January 14, 2024 • 23 mins
E10: Dee Dee Blanchard Murder Trial Day 3.1 Gypsy Blanchard takes the stand to testify
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All live, please be seated?All right? Are we ready for your
witnesses? Yes? And uh givemister photos. Let's go on. Do
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they call them? Can you seeversus good? We don't matter. Parties
are all present jury, it's notpresent. So I understanding that you wish
to call miss Blanchard is your firstweeks? Yes, I recalls the blander
deit and alright they does agreed.You're gonna have her seated? Yes before
the jury brie the misery, andthen we'll go through. Hopefully we'll be
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able to do it without a recess, but if not, we'll take a
recessment. They won't see her walkingbecause she's ha to give this pantry and
her to turn it is you?What about that you have this one?
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Rist lacher is the way to seeit? Yeah? If you kick can
have a seed. There's water therefor you. It's a speci one.
It's subtle. Day is all theraid with your father far ranger? Any
usually say when you recall fall riseplease be seen. Mister Parry, do
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you have a wit that you wishkiptynes your judgement displat ye? Would you
raise? You're right here? Whenyou saw on switter what the customary you
are about to get to the causenow or before the course the movie with
Drew the whole vieing about the gamein the sum of people. Thank you,
sir. Please tell us your name? Chips, you get part of
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that? Yep? I did you? Did you? What do you go
like? It's okay a gypsy?Could you speak of just a bit?
I'm having a little trouble here inOkay? That charitable move would get hold
the life rophone if you want totake it out. Just looks it was
straight out here you Is that better? That's that's much better? Uh?
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How old are you? What you'shappened? Where were you born? Were
you s from the museum? Wherewere you living in the summer of two
thousand fifteen? In Did you havea two thousand fifteen Springfield RD? Do
you remember the address? I don'tremember? Nows Uh. How long had
you lived at that address in Springfield? About seven years? And prior to
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that, where did you live?It's fly down Louisia. And when did
you move to to Missouri in twothousand and five? And who did you
move to Missouri with? My mother? And what was her tone? Claudine
of Blancher. Did she go byany other names? D? M so
uh, I say, D youdon't know who you're talking who I'm talking
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about? Yes, sir. Doyou know that Nicholas go to John?
Yes? Sir? And when didyou meet Nicholas go to John? In
October two thousand and twelve. Howdid you meet him on an online Christian
dating website? Do you remember thename of that site? Christian Dating for
free dot com. How old wereyou when you met Yeah about twenty one
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in June of two thousand fifteen.What did you consider your relationship to Neck
to be kind of relationship we wereboyfriend and girlfriends? And when did you
become boyfriend and girlfriends? In Octoberabout two thousand and twelve. When did
you personally Nick in person? Marchtwo thousand and fifteen. So between October
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of two thousand twelve and March oftwo thousand and fifteen, you hadn't actually
met Nick in person, that's correct. How did you h how? How?
What type of relationship did you havehere in that period of friend online
relationship? And by online? Whatyou need strictly communicating through Facebook any other
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ways of live than Facebook, institects, messaging, email, all by way
of computer and cellphones? Yes,sir. Did you send videos to each
to each other? Yes, sir. Prior to March of fifteen, when
you indicated you met mister Godie Johnsat the first time in person, had
your mother met him? No,sir. Did she know the existed?
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No, sir. Why is thatshe didn't know? Because it was a
secret relationship and my mother would neverallow me to have a boyfriend. Why
not because she controlled every aspect ofmine. Did you and Nick ever talk
about the fact that you were notallowed to date? Yes? How many
times did you think? I don'tremember. Did you and your mother ever
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have any discussions about whether you wereever gonna be able to date? Yes,
sir. Did you in Nick talkabout that? What you may have?
What did your mother say about yourability to date going forward? She
said that it would never happen,that she never allowed. What about marriage?
Did you and your nig ever talkabout marriage? Yeah? Did you
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and your mother ever discuss whether ornot you would be able to get married
some day? Yes? What didshe tell you she said that she wouldn't
allow. Did June of two thousandfifteen, Uh, were you in a
wheelchair? Yes, didn't you didn'tknow you were in a wheelchair? Yeah?
Why were you in a wheelchair inin June of two thousand fifteen?
Because my mother forced me to beany one? You know why you were
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forced to be in a wheel chair? No, sir, she just forced
me to be in one. Howlong at had you been in a wheelchair
as a June two thousand and fifteen, since probably I was about eight years
old. Was there a time betweenyou when you first were put in a
wheel chair in June of two thousandand fifteen? Did you figured out that
you really didn't need to be ina wheel chair? Yes? When was
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that? I always knew that Ididn't need the wheelchair? And how did
you know that? Cause I couldwalk? Did you and your mother obtain
any kind of advantage by you beingin a wheelchair? Yes, sir.
What kind of advantage did you obtain? Financial attention, charity, financially need
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money? Yes, sir. Didyou obtain money as a result of you
been in a wheelchair? Yes?Sir? M M. How that you
work out? How thats good?I'm I'm gonna be after the relevance of
that. There's been no connections thatyou depended. Well, I'm assuming this
prayer you're gonna talk with so kindof the world right now. Did did
you and they ever talk about itthe fact that that you didn't need to
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be in a wheelchair? Yes,you ever talking about why you were required
to be in a wheelchair? Yes, all of the google of teacher.
Could you tell the jury why itis that you obtained money as a result
of being in a wheelchair because peoplefelt sorry for me and they would do
what the just I'm I'm just gonnaget to the general relevance at this point,
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all of love, for the timethat you may answer me. What
was the question thing that I'm sorry? Uh, I asked you why you
obtained in the batage for being ina wheelchair? You said, people gave
me money, and I I thinkmy next question was why did they give
you money because they felt sorry forme? They believed the why they believed
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the fraud. When did you tellNick about the wheelchair? Did you be
in a wheelchair? I think theywould been a month or so after we
met. When did you tell Ythat you didn't need to be in a
wheelchair in your entire relationship? Sowas your relationship again in October of two
thousand twelve, It would have beensometime in two thousand thirteen that you first
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told him that you really didn't needto be in a wheelchair, That is
correct. Were you ill during thisperiod of time? No, sir?
Did you Did you ever tell Nickthat you were ill or that you had
illnesses? I told him that Ihad illnesses, Yes, sir. Did
you ever tell him that you thatyou really weren't yelling? Yes, sir.
When did you tell him you reallyweren't yield the same time that I
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told him that I didn't need tobe in the little What illnesses? Did
you believe you had cancer? Mustthe other district? Faith? I needed
glasses, I needed hearing aids.It's your disorder. And I can't remember
when and when did you figure outthat you weren't actually sick. I started
to piece things together when I wasabout nineteen years old. Then I didn't
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understand the full extent of how healthyI was until after I got arrested.
So even at the time, uh, even as a June of two thousand
fifteen, you you still believed youhad the time of the illness, Yes,
sir. Did you ever run away? Yes, sir, When did
you and my runaway, I meanfrom your mother? Yes, sir.
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When did you run away in thespring of two thousand eleven? Did you
tell Bigger about that? Yes,sir. When did you tell Bigger?
I don't remember in the exact time. Was it before your mother's murdered?
Yeah? Did you ever consider runningaway after that? After your r after
you ran away in two thousand eleven, Yes, but I knew that and
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it ended badly. What happened whenyou ran? O tell us about running
away in two thousand and eleven.It was in the middle of the night,
and I packed a small bag ofstuff and my mother went to sleep,
So I left the house and Imet up with one of my friends.
And where did you go to?First at Mercy Hospital in Springfield and
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then to hit And at some pointdid your mom e got where you work?
Yes, sir, when moved backfour hours later. What happened when
your mother, if you got whereyou worked? She took me back home,
She smashed my computer and myself.She trained me to a bed for
two weeks. Do you ever tellme about all that? Yes? The
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only time you ran away? Didyou ever see any other physical views as
a result of running away over thenwent did you party show the jury?
Yes, whatever the us heading punchingservation. Did you tell me everything that
that happened between me and your motherduring the course of your relationship with him?
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Most, but not all, allthe stuff we've talked about is the
stuff you actually did tell him.Yes, and stuff he knew as of
June two thousand fifteen. Mm.And when did you tell him these things
all at once? We were overa period of time, over the period
beginning at what point in the relationhe knew the same one that my mother
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never allowed me to date. ButI don't remember exactly when I told him
every single little detail that was goingon in my home life. But you
did tell tell him everything? Youdid tell him by the time of June
two thousand fifteen. Yes, sir, I assume since you believed you you'd
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be sick, you met regularly withdoctors, Yes, sir. Did you
also meet with social workers or doyou remember that? No, sirr I
don't remember. Why didn't you tellyour doctors like you didn't really think you
needed to do a wiltiare do I'lli'll object to the relative of that that
so oft like the stat that dependedwould happen which your career gues, I
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think it Israel and he goes tohe wrote, goes why this will be
happened? Uh, the fact thatI've drag to explained that I really don't
explaining on the record you give canwe go back and do it? I'm
gonna allow it to the time beingwhat started get too far afield you.
But do you need to question repeatthe place? Yes? Please? Do
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you repeat it? I would beglad you. Why did you not tell
doctors that you knew you could walk? Or you didn't do yourself to be
guilt during the time that you weredoing this, I didn't think that anyone
would believe me. I thought theywould eventually tell my mom and that would
make my home life even worse forme. I feared her more than I
feared to anyone else Where's your fatherduring this time, Louisiana? Did you
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ever talk to your father while youwere in Missouri? It's a complicated answer.
Did you ever speak to Momabum?I did, but my mother was
always present. Did you ever tellhim what was going on? No?
Now, what were you tels?You met Nick for the first time in
person in March at you got Decorrection? Yes? And where did you meet
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him in person? A Springfield movietheater? What movie Cinderella? How is
it you were able to meet withNick in March at two thousand fifteen.
I paid for his transportation, hislodging to get there. Why'd you pay?
Boys? I didn't think he'd haveenough enough money? And you say
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you met him at at Cinderella movie? And was your mother president? Yes?
He did? You? Did youand Nick? Did you and Nick
talk that night? Yes? Howdid? How did that work? Didn't
go well at all? My motherhated him from the moment they met.
Did you guys watch this movie together? Yes? Did your relationship change it
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anyway that that day? Yes?How we got to see each other in
person for the first time. Didyou become physical that night? Yes?
You mean what I mean by physicalthing? You? Yes? What do
I mean? He had sexual relations? Where in the bathroom stall of the
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men's bathroom? What was the pointof you and knit me? You know
if you're in the sinder Roll movie. Were you guys trying to do something
else? Yes? What I wastrying to introduce him to my mom?
So my mother of an avowmented dateand you said that didn't go well?
Yep? Now where did Nick livein Wisconsin with his mother? Did you
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that? Did you and Yig evertalk about any disabilities he may have?
Yes? What disabilities? Did youunderstand him to have Asperger syndrome? Did
you even know what that was?No, sir? Now communication that you
paid for this trip to Missouri fiveday of two thousand fifteen, what all
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did you pay for? I paidfor the greyhound bus ticket, I paid
for the hotel and for eating.And how did you pay for this?
How did you get the money sothat to get I stole the money from
my mother And I said, sahsaid it to him via the mail.
JITs if you wouldn't money to feedup just a day, it's a big
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sor sauce. Sorry, I thinkyou said you you put in the mail,
yes, sir? And what formwas the money? Cash? Do
you know how did you send himthat time? I don't know the exact
amount? How littlely about eight hundreddollars? And how would you get the
money for How would you steal moneyfrom your mother? She kept it in
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a money pouch? What were yourfeelings for Nick in the spring? Of
two thousand fifteen. I loved him. Was there a point in this relationship
that you you considered yourself that he'syou and n any more than just boyfriend
girlfriend? Yes? When went back, we had plans to marry. Did
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you ever planes for your future orat that point I planned had kids?
Yes? Did you do anything toprepare for having children with Nick? Yes?
What'd you do? I stole babyclothes and things for a child?
And how would you steal baby clothes? I was in the wheelchair, so
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I would seal them from Walmart?And where would your mother be when you
did this? She would have beenin a different aisle water is it a
section of the store? And wasshe aware of any of this? No,
sir? At some point you decidedto kill your lover, Is that
correct? Yes, we was that. Thoughts of it started a year prior
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to the murder actually happening. Whoseidea was it to kill your mother?
Mine? Why did you wanna killyour mother because they wanted to be free
of her hold on me? Didyou and Nick ever talk about this?
Yes? Who initially brought up killingyour mother? I do? Why not
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just tell somebody rather than kill yourmother? Why was that not an option.
I truly didn't believe that nobody wouldbelieve me if I told anyone.
My mother had legal documents in place, being that I was incompetent, And
I thought that meant that if Iwent to anyone with the police or told
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anyone, she would just have themconvinced that I was making and the everything
else. At some point after youinitially considered killing your mother, did you
ever change your mind? Yes?You know when that was about two weeks
before it happened. Why did youchange your mind you decided not to kill
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it? I started having doubts,second thoughts. M Did you ever then
change your mind back to the initialdecision to kill her? Yes? Why
did you change your mind back tokilling my mother? And I got into
an argument two days prior to themurder of hurting, and Nick asked me,
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are we still doing this? AmI still you know, coming there
to do this? Yes? Orno? And I said, yeah?
Who talked to and the killing yourmother? I did? I talked him
into it. During the time youand Nick were together, did you ever
engage in fantasies or role playing oranything like that? Yes? Did you
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have names? Yes? Tell usabout the names you in your wife,
Ruby, Candy, Kitty, Bella, Demona? Why did you have different
alter egos? I made them upbecause he told me that he had areous
alter egos, and so I createdmine to fit the ones with his.
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Who came up with you? Ornians? I di? Did they each represent
a different type of person? Yes? Was this real? It was Pani?
Who is Demona? She's a characterthat I came up with. What
was the character? She's half werewolfand half humans? Who is he?
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She's like a childlike girl. Ruby? She my evil's side. What about
canon, which was more a sluttyside? And did you also have wigs?
Yes? Why did you get wigsto change in different hair colors of
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the characters? And because I didn'thaving hair at the time? Why did
you not have hair? And mymother would shave off my hair and tell
people I had cancer? Was anyof this stuff non cocentral of your part
the personalities? No? And youmentioned the idea to kill your mother came
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out about the year before it happened, Yes, sir, And and what
was going on in your home life? It made you reach a point where
you did that or made that tosee I was growing and increasingly desperate to
get out of my home life.Did you tell Nick that? Yes?
And what was your mom doing thatcaused you to meet more death? Things
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were getting physically and more physically abusive. The hittings was more, the starving
was more. Now you mentioned youwere in a wheelchair. Uh were you
required to act any certain way whenyou were in a wheelchair? Yes,
sir? How was that? Youwould have me stay very quiet and pretend
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like I couldn't walk? Was verycouldn't pause for something happen? Goods A
play something good? Thanks? AndJohn, We're gonna take a little break.
I don't know if you could smell? Would just check out to see
where there is I can remind youof what you were talking about the first
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recess of the court until you retiredto consider you a verdict. You must
not discuss this case among yourselves orwhatever, or permit anyone to discuss it
in your hearing. You should notform or express any opinions about the case
until it was finally given to meto decide. Speak me. Do not
do any research or investigation on yourown without any matter regarding this case or
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anyone involved with the trial. Donot communicate with others without the case by
any means, do not read youor listen put the newspaper, radio,
electronic communication from the internet, ortelevision report of the trial. So do
you all go back to thetory roomplease, we'll have to check that.
Alright there, sit you you justsit there? Right's okay? You can
say seem it's making my eyes water. The kids run by. You might
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know that your requestion any how makesyou guys started to celebrate in nineteen bank
it is bere. I'm gonna haveyou go with my dai over to the
other room. Do you wish tospeak with your attorney? Mis watcher?
Do you wish to speak with yourattorney? Okay, if you do,
you know some my favorite though,so we take her over to the all
to the group. Can't you'll exploretake about ten minutes to see what they
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was. It's goll for electric Iheard that same choice, thought that yeah,
they were doing any of any everything? You want nothing? Do you
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remember any of the TV or stopcoming from the TV US almost though it's
coming. It's all the stun that'scoming to the developed your system coming als
taking you do any of that timeyou seek for something I want to start
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to think you
All live, please be seated?All right? Are we ready for your
witnesses? Yes? And uh givemister photos. Let's go on. Do
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they call them? Can you seeversus good? We don't matter. Parties
are all present jury, it's notpresent. So I understanding that you wish
to call miss Blanchard is your firstweeks? Yes, I recalls the blander
deit and alright they does agreed.You're gonna have her seated? Yes before
the jury brie the misery, andthen we'll go through. Hopefully we'll be
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able to do it without a recess, but if not, we'll take a
recessment. They won't see her walkingbecause she's ha to give this pantry and
her to turn it is you?What about that you have this one?
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Rist lacher is the way to seeit? Yeah? If you kick can
have a seed. There's water therefor you. It's a speci one.
It's subtle. Day is all theraid with your father far ranger? Any
usually say when you recall fall riseplease be seen. Mister Parry, do
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you have a wit that you wishkiptynes your judgement displat ye? Would you
raise? You're right here? Whenyou saw on switter what the customary you
are about to get to the causenow or before the course the movie with
Drew the whole vieing about the gamein the sum of people. Thank you,
sir. Please tell us your name? Chips, you get part of
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that? Yep? I did you? Did you? What do you go
like? It's okay a gypsy?Could you speak of just a bit?
I'm having a little trouble here inOkay? That charitable move would get hold
the life rophone if you want totake it out. Just looks it was
straight out here you Is that better? That's that's much better? Uh?
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How old are you? What you'shappened? Where were you born? Were
you s from the museum? Wherewere you living in the summer of two
thousand fifteen? In Did you havea two thousand fifteen Springfield RD? Do
you remember the address? I don'tremember? Nows Uh. How long had
you lived at that address in Springfield? About seven years? And prior to
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that, where did you live?It's fly down Louisia. And when did
you move to to Missouri in twothousand and five? And who did you
move to Missouri with? My mother? And what was her tone? Claudine
of Blancher. Did she go byany other names? D? M so
uh, I say, D youdon't know who you're talking who I'm talking
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about? Yes, sir. Doyou know that Nicholas go to John?
Yes? Sir? And when didyou meet Nicholas go to John? In
October two thousand and twelve. Howdid you meet him on an online Christian
dating website? Do you remember thename of that site? Christian Dating for
free dot com. How old wereyou when you met Yeah about twenty one
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in June of two thousand fifteen.What did you consider your relationship to Neck
to be kind of relationship we wereboyfriend and girlfriends? And when did you
become boyfriend and girlfriends? In Octoberabout two thousand and twelve. When did
you personally Nick in person? Marchtwo thousand and fifteen. So between October
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of two thousand twelve and March oftwo thousand and fifteen, you hadn't actually
met Nick in person, that's correct. How did you h how? How?
What type of relationship did you havehere in that period of friend online
relationship? And by online? Whatyou need strictly communicating through Facebook any other
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ways of live than Facebook, institects, messaging, email, all by way
of computer and cellphones? Yes,sir. Did you send videos to each
to each other? Yes, sir. Prior to March of fifteen, when
you indicated you met mister Godie Johnsat the first time in person, had
your mother met him? No,sir. Did she know the existed?
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No, sir. Why is thatshe didn't know? Because it was a
secret relationship and my mother would neverallow me to have a boyfriend. Why
not because she controlled every aspect ofmine. Did you and Nick ever talk
about the fact that you were notallowed to date? Yes? How many
times did you think? I don'tremember. Did you and your mother ever
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have any discussions about whether you wereever gonna be able to date? Yes,
sir. Did you in Nick talkabout that? What you may have?
What did your mother say about yourability to date going forward? She
said that it would never happen,that she never allowed. What about marriage?
Did you and your nig ever talkabout marriage? Yeah? Did you
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and your mother ever discuss whether ornot you would be able to get married
some day? Yes? What didshe tell you she said that she wouldn't
allow. Did June of two thousandfifteen, Uh, were you in a
wheelchair? Yes, didn't you didn'tknow you were in a wheelchair? Yeah?
Why were you in a wheelchair inin June of two thousand fifteen?
Because my mother forced me to beany one? You know why you were
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forced to be in a wheel chair? No, sir, she just forced
me to be in one. Howlong at had you been in a wheelchair
as a June two thousand and fifteen, since probably I was about eight years
old. Was there a time betweenyou when you first were put in a
wheel chair in June of two thousandand fifteen? Did you figured out that
you really didn't need to be ina wheel chair? Yes? When was
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that? I always knew that Ididn't need the wheelchair? And how did
you know that? Cause I couldwalk? Did you and your mother obtain
any kind of advantage by you beingin a wheelchair? Yes, sir.
What kind of advantage did you obtain? Financial attention, charity, financially need
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money? Yes, sir. Didyou obtain money as a result of you
been in a wheelchair? Yes?Sir? M M. How that you
work out? How thats good?I'm I'm gonna be after the relevance of
that. There's been no connections thatyou depended. Well, I'm assuming this
prayer you're gonna talk with so kindof the world right now. Did did
you and they ever talk about itthe fact that that you didn't need to
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be in a wheelchair? Yes,you ever talking about why you were required
to be in a wheelchair? Yes, all of the google of teacher.
Could you tell the jury why itis that you obtained money as a result
of being in a wheelchair because peoplefelt sorry for me and they would do
what the just I'm I'm just gonnaget to the general relevance at this point,
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all of love, for the timethat you may answer me. What
was the question thing that I'm sorry? Uh, I asked you why you
obtained in the batage for being ina wheelchair? You said, people gave
me money, and I I thinkmy next question was why did they give
you money because they felt sorry forme? They believed the why they believed
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the fraud. When did you tellNick about the wheelchair? Did you be
in a wheelchair? I think theywould been a month or so after we
met. When did you tell Ythat you didn't need to be in a
wheelchair in your entire relationship? Sowas your relationship again in October of two
thousand twelve, It would have beensometime in two thousand thirteen that you first
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told him that you really didn't needto be in a wheelchair, That is
correct. Were you ill during thisperiod of time? No, sir?
Did you Did you ever tell Nickthat you were ill or that you had
illnesses? I told him that Ihad illnesses, Yes, sir. Did
you ever tell him that you thatyou really weren't yelling? Yes, sir.
When did you tell him you reallyweren't yield the same time that I
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told him that I didn't need tobe in the little What illnesses? Did
you believe you had cancer? Mustthe other district? Faith? I needed
glasses, I needed hearing aids.It's your disorder. And I can't remember
when and when did you figure outthat you weren't actually sick. I started
to piece things together when I wasabout nineteen years old. Then I didn't
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understand the full extent of how healthyI was until after I got arrested.
So even at the time, uh, even as a June of two thousand
fifteen, you you still believed youhad the time of the illness, Yes,
sir. Did you ever run away? Yes, sir, When did
you and my runaway, I meanfrom your mother? Yes, sir.
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When did you run away in thespring of two thousand eleven? Did you
tell Bigger about that? Yes,sir. When did you tell Bigger?
I don't remember in the exact time. Was it before your mother's murdered?
Yeah? Did you ever consider runningaway after that? After your r after
you ran away in two thousand eleven, Yes, but I knew that and
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it ended badly. What happened whenyou ran? O tell us about running
away in two thousand and eleven.It was in the middle of the night,
and I packed a small bag ofstuff and my mother went to sleep,
So I left the house and Imet up with one of my friends.
And where did you go to?First at Mercy Hospital in Springfield and
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then to hit And at some pointdid your mom e got where you work?
Yes, sir, when moved backfour hours later. What happened when
your mother, if you got whereyou worked? She took me back home,
She smashed my computer and myself.She trained me to a bed for
two weeks. Do you ever tellme about all that? Yes? The
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only time you ran away? Didyou ever see any other physical views as
a result of running away over thenwent did you party show the jury?
Yes, whatever the us heading punchingservation. Did you tell me everything that
that happened between me and your motherduring the course of your relationship with him?
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Most, but not all, allthe stuff we've talked about is the
stuff you actually did tell him.Yes, and stuff he knew as of
June two thousand fifteen. Mm.And when did you tell him these things
all at once? We were overa period of time, over the period
beginning at what point in the relationhe knew the same one that my mother
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never allowed me to date. ButI don't remember exactly when I told him
every single little detail that was goingon in my home life. But you
did tell tell him everything? Youdid tell him by the time of June
two thousand fifteen. Yes, sir, I assume since you believed you you'd
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be sick, you met regularly withdoctors, Yes, sir. Did you
also meet with social workers or doyou remember that? No, sirr I
don't remember. Why didn't you tellyour doctors like you didn't really think you
needed to do a wiltiare do I'lli'll object to the relative of that that
so oft like the stat that dependedwould happen which your career gues, I
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think it Israel and he goes tohe wrote, goes why this will be
happened? Uh, the fact thatI've drag to explained that I really don't
explaining on the record you give canwe go back and do it? I'm
gonna allow it to the time beingwhat started get too far afield you.
But do you need to question repeatthe place? Yes? Please? Do
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you repeat it? I would beglad you. Why did you not tell
doctors that you knew you could walk? Or you didn't do yourself to be
guilt during the time that you weredoing this, I didn't think that anyone
would believe me. I thought theywould eventually tell my mom and that would
make my home life even worse forme. I feared her more than I
feared to anyone else Where's your fatherduring this time, Louisiana? Did you
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ever talk to your father while youwere in Missouri? It's a complicated answer.
Did you ever speak to Momabum?I did, but my mother was
always present. Did you ever tellhim what was going on? No?
Now, what were you tels?You met Nick for the first time in
person in March at you got Decorrection? Yes? And where did you meet
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him in person? A Springfield movietheater? What movie Cinderella? How is
it you were able to meet withNick in March at two thousand fifteen.
I paid for his transportation, hislodging to get there. Why'd you pay?
Boys? I didn't think he'd haveenough enough money? And you say
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you met him at at Cinderella movie? And was your mother president? Yes?
He did? You? Did youand Nick? Did you and Nick
talk that night? Yes? Howdid? How did that work? Didn't
go well at all? My motherhated him from the moment they met.
Did you guys watch this movie together? Yes? Did your relationship change it
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anyway that that day? Yes?How we got to see each other in
person for the first time. Didyou become physical that night? Yes?
You mean what I mean by physicalthing? You? Yes? What do
I mean? He had sexual relations? Where in the bathroom stall of the
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men's bathroom? What was the pointof you and knit me? You know
if you're in the sinder Roll movie. Were you guys trying to do something
else? Yes? What I wastrying to introduce him to my mom?
So my mother of an avowmented dateand you said that didn't go well?
Yep? Now where did Nick livein Wisconsin with his mother? Did you
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that? Did you and Yig evertalk about any disabilities he may have?
Yes? What disabilities? Did youunderstand him to have Asperger syndrome? Did
you even know what that was?No, sir? Now communication that you
paid for this trip to Missouri fiveday of two thousand fifteen, what all
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did you pay for? I paidfor the greyhound bus ticket, I paid
for the hotel and for eating.And how did you pay for this?
How did you get the money sothat to get I stole the money from
my mother And I said, sahsaid it to him via the mail.
JITs if you wouldn't money to feedup just a day, it's a big
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sor sauce. Sorry, I thinkyou said you you put in the mail,
yes, sir? And what formwas the money? Cash? Do
you know how did you send himthat time? I don't know the exact
amount? How littlely about eight hundreddollars? And how would you get the
money for How would you steal moneyfrom your mother? She kept it in
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a money pouch? What were yourfeelings for Nick in the spring? Of
two thousand fifteen. I loved him. Was there a point in this relationship
that you you considered yourself that he'syou and n any more than just boyfriend
girlfriend? Yes? When went back, we had plans to marry. Did
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you ever planes for your future orat that point I planned had kids?
Yes? Did you do anything toprepare for having children with Nick? Yes?
What'd you do? I stole babyclothes and things for a child?
And how would you steal baby clothes? I was in the wheelchair, so
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I would seal them from Walmart?And where would your mother be when you
did this? She would have beenin a different aisle water is it a
section of the store? And wasshe aware of any of this? No,
sir? At some point you decidedto kill your lover, Is that
correct? Yes, we was that. Thoughts of it started a year prior
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to the murder actually happening. Whoseidea was it to kill your mother?
Mine? Why did you wanna killyour mother because they wanted to be free
of her hold on me? Didyou and Nick ever talk about this?
Yes? Who initially brought up killingyour mother? I do? Why not
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just tell somebody rather than kill yourmother? Why was that not an option.
I truly didn't believe that nobody wouldbelieve me if I told anyone.
My mother had legal documents in place, being that I was incompetent, And
I thought that meant that if Iwent to anyone with the police or told
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anyone, she would just have themconvinced that I was making and the everything
else. At some point after youinitially considered killing your mother, did you
ever change your mind? Yes?You know when that was about two weeks
before it happened. Why did youchange your mind you decided not to kill
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it? I started having doubts,second thoughts. M Did you ever then
change your mind back to the initialdecision to kill her? Yes? Why
did you change your mind back tokilling my mother? And I got into
an argument two days prior to themurder of hurting, and Nick asked me,
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are we still doing this? AmI still you know, coming there
to do this? Yes? Orno? And I said, yeah?
Who talked to and the killing yourmother? I did? I talked him
into it. During the time youand Nick were together, did you ever
engage in fantasies or role playing oranything like that? Yes? Did you
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have names? Yes? Tell usabout the names you in your wife,
Ruby, Candy, Kitty, Bella, Demona? Why did you have different
alter egos? I made them upbecause he told me that he had areous
alter egos, and so I createdmine to fit the ones with his.
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Who came up with you? Ornians? I di? Did they each represent
a different type of person? Yes? Was this real? It was Pani?
Who is Demona? She's a characterthat I came up with. What
was the character? She's half werewolfand half humans? Who is he?
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She's like a childlike girl. Ruby? She my evil's side. What about
canon, which was more a sluttyside? And did you also have wigs?
Yes? Why did you get wigsto change in different hair colors of
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the characters? And because I didn'thaving hair at the time? Why did
you not have hair? And mymother would shave off my hair and tell
people I had cancer? Was anyof this stuff non cocentral of your part
the personalities? No? And youmentioned the idea to kill your mother came
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out about the year before it happened, Yes, sir, And and what
was going on in your home life? It made you reach a point where
you did that or made that tosee I was growing and increasingly desperate to
get out of my home life.Did you tell Nick that? Yes?
And what was your mom doing thatcaused you to meet more death? Things
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were getting physically and more physically abusive. The hittings was more, the starving
was more. Now you mentioned youwere in a wheelchair. Uh were you
required to act any certain way whenyou were in a wheelchair? Yes,
sir? How was that? Youwould have me stay very quiet and pretend
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like I couldn't walk? Was verycouldn't pause for something happen? Goods A
play something good? Thanks? AndJohn, We're gonna take a little break.
I don't know if you could smell? Would just check out to see
where there is I can remind youof what you were talking about the first
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recess of the court until you retiredto consider you a verdict. You must
not discuss this case among yourselves orwhatever, or permit anyone to discuss it
in your hearing. You should notform or express any opinions about the case
until it was finally given to meto decide. Speak me. Do not
do any research or investigation on yourown without any matter regarding this case or
(22:07):
anyone involved with the trial. Donot communicate with others without the case by
any means, do not read youor listen put the newspaper, radio,
electronic communication from the internet, ortelevision report of the trial. So do
you all go back to thetory roomplease, we'll have to check that.
Alright there, sit you you justsit there? Right's okay? You can
say seem it's making my eyes water. The kids run by. You might
(22:40):
know that your requestion any how makesyou guys started to celebrate in nineteen bank
it is bere. I'm gonna haveyou go with my dai over to the
other room. Do you wish tospeak with your attorney? Mis watcher?
Do you wish to speak with yourattorney? Okay, if you do,
you know some my favorite though,so we take her over to the all
to the group. Can't you'll exploretake about ten minutes to see what they
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was. It's goll for electric Iheard that same choice, thought that yeah,
they were doing any of any everything? You want nothing? Do you
(23:26):
remember any of the TV or stopcoming from the TV US almost though it's
coming. It's all the stun that'scoming to the developed your system coming als
taking you do any of that timeyou seek for something I want to start
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to think you
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