that our
social circles were so small that anytime you heard about
something and it just.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Looks good, did you Did you move down here the
first time because of him?
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Yeah? I lived with it because of him, and I
moved away because of him. Primarily, I also wanted a
way for financial reasons. Now that you know, there are
three main reasons I moved here. When I moved in
my family too financially had in three was because of travel,
and the main reason that I moved there was because
of travel.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Okay, yeah, because when we first arrived on the scene
and started talking to people, and some of his closest friends,
you know again mentioning your name is you know, hey,
you need to call her because she probably knows what
happened to him or she possibly had something to do
with it. Oh gosh, no, I've had That's how bad
it was getting it and I, you know, I needed
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to talk to you to find out why they would
say something like that. Why would they would start pointing
fingers in your direction right away?
Speaker 9 (37:00):
I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe because I'm the next girlfriend.
We've had lots of fights, was it was?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
There a lot of issues? Uh, you know, I mean
obviously it wasn't you know, it wasn't a great relationship.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
It was great for a while until we until it all.
You know, we started fighting because I did no thing,
and I got into beanting phone because I had a
suspicion that he wasn't being faithful and I found, you know,
when text messages that were no good, and rather than
being an adult about it and confronting him, I kept
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it in and I kind of let it fester, and
you know, I was in the drawling it in a
why and I wanted to talent that I was worried
that it would just lead to a unnecessary fight. And
then I realized this is no kind of relationship. So
I finally all came out and he was really apologetic,
but we just both realized that neither of us could
be and it was in an an adult relationship. And
that was June of last year. So at that point we.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
The you continued to see each other, you know.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
A long time after that.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Well, you know, I'm glad I did get a hold
of you again, you did call me, because it kind
of clears up a lot of the questions I had
a lot of the concerns. Okay, it's not what I
don't think, it's what these people thoughts.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
You know, Yeah, I should probably I should probably tell
you that. You know, Travis, when he got upset, he
would send me really me emails. He would send me
the text messages. You think you'll find probably some stuff
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on his Facebook. I know for sure you'll find on
Facebook and definitely as Gmail. And you're welcome to access
all of my accounts here if you want.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
With Travis, probably gonna gonna just put all his Facebook
and Gmail and you know, everything to see who he
was communicating with, what he was saying saying to him.
You know, I'm not sure how far back.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
We usually go six months to a year, okay, but
you know, in a case like this, you know we
need to know, you.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Know, who had some type of being with him, who
you know, why they would.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Do something like this to Yeah, you know, I hate
telling people on.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
The phone, but you know, it's like I said, it
is a homicide of atigation, and it was an angry situation.
And when we see scenes like this, you know, the
first thing we think is these people hated each other.
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Somebody went in there to hurt him, and and they did,
and they hurt him really bad. And he's a big guy,
and it would take it, like I mentioned report where
it would take more than one person to take this
to him. Can you honestly, I was just hoping maybe
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you can kind of point me in the right direction.
I'm talking to everybody else.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
What was to a guy named Thomas Brown? And I
don't think that honestly, I hadn't seen or heard from
him since he was kicked out. I think his last
name was Brown. I could try to find him on
obviously dot com, but it was you know, that was
so long ago though. That was last spring of two
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thousand and seventh, March even And what happened was got
kicked out because he was considered like borderline sexual predator,
not like a racist, but coming on to girls and
and you know, that kind of thing, and it's just
really looked down upon the church. And so he was
this fellowship and Travis dead and you need him get
out and you know, get stuff out of my house.
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And it wasn't a friendly situation. It was set over
the phone because he and I were in Missouri and
somewhere back just touring and and tomma twist.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
So he ended up kicking him out at that time.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
Yeah, he kicked him out at the time. But tell me,
you know, he's a really big guy, but he doesn't
seem like he doesn't seem violent. He seemed pretty gently,
just seemed like a little bit buggish, but like he
was trying to act apart, not because he was that
because maybe because he thought it would like attract chicks
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or something. I don't know. So he seems honestly like
I didn't know him that well, but he seemed like
a big dune teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
There was part of this conversation. Was there also a
discussion between you and the defense about whether or not
she had some regrets about not being there at the
time of the attack?
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (41:59):
And is that memory.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Let to show or as see what her feelings are
about whether or not you should have been there.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Yes, I moved in the issue said before you and
enjoyed ever menion that of jos and remission of another.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Excerpt or not at least about two of you.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Kay?
Speaker 9 (42:21):
You remembering the work?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Gee?
Speaker 9 (42:25):
Okay, you know? And I just wanted to say like
that Travis and I hadn't You hadn't an on off
kind of relationship. I don't know, I I we just
weren't talking a lot the last several weeks, a couple
of times a week, and I just keep saying, what
if what if I just gone down there? What if
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I had never moved and it would have been there
and I couldn't know. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Well, I mean
it was more soratic. It was more soratic. But we're
usually late at night, like twelve anywhere between twelve am
and or one am, and like pre were three or
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four in the morning. He was kind of did he'd
have any.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Of the soll phones? Who poss it? All? What we
saw on one cell phone?
Speaker 9 (43:17):
You know, I'm pretty sure if he made it otherwise
I know about it. He has his Horizon cell phone
and he had his land line.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I don't have any other questions at this time, however.
Speaker 13 (43:30):
Will recall its examination.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Hello detective Hello, I'm going to ask you about.
Speaker 12 (43:42):
The portion of your work that mister Martinez just spoke
to you about. All right, okay, but just to before
we do that, already, back up just a little bit.
You mentioned that you were called out to the scene. Yes, okay,
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how does that work exactly?
Speaker 5 (44:07):
The call usually comes in from a patrol officer to
my supervisor. We had two supervisors at that time in
a homicide unit, and they make the decision on who
to call out to investigate that particular homicide that night.
Speaker 12 (44:20):
Okay, So when you received the call to the asking
you to go out to this address on Queensborough.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
What information do you have?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
The only information I had was that there was a
suspicious death and they gave me the address on Queensboro
and they didn't have any further information.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (44:40):
And you recall as best you can estimate how long
a time period was it between the time that you
received that call by the time you arrived at the
house on Queensborough.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
It was within an hour, okay.
Speaker 12 (44:55):
And describe for us, if you will, what the scene
was when you arrived. What was going on when you
pulled up to the house.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Well, the house was cordoned off with police caution tape
around the entire residence. Actually the street was blocked off
as well, and then with police vehicles and patrol officers
and patrol supervisors there at that time.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (45:22):
You say the street was blocked off as just in
front of the house. Was that the entire street now
just in front of the house, okay? And it sounded
it seems to me like there were some base on
what Officer Williams told us, there were some people around
the house.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Where were they?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
They were off on one of the corners, probably about
thirty to forty yards away from the house.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, And.
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Why didn't you tell us were there? Several officers there
would just kind of give us a description of.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
That, anywhere from around four to six officers.
Speaker 12 (45:59):
Say, okay, so the crimes even mcording off, the people
were put into a certain area.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Correct, They weren't really putting in an area, but they
were off on a corner somewhere there were neighbors. And
from what I could tell, friends of Travis, and tell
us what you did when you got up to the house.
We first met with the patrol supervisor, uniform patrol supervisor there,
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and we received the briefing of what they received so far,
the information and what they've done up to that point.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And that was the night of the ninth.
Speaker 12 (46:44):
Yes, And you said you were there till the early
morning hours of the tent.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
We were there pretty much the entire day. The rest
of the day as well.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Okay, So did you how long did you stay on
that first night.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I don't recall the exact time, but I know it
was evening. It was dark when we left on the tenth, okay.
And then you returned the tenth, Yes, in the morning. Yes, okay,
And this phone call we just heard about. We just
heard excerpts from I should say, when did.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
That take place?
Speaker 5 (47:21):
That took place late morning, early afternoon on the tenth, okay.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
And then when you referenced.
Speaker 12 (47:32):
During that phone call, you just heard it, correct, Yes,
you reference people talking about miss Arius being a stocker,
always around when she wasn't supposed to be that sort
of thing. Where did that information come from?
Speaker 5 (47:47):
That information came from some of my fellow officers and
fellow detectives who I assigned to go talk and interview
some of the people at the scene.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
Okay, So they conduct interviews with these various people, and
then you discuss what they learned with them.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
And did you talk to anyone specifically that night?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
We conducted some interviews at the Mace Police station. Mimi Hall,
who was here testifying. We talked to her and and
some of the roommates. There was two roommates in particular.
Speaker 12 (48:24):
And that was part of your your portion of the
initial investigation, right, the part you did yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (48:37):
I want to again focus in on that phone call.
Miss Arius told you that Travis's weapons were his two fifts.
You recall hearing that some few minutes ago okay. She
also mentioned that he I think her words were to
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the effect of loves beating the crap out of a
punching bag.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Was there a punching bag found in the home? Yes,
there was, okay. And where was that located?
Speaker 13 (49:10):
It was?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
I would say the downstairs living room area, okay.
Speaker 12 (49:19):
And could you describe that for us, because I know
sometimes there's punching bags that sit on the ground, sometimes
hang from the ceiling.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
It's one of the type that sits on the ground,
has the larger base.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Filled with water or sand or something, and then it
has a punching bag padded area above it.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (49:40):
And when you found that or you observed that, and
I should back up, You did enter the home that night,
is that correct?
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (49:50):
And when you observe that punching bag, did it look
like it was in place like it had been used recently?
Speaker 9 (49:55):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (49:56):
I couldn't tell, okay.
Speaker 12 (50:03):
She also mentioned in this phone call that she was
employed by mister Alexander to Cleana's home.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Did you.
Speaker 12 (50:17):
You later went through You talked also in this phone
call about going through subpoenaing his his Facebook, it was MySpace, Gmail,
all that stuff, correct, yes, okay?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
And did you review those materials?
Speaker 7 (50:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (50:33):
I never subpoened him at that time.
Speaker 12 (50:35):
It was at a later date, okay, at a later date, yes,
But you did eventually get to reviewing those materials, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And do you remember how much later?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
That was?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
A year?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Okay and a half?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Your year and a half.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
I can't remember the specific day, but all right.
Speaker 12 (50:57):
Do you remember seeing an email from mister Alexander to
miss Arias where he provides her a picture of the
French made outfit that he would like her to dawn
when she cleans his apartment or his home.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Excuse me, that doesn't sound familiar.
Speaker 12 (51:13):
I don't remember that, all right.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
You also.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Asked miss arius about.
Speaker 12 (51:25):
Rope or tassels or when you were talking about the betting,
you specifically brought up rope or tassels.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Do you recall that, Yes?
Speaker 7 (51:33):
I did?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Okay, Could you tell us why.
Speaker 7 (51:36):
You did that?
Speaker 5 (51:38):
In part of the scene, we actually saw a small
piece of fabric and it appeared to be maybe part
of a tassel, and it was right in the middle
of the scene in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Okay, a moment are.
Speaker 12 (51:55):
I'm going to hand you Exhibit two seventy one, Exhibit
to seventy, sixty.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Nine to sixty eight.
Speaker 12 (52:15):
And to sixty Now, a detective, I've showed you. Uh,
do you recognize the exhibits I've put before you?
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yes, okay?
Speaker 12 (52:25):
And as it relates, there are some that relate to
the bathroom Mary correct, yes, okay, and there are some
that are elsewhere in the house.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (52:37):
Okay? But you recognize all those photos as true and
actor depictions of the crime scene that you saw that night. Yes,
they are judged moved for the emission of those exhibits
an objection.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Exhibit two sixty five to sixty six, two sixty seven,
two sixty eight to sixty nine, two seventy and two
seventy one are in minted.
Speaker 9 (53:00):
What was running me?
Speaker 12 (53:07):
And for the record, detective, we're gonna begin with Exhibit
two seventy.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Could you describe for us what you see there?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, that's that piece of fabric list. It is number
eight with the placard eight.
Speaker 12 (53:22):
And that is the rope or taskl you're referring to
with miss Arias and a phone call. Yes, Now, detective,
I'm gonna show you exhibit two seventy one, and could you.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Advise us what we're seeing there?
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Uh, same one as the last one, just at a
different angle.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (53:45):
And again for the record, exhibit two sixty five.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Yes, another piece of roper tassel, all right, and.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
That was an just so we're clear as well, that's another.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
Piece, correct, a separate piece also in the bathroom area.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
And detective, if you could describe for us what we
see in this exhibit.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
That's same as the last one, item number three, different angle.
Speaker 12 (54:10):
And for the record, this is exhibit two sixty six.
Do you describe for us what you see in this exhibit?
Speaker 5 (54:19):
You're talking about the same placard number three two, Yeah,
same as the.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Last There were also other items there.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
I believe the other two two and four were hair fibers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (54:35):
And as we were talking earlier, pieces of this rope
like substance were also found elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
In the home, were they not?
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yes, I want to show you.
Speaker 12 (54:50):
For the record, exhibit number two sixty eight.
Speaker 5 (54:57):
Could you describe for us what we see there? Yes,
another piece of the thread or string tassle. And this
was actually on the stairs leading up to the bedroom.
Speaker 12 (55:09):
And this would be that same piece of rope, just
further depicting the stairs.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Is that correct? Yes, without the pluckard.
Speaker 11 (55:16):
Now, in terms of.
Speaker 12 (55:21):
Choosing to photograph these items or do you direct a
person to take certain pictures or how does that work?
Speaker 5 (55:30):
Yes, it's up to my direction.
Speaker 12 (55:32):
Okay, and so then on be it on the ninth
or the tenth. Your attention was drawn to this rope
and thought it might be of significance in your investigation.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
Correct.
Speaker 9 (55:45):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (55:52):
The other bit of conversation you had with Miss Areas
dealt with told you when you were discussing the emails
you're talking about getting into his emails, and she was
talking about discussions they had while in an email account.
You recall that, yes, And do you recall her saying
(56:19):
that he had said several mean things to her? Yes,
during in these emails. And I guess about according to
your testimony previously, it was about a year and a
half later that you actually looked at these emails.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Correct, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (56:42):
Do you remember seeing emails in which mister Alexander referred
to Miss Areas as a quote three whole wonder, yes,
as a slut, yes, as a whore?
Speaker 5 (56:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Thank you to take redirect. Why was he referred to
like that? Why she does speculation.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Sustain?
Speaker 7 (57:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
You read that email right, You responded to defense council,
didn't you? Yes, Any knowledge that you have comes from
that email, doesn't it? Yes? What did that email say?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Why was he upset?
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Objection calls for speculation approach?
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Please, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take the
noon recess at this time. Please be back in the
designated area at one twenty five and we will start
promptly at one point thirty.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Please remember the admonition. Are there any questions? Have a
nice lunch. You are excused, He seated.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
The record will show the presence of the jury, the defendant,
and all council. Mister Martinez, you may continue with redect.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Your name, sir, the step on floatish and you were
the person testifying before lunch. Correct. Yes, Please take a
look at Exhibit two seventy five. Are you familiar with that? Yes? Yes,
And with regard to that item, is that the is
that the well?
Speaker 5 (58:10):
What is it? It's a copy of instant message emails
sent back between Jody Arias and Travis Alexander.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
And you were asked previously on cross examination about this
reference to a three hold wonder correct?
Speaker 9 (58:26):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Is that the document contains that reference?
Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yes, it is with.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Regard to that reference involving that particular comment. Why was
that comment made as indicated in that documentary? Speculation sustained
as phrased. Well, that's at the bottom. What does he
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complained about? What page was that answer? Eighth at the bottom?
Four lines from the bottom.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
Uh references to being used sexually by miss Arius.
Speaker 7 (59:09):
What is he saying?
Speaker 9 (59:11):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Specifically, let me read it from here. I think I
was little more than a dil dough with a heartbeat
to you.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
And that's what he's saying to heart right.
Speaker 9 (59:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
In the previous pages, pages one and two and three,
is there any do they talk about whether or not
to tell the truth. Yes, I'm gonna answering the the
questions post and cross mister March answer. It's part of
the same document as part of reason why he's calling
(59:48):
what he's calling her. There's no way, God, I mean,
he's he's had to speculate.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
On the link counsel approach and bring the truth.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
What were you cage?
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
It starts with Facebook. Yes, just read it though, okay?
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Uh me? No, no, no, no, no, read it to yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Oh okay, I thought you wanted me to read it
out look, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
And in terms of the reference to the three old winder,
it's towards the bottom threact. Yes, go ahead and read
the next page, which is four.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Or sixteen to yourself. Okay, what is the context of
that comment?
Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
The context throughout those two pages is, uh, Travis Alexander
and Jody Areas are having a conversation and Travis is
complaining about her lying to him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Right, So you were pasked about some ivors and he's
set out in exhibits numbers two sixty five through two
seventy one one. Do you remember those? And I'll start
with two sixty five for example.
Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
First of all, you see the scale on there, right,
This is exhibit number two sixty five.
Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yes, And what does that word then saysmetric?
Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
And with regard to these spaces in between, in terms
of the metric scales, where are they the centimeters, millimeters, calimeters,
what are they?
Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
The large section is the small ones millimeters?
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
And how many millimeters are there in an inch?
Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Approximately twenty five?
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yeah, it's a little bit more than twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Ye, yes, how much? Well, there's two point four centimeters
in an inch, and then there's ten, so it's two
point get two.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Point five four, So we're talking twenty five point four
millimeters to an inch, right, Yes, And so that will
tell us, for example, by looking at this, by counting
out twenty five millimeters how much an inch is?
Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Yes, what you are to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Those particular items there? Can you tell whether not this
really is a piece of a rope.
Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Looks more like a small thread.
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
And if you take a look at Exhibits sixty three.
Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
And eighty one, take on those of those First of all, yes,
do you recognize those?
Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
What are those photographs of uh?
Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Photographs of the interior of Travis Alexander's house, more in
particular his bedroom and part of the bathroom near the shower.
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
And were those taken back at the time of the
investigation of the crime.
Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
In June of two thousand and eighty Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I remember the vision that exit sixty three.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Obgyptian Exhibit sixty three and eight when would be admitted?
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Just take a look at, UH, exhibit sixty three. What
are we looking at here?
Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Uh, it's a photograph of Travis Alexander's bedroom, and specifically
what is this item here? Those are UH throw pillows.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
And what's around the corners of those throw pillows.
Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Tassel like UH fibers.
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Those tassel like fibers. If we take a look at
exhibit number two sixty five.
Speaker 9 (01:03:47):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
If you were there, can you tell us whether or
not you're similar to those.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
How?
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
They are?
Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
And let me show you another exhibit its Exhibit number
two seventy one. You see this that's on there? This
the sign him here? You see that?
Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Take a look at UH exhibits numbers sixty four and sixty.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Okay, those are photographs.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Are the true and accurate depictions of an area, and and.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I am from the scene that existed back when the
investigation was being conducted in June of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yes they are. What did you name that Exhibits sixty
four and.
Speaker 9 (01:04:43):
Six eight, no objection.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
You're on exhibit sixty four and exhibit sixty will be
a minute.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
This is UH exhibit sixty four and orient us a
little bit. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Looking at the interior of Travis Alexander's bedroom, Looking from
just behind the entry door, you can actually see the
door on the right hand side door handle, and you're
looking in what direction, kind of like a northeast direction
into the bedroom.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
What does this door lead to?
Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
That one is actually to the closet that parallels the
hallway into the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
And exhibit number and there is something in the middle
here this photograph, the first one to sixty four.
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Right there, Yes, the sandals.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Okay, then take a look at exhibit sixty eight.
Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
That's a close up of what the sandals in the
middle of the room.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And with regard to the sandals, if they have any
covering on them or a person would step.
Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Yes, full of fibers.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And you see this right here?
Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
These items that are sticking out from around the.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Sandals, those are the actual fibers that the sandals are
covered with.
Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
And then if we take a look at exhibit number
two seventy one, what is that in your opinion? Could
that be? Is that consistent with having come from those us?
Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Yes, it is consistent in looking through.
Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
This whole house. Was there ever a rope that was found? No,
So if there had been a rope there and you
didn't find it, what would have happened to the rope?
Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Do you knows? You caused the speculation. It's beyond the
scope of cross over rope.
Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Uh, we would have taken it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I know it wasn't there. Would you've taken it?
Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
If somebody had taken it be for you.
Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Would you have taken it?
Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
No, I couldn't have.
Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
But did you find any long lengths of rope or
anything like that when you were there?
Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
And did you find, for.
Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Example, in Exhibit sixty three, was that bedroom examined, Yes
it was. Was the area here around the bed examined?
Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Was the area exhibit number sixty four. Was the area
right around here examined?
Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
And I mean I mean the poor more portion was
Did any officers look underneath the bed?
Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Did they look behind the headboard?
Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Was there ever a knife found anywhere near not?
Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Was there ever any roope found anywhere near there? In
other words, any of these those strands that we're talking about,
were any of those found anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Near the bed?
Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You talk about cordnying off the street and that.
Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Sort of thing when you got there and the house
being cordon doc, do.
Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
You remember that, Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I did. What's the purpose of that?
Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
To secure here the residents, to keep anybody from going
in and disturbing any evidence, so that from the time.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
That the police received the call till the time the
police first police officer came the nobody had access to it.
Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
Yeah, pleas correct, that's correct.
Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And how long did you keep the scene open or
how long is it seen security? So to speak?
Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Almost three days?
Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I don't have any other questions, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I have one question from a juror. Are there any
other questions from jur If there are questions, ladies and gentlemen,
raise your hand, and if you need some time.
Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
To write it out, just let me know and we
will wait for you. Counsel, please approach right. Detective Majuror
has a question for you.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Are the exhibits number two seventy two, two seventy three
and two seventy four from the same conversation?
Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
What exhibits are those? Can I see them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
They are?
Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
J Jerman.
Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
You may cross and follow up on did your question
if you have, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Still have exibus of the US Yes? And you find
the approach runner. Yeah, Well, I actually want to tell
you what we will put up Exhibit sixty.
Speaker 12 (01:09:24):
Three Again, mister Martinez showed you that just a minute ago.
You recall saying that, yes, okay, based on the observations
you made, and I believe what you told us was that, uh,
this picture accurately depicts what you saw at the crime
scene on June ninth and or June tenth.
Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (01:09:47):
Okay? And it would appear that those pillows are in
an unmolested state, would you agree?
Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And you recall mister Martinez also ask you about with
some fibers on them?
Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (01:10:06):
Let me step back a bit. Mason Police Department. You're
how long have you been employed there?
Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Nineteen years?
Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
Okay, so you're pretty familiar with the practices and the
procedures and those sort of things. Correct, Yes, okay, And
I suspect, then could you tell us whether Mason Police
Department has a crime lab? Yes, we do, okay. And
what sort of things does that crime lab do?
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Everything from DNA typing, fingerprint analysis, blood work, those kinds
of things.
Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (01:10:42):
So if they had known fibers, for example, from these
pillows or from sandals or that sort of thing, they
could compare that against items you found at the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Correct. Our lab does not do that, okay, So.
Speaker 12 (01:10:55):
You could either there would be no way for you
to compare.
Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
We would have to send those up to another lab.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Okay, Was that done?
Speaker 9 (01:11:02):
No?
Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
Okay, So the estimation you're making that these these are
similar characteristics are just based on your observation, not any
actual data testing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
That's correct?
Speaker 12 (01:11:14):
Okay, thank you, mister Martinez.
Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Was that three exhibits or the three DVDs that you
have in front of you, those were from the same conversation? Correct?
Yes they were. What date was the conversation that you
had of those three DVDs?
Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
They were June tenth today?
Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Who initiated that? In other words, I know you made
the call, but were you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Returning a call? I was returning a call a message
to call Jody Areas back.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I don't have any other questions. Thank you.
Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
Let me step down.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Statement calls.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Next witness say called Heather Carter.
Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Can you spell your first and last name?
Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Please have an other beach th author raised right now?
You do saw me square.
Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
The testimony you're about to give will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
So help you God, How do you thank you?
Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Lea's walk right around and have a seat made receipt.
Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
May I have your name?
Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Please yes, my name is Heather Connor. What are you
I work for the Masa Police Department.
Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
And how long have you worked for the Mason Partner.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I was hired in June or excuse me, September of
two thousand and four.
Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
And what were your.
Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Duties when you were initially hired?
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
When I was originally hired at the Masa Police Department,
I was hired as a crime scene technician. I was
promoted in June of two thousand and five to latent
print examiner.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And what kind of do you have to have a
degree for that sort of thing? What kind of experience
did you have or education prior to being hired.
Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I hold a Bachelor of Science degree in anthropology and journalism.
I have an Associate of Science degree in forensic technology.
Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
What were your duties back in June of two thousand
and eight?
Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
In June of two thousand and eight, I was a
latent print examiner. Among my duties includes the performing the
comparative analysis of unknown finger and palm prints that are
recovered from crime scenes and items of evidence to known
subjects prints. I also process evidence in the laboratory using
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various chemicals and powders and I respond to major crime scenes,
I take photographs, collect evidence, and process for latent prints.
Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
With regard to this issue of latent fingerprints, what is
a latent fingerprint?
Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
A latent fingerprint is a chance impression on the palmer
sides of your hands and the soles of your feet.
We have a specialized type of skin that's called friction
ridge skin, very similar to corduroy, and that there are
peaks and valleys to that skin. And throughout the day
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you can collect different materials on the surface of your skin,
including oils from your face, or hair, grease from the
food that you eat, or other things throughout your day,
and when you touch a surface, you can leave an
impression of the arrangement of friction ridges on your hands
or palms onto that surface.
Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
So as I understand, what you're saying is that these
impressions that are left behind. Wow, let me ask it
this way.
Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Are they left behind every single time that a person,
for example, touches a surface like I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Doing here on this podium.
Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
No, there are many reasons a print may or may
not be left behind.
Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Well, does environment have anything to do with whether or
not this impression it's going to be left behind. Yes, specifically,
what environmental factors effect whether or not it's.
Speaker 13 (01:14:55):
Going to be left behind.
Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
It's a very warm day, most the perspiration on your
fingers is water. It can evaporate, So if it's a
very warm day, you may not leave an impression behind.
You may have very dry hands. The residue left behind
could evaporate from the surface. If it's been raining, the
residue could be washed away. Environmental factors like that can
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affect whether a print is left behind or not.
Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
How about a surface, For example, if I get a
hold of something that's made out of wood, and I
put my hands all over it, and my more or
less likely to leave a chance or layer fingerprint behind
depend it's got a lot of holes in it, just
a piece of wood, I.
Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Would say in that case, you're less likely to leave
a latent print behind on a very rough holy surface
than a smooth, hard surface. If you think of a
fingerprint as a rubber stamp, and think about if you
ink up a rubber stamp and press it on a
very rough surface, you don't get a very clear impression
of that stamp left behind. A fingerprint is the same
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sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
What about movement?
Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
What if I'm, for example, going through something and I'm
moving very quickly, and I slide my hand against the
surface like I did of.
Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
The podium, there my left or more likely to leave
a fingerprint.
Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
You may leave a fingerprint behind in that circumstance, but
you could be smearing the fingerprint and the arrangement won't
be visible. It won't be very clear based on the movement.
Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
So you get these fingerprints, let's assume that you actually
lift them. How do you go about determining who's the
person that left it behind. Let's say, in this world
where you have billions and billions of people, you don't
know who the person was that left it behind. That's
why you're checking. So how is it that you go
about affecting an identification.
Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
The methodology that we use to compare fingerprints, it goes
by the acronym ace V. That's a c h V
that stands for analysis, comparison, evaluation and verification. In the
analysis phase, what an examiner will do is examine the
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latent impression to determine its overall suitability for comparison. The
overall ridge flow of that print. Can I tell if
it's a finger or a palm? Can I tell the
orientation of the print? How clear is the information? Is
there a great deal of difficulty in distinguishing between the
raised portions, which would be the ridges and the furrows.
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We're looking for three levels of detail and a fingerprint.
Level one detail is the overall ridge flow and in
the fingers will be pattern type. And we're looking for
level two detail. That's called ridge characteristics. Many other terms
that can be used, such as minutia, galt in detail,
things like that. That's going to be where a ridge
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is flowing along and abruptly ends, called that an ending ridge.
You also have ridges that flow along and then branch
into two ridges, and that's called a bifurcation. So that's
the second level of detail that we're looking at in
the analysis phase. The third level of detail is pores
on the friction ridge surfaces. There are pores that exude sweat.
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The location, shape and size of those pores is visible
in some impressions. And the other part of third level
detail would be the shapes of the edges of the
ridges themselves. So in the analysis phase we're looking for
all of that information. It's fact gathering. We're looking to
see do we have level one detail, Do we have
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level two detail? Do we have level three detail? That's
all with just the latent impression. Then we move to
the known impressions or exemplars, and we're performing analysis of
the Stop.
Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Okay, what if you don't know who the person is
when you go out to a scene. I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Correct, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
So are you familiar with something called APHIS?
Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
What is APHIS is an acronym?
Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Correct it is?
Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
And what is an aphos fand for ATHOS.
Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Is the automated fingerprint identification system. And without talking about
the actual bank that's involved, just I'm just talking about
the machine.
Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Don't I don't want to know how the nome's go
in there?
Speaker 11 (01:19:25):
Okay, do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Okay?
Speaker 11 (01:19:28):
Does this machine help you? Then make a comparison to.
Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Other nodes that may be around yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
And what is the advantage of having the APHIS system
as opposed to a human being sitting down and making
this comparison.
Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
The APHIS system is a searching database, so we're able
to enter a latent print into the database the first
joint of the fingers and the palms, and it will
create a mathematical algorithm and bring back ten candidates that
the computer believes are close to this latent impression.
Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
The examiner then is able to.
Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Well, then let me stop you. Then, are you telling
me that the advantage of APIs is speed, Yes, because
they can go through thousands upon thousands of fingerprints within
a very short period of time, right yes, and if
any of them are similar, then it spits it out
right yes, But as an examiner, that's not an identification, correct, No,
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it's not, because then that's when the human person comes in,
right yes, And then a human person does what with
those candidates that have been spit out?
Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
The examiner initially views the latent and the known impression
on the screen one at a time and determines whether
or not they've they have a hit. If a hit
is declared, then a known exemplar that non exemplar will
be obtained by the examiner and a one to one
comparison will be performed between the and the known The
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examiner is the one who does that comparison final comparison.
Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
In our talk today, one of the things that we
keep referring to is that the fingerprints, and we've been
talking about that how about palms, for example, are palms
also unique to individuals or is it a situation where
the only comparison that can be done is involving the fingerprints.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
No, the arrangement of skin on all the palmer surfaces
of the hands is unique.
Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
And so once you let's say that you have does
this APUs system also have the palm prints in it
that can be used or not?
Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
When you look at a fingerprint and you're doing this comparison,
are you then also able to orient it and find
out what part of the hand is involved, whether it's
one of the fingers or in the palm. Can you
do that?
Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
It depends on the quality of the latent.
Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Well, let's assume it's a great quality, the best quality
you ever had. Can you do it?
Speaker 9 (01:21:59):
Then?
Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
In many cases yes, And if you have the palm,
you can tell what part of the palm it is then.
Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Right, if there are certain if there's enough information in
the palm, you can use those to help determine where
the land is from.
Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
So, in other words, are you saying that if you
have a pom print you cannot tell what part of
the palm print it is, What part of the palm
it is.
Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
There are latent impressions that are palm prints that are
very clear that you cannot tell necessarily where it originates from.
On the hand, yes, correct, but there's some that you
can then, right, Yes, so that's part of what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Then correct that is part? Is that done out of
the scene or is that done somewhere else?
Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
The entry of latenc into aphis and the comparison of.
Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Prince is done in the lab, and so that the
gathering of these latined fingerprints, how is that done out
of the scene.
Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
A majority of the processing that we'll do at a
scene in order to collect layton princes is done with
powder and lift tape.
Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
And the others, which indicates that there may be others.
What are the other processes that are out there?
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
There is some chemical processing techniques that we can use
at the scene, depending on the type of residue that
we believe a latent impression may have been left in.
In this particular case, for example, what black powder the
only method that was used at the scene to attempt
to gather night in prints?
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
No, it was not.
Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Why aren't you telling me what those other processes were?
In this case?
Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Luco crystal violet And what is that? That is a
chemical that reacts to the heme and hemoglobin to stain
a dark purplish blue color if it comes into contact
with it. And what is the advantage of that? What
is the advantage of this? Local crystal violet. Luco crystal
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violet or LCV is specific does not react with the
regular constituents of fingerprint residue. So if there's an impression
that I believe is left potentially in oils or fats
or lipids, that sort of thing, I would not use
local crystal violet. Luco crystal violet would be used to
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search for potential impressions that are left in blood, for example.
Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
So the value of local crystal violet is that the
print may have been left in a medium other than
for example, sweat.
Speaker 11 (01:24:31):
Or oils or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Correct. That's correct, And the way you sort of seem
to say it, it's specifically designed when you believe that
perhaps the print is left in blat, that's correct. In
this case. Also, again, as part of going to the
scene lifting fingerprints and that sort of thing, do you
do anything with the evidence or items that are going
to be taken back to the lab For future examination,
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whether they be latent fingerprints or whether they be anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yes, all items that an entry value or photographed and
then collected by meat which are then and turn impounded
into our evidence section.
Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It would seem to me though, that if you have
all these items of evidence out there, and if you're
just photographing them and collecting them, that you're not going
to know where which is where you found something. So,
for example, if there's some shoes over there, there's a
gun over there, how are you going to know what
num which is which.
Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
The way which we will document evidence to be collected
is it will be marked, typically with an identifier such
as a number. We have what we call placards. They
look like small plastic tents that have numbers on them,
and we will typically put those next to an item
of evidence, photograph it with that placard to document how
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it will be identified later.
Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
That's with regard to items that you can take. What
about if there's an item one of the things that
we've been talking about is laightten fingerprints or blood smears,
that sort of thing, How is it that do you
also put a number by those or do you put
a different sort of designation so that you know that
what you have something that you didn't take, but you
took a sample of it.
Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Certainly, in in some cases a different type of identifier
will be used. In this case, I used letters for
those things that were photographed that could not be collected directly.
Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Let me show you an exhibit you recognize Exhibit two
forty nine, Yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
That is a diagram of a portion of the scene
that I responded to?
Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Which portion of the scene are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
It appears to be the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
When you say it sounds like you're not sure. Are
you sure?
Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
You're not sure?
Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yes, it is. It's the master bedroom, closet and bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Is this a true act or depiction of the scene
as it existed when you were there and you conducted
your work?
Speaker 9 (01:26:50):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
And how long were you there conducting your work?
Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
We spent over three days at the crime scene.
Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
When you say we it's sort of a royal thing.
I'm not interested in what others may have done, hollow
were you at the scene, because that's what we're really
is testifying three days?
Speaker 9 (01:27:08):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
And there were others that.
Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
Were there with you? Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
There were?
Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Were there a technicians there with youth.
Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yes, and who else we've lived in there with you assistant?
Speaker 9 (01:27:18):
Whout this thing.
Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
In what capacity?
Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
In any capacity?
Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
There were several detectives there at at various times officers.
There was members of the biology unit of the Mesa
Police Department and also another latent print examiner.
Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
When you say, uh, the members of biology biology unit,
what did they.
Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Concentrate on a DNA evidence?
Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
And in this particular case, you can see that there
is a variety of numbers here and there's also red
areas and bodying that sort of thing. Is this a
true accurate depiction Moodey items that were on the scene
at the time that we were there during those three
days in June two thousand and eights.
Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
And the adsion is there a point area.
Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
Moment? There are.
Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
No exa exhibit two for are.
Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
You in isignited? I think we may have a Readie
talked a little bit about this, but just keep your.
Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
View of.
Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
This area, she said, two treats the area there?
Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
Uh where it says forty four and twenty four?
Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
Do you see that there?
Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Not from here? I apologize, I can m.
Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
This area here. Do you see it here?
Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
Yes? I do what is that area?
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Tell me a little bit about that area there.
Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
That is the two doors. Those are the two doors
leading into the master bedroom. And those are numbers design
items of evidence that were collected from those doors with
regard to the doors. Did were you did you check
anybody that you were you were supervising?
Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Did anybody check to see what type of uh lock
that was involved?
Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
There is a photograph of that locking mechanism, and I.
Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Have Okay, now after you walk in there and you
take a look at this right here, what is this?
That's Marsh's forty five? I mean, what are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
That forty five is a piece of carpeting that was
at the entry to the hallway leading to the master
bathroom that had a large area of red staining on
it that was collected.
Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
And did you walk down that hallway?
Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And as you walk down that hallway, where did it
take you to the master bathroom? And what's it the bathroom?
Where is the tub in comparison to.
Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
The door as you're walking in, it would be to
your left.
Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
And is that where the body was up?
Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
The body was found in the shower that was to
the left, Yes, And just just to be clear, they'd
have both a bathtup and a shower, right, yes, is
the body found in the shower of suation?
Speaker 9 (01:30:16):
Correct? Yes?
Speaker 14 (01:30:16):
All right, But take a look at them on foldor
think take a look at that exhibits one through seven.
Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
And see if you recognize us to pick the day.
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Do you recognize what's there?
Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
I do? And what area do those photographs depict?
Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
This depicts the entry and the front of the home
that I responded to, the garage and a portion of
the laundry room of that scene.
Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Are they as true and after depictions of those areas
again as they were on the day that you responded
antivity and were there?
Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yes, their.
Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Remember the indission of exhibits from one through seven, no objection.
Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
The exhibits one through seven are admitted. So we're going
to take a five minute recess. Actually we'll make it
a ten minute recess. So ladies and gentlemen be back
in the designated area at twenty minutes till three and
we will resumed probably at that time. Please remember the
ammunition you are excused FTR is not currently working. She's
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rebooting the computer, so we need to make sure it's
working before we can proceed.
Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yes, you can take a we are at Let's bring
in the jury.
Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Records, show the presence of the jury, Heather.
Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Car Let's take a look at that exhibits what are
we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
This is the front of the house.
Speaker 11 (01:32:30):
And the exposure of the house. What direction is towards
my pen?
Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
This way north? Okay, wouldn't it be that way? Let's
take continue looking at it okay. Exhibit number two.
Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
That is another view of the front of the house
showing the front door.
Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
And it also shows a closer up of.
Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
What the vehicles that are parked in the garage and driveway.
Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
And how many are there?
Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Three total?
Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
And number.
Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
Three?
Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
That is a photograph of the front door entry and
the numbers of the residents, and what's the address of
the residence one, one, four, two eight, and what's the
street Queensboro?
Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Exhibit number four. What do we see there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
That is a photograph of the open garage door view
into the garage and the two cars in that garage.
Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
What kind of car is this? Do you know.
Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
A Toyota Prius? And the color given how galery this
photograph is, what color.
Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Was it when you were out there?
Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Dina I believe it was black.
Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Exhibit number five.
Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
The rear of that toyota prius.
Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Okay. If you then look over here to the right,
do you see what that is? That is a doorway
leading from the.
Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Garage into the laundry room of the residents. Yeah, And
this right here is what it appears to be a
garage door opener.
Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
And this right here, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 11 (01:34:26):
You're familiar with light switches?
Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Does that look like it could be a light switch?
Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
It appears to be.
Speaker 11 (01:34:34):
And then if we just shows us the rest of
the garage and what's here?
Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Correct?
Speaker 9 (01:34:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
And do you know what this is?
Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
A bicycle?
Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Okay? Now, Exhibit number six is what.
Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
That is?
Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
A view a view of the laundry room that includes
the washer and dry that we're inside that room.
Speaker 11 (01:35:01):
And this door here where does that lead to?
Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
That door leads to the garage.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
And if we take a look at exhibit number five,
do you see this door here? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
I do.
Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
There are those one and the same doors they Exhibit
number seven also shows as a door. Are you familiar
with which door this one is?
Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
I believe that is the same door we've been discussing
from the laundry room to the garage, and.
Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
You say you believe it sort of implies that you're
not sure. Take a look at it. And then if
we take a look at exhibit number six, you see
that same door.
Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Those are the same doors.
Speaker 11 (01:35:47):
And is this then the door that leads out to
the garage?
Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
And what is this up here?
Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
An alarm keypad of some kind?
Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
A look at some more for take a look at
exhibit eight through sixteen. Do you recognize those photographs? Yes?
Speaker 13 (01:36:14):
I do.
Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
What do they depict?
Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
These photographs depict the washing machine and the contents of
that washing machine, and.
Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Again release photographs taken at it. Yes, they were a
move for the admission of exhibits numbers eight through sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Exhibits eight through sixteen are admitted.
Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
First of all, let's take a look at exhibit number six.
That's the one that we just talked about. And what
is this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
That is a dryer and this right here washing machine?
Speaker 9 (01:36:54):
All right?
Speaker 11 (01:36:55):
Exhibit number eight shows us what what are we looking that.
Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Is a reddish stain that was on top of the
edge of the water.
Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Exhibit number nine. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
That is looking at the same area of the washing
machine pulled back a little bit with some labeled, some
stickers to label and identify some stains seen on the
washing machine.
Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Are these the reddish stains that you guys were looking at,
or just stains.
Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Generally reddish brown stain? There's a red number on there.
Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Do you see that? I'm red?
Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
I'm sorry black?
Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
You see that?
Speaker 13 (01:37:35):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I thought in our previous discussion we indicated that if
it's something that you can't seize or that you take
a swab from, that you actually would give it a letter.
What's going on with.
Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
These ones in black?
Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
These particular stains were labeled by a member of the
biology unit so that presumptive testing could be performed. I
wasn't involved in these labels.
Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
So, in other words, these are labeled by somebody from
the biology unit to see whether or not this was
a ladder or something.
Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Correct.
Speaker 11 (01:38:14):
Exhibit number ten is a close up with one of
those ones.
Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Correct, Yes, it is, And if we bring it in
a little bit closer, it has something to the side
of it. You see that I do.
Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
What is that the letter B?
Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
So, for example, then if we go to the previous exhibit,
there are two ones there, one would be either, well,
we can look at it. We can see that they're
labeled with letters. Also, correct, this one is yes, and
then if you take a look at the other one
(01:38:51):
doesn't seem to have a letter on there though.
Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Right, it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Exhibit number eleven. What are we let me give you
a better view of that. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
That is a photograph into the washing machine when the
lid was lifted during the entry photos.
Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
And there are some items in there? Correct, Yes, there are.
This is.
Speaker 11 (01:39:20):
Exhibit number twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
That's a digital camera that was found inside of the
washing machine.
Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
And for the sake of completeness, is this the way
the camera was at the time that you guys went
into it and started taking photographs of it? Yes, it was,
and you were there on what.
Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Dates June tenth, eleventh, and twelfth, and it ran into
the thirteenth on.
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
The twelfth, All right?
Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Exhibit number thirteen. What are we seeing here?
Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
That is another photo of the contents of the washing machine.
Now with those evidence placards that I discussed to identify
items that we're going to be collected, right, thirty nine
is what thirty nine is all of the contents of
the washing machine with the exception of the camera.
Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
So this is all the clothing articles and thirty eight
is the camera, that's correct? And Exhibit number fourteen is
that just a different view of how the items are
placed in there? Yes?
Speaker 13 (01:40:29):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
In just looking at this and you were there, and
that's the reason why I'm asking. It doesn't seem like
this is a full lug?
Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Does it?
Speaker 9 (01:40:38):
Co world?
Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
It didn't appear to be full?
Speaker 11 (01:40:42):
Note Exhibit number fifteen. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
That is a photograph of the camera after it's been
removed from the washing machine and placed on butcher paper
in order to take additional advantage viewpoints of that camera.
Speaker 11 (01:40:59):
And Exhibit number sixteen is.
Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
What a top view of the Take a look at
that exhibit number from fourteen. What digital camera?
Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Is this a digital camera that we see pictured in
exhibit number sixteen.
Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Mai, I agree in particular thinks this is the same
camera that is depicted in the wash that's I was
collected from inside the water classic.
Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
It's someds inside the camera, right, Yes, how do you
know what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Looks like power chords some kinds, right, but uh.
Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
It's as far as you're concerned. The only thing that
was taken from that washing machine is the camera that's
in that exhibit.
Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
Correct, Yeah, that'd yah, I was grooved in the editiontive.
Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
The two fourteen. Would you accept that this power out
care taken or is it r or taken out?
Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Is it that two fourteen is admitted and it would
be repackaged.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Without the high work record?
Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Do you know whether or not there was a uh,
what was a sim card attached to this thing?
Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
There was a memory card in the side of the
washing machine. That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Please take a look at, uh, exhibit number fifteen. Do
you recognize that? Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:42:29):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
This is the memory card that was collected from inside
the one.
Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Woman that actually packaged it.
Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
I guess correct when it was originally in the envelope?
Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Yes, I know for the admission of Exhibit two fifteen,
Northgician M two fifteen to sixty Exibit two fifteen. And
what we're actually looking at is this square or rectangular
blue thing? Correct? Yes, it's not you know the dimensions
(01:43:00):
of this or is it just very small?
Speaker 9 (01:43:05):
It's small.
Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Let's take a look at exhibit number two torches. Do
you recognize that? Yes, I do. What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
This is what I labeled as a digital camera door
that was found at the bottom of the washing machine
and was collected.
Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Was this after the clothing had been removed? Yes, the
mission of exhibit number two.
Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
No objection on twenty is admitted.
Speaker 11 (01:43:34):
And then this is the item that you collect right here?
Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Correct? Yeah? Do you recognize your single photographs? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
I do.
Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
What do they show?
Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
They show the items that were removed from the washing
machine as an item number thirty nine laid out. It
also shows additional items of evidence that were identified to
be collected with evidence placards nine.
Speaker 9 (01:44:05):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
That's all the clothing items that were in that that one.
Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
I got for the admission of exhibits numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
No junction Yager Exhibits seventeen through twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Five are exhibit number seventeen. We see the placard thirty nine.
What is this up here?
Speaker 11 (01:44:32):
It's a towel, right and directly underneath it?
Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
What are those socks? And to the left those are
also socks.
Speaker 11 (01:44:41):
Okay, it does seem that.
Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Do you see this part up here on the towe
I do? It does seem that the towel is a
bit discolored. Doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:44:54):
Exhibit number eighteen.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Is that the same towel? Yes, it is, and it
shows this other end here right? Yes? What is this
right here? A T shirt? Or do you know what
this is right here?
Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
I know the glare is bad, but I don't recall
specifically the particular clothing items.
Speaker 11 (01:45:17):
And exhibit number nineteen, do you know what these are
right here?
Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Underwear?
Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
And this.
Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Another shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
And these rhythms.
Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
They appear to be short, they appear to be all
those items in the photographs.
Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
Take a look at what's in there and then tell
me this is the fact item your items?
Speaker 13 (01:46:04):
Do you regard.
Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
I remember for the admission of exhibit did you see
no old jersey?
Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Consider you see as admitted?
Speaker 7 (01:46:17):
Do you old play.
Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
That does have some spots on it?
Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
It does.
Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Are you familiar with UH what bleach is? Yes? I
am with bleach.
Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
It's a liquid that we use to clean our our
clean various things.
Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
And do you know what it bleach does to an
item that has color to it? It will take up
with regard to.
Speaker 7 (01:46:42):
The tow.
Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
The UH is that consistent with bleach being added to
the Lower Jersey Girls's regulation.
Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
You may answer yes or no. Overall?
Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
What is that a T shirt?
Speaker 9 (01:47:02):
Do you know what size?
Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
It is?
Speaker 8 (01:47:03):
A market medium?
Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
And does it also have some spotty there?
Speaker 9 (01:47:07):
Yes? It does?
Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Okay, let's see what I.
Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
What are those a pair of shorts?
Speaker 9 (01:47:17):
Let's see what else do we have?
Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
What is that a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Let's start with one socks? You you have a blue
sock in your left hand? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (01:47:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
What color of sock?
Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
Is that? Mostly gray?
Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Does it have any spotty li it?
Speaker 6 (01:47:32):
Yes it does?
Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Is that a black sock?
Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
So it is you not another sock? And and no
it not also another sock?
Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
Yes it is?
Speaker 9 (01:47:44):
Are those all the articles in porn in?
Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
They're not?
Speaker 7 (01:47:49):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
What else is a pair of s of pants?
Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Are you familiar with the term sweat pants?
Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:47:55):
And would that be what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (01:47:57):
What's side?
Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
They are marked men's large?
Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Anything else?
Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
And what is that a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Or what's the size of that T shirt?
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
Large?
Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Probably have that height of back.
Speaker 11 (01:48:21):
Let's take a look at another exhibit. It's exhibit number twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
And if we take a look at first of all,
exhibit thirty seven, what is that or item thirty seven
not exhibit thirty seven?
Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
I apologize that is the memory card that was originally
in the washing machine and then was collected as item
thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
And it's what was the color of that memory card.
Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
From my recollection? It's blue, okay? And then we have
some numbers here forty and forty one. First of all,
this appliance to.
Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
The right is a what that's a dryer? And now
we have a close up Exhibit twenty one one of
those items as in relation to the dryer, correct.
Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Yes, And what is item forty forty is a piece
of duct tape that was found on the floor in
the wall.
Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
And Exhibit twenty two shows as a close up of that,
right yes. Exhibit twenty three is the sim card that
we've been talking about, right, yes, it is an Exhibit
twenty four is a close up of that, right yes. Now,
(01:49:35):
Exhibit twenty five are a bunch of items, right, yes,
it is, and they were in the dryer.
Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
Do you know what was in the betting items?
Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Do you have your the exhibit up there that will
tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
What was it? I haven't labeled as betting items.
Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Exhibit thirty six, yes, well, sorry, thirty twenty eight, I
apologize twenty eight through. Well, let's do it this way
twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty and twenty six.
(01:50:12):
Recognize that, yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Those are photographs of the items from inside the dryer
as well as a photograph of them inside the dryer,
and there are these two in acurate depictions of those
items back when the investigation was conducted.
Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
In June of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
I moved for the admission of exhibits.
Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Number Exhibits twenty six through thirty.
Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
That is a view of the contents of the dryer
and the items that we're going to be collected.
Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
As exhibit number twenty seven. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
That is an overall photograph of all of the contents
of forty of the of the dryer that we're going
to be collected as forty one laid out separated.
Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
And Exhibit twenty eight what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
A portion of the contents of the dryer?
Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Thirty I'm sorry, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Those are additional contents of the dryer.
Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
And finally number thirty what is that?
Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
That is also something removed from the dryer.
Speaker 7 (01:51:24):
Take a look at.
Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Exhibit number two twelve.
Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
You got sor.
Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
I recognize this.
Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
What is it?
Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
This is the.
Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
All the contents of the dryer as a collected as
item forty one. I believe most they believe it is not.
It's excuse me, it is item forty one.
Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Oh do you need more gloves to open it and
get into that? If we're going to put them out
of the bucks?
Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Additional gloves?
Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Please? Would you like me to cut this open entirely.
Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
Just enough sort of you can pull the iron top
and the stacks.
Speaker 9 (01:52:18):
What is that.
Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
A pillow cake?
Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Is it all right to lay them directly on the
desk as I pull them out? Or would you like
them put back in the back?
Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Can feel comfort a little bit? About a seed at
the chair? What about that?
Speaker 9 (01:52:32):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
And what is that a pillow cake?
Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
And that it's another pillow case?
Speaker 9 (01:52:45):
That is what a towel?
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
What are those a pair of pants?
Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Do they have a size on them?
Speaker 7 (01:52:57):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:52:57):
They do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
What size is that beside a lark?
Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Is that an additional pillowcase? Yeah, it's another pillowcase.
Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Hows is not the last sight of in there?
Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
No?
Speaker 9 (01:53:21):
It's not all right? What do what do it?
Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
That?
Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
This is a bed covering of some sort with buttons.
Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Okay, so hey, what else is in that instead?
Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Where is that a fitted sheet?
Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
Anything else?
Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
What is that a flat sheet?
Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
And that another pillar case?
Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
I think that's all looking you happen in the product?
Yes it is is not happening every.
Speaker 9 (01:54:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Let me show you exhibits thirty one through forty and
do you recommend that? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
I do?
Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
What do you happen?
Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
These are photographs of a portion of the downstairs of
the house, to include the laundry room, office, and downstairs bathroom,
as well as items inside those rooms.
Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
And there are these true and uther depictions of the
scene as it exists in back age. You then to outday.
Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Exhibits thirty one through forty six are admitted.
Speaker 11 (01:54:53):
Start with exhibit thirty one, and what are we looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
That is another view of the laundry room from the
vantage point of the doorway leading into the garage into
the corner.
Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
What is this door here? Is this door leading to
the garage or is that the door leading somewhere else?
Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
That door leads into the house further in.
Speaker 11 (01:55:21):
And exhibit thirty two, what is this That is.
Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
The view into the laundry room through that doorway? That
we've just discussed.
Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Where is the doorway leading to the garage in this photograph?
Speaker 4 (01:55:34):
If you were to enter through that doorway, it would
be to your right.
Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Okay, thirty three this area here? What is this back here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
That's the laundry room.
Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
And what's to the lap here?
Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
Do you know there is a closet and a doorway
leading to an office space.
Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
And to the right here, what's there a bathroom? Do
you know what this item is here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
If you know, it looks like a punching.
Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Apart Exhibit thirty four. First of all, in the corner here,
what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
That's the doorway leading from the house into the laundry room.
Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
And what is right here.
Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
That is the entryway into the office space.
Speaker 11 (01:56:29):
Exhibit thirty five. First of all, we look what is
this right here?
Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
The laundry room and here the office space.
Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Exhibit number thirty six. What is that?
Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
That's the view of the office space from the doorway.
Speaker 11 (01:56:55):
Exhibit thirty seven is what a print view.
Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
In the office space from a different corner of the room.
Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Exhibit number thirty eight. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
That is the desk in the office space, and there
are items marked with evidence placards in that photograph this
up here?
Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
What is that appear? Do you see that white item there?
Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
It's a closet door.
Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Item.
Speaker 11 (01:57:27):
I'm sorry, Exhibit thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
What do we see here?
Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
That is a photograph of the item that was collected
as item thirty five lb. And it's a check.
Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Exhibit number two twenty.
Speaker 8 (01:57:43):
Recognize it?
Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
This is the box including the check that was collected
as item.
Speaker 11 (01:57:50):
Third move for the admission of exhibit no objection.
Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Exhibit two twenty two admitted that first of all, what
is the date on it? Five five eight?
Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
And what's the amount of the check? Two hundred?
Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
And who's the person? What's the account? What's the name
holder on the account? Jody Arius?
Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
It does have an address? Can you read that address
or not?
Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
I can?
Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
Nine six three four East Nido Avenue and Ido Mesa,
Arizona eight five two zero nine dash two.
Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
Two four three?
Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
And the person that it's made out to, Travis Alexander.
Speaker 11 (01:58:45):
And what's the amount of the check?
Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
I think you are.
Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Two hundred and zero cents?
Speaker 9 (01:58:52):
And what is it for?
Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Can you see what that's for?
Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
The note section indicates car payments Dash April and May
two thousand and eight, and is it.
Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Signed yes or no?
Speaker 7 (01:59:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Exhibit number forty is what what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
That's an additional view of a different corner of the
office space from a.
Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
Different Exhibit forty one. What do we see here?
Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
That's the final corner of the office space, and you're
seeing the entry doorway from where the photographer's standing.
Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
If we were to take a right, where would we
be headed towards out of the door?
Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
Right, you'd be headed towards the living area and kitchen
if you went to the right. If we were to
go left, where would be we be going the laundry
or Exhibit number forty two is what that's a photograph
of the downstairs bathroom from the doorway.
Speaker 11 (01:59:52):
Is that straight across from that door that we just saw.
Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
Essentially straight across maybe a bit to the left and across.
Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
And Exhibit forty three.
Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
Shows us what another view of the inside of that
downstairs bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Exhibit forty four, what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
That is a labeled stain that was tested by a
biology unit and that.
Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Has number three by there right Yes, Exhibit U forty
five is what.
Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
That's a view of a stain, a reddish brown stain
inside of the sink in that downstairs bathroom that was
tested by the biology unit. And Exhibit forty six shows
us what that's a close up of the stain from
inside the sink of the downstairs bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
Is forty seven through.
Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Where are these are photographs of the remainder of the house,
the downstairs portion of the house, the staircase leading to
the loft upstairs, and the stairway itself right again for.
Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
The depictions of when you were out of the scene
back into the Yes, their work. For the admission of
the tip. It's forty seven, no objection are.
Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
It's forty seven through sixty one are admitted?
Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:01:35):
That's a view of the dining room, living room area
and the hallway that led down to the office based
launder room and downstairs bathroom in the far portion of
the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
That's that punching apparatus that was in near that hallway.
Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
Number forty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
That's a view of the front door from that dining
room living room area.
Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Where's the laundry room door?
Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
From here it would be to your to my left
where your pen is leading.
Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Yes, and I guess we'll ask about this. Forty eight.
What is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
A floor cleaner of some kind. Forty nine that's a
view of the entry room and the front door.
Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
And what are these items here?
Speaker 9 (02:02:33):
Do you know.
Speaker 4 (02:02:35):
There are metal grids of materials that are linked together
by those round pieces.
Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
Exhibit number fifty is what.
Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
You're seeing a view of the kitchen from the area
that had the couches near the dining area.
Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Okay, And what's this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
That's the stair staircase Exhibit fifty one.
Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Do we see that same staircase?
Speaker 9 (02:03:08):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
Is that right there? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:03:11):
It is, GiB.
Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
That's a view from the hallway that you would enter
from the front door, looking into the dining kitchen, living
area and the beginning of the staircase.
Speaker 3 (02:03:27):
And these things right here?
Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
What are the those metal grids similar to what was
shown in that entry area, But.
Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
Those are not aligned in any way right? In other words,
you're not put up no ghibbit. Fifty three, Now what
are we looking.
Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
At You're seeing a view down the hallway towards the
laundry room, office space, bathroom as well as a portion
of the staircase to show their relationship to each other.
Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
And this is the staircase right here, yes it is.
Exhibit shows us.
Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
What that is a view of the staircase and what
you see from the bottom of the stairs.
Speaker 3 (02:04:08):
Exhibit fifty five.
Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
Is what a view from about halfway up the stairs
slightly more.
Speaker 11 (02:04:16):
Perhaps Exhibit fifty six is.
Speaker 4 (02:04:24):
That is showing a small possible piece of fabric that
was collected as an item of evidence.
Speaker 11 (02:04:36):
Exhibit number fifty seven, that is what.
Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
That's a close up of that that item that was
identified as an item of evidence and collected later on.
Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
Now number fifty eight, what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
That is a view from a corner of the loft
that is at the top of the staircase. It's showing
the area where the staircase ends and the entry into
the master bedroom.
Speaker 11 (02:05:03):
And is this the master bedroom door? Exhibit number fifty.
Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
Nine, that is showing a black bag that was identified
as an item of evidence to be collected in the loft.
Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
Are you familiar with the Exhibit number two thirty one
is what is it?
Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
This is the item that I collected as item number
twenty four lb. It's the doorknob from the right door
of the master bedroom double doors. Okay, where the ambition
of Exhibit number two thirty one the objection.
Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
None of your honor at it and describe the locking
and unlocking ass of this door appliance.
Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
The unlocking mechanism is a key hole, right. The locking
mechanism is a flat piece that's turned.
Speaker 11 (02:06:32):
Which one was on the inside and which one was
on the outside of that door.
Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
The inside was the locking mechanism which has the flat
piece that turns, and the exterior doorknob wherest the one
that has the unlocking key mechanism on it.
Speaker 3 (02:06:47):
So, in order to get into that room if it
had been locked from the inside, would a person need
a key? Yes? And in order to lock it if
you were inside, would a person need a key or
would they just need to burn an or that item?
Speaker 4 (02:07:02):
Never, a key would not be necessary.
Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
So does that mean that the person could just turn
the little knob there or bob or whatever they close
it from the inside and lock it. Yes, Exhibit two
thirty one. The item that we're looking here at here
(02:07:28):
is that the inside or the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:07:30):
It was the interior doorknomb And you were.
Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Talking about turning this is what you would turned correct,
yes to lock it? And this portion of it right
here is that the inside or the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
That was the exterior side of the doorknob, and that's.
Speaker 11 (02:07:44):
The one that would require the key, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (02:07:49):
Exhibit number sixty is what what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
That is a closer view of that lack bag from
the loft that was collected as item thirty one LB.
Speaker 11 (02:08:00):
And Exhibit sixty one.
Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:08:08):
That's a view of the contents of that black bag.
Speaker 3 (02:08:12):
Take a look at Exhibits two thirteen. Do you recognize it?
Speaker 4 (02:08:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:08:24):
I do?
Speaker 7 (02:08:25):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
This is the black camera bag that was collected as
item thirty one lb.
Speaker 6 (02:08:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Two thirteen is admitted.
Speaker 11 (02:08:38):
You want gloves or this or not?
Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
I prefer gloves.
Speaker 3 (02:08:41):
Yes, get a fourth Hey, I don't put an out.
Speaker 7 (02:08:50):
I would have to strap.
Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
A lens attachment of.
Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
That appears to be everything hard. Let's take a look
at it Exhibits sixty two through seventy two. You recognize those? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:09:19):
I do?
Speaker 7 (02:09:20):
What are they?
Speaker 4 (02:09:21):
The su These are photographs of the entry uh into
the master bedroom, the master bedroom itself, the master bedroom closet,
and a portion of the bathroom. In the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Number sixty two. Do you remember Seventh.
Speaker 2 (02:09:42):
Council exhibits sixty three, sixty four and sixty eight have
already been.
Speaker 9 (02:09:46):
No objection to.
Speaker 12 (02:09:49):
Those those photos previously not admitted being admitted.
Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Alright, sixty two through seventy two will be admitted.
Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
Look at that and what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
That is the view into the master bedroom from the doorway.
Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
And we've taken a look at the lock or the
door handle, haven't way before? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:10:15):
We have.
Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
Exhibit number.
Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
Sixty five shows us what a view of the bedroom,
the master bedroom, and specifically what the bed and one
of the sides of the bedroom in this one, we
see that the bedding, if you will, is crumpled up
on the bed.
Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
Do you see that?
Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:10:38):
Is that the way the bed was found when you
were there?
Speaker 4 (02:10:43):
That was how it appeared when I was there.
Speaker 11 (02:10:44):
Yet sixty six shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:10:49):
That's another view of the bed from the opposite side,
and more of the bedroom itself.
Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
That is a doorway leading one one of the doorways
in the master bedroom closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
So where does it lead to?
Speaker 4 (02:11:05):
Is there more than two doors from the bedroom going
into the bedroom closet. No, that's the doorway from the
bedroom to the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
All right. Exhibit sixty seven. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:11:19):
That is a view from inside the master bedroom of
that doorway from the bedroom to the closet, the entryway
to the hallway that leads down to the bathroom, and
the door into the master bedroom.
Speaker 3 (02:11:33):
Exhibit sixty nine shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:11:37):
That is a view of the interior of the master
bedroom closet from that doorway from the bedroom into the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:11:45):
And what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:11:48):
That is a doorway leading from the master bedroom closet
into the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
While you were there, did you notice whether or not
there was any blood in this area here in the
master bedroom.
Speaker 4 (02:12:01):
I did not see any blood in that area or
red staining.
Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
And if it had been there and marked, would you
have photographed it?
Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
What was the protection?
Speaker 3 (02:12:10):
It's outside your scope?
Speaker 13 (02:12:12):
Overload, you may answer.
Speaker 4 (02:12:14):
Can you please repeat the.
Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
Qu if there was a stain that was marked there,
would you have to photographed it? Yes? And were you
the person I actually actually look for these stains or not?
I was not, okay, But you would have photographed anything
that was marked there? Correct?
Speaker 9 (02:12:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:12:32):
Number seventy What do we see here.
Speaker 4 (02:12:38):
That's a deeper view into the closet from that same
vantage point, showing some of the contents. And this right
here that is the doorway leading into the master bathroom
from the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
And if we look down here, what is this area here.
Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
Carpeting inside the closet.
Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
Okay, in this right here.
Speaker 4 (02:13:01):
That's tile in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
Exhibit seventy one. If we start at the top, what
are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
That is a view into the master bathroom from the
doorway in the closet leading into the bathroom. And this
right here is what carpeting and right here tile.
Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
And then if we go back here, what is this
area here.
Speaker 4 (02:13:27):
The vanity and sinks from within the master bathroom. And
this right here, what is that a door for a
linen closet inside the master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:13:37):
And this hallway that we've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
Take a look at Exhibit number sixty seven told us
about this hallway. Here we take a look at the
exhibit number seventy one. Where would the hallway be in
relationship to this door Sake, it's.
Speaker 9 (02:14:02):
To the right.
Speaker 3 (02:14:03):
So when we write down this way, that's correct. Exhibit
seventy two starting here? What is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:14:13):
That is the door and doorway that is leading to
the bedroom closet.
Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
And this right here is what a portion of that halloway.
Speaker 4 (02:14:22):
We've discussed that what I didn't hear you? I think
the hallway that we've discussed. And this right here is
what the door for the linen closet that's in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
Where does this hallway lead.
Speaker 4 (02:14:36):
To the master bedroom?
Speaker 3 (02:14:38):
And if we take a look at exhibit number sixty seven,
is this what you're talking about the hallway that.
Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
We just discussed, Yes, it is. And this right here
is the bathtub and the bathroom. And right here that's
the shower, and this that's the victim inside of the shower.
Speaker 3 (02:15:07):
And this greenish bluish I believe it's a road.
Speaker 8 (02:15:16):
Through eighty eighty two, eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Where are they?
Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
These are photographs of the victim, additional photographs of the
bathroom and some items from inside the bathroom.
Speaker 7 (02:15:45):
And again, were they.
Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
As they existed back in June of two thousand and eight, Yes,
move for the admission of exhibit seventy seventh through.
Speaker 7 (02:15:57):
Eight eighty two.
Speaker 3 (02:16:03):
Through eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Objections Exhibits seventy seven through eighty seven are in'ted.
Speaker 11 (02:16:15):
Exhibit number seventy six.
Speaker 3 (02:16:19):
What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:16:21):
That's a photograph of the victim inside of the shower
and a plastic cup that was found in the shower
with the victim.
Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
Take a look at Exhibit two thirty.
Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
Recognize it?
Speaker 3 (02:16:39):
Yes, I do?
Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
What is it? This is that plastic cup from inside
the shower.
Speaker 3 (02:16:44):
It looks kind of black or dark? Is that mold
or what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:16:48):
This item was processed in the laboratory for Lady Prince, and.
Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
You indicated that there was a couple of processes that
could be used, one of them being powder and the
other one with a lucal crystal wat.
Speaker 7 (02:17:02):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:17:03):
Those were types of processing that we do in a scene, right, yes,
but in this one how it would use Right? This
item was brought back to the laboratory and was processed
with a variety of different things. Right, and where any
results are taken, I mean refers to my report. No,
(02:17:26):
no latent prints were developed on the plastic cut.
Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
One of the things that you told us was that
there were environmental factors that would affect whether or not
and not an individual leads or latent fingerprint. Do you
remember we discussed that earlier?
Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
With regard to water, if water is run on an item,
is will that affect the ability to later obtain a
latent fingerprint? It can?
Speaker 9 (02:17:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:17:46):
Why in some cases, if water is run over a surface,
it may obscure that latent impression that was left behind.
It could wash away the residue or something of that nature.
Speaker 3 (02:18:00):
And how about if the person is turning with the
cup as they're doing whatever it is they're doing with.
Speaker 4 (02:18:05):
It, with that also fact whether or not they might
leave behind a usable latent fingerprint. How an item is
handled will always affect how whether or not a laighton
print is left behind or not.
Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
I'm moved for the admission of an objection is admitted.
Speaker 11 (02:18:29):
Exhibit number seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (02:18:33):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (02:18:36):
It's a lower view of the victim inside of the
shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:18:40):
And what is this right here? Is that the wall?
Speaker 7 (02:18:44):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
Is what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
Yes, it's the wall of the shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:18:48):
And is his this is his right foot correct?
Speaker 5 (02:18:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:18:54):
It is Is that touching that wall? Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:18:56):
It is.
Speaker 11 (02:18:57):
How about the left knee is that also touching the wall?
Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
Yes? And if we look over here to the right.
What portion of its anatomy is that his right knee?
Is that touching the wall?
Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
Also, it looks like it is. I don't know specifically
if it is or not.
Speaker 3 (02:19:14):
If we go back to Exhibit number seventy six, his head, correct, Yes,
it is. Is that up against the portion of the
shower there? Yes, Now, Exhibits seventy eight, we're starting to
see first of all, the victim's body here.
Speaker 4 (02:19:32):
Correct, That is the victim inside the shower stall.
Speaker 9 (02:19:35):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:19:36):
And two, three and four what are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:19:39):
Those were some hair and fiber like materials that were
found around the shower stall that were designated to be
collected as items of evidence.
Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
And Exhibit number seventy nine we're also looking at this
area here right.
Speaker 4 (02:19:55):
Two is actually just indicating the hairs that you see
here on the floor, right. But you can see the
red staining in this photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:20:04):
And this is what is this the trim right here?
Speaker 4 (02:20:07):
Baseboard trim of some kind yess.
Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
And there's also some staining up here, correct, Yes, And
there's also staining here.
Speaker 7 (02:20:13):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (02:20:16):
Exhibit number eighty is.
Speaker 4 (02:20:21):
What that's a fiber like material that was found on
the floor in the bathroom that was collected as item
number three.
Speaker 11 (02:20:29):
LB and exhibit number eighty two.
Speaker 4 (02:20:34):
We're now looking at what you can see a small
portion of the shower stall with the victim inside the
bathtub and a doorway leading into what I called the
toilet room. The toilet's contained in that room. There's a
door and then a portion of the bathroom to the
right side of the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:20:52):
What's this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:20:54):
It's a towel.
Speaker 3 (02:20:55):
Take a look at that exhibit number two twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:21:04):
Yes, I recognize it.
Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
This is that same towel from the master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:21:09):
Where is there one or two towels there?
Speaker 4 (02:21:13):
I believe there's only one.
Speaker 11 (02:21:14):
When you say you believe it means you're not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Why don't you go ahead and hope it and take
a look at it and make sure?
Speaker 4 (02:21:18):
Okay, single towel.
Speaker 3 (02:21:27):
Why don't you hold it? What's the exhibit number other place?
Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
That's the green tag.
Speaker 11 (02:21:34):
Two two eight I moved for the admission of exhibit.
Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
Twenty eight to twenty eight is admitted.
Speaker 9 (02:21:40):
What did you.
Speaker 3 (02:21:43):
Take a look at the label? See or a sad one?
Speaker 4 (02:21:48):
It says bianca bia nca concept by Mundo textile m
U N D O T E X T I L
all one word.
Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Good.
Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
This is the how that you previously looved.
Speaker 7 (02:22:19):
That it is from.
Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
Exhibit number two sixteen, from the wahhirt. Do you remember
talking about that? Yes?
Speaker 7 (02:22:28):
I do.
Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
Why don't you reach a label? All this pot.
Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
Flabeled THEONPA concept buying Mundo tex style.
Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
Do the l at least the labels are they from?
Do the labels branch? How about that?
Speaker 7 (02:22:43):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:22:43):
They do?
Speaker 13 (02:22:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
And if we call these two up, I'll hold this
one here and you hold the other one up. They
seem to be a little bit different in shapes. Correct,
Yes they do. And also one is spotted and what
is not right? That's correct. Exhibit eighty three shows us,
(02:23:09):
first of all, what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:23:11):
That's the victim inside of the shower stall. And this
is the bathroom. And this right here some staining or
some material that was seen on the wall by the
shower stall.
Speaker 3 (02:23:25):
Exhibit number eighty four.
Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
We're looking at what that is a view of the
bathtub inside the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:23:32):
And this room was what again I called.
Speaker 4 (02:23:35):
It the toilet room. It's the room that contained the
toilet in the bathroom. And what is this right here
that is red staining reddish brown staining that was seen
on the wall or doorge jam.
Speaker 3 (02:23:45):
I may have to show you the photograph because of
the glare on this one. You know what this is
down here?
Speaker 11 (02:23:52):
If you want, I'll bring the photograph up there.
Speaker 4 (02:23:53):
That's a bath mat.
Speaker 3 (02:23:55):
Okay, This right here, that's the bath mat, right yes,
number eighty five. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:24:10):
That's another view of the same bath mat that we discussed.
Speaker 3 (02:24:13):
And this right here on the left, what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:24:15):
That is the door jam of the entry into the
toilet room with the red staining that we saw on
the previous photograph. And this right here is what's more staining.
Speaker 3 (02:24:25):
And down here on the ground is more.
Speaker 4 (02:24:28):
Reddish brown substance. And this right here it's also a
reddish brown stain on the mat, correct, correct? And this
right here is what right there additional staining. The towels
that we looked at are where are they in relationship
to this staining? Right here where I'm pointing to the
(02:24:48):
towel that is in front of me is directly above,
maybe slightly further back from that. It's hanging from that wall.
Speaker 7 (02:24:56):
In the photograph.
Speaker 3 (02:25:00):
Exhibit eighty six. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:25:09):
That's a view of some of the staining on the
walls and tile floor of the master bathroom, showing the
entry into the toilet room. And you can see more
of the bathroom itself. And this up here, that's this
towel here.
Speaker 3 (02:25:24):
Exhibit eighty seven is what that's a more mid range
close up view of the reddish.
Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
Staining that's on the door jam and some of the
floor leading into the toilet room.
Speaker 3 (02:25:35):
You see that right back there?
Speaker 4 (02:25:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:25:38):
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:25:38):
What is that more reddish brown staining that was on
the bottom bottom pedestal of the toilet.
Speaker 9 (02:25:45):
Okay, we're sure.
Speaker 3 (02:25:46):
You've exhibits eight through one. Please take a look at those.
(02:26:09):
Do you recognize what's in what's in these photographs?
Speaker 1 (02:26:11):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:26:11):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:26:12):
What what do they show?
Speaker 4 (02:26:14):
Those are photographs of the master bathroom, including staining, shows
the sink area, and the interior of the linen closet
that's also in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:26:24):
Are they true and avert depictions of the scene when
you were worked on it back in June of two
thousand and eight? Yes, they are.
Speaker 2 (02:26:31):
Eight Exhibit's eighty eight through one sixteen or admitted.
Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
Start with eighty eight, and we are looking at what
here that's a view of the toilet inside of the room,
the toilet.
Speaker 3 (02:26:49):
Room eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (02:26:54):
We're looking at what now that's showing the reddish staining
that's on the pedestal that toilet and that would be
right there, Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 11 (02:27:05):
Number ninety is what.
Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
A closer view of those stains?
Speaker 3 (02:27:12):
And these are at right here? Correct?
Speaker 4 (02:27:14):
Yes they are.
Speaker 11 (02:27:17):
Ninety one is.
Speaker 3 (02:27:21):
What is this here?
Speaker 4 (02:27:23):
This is showing staining on both the tile floor and
the wall. You can see the entry to the toilet
room on the left side of the photograph, and that's
the wall that would be along the side of the
toilet room that we've seen another photographs.
Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
And this is Is this the wall where the towel is? Yes,
and this is the staining that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Yes, that's correct. And is this also a stain here
on the left, Yes, it is ninety two. If we
go to the upper right, what do we see up here?
That's this towel and which point.
Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
Ninety three is what?
Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
That is a view of one of the corners of
the bathroom from around the area where the shower stall
would be. From that direction to the corner of the
bathroom and what is this right here the sinks within
the bathroom?
Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
Ninety four shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:28:21):
Some of the floor in that master bathroom, the walls,
the reddish staining, and two scales that were inside that bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
Ninety five.
Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
That is a mid range photograph of one of the
scales with placard number fifteen because that item was collected
as fifteen lb.
Speaker 3 (02:28:37):
By me.
Speaker 11 (02:28:40):
And number ninety six.
Speaker 4 (02:28:45):
That depicts the scale and also what was beyond the
vanity in the bathroom containing the sinks. So you can
see a trash can and some staining near that scale.
Speaker 3 (02:28:57):
And is this staining here too or not?
Speaker 4 (02:29:00):
I don't recall.
Speaker 11 (02:29:03):
Ninety seven is what.
Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
That is a view of the vanity and sinks in
the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:29:11):
And you found this this was open when you were there, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:29:16):
To the best of my recollection.
Speaker 9 (02:29:17):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:29:20):
Ninety eight. What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:29:23):
That is spreadish brown staining and reddish brown substance that
was inside and on top of the sink in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 11 (02:29:39):
Ninety nine is what what are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
That's another view of the right side sink in the
master bathroom with staining. There's also scales in the photograph
that were placed in order to do additional documentation photographs
of that staining within the mirror sink area.
Speaker 3 (02:30:02):
And one hundred is what.
Speaker 4 (02:30:06):
Another view of the same staining with the scales for reference,
and it also shows us the edge here, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (02:30:14):
Yes? It does, and it does have right does it
have red staining on it? Yes?
Speaker 9 (02:30:18):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:30:19):
There is something here on the upper lap.
Speaker 9 (02:30:21):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:30:22):
That is a letter marker D to indicate which area
was photographed.
Speaker 11 (02:30:34):
And Exhibit one oh one shows as what.
Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
A closer view of the staining that would be within
that D area or Quadra one two. That's an overhead
view of the sink on the right side and the
staining within on top of the sink and countertop.
Speaker 11 (02:30:53):
This looks like a wipe pattern. Are you familiar with
like wiping or not?
Speaker 4 (02:30:58):
I don't do blood scatter, okay? Interpretation one O three
shows us what now a closer view of some of
the staining on the sink.
Speaker 3 (02:31:10):
That's actually inside the sink with the outlet valve there.
Speaker 4 (02:31:14):
Right, that's correct, It was both inside the sink and
on top of the.
Speaker 3 (02:31:20):
One oh four. What are we looking at there?
Speaker 4 (02:31:24):
That's another overhead view of the staining on the sink
and the vanity top with some scales and letter and
number designators.
Speaker 3 (02:31:34):
This bottle that's here, Do you see whether or not
it has any staining on it? Can you tell?
Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
I see standing around it. I'm not sure if there's any.
Speaker 9 (02:31:43):
On the bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:31:44):
Take a look at the exhibit.
Speaker 4 (02:31:46):
It appears that they're standing on the bottle.
Speaker 3 (02:31:48):
Yes, Bob was not knocked over right, No, it's not.
And one O five we're looking at these patterns, whatever
they may be, on a different portion of the sink, right, Yes,
(02:32:10):
in terms of coloring, these on the left look a
lot darker than the ones on the right. Correct, Yes,
they do. One O six Now it's over more to
the right, and we see that that's staining there, correct, ye?
(02:32:32):
One O seven is what?
Speaker 4 (02:32:35):
That's a photograph of the staining on the sink from
a different viewpoint, shows the edge of the sink and
some of the spatter inside of the sink running down
right here.
Speaker 3 (02:32:51):
Went awight?
Speaker 4 (02:32:52):
Is that is a photograph of the staining that I
designated D one. That area was slobbed and collected as
a sample.
Speaker 3 (02:33:11):
And one on nine what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:33:15):
That is the linen closet or closet that's in the
master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:33:20):
And this right here, see this right here.
Speaker 4 (02:33:24):
That's red staining substance that's on the tile in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:33:29):
I want you to look at this box and there
you go. Can you see that box there? Yes? I can.
Do you see this right here on the bottom of
that box? Yes, I do.
Speaker 9 (02:33:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:33:40):
We can look at it, but you were there? Can
you describe it any better than what our eyes are
looking at?
Speaker 4 (02:33:46):
It was a light gradient of red staining running up
the box. What appeared to be running up the box.
Speaker 3 (02:33:53):
And in front of it, is this red larger stain?
Speaker 9 (02:33:58):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (02:33:58):
And where these also stay here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:01):
Yes they are?
Speaker 3 (02:34:05):
And why I have this this, of course, is what's
this white thing here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
That's the door to that closet in the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
You know what this is right here?
Speaker 4 (02:34:17):
Yes I do.
Speaker 3 (02:34:19):
I'm gonna bring it in a little bit. What is that?
Speaker 4 (02:34:24):
That is a cartridge casing that was found on the
floor in the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:34:28):
And did you seize that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:34:30):
I did.
Speaker 3 (02:34:33):
We're you going to take a look at that exhibit.
Speaker 7 (02:34:54):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (02:34:55):
That's the cartridge casing that I collected as.
Speaker 11 (02:34:56):
Number one lb for the admission of Exhibit number two eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
Objection two sixteen eighteen is admitted packaged.
Speaker 3 (02:35:06):
Did you notice the caliber of it right down? The
caliber of it or not?
Speaker 4 (02:35:10):
I documented what was written on the head stamp of
the cartridge casing. Yes, and what was written on the
head stamp of this cartridge casing WI N twenty five auto.
Speaker 3 (02:35:22):
Do you know what WIN stands for? It may not
be your area, it's not my area. Do you know
what the twenty five stands for?
Speaker 4 (02:35:29):
I believe it's the caliber, but I don't work.
Speaker 3 (02:35:31):
Its Okay, let's look a little bit at a wider
view of this. That's the casing. And then we've looked
at this area. Here, pan out a little bit more
and what is this right here?
Speaker 4 (02:35:55):
That's the cartridge casing and this up here is the
right side sinking.
Speaker 3 (02:36:05):
Exhibit number one ten shows us what.
Speaker 4 (02:36:09):
That's a closer view of the cartridge casing on the
bathroom floor.
Speaker 3 (02:36:13):
And it also shows us that there's what you see
this right up here.
Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
There's red staining and red substance all over the floor
as well.
Speaker 11 (02:36:23):
And Exhibit one eleven shows us.
Speaker 4 (02:36:26):
A closer view of the cartridge casing and this right here.
Speaker 11 (02:36:30):
Is just some red staining.
Speaker 3 (02:36:31):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:36:33):
It may be stating the obvious, but I'm going to
ask you to the naked eye, your eye and you
were there.
Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
Is there any staining on the top of this casing
that's in this red stain? Not that I see.
Speaker 4 (02:36:58):
See that it's a little blurry, but I still don't
stand any red staining on.
Speaker 3 (02:37:03):
The top Exhibit number one twelve, Now what are we
looking at here? Starting with this corner here, what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
That's the sink or a portion of the sink pedestal.
And this down here is that's the cartridge casing and
it's photographed with evidence placard number one.
Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
And up here that's a towel.
Speaker 4 (02:37:27):
And down here that's the hallway that leads from the
master bedroom to the master bathroom or vice versa. And
right here that is the doorway leading from the bathroom
into the closet.
Speaker 11 (02:37:39):
Exhibit one thirteen is the staining and.
Speaker 4 (02:37:44):
What a view a mid range view of item number
one LB with a placard one and it shows some
staining there also it does.
Speaker 11 (02:37:54):
One fourteen is the.
Speaker 3 (02:37:57):
Placard and a close up of the case. Correct, yes,
it is. Exhibit number one shows us the box right correct,
and then it shows us the items in the closet.
Number eleven. What is number eleven?
Speaker 4 (02:38:18):
It's a USB thumb drive that was a target's brand
that was collected from inside that closet. A what now
am the USB storage device?
Speaker 3 (02:38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:38:28):
Thumb drive.
Speaker 3 (02:38:30):
That was number What number was that?
Speaker 4 (02:38:32):
That was eleven?
Speaker 3 (02:38:33):
And what was number ten?
Speaker 4 (02:38:34):
Then it's a prepaid legal services business card?
Speaker 3 (02:38:39):
Okay? And now one sixteen? What are we looking at here?
Speaker 4 (02:38:46):
That is red substance staining. That's on the floor in
the master bathroom and hallway to the master bathroom.
Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
And now are we headed into the master bathroom and bedroom.
Speaker 4 (02:38:58):
Now you're heading down the hallway towards the master bedroom
in that to the rights.
Speaker 3 (02:39:03):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39:07):
Wanting to take the weekend recess, can we step down?
Please return January eighth at ten thirty. All right, ladies
and gentlemen, there will be no trial Tomorrow Friday, no
trial Monday the seventh. You should also return on Tuesday,
January eighth, at ten thirty. I know every day I
(02:39:29):
ask you to follow the admonition. Page thirteen of your
preliminary instructions contains that admonition since.
Speaker 1 (02:39:38):
We are about to recess for the weekend. I want
to remind you of your obligations.
Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
It is your duty not to speak with or permit
yourselves to be addressed by any person on any subject.
Speaker 1 (02:39:50):
Connected with this trial.
Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
If someone should try to talk to you about the case,
stop him or her or walk away. If you should
overhear others talking about the case, stop them or walk away.
If anything like this does happen, report it to me
or any member of my staff as soon as you can.
You may not discuss the evidence among yourselves until you
(02:40:14):
retire to deliberate on your verdict. Do not form any
final opinions about any fact or about the outcome of
the case until you have heard and considered all of
the evidence, the closing arguments, and the rest of the
instructions I will give you on the lot.
Speaker 1 (02:40:29):
Keep an open mind during the trial.
Speaker 2 (02:40:31):
Form your final opinions only after you have had an
opportunity to discuss the case with each other in the
jury room at the end of the trial. All right,
one more time, has anyone had any exposure to the
media regarding this case?
Speaker 13 (02:40:45):
Anyone at all?
Speaker 2 (02:40:48):
I see no hands. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Thank
you very much. We will see you on Tuesday ten
thirty am.
Speaker 13 (02:40:54):
Have a nice weekendstats USU
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