January 17, 2024 • 10 mins
E18: Dee Dee Blanchard Murder Trial Prosecution Rebuttal Closing Argument
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:01):
Bay, place of art is place, and gentlemen, if you wanted to
know if I could draw a pictureof a dog, you could examine my
education, how I did in artclass, whether I had some kind of
minion disease, and try to decidewhether I could do that based on all
(00:22):
that history. Or I could throwa dog and it might not be a
very good dog. But we knowI can draw a dog because I didn't.
And that's what happened in this case. You know the defendant deliberated because
you've seen the evidence. Manytimes,you have to figure that out. From
a homicide case based on someone's shootingsome way, you don't have as much
(00:45):
evidence. You have, not justhis statement, but years of evidence of
him deliberated. Let's talk about doctorFranks for a minute. Remember he diagnosed
him with AUTI and expect from disorderlevel to within experiment that said that that
was the same as his aspergers frombefore, and it was a mild form
(01:07):
of autism. And when I askedhim, does that diagnosis prevent someone suffering
in front of it from having astate of mind? That's the element of
offense. What did he tell me? No? I asked him, Well,
what should you look at to seeif they had the state of mind?
And what did he tell us everythingthat you could all the facts surrounding
the kids. Would it include statementsabout what the person said they were thinking
(01:33):
before they committed the crime. Yes, and he followed up that would be
the best indication house. I knewthere was no pony back. Those two
thoughts that came in my mind.One was it that that one thought,
and the one was them and nudgingthought it was almost like Kevin and a
double on one shoulder and a angelon the other. It's justally what happened
(01:57):
was I had a one thought inmy mind I don't know or appear,
and it just appeared. I didn'tknow. It was almost like identitally call
it God as what everyone likes tocall it, him talking to you or
an angel talking to you through him, maybe basically saying tature and run.
Those been that tature and run.And then it was the kind of feeling
(02:21):
that it was basically trying to influenceon me, as if I was somehow
going to get away with it,if I ran away with her and said
somehow we were able to check hermom at face better than she was able
to in the past and she ranaway. However, the other thought came
on my mind was because it sawas basically because the darker part of me
(02:45):
was also in love with the darkerpart of her, and because of it,
the thought was is uh, excusemy friends, But it basically said
this bitious death not letting her youbetween me and her and hiss debt.
Basically what the thoughtless? And unfortunatelyI had a bunting in my darker side
(03:07):
because I wanted to be with her. He wanted to be with her,
That's why he killed Claudine Lantern.He wanted a sex slave. Remember their
whole Gipsy talked about it. Youcan see it in the texts Daddy Master,
Daddy's girl. You heard her talkabout that relationship. How he entered
(03:28):
you, the humiliating things in ascript for him, he would not be
the first man who did awful andstupid things to have sex with a woman.
That's why he committed his crime.Who was to have Gypsy Blanchard for
himself? And how do you knowhe knew what he was doing when he
(03:49):
was in the interview with a detective. What did he do at the very
first of the part of that interview, he told the lie right, remember
how they were hiding in the closet, high ding the knife in the closet,
getting their stories together. He toldthe story they came up with.
Why is he worried about Gypsy?If you commit a crime with someone and
(04:11):
they're in the end of the roomand you've been separated, what are you
worried they're doing? Right? Givingit all up and he's got no idea,
told the story just as they hadplenty and then you know, you
don't remember again in the story aboutwhat they're going to tell her my own
dad. Of course, those storiesare gonna be slightly different. You have
to have a story for them aboutwhy Gypsy shows up at your house right
to live with you. Hopefully youdon't get caught, you never have to
(04:34):
tell the other story. But ifyou do get caught, you got to
have the story for the closet totell the police. At twenty six minutes
into the interview, and you'll callout doctor Frank said they had no eye
contact. You want to watch stacy'simbitt one again. They had plenty of
eye contact, normal hand gestures,no odd nonverbal communication. Twenty six minutes
(04:58):
in here and that's the purpose.And coming to Springfield was to kill GD
to be with talk about how hestabbed her many times. He had to
listen carefully at the part be Sotalksboys, there's more holes more belief cut
her neck to kill her quickly.D he young or Gypsy didn't stop him
going. In fact, he toldher stop resisting your no, your death.
(05:23):
Thought about raping DD but felt badkilling her, so he killed her
quickly. He's even deliberating about howto commit the crime as he's committed.
Had a special knocking the door tolet Gypsy know was him. Had warned
her don't you come in that room. Don't come near me because I might
hurt you. And then he talkedabout the sex with Gypsy after you have
(05:46):
to listen carefully for her. Hesays, obviously I was in charge,
which matches what Gypsy told you abouthow he initially wanted to rape d D
but instead she bargained with him.Flow her to him, was it a
rape fantasy they were playing out startedout that way. What she also tell
you that during it she told himto stop that. Doctor Denny, who
(06:12):
is very well educated, a smartguy, found errors with doctor Frank Swart.
Doctor Franks admitted his own errors toyou, though he doesn't even realize
it. He might recall that Iwas asking him about to defend this and
the example of someone with level one, and I asked him about a person
who they were will speak in fullsentences, who engages in communication, but
(06:35):
he's to and through conversation often failed, and the attempts to make friends are
odd to be unsuccessful. He greetsall those things for examples to match to
defend him. That's level one,not level two. You remember that,
So you look at the history.He's got a history of mild autism,
downgraded to ask for her syndrome andthen elevated, put back in the autism
(07:01):
spectrum and ask her shows away justbecomes part of the spectrum. His present
evaluation was either autism level one orlevel two. But even doctor Franks told
us that was mild. So yougotta look at the time of the offense
and what didn't he tell you,Just like doctor Franks, right, you
gotta look at all the facts,the defendant self report of what he was
(07:24):
thinking. He's told us a lotabout what he was thinking, and other
objective sources of information communication leading upto the offense. Web searches his communications
at the time with her. Theywant to distance themselves from those text messages,
but you just can't do it.And again all the way back to
(07:46):
fourteen, you know he was talkingabout the plan. You know it was
him. He was searching for thetape, and yeah, maybe they were
mixing their odd relationship with the murder, and maybe the bondage tape would be
to way, but we know hewanted to use it in the murder because
he said so. Again. Hewanted a machete. She couldn't get a
machete, so she got he thebest nice she could. He wanted to
(08:09):
tas her. He also remember thathe'd also read an article about someone had
been tased to death. So thetext they want to say, they don't
show any deliberation. He's finalizing theplan in his head, thinking about it
in the day, in the morning, in the day and hours before he
(08:31):
goes to kill Deep. Not onlythat, he was looking forward to it
and excited about it, and hewanted to make sure the gypsy, his
submissive sex partner, was like sheshould be when she remember he asked her
about how she was going to presentherself to an after the deed's time,
(08:54):
and he knew how he was goingto present himself. Did he do you
select this her particular purpose? Hedidn't just want to kill her, He
wanted to terrify her. That takesthought and plan it. Yeah, she
had gloves in the house because Ihave d D mistreated her, right,
they had medical glows. She didn'tlike go out special and get him.
(09:16):
But again, as we talked aboutbefore, you know, she suggested he
and Ia he wasn't much so underher power that he put on gloves and
was him said no, I'm gonnawear a mean When you read the instruction
and you listen to mister Perry's argument, he's again putting GD and gypsy on
child, but they're not on track. And it's not a question of like
(09:41):
my dog, was it a gooddog or a bad dog? It's not
whether it was a good decision ora bad decision. The question is did
he deliver it? Did he coollyreflect You have over a year's evidence of
him doing just that, And againit's poor reflect s upon the matter for
(10:01):
any length of time, no matterhow free would like to hear Rome or
I'm Rome and so far Uh shehad Baha bathroom uh ji actin. And
I went into least a minute andthought about it, which I really wanted
to do it, waited a minuteand thought about whether I really wanted to
(10:24):
do it. And then he did. You know that he deliberated. You
know that he cooarly reflected. Weasked you to find him guilty of murdering
the first degree in our criminal action. Thank you, Thank you. Very interesting
Bay, place of art is place, and gentlemen, if you wanted to
know if I could draw a pictureof a dog, you could examine my
education, how I did in artclass, whether I had some kind of
minion disease, and try to decidewhether I could do that based on all
(00:22):
that history. Or I could throwa dog and it might not be a
very good dog. But we knowI can draw a dog because I didn't.
And that's what happened in this case. You know the defendant deliberated because
you've seen the evidence. Manytimes,you have to figure that out. From
a homicide case based on someone's shootingsome way, you don't have as much
(00:45):
evidence. You have, not justhis statement, but years of evidence of
him deliberated. Let's talk about doctorFranks for a minute. Remember he diagnosed
him with AUTI and expect from disorderlevel to within experiment that said that that
was the same as his aspergers frombefore, and it was a mild form
(01:07):
of autism. And when I askedhim, does that diagnosis prevent someone suffering
in front of it from having astate of mind? That's the element of
offense. What did he tell me? No? I asked him, Well,
what should you look at to seeif they had the state of mind?
And what did he tell us everythingthat you could all the facts surrounding
the kids. Would it include statementsabout what the person said they were thinking
(01:33):
before they committed the crime. Yes, and he followed up that would be
the best indication house. I knewthere was no pony back. Those two
thoughts that came in my mind.One was it that that one thought,
and the one was them and nudgingthought it was almost like Kevin and a
double on one shoulder and a angelon the other. It's justally what happened
(01:57):
was I had a one thought inmy mind I don't know or appear,
and it just appeared. I didn'tknow. It was almost like identitally call
it God as what everyone likes tocall it, him talking to you or
an angel talking to you through him, maybe basically saying tature and run.
Those been that tature and run.And then it was the kind of feeling
(02:21):
that it was basically trying to influenceon me, as if I was somehow
going to get away with it,if I ran away with her and said
somehow we were able to check hermom at face better than she was able
to in the past and she ranaway. However, the other thought came
on my mind was because it sawas basically because the darker part of me
(02:45):
was also in love with the darkerpart of her, and because of it,
the thought was is uh, excusemy friends, But it basically said
this bitious death not letting her youbetween me and her and hiss debt.
Basically what the thoughtless? And unfortunatelyI had a bunting in my darker side
(03:07):
because I wanted to be with her. He wanted to be with her,
That's why he killed Claudine Lantern.He wanted a sex slave. Remember their
whole Gipsy talked about it. Youcan see it in the texts Daddy Master,
Daddy's girl. You heard her talkabout that relationship. How he entered
(03:28):
you, the humiliating things in ascript for him, he would not be
the first man who did awful andstupid things to have sex with a woman.
That's why he committed his crime.Who was to have Gypsy Blanchard for
himself? And how do you knowhe knew what he was doing when he
(03:49):
was in the interview with a detective. What did he do at the very
first of the part of that interview, he told the lie right, remember
how they were hiding in the closet, high ding the knife in the closet,
getting their stories together. He toldthe story they came up with.
Why is he worried about Gypsy?If you commit a crime with someone and
(04:11):
they're in the end of the roomand you've been separated, what are you
worried they're doing? Right? Givingit all up and he's got no idea,
told the story just as they hadplenty and then you know, you
don't remember again in the story aboutwhat they're going to tell her my own
dad. Of course, those storiesare gonna be slightly different. You have
to have a story for them aboutwhy Gypsy shows up at your house right
to live with you. Hopefully youdon't get caught, you never have to
(04:34):
tell the other story. But ifyou do get caught, you got to
have the story for the closet totell the police. At twenty six minutes
into the interview, and you'll callout doctor Frank said they had no eye
contact. You want to watch stacy'simbitt one again. They had plenty of
eye contact, normal hand gestures,no odd nonverbal communication. Twenty six minutes
(04:58):
in here and that's the purpose.And coming to Springfield was to kill GD
to be with talk about how hestabbed her many times. He had to
listen carefully at the part be Sotalksboys, there's more holes more belief cut
her neck to kill her quickly.D he young or Gypsy didn't stop him
going. In fact, he toldher stop resisting your no, your death.
(05:23):
Thought about raping DD but felt badkilling her, so he killed her
quickly. He's even deliberating about howto commit the crime as he's committed.
Had a special knocking the door tolet Gypsy know was him. Had warned
her don't you come in that room. Don't come near me because I might
hurt you. And then he talkedabout the sex with Gypsy after you have
(05:46):
to listen carefully for her. Hesays, obviously I was in charge,
which matches what Gypsy told you abouthow he initially wanted to rape d D
but instead she bargained with him.Flow her to him, was it a
rape fantasy they were playing out startedout that way. What she also tell
you that during it she told himto stop that. Doctor Denny, who
(06:12):
is very well educated, a smartguy, found errors with doctor Frank Swart.
Doctor Franks admitted his own errors toyou, though he doesn't even realize
it. He might recall that Iwas asking him about to defend this and
the example of someone with level one, and I asked him about a person
who they were will speak in fullsentences, who engages in communication, but
(06:35):
he's to and through conversation often failed, and the attempts to make friends are
odd to be unsuccessful. He greetsall those things for examples to match to
defend him. That's level one,not level two. You remember that,
So you look at the history.He's got a history of mild autism,
downgraded to ask for her syndrome andthen elevated, put back in the autism
(07:01):
spectrum and ask her shows away justbecomes part of the spectrum. His present
evaluation was either autism level one orlevel two. But even doctor Franks told
us that was mild. So yougotta look at the time of the offense
and what didn't he tell you,Just like doctor Franks, right, you
gotta look at all the facts,the defendant self report of what he was
(07:24):
thinking. He's told us a lotabout what he was thinking, and other
objective sources of information communication leading upto the offense. Web searches his communications
at the time with her. Theywant to distance themselves from those text messages,
but you just can't do it.And again all the way back to
(07:46):
fourteen, you know he was talkingabout the plan. You know it was
him. He was searching for thetape, and yeah, maybe they were
mixing their odd relationship with the murder, and maybe the bondage tape would be
to way, but we know hewanted to use it in the murder because
he said so. Again. Hewanted a machete. She couldn't get a
machete, so she got he thebest nice she could. He wanted to
(08:09):
tas her. He also remember thathe'd also read an article about someone had
been tased to death. So thetext they want to say, they don't
show any deliberation. He's finalizing theplan in his head, thinking about it
in the day, in the morning, in the day and hours before he
(08:31):
goes to kill Deep. Not onlythat, he was looking forward to it
and excited about it, and hewanted to make sure the gypsy, his
submissive sex partner, was like sheshould be when she remember he asked her
about how she was going to presentherself to an after the deed's time,
(08:54):
and he knew how he was goingto present himself. Did he do you
select this her particular purpose? Hedidn't just want to kill her, He
wanted to terrify her. That takesthought and plan it. Yeah, she
had gloves in the house because Ihave d D mistreated her, right,
they had medical glows. She didn'tlike go out special and get him.
(09:16):
But again, as we talked aboutbefore, you know, she suggested he
and Ia he wasn't much so underher power that he put on gloves and
was him said no, I'm gonnawear a mean When you read the instruction
and you listen to mister Perry's argument, he's again putting GD and gypsy on
child, but they're not on track. And it's not a question of like
(09:41):
my dog, was it a gooddog or a bad dog? It's not
whether it was a good decision ora bad decision. The question is did
he deliver it? Did he coollyreflect You have over a year's evidence of
him doing just that, And againit's poor reflect s upon the matter for
(10:01):
any length of time, no matterhow free would like to hear Rome or
I'm Rome and so far Uh shehad Baha bathroom uh ji actin. And
I went into least a minute andthought about it, which I really wanted
to do it, waited a minuteand thought about whether I really wanted to
(10:24):
do it. And then he did. You know that he deliberated. You
know that he cooarly reflected. Weasked you to find him guilty of murdering
the first degree in our criminal action. Thank you, Thank you. Very interesting
Popular Podcasts
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com