Day 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning stuff. I'm going to ask you to please
come on up, please step into the witness box. Watch
your step as you enter the witness box. Please remain standing.
Madame Clirk is going to take your rows. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Please read me right now?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Do you solemnly swear or solemnly and sincerely as the
case movie that the evidence you shall get in this case.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Please see your full name spelling.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Your last name Griffin Joseph Martins and they are ci c.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Z y K see yours.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I think you may be seated, man inquirer, you may
thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 6 (00:47):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm good?

Speaker 6 (00:48):
How are you Griffin? Can you tell the ladies and
jump in the jury?

Speaker 7 (00:52):
How?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
How old are you you are at this moment? I'm nineteen?

Speaker 6 (00:56):
And uh do you work?

Speaker 8 (00:57):
I do?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
What do you do for a living?

Speaker 8 (00:59):
I do?

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Say?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Was it iron solar pros?

Speaker 6 (01:01):
Iron?

Speaker 4 (01:02):
What iron solar pros?

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Okay, just keep your voice up, Okay, we're soft spoken.
And how long you been working?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Were you working? Was seven months?

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Seven months? And are you nervous?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:17):
And prior to today's testimony, have you.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
And I met? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:21):
And why did we meet?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Because of this instance?

Speaker 6 (01:25):
And I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay, how old were you back then? I was sixteen?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
And were you in school? I was Where were you
in school?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
I was a sophomore at Shout in high school?

Speaker 6 (01:38):
And did you play any sports?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I played football on lacrosse.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Now, I want to direct your attention to around six
pm on May fourteenth and twenty twenty two. Can tell
a ladies and gentlemen the jury what you were doing
around that time?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was scared ready and headed over to one of
my friend's houses.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
And what from were your friend's house?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Were you going to my friend Natalia?

Speaker 6 (01:59):
And?

Speaker 9 (02:00):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Did you go there with anybody?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
I went with my buddy Ryan Hines? And how how
do you know Ryan Hines? He moved to Shouting in
seventh or eighth grade. We played football together ever since then.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
And when you got to Natalia's house, did you did
you stay long?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Decently? Not terribly? We were there for a few hours.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
A few hours. And when you got to Natalia's house,
what kind of things were you doing there?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
There was a small group of us. We were just
hanging out. I had a drink or two. It was
really just kind of sitting around hanging out.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
And when you said you had a drink or two,
what kind of things were you drinking?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Beers?

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Beers and you said you had to two beers?

Speaker 8 (02:45):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
And at some point in time did you come to
leave Natalia's house? At some point in time?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah? And why did you leave Italian's house? So me
and Heines were a little bit bored, and we had
known that our buddy Austin Leiffer was throwing a party,
and I'd grown up with him, so I gave him
a text and I was like, hey, do you mind
if me and Hines came? He told us, yeah, I
feel free come on over. So we had a basically

(03:13):
my cousin Tanner pick us up and he dropped us
off there.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
Now, you say, Austin Leifer, how do you know Austin Leifer?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I've known him since we were young, fourth grade and
we played sports together and went to school together.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
And they were having a party at their house. Yeah,
And where does Austin live if you can ball.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't know the number of maybe five Lazybrook.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Rode Lazybrook Road. And so at some point your cousin
Tanner a Tanner who Tarnowski?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (03:41):
And is he your blood relative?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
No, We've just known each other since we were big born, okay.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
And at some point Tanner comes and picks you and
who else up?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Ryan?

Speaker 8 (03:51):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Just the two of you. And when he picks you up,
where does he take.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
You to Austin's house?

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Okay? And when you get to Austin's house around what
time of.

Speaker 10 (03:59):
Night was.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
I'm not sure? Maybe around ten? Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:05):
And when you got to Austin's house?

Speaker 10 (04:07):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Who got out of the car? Me and Hines? And
did Tanner get out of the car?

Speaker 6 (04:12):
No, he left, So Tanner just dropped you off on
line yea. And when you got out of the car,
tell the ladies and jump the jury what happened during
that sequence of events?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Me and Hines step out of the car, begin walking
up the driveway.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Let me let me stop you there. Did you bring
anything with you too?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Lazy Hines? Out of the twelve rack of beer? Twelve
pack of beer? What kind of beer was? I believe
bud light? Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:34):
And when you got out of the car, you and
Hines tell us what ew and Hines did.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
After that, we began to go in. We entered the garage,
and then we were encountered by three Saint Joe's kids
asking us basically who we are, basically which we expected,
like what are we doing here this and that we
told them Austin that invited us.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
They sustained, I'm going to strike what mister Hines said
or what the other person stated. So if you took
a note on it, please discarded. Strike it from your notes.
It's not to be considered for evidence in this case.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Okay, So without telling us what they said, did you
have a conversation with these three individuals?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes? And do you know who these three individuals were
at that given time? They were just three Sjy kids
to me, do you know who they are now? Yes?
And who are they? Tyler de Silva, Jack Snyder and
Raoul Valley? Okay?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
And is Raoul Valley in court today?

Speaker 4 (05:29):
He is? And what is he wearing? Black suit?

Speaker 6 (05:31):
And can you point him out? For the ladies and
gentlemen of the jury, the record reflect the witness identified
the defendant.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
In this case, court will let the record reflect the
witness identified the defendant.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
You may proceed, And does the defendant have a nickname?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (05:45):
Name Liedo Lido. So when you and Hines got to
the Saint Joe's party, the defendant and his two friends
confronted you yeah and Heinz yes, And without telling us
what anybody said? What was that confrontation?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Like between two dudes you never see each other. They
were in a place where they were comfortable with, not
knowing that was a place we were also comfortable with.
So they were a little who are you guys, what's
going on? Blah blah blah kind of hostile, Not really,
but it escalates when one of them grabs Hinds's beer

(06:25):
out of his hand that we move outside.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Well, let me stop you there before before you move outside,
does the defendant say anything to you or Heines?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
When you're when you're when you're confronted by him and
Tyler or Jack, I don't remember specifically.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
And at some point in time, someone takes Hinds his beer?
Who takes Hins his beer?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Jack Snyder?

Speaker 6 (06:46):
And when that happens, what's the reaction that, if anything,
that Hines has at that.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Moment, He's a pissed off that someone just grabs his
beer out of his hand. So we move outside. Afterwards,
the two of them conclude that they'd fight for the
beer back.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Okay, and the two of them that you were referring
and Jack Snyder okay, And at some point in time
did they confront each other as if they were going
to fight?

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Were you present and witnessed this happening and when that happened? What,
if anything, can you tell us about where withdrawn based
on your recollection? Do you know if Tyler di Silva
was present.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
At that moment? Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:31):
And where was where was he standing at that moment?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
So Heines and Snyder are looking at each other. He's
sl Snyder's left, so if i'm, if i'm, if you're,
if you're I'm and i'm the Silva is right there.

Speaker 11 (07:47):
So he's over to.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Jack's left.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
Yes, okay, was the defendant president when this was happening?

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yes? And when.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
You recall where he was standing before when Jack.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
And he was right here to Hines behind him to
his right like peripheral. Okay, Now, when.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
What do you recall about what happened next?

Speaker 4 (08:15):
When you were a witness, sings They both put their
hands up, they're about it begin fighting, and the first
punch was thrown but by Leto from the back and
it hit Heines in this back of the back side
of the head, and then he Hines instantly takes Snyder
to the ground.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
So if you're if you're Jack, I'm Ryan. The defendant
is here and he punches Jet Ryan in the face
from behind. Yes, okay, tell us when that happens. What
occurs next?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Heines instantly go takes him to the ground. And this
is this is like a thirty second thing that from
start to finish. And once he gets to the ground,
a girl they all knew is like trying to break
it up. Uh, he had a Leto had a motorcycle
helmet on. He had taken it off and struck Hines
with it once or twice hit him in the head.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
When the fight starts, after the defendant punches Ryan from
the behind, does anybody else jump in the fight.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Once they get to the ground. Uh, Leto hits him
with the with the helmet, So yeah, I guess that's
jumping into the fight.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Did Tyler jump into the fight the.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Way they fell? I only saw like his upper body.
I didn't see any fists, so maybe he kicked, but
I'm not here to say so.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
At some point in time, Jack and Ryan are engaged
in a fight. And you what do you witness the
defendant do.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Hit him with the motorcycle helmet?

Speaker 6 (09:44):
So he comes over and hits him with the helmet.
How does he hit him with the helmet?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Takes it off and strikes him down on it twice?
I believe.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Okay, do you recall what Tyler di Silva was wearing
that night?

Speaker 4 (09:57):
A powder blue jersey? Was o been like a white
shirt on I think jeans?

Speaker 6 (10:02):
And do you recall what the defendant was wearing that night?

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Also a powder blue shirt with black I think sweatpants?
And do you were call what Jack Snyder was wearing
that night a red hoodie even black sweatpants.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Approach the waiting sharnor yes, showing you what's been marked
the state's exhibit fifty three for identification purposes. Do you
recognize fifty three?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
And what is fifty three?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
A picture of Jack Snyder and the defendant?

Speaker 6 (10:31):
And is this did you take this picture?

Speaker 9 (10:35):
No?

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Now?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Is this is this how you remember what the defendant
was wearing on the night in question?

Speaker 11 (10:42):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (10:45):
And is this a picture actually reflect what Jack was
wearing that Yes? Unless there's an objection, I would offer
it at this moment, no objection.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
That all right, cordial accepting it. Have it in the
state's fifty three.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Showing your state's fifty three again now for the jury's benefit. Uh,
is that the defendant to the right there, Yes, and
that's Jack Snyder to the left.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
Now you indicated that after the fight it lasted about
thirty seconds maybe forty when the when the fight eventually ended. Uh,
what if anything did you.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
And or Ryan do next? The mom comes out, Lifer's
mom comes out running or yelling like obviously there's a
fight in a driveway, a kind of just get up,
gather as things, tries to find some of his beers
they had spilt. Uh, think you grabbed a couple of them.
We headed down the driveway, we met a group of

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girls who had just witnessed that as well, and we
had offered or asked them to bring us back to
our friend's house, and they said yes, they brought us
back to our friend Italia's house.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
And then when you went back to the Talia's house,
let me ask you this, Between the time you were
at five Lazy Brook to the time you went back
to Natalia's house where you're drinking any alcohol, no when
you got back to Natalia's house. How long would you.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Say you were at Natalia's house for when the girls
dropped you off, maybe around like ten to fifteen minutes.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
And when you were at Natalia's house were you drinking
alcohol at that point?

Speaker 12 (12:25):
No?

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Did you observe Ryan Hines drinking alcohol that point? No? Now,
at some point in time between leaving Lazybrook Road and
getting to Natalia's house, was there any communication between you
or anybody else over any type of message?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Not at that point?

Speaker 6 (12:47):
No? Okay, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury,
what if anything occurred between the time you left Natalia's house?

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Well, withdrawn.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
At some point in time you were there for how long?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
About fifteen minutes? Fifteen minutes? And at some point you left? Yes,
why did you leave Natalia's house? A close friend of mine,
Charlie Connory, had given me a call, had heard about
what happens with Hines, and he said he was coming
to grab us.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Without telling us what he said.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Okay, you can't tell us what he said.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Did Charlie Connery call you?

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Did you have a conversation with Charlie Conny and did
you tell him what you observed at five Lazybrook Road, Yes, okay.
And at some point in time did somebody pick you
up at Natalia's house? And who picked you up, Charlie?

Speaker 4 (13:30):
And when he picked you up, where did you go
to Tyler Rich's house? Okay?

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Now, between the time you left Natalia's house the time
you got to Tyler Rich's house, were there any communications
between we'll we'll call it you and your shelting friends
and the Saint Joe's kids.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yes, some would be gone.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Okay, can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen
of the jury what that was without telling us what
people said?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
We were in a basketball group chat. What does that mean?

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Basketball group chat?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
It means that prior to this incident, it was an
existing group chat. There was two other Saint Joe's kids
in it that we hung out with and we would
go play basketball pickup games, you know, kids stuff. And
once this had happened, they a few people were added
into the group chat and then it became very argumentative,

(14:28):
going back and forth because of the fight, and there's
just boys talking crap to each other, beefing.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
And were you in that group chat?

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (14:40):
And did you engage anybody in that group chat, yeah, okay,
And what kind of things were you saying in that
group chat?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
We were talking, talking crap back and forth. At one
point it was said within the group chat on their
behalf it was it was hostile, argumentative. We were both
going back and forth. We were hot, our boy had
just been had been jumped by three kids. So we
were acting out of emotions, you know, being like boys,

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just like go talking ship back and forth.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
Okay, Uh, I'm gonna show you what's been marked the
states Exhibit five exhibiting Uh do you recognize States five?

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes? And what is the richest house?

Speaker 6 (15:24):
That's Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yes. How do you know Tyler Rich from the same town.
I've always just kind of been around each other since
we were younger, you grew up with them. Yeah yeah,
And uh.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Uh what time of night would you say you got
to Tyler Rich's house? Probably around eleven eleven? Yes, okay,
was it dark out?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
What was the lighting like? Well, the sun was down, yeah,
so it was nighttime, but the moon was out. Wasn't
terribly dark if we were able to see you outside,
I'm good. Was it pitch black?

Speaker 6 (16:08):
No? And when you got to Tyler Rich's house. Was
this group chat, this basketball group chat between the Shelton
kids and Saint Joe's kids. Did that continue when you
were at Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Was everybody that was withdrawn? How many people would you
say were at Tyler Richard's house when you and Ryan
got to Tayler richards.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
House, probably around thirty forty.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
They approach your ownner, showing you what's been marked the
State's exhibit fifty four for identification purposes? You recognize fifty four?

Speaker 12 (16:40):
I do?

Speaker 4 (16:40):
And what is State's fifty four picture of Faison TiO?
And how do you know Faison Till? I played football
with them in high school?

Speaker 6 (16:47):
And does this picture actively accurately reflect what Faison Till
looked like on or about five fourteen of twenty twenty two. Yes,
showing your state's exhibit fifty five for identification purposes. Do
you recognize States fifty five?

Speaker 10 (17:00):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (17:01):
And how do you recognize stage fifty five?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Tommy Connery Charlie's older brother. I've known their family for
some time.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
And how do you know you've known him for some time?

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (17:12):
And are you friends with Tommy or Charlie Moore?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
How does that I was friends with Charlie because he's
a year older than me, so that made me be
friends with Tommy as well.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
And does this Stage fifty five accurately reflect what Tommy
look like on or around May fourteenth or twenty twenty two? Yes,
showing you stage exhibit fifty six? You recognize fifty six?

Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
And what is State's fifty six photo of Ryan Hines?

Speaker 6 (17:43):
And how do you know Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Once he moved to Shelton? We were kind of just
boys from sports?

Speaker 6 (17:49):
What kind of sports?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Football?

Speaker 6 (17:51):
And does this picture accurately reflect what Ryan Hines looked
like on May fifteenth of twenty twenty two? Yes, Brian,
I'm able to show you States fifty seven. Do you
recognize States fifty seven?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
I do?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
And how do you recognize Stage fifty seven?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
It's a picture of my friend Jimmy Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
How do you know Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
When I first switched over to public schools in third grade,
I met him on the bus.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
And does this picture accurately reflect Jimmy McGrath on May
fourteenth of twenty twenty two? Yeah, what he appeared like
on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Yeah, John, without objection,
I would I offer these is full exhibits. Thank thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Having more, Madame Plectors went through fifty.

Speaker 11 (18:36):
Seven correct, Yes, thank you showing you your state's fifty four.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Now publishing that the jury, uh stage fifty four is
again Faison two and was Faison president at forty three
Laurel Lend Tyler Rich's house on the night of May
fourteenth and twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yes, showing you fifty five?

Speaker 11 (19:02):
Who is what's fifty five?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
A picture up again the picture of Tommy Connery and.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Was Tommy Connery president at Tyler Rich's house on May
fourteenth of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
Showing you fifty six? Who is what is fifty six?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Again a picture of who Ryan Hines?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Was?

Speaker 11 (19:21):
Ryan Hines?

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Is that the same Ryan Hines you mentioned that was
with you with lazy Brook earlier in the night and
went with you to Tyler Richards house. Yes, finally fifty seven.
Can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury
who fifty.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Seven is Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 11 (19:37):
It was Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
At forty three Laurel Glenn Tyler Rich's house. When you
went there that night. Yes, I'm going to show your
stage twelve. Do you recognize days twelve?

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (19:50):
And how do you recognize day as fall?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It's Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Now. Are you familiar with an Enrico Fiola or Rickey Field?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:00):
How are you familiar with him?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Played sports with them? I've known him since probably sixth grade?

Speaker 6 (20:06):
And was he present at forty three Laurel Glenn on
the night of May fourteenth or twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Are you familiar with sal Perry? Yes? And how are
you familiar with sal Perry?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Our families are friends?

Speaker 6 (20:18):
And was he present at forty three Laurel Glenn on
the night of May fourteenth of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Are you familiar with Mike sam Parry?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:26):
And how are you familiar with Mike sam Perry?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I grew up with him as well?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
And was he present at Tyler Rich's house on May
fourteenth of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Are you familiar with an Alex Bernstone?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
How are you familiar with Alex Bernston?

Speaker 4 (20:40):
He's Tanner's friend. That's how I met him.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
And was he present at Tyler Rich's house on the
night of May fourteenth, twenth. How about Charlie Connery? Was
Charlie Connery president at Tyler Richard's house on the night
of May fourteenth, Yes, twenty twenty two. And how about
Jacob Villa Lobos. Are you familiar with Jacob Villa Lobos?

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (21:00):
How are you familiar with Jacob?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
He was my captain captain for what football?

Speaker 6 (21:03):
And was he present at forty three Laurel Glenn?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (21:08):
On May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. How about Matt Lakovich?
Are you familiar with a Matt Lakovich?

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
And how are you familiar with him?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
He was also my football captain.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
And was he present at Tyler Rich's house on the
night of May fourteenth of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Now, when you got to Tyler Rich's house at around
eleven pm?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
What kind of you said?

Speaker 6 (21:29):
There were about thirty kids there?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah? What kind of things were going on.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
When you got to Tyler Rich's house on May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Typical high school things? You know, down in the basement
listening to music, A couple of people. I drinks?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Did you drink?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Now?

Speaker 4 (21:46):
While I was at the Riches? No? I'm sorry, not
while I was at the Riches.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
No, you didn't drink at all at Tyler Riches's house.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I could have had a beer, okay. Have you drank before? Yeah,
prior prior to Lazybrook.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Okay, how about prior to May fourteenth, twenty two. Have
you ever had a beer before?

Speaker 11 (22:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Have you ever been intoxicated before?

Speaker 11 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (22:10):
I May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Were you intoxicated?

Speaker 11 (22:13):
No?

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Now, how long would you say you were at Tyler
Rich's house while the group chat was going on, probably
about like twenty five minutes and after about twenty five minutes,
well withdrawn. During that twenty five minutes, did you say
anything in that group chat with regards to forty three

(22:37):
Laurel Black.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yes, as we were all together going over with this
group chat, we're talking, they're talking. It was kind of
just like I was collected with a couple of people.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Tell them pull up, So I did, so, you told
him to pull up. And when you told them to
pull up, how did they know where to get get to?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I said the road name. I'm sorry, you said the
road name? Okay?

Speaker 6 (23:04):
And at some point in time after that twenty five minutes,
did something happen that you became.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Aware of outside of forty three Laurel Glen. I'm not
sure who, but someone had pointed out that there was
a car outside. We kind of all collectively headed up
out through the back and went outside see and saw
the car. I may have a moment, owner, can I?

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Yes, showing you what's been marked the state's exhibit forty nine.
Do you recognize forty nine? Yes? Okay, This is an
overhead shot of.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
What the richest household.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
Okay, and that would be this house here to the
left of forty nine, kind of covered by some shoes
with the three pickup trucks in the driveway. Yeah, that's
thew the richest health Yeah, I got to.

Speaker 11 (23:50):
Be the record reflect that.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
I'm pointing to the house with the black, blue and
white truck parked in the driveway.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, so not thank you.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Wow, at some point in time a car arrives. Yeah,
what kind of car was it?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I believe a Honda Pilot.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
JO when you state's thirty, is that the Honda Pilot
you saw pull up or in the area of forty
two Laurel Land on May fourteenth, twenty one to two. Yes, okay,
and when this Honda pilot pulled up. Can you tell
the ladies and gentlemen of the jury where you saw
the car when you exited? Well? Which when you when

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you when you were aware became aware that there was
a car outside of Tyler Rich's house? Uh, what if
anything did you do?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
We all came outside. At first it was like where's
the car? And then we had noticed closer to at
like the bottom of the road, like where the road
meets that road, a car was added to like the
chain of cars that were there, and we had recognized
that we didn't know what car that was, so we
all kind of made our way over to it realized

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that they were in the car.

Speaker 11 (25:02):
Now I'm going to take you back now, okay, back up.
This is the state's exhibit six.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Okay, Tyler Richard's house, right, yes, okay. When you were
in Tyler Richards house, were you inside the house or
outside the house?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Both?

Speaker 11 (25:16):
Both?

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Okay? When you may became aware that there was a
car that arrived in the area at Tyler Richard's house,
were you inside.

Speaker 11 (25:21):
The house or outside the house?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Inside?

Speaker 11 (25:23):
Okay? And where were you inside the house?

Speaker 4 (25:25):
We're in the basement, okay.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
And at some point in time when you heard there
was a car that arrived at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 11 (25:32):
Did you exit the basement?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yes? How did you exit the basement through like the
umbilical doors in the.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Back local doors? Those are like the basement door.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
It's kind of blurry, but in point runner.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Certainly that's fine if he feels comfortable doing that. And
certainly of course you were.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
There, right you point right? So right around here is
the ste brings.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
You from around back?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Okay, so you're on.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Did the record here reflect that the witness pointed to
this area just in front of the blue truck in
state six, in the in the back area where there
curs to be an.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
Air conditioning unit.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (26:17):
Okay, in this opening.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Here area here, thank you. And when you came out
of the Belcote doors, are you able to describe to
the lazy and gentle the jury in states Exhibit forty nine,
How where you did you observe the car when you
walk right out the Bellcote doors?

Speaker 11 (26:39):
At first?

Speaker 4 (26:40):
No, you came around the house.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
So you came around the house. Did you come around
the house? And for the jury and the and the
record's benefit, did you come out this way where the
Patrick Grasses jumped to.

Speaker 11 (26:51):
The left of the blue truck. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Sorry.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
Did you walk down the driveway.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I believe so, okay.

Speaker 11 (27:02):
And when you walked to the driveway, did you walk to.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
The end of the driveway?

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
And when you got to the end of the driveway,
tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury what you observed.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
At that point.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
We had noticed that the car was about where those
trees are equivalent parks right about there.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
So if I for the.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
Records benefits, are you referring to these trees right here?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (27:27):
So? Was the car park in the middle of the.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
Road side of the road?

Speaker 9 (27:31):
I was?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
It was pulled up on to the side on the
side of the road, so right about here. Yeah, so
you're on the record.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
Can reflect these trees at.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
The bottom of State forty nine, the bottom right hand
group of trees, just after the intersection of Laurel Len
and Adams.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
All right, that's noted, thank you.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
So the car was parked there?

Speaker 11 (27:52):
Yeah, when the car was parked there, did you approach
the car?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, we all did, okay.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
And when you say you all did, how many people
do you think approach the car?

Speaker 4 (28:00):
If you know at least twenty okay.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
And do you recall who was present when you approach
the car in the car in your group? You know,
in your group, not specifically, Okay, it was Tyler rich president,
if you recall.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I don't recall who was outside. So there was about
twenty kids? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
And when you approached the car, was the car facing
uh forwards? Adams are away from Adams away down, So
if we're looking at you approach your arms. Okay, this
is stage one. So when the cars parked, it's part

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this way facing towards Farmhouse Road.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 11 (28:47):
And you approach the car, yes?

Speaker 6 (28:50):
And did you recognize anybody in the car?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Who did you recognize in the car? D?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Silva, Snyder and Ledo from prior at the Lifers.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
You noticed the defendant was in the car, Jack Snyder
and Tyler to Silva. Did you notice if there was
anybody else.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
In the car? I think so, but I'm not sure who.
At that moment, you weren't sure who else was in
the car.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Now, can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen
of the jury what happened when you when your Shelton
friends went out to the car.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
They start talking, start going back and forth. We're saying
stuff to them, They're saying stuff to us. Was it
a civil discussion? Was it argumentative? Argumentative? Did you say anything? No,
I was. I was in the front. I wasn't at
any windows. You were in the front? Yeah? What do

(29:47):
you mean? You were in the front like where I
was standing. I was kind of looking through the windshield.
So if you were, you were.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
If the car is parked here on the right side
and say it's forty, you were somewhere up here in
front of the car. Yeah, now this is the car here.
Are you directly in front of the car?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Are you? I'm more towards the path like the passenger side.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
Ye, so you're closer to the curve than you are
to the center of the room. Yeah, okay, but still
in front of the car.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
And how long would you say the interaction went on
between your friends and.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
In the Saint Joe's group a few minutes? Did you
you were?

Speaker 6 (30:35):
Call who was driving the pilot that night?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Jack Snyder?

Speaker 6 (30:39):
And your call if you can.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Who was in the front passenger seat? I don't recall.
I just saw the powder blue in the front and
back Okay, and.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
You said about five minutes that interaction went on. Yeah,
And at some point in time, what did something happen
between your group of friends and the Snyder vehicle.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Group of friends. Yeah, as they're talking back and forth
and then collectively people start like holding out of the
roof racks and shaking it back and forth.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
So your group started shaking the car and what what else?

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Excuse me?

Speaker 6 (31:19):
What else happened during that.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
The car was on. So once that started happening, they
put it in drive and drove forward and had to
like hop out of the way a little bit, and
they sped down the road, so you had to hop
out of the way.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
When the car drove down the road, how was it
being operated?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
If you can if you recall speeding.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
And when you say it went down the road, it
took off towards farmhouse.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
And when it took off down the road towards farmhouse,
what if anything did you observe at that point?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
They what happens after the drive away is they can
continue to drive back and forth from the rich's house
up and down the road.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
So they're driving Stay nine up in back down lau Atlan.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, I'm not exactly positive. If they hit a U
turn or if you.

Speaker 11 (32:12):
See it's like a square.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
So I don't really remember if they drove the square
or if they just busted a uie and came back
and forth, But they came. They came back and forth
across the house multiple times. Okay.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
And when they crossed the house multiple times, What if
anything did you observe people from the car.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Doing they were throwing things that I was we were
throwing things at them. What kind of things were they
throwing at you? I believe there was a w D
forty can like a water jug of some sort.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
And when those things were thrown at you, guys, what
if anything did you observe your group of friends do
throw it back? You throw it back at them?

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Did you witness anybody throw anything and hit the car?

Speaker 10 (32:49):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (32:50):
Not.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I don't recall if anyone hit the car.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Are you aware if the car was hit with anything?

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (32:56):
And uh at some point in time did they stop
driving back and forth in front of Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
And when they stopped doing that, what if anything did
you observe as to where the car went? They had
moved towards where Farmhouse Lane is and stopped the car.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
I'll back on the corner of it.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
So for the jersey and the record, benet that this
is stage one and we're looking at stakes one. They're
somewhere in the area of the intersection of Farmhouse and
Laurel Blend Yes, okay. And would you say they were
in front did you see them in front of this
house or was it more towards the intersection.

Speaker 11 (33:33):
I was far away, so you couldn't tell exactly what
they were in this area?

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Uh? And you're the record's like the witness was saying
they were in the area of the intersection of Farmhouse
Road and thirty six.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's noted, thank you.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
And when you were down the road, when you when
you saw them the car stop down the road, did
you observe anything about about uh, the occupants.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Of the car.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
I think two of them have gotten out. And could
you see who got out of the car?

Speaker 6 (34:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
I could not see specifically, okay.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
And when when you notice those individuals get out of
the car, what what if anything did you observe next?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Two of my friends, maybe more, but Ricky and Tyler
had began walking down to go speak with them.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
And when you say Ricky, you mean Ricky Fiola.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
And when you say Tyler you mean Tyler Rich.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yes. And they went down the road.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Did you see them go down all the way down
the road?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I saw them when they got pretty close, and then
I had headed back inside.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
Did you observe Tyler Rich or Ricky Fiola do anything
when they were going down the road? No? Did you
hear anything? Not what people said, But did you hear
anything any any argument or anything down the road from
where you were? No?

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
And you say that at that some point in time
you went back into the house. And when you went
back into the house, how did you enter Tyler the
same way I left the door, So you walked.

Speaker 11 (35:06):
Before you get back into the house.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
Can you show me on stage forty nine where you
were standing when the car finally went down the road.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, kind of like around the mailbox, like poked out
in the road a little bit. Just saw the boys
walking down there.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
My fingers pointed in the road here, just in front
of the mailbox forty nine. Is that about where you
were standing?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah? In that general area, okay.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
And when you went back you are the record coming
black point my fingers, pointing to the front of the
mailbox just about maybe five feet into the road.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Cardinal noted, thank you.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
And when you went back into Tyler Rich's house, did
you walk up the driveway and go inside the billco doors.

Speaker 11 (35:42):
Or did you go in the house a different way?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I took the same route, okay.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
And when you were back in the house, when you
were back in Tyler Rich's house, how long would you
say you were in Tyler Rich's.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
House for it at that time? A few minutes, a
few minutes.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
And when you were back in Tyler Rich's house, were
you consuming any alcohol?

Speaker 10 (36:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
And how many people would you say we're inside the
house when you went back inside the house at that
moment almost all of us?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
And at some point in time did you come back
outside the house?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (36:13):
And why did you go back outside the house.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Because they had came back? When you say they had
come back, who came back? Well, when we got outside,
Lido and Dusova, we're out of their car. Okay. Now,
show you stayed fifty two Okay.

Speaker 11 (36:31):
Now, when you came out of the house, what route
did you take?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
The same route I had been taken, went a little
revered a little left because they were approaching towards the yard.
I'll show you State's fifty.

Speaker 11 (36:44):
It's a little close review.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
When you came out of Tyler Rich's house, he came
out this side of the house where the Billco doors were. Yeah,
and I'm pointing to the area just in the front
of there's an opening between some trees and the house,
just in front of the blot truck here right, Yeah, okay,
And when you came out of that house, what route
did you take?

Speaker 11 (37:05):
Kind of describe it.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Kind of like exactly where that blue truck is and
then went cut towards the grass.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
So did you come down to the left side of
the blue truck and go out to the right this
way over to the cement block area, or did you
go out of the side of the house and take
a right in front of the blue truck past the
black truck and come down the uh we'll call it
the driver's side.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Of the black truck. I mean, the blue truck wasn't
there at the time, so we kind of just walked
down like exactly where it is and then they bended
into the grass.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
So I may have a moment.

Speaker 11 (37:44):
I'm gonna show you stage five.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
When you came out of the Belco doors right where
this air conditioning is, in front of the opening where
this blue truck is. Did you come down the left
side of this blue truck and through the middle of
the between the blue truck and the white jeep or
did you come down the passenger side of this blue
truck towards this area the passenger side, So you came

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out the billcot door, took a quick left and then
down down the grass area where the.

Speaker 11 (38:19):
Cobblestone block is. Yes, okay?

Speaker 6 (38:22):
And where did you end up when you first when
you first went outside.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Like right in between that that slab and red bush
in that area?

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Okay, So I'm showing you the states for the record.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
This is obviously a more recent picture.

Speaker 11 (38:45):
Was this green tree here?

Speaker 9 (38:47):
No?

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (38:48):
And when you came down where can you point to
the area in States fifty two where you came uh, where.

Speaker 11 (38:56):
You used to in this general facility right here?

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (39:00):
So in the record reflect just above the area of
this square cement looks like possibly a septic cap. Then
here the red bush all right? And when you stood there,
what was the lighting like at that?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
I think there might have been a light on from
the driveway, slightly illuminating. It was dim light, moon was out,
it wasn't terribly dark. You were able to see.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Did anybody have flashlights on?

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 6 (39:33):
How were they having how what were they using to illuminate?

Speaker 4 (39:36):
What was going on? Phone? Flashlights? Okay?

Speaker 6 (39:39):
And when you got outside, tell the ladies and gentlemen
the jury what you observed initially when you.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Got to that area. So when we get outside, the
cars pulls up facing towards Adams.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
Kind of like, where do you know where it's parked?
In that picture of fifty two? It's like the call
would be right right here, this would be the car.
So can the record reflect that the car is parked
in fifty two to the right lower area it would
would appear to be the middle.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Of the road.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Carl, thank you, cordl not to thank you.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
So when the car was parked there, tell me what
you observed.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Leado and Da Silva hop out of the car, start
approaching the property. Obviously there's arguments going back and forth.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
How are they approaching the property? Can you recall how
they were approaching the property?

Speaker 4 (40:32):
They were just like if I was like how I
saw them Yeah. From my view, the one on the
right was da Silva. Aldo was on the left, so
on Tyler's right.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
So, if I'm standing.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
In that area where you pointed out in fifty two
between the red bush and what looks like to be
the septic cap, we'll call.

Speaker 11 (40:51):
It that, you see Tyler de Silva to your right
and Leado to your left.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
The defendant.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, okay? Is there anybody else with them? The driver?
But they were just alone out of the vehicle.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
And when you observed, when you observed Tyler and the
defendant get out of the car, how many people from
your group were outside majority? And do you recall if
there was not what people said, but you recalled there
was a verbal interaction between anybody from your group and

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the defendant and or Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah, there was. There was stuff being said back and forth.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
What kind of things? Not what they said, but what
was the manner in which the things were being said?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Okay? And was your group being argumentative?

Speaker 6 (41:38):
Both both cars, so the defendant and Tyler dis Silva
were being argumentative back? Yeah, did it look like they
were trying to be peaceful?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
No, but neither did we And when.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
So, can you tell on stage fifty two, where approximately
you observed Tyler de Silva was as opposed to where
the defendant was. This this would be probably about da Silva.
And when there was an interaction between your group and
the defendant and mister d Silva, where did that interaction,
that verbal interaction take place? As they were walking up

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a little bit on the grass as well, a little
bit on the grass just passed the curb area.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (42:23):
And who was talking to?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Now?

Speaker 4 (42:28):
What was said?

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Who was talking to Tyler de Silva or arguing with
Tyler de Silva at that moment?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Do you recall a couple of people Rich was arguing
with him. He was also said to Murderswards, both of them.
Everyone was kind of talking, so.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Tyler Tyler Rich was talking to Tyler de Silva. Do
you recall anybody else from your friend group talking to
Tyler de silva.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Not specifically?

Speaker 6 (42:51):
Do you recall whether or not anybody was withdrawn? How
far apart were Tyler, Tyler de Silva and the defendant.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
They weren't terribly far apart, maybe a couple of feet
five five to eight, okay, And do.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
You recall who out of your group of friends was
would they having. Was anybody having a discussion or near
the defendant at this moment?

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Hines was near the area.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Ryan Hines was near the defendant.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
My buddy ty Wood was confronting him. How do you
know ty would none in my whole life. My sister
and his brother were friends. We played sports together.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
And obviously he was at the party that night as well.
Who else, if anybody, do you recall being near the
defendant at that moment.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I'm not sure of anyone else but you.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
You're from what you were called? You were called ty
Wood and Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
And how was the defendant's demeanor with regards to your friends,
Ryan Hines and ty Wood?

Speaker 4 (43:53):
They were both ready. I'm just like ready to fight.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Okay, and I May fourteenth, twenty twenty not very long,
if you say, not very long? Minute or two okay?
And after a minute or two did something happen?

Speaker 11 (44:09):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (44:10):
Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen the
jury what you observed happened?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Tye and Leto had been arguing. It looked like Lido
was about to swing on tie, so Rich stepped in
front and struck Leto.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
So Tyler Rich punched the defendant in the face.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
And when Tyler Rich punched the defendant in the face,
what happened.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Next, Well, the fight begins, and his whole interactions or
Leto's whole interactions kind of get out of my view
from the crowd of people that are all just in
front of me, so I can't really see him. But
then I see da Silva and he starts getting into it,
and then him and Rich actually end up in like
a wrestling match, basically in the lawn.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
And who do you recall being in the area of
Tyler Rich and Tyler de Silva's.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Fighter, like Villa Lobos, Alex Bernstein was in the area.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
When you say lock, you mean Matt and Joe Rich, Yeah,
and Jacob Villa Lobos? Who else do you call anybody else?

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Not specifically?

Speaker 12 (45:16):
No?

Speaker 6 (45:16):
And when you were observing the fight between Tyler de
Silvan and Tyler Rich, did you have an idea we
aware of what.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Was going on with the defendant?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (45:30):
No, Okay, I knew he was in a fight. I
could see it, but I couldn't see specifics.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
Or do you recall how many people he was in
a fight with? No? Okay?

Speaker 4 (45:38):
And when when the fight's going on.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
With drawn, Did you have any weapons on you that night? No?
Did you see Tyler Rich with any weapons on him
that night? Did you see ty Wood with any weapons
on him that night?

Speaker 12 (45:51):
No?

Speaker 6 (45:51):
Did you see Ryan Hines with any weapons on him
that night?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
No?

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Uh. Did you see Jacob Villa Lobos with any weapons
on him that night? Did you see Matt Lakovich with
any weapons on him that night?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
No?

Speaker 6 (46:02):
Did you see sal Perry with any.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Weapons on him that night?

Speaker 6 (46:06):
How about Mike Sanpierre? Did he have any weapons on
him that night?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Not to my knowledge? How about Charlie Connery?

Speaker 6 (46:13):
Did he have any weapons on him that night? How
about Tommy Connery?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Do you have any weapons on him that night?

Speaker 6 (46:19):
How about Faison Tile Did you see any weapons on him?

Speaker 4 (46:22):
No?

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Did you see Jimmy that during the fight?

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Not during the fight, not during the fight.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Do you know if he had any weapons on him?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
He did not.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
So, when the fight's going on, you lose sight of
what the defendant's doing and you kind of focus on
Tyler Rich and Tyler de Silva. How long would you
say you were well, did you move at any point
in time from where you were during that fight. I
might have creeped about where that.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Tree is and maybe right on the cement, just watching.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
So you were in that general area, Tanner Tanner, Chernowski
was near you. Yeah, okay, And how long would you
say that withdrawn? Tell us what you observed about the
fight that you did observe. It was quick.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
They were on the ground. I remember like they were wrestling,
grabbing at each other, and I saw like the Silver's
whole back out because his shirt was like pulled up
a little bit. They were just kind of wrestling. And
then it wasn't very long, not a very long interaction.
A couple of the dudes pick him up onto his feet,
push him out into the street and tell him to
get lost, basically.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
And when that occurs, at any point in time, did
you observe the defendant do anything.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah, So, while the the interaction with the Silver's ending,
the defendant runs to the car. You see the car
door open because the lights turn on from inside the car,
and then he runs back into the fight.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
And so, just so we're clear, save fifty two. During
this point time, you were somewhere in this area and
that's between the square cementric lot exceptic cap here and
this tree that was not there at the time. Yeah,
And the car is somewhere in this area here, just
in front of the mailbox, and maybe like maybe a

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little further back as well, Okay, maybe so probably around
just the lower right hand portion of fifty two.

Speaker 11 (48:17):
And you observe the defendant run to the car, yes,
And when you observe run to the car, what does
he do?

Speaker 6 (48:22):
He runs back to the fight.

Speaker 13 (48:24):
And when he runs back into the fight, where did
you observe where Tylor, the silpa wasn't far He's kind
of like right at the right in the road the fight.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
What if anything withdrawn? How would you describe the scene
of the fight.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Was it? Was it chaotic? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Okay, a lot of kids, a lot of kids. And
when the defendant runs back into the fight, what if
anything did you hear at that.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Moment, my buddy Charlie starts yells that as a knife.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
And when you heard Charlie yell that he has a knife,
what if anything did you observe next?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
I didn't observe from that point. It was a crowd
of people and then broke out and chaos, chaos. People
started yelling, screaming, and then I had seen Jimmy and
he had these white shorts on. They were staying completely red,
and I looked away and a bunch of people flooded
to him to help.

Speaker 11 (49:28):
Them stayed fifty seven.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Is that the outfit you would call Jimmy wearing the
Knight of May fourteenth to twenty twenty two with the
white shorts.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
And when you saw Jimmy off withdraw when the defendant
came back into the fight, did you observe a knife
on him at that point?

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I couldn't. I still had no eyes. I saw it.
Once he ran back from the from the car, I
lost sight of him because it was the crowd.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
Okay, when you say there were a crowd, was were
there people in front of you where you were standing
between the tree and the uh And that's that a
cement square in state fifty two? Not many majority was
more into the grass, which is where he was.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
And I was like, that's why I had the view
I had of the car and the fight. And once
he ran back towards the curb, was he was not
in my vision? Do you recall where Jimmy was at
this moment? Did you see Jimmy? I had known he
was on the far side of the interaction. Okay, And.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
When you heard Charlie yell, he's got a knife, He's
got a knife, you didn't observe the defendant with anything.
What did you observe next?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
After you heard that, it erupted and everyone started screaming people,
So people were crying, yelling, freaking out. Once I had
noticed Jimmy, I was kind of I was shocked. I
didn't I was sixteen years old. I didn't know what
to do. And then I had noticed Charlie was freaking

(50:54):
out because his brother Tommy had been stabbed, and Charlie
was like my best friend at the time. So I
had taken my hoodie off, gave it to him, was like,
put it on his leg. Let's stop there.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
So what did you observe first about Jimmy? You saw
Jimmy first.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I noticed the red on his shorts. That was what
I noticed. Did you did you hear him say anything?
I did? I did not.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Did he do anything? Did did you see him do anything?
He fell to the ground, So you saw red red
on the shorts and he fell to the ground.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
When you saw that happen, what did you do next?
I was moving towards him, and then like a couple
of people instantly grabbed onto him and were catering to him.
And and then I noticed Tommy interacted with Charlie gave
him my hoodie.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Do you recall where Tommy Tommy was at that moment?
If you don't, it's.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Okays, like in the middle of the yard, okay.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
And when you did you go up to Tommy?

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I did?

Speaker 6 (51:46):
And what did you observe about Tommy?

Speaker 4 (51:48):
That he had been stabbed in the leg?

Speaker 6 (51:50):
You recall if he had been stabbed.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
More than once? Yeah, I believe three or four times.
And when you saw that he was stabbed, what, if
anything did you do? I had taking my hoodie off
to give. I gave it to Charlie first to give
to and told him to give it to Tommy.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
And I was like, and when that happened, what did
you do next?

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I ran back inside to look for anything towels water.
During while I was like searching for things, I believe
I was with Tanner. We had noticed Hines was I
was sitting and I was like, what are you What
are you doing dude? And he said he was catching
his breath and he was hunched over with his hand
on his left side, holding it and then he moved

(52:29):
his hand and we had noticed that he was bleeding,
and we took him out. We were dude, like, come on,
you gotta get in the ambulance. You gotta go. And
then then it kind of just solved once everyone started
getting treated. It was all just like a blur. Where
was where was Ryan stabbed? He was stabbed once like
right beneath his armpit, uh, and like the lower I

(52:51):
don't even know what this area is, your littleer side,
and then right above his his butt.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
Okay, and you recall where Tommy was stabbed in his thigh.
Do you recall if anybody else had been stabbed that night?

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Faison had been caught in the arm and obviously Jimmy.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Now when you went inside to help Ryan at some
point in time, did you come back outside with towels?

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And I didn't find anything, but I just kept using
my clothing.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
So did anybody? Did you or anybody call nine one one?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Multiple people? Did?

Speaker 6 (53:26):
How long would you say? What with drawn after?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
When you saw Jimmy fall?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Did you see the defendant and Tyler de Silva do anything?

Speaker 4 (53:38):
The last I saw them was the run to their
car and drive off, and then they weren't in my
mind anymore.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
And where did they drive? Did they drive towards Adams
or towards farmhouse?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Towards Adams? Okay?

Speaker 6 (53:49):
And uh, when nine one one was called? How long
would you say it was between the time the fight
the end of the fight took place, in the time
the first responders arrived you were call.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
I don't recall specifically. I remember taking a decent amount
of time, because that was a lot of people are
complaining that the ambulance wasn't there fast enough.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
And while we were there, when you were waiting for
the first responders to arrive to the scene, did you
were you doing anything at that moment? Were you rendering
aid to anybody?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Not at that point. Once once they came, they made
us all back up. They took over, obviously, took care everything.
And at that point I finally entered my mom because
throughout the whole interaction she was blowing up my phone
from hearing the sirens all driving by, and I finally,
you know, answered her, talked to her. Okay.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
And at some point in time did your parents arrive
at forty three law old Glenn?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
I don't recall if they picked me up or not. Uh?

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Did you at some point in time first responders arrived,
police paramedics. Do you recall whether or not you talked
to any police officers that night?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I believe I did.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
And after that night, do you recall whether or not
you met with police officers again in connection to this case?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I did. They may have moved me on.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
No, you are That's all the questions ask this all right,
thank you.

Speaker 14 (55:19):
Money, mister Marsensic. So you were telling us a little
bit about your relationship to some of these folks as
well as what you witnessed on the fourteenth into the
morning of the fifteenth, right, and you were telling us
that the evening began, you were getting ready over to.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Go out.

Speaker 14 (55:43):
Go over to miss Ridzick's house.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (55:46):
That was about six o'clock, maybe a little later, okay.
And that involved some drinking as far as getting ready
to go over there.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
While we were there.

Speaker 12 (55:56):
Yeah, while you were at rid six house, Yeah, the
initial time.

Speaker 14 (56:00):
Okay, what about beforehand when you were getting ready to
go over there?

Speaker 4 (56:03):
After that drinking?

Speaker 14 (56:04):
No, any other substance use. No, you told us that
once you got to Rizick's house, you had a drink,
maybe two beers, maybe three, maybe four?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
No, because I didn't have that many. I didn't. I
didn't wasn't able to get anything for that night really,
so I didn't have much. So I was just kind
of well, you.

Speaker 14 (56:24):
Were there with Ryan Hines. Correct, Yes, and he had
a twelve pack of beer. Correct, you didn't have any
of those beers?

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Not.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
I don't believe you gave me any. Is it possible?
I don't think this is as possible sustain because when
we showed up to the Lifers you had just a minute.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
It's okay, I'm going to sustain the objection to the
question asking if it's possible speculative. I'm going to strike
the response that was provided to that question before the
court had an opportunity to stop the waingness from answering
the question. So please retract or take any information responding
to that question out of your notes if you have

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anything in there and you're not to consider it as
part of the evidence of tourney Smithea may perssy.

Speaker 14 (57:07):
Thank you owner. So your recollection is that it was
two beers that you had at the rid six house,
nothing else to drink there. No, Ryan didn't share any
of his beers with you. No, And at some point
you went over to the Leifer's house correct, Yes, and
that was five Lazybroke Growth. Yes, And you knew that

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they were having a party there correct. Yes, where you
expected that there would be more drinking going on.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Correct potentially.

Speaker 14 (57:35):
Well, when you arrived there, you knew that your friend,
mister Leifer was drunk to the point of being ill.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Correct. I had found that out from them when I
had arrived, because.

Speaker 14 (57:47):
You didn't see him because he was in the back
throwing up.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Correct. I didn't see him because I wasn't allowed into
the property by the defendant and his friends.

Speaker 14 (57:57):
And you were driven to five lazybook wrote by a
person named Tanner Tchernowski. Correct. Yes, And you described Tanner
Cheranowski as your cousin.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Correct, Yeah, not by bloh, but essentially we've been family
friend since we were younger.

Speaker 14 (58:10):
So he's not your blood cousin or relative, but you
consider him so close as to be you call him
a cousin now. But when you got there, you've mentioned
that there were some kids from Saint Joe's at that party.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Correct, It was a Saint jose party sat.

Speaker 14 (58:26):
Yes, so most of the kids there were from Saint
Jose Crest. Yes, you were not from Saint Jose No,
I was not, Nor was Ryan Hines correct, nor was
Tanner Chanowski.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
No.

Speaker 14 (58:38):
And there were four kids there, but you from Saint
Joe's that you noticed, but only three of them who
you could identify, correct, Yeah, and that was Jack Snyder correct,
Tyler de Silva correct, and Raoul Valley correct. And you
knew them to be Saint Joe's kids, right, Yes. And

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you said that mister Hines had brought a twelve pack
of beer with him, yes, And that you began to
go into the garage, correct, Yes. Uh, could you see
what was going on.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
In the garage? Yeah? The garage doors were open.

Speaker 14 (59:10):
And there was a party going on in the garage, right.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Uh, they were inside, so there was They were really
the only ones in the garage. Maybe a couple other
stragglers outside, but the party was in the in the house.

Speaker 14 (59:20):
Nothing going on that you could see inside, like beer
pong or any game.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
No, door was door was shut. And the way it
set up, you can't see into the house.

Speaker 14 (59:32):
And you didn't know at that time who Jack Snyder,
Tyler de Silvo, or Roe Valley were is that correct?

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Not fully, I had known h Snyder anddo Silva was
just like through through football, not like personally knew them.
But I've heard the name before.

Speaker 14 (59:47):
Okay, So at that point when you saw them, you
couldn't say what their names were. I heard the same, correct.
And at some point you said that Jack Snyder went
to grab Ryan Hines's beer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Correct, he did grab Ryan.

Speaker 14 (01:00:03):
He grabs Ryan Hines his beer. And then you said
the defendant didn't say anything.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Correct, not to my recollection, I don't recall what everyone
was saying.

Speaker 14 (01:00:13):
And that he was peripheral to mister Hines and mister Snyder.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:00:18):
Yes, And at some point mister Hines and mister Snyder
squared off right as though they were going to have
a fist fight or some sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Physical they agreed to fight over the beer.

Speaker 14 (01:00:27):
Okay. When you say they agreed to fight over the beer,
were there any adults present at this point or was
this just witness And you claim that the first punch
was thrown by the defendant, Yes, and that he punched
Ryan Hines in the face from behind.

Speaker 12 (01:00:49):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:00:51):
And you said that Hines then took Snyder to the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (01:00:55):
Now you've described and you saw a photograph of mister
Valley wearing a helmet, correct, And he was also wearing
some sort of a neck pillow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Did you see that?

Speaker 14 (01:01:06):
And that was Austin life for your friend. That was
his father's motorcycle helmet.

Speaker 10 (01:01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:01:13):
And at some point after they began fighting, you said
that mister Hines was getting the better of mister Snyder. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
I'd say he was. Yeah, he was brawn to the ground,
he was on top of him.

Speaker 14 (01:01:24):
And at that point you said that the defendant tackled
Ryan Hines. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
No, he's removed his helmet and struck him.

Speaker 14 (01:01:35):
That's what you told us. Now, you gave a statement
to the police officers on May fifteenth of twenty twenty two. Correct. Yeah,
you went there with your parents at about two o'clock
down to the PD to give a statement.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Sounds right.

Speaker 14 (01:01:48):
And you told them at that time that the defendant
tackled Ryan and punched him. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
They might have taken that incorrectly because I Heinz is
the only person that tackled anyone. He thought or he
took him to the ground. I watched him tackle him,
and no one else went to the ground either.

Speaker 14 (01:02:05):
So you didn't tell them that, mister that the defendant
tackled Ryan and punched him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
They marked me as saying that on paper, I did,
but I don't. I recall Heinz tackling and.

Speaker 14 (01:02:17):
You told us here and you told them then that
the defendant took off his helmet and swung it at
mister Hines.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Correct. Yeah, he struck them with it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:26):
He took that helmet physically off of his head and
swung it and struck mister Hines. Yes, he hit Heines
with it, and then mister d Silva jumped in afterwards. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Uh, yeah, he didn't contribute much to it, but yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
He began punching and kicking Ryan Hines on the ground. Correct. Yeah,
that's your recollection, that's what you're certain to you today.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Yeah, he wasn't very much so involved. He was the
last one to enter in and by then it was
it got broken up pretty fast, and.

Speaker 14 (01:02:56):
You were prevented from helping because this fourth unknown person
was holding you back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Right I was. I wasn't sort of say, be held
back because we were initially watching because they agreed to
fight one on one, and I was agreed upon both
They were fine with it. The second they get active
like things happened, and then the girl hops and I'm
off to the side. I don't I have no clue
who I was standing with, and we were talking about it,

(01:03:21):
and he was like, don't get involved. He was telling
me not to because he was like, like, they're you're
you're in that, Like, there's three of them.

Speaker 14 (01:03:28):
There were adults at this house.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Do you think, what do you like parents? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
His mom was home, Yeah, and you were aware of that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I wasn't until she came outside when the fight got
broken up.

Speaker 14 (01:03:40):
But so you claimed that these two agreed to fight,
mister Snyder and mister Hines, and you decided you were
just going to watch the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
They said they were running one on one at Heinzel's.
It's not allowed to be sad, but he they said
they agreed upon ones.

Speaker 14 (01:03:53):
You didn't make any efforts to notify any parents inside
the house. This was going on out in their driveway.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
I didn't know they were driveway or in the house. Sorry,
you said.

Speaker 14 (01:04:04):
The fight lasted a short time, maybe as much as
thirty to forty.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Seconds, as much as forty nothing like.

Speaker 14 (01:04:10):
And afterwards, mister Leifer's mother came outside and asked you
to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Correct, Yeah, which we were more than fine with doing.

Speaker 14 (01:04:16):
And she gave the beers back to mister Hines. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I didn't exactly see if she picked him up or
if she handed him to him. She could have.

Speaker 14 (01:04:29):
And at that point you got a ride back to
missus Ridzick's house and tell your rid six house. Correct, Yes,
who gave you that ride?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I do not know her name. We had been walking
down the driveway. We had met a group of girls
and they had witnessed what happened, and we off you
guys mind bringing us home, and they had no problem
with it.

Speaker 14 (01:04:48):
You don't recall who that was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
No, I do not recall their names.

Speaker 14 (01:04:52):
And you told us that you weren't doing any drinking
on the way back to miss Ridzick's house.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Now, I didn't have anything that Once I had gotten
to Austin's, I had no alcohol.

Speaker 14 (01:05:00):
You didn't have any of mister Hines's beers that he
had just gotten back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Now, he just he lost majority of them in that yard,
so he was not in the mood to be given
him out.

Speaker 14 (01:05:10):
And you immediately called your friends Thomas and Charlie Connery, right, No,
I believe Charlie called me and you told them about
what had occurred there at the five Lazy Brook house, right, yeah,
and everybody on on your side. And this is the
Shelton High kids at this point that we're talking about, right, yeah,
those are your friends are mainly Shelton High kids.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 14 (01:05:38):
You let them know about the fight that had just
happened at five Lazy Brook Growth. Yep, you were upset, right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah, Me and Hines were a little pissed off. We
were like, what the hell that was bull.

Speaker 14 (01:05:49):
A little pissed off.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Yeah, we were. We weren't, you know, fuman acting out
of age doing some anything stupid. But we were like
that was that was stupid? Like that was We were
just passed.

Speaker 14 (01:06:02):
And you told us that there was a basketball group
chat that some of the kids started.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Correct, Yeah, I was in it prior who started, because
we played pickup basketball hence the name of the group chat.
And we have two s J kids in there that
we were friends with. We'd play, we'd hope with them,
and then after it all had happened, I don't remember
who specifically, but they were all added or at least
four people. I didn't have any of the numbers, so

(01:06:29):
they were all just random numbers.

Speaker 14 (01:06:31):
When you say they were all at it, you mean
mister Valley and mister de Silva.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I found that out after, but in a given moment,
I didn't know.

Speaker 14 (01:06:38):
Yes, but that's who was added, right, yes, yes, and
that's who you started texting about forty three Laurel glenns
drive correct, Yes, giving them the address correct. Yeah, in
fact taking a photo of the address and texting that correct. Yeah,
that wasn't just some of the kids, right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
That was you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Yeah, my phone number is the number that sent it.

Speaker 14 (01:07:02):
Yes, you've talked about things as having happened collectively, but
when we're talking about the address being sent, yeah, that
was you individually, not collectively.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
I mean, if if you put it into retrospect, yeah,
my finger hit the button, I think. But I was
a sophomore out of senior's house. I wasn't just gonna
have some kids show up that I've just my first
time hanging out there. I wouldn't just invite them. So
I was I was told by people I don't exactly
remember who, but we had been talking about it, talking
about what just happened, or because they started off with
a come to trumble high, so we were like we're

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not going to trumble high and said what we said, So.

Speaker 14 (01:07:43):
You're saying somebody forced you to tell. And then you
described ultimately getting over to forty three Laurel Glenn Drive.
Can you told us maybe thirty to forty kids were there?

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:07:55):
Could it have been more?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I don't think so. By more if it's not touching fifty.
Maybe a number in the forties possibly, but I don't
think so.

Speaker 14 (01:08:05):
And you didn't have anything to drink once you got there,
except maybe I think you conceded you could have had
one beer?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Yeah, I could have been given one. I don't remember drinking,
but I'm not going to rule it out.

Speaker 14 (01:08:15):
Was there beer at the party at forty three Lower
Glund Drud?

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Not for like the taking, but people had their own supplies.

Speaker 14 (01:08:21):
Was their liquor at the party at forty three Lower
GluN Drud?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
I didn't see. You could have had a bottle at
his house prior, I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
And when you arrived there you described it as being dark.
Correct where forty three Lower Glund Drive?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Now you're praying about outside, Yes, it's dim lit, like
it wasn't terribly dark. We were able to see the
people in front of us. Flashlights are out too, there's
a light in the driveway. It's not like you can't see.

Speaker 14 (01:08:48):
It was misty that night.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
I don't recall it being misty.

Speaker 14 (01:08:52):
You don't recall it being misty or rainy. No, you
don't recall the grass being wet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
I do not.

Speaker 14 (01:08:56):
You don't recall any sort of precipitation whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
I don't recall, but I don't. I don't recall missed specifically.

Speaker 14 (01:09:09):
And you said you were in the house in the basement, correct, Yeah,
And that it was a typical high school party, typical
high school things were going on, right, Yeah? What were
those typical high school things that were going on at
that party?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Listening to music, people having a couple drinks together. You
might have had a pong table, I'm not sure, but
people hanging out, listening to music, having a good time
hanging out.

Speaker 14 (01:09:38):
You said might have had a pong table.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
What's a pong Take a table to play beer pong?

Speaker 14 (01:09:43):
And what's beer pong?

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
So when each team has ten cups and you shoot
a ping pong ball into each other's cups and whoever
it makes all ten first wins?

Speaker 14 (01:09:52):
How was how old was the oldest person that was
attending this party.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Could have been nineteen eighteen or nineteen.

Speaker 14 (01:10:00):
No adults present, not to my knowledge. No, So you
told us before that maybe some folks had some beers
they'd brought their own. Now you're telling us that there
might have been a beer pong table set up and
people might have been playing beer. Okay, So are you
telling us that this night there were people playing pong

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with water?

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
I'm not telling you specifically, I don't recall, but if
ninety five percent of the time that is this situation
because it's you get your beer all gross.

Speaker 14 (01:10:35):
And you told us that at some point you became
aware that these Saint Joe's kids had arrived and they
were outside. Correct, How did you become aware of that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
So initially there was a text that said we're here,
someone ran outside, didn't see them, and then someone else
was like, there's a car outside, and that's when we
all float outside and.

Speaker 14 (01:10:59):
You just grab that car is being parked outside down
towards the corner of Adams, correct, Yeah, and that car
was on the other side of the street, correct, Yes,
And then you told us that you all collectively headed outside, right, Yeah?
Was that all thirty or forty of you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
A few stragglers may have fallen back, but the majority
made their way outside.

Speaker 14 (01:11:23):
And who were you standing beside when you headed outside.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I don't recall folly who I've walked out with. We
kind of just all funneled out, so we just walked outside.

Speaker 14 (01:11:35):
Did you head outside with Tanner Tchernowski?

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:11:40):
Did you head outside with Ryan Hines.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
But yeah, he came out.

Speaker 14 (01:11:46):
Did you head outside with Michael Sampieri?

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
H If Sam went outside, I didn't. I wasn't specifically
saying I'm with any of them. I just some of
them were outside.

Speaker 14 (01:11:59):
Yes, Why did you go outside?

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Because I went outside. They're in the group chat. They
said they're here curiosity walk outside. Everyone else was going You.

Speaker 14 (01:12:09):
Were just curious about what was going to happen. After
you told them to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Come, I'm gonna go confront him. Yeah, I'm gonna go outside.
But this was more of like me and Hines were
like youngins to everyone there. We looked like we were
the little kids there, so they were kind of taking
control and it was more like people. They were all
known the defendants and his friends have known some of

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the people that were at the richest house.

Speaker 14 (01:12:34):
Okay, and then when everybody gets outside. You've told us
about them going up to the Honda pilot. Correct, And
you said that at this point they all surrounded the
Honda pilot, right, Yeah, and they were touching the Honda
pilot right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I'm looking from the front, and I don't know if
they eventually did, but then they began rocking it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:59):
Yes, began rocking the car.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:13:02):
You were shown a picture of the Honda pilot.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Ah, Yes, we were right.

Speaker 11 (01:13:12):
You were shown this picture.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Is that behind the pilot that you would.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Call seeing Ah, yes, it is. You gotta rotate it.
That looks like the hand the pilot that you saw, Yeah, books.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
The outside of the chair.

Speaker 14 (01:13:35):
Just a moment, mister Marston's and I'm trying to get
an exhibit. I'm gonna show you exhibit number thirty one
close up of that Honda pilot. You agree that's the
same vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:13:53):
And when that vehicle arrived and you first saw it,
it didn't have that shattered windshield, did it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:14:00):
You're not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I didn't. I didn't see anyone specifically make that happen,
So I don't know if they arrived with it or
left with it.

Speaker 14 (01:14:08):
Okay, how did you come out when you got to
the car, when you went.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Outside, like, where was that parallel to the car?

Speaker 14 (01:14:17):
How did you come out of the house through the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Umbilical doors out of the basement around the house. What
kind of doors like the umbilical ones like the basement doors?

Speaker 14 (01:14:24):
Okay? And can you describe thembilical doors for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
It's like the ones that open. I don't know if
this is a house. They're slanted like this and they
open and there's a staircase that goes into the basement. Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:14:34):
And then you came out and you described for us
how you walk down the pathway? Yes, And where did
you go if you want to use the exhibit behind you,
you went beside the square cement.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
That's that's the second time when they come back. The
first time in issue, we all come down the driveway.

Speaker 14 (01:14:49):
Oh, you all came down the river. So you remember that.
You remember how you got out of the house. Yes,
you don't remember whether or not that windshield was shattered
before hid.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
I wasn't paying attention to the their car was beat
up or not.

Speaker 14 (01:15:01):
You were standing right at the front by the passenger.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Side, right, Yeah, I wasn't like on the car. I
was a few feedback. I was looking through the windshield,
but I don't remember if there was a crack there
or not, which.

Speaker 14 (01:15:12):
The passenger side decided. You were standing closest. Yeah, you
didn't notice whether.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I wasn't looking for shattered glass. And you probably can't
really tell it's cracked either. When it's nighttime, you know
it's got a light on it with a flashlight taking
a picture of it, so it reflects back a little bit.
I didn't recognize if there was a crack or not.

Speaker 11 (01:15:33):
I see.

Speaker 14 (01:15:36):
You did notice, however, that these kids were all noown
surrounding the car, and that at some point they started
to shake the car. Yes, they started to throw things.

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
At the car.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I don't know if anyone threw anything.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
At that point.

Speaker 14 (01:15:47):
They started to pound on the car.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Yeah, I probably banging on the windows.

Speaker 14 (01:15:54):
Somebody reached in and punched somebody that was inside the car.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
I didn't see any of that.

Speaker 14 (01:15:58):
You didn't see that you're standing on the passenger side.
How far away from the car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Itself, probably four to six feet back.

Speaker 14 (01:16:08):
Could you reach out and touch the car?

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:16:11):
Did you reach out and touch the car?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Did I touch the car? Not to my recollection.

Speaker 14 (01:16:14):
No, not to your recollection.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I don't recall encountering and going up and touching
the car.

Speaker 14 (01:16:19):
Is that the kind of thing you'd forget?

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
What do you mean, like when I forget touching the car? Yes,
probably not.

Speaker 14 (01:16:28):
But you simply don't recall whether or not you touched
the car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I didn't touch the car.

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
You didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
I didn't touch the car.

Speaker 14 (01:16:34):
Now you recall that that you didn't touch the car. Yeah,
these other people were all touching the car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Yeah, they were on the sides of it. I was
in the front, so I can't do anything from the
front of the car.

Speaker 14 (01:16:42):
I see. You distanced yourself from the car essentially. Yeah,
you distanced yourself from the group, not from the group.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
I was so with people, same.

Speaker 14 (01:16:52):
People that had you feel like you had to text
the address.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
I'm an object as to argument all hour?

Speaker 14 (01:17:02):
Sorry, what was that these same people that you felt
like were making you text the address.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
I didn't feel like I was made to text anybody
the address.

Speaker 14 (01:17:12):
But sure, so he went outside. Folks, there was you
described there as being a chain of cars that were there, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Yeah, there was a couple of cars parked on the
opposite side.

Speaker 11 (01:17:27):
Of the road.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
As well.

Speaker 14 (01:17:27):
There were cars parked on both sides of the road.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Right, yes, but significantly more on the other side.

Speaker 14 (01:17:32):
Significantly more cars were parked.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
On one or two car park near the mailbox, but
there was on the other side.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
It was lined up with at least like four to
six of them.

Speaker 14 (01:17:42):
Okay, so the chain of cars were there? Were you
standing between I was pilot and another car.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
They weren't too close to the other car because they
were able to put it in drive and drive forward
while turning left, so they were slacked back a little bit.
But essentially, yeah, I was technically between two cars, but
it wasn't a close gap.

Speaker 14 (01:18:01):
And you described that water bottles and the WD forty
can were thrown out of the vehicle, yes, or were
they thrown at the vehicle?

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
No, the WD forty can came out, which someone picked
it up on the road and threw it back.

Speaker 14 (01:18:17):
Okay, was anything else thrown back at the vehicle?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
There was like a water drug tossed. But once they
started driving up and down, like slowly, majority of us
would fade into the inside. A couple of people trickled.
They stayed outside and that was really it, Like they
just kept driving up and down. That was we thought
it would have been done by that point.

Speaker 14 (01:18:43):
How many times did they drive up and down?

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Three?

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Four times?

Speaker 14 (01:18:51):
Not two to three?

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Well including their first speed down and they come down
and back up again, so it's at least three.

Speaker 14 (01:18:59):
Could you see how many people were inside the vehicle?

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
I know there was more. I didn't see specifically how many.
There could have just been four of them. I don't
think it was full.

Speaker 14 (01:19:09):
Now, when you were part of the group that collectively
surrounded this car, you wanted them to exit the vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Right at that point in time, we didn't really have
a game planner or an approach. We just went and
we're going to talk with them, which obviously was a
little bit hostile, but we didn't know what was going
to happen or what would happen.

Speaker 14 (01:19:28):
You didn't want to get payback for the Lazybrook Road.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
I'm sure it was in thoughts, But at that point
in time, they're all sitting in a car. You can't
do anything, so.

Speaker 14 (01:19:38):
Can't do anything except lay hands on it, start rocking it,
throw things that it smashed the windshield.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yeah, sure, we rocked it and threw things at it.
Because things were thrown like I had said before, I
don't recall anyone doing anything to the windshield, not saying
it wasn't us or it was, But I didn't see
any of that.

Speaker 14 (01:19:59):
You collectively attacked the vehicle, fair to say?

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
Checks the characterization all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
You can answer it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
I wouldn't say attacked.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
We had a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Massive people if I wouldn't, I wouldn't say necessarily attacked.

Speaker 14 (01:20:16):
No, you wouldn't. And you also can't tell us who
laid hands on the vehicle, can you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
No, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
Yes, you told us who was there? Enrico Fiola was present, Yeah,
sal Perry was present, Mike san Perry was present, Alex
Bernson was present, Tanner was present, Yes, Yes, Jacob Villa
Lobos was present. And you knew all these guys very well, correct, Yeah,
you played sports with all of them. Correct, You grew

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up with all these kids.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:20:47):
But you can't tell us who it was that started
shaking the vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
It's not that I couldn't tell you who. It's that
I didn't specifically look around and remember who was who.
I know who all my friends are, obviously, yes, but
I don't know where their positions are. I don't know
their experiences. I was paying attention to myself and looking
at the car. I wasn't watching everyone else's doings.

Speaker 14 (01:21:08):
Isn't it that you don't want to tell us, You
don't want to tell us what your friends did that money?

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Honestly, I wish I could, but I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:21:15):
Well, you can't go ahead tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Well, I don't know. You don't know, I don't know
where my friend's position, where they were.

Speaker 14 (01:21:21):
No, but you knew how you came out of that house.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Yeah, because I objected, stass and answered, at this point, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Sustain the objection.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
And you're telling us that they drove up and down
the road three to four times, you've said multiple times,
and that at some point they drove off down towards
Farmhouse Lane. Correct, And would you agree that that is
about two football fields away from where the rich house is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Yeah, it's a good distance.

Speaker 14 (01:21:54):
And you claim that you saw only two of your
friends walk down towards Farmhouse Lane, right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
I just knew too specifically, there could have been more.
I just I know that Ricky and Tyler went and
encountered him.

Speaker 14 (01:22:07):
Do you know that because they told you that? Because
you saw that, did you see them go down to
Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Yeah, I saw them. I didn't like I walked inside,
but I watched them head towards lead.

Speaker 14 (01:22:18):
Oh, yes, those You think only those two people were
the ones that walked down there?

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
No, I just know that those two people. I don't
know specifically. Who else?

Speaker 14 (01:22:27):
And you told us you didn't hear anything go on
down there?

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
No? I went back inside.

Speaker 14 (01:22:31):
You went back inside? You remember that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:22:34):
Who else went back inside with you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
The majority of people?

Speaker 14 (01:22:37):
Alex Bernson, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
At that time. I just kind of met Burn, so
I wasn't really looking out for him.

Speaker 14 (01:22:47):
Didn't Rico Fiola go back inside with you?

Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:22:49):
Did tell Harry go back inside with you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:22:52):
Did Mike sam Perry go back inside with you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
I'm not sure?

Speaker 14 (01:22:54):
Did Tanner Trenowski go back inside with you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:22:58):
Did Jacob Vila Loolis go back inside with you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
I'm not sure. There's a lot of us. You're naming
six of the forty kids. I don't know where everyone's
exact whereabouts where at every given moment.

Speaker 14 (01:23:08):
I apologize, No apology necessary. When you spoke with officers before, though,
you didn't mention anything to them, about friends going down
to Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Did you Well, I was in a panic and just
explained what I had actually did, the big things. You
didn't tell them about that, correct, I don't remember exactly
what I told them.

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
That was three years ago.

Speaker 14 (01:23:34):
You told them that everybody went back inside and only
one person remained outside to see if the Saint Joe's
kids were going to come back.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Right. No, I didn't specifically said that. I just know
that somebody, I don't know how many people, but majority
had funneled in and someone had mentioned that they were back,
and that.

Speaker 14 (01:23:52):
One kid just stayed outside to see if the Saint
Joe's kids were going to come back.

Speaker 10 (01:23:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Yeah, someone actually did was outside. I remember who was,
and they were looking.

Speaker 14 (01:24:01):
But it wasn't like, well, did one kid stay outside
or did two kids go down to Farmhouse Lane?

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Those are two separate events. They went down and spoke
to them that when they were down at the I
don't know anything that happened in that conversation, what they saw,
what they said, anything about it. But I watched them
walk down the road towards them, and then at separate
times we all funneled back inside. Someone was outside still.
I don't know if they were looking for them, but
they were. Someone was still outside and then they had
mentioned that they had came back. It was someone just

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yelled like their back and everyone was like what and
all funneled out the back doors.

Speaker 14 (01:24:40):
And in fact, you continued texting throughout this time period,
didn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
I think the texted died down a lot once once
they had to fully arrived. There was a couple of
text scent Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:24:58):
There were a couple of text scent or you sent
text mister mersons it you sent text?

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, they sent tax, They sent text. Multiple people sent tax.

Speaker 14 (01:25:06):
In fact, you snapped a photograph of mister Snyder's car
sitting outside and texted that with a caption on it,
taunting them, didn't you. Yeah, this was after they had
shown up and driven away.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
Correct. No, it's as they just showed up. I took
that picture first thing.

Speaker 14 (01:25:23):
Also, you took that picture before you went outside.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
No, I took that picture outside when they had arrived and.

Speaker 14 (01:25:30):
You said sitting ducks ode very scared, right, yes, And
then you asked how's your car pussy fold? That's crazy, right,
And that was after you'd gotten out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
It's after they had driven up and down.

Speaker 14 (01:25:47):
I believe that's after they'd driven up and down driven.
You're continuing to text them at that point, right, I believe.
So are you still feeling pressure to do that from
other people?

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
I never felt any pressure in the first place to
be tech them.

Speaker 14 (01:26:01):
Oh okay, you didn't feel pressure before when you sent
the LGD forty three LGD. No, there was just dudes talking.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
I mean, yeah, we were expecting to fight, not any
of this.

Speaker 14 (01:26:14):
You were expecting to fight once we had told them
to come.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think we're gonna have them
come and like there'd be no point of having them come.

Speaker 14 (01:26:23):
Yeah, did you say forty three Laurel Glenn drive thirty
to forty dudes here?

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
I don't exactly recall, But if I did, then.

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
Yeah, you didn't mention those texts. However, when you were
talking with the police, right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
I don't recall. I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
I wasn't asked. Once I was asked about them, I
told them about them.

Speaker 14 (01:26:49):
Yeah, once you were asked about them, you told them
that they But before that you didn't think that was
important to share with them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Not really, it was argumentative. It's a lot of just
hear say nonsense back and forth between the two of us. Yes,
I told them where to go, but that doesn't invite
anything that happened on that night.

Speaker 14 (01:27:08):
Mister mersinsick. You didn't tell the cops about that because
you thought it might get you in trouble, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
I don't know exactly what my thoughts were when I
was sixteen. I could have been scared.

Speaker 14 (01:27:20):
I'm not sure you didn't think maybe you'd get in
trouble for luring somebody over and then getting into a fight.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
I mean, you said it yourself. I said the address
with how many people. I wouldn't necessarily call that luring.
They knew what they were getting themselves into. Sir.

Speaker 14 (01:27:37):
What I said was you texted them the address. But
you didn't say thirty to forty dudes here, did you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
That's what you said.

Speaker 14 (01:27:43):
That's not what I said, Sir? Is that way I
miss you said? Okay, let's see at some point you
described there was a second encounter when the car came back. Correct, Yeah,
and you were inside when the car returned.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Yeah. When I had gotten outside, the car was already
parked in the street.

Speaker 14 (01:28:07):
I'm talking about the second encounter when the car comes back,
as you've described, and the fight occurs out on the
long Yes, how did you know that the car was
already outside?

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
There was, There was a bunch of us there. They
had said that the car had returned.

Speaker 14 (01:28:22):
Did you see the car outside?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Did I see it return? Yes? Like did I watch
it come to a complete stop and return?

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
I was, I did not.

Speaker 14 (01:28:29):
Where were you when the car returned inside? You were
inside the house, and so you came to learn that
the car had returned because somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
It was just we were all together, it was known. Yes.

Speaker 14 (01:28:40):
Did you just see people start to funnel outside or
did you hear somebody say, hey, the car's here? Both
both of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Are perfect cars Here we funneled outside, and.

Speaker 14 (01:28:48):
You didn't think, guys, we should stay inside right now,
there's really no need to go outside the house and
the car's back.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
No, obviously, no, I should have. It's a more mature
way to look at it. Yeah, But I was sixteen,
an immature and walked outside to go watch a fight.
Go watch a fight, Yeah, because at that point it
hadn't no one was really involved. The people arguing where
the people arguing?

Speaker 8 (01:29:12):
Now?

Speaker 14 (01:29:14):
So at some point you get back outside into the yard.
You see Tyler de Silva out there, Yes, you see
Rowel Valley out there, yes, And you see Jack Snyder
out there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
Jack Snyder was driving.

Speaker 14 (01:29:27):
Jack Snyder was driving, is what you told us here today.
But when you spoke with the cops, she said all
three of them got out of the vehicle, did you not.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
I don't recall if I said that back then. I
might have misconstrued it a little bit. All three of
them were there, but Jack remained in the vehicle.

Speaker 14 (01:29:46):
And you did tell the officers that all three of
the parties were out of the vehicle with the doors open, correct, I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Mean at one point that all doors were open on
the vehicle.

Speaker 14 (01:29:58):
You said everyone exited the house, approached the three parties
on the lawn.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:30:04):
Yeah, three parties, Yeah, Snyder, Da Silva and Valley. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah. I said that in the moment. I don't I
don't know why I said that, honestly, but probably didn't
assume two dudes would hop out and fight everyone. I
thought maybe he was out of the car. I didn't
see him somewhere, but then I had noticed him in
the car. Once they got it, instantly drove off.

Speaker 14 (01:30:25):
And in fact, when you got out, you saw Tyler
Rich and Tyler da Silva talking, correct, Yeah, there were words.
Were they fighting at that point?

Speaker 12 (01:30:36):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:30:37):
And to your knowledge, did mister d Silva and mister
Rich know each other?

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
I can't speak. I want to say they did, but
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:30:49):
And you said that they began exchanging words, correct, Yeah.
And at this point, how many people from the party,
the shelting kids were out there in the lawn majority
of us thirty to forty.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Probably thirty. Not all kids are outside, and I know
kids that stayed inside.

Speaker 14 (01:31:09):
Who were you standing beside?

Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 14 (01:31:13):
Who were you standing beside?

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
I was kind of near the vicinity of Tanner. I
wasn't really like up with everyone, like or with anybody specifically, Like,
I was just kind of observing what was Tanner doing
at the time. Tanner was observing and then he pulled
out his phone and eventually recorded.

Speaker 14 (01:31:33):
Tanner was filming this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Eventually once once the fight broke out. Yeah, he took
a video.

Speaker 14 (01:31:38):
Was he the only person filming?

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
I'm not sure, but at least to my knowledge, yes.

Speaker 14 (01:31:43):
You were standing over by where mister d Silva was
on the ground being attacked.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
Correct, Yeah, well him and Rich were wrestling on the ground.

Speaker 14 (01:31:51):
Yes, it wasn't just mister Da Silva and mister Rich
that were going at it by themselves.

Speaker 10 (01:31:56):
Was it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Honestly they were like them two were the main ones.
They were on the ground with each other. It's not
like no one else was with Tyler on the ground
or Tyler Rich I'm referring to, Like no one else
was helping him on the ground. But it was mainly
just them too, kind of going back and forth on the.

Speaker 14 (01:32:14):
Ground, just the two of them. Everybody was standing back
to the side letting them go at it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
I'm not gonna speak of for people or specifics or
like I'm sure he caught a shot or two from
somebody else, but like it was mainly like I remember
seeing him on the ground, Rich had his shirt pulled up,
the Silva's whole back was out. I remember seeing it
like he was like he was, Rich was on the ground.
Silva was on top of him, but Rich kind of
had him in like a choke hold kind of thing,
but like not really just like holding him down so

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we couldn't like get on top of him.

Speaker 14 (01:32:42):
And you had such a good view of that because
somebody was using their phone to live stream that and
the flash light was on, wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
There was flashlights on, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:32:53):
And somebody was live streaming that whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Weren't they live streaming? Yes, sir, uh, I don't think
anybody was live streaming this.

Speaker 14 (01:33:02):
You don't think anybody was.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Like, I have no knowledge of anyone live streaming.

Speaker 14 (01:33:07):
Think somebody just pulled out their phone and turned on
the flashlight and was holding it up to show the
fight going on.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
Are you confusing a video for a live stream because
a live stream is lively streamed. A video is not
live streamed. It's did Do you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 14 (01:33:26):
I appreciate the distinctions, sir, I'm not confused.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
So you are asking about a live stream? No, No,
I don't have. To my knowledge, no one recorded a
live stream.

Speaker 14 (01:33:33):
No, not to your knowledge.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Yeah, I don't know anything. I've never heard once of
a livestream.

Speaker 14 (01:33:38):
But you would agree that somebody had their phone out,
it was open and at least it had the flashlight on. Correct, Yeah,
and that was shining on mister Da Silva and the
fight that was going on there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Correct, You saw that.

Speaker 14 (01:33:50):
Yes, you were close to that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:33:53):
Yeah, he said the scene was chaotic. Correct. Uh yeah,
you've told us today that there were only two people
that were in the yard that were fighting from the
Saint Joe's kids. Correct, Yes, he told the officers there
were three that it included mister Snyder.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Correct, there were three involved. I did I could have
said it like that. He wasn't literally involved in the fight,
but he was their driver.

Speaker 14 (01:34:21):
And you said mister Rich and mister de Silva began
exchanging words and they soon became involved in a physical altercation.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Correct, Yes, they eventually were involved in an altercation.

Speaker 14 (01:34:34):
Yes, again, how did they become involved in a physical altercation?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Well, once once it looked like to us that Lido
was going to swing on our front. Tie Rich had
just thrown a first thrown a punch onto him and
then stopped worrying about him, and him and Decelva started fighting.

Speaker 14 (01:34:54):
I see, you said, we thought that Liedo was going
like that was like everyone I saw it, Like at
least what sir, you don't know what everyone saw?

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Do Rich punched him and then he turned towards the
sofa because whoever was over there was just dealing with that.

Speaker 14 (01:35:11):
You saw, mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Yeah, that's what started the fight.

Speaker 14 (01:35:15):
And then it was a movement of some sort.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
Yeah, like they were just each other, just like like
just like he was like it was he didn't make
a big enough movement, but he twitched like in the
wrong way. That looked like it could have been aggressive.
And obviously Rich's gonna defend his boy.

Speaker 14 (01:35:32):
So the first punch was thrown by a Shelton High kid.
That's correct, isn't it. Yeah, And that punch hit mister Valley,
didn't it, Yes, And thereafter it did become chaotic, didn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:35:42):
In fact, everybody swarmed the thirty or forty of you,
the two people that were there in that yard. Correct, No,
there was.

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
A lot of people also watching. It wasn't like obviously
we're not gonna like you. You saw pictures of them afterwards.
They didn't get stomped on by multiple tens of people
like it was. They There was a couple of kids, yeah,
on each of them. But I once, once the once
the fight broke out, I didn't see Leto anymore because
it kind of got crowd and it went down. The

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crowd blocked at all, and I was just looking at
the silva fighting Rich.

Speaker 14 (01:36:16):
The crowd blocked it off because they were swarming. There
were at least eight to ten people attacking both of them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
Correct. I can't say I didn't see eight to ten
people on do silva, but I can't speak for Alito.

Speaker 14 (01:36:28):
Did you see mister Villa Logos involved in the fight?

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Towards the end, he actually put the silva to his
feet and shoved him towards the road with the help
of a few of his other buddies.

Speaker 14 (01:36:40):
Did you see that or did you watch a video?

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
No, that happened because when I was watching the silva fight,
he got lifted up and pushed out.

Speaker 14 (01:36:47):
You saw that yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I was watching, Like I said, I was able
to see that the silva in like interaction.

Speaker 14 (01:36:55):
Did you see Charles Connery involved in the fight?

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
I did not see him involved.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
No.

Speaker 14 (01:36:59):
Did you see Ryan Hunt involved in the fight?

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
He was. I know he was on the left side,
but he was in leader's area. They were all kind
of together, so I didn't see him specifically do anything.

Speaker 14 (01:37:08):
Didn't see sal Perry involved in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
I'm not sure you.

Speaker 14 (01:37:14):
Didn't see Michael sam Perry involved.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
In the fight. I did not see Michael at the time, though.

Speaker 14 (01:37:21):
Didn't see Alex Burnson involved in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
I saw Alex Berience.

Speaker 14 (01:37:24):
Oh what did you see Alex Burnson?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Do he when he threw a couple of punches at DaSilva,
But like nothing crazy like he gave him. He threw
some extra ones, but while Rich was wrestling and he
gave him a few.

Speaker 14 (01:37:41):
Was he wearing his shirt?

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
I think he had it off.

Speaker 14 (01:37:46):
It's hard to tell because there were a couple of
folks that took off their shirts for this, right I'm
not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Burne's a big dude, so he stood out and I'm
pretty sure he had just shirt off.

Speaker 14 (01:37:56):
Did you see mister McGrath involved in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
I did not. He was on the other side.

Speaker 14 (01:38:00):
Did you see Tyler Rich involved in the fight?

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:38:02):
Did you see face on teal involved.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
In the fight?

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
He was on the other side as well.

Speaker 14 (01:38:06):
Did you see Michael Lokovich involved.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
In the fight. I don't recall if he was involved,
but he was in my general area of like DaSilva.

Speaker 14 (01:38:16):
Did you see Tommy Connery involved in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
He was also on the farther side, so I'm not
sure if he was in there or not.

Speaker 14 (01:38:24):
In fact, it was hard to see what was going
on on the other side because that side had encircled
and descended upon mister Valley.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
Correct, And he said he didn't see, Sistand.

Speaker 14 (01:38:38):
Did you say that you didn't see or that it
was hard to see.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
I didn't see once the people came in front of me.
I said it I didn't see at first, and followed
it up by saying it was hard to see. But
I meant for both. I couldn't see. People were swarming. Yes,
I didn't see it, but not I didn't specifically see
anyone go to the ground on him, multiple people, So
I can't speak.

Speaker 14 (01:39:00):
On that people swarmed him. Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Projection just testified he couldn't say, Sir overruled.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
You can answer that if you know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Obviously people, Yes, huddled around, but I didn't say I
saw more people standing than doing anything.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
M hm.

Speaker 14 (01:39:22):
Did you remain in that same position throughout the course
of this fight where you've described by the red bush
and the moment square, You did not yourself throw any punches? No,
And you described Tanner Chernowski, your cousin, as you've described
him the closeness filming this correct. Yes, he took his

(01:39:43):
phone out and didn't call nine one one, but started
filming what was going on? Yeah, and he was walking
back and forth filming this.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
Correct. No, I believe he's stationary, maybe moves a couple
feet left and right, but not really moving around the video.
You can really only see Da Silva, like I said,
his side's over there.

Speaker 14 (01:40:05):
But you described yourself seeing mister Valley go to the car.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Yeah, because the car was like I said, it's more
in that where the area is.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
They're fighting back more up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
So when he runs out of his area, he's now
kind of behind like from my view, he's he runs
behind where Da Silva is and you see the car
door open. I watch him open the car door and
then light turns on. We all kind of a couple
of us put our attention over there, which Tanner also noticed,
and then he runs back and you saw that. Yeah,

(01:40:39):
But once he runs back, I lost him again because
he ran out of my view.

Speaker 14 (01:40:43):
And you described mister Chanowski taking a video of this. Correct. Yes,
you've watched that video if you know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Yeah, I've been showing it.

Speaker 14 (01:40:50):
When was the first time you saw that video?

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
I'm I'm not sure, honestly, I think the first time
I O. It was when I was shown it. Who
showed it to you? By the detectives, because Tanner didn't
testend that video anywhere, and he was he told everybody
deleted it the night of, but he kept it and
gave it to the cops.

Speaker 14 (01:41:13):
He didn't show it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
No, I had not that night. I wasn't worried about
watching a video.

Speaker 14 (01:41:18):
The cops showed that to you. That's your testimony, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
So, I don't have any prior knowledge of the video.

Speaker 14 (01:41:28):
And you told us that you didn't see anyone get
stabbed with the knife, correct, And.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I didn't directly watch a knife vent or somebody.

Speaker 14 (01:41:34):
No, In fact, you didn't see a knife at any point.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 14 (01:41:38):
Yes, you were watching both of these fights going on,
but your attention was divided, fair to.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Say, yeah, and once once it became divided, it mainly
focused just onto de Silva's fight.

Speaker 14 (01:41:48):
And you'd had at least two or three beers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Yeah, in the span of those four hours, and you.

Speaker 14 (01:41:55):
Were six at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
Yes, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:41:58):
And you you told the off sirs that Snyder, d
Silva and Valley hopped back into the pilot and drove
off towards Adams.

Speaker 6 (01:42:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Yeah, Well they were all into the car and they
drove off, and.

Speaker 14 (01:42:14):
You told us you'd been friends with mister McGrath, correct, Yeah,
and that you'd known him since you were very young.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Correct. Correct?

Speaker 14 (01:42:23):
And would you describe him as a cousin the same
way you described mister Tronowski.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Nah, because once we went to high school obviously he
went to Prap, we grew apart a little bit, but
it was so always loved when we saw each other.

Speaker 14 (01:42:36):
You would describe him as somebody who was the toughest.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
Kid, you know, right, Yeah, on a field, he was
an animal, and.

Speaker 14 (01:42:43):
That he wouldn't back down from anyone, right no, And
that if you saw his friends getting into a fight,
he would join that fight.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Right jection clsal speculation doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
If not, If that's what he said, I'll over rule.
The question continues to be you have said, Is that correct?

Speaker 14 (01:42:59):
Turner Smith, I'm beg your partner.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Does the question continue to be that you've said.

Speaker 14 (01:43:05):
These things that he would describe him as.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
That describe him ass yes, I'll now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
It Overworled, I'm sorry.

Speaker 14 (01:43:12):
I repeat that you would describe him as somebody who
if he saw his friends being in a fight, he
would go out and join it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Correct, depending on the situation. If he saw his boys winning,
probably not.

Speaker 14 (01:43:28):
If he saw his boys winning, probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Yeah, he wouldn't just jump into a fight to fight, but.

Speaker 14 (01:43:36):
If he saw someone punching his boys, he'd probably hop
in objectionist to probably assisting mister Marsensic. At some point,
you also engaged in doing an identification of folks that
were there with the officers. Correct, Yes, and you identified
mister Bally as having been there.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
I'm sorry, what was the end of that.

Speaker 14 (01:43:57):
You identified mister Bally as having been there? Yes, you
also identified another person have has been as having been involved, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Tyler d Silva?

Speaker 14 (01:44:07):
Anybody else?

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (01:44:10):
When you were telling the state's attorney Durso about watching
this fight go on in the yard, you described Da
Silva as being in a wrestling match, right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Yeah, they were on the ground like together, Rich and
Da Silva. So I would call that grappling with each other.

Speaker 14 (01:44:31):
Just Rich and Da Silva involved in a wrestling match
by themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Well, they were the main two on the ground, like, Yeah,
you obviously caught a couple of strays. There's a plenty
of people, but I don't know from who.

Speaker 14 (01:44:43):
What do you mean by caught a couple of strays.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Like throw on the ground, Someone's gonna just throw a
sneaky pondered throw a sneaky kick, like just exactly like
what they did to to Heinz at Lazybrook.

Speaker 14 (01:44:57):
Well, and you describe mister Lokovich being in the area, correct, Yeah,
Billa Lobos was in the area. Correct, Burnston was in
the area correct? Correct? Yes, Sorry, you have to for
the record, But they weren't just in the area, were they.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
I mean, I know Burne was throwing some punches, yes,
but I don't recall exactly I Flock and Villa were
fully in there like that.

Speaker 14 (01:45:24):
Would you agree that you are very clear on the
facts about how you came in and out of the
house and where you stood.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:45:32):
Would you agree that you are less clear about who
threw punches and who was involved?

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
I would yes, with the fight aspects.

Speaker 14 (01:45:39):
Would you agree that all of the Shelton High kids
were friends of yours?

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
I mean, yeah, they all knew, they've all known each other.

Speaker 14 (01:45:46):
You don't want to see any of them get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
View, No, but they necessarily couldn't really get in any
trouble at this point in time, so I wouldn't be
doing them a favor.

Speaker 14 (01:45:57):
Okay, you continued to Tex even after the fight had ended.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Correct. I believe I had sent some texts once because
my phone was being NonStop lit up with calls, and
I pulled out my phone to look at him, and
I had noticed a text from them first. Yeah, I responded,
I do. I think I remember what they were as well.

Speaker 14 (01:46:20):
Oh what were they?

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
The final text was it? I received a text that said,
let me know how surgery goes, and I responded out
of childness, I was like, look at your face. You'll
probably never get a girl, not really knowing the severity,
just throwing something. But that's why I responded because I
read that text.

Speaker 14 (01:46:37):
You responded to mister Snyder. Correct. Yes, mister Snyder said
something about surgery. Correct, Yes, and you responded something about
look at your face.

Speaker 8 (01:46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
I didn't know whose number that was, so that's I
just gave a It was a random number to me,
so assumed it was maybe one of the people fighting,
since he's sitting like, I don't know. I didn't know.
I wouldn't. I didn't know who it was at the
time just a movement.

Speaker 14 (01:47:04):
He told us. When the swarm occurred on mister Valley,
you couldn't see mister Valley anymore at that point, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
I couldn't really point anyone out in specific there.

Speaker 14 (01:47:15):
You didn't see him again until you saw and then
when he came back onto the lawn again, you lost
sight of him again at that point, correct, You lost
sight of him because that group swarmed him again. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
I No, he came back into it. He had all
willed to believe and was brought himself back into it.

Speaker 14 (01:47:40):
That's your opinion, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
I don't know. I watched him willing like no one
pulled him back in from that car. He ran to
the car and came straight back in, and.

Speaker 14 (01:47:51):
You couldn't see him because all of your Shelton Hi
friends were blocking your view.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
Correct. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't a talk through three
years ago, so.

Speaker 14 (01:48:02):
I feel your pain. You could be unable to see
them because they were taller, and they were also forming
a circle, were they.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Not, honestly a circle probably would have made it easier
for me to see him if they fully surrounded him.
Because majority of the people it was like a wall,
so I couldn't see him.

Speaker 14 (01:48:21):
Did you see mister McGrath at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
No, I wasn't. I didn't. I didn't. Maybe I saw him,
I didn't notice it was Jimmy at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
No.

Speaker 14 (01:48:31):
Could you see Michael Gerry?

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
So what was that Michael?

Speaker 14 (01:48:34):
Could you see Michael sam Perry.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
I don't know exactly where Michael was. No.

Speaker 14 (01:48:40):
Could you see Michael Lakovich?

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
He was he was around me.

Speaker 8 (01:48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:48:44):
Could you see jacob Illa Lobos?

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
Yeah, he pulled he pushed Tyler into the road. I
think Lockman helped with that too.

Speaker 14 (01:48:51):
Could you see them at the time that you could
no longer see mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
Like once they split? Was I able to see locking Lobos?

Speaker 9 (01:49:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
I wasn't focused on them, Like I never really took
screenshots in my mind of all the people that were
around and everything. I know who was there, but I
don't know the specifics of who was where, when and
where and how.

Speaker 14 (01:49:16):
This was a chaotic scene, right, Yeah, and you heard
a lot of people screaming, right, But yes, in fact,
before you heard Charlie Connery screaming about a knife, you
heard other people screaming other things.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
Right, Not necessarily because Charlie's Charlie yelling he has a
knife was significantly louder, and it like everyone heard Charlie.

Speaker 14 (01:49:37):
Yell that you didn't hear anything being said when Tyler
de Silva was being attacked.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Uh no, at least I don't recall like it was
scuffling and shit talk. I don't remember exactly everything that
was said.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Thank you, nothing for it, right, I'm assuming there's going
to be some re draft. Correct. All right, this is
a good time to take our morning recess, so we
are going to break for fifteen minutes for the morning recess.
We'll pick back up at twelve fifteen court stands and recess.
Thanks you, good afternoon, Thank you all right, so, good afternoon.

(01:50:20):
I apologize for the delay. We had some technical difficulties,
so we have resolved those and we are ready to proceed.
I'm going to ask the witness to take the stand.

Speaker 14 (01:50:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Watch your step and have a seat. I just want
to remind you you continue to be under the obligation
of your oath. All right, and we'll bring the jury in.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
All right. Ask counsel to please stipulate the return of
all of our jurors. All right. Thank you before we
begin with redirect to the jurors. I just want to
apologize for the delay. We did have technical difficulties. We've
resolved them. We're good and I'm going to ask the
stage to come on up and conduct gets redropt.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Thank you, Thank you an.

Speaker 6 (01:51:05):
God that noon. I want to direct your attention to
your testimony on cross examination.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
When council asked you about this.

Speaker 6 (01:51:15):
Group chat that was going on early on in the
group chat, you had mentioned on cross that there was
a comment about going to Trumbull High School? Was that
sent by anybody from your group? Was that sent by
somebody from the Saint Joe's group?

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Do you know who sent that?

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
What was your understanding of the the request to come
to Trouble High School?

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
Why? Why to go fight there?

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
And did anybody from your group go to Tumble High School?
And the back and forth in this this group chat
do you indicate it was argumentative? Do you know the
subject of why there was this back and forth between
you and your friends and the Saint Joe's group.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Was that over what had happened at Lazybrook? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:52:11):
Now, when the council asked you about you went outside
when the car initially drove up to the house at
the beginning, and you said that you went outside because
you were curious.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
Yeah, what did you mean by that? Like we had
no idea what's going to happen, Like we're gonna go outside,
We're gonna see what's going on. I don't I there
might have been a lack of better term I used
curious there, but we just all had outside. I think
there's people here. We knew what was going on prior.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
In your mind, did you expect to fight at the house?

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
It was a thought. I didn't know if it was
exactly going to happen. It could have been settled. I
don't know, but some sort of interaction. Yeah, in your mind.

Speaker 6 (01:52:58):
Uh, if there was going to be an altercation at
Tyler Rich's house, would it have been a fistfight?

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
Would you have brought any weapons to this way?

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:53:15):
Now, when the car pulled up, was the group chat
still going on or did it die down?

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
It's like once we were in person interactions, they died down.
There was still texts here and there, but significantly died down.
We were in the same vicinity.

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
Now when the car took off down the street, and
I think your testimony was went up and down the
street a few times, communicated, they threw things that you guys,
You guys threw things back. Did the group chat continue
at that point you recall?

Speaker 12 (01:53:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Yeah, and how did it continue? You know there was
text on both parts.

Speaker 6 (01:53:50):
Let me ask you this, did you say anything in
the group chat when the car was driving back and
forth or after?

Speaker 9 (01:53:56):
Ye?

Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Now, when the car drove away up and down the street,
you saw it stop finally down their farmhouse.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Did you see the car leave the area for good?

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
All right, at one point, yeah, they took the turn
on the farmhouse, but I believe they just came back
up around. But at some point in time later that
night the car came back.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
Was there any talk about back and forth on your
part about having the car come back, come back, let's fight.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Or had you had that? I don't believe so.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
No. Now, when the car finally returned, you went outside
to watch. Yeah, and why did you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
Because they said that they were here, that they were
actually here this time they were coming. So we all
went outside and the older guys kind of took the
reins and were like, what's up.

Speaker 6 (01:55:01):
At any point in time, did you tell them to
leave prior to that final interaction on the front lawn
of forty three laureld Win.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Not in like a discreet up front way, but there's
definitely like get the f out of here, like like leave,
like you know, just like a part of arguments, like
you're sitting in your car, get get that out of here.
Just things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
And when they returned on the front lawn, your expectation
you were going to see what on the front lawn
potentially a fight and in your mind a fight. Did
a fight include the use of weapons? No? Did any
of your friends have weapons?

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
Now, Council indicated on cross examination that you had told
the police that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
There were three people that got out of the car
that night. Can you explain what you meant by that.
I don't directly recall the exact question I was asked
for that response. I just know that there were three
people involved. So maybe they took me involving the three
as like all three we're literally involved and we're in
the in the fight.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
But as you sit here today, do you know whether
or not Jack Snyder was.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Involved in the fight. He was not involved in the fight.

Speaker 6 (01:56:21):
Uh, do you know whether or not Tyler de Silva
was involved in the fight. Do you know whether or
not the defendant was involved?

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
He was involved in the fight.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
And do you know whether or not Tyler de Silva
and the defendant were the only two individuals on that
front one from that car. Yes, So they came back. Yes,
And based on the nature of what was said during

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the interaction between Tyler Rich and Tyler de Silva and
the defendant and ty Wood and Ryan Hines, was it
was the tone of that conversation, not what they said,
but was the tone peaceful?

Speaker 10 (01:57:06):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:57:07):
Now, you were asked about what you recall witnessing after
the fight starts, and you indicated that you saw Tyler
de Silva on top of Tyler Rich.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
Yeah, I've been a point in time in the fight
and he's like his head's kind of down to the
side near Tyler's Rich's head, and his back is exposed,
his shirt is kind of so he's on the ground. Yeah,
Rich is on the ground, and he's like the Silva's
on top of him, but like kind of Rich is
holding him down, like like kind of curling him in
the ball. I guess, on top of him.

Speaker 6 (01:57:35):
Okay, And so if if if I'm Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
How is he on the ground like like kneads are
on the ground and then Rich was holding his upper
body on the ground in the headline.

Speaker 6 (01:57:46):
Yeah, so for all intense purposes, what you witness during
that fight was Tyler Rich was on his back.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Yeah, okay, And.

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
I no council asked you a little bit about what
else you recall about that specific part of the fight.
Do you recall seeing Alex Bernston there? And do you
what do you recall about his involvement in that part
of the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
He was he was a bystander at first, but we
kind of all really met him that night. He was
a friend of Tanners that had came along because I
don't I guess he had heard about it all. But yeah,
he got involved, but not for terribly long. He was
got in through a couple of punches and then it
kind of stopped.

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
It was they landed.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
Probably around like this area on his back on either side. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:58:39):
And do you recall if Michael sam Perry was in
the area. I don't recall of Michael's Do you recall.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
If Sal Perry was in the area. I don't remember
seeing Sal Do you.

Speaker 6 (01:58:53):
Recall Ricky Enrico Fiola in the area.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
He was in the area. Was he involved in the fight.
I didn't personally witness him do anything.

Speaker 11 (01:59:02):
Do you recall whether or not.

Speaker 6 (01:59:06):
Jacob bill Lobos was involved in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
When I noticed Jake was there, he was when he
would finally pride him apart and push the silver out
to the road. That's when I first really like realized
it was Jake Philla.

Speaker 6 (01:59:19):
So Jake bill Lobos came over and pushed the silver
out into the road.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
Yeah, he pushed him out, and I think collective was
just like, get out of here done. It was a
short thing. We were the fight between both of them
at the same time. It is probably a minute long
at most.

Speaker 6 (01:59:33):
And when that happened, at what point did you see
the defendant come back into the fight?

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
As he's sort of like as Tyler gets like shoved
and he's stumbling out, he runs back in, and it's
kind of like as he's as Leto's re entering, Siva
is like standing there and he's like adjusting his pants
and like just adjusting his clothing that he has on.
So at that moment, when the defendant comes back into

(01:59:58):
the fight, he still was no longer involved.

Speaker 6 (02:00:01):
So he's out there in the street.

Speaker 4 (02:00:03):
Yeah, he's standing in the road at the time.

Speaker 6 (02:00:05):
Now, the Defense Council asked you about Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 4 (02:00:12):
You grew up with Jimmy. Yeah, how well did you
know him? And I know him pretty well until we
split to high school, but I still would see him.
I saw him pretty often. We'd see each other every
couple of months. And did you play sports with him?

Speaker 6 (02:00:22):
I did.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
I put the cross with them when we were younger.

Speaker 6 (02:00:26):
And May fourteenth or twenty twenty two, was this during
lacrosse season?

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
It could have been for prep. I I think, yeah,
yeah it was. Yes, it was okay.

Speaker 6 (02:00:34):
And do you know whether or not Jimmy was actually
playing yes across at the time.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
He was.

Speaker 6 (02:00:38):
And I think the uh, the description that you gave
on cross examinations, Jimmy wouldn't just hop into the fight.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
They wouldn't. There'd have to be a reason those characteristics
are true about him. Yes, but that's because he's a
great friend. He was a great kid, and he wouldn't
just jump into a fight because it's free pickens, if
that makes sense, Like if you could just get a
couple of punches in No.

Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
So in other words, what you're saying is if if
someone was in a fight, and uh, there was a
it looked like it was a fair fight, he.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
Wouldn't just jump in throw a few punches.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
Sustained.

Speaker 6 (02:01:16):
So with regards to Jimmy, h was he a violent individual?
How would you describe Jimmy's demeanor?

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
He was.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
A funny kid, always looking to make a joke to
cheer people up. He's very had an amazing character, like
he's one of one, and I don't know many people
who were like Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah, he knew how to fight,
but he wasn't like like he was looking for a fight.

Speaker 6 (02:01:46):
And based on your recollection of what happened that night,
do you recall seeing Jimmy involved with Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 4 (02:01:54):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:01:55):
Do you recall seeing Jimmy involved with a defendant in
a fight? No?

Speaker 4 (02:01:59):
I didn't you. Jimmy really had all outside. He was
just in the crowd. Was he involved?

Speaker 6 (02:02:05):
He When you say he was in the crowd, where
do you where was he?

Speaker 9 (02:02:09):
Thank?

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
You have no for the questions.

Speaker 14 (02:02:12):
Ys, So you've just told us that mister McGrath wouldn't
join in the fight just to get in some Could
you tell us what it was that he wouldn't do.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
Just just to get some free punches, Like there's a
reason he's gonna fight, And it's kind of always how
he's been. He fights if there's a if you if
there's a reason for him to fight.

Speaker 14 (02:02:37):
So he wouldn't join in with the group and swarm
and start kicking somebody that was down on the ground, not.

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
Now while, not while if you're claiming he was swarmed
while witnessing that.

Speaker 14 (02:02:48):
No, he wouldn't join if there was a swarm, He
wouldn't join that swarm and start getting.

Speaker 4 (02:02:53):
In some kicks from the way I know, Jimmy.

Speaker 14 (02:02:56):
No, you told us that you didn't see mister McGrath
with the defendant at all, correct, But you saw that
mister McGrath was over on the edge, you said, I.

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
Had I knew his general area. I never exactly witnessed
him doing anything with the defendant or and his involvement
in the fight.

Speaker 14 (02:03:22):
You thought you knew where his general area was, but
you couldn't actually see him. That's correct, right now, So
you couldn't see where mister McGrath.

Speaker 4 (02:03:31):
Was once the fight broke out. No, I was in
fight broke out.

Speaker 14 (02:03:34):
And you couldn't see where mister Valley was when he
stepped back onto the yard. But your claim is that
you couldn't see mister McGrath. You couldn't see mister Valley,
but you could see mister da Silva out in the yard,
out in the road, hiking up his pants.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
Yeah, because they were in separate locations.

Speaker 14 (02:03:52):
They were in separate locations, Silver, mister.

Speaker 4 (02:03:56):
The angles I had on them, yes, I was able
to see one and not the other.

Speaker 14 (02:04:00):
Now you've told us, though, that you watched a video
of all this, right that mister I was showed a video, Yes,
and that video was shot from a different perspective than
where you were standing, correct, pretty similar? Were you standing
beside Tanner Chanowski?

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Not directly, but I was near him? Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:04:17):
Was he standing over by the cement square and the
red bush.

Speaker 4 (02:04:22):
Yeah, he was closer to the fight. He was closer
to like front row.

Speaker 14 (02:04:25):
How far away were you from mister Chanowski.

Speaker 4 (02:04:31):
Tanner's probably it's like to add this picture to that right,
which would be in front of the tree, and I'm,
like I said, near the concrete in the bush, so
a couple of feet. It's not terrible and.

Speaker 14 (02:04:47):
You saw that video after you gave your original statement. Correct.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:04:52):
How many times do you think you've watched that video?

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
I think I've been shown it maybe three or four times.

Speaker 14 (02:04:59):
You've shown it three or four times by somebody from
the State's Attorney's office, the police, and that's about it.
You've never watched it on your own. I never had it, know,
so you've only watched it when you've been shown it
by somebody from the police department or the State's Attorney's office.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Yes, I believe.

Speaker 14 (02:05:16):
So when was the last time you watched that video.

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
Our prior meeting, which I think was like two weeks ago,
maybe a week and a half, week and.

Speaker 14 (02:05:26):
A half ago or so, you saw that video? Yeah, today,
you would agree you've testified slightly differently than what you
told the officers when you first spoke to them about
what you witnessed.

Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
Yeah. Maybe they wrote down some things they took a
little bit differently.

Speaker 14 (02:05:41):
So do you think that your recollection has in any
way been affected by your viewing of that video?

Speaker 4 (02:05:48):
No, because I was actually asked to describe when it
happened before I was showing the video, when I was
with my when I was showing the video, so they
were pretty similar.

Speaker 14 (02:05:57):
They've lined up and that's your test stimony then that
you were able to see mister de Silva out in
the road, but you could not see mister McGrath or
mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
Yeah, once once they came. Once he came back in
where Ledo came back into involvement. I lost a view
with him.

Speaker 14 (02:06:18):
And you told us that mister Burnson showed up that
night and it was the first time that many of
you had met him.

Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
I can't speak for all. I had met him like
he was a new a new name to be brought around.

Speaker 14 (02:06:31):
Okay, and he showed up because he had heard about
it all.

Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
He was there like before. They were they as in
the Saint Joe's kids. But I got Tanner obviously knew,
so I think he was them two together, and Burne
just wanted to come hang out.

Speaker 14 (02:06:47):
So he'd been recruited to come there.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
Not necessarily recruited. It's not like we needed any assistance
like that or anything like that.

Speaker 14 (02:06:56):
You already had thirty or forty people there. Yeah, he
told us you didn't go to Trumbull High right, No,
why not?

Speaker 4 (02:07:04):
So I was in Shotland and I wasn't driving to
a public high school to potentially fight somebody.

Speaker 14 (02:07:09):
I want to do that on your home turf, not
even home turf.

Speaker 4 (02:07:13):
You're just stupid to fight at a high school. It's
surrounded in cameras. And it's also yeah, like I think
some of them are from Trumble. I don't know, but
that's like we're not going on of our way to
go to Trumble High School.

Speaker 14 (02:07:24):
So you didn't want to go to Trumble High School
because there were cameras there.

Speaker 4 (02:07:27):
Yeah, Like that's just reasons, Like it's be stupid to
go have a fight at a public location.

Speaker 14 (02:07:33):
Not because you didn't want to have a fight.

Speaker 4 (02:07:34):
Right, Yeah, And more so we didn't want to go
to that. We had no real desire.

Speaker 14 (02:07:41):
You had thirty or forty people there, why not bring
them there?

Speaker 8 (02:07:43):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
Noah, wouldn't bring them there.

Speaker 14 (02:07:49):
Nothing further, nothing from the.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Stadium, all right, So you can step down to watch
your step as your eyes at.

Speaker 7 (02:07:56):
The river, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
So we only have about thirteen minutes before the one
o'clock lunch recess. So I'm going to go ahead and
break into that lunch recess at this time. So, ladies
and gentlemen of the jury, we are going to be
breaking for recess from now. We'll pick back evidence up
at two pm, so please be back and prepared to

(02:08:23):
come in at two pm. I will remind you of
the obligations of your oath. I won't go through everything
right now, but again i'll highlight some of them. Just
don't speak with anyone. Avoid talking to anyone who tries
to approach you. Do not conduct any investigations. Stay away
from anything regarding this particular matter in the media, especially

(02:08:43):
during your lunch here, and try to avoid any members
of the public as you are entering. If and fetch
you eyes at the building for lunch. Have a great
lunch and we'll see you back here for two o'clock.
Thank you, Court stands and recess.

Speaker 6 (02:09:15):
God will Judge Murphy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Everyone, You may be seated. Thank you, counsel.
Are you ready to bring the jury in? Thank you Clark,
Thank you, Thank you. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen of
the jury council. Please stipulate the return of our jurors.

Speaker 14 (02:09:36):
Defense stipulates Runner.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
Very good. So at this time I will instruct the
state to please call it this next witness.

Speaker 6 (02:09:43):
Thank You're on the state.

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
We called Isabelle Monar to the stand.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Hi, there just remains standing. Please, thank you love.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
Do you solemnly swear or solemnly in as maybe at
the evidence in this case?

Speaker 5 (02:10:01):
Your so hope you got.

Speaker 15 (02:10:06):
Yeah, thank you?

Speaker 7 (02:10:07):
You suit your full name spelling, your last name Isabella
Rose Momar, It's M O, L and A R.

Speaker 6 (02:10:15):
You see your address.

Speaker 7 (02:10:17):
Sixty nine Iron Trunk, Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
You may be seated.

Speaker 7 (02:10:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:10:24):
You may Isabella, good afternoon, Thank you too.

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
Can you just keep your voice up because you're very
soft spoken? Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:10:32):
Is about hold you today?

Speaker 7 (02:10:34):
I'm twenty years old okay?

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
And uh do you go to school?

Speaker 6 (02:10:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:10:38):
Where do you go to school?

Speaker 7 (02:10:38):
I go to Lehigh University in Pennsylvania?

Speaker 9 (02:10:41):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:10:42):
And uh, what are you currently studying?

Speaker 7 (02:10:44):
Marketing? Busy? I'm sorry sorry I said business like?

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:10:48):
And uh are you working for the summer?

Speaker 7 (02:10:50):
I have a summer internship. And where do you work
in Ridgefield?

Speaker 6 (02:10:55):
And uh? Do you know why you're here today?

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:10:58):
And prior to today have you and I met regarding
this case? Yes? And I want to are you nervous
to be here today?

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
A little bit?

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:11:08):
So I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 7 (02:11:17):
Sorry, say they are again.

Speaker 6 (02:11:18):
May fourteenth of twenty two.

Speaker 7 (02:11:21):
I was three years ago? So was seventeen? And were
you in school Saint Jose okay?

Speaker 6 (02:11:28):
And what year in school were you at Saint Jose.

Speaker 7 (02:11:30):
I was a junior in high school.

Speaker 6 (02:11:32):
And are you familiar with an individual by the name
of Jack Snyder?

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:11:38):
And how are you familiar with Jack Snyder?

Speaker 7 (02:11:40):
We were classmates at Saint Jose Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:11:44):
And are you familiar with an individual by.

Speaker 6 (02:11:46):
The name of Tyler Dussilt? Yes? And how are you
familiar with Tyler dus Silt?

Speaker 7 (02:11:50):
Same thing, we were classmates.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
And are you familiar with an individual by the name
of Raoul Valley?

Speaker 7 (02:11:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:11:55):
And how are you familiar with Raoul Valley classmates as well?
And does Raoul I have a nickname Lido?

Speaker 4 (02:12:02):
Lido? And is uh the defense?

Speaker 6 (02:12:05):
Is Raoul president in the courtroom today?

Speaker 5 (02:12:11):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:12:12):
And can you please describe what he's wearing.

Speaker 7 (02:12:14):
He's wearing a black jacket and a tie.

Speaker 4 (02:12:18):
Can you please point him out for the ladies and
gentlemen of the jury?

Speaker 10 (02:12:20):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:12:21):
Yeah, I made the record reflect the witnesses identified the
defendant in this case.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
All right, Cordla allowed the records to so reflect.

Speaker 6 (02:12:27):
Now, I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. Were you invited to a party
on five Lazy Brook Road? Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:12:36):
And what was the circumstances surrounding your You're going to
five Lazy Brook Road.

Speaker 7 (02:12:41):
I was invited. My lacrosse team was going there, and
Maddy Life had invited us, and we all hung out
there and that was done initially.

Speaker 6 (02:12:50):
How many people were there.

Speaker 7 (02:12:52):
Initially? I'm maybe like fifteen, I'm not quite sure, to
be honest.

Speaker 6 (02:12:58):
And this was a Saint Joe's high school lacrosse party.

Speaker 7 (02:13:02):
Yeah, she just had her lacrosse team over and some
of her friends, Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:13:06):
And at some point in time did other people show
up to the party? Yes? Who showed up to the party.

Speaker 7 (02:13:13):
Other people that went to our school, other friends of
Maddie and yeah, other kids just start showing up. I
don't know exactly who, Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:13:24):
Yeah, at some point in time, did the defendant show
up to the party, yes? Did Jack Snyder show up
to the party, Yes? Did Tyler de Silva show up
to the party?

Speaker 7 (02:13:33):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:13:34):
Were they invited to the party.

Speaker 6 (02:13:35):
Objection in your honor.

Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
Hold on, just John, answer that basis, it's.

Speaker 14 (02:13:40):
Going to call for hearsay, opinion and the facts not
in evidence.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
If she knows, all right, well why don't we preface
it with laying the right foundation then? So I will
go ahead and sustain the objection.

Speaker 6 (02:13:52):
Do you call who was invited to the party?

Speaker 7 (02:13:56):
Initially?

Speaker 4 (02:13:56):
Initially calls for the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
It does, I'll sustain the objection. Counsel, you may rephrase
your class.

Speaker 6 (02:14:04):
So with regards to this party, Ah, what was your
understanding about who was attending the party?

Speaker 7 (02:14:11):
I know my lacrosse team was invited, and I know
that she maybe had invited some other kids from our school.

Speaker 6 (02:14:19):
And when you say other kids, other kids, being like
who what?

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
What kind of kids were inviting?

Speaker 7 (02:14:25):
Friends?

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Hold on a minute, Hold, I know that you don't
know that if there's an objection pending, I'm just going
to ask you to too late until I make a
willing until you continue speaking. Okay, but you're okay, I
just I know you've not done this before as well
as far as I know, so, but just let me
ask you to do that for me. Okay, thank you
so much.

Speaker 4 (02:14:46):
You may contend, So again.

Speaker 6 (02:14:49):
Your call who initially was.

Speaker 4 (02:14:53):
At the party?

Speaker 7 (02:14:54):
Yeah, my lacrosse team was, and some of her friends
from Saint Joe's there, That's all I recall.

Speaker 6 (02:15:05):
Was it the girls lacrosse team, girls across?

Speaker 10 (02:15:07):
Ye?

Speaker 6 (02:15:08):
Were there any males.

Speaker 4 (02:15:10):
At the party?

Speaker 7 (02:15:12):
Friends of hers? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:15:14):
And at some point how many people would you say
were at the party initially?

Speaker 7 (02:15:17):
Initially? Maybe like fifteen or twenty, but I'm not exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:15:22):
Sure, to be honest, And you recall whether or not
at some point in time the party got bigger.

Speaker 7 (02:15:28):
I recall it getting bigger. I don't know how soon
it was or but it did get bigger.

Speaker 6 (02:15:34):
And what time would you say you got to.

Speaker 7 (02:15:37):
The life orseuse, I'm not sure. I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (02:15:41):
And when you got there, what kind of things were
going on at the party?

Speaker 7 (02:15:47):
We were all just gathered, all saying hi, talking. There
was drinking, there was, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:15:55):
Now when you say there was drinking, what kind of
drinking was going on?

Speaker 7 (02:16:02):
I just know people were drinking like casually, nothing too crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:16:07):
Do you know whether or not people brought their own
stuff or was it being provided by I'm not sure, Okay,
And at some point in time did people who were
not initially invited to the party, show.

Speaker 14 (02:16:20):
Up, yes, call for hearsay, it's to call for opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:16:24):
I'm not asking one.

Speaker 5 (02:16:26):
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
I am going to sustain the objection, Council. The evidence
is not in that she knows who was invited to
the party, So I'll sustain the objection.

Speaker 6 (02:16:34):
Well, she testified your under that the lacrosse team was
invited to the party and some other friends.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
But she again, I'm sustaining the objection.

Speaker 6 (02:16:41):
You recall whether or not the other friends that were
invited to the party included the defendant. I'm sorry, Can
you repeat that the other friends that were invited to
the party?

Speaker 4 (02:16:51):
Did that include the defendant?

Speaker 7 (02:16:53):
Not that I'm aware of?

Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
And did that include Jack.

Speaker 6 (02:16:56):
Jack Snyder, not that I'm aware And did that include
Tyler de Silva, not that I'm aware of. Now, when,
at some point in time did the defendant.

Speaker 4 (02:17:05):
Show up to the party? Yeah, okay, Do you recall what.

Speaker 6 (02:17:08):
Time that was? I'm not sure when he got to
the party. Do you recall who he was with?

Speaker 7 (02:17:16):
I'm pretty sure he came with Jack and Tyler.

Speaker 6 (02:17:20):
And I'm gonna show you what's to mark the states
Exhibit fifty three.

Speaker 11 (02:17:24):
Do you recognize States fifty three?

Speaker 7 (02:17:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:17:28):
And what is States fifty three?

Speaker 6 (02:17:32):
Like?

Speaker 7 (02:17:32):
Who are they? Leto's on the right and Jack's on
the left.

Speaker 6 (02:17:37):
And do you know where this picture was taken?

Speaker 7 (02:17:39):
In her basement?

Speaker 14 (02:17:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:17:42):
Now, do you.

Speaker 6 (02:17:44):
Recall the defendant wearing a helmet that night? Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:17:47):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (02:17:48):
And the next pillow as well?

Speaker 16 (02:17:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:17:52):
At what point did the defendant come.

Speaker 4 (02:17:54):
To the party like that?

Speaker 7 (02:17:57):
Not that I recall, but I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (02:18:00):
At some point in time well withdrawn? When how long
were you at the party before the defendant and his
friend showed up?

Speaker 7 (02:18:10):
It's hard to remember, if I'm being honest, maybe an hour,
but I'm also not sure.

Speaker 6 (02:18:15):
And at some point in time did the party get
too big?

Speaker 1 (02:18:19):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:18:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:18:20):
And do you have any knowledge as to whether or
not people were.

Speaker 4 (02:18:24):
Asked to leave?

Speaker 7 (02:18:26):
Yes, people were asked to leave.

Speaker 4 (02:18:28):
Do you know in particular who was.

Speaker 6 (02:18:29):
Asked to leave?

Speaker 7 (02:18:32):
I think she just wanted everyone out, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:18:34):
And at some point in time do you recall whether
or not two individuals that were not associated with Saint
Joe's High school showed up?

Speaker 7 (02:18:48):
I remember I heard about it, And yeah, I recall
people showed up at the party, and.

Speaker 6 (02:18:52):
When they showed up to the party. Was there any
type of altercation.

Speaker 4 (02:18:56):
That you witnessed at the party?

Speaker 5 (02:18:58):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:18:58):
And what did you wishiness?

Speaker 4 (02:19:00):
At the party?

Speaker 7 (02:19:01):
There was a fight that broke out outside.

Speaker 6 (02:19:03):
And do you know who was involved in that fight?

Speaker 7 (02:19:06):
I know that Jack Tyler and Ledo were involved in
it and kids outside of Saint Joe's. I don't know
who those kids are.

Speaker 4 (02:19:13):
But and what do you remember seeing about that fight?

Speaker 7 (02:19:18):
It was outside and they were just fighting.

Speaker 6 (02:19:22):
And when you saw that fight, did you do anything
just prior.

Speaker 4 (02:19:25):
To witnessing that fight?

Speaker 7 (02:19:28):
I started videoing the fight and approach the witness shown.

Speaker 6 (02:19:32):
Yes, I'm showing you what's been marked the State's excluded
fifty eight for identification. Do you recognize fifty eight?

Speaker 1 (02:19:38):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:19:39):
And what is states fifty eight video that I took?
And is this video that you took from the night
of May fourteenth, of point point two at lazybron Yes.
And have you viewed this video prior to today's testimony?

Speaker 4 (02:19:51):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:19:52):
And does this USB drive contain the original video that
you took from that from that fight? Yes? And does
it also contain a video that has been lightened up
of the same video? Has that been changed in any way?
Other than it being lightened up, And does it also
contain a slow motion version of the same video that's
also lightened up, And aside from it being slow motion

(02:20:15):
and lightened up, is it changed in any way from
the original video? You're the state would offer this as
a full exhibit.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
Terry Smith, no jection, Your all right? Cortill go ahead
to accept the exhibit into evidence as a full exhibits.

Speaker 11 (02:20:31):
The published the jury ar.

Speaker 14 (02:20:37):
Videos.

Speaker 6 (02:20:52):
Now that first video, was that the original video of
the fight that occurred at Lazybrook Road?

Speaker 4 (02:20:56):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:20:57):
Exactly when is that the light bulb version of the
same video? Yes, you see the slow mover version of
the slow motion version has h frames on the bottom

(02:21:19):
frame ninety the state's exhibit fifty eight the slow motion version. Uh,
I'm gonna ask you, can I have that point? Can
you tell me?

Speaker 4 (02:21:29):
Do you know who this individual is right here to
the left.

Speaker 6 (02:21:32):
Tyler Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 2 (02:21:34):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:21:35):
Do you know who this individual is here in the
center with the dark helmet?

Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
Are you able to see the pointing?

Speaker 14 (02:21:41):
I can't see the point in your own it, but
I can see the video and I'm fairly clear.

Speaker 6 (02:21:45):
Yes, that's that's Lito, the defendant yes, And who is
this in the red sweatshirt?

Speaker 10 (02:21:51):
Here?

Speaker 6 (02:21:51):
That's Jack and the kid in the gray green sweatir.

Speaker 4 (02:21:54):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 6 (02:21:55):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:21:55):
No, I don't know who that is.

Speaker 6 (02:21:56):
Is that one of the Sheldon kids that came?

Speaker 7 (02:21:58):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (02:21:59):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:22:01):
At some point in time, did you were you asked
to be interviewed by the police department with regards to
this case. And when you were interviewed with the police department,
did you provide.

Speaker 4 (02:22:12):
This video of this this fight?

Speaker 7 (02:22:14):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:22:15):
And outside of that, Once this fight was over, what
happened at the lifer's house?

Speaker 7 (02:22:24):
After this everyone parted ways and left? Yeah? Everyone went home?

Speaker 6 (02:22:29):
I went home.

Speaker 4 (02:22:30):
You went home? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:22:32):
And with regards to the drinking that was going on
in the house, was everybody drinking that night?

Speaker 7 (02:22:41):
I'd say a good amount of people were yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:22:44):
And did you have anything to drink that night?

Speaker 7 (02:22:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:22:47):
How much would you say you drank that night?

Speaker 7 (02:22:49):
I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (02:22:50):
Were you drunk?

Speaker 7 (02:22:52):
Maybe a little bit, I'm not sure, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:22:55):
But you do you remember that this fight?

Speaker 7 (02:22:57):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:22:59):
I have no further question. Trying to thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:23:01):
Cross, thank you, Anna, thank you, good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (02:23:04):
This moment good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (02:23:07):
I'm just gonna go over with you what you've testified
to here. Okay, mh. You said that initially there were
about fifteen to twenty people that were at the party, correct, Yes,
And those were all Saint Joe's kids. Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (02:23:26):
I think it was mainly Saint Joe's kids. I can't
confirm that it was only Saint Jose but from my
understanding it was.

Speaker 14 (02:23:32):
Do you recall seeing anybody else that you didn't recognize
other than when the two kids from Shelton High right?

Speaker 7 (02:23:40):
I remember Mattie's boyfriend was there at the time. I
think it was mainly all Saint Joe's kids. Who else
were there, but that's to my understanding.

Speaker 14 (02:23:53):
And you said most of the people there were drinking,
right as I remember. Yes, And all of those people
that were drinking were all underage?

Speaker 4 (02:24:03):
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (02:24:05):
I would assume so, yes, Okay, because.

Speaker 14 (02:24:08):
You didn't see any adults there, is that correct?

Speaker 6 (02:24:11):
No?

Speaker 14 (02:24:12):
And this home where you were partying the party part
took place downstairs in the basement, and again you didn't
see any adults down there, is that correct?

Speaker 6 (02:24:24):
No?

Speaker 14 (02:24:25):
And you told us that some folks were bringing alcohol
with them, correct?

Speaker 7 (02:24:32):
Bringing alcohol. I think maybe some people. I'm not sure
where people had alcohol or where they got it from,
but people were drinking.

Speaker 14 (02:24:38):
Did you see anybody coming down from upstairs in the
home with alcohol.

Speaker 7 (02:24:44):
With alcohol? I know people were using the bathroom upstairs,
so some people were going upstairs and then coming back down.

Speaker 14 (02:24:55):
Did you see any adults providing alcohol.

Speaker 7 (02:24:58):
I didn't see any adults providing alcohol.

Speaker 14 (02:25:00):
And you didn't see any adults in the basement of
that correct.

Speaker 7 (02:25:03):
At the end of the party, her mom told us
to I'll leave, but that was it.

Speaker 14 (02:25:07):
You didn't know either of these two Shelton High kids
who showed up.

Speaker 7 (02:25:11):
No, I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (02:25:13):
And you started to record this because you thought what was.

Speaker 6 (02:25:18):
Going to happen.

Speaker 7 (02:25:19):
It was kind of just out of impulse. I think, yeah,
I think I just reacted.

Speaker 14 (02:25:24):
And you shared that video with the police when you
talk to them on June first, correct, But between May
fourteenth and June first, you didn't share that with any
police officers, did.

Speaker 7 (02:25:34):
You not the ones other than the ones I showed
on the June first, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 14 (02:25:41):
Yeah, And so you weren't recording it at that point
to preserve it as evidence to show somebody and you
didn't know if mister Decil was coming over to try
and break it up or if he was part of

(02:26:03):
the fight.

Speaker 4 (02:26:03):
Right.

Speaker 7 (02:26:05):
No, it all just kind of happened really fast.

Speaker 14 (02:26:09):
And yeah, and at some point they sort of collapsed
onto the ground on the other side of a vehicle, right.
And you couldn't see what was going on at that point,
could you.

Speaker 7 (02:26:22):
I think it looks at one point like leto or
somebody smacks someone with their fists. But I couldn't really
see much other than the video.

Speaker 14 (02:26:32):
And you saw mister Valley was wearing a motorcycle helmet corrects.
And you saw him in the picture there. He also
had on a pillow, correct And they were playing some
form of beer pong downstairs, Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (02:26:45):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 14 (02:26:47):
And there was no fighting going on in the basement,
is that fair to say? Yeah, none of the kids
down there were fighting or making threats towards one another
before the Chelton High kids.

Speaker 7 (02:26:57):
Showed up, not that I remember.

Speaker 14 (02:27:01):
And in fact, mister Valley, you thought wearing the neck
pillow and the helmet was trying to be funny.

Speaker 6 (02:27:06):
Objections to well withdrawn you can answer, thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:27:12):
I don't know why I'm not sure why he was
wearing it.

Speaker 14 (02:27:17):
You told officers when they interviewed you that you thought
he was trying to be funny, correct, Yeah, maybe, I
mean you didn't think that he was wearing that because
he was looking to get into a fight, did you.

Speaker 6 (02:27:28):
I'm an object based on what she thought, he thought
or what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (02:27:31):
That's he's asking what she thought and she he was doing.
She already answered about a statement she made to the
police attorney Dorsa, So I'll allow it.

Speaker 4 (02:27:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:27:43):
I'm sorry about why he was wearing it.

Speaker 14 (02:27:45):
Right, you didn't think that he was doing that so
that he was getting ready to go for a fight,
did you.

Speaker 7 (02:27:49):
I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (02:27:55):
And then you said that after the fight, very quickly,
missus leaf Leafer came out of the house and told
everybody to go right. Yeah, and that was the last
time that you saw mister Valley that evening. Yes, thank you,
nothing fort.

Speaker 6 (02:28:13):
Thank you, nothing further from asking thank.

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
You, you're uns you can act the witness box. Please
watch your stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:28:20):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:28:22):
See called Emily Robinson stand, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Please remainderstanding, madam clerk to my rights, going to put
you under oath. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:28:34):
You see your whole name spelling your last name, Emily
r Ov, I am s.

Speaker 11 (02:28:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
You may be seated tourney, miss, and you may proceed,
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 17 (02:28:50):
Hi Emily, how are you today?

Speaker 5 (02:28:51):
Good?

Speaker 6 (02:28:52):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (02:28:53):
Emily.

Speaker 17 (02:28:53):
How old are you?

Speaker 5 (02:28:54):
I'm twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (02:28:56):
And what are you currently doing?

Speaker 5 (02:28:58):
I am testifying in a murder trial?

Speaker 17 (02:29:02):
Yes, I guess it should be more specific. Currently, what
are you doing school?

Speaker 5 (02:29:06):
We're sorry?

Speaker 6 (02:29:07):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:29:08):
I am attending Bentley University.

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
Nice? And where is that located? And what is your major?

Speaker 5 (02:29:14):
I am a marketing major.

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
Nice.

Speaker 17 (02:29:16):
What are you doing for the summer?

Speaker 10 (02:29:17):
I am doing an internship in I think Berlin or
somewhere somewhere in Connecticut. Okay, sports management?

Speaker 17 (02:29:28):
A little nervous today, a little bit okay, take a depp.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (02:29:33):
So do you recall us meeting before today's date?

Speaker 11 (02:29:35):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:29:36):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
And what was the purpose of that meeting was to
talk about the trial?

Speaker 8 (02:29:39):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:29:40):
And did I tell you to just tell us the
truth and nothing about the truth?

Speaker 1 (02:29:44):
Did I tell you what to say? Emily? What high
school did you attend?

Speaker 5 (02:29:48):
I went to Saint Joseph High School and I'm going.

Speaker 17 (02:29:51):
To direct her attention to May of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 9 (02:29:53):
What year were you at Saint Jose Junior And did
you play any sports at Saint Jose?

Speaker 4 (02:29:59):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:29:59):
I played girl's soccer and girls across.

Speaker 17 (02:30:02):
And in May of twenty twenty two, were you on
the girls lacrosse team?

Speaker 4 (02:30:05):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:30:06):
And I'm going to direct your attention specifically to May
fourteenth of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (02:30:10):
Do you recall that day?

Speaker 4 (02:30:11):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
And why do you specifically recall that day?

Speaker 5 (02:30:14):
There was a little get together for the girl's lacrosse team.

Speaker 17 (02:30:18):
And when you say a little gut together, do you
mean a party or something more?

Speaker 5 (02:30:21):
Yes, it was a little like a little party.

Speaker 1 (02:30:23):
And where was that party located?

Speaker 5 (02:30:25):
Lazybrook in Shelton, Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:30:27):
And what was that Lazybrook in Shelton?

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
Whose residence was that?

Speaker 5 (02:30:30):
It was Madigan Laifer's house, a girl on the girls
across team?

Speaker 6 (02:30:34):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
Do you recall the address by any chance?

Speaker 5 (02:30:36):
Five Lazy Brook Road?

Speaker 7 (02:30:38):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:30:39):
And do you recall how you got to that get together?

Speaker 17 (02:30:42):
I drove and I'm going to direct your attention to
five Lazy Brook. What time did you arrive at that location?

Speaker 5 (02:30:50):
I'm not too sure sometime around five.

Speaker 1 (02:30:53):
Ish, okay.

Speaker 17 (02:30:54):
And when you got to the party, what was going on?

Speaker 4 (02:30:56):
Nothing?

Speaker 5 (02:30:57):
Really, it was more just like everyone was hanging out
in the basement.

Speaker 9 (02:31:00):
Approx to me how many people were at this party
around twenty ish? At some point as the night progressed,
the party get bigger?

Speaker 11 (02:31:07):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:31:08):
And how large would you say I got? How many
people where you say were there later on in the night.

Speaker 17 (02:31:14):
I can't really recall, okay, an attendance of the party.

Speaker 9 (02:31:17):
Was it just Saint Joe's lacrosse girls, the cross players
or were there other individuals there?

Speaker 5 (02:31:22):
There was more Saint Jo's kids and some other kids
from Shelton, okay.

Speaker 9 (02:31:27):
And when you say some other kids from Shelton, how
many other kids from Shelton were there?

Speaker 5 (02:31:31):
I'm not completely sure the exact number, but I do
know that there.

Speaker 1 (02:31:34):
Was two okay.

Speaker 17 (02:31:36):
In addition to you said some of the girls lacrosse
players you indicated to Shelton High school students. Was there
anyone else that was there that was not invited?

Speaker 1 (02:31:44):
Yes, jection your sustained, I'm going to strike the answer.
Thank you just disregarded. It's not part of the evidence.

Speaker 17 (02:31:52):
Emily, are you familiar with Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 11 (02:31:55):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (02:31:56):
Are you also familiar with an individual by the name
of Jacks Night Yes? And what about an individual or
the name of Raoul Valley?

Speaker 6 (02:32:03):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:32:04):
How are you familiar with those individuals?

Speaker 5 (02:32:07):
I was in their grade at school. I had classes
with them, but that's pretty much where it ended.

Speaker 17 (02:32:12):
Did you hang out with their friends that group gatherings
at all?

Speaker 9 (02:32:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
Not usually?

Speaker 9 (02:32:17):
Okay, if you were to see them, for instance, out,
would you recognize them?

Speaker 11 (02:32:21):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:32:21):
Okay, from those three individuals, do you recognize any of
those individuals here today in court?

Speaker 14 (02:32:25):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:32:26):
Okay, who do you recognize?

Speaker 11 (02:32:29):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:32:29):
When you say Leto does does that person go by
a different name?

Speaker 6 (02:32:34):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:32:34):
And what name does that person go by?

Speaker 4 (02:32:36):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
So you know that person Raoul as Lido as well?

Speaker 4 (02:32:39):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:32:40):
Can you please point abound and just describe.

Speaker 5 (02:32:42):
What he's wearing a black suit with a black tie.

Speaker 9 (02:32:46):
That the record reflect you own know that the witnesses
I didn't find the defendant the record should serve reflect
Thank you. So, Emily, as I refer to Leedo or
Raoul as you know him, I'm also going to refer
him as a dependent.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
It's the same person, okay.

Speaker 17 (02:32:59):
So, and only at some point when you were at
the party.

Speaker 1 (02:33:06):
Did something occur between the Saint Jo's three.

Speaker 9 (02:33:11):
Individuals that you just indicated, as well as Shelton High
School students.

Speaker 1 (02:33:15):
And what happened?

Speaker 5 (02:33:15):
There was a fight?

Speaker 6 (02:33:16):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:33:17):
And were you present when that fight took place?

Speaker 6 (02:33:20):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:33:20):
And when you say present, how close to the fight
were you?

Speaker 5 (02:33:23):
I was very close. I was trying to break it up, okay.

Speaker 9 (02:33:27):
Before reced. I am going to show you what's in Marcus.
These the number fifty three, my approach, the partgrounder.

Speaker 1 (02:33:31):
Yes, thank you, Emily.

Speaker 2 (02:33:33):
You have a screen in front of you here looking
at stasyty three. Do you recognize the individual of this photo?

Speaker 6 (02:33:38):
Rapes?

Speaker 5 (02:33:38):
And who are those individuals? Jack Snyder in the red
and Lido.

Speaker 2 (02:33:44):
And I'm looking at stasyty three. Do you remember.

Speaker 9 (02:33:48):
Leto if you're just indicated, wearing that helmet as well
as the pillow.

Speaker 5 (02:33:52):
Around his neck.

Speaker 11 (02:33:54):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:33:55):
And from your recollection from that.

Speaker 9 (02:33:56):
Night at the party, do you recall if the defendants
showed up wearing this helmet and the pillar or.

Speaker 2 (02:34:01):
Did he retrieve it at the party he got it
at the party.

Speaker 17 (02:34:03):
Do you recall whose helmet that is that he's wearing.

Speaker 1 (02:34:06):
I do not know exactly, okay.

Speaker 9 (02:34:08):
And when the fight broke out that you observed you
recall if the defendant was wearing that helmet during the fight,
he was, okay. Now directing your attention back to the
party that night, what was happening at the party?

Speaker 17 (02:34:22):
Was there drinking going on? Were their games being played?

Speaker 1 (02:34:24):
Explain?

Speaker 10 (02:34:24):
Yes, there was drinking going on, and there was some
games being played like beer pong and other drinking games.

Speaker 7 (02:34:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:34:33):
What type of alcohol is being consumed?

Speaker 5 (02:34:34):
If you recall mostly beer and some alcoholic exceltzers.

Speaker 17 (02:34:38):
Had you been drinking?

Speaker 4 (02:34:39):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:34:39):
How many alcohol beverages had you consumed?

Speaker 9 (02:34:42):
I don't remember were you Had you been drinking to
the point where you were a trunk not able to
stand or I was no?

Speaker 6 (02:34:50):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (02:34:50):
And you indicate you had driven to the party that night, yes, Now,
did you observe lido or I will.

Speaker 1 (02:34:57):
Drinking that night?

Speaker 5 (02:34:58):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:34:59):
And looking at C.

Speaker 9 (02:35:00):
Fifty three, do you do you see the blue liquid
that the defendant is holding in his hand there?

Speaker 10 (02:35:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:35:04):
Do you recall what that is? Do you know what
that is?

Speaker 2 (02:35:07):
Now?

Speaker 9 (02:35:08):
The individuals that arrived from Shelton High School, as you indicated,
you know the names of those individuals.

Speaker 5 (02:35:13):
I did not at the time, but I did later
learn that it was Griffin and Ryan.

Speaker 1 (02:35:17):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (02:35:18):
And when you say later on did you have interactions
with them?

Speaker 5 (02:35:20):
Yes, after the fight, one of my friends drove them away.

Speaker 17 (02:35:26):
And is that when you learn their name?

Speaker 5 (02:35:27):
Yes, yeah, in the car.

Speaker 9 (02:35:28):
Now when aed you indicated Ryan and Griffin arrived at
five Lazy Brook, if you can recall or if you observed,
how did the defendant, Jack and Tyler to Silver react
they did not want them then?

Speaker 14 (02:35:44):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:35:44):
And how do you know that?

Speaker 17 (02:35:45):
What were they doing without going into what they were saying,
how were.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
They observed.

Speaker 5 (02:35:51):
Trying to kick them out?

Speaker 17 (02:35:53):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (02:35:54):
Would you say it was a bit of a hostile interaction? Yeah, Now,
at some point you indicated a.

Speaker 17 (02:36:01):
Fight broke out. Do you recall what that fight was over?

Speaker 5 (02:36:04):
It was over like a little case of beer. Okay.

Speaker 17 (02:36:06):
And when you say it was over a little case
of beer, explain.

Speaker 10 (02:36:11):
The lido and like the others had taken it from
them and wanted them to leave, and Ryan wanted the
beer back and then he would leave.

Speaker 5 (02:36:20):
But so that's why they fought over the alcohol.

Speaker 6 (02:36:24):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:36:24):
Were you standing there when were you observing this? You
were observing the beer being taken and then Ryan wanting
that beer back.

Speaker 9 (02:36:30):
Yes, okay, And to your knowledge, did the boys from
Saint Joe's give the beer back to Ryan at that point?

Speaker 1 (02:36:38):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:36:39):
And because the beer was not giving back.

Speaker 6 (02:36:40):
What occurred?

Speaker 5 (02:36:41):
That's when the fight broke out.

Speaker 9 (02:36:43):
And when you say a fight broke out, you indicated
you observed the fight. Ch your recollection and explain what
you observed when the fight happened.

Speaker 10 (02:36:50):
I saw Lido punch Ryan from behind. And then that's
when everyone started.

Speaker 1 (02:36:55):
Fighting, okay. And when you see everyone.

Speaker 5 (02:36:59):
Just fight, Jack, Tyler and Leedo.

Speaker 9 (02:37:02):
Now, obviously from say fifty three, you can see here
even heated, Jack is wearing the red sweatshirt, LDO was
wearing the blue shirt.

Speaker 17 (02:37:10):
What was Tyler wearing that night?

Speaker 5 (02:37:11):
If you can recall a light blue jersey.

Speaker 9 (02:37:15):
Now you had said that you had were saying certain
things during the fight when it was going on.

Speaker 5 (02:37:22):
What were you saying, A AA trying to break it up?

Speaker 1 (02:37:26):
Okay? And were you successful in breaking up the fight?

Speaker 6 (02:37:28):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:37:29):
Not really.

Speaker 9 (02:37:30):
In addition to as you said, you observed Leto hit
someone in the back of the head, did you observe
the defendant doing anything else during that fight.

Speaker 5 (02:37:40):
Near the end of the fight, he head butted Ryan,
who was on the ground.

Speaker 4 (02:37:45):
With the helmet on.

Speaker 17 (02:37:46):
So when you say head butted, explained to members of
the jury what you mean by that.

Speaker 10 (02:37:51):
He like took his head and like to the ground,
like he like dive bombed with his head in the
into Ryan who was.

Speaker 6 (02:38:02):
On the ground.

Speaker 9 (02:38:03):
Okay, let the recker reflectorround the witnesses, motioning her head
towards the front of her body to indicate what the
defendant was doing with Emily from your description, and it
sounds like the defendant had kept the helmet on as
he was using it on Ryan.

Speaker 1 (02:38:19):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 17 (02:38:20):
So no, at any point did he take that helmet
off when he was doing that?

Speaker 1 (02:38:23):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:38:24):
And did he Did you observe him head but Ryan
once or more than once?

Speaker 5 (02:38:28):
I only remember once?

Speaker 6 (02:38:30):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:38:31):
And what was wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:38:33):
May I approach the clerk runner, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:38:39):
The fifty Emily, I'm going to show you.

Speaker 5 (02:38:44):
What to market day fifty eight.

Speaker 1 (02:38:55):
Do you remember seeing that video?

Speaker 5 (02:38:57):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:38:57):
Do you recall who took that video?

Speaker 5 (02:39:00):
Mon I'm sorry, Bella Molnar.

Speaker 17 (02:39:02):
Okay, do you know Bella Monar?

Speaker 5 (02:39:03):
Yes, we were in the same grade.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
So she was a friend of yours.

Speaker 10 (02:39:06):
Yes, And.

Speaker 17 (02:39:09):
If we could just have to play the slowdown version,
what a frame ninety please?

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (02:39:16):
I'm going to show you a clip from one of
the versions of that video.

Speaker 2 (02:39:23):
Hi, So looking at stave fifty eight, can you see
in your screen there? Yes? Okay, if you can point
out who was in the right uh, that was Jack
Cent okay.

Speaker 17 (02:39:35):
And over to the left hand side of Jack there
in the blue jersey, who was that?

Speaker 7 (02:39:39):
That was Tyler?

Speaker 9 (02:39:40):
And over to the right hand side of Jack in
the greenish colored sweatshirt, who was that?

Speaker 6 (02:39:46):
That was Ryan?

Speaker 14 (02:39:46):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:39:47):
And do you see yourself anywhere in this video at
this point?

Speaker 5 (02:39:50):
I'm on like the far right. I don't think you
can really see me yet. Okay, you can just back
it up.

Speaker 7 (02:40:00):
Wind.

Speaker 5 (02:40:01):
Do you see yourself here? Yeah, I'm in the white
shirt okay.

Speaker 9 (02:40:04):
And so towards the backside of the video, yes, if
we can play that just normally.

Speaker 1 (02:40:19):
So, Emily, you saw.

Speaker 2 (02:40:21):
Yourself walking towards the fight that you yes, in states
What are you doing at that point?

Speaker 5 (02:40:27):
I'm trying to break it up, like push people away?

Speaker 2 (02:40:30):
What did you do to break it up?

Speaker 11 (02:40:31):
What did your favoritely do.

Speaker 5 (02:40:33):
I was trying to like push like people with like
my hands, So you.

Speaker 17 (02:40:36):
Had hands on people?

Speaker 11 (02:40:37):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:40:39):
And how close were you to the fight when you
observed the defendant head butt Ryan?

Speaker 6 (02:40:47):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (02:40:48):
And did you recalls drawn after he head butted?

Speaker 17 (02:40:54):
What occurred after that?

Speaker 10 (02:40:56):
Then?

Speaker 5 (02:40:56):
The fight pretty much subsided?

Speaker 9 (02:41:00):
After the fight had ended, the fair to say that
the party kind of dissipated at that point, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:41:07):
And how did the party dissipate?

Speaker 10 (02:41:09):
People were just starting to be kicked out, basically who
kicked them out? I think the parents, I'm not completely sure.

Speaker 1 (02:41:16):
As you were leaving the withdrawn, did you leave the
party at that point?

Speaker 11 (02:41:19):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:41:20):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:41:20):
And how did you How did you leave?

Speaker 5 (02:41:23):
I left in a jeep that my friend was driving.

Speaker 17 (02:41:26):
Okay, So you had indicated earlier that you had driven
to the party.

Speaker 1 (02:41:28):
Did you leave your car?

Speaker 12 (02:41:29):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:41:30):
Okay. Why did you go in the jeep of your friends?

Speaker 10 (02:41:32):
We were taking Brian away, Brian and Griffin away to
wherever they.

Speaker 4 (02:41:37):
Needed to go.

Speaker 17 (02:41:38):
Did you have an opportunity to observe the any injuries
on Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (02:41:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:41:42):
Okay? And what did you observe on him?

Speaker 5 (02:41:44):
His mouth was bleeding and his nose was bleeding.

Speaker 1 (02:41:48):
And where well with drawn? Whose jeep was it that
you got into?

Speaker 5 (02:41:55):
I believe that it was my friend Aisy's, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:41:58):
And where did Eusy go to after you left the party.

Speaker 5 (02:42:03):
After she was driving us?

Speaker 10 (02:42:04):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (02:42:05):
I think we went back to my house after the
night was over.

Speaker 17 (02:42:08):
Did she drop off Ryan, yes?

Speaker 4 (02:42:10):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (02:42:10):
Do you recall where she dropped them off?

Speaker 5 (02:42:12):
I do not remember?

Speaker 17 (02:42:13):
And was it just you Ryan, Griffin and Izzy in
the vehicle? Were there other individuals?

Speaker 5 (02:42:17):
And there were other people?

Speaker 1 (02:42:20):
And I approached counsel your honor? Yes, thank you. It's
fifty nine, Yes, okay, thank you? Any objection, Attorney Smith?

Speaker 14 (02:42:30):
Uh, I'd like to see the foundation.

Speaker 9 (02:42:34):
All right, Emily, I'm showing you what's in mark to
say fifty nine for I think her Christmas only.

Speaker 5 (02:42:39):
Do you recognize this photograph?

Speaker 4 (02:42:41):
Yes? Okay?

Speaker 5 (02:42:42):
And what do you recognize that photograph? Ass It was
a picture that we took on top of the cheap Okay?
You recall took this photograph?

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
It was me, it was you and was a selfie?

Speaker 11 (02:42:51):
Yes okay?

Speaker 9 (02:42:52):
And was this photograph taken after the fight had broken
up and before you left the party?

Speaker 11 (02:42:58):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:42:58):
Easy to drive yes, this was still on Lazy Brook Street.

Speaker 9 (02:43:02):
Okay, does this picture fairly and actually depict how you
all were situated as you were leaving the party that night?

Speaker 6 (02:43:09):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:43:10):
Is there anything different in this photograph that you can
point out that was different at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:43:15):
Of not that I can see, the attorney Smith? Oh, yes,
all right, Colurl accept in evidence states fifty nine is full.
Thank you, Emily. I'm showing you stay fifty nine, which is.

Speaker 6 (02:43:26):
Now a full bit of it.

Speaker 2 (02:43:28):
Emily, do you recognize these individuals in this photograph?

Speaker 4 (02:43:31):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (02:43:32):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:43:32):
And this individual right here who's that?

Speaker 5 (02:43:35):
That's me?

Speaker 2 (02:43:37):
And the individual back here who's this?

Speaker 4 (02:43:39):
That's right right?

Speaker 2 (02:43:40):
And the individual back here who's that?

Speaker 5 (02:43:42):
That's Griffin?

Speaker 6 (02:43:43):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:43:43):
And the person who drove the jeep? Izzy?

Speaker 1 (02:43:46):
Where is she in the photograph?

Speaker 5 (02:43:47):
The far left are left so over here even more
like near the bottom left of the picture.

Speaker 6 (02:43:55):
Yes, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:43:58):
And how soon after you do photographed.

Speaker 11 (02:44:00):
Did you leave the party?

Speaker 5 (02:44:03):
I believe right away, but I can't be sure, okay.

Speaker 9 (02:44:07):
And other than what you're testified here to today, is
there anything else that you can recall from that party
regarding the fight that broke up at five Place?

Speaker 7 (02:44:18):
You work.

Speaker 1 (02:44:19):
No, I cannot thank you had no for the questions? Okay,
thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:44:23):
For Trina Smith, Thank you you good afternoon. How are
you miss Robinson? So I just want to ask you
a few questions and let's start where we ended. Is
it at number fifty nine? That's turned around?

Speaker 9 (02:44:49):
There we go?

Speaker 14 (02:44:50):
Okay? You have described yourself as being in the bottom
right hand corner correct?

Speaker 4 (02:44:55):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:44:55):
And in your hand is this one of those hard
seltzers you described?

Speaker 4 (02:44:58):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:44:59):
Does that also seen in your hand when you are
trying to break up the fight?

Speaker 6 (02:45:03):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:45:04):
And who is this person that is directly behind you
wearing the green shirt and putting her tongue out made made?

Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:45:13):
Does she go to Saint Joseph? She did that?

Speaker 7 (02:45:16):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:45:17):
And you said behind mathe is Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (02:45:20):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (02:45:21):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:45:21):
And who is directly to Ryan Hines's right wearing a
blue hat?

Speaker 6 (02:45:27):
Casey Casey?

Speaker 14 (02:45:29):
Is that also a Saint jose or was that a
Saint Joseph's? And Casey is she holding a beer?

Speaker 4 (02:45:35):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:45:37):
Behind Casey?

Speaker 4 (02:45:39):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (02:45:39):
Is that Griffin Marsins Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:45:42):
Did you know Gryffin Marsinsic prior to this?

Speaker 14 (02:45:45):
Did you know Ryan Hines? Pri and right beside Casey
in a white top with longer hair.

Speaker 6 (02:45:53):
Who is that?

Speaker 14 (02:45:55):
And directly in front of Katie and Casey thinking of
based of some sort, who is that Grace? Grace also
Saint Jose time and then this person directly beside her.

Speaker 11 (02:46:11):
You described that as being the driver, correct.

Speaker 14 (02:46:13):
Yes, that's easy.

Speaker 6 (02:46:14):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (02:46:15):
And Izzy was also a student of Saint Jose that time. Yes,
we're all of those folks drinking during the course of
the party, not not Izzy because Izzy's driving. Yes, you
at least didn't see Izzy drinking. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (02:46:32):
No, she did.

Speaker 5 (02:46:33):
She was known to not drink.

Speaker 14 (02:46:35):
Okay, So you didn't see her drink that night? Yes, okay.
And you described the fight that broke out and you
said that the defendant punched Ryan Hines from behind. Correct.
You watched that video with us there of the fight

(02:46:57):
that Ms Monar recorded, And did that capture the initial
breakout of the fight.

Speaker 5 (02:47:05):
Yes, that was the start of it.

Speaker 14 (02:47:06):
It didn't capture, however, mister Snyder and mister Hines having
a discussion about fighting for the beer right. Yes, because
there was a point where mister Snyder asked Ryan if
he wanted to fight for the beer right. Yes, but
we don't see that on that video, is up? Fair
to say, but we do see them squaring up, and

(02:47:27):
then we see mister Hines backing up a little bit right, Yes,
and he backs up into mister Valley right.

Speaker 5 (02:47:33):
I would say, I can't. I can't tell from the video.

Speaker 14 (02:47:36):
You weren't paying attention to that when it happened.

Speaker 4 (02:47:39):
I guess.

Speaker 14 (02:47:39):
No, What were you focused on when the fight broke out?

Speaker 5 (02:47:42):
I was just watching it all go down.

Speaker 14 (02:47:46):
You didn't know mister Hines at that point?

Speaker 11 (02:47:48):
No, I did not.

Speaker 14 (02:47:49):
Would you say you were more focused on the Saint
Joe's kids that you did know, or on the kids
that you didn't know.

Speaker 5 (02:47:55):
I wasn't focused on one in particular.

Speaker 6 (02:48:00):
And you.

Speaker 14 (02:48:04):
Watch that video with us, and you tried to break
it up, and you saw yourself in that video? Correct? Yes,
you're holding on to that seltzer that you've got in
the picture later. Yes, And the fight sort of tumbles
forward right, yes, behind a vehicle that's there. Yes, that
wasn't the jeep that you've described as driving away in
Who do you know whose vehicle that was?

Speaker 10 (02:48:23):
That was my car?

Speaker 14 (02:48:24):
That was your car that we see them go behind. Yes, Okay,
were you worried about your car getting damaged at all
in the course of this fight. How close were they
to your car? Were they bumping up against it?

Speaker 5 (02:48:35):
I couldn't. I can't remember. I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (02:48:37):
Okay, at some point you said you got actually into
the fight close enough that you were touching some of
these people.

Speaker 4 (02:48:46):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (02:48:47):
How many people were involved at that point?

Speaker 5 (02:48:50):
I can't remember exactly like the exact amount.

Speaker 14 (02:48:53):
Were you the only person that was trying to break
it up?

Speaker 5 (02:48:55):
I believe so.

Speaker 14 (02:48:56):
There weren't any other people that were involved trying to
break up the fight.

Speaker 5 (02:49:00):
I can't remember.

Speaker 14 (02:49:01):
You don't recall mister Valley taking off the helmet? Correct?

Speaker 9 (02:49:05):
No, I do not.

Speaker 14 (02:49:08):
Involved in this fight. There were at least mister Valley,
mister Snyder, yes, mister de Silva, mister Hines, Yes, you
yourself were involved as far as getting over there and
putting hands and trying to break it up. You think
it was just the five of you, That's all I
can really remember. Where was mister Marsinsic at this time?

Speaker 12 (02:49:29):
I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:49:30):
Do you know where any of these other people were
that were in the jeep with you?

Speaker 6 (02:49:34):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:49:34):
I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:49:35):
It was chaotic correct. Yes, you were focused on trying
to break up the fight. Is that fair to say
you've described not seeing mister Valley take off the helmet? Correct?
But you say that he headbutted mister Hines, correct, and

(02:49:55):
that he dive bombed him with his head correct.

Speaker 4 (02:49:59):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (02:50:01):
Could you see what was at mister Valley's feet at
that point?

Speaker 1 (02:50:06):
I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:50:07):
Could you tell whether or not he tripped? Could you
see if anybody laid their hands on him and pulled him? No,
you weren't focused on that, right Whose hands? Who were
you touching with your hands when you were trying to
pull somebody apart?

Speaker 5 (02:50:21):
I believe it was Tyler's.

Speaker 14 (02:50:25):
Have you ever been involved in a fight before?

Speaker 6 (02:50:27):
No?

Speaker 14 (02:50:29):
Was it scary?

Speaker 4 (02:50:30):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:50:33):
Was it dark a little?

Speaker 5 (02:50:35):
But there was lights from the garage?

Speaker 14 (02:50:39):
Was it as light as it appears in the video
that's been lightened?

Speaker 6 (02:50:42):
I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:50:44):
To your recollection, which of those more accurately reflects what
you recalled the lightened video or the darker video? I
would say the lightened the lightened video is more what
you were called. When did you first learn about the
video that in this moment?

Speaker 4 (02:51:00):
Too? I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:51:03):
Did she show it to you now who showed it
to you?

Speaker 5 (02:51:06):
I think it was on like my like on a
story on my phone.

Speaker 14 (02:51:11):
Was on a story on your phone?

Speaker 4 (02:51:13):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:51:15):
Can you educate me a little bit when you say
on a story, what do you mean like snapchat?

Speaker 5 (02:51:20):
Like someone posted it on their story on Snapchat?

Speaker 14 (02:51:24):
All right, I'm going to show my age yet again.
On your Snapchat you posted a story. Can you describe
for me what that is? If I'm somebody who doesn't know.

Speaker 10 (02:51:33):
Someone else had taken a video and posted it so
that other people who that who.

Speaker 5 (02:51:40):
They have chosen could see it.

Speaker 14 (02:51:42):
Do you remember who that was?

Speaker 5 (02:51:43):
I would believe it's Bella, but I can't remember.

Speaker 14 (02:51:46):
So Bella posted that video on her story on her
Instagram Snapchat.

Speaker 4 (02:51:52):
I believe it was Bella Snapchat?

Speaker 14 (02:51:57):
Okay? Snapchat? Is that the app that allows you to
message but the messages disappear?

Speaker 4 (02:52:07):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:52:08):
So how were you able to view this on her Snapchat?

Speaker 10 (02:52:12):
She posted it so that other people could see it,
and then you you can watch it for like a
certain amount of time, It's like twenty four hours, and
then it goes away.

Speaker 14 (02:52:23):
And how soon after the fight do you recall her
posting that? I did not recall same day.

Speaker 6 (02:52:30):
I believe so bad. I don't remember.

Speaker 14 (02:52:35):
So you had seen this video prior to speaking with
officers on May twenty six? Yes, did you tell them
about the existence of the video?

Speaker 5 (02:52:44):
I do not remember.

Speaker 14 (02:52:45):
Did you tell these officers about drinking that had been
going on at the party?

Speaker 4 (02:52:49):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:52:51):
Nothing further, Thank.

Speaker 12 (02:52:51):
You oh much.

Speaker 9 (02:52:54):
Turning the scenes, Emily Counsel just asked you one class
examination if you had seen anyone trip lead out? Do
you recall seeing that at all? Do you recall seeing
anyone and push lead out? And what I mean by
that is when he headbutted Ryan. Was there anything at
all other than him lowering his head and putting it

(02:53:15):
on Ryan that you observed. No, there's no one else around.
You didn't see anything else other than.

Speaker 5 (02:53:22):
What you just testify to.

Speaker 1 (02:53:24):
Thank you. I've no other question, Attorney Smith.

Speaker 14 (02:53:28):
You just told us that you didn't see anyone trip
or push the defendant.

Speaker 4 (02:53:32):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (02:53:32):
Yes, you told us that night you were had your
hands on mister de Silva.

Speaker 4 (02:53:40):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (02:53:41):
Was your focus on what mister Valley was doing at
that point?

Speaker 5 (02:53:46):
There was more on the whole fight itself.

Speaker 14 (02:53:49):
How many times have you seen that video that we've just.

Speaker 5 (02:53:52):
Watched a handful of times. Maybe, I'm not sure the
exact amount.

Speaker 14 (02:54:00):
And what effect do you think watching that video ten
times has had on your recollection?

Speaker 5 (02:54:05):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (02:54:06):
Are you able to tell what you recall from that
night versus what you recall from having watched that video
ten times? Yes, and you can distinguish those two things
here for us? Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:54:21):
Anything ross, you may dip the witness box. Thank you,
Please watch your stunt. Is the state prepared to call
it's next witness?

Speaker 6 (02:54:33):
Yes, called Tanna Chronowski to the stand.

Speaker 1 (02:54:36):
Thank you, counsel. When you remove the two exhibits from
the what you stand and tell? You said? Thank yous?

Speaker 12 (02:54:47):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (02:54:51):
So you're going to step into the witness box and
just remain standing. Madame Clark to my right is going
to put you under oath. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:54:58):
Here's your right man.

Speaker 3 (02:55:00):
Do you solemnly swear or solemnly and sincerely affirm as
the case, maybe that the evidence shall give sorry this.

Speaker 5 (02:55:06):
Space, so you got or something else?

Speaker 1 (02:55:11):
You can see your.

Speaker 11 (02:55:19):
Siege RSK what.

Speaker 4 (02:55:25):
Division?

Speaker 10 (02:55:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (02:55:28):
All right? You may be seated.

Speaker 4 (02:55:29):
Thank you, Good afternoon. Tanner. Can you do me a favor?

Speaker 6 (02:55:35):
Keep your voice up you're a lot tore, soft spoken.

Speaker 4 (02:55:37):
Okay, Okay Tanner. How old are you currently? I'm twenty
one years old. And are you currently in school?

Speaker 10 (02:55:47):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:55:47):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:55:48):
Are you working? Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:55:49):
What do you?

Speaker 4 (02:55:49):
What do you do?

Speaker 8 (02:55:50):
I work at Extra Duty Solutions and Showing.

Speaker 6 (02:55:53):
And how long you been doing that for?

Speaker 8 (02:55:57):
Since last October? Over a year now?

Speaker 4 (02:55:59):
And did you go to high school? Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:56:02):
Where did you go to high school?

Speaker 4 (02:56:03):
Shelton High School?

Speaker 6 (02:56:04):
And what year did you graduate?

Speaker 8 (02:56:08):
Twenty twenty one?

Speaker 6 (02:56:10):
And prior to your testimony today, did you and I
meet before?

Speaker 4 (02:56:15):
Yes? How many times did we meet? About? Two or three?
And what did we discuss?

Speaker 12 (02:56:22):
Just about the case? And I would have to come
and testify.

Speaker 6 (02:56:26):
And I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 4 (02:56:33):
I was eighteen years old.

Speaker 6 (02:56:35):
And were you in school at that point at that point?

Speaker 4 (02:56:38):
Nope? I just graduated.

Speaker 6 (02:56:39):
You you are Did you graduate the year before and
twenty one?

Speaker 4 (02:56:43):
Yes, the year before.

Speaker 6 (02:56:44):
And I want to direct your attention to later on
that night. Okay, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen
of the jury what you were doing early? I would
rephrase it as earlier that night.

Speaker 12 (02:56:59):
So earlier that night, I was at my brother's house
and he was having a little bit of a get together,
and then I received the call.

Speaker 8 (02:57:08):
To give Ryan and Griffin a ride to another party.

Speaker 6 (02:57:13):
So what time would you say you were at your
brother's house.

Speaker 4 (02:57:16):
I do not recall exactly what time, but earlier in
the night.

Speaker 6 (02:57:20):
And when you were at your brother's house were you
drinking any alcohol at that point?

Speaker 4 (02:57:24):
Not prior?

Speaker 6 (02:57:26):
And at some point you say you left to go
give Ryan and Griffin a ride?

Speaker 4 (02:57:30):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:57:30):
And where did you give them a ride?

Speaker 12 (02:57:32):
I give them a ride to Lazybrook, which I found
out later was the Lifeless.

Speaker 4 (02:57:37):
House, so Lazybrook Road.

Speaker 2 (02:57:39):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (02:57:39):
And when you gave them a ride to Lazybrook Road,
where did you go pick them up?

Speaker 4 (02:57:42):
First? From Natalia rid success.

Speaker 6 (02:57:46):
Italian Rid And you brought them from Natali Ridsi's house
to Lazybrook? Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:57:52):
And when you got to Lazybrook what time of night
would you say? It was.

Speaker 12 (02:57:57):
A little later in the night, relatively around kind of
shook clock, okay?

Speaker 4 (02:58:02):
And when you got to Lazybrook, Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:58:06):
Do you recall whether or not Griffin and or Ryan
had anything with them at that moment?

Speaker 14 (02:58:12):
I do not.

Speaker 8 (02:58:12):
I didn't really examine them upon them getting in my car, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:58:16):
And when they at some point in time you got
to Lazybrook And did they get out of the car.

Speaker 4 (02:58:21):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:58:21):
And did you park the car and get.

Speaker 4 (02:58:23):
Out as well?

Speaker 6 (02:58:24):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:58:24):
What did you do once they got out of the
car and shut the doors? I went back to my
brother's house.

Speaker 6 (02:58:29):
And when you got back to your brother's house, what
were you doing when you got back to your brother's house.

Speaker 8 (02:58:34):
Once I got back to my brother's house, I had
a couple of drinks.

Speaker 6 (02:58:37):
And what kind of drinks were you having?

Speaker 8 (02:58:39):
I do not recall exactly, but Seltzer's.

Speaker 6 (02:58:42):
How long would you say you were you at you
were at your brother's house, for.

Speaker 8 (02:58:47):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:58:50):
Come a time when you were at your brother's house.
We were made aware of.

Speaker 6 (02:58:55):
An incident that happened at Lasyerbrook concerning Griffin and Ryan. Yes.
And when you've on that out, what if anything did
you do with regards to uh withdrawn? Did you try
to communicate or call Griffin and Ryan?

Speaker 12 (02:59:10):
So I answered Ryan's call, which you inform me of
an incident that happened without telling.

Speaker 4 (02:59:16):
Us what you said.

Speaker 1 (02:59:17):
Hold on a minute, Let me. Just let me just
deal with the objection. Okay, I'm just going to stop you.
So I'll sustain the objection to the extent it was hearsay.
I will go ahead, and everything from after Yes, I
received a call to what Ryan said will be stricken
from the evidence. I'm instructing the jury to disregard it.
You'll get a final instruction at the end of this
case during your jury charge to further explain stricken evidence

(02:59:40):
and how that applies to your deliberations. Okay, so I'll
allow you to continue.

Speaker 4 (02:59:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:59:46):
Yes, me, the witness just be in re minded to
keep his voice up.

Speaker 6 (02:59:49):
It's hard to hear here with family.

Speaker 1 (02:59:50):
Yes, certainly. Okay, So I am going to ask you
the microphone does not such a great job in terms
of amplifyment if you can speak into it and just
remember to try to keep your voice of it and
also direct your answers to the jury. Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (03:00:03):
So, at some point in time, when you're at your
brother's house, you received a phone call from Ryan Hines,
and based on your discussion, you were made aware of
an incident that happened at Lazier. Yes, and when that happened,
what if anything did you do?

Speaker 4 (03:00:18):
I then.

Speaker 8 (03:00:20):
Was concerned, made sure he was okay, but I was
informed that.

Speaker 4 (03:00:24):
He without telling us what was said? Can you rephrase
one with so, when.

Speaker 6 (03:00:30):
You had this conversation with Ryan, did you at some
point leave your brother's house?

Speaker 4 (03:00:37):
Yes? Okay? And did you drive from your brother's house?

Speaker 6 (03:00:40):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:00:40):
I did not. Why didn't you drive from your brothers?

Speaker 12 (03:00:42):
Because I started drinking? So I asked a friend for
a ride. And who did you ask for a ride?

Speaker 8 (03:00:48):
Alex Bernston?

Speaker 6 (03:00:49):
Alex Bernston? How do you know Alex Bernston?

Speaker 8 (03:00:54):
We met through mutual friends, but we have grew close
over the years.

Speaker 6 (03:00:58):
And when Alex Bernstein picked you up? Where did he
take you to?

Speaker 4 (03:01:03):
Tyler Richard's house?

Speaker 6 (03:01:04):
And just the first five I'm gonna show you States five.

Speaker 11 (03:01:13):
Already been made a full exhibit. Uh you recognize Stays five.

Speaker 8 (03:01:18):
Yes, that's Tyler Richard's house.

Speaker 6 (03:01:21):
Is this the house that Alex Bernston brought you to
on May fourteenth to twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (03:01:27):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:01:28):
Did you go there after you had the conversation with
Ryan Hines on the phone?

Speaker 4 (03:01:32):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:01:33):
Why did you?

Speaker 4 (03:01:33):
Why did you go there?

Speaker 8 (03:01:35):
He in for me, that's where he was doing.

Speaker 6 (03:01:37):
Without what he said, were you going there to meet anybody?

Speaker 4 (03:01:41):
I was going there to meet Ryan hints.

Speaker 6 (03:01:43):
Okay, so you had information that Ryan was going to
be at forty three loyal Glenn and you went there
to meet him? Yes? Why would you go there to
meet him?

Speaker 4 (03:01:52):
Did you was there? Did you have any concern?

Speaker 12 (03:01:56):
I was concerned for him, so I went there to
check comm.

Speaker 6 (03:02:01):
Now when you got there, how many people would you say?
We're at forty three Laurel Blennet death at that point
in time.

Speaker 8 (03:02:09):
I do not recall exactly because I did not go inside.

Speaker 6 (03:02:13):
Now are you familiar with uh? Let me have one
show your state's exhibit fifty four.

Speaker 11 (03:02:23):
Do you recognize states fifty four?

Speaker 4 (03:02:25):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:02:26):
Who is that person?

Speaker 12 (03:02:27):
It's faisonai On Tiale.

Speaker 4 (03:02:30):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (03:02:30):
How do you know Faison Tiale?

Speaker 12 (03:02:32):
We grew up together going to the Boys and Girls Club.

Speaker 11 (03:02:34):
Do you recall while or not faise on Teal?

Speaker 6 (03:02:36):
Was that Tyler Rich's house on May fourteenth to twenty
twenty two?

Speaker 4 (03:02:39):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:02:41):
Showing your state's exhibit fifty five, you recognize fifty five?

Speaker 4 (03:02:49):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:02:50):
And who is that in the picture?

Speaker 8 (03:02:51):
It's Thomas Connery.

Speaker 4 (03:02:54):
All right, Tommy Connery, yep.

Speaker 11 (03:02:57):
How do you know Tommy Connory.

Speaker 12 (03:03:00):
We grew up together as well. We were on the
same sports teams in the same grade growing up.

Speaker 6 (03:03:04):
Do you know whether or not.

Speaker 11 (03:03:05):
Tommy Connery was at Tyler Rich's house on May fourteen?

Speaker 4 (03:03:09):
Yes, he was, John your State's fifty six?

Speaker 11 (03:03:14):
Recognize fifty six?

Speaker 4 (03:03:16):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:03:16):
And who is this in the picture of fifty six?

Speaker 8 (03:03:19):
Ryan Hines?

Speaker 11 (03:03:20):
And just indicated Ryan Hines? Was that Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 8 (03:03:26):
Yes, you went there to meet Yes.

Speaker 11 (03:03:28):
Finally, State's fifty seven? Do you recognize State's fifty seven?

Speaker 4 (03:03:33):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:03:34):
Who is that a picture of That's Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (03:03:37):
And how do you know Jimmy McGrath?

Speaker 8 (03:03:39):
We have mutual a lot of mutual friends.

Speaker 6 (03:03:42):
And was he present at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Speaker 4 (03:03:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:03:48):
Now you say, when you got to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 4 (03:03:51):
At that point in time?

Speaker 6 (03:03:52):
What time do you think he got there?

Speaker 12 (03:03:53):
If you could recall, I do not recall exactly. It
was starting to get a little later the night.

Speaker 6 (03:04:01):
Now I'm gonna ask you, are you familiar with an
individual by the name of Enrico Fiola?

Speaker 4 (03:04:06):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:04:06):
Does he also go by a different name he goes
by Ricky, goes by Ricky? How do you know Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 4 (03:04:11):
We are good friends.

Speaker 6 (03:04:12):
And do you know whether or not he was president
Tyler Rich's house that night?

Speaker 14 (03:04:17):
He was?

Speaker 6 (03:04:18):
And are you familiar with Sal Perry?

Speaker 4 (03:04:20):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:04:20):
How are you familiar with Sal Perry?

Speaker 8 (03:04:22):
We're friends as well.

Speaker 6 (03:04:23):
And do you know whether or not mister.

Speaker 4 (03:04:25):
Perry was at Tyler Richard's house that night? Yes he was.

Speaker 6 (03:04:28):
And how about Mike Sanpierry yep.

Speaker 4 (03:04:31):
How do you know Mike Sampierry? We are friends.

Speaker 6 (03:04:34):
And was he president at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Speaker 4 (03:04:36):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (03:04:36):
He was?

Speaker 4 (03:04:37):
And Alex Burnston was with you? Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:04:40):
And how about Charlie Connery? Do you know Charlie Connery?

Speaker 4 (03:04:43):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:04:43):
How do you know Charlie?

Speaker 12 (03:04:45):
I grew up with his brother Tommy playing sports, so
I was always around him growing up.

Speaker 6 (03:04:50):
Do you know whether or not Charlie was at Tyler
Richard's house? Yes, he was. How about Jacob Villa Lobos?

Speaker 4 (03:04:57):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:04:57):
How do you know Jacob Villa Lobos?

Speaker 4 (03:04:59):
He was on the same football team that's me growing up.

Speaker 6 (03:05:01):
And do you know whether or not Jake Villa Lobos
was at Tyler Rich's house that night?

Speaker 4 (03:05:06):
Yes he was?

Speaker 6 (03:05:07):
And how do you know Tyler rich.

Speaker 8 (03:05:11):
We're in the same friend group.

Speaker 6 (03:05:13):
And how about Matt Lakovich. You know Matt Lakovich?

Speaker 4 (03:05:15):
Yes, how do you know him?

Speaker 8 (03:05:17):
We are also in the same friend group.

Speaker 6 (03:05:19):
And was Matt Lakovich at Tyler Rich's house that night? Yes?

Speaker 10 (03:05:22):
He was.

Speaker 6 (03:05:25):
Now, when you got to forty three, loyal Glenn, uh,
tell us how long you were there for?

Speaker 4 (03:05:33):
Just about.

Speaker 12 (03:05:35):
I would say around twenty minutes.

Speaker 6 (03:05:39):
And when you say you were there for twenty minutes,
when you were there, what.

Speaker 4 (03:05:43):
Were you doing?

Speaker 8 (03:05:44):
I was outside talking to Ryan.

Speaker 4 (03:05:48):
You know, show you State's fifty.

Speaker 6 (03:05:54):
Can you indicate on where at stage fifty?

Speaker 4 (03:05:59):
Well?

Speaker 6 (03:05:59):
Yeah, do you recognize States fifty?

Speaker 8 (03:06:01):
Yes, that's Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 6 (03:06:04):
And when you got to Tyler Rich's house, do you
do you know whether or not this is a more
recent picture?

Speaker 14 (03:06:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (03:06:12):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:06:14):
Do you know where you were when you first got
to Tyler Rich's house if you can point it out
in this picture.

Speaker 12 (03:06:21):
I was on the right side towards where the picture
cuts off.

Speaker 11 (03:06:28):
Okay, so maybe you're this red bush.

Speaker 12 (03:06:29):
Here, yep, relatively right by the red bush.

Speaker 6 (03:06:32):
Okay, so it may the record reflect I'm pointing to
the red bush to the right side of this exhibit
your runner.

Speaker 1 (03:06:39):
All right, So Cordal note for the record, you're pointing
to the red bush to the furthest right of the photo.

Speaker 7 (03:06:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (03:06:44):
And when you got there that night?

Speaker 6 (03:06:47):
What time is it about?

Speaker 8 (03:06:50):
I do not recall exactly, but it was later in
the night.

Speaker 6 (03:06:53):
And what was the lighting conditions out when you got there?

Speaker 8 (03:06:57):
It was relatively dark but not pitch black outside?

Speaker 6 (03:07:01):
Were you able to recognize people that you that you
knew there?

Speaker 4 (03:07:06):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:07:07):
Could you see in front of you?

Speaker 4 (03:07:10):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:07:10):
Was there any light from the house being admitted.

Speaker 4 (03:07:15):
In the front yard in any way?

Speaker 8 (03:07:17):
I do not recall, okay.

Speaker 6 (03:07:19):
And when you got there, who did you who did
you meet when you got to Tyler Richard's house?

Speaker 8 (03:07:24):
I met Ryan Hines along with.

Speaker 12 (03:07:26):
Tyler rich was outside. Griffin Marsonsick was also outside.

Speaker 6 (03:07:30):
And did you have a conversation with them?

Speaker 4 (03:07:33):
Yes? Okay?

Speaker 6 (03:07:34):
And at some point did you ever go inside the house? I?

Speaker 8 (03:07:40):
Did you did?

Speaker 4 (03:07:42):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:07:42):
And how would you enter the house when you went.

Speaker 8 (03:07:45):
Inside through these cellar doors in the backyard?

Speaker 6 (03:07:48):
And where are the cellar doors located?

Speaker 4 (03:07:49):
Can you can you kind of point.

Speaker 11 (03:07:50):
It out for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

Speaker 12 (03:07:54):
They are in the shadow that is made by the house,
but they're not very visible in this picture.

Speaker 18 (03:08:00):
Okay, all right, I'm showing your states Exhibit five. Can
you see on stage five where you would have entered the.

Speaker 11 (03:08:13):
Side of the house.

Speaker 12 (03:08:14):
Yes, right to the side of the metal object that's
sticking out about the ground, so right here, Yes, that's
what I'm pointing.

Speaker 1 (03:08:25):
Yes, coord Ale, allow the records re fly that that's
the area that's been indicated, thank you.

Speaker 6 (03:08:31):
And what is.

Speaker 11 (03:08:31):
Located over here.

Speaker 12 (03:08:34):
To the right of the ac unit There is cellar
doors on.

Speaker 6 (03:08:38):
The floor, and you would go inside the cellar doors. Yes,
And when you went into inside the cellar doors, what
kinds of things were going.

Speaker 4 (03:08:46):
On inside the house?

Speaker 12 (03:08:49):
I went right down the stairs, but I did not
make it fully into the house.

Speaker 6 (03:08:53):
Did you observe what was going on?

Speaker 4 (03:08:56):
No? I did not. Was anybody drinking at the party?

Speaker 12 (03:08:59):
Not to my knowledge because I did not make it
inside the house.

Speaker 6 (03:09:02):
Were you drinking when you got the teyler Rich's house?
So the only alcohol that you had up until this
point was.

Speaker 4 (03:09:09):
The couple of seltzers that you had at your brother's house.

Speaker 6 (03:09:12):
Yes, you know, at some point in time you were
standing in the in the in the cellar door stairway area.

Speaker 4 (03:09:22):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:09:23):
And at some point in time did you leave that
area to go back outside?

Speaker 4 (03:09:29):
Yes? I did? And why did you do that?

Speaker 12 (03:09:31):
I was standing at these cellar doors and then I
heard yelling that they were back, and that's when I
made my way back to the front.

Speaker 14 (03:09:40):
Sorry, what do I have?

Speaker 4 (03:09:43):
I'm sorry? Can you repeat that?

Speaker 12 (03:09:45):
I was standing at the cellar doors and then I
heard yelling that they were back, and that's.

Speaker 8 (03:09:50):
When I made my way through the front.

Speaker 6 (03:09:52):
Now, and at some point in time a car arrived at.

Speaker 4 (03:09:58):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 6 (03:10:00):
And do you know what kind of car?

Speaker 4 (03:10:01):
Was a dark colored Honda Pilot.

Speaker 6 (03:10:05):
And when the Honda Pilot arrived at Tyler Rich's house,
did you walk out.

Speaker 4 (03:10:14):
And see who it was?

Speaker 8 (03:10:15):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:10:16):
Okay. Who was with you when you did that?

Speaker 12 (03:10:19):
I do not recall exactly, but Griffin Marsinzick, Ryan Hines
and Tyler Rich were next to me.

Speaker 6 (03:10:28):
And can you tell us on this exhibit here, the
state's exhibit when the car arrived at the house, did
you where did did it park?

Speaker 8 (03:10:40):
It was stopped in the middle of the street.

Speaker 6 (03:10:42):
In the middle of the street where towards the.

Speaker 12 (03:10:46):
Can you tell us on this exhibit yeah, relatively right
in front of the mailbox, in the middle of the road.

Speaker 6 (03:10:52):
And when you when you encountered the pilot, what how
many people were outside the house at this.

Speaker 4 (03:10:59):
Point in time?

Speaker 8 (03:11:00):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 6 (03:11:02):
And was there a number of kids, number of shopping kids,
your your friends?

Speaker 4 (03:11:10):
Yes? And did you all approach the car?

Speaker 8 (03:11:13):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:11:13):
And what if anything can you tell us happened when
you guys approached the car.

Speaker 12 (03:11:17):
We approached the car, and there was a little bit
of arguing with us outside of the car and individuals
inside of the car.

Speaker 4 (03:11:24):
Did you notice anybody in the car that was familiar
to you?

Speaker 6 (03:11:29):
Not at the time enough could you tell us how
many people you saw in the car?

Speaker 8 (03:11:36):
About four or five?

Speaker 6 (03:11:38):
And at some point in time during this argument arguing
back and forth, what if anything happened during that alter
that that.

Speaker 12 (03:11:47):
Interaction there was arguing back and forth? And then it
was what appeared to be a glass bottle thrown out
of the car.

Speaker 4 (03:11:54):
And what side of the car was it thrown?

Speaker 8 (03:11:57):
Yes, towards the house of the driver's side.

Speaker 11 (03:12:01):
So I'm gonna show you it's Exhibit thirty.

Speaker 6 (03:12:04):
Is this the car that you saw that night?

Speaker 4 (03:12:06):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:12:07):
And when the car arrived on Laurel Land. Was it
facing towards a farmhouse or towards Adams.

Speaker 8 (03:12:17):
When it arrived it was facing towards farmhouse.

Speaker 11 (03:12:21):
And you said somebody threw a bottle up out of
the car.

Speaker 4 (03:12:25):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (03:12:26):
And it was a glass bottle or was it a
pot plastic bottle?

Speaker 8 (03:12:30):
It was a glass bottle.

Speaker 6 (03:12:31):
And when the bottle was thrown did that come from
the driver's side, the rear passenger side or from the
opposite side of the vehicle.

Speaker 8 (03:12:40):
Driver's side?

Speaker 6 (03:12:42):
And when the bottle was thrown, what if anything happened
next between the individuals in the car and your friends
there was arguing and they.

Speaker 4 (03:12:51):
Sped off.

Speaker 6 (03:12:54):
At some point in time. Did do you recall whether
or not anybody else threw things from the car or
anybody from your friends threw things out the car?

Speaker 4 (03:13:06):
I do not recall when the car sped off. What
did you do next?

Speaker 12 (03:13:10):
I was walking back towards the cellar doors in the
backyard because Tyler said for everybody to get back inside, okay.

Speaker 4 (03:13:18):
And when you.

Speaker 6 (03:13:22):
When you went back towards the cellar doors, did you
hang out for a little bit?

Speaker 4 (03:13:26):
Yes. And when you were hanging out, were you drinking
any alcohol.

Speaker 10 (03:13:30):
No.

Speaker 6 (03:13:32):
And at some point in time did you did you
exit the house again?

Speaker 4 (03:13:38):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:13:38):
Why did you exit the house?

Speaker 8 (03:13:40):
I heard yelling that they were back.

Speaker 6 (03:13:42):
And when you heard when you heard yelling that they
were back, tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury how
you exited the house is what we did.

Speaker 12 (03:13:52):
I exited through the cellar doors in the back, and
I went through the clearing in between the house and
the tree line. And once I made my way to
the front yard, there was lights on. So I started
a Snapchat video and that's there was already a fight started.

Speaker 6 (03:14:08):
I'm gonna show you what in mark the States, Exhibit
fifty two. So once you came out of the Bilco doors,
can you show the ladies and gentlemen, I'm fifty two
where you walked to when you heard that they were back.

Speaker 4 (03:14:24):
I can't stand up for Yeah.

Speaker 12 (03:14:28):
I looked through a clearing through here and towards the
front with my back against the drug way.

Speaker 6 (03:14:35):
So you were in this area here, this grassy area here, Yes, And.

Speaker 11 (03:14:39):
When you made your way over.

Speaker 6 (03:14:42):
With drawn when you were making your way over, had
a fight had already started? Or was there just art?
There was already a fight? Started, okay, and when the
fight started, tell a days and gentlemen the jury, what
you observed.

Speaker 12 (03:14:57):
I observed a chaotic scene and a fight in the
middle of the grass, and there was flashlights around.

Speaker 8 (03:15:04):
Therefore I started a.

Speaker 4 (03:15:05):
Video now the fight that you observed. Can you show
on stage fifty two where the fight was occurring. Yes,
it was right in the middle of the grass out here.

Speaker 6 (03:15:18):
And when you walk down to the area between the
square cement thing there and we'll say between the mailbox
and that, that's the area you were in. And some god,
I was right about by the concrete slab right here.
And at some point in time the fight had already started,

(03:15:39):
and you indicated that you did what.

Speaker 4 (03:15:42):
I then sort of a snapchat video.

Speaker 6 (03:15:44):
And can you explain what a snapchat video is?

Speaker 12 (03:15:47):
Yes, a snapchat video is a social media app. And
to start a video or take a picture, there's a
little white circle at the bottom of your screen. So
to take a video, you just hold down on the
white button and if your fingers slips off that button,
then the video will stop. Or to zoom in and out,
you could go up and down. Anything you do to

(03:16:07):
touch your screen will affect the video.

Speaker 4 (03:16:09):
On the app. Is it possible? Now, how do you
save that video?

Speaker 12 (03:16:14):
There is a button in the bottom left corner to
save a video.

Speaker 6 (03:16:18):
And when you observe the fight going on in this case,
did you video it from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (03:16:25):
Of the fight?

Speaker 12 (03:16:27):
I videoed it from when I walked out of the
cellar doors in the backyard and the fight are already
previously started.

Speaker 6 (03:16:34):
And when you videoed it is the light on your
phone on when you're videoing it.

Speaker 8 (03:16:41):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:16:47):
Approach the winds.

Speaker 6 (03:16:50):
Showing you what's mark the State's exhibit sixty for identification?
Do you recognize state sixty?

Speaker 4 (03:16:54):
Yes? What is State sixty? That's the snapchat video that
I took.

Speaker 6 (03:16:58):
And prior to today testimony, did you have an opportunity
to review view this video that you took?

Speaker 4 (03:17:04):
Yes? And how do you know that this is the
same video that you took? It is the same exects
sam chap video.

Speaker 6 (03:17:09):
I'd sorry and these initials here? Whose initials are those?

Speaker 4 (03:17:12):
And I also put my initials on the paper that
the USB is in.

Speaker 6 (03:17:17):
And with regards to the video, is it does this
USB it contained the original video you took on May fourteenth,
for twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (03:17:26):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 6 (03:17:26):
And does it contain any other videos and connection to
this case?

Speaker 4 (03:17:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:17:30):
It does.

Speaker 6 (03:17:31):
Does it also contain a video that is a lightened
up version of the video you took?

Speaker 4 (03:17:36):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:17:36):
And outside of it being lightened up, did you have
an opportunity to review that video?

Speaker 8 (03:17:41):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:17:42):
And is that video changed in any way from the
original video outside of being lightened up?

Speaker 10 (03:17:47):
It is?

Speaker 6 (03:17:48):
And does this USB also contain a video that is
slowed down with some frame numbers on it? Yes, showing
you it's been marked the State's exhibit sixty one for
identification purposes? You recognize State sixty one?

Speaker 8 (03:18:03):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:18:03):
And what is State sixty one?

Speaker 12 (03:18:05):
It is a screenshot from the Snapchat video that I took.

Speaker 6 (03:18:09):
And does this accurately reflect a screen grab from a
a frame number or a frame in time from that
original video? Yes, showing you State's exhibit sixty two. Do
you recognize State sixty two?

Speaker 4 (03:18:25):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:18:25):
And what is State sixty two?

Speaker 12 (03:18:27):
It is a screenshot, also from the Snapchat video that
I took.

Speaker 6 (03:18:31):
And does this screenshot a different anyway from what you
observed in your video? No, showing you State's exhibit sixty three.
Do you recognize State sixty three?

Speaker 4 (03:18:44):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:18:44):
And what is State sixty three?

Speaker 12 (03:18:46):
A screenshot from the snapchat video?

Speaker 6 (03:18:48):
And again, is this different in anyway from the video
that you took no showing you State sixty four? Do
you recognize State sixty four?

Speaker 4 (03:18:58):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:18:58):
And what is State sixty four?

Speaker 12 (03:19:00):
A screenshot from the snap chat video it's took.

Speaker 6 (03:19:02):
Is this different anyway from the video you took no
showing you stayed sixty five? Recognize State sixty five?

Speaker 5 (03:19:10):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:19:10):
What is State sixty five?

Speaker 14 (03:19:12):
It's also a screenshot of.

Speaker 4 (03:19:14):
The slap chat video?

Speaker 19 (03:19:15):
And is this different in any way from what you
reviewed from the video you took on May fourteenth to
twenty twenty six No, State sixty six?

Speaker 6 (03:19:26):
Do you recognize State sixty six?

Speaker 4 (03:19:28):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:19:28):
And what is State sixty six?

Speaker 14 (03:19:29):
A screenshot from my snapchat video?

Speaker 19 (03:19:32):
And is this different from any in any way from
the video that you took on May fourteenth to twenty
twenty SEO.

Speaker 6 (03:19:37):
Now state sixty seven you recognize sixty seven?

Speaker 14 (03:19:42):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:19:43):
And what is State sixty seven?

Speaker 12 (03:19:44):
A screenshot from my snapchat video?

Speaker 6 (03:19:47):
And is this different in any way? This zact really
reflects what the moment in time from that from that
video that you took on May fourteenth to twenty twenty two. Nope,
does it reflect it?

Speaker 4 (03:19:57):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:19:58):
Okay? And uh, state sixty eight recognized? State sixty eight?

Speaker 4 (03:20:04):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (03:20:04):
And what is state sixty eight is screenshot from my
slapchat video?

Speaker 6 (03:20:07):
And again, is this inaccurately? Does this accurately depict a
screen grab from that video?

Speaker 4 (03:20:12):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:20:14):
And finally sixty nine you recognize sixty nine?

Speaker 4 (03:20:17):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:20:17):
And what is state sixty nine?

Speaker 8 (03:20:19):
It's also a screenshot from my slaptavideo.

Speaker 6 (03:20:22):
And does this accurately reflect that moment in time from
that video?

Speaker 8 (03:20:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:20:27):
Without objection, I would offer these this full exhibits.

Speaker 14 (03:20:30):
Let me just quickly look.

Speaker 1 (03:20:31):
At it certainly, of course I don't anticipate it.

Speaker 5 (03:20:34):
Okay, no objection, Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:20:37):
I have no objection, Cortal except in evidence. States sixty
through sixty nine is full.

Speaker 4 (03:20:45):
Now, when you came out to uh.

Speaker 11 (03:20:49):
Do do the fight that had already started and started videoing?
What did you what you were.

Speaker 4 (03:20:53):
Call seeing when the fight was going on?

Speaker 12 (03:20:55):
Once I walked outside, it was a very chaotic scene
in the middle of the yard.

Speaker 6 (03:21:01):
And do you recall seeing anybody who was not your
friends at the fight?

Speaker 8 (03:21:07):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:21:08):
What do you recall seeing?

Speaker 12 (03:21:09):
I recall seeing two individuals from the car previously.

Speaker 4 (03:21:14):
And do you recall what they were wearing?

Speaker 12 (03:21:18):
One of them had on a light blue it appeared
to be a jersey.

Speaker 11 (03:21:24):
And do you call what the other person was?

Speaker 6 (03:21:26):
I do not U prior to prior to that night,
had you seen those individuals before?

Speaker 4 (03:21:34):
No? I had not.

Speaker 6 (03:21:36):
And were you asked to identify any of those individuals
by the police department?

Speaker 4 (03:21:41):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (03:21:41):
I was, and we were able to identify and I
was after reviewing my video. And who were you to
identifying both individuals?

Speaker 4 (03:21:54):
Who are you know where they are? It was Tyler
de Silva and Raoul Valley.

Speaker 11 (03:22:00):
Present court today.

Speaker 4 (03:22:01):
Yes, And what is he wearing?

Speaker 12 (03:22:02):
He's wearing a black and white suit and time, can you.

Speaker 6 (03:22:05):
Please point him out with the jury? Can remember the
records like the witness identified the fend in this case?

Speaker 1 (03:22:10):
All right, So the court is going to note for
the record that the witness identified the defendant. It is
three twenty five. This is a good time to break,
all right, So the court is going to go ahead
and move into our afternoon break. We will take fifteen minutes.
We will be back in fifteen minutes. Thank you so much,
Courts and recess. All good afternoon. You may be seated.

Speaker 7 (03:22:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:22:41):
All right, we'll have the witness come back up into
the witness stand.

Speaker 4 (03:22:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:22:47):
Come on up and take a seat. I am going
to remind you that you do remain obligated to your
oath that you took when you first center the witness box.

Speaker 5 (03:22:55):
Okay, yes, sank, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:22:58):
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen of the jury count so
please stipulate the return of all members of our JURYA
thank you. I'll direct the state to continue.

Speaker 4 (03:23:09):
Thank you, Tanna.

Speaker 6 (03:23:11):
Before we took the break, I was just about to
ask you about the fight itself.

Speaker 4 (03:23:16):
What do you remember?

Speaker 6 (03:23:17):
What do you remember observing about the fight when you
were recording, It.

Speaker 12 (03:23:22):
Was very chaotic, but there was a little skirmish in
the midst of everything. It was really in the center
of everything.

Speaker 6 (03:23:31):
And based on you recording and what you recall about
the fight, can you tell us, based on your recollection
taking us through the fight, what you remember.

Speaker 12 (03:23:45):
I do not remember too much because once I came
out from the back of the house and I went
towards the front, there was already a big crowd, and
the fight was in the middle of the crowd, and
I just started recording.

Speaker 4 (03:24:00):
It was all really a blur.

Speaker 6 (03:24:01):
And when you were recording, do you recall hearing anything
going on.

Speaker 4 (03:24:05):
During the fight.

Speaker 12 (03:24:07):
Yes, I recall hearing screams to get out of here
and just leave.

Speaker 6 (03:24:12):
Do you recall whether or not do you recall whether
or not Charlie Conner said anything during.

Speaker 12 (03:24:21):
Yes, he yelled he has a knife, he has a knife.

Speaker 6 (03:24:25):
And when you heard him yell he's got a knife,
he's got a knife, what, if anything did you do next?

Speaker 12 (03:24:32):
I do not recall exactly he said it a few times.
Therefore it kind of registered in my head.

Speaker 6 (03:24:40):
And when it registered in your head, were you still
recording the video?

Speaker 4 (03:24:43):
That is right when the video stopped.

Speaker 6 (03:24:47):
I'm gonna show your states Exhibit sixty We're gonna play
the original video. Yes, yeah, that was that the original
video of Utah.

Speaker 4 (03:25:04):
Yes it was.

Speaker 6 (03:25:06):
No.

Speaker 11 (03:25:09):
Yes, was that the lighting up version?

Speaker 4 (03:25:14):
Yes, it was outside of being lightened up.

Speaker 16 (03:25:16):
Any difference from what you originally no? No, Yes, I'm
gonna show you some stills from the video.

Speaker 11 (03:25:35):
So I'm showing your state Exhibit sixty one.

Speaker 6 (03:25:39):
This individual right here to the left what appears to
be pink shorts and white shirt.

Speaker 11 (03:25:43):
Do you know who that is with the phone in
his hand.

Speaker 8 (03:25:46):
Yes, that's Ricky Fiola.

Speaker 11 (03:25:48):
Rico Fiola, Ricky yes. Stage sixty two.

Speaker 6 (03:25:54):
Do you know who this individual is?

Speaker 12 (03:25:56):
Yes, that is one of the individuals that was originally
in there and then the fight.

Speaker 4 (03:26:01):
And you know who that individual is, Yes, that's Rowel
Valet yes.

Speaker 11 (03:26:08):
Stage sixty three.

Speaker 6 (03:26:11):
This individual here with the green shirt and black and
black shorts with white trim.

Speaker 4 (03:26:18):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:26:19):
Yes, that's Ryan Hines in This.

Speaker 6 (03:26:22):
Individual here with the white shirt and black shorts in
front of Ryan Hines.

Speaker 10 (03:26:26):
Who is that?

Speaker 4 (03:26:27):
That is Sal Perry in.

Speaker 6 (03:26:29):
This individual with their shirt off with the jeans on.

Speaker 4 (03:26:31):
You know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:26:33):
Yes, that's Alex Bernstein in This.

Speaker 6 (03:26:35):
Individual here with the black shirt, jeans on, in the
red hat.

Speaker 4 (03:26:38):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:26:40):
Yes, that is Michael sam Perry in This.

Speaker 6 (03:26:42):
Individual on their knees with their shirt pulled up. Do
you know who that is?

Speaker 12 (03:26:46):
Yes, that is one of the individuals that was originally
in the car. Do you know the name of that individual, Yes,
Tyler DeSilva.

Speaker 6 (03:26:53):
And you know if there's anybody in front of him
on the ground.

Speaker 8 (03:26:58):
I learned after the fact that it was Tyler rich.

Speaker 6 (03:27:03):
Shoe and you stayed sixty four. Direct your attention to
this individual here and the white shirt. Do you know
who this is on the right side of sixty.

Speaker 8 (03:27:16):
Four, Yes, Charlie o'connery, And.

Speaker 6 (03:27:19):
Again sixty five is that the same individual?

Speaker 11 (03:27:23):
Yes, it is, State sixty six.

Speaker 6 (03:27:29):
Do you know who this individual is with the white
shirt and it appears to be tan shorts on.

Speaker 4 (03:27:34):
Yes, that's Jacob Villa Lobos.

Speaker 6 (03:27:37):
And this person here with the camouflage shorts with no
shirt on, with the shirt hanging.

Speaker 4 (03:27:41):
Out the back, do you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:27:43):
Yes, Matthew Lakovic.

Speaker 11 (03:27:45):
And this individual here with the navy blue shirt and white.

Speaker 6 (03:27:47):
Shorts, do you know who that is?

Speaker 12 (03:27:50):
Yes, Jimmy McGrath, State sixty seven.

Speaker 6 (03:27:56):
Again this individual with the white shirt hanging out the
back pants with the camouflage.

Speaker 8 (03:28:01):
That's Matthew Lakovich.

Speaker 6 (03:28:03):
And this individual here with the tan shorts with the
white shirt appears to be pushing on Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 4 (03:28:10):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:28:11):
Yes, Jacob Vila Lobos.

Speaker 6 (03:28:12):
And again this person here on the right side of
the photograph with the navy blue shirt on the white.

Speaker 11 (03:28:19):
Shorts, who would that be?

Speaker 12 (03:28:20):
Jimmy McGrath, State's sixty eight.

Speaker 11 (03:28:27):
The individual here with the shirt pulled up with the
jeans on.

Speaker 6 (03:28:31):
Can you tell us who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:28:32):
Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 6 (03:28:33):
And is this frame after jacobill Lobos seemed pushing him
out into the street, yes, sir. And the person passing
him near the curb, who would that be?

Speaker 4 (03:28:44):
That is the defendant?

Speaker 11 (03:28:46):
And finally State's sixty nine.

Speaker 4 (03:28:51):
You know who this individual is in the street with.

Speaker 12 (03:28:54):
The jeans on, in the jersey, yes, Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 6 (03:28:58):
And this individual here with the navy blue shirt on
in the white shorts.

Speaker 4 (03:29:02):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (03:29:03):
Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (03:29:05):
Now, when you stopped filming.

Speaker 4 (03:29:09):
With drawn after the fight ended, what did you observe
after the fight ended?

Speaker 12 (03:29:18):
I observed a chaotic scene where Jimmy was laying on
the ground and the dark colored Honda pilot sped away.

Speaker 6 (03:29:26):
What about Jimmy did you observe when you saw him
on the ground.

Speaker 8 (03:29:30):
He was just laying in the grass with a bunch
of people around him.

Speaker 6 (03:29:34):
And did you recall whether or not he had his
shirt on at that moment?

Speaker 8 (03:29:38):
I do not recall.

Speaker 4 (03:29:39):
And did you notice anything else about any of your
other friends? After the fight was over at that moment.

Speaker 6 (03:29:44):
I did not what happened after the fight ended.

Speaker 4 (03:29:47):
What did you do next?

Speaker 12 (03:29:50):
When Jimmy was laying on the ground, people sorry, he
appeared to have wounds, and everyone was yelling to go
get towels. So then I made my way back through
the opening in the backyard and down the cellar doors
to go look for a towels to assist.

Speaker 6 (03:30:08):
And when you went to go look for towels, what
if anything did you encounter.

Speaker 4 (03:30:12):
In the basement.

Speaker 12 (03:30:13):
In the basement, I encountered Ryan Hines slouched up against
the wall with his arm across him, seeming to be heavy,
heavy breathing.

Speaker 6 (03:30:23):
And did you assist Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (03:30:26):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (03:30:26):
I asked why he was down there, and he was
just out of breath. And then I lifted his arm
up and saw a wound on his ribcage.

Speaker 4 (03:30:36):
And what side of his do you recall it side?
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 12 (03:30:41):
I told him that he had to go outside to
an ambulance right away, and I proceeded to get his
mom's phone number.

Speaker 6 (03:30:48):
And did you call his mother?

Speaker 4 (03:30:49):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:30:50):
And after you called his mother, did you help him
outside or did you help him outside first? And then
called his mother.

Speaker 12 (03:30:55):
I helped him to the ambulance, and then I called
his mother immediately.

Speaker 6 (03:31:00):
After and after that happened, Do you recall whether or
not you spoke to police officers?

Speaker 4 (03:31:07):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:31:07):
Where did you speak to the police officers.

Speaker 4 (03:31:10):
In the driveway and at some point in time did you.

Speaker 6 (03:31:16):
Speak to police officers again after that night?

Speaker 4 (03:31:20):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (03:31:20):
The following day and when you spoke to.

Speaker 6 (03:31:24):
Police officers, did you provide the police officers.

Speaker 8 (03:31:29):
With the video that we just saw, Yes, I did.

Speaker 6 (03:31:32):
And on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two, when you
were coming out of the Billco door and you were
encountering the fight, did you have any weapons on you?

Speaker 12 (03:31:43):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:31:43):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (03:31:44):
You were called prior to the fight whether or not
any of your friends had any weapons on them.

Speaker 4 (03:31:48):
No, they did not.

Speaker 6 (03:31:49):
And you were call witnessing anybody during the fight from
your friends with.

Speaker 4 (03:31:54):
Any weapons on them?

Speaker 5 (03:31:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:31:56):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (03:31:57):
Did you witness anybody else with any weapons on them
that night?

Speaker 4 (03:32:00):
No? Did you see.

Speaker 6 (03:32:01):
Anybody actually get stabbed?

Speaker 14 (03:32:03):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:32:03):
I did not. To the best of your recollection, what
you told us here today is what you remember. Yes,
you said you had a couple of beers at your
brother's house. And that was it? Yes, Were you intoxicated
to the point where you couldn't recall everything that you
just testify to today?

Speaker 4 (03:32:20):
Today they may have a more.

Speaker 6 (03:32:22):
Mir I have no further questions at this point.

Speaker 14 (03:32:26):
I thank you, good afternoon, mister Chanewski. You and I
have never met before, correct, No, sir, we've never discussed
this case before. No, sir, You did, however, meet with
the police and discuss this case, correct, Yes, And sir,
it's your testimony that when you met with them on

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May fifteenth, you provided them with this video.

Speaker 12 (03:32:51):
I do not recall if it was on the fifteenth,
but to the best of my knowledge, yes, because you
actually also met with them again on the twentieth, did
you not.

Speaker 8 (03:32:58):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:32:59):
Do you think maybe you vided it to them on
the twentieth and not on the fifteenth.

Speaker 8 (03:33:02):
Yes, it may have been on the twentieth.

Speaker 14 (03:33:05):
You described for us your relationship with some of these folks,
and I want to talk to you a little bit
about that, Okay, Yes, sir, you described knowing Ryan Hines,
and you knew Ryan Hines from school, correct.

Speaker 12 (03:33:22):
I met him through mutual friends, through mutual friends, and
we live in the same neighborhood.

Speaker 14 (03:33:28):
And you lived in the same neighborhood. Yes, and how
would you describe the nature of that relationship? Was he
your best friend? Was he acquaintance?

Speaker 8 (03:33:37):
He was a really good friend of mine, a.

Speaker 14 (03:33:40):
Really good friend, good enough that you would give him
rides to and from parties even if you weren't necessarily
going there. Is that fair to say? Yes, sir, And
you didn't really describe for us your relationship with Griffin Marsinzic.
But how do you know, Griffin?

Speaker 12 (03:33:55):
Our families have been family friends since we were very young,
so we consider each other cousins, but not by blood, so.

Speaker 14 (03:34:06):
Close enough that you consider each other cousins even though
you're not actually blood related.

Speaker 4 (03:34:11):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:34:12):
Do you have that same closeness in your relationship with
Ryan Hines? Not to the extent, So you were closer
with Griffin Marsinsic than you weren't necessarily with Ryan Hiness.
And you described that you received a call to give
a ride to Ryan and Griffin over to five Lazy

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Brook correct, Yes, sir. At that point you were at
your brother's house. Yes, And just for the record, was
your brother's name Colin Colin?

Speaker 4 (03:34:40):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:34:41):
And how old is Colin?

Speaker 4 (03:34:43):
Twenty four?

Speaker 14 (03:34:45):
I believe now, yes, so twenty one at the time.

Speaker 12 (03:34:48):
Yes, he was twenty one or twenty two. It was
his stepbrother's house, but he was residing there.

Speaker 14 (03:34:54):
Okay, his stepbrother is not your stepbrother.

Speaker 4 (03:34:58):
No, okay.

Speaker 14 (03:35:00):
Are you and Colin half brothers?

Speaker 8 (03:35:02):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:35:02):
Same father, gotcha?

Speaker 14 (03:35:06):
And so you did give them a ride over to
five Lazy Brook correct, yes, sir, but you just dropped
them there, yes, sir. So you didn't witness anything that
occurred at five Lazy no, sir. Later, however, you got
another call from Ryan Hines again correct, yes, sir. And
at that point you got Alex Bernson involved.

Speaker 4 (03:35:26):
Correct yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:35:27):
You weren't hanging out with Alex before that call, were you, No, sir.
So after that call you contacted Alex Bernson correct, yes, sir.
You recruited him to come and give you a ride
over to forty three Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 8 (03:35:39):
Correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:35:40):
How did you know to go to forty three Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 12 (03:35:43):
I don't actually, sorry. Ryan informed me that that was
where he was.

Speaker 14 (03:35:49):
Going to be going, and he wanted you to come
there and meet up with him.

Speaker 12 (03:35:52):
I was more being a concerned friend, so I was
going to go check on him, no matter where he
was okay?

Speaker 14 (03:36:00):
And were you going to take Alex Bernson with you
no matter what?

Speaker 12 (03:36:06):
Alex was my first call because I had a few
drinks and he does not drink, so I knew that
in a serious situation that if I needed him to
pick me up, he would.

Speaker 14 (03:36:16):
So if there was going to be a serious situation,
you wanted Alex Bernson to be with you?

Speaker 4 (03:36:20):
Is the characterization, Oliver.

Speaker 1 (03:36:23):
That's how it was characterized by the awareness.

Speaker 14 (03:36:25):
Can you rephrase, plase, if there was going to be
a serious situation, you wanted Alex Bernson to be with you? Correct?

Speaker 12 (03:36:32):
No, not in not saying there was going to be
a serious situation. It was a serious situation because I
was made aware of something that supposedly happened to my friend.
So to me, it was a serious situation to check
on his well being.

Speaker 14 (03:36:46):
And that serious situation was you thought that there had
been a fight that mister Hines had been involved with. Correct, yes, sir,
And so you got Alex Bernson, not Colin, to take
you over to forty three Lauriblon, is that fair to say? Yes, sir,
you identified for us Alex Bernson in the videos that
we just watched, right, yes, sir, Alex Bernson's the guy
with no shirt on who's standing over somebody and throwing

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a few blows.

Speaker 8 (03:37:09):
Right, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:37:12):
How much do you think Alex person or do you
know how had miss person had to drink that evening?

Speaker 8 (03:37:17):
He does not drink, does not drink at the time.
He did not drink.

Speaker 14 (03:37:22):
And you told us that when you got there to
the house at forty three Laurel Glenn, you had had
a couple of drinks, correct, yes, sir, And you described
those as being seltzer's, correct, yes, sir. They also told
the state's attorney on your direct examination that those had
been beers, correct.

Speaker 8 (03:37:41):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:37:41):
Did you have both that night Seltzer's and beers?

Speaker 10 (03:37:45):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:37:45):
I did not Which one was it seltzer or beer?

Speaker 4 (03:37:48):
It was seltzer.

Speaker 14 (03:37:50):
Do you know which kind of seltzer?

Speaker 8 (03:37:51):
I did not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:37:53):
And you can't tell us exactly how many of those
Seltzer's you'd had, not more than a few, not more
than a few, what is a few?

Speaker 4 (03:38:03):
Two to three?

Speaker 14 (03:38:05):
You can't recall how long you were at your brother's, correct, No,
I cannot, But it was enough time at least to
have a few seltzers, yes, sir. Was anybody else drinking.

Speaker 8 (03:38:16):
With you at my brother's house?

Speaker 12 (03:38:18):
Yes, yes, who I do not recall my older brother's
stepbrother's friends their gut.

Speaker 14 (03:38:26):
Together, and at this time you were eighteen?

Speaker 8 (03:38:29):
Correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:38:31):
Who supplied you with those seltzers?

Speaker 4 (03:38:33):
I do not recall.

Speaker 8 (03:38:34):
It was a get together, so I really just grabbed them.

Speaker 14 (03:38:40):
But you don't recall who supplied you as an underage
person with those seltzers?

Speaker 4 (03:38:44):
No, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:38:45):
And you left your brother's house and went to Tyler's
rich house at at Rich's house at forty three Laurel
Glenn correct, yes, sir. You were driven there by Alex
Bernson correct, yes, sir. And along the way you claim
you didn't have anything or to drink, correct, no, sir.
And when you got there, you say you didn't go

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inside the house, No, sir. And when you got there,
who was the first person that you saw?

Speaker 8 (03:39:15):
I saw Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (03:39:17):
Where did you see him in the street slash.

Speaker 8 (03:39:21):
Front yard area?

Speaker 4 (03:39:22):
And what was he doing?

Speaker 12 (03:39:24):
He was standing there by a car just talking.

Speaker 14 (03:39:29):
Who was he talking to?

Speaker 12 (03:39:31):
I do not recall exactly. I remember Griffin being out
there and Tyler Rich, and.

Speaker 14 (03:39:39):
So to your recollection, when you arrived, it was just
Ryan Hines, Griffin Marsenzic, and Tyler Rich that were outside
to my knowledge.

Speaker 6 (03:39:47):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:39:48):
Do you recall anybody else being there who you just
didn't recognize?

Speaker 4 (03:39:51):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:39:52):
And how many people do you think were there that
you saw?

Speaker 8 (03:39:55):
I do not recall exactly, but not many.

Speaker 14 (03:39:57):
Maybe not many people. No, thirty people.

Speaker 12 (03:40:03):
Are you saying outside talking to Ryan that you saw
that I saw outside?

Speaker 4 (03:40:08):
Yes, not many people, are not thirty.

Speaker 14 (03:40:11):
Not at that point.

Speaker 6 (03:40:12):
No.

Speaker 14 (03:40:15):
Did you see Ricky Fiola when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:18):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:19):
Did you see South Perry when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:21):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:22):
Did you see Michael sam Peery when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:23):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:24):
Did you see Alex Bernson, Yes, because he was with you, Yes, sir.
Did you see Charlie Connery when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:31):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:32):
Did you see Jacob Villa Lobos when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:34):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:35):
You did see Tyler Rich, yes, sir. Did you see
Michael Lokovich when you got there?

Speaker 4 (03:40:42):
No, sir, I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:40:44):
But you do recall seeing all of those folks in
the video later on correct, Yes, sir. And you said
you were there for about twenty minutes correct, Yes, sir.
Were you outside that whole time?

Speaker 12 (03:40:55):
I was outside, and I made my way to the
cellar doors in the back and this staircase.

Speaker 14 (03:41:02):
Yes, So for twenty minutes you were outside and then
you made your way to the cellar doors at some point, yes, sir.
And while you were there, you weren't having anything to
drink at that point, No, sir, did you see other
people drinking? I do not recall you say Ryan Hines
was by a.

Speaker 8 (03:41:18):
Car in the front yard.

Speaker 12 (03:41:21):
There was a couple of cars parked on the left
side of the street if you're facing farmhouse, and then
more cars parked on the right side of the street.

Speaker 14 (03:41:29):
So cars parked on both sides of the street.

Speaker 12 (03:41:32):
Yes, there was about not many cars on the left
side towards the house. There was I would say maybe
three cars. But there was more cars on the opposite
side across the street.

Speaker 14 (03:41:42):
So three cars on the left side by the house.
Even more cars on the.

Speaker 4 (03:41:46):
Right side, yes, sir, across the street.

Speaker 14 (03:41:48):
Yes, sir, how many cars? If you recall we're in
the parking the driveway.

Speaker 8 (03:41:52):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (03:41:55):
Do you recall later that there were cars in the driveway, yes, sir.
Do you recall a blue truck being in the driveway.

Speaker 8 (03:42:02):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:42:04):
Do you recall any other cars being in the driveway?

Speaker 4 (03:42:05):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:42:06):
Do you recall a basketball hoop being anywhere?

Speaker 8 (03:42:10):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:42:10):
Where was that located?

Speaker 8 (03:42:13):
Right to the left side of the mailbox in the street.

Speaker 14 (03:42:18):
And you told us that you went to the cellar doors.
Had you been to this house before, yes, sir, so
you knew where to go, yes, sir. You were familiar
with the layout of the house, yes, sir. The layout
of the yard, yes, sir. The layout of the neighborhood itself, yes, sir.
That neighborhood, you would agree, is made up of a

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number of through streets, and then a number of streets
that come off of that that end in cul de sacs.

Speaker 8 (03:42:43):
Right can you rephrase plase?

Speaker 6 (03:42:46):
Sorry?

Speaker 14 (03:42:47):
Sure. There is a number of streets that are called
through streets that have they connect one street to another, right, Yes,
Adams is one of those streets, yes, sir. And then
there's a number of streets that are called us or
they end in little circular dead ends, right, Yes, sir.
And that's what that neighborhood is comprised of. Right, Yes, sir,
you knew that because you'd been there before. Yes, sir,

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And you were familiar enough with this house that you
just walked up to the back cellar doors.

Speaker 10 (03:43:13):
Right.

Speaker 12 (03:43:15):
No, When I got there, there was individuals outside who
I am friends with, so I did not walk right
back up to the cellar doors.

Speaker 8 (03:43:23):
I was standing in the front having a conversation.

Speaker 14 (03:43:25):
Okay, But you didn't feel any need to tell anybody
I'm going to go walk to the cellar doors and
go downstairs now, right.

Speaker 12 (03:43:32):
The owner of the house, Tyler Rich, was outside at
the initial conversation, and.

Speaker 14 (03:43:36):
You didn't feel like you needed to tell him, Tyler,
I'm going to go to the inside the house now,
Is that okay?

Speaker 12 (03:43:42):
Well, people were starting to walk back to the house,
so he was aware that I was there and was
aware that with people walking back to the house, I
would be among.

Speaker 14 (03:43:51):
Those, and that it would be okay for you to
do so, Yes, sir, Because you'd been there before, Yes, sir,
you were familiar with the layout of the house. Yes, sir,
were familiar with you. You didn't expect anybody to try
and stop you when you went to those cellar doors, No, sir.
And you told us that you went down the cellar steps,
but you didn't make it to the bottom right, Yes, sir.
When you were standing on the cellar steps, could you

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see into the basement?

Speaker 4 (03:44:15):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:44:18):
And you don't recall seeing any drinking going on?

Speaker 4 (03:44:22):
No, I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:44:24):
You didn't see any evidence of drinking anywhere along the
way between the front yard to the cellar steps wherever
you made it ultimately, no, sir. And then you told
us that you came back because you heard yelling, and
that yelling was that they're back. Yes, sir, to your knowledge,

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had the Honda pilot been there before.

Speaker 4 (03:44:48):
At that point?

Speaker 8 (03:44:52):
It was previously there and drove away.

Speaker 14 (03:44:55):
It was previously there and drove away sometime before you
were there for twenty minutes.

Speaker 12 (03:45:00):
No, the Honda pilot. Their first arrival was when I
was already at the house.

Speaker 14 (03:45:06):
When you arrived to the house, Yes, sir, was the
Honda pilot there?

Speaker 8 (03:45:11):
No, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:45:12):
You're saying that before you arrived, the Honda pilot had
already been there. No, sir, Okay, what do you mean
that it had been there before you arrived. I misunderstood
your question. The Honda pilot was not there prior to
my being there, So when you heard that they were back,
what did that mean to you if the pilot had

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not been there before.

Speaker 8 (03:45:36):
I misunderstood your question.

Speaker 12 (03:45:38):
So the Honda pilot had driven away down the street
when I was at the cellar doors. So when I
heard the words there back, I understood that the car
came back down the street and was back at the house.

Speaker 14 (03:45:55):
You didn't see the car, no, I did not, and
you came back into the front.

Speaker 8 (03:46:00):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 14 (03:46:01):
Who else was with you?

Speaker 8 (03:46:03):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:46:05):
There was a.

Speaker 12 (03:46:07):
Group of individuals walking back to the front.

Speaker 14 (03:46:10):
A large group of individuals, right, I do.

Speaker 8 (03:46:12):
Not recall exactly, but there was a few people I
was not paying attention to who was with me?

Speaker 12 (03:46:17):
A few, two or three like with the Seltzers, or more.
I do not recall exactly thirty to forty. Upon watching
the video after, could see that there was a large group.

Speaker 6 (03:46:29):
But in.

Speaker 12 (03:46:32):
An instance where when I immediately walked back to the front,
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:46:35):
You don't recall the people that were in the house
pouring out into the front yard. I do not recall,
and you said that when the vehicle came back, it
parked right in front of the mailbox, right, Yes, sir,
wasn't on the other side of the street, right there
by that mailbox, yes, sir. And you said you walked

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out to see with Griffin Marsinsic. Correct.

Speaker 8 (03:47:05):
I do not recall say I walked out with him.

Speaker 14 (03:47:08):
Was Griffin Marsinsic with you?

Speaker 12 (03:47:10):
I do not recall who exactly was with me when
I walked back to the front upon hearing their back.

Speaker 14 (03:47:15):
Okay, you didn't tell us that you walked out with
Ryan Hines.

Speaker 8 (03:47:21):
I do not recall saying that.

Speaker 12 (03:47:23):
I do not remember who I walked out from the
cellar doors back to the front with.

Speaker 14 (03:47:28):
You don't recall telling us that you walked out with
Tyler Rich, No, sir. When you were in the front yard,
you said, at least Griffin Marsinsic, Ryan Hines and Tyler.

Speaker 8 (03:47:40):
Rich were out there right, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:47:44):
But in fact everyone ultimately ended up pouring out into
the front yard, did they not.

Speaker 12 (03:47:52):
I am not sure if it was everybody, but a
large group eventually. There was a large group eventually on the.

Speaker 14 (03:47:59):
Wall right and just a few people, was it?

Speaker 6 (03:48:01):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:48:01):
Sir, It wasn't two or three, No, sir. And you
told us that the car stopped in the middle of
the road, right in front of the mailbox, and that
the Shelton High kids all approached the car.

Speaker 12 (03:48:16):
Correct, This is prior to the car driving away.

Speaker 14 (03:48:21):
You're asking, let's focus on what you've told us. You
said that you came back out and the car is
parked there by the mailbox.

Speaker 12 (03:48:33):
Right once I came back out of the cellar doors,
after I heard yelling that they're back.

Speaker 14 (03:48:38):
Yes, Okay, that's what we're talking about right now. Okay,
at that point, everybody poured out of the house.

Speaker 8 (03:48:45):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (03:48:45):
I do not recall, okay, do you recall telling us
that the Shelton High School kids all approached the car
and that there was arguing back and forth.

Speaker 12 (03:48:54):
That was prior, yes, sir, prior to what approaching of
the car was, when I was still outside having a conversation.

Speaker 8 (03:49:04):
Prior to me ever, making it to the back of
the house.

Speaker 14 (03:49:09):
When you got there. Initially you told us you did
not see the Honda pilot.

Speaker 8 (03:49:14):
No direct Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:49:15):
You were there outside for twenty minutes or so, correct, Yes, sir,
you went down to the cellar door.

Speaker 12 (03:49:21):
Correct, no, sir, the car pulled up upon me being
outside before.

Speaker 8 (03:49:27):
You went to the cellar door, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:49:29):
O okay, would you agree that that's different than what
you told us on direct.

Speaker 8 (03:49:36):
I misunderstood what you said, but yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:49:39):
When the car pulls up after you come back from
the cellar doors, you go back into the front yard
and at that point the car is by the mailbox.

Speaker 4 (03:49:49):
Can you rephrase again? Sorry?

Speaker 14 (03:49:52):
What part of it do you not understand? So I
know what to rephrase?

Speaker 1 (03:49:55):
It's argumentative, it's not argumentative. He's asking a question. Why
don't you just repraise the question?

Speaker 14 (03:50:02):
Attorney said, let's go from the cellar doors. Okay, you're
at the cellar doors, you hear something, you go back
to the front yard, do you recall that.

Speaker 4 (03:50:14):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:50:15):
When you go back to the front yard, that's when
you see the Honda Pilot that you've described being by
the mailbox.

Speaker 8 (03:50:22):
Correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:50:23):
And at that point Shelton High School kids all approached
the car and there was arguing back and forth.

Speaker 8 (03:50:29):
Correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:50:32):
Now you thought that there were four to five kids
in that car, correct.

Speaker 8 (03:50:37):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:50:38):
And you thought that the occupants of that car included
mister de Silva correct, yes, sir, mister Snyder correct, I
learned his name after but yes, sir, mister Bally correct, Yes, sir,
and another person named Anthony Greco correct, yes, sir. Anthony
Greco wasn't there that night?

Speaker 4 (03:50:57):
Was he?

Speaker 14 (03:50:58):
No, sir, But you thought he was in that car?

Speaker 8 (03:51:00):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:51:01):
You told that to officers, yes, sir. And once these
kids go over and there's arguing back and forth as
you described it, where were you at.

Speaker 12 (03:51:12):
That point when the car first got there and what
I described as the arguing. I was at the driver's
side rear door.

Speaker 14 (03:51:23):
Driver's side rear door, Yes, sir. How close were you
to the car?

Speaker 4 (03:51:30):
I do not recall exactly, not far, but an arm's.

Speaker 14 (03:51:33):
Length arm's length away you could reach out and touch it.

Speaker 12 (03:51:37):
I do not recall exactly, but I was close enough
to have a conversation without raising my voice.

Speaker 14 (03:51:42):
And to show you what's been marked, does exhibit thirty
is that the hind the pilot that you saw that night, Yes, sir.
Do you see a defect in the windshield on the
passenger side, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (03:51:57):
Do you recall that being.

Speaker 14 (03:51:59):
There the first time that you saw that vehicle that evening.

Speaker 4 (03:52:02):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:52:04):
And you said that a glass bottle was thrown out
of the car towards the house, correct, yes, sir, And
that glass came from the driver's side correct, yes, sir.
Where you were standing by the driver's side, rear door
and arms length the way correct, yes, sir. There was
some arguing and then they sped off. You told us, yes, sir,

(03:52:25):
you didn't see anybody touching that vehicle. I do not
recall exactly you didn't see anybody rocking that vehicle.

Speaker 8 (03:52:32):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:52:34):
You didn't see all the Shelton High kids surrounding that vehicle.

Speaker 8 (03:52:37):
I do not recall because I was at the driver's side.

Speaker 4 (03:52:40):
I was just talking.

Speaker 14 (03:52:42):
So if the other kids were all surrounding that vehicle,
you couldn't see that from where you were standing by
the driver's side.

Speaker 8 (03:52:48):
I was not really paying attention to everybody else.

Speaker 14 (03:52:51):
What were you paying attention to?

Speaker 12 (03:52:52):
I was paying attention into the car and trying to
listen to the arguing and what was being said.

Speaker 14 (03:52:58):
You were paying attention into the car, and you thought
you s Anthony Greco in there.

Speaker 8 (03:53:02):
I did not know who Anthony Greco was.

Speaker 10 (03:53:04):
That was.

Speaker 8 (03:53:06):
I gained that knowledge upon after.

Speaker 14 (03:53:09):
You gained the knowledge that Anthony Greco was in the
car afterwards.

Speaker 12 (03:53:14):
So I second, sorry, I did not know who Anthony
Greco was, but upon having a conversation with my friends
after I thought that it was Anthony Greco that was
also there, but I did not have any prior knowledge
who he was.

Speaker 8 (03:53:27):
So could you rephrase one more time?

Speaker 4 (03:53:29):
Sorry?

Speaker 14 (03:53:30):
Afterwards you talk to some folks, you decided based upon
that that Anthony Greco was in the car, and you
told the cops that Anthony Greco was in that car. Correct.

Speaker 8 (03:53:40):
I do not recall exactly what I said, with it
being three years ago, But if that was in the statement.

Speaker 14 (03:53:47):
And now you're telling us Anthony Greco wasn't in that car, no, sir,
but that's what your friends told you.

Speaker 8 (03:53:54):
I did not recall exactly, but it was conversation after and.

Speaker 14 (03:53:58):
That's what you told the cops when you talk to
them on the fifteenth. Correct.

Speaker 8 (03:54:01):
I do not recall exactly, but if that's an estatem.

Speaker 6 (03:54:03):
I guess.

Speaker 14 (03:54:08):
You didn't see anybody touching the vehicle.

Speaker 6 (03:54:11):
I do not.

Speaker 14 (03:54:12):
You didn't see anybody rocking the vehicle. I do not
recall you didn't see anybody surrounding the vehicle.

Speaker 12 (03:54:18):
There was individuals outside, but I do not recall any surrounding.

Speaker 14 (03:54:23):
And you recall the vehicle being right there by that
mailbox at.

Speaker 12 (03:54:27):
The initial them pulling up. It was in the middle
of the street, which I signified earlier.

Speaker 14 (03:54:34):
And what we're talking about now, when you're standing there
and there's arguing going back and forth, that vehicle's by
that mailbox.

Speaker 12 (03:54:43):
When there was arguing in the very beginning, it was
in the middle of the street. The mailbox was after
when people were yelling their back.

Speaker 14 (03:54:53):
Yes, after this arguing was going on, they sped off correct,
Yes sir, And they went down the street towards farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 8 (03:55:07):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:55:09):
And you went back towards the cellar doors.

Speaker 8 (03:55:12):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:55:13):
You didn't see anybody go down towards Farmhouse Lane from
the Shelton High Kids.

Speaker 4 (03:55:17):
Digit I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:55:19):
You didn't hear anybody go down there towards the Shelton
from the Shelton High Kids go down towards farmhouse Lane,
digit I do not recall. But you do recall that
you went back down towards the cellar doors and hung
out for a bit, right yes, sir, did you go
downstairs into the cellar this time?

Speaker 8 (03:55:32):
I did not make it into the basement full way.

Speaker 14 (03:55:34):
Now where did you do this? Hanging out for a bit?

Speaker 8 (03:55:37):
I was right at the cellar doors and on the stairs.

Speaker 14 (03:55:41):
Why didn't you go down into the cellar?

Speaker 8 (03:55:43):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (03:55:45):
Were there other people there by the cellar doors with you?

Speaker 4 (03:55:48):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:55:49):
But were you standing there by yourself?

Speaker 4 (03:55:54):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:55:56):
And at some point you you said that some of
the occupants of the Honda Pilot were throwing beer bottles outside.

Speaker 4 (03:56:07):
Correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:56:09):
But you never saw anybody from the Shelton High kids
throw anything at that pilot, did you?

Speaker 6 (03:56:13):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:56:13):
Sorry recall, didn't see anybody punch anybody in the Honda Pilot.

Speaker 4 (03:56:17):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:56:18):
Did you see anything going on in the front passenger
or the front driver's side of the Honda Pilot.

Speaker 4 (03:56:23):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (03:56:25):
But you do recall that you heard a loud scream
from outside, and that's when you went back towards the
front right. I heard yelling that they're back, and that's
when I went back, and you heard yelling that they're
back again. This is the second time that you've heard this.

Speaker 8 (03:56:44):
No, that was only one instance.

Speaker 14 (03:56:47):
So now this is when you're hearing the yelling that
they're back. Yes, not the first time that you described
to us where you had come in. You'd gone, you
were going down to the cellar's doors, and then you
came back the first time.

Speaker 8 (03:56:58):
I only made it to these one time.

Speaker 4 (03:57:02):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:57:04):
You didn't tell us before that you made it to
the cellar doors, you came back. That's when we had
this whole discussion about the things going on there by
the front mailbox. And then after they left, you went
back to the cellar door a second time.

Speaker 12 (03:57:16):
I made it back to the cellar doors one time,
and that was when the car had driven away. I
walked back to the front yard once I heard there back, okay.

Speaker 14 (03:57:32):
And when you got there this second time, you said
you started a snapchat video, right, yes, sir, And we
watched that snapchat video, correct, yes, sir. And you described
a chaotic scene with a fight in the middle of
the grass, right, yes, sir. In fact, there were really
two fights going on, right, yes, sir. Right, there was

(03:57:54):
a fight that's over here with Tyler de Silva. That's
one fight you'd degree yes, sir, And then there was
a second fight that was going on with mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (03:58:01):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (03:58:02):
I do not recall seeing that fight by the time
I made it to the front.

Speaker 14 (03:58:06):
Did you see that fight occur in the video that
you watched a few times?

Speaker 5 (03:58:10):
Here?

Speaker 8 (03:58:11):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:58:12):
You don't recall that at all. No, And you were
standing over by this concrete.

Speaker 4 (03:58:19):
Square, correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (03:58:22):
In fact, you were moving around to some extent, were
you not.

Speaker 8 (03:58:25):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 14 (03:58:26):
And you told us that you heard screaming.

Speaker 8 (03:58:32):
Correct, I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (03:58:35):
You don't recall whether or not you told us that
you'd heard screaming.

Speaker 8 (03:58:38):
The only screaming that I recall hearing is that they're back.

Speaker 14 (03:58:42):
That's all you recall hearing is their back. Yes, you
just watched the video, right, yes, sir? And you heard
somebody say yes, sir, Right, yes, sir?

Speaker 8 (03:58:51):
Was that you, yes, sir?

Speaker 14 (03:58:52):
So it wasn't just that people were screaming that you heard?
You were screaming yes, sir, Yes, sir? What did that mean? Yes, sir.

Speaker 12 (03:59:03):
I do not recall exactly it was in the heat
of the moment.

Speaker 14 (03:59:08):
Well, what were you watching when you said yes, sir?

Speaker 8 (03:59:11):
I was watching an altercation on the grass.

Speaker 14 (03:59:15):
You were watching Alex Bernson shirtless throwing blows that Tyler
de Silva while he was on the ground with his
shirt pulled up over his head hockey style.

Speaker 8 (03:59:25):
Right upon watching the video, I saw that, yes, sir, So.

Speaker 14 (03:59:29):
That, yes, sir, was celebratory. Would you agree?

Speaker 8 (03:59:34):
I would not say celebratory.

Speaker 14 (03:59:36):
You weren't answering a question.

Speaker 8 (03:59:37):
Were you excuse me, rephrase please?

Speaker 14 (03:59:41):
Nobody had said to you, are you having a good
time this evening, mister Tarnowski? Did they No, sir. You
weren't answering a question. Were you No, sir, you were celebrating.
You were saying, yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (03:59:54):
I do not recall celebrating, but yes, those were my words.

Speaker 14 (03:59:58):
Did you also hear somebody say get some nigger?

Speaker 12 (04:00:02):
I upon watching a video, Yes, sir, was that you
as well?

Speaker 8 (04:00:06):
No, sir?

Speaker 14 (04:00:08):
Are you sure?

Speaker 8 (04:00:10):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 4 (04:00:11):
How are you sure that is not my voice? That
was another individual whose voice?

Speaker 12 (04:00:16):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (04:00:17):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (04:00:19):
Was that also just the heat of the moment, It
was not me, so I'm not too sure. Didn't bother
you though, did it?

Speaker 4 (04:00:31):
No? It did not.

Speaker 14 (04:00:32):
Now you told us that you heard screaming out of here,
just leave. But you didn't tell us about the yes, sir,
And you didn't tell us about the racial epithet until right.

Speaker 4 (04:00:38):
Now, right?

Speaker 14 (04:00:40):
I no, sir, And in fact, you didn't tell officers
about this video until the third time that you've spoken
to him. Correct.

Speaker 8 (04:00:53):
I do not recall exactly which time and.

Speaker 14 (04:00:56):
You identified for us in States Exhibit sixty one Fiola.

Speaker 8 (04:01:00):
Right, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:01:01):
He had a phone in his hand as well, didn't.

Speaker 4 (04:01:03):
He, Yes, sir? And he had the.

Speaker 14 (04:01:05):
Flashlight on at least correct, Yes, sir, And he was
also live streaming this, wasn't he.

Speaker 8 (04:01:11):
I do not recall if he was live streaming. I
just recall seeing a light.

Speaker 14 (04:01:16):
You weren't filming that night because you thought this was
something that the cops should see.

Speaker 4 (04:01:22):
Were you, no, sir?

Speaker 14 (04:01:27):
You were filming because this is something you were enjoying, wasn't.

Speaker 4 (04:01:29):
It, No, sir?

Speaker 14 (04:01:31):
Did you say, yes, sir?

Speaker 4 (04:01:33):
I said no, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:01:38):
What were you going to do with that video after
you took it?

Speaker 8 (04:01:41):
I do not recall exactly, but.

Speaker 14 (04:01:43):
You weren't going to give it to the cops, were you, yes, sir?

Speaker 8 (04:01:46):
I would have.

Speaker 14 (04:01:49):
You didn't until they asked about it.

Speaker 8 (04:01:50):
Right, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:01:52):
You described a couple other people in that video for us.
You said the green shirt was Ryan Hines, correct, yes, sir.
White and black in front that was Sal Perry correct, Yes, sir.
One person with his shirt off over top of mister
d Silva. That was Alex Bernson that.

Speaker 8 (04:02:10):
You had brought with you, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:02:13):
Black shirt and red hat Michael Sampierre. Yes, sir, Da
Silva you described as wearing the light blue jersey. I
believe it was an old miss jersey.

Speaker 8 (04:02:22):
I do not recall saying old miss, but I say
a white blue jersey.

Speaker 14 (04:02:26):
And then you described Tyler Rich as being on the
ground in front of mister d Silva in that Yes, sir,
that's what you could make out from that.

Speaker 8 (04:02:35):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:02:38):
We also saw mister Billa Lobos in there, correct, Yes, sir.
Mister Lokovich was in there with no shirt on.

Speaker 8 (04:02:44):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:02:44):
How did you know mister Lokovich? We were, we were
fronts How old was mister Lokovich?

Speaker 4 (04:02:53):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (04:02:59):
You didn't start filming until the fight had already begun,
Is that fair to say? Yes, sir, did you see
the fight begin? No, sir, you didn't. No, sir, where
were you when the fight began? I was at the
cellar doors, so you didn't see somebody throw the first punch, No, sir.

(04:03:20):
When you spoke with officers, you describe Ledo as wearing
a dark hooded sweatshirt. Correct.

Speaker 8 (04:03:25):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (04:03:29):
He was not wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt that night,
was he.

Speaker 4 (04:03:31):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (04:03:35):
You told the officers that you observed it from a distance, right.
I do not recall, in fact, you didn't just observe
it from a distance. You were filming the thing, right, Yes, sir,
you were cheering it on.

Speaker 4 (04:03:48):
Right.

Speaker 12 (04:03:50):
I did not recall cheering it on. But I was
yelling at one point in the Videoh.

Speaker 4 (04:03:54):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (04:03:55):
You wouldn't describe saying yes sir as cheering it on. No, sir,
that wasn't encouraging things.

Speaker 8 (04:04:03):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (04:04:05):
And where was Ryan Hines while this was going on.

Speaker 8 (04:04:09):
I do not recall exactly where he was.

Speaker 14 (04:04:12):
But you told the officers that you saw the defendant
strike Ryan Hines and the ribs right.

Speaker 4 (04:04:17):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (04:04:19):
But you couldn't have seen the defendants strike Ryan Hines
and the Ribs.

Speaker 8 (04:04:22):
Right, I do not recall exactly where they were.

Speaker 14 (04:04:27):
Well, we saw what you saw, did we not?

Speaker 8 (04:04:29):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 14 (04:04:31):
Did you see the defendant strike Ryan Hines and the Ribs? No, sir,
No you didn't, but you told the cops that, right.

Speaker 8 (04:04:38):
I do not recall exactly saying that.

Speaker 14 (04:04:41):
And how did you know mister McGrath we have mutual friends.
Had you ever been to parties with him before?

Speaker 8 (04:04:48):
We have been in the same places a few times.

Speaker 4 (04:04:50):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (04:04:51):
Did you see him drinking this evening?

Speaker 6 (04:04:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (04:04:53):
I did not.

Speaker 14 (04:04:56):
You told officers when you spoke with them before you
gave them the video that, to the best of your knowledge,
this entire incident was completely random, right, yes, sir, But
it wasn't completely random, was it.

Speaker 8 (04:05:11):
I do not recall.

Speaker 12 (04:05:14):
You don't recall what what are you referring to when
you say it was not completely random?

Speaker 14 (04:05:20):
Well? What were you referring to when you said the
entire incident was completely random?

Speaker 12 (04:05:25):
I was made aware of an incident that happened prior,
but other than that of that of the individuals making
their way to our Shelton House party that was random.

Speaker 14 (04:05:36):
To my knowledge, making their way to which party to
Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 12 (04:05:42):
That was completely random to my prior knowledge, it was
random of them showing up there.

Speaker 14 (04:05:48):
Yes, to your knowledge, the defendant, Jack Snyder and Tyler
de Silva showed up a forty three log Glen Drive
completely randomly.

Speaker 12 (04:06:01):
To my knowledge up to that point, it was completely
random for them to have shown up there.

Speaker 14 (04:06:07):
You told these officers that you saw the defendant lying
on the ground after getting punched and there was a stampede,
did you not?

Speaker 4 (04:06:16):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (04:06:18):
You don't recall telling that to Officer Ianati when you
spoke to him on May twentieth. I do not recall
did you see the defendant lying on the ground after
getting punched and then there was a stampede and mister
Hines was pushed and landed on mister Valley.

Speaker 8 (04:06:33):
I do not recall exactly seeing that.

Speaker 1 (04:06:38):
Well, you did.

Speaker 14 (04:06:38):
Describe to us that it was a chaotic scene, right, yes, sir.
What was chaotic about it?

Speaker 12 (04:06:44):
It was very chaotic with a fight. There was a
lot of yelling and there was people outside. It was
just a chaotic scene to follow.

Speaker 14 (04:06:53):
There was only two of these kids from Saint Joe's.

Speaker 8 (04:06:57):
They're correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (04:06:59):
On the grass.

Speaker 8 (04:07:00):
Correct on the grass?

Speaker 14 (04:07:01):
Yes, sir, there were at least twenty Shelton High kids
there in the lawn. Correct.

Speaker 12 (04:07:08):
I do not recall exactly how many, but there was
a large group of showing kids outside.

Speaker 14 (04:07:12):
Yes, do you dispute that there was at least twenty.

Speaker 8 (04:07:16):
I do not recall exactly how many, but there was
a larger group.

Speaker 14 (04:07:20):
You wouldn't dispute that there was thirty, would you.

Speaker 12 (04:07:23):
I do not recall exactly how many were out there.

Speaker 14 (04:07:27):
You wouldn't dispute that there was forty?

Speaker 4 (04:07:28):
Would you?

Speaker 12 (04:07:29):
I do not recall exactly how many people were out there?

Speaker 14 (04:07:33):
Would you agree that the two Saint Joe's kids were
vastly outnumbered.

Speaker 12 (04:07:42):
Of people fighting? There was not many people in the
actual fight. There was a lot of bystanders around.

Speaker 14 (04:07:53):
How many people would you say, we're fighting in that
video that you've recorded.

Speaker 12 (04:07:58):
It's the best of my knowledge, exactly, I'd say a few,
not too many.

Speaker 14 (04:08:02):
A few, yes, sir, like those Seltzer's two or three.

Speaker 12 (04:08:07):
Upon watching the video, I could see there was about
there was a fight in the grass and there was
a punch thrown from behind from Alex Princeton.

Speaker 4 (04:08:16):
That's it.

Speaker 14 (04:08:17):
You didn't see anyone actually get stabbed. Correct, No, sir,
And the reason that you didn't initially share that video
that you made on the night of is because you
were afraid you might get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (04:08:29):
Right.

Speaker 8 (04:08:30):
I do not recall why I did not give it over.

Speaker 14 (04:08:33):
You knew that that video showed your friends engaged in
some assaulted behavior. Correct, Yes, sir, you didn't want your
friends to get in trouble, did you.

Speaker 12 (04:08:43):
I obviously did not want them to get in trouble,
But I do not recall if that was a reason
I did not give it over.

Speaker 14 (04:08:48):
Well, you say you obviously did not want them to
get in trouble. What's so obvious about them?

Speaker 12 (04:08:52):
Well, nobody ever wants their friends to get in trouble.
But that would not be the reason that I would
not hand the video over.

Speaker 14 (04:08:59):
But you didn't hand the video over immediately, did you. No, sir,
you had it on the night of the fourteenth, correct, Yes, sir,
you had it on the fifteenth. Correct. Yes, sir, you
talked with Officer Bitsco and Officer Staples.

Speaker 12 (04:09:10):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (04:09:11):
I do not recall officer Bitsko who that is, but
Officer Staples.

Speaker 14 (04:09:14):
Yes, I know that the Shelton d Correct. Yes, sir,
and then you went back again on the twentieth, and
that's when you talked with officer EA notty correct.

Speaker 12 (04:09:23):
I do not recall that officer's name, but I did
end up going back, Yes, sir, that's when you gave
them the video, right.

Speaker 8 (04:09:28):
I do not recall exactly which time I gave.

Speaker 4 (04:09:30):
Them the video.

Speaker 14 (04:09:31):
Did you share that video with anybody else?

Speaker 12 (04:09:34):
No?

Speaker 14 (04:09:35):
Sorry to not didn't post it on some social media?

Speaker 12 (04:09:39):
So that night the video was on a private story
and then deleted as soon as everything comed down.

Speaker 14 (04:09:45):
Let's talk about that the video was on a private story, Yes, sir,
it just got there on its own.

Speaker 4 (04:09:52):
No.

Speaker 12 (04:09:53):
I posted it on a private story and that's when
I put my phone back into my pocket.

Speaker 14 (04:09:58):
You posted that video so that night on your private story, Yes, sir.
How many people had access to it?

Speaker 4 (04:10:05):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (04:10:08):
All your friends.

Speaker 8 (04:10:10):
I do not recall exactly how many people have access.

Speaker 14 (04:10:12):
So do you let all of your friends have access
to your private stories? A.

Speaker 12 (04:10:21):
I do not recall exactly how many some of my
friends are in that.

Speaker 4 (04:10:24):
Some are not.

Speaker 14 (04:10:27):
When you posted it to your private stories, yes, sir,
you didn't give it to the police.

Speaker 9 (04:10:31):
Did you.

Speaker 4 (04:10:33):
No, sir.

Speaker 8 (04:10:33):
It was posted the night of and deleted almost immediately.

Speaker 14 (04:10:38):
Because you were afraid you might get in trouble.

Speaker 6 (04:10:41):
Right.

Speaker 12 (04:10:42):
I deleted the video upon realizing exactly excuse me, what
had happened that night, But no, not about getting in trouble.
Once I realized what had happened and what had occurred,
and we came to the realization that obviously there was
injured and Jimmy was severely wounded, the video was taken down.

Speaker 14 (04:11:03):
Well, but you posted it that night, right, I posted it.

Speaker 12 (04:11:09):
There's a button on Snapchat where if you just click
it once, it automatically posts. There's no second verification needed
or anything. So upon clicking that button, it was posted
to my story instantly, and then I put my phone
back in my pocket.

Speaker 14 (04:11:22):
You posted that video that night, right, Yes, sir. It
wasn't just posted on its own, No, sir, You did that, yes, sir,
rather than give that to the police, I did not
have a.

Speaker 8 (04:11:35):
Meeting with the police.

Speaker 12 (04:11:37):
I forgot about the video immediately when it was on
my story that night, upon first responders getting there and everything,
and then I remembered about the video. Did not recall
exactly when it was In the next few hours to
a friend of mine saying that the video was on
my story.

Speaker 14 (04:11:57):
You posted that video that night shortly after heard you
say yes, sir, right, yes, sir, And that was before
you realized how seriously mister McGrath was injured. Is that
fair to say, yes, sir, you posted that video because
that was a trophy. You wanted people to see what
had happened, because you didn't know yet how serious it was.

(04:12:18):
That's the truth, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (04:12:20):
No, sir, I posted the video. I do not recall
exactly why I posted the video, but I just posted it.
I wasn't really thinking.

Speaker 14 (04:12:29):
Did you post any other videos that night?

Speaker 8 (04:12:31):
I do not recall. I don't not polase so.

Speaker 14 (04:12:35):
But you didn't not give it to the police because
you were afraid that you might get in trouble.

Speaker 8 (04:12:42):
I do not recall exactly why I did not give
it to them.

Speaker 14 (04:12:45):
And you don't recall if you didn't give it to
the police because you didn't want to of your friends.

Speaker 4 (04:12:49):
To get in trouble. No, I do not recall exactly
why I did not.

Speaker 14 (04:12:54):
You don't recall anybody laying hands on that car that
you saw there, correct.

Speaker 12 (04:12:59):
I do not recall watching anything at the car. I
do not recall seeing that, and.

Speaker 14 (04:13:06):
You don't recall why you said, yes, sir, is that
what you told us? Nothing further? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (04:13:13):
All right?

Speaker 6 (04:13:16):
All right, Tanner a direct examination. When we spoke before,
and counsel just asked you about the phrase that you said,
they're back, let's let's reset. Okay, when the car, when
the Honda pilot first gets there, where are you first
gets there that night?

Speaker 12 (04:13:36):
When the Honda pilot first arrived, it was in the
middle of the street, and I was also in the
middle of the road, to the side of the mailbox.

Speaker 6 (04:13:44):
So you're saying this is say it's fifty two, it's
in the middle of street somewhere here maybe with the
with the yellow xes.

Speaker 11 (04:13:52):
Yes, let's say were right about it here, Okay, I.

Speaker 6 (04:13:55):
Was on the driver's side. So when you say that
it was in front of the mailbox, you're not saying
it's park in front of the mail right, So when
you're saying it's in front of the mailbox, it's somewhere
in front of the mailbox milm the street.

Speaker 11 (04:14:05):
Yes, in the middle of the street.

Speaker 4 (04:14:06):
Elements.

Speaker 6 (04:14:07):
So when you said on direct examination and then again
exploring on cross examination, whether the phrase that you used
their back did you misspeak at that moment? Is that
the first time they came to the to the house?

Speaker 12 (04:14:21):
No, so the first time they came to the house
was when the car was in the middle of the street.
I misunderstood what the defunded lawyer said when I said
they're back. Was after the car first drove away, and
I made it to the back of the cellar doors
upon me here.

Speaker 6 (04:14:37):
So, just so we're clear, cars in the middle of
the street, you go up, you're on the driver's side.
You see what you see, and then the car drives
off right, yes, sir. And after the car drives off,
you make your way back to the cellar doors right
upon the.

Speaker 4 (04:14:53):
Car driving off.

Speaker 12 (04:14:54):
Yes, I made my way to the back basement cellar doors.

Speaker 4 (04:14:56):
And when you made your.

Speaker 6 (04:14:57):
Way back to the cellar doors, how long did you
hang out there?

Speaker 4 (04:15:01):
I do not recall exactly. It was not too long.

Speaker 6 (04:15:04):
And at some point in time you heard their back, yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (04:15:10):
And at that point in time, what did you observe
about the car? Where was the car located?

Speaker 12 (04:15:18):
Once I heard the yelling their back, I proceeded to
go to the front, and.

Speaker 4 (04:15:23):
The car was.

Speaker 12 (04:15:26):
Relatively close to the mailbox or towards the yard this side.

Speaker 11 (04:15:33):
I'm gonna show you say it's exhibit sixty two. Can
you see this right here?

Speaker 4 (04:15:41):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 11 (04:15:42):
What does this appear to be down here on the
bottom part of the sixty two?

Speaker 4 (04:15:46):
It appears to be a parked car? Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:15:48):
And this up here with the lights on, what does
this appear to.

Speaker 4 (04:15:51):
Be a house across the street?

Speaker 6 (04:15:55):
This right here, this structure right here.

Speaker 8 (04:15:58):
That appears to be the dark condo pilot?

Speaker 10 (04:16:00):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (04:16:01):
So if this car do you recall we're this car
down here to the bottom of sixty two. Do you
recall that was part facing Adam's drive near the mailbox
or was it facing the other one?

Speaker 8 (04:16:16):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 6 (04:16:17):
But at some point in time when that when the
Hunter Pilot comes back, does it come back towards Adams
or going the other way?

Speaker 8 (04:16:24):
It came back and the car was going towards Adam
facing a m Yes.

Speaker 5 (04:16:29):
Sir, that's a defendant front of the hand of pilot.

Speaker 4 (04:16:31):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:16:33):
So is it at that moment when you heard, well
shortly before that moment when you heard their back, Is
that when you heard they're back. Yes, sir, okay, So
when we're referring to their back, you're referring to this
moment in time, just before the fight starts.

Speaker 12 (04:16:51):
When we were when I heard they're back, I was
already at these cellar doors, and that was right prior
to me walking out observing a fight on the front walk.

Speaker 6 (04:17:01):
The counsel asked you why you videoed that fight that night?
I mean, do you do a lot of video ing
on Snapchat?

Speaker 8 (04:17:07):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 4 (04:17:08):
Why do you do that? I'm not too sure.

Speaker 6 (04:17:12):
Why do you randomly video things?

Speaker 12 (04:17:17):
Yes, sir, Me and my friends always take videos like
a word to anything.

Speaker 4 (04:17:20):
Really, is that the.

Speaker 6 (04:17:21):
Whole purpose of Snapchat? What's the purpose of Snapchat?

Speaker 12 (04:17:23):
Why do you snapchat to send pictures and or videos
to friends? Or you could create a story which I
explained before.

Speaker 6 (04:17:32):
And is it common for you and your friends to
just whip your phone out and start videoing things or
taking pictures?

Speaker 4 (04:17:37):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:37):
And is it common for you and your friends on
Snapchat withdrawn? Do you do you use any other social
media apps?

Speaker 4 (04:17:44):
Yes, sir okay.

Speaker 6 (04:17:45):
And is it common for you and your friends to
use social media apps such as Snapchat to video things?
And post them to your to your snapchat account.

Speaker 8 (04:17:54):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:56):
Have you have you done that before?

Speaker 8 (04:17:58):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:59):
And when you've done that before? Did you do it
just kind of not thinking about it, just your video
something you just post it for the sake of posting it.

Speaker 8 (04:18:05):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (04:18:06):
And why do you do that.

Speaker 6 (04:18:10):
Really?

Speaker 8 (04:18:10):
Just catch memories? I would say, yeah, that's really right.

Speaker 6 (04:18:14):
So was it kind of one of those impulsive things
that you did?

Speaker 4 (04:18:19):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:18:19):
And when you posted it? Is that one of those
impulsive things when you posted I guess you said you
hit a button or something and it posted right away.

Speaker 4 (04:18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (04:18:27):
I do not recall exactly, but there is a button
on the main screen where if you hit it it
immediately it will post.

Speaker 6 (04:18:33):
Is that something that you've done in the past, Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (04:18:35):
Is that something that you've done in the past.

Speaker 6 (04:18:37):
When you kind of can do it without looking at
the screen or do you have to kind of watch
what you're doing and then hit something real quick?

Speaker 8 (04:18:43):
You have to kind of look at it.

Speaker 12 (04:18:45):
But if you quick add to story, we'll add to
your story.

Speaker 6 (04:18:48):
So when you posted this video that we watched today,
is that something that as soon as the video ended
you kind of posted it? And then kind of realized
what had happened.

Speaker 4 (04:18:58):
Yes, sir, now I have no for the questions, thank.

Speaker 15 (04:19:02):
You, Okay, any additional cost that just tells brief questions, Right,
I just want to make sure we've got this correct.

Speaker 14 (04:19:13):
Now, first time the car arrives, you're standing by the
rear passenger side. Correct.

Speaker 12 (04:19:25):
The first time that the car arrives in the middle
of the street, I was at the rear driver's side.

Speaker 14 (04:19:30):
Rear driver's side. Thank you for correcting me. You're standing
at the rear driver's side. You didn't see anybody else
surrounding the car.

Speaker 8 (04:19:37):
I do not recall exactly.

Speaker 14 (04:19:39):
You don't call anybody touching the car, even though you're
in arm's length away.

Speaker 8 (04:19:42):
Yeah, I do not recallie.

Speaker 14 (04:19:43):
I don't recall anybody rocking the car. I do not
recall you don't recall anybody damaging that car in any way.

Speaker 4 (04:19:49):
I do not recall.

Speaker 14 (04:19:52):
Car drives off, you go back to the cellar doors
for some time.

Speaker 4 (04:19:57):
Leave.

Speaker 14 (04:19:57):
You described that as being maybe twenty twenty five minutes.

Speaker 8 (04:19:59):
Right, I did not recall exactly how long it was
a little bit of time.

Speaker 14 (04:20:04):
When the car drove off, it headed down towards farmhouse lane, right, Yes, sir,
you stayed outside by the back cellar doors.

Speaker 8 (04:20:11):
Yes, sir, I was right on the stairs.

Speaker 14 (04:20:12):
If you didn't see any Shelton High kids go down
towards farmhouse lane, I.

Speaker 8 (04:20:16):
Do not recall seeing anybody.

Speaker 14 (04:20:18):
You don't recall hearing anybody go down towards farmhouse Lane
from Shelton Yme. No, sir, you don't recall see and
Tyler Rich go down there. No, sir, you don't recall
see Ricky Field will go down there, No, sir, nobody right, sir.
Second time you hear they're back right, Yes, sir, This
time the car is relatively close to the mailbox with
another car in front of it.

Speaker 12 (04:20:37):
Correct, as seen in the picture of the cars in
the middle of the street with a parked car parallel
to it.

Speaker 14 (04:20:43):
Yes, you were asked a whole bunch of questions on
redirect about randomly videoing things. Do you remember that, Yes, sir,
this wasn't randomly videoing something, was it.

Speaker 12 (04:20:53):
I do not recall exactly Upon seeing whites. Once I
made my way through the front yard, there was lights
and what appeared to be I thought other people were recording.

Speaker 8 (04:21:03):
Therefore, I just I started.

Speaker 14 (04:21:05):
At recording Yes, it wasn't random, right.

Speaker 6 (04:21:09):
It.

Speaker 8 (04:21:09):
I saw other lights, so I started recording. Upon coming
into the front yard.

Speaker 14 (04:21:13):
You saw lights, and that made you decide you needed
to record something.

Speaker 8 (04:21:16):
I thought the other people were recording.

Speaker 6 (04:21:19):
Ye.

Speaker 14 (04:21:21):
You told us that you record things to catch memories, right, yes, sir,
that's what you just told the state's attorney, to catch memories, right, Yes, sir.
This was a memory that you wanted to catch, wasn't it. No, sir,
this wasn't a memory that you wanted to catch.

Speaker 12 (04:21:40):
Upon walking out into the grass and seeing other lights,
I thought other people were recording, And in this day
and age, it's kind of just a first instincts.

Speaker 14 (04:21:50):
You recorded this because you wanted to catch this memory.
It's only after the fact, when you figured out what
had occurred, that you decided, maybe this isn't a memory
I'm going to keep anymore. The truth, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (04:22:01):
I do not recall exactly why I started this recording.
It was a spur of the moment, and I just
started recording.

Speaker 14 (04:22:10):
It wasn't to catch the memory of Shelton High kids
getting the better of the two Saint Joe's kids, No, sir,
did you say? Yes?

Speaker 10 (04:22:17):
Sir?

Speaker 8 (04:22:18):
I said, no, sir, nothing.

Speaker 4 (04:22:20):
Anything for nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:22:21):
For you're all set, okay, I said the witness stand,
please watch your stuff as you have said.

Speaker 7 (04:22:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:22:27):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to adjourn
for the day. I want to remind the jury before
we do that that you must abide by your rules
of juror conduct. I also describe to your instructions at
the beginning, at the beginning of the trial. So those
instructions that I gave to at the beginning of the
trial apply. You must abide by those rules. So tomorrow

(04:22:49):
is a court holiday. We will not be in session tomorrow.
That's Thursday Friday. We will also not be in session
for purposes of this trial. All right, So for the
purposes of the jurors, you will not need to be
here Thursday or Friday of this week. We will resume
evidence on Monday. Again, I cannot stress how important it

(04:23:12):
is that you abide by your obligations. You're going to
be going home to curious people. You're going to have
four days where you are going to have access to
social media and media, newspapers, local postings, and conversation. Please

(04:23:33):
do your best to avoid anything about this trial. Please
do not discuss anything about this trial or any issues
arising out of it with anyone, and we'll see you
back on Monday again. I also want to stress, do
not visit any of the locations that have been discussed.
Do not conduct any independent research or investigation into any

(04:23:55):
of the issues arising out of this trial. Your obligation
is to decide this case at the end of the trial,
based solely on the evidence presented here in this courtroom.
I expect that you take your oath seriously. I appreciate
the attention that you continue to give this trial. Enjoy
your weekend, have a safe weekend, and we'll see you

(04:24:17):
back Monday, same time. Thank you, whoord stands a journal
journey