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Alright when you get this scows you'reor miss uh country. Don't do give
mister Jung answer you live to yourThank you for your patience. I know
you have students in the courtroom.I wanna remind you you can't fill or
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auto record anything that's going on inthe courtroom. Otherwise, have protect your
phones. This why I should havea seat piece. I think your water
is still there? Is that okay? It's not a fire or settle you
get why be scary? That's good. If you don't wanna hold the microphone,
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this one's pretty sensitive. Do youlike holding the consent? That's there's
tissues for you. You don't sendthis school that you were really in the
group. All right, pretty sevenseen crazy people the school action. I
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won everybody that you're still a littlethis art or education. Did you see
how many bore things did you haveprior to make no? Now I wanna
start talking about June or two thousandfifteen, and you mentioned that you had
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decided to kill your mother at somepoint, Yes, sir, Was that
the only plane you ever had interms of how to get out of your
situation? The SAME's running? Thatis, did you have other alternative plans
other are they killed in your mother? Yes? How many? How many
plan involved together? Did you havethree? Think? Did you have names
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for those plans? Yes? Whatwere the names? Plan A, Plan
B, and Plan C? Andcould you tell us about any other two
possibilities other than killing your mother?Yes? Plan A we already had tried
that, which was to meet upat the movie theater, act like we
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never met before, and try andstart a relationship from there with my mother's
permission. What was the other alternaty? Plan? Another one was for me
to get pregnant. I believed thatsince gonna be the father who would have
to be in my life now?Nick came down to spree Field again in
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June of two thousand fifteen. Isthat correct? Yes, sir? Who
paid for that trip? I did? Why did you pay for that trip?
Again? I didn't think he hadenough money? And how did you
get money to him to come downon that trip? I stole money from
my mother and I sent it tohim via the mail. Did you have
any idea exactly how much money yousent today? Over a thousand dollars and
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in these two trips to spread foruh, how much of his own money
was used? I do not haveit. Are you aware that he spent
any of his money on the eitherof these two trips? Yep? Do
you know when he arrived on thesecond trip? Yes? And when was
that? I believe it was Junem June eighth of two thousand and fifteen.
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And how long did you say thistime? Only a couple of days?
And was this when your mother wasmurdered? Yes? And when was
that? Specifically June tenth, twothose fifteen? Do you know about what
time she was murdered? Maybe aboutthree am in the morning. And after
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her murder? What time did youleave you mean six in the morning after
the murder? Where did you go? You wouldnit? We went back to
the Hotel of the Days in Hope. Now while he was on his way
down here, did you guys talk? Yes? How did you communicate?
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Text? Message? Facebook? Andthe state has introduced into evidence a knife
and were states exhibited one forty five? Did Nick harold knife? What was
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he used as the murder? Isupplied the knife. Where did you get
the knife? I strole it fromWalmart? And why did you steal it?
Because I didn't see a knife thatwas sufficient enough in our own home.
There were also some gloves that wouldintroduced to the evidence. Yes,
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where did Nick get the gloves?I supplied them? And where did you
get Where did you get the gloves? They were already How did Nick know
when to do this? Horns?If time was that? That morning?
I told him? Who planned thismurder? I do? Did Nick do
any of the pining in this murder? He may have had one or two.
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Do you know what plans he provided? He decided what the weapon would
be. Had you discussed alternity methodsof killing your mother? Yes? What
other alternities? Had you consider?Poison? Arson? A gun? Why
did you not consider poison? Andit's too hard to find an odorless,
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tasteless poison. Why didn't you killfor a mother? I didn't believe I
could do Could you explain what youmean by that? I don't like blood.
I don't like the sight of blood. Frankly, I'm too sweenish.
So I just honestly didn't believe Icould do it on my own. After
the murder, how long did youand Nick remain in Missouri? Maybe two
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days? And where were you planning? On billings back to his mom's house
in Wisconsin. Do you encounter anyproblems they cause you to be delayed or
leave in Springdale? Yes, sir, what problems his return bus ticket?
There was no room for an extrapassenger on that bus, so we had
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to change bus tickets to that delayedest about a day? And where did
you go back extra day? Yougo back to the motel? What motel?
Days in? Why did you goto that hotel? That was the
most time that he was staying at? Who paid for that motel room?
I did? Who went into reservedof the room? Nick did? Why
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did he go when to make thereservation? If you were paying for it?
I didn't wanna be seen? Whydid you not wanna be seen?
I didn't wanna be recognized? Didyou go any place else other than days
in while you were remained at FirstField after your mother's death? Yes?
Where the waffle house right across thestreet, nicol, a post office,
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Walmart, and of course the GreatHome bus station. Okay, let's take
them on at a time. Whywhy did you go in the waufall house?
That makes seem any say a question? Why did you go to the
waffle house cause we were hungry?And when did you go to the walf
m? I think it was themorning of the twelfth. Why did you
go to the post office to mailthe knife back to his mother's house?
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And who who decided to mail theknife through the mail? I did?
Why did you decide to mail throughthe mail? Because he wanted me to
take it in my backpack and Inever had ridden on a bus before,
and I didn't think that there wereany way that I could get it through
without being undetected, so I figuredmail it. People mail knives all the
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time, they'd buy knives offline.Nobody don't know the difference. Did you
return to dress on the package?What return of dress was? It?
Might? And then it was mailedto his house and through Wisconsin? Yes,
sir. Why did you go toWalmart? We needed a few extra
things. Did you go with Walmart? No, sir, why not?
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I waited outside with delucked. Didyou go in the post office? Yeah?
Do you know exactly when you arrivedin Wisconsin? I believe it was
the nights of the thirteenth. Anddid he have a family that he lived
with? Yes? Do you knowwho the family was? His mother,
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his stepfather, and his little brother. And how long were you at the
house? And you can tell lawenforcement came today. What were your plans
going forward? What did you planon doing? Just staying with him and
living forever there? Give you thoughtit possibly police locating you? Did that
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ever occur to you? No,sir? Why'd you think what happened to
you? Thought? Maybe that ifpeople knew that I was gone, they
would just think I was missing andmissing people going you know, under pound
all the time, So I justthought I'd remain a missing person. Now
there was a Facebook post made aboutthis case. Uh do you know what
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I'm talking about? Yes, sir? Do you know where that Facebook post
was made? On? Whose account? Yes? Sir? Whose it count?
My mother's? What did the Facebookpost say that you can recall?
Zack? How close to it thatbitches stead? Was there a comment in
a post as well about your daughter? Yes, sir? What was that
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comment? I don't remember exactly howit was worded. It's something to the
facts and I raped her sweetness adaughter? Her life was so fucking loud.
M Who made that post? Idid? Did you make that post
pretending to be somebody else? Yes? And who were you pretending to be
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Nick? Why would you make thatpost claiming to be Nick? I wanted
her to be found. I wantedthe cops to find her body. Now,
when you and Nick left her house, did you take any money away?
Tod? Yes? How much?At over four thousand dollars? And
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where did you make that money?I stole it and my mother's safe.
Why you were gone? How muchof that money did you spend a couple
of hundred dollars? Just one morejudge, Yes, sir, gip seen
just a couple more questions. Didyour mother own a part? Yes,
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sir? What kind of car?I can't remember what it's called now it's
a little nisan qute. I think, okay, why don't you take the
nis on cute? I don't knowhow to drive? Do you have a
driving's license? No, sir,you may have a garden's license. Yes.
I think that's all the questions.I have a safer judge stayed you?
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Do you s stay? Half questions? Yes? Now I've moved to
TV. I'm just gonna show thislanview. Is it for sure? Make
sure you can see the piper stature? M. Can you all assume O?
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M? Cause when your you andI have talked before, right,
he's sick. I'm just gonna askyou a couple of questions. Okay,
You were asked a little bit aboutduring your relationship that these alter egos that
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uh the defendant and you came upwith your number dad. Yes, it
was the defendant who first introduced youto that idea of altered egos THI sent
and he actually first told you abouthis alter ego Victor. You were called
out, yes, sick, andVictor was a vampire that was five hundred
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years old, sick, and youdecided to come up with your alter egos
just to kind of please him.Yes, And also as part of this
fantasy, you also started to kindof consider yourselves as master and slave the
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correct Yes, And the defendant wasthe master, yes, yes, and
you were the slave, yester.And at one point he had sent you
basically like a bill of sale kindof ownership papers. Do you remember that,
Yes? And those papers would basicallymean that the defendant owned you.
Yes. And you also were askeda little bit about the the videos that
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you and the defendant sent back andforth. You remember that, yes,
And on a lot of those videosthat you would send, the defendant would
actually send you a script beforehand,correct, yes, sir, and that
script would instruct you on what todo in the videos instact, and they
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weren't always things you wanted to do, correct, but you did in any
ways. It's sorry because the defendanttold you to. Yes. Then at
some point also, the defendant atleast communicated to you about great fantasy you
would call that, yessir, Andyou weren't crazy about that idea, correct.
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But I believe it as you describedit before, you kind of just
let him talk about it correct,cost to indulge him. Yes, the
defendant had told you that he hadaspergers, correct, And the only real
symptom or maybe personality trait that younoticed that you thought was a result of
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that was that he insisted that youalways capitalize his name instactly, and he
would get mad at you if youwould talk to him and not capitalize his
name. Correct, It's correct.Prior to y you and the defendant first
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discussed the killing of your mom.I believe you said about a year prior,
correct, Yes, sir, Andprior to that you had thought about
it before, correct, like justas a thought, yes, sir.
But it was once you were withthe defendant that can it really became a
constant thought correct, thanks, correct, And that was because the defendant had
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introduced you to some dark fantasies.Correct, thanks, correct, And you
felt by being with the defendant andthese dark fantasies that kind of helped bring
that out of you, Yes,sir. And actually at one point the
defendant told you he was an assassinin another life, Yes, sir.
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Ended as an assassin he could protectyou or take care of you. Correct.
And you had come up with thealternatives. Believe it was three plans,
right, plan A, B andC correct, Yes, sir,
And the decision to murder your momwas always the last resort, correct,
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Yes, sir, but it wouldbut the the murder was referred to as
clan B. Right, yes,sir, So A, B and C
kind of our little out of orderthat they're okay. So A is try
to get m mom to like defendant. Correct, that's correct, and then
C would be try to get youpregnant. Yes, And you discussed those
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alternative plans with the defendant, correct, Yes, And you discussed the fact
that murdering your mom would be alast resort. You discussed that fact with
the defendant, yes, sir,cause you both knew that was a serious
sin, Yes, sir, Andthe defendant knew that as well. Yes,
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at least he communicated that to you. Yeah. And when it came
to the movie theater, I thinkwe heard that didn't go very well,
right, that is correct? Andbasically your mom thought a twenty six year
old guy at a Disney movie byhimself maybe a little pretty yes, okay,
so that plan didn't go well.And then when it came to the
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pregnancy, which I guess would beplanned, see, yes, at some
point the defendant didn't really want todo that plan anymore. Correct. He
wanted to do it, but hismother would not have it. And but
so he basically told you communicated toyou, I can't do plant, see
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correct. But a couple of weeksbefore them or you kind of still were
suggesting to him, Hey, couldwe hold off and try getting pregnant?
Do you remember that? Yes?But the defendant never really gave you an
answer on that. Do you recall, No, he never gave me an
answer on you. He didn't say, sure, let's try that mm so
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we can keep killing mom as alast resort or nothing like that. Yes,
Or of the plans you mentioned thathow the murder was to take place,
that was all up to the defendant. Correct, that is correct.
And it was the defendant that toldyou he wanted to stab your mom,
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correct. And it was the defendantthat told you he wanted a knife.
Yes, And he figured it wouldbe easier for you to get a knife
because you could steal it cause youwould be in the wheelchair correct. Correct.
And you knew that the defendant hadresearched knives online. Correct. And
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at first he actually wanted you toget like a big machete type knife,
yes, but you didn't think thatyou would. That would be a lot
harder to probably wheel out of Walmart. Is that right? It's correct.
So although he wanted the big machete, you basically saw a knife that you
thought you could get out of Walmartexactly. And then you took a picture
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of that knife, yes, sir, and you sent that to the defendant,
yes, to make sure that heapproved of that knife. It was
correct, and he did it ultimately. Yes. But in addition to the
knife, the defendant, since itwas his idea on how to kill your
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mom, he also wanted a tapeand a taser, correct, Yes,
And he wanted you to get thoseitems for him. Yeah. And and
at one point you had communicated tohim that you had gotten the tape,
right, Yes, but you apologizedto him that you were not able to
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get the taser, yes, sir. And for him, the tape was
so that he was going to beable to muffle your moml That is tright.
And the taser was to basically keepher from fighting back. Is that
right? So before June tenth,in preparation for the murder, fair to
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say, the defendant wanted to takesteps to muffle her, that is trc
And the defendant wanted to take stepsto keep her from fighting back, that's
true. And I'll have you lookover here a little bit about your plan
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afterward. You wanted to be ableto go and live in Wisconsin, correct,
Yes, but you actually weren't crazyabout going to Waukeshaw County or Big
Bend where he lived. Correct.And don't remember do you remember? Here?
I'll show you so if you seethere, you're on the well,
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you're on boat. See where it'spink and it says gypsy. Yeah,
looks like you kind of had anidea of wanting to go to Milwaukee.
You thought sort of that bigger citymight be appealing, correct, And yes,
it is great, And it wasthe defendant that actually told you,
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no, I'd rather that we livehere in Waukeshaw as you can see on
the left, see on his texthow it's blue and it says defendants.
And after he shoots down Milwaukee,you basically say, okay, we can
start looking for apartments and walk theShaw's that right, he's sick. And
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then when it kind of came tothe money, you can see here in
this conversation on May thirtieth that youtext him that with the five thousand dollars
I have, we will be set, and he says, you know,
good idea. Correct, you're sick. And at that time you thought five
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thousand dollars would last you guys along time, correct SI. And you
say that it's five thousand you have, and he actually responds there on the
left, dear, I know,but you mean our five thousand you see
that? Yes, sick. Hewanted to make sure that you knew that
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wasn't your money, that was gonnabe your money together, Correct, you're
sick. Then you had some messagesas the defendant was taking the cab from
the days in to your house rightinsanct and those those texts pretty much led
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right up to him being at thedoor. Correct, insane And before he
got to your house, he wantedto make sure that you were wearing something
that he approved up. Do youremember them, yes, Sam, And
if you look there to your right, you agree that. And that's a
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little bit earlier in the evening.So you stated around two three o'clock is
when your mom died, correct,yes, and I in the morning at
the tenth, So this is acouple hours before, not about nine o'clock
on the ninth. And he says, uh that he expects you to look
like his woman should go and hesuggests red fingernail polished. Correct in And
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do you remember you actually told himyou didn't have any red fingernail polish.
Yes, I remember, And soyou came up. I think it was
the pink lip gloss. Pink okay, pink fingernail polish. And then he
also, as you can see upthere on the right, he wanted you
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to wear red lipstick and you didn'thave any of that, that is correct,
and that's I think where you settledon pink lip gloss, yes,
okay. And then if you lookup there to the right, you can
see on the right where it circledby defendant that he says, so will
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you or how do you wish topresent yourself to him? You remember that,
yes, sir, and you don'tanswer him right away, and he
asks you again there on the leftto answer the question, right yeah,
And then looks like from nine twentyfive to ten you still haven't answered him,
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and he's asking you again, right, yes, sir. But what
he's waiting on an answer for ishow you're gonna be dressed when he gets
there to kill your mom, essac. And you eventually answer him there
at ten that he'll be in anight gown with pain and paint nails and
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lit gloss, right, yes,sir. And then he says to you,
okay, but when he gets youfrom the bathroom, I suggest you
are naked when he sees you afterthe deep you see them, yes,
sir. And while you were inthe bathroom, uh, you could hear
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your mom correct answer and you heardher scream yes sac and and she screamed
your name, yes sir. Andonce you were cleaning up afterwards, he
wanted you to clean up, helpclean up blood, right yes, sir.
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And he wanted you to pain makethe respontract, yes, sir,
cause that kind of turned him off. Yes, sir. As for the
I'm jumping back just at the second. Okay, going back real quick to
your plans for afterwards. When youwere in Wisconsin, you had a pre
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planned story that you were gonna sayin the event that you were ever called.
Right, he's sir, And hecame up with that story, yes,
sir. And so considering the possibilityof getting caught after the murder,
the defendant told you of a sstory that you guys could come up with,
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yes, sir. And actually beforethe police arrested you in Wisconsin,
you were hiding in the closet ofNick's room together, right, correct,
and he confirmed with you to makesure that you have the story out.
That's right. You were asked,uh on direct about the fact that you
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had provided the gloves rest and thosewere gloves that you already had at your
house. Yes, And if yougo ahead and look up over to your
right, you see here, andthis is about one thirty am. You
say to him, You say tohim, oh, you may not need
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to put the gloves on, causewe will send hit so it's never found.
You're talking about the knife right,Yes, And if you look there
to the right, it's the defendantthat tells you he is still going to
put the gloves, correct, eventhough you suggested he may not be.
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Hm, I'm almost When the defendantagreed to kill your mom at some point,
who told you that he also wantedto rape you? Did not want
the defendant to rape your mom?Correct? And in fact, in leaving
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the decision of how to kill herup to the defendant, you never told
him to staff for seventeen separate times, right, yeah, an, And
you certainly didn't tell him to cuther neck down to the bum right now.
And when he asked you about rapingyour mother, you actually talked him
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out right, yes, and youdid so by offering the alternative that he
would be able to rape you afterthe murder. Correct, yes, correct,
I don't any further questions then,I think you question, did miss
ever raped you? Play? Todo school? Very ter? Have a
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group? So okay, I likeyou? Yes, sir, did you
think I ever rape you? No? And when you guys had sex actor
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your mother's murder? Uh, wasthat consensual? It started out as consentual?
Yes? What do you mean tostart it out as consensual. I
told him to stop during sex andhe did not, So you agree to
have sexually consensual Yes? Now,Uh, the prosecutor said that UH asked
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you about this story that which wasa law of course, about what you
were gonna tell law enforcement when uhif you got caught. Correct, that
is correct. I think you testifiedthat Nick came up with that story.
That's correct. Isn't it true thatboth of you would actually judge eas and
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peace division aside? Are you gonnareference something? Yes? Would you uh
tell kill us the page? I'llheaver that you reference. And I also
may ask clarification on when I amteached the living. I don't recall that
h judge just kind of showed herthe deposition to see the reaggression. The
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recollection is that the purpose? Yes, yes, and tell me the page
of the gifts. You'm on pageseventy nine, if you'd turn at the
age seventy odd things, and Idon't wait to read it out loud,
if you'd read it to your sect. You gonna start with line five,
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Okay, see line five on paidseventy nine. Yes, sir, Now,
the first of all, it's declearwhat we're talking about. Were talking
about a deposition that that you gaveon November the first, two thousand eighteen.
You recall that you you not yes, sir. The question on line
five is question do they just comeinto the room. You see that question
answer. There's a rather extended answerof your apart would you play? Just
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read your answer in bold yes,sir? And and if you can't read,
I pology. Can you do youcan? I can read no.
They had armored vehicles outside. Therewere patrol cars all surrounding the house.
They came in with the canine unitdownstairs, and I remember that because I
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thought it was miss stop barking,but it was the K nine unit,
and they kept saying, come downstairs, Nick, go to John, you
are under arrest. Come down withyour hands above your phone. And we
both woke up at that point.I looked at him scared, and he
said to get in the closet.So we both got into his bedroom closet
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where we stayed there for a littlewhile discussing what we were going to tell
the cops. And I told himlet me go down first, let me
leave the closet. I told theofficers, I'm coming downstairs. They said,
walk to my voice, and Iwalked down the stairs. They grabbed
me and put me in handcuffs,and they pulled me out into the yard
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and started asking me questions like doeshe have any weapons? And I say
no, that was it. Andin this question and in your answer and
you you talk about this squad thatsituation. Is that correct? Yes,
sir? And who did you say? That answer? Had come up with
the store? We did? Andthat's the truth, is it mine?
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Yes, it's something you both discussed. Yes. Was it just him?
No, it was the both ofus. Now, the date that that
your mother was murdered, was thatthe original date? Or was it moved
up? It was moved up?Who moved it up? I did?
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I got Jack at this point aroundup the previous questions, around side the
scope across when the leve Why didyou move it up? He told me
that the money was running out andhe didn't think that he had enough money
for another night to stay at thehotel. Now you talk to you a
little bit about you had to cleanup after your mother's murdered. You did
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that ball of Harold? Correct?Yes, he didn't make you. No,
what were you doing while your motherwas being killed? I was sitting
in the bathroom on the bathroom floorwith my hands covering theirs. And how
did you know when it was over? There was a code that we settled
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on to use. Did you ssettle on this coat together? Yes?
What was? Because I believe itwas three knocks and two scratches on the
door? Why did you need acoke to let me know when to come
out of the bathroom? Did youhave any concerns about what might happen?
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Yes? What concerns did you have? I was afraid my mother would end
up hurting him? Now this knight? Why did you buy the ninth of
Walmart? I did not buy it? I stormed it. I apologize Or
why did you get the knight?I'll tell you that I he asked me
too, And what was what wasyour understanding was gonna happen to that night
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with that nie? But he wasgoing to use it to call my mother?
And you knew that when you wentand start the correct Yes. Now
you've been some discussion of some ofthese fantasies you have. These were all
fantasies that the two of you had, correct, Yes, sir collected,
Yes, sir? Uh, Youguys did this with some regularity. Correct,
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Yes, and you willingly agreed tomake these videos. Yes, and
you also yourself wrote some letters andstories. They're all sack in my correct
yes wrote yeah, and this uhreference to this agreement that you're gonna be
master's slave. That was something youguys, did you ever? I'm object
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this whole line up question he hasbeen leading. And this is the defendants
with the rules are very clear onthat it it isn't it. It is
our way to start with the guideto repraise it. So you you so,
okay, Uh, whose whose ideawas it to have this master slave
thing? It was? Next?And did you go along with it willingly?
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Yes? Did you have a problemwith it? I didn't particularly like
it, but I went along withit. Now, you talked a little
bit about this uh situation at uhthe Cinderella movie, and I think you
testified on on re on cross examinationthat your mother thought was creeping that twenty
six year old was at a Cinderellamovie. That is correct. Okay,
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oh were you at that? You'rein that movie twenty three? That's all
the question, No, judge.Actually, I'd like to make a record
before we're done that if the statehas moved recrossed from it. Would you
exact after that? Oh? Right? This is so cool that when you
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were at the excuse me in thebathroom, Uh, you had mentioned the
the code that you guys had,right, yes, sir. And actually
at some point the defendant had warnedyou about coming into the bedroom while he
was killing your mom, right,yes, sir, cause he was worried
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that his evil side could possibly hurtyou, Yes, sir. And the
story that you all came up within the event that you were caught,
you were asked, uh, aquestion and an answer from your deposition.
Do you remember that? Can you? Yeah? That was terrible meaning Uh,
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mister Perry had asked you to readingan answer from your deposition. Do
you remember that? Would you dome a favor? Could you turn to
age sixty eight? Are you there? Yes? Do you see the the
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very very last line where the questionstarts, did you yes, sir?
And it the question is did youand Nick have a story? And then
he turned to the next day thatyou guys had put together that if somehow
you got caught, you were goingto tell this one story. You see
that question, yes, sir?And what was your answer? Yes?
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Sir, And then the question iswhat was that story? You see that,
yes, sir? What was youranswer that my mother kicked me out
of the house and that I calledhim to kind of pick me up because
I was going to live with Nickand his mom. And then the next
question you see is did you havea story of where you ran into each
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other? Did anything go that farthat you recall? And what was your
answer? No, sir. Andthen you see the question who came up
with this story? And what wasyour answer? Keep it? And also
if you would just look for amoment, going back to the text messages,
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can you see that this yes?And there on the left, it
looks like this conversation takes place Juneeighth, at about one twenty three pm,
right, yes, sir, Andyou ask him is it all good?
You got the tickets hun right,yes, sir, And then he
says to you, dear, pleasego with the story I could told my
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mom and stepdad. Do you seethat, yes, sir, And he
responds again, yes dear. Andthen if you look there, you ask
him, please let let me knowwhat story, yes, sir, and
then he says, I'll tell youin perse dear, because I'll be able
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to explain it better that do yousee that? Yes, sir? And
you say okay, not saying aword on Facebook uh to anyone after that.
But the story referenced in that isthis story that you would tell if
you were ever called? Yes,sir, order question, so thank you
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just a trouble more than you whenyou were to do uh s. He
told you in that text that itwas the story quote I had told my
mom. Correct, Yes, sir. I want you to go back to
page sixty nine where you were justreading with the prosecutor. I wanna read
a very ant question if if youbeen buying I think the prosecutor ended on
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page sixty nine, line thirteen.Yes to see the very next question started
online fourteen, Yes, sir,I I'll read the question. You can
read the answer. But you guyshad agreed that this was a story you
were going to tell. You somehowyou guys get arrested. Is that correct?
What your answer? Yes, sir? How do you see anything?
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No exclud like to make a wayabout the weeks? Do you prodent you
grow a relivately? I? Uh? Do you think that that microphone back?
If you'd like this m all right, argue do this business speak?
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Excuse mister parent, Yes, youhave to say, ladies and gentlemen,
I think we've reached a good timefor lunch. I wanna again remind you
of what you were told the firstrecess of the court until you retire to
consider your birth. You must notdiscuss this case among yourselves and with others,
or permit anyone to discuss it inyour hearing. You should not form
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or express any opinion about the caseuntil it is finally given to you to
decide. Do not doing the researchor investigation on your own about any matter
regarding this case or anyone involved withthe trial. Do not communicate with others
about the case by any means.You now read or listen to any newspaper,
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radio, electronic communications from the internetor television for the trial. It's
about ten after twelve o'clock. Couldhave you downstairs? Have one thirty down?
Okay? Please rides the time thatyou can say, see that one
football chair. You can't let youtake the water with you, so if
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you really drink before you can youmaybe for you talking about or so if
you go into my daily can yougo back and forth again? Okay?
And so she's relates to it canbe returns. All right, you'll be
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a recess in til twelve ten orone times peria. When do you have
a disco a suscrision? What Ido? This on what happened? Back
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with per playings. Good seasons,