Day 3

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I know that's optimistic.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
That's what's up. Like five people up there.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Good morning, Good morning everyone, you may be seated. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
All right, welcome back, counsel. Anything before we bring the
jury in.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Nothing from the state, not from that's wrong.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Very good, Thank you, Madam Clark.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Will bring our jurian all right, good morning, Welcome back,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury counts. I'd ask you
to stipulate to the presence of all of our jurors
here this morning.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Defense will stipulate your honor.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Okay, this is state prepared to call it stext oneness.

Speaker 6 (00:51):
We are your state calls Tyler rich to the same.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thank you, Thank you, good morning. Please come on up
into the witness box. Remain standing.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Madam Klok is going to put you on drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Please use your right an do you solvely smer for
solo mes sincerely affirm us the case.

Speaker 7 (01:14):
Maybe that the evidence you shall get turning this case.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Shove in the tree the whole shoot the troop.

Speaker 7 (01:20):
So I hope you got her upon penalty of perjury.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
That's thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:23):
Please state your full name, spelling.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Your last name, Tyler rich Ri I C. H.

Speaker 8 (01:28):
You state your address forty three Laurel Gun Drive Show, Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Thank you all right, you may be see. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Good morning, Tyler.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Do me a favorite. Keep your voice up.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
The acoustics are little bit badness because we have an
ACE unit that's that's running.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
So just sit close to that microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, no problem, Tyler.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
How old are you? I'm twenty one? And uh do
you work?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I do or? And what do you do for a living?

Speaker 6 (01:54):
I am a plumber?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
And how long have you been doing that?

Speaker 8 (01:58):
Since I graduated high school? I've done full And who
do you work for? I work for a family business.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And do you know where you're here today?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
I did?

Speaker 8 (02:08):
Why you're here today because of events that happened on
May fourteenth, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
And have you and I met before your testimony today?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
We have? And why did we meet?

Speaker 6 (02:20):
To go over those events?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
And I'm going to direct your attention to May fourteenth
to twenty twenty two?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
How old were you back then?

Speaker 6 (02:27):
I was eighteen at the time. And what school were
you in school? Yep, Chelton I And what year were you?
I was a senior?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Did you were you a graduating senior or a rising senior? No,
I was graduating, and I want to direct your attention
to your house.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Okay, showing your State's Exhibit four, so you're familiar.

Speaker 9 (02:48):
With the states Exhibit four.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I went to State's Exhibit four.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
That is my house and on May fourteenth to twenty
two was there? Did you have people at your house
that evening?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I did.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Can you please explain to the ladies and gentlemen the
jury the circumstances surrounding having people at your house earlier
that night?

Speaker 6 (03:09):
How did it start?

Speaker 8 (03:11):
It just started with a couple buddies at my house.
As time went on, a couple more of our buddies
ended up showing up, and some of our older friends
that were home for like the first weekend from their
freshman year of college, ended up coming by and they

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kind of just stuck around.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I guess what time would you say you had friends
initially come over?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
What time of day was I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
I'd probably say somewhere around like seven eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And when you had people come over the house, what
kind of things were you doing at the house.

Speaker 8 (03:48):
We were just hanging out in the basement, having normal conversations,
maybe drinking a few beers.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
And that night were you drinking?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
I had one or two, okay?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And I want to ask you, are you familiar with
an individual by the name of face on till?

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yes, I am? And how are you familiar with him?
I went to school with him.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
I played football with him, and I actually used to
give him a ride to school every morning.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Showing your stage fifty four, Do you know who this
individual is here?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes? I did that?

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Yeah, this phase on two. Are you familiar with an
individual by the name of Tommy Connor? I am? How
are you familiar with Tommy Connor?

Speaker 8 (04:35):
I went to school with him. We have mutual friends.
He's a year older than me, but we used to
hang out before he graduated.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
I show your stage fifty five?

Speaker 9 (04:49):
Can you tell us who is that in stage fifty five?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
This is Tommy Connery? Are you familiar with Ryan Hins?
I am? How are you familiar with Ryan Heins? I
went to high school with him.

Speaker 8 (05:02):
He played football and I was actually one of his
captains senior year on the football team.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Showing your stats fifty six?

Speaker 9 (05:11):
Can you tell us who is in state fifty six?

Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yes, this is Ryan Hines.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And finally, are you familiar with an individual by the
name of Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
I am, how are you familiar with Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 8 (05:23):
He's from Shelton. We grew up with the same friend group,
so we've always been around each other. Even though he
went to prep for high school, we still hung out
very often and had the same friend group. So and
he was one of my best friends prior to the
nwhow fifty seven?

Speaker 9 (05:45):
Who is in states fifty seven?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
This is Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Now are you familiar with Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 10 (05:54):
I am, how are you familiar with him?

Speaker 8 (05:57):
Grew up with him, same friend group, played football at him.
I was also his captain as well. But yeah, we're friends.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
How about Sal Perry, one of my.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
Best friends for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
What about Mike Sampierre? You know Mike Sampierre?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I do know Mike Sampeire. Do you know him?

Speaker 8 (06:18):
Also another good friend of mine for a long time.

Speaker 10 (06:21):
How about Alex Burnston Alex, I don't really know.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
The night all this happened was the first time I
ever met him.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
How about Charlie Connery.

Speaker 8 (06:32):
Charlie, Yes, that's Tommy's little brother. He was in the
grade under me.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
How about Jake Villa Lobos yep, one of my.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Best friends since first grade?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
How about Matt Lockerman, also one of my best friends
since we were little?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Now, the people I just mentioned were they present at
your house?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I May fourteenth and twenty two? Yes they were?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And did you invite them over?

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I did?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Now directing your attention to later on in that evening,
was there an occasion where Ryan Hines and Griffin Marcins?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Do you know Griffin?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
I did?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
How do you know Griffin?

Speaker 8 (07:16):
I was also his football captain my senior year as
well played football at Was there.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
An occasion that night where Ryan and Griffin came to
your house later on in the.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Night, So they did show up there.

Speaker 8 (07:30):
They told me that heines a big and jumped and
my response to them was I have too many people
here already. If you guys need to hang out here
and so you could get a ride, that is all right,
but you cannot stay.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
So what time of night was it when Ryan and
Griffin showed up?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Do you recall?

Speaker 6 (07:50):
I don't know exactly what time it was.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Was it light out or was it dark?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It was dark and.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
At that point time when Ryan and Griffin showed up
about how many people would you say at your house.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
At the point they showed up, everybody who had came
that night was already there, presides for Tanner and Alex
because I was told that the only reason they were coming.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Was to give them a ride from my house.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
So I would say there was probably about thirty people total.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
And did they're having a with drum when you had
these thirty people at the house?

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Were people drinking.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
At your house?

Speaker 11 (08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
A little bit. What kind of things people drink?

Speaker 8 (08:34):
There was just some beer there, maybe some of the
girls had some saucer's.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Nothing crazy.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
It wasn't an open keg, open cooler party as.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It was made to be by the media.

Speaker 8 (08:49):
But yeah, there was definitely people having a few beers.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now at some point in the evening, did you was
there an occasion where uh people showed up to your
house uninvited? Was can you please tell ladies and gentlemen
the jury the circumstances surrounding that.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
So after Heines and Griffin got there and I told
them they couldn't stay about I'm not sure exactly how
long after somebody came up to me and said, I supposedly.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Did you want to be heard on that I can
rephrase the push all right, so I'm going to I'll
sustain the objection.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
I didn't think we get out.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
We didn't get out anything that was actually said, so
I don't think there's anything to.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Strike, thank you.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
So without telling us what people said, we made aware
that somebody showed up to your house.

Speaker 8 (09:43):
Yes, it came to my knowledge that there was a
car full of kids outside.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Let me show your States Exhibited thirty.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
What kind of car was?

Speaker 8 (09:54):
It was a green Honda Pilot suv.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
State's thirty. Is that the vehicle that you were called
seeing that night?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
When that vehicle showed up to your house.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
States Exhibit nine.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
When when you were made aware that this car show
at your house?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Where were you at at that moment?

Speaker 8 (10:22):
I was still in the basement along with everybody else
at the time.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And at some point in time did you exit the basement?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
We did?

Speaker 8 (10:30):
How did you do that through the belco doors which
are on the right side of my house and kind
of in front of the driveways, But it's on the
right side of the house.

Speaker 9 (10:48):
Can you kind of pet more where the built.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
Of doors would be, so if you can see on
the right side of the house, there's a AC unit.
Just to the right of the AC unit, there's Bilco
doors that go into the basement.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
So Trump states five and the.

Speaker 12 (11:10):
The records can reflect, I'm pointing to what appears to
be an AC unit on the right side of the house,
just in front of which could be located in front
of the blue pickup truck in in a clearing uh
through the trees.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes, that's correct, so noted.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So when you came out with the Bilco doors, what
did you do when you came out the Bco doors.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
I walked down the driveway and we went across the street.
The first thing I noticed when we got near the
car was I was able to see through the windshield.
Tyler DeSilva poys you there, So I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Show you States States forty nine.

Speaker 13 (11:55):
Do you know where this car was parked when you
came up down the driveway?

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, so it was on the lower right hand side.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
Across the street, right there where you're pointing in front
of those trees.

Speaker 14 (12:09):
The record reflect prning to the lower right hand corner
where there are some trees on looks like the Laurel
Glynn on the right side and the curve of Laurel Glynn.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Is that is that correct? Ortal so noted on the record.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
So when you noticed the car park in that area,
what if anything did you do?

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Like I said, as I approached the car, I saw
Tyler Desoba through the windshield and he I know who
he is, given that his cousins. He used to live
down the street from me. So I immediately went to
the passenger side of the car to his window to

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talk to him and tell him that I don't know
why you guys are here. You are not welcome out
of my house and you need to leave.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
When when the car arrived, are you familiar with any
that type of group chat that may have been going on?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I was not.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
I came to find out later that there was a
group chack, but at the time of the event, I
was not familiar is it.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Did you have any knowledge that Tyler de Silva was
coming to your house that night?

Speaker 6 (13:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I did not at that point.

Speaker 9 (13:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, So you go up when you approach the car.
What side of the car do you approach it?

Speaker 8 (13:34):
I believe I went in front of the car and
I went to the passenger front window.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
So if you if you're approaching the.

Speaker 13 (13:42):
Cars parked on the side of the road here and
say it's forty nine. Is it facing Farmhouse Road or
is it facing Apps?

Speaker 6 (13:48):
It is facing farmhouse up the street.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
So you go to the passenger side, right, and where
is Tyler de Silva sitting?

Speaker 6 (13:55):
He is in the front passenger seat.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And you have a conversation with him.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yes, And what do you tell him?

Speaker 8 (14:01):
I tell him that I'm not sure why you guys
are here, but you cannot stay here and you.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Need to leave.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
And did the car leave at that point? No, it
did not did at that point in time? Did you
notice anybody else in the car.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
At that point in time, I was able to hear
people start to argue on the other side of the car,
So I kind of looked through from the passenger window
to like the back driver's side of the car, and
I was able to see Mackenzie Trafficancy and a Raoul

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Valley in the back seat.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Now are you familiar with McKenzie traffic Canty?

Speaker 6 (14:47):
I am.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
How are you familiar with her?

Speaker 8 (14:50):
We grew up together. We were friends when we were
younger before high school.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Did you go to school together?

Speaker 15 (14:56):
We did.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Did you go to high school together? No?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
We did not you know what school she went to.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
She went to Saint Joe's.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And you mentioned Raoul Valley. Is mister Valley president in
Courtum today he is? And what is he wearing?

Speaker 6 (15:09):
A blue suit?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Can you point him off with the winds drummer, durd
You remember the record reflect the witnesses identified the defendant
in this case?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
All right, Cord, let the wrapper reflect that, thank you.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
And when you noticed Mackenzie and the defendant, did you
notice anybody else in the car at that moment?

Speaker 8 (15:25):
I noticed that there was other kids in the car,
just not sure exactly who they were, but there were
more kids in the car. Yeah, probably two or thirty.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And when you're talking to Tyler d Silva and you're
telling him to leave the argument, tell me about the
argument that goes on on the other side of the
car with drawing. When you notice Mackenzie and the defendant
in the car, where were they seen?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I believe she was in.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
Basically the middle of the back seat and he was
to the driver's side window of the back seat.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
From what I recall, he seated behind the driver I believe,
so okay and unicated. There was some arguing going on.
Do you know who was doing the arguing.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
No, I did not.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
When you heard that there.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Was arguing going on on the other side of the car,
what if anything, did you do next?

Speaker 8 (16:20):
I walked around the front of the car again to
see what was going on over there. And at that time,
as I came around the front of the car, I
saw something like get swung.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Out the window. I wasn't exactly sure what it was
at that.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
Point, and then I heard glass shatters, so I knew
it was a glass bottle.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
What side of the car that came out.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Of that came out of the driver back window?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
And when that happened, What if anything happened next?

Speaker 8 (16:51):
After that happened, some of my friends started yelling things
and rocking the car.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
How many how many of your friends were near the
car at this.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Meeting, Probably a good fifteen to twenty of us.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
When when this interaction is going on?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
What's the lighting leg out?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
It was dark, but there's lights on.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
The house and the house across the street, so I
was able to see everything in front of me, no problem.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
When you and your friends approached the vehicle, did you
have any weapons on you?

Speaker 8 (17:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
When your friends started screaming and shaking and kicking the car,
tell us what happens next.

Speaker 8 (17:37):
So at that point I knew it was getting very chippy,
and I was trying to prevent anything else from going on.
So I kind of got in Jack Schneider's window, who
was driving the car.

Speaker 11 (17:54):
And.

Speaker 8 (17:56):
I was telling him, you need to leave you, you
need to drive out of here right now, and he
wasn't listening to me, so I kind of proceeded to
reach in the car towards the shifter and telling him,
put your car in drive and leave now.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
And what happened when you did that?

Speaker 8 (18:14):
He just started rolling his window up on me, so
I kind of had to pull my arms and stuff
back out, and then finally we heard the car click
into gear and they drove up the street.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Going very fast.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
And as they were going up the street, we noticed
that they were throwing cans and anything it seemed like
they could find in the car out the window, and
they were actually throwing it at other cars that were
parked on the street. So they went up the street

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doing that, and we kind of took a step back,
and I was able to take a breath and relax,
thinking that they had left.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
Where you can use this where they which way they drove? Now?

Speaker 9 (19:05):
Did you recognize the states?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
One? I do, okay?

Speaker 6 (19:07):
And this this house here with the red dot act
you know? Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Can you tell ladies and gentlemen the jury which way
they drove up?

Speaker 8 (19:16):
So they went from here up the street this way.
And as they went up the street, we there was
some cars parked here and here. Maybe things are getting
thrown at the cars there.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
And then they continued up the street.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And when they continued up the street, what if anything
were you thinking at that moment as to with regards
to where the car was going.

Speaker 8 (19:42):
My first thought at that moment was okay, good these kids.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Last did they leave? They did not.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Maybe a minute later we saw the headlights coming back
in the other direction, and all the stuff that they
had thrown out of the car was being picked up
by my friends.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
And as they came back down the street, some of my.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Friends whose cars got hit and stuff started to throw
things back.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
What kind of things were what kind of things were
thrown from the car that you guys.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
I know some cans like beer cans, and I think
that was really it. The first time they went up
the street.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
And when they came back down the street. That's when
your friends picked up the cans that were throwing you
threw them back correct, Okay? And then what happened once
they came back towards your house?

Speaker 8 (20:43):
So they went up, they came back the second time
some of the way. The first time they went up
the street, they went outway. They came back the second time,
some of my friends started throwing things back.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Then I believe they actually made.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
The corner onto Adams and they went up Adams. And
then there was a third time. They came back by again.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And what happened when they came back a third time,
they were.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
Still throwing stuff out of the car.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
It kind of seemed like they were like going through
the trunk of the car to find whatever they could
to throw. And there was a can of WD forty
and a few other things thrown out of the car
at that time.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And when those things were thrown out of the car,
what if anything, did you do next?

Speaker 8 (21:30):
I actually picked up the can of WD forty and
noticed that as the car went down the street, it
kind of stopped right here on the corner of Laurel
Glenn and Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
And when you picked up the can of WD forty
and noticed the car stopped down the street near the
corner of farmhouse late in Lorldland.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
What did you do me, Ricky?

Speaker 8 (21:57):
And I believe somebody else ran down the street, and
as I ran down the street.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I yelled, let's go, you pussy's.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
And through the car or through the can at the
back of the car, and then proceeded to tell them
get back in their car and please to leave my house.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Did you notice anybody outside the car when you went
down the street?

Speaker 8 (22:21):
I did notice a couple of kids outside the car,
but I wasn't really paying attention exactly who it was.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
When you went down the street, how many of your
friends would you say went with it? You said you,
Ricky and another individual.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I believe that was it, okay?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
And when you went down the street, did you have
any conversation with any of those kids that got out
of the car.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Besides for just kind of yelling to get back in
their car and get out of here.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, when you went down the street and you were
screaming down the street, you were screaming down the street.
Did you engage any physical altercation with anybody from.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
The car down the street?

Speaker 9 (23:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
He did not when you went down the street. Aside
from throwing the w D forty can back at the car,
did you have any other any weapons on you at though?

Speaker 16 (23:11):
No.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you know if Ricky Fiola had any.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Weapons on him?

Speaker 6 (23:14):
He did not.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
After you threw the w D forty can at the car,
What if anything, did you do next?

Speaker 8 (23:25):
I started to walk back to the house because people
were still outside and I was trying to get everyone
to go back inside the house.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
And as I was walking, the playing for a second.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
So at some point in time you tell them to
get out and you start walking back to the house.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Correct. Okay, I'm gonna show.

Speaker 17 (23:45):
You State's exhibit waiting for So you heard the individual.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yelling that was you?

Speaker 6 (24:18):
That was correct, and.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's at some point withdrawn head. That video only captured
a certain section of of what occurred down the street. Yeah, correct,
after you had a conversation with well, do you remember
who you had a conversation with down the street? Not
specifically now, uh, but the the overall message you were

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you were giving when you got down.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
There was was that they needed to leave.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And at some point in time, you say, you walk
back down towards your house. I did okay, And that
means you're going back from farmhouse road back down towards.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Adams, correct.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
And when you're going back towards your house, what if
any thing happens when you're walking back.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
So as I started to walk, one of the kids
down there picked that can of WD forty up and
threw it at me again.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
So I picked.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
The can up and continued to walk towards the house,
which is when the defendant came off the side of
the bushes and was approaching me, and I told him
to get the f out of here, and then I
proceeded to tell him not to come near me, and
instead of saying anything, he kept approaching me. So I

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used the can of WD forty to distance myself and
kind of just started spraying it in his direction, which
stopped him in his tracks.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
And then I.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
Didn't engage anything else with him.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
I continued walking back to the house and telling everybody
else that they needed to go back inside.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
And when you say he came out of the bushes,
you recall where on the street he came out of the.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
Yeah, so like he came from these bushes right here.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
On the edge.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
He like came off the side of them, And as
I was walking, I like heard a stick or something break,
so I had turned my head and that's when he
was approaching.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
And how is his demeanor as he was approaching.

Speaker 8 (26:17):
He was just walking towards me with a straight face
and not saying anything, but as if he was approaching
me to try and start something.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And how many times did you have to kind of
tell him to multiple times? And at some point you
sprayed him with w W I did, and his reaction
to that was what.

Speaker 8 (26:41):
He kind of just stood there and I proceeded to
walk away.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Did you engage in any physical altercation with the defendant?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
No? I did not.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
When you walked away, you went back to your house.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I did.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And when you went back to your house, you indicated
that you told people to get back inside.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
I did.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And when you did that, what happened next? Did you
go inside?

Speaker 8 (27:04):
Everybody started to make their way back into the house,
and yes, I did go inside as well.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now, when you walk back down the street, unicated that
earlier that you had originally walked down the street with
Ricky Fiola and another individual. Do you know whether or
not Ricky Fiola or that other individual came back before
you or after you.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
So I walked back first, knowing that Ricky was still
down there, that he was going to make sure that
they left, which is what I figured.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
What had happened.

Speaker 8 (27:35):
I never thought that they were going to keep coming
back when they had every.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
Opportunity to leave.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
So Ricky, I believe, stayed down there, and I'm not
sure who else.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
At some point in time, did Ricky come back to
the house, if you can workle.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
I don't recall him coming back inside, but he did
walk back to the front yard.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay, at some point time, did you go back inside
your house?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I did?

Speaker 6 (28:02):
And when you went back inside your house, where did
you go? I went into the basement through the Billco door.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I did.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
And how long would you say you were inside the
basement before the next series of events occurred.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
I'm not sure exactly how long, but it had only
be within minutes when somebody started yelling that they were
back and that they were in the front yard.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And when you when you when you went.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
When you heard that they were back and they were
in the front yard, what did you do?

Speaker 8 (28:35):
I proceeded to walk back outside the Boco doors because
it was made to my knowledge that they were now
on my property, and I walked straight outside and saw
the defendant and mister Da Silva standing on my yard,
and the car was in the street, still running with

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the driver in it.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
Still forty nine.

Speaker 13 (29:01):
Here, can you indicate where you saw the car park
when you came outside?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, so it was.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
If you're looking from the front of the house, it
was kind of like to the right of the mailbox,
but there was a few cars parked there, so it
was like in the middle.

Speaker 9 (29:18):
Of the road, probably right here.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
The yeah, I got there.

Speaker 18 (29:22):
Okay, So now the record of reflect that I'm h
SAT's forty nine and I'm just to the right of
the mailbox in front of forty three World last, pointing
towards the center of the street.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
All right, cordial allow the records. So reflect So.

Speaker 13 (29:38):
When you noticed the car there when you came out
the Builgo door, what.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
What path of did you walk out? Which way did
you walk out?

Speaker 8 (29:44):
How did you get to where you I went in
this picture here basically what would have been behind the
black truck or in front of the blue truck under
the tree line and stayed on the grass and came
down the side of the driveway.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
If I show you.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
Six stay six.

Speaker 13 (30:05):
Did you come out and walk kind of down this
way down along the cobblestone here?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
That's correct, yes, on the grass.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
Ye, the record to reflect you're on pointing towards the
to the left.

Speaker 19 (30:16):
Of the red bush on the left side of the cific,
just to the right of the passenger side of the
blue truck, walking along to cobblestone on the grass.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
All right, Coral reflected on the record, thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
And when you got there, where did you notice Hyler
of de Silva?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
He was.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Kind of in front of that cement box near the
mailbox almost.

Speaker 9 (30:42):
Show fifty two.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
This will help you.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Can you show on fifty two where you notice that
mister de Silva.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
He was about somewhere in this area here, I would say.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Okay, And you notice the defendant on your front one
as well I did.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
And where where did.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
You notice to the defendant at that point?

Speaker 8 (31:01):
So Tyler was around here somewhere and Lido was.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I was facing the other way, so he was.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Kind of off to my left, like around here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, So the record can reflect in stays fifty two
year ound and he's talking. Teler is located just behind
the mail box on the grass.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Area below what is now a tree.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
In the in the exhibit, and that he's indicating the
defendant was somewhere in the just next to the left
red bush near just to the right of the cement square.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Yeah, it's correct, but I believe me and Tyler de
Silva were a little bit closer to the cement box
when I was talking.

Speaker 9 (31:49):
Where the tree is?

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah around there.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
Stage fifty two. Was this tree in your front one back?

Speaker 6 (31:57):
And it was not some more recent vision?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Right?

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
So when you noticed the defendant and mister Silva on
your front lawn, if anything, did you do.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
When when you notice them on your lawn?

Speaker 8 (32:12):
So again, I approached Tyler to Silva because I knew
who he was, and I've known his.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Cousins for a long time.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
And basically he was telling him, not in a nice manner,
but that he needed to get the f off my
property and get back in the car and leave.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
And that is when.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
He decided to continue to argue with me.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
And I said right to him, dude, I have known
your family and your cousins for a very long time.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Please get back in your car and don't do this.

Speaker 8 (32:51):
And he then responded and told me to go f
myself and that I didn't know anything about his family
and shoved me backwards.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Now, when that happened, how many were there a lot
of people outside?

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yes, how many people?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Would you say? We're outside?

Speaker 8 (33:06):
Pretty much everybody there? So about twenty to thirty.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And when when you were talking to Tyler de Silva,
who is near you at that moment?

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Do you recall?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I do not recall.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Do you recall was there anybody close to the defendant
while this was going on?

Speaker 8 (33:24):
There was a few kids near the defendant at the time.
I'm not sure exactly who, but I do know that
Tye Wood was one of those kids.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
And how do you know ty Woo?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Our families are very close.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
His brother, his older brother, and my older brother played
football together. I've known each other forever. I played football
at Tye. I was his captain when he was a
sophomore and I was a senior. And I've also coached
his younger brother's team. But tie is about as close
to a younger brother as it gets for me, and

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I look at him as my younger brother.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And when you noticed that ty Wood was near the defendant,
did you notice anybody else near the defendant?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
At this moment, I.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Did, but I couldn't tell exactly who. I believe Heines
was over there as well.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And when you say Heines, Ryan Heines, correct And tell
the ladies and gentlemen the jury. When you were arguing
back and forth with Tyler d Silva, what if anything happened?

Speaker 8 (34:26):
So as I was saying, he proceeded to tell me
to go f myself and that I didn't know anything
about his family, and then got physical with me and
shoved me backwards.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
And I didn't go right at him or anything.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
But now that he had shoved me back, Lito was
more so in my vision, not so peripheral to me,
so I was able to see him better, and he
was only a few feet away. And this is when
I saw ty Wood had his head turned and Leto

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went to swing on him, so I stepped up into
it and punched him in the face instead.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
What prior to punching the defendant in the face was
the defendant having any type of argument or any type.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of ye with anybody.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
They were getting chippy over there.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, when you say chippy, what does that mean?

Speaker 8 (35:25):
Like?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
They were arguing in a.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Not a nice man and did it.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
From your perspective when you saw the defendant get chippy
with uh your other friends on that to the left
of you, Did it appear that the defendant was trying.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
To act peacefully?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Not at all.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Did it appear that Tyler de Silva was trying to
act peacefully?

Speaker 6 (35:49):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And when you when you punched the defendant in the face,
why did you do that?

Speaker 8 (35:54):
I did that to defend Tyewood. Like I said before,
he is like a little brother to me. So when
I had the opportunity to prevent him from being blindsided
in the head, I stepped up and took the shot
that I needed to.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And once you punched the defendant in the face, what
happened next?

Speaker 8 (36:15):
I immediately was getting punched in the back of the
head by Tyler Desova.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So I turned around.

Speaker 8 (36:22):
And me and him kind of ended up in like
a scuffle, and it went to the ground where he
actually ended up on top of me.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
And when he ended up on top of you, what
if anything was happening?

Speaker 6 (36:41):
What were you doing?

Speaker 8 (36:43):
When we first got down on the ground, he was
throwing shots at me still, so I kind of tied
him up and held his arms so that he couldn't
swing at me, and that was kind of the only
thing I saw from there on out.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
At that point in time, did any did you have
any weapons on you?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Did you notice if any of your friends had any
weapons on them?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Did you notice anybody there during that interaction have any
weapons on them?

Speaker 20 (37:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I did not, And at some point in time did
Did the fight end?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (37:18):
How it ended?

Speaker 8 (37:20):
So I was on the ground with Tyler from that
point forward. Eventually he was pushed off of me into
the street, and at that point I had gotten up,
and that is when Tommy Connery came and approached me
and told me that he was bleeding and needed stitches

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because he had just been stabbed.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
How would you describe the fight?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
It was very quick and it was just chaotic.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
But like I said, from my perspective, I couldn't see
much because of how fast I ended up on the ground.

Speaker 11 (37:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Do you know how how many people were fighting with
Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It was it was just.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
Me on the ground with him, and then I believe
some kids were standing over watching and a few kids
may have THROWNE a few punches as well.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Once the fight started and you and you punched the defendant.
Did you notice what happened to the defendant or any
of you?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Have you seen the.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Video relations of the states?

Speaker 9 (38:21):
I have States exhibit.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
Now?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Uh, do you call anybody yelling he's got a head
a knife?

Speaker 6 (38:38):
I do? And when you heard that? What, if anything
did you did you do when you heard that?

Speaker 8 (38:45):
At that point, I was just getting up off the ground,
and that's when Tommy had said he was stabbed, so
I started tendering aid to him.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
I'm show your States Exhibit sixty one this day, still
shot from the video you just watched. Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Tyler?

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Yes? I can.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
This individual to the left here with books appears to
be a white shirt, maybe pink shorts, the phone in
his hand.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I do? That is Ricky Fiela.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
Showing you Stay sixty two. Do you know who this
is the video?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I do?

Speaker 6 (39:30):
That is the defendant showing you State sixty three.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And to point to this individual here with the green
shirt blacked the shorts with white trim, do you know.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Who that is? That is Ryan Hines.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
This guy here with the white shirt and the black
shorts to his immediate right, do you know who that is?

Speaker 6 (39:48):
I believe that is South Perry. And the guy with
the green with the no shirt on and the jeans on,
you know who that is?

Speaker 8 (39:55):
That is the kid Alex Brunson. I believe that came
with Tanner that night.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Yes, this guy here with the black shirt, jeans on,
red hat.

Speaker 9 (40:04):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
That is Mike sam Perry.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
This individual with the kneeling on the ground with what
appears to be their shirt pulled up?

Speaker 9 (40:12):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 6 (40:13):
That is Tyler de Solo?

Speaker 9 (40:14):
And if that is Tyler Deasilbo.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Can you see yourself in this picture?

Speaker 8 (40:18):
Not really maybe a little bit just to the left
of like his lower back, you might see a little
bit of me, but.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
That is me on the ground and he's on top
of you, correct.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Showing you state sixty four?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Do you know who this individual is right here with
the white shirt, black shorts the right.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Of that, I believe that is Charlie Connery And again
sixty five, same individual, Charlie Connery.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
I'm going to show your state's sixty six.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Do you know who this individual is right here with
what appears to be a white shirt and tan shorts.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
That is Jacob Villa Lobo.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
How about this guy here with no shirt on with
what appears to be camoufly shorts, Matthew Akovich.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And do you know who this individual is here with
the blue shirt, white shorts.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yes, that is Jimmy McGrath's.

Speaker 9 (41:15):
State sixty seven.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Again, this individual here appears to be pushing.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Tyler de Silva Jacob Elles.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
State sixty eight.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
This individual appears to be their shirt.

Speaker 9 (41:28):
Pulled up, the jeans on.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
That is Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
With this individual to the left, you know.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
And that is the defendant to the left. And last
is the sixty nine person in the.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Street here, Tyler DeSilva.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Again, who does this appear to be with the stark
shirt and white shorts.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
That is Jimmy McGrath's.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Now, when when Tommy indicated to you that he needed stitches,
what if anything did you do next?

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Somebody had thrown us in his shirt or something, and
we began tying off his legs where the stab wounds
were on his one leg.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
When you noticed that Tommy was stabbed, did you notice
what if anything happened with Tyler de Silva and the
defendant during this during this period of.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
Time, No, I did not I Uh, My focus wasn't
on them, so I never even saw the car drive away.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
At that point in time when you were rendering aid
to Tommy, did you notice anything else going on around?

Speaker 8 (42:29):
At first I began to try and call nine one
to one, and then I.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Let my father know what had happened.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
But until after I got off the phone with him,
I hadn't realized that anybody else had been stabbed yet
except for Tommy. Upon getting off the phone and walking
back up to the yard, I noticed that there was
multiple kids on the ground, and that is when I
realized that where kids had actually been stabbed, and not

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just Tommy.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Who were the other three that were stabbed?

Speaker 8 (43:05):
It was Faison Teal had like a slice, and Ryan
Hines had been stabbed a few times. And sorry it
was so it's Jimmy, Hines, Tommy, and Faison.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So you know Jimmy was stabbed. Yes, what did you
notice about about Ryan Hines? Did you observe it?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
He gets an opportunity to observe it.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
I didn't see him at first.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
He was actually the last person I was informed with
stab because I believe he was in.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
The house when they had realized he had gotten stabbed.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And did you know what did you notice, if anything
about Jimmy.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
I began to tender aid to him along with sal Perry,
and upon realizing how severe his wound was and having
to see him struggle for his last breats, I had
to take myself away from the situation and sat on

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my back steps and waited for law enforcement to get there.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
And you said you called your father, was was any
parents home?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
No?

Speaker 8 (44:18):
So my mom was on a trip in Cape Cod
and my dad had left before anyone came over because
he had plans for the night.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
And at some point in time did did law enforcement
actually arrive?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
They did?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And when they.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Arrived, did you speak with law enforcement? I did?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And did you give a statement in regards to this case?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I did?

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Subsequently, did you did you observe what, if anything was
going on with with withdrawing? Did you notice if a
MR or EMTs arrived on the scene to render any assistance?

Speaker 8 (44:53):
They did, But I believe the cops were there first.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
And after the cops arrived, the AMR came Yes, okay,
And do you recall what this scene was like when
when first responders got there?

Speaker 8 (45:10):
It was very hectic at that point, there was some siblings, parents,
and a lot of concerned family members that had actually
lived close by that I had gotten there before, So
it was just more people showing up because everybody was
coming to check on either their loved ones or their friends.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Now, after you gave an initial statement that night to police,
did you give a subsequent statement.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
To the police.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
Sorry, we interviewed more than once in relation to this case.
I was yes, And why.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Were you interviewed more than once in relations in this case?

Speaker 8 (45:50):
There was something in my original statement that night about
me seeing the defendant with the knife or not that
they called me back in to clarify.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
And did you, in fact you call what you said
to the police?

Speaker 8 (46:05):
Originally I think I had said that he was flashing
a knife or something, but I had to go back
in to clarify that I actually never saw the knife.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
So why would you have said in your original statement
that he was flashing.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
Back because somebody else had said that they had seen
him flashing the knife.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So you were just kind of reiterating with somebody else.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
They may have a moment you're on. I have no
further question. You're want to thank you Smith. Thank you.
It's not bigger.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, no objection, no objection.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
You know, a man approached the witness and exhibit that
s mark for ideas. I understand that there's not going
to be any objections.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
There's no objection from the state your honor.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
All right. What is the exhibit number?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Exhibit number is defense A.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Okay, don't you make it full? Don't make it?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yes, I've moved to have it made a full exhibit.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
All right, quartel accept into evidence defense a full exhibit.

Speaker 9 (47:05):
Thank you, Thank you, one of miss Come on, we've
never met before.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
No, I am going to show you if you'll look
here on the screen what has been marked as exhibit A.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Can you see that.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
They're on your screen?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (47:26):
I can.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Sorry, I think that's kind of upside down, right, that's
more the orientation.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
It should be.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, that works.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
That's sort of the.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Same orientation as the one to find you there at
the exhibit one. Would you agree this is a larger
map of your neighborhood?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah? I would walk behind you. Just get this exibit
down here.

Speaker 21 (47:46):
When we say a larger map, that's in reference.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
To this exhibit one, right, correct?

Speaker 9 (47:56):
That shows the entire neighborhood, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, the one here on the screen exhibit A yes,
And so would you agree, mister rich that your neighborhood
is made up of a couple of through streets or
streets that run the whole way through and then there
are a number of cul de sacs or dead ends
that come off of those through streets.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Yeah, that's accurate.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Is Adams Drive one of those through streets? Or is
that a cul de sac at some point?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I know it's a cul de sac at the bottom there? Okay?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Is Laurel Glenn Drive also a cul de sac on
the either end?

Speaker 6 (48:31):
Yeah, on the very end of it it is?

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Is Farmhouse Lane a cul de sac? Or is that
a through street? No, that's a through street. Okay, Now
you know that because you're familiar with this neighborhood and live.

Speaker 9 (48:43):
There how long.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Since I was about four years old.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And I want to go over some of what you've
been telling us today. You would agree some of what
you told us today you've never told anybody else before. Right, No,
I wouldn't agree that. You would not agree to that.
Who else did you tell about the ken of w
D forty?

Speaker 8 (49:09):
I have told the States detectives and whenever it has
been asked about.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
I have been telling them about.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
It whenever it has been asked about now.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
The So that was something that I couldn't fully remember
the night of having the trauma of everything else. It
was more so the main event of what happened on
the front yard. That was something that had come back
to me later on. But as soon as I had
remembered it and was in any kind of interview again,

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I had brought it up and told them about it.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Would you be surprised to learn, sir, that that did
not ever appear in any of the statements that you
gave prior.

Speaker 8 (49:56):
No, I would not, because, as I said, those statements
were prior to me being able to remember that.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So you've remembered it now today?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, Sam, prior to this, you didn't remember it when
you gave a statement on May fifteenth at twelve forty
three am that you wrote in your own hand right
the following day, twelve forty three am on the fifteenth,
That's right, No, I did not, and that was your
own hand written statement, correct, I believe.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
So didn't mention the Canada w D forty then, did you?

Speaker 7 (50:24):
No?

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Because I hadn't remembered it, right.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
You spoke with Officer Nimpart, you didn't tell him anything
about the w D forty can Correct?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
When was that also on the fifteenth of May.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
No, And then again on the fifteenth of May, when
you spoke with Officer Gidden, you didn't mention anything about
this can of WD forty dig.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
You No, So on the fifteenth of May, that was
not something I had.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Recalled, and it wasn't something that you we recalled when
you spoke again to Officers Bitco and Staples at eleven
twenty five am with your father in your living room,
no mention of that canda w D four.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Correct, not that I recall it, but what day was
at the fifteenth?

Speaker 8 (51:06):
So yeah, any anything on the fifteenth. I had no
recollection of that on the.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Fifteenth, And then again when you spoke with Officers Bengo
and I and Adi on the eighteenth because they wanted
to clarify. As you've said your statement, you didn't mention
anything about the w D forty at that.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Date either, did you? No?

Speaker 6 (51:22):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
But you're telling us about the Canada WD forty.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
Today, correct, Because once I recalled it, I have.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Not tried to hide it or anything at all.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Okay, So you were telling us that this party at
your house began sometime in the area of seven to
eight o'clock that day on the fourteenth.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Correct. Yeah, around that time.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
You were hanging out in the basement.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Correct. Correct.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
What was going on in the basement was maybe drinking
a few few beers, right.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
I definitely No, I had one or two, and I
do know that there was other kids drinking as well.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Okay, so it wasn't maybe drinking a few beers.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
There was beers being drunk.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
No, I said I drank a few beers.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
You said that maybe people were drinking a few beers.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
No, people were drinking a few beers. There was definitely
drinking a few beers. Definitely had a few beers.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yes, you yourself only had one or two. Yes, you
sure about that?

Speaker 6 (52:26):
I'm positive.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
How are you suppositive about that?

Speaker 8 (52:28):
Because I know I didn't drink more than that.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
It was my house.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
I already had more people show up than we're supposed
to be there. I was making sure that everything stayed
under control.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
But when you say everything stayed under control, you were
eighteen at the time. I was, so you were breaking
the law by drinking those one or two beers.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, but you considered that to be keeping things under control.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
I mean, we're dumb high school kids.

Speaker 8 (52:58):
I think everybody but he's had a few beers in
high school. But I think I also had everything in
control until the point where the defendant and the car
for his friends arrived at the house.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
It was all under control until that. Did you tell
your folks that you're going to be having this party
over at the house that night?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
No?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Mom was going to kid god, yes, and Dad was
out somewhere.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
He told us that you had a few folks there
that you identified.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
One of those was faced on Teal correct.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Another one was Tommy Connery correct, Ryan Hines correct, and
Jimmy McGrath correct. And you said that as far as
those four folks go, these were kids that you had
all grown up with, played football with friends with correct.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
And the same goes for Ricky Fiola. You grew up
with him, he was part of your friend group and you.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Played football together.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
So Pry had been your best friend for a long time.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Michael Sampierri just a good friend for a long time.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
And then he told us that one kid who was
there that you didn't really know the first time you
met him. That was Alex Bernson, correct, Yes, it was
Alex Bernson. Came with Tanner Tcheranowski, right. Yes, how did
you know Tanner Tchernowski.

Speaker 8 (54:19):
I've grown up with him around the same mutual friends
and we went to high school together.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
But we are friends.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yes, you were due to graduate that may correct or
that June.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
And Tanner Chanowski he'd already graduated.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Yeah, he's still year above me.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Alex Bernson, he'd already graduated.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Tommy Connery he had already graduated, Yes, he did. He
told us that you also knew Griffin Marsin's it correct, Ye,
And you learned somehow. You told us that Ryan's Hines
had been, as you described it, jumped early that night.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
Correct. Correct.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
But you told us you hadn't learned anything about a
group chat that was going on.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
I had no idea that there was any text messaging
being sent back and forth. All I knew was that
they had come to my house, Ryan and Griffin, and
I was told that they were having Tanner come get
them with his friend.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Alex, and that everybody was already there. Except for Tanner
and Alex.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
So Tanner Alex were the last two that showed up,
and obviously before them it was Griffin and Hines.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And so at that point, before Tanner and Alex show up,
there were about thirty people at your house total.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Yeah, there was about thirty, but I would say probably
only eighteen to twenty of them were boys, and there
was probably about ten to twelve girls who obviously didn't
partake in anything that happened that night.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay, eighteen to twenty boys, and then we also have
to add in Tanner and Alex when they get there.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (56:04):
Well, that eighteen to twenty I would say is with them.
But if you want to say another too on top,
I guess that's okay.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Too fair to say.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
You didn't count the folks that were there right, not
that night.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Now, So when you say eighteen to twenty or twenty
two you're guessing is that.

Speaker 8 (56:23):
I don't even know how many people on it from
the both parties and went through it and was able
to identify. I believe it was thirty two total people.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
That were there.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Okay, so there were thirty.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I could be wrong on.

Speaker 8 (56:37):
That exact number, but it was definitely somewhere in the thirties.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And that was based on a list of names that
the police gave you. Correct, You didn't give them the names.

Speaker 8 (56:48):
No, they had names from statements and other names that
have come up through the night.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Then you said, yeah, there may have been a little
bit of drinking, just beer and Seltzer's, but not what
it was made to be by the media. What did
you mean by that?

Speaker 8 (57:03):
Correct, This wasn't an alcohol fueled seventy to one hundred
person party. This was just a big group of friends
catching back up and we were casually drinking a few beers.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
We weren't.

Speaker 8 (57:21):
Throwing cans around and drinking bottles of vodka and all that.
We were just casually having a few drinks.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
But initially you didn't tell the cops that there had
been this drinking going on there.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, when you spoke to them that night and gave
them your handwritten statement, you didn't write anything in that
statement about drinking going on at the party.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I do not believe so why not?

Speaker 8 (57:52):
Like I said, the main focus that night was twenty
minutes after a traumatic event where I watched four of
my best friends get stabbed and I had, unfortunately had
to watch one of them bleed out in my front yard.
So at the given time of that statement, the main

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priority was to get the key details of what happened
in the front yard down.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Or to shape the story right, to protect yourself and
to protect your friends.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
No, sir, you.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Weren't afraid that anybody might get in trouble if there
was admission of drinking going on that evening.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
No, sir, but that's not under my control, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
So you weren't afraid of that possibility, or you recognized
it wasn't under your control, And so you did.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
I mean that the cops were there, the law was
there if they felt that it was something I needed
to look into.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
I'm not the lass, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
It wasn't something you were going to volunteer. Is that
fair to say?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
When I asked about it, I have always said that
there was some drinking, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
And then you said at some point someone showed up
to the house in a Honda Pilot. Correct, correct, And
you were showing a picture of that.

Speaker 9 (59:06):
Honda Pilot that stays at number thirty.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Remember seeing that, Yes, I do.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
That's the same vehicle that you identify for us earlier.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Correct, Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
And when that vehicle showed up, it didn't have this
damage to a windshielded it Where you see this effect
on the windshield here so around pointing break to the
passenger side of the vehicle.

Speaker 8 (59:35):
I can't really see it, but to my knowledge, I
didn't really recognize anything with the windshield.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
When that Honda pilot showed up, you told us that
you were still in the basement, correct.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And you said we exited through the Billco doors right.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
And when you say we, that's the eighteen to twenty
boys that were there in the basement.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And you went out through the Bilco doors to the
right of the AC unit.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Correct, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And you walked down the driveway and then you went
across the street.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And at this point there were folks that were all
inside the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Nobody was outside the vehicle that was not with your party.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
You mean the kids that came in the car were
not outside the vehicle. No, they were not. They were
in the car still.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And you said that you went immediately up to Tyler d. Silva,
who you could see through the windshield, correct, Correct, And
that's because you knew Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Right. I didn't know him.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
I knew who he was, and I knew of him because,
as I said before, I grew up with his cousin
who lived down the road from me.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
And you thought that you also knew his older brother, correct.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
I have met him a time or two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And you thought that you had enough rapport with Tyler
d Silva that you could talk to him, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
I thought if anyone was going to be the one
I was going to talk to to get them to leave,
that I had my best chance with that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
And you told us again that at that time you
weren't aware of the group chat.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
Right, No, I was not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You didn't know Griffin Marsinsic was live texting this taken
photos and you were standing on the grass on the
other side of Laurel Glenn Drive talking to Tyler through
the passenger side window.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Correct, And at this point the car is facing Farmhouse Lane, right,
Yes it was, And you noticed that people were arguing
on the other side of the car.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Right, Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And in fact you told Officer of Giddon that you
recognized inside the car. McKenzie Traffic, County correct, Yes, as
well as Caitlin and Autumn Murphy. Correct, I never said
that you never told Officer Giddon that you saw Caitlin
and Autumn Murphy inside the pilot.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Not to my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Do you know Caitlyn and Auto Murphy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I do know who they are. Who are they?

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
They are two girls that went to shout in schools
with us when we were younger, and they both also
went to Saint joseph' igh school.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Okay, And were they at your party as part of
the No, they were not. And you claimed that you
did not tell Officer Giddon that you also saw Caitlyn
and Auto Murphy in that car.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
I don't believe I did.

Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
And if I had said that, it was me saying
that I had heard somebody else say that they were
in the car, So that should have been clarified.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
There was a lot of people talking after the.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Fact, right, I mean, yeah, we talked about it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Everybody was trading information somewhat. Yeah, and you would agree
that some of that information just simply wasn't true, right
objections to I would I would know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
I'll sustain it to the extent that it is broad.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Council if you want to limit it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Did you come to learn that some of that information
that you received was not actually true?

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I guess we could.

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
Say a little bits and pieces, but nothing that was
relevant to what had taken place that night.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Well, you told the officers that you saw the defendant
flashing a knife, right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Well, they brought me back into clarify.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You told the officers that, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
No, I believe I wrote that you when you wrote that,
who were you writing that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
For, mister rich I was writing that for the police.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
So you told the police that you saw the defendant
flashing a knife.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Correct. At the time I wrote it, I wrote it
like that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
But as I said before, they brought me back in
to clarify that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I never saw the knife, not one time the entire night.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
You didn't volunteer that information. Later, right when you said
I sold on a second, I told those officers I
saw a knife, but I didn't I better go clarify it.
You didn't do that, right, I did do that. You
went to them and said, I need to clarify this
for you.

Speaker 8 (01:04:06):
So they had called me and told me that there
was a few things in my statement that they wanted
to double check. So they brought me back in and
immediately when they said did you actually see him with
the knife with your own two eyes?

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
I said no, I did not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
So again, that's not something you volunteered until they said, hey,
we want to clarify a few things between your statements, right.

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
If you want to put it that way, I guess,
But that was just because it was not to my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, you didn't tell them that on the fifteenth right,
No I did not. You didn't tell them that on
the sixteenth right, No I did not. Didn't tell them
that on the seventeenth right, No I did not. And
it wasn't until the eighteenth when they called you and said,
we need to clarify some things. We think there's some
discrepancies in your statement that you then told them you

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hadn't actually seen.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
Correct, because corre because prior to that, I didn't even
know that it was something on there that needed to
be clarified. So as soon as they brought me in
and asked me did you actually see the knife?

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
I said, no, I did not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You didn't know that when you wrote at twelve forty
three am in your own hand that you saw a
kid named Ledo flashing a knife, you didn't know that
that was something that you needed to clarify, because it
wasn't something you'd actually seen.

Speaker 8 (01:05:27):
No, Sir, at the time when I wrote that, as
I said, it was a very traumatic experience for us.
I've never had to give a statement before, and I've
never had to write one, so I didn't know that
that was something I couldn't write off of hearing it
from somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Okay, so you didn't know that you needed to tell
them the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Truth about what you had seen.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
I didn't know that I needed to tell them the truth.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
I just didn't know that I needed to clarify that
I wasn't the one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
That saw with the knife.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Well, and you also didn't tell them about the can
of w D forty that you sprayed at the defendant,
as you say, in his area.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Right, I'm gonna object disaskedin answer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I'll over sorry. Can you repeat sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
You didn't tell them about the can of w D
forty that you're now telling.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Us about, right on which day?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
On any of these days, on the fifteenth when you
gave various statements. On the eighteenth, when you gave a statement,
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
Believe I did, because it was not knowledge that I
had remembered yet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
And you also didn't tell them that you're the one
who threw the first swing at mister Valley.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
Right, I'm not sure, but I do believe that I
did clearly state that I was in the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
But yeah, it probably took.

Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
Me a little bit of time to remember exactly what
had happened.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
But I did tell them that I was involved in
the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yes, well, you didn't tell them that in your handwritten statement.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Right, I'm not sure I believe I did.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
You don't think that you said everyone was standing in
my yard, everyone started going at it, and the next
thing I saw was blood everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Sorry, you repeat, right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Don't think what you told them was everyone was standing
in my yard, everyone started going at it, and the
next thing I saw was blood everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
I believe I did right at the time, And.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
You didn't say anything about I threw the first punch
at mister Valley because I was trying to defend ty Woods.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
No, I guess not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
In any event, You claim that you were standing there
at the front passenger window talking to Tyler de Silva
when you heard some arguing going on on the other side, right, correct,
you look through the car, and you saw Mackenzie Traffickanty
and mister in the back seat, right correct. You knew
Mackenzie because you grew up together, right yep. And you

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knew that there were other kids in the car, But
right now you're not sure who that was, no idea,
even though you told the cops that you saw Caitlyn
and Autun Murphy, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Correct, which.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
Was just something I had.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Heard that was I said that I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Was, gotcha, you figured that that's who it was. Now
you know that that's not who it was, because you're
ever there, right, correct. But you told the cops that
at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, at this point, there's your estimate fifteen to twenty
Shelton High kids surrounding this Honda Pilot.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
I wouldn't say surrounding.

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
I believe I was actually the only one on the
passenger side of the car, and I could be wrong,
but to what I remember, I think I was the
only one on that side of the car, and everybody
else was on the driver side.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
But between the car and my yard.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
In fact, they weren't just on the driver's side between
the vehicle in your yard, were they?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
What do you mean by that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
They had their hands on the vehicle right, some of
them did, some of them did. Some of them were
rocking the car back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Correct. Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
After a bottle was swung out of the back seat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Let's talk about that bottle getting swung out of the
back seat. You were walking around the front of the
car when you saw this happen.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
As I came around the front driver side to see
what was going on on the other side of the car,
I was able to see a hand come out the
window in a swinging down motion, and I couldn't tell
what it was. And then I heard the glass shatter
and saw the shattered glass. And where is the shattered

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glass that you saw from the driver's side window.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
It was on the street right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
There, directly down in front of the vehicle, pretty close
with these fifteen to twenty people standing all on that
one side of the vehicle rocking it back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Correct. When they started rocking the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
After so you hear glass shatter, corrects, and then they
start rocking the vehicle. Yes, and all fifteen to twenty
of those kids, by your estimate, are not actually surrounding
the car, but they're all just on one side of
the car.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
From what I recall, I believe that everybody was mainly
on the driver's side of the car.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
In the midst of all this shaking and rocking of
the car, you say you reach in through the driver's
side window over top of mister Snyder and grabbed the
gear shift.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I reached for the shifter.

Speaker 8 (01:10:42):
I believe it was by the steering wheel on the column,
so I reached towards it because he wasn't even considering
when I was telling him to leave, So I made
him see that I was going for his shifter, telling
him to put his car and drive and go, because
at that point, when kids started shaking the car, I

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knew that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
If they didn't leave there, that this was going to
turn into something bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
And mister Snyder then, as you're reaching and leaning across
and grabbing his shifter, he starts to roll up the
window on correct. You say you heard the car click
into gear.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah, and we saw the lights.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And then they drove up the street fast, right, they did.
And when you say they drove up the street fast,
did they drive down Laurel Glenn towards Farmhouse Lane?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
That's correct?

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
And you said, as they did that they were throwing
cans and things out the windows. Right, they were, But
nobody from your group was throwing anything at the Viet.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Not at that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
No, how many people were outside at this point.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
Everybody that was there, I believe was outside.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
So they drive down to the end of Farmhouse Lane.
Did they come back at that point or did they
stop and get out what we saw in the video.

Speaker 8 (01:12:07):
I don't know for sure, but I want to say
the first time they went down the street, they actually
went past Farmhouse Lane to the point where we could
no longer see the car, which is why I had
thought that they left at that point. Then we were
able to see the headlights coming back in the other direction,

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and that is when they came back for the second time.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
After they drove away and could have left.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Was that before or after you went down to the
end of Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
And I walked down That was before?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So they drive away, correct.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
They drive towards farmhouse I believe they went past. Then
they come back down past my house again towards Adams
where I believe they make that corner onto atoms.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Say they make that corner. If we're looking at Exhibit one,
are you saying that they take a right onto Adams
and then where did you see the car after that?

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
And then after that it comes back down the way
it just came.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
So I'm not sure if maybe they.

Speaker 8 (01:13:16):
Turned around over here or what, but they ended up
coming back from the same direction that the car had
just previously gone in and Joe by the house again
throwing more things out of the car, including the WD forty,
And that is when the car stops by Farmhouse Lane

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after that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
So I just want to make sure we've got your
series of events down. The car initially arrives, it's parked
at the corner near Adams Drive and on the other
side of Laurel Glenn from your house.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Correct, that's when you and the fifteen or twenty folks
all go outside and confront the car.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Right, yes, to hear glass shatter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
While there's fifteen or twenty people, there's on one side
of the vehicle. They're shaking and rocking the car. You
somehow get in and lean across, mister Snyder.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Correct. Sorry, I can repeat that as part.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
You get in and lean across mister sniper. No, before
that you have seen glass shatter. There's fifteen or twenty
people shaking the vehicle and you lean in across and
grab the shift.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
At that point, you say, you hear the vehicle click
in the gear and it drives down towards farmhouse lane correct, correct,
turns around by your account and comes back towards your house.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Correct, makes a turn or right onto Adam's drive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
You lose sight of the vehicle. I did, how long
before you see it again?

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Not that long?

Speaker 8 (01:14:43):
Like I said, they had to have turned around somewhere close,
because it came back pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Could you see who was in the vehicle at that.

Speaker 8 (01:14:50):
Point at that point, I believe nobody had gotten out yet,
because at the rate of speed he was driving before,
if anyone had gotten out of the that car, they
would not have just been able to step out unless
he had stopped somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Else and let people out.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
But if your.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Recollection is accurate, right.

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
Correct, But to what I would think that everybody was
still in the car at that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Point that you don't know who was in the vehicle,
I do not that is fair.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
And as it comes back up Adams, you say, it
turns onto Laurel Glenn drive, goes past the house again, correct,
and down towards Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
And is it at that point that you see the
vehicle stop?

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
And it's at that point that you and what you
describe as a group of three yourself maybe Ryan Hines,
Ricky Fiola, or someone else that you couldn't know. So

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it was yourself and Ricky Fiola and someone else who
you're not sure about went down the street right, correct?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
So the only one I know that was with me
was Ricky.

Speaker 8 (01:16:08):
I can't recall who else was with us, but it
was definitely I never said Ryan Hines with it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
But you can't be sure that it wasn't him, right,
because there was I can't be sure.

Speaker 8 (01:16:18):
I do know there was at least one other person,
but I'm not sure who that was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
And you think it was just the three of you
who went down the street, right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
I believe?

Speaker 22 (01:16:30):
So maybe we see Exhibit forty four, please, it's the disk.
I can ask you to watch this video with us.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Can we pay you recall see this video?

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
And this is shot from the ring camera on thirty
six Laurel Glenn Drive, which is the house down Laurel
Glenn Drive. There on Exhibit one by the corner of
Farmhouse lane wreck.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Now in this video, mister rich, do you see somebody
already walking ahead of this last illuminated tree that we see.

Speaker 8 (01:17:12):
There over here on the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
I'm going to point over here, see this last illuminated
tree to the far right, just past one of the columns.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Do I see anyone over there?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
You see somebody walking right here ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Oh, okay, can we start that from the beginning, and
I'd ask you to focus your.

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
Attention seeing this person's walking. Do you see somebody walking there?

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
I do?

Speaker 21 (01:17:45):
Do you see that there's a vehicle if we just
hurted doors and the car stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
And we see somebody else walking correct by the vehicle
in from the vehicle, I do see that. Those folks
are already out of the car. And now we're hearing
some yelling.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Correct, yep.

Speaker 21 (01:18:01):
And from the last we're starting to see your group
right correct?

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I count one, two, three, four?

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
Would you agree? Four people so far?

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Right now?

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
I see a fifth person coming.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Do you see that? I do?

Speaker 21 (01:18:24):
Do you see other folks coming as well?

Speaker 9 (01:18:26):
Six?

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
Seven?

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
Do you see those other folks?

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
I do see more?

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Yes, And those people are all coming from the direction
of your home, correct, So as it appears. Yes, you
would agree that there was at least two people that
were out of that vehicle.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Correct, prior to us walking down.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Prior to you walking down, I would agree, And that
then a group of at least seven of you were
seen on that video.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Correct, That's how it appears.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
But as I said, to my knowledge, the only one
I knew was with me was Ricky, and I thought
there was at least one more of us.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
Clearly there was more than that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
And in fact, you walked past and had some interactions
with people that had already gotten out of the vehicle, correct,
I did. But you don't recall any of that fair
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
I didn't say, don't recall any of that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
I just don't recall who was actually out of the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Well, you told us that you didn't have any interactions
with people in the vehicle at that point, correct.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
Other than telling them to get out of there and
that they needed to go.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
Not really, No, And.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
At this point they are down in front of Laurel
Glenn Drive, heading towards Farmhouse Lane, right, What's that they
were down at this point where we see it on
the video, down in front of thirty six Laurel Glenn Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
By Farmhouse Lane correct, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
And that is about two football fields or six hundred
and forty seven feet away from your house. Is that
fair to say?

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
Yeah, that's probably pretty accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
And you followed that vehicle all the way down.

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
There right when people started to get out. Yeah, we
walked down there, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
And you told them let's go, you pusses, right, correct.
And that's when you say you threw the can of
w D forty right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
You later picked that can back up, you're now telling us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Right after it was thrown at me.

Speaker 8 (01:20:27):
Again, I didn't want to leave it in the street
in front of my neighbor's houses, so yes, I picked
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
We didn't see that can getting thrown back at you
on this video, did we?

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
And you said after that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
You were just walking back to the house trying to
get everyone back inside, right.

Speaker 8 (01:20:43):
I was heading back towards the house with the intent
to get everyone back there into the house.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
And did you call the police at that point?

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I did not. Why not?

Speaker 8 (01:20:55):
Because I figured that every time they drove away, I
thought that they were going to leave. I guess thinking
about it now, knowing that they had the first two
opportunities to not come back when they drove away, and
they didn't. I probably should not have made the assumption
that they weren't going to leave, But never in a

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million years did I ever think that this was going
to happen, So I did not call the police.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
You didn't call the police and say, hey, there's unwanted
people at our house and they're throwing stuff at us
because you didn't want the cops to come and find
out that there was underage drinking.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Right you rephrase that, well, repeat that at that time,
did you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
I did not, And it wasn't because you didn't want
the cops to come and find out that there was
underage drinking going on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Right, I'm confused what you're asking.

Speaker 8 (01:21:50):
So you're asking me if the reason I didn't call
the cops was because there was underage drinking at my house?

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
Right now, The reason I didn't call the cops.

Speaker 8 (01:22:01):
Was because I figured these kids were going to leave
at any of the given three or four times they
had the opportunity to. And I never thought in a
million years that they were going to come back to
my house, trespass on my property and stab four of
my friends.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
Are you done?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yeah? I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Is there a question pending on? There was not at
that point.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
So it wasn't because you were afraid of Andre's drinking
going on at house. That wasn't the reason that you
didn't call the cops. No, the reason was that you
thought you could handle this yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:22:39):
I thought that they were going to leave any of
the four times they could have. And like I said,
I guess, thinking back now, knowing that the first three
times they could have left when they had the opportunity,
they didn't, maybe I should have handled it different.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
But again, who would ever thought that three.

Speaker 8 (01:23:04):
Juniors or wherever they were in high school from Saint Joe's,
We're going to come back to my house, trespass on
my property and stab for my friends.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
Ok.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
And then you told us that as you're walking back
to the house, someone threw a can of w D
forty at you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Correct, Correct, they threw it back at me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
And that the defendant came off the side of the bushes.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
You told him not to come near you, right I did.
And then you use the can of w D forty
to spray it in his direction, right I did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
What you actually did was you sprayed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
It, right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
In his face, in his eyes, right.

Speaker 8 (01:23:39):
I'm not sure, like I said, I was spraying it
in his direction. He kept approaching me, so I can't
tell you where he was getting sprayed. I aimed the
can at him, and I sprayed it to use it
to distance myself.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
And you just saw yourself in that video pass by
him while he was standing on the street, not in
that vehicle.

Speaker 8 (01:23:59):
Correct, probably, but I'm not sure if that was him
or where he was at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And you never told the officers in any of your
prior statements about the defendant throwing this WD forty at
you and coming off the side of the bushes, right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Well, one, I don't know if he threw it at me.
I'm not sure which one of them threw it at me.

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
But given where he was when he came out of
the bushes when they threw it back at me, I
don't believe it could have been him because he was
obviously already down by those bushes for me to have
walked by.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Him over there, and it came from behind me more
towards the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Car, So you don't think that it was him throwing that.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Don't think he's the one that threw it back at
me when I had picked it up to walk back
to the house, because he was already obviously down in
that direction somewhere for him to have come out behind me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
And then you told us that everybody started to make
their way back into the house right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Correct through the bill codors. Correct, you walked back first.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
But you knew that Ricky was still down there at
Farmhouse Lane, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
How did you know that he was still down.

Speaker 8 (01:25:09):
Because I walked back by myself, and he's the only
one I knew went down there with me, And if
he didn't come back with me, he had to still
be down there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Where were these other five or six people that we
saw here in this video.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
They must have been down there as well. But I'm
not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
You don't recall Ricky coming back inside, but you're certain
you went back inside.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
I went back inside, Els went back inside with you.

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
I'm not sure exactly who.

Speaker 8 (01:25:38):
There was still a large crowd out in the front,
and I kind of was just motioning everybody to get
back inside the house.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
What was the large group out in the front still doing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Probably standing there.

Speaker 8 (01:25:52):
I'm honestly, I'm not sure I was down the street,
but as soon as I got back to the house.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
I had everybody go back inside.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Even the folks that remained in the yard that you
just described. I'm sorry, what's that. You told us you
went back into the house, but that people remained in
the front yard. Now you're telling us you had everybody
go back inside.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
Who remained in the front yard.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
You tell me, sir, you're the one who said people
remain in the front yard.

Speaker 8 (01:26:17):
I never said anybody remained in the front yard. I
said the only people that were still out there was
to my knowledge, Ricky.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Down the street.

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
But I had everybody else around there go back into
the house that was still in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
The front I went into the basement after coming back
from Farmhouse Lane. You're saying there was nobody else in
the front yard.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
I do not believe so. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
And then you heard somebody yelling their back right correct,
and you looked out and you could see that they
were in the front yard.

Speaker 8 (01:26:52):
Well, we walked back outside, and a pron coming up
on the front yard. I was able to see the
car in the street with the headlights on, and the
defendant and Tyler Desolvo were now trespassing on my property.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
And at that point, you go out into the front yard, correct, correct?
How many people were out in the front yard with you?

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
I believe everybody had followed me back outside. I don't
think anyone was going to leave me to go out
there alone. So eventually the entire basement did make its
way back outside, and I believe everyone did make their
way back out there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
About thirty of you out there in the front yard.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Yeah, including girls too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
And you described your position as being near the cement
box and the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Red bush right, relatively, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
And that Tyler Da Silva was in front of you correct, correct,
near the mailbox, towards the mailbox, and that mister Valley
was off to your left by the left of the
bush and the right of the cement box.

Speaker 8 (01:28:18):
Right was the last part to the left of the wood.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
To the left of the red bush, and to the
right of the cement box.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
Which way are you looking at that from the street
or from the house?

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
I believe you described it as being Balley was off
to your left.

Speaker 8 (01:28:35):
He was off to my left correct, with my back
to the house, so yes, So.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
You couldn't really see where mister Valley was.

Speaker 8 (01:28:42):
She was peripheral to me, so I was able to
see him and the couple kids over there and know
where their position was, because they weren't that far. They
were only maybe two steps away from me. But until
the fact where Tyler de Silva shoved me backwards, is
when they came into my full side.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
And you said that again, you approached Tyler Disilva because
you knew him and his cousins, right correct, You said, dude,
I've known your family and cousins for years, right correct?
At this point, where are the other thirty people?

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
I wasn't paying attention to that, but I believe some
kids were still coming out of the basement at that point,
and I believe that there there were people behind me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
And also to decide.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Me, could you see anybody in front of you near
the street?

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
I don't recall anyone being over there. Could there have
been maybe, but I do not remember.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
And it is your recollection that Tyler de Silva told
you to go fuck yourself and shoved you backwards, correct,
with these other thirty kids behind you, which he knew,
Which he knew that there were thirty kids.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
They have obviously seen the amount of kids there were
the minute we walked out to the car the first time.
They proceeded to keep coming back knowing that there was
thirty kids or twenty dudes standing there, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
And you said that there were a few kids near
mister Valley.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Right, I believe so. Yes, one of.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Those you knew, and that was tie Wood's correct. You've
described him as as close to a younger brother for
you as it gets right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
And after the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Shove, you've now got mister Valley in your vision, and
you say that he went to swing on ty Wood.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:30:44):
I watched him take a back swing like he was
going to hit him in the back of the head,
and ty had his head turned.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
I was only two steps away.

Speaker 8 (01:30:52):
I pretty much stepped into it to get between it
and punched him in the face.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
And then after that, you say that mister D'Silva punched
you in the back of your head.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
How do you know that was mister d Silva punched
you in the back of your head?

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
Because nobody else that was at my house was going
to be punching me in the back of the head.
And he is also the one that just pushed me
from the direction where the punches were coming from to
the back.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
Of my head.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
It wasn't because the group of twenty to thirty people
was stampeding forwards and people got shoved into one another.

Speaker 8 (01:31:36):
You would have to ask him that, not me, But
to what I know, I didn't see any of that
going on after because after I had hit the defendant,
that was the last time I ever saw him that
entire night, because, as I said, when I was getting

(01:31:57):
punched in the back of the head, my focus turned
to tylerd Silva at this point, who I ended up
on the ground with instead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Now again, you're telling us today that you swung and
hit mister Valley in the face that evening, but you
didn't tell that to the officers when you spoke to
them on the fifteenth a couple times or the eighteenth, correct,
I guess not.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
I had told them I was in the fight and
there was only two kids that I could have been
fighting with.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
So you didn't tell them that you threw the first punch.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
I guess not. At the time, I guess not.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
And you say that you went to the ground and
that mister de Silva was on top of you, correct,
And that he was swinging and you tied up his
arms right correct, that you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
See much after that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Is that fair?

Speaker 8 (01:32:57):
To say, Yeah, I was on the ground underneath him.
I couldn't see anything.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
And despite.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Having told officers originally that you'd seen Leedo with a knife,
ultimately what you told us here today is that you
didn't see the defendant with a knife.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
I had never seen the knife that entire night with
my own eyes at all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
And you would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
And you've described for us that this fight was a
chaotic scene.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:33:29):
It was a chaotic scene.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Yes, And there were only two kids that got out
of the vehicle that were from the Saint Joe's party.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Two of them got out of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
And there were roughly thirty of you, twenty of which
you've described as being boys.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Correct, Correct, which they knew.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
In fact, you continue to tell me that, sir, which
they knew. How do you know what they knew?

Speaker 8 (01:33:50):
Because they were in the car when we all came outside,
they saw how many of us there were. They drove
up and down the street or four times and saw
that there was that many of us. And even when
he came on my property, nobody immediately got physical with them.
I was still trying to talk to Tyler de Silva

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and get him to leave, and they saw with their
own eyes how many of us were standing there and
decided that he was going to get physical with me?

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
So, yeah, they knew how many of us were there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
So it's your recollection that mister d Silva is the
one who decided to get physical with you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Correct, he shoved me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Was mister d Silva at any point holding a phone
or filming any of this as it was going on?

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Did you ever see mister Balley with the phone filming
or recording anything of what was going on?

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Did you see, however, a video of the fight itself?
I did, and that was taken by Tina Chronowski?

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
And you also identified for us another person who is
in that video with a phone in his hand, and
that was Ricky Fiola.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
And was there anybody else that you saw that was
filming that?

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
Even I was on the ground, I didn't see anybody
filming or holding a phone until I saw the video,
after which I still am not even sure if there
was a recording going or if those were just flashlights,
But yeah, I didn't see anybody else recording.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Now, well, you did see the video, correct, I did.

Speaker 6 (01:35:34):
See that video Tanner took.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Correct, So you know that that one vid?

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
I do know that that video is taken.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
And did you tell any of the officers that that
video existed?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
I did not.

Speaker 8 (01:35:47):
They actually showed it to me first, and that was
my first knowledge of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
You didn't know about that video until it was shown
to you by the officers.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Are you friends with Tanner? Churnounco?

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
I am is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Snapchat stories?

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Yeah? I am?

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
And you weren't aware that he had posted it that
very evening.

Speaker 8 (01:36:11):
I was not aware that he had posted it ever,
and I had never seen it, so no, I was not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
So, mister Rich, is it fair to say that, despite
a number of opportunities to tell the police as much
as what you ever called today, you didn't actually tell
them any of those things? Regarding the WD forty ken.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Objection asked an answer assistent, Is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
It fair to say that, despite having a number of opportunities,
you didn't tell them that you were the person who
first punched mister Valley?

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Objection asked an answer sustained.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Is it fair to say that you didn't call the
police that night at any point?

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Objection asked an answer that one.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
No, I did not call the police at any point
that night.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
And you told officers that you had seen the defendant
with a knife, despite the fact that now you're telling
us you never saw him with a knife.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
Grit and I did not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Just from the German, mister Richard, there were essentially two
fights going on in the front yard where they're not.

Speaker 8 (01:37:35):
As far as what I'm aware of, I can only
speak for what was going on with me and Tyler
d Silva at the time I was on the ground,
and because I could not see anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
How many people were engaged with mister d Silva when
you were also on the ground.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
With him, to my knowledge, just me and him. Do
I think people could have done a couple of shots
at him? It's possible, but from what I could see,
just me and him were on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
But when you say it's possible that other people could
have thrown shots at him, you viewed the video of
the fires, correct, Correct? You see people throwing shots at him?

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Correct? Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
It's not just possible that happened, didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
Yeah, so a couple of kids did throw a couple
of shots in after, but I could not see that
from where I was on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
And you would agree that there was a separate fight
going on involving mister Valley. Correct, I'm not sure nothing, Perther.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Can you read try briefly? Sure? Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Console asked you about Tanner and Alex coming to the house.
What do your call about when Tanner and Alex actually
showed up in relation to when the Honda pilot was
at your house?

Speaker 8 (01:38:57):
So when we had first went outside, I believe Tanner
and Alex had not gotten there yet until after the
first time the car drove down the street. I believe
the first time when they went down the street, it
took them a little longer to come back because they
had went all the way to the dead end, or
at least out of our view. And as the car

(01:39:19):
went down the street, from what I recall, I believe
is when Tanner and Alex got there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
And when Tanner and Alex got there, where were you
at the moment?

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
I was in the front yard.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Now, Counsel asked you a little bit about your statement
to police.

Speaker 23 (01:39:36):
Initially, you had indicated that you had seen well, at
least according to your statement, indicated.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
That you had told the cops that he was flashing
a knife. Where did that information come from?

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Did you act see that happen.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
No, I never saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
So why would you tell the cops that a kid
named Leito was flashing a knife?

Speaker 6 (01:39:57):
It was something I had overheard, and.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
As an eighteen year old kid who's never had to
go through something traumatic like that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:08):
I couldn't write something in my statement without physically seeing it,
So I was brought back in to clarify that I
didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
So, based on the the fact that you have four
of your friends that were stabbed on the frontlawe, what
was your what was your immediate what was your intuition?
What was your your reason for telling the cops what
you did at that moment with regards to what you
what you what you saw at that moment. Did you

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have a reason why you didn't recall.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
The w D forty kent or anything like that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Why would you Why did you say what you did?

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:40:48):
Of course, I mean in that time period, like I've
been saying, I was an eighteen year old kid who
just watched four of my best friends get stabbed in
my front yard where I grew up at my own house,
and having to go through that, I believed that there
was just certain things that my mind was putting out

(01:41:11):
of my head, and I was more focused on the
events that took place during the actual fight itself.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Now, on a subsequent occasion, did you eventually tell.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Somebody about this WDFI?

Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
And on a subsequent occasion, did you eventually tell somebody
about you throwing a punch of leader?

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
I did?

Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
Now, you saw staying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Out of the States forty four, which is the thirty
six Lend video, the ring video. That camera does that
camera capture everything that happened with all the interactions down
the street. In other words, you see yourself throwing the
can at the car. At some point that camera stops right, correct,

(01:42:00):
And at some point in time there are other things
that happened that just weren't captured on that camp.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
So with regards to where the defendant may have been
standing at it at any given moment during that video,
and where he was when he was coming out of
the woods at you when you had the WD forty
ken in your hand, would that have happened before or
after the.

Speaker 9 (01:42:25):
Events that we see in States forty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Four after and with regards to the number of people
that were captured on States forty four, from your group
that go down the street. To the best of your recollection,
you only recalled Rickey Field and maybe one other person.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Clearly there were more from your group down the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Now, when you came back from down the street, were
you by yourself?

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
I was?

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
And when you came back from down the street, you
indicated that Ricky Field was still behind you down the street.
So when you got to the front lawn and you
were ushering pace people back in your house, you went
down down the basement with with people that you ushered
with down back inside your house. Correct, But that didn't
include Ricky feel So if there were at least seven

(01:43:11):
people down the street, you being one and Ricky being another,
there's at least five other people that are probably still
down the street and coming back down towards the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
House, right. Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
So when you go back in the house, some of
your friends could have still come back.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
And been on the front lawn, right, and you just
wouldn't know who it was. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
And when the car came back down the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Street and you heard there back, did that come from
inside the house or outside? Down?

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
That came from outside?

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
I believe because somebody had looked out the doors and
saw the car pull back up it, But.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
You don't know who said that, Noah, no further question.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Any additional cross just pretty freezing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
You told us that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Part of the reason that you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
Were unable to recall some of what you've told us
today was due to the trauma, correct of this incident. Correct,
So it wasn't that you wanted to minimize the involvement
of your friends on that evening.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
What do you mean by that as.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Far as why you weren't able to recall these things
when you were talking to police officers beforehand. It wasn't
because you wanted to minimize the involvement that your friends had.

Speaker 8 (01:44:24):
You mean, like try to hide things my friends did. Correct, No,
I wasn't trying to minimize anything.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
You weren't trying to protect your friends from any sort
of police investigation.

Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
I mean, now that's nothing that's inside of my control anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
And then you had been asked about telling that to
folks on a subsequent occasion, about the WD forty and
about throwing the first punch.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Do you recall that question.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
If you repeat that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Sure, the state's attorney asked you that about not telling
folks about out the WD forty or about the throwing
of the punch, right, yeah, And then he asked you,
but you did tell them that on a subsequent occasion, correct, correct,
and that subsequent occasion was today correct.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
No, nothing further, nothing further.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
You're on all right, you.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Cannot exit the witness spots. Please watch your stuff, counsel.
I am going to go into the morning recess. All right,
co it's going to stand in recess for fifteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Lead good after are we ready to proceed?

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Counsel?

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Thank you for sure, marshall, marshall Ron okay, thank you.
Welcome back. Members of the Jury Council. Please stipulate the
turn of archery stable. All right, very good. Please call

(01:46:04):
us next witness.

Speaker 6 (01:46:06):
Called Aiden King to this same Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Hi, do you step into the witness box. Madam klok
is going to put you under earth. Okay, she's right
here to my right, Well, here.

Speaker 7 (01:46:14):
Is your do you saw more solemnly and sincerely affirm
as the case maybe than the Avenue cantact you so
use case hell me the youth the whole truth and
nothing of the truth. So helpe you got or your
third grade I do thank you? You see your full
name spelling.

Speaker 10 (01:46:30):
Your last name, say king, Hey, I energy see your dress?

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Maybe suda do me favorite and uh let's get close
to the microphone and speak coming from okay.

Speaker 6 (01:46:44):
All right, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
How you know I'm good? Are you good? A little
nervous to be here?

Speaker 6 (01:46:49):
Yeah? Aiden? How old are you? I'm twenty years old?
And you work? I do?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
What do you do?

Speaker 6 (01:46:55):
I work at a dog Daycaren Shetland?

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
How long a you been doing that?

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
For a little over a year? Most two years? Huw?

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
And have you and I met in a prior occasion? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
And why do we meet for this? For the trial?

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
And I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth
to twenty twenty two? Do you call that day?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
And why do you recall that day?

Speaker 6 (01:47:15):
It was a traumatic day.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Now I want to direct your attention to, uh, this.

Speaker 9 (01:47:24):
State's nine.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Do you know whose house I did? Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:47:28):
I do?

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
Tyler Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
How do you know Tyler Rich? Uh?

Speaker 15 (01:47:32):
He's a long time friend of mine, grew up playing
football together high school and then you got really close.

Speaker 6 (01:47:37):
I've done him for a little while. Sure, ye, stay
fifty four. Do you know who this is?

Speaker 9 (01:47:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Who is that?

Speaker 9 (01:47:47):
How do you know phase On.

Speaker 6 (01:47:48):
Too, same thing. Grew up middle school football, high.

Speaker 9 (01:47:51):
School stays fifty six.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Do you know what that is?

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:47:59):
Ryan Hunts.

Speaker 9 (01:48:00):
How do you know Ryan Highs?

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
High School football?

Speaker 9 (01:48:05):
State fifty five? You know who that is?

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:48:08):
It was that Tommy Connery. How do you know Tommy
went to school with him?

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
Middle school? High school?

Speaker 9 (01:48:15):
Why only stay fifty seven? You know who this is?

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
Yes? Who is that Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (01:48:20):
Do you know Jimmy?

Speaker 15 (01:48:21):
I met him through Rosie, who I'm friends with. He's
just become a good friend of mine. Rosie's his sister,
older sister.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Did you go to school with Jimmy?

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
Do you know where Jimmy went to school? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Where did he go?

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
Fa?

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
Faison?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Tommy and Ryan?

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
Did you go to school with those?

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
And on May fourteenth to twenty twenty two? How old
were you back then?

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
I was seventeen. And were you in school?

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yes? Where did you go to school?

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
Shelton Eye?

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
And you went to school with Tommy, Ryan and uh Faison? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:48:52):
Did you go to school with Tyler Rich Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Did you go to school with Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
How about sal Perry?

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
How about Mike sam Perry. No, do you know Mike
sam Perry?

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
How do you know?

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
I met him through Tyler as well? He just come
around sometimes. Good friend.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
How about Alex Bernston I have met him before?

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
Yes, But did I go to school with him?

Speaker 8 (01:49:15):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
When did you meet him?

Speaker 6 (01:49:18):
I met him one time prior and then at Tyler's
I met him on that night. Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
How about Charlie Connor? Do you know Charlie?

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Yes? How do you know Charlie? School? High school?

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
How about Jacob ville Lobos?

Speaker 6 (01:49:31):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
How about Matt Lakovich?

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
How do you know them? All?

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
High school? Middle school?

Speaker 11 (01:49:36):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
On May fourteenth to twenty two, did you have an
occasion to go to Tyler Richard's house?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Why she was having a party okay? And what kind
of party was it?

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:49:47):
Just a normal thing listening to music, drinking, hanging out
with a bunch of guy friends, some girls.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
And were you drinking that night?

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
And what were you drinking?

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Bud?

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Much?

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
How much?

Speaker 6 (01:49:58):
How many beers did you have that night? Five to seven?

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
And what time would you say you got to Tyler
Richard's house that night?

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
Around eight o'clock?

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
And did you start drinking before you got to Tyler
Rich's house or when you got there, when I got.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
There, and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
When you were there? Do you know whether or not
the individuals we just spoke about were President Tyler Rich's
house that night?

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
They were? And when you were there with those individuals,
you were just what were you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
Hanging out, hanging out, listening to music, talking thinking?

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Are you familiar with Griffin Marcinsic? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
And how are you familiar with Griffin High School? And
at some point in time in the night, did Ryan
Hines and Griffin Marsinsic show up?

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
And did you have a conversation with them when they
showed up briefly and not telling us what they said?
But after that conversation where you informed.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Of an incident that happened on Lazybrook Road prior was
I was? And uh?

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Shortly after having that conversation with them, did something happened
where individuals showed up to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 6 (01:51:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Can you tell us what happened? How were you made aware.

Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
Of that there were people outside?

Speaker 15 (01:51:20):
And they came inside and told people who were in
the basement that there was a group of kids in
a car outside who you don't know why they were
there and who they were?

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
And when you had this information, did you exit the house? Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
And where did you exit the house?

Speaker 15 (01:51:38):
I exited through So there's cellar doors, and I came
up them there on the side of the house and
proceeded to walk outside towards the driveway.

Speaker 6 (01:51:45):
So I'm going to show your states Exhibit five. Can
you see stations relive with five where the cellar doors
would be.

Speaker 15 (01:51:52):
They would be right in that little space you could
see in the trees a little off to the right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, right around there, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:52:00):
And you came out this way, Yes, when you came
out this way, what did you proceed to do? I
proceeded to walk down the driveway. And I'm gonna show
your states exhibit forty nine.

Speaker 9 (01:52:09):
When you walked down the driveway?

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
How did you walk?

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
If you could describe it in State's forty nine.

Speaker 15 (01:52:15):
In between where those like the blue truck and the
white truck, it was kind of that path, right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
And when the individual showed up where where did you
observe the.

Speaker 6 (01:52:26):
Did they come in a car?

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:52:27):
What kind of car was I don't recall, okay? And
when they came, well, you don't remember what kind of
what was it? A four door car. Do you remember
it was a fourd door car?

Speaker 13 (01:52:36):
Now when they came to you cool Hall, can you
tell us in this states forty nine where if at all,
the car was stopped.

Speaker 15 (01:52:44):
On the right side of the street, just about in
front of the driveway, but also near like the across
the streets house is like a little sidewalk.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Right around the series.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Yes, And when you came out of the house, When
you came out of the house, how many people were
with you if you can recall around ten, ten, ten
to fifteen.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
And do you know whether or not Tyler Richard was here?

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
He was. You'll call anybody else who was with you
at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:53:14):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
When you came out of the house, what time and
what time of day was it?

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
It was nighttime? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Was it pitch blackout?

Speaker 15 (01:53:22):
No, there was lights surrounding so you could see what
it was dark out, you could notice people in front
of you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Yes, at some point in time, did you approach the car, yes, okay,
And when you approached the car, how was the car facing?

Speaker 13 (01:53:36):
So if we're looking at forty nine, we can agree
with this house here's Tyler Richard John.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Yes, this would be Adams Road. Yes, the car of
the street.

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
That's done, pointing to that's the lower left hand left.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
The picture. Yeah, this is whoa Okay, which way was
the car facing you recall? It was it facing wards
farmhouse which is down here?

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
It was facing towards farmhouse. And when when did you
approach the car?

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
What side of the car did you approach? I approached
the rear side behind the passenger, I mean the driver.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
So if this is the car here and this is
the driver's side here, you're somewhere over here, but maybe
near the rear passenger side, yes, bind the drivers driver, Okay,
And when you approached that side of the vehicle, can you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury what happened at
that point?

Speaker 15 (01:54:31):
The window was rolled down and I looked inside and
I saw LDO. Mackenzie and Tyler de Silva. Those are
the only ones I knew of in the car that
could recognize and proceed to have conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Uh did you recall do you recall whether or not
there or any other people in the car that there
were others?

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
You just did you recognize anything?

Speaker 6 (01:54:51):
I did not? Now you said that you recognized Tyler
de Silva yes, how do you know Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 15 (01:54:57):
I've seen him before, just around at other parties from
other high schools.

Speaker 6 (01:55:02):
And Mackenzie, who's Mackenzie?

Speaker 15 (01:55:03):
She is someone who went to Saint Joe's, but before
Saint Joe's went to middle school and with her, so
you grew.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
Up with her, Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55:11):
What's her last name? Traffickanty?

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
And you said Lido? Yes, does Leedo have a different name?

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
She does? What is his name?

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
His real name is Reo?

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
And is that individual president in the courtroom today?

Speaker 6 (01:55:22):
He is? And can you please describe what he's wearing.
He's wearing a blue suit, black tie, white under shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
Can you please put him out for the record.

Speaker 6 (01:55:29):
He's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I made the record of the fuck that the witness
has identified the defendant in this case.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Part all allowed the record to ref that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Now, when you you said that you had a conversation
with McKenzie, Tyler and Ledo.

Speaker 6 (01:55:42):
It was Liedo and Mackenzie.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
So you were talking to where was Leedo seated in
the car behind the driver's side, and where was Mackenzie
seated next to him on the right side of him,
And you had a conversation with.

Speaker 9 (01:55:52):
The two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Yes, did you have a take your conversation with the defendant, Yes,
and tell us tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury
what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
What was said?

Speaker 6 (01:56:03):
So there was just a lot of back and forth
going on, back and forth. What is that? Like people
were yelling outside, you know, for them to leave.

Speaker 15 (01:56:11):
But I was having a direct conversation with him, talking
normally at first, but then he proceeded a threat and
to smash a bottle on someone's head if they didn't
back away from the car.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
And uh, after the defendant said he would smash a bottle,
and somebody said if they didn't back away from the car,
what if?

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
What if anything happened next after that?

Speaker 15 (01:56:30):
I just said no, like, don't do that, and then
I backed the way. I walked to the back to
the end of the driveway.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Did you ever during your conversation with the defendant ever
tell the defendant or anybody else in that car to leave?

Speaker 20 (01:56:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
How many times?

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
Like three or four times?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
And at some point in time during the interaction with
the defendant, Uh, after you backed away, what if anything
did you observe.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
After I backed away?

Speaker 15 (01:56:58):
Just more scheming and yelling from groups of people, and
then the cars proceeded to take off down the street.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
And when the car took off down the street, what
did you observe about how the car took off driving crazy?
Prior to the car leaving the area at that time,
did did anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:57:18):
Kick or shake the car? Do you were calling? Yes,
there's people putting the hands on the car.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Now? Was that your group of.

Speaker 6 (01:57:23):
Friends or are the people in the cards? And when
that happened, the car took off, yes?

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
And where did it go?

Speaker 6 (01:57:29):
Did it go towards farmhouse or towards towards farmhouse?

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
And when it went down towards farmhouse, where were you
situated in the street or in the area when.

Speaker 6 (01:57:38):
You observed that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
I was at the end of the driveway and you
look down towards farmhouse. Yes, And when you look down
towards farmhouse, what did you observe?

Speaker 6 (01:57:46):
I observed the car stop and people proceed to get
out of the car.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Was that Did that happen more than once?

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Did the car drive down and back or did it
just drive down once?

Speaker 6 (01:57:55):
They drove down and back?

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Okay, so let's let's start there. So they drove down
the street.

Speaker 6 (01:58:02):
Were you outside the entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Did the car come back, Yes, When the car came back,
what happened.

Speaker 15 (01:58:08):
Just more driving crazy. They turned around and then drove
back towards the farmhouse again.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
So when they turned around, did they turn around somewhere
in the Atoms Drive area?

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
And when they drove back down did you recall people
throwing things at the car at this point? I did
not recall when they drove back down the street.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
How many times would.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
You say they drove up and down the street if
you can call about three times? And when they drove
up and down the street three times, at some point
in time, did they stop driving up and down the street?

Speaker 6 (01:58:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
And when they stopped where did they If you can
tell from States Exhibit forty nine.

Speaker 9 (01:58:41):
Where did the car stop?

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
And it's.

Speaker 6 (01:58:44):
Where on the street.

Speaker 15 (01:58:46):
Towards the farmhouse there's like a light at the end
of the road kind of and it was around that light.

Speaker 6 (01:58:50):
Post around here, Yes, that area.

Speaker 9 (01:58:55):
The record number plucked at the.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Point to when you are of the north or the
top right hand or where it appears to be a
light pole near the corn near the intersection of the
farmhouse and Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Excuse me, coordal allow the record to reflect, I think,
and that's.

Speaker 6 (01:59:13):
Where you observe the car park.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Yes, when the car park down the street at that
point in time, what did you do?

Speaker 15 (01:59:20):
A group of us proceeded to walk down to the
street right to the car. Do you know who was
with you when you walk down the street, Tyler rich
you feel other than that?

Speaker 6 (01:59:28):
I do not recall.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
And when you walk down the street, how far would
you say you walk down the street?

Speaker 6 (01:59:36):
I'd say to that first light post, just about somewhere.

Speaker 24 (01:59:44):
I may you're on a record, l there's a light
post looks like on the right side of Laurel of Land,
which is before a wooden area just prior to thirty
six year old land.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
That's dal other notation on the record.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
So showing your States one behind you, can you point
on States one where you walked up to?

Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Where can I get up? Use it? It's disappointed right
around here, So this area, yes, the rick can reflect
your on around States one.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
It's the area on the right side of Laurel Gland
just before Laurels thirty six ye Oakland. There's a wooded
area again where the witnesses identified you walked up.

Speaker 6 (02:00:31):
All right, So when you walked up to that area.

Speaker 9 (02:00:35):
Did you have any web design at that point?

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
And when you walked up to that area, what, what,
if anything did you observe at that point?

Speaker 15 (02:00:44):
But I saw two people get out the car, my
group of friends running up to approach them, and then
just continued with more yelling back and forth.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
And that was it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
How long would you say you were observing what was
going on from that vantage point?

Speaker 6 (02:01:01):
Three minutes? Four minutes?

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
And when you were observing what was going on down
the street at that point you indicated there's some light poles.
Is there any lighting down the end of the street. Yes,
And we were able to observe people interacting.

Speaker 9 (02:01:13):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
When you went down the street and you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Were observed people interacting, did you observe anybody from your
group get into any physical altercation with the people from
the car?

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:01:24):
Do you know whether or not Tyler, Rich.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
Ricky Feel or anybody else you were with had any
weapons on them.

Speaker 6 (02:01:30):
I do not recall.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
Now, after about three or four minutes, what did you do?

Speaker 15 (02:01:36):
I appreciate you to go back inside the house because
Tyler was telling people to go back inside, so I
listening and went back inside house.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
So you turned around, walked back to Tyler's house.

Speaker 3 (02:01:45):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
And when you when you turned around and walked back
to Tyler's house, how did you get back inside the house?

Speaker 15 (02:01:51):
I kind of caught in front of these bushes, the
red bushes, cut in front of them, and proceeded to
go back the way I left, threw back the cellar doors.

Speaker 25 (02:02:00):
So say forty nine, there's two red bushes on the
right side of the rich property.

Speaker 9 (02:02:07):
Walk in front of these, yes, And did you walk.

Speaker 6 (02:02:10):
Up the college Stone driveway back in behind the black truck,
behind the black truck.

Speaker 19 (02:02:14):
Okay, So the record book the path in front of
these two red bushes, up the side of the driver's
side of the black truck, behind the black truck, towards
the uh to the right side of the house.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
All right, the recorders left, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
And when you went back into Tyler's house at that
point in time, what did you do when you went downstairs?

Speaker 15 (02:02:35):
I went back inside, was talking to friends normally, and
then was getting ready to leave.

Speaker 6 (02:02:40):
I was talking with my friend Jeremy. He was going
to bring us all home.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
So who's Jeremy Jeremy Oko okay, and Jeremy Oko drove
you to Tyler Riches home.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
No, okay, but he was going to give you right home? Yes,
Why was he going to give you right home?

Speaker 6 (02:02:52):
Because he was.

Speaker 15 (02:02:53):
Sober and I would be wanted to leave because we
weren't really having fun anymore.

Speaker 6 (02:02:57):
So side it was time to go home.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
And at some point in time did you end up
leaving the house?

Speaker 6 (02:03:04):
Yes? All right?

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
When did you end up leaving the house?

Speaker 15 (02:03:08):
After I came outside and saw friends on the floor
screaming and just I didn't know what was happening. I
came out to a fight.

Speaker 6 (02:03:20):
All right, let's back that. Let's back up.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
So at some point in time, you you leave the
house and you witness a fight.

Speaker 15 (02:03:27):
I leave the house and I witnessed a group of people,
a lot of streaming and people on the floor.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
So yes, okay, you when you were inside the house,
were you made aware that individuals were on the front lawn?

Speaker 6 (02:03:40):
No, I was not.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Okay, tell us about how you came to come outside
of Tyler Rich's house and witness.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
What you just in case. So I came out the
same way.

Speaker 15 (02:03:49):
I was going back and forth, and I couldn't see
anything until I got to right in front of where
that black truck is in the picture. And then that's
when I heard all the yelling and the streaming and
people running to cars. And at the time it looked
like there was people fighting, but I would later find
out that it was done already, like the fight was

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over and there was just my friends stabbed on the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
So just so we're clear that at that point where
you came out of forty three, Laurel Glen, you saw
the fight was going on, yes, but in reality the
fight had already ended.

Speaker 6 (02:04:25):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
So when you walked out of forty three, Layl Glen,
you came out towards.

Speaker 6 (02:04:29):
The black truck here?

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
Yes? Were you on the passenger side for the driver's side,
the driver's side?

Speaker 26 (02:04:35):
Ye?

Speaker 6 (02:04:35):
Were you where in states forty nine where you stand.

Speaker 15 (02:04:39):
That piece of flight some met or whatever right there,
like right in front of the truck that's on the grass.
That's where I stopped, and that's when I saw everything.

Speaker 6 (02:04:48):
So let's show your space for the cement black here. Yes, Okay,
you were standing somewhere around here. Yes, Now, when you
were standing there, what did you observe that.

Speaker 15 (02:04:59):
At that moment there's a lot of streaming, yelling, people
surrounding people who were on the floor. I couldn't tell
who it was at the time, but then I saw
individuals run to a car, the car speed off, and
then I turned back around and that's when I realized
I saw blood. I saw people crying, streaming and saying
that people had been stabbed.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
What did you observe about who did you observe bleeding?

Speaker 3 (02:05:24):
Jimmy McGrath and and can you tell us, uh in.

Speaker 6 (02:05:29):
This here where you observed Jimmy at the.

Speaker 3 (02:05:33):
Moment the car here? Yes, in that area where the yes,
the record.

Speaker 6 (02:05:43):
Reflect the left of the red bush here where the
uh some items on the.

Speaker 4 (02:05:48):
Prom record and so reflect.

Speaker 15 (02:05:51):
And what did you observe about Jimmy when you when
you noticed there were just a lot of people around him.

Speaker 6 (02:05:56):
I couldn't really see. I didn't get like up close
to him, but I saw his face.

Speaker 15 (02:06:01):
I saw people around him trying to help, and then
I just kept looking around and seeing more people on
the floor, more people stabbed.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Who else did you see that was stabbed?

Speaker 15 (02:06:10):
Tommy Connery and Fais on til I saw what did
you notice about Tommy Connery?

Speaker 6 (02:06:16):
He was holding his leg and then I just saw
blood all over his leg.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
And what about on Ta What did you notice about him.
His arm was cut.

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
And when you noticed that your friends were stabbed at
this point, what, if anything, did you do?

Speaker 6 (02:06:31):
People would just scream me to call the police.

Speaker 15 (02:06:33):
I know multiple people were at one time, but I
had someone's phone and I called the police, tried to
explain what happened as best as I could, came the
address of the location, and then hung up. They eventually
arrived with the ambulance and they brought people who needed
to care away, and the cops stayed and asked if

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anybody wanted to write down statements.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
And did you in fact give it a statement at
some point in time?

Speaker 6 (02:06:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
I did.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
And that night at Tyler Richard's house, how many people
were there?

Speaker 15 (02:07:05):
A lot of people out of hello of people, Yes,
But you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
Did you witness how many of those people were actually
involved in the fight?

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
Did you observe any of your friends in the aftermath
of the fight. Did you observe any of them? Did
any of them have any weapons on them at that point?

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
No, not that I observed. That's all.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
I have your own questions. I'm with your own good
affter noon, mister King. We've never met the footman. No,
if you can't just keep your voice up.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
It's sorry to hear.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
We've got fans going. The acoustics are bad. I don't
think it will be long. You told us that you
knew most of the people at the party that night, correct, Yes,
And how many people would you say, we're there at
the party?

Speaker 6 (02:07:53):
Thirty to forty.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
You told us that you'd had yourself five to seven
bud lights. Yes, and that was from the time that
you arrived there around eight o'clock until the time that
you left there sometime around midnight.

Speaker 3 (02:08:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
Do you think you stopped drinking earlier than when you left?

Speaker 6 (02:08:15):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
What time do you think you stopped drinking?

Speaker 6 (02:08:20):
Maybe ten thirty eleven?

Speaker 1 (02:08:22):
So you think you had those five to seven beers
in the course of two and a half to three hours.

Speaker 6 (02:08:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Was that pretty much the way folks were drinking that night, Not.

Speaker 6 (02:08:32):
Everybody, but some.

Speaker 3 (02:08:36):
Had you brought those bud lights yourself? Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
And was there alcohol that was being provided at the party?

Speaker 7 (02:08:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
This was a b at yob party. Yes, and you
yourself were seventeen at the time.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
How did you come into possession of that?

Speaker 6 (02:08:51):
I do not recall.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Was there anybody that was over twenty one?

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
At the party.

Speaker 6 (02:08:57):
I do not recall.

Speaker 1 (02:08:59):
There were some older folks that had already graduated, correct, Yes,
some folks that were as old as twenty.

Speaker 6 (02:09:04):
Perhaps, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
And did you feel did you notice other people drinking
at the same rate that you were?

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Were there any drinking games being played?

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
No beer pong going on. Did you notice any adults? No,
This was a fairly regular occasion to get together at
the richest house and party.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Yes, in this same fashion.

Speaker 1 (02:09:40):
Yes, you told us that you knew Griffin marsinsic.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
Were you a part of the basketball group chat?

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Were you made aware that there was a basketball group
chat that was going on the way and that there
was some taunting and the sharing the forty three Laurel
glen Drive address on that.

Speaker 6 (02:10:03):
I was made aware of it.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
Yes, and you were.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
Expecting at some point that perhaps somebody might show up
in response to that.

Speaker 6 (02:10:09):
Yes, his knowledge is after the fact, So how would
you know at the time.

Speaker 5 (02:10:13):
Okay, I believe he's answering the questions, So he appeared
to have knowledge.

Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
I'm going to overwhelier objection.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
You weren't a part of that basketball group chat? Cool though,
But you were aware that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
That was going on. I was Madware after mayawhere after Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
When you say after you didn't know that Griffin Marsinsic
was texting people that evening, No, I did not. How
close a friend would you describe Gryffin Marsinsic?

Speaker 6 (02:10:43):
No, extremely close. But I've hung out with him before.
He also played football, so I've talked to him outside
in school for a while. So he's a good friend.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
And you learned from he and mister Hines that there
have been some sort of altercation earlier at five Lazybrook, right, Yes,
saying that you didn't know at that time that they
were communicating with people that they believed had been involved
in that accupation. They didn't explain to you that they
were sending out the address for people to come there.

Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (02:11:11):
All.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
Do you know Tanner Tchernowski?

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
How do you know Tanner Tchernowski High school?

Speaker 6 (02:11:16):
Middle school? I also played football with him when I
was younger as well.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
And you told us that you had met Alex Bernson
once prior to this. Yes, what was the nature of
that meeting that you had had prior to so you
knew Alex through Tanner?

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
Is that fair? Say?

Speaker 6 (02:11:29):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
And you said that people were outside that came inside
and they said, hey, this car just showed up, right?

Speaker 3 (02:11:39):
Yes? Did that surprise anybody there? Kind of?

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
When you say kind of, did some folks seem to
be aware that in expecting that some did?

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
And was there a fast rush for everybody to go
outside and confront these folks for some Yes? Did all
thirty to forty folks there empty out of the basement initially?

Speaker 27 (02:12:00):
Enough?

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
Eventually did they all empty out of the basement?

Speaker 16 (02:12:03):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
You described that you walked.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
Down the driveway right. Did you walk down the driveway
casually and leisurely? Or was it a quick walk or
was it even a run? It was a quick walk,
quick walk. Were others side by side with you, shoulder
to shoulder?

Speaker 3 (02:12:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
How many people?

Speaker 6 (02:12:20):
About ten to fifteen?

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
Others behind you?

Speaker 3 (02:12:23):
Yes? Behind me? Others in front of you? Or were
you leading?

Speaker 6 (02:12:26):
I was kind of in the front.

Speaker 3 (02:12:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
And who did you expect to find in that vehicle?

Speaker 6 (02:12:37):
I just knew about Mackenzie. I didn't know who else.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
You was with when you went out to that vehicle.
Were you expecting this to be anybody that you had
heard about already?

Speaker 3 (02:12:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:12:47):
Once I was me to wear.

Speaker 1 (02:12:49):
And you were made aware as soon as Ryan Hines
and Griffin Marsinsic showed up.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
Is that fair to say a little bit after but
before the car arrived? Correct? Just about it when they did?

Speaker 6 (02:13:02):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
And you described that the car parked across the street
on the other side of Laurel Glen Drive right, Yes,
And this thirty or forty of you go outside and
eventually you've surrounded this vehicle.

Speaker 6 (02:13:15):
Correct, not all thirty to forty but a group.

Speaker 3 (02:13:18):
Yes? How large would you describe that group as a group.

Speaker 6 (02:13:20):
That surrounded the car? Was about ten to fifteen people.

Speaker 1 (02:13:23):
Ten to fifteen yes, And what were the other fifteen
to twenty five folks doing, either minding.

Speaker 6 (02:13:29):
Their business in the background or streaming?

Speaker 1 (02:13:33):
Okay, there to say you weren't really aware of exactly
what they were doing.

Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
The people behind me, Now, I was not aware what
they were doing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
And at some point you described going up to the
vehicle correct, Yes, the rear passenger door correct.

Speaker 3 (02:13:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
And at some point that window comes down, right and
you can see inside Roe Valley correct, yes. Mackenzie traffic
Canty yes, and Tyler Disilva corres And did they display
any weapons to you? No, And in fact you knew
mister Valley correct, Yes, you'd seen him before and been
friendly with him, correct, Yes, And he wasn't threatening you

(02:14:07):
in any way when he rolled down the window.

Speaker 6 (02:14:09):
Was he not me personally?

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
And in fact he was having a conversation with you,
was he not?

Speaker 3 (02:14:13):
He was?

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
And the nature of that conversation was what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (02:14:18):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:14:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
And you said this doesn't have anything to do with you, right, correct.
And you say that then mister Valley threatened that if
people didn't get away from the car, he was going
to smash a bottle. Yes, But you didn't see him
with the bottle, did you?

Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
I did not. Did you see him with anything in
his hands?

Speaker 6 (02:14:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:14:38):
And you described missus Trafficanti is also being in the
back seat. Yes, in fact, she was sitting on mister
Valley's lap.

Speaker 3 (02:14:45):
Correct. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Now, when that vehicle first arrived showing you stay Exhibit thirty,
is that a vehicle that you saw that night as
you came. Yes, that's the vehicle that arrived with the
Saint Joe's kids in it.

Speaker 6 (02:15:03):
Yes, And you knew three of the people in that car, correct. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
When that vehicle arrived, it did not have this shattered
glass and when shielded from the passenger side, did it?

Speaker 6 (02:15:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
Did you ever hear any glass shadow that evening?

Speaker 3 (02:15:22):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
Do you know a Jack Snyder?

Speaker 6 (02:15:25):
I had heard of him, but I never met him.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
Never met him yourself. Yes, you said you knew Tyler
de Silva from other parties.

Speaker 3 (02:15:36):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (02:15:36):
I've met him before one time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
And you knew missus Traffickanty from middle school?

Speaker 6 (02:15:41):
Right, Yes, grew up there.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
And how did you know mister Valley.

Speaker 6 (02:15:47):
From parties at like Saint Jog's people's houses.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
You yourself were not at the earlier party at five
Lazy Brook, correct. No, you said that after you had
this conversation with mister Valley where he didn't threaten you,
but you claim he did threaten to smash a bottle
if people didn't back away.

Speaker 2 (02:16:09):
You said you walked up the driveway.

Speaker 6 (02:16:11):
Right, I walked back to the end of the driveway.

Speaker 3 (02:16:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
Did anybody else walk back up the driveway with you?
Not that I remember the rest of the people were
surrounding the car at this point.

Speaker 6 (02:16:22):
There were still people surriving the car.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
Yes, surrounding the vehicle on all sides.

Speaker 3 (02:16:26):
Correct, Just about.

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
If somebody was in that vehicle and they wanted to
back up or drive forward, they might have hit somebody, right, Yes,
did you see somebody reach through the front passenger window
and punch the driver, I'm sorry, through the front driver's
window and punch the driver.

Speaker 6 (02:16:42):
I did not see anything like that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
Were people blocking your view of the front driver's side?

Speaker 3 (02:16:47):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:16:49):
And again at this point, do you think it's still
ten to fifteen people surrounding the car or had it
grown larger at that day?

Speaker 6 (02:16:56):
I think it just stayed the same, if not less?

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
You think less, even though you're the only one that
walked back.

Speaker 6 (02:17:01):
Well, I'm just I don't I backed away. Well, I'm
saying it could have been less.

Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
I don't know when you backed away and walked up
the driveway. How far up the driveway did you get?

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
I just stayed.

Speaker 6 (02:17:11):
I walked up back to the end of the driveway.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
So you crossed the street, Yeah, basically across the street.

Speaker 1 (02:17:16):
Yeah, you're standing at the end of the driveway near
the mailbox.

Speaker 6 (02:17:19):
Yes, a little to the left of it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
Okay, anybody else in the driveway with you at that?

Speaker 6 (02:17:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:17:25):
How many people?

Speaker 6 (02:17:27):
Ten people who were there? I don't recall who do.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
You recall any of them. No, so you'd think it
was ten people, but you can't tell us who any
of them were.

Speaker 6 (02:17:36):
I can't tell you anything more that you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Knew everybody at that party except for the kids in
the Saint Joe's car.

Speaker 6 (02:17:40):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
At some point you heard more screaming and yelling right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Yes, And in fact you saw people from the Shelton
High kids start to touch that vehicle right, Yes. In fact,
they didn't just touch the vehicle, they started rocking the
vehicle right, yes, shaking the vehicle right.

Speaker 6 (02:18:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
You could see physically the.

Speaker 6 (02:18:02):
Car moving right yes.

Speaker 3 (02:18:04):
Could you hear it being pounded on? Yes? Could you also.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
See anybody throw glass bottles?

Speaker 6 (02:18:12):
I did not see anything like that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
At some point, you did seize the Shelton and I
kids start to throw things at the vehicle, correct.

Speaker 6 (02:18:20):
I did not see anything being thrown ever ever. No.

Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Okay, Well you described for us that you observed the
car take off and it was driving crazy right.

Speaker 6 (02:18:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:18:33):
Did you see Tyler rich at that point?

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:18:35):
Where was he kind of in the street, still walking
back towards.

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
The driveway, walking back towards the driveway. Yes, And you
said that the car took off driving crazy. And at
the end of the driveway where you were standing, you
observed the car.

Speaker 6 (02:18:51):
Stop, correct, after driving back and forth?

Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
Okay, and you observed the car stop and people got
out right.

Speaker 6 (02:18:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
And that was down in front a bad house close
to the corner of Laurel Glenn and Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 6 (02:19:03):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (02:19:03):
Yes, thirty six Laurel Glenn Drive.

Speaker 6 (02:19:06):
If that's the address. I don't know the address, not.

Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
Sure of the address.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
You were still standing in the driveway at that point, yes, And.

Speaker 28 (02:19:17):
You could see that some people got out of the
car right once they had gotten out, Yes, And then
a group of us.

Speaker 6 (02:19:24):
Walked towards the car.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
Okay, who were the people that had gotten out of
that vehicle?

Speaker 15 (02:19:28):
I couldn't tell at the time because I was so
far away still, but as I got closer, I could
tell it was tirtis.

Speaker 3 (02:19:35):
Ova and you know.

Speaker 1 (02:19:38):
In miss traffick Anty as well.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
Yes, three people got out of the vehicle.

Speaker 6 (02:19:42):
Three people, but I only saw two at first.

Speaker 9 (02:19:45):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
And you described that yourself. Tyler rich and Ricky Fiola
walked down the street towards where you saw these people
get out of the vehicle, correct, Yes, And that that
was it's the light post that was just past that house, correct, Yes?
And I think you pointed out on the State's Exhibit

(02:20:08):
one there behind you that was the wooded area just
before Laurel Glenn Drive, thirty six Laureland Drive.

Speaker 6 (02:20:14):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (02:20:15):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
Did you speak with anybody as you walked down there
towards that.

Speaker 6 (02:20:22):
Group my friends? I was speaking to you on the
way down there. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:20:25):
Did you get close enough to identify Tyler de Silva,
Rebel Valley, and Mackenzie Traffic?

Speaker 9 (02:20:32):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:20:32):
I could see their faces.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
You could see their faces. Did you say anything to them?

Speaker 6 (02:20:36):
Just get out of here?

Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
Leave?

Speaker 1 (02:20:38):
How close do you think you were when you said this.

Speaker 6 (02:20:41):
Ten fifteen feet away?

Speaker 1 (02:20:42):
You got ten to fifteen feet away from them. Yes,
you named Tyler rich, you named Ricky Fiola. You said
that others were with you as well? Yes, how many others?

Speaker 6 (02:20:55):
There was about ten of us total, so.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
You think another seven?

Speaker 3 (02:21:01):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
You didn't see any of them throwing anything?

Speaker 6 (02:21:07):
No, I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:21:08):
You didn't see mister Valley approach first off with drunk
when you were walking down and we can use exhibit
one here. If you would point out to me which
side of the street you saw mister Valley and mister
d Silva on.

Speaker 6 (02:21:25):
They were on the right side of the street, so
like over here is next to the light pole.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
On.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
But they were on the right side of the road,
on the side opposite from mister Rich's house. Yes, and
that was mister d Silva, Miss traffick Ante, and mister
Valley were all on that side of the house, on.

Speaker 6 (02:21:44):
The side of the street. They were in the middle
on the side.

Speaker 1 (02:21:49):
You think that they were in the middle, on the
side closer to that house there, on the opposite side
of the street from mister Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:21:59):
And you don't recall saying anything to them other than
get out of hair.

Speaker 6 (02:22:02):
Leave.

Speaker 3 (02:22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
Did you see any weapons in any of their hands?

Speaker 6 (02:22:06):
No, I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:22:07):
Did they utter any threats towards your group, not that
I heard. Did you see any of your group interact.

Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
With those people?

Speaker 6 (02:22:16):
Just more talking but nothing physical.

Speaker 1 (02:22:21):
Did you see mister Valley come out of the bushes
and approach mister Rich, I did not. Did you see
anybody come out of the bushes and approach mister Rich.

Speaker 6 (02:22:34):
No, I was inside.

Speaker 1 (02:22:36):
You were inside.

Speaker 15 (02:22:37):
At what point after in the middle of them all talking,
Tyler said get back to the house. So I proceeded
to leave and go back to the house. And that's
when I was inside talking. I didn't know what was
happening outside after that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
Were you walking with mister rich No, I was not.

Speaker 6 (02:22:52):
I was in front of him. I was one of
the first to get back to the house.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
Were you walking with anybody else?

Speaker 6 (02:22:56):
I was walking with two people who were there.

Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
I don't recall when you got back to the house.

Speaker 1 (02:23:03):
You went back into the basement, Yes, through those same
bill codors. Yeah, and you were in there, you said,
maybe for three or four minutes, as if there to.

Speaker 6 (02:23:12):
Say, no longer, a little bit longer than that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
Were you doing any more drinking while you were inside
the house? No? Who else was with you inside the house?

Speaker 6 (02:23:22):
There was a group of people. There was more than
I can identify.

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
Can you recall anybody that was with you?

Speaker 6 (02:23:28):
Jeremioko?

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
And how do you know Jeremioko longtime friend?

Speaker 6 (02:23:35):
Middle school high school football.

Speaker 1 (02:23:38):
Also went to Chelton High. Yes, he didn't give you
a ride there that night, but he was going to
give you the ride home.

Speaker 9 (02:23:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:23:47):
At some point you left the house and you came
outside right yes. And you went into the front yard
right yes. And you said you saw your friends on
the floor you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:59):
Thought they were fighting.

Speaker 6 (02:24:00):
Yes.

Speaker 28 (02:24:02):
How many people did you see in the yard at
that point? Twenty or more did you see, mister Valley,
I did not. I saw people run away. I couldn't
identify face.

Speaker 1 (02:24:14):
You say you saw people run away towards the car
that they came from, so you could still see the.

Speaker 3 (02:24:18):
Car at that point.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
Yes, And at that point you were by the black
truck that we saw in the yes exhibit that you described.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
And at no point in that evening did you see
a knife?

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
Correct?

Speaker 27 (02:24:32):
No, I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
Not when you were at the vehicle. No, not when
you were down at farmhouse Lane. No, not when you
came out into the yard later, correct.

Speaker 6 (02:24:40):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
You also did not see anybody throwing anything at the vehicle,
is that correct?

Speaker 6 (02:24:45):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (02:24:47):
Now, initially you told the cops that there was no
drinking going on at the party, correct, Yes. And you
did that because you didn't want to get in trouble, right, Yes,
you didn't want your friends to get.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
In trouble right.

Speaker 6 (02:24:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:25:00):
And in fact, when did you first learn that there
was a video of all of this?

Speaker 6 (02:25:07):
I really can't recall when I was made aware.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
But you did tell the cops about that almost a
week later, right, yes? And you told them that Tyler
rich and Tanner Chernowski had videos.

Speaker 15 (02:25:20):
Right, Yes, I was told this is what I was
telling you what I was told. I knew about the
video from Tanner.

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
You knew that Tanner had a video, Yes, I was made.
Where after?

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Are you friends or can you see his snapchat stories.

Speaker 3 (02:25:38):
Right now? Yes? At the time at the time, could I?

Speaker 6 (02:25:41):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:25:42):
And did you see that he had in fact posted
one of those videos that very evening?

Speaker 3 (02:25:46):
I didn't. I was not on my phone.

Speaker 1 (02:25:48):
Have you since seen a video that he posted that
evening I was posting.

Speaker 6 (02:25:53):
I haven't seen the video. Yes, I've seen the video.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
You weren't outside, however, when that video was taken, not outside.
Did you see Enrique or Ricky Fiola that evening taking
a video?

Speaker 6 (02:26:06):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Did you see him with his phone out and a
light on from that phone.

Speaker 6 (02:26:12):
At some point? Yes, there was lights on, but a
lot of people had lights on their phones.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
How many people did you see with their phones out
and the lights on throughout the night?

Speaker 6 (02:26:23):
Ten people?

Speaker 3 (02:26:25):
And after this you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
Told us that folks started talking with one another about
what they had seen. Correct, And some folks were telling
you that they had seen the fight, but you yourself
had not seen the fight.

Speaker 3 (02:26:39):
Is that fair?

Speaker 6 (02:26:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
And your initial statement that you gave on May fifteenth,
you said all that you saw was people fighting and
kids getting thrown around.

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:26:47):
About nine days later, on the twenty fourth, you came
in and you gave more information than the initial statement.

Speaker 3 (02:26:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
Yes, that was after you'd come to learn that there
was a video that captured this correct.

Speaker 6 (02:27:00):
Yes, And just to be.

Speaker 1 (02:27:03):
Certain about this, you didn't see any of the fights
that occurred in the front yard. I did not see
any of it because you were in the basement if
I was in the basement. Nothing further, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:17):
All right, So one quick question.

Speaker 4 (02:27:19):
If you were sure, If your redirect is going to
be very quick, we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:23):
With regards to the video, did you ever see that
video on Snapchat?

Speaker 6 (02:27:26):
Or did you see it?

Speaker 15 (02:27:29):
I just saw it like sent to me, sent you
like the text message snapchat, but like not on like
a story and it wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (02:27:38):
Was it sent to you that night or no, at
a later time, at a later time, yes, no further.

Speaker 4 (02:27:43):
Question anything further.

Speaker 9 (02:27:46):
Did you tell the cops that you had that video
sent to you?

Speaker 6 (02:27:50):
Not that I recall, nothing further, nothing furlier.

Speaker 5 (02:27:55):
Sorry, well, yeah, thank you. Please watch your stuff as
you ex the witness box time.

Speaker 9 (02:28:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
All right, so it's just about one o'clock.

Speaker 5 (02:28:04):
We are going to go into our lunch hours, so
I am going to excuse you from lunch, ladies and
gentlemen of the jury.

Speaker 4 (02:28:10):
I am going to remind you of your obligation of
your own.

Speaker 5 (02:28:14):
Says jurors, your dur conduct, and also the instructions that
I've given, not just once, but I believe I've repeated them.
So please continue to abide by those instructions and have
a nice lunch, and we'll pick evidence.

Speaker 4 (02:28:25):
Back up today at two o'clock. Thank you. Court stands
and recess until.

Speaker 27 (02:28:28):
Two st.

Speaker 20 (02:35:00):
Woden, woldenden, Captain.

Speaker 6 (02:36:39):
Doctor, Captain.

Speaker 4 (02:37:34):
M didn't.

Speaker 16 (02:37:38):
Don't didn't diss h.

Speaker 4 (02:39:23):
Thank you, counsel. Are we ready to proceed? Okay, thank you,
Madame Clerk sleeping.

Speaker 3 (02:39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
I'm gonna probably use please no money version.

Speaker 3 (02:39:39):
And then I'm shows the.

Speaker 5 (02:39:43):
Welcome back ladies and Johnny Council. Please stipulate to the
return of the presence of our jury.

Speaker 4 (02:39:51):
All right, thank you. This is the state prepared to
call us next win.

Speaker 5 (02:39:55):
Good afternoon. Please step into the witness box. Please remain standing,
Madame Clerk will be.

Speaker 7 (02:40:01):
Thanks raising right here. Do you so when you swear
or solemn the sin, your firm as the ps that
the evidence you shall get on this peace shall be
a whole nothing about the truth. So help you God
or fund film to you for a dream?

Speaker 18 (02:40:15):
I do thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:40:16):
Please see your full name spelling your last.

Speaker 6 (02:40:18):
Name, Enrico Biola Fis and Frank e O l A.

Speaker 10 (02:40:23):
Do you you see your address thirty four Ashwood Circle,
shall Connecticut six four.

Speaker 4 (02:40:29):
Thank you, thank you. You may be seated.

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
Ex do me fair and keep your voice up because
there's a fan that's blowing just so we can all
hear you.

Speaker 3 (02:40:38):
Okay, sir h Enrico? Do you go by anything else? Ricky?

Speaker 6 (02:40:44):
Are you nervous to be here today?

Speaker 3 (02:40:45):
A little bit?

Speaker 6 (02:40:47):
How old are you twenty years old?

Speaker 3 (02:40:50):
And are you currently in school? Yes? Where do you
go to school? University of Connecticut? And what are you study? Psychology?

Speaker 9 (02:40:57):
And uh?

Speaker 6 (02:40:59):
Do you work? Yes?

Speaker 10 (02:41:00):
I worked two jobs for an insurance company out of
Ohio American Income and then I worked for a roofing
company out of Watertown, Modern Way roofing.

Speaker 2 (02:41:11):
Now prior to your testimony today, have we met?

Speaker 3 (02:41:14):
Yes, we have.

Speaker 2 (02:41:14):
Why have we met?

Speaker 6 (02:41:16):
Just to go over everything regarding this.

Speaker 2 (02:41:19):
Case and directing your attention to May fourteenth to twenty
twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 6 (02:41:25):
I was seventeen years old?

Speaker 2 (02:41:27):
And were you in school?

Speaker 3 (02:41:29):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:41:29):
What school? Shelton High School?

Speaker 3 (02:41:31):
And what year were you?

Speaker 6 (02:41:33):
I was a junior?

Speaker 2 (02:41:35):
And on May fourteenth to twenty two? Did you have
an occasion withdrawn?

Speaker 3 (02:41:40):
When you were in school? Did you play any sports? Yes?

Speaker 10 (02:41:42):
I played football, basketball, and then during that junior year
I actually was playing lacrosse.

Speaker 2 (02:41:49):
Now on that on May fourteenth to twenty twenty two,
did you have an occasion to go to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 3 (02:41:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:41:57):
And why did you go to Tyler Richard's house?

Speaker 10 (02:42:00):
He had invited us. We were good friends. He invited
me and a couple of my friends over for gathering.
Nine that is yes, Tyler rich Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:42:14):
When you said you went over to his house for
a gathering?

Speaker 3 (02:42:17):
What kind of gathering?

Speaker 9 (02:42:18):
Was it.

Speaker 6 (02:42:20):
Like a pop party?

Speaker 10 (02:42:22):
Just friends people that we all knew, mainly shouting people
just getting together hanging out.

Speaker 2 (02:42:28):
Around What time would you say you got to uh,
Tyler Rich's.

Speaker 3 (02:42:32):
House around.

Speaker 6 (02:42:36):
Anywhere between nine nine fifteen.

Speaker 2 (02:42:40):
And when you got to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (02:42:43):
How many people were there?

Speaker 6 (02:42:48):
Between twenty five to thirty five people?

Speaker 2 (02:42:54):
And were you drinking that night?

Speaker 6 (02:42:57):
I only had one beer that night?

Speaker 2 (02:42:59):
Was anybody else drinking? And Telor's r Taylor Rich's.

Speaker 3 (02:43:01):
House that night? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:43:05):
Now are you familiar with uh?

Speaker 9 (02:43:08):
Withdrawn?

Speaker 6 (02:43:10):
Show you four? Do you know who the individual is?

Speaker 3 (02:43:14):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:43:15):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (02:43:16):
Faison Teal?

Speaker 9 (02:43:18):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:43:18):
Football teammate, good friend of mine?

Speaker 3 (02:43:21):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:43:21):
Great above me showing you fifty six? Are you familiar
with uh?

Speaker 3 (02:43:25):
This individual? Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:43:27):
Who is that Ryan Hines?

Speaker 9 (02:43:28):
How are you playing with them?

Speaker 10 (02:43:29):
Same same thing? Football teammates? Great below me? Good friend
showing you fifty five?

Speaker 6 (02:43:35):
Are you familiar with fifty five?

Speaker 3 (02:43:37):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:43:38):
Who is in state fifty five?

Speaker 6 (02:43:39):
Thomas Connery? How are you familiar with him?

Speaker 9 (02:43:42):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:43:43):
Great friend of mine? Known him for a long time?
Stage fifty seven? Are you familiar with the individual?

Speaker 9 (02:43:50):
Stage fifty seven?

Speaker 6 (02:43:51):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:43:52):
How are you familiar with this individual?

Speaker 3 (02:43:55):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:43:55):
Also incredible friend of mine. It's Jimmy. I actually took
that picture before we left.

Speaker 3 (02:44:02):
Yes, Nick did Jesus' house and he took his picture. Yes, Yes,
so did you? Yes, you with anybody else?

Speaker 6 (02:44:16):
Nicky did Jesus? And I don't recall if it was
sal Perry or if it was just us three?

Speaker 9 (02:44:24):
Now, uh.

Speaker 3 (02:44:26):
Are you are you?

Speaker 6 (02:44:28):
You said you mentioned sal Perry? You're familiar with sal Perry?

Speaker 14 (02:44:30):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:44:30):
How are you familiar with him?

Speaker 10 (02:44:31):
Also a good friend of mine. He's a year older
than me. Been been friends with them for probably since
like sixth grade or so.

Speaker 6 (02:44:38):
And was he at forty three Laurel Bline that night?

Speaker 3 (02:44:40):
Yes? Are you familiar with Mike sam Perry? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
How do you know him?

Speaker 6 (02:44:46):
Also?

Speaker 10 (02:44:47):
Same neighborhood as Thomas Connery. I used to hang out
around there a lot. He's a year below me.

Speaker 2 (02:44:53):
And how about Alex Burnston?

Speaker 6 (02:44:54):
Do you know him?

Speaker 10 (02:44:55):
I didn't know him too well at that time. I
knew he was a friend of Tanner Tchronowski's. It was
probably the maybe the second or third time I'd ran
into him at Tyler's house.

Speaker 3 (02:45:05):
He was there that night.

Speaker 2 (02:45:06):
Yes, How about Mike sam Perry? Was he also at
Teller Richard's house?

Speaker 3 (02:45:08):
Yes, Sir Charlie Connery?

Speaker 6 (02:45:11):
You know Charlie, yes, very well, A great friend of mine.

Speaker 10 (02:45:14):
Grew up together, played sports together, Tommy's brother.

Speaker 3 (02:45:19):
Yeah, great friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (02:45:20):
How about Jacob bill Lobos.

Speaker 6 (02:45:21):
Also another great friend of mine? Football player?

Speaker 2 (02:45:24):
And how about Matt Lokovich.

Speaker 10 (02:45:27):
Same thing, same category, football teammate, knew him for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (02:45:31):
And the individuals I just mentioned were they all also
at forty three Louis.

Speaker 9 (02:45:34):
Glen that night?

Speaker 6 (02:45:35):
Yes, they were?

Speaker 2 (02:45:36):
And what kinds of things were going on? What's wrong
when you got to forty three Laurel Glenn? How did
you did you go in the house?

Speaker 3 (02:45:44):
Yes? How did you go in the house?

Speaker 10 (02:45:46):
The guy entered through the side door. It's just on
the side of the garage, left side of the garage.

Speaker 2 (02:45:53):
And when you went into the side door, or did
you go in the house?

Speaker 6 (02:45:57):
I just went down to the basement.

Speaker 2 (02:45:58):
And what kinds of things were happening in the basement
when you went to the basement.

Speaker 6 (02:46:03):
People, a lot of people talking. There's some drinking music
going on. That's really it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:10):
And at some point, at some point in time with
Ron are you familiar with Griffin Marsinsic?

Speaker 3 (02:46:17):
Yes, how do you know him?

Speaker 10 (02:46:19):
Looks you know, younger, younger than me, grew up same neighborhood,
kind of we used to, you know, bike around hang
out together.

Speaker 6 (02:46:26):
Look at him like a little brother KNA.

Speaker 2 (02:46:28):
At some point in time, did Griffin Marcinsic and Ryan
Hines arrive at forty through Lauld Glenn?

Speaker 6 (02:46:33):
Then, Ah, yes they did.

Speaker 2 (02:46:35):
And did you have a conversation with either Ryan and
or Griffin?

Speaker 10 (02:46:40):
Yes, so I was made aware that they were coming
to Tyler's house after something had happened a couple of
streets down right around the corner.

Speaker 6 (02:46:50):
I think it's Lazy Brook Road.

Speaker 2 (02:46:53):
And how long were you would you say you were
there at forty three Laurel Glenn prior to Ryan and
Griffin been arriving, if.

Speaker 10 (02:47:01):
You recall, probably anywhere around an hour, maybe forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:47:08):
So at some point in time after you spoke with
Ryan and Griffin, were you made aware of.

Speaker 3 (02:47:18):
A car arriving at the house.

Speaker 10 (02:47:20):
Yes, so it was probably within five to ten minutes
after Ryan and Griffin had arrived that a car that
we didn't recognize had showed up.

Speaker 6 (02:47:34):
I was made aware by one of the people at
the house.

Speaker 2 (02:47:37):
Now, prior to the car arriving, were you aware of
any group message or group chat that was going on?

Speaker 6 (02:47:45):
No, I was not.

Speaker 2 (02:47:46):
Were you ever part of that group message or group
chat at any point in time that night, No, sir,
Since this incident had occurred, have you been made aware
of the group chat that was going on.

Speaker 3 (02:47:55):
That night, Yes, but you weren't part of it, no, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:47:59):
So when you heard that there was a car that
arrived outside, can you tell the lazy and gentlemen the
jury what you did?

Speaker 10 (02:48:06):
So, when I was made aware of the car arriving,
the homeowner had rallied up a couple of his good friends.
I'd say it was a little bit over ten of
them just to kind of go outside and confront the car,
because to our knowledge, we had known that this was
the car that had individuals in it that had been

(02:48:28):
involved in the in the altercation I was made aware
of at Lazybrook, where you know, one of our friends
was physically harmed. So we had went outside to at
least confront them and asked them why they were even
at Tyler's house in the first place.

Speaker 9 (02:48:44):
Did you walk out of the house at some point?

Speaker 3 (02:48:46):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:48:47):
How did you get out of the house?

Speaker 10 (02:48:48):
I had left through these bellcode doors on the If
you're looking at the garage to the right side of.

Speaker 6 (02:48:53):
It, on the right side of the house, nine wouldn't
that be? Yes, yes, sir, Yes, When you walk out
Bilco doors, how did you walk? How did you walk?

Speaker 3 (02:49:11):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (02:49:13):
How did you approach the car?

Speaker 2 (02:49:16):
So?

Speaker 10 (02:49:16):
I I walked kind of through that opening where the
trees on the right side. Yeah, so right through that opening,
and I just kind of walked down the driveway approached
the car.

Speaker 8 (02:49:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:49:31):
Where did you if you can recall, where did you
you remember seeing the car that arrived at.

Speaker 3 (02:49:37):
Where did you? Yes?

Speaker 10 (02:49:40):
So the car was parked from what I can remember,
s almost kind of blocking the driveway, not all the
way up to the left side of the driveway, but
more so like in the middle of the road, kind
of blocking in a little bit right aun this area
where pot Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 (02:49:56):
The record can reflect that to the middle of Laurel
Glen and just too big left of the driveway in
the center of the road and you're facing forty three Laurel.

Speaker 4 (02:50:07):
All right, car the record will sorry black, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:50:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:50:10):
So you saw the car in the middle of the
road there, Do you remember what kind of car was?

Speaker 3 (02:50:19):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:50:19):
I remember it being a dark colored Honda Pilot show
your state thirties is the car they were called seeing
that night? Five and forty three World Lend on May
fourteen to twenty two. Was it facing which way? Was
it facing children forty nine? Which way was it facing?
Was it facing Adams Road or was it facing farmhouse?

(02:50:42):
The car was facing farmhouse and up the road.

Speaker 2 (02:50:46):
Did you approach the car?

Speaker 3 (02:50:48):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:50:50):
Did anybody else approach the car?

Speaker 6 (02:50:52):
Yes, give or take ten to twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:50:56):
And when you approached the car, can you tell the
ladies and gentlemen of the jury what you did? So?

Speaker 10 (02:51:02):
I was approaching the car to first off acknowledge who
it was because I was less aware of the situation
at the time.

Speaker 6 (02:51:12):
I had just known that somebody was involved.

Speaker 10 (02:51:15):
So I had approached the car to kind of just
confront and figure out who was in it, and also
just be there for for Tyler because there was a
car basically blocking his driveway and we wanted to get out.

Speaker 3 (02:51:26):
Of the way.

Speaker 2 (02:51:28):
And when you approached the car, did you what side of.

Speaker 3 (02:51:31):
The car did you approach?

Speaker 6 (02:51:32):
I stayed on the driver's side, so closest to Tyler's house.

Speaker 2 (02:51:37):
And when you got up to the car, did you
have any conversations with the occupants.

Speaker 9 (02:51:42):
Of that car.

Speaker 10 (02:51:43):
No, I never had any direct conversations. I just know
there was a couple of words being said between individuals
around the car.

Speaker 2 (02:51:50):
Did you notice anybody in the car that was familiar
to you?

Speaker 3 (02:51:53):
Yes? I noticed Tyler de Silva and Rawel.

Speaker 2 (02:51:58):
Valet and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 3 (02:51:59):
How you know tel the DeSilva.

Speaker 10 (02:52:02):
I know his family, some of them are from Shelton.
I grew up played some sports with his cousin, so
I was.

Speaker 6 (02:52:09):
I knew who he was.

Speaker 3 (02:52:10):
And you mentioned Raul Valley.

Speaker 2 (02:52:12):
How do you know him?

Speaker 10 (02:52:13):
I had previously been at a couple of different functions
I guess parties or more just get gatherings where he was.

Speaker 3 (02:52:22):
He was there.

Speaker 6 (02:52:22):
I wasn't really friendly or you know, a friend of his.
I just knew who he was.

Speaker 2 (02:52:28):
And is Roe Valley president in the courtroom today?

Speaker 3 (02:52:30):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 6 (02:52:31):
And what is he wearing? A blue jacket, light pink shirt,
black tie?

Speaker 2 (02:52:38):
Can you please point him out for the record? Rememdy
the record reflect the witnesses identified the defendant in this case.

Speaker 6 (02:52:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:52:46):
Now do you know whether or not the defendant has
any nickname?

Speaker 3 (02:52:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:52:54):
Now, when you when you recognized mister de Silva and
the defendant in the car on that and what if
anything did you did you have an interaction with them.

Speaker 6 (02:53:04):
No, not a direct interaction.

Speaker 10 (02:53:06):
I can't recall if I had said any thing, kind
of just like hey, get out of here, what are
you guys doing here?

Speaker 24 (02:53:11):
But I know.

Speaker 10 (02:53:13):
We were just kind of trying to I'll show them
out of the area, but also posing question as to
why they were putting hands on our friend previously, and
just kind of just concerned for the occasion.

Speaker 2 (02:53:28):
I guess in that friend that you're mentioning is is
that mister Hines.

Speaker 3 (02:53:31):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:53:32):
So at some point in time that interaction between your
group of friends in the car, did that get heated
at all?

Speaker 3 (02:53:43):
I would say voices might have been raised.

Speaker 10 (02:53:48):
I just I remember us kind of yelling a little
bit like you know, you guys jumped our boy, like
what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (02:53:57):
Either get out or leave?

Speaker 10 (02:53:58):
But we were definitely more so telling them to leave
because we didn't know we could foresee it possible trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:54:05):
So time, what time would you say that the Honda
pilot showed up to Tyler Rich's house? You had gotten there,
you said around fifteen?

Speaker 10 (02:54:16):
Could this had been like probably, I want to say
after ten o'clock, and at.

Speaker 2 (02:54:22):
Some point in time was there an interaction between your
group of friends and the people in the hand the
pilot prior to withdraw. Did the Honda pilot at some
point leave the area? Yes, before it led the air
left the area. Was there an interaction, a physical interaction
between your group of friends and behind the pilot as
far as your group of friends maybe putting their hands

(02:54:44):
or throwing things up the car they were I.

Speaker 10 (02:54:46):
Don't recall any physical altercation with the car at least
I remember the individuals in the car were kind of
just looking at us. I really can't remember if anything
was said. I know, we were just kind of ye like,
like I said, you know, what are you guys doing here?
You guys jumped our friend. But as for any type

(02:55:08):
of physicalality, I just remember the car like speeding off
and I was kind of having us scatter out of
the way.

Speaker 2 (02:55:14):
And when the car sped off and you had to
scatter out of the way, what if anything happened next?

Speaker 10 (02:55:19):
So most of the individuals that were from Tyler's house
had kind of made their way back towards the house.
I just remember glancing towards down the road and seeing
that the car didn't fully leave. I just saw the
car kind of come to like a see the brake
lights get on down the road. So me and a

(02:55:40):
couple of individuals stayed around just to wonder what they
were doing.

Speaker 2 (02:55:44):
I guess prior to prior to that happened, you were
called the car drove up and down the road.

Speaker 3 (02:55:48):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (02:55:49):
And so at some point in time you were called
the car being stopped down the road. Yes, And when
you did you observe what happened when you observed the
car down the road stopped?

Speaker 10 (02:56:00):
I remember some doors opening, which in a couple moments later,
at some point, me and a couple individuals decided to
go down in a non aggressive way, just actually just
to kind of tell the individuals in the car, you know,
you guys should probably leave and almost you know, try

(02:56:21):
to confront them and wonder what was going on.

Speaker 3 (02:56:23):
And so did you go down the street? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:56:26):
Who did you go down the street with?

Speaker 10 (02:56:28):
Charlie Connery, ty Wood, Aiden King, Tyler Rich, Matthew Lokovich.

Speaker 6 (02:56:36):
There might have been one more person I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (02:56:39):
And when you went down the street with Drun did
you have any weapons on you that night? No, sir,
do you recall seeing any of your friends whether or
not they had any weapons on them that that night.

Speaker 3 (02:56:50):
No, no, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:56:51):
And when you went down the street, do you recall
if anybody in your group of friends that walked down
the street did they have any weapons.

Speaker 3 (02:56:58):
On them at that point in time? No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:57:02):
And when you went down the street, did you observe
who had gotten out of the car.

Speaker 3 (02:57:09):
When you got down the street?

Speaker 10 (02:57:11):
Not fully, I wasn't necessarily looking at who was getting
out of the car. I was just I saw that
doors were opening. There were more people in the car
than I had thought.

Speaker 2 (02:57:22):
I guess can you tell the ladies and gentlemen the
jury When you went down the street, did you all
go in a big group or was it like how
did that happen?

Speaker 3 (02:57:29):
No?

Speaker 10 (02:57:30):
We were all one group. I remember walking down with
I think it was Charlie and Tye next to me.
But it was the group that I had mentioned previously,
just previously. It was broken up a little bit, but
we all went down around the same moment, around the
same time.

Speaker 6 (02:57:47):
We just weren't in a pack.

Speaker 2 (02:57:48):
And when you went down the street, did you observe
Tyler Rich do anything down the street?

Speaker 6 (02:57:55):
I did not observe him do anything.

Speaker 10 (02:57:57):
I was just made aware of PB blaster can that
was thrown from the car that he had picked up
and sprayed.

Speaker 2 (02:58:06):
And so were you present when that PB blaster was sprayed?

Speaker 10 (02:58:10):
I did not see it. I don't know if I
was present. I just I don't remember seeing it.

Speaker 3 (02:58:14):
And what is p B blaster? Do you know what
it is?

Speaker 10 (02:58:17):
I think it might be something close to like w
D forty, just some type of spray mechanical or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:58:24):
So at some point in time you became aware that
someone was sprayed with the p B blaster or w
D forty. Yes, And when you when you were made
aware of this was that down the street down towards farmhouse.

Speaker 10 (02:58:39):
So from what I can recall, when I was approaching
the individuals that were down the street, some point in time,
whilst I was walking down or around that area, I
was made aware that.

Speaker 6 (02:58:56):
Tyler had sprayed Lido with the t B blaster.

Speaker 2 (02:59:02):
And I'm gonna show you State's Exhibit forty.

Speaker 9 (02:59:09):
Have you seen the ring camera from Thursday?

Speaker 3 (02:59:14):
Yes, sir about where you sold the car.

Speaker 6 (02:59:16):
And stopped, Yes, sir, would yes, Tyler Rich, Now do
you know whether you're with this group of people there
were in.

Speaker 3 (02:59:29):
Your I don't recall if I was with that particular.

Speaker 2 (02:59:32):
Group at the time that the State's Exhibit forty four
we just played that that the camera view from the
rent from the ring doorbell. Uh, do you recall whether
or not that part of it took place before this
WD forty incident or after.

Speaker 10 (02:59:53):
I'm almost certain that that video was before anything was
sprayed at the defendant.

Speaker 2 (03:00:00):
So at some point in time, you come down the street,
and when you're down the street, tell us what your
participation is in walking down the street.

Speaker 6 (03:00:09):
So I did not go towards the left side of
the street.

Speaker 10 (03:00:13):
If you're looking down from Tyler's house where that car
I pulled off, I was more so on the right side,
just observing, but also making sure nothing was going on
that could be bad or you know, possibly harmful.

Speaker 6 (03:00:29):
We're looking at stage. You're on the right side down here, Yes, sir,
point to.

Speaker 11 (03:00:35):
The right side of lower Land towards farmhouse room where
this first was like this first uh telephone bullets about
where you.

Speaker 6 (03:00:42):
Were in that area? Do you mind moving your finger
a little bit? No, just like out of the picture
for a second. Yes, that was where I was, and
when you went.

Speaker 2 (03:00:54):
Down there, what if anything happened when you were down there.

Speaker 6 (03:00:58):
So I didn't interact with anyone outside of one person.

Speaker 10 (03:01:05):
When I had walked down, I was made aware that
the defendant was sprayed by PB blaster, and in that moment,
I decided to approach the defendant.

Speaker 6 (03:01:17):
I didn't see him sprayed.

Speaker 10 (03:01:20):
It was just moments after I had found out he was,
and I approached him with intent to almost take his
side so that he would listen to me at least.
And I had said, hey, man, look, you know, I
don't think it was right that he sprayed you. But listen,
there's a lot of people back at his house. I'm
not trying to fight. I don't think anyone here really

(03:01:40):
is trying to fight. I think you guys should just leave.
There's not a lot of you guys. And you know,
while I was saying this to him, he was holding
a knife in his left hand. His girlfriend, Mackenzie Trafconti
was sitting down on the curb to his left to
my right when I was speaking face to face with him,
I had I didn't notice it right away, but I

(03:02:02):
glanced down and saw him holding a blade in his hand,
So I, you know, quickly just finished up what I
had to say. Didn't seem like he was too interested
to begin with, and he just kind of dismissed me,
and I just walked away, and that was that. I
actually walked away and conversed with Charlie Connery right after
and let him know that I just saw Leado.

Speaker 6 (03:02:20):
With a knife.

Speaker 3 (03:02:21):
And how would you describe the knife?

Speaker 10 (03:02:25):
I didn't see any type of handle, but I guess
using my hand, it was just like a three inch
blade coming down from where his hand was closed.

Speaker 3 (03:02:35):
What was the lighting out like that night? It was
dark outside, but.

Speaker 10 (03:02:39):
I could totally see what was around, man, I mean
our eyes adapt and there was plenty of you know,
street lights, there was I don't I don't think there
were any flashlights on at the moment. But I was
not far from the defendant whatsoever. I could see everything.

Speaker 3 (03:02:52):
How far would you say you were from him when
you had this.

Speaker 2 (03:02:53):
Conversation with a foot and a half maybe and you
were called what the defendant was wearing that night?

Speaker 3 (03:03:00):
When you did when you were.

Speaker 6 (03:03:00):
Speaking with uh, black pants and some type of light
blue shirt, baby blue?

Speaker 2 (03:03:06):
And do you recall what Tyler de Silva was wearing
that night?

Speaker 10 (03:03:09):
Yeah, a pair of jeans and a blue baseball jersey,
light blue.

Speaker 2 (03:03:15):
And the conversation you had was with the defendant, not
Tyler Rich Do I mean Tyler de Silva excuse.

Speaker 3 (03:03:21):
Me, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:03:22):
And after you had this conversation with the defendant and
you witnessed him holding a knife, you, how long would
you say that conversation lasted?

Speaker 6 (03:03:33):
It was? It wasn't really even a conversation. It felt
like I was just talking at somebody and they were
just kind of like yes, sing me and then just
kind of like yep.

Speaker 2 (03:03:41):
Yep his reaction. Yeah, And did he say anything to.

Speaker 6 (03:03:45):
You, nothing other than yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:03:49):
And after you spoke to him, uh, what.

Speaker 6 (03:03:53):
Did you do next?

Speaker 10 (03:03:55):
I quickly turned around, kind of looked for where my
friends were at. I saw Charlie right away, Charles Connery.
We decided to walk back to Tyler's house together. And
I had let him know instantly, hey man, like I
was like, hey, Chuck, that guy's got a knife.

Speaker 3 (03:04:10):
Like what the hell?

Speaker 10 (03:04:11):
So, and then we just walked back to Tyler's house,
where Tyler was trying to corral anyone left outside back
into his basement.

Speaker 2 (03:04:22):
So did you in fact go back into Tyler's house.

Speaker 6 (03:04:24):
Yes, And where did you go? I went through the
Belco doors the same way I had walked out initially.

Speaker 2 (03:04:29):
And when you went back down to the basement, were
you drinking any alcohol at that point?

Speaker 3 (03:04:34):
No, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:04:35):
And when you went back down in the basement, how
long would you say you were in the basement.

Speaker 6 (03:04:39):
For not even ten minutes? It was anywhere between one
to five minutes long.

Speaker 2 (03:04:47):
And when you were in the basement for about five minutes,
did you have an occasion to.

Speaker 3 (03:04:53):
Come out of the basement for some reason? Yes, sir.
And why did you come out of the basement?

Speaker 10 (03:04:56):
For I had heard I was made a but I
actually heard somebody say like, hey, they're back, or you know,
they're they're here, something like that, which prompted me to
go back outside. You know, I went back outside because
I felt I was doing the right thing. I was
at my buddy's house, and I wanted to make sure
everything was okay.

Speaker 6 (03:05:15):
And when you got outside, did you exit the way
you went in the house?

Speaker 29 (03:05:20):
Yes, sir, Show Exhibit nine, so you would have come
out in this little opening.

Speaker 6 (03:05:28):
Here to the right of the yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:05:31):
And when you came out of the house, did you
come down the driveway.

Speaker 9 (03:05:34):
How did you come out?

Speaker 10 (03:05:35):
So when I had walked out of the bell cordors
in front of the blue truck, there's a space so
I could actually see that little front portion of the lawn.
So I had saw the two individuals. I hadn't seen
anything happen yet, but I there was people, a little
bit of people blocking, so I had to maneuver in
between the back of the black truck, I'm sorry, the

(03:05:57):
blue truck and in the front of that jeep barked
behind it, so I was actually like squeezing by in
between that.

Speaker 6 (03:06:03):
Just so I understand what you're saying. You came down
this area, walked down the driver a little bit, squeezed
in between.

Speaker 9 (03:06:09):
The blue truck and the jeep.

Speaker 3 (03:06:12):
Yes, that's correct, showing your stage.

Speaker 30 (03:06:15):
Exib five again, you would have come down and helt
this way on the driver's side of the blue truck,
then squeezed between the front bumber of the jeep and
the back bumper of who pickup truck.

Speaker 3 (03:06:28):
Yes, sir, when you.

Speaker 6 (03:06:30):
When you were coming out of the house, what did
you notice.

Speaker 2 (03:06:32):
About where with drawn? Who was on who was their
their back?

Speaker 10 (03:06:37):
Who who was on on the lawn at that point,
I know helped Tyler de Silva, Lido, Tyler Rich ty
Wood Tanner, Alex Bearnstein, Charles Connery, Tommy Connery, Ryan Hines, Faison,

(03:07:01):
Teal Griffin, Marsinziic Uh Taylor Capella, Lily Lombardy. I can't
recall anyone else. I know there were more people though,
but out.

Speaker 2 (03:07:14):
Of your friends those you know, was Tyler de Silva
and the defendant. Were they part of your friend group? No,
not at all, So so we know who your friends are.
When you came out of forty three Low Glenn, you
noticed the defendant and Tyler de Silva on the front lawn, correct.

Speaker 9 (03:07:30):
Now, are you able to tell in.

Speaker 11 (03:07:31):
This exhibit that's up where you witness the defendant and
Sla in the yard.

Speaker 3 (03:07:39):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (03:07:39):
So when I had walked out, you could see that
little gap in the front of the truck. You can
actually see the ac unit. So I had seen, uh,
Tyler de Silva and Lido. I don't know if they
were just done walking up or they had just been
standing there, but they were kind of around that red

(03:08:03):
bush area where our friends were kind of also around.

Speaker 6 (03:08:09):
But there was really only.

Speaker 10 (03:08:11):
Two or three people actually very close to the defendant
and Tyler. The rest of the people are kind of behind,
just watching.

Speaker 3 (03:08:20):
I guess what side of the the.

Speaker 6 (03:08:25):
You're looking away from forth your ureld land which side.

Speaker 9 (03:08:31):
Next to each other?

Speaker 6 (03:08:32):
Yeah, they were pretty close to each other.

Speaker 10 (03:08:34):
I don't recall exactly to a t where they were standing,
but it was to the left if you're looking like
from farmhouse towards there, to the left of this bush,
so closest to the picture.

Speaker 6 (03:08:48):
So they were amazing were they standing in this area here?

Speaker 3 (03:08:54):
Yes, and pointing to the.

Speaker 9 (03:08:56):
Left of the red bush and this exhibit.

Speaker 1 (03:09:00):
Five?

Speaker 6 (03:09:01):
Uh did you recall where so I have my two fingers?

Speaker 2 (03:09:05):
Would you recall if like my index finger is Tyler
de Silva or the defendant or my middle finger is
Tyler Disilver?

Speaker 6 (03:09:12):
You recall which side they were on? I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (03:09:15):
Do you recall who?

Speaker 1 (03:09:17):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:09:18):
What's run?

Speaker 6 (03:09:19):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:09:19):
Did did you?

Speaker 2 (03:09:20):
Did your friends approach the defendant?

Speaker 10 (03:09:22):
And so I hadn't been out of the basement yet,
because when I had walked out, it seemed like there
are people already out there.

Speaker 6 (03:09:31):
I don't it mustn't.

Speaker 10 (03:09:33):
Must not have been too long, because you know I
I I walked out, It seemed like they had just arrived.

Speaker 6 (03:09:40):
But I didn't really didn't. I don't really recall exactly
what you were asking.

Speaker 2 (03:09:45):
I'm sorry, what's round? Did you notice whether or not
the defendant and or Tyler de Silva we're having a
conversation with any of your friends?

Speaker 6 (03:09:55):
Seemed like Tyler de Silva was speaking to either Tyler
rich or somebody next to him.

Speaker 10 (03:10:04):
Like I said, there was only like two or three
of our friends that were actually like, not face to face,
but close enough to speak to the defendant and Tyler
to Silva. But there were probably a couple of words
that were exchanged from what I can remember.

Speaker 2 (03:10:19):
Yeah, was it argumentative?

Speaker 6 (03:10:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:10:22):
And can you explain to the ladies and gentlemen of
the jury. Are you just so we're clear, When you're
coming down the driveway and you're you're sneaking past the
jeep in the blue truck, are you watching what's going on?

Speaker 3 (03:10:36):
Are you listening to what's going on?

Speaker 10 (03:10:38):
So, when I had probably been by the back door
driver's side back door of the truck, I had heard
it get a little bit louder, and then as I
was squeezing through, I wasn't necessarily looking. It was Also,
there were some people standing around, so I wasn't looking

(03:10:59):
at what was going on. But what prompted me to
move faster was I heard what had sounded like a
punch hit someone's face, and I know what that sounds like,
So you know, I instantly started to speed up and
trying to squeeze through that as quick as possible and
get closer to this, to what.

Speaker 3 (03:11:13):
Was going on.

Speaker 2 (03:11:14):
And how do you know that you heard a punch?

Speaker 6 (03:11:18):
How do you know? How do you know it was?

Speaker 10 (03:11:20):
It was sounded like somebody got cracked in the face,
like it was just really it was a hard punch.
I had heard, like a bunch of yelling and then
a loud bang and it wasn't like a car door
bang or like a rock.

Speaker 6 (03:11:36):
I knew what it sounded like, at least to my.

Speaker 10 (03:11:38):
Knowledge, I thought it was a punch, And then from
what I had seen after made sense.

Speaker 2 (03:11:42):
So when you heard this, this punch happened, what, if anything,
did you observe next?

Speaker 10 (03:11:46):
So I instantly saw Tyler Rich and Da Silva wrestling.
I guess that they were on the ground together. It
looked like soil, but was like on his knees a little.

Speaker 6 (03:12:02):
Bit over Tyler rich with like his shirt pulled up,
but I know Tyler had some type of like grip
on his his like around his head or something. It looked,
you know, it was just really them.

Speaker 10 (03:12:12):
Too at that moment, but I had gotten closer to
them with a couple other individuals kind of just seeing
what was going on. We weren't ready to break it
up yet, but more so just observing, Like we knew
Tyler could handle something on his own, so.

Speaker 6 (03:12:24):
We were just not getting involved yet.

Speaker 3 (03:12:26):
So when this was going on, was were there were
there flashlights on? Was there light out there? Yes, so
individuals were holding their flashlights.

Speaker 27 (03:12:36):
I know that.

Speaker 6 (03:12:38):
There were some videos taken.

Speaker 10 (03:12:40):
I at the time was attempting to take a video
close up and then right when I had finished or
I can't remember if I took the video fully or
what had happened, but it was on Snapchat. And the
issue with Snapchat is when you take a video, it
doesn't save unless you choose to save it. So I
was taking a video and I had actually approached back

(03:13:02):
to right where I had entered that grass area, so
in between the truck and the jeep, I had walked
back after I took the video, to show Taylor Capella
and Lily Lombardi, and then within seconds of me pulling
my phone out to show them, or actually I had
my phone in my hand, so within sext to me
showing them, I had heard he's got a knife. He's
got a knife, which prompted me to be like, holy crap,

(03:13:25):
he does, and I put my phone in my pocket
and the video had to have deleted because when I
pulled my phone out afterwards to actually look at my phone,
because I was probably off it for an hour after
it all happened, there was no video there. But in
the moment they had said, I had heard Charlie screaming
he's got a knife, He's got a knife. So you know,
I only had a second where I went to show

(03:13:45):
them the video, and then I put my phone quickly
in my pocket, turned back around and kind of entered
what was going on again?

Speaker 6 (03:13:51):
So who's Lily and Lombardi?

Speaker 10 (03:13:54):
At the time, she was like my ex girlfriend, same
grade as us, friends with Taylor Capella.

Speaker 2 (03:14:00):
Uh, and just so work clear, they were standing in
this area here where.

Speaker 3 (03:14:04):
There's like this.

Speaker 10 (03:14:07):
Yeah, yeah, just about there, like on the Belgian blocks
or you know, right in that area, and.

Speaker 9 (03:14:15):
Why would you.

Speaker 2 (03:14:15):
Want to show Lily and Lombardi and Taylor Capella the
potential video that.

Speaker 6 (03:14:19):
You just took.

Speaker 3 (03:14:21):
There was just like.

Speaker 14 (03:14:23):
That.

Speaker 3 (03:14:24):
I know they had had, or at least Lily had
had like a previous.

Speaker 10 (03:14:27):
Interaction with Tyler, and at the time, you know, I
was still somewhat connected with her, so I you know,
it was like, look at this video of Tyler getting
you know, in a fight.

Speaker 6 (03:14:40):
At least I was, you know, I was stupid.

Speaker 10 (03:14:42):
I was a kid, and you know I probably shouldn't
have done that, but that was my intention, was to
just show her. But then, you know, that's what it
took my attention off of what was going on for
those seconds when when I was turned away.

Speaker 2 (03:14:53):
So you weren't able to save the video that you
took that night, correct, And when you heard when you
heard somebody yell, he's got a knife, He's got a knife,
you weren't watching the fight.

Speaker 3 (03:15:07):
At that point, no, So my back was turned.

Speaker 10 (03:15:10):
I was showing the two or attempting to show the
two girls the video, but it didn't even get within
five seconds in when I heard Charlie yelling he's got
a knife, and I had already seen the knife and
I was like, Holy crap. I turned around and immediately
rushed to the scene, which is when I saw the

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first person I laid my eyes on was Tommy Connery
who was on the ground.

Speaker 6 (03:15:38):
He was grabbing his leg and you know, he was
in pain.

Speaker 10 (03:15:42):
I saw people kind of huddling around him, realizing like
what had just happened in real time because I don't
think everyone actually knew what was going on instantly, but
I had seen him and there was blood.

Speaker 6 (03:15:53):
And then I quickly looked over to my right.

Speaker 10 (03:15:56):
I had saw Ryan Hines surrounded by Griffin and Tod
uh Tanner Chernowski. They were kind of lifting his shirt up,
and I I just vividly remember seeing Tommy on the ground,
then turning my head seeing Ryan Hines with his shirt
being lifted up and he said fuck and there was
blood bubbling out of his wounds. And then I lifted

(03:16:17):
my head back towards the road where I saw Jimmy
lift his shirt up, say I just got stabbed, collapse
to the ground, where me nicky did Jesus sal Perry
rushed over to him immediately and tried to cater to him.

Speaker 2 (03:16:34):
And when you got up to Jimmy, what what did
you observe about Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (03:16:39):
He was just losing color in his skin.

Speaker 10 (03:16:42):
He was turning away, and we Sal and I tried
our best to apply light pressure to his wound stop
it from bleeding. We made Nicky grab his hand and
tell him to squeeze as tight as he could. Sally
and I were holding Jimmy's head up so that he
could uh try to keep consciousness. We were trying to
talk to him, and there was just chaos going on.

(03:17:03):
People were screaming. But from my view where I was
holding Jimmy's wound and holding his head up, I could
see Tommy behind me. I was kind of situated in
a way where I could pay attention to Jimmy but
also try to talk to Tommy.

Speaker 6 (03:17:18):
He was also a great friend of mine.

Speaker 10 (03:17:19):
I didn't want him to start freaking out or anything,
so I was trying to calm keep him calm as
best as I could as well.

Speaker 2 (03:17:30):
In about two seconds, I'm gonna show you stayed to
Exhibit sixty's video. But have you seen this video before?

Speaker 3 (03:17:36):
Yes, sir, And.

Speaker 2 (03:17:38):
Do you know whether or not you saw this on
snapchat or did you see it with the police or when?
When was the first time you saw it.

Speaker 3 (03:17:46):
I saw it with the police first, and.

Speaker 6 (03:17:50):
I want you to watch.

Speaker 3 (03:17:52):
Let me know.

Speaker 6 (03:17:56):
Yes, now the individual says let's go. You know who
that was?

Speaker 3 (03:18:03):
Yeah, that was faise On TiAl was it?

Speaker 6 (03:18:06):
Or was it Tanner? No, that was Faison.

Speaker 3 (03:18:08):
So who's the one that says let's let's go. Tanner?

Speaker 10 (03:18:11):
That's Tanner who says oh no, Tanner says yes, sir,
Faison said whatever afterwards?

Speaker 2 (03:18:20):
Okay, And when you when you hear in the video
he's got a knife. He's got a knife, that's when
your back is turned.

Speaker 9 (03:18:26):
To the fight.

Speaker 6 (03:18:27):
Yes, but in moments I had turned around right away
and returned. I'm lets show your states exhibited sixty one.
This individual right here with the white shirt, pink shorts,
with the phone.

Speaker 3 (03:18:42):
Out, you know where that is. That's me individual right
here in the state six.

Speaker 6 (03:18:46):
You know who this is.

Speaker 3 (03:18:48):
That's the defendant.

Speaker 6 (03:18:49):
Bring a sweatshirt, black shorts with the white trim.

Speaker 9 (03:18:52):
You know who that is.

Speaker 6 (03:18:55):
This guy right here with the white shirt, black shorts,
Know how that is so Perry. This guy right here
with the shirt off, with the jeans on, you know where.

Speaker 3 (03:19:03):
That is Alex Berenstein.

Speaker 6 (03:19:05):
This guy with the red hat, black shirt and jeans on.

Speaker 3 (03:19:08):
You know where that is Mike Sampei.

Speaker 6 (03:19:10):
And the guy right here on his knees with the
shirt pulled up your pullo.

Speaker 3 (03:19:14):
That is Tyler de Sola, State sixty four.

Speaker 6 (03:19:20):
This is individual to the right here that comes into frame.

Speaker 3 (03:19:22):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 6 (03:19:23):
Charles Connery? Again? Is that Charles Connery?

Speaker 3 (03:19:29):
Yes, sir, this is in state sixty five.

Speaker 6 (03:19:32):
Excuse me, State sixty six. This guy right here with
the white shuret cam pants, do you know who that is?

Speaker 3 (03:19:44):
Yeah, it's Jake filler Lobos.

Speaker 6 (03:19:46):
This guy with no shirt on with the camera flush shorts.

Speaker 3 (03:19:48):
Do you know what that is Matthew Wokovich.

Speaker 6 (03:19:50):
This individual here with the with the to be the
navy blue sure white shorts, you know what that is?

Speaker 3 (03:19:55):
Yeah, that's Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 6 (03:19:59):
This is State sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (03:20:03):
This individual looks like he's spending over on pushing some
technic pushing Tyler.

Speaker 3 (03:20:10):
Yes, sir, that's Jake Villa Love.

Speaker 6 (03:20:12):
US sixty eight. This individual with the jeans.

Speaker 3 (03:20:18):
On the other street, you know that Tyler de Sola
and this person over here to the left of Tayler
would be well defendant.

Speaker 6 (03:20:27):
Finally, say sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (03:20:29):
Again, this person in the street, Tyler de Sola, and this.

Speaker 11 (03:20:34):
Person right here with his back towards us with white
short time, James Wrath.

Speaker 2 (03:20:43):
Now, when you were helping Jimmy Uh after he had
been stabbed?

Speaker 9 (03:20:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:20:52):
Did somebody call nine one one? Somebody called the authorities?

Speaker 3 (03:20:55):
Yes? Did you did you make any phone goals you call?

Speaker 2 (03:20:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:20:58):
And at some point point in time did the police arrive? Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:21:02):
And when the police arrived, did you end up speaking
to the police that yes? And did you give them
a statement about what you had recalled happened that night?

Speaker 8 (03:21:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:21:11):
And subsequent to the police interviewing you that night where
you interviewed on another occasion with the with the police department,
if you can recall.

Speaker 10 (03:21:22):
I just I remember giving a written statement. I think
I gave also a audio statement to de Sective Bango
at the time. That's what I recall from happening that night.

Speaker 2 (03:21:32):
You recall it having any phone conversations with Detective Bango
subsequent to this, yes, sir. And based on your conversations
with the police.

Speaker 3 (03:21:45):
With run.

Speaker 2 (03:21:47):
That night, who arrived first? Did the police department arrived
to the scene, or did paramedics.

Speaker 6 (03:21:53):
Arrive to paramedics arrive first.

Speaker 2 (03:21:55):
And when they arrived at the scene, did you witness
what was going on with regards to the care that
was being given to the people that were injured? And
can you describe what that was like to the ladies
and gentlemen in the jury.

Speaker 10 (03:22:08):
So I had only briefly looked before I couldn't beare
to look anymore. But they arrived, sal Nikki and I
were basically with Jimmy as long as we possibly could
have been. But they started immediately giving him palpitations or

(03:22:30):
I think that's what it's called.

Speaker 3 (03:22:32):
They were just trying to.

Speaker 6 (03:22:35):
Alive him.

Speaker 10 (03:22:36):
I don't I don't know the terms for it, but
they were definitely putting in efforts. I didn't really see
what they did with the other three individuals, Tommy, Faison
or Ryan, but I I had briefly just saw them,
you know, trying to do chess compressions on Jimmy, But
I had to.

Speaker 3 (03:22:55):
Look away for that. Why did you look away?

Speaker 6 (03:22:57):
I just I couldn't fathom that just happened.

Speaker 2 (03:23:01):
And to the best of your recollection, that night when
you came out and wait, it's the fight, did you
do you call seeing any anybody with a weapon during
the fight. During that fight, No, you recall seeing anybody
get stabbed when you came outside when you were down

(03:23:23):
the street speaking with prior to speaking with the defendant,
did you observe any of your friends engaged in any
physical altercation with the defendant or any of the people
from that car.

Speaker 10 (03:23:33):
No, nothing was physical down the road from anything that
I saw. Everyone was talking.

Speaker 1 (03:23:39):
I have no further questions, trying to think, thank you,
good afternoon, Missfield. You've never met before, never spoken about
this case before. No, sir, I go over some of
your testimony here and see if I've gotten things down.

(03:24:02):
You told us that most of the folks at this
party on this evening were friends of yours, correct, Correct,
And most of them you'd known for quite some time correct.

Speaker 3 (03:24:14):
Correct, grew up with most of these folks, right, Correct.

Speaker 1 (03:24:19):
Did you know when you went over there that night
that there weren't going to be any parents around? No,
you didn't know that Tyler's mother would be in Cape Cod.

Speaker 6 (03:24:27):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (03:24:28):
Didn't know that his father wasn't going to be there,
not a clue. Were you expecting that there was going
to be any parental supervision around while this drinking was happening.

Speaker 10 (03:24:37):
I wasn't really thinking of that. But no, I didn't
know that there weren't going to be any parents.

Speaker 1 (03:24:42):
There wasn't the first time that you'd been to Tyler
Rich's house, you told us, Yeah, it wasn't the first.
Was this the first time that you'd been drinking at
Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 10 (03:24:53):
Well, I had had drinks at Tyler Rich's house on
other occasions, but I wasn't drinking at his house at
this prior to this event.

Speaker 1 (03:25:01):
But that was the standard sort of order of operations there.
You'd go to Tyler Rich's house to party, hang out,
and that included drinking, right, I guess not really. You
only had one beer that night, right, Yes, sir? How
can you be so sure that you only had that
one beer?

Speaker 10 (03:25:21):
Because at the time, I was an athlete. I had
practiced the next day. I was also at that specific
time of my life, I was not really drinking much.
I was more so the sober guy that was kind
of mediating looking after his friends, and I had to
drink at Nicky's house before I even went to Tyler's.

Speaker 1 (03:25:43):
You were seventeen at the time, Yes, sir, you only
had one drink at Nicky's house, Yes, sir, where'd you
get that one drink?

Speaker 6 (03:25:51):
I can't recall.

Speaker 3 (03:25:54):
Did you buy it yourself? No, sir?

Speaker 1 (03:25:56):
Was it provided to you buy somebody at Nicky's house.

Speaker 6 (03:25:58):
I can't recall.

Speaker 1 (03:26:00):
You rode with Nikky over to forty three Lower Glen
Dry and Jimmy.

Speaker 6 (03:26:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (03:26:05):
And how much alcohol did you have in the car
with you? I do not recall, But there was alcohol
in the.

Speaker 6 (03:26:10):
Car with you, right, I don't know if there was
alcohol in the car at all.

Speaker 1 (03:26:15):
You didn't see either of those other occupants bring with
them any alcohol.

Speaker 6 (03:26:19):
I could not remember.

Speaker 1 (03:26:22):
Well, this party was kind of a BYO B party.

Speaker 6 (03:26:24):
Right, sure, I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:26:26):
I don't. There's no like rules.

Speaker 6 (03:26:29):
You just show up and hang out and wasn't really
like provided or you go buy it and it just
you just show up.

Speaker 3 (03:26:36):
I don't did your friends bring any alcohol in the
car with them or not?

Speaker 6 (03:26:40):
I do not recall.

Speaker 1 (03:26:42):
You didn't see them with any no, sir. Didn't see
them get in the vehicle with any alcohol.

Speaker 3 (03:26:48):
No, sir.

Speaker 6 (03:26:48):
I don't even know how I got there. I might
have been Nicky's mom. I might have drove. I could
not remember. It was three years ago.

Speaker 1 (03:26:58):
You rode there with mister mcgree, Yes, sir, and you
don't remember whether or not he was drinking.

Speaker 10 (03:27:05):
I think he was drinking. I don't remember if it was,
and I don't think it was in the car. I
just I think he was drinking at the party. Which party,
Tyler's house? Was he drinking at Nicky's where you had
the one beer?

Speaker 3 (03:27:16):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (03:27:18):
How much did he have to drink?

Speaker 3 (03:27:21):
I don't know. Did he seem like he was drunk?

Speaker 18 (03:27:25):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:27:26):
No, actually no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (03:27:28):
Would you have let him drive?

Speaker 2 (03:27:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:27:30):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (03:27:31):
Because that's unsafe and illegal.

Speaker 3 (03:27:33):
Why is it unsafe?

Speaker 2 (03:27:35):
Objection?

Speaker 3 (03:27:36):
How was this relevant?

Speaker 4 (03:27:37):
I'll sustain age.

Speaker 1 (03:27:41):
Did you notice any indications that led you to believe
that mister McGrath was drunk? No, and you didn't see
him drink anything that night.

Speaker 9 (03:27:53):
Injection.

Speaker 4 (03:27:54):
That's mischaracterizing his statement, and it's been asked an answer.
I'm going to sustain for that reason.

Speaker 3 (03:28:00):
How much did you see him drink that night?

Speaker 10 (03:28:06):
I don't remember seeing him drink. I'm sure he had
a couple drinks. I don't know what he drank or
if he drank. He might have not drink for all
I know, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (03:28:19):
And you arrived over at Tyler Rich's house somewhere between
nine and nine fifteen, right, yes, sir. At that point
when you got there, you think there were twenty five
to thirty five people approximately, and they were all down
in the basement, Yes, sir. What was going on down
in the basement hanging out?

Speaker 10 (03:28:37):
Music, people talking loud, people probably singing. There were drinks out, socializing.

Speaker 3 (03:28:44):
There were drinks out. What does that mean?

Speaker 10 (03:28:48):
There were probably some empty beer cans on the table.
I don't know, that's what I mean by that.

Speaker 1 (03:28:54):
Probably some empty beer cans on the table, that's it, Yes, sir.
That was the extent of the drinking, was empty beer cans.

Speaker 6 (03:29:02):
Out on the table, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:29:09):
And you told us you knew face on Teal from
the football team, right, yes, sir, as well as Ryan Hines,
also from the football.

Speaker 3 (03:29:15):
Team, Yes, sir, a good friend of yours, Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:29:18):
Tommy Connery also a great friend, right, yes, sir, But
he was not on the football team, no, sir. Jimmy
McGrath you've described as an incredible friend. Correct, Yes, sir,
you took the photo of him that we saw that
was earlier at Nicky Days's house, right, Yes, sir, you

(03:29:38):
thought maybe Sal Perry also went over with.

Speaker 3 (03:29:41):
You that evening. Yes, so Sal was who were together
that day.

Speaker 10 (03:29:47):
But I don't remember if he had came to Nicky's
house and then went to Tyler's with us, or if
he had just met us there.

Speaker 6 (03:29:52):
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (03:29:54):
But he was also a good friend a year older, Yes, sir.
And then you saw Michael Sampei grew up with him
in the same neighborhood. Yes, did you play.

Speaker 3 (03:30:03):
Sports with him?

Speaker 1 (03:30:04):
No, Alex Burnston he said that was a friend of
Tanner Chernowski's, right, Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (03:30:10):
How did you know Tanner Chernowski?

Speaker 10 (03:30:13):
I we met at the Boys and Girls Club way
back when probably I was in like I might have
been like seven years old when I first met him.

Speaker 6 (03:30:21):
He was two years older than me. But I always
hung out with kids my age.

Speaker 10 (03:30:25):
Kids are gray below kids a year kids a year
above me two years so I was definitely familiar with
Tanner by the time of this event occurred, like very
very good friends with him.

Speaker 3 (03:30:36):
Sel Perry.

Speaker 1 (03:30:36):
Did you see him drinking that night? I do not
recall Michael sam Perry. Did you see him drinking that night.
I do not recall Alex Burnston. Did you see him
drinking that night? I do not recall Charles Connery. Did
you see him drinking that night?

Speaker 6 (03:30:53):
No, sir, I didn't see him drinking.

Speaker 1 (03:30:55):
You recall not seeing him drink, yes, specifically, Yes, the
others you can't recall.

Speaker 10 (03:31:01):
Actually, if this is allowed, I think Alex. I might
be wrong about this, but I think Alex drove Tanner.
I don't know for sure, but I know that Tanner
was there, and I never really see Alex anywhere, but
I know his car. I remember seeing his car there
because he drove a nice car. So I think he

(03:31:21):
wasn't drinking if he was driving. So that's all I
can remember.

Speaker 3 (03:31:25):
Though, Again, my.

Speaker 1 (03:31:28):
Question was a little different, Sir. You say you specifically
recall that you did not see Charlie Connery drinking, correct, Yes, sir,
You don't recall whether or not any of those other.

Speaker 3 (03:31:37):
Folks that asked you about were drinking.

Speaker 6 (03:31:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:31:38):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (03:31:42):
You said that Jacob Villo Lovos was a great friend, right, Yes, sir,
did you see him drinking that night?

Speaker 3 (03:31:47):
I don't recall.

Speaker 1 (03:31:52):
You said Michael Lokovich also a great friend?

Speaker 3 (03:31:54):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (03:31:54):
Not Michael Matthew.

Speaker 1 (03:31:57):
I'm sorry, Matthew Luckovich, thank you for correcting me, great friend.

Speaker 6 (03:32:00):
Yes, did you see him drinking that night? I don't recall.

Speaker 1 (03:32:04):
Tyler Rich did you see him drinking that night?

Speaker 6 (03:32:07):
I also do not recall.

Speaker 1 (03:32:09):
M What about Gryffin Marsonsic? Did you see him drinking
that night?

Speaker 6 (03:32:13):
I also have no idea. Don't recall you saw.

Speaker 1 (03:32:16):
All these folks that night? Correct, Yes, just don't recall
seeing any of them drink.

Speaker 6 (03:32:20):
No, I'm not paying attention to people drinking. I could
care less.

Speaker 1 (03:32:24):
Okay, And at some point you told us Ryan Hines
and Griffin Marsinsic arrived and you learned that they were
coming from five lazy correct. Correct, And they said that
something had happened there is fair to say, I.

Speaker 6 (03:32:40):
Mean a little more than something. They definitely gave me
the rundown of what happened.

Speaker 1 (03:32:43):
Yeah, they told you that they had been jumped and
attacked by three kids from Saint Joe's right.

Speaker 10 (03:32:48):
Well, not they, more so just Ryan Griffin was a
small individual. I don't think he could have made a
difference regardless. Not trying to be mean to him, but
that's just the truth.

Speaker 3 (03:32:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:33:02):
So you learned from them that Ryan had been jumped
by three Saint Joe's kids.

Speaker 3 (03:33:08):
Is that what they told you? Yes?

Speaker 10 (03:33:10):
But I actually been made aware of that before they
even showed up, because either Ryan, Hines or Griffin had
made a call to let them know that something had happened,
and for a place, you know, they were looking for
safety almost if it was okay for them to go
to Tyler's house. So somebody at Tyler's might have been Tyler,
I can't remember for certain, but that's who had made

(03:33:30):
me aware that something had happened, And then when they
had arrived, they spoke to them more deeply about it.

Speaker 1 (03:33:34):
Words started to spread that friends of yours claimed to
have been jumped.

Speaker 3 (03:33:38):
At five Lazy Brooks? Is that fair to say? Correct?

Speaker 2 (03:33:40):
People started talking about it, right.

Speaker 10 (03:33:44):
Not necessarily, I don't. I think that there's most of
the people actually at the party didn't really know. Just
a small group actually that were more so closer maybe
like football friends of Hines had found out.

Speaker 1 (03:33:56):
And you told us you weren't part of the basketball
group chat right, No, sir, but you were aware that people.

Speaker 3 (03:34:01):
Were texting that night, correct, No, sir?

Speaker 1 (03:34:04):
And you think you were there for another hour or
so before Ryan and Griffin arrived, right, yeah, just about,
and then within five to ten minutes after they arrived,
you're made aware of the car had shown up, right, Correct.
You weren't surprised by that, though, given the fact that
word had started to spread.

Speaker 10 (03:34:23):
Correct, No, I was very surprised because they were coming
to us for safety, Ryan and Griffin, to not further
get involved in anything.

Speaker 6 (03:34:35):
So a car being there was actually quite surprising.

Speaker 3 (03:34:40):
You say they were coming to you for safety.

Speaker 1 (03:34:43):
Correct, to my knowledge, Yes, you weren't aware that Griffin
Marsinsic was sending text messages with the address to forty
three Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 3 (03:34:52):
Drive to anybody.

Speaker 6 (03:34:53):
No, sir, I was not aware of that.

Speaker 1 (03:34:58):
Did you stay near Gryffin Marsinsic when I don't recall?
Did you stay near Ryan Hines after he arrived?

Speaker 6 (03:35:06):
I think I spoke with him for a bit, but
I wasn't like honesseep, so no.

Speaker 1 (03:35:13):
So what they made you aware of was that they
had been jumped, but they didn't tell you that they
were live texting the address to the people they claimed.

Speaker 3 (03:35:22):
To have jumped them.

Speaker 1 (03:35:23):
No, I had no idea, okay, because you weren't part
of that group chat. Correct, And you said, at some
point Tyler rich rallied up a group of good friends, right, correct,
about ten of you, you think, Yeah, And you went
outside to confront the car that had shown up.

Speaker 3 (03:35:42):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:35:43):
Now you described to us that that vehicle when it
showed up, parked in the middle of the road right
just about yeah, right, blocking the driveway.

Speaker 3 (03:35:52):
I think you described it as being right, Yeah, It.

Speaker 1 (03:35:55):
Wasn't on the far side of the street across in
front of the other house, right.

Speaker 6 (03:35:59):
I mean, I don't it could have been. I just
remember it being.

Speaker 10 (03:36:04):
Almost parallel, like almost near the driveway, like if you
just extended the driveway out. I don't remember if it
was a little bit up, a little bit behind. I
just know in the general area where the car.

Speaker 1 (03:36:13):
Was blocking the driveway is your description, right, I mean
it was in front of the driveway. If you wanted
to get across the street to the house across the way,
you would have to walk around this vehicle. Correct, If
you wanted to get out of the driveway, you would
have to somehow navigate your way around this vehicle. And

(03:36:34):
you went to confront this vehicle, right, yes, And you
said you knew this was the car from five Lazy Brooke.

Speaker 10 (03:36:42):
Well, as we were walking out, I think words were
being said like, oh that's them or these.

Speaker 6 (03:36:46):
Are the guys.

Speaker 10 (03:36:46):
So, but I you know, I didn't recognize the car whatsoever.
I've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 (03:36:52):
And you said you went to ask them why they
were there.

Speaker 6 (03:36:56):
Yes, that's not all you went out to do, right, surely? No.

Speaker 10 (03:37:00):
I mean I went out there to kind of stick
up for my buddy a little bit. But I wasn't
planning on doing anything, nor did I.

Speaker 2 (03:37:07):
Well, you said voices might have been raised.

Speaker 6 (03:37:10):
Right, voices were raised?

Speaker 3 (03:37:12):
Voices were raised? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:37:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:37:14):
And in fact the car was surrounded.

Speaker 6 (03:37:16):
Right, I wouldn't say surrounded.

Speaker 10 (03:37:19):
A majority of the people were on the driver's side,
just kind of in a group. I wouldn't say the
car was fully surrounded at all.

Speaker 1 (03:37:28):
No, And you told them either get out of the car, correct?

Speaker 6 (03:37:35):
Are you going to finish?

Speaker 3 (03:37:37):
I did you said either get out of the car? Correct?

Speaker 6 (03:37:42):
I think so, I don't remember, or leave correct? Yeah,
that sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (03:37:47):
The first thing was though get out of the car, right?

Speaker 3 (03:37:51):
Yes? Why did you want them to get out of
the car?

Speaker 10 (03:37:55):
Well, because when I'm looking at the car. The car
seemed like it was a clown car pack full of people,
so it kind of matched the amount of people that
were there from our end. So at that point I
was like, our friend just got his face smashed in.
I mean, get out of the car. We want hey, man,
like you just beat up our friend. Either get out
of the car or be on your way. I wouldn't

(03:38:17):
have carried it all if they left. I mean, I
would have loved for them to leave, but you know
that's that was our idea.

Speaker 1 (03:38:24):
Yes, well, you're telling us you would have loved for
them to leave in the aftermath of things. However, at
the time you told them to get out because what
you wanted was payback, right.

Speaker 10 (03:38:35):
I wouldn't say payback, but at least to figure out
what was going on, or at least a motive. I
think most of the time we were asking them why
they did it? Hey, why'd you beat up our boy?
Nothing was said, so eventually we're like, all right, get
out or leave.

Speaker 3 (03:38:51):
You didn't know. You had no idea that they were coming,
that that address had been given. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (03:38:57):
But when this unknown car parks outside, there's a rallying
of at least ten of you to go outside and
confront the car.

Speaker 10 (03:39:05):
I mean I was told personally by Tyler. It wasn't
like there was a reason for a certain amount of
people there. He had just quietly said, hey, man, there's
a car outside my drive.

Speaker 6 (03:39:13):
I don't know who do is? You want to come
up and just figure it out with me? Situated? I
was like, no problem, man, it's my best friend.

Speaker 3 (03:39:18):
I was going to go help him. Jimmy McGrath went
out with you. I don't think so. Are you sure that?
I'm not sure, but I strongly don't think he was
out there.

Speaker 1 (03:39:30):
You stayed on the driver's side, correct, Yes, sir? Did
you see anybody go over to the passenger side?

Speaker 6 (03:39:35):
Not that I remember, sir.

Speaker 3 (03:39:37):
And you don't remember the vehicle being surrounded.

Speaker 10 (03:39:40):
I know there was amount of people like on the
driver's side, maybe from the front front to the back,
but it wasn't like a circle blocking the car.

Speaker 3 (03:39:49):
So just on the driver's side, yes, to my recollection, Yes,
And you didn't have a conversation with anyone, no.

Speaker 6 (03:39:59):
No direct words.

Speaker 10 (03:40:00):
I might you know, I can't recall if I said like, hey,
you guys should leave, but I never said I had
a correct conversation with anybody in the car.

Speaker 3 (03:40:07):
Now, could you see into the vehicle?

Speaker 6 (03:40:09):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:40:09):
Could you identify anybody inside the vehicle?

Speaker 3 (03:40:12):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (03:40:12):
I had recognized Tyler Desolvo. I'd also recognize your client.
I want to say it was in the middle seat.
I might be wrong, but I just definitely remembered seeing
Tyler de Solo and Lido, because those are the only
two people I really knew in the car from what
I could see.

Speaker 1 (03:40:27):
Did you know McKenzie traffic Anti, Yes? Did you see
her in the car?

Speaker 6 (03:40:31):
I didn't see her in the car.

Speaker 2 (03:40:34):
You didn't see her sitting on mister Valley's lap.

Speaker 10 (03:40:37):
Actually, you just refreshed my memory. She might have been Actually,
I can't really remember that. It was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (03:40:43):
You told us that you were just trying to usher
them out right essentially, and that you were asking them
why they put their hands on your friends, right, correct,
And you told us before the voices might have been raised,
But now you're telling us the voices were definitely raised.

Speaker 6 (03:41:00):
One that I say before that they were raised or
they might have been.

Speaker 1 (03:41:03):
When you were talking with the state's attorney earlier, do
you recall telling him that voices might have been raised.

Speaker 3 (03:41:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:41:09):
In fact, they definitely were raised, right.

Speaker 3 (03:41:12):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (03:41:18):
You don't recall any physical interaction from the Shelton Hi.

Speaker 3 (03:41:20):
Kids with the car.

Speaker 6 (03:41:21):
Correct. I don't recall any type of physical You don't.

Speaker 1 (03:41:25):
Sell them laying hands on the vehicle, correct, No, sir,
you don't recall them rocking the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (03:41:30):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (03:41:31):
No, sir, you don't recall seeing anybody reach in and
punch the driver.

Speaker 3 (03:41:34):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (03:41:35):
Oh, sir, you don't recall seeing the window come down
on the rear passenger side.

Speaker 3 (03:41:43):
Correct.

Speaker 10 (03:41:44):
I remember windows were like down or up, like someone
might have pulled the window down and put it back up.
But I don't remember any type of physical altercation with
the car.

Speaker 1 (03:41:54):
You don't recall seeing a glass bottle be thrown at
the car? No, sir, you don't recall see in a
glass bottle being thrown at the people that were standing
beside the car.

Speaker 10 (03:42:04):
I think something was thrown when the car drove away.
Might have been that PEV blaster can or a bottle.

Speaker 1 (03:42:13):
Well, we'll get to the TV blaster can in a second.
You identified showing your states Exhibit thirty.

Speaker 21 (03:42:21):
That has been the vehicle that you saw that even correct?

Speaker 3 (03:42:25):
Correct?

Speaker 9 (03:42:27):
And you were standing on the driver's side.

Speaker 3 (03:42:29):
Correct, Yes, sir.

Speaker 21 (03:42:33):
And this shattered windshield was not there at the time
when you saw a.

Speaker 6 (03:42:38):
Vehicle, wasn't I could have been, I don't remember. I
didn't look too closely into the windshield or like at
the windshield at all. I wasn't even in the front
of the car by any means.

Speaker 1 (03:42:52):
And then without any physical interaction with the car, you say,
the car just sped off.

Speaker 3 (03:42:57):
Yeah, like the pedal was floored.

Speaker 1 (03:43:00):
So you didn't see Tyler Rich reach inside the driver's
side of the car.

Speaker 6 (03:43:04):
Correct, No, I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (03:43:06):
You didn't see his body halfway in while he was
trying to do something with the gear shift.

Speaker 3 (03:43:10):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:43:12):
No, I don't remember that could have happened.

Speaker 3 (03:43:16):
I have no idea.

Speaker 10 (03:43:17):
I wasn't really paying attention to that anybody specifically. I
was more so just like, hey, you guys should leave
or get out either way. I wasn't really watching other people, though, Sir.

Speaker 1 (03:43:29):
You were like, hey, you guys should get out or
just leave.

Speaker 6 (03:43:32):
Well, no, I'm in a courtroom. If you want me
to raise my voice, I can, but I'm not like.

Speaker 1 (03:43:36):
You to demonstrate for us how you said, hey, get
out of the car or leave guys.

Speaker 6 (03:43:40):
Hey, you guys should probably leave or get out of
the car. Is that good like that? Yes, sir?

Speaker 3 (03:43:46):
That was it, Yes, sir, that was voices raised.

Speaker 6 (03:43:49):
It was pretty loud, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:43:52):
And then after that the car just sped off, yes, sir.
And then you said most people from Tyler Rich's house
went back into the house.

Speaker 2 (03:44:02):
Yes, but you glanced down and you saw.

Speaker 1 (03:44:06):
Car break lights down the road, correct, yes, sir. And
that was down towards the farmhouse lane into things right, correct.
And you don't recall the car driving up and down
the road.

Speaker 10 (03:44:18):
I didn't see the car driving up another road. I
think it drove up another road afterwards.

Speaker 1 (03:44:23):
Where were you standing when you glanced and saw the
car break lights down the road?

Speaker 6 (03:44:28):
I want to say, like just in just into the
road from the end of the driveway.

Speaker 10 (03:44:34):
Like I stuck my there's like some trees that hang
over the road, so I had to like stick my
head out peep.

Speaker 6 (03:44:40):
Down there, up here, down there. But I wasn't in
the middle of the road or anything.

Speaker 1 (03:44:44):
You hadn't gone back into Tyler Rich's house, correct, not
at this time?

Speaker 6 (03:44:47):
I had it yet, No, And so you didn't see the.

Speaker 1 (03:44:51):
Car go speeding down towards farmhouse. Come back, make it
right onto Adams, turn around, come back and go back
down to farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 2 (03:44:58):
Right.

Speaker 6 (03:45:00):
I didn't see that that might have happened. I didn't
see it.

Speaker 1 (03:45:03):
No, it might have happened while you were out on
the street in front of forty three Laurel Glenn Drive,
but you didn't see it.

Speaker 7 (03:45:11):
No.

Speaker 10 (03:45:11):
I just think the timeline might be a little bit
mixed up. But I remember being made aware that the
car was repeatedly driving up and down. I just think
that the timeline that you're on is a little bit
messed up from when it happened.

Speaker 1 (03:45:23):
But you remember being made aware that that happened by who?

Speaker 6 (03:45:26):
I don't remember.

Speaker 10 (03:45:28):
I just know that at some point people were like,
this car is choosing to keep driving back. They could leave,
but they keep driving back and forth.

Speaker 1 (03:45:37):
I don't remember going back in the house, correct, No.
And you didn't see any of that, correct No. But
somebody told you that that happened.

Speaker 10 (03:45:47):
After I went back in the house after confronting the defendant.
Then I went back in the house. Then I was
told that the car has been driving back and forth.
Then I was told that or I heard they're back,
they're back, they're back.

Speaker 1 (03:46:01):
But you yourself never saw that car driving up and
down the road, correct, I never saw it. You look down,
you see the car break. Lets you remember telling us that, yes, sir,
and then you walked with a group of five other
people down towards that car in farmhouse Lane correct.

Speaker 6 (03:46:19):
Yes, sir. And it wasn't well, I'm sorry, it wasn't
like a group. We weren't all in a group. Might
have been five to seven. I don't remember.

Speaker 10 (03:46:27):
I just remember walking down with maybe two other guys
next to me, But there was a couple others from
our friend group that were walking down as well.

Speaker 6 (03:46:34):
We weren't in one pack though.

Speaker 1 (03:46:36):
That group included at least Charlie Connery correct, Yes, sir,
ty would correct yes, Sir Tyler Rich correct, yes, Sir
Aden King correct, yes, Sir Matthew Lockovitch correct, yes, sir
and yourself correct, Yes, sir. Could have been others correct.

Speaker 6 (03:46:51):
I wouldn't say more than one person.

Speaker 3 (03:46:53):
Could Ryan Hines have been there?

Speaker 2 (03:46:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:46:55):
Ryan Hines was not there. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:46:58):
You watched States Exhibit forty four, which is the video
from the ring camera for thirty six law Glen Drive.

Speaker 3 (03:47:06):
Do you remember that. Yes, sir, can we see that one?

Speaker 1 (03:47:11):
I'm gonna ask you to watch this and I want
you to see if you can identify it for us
who you are in this group.

Speaker 6 (03:47:21):
Okay, I don't think I'm in that group.

Speaker 3 (03:47:24):
Let's just watch and see. Then you can tell me.

Speaker 21 (03:47:27):
The video in front of us, and it appears to
be that there are.

Speaker 9 (03:47:29):
Two people walking in front of the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (03:47:32):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (03:47:33):
Do you can you identify for us who those two
people are?

Speaker 3 (03:47:36):
No, sir, I have no idea.

Speaker 21 (03:47:37):
Did you ever walk up and pass those people?

Speaker 2 (03:47:41):
No?

Speaker 21 (03:47:42):
Can you continue playing?

Speaker 9 (03:47:43):
We're gonna keep watching right.

Speaker 6 (03:47:45):
Can you pop again? Did you just hear that car
door close?

Speaker 3 (03:47:48):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:47:49):
Sir?

Speaker 21 (03:47:49):
Did you see somebody appear to get out of the
front passengers side?

Speaker 3 (03:47:52):
Yes? Do you know who that is?

Speaker 10 (03:47:55):
I don't remember where Tyler Silva was sitting, but I
want to say it was him. I don't know for sure, though.

Speaker 21 (03:48:06):
You see somebody that appears to have in their hand
a light of.

Speaker 27 (03:48:09):
Some sort of.

Speaker 6 (03:48:12):
Front you might have to rewind that.

Speaker 3 (03:48:15):
I I don't. I'm gonna point right here in front
of the.

Speaker 6 (03:48:20):
I can't see where you where you're pointing.

Speaker 1 (03:48:22):
Yes, sir, you see just in front of that fourth
column where there is a sort of lights uh by.

Speaker 6 (03:48:29):
The lawn there. I don't, no, I don't, I don't
see what you're talking about.

Speaker 9 (03:48:37):
Keep you focused somewhere.

Speaker 1 (03:48:39):
I just directed them on the mass to say to uh,
play again and see if you see that light moving.

Speaker 2 (03:48:46):
Moving?

Speaker 10 (03:48:46):
Yes, sir, is that your lights on your phone? No, sir, Yeah,
that's not me. I just know that I didn't walk
that far at all up to the car that far.

Speaker 9 (03:49:01):
You never walked that far?

Speaker 10 (03:49:03):
Yeah, I never walked that far. I also am not
one to just walk around with my phone out with
the light on.

Speaker 1 (03:49:13):
In that video, would you agree, we just saw a
group of about six or seven people following the folks
who got out of that car. Yes, you're saying you
weren't any of those people.

Speaker 6 (03:49:23):
I don't think.

Speaker 10 (03:49:23):
I was just based off of what I had experienced
when I spoke with the defendant, because I never really
made it that far to the car.

Speaker 6 (03:49:33):
I only recall being about in the middle of the road.

Speaker 10 (03:49:39):
But I quickly turned and noticed the defendant by a pole,
a telephone pole. That would be I guess if you
put the bring camera video back up, it would be
to the left, almost out of the picture, and that's
where I recall standing and speaking with the defendant, and
having and his girlfriend being there as well. I don't
have any recollection of walking that far down to the road.

Speaker 3 (03:50:01):
Can you use that?

Speaker 1 (03:50:02):
Do you still have the pointer over there somewhere? Do
you see a pointer with a little red tip? Can
you use that to show us where you think you
were standing when you spoke with mister Valley.

Speaker 6 (03:50:14):
Do you know which one thirty six is?

Speaker 9 (03:50:16):
Is it this one?

Speaker 3 (03:50:16):
I believe it's that one, sir, Do you know?

Speaker 6 (03:50:20):
I mean, it would be a lot easier if the
videome is here, but.

Speaker 9 (03:50:25):
If you can there's no telephone polls in this picture.

Speaker 3 (03:50:29):
So I can't do it. I'm sorry. Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (03:50:32):
Well, you see where the house is forty three Laurel
Glenn marked with the red marker.

Speaker 26 (03:50:38):
There's some shrubbery over here, So I want to say
I was right about here, and I walked down it's
all right about here, didn't engage with anyone in the
car over here, just kind of stayed over here and.

Speaker 6 (03:50:51):
Saw the defendant walked over, approached him and said what
I said, that's it?

Speaker 1 (03:50:56):
So are you saying that what we saw in State's
Exhibit forty four. You never made it down that far, correct, Correct?
You made it only as far as that bush that
you've indicated there on Exhibit one.

Speaker 6 (03:51:13):
Is that fair could have been like five steps ahead
of it.

Speaker 10 (03:51:16):
But I never even came close to that intersection of
Laurel Glennon farmhouse.

Speaker 2 (03:51:20):
I never made it that far, never down to that intersection.

Speaker 6 (03:51:22):
Never.

Speaker 1 (03:51:24):
And it was by the bush that you believe you
had this conversation with mister Valley.

Speaker 3 (03:51:31):
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (03:51:32):
Well? Yeah, I mean, like I said, it wasn't really
a conversation.

Speaker 10 (03:51:35):
It was very very brief. I just saw him. I
don't know what really, you know, struck me to actually
go speak with him. But I think I was just
trying to honestly call him the situation down because I
did say to him, hey, look I think it was
messed up that he sprayed you.

Speaker 6 (03:51:50):
That's what I started started it with. But it wasn't
really a conversation.

Speaker 3 (03:51:55):
And you said that you.

Speaker 1 (03:51:57):
Could see that the doors had opened on the vehicle, correct, correct,
And then everybody just went down there in a non
aggressive way, right.

Speaker 10 (03:52:05):
That's the way I went down there, and that's the
way the group that I had went down there with
that's what we were planning on doing.

Speaker 1 (03:52:12):
Yes, would you describe what we saw there as being
a non aggressive way of those folks coming down to interact?

Speaker 6 (03:52:20):
No, I think it was slightly aggressive.

Speaker 1 (03:52:22):
Slightly aggressive. Yeah, you saw somebody launch a can of
some sort.

Speaker 6 (03:52:26):
At the vehicle post of it being launched at us?

Speaker 3 (03:52:29):
Yes, I did. Did you see it being launched at you?

Speaker 6 (03:52:32):
There?

Speaker 1 (03:52:33):
No, sir, And you saw somebody running at that vehicle?

Speaker 3 (03:52:37):
Correct? Correct?

Speaker 6 (03:52:38):
Who was that?

Speaker 3 (03:52:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:52:40):
I might have to watch it. Maybe I could identify
after watching it again.

Speaker 3 (03:52:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:52:44):
It's kind of blurry.

Speaker 3 (03:52:45):
It wasn't you though, No, sir, And you said there
was a PB blaster can, right.

Speaker 10 (03:52:57):
I never saw a can, but from what I was
made aware of, it was p B blaster and or
w D forty.

Speaker 3 (03:53:05):
Well.

Speaker 10 (03:53:06):
At some point before I spoke with the defendant, I
was made aware that Tyler Rich had sprayed him with
p B blaster and there was you know he that
was basically he said, I just sprayed him with some
p B blaster. So I took it upon myself to
go up to him and say, hey man, I'm sorry

(03:53:30):
that he did that. That was kind of fucked up,
but you know, there's a lot of guys here, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (03:53:36):
And you were close enough to see mister valleyt that correct, correct,
and you could see that he had been sprayed in
the face with the p B blaster.

Speaker 6 (03:53:43):
No surprisingly, I mean he might have been.

Speaker 10 (03:53:45):
I wasn't necessarily looking at that, but I don't I
don't recall seeing any type of anything wrong with his face,
not saying that there wasn't.

Speaker 6 (03:53:56):
I just I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (03:53:58):
And where when you were talking at mister Valley, as
you've described it was Ms.

Speaker 10 (03:54:04):
Chaffickanty almost like a couple of like not even a
foot away from him, sitting down to his left to
my right. If I'm facing him, so to his left
he's facing he's standing.

Speaker 3 (03:54:19):
Facing this way.

Speaker 6 (03:54:21):
So he's standing on the standing over here facing this way.
I'm standing like this.

Speaker 10 (03:54:30):
Mackenzie's sitting down like this on the on the curve,
kind of like with her hands in her head, almost
like distressed.

Speaker 1 (03:54:37):
It's from what I remember, and it's your recollection, that
they were both sitting on the opposite side of Laurel
Glynn Drive from forty three. Yes, Sir Mackenzie, as well
as mister Valley, Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:54:48):
Sir, Well, Raoul was standing, she was sitting.

Speaker 3 (03:54:52):
And where was mister d Silva.

Speaker 6 (03:54:56):
I want to say it was somewhere if I was here,
somewhere over here in a group. I think some of
my friends were over there talking with him. But there
was nothing aggressive going on because we would have heard it.

Speaker 10 (03:55:06):
It seemed like they were just kind of talking over stuff,
or maybe they weren't talking.

Speaker 6 (03:55:09):
I just know there was a group in this area,
and I want to say de Silva.

Speaker 3 (03:55:13):
Was part of that group.

Speaker 21 (03:55:16):
And where was.

Speaker 1 (03:55:20):
The Honda pilot, Ah.

Speaker 6 (03:55:24):
Somewhere around here. I don't know for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:55:29):
This was after we saw the Honda pilot drove away.

Speaker 6 (03:55:32):
Yeah, all my interaction with the defendant was after the video.

Speaker 1 (03:55:36):
Okay, And it's your recollection that while you were talking
with mister d Silva on the opposite side of the street,
miss Traffickcanty was sitting on the curb a foot away
from him. Yeah, and mister d Silva was on the
opposite side of the street with a group of your friends.

Speaker 3 (03:55:55):
Yeah. I think some of his friends were there too. Yeah,
he was across the street though.

Speaker 1 (03:55:59):
And where was the Honda pilot?

Speaker 6 (03:56:02):
I don't necessary.

Speaker 10 (03:56:03):
I don't know exactly, but I want to say it
was somewhere over here, because where me, your client and
his girlfriend were was separated from the rest.

Speaker 6 (03:56:12):
And I just remember turning around. Charlie Connery was walking
up towards us, almost so right when I turned around,
he met me almost and then we just talked walked back.

Speaker 1 (03:56:22):
You don't know where the Honda pilot was, right.

Speaker 3 (03:56:24):
No, sir, I think it was over there, but I
don't know for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:56:29):
He said, you intended to take mister Valley's side at
this time.

Speaker 10 (03:56:34):
What I mean by that is what I was made
aware of was that it was sprayed, and in the moment,
I sure as hell was not looking to fight anybody,
regardless of what had just happened for my friend to
my friend. At this point, there was a lot of
just chaos going on. There was loudness outside of houses.

(03:56:55):
I was honestly just trying to look out for Tyler,
get everyone, get everybody that wasn't invited out of the
house or not out of the house, out of the area.

Speaker 6 (03:57:03):
So I at least what I thought was if I
start the convert or not the conversation.

Speaker 10 (03:57:07):
If I start what I was saying to the defendant
with something that he just had happened to him, and
like kind of me being like, hey man, listen, you
know you should I feel bad.

Speaker 6 (03:57:16):
You shouldn't have got sprayed like that.

Speaker 10 (03:57:17):
Whatever I had said, I had felt that that would
be the smartest way for him to at least give
me his attention, because if I approached him in an
aggressive way probably would have went differently. So I approached
him and said, hey man, listen, you know it's fucked
up that you got sprayed, but you guys should probably
leave here. There's a lot of people over there, there's
a smaller group of your friends. I don't want to fight.
I don't think it's worth it. I remember saying, I

(03:57:37):
don't think it's worth it. It's not worth a fight.
And then he wasn't really paying attention or not really
like listening or caring, so he was just like yeah, yeah.
And I saw the knife in his hand while I
was talking to him, and then I turned around and
walked back to the house with Charlie.

Speaker 1 (03:57:52):
You'd had a change of heart.

Speaker 3 (03:57:53):
At that point.

Speaker 1 (03:57:54):
It was no longer get out of the car so we.

Speaker 3 (03:57:56):
Can fight and get payback. Now, it was you were
trying to be his friend.

Speaker 10 (03:58:01):
I wouldn't say friend. I was just trying to overall,
And it had been going on for, in my opinion,
too long at this point. For all we know, a
cop could have rolled down, drove down the driveway, or
drove down the road and we all would have been
in trouble.

Speaker 6 (03:58:13):
So at that point, I was just like, you know what,
let's just end.

Speaker 1 (03:58:15):
This cop could have rolled down the street at that
point and up the driveway and y'all would have been
in trouble.

Speaker 10 (03:58:21):
Not up the driveway, I said, down the street, because
there's a group of people standing around outside. What do
you think a cop would do if he drove by?
So in my head, I'm like, let's get everybody out
of here. There's no point in fighting.

Speaker 6 (03:58:32):
There's no point in arguing outside of someone's house when
someone could easily pick up the phone call a noise complaint.

Speaker 10 (03:58:39):
So I said, let me say what I have to
say to him. Hopefully this gets through, they'll get in
the car and leave, and we'll be on with our night.

Speaker 6 (03:58:45):
That was my plan.

Speaker 1 (03:58:50):
You're worried that the cops might show up and there'd
be bigger problems for everybody, right.

Speaker 10 (03:58:57):
Not initially like I said, more so after this has
been getting dragged on for a while, I was like,
all right, this is kind of stupid. But I didn't
care at that point to say anything like get out.
I was more so like, hey, let's just end this.
You know it's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (03:59:12):
And you said that you saw mister Valley holding a
knife in his left hand, right, correct.

Speaker 1 (03:59:18):
And you described that knife to the police as being
a switchblade, right.

Speaker 3 (03:59:23):
Of some sort.

Speaker 6 (03:59:24):
I didn't know if it was or not. That was
just kind of what I had, what I had remember,
or what I had saw in the moment, or what
I thought I saw at.

Speaker 1 (03:59:30):
Least, And it was a stiletto style knife, right.

Speaker 6 (03:59:33):
I didn't use that word. They might have.

Speaker 10 (03:59:34):
They might have interpreted it that way or said or
thought that or or said, oh do you think it
was a stiletto? I don't even know what that is. So,
but what I just remember was seeing his hand down,
zero handle in his hand. I only saw a blade
just coming out like this big.

Speaker 1 (03:59:51):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (03:59:52):
What color was the blade?

Speaker 3 (03:59:55):
I don't recall serrated.

Speaker 6 (04:00:00):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (04:00:01):
Didn't have appear to have little teeth on it, like
a steak knife. I don't recall. Do you recall anything
about the shape of the blade that you saw.

Speaker 6 (04:00:09):
Yeah, I just recall it being like a knife that
comes to a point. It wasn't like a like a
hunting knife like that. That was like a thicker.

Speaker 10 (04:00:20):
I don't recall too like exactly if there were teeth
like you're saying, But I just know that it started
wider and got thinner, and it was longer, like three
inches or so.

Speaker 1 (04:00:33):
Now, you also told officers that you saw him waving
that out the window, right.

Speaker 6 (04:00:41):
Uh, I don't. I don't remember if I said that
or not.

Speaker 1 (04:00:45):
You don't recall telling officers around two am the morning
when you're speaking with a detective Bengo on the fifteenth,
that you saw Leedo flashing a knife outside the window
of the car. No, I don't recall saying that, and
that the knife was a switchblade.

Speaker 3 (04:01:00):
No I said, I mean it could have been.

Speaker 6 (04:01:02):
I just remember the knife if at the time I
was trying to describe it as best as I could.
If that's the words I used, then that's what I said.
But m mmm.

Speaker 3 (04:01:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:01:17):
And so when you claim to have seen this knife
in mister Valley's hand. When you were down talking to
him by the bushes, you didn't yell out to everybody, Hey,
he's got a knife.

Speaker 10 (04:01:31):
Uh No, I thought that would probably be stupid and
just a waste of time. In my opinion, the best
thing to do is not at all acknowledge it, because
I didn't want to put myself at harm, and I
didn't want to anger the defendant if he was angry
already for being sprayed, whatever it was.

Speaker 6 (04:01:49):
I just wanted to end it. I wanted it to
be over.

Speaker 1 (04:01:51):
And you're certain that when you're having this interaction with him,
that you were not near the pilot at that time, correct.

Speaker 6 (04:01:58):
Yes, sir, not directly near. It could have been a
little bit off in the distance.

Speaker 1 (04:02:03):
And you weren't near any of your other friends at
that point, correct.

Speaker 6 (04:02:07):
No, yeah, not too close to anybody.

Speaker 10 (04:02:09):
When I turned around, Charlie was like approaching, but to
my knowledge, nobody was like right with me.

Speaker 6 (04:02:14):
It was more so just me, the defendant and his girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (04:02:18):
And then you saw Charlie and you decided to walk
back with Charlie, right, yes, sir, back to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (04:02:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:02:25):
He got back to the house and Tyler Rich was
trying to corral people, he said, back in the basement, yep,
And ultimately he was successful in getting everybody back into
the basement.

Speaker 10 (04:02:33):
I think he got almost everybody, I want to say,
like maybe himself or a couple of the older people
that were there were just staying outside to make sure
nothing else had brewed. But the older folks that were
there were the farthest thing from people looking for trouble.
They were more so just kind of overseeing everything. I
think he got everybody in except for maybe five people

(04:02:54):
that were just kind of outside the bell coodors making
sure everything was okay okay.

Speaker 1 (04:02:58):
And you were down there maybe one of five minutes
when you heard somebody say they're back correct, yes, and
then I'm sorry, this.

Speaker 4 (04:03:04):
Is a good time to take a break.

Speaker 5 (04:03:07):
Yes, okay, all right, We're going to go ahead and
take our afternoon break. You'll have a fifteen minute recess.
We'll be in recess untill ten minutes to four.

Speaker 6 (04:03:17):
Thank you, last, honorable Judge Murphy.

Speaker 5 (04:03:29):
I just want to remind you that you do remain
under the obligations of your oath when you first centered
this time.

Speaker 4 (04:03:34):
You can go ahead and have a seat. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (04:03:38):
Tony Smith. Are you ready to proceed, all right, you
can come up if you'd like you. Madame Clerk will
bring in the journey.

Speaker 4 (04:03:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (04:03:46):
All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Counsel please stipulate
the return of our journs. All right, Toney Smith, you
may proceed.

Speaker 3 (04:03:55):
Thank you. Mister Fiola.

Speaker 1 (04:03:57):
We were just talking about being back in the basement
and you heard somebody say.

Speaker 6 (04:04:05):
They're back right, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (04:04:07):
And how many people were in the basement at that point.

Speaker 6 (04:04:10):
Most of the individuals that were there, I don't know
an exact.

Speaker 3 (04:04:13):
Number, twenty to thirty five as you estimated before.

Speaker 1 (04:04:18):
And you told us that you went back outside to
do the right thing, right, yes, And you told us
that when you went back outside, you went in front
of the blue rug.

Speaker 21 (04:04:36):
Find that photograph if you were called telling us in
front of the blue truck.

Speaker 10 (04:04:41):
No, I I went actually on the driver's side, which
is away from where the interaction was going on, and
had to maneuver in between the back of the blue truck,
uh and the front of the jeep.

Speaker 21 (04:04:56):
You are looking at states exhibited five and you see that.

Speaker 1 (04:05:00):
So you were originally in front of the blue truck
and you had to come around on the driver's side and.

Speaker 21 (04:05:05):
The maneuver in between the blue truck and the white
and black sheep.

Speaker 6 (04:05:08):
Right, yes, sir, And.

Speaker 1 (04:05:10):
That's because your path was blocked coming through the way
you had gone the first time.

Speaker 6 (04:05:15):
Right, wait, what do you mean the first time?

Speaker 1 (04:05:19):
But when you first came out, you described that you
had come through and gone sort of down where the
I think you described the Belgium blocks when you come.

Speaker 9 (04:05:25):
Out the first time.

Speaker 10 (04:05:26):
No, no, no, no, do you mean when we approached
the car that was like so no, I walked out
and walked down the middle of the drive when we
approached the car, That's what I told State's attorney. And
when I walked out after I had gone back in
and then they said they're back their back and we
walked out.

Speaker 3 (04:05:42):
I walked out of the Belcodors.

Speaker 10 (04:05:45):
I had glanced through this little where your fingers offering
through that little hole, saw that there were the defendant
and Tyler Silva Uh basically had just kind of stopped
walking or it looked like they had just gotten onto
the yard. I walked on the opposite side of the
truck where we could see it, so the driver's side,
and squeezed through.

Speaker 3 (04:06:07):
At the bed of the truck and at the front
of the jeep.

Speaker 2 (04:06:10):
And those cars as they're parked in that exhibit there,
that's the same way they were that night.

Speaker 3 (04:06:14):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:06:14):
Yes, And so you walked in between those and when
you emerged you were by the Belgian block.

Speaker 6 (04:06:22):
Is that fair? Say?

Speaker 3 (04:06:23):
Yes, sorry if I got that incorrect before and.

Speaker 1 (04:06:29):
When you emerged, you could see more than just mister
d Silva and mister Valley in the yard.

Speaker 3 (04:06:35):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:06:37):
What do you mean, well, there were other people in
the yard, right, Yes, and you could see other people
in the art.

Speaker 6 (04:06:42):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (04:06:43):
Yes? How many people were in the art probably till
fifteen to twenty.

Speaker 1 (04:06:52):
Of those fifteen to twenty, only two were not from
the Shelton High Party correct.

Speaker 3 (04:06:59):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:07:00):
Nobody else got.

Speaker 6 (04:07:01):
Out of the vehicle?

Speaker 3 (04:07:02):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (04:07:04):
Well, I didn't see a vehicle at this point. I
just saw the two individuals.

Speaker 10 (04:07:11):
From what I remember, the vehicle actually drove up kind
of as the fight was going But I could be wrong.
I just don't remember seeing a vehicle. I just remember
seeing the two individuals.

Speaker 1 (04:07:21):
But now you're telling us that you recalled that the
vehicle drove up as the fight was going on.

Speaker 10 (04:07:26):
Could have happened. I just didn't really pay attention to
the road. I was more so paying attention to the
actual what was going on in the yard.

Speaker 3 (04:07:35):
And you described for us.

Speaker 6 (04:07:38):
What you saw.

Speaker 1 (04:07:40):
Mister Valley and mister d Silva were close to one another, correct.

Speaker 6 (04:07:45):
From what I can remember.

Speaker 1 (04:07:46):
Yes, And they were to the left of the red bush, yes.

Speaker 6 (04:07:51):
Like in the in the space more space, spacious area.

Speaker 3 (04:07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:07:56):
And you recalled that Tyler d Silva was speaking to
Tyler Rich.

Speaker 6 (04:08:01):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (04:08:02):
And what do you recall mister Valley was doing at
that point.

Speaker 10 (04:08:05):
I don't recall. I think he was just kind of
there back in him up. He might have said a
couple of words I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (04:08:13):
And you said you heard it get louder as you
squeezed through between those cars.

Speaker 6 (04:08:17):
Right right, So when I was walking right about the
bed of the truck is when I heard it start
to get louder, like right as I got in the
middle of the bed. And I'm talking on the driver's
side still, So when I was still on the driver's
side walking, I heard it get a little louder. And
then as I was squeezing through is when I heard
the punching sound.

Speaker 1 (04:08:35):
You heard someone get punched in the face.

Speaker 6 (04:08:36):
Right. Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:08:37):
You described that as being a hard punch, right, Yes,
a loud bang, right, yes, not a rock, not.

Speaker 3 (04:08:45):
A rock, that's how you described it.

Speaker 1 (04:08:46):
It wasn't a rock, yes, And you said, you know
what that sounds like as far as a hard punch, right, I.

Speaker 10 (04:08:54):
Mean I assumed it was a punch from previous either
movies or whatever.

Speaker 6 (04:09:00):
I mean, I know what a punch sounds like.

Speaker 1 (04:09:03):
So you know what a punch sounds like. And you
heard that hard punch and that was somebody getting punched
in the face, correct, correct? And that was mister Valley
getting punched in the face, wasn't it.

Speaker 10 (04:09:13):
I don't recall who it was at all that got punched,
but I know there was a punching sound and that's
kind of when it all started.

Speaker 1 (04:09:21):
As you emerged from between the two vehicles, after this
punching sound, did you already have your phone out?

Speaker 6 (04:09:32):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (04:09:33):
No, okay, So as you emerged, you could see that
Tyler rich and Tyler da Silva were down on the ground, correct, Yes,
And you could see that Tyler D. Silva was on
his knees and he had his shirt sort of pulled
up over his head sort of hockey style, right, yes,

(04:09:53):
And you said you weren't trying to break them up
at that point, You just wanted to see what was
going on, right Yeah, you thought Tyler Rich could handle himself,
right yes, And at some point you would agree. You
pulled out your phone, you turned it on and you
started filming what was going on, right, Yes, you were

(04:10:15):
doing that as a snapchat or as something that was
on your camera.

Speaker 3 (04:10:21):
How were you now?

Speaker 6 (04:10:24):
Big circle for you to video stuff or take a picture.

Speaker 10 (04:10:27):
It's like the main screen when you click on it,
like still to this day, if you click on the app,
it just bring us up that picture where you could
take a video. So I had my phone out. You
could see the flash was on, So I was trying
to get what was happening on video to show the
two individuals back by the Belgian blocks, like I had mentioned.

Speaker 1 (04:10:49):
Before, right, the two girls. You were going to show
them this video, right yeah. In fact, you said you
were going to show them the video because they had
had some sort of previous interaction and you wanted to
show them and say, look at this video of Tyler
getting Tyler getting.

Speaker 10 (04:11:04):
What Tyler just in a in a tussle with Tyler
Rich I just I didn't know if they could see
it from their view because there were some people outside,
So I just you know, again, I was seventeen, probably
shouldn't have videoed. It wasn't really that funny, But in
the moment, I thought it was funny or not really funny,

(04:11:24):
but I just thought it was something that I should
show them, so I did.

Speaker 6 (04:11:28):
But it was definitely not the smartest choice.

Speaker 1 (04:11:30):
You were taking a video of somebody getting attacked when
you were going to show that to some girls, Is
that true.

Speaker 10 (04:11:40):
I wouldn't say anyone was being attacked. I think it
was pretty mutual. There was a tussle going on on
the floor, you know. Yeah, you see Tyler de Silva's
shirt pulled up, but Tyler rich is also under him,
and there was definitely something going on. But I wouldn't
say it was was doing it because I thought it
was funny. If somebody attacked, Like you just said, no,

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that wasn't the reason.

Speaker 2 (04:12:02):
Well, you told us you thought it was funny at
the time, right, I.

Speaker 10 (04:12:06):
Thought it was something that would be worth showing the girls. Yes,
I was also seventeen, so not the same person.

Speaker 6 (04:12:12):
I probably would definitely not take a video if I
was in that situation again.

Speaker 1 (04:12:16):
At the time. You took the video because you thought
it was amusing, and you wanted to show these two.

Speaker 6 (04:12:19):
Girls again, not amusing.

Speaker 10 (04:12:24):
I just thought it was something that was worth showing
them because of the previous interaction, like you just said.

Speaker 1 (04:12:30):
Because of the previous interaction that one of the girls
had had with Tyler d Silva you believed, correct, and
that interaction you thought would make it so that she
would want to see Tyler da Silva getting attacked by
Alec Bernston, Tyler rich sal Perry, Michael sam Perry. That's
what you were filming, right. You told us that you

(04:12:53):
thought Lily would want to see this video.

Speaker 2 (04:12:56):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (04:12:58):
I didn't know if she would want too. I just
was showing it to her and her friend.

Speaker 1 (04:13:03):
You told us you understood that Lily had had some
sort of previous interaction with Tyler d Silva, correct, Correct,
and that based on your understanding of that previous interaction
with Tyler da Silva, you wanted to show her this video.

Speaker 3 (04:13:17):
Correct. Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:13:18):
And you said, look at this video of Tyler getting
and then you trailed off, and it was Tyler getting what.

Speaker 10 (04:13:26):
I don't When did I say, look at this video
of Tyler getting So I'm at I don't recall, but
I do recall saying, hey, look at this video. If
I said, look at this video of a fight, look
at this video of Tyler, look at this video of
Tyler and Tyler. I have no idea what I said exactly,

(04:13:47):
but I know that I went and showed them the video,
which is what took my attention for a split second.

Speaker 2 (04:13:51):
Off of the fight, because that video was like a trophy.

Speaker 6 (04:13:55):
Right, I don't.

Speaker 10 (04:13:58):
I have plenty of trophies. I don't need any video trophies.
I don't know what that even means.

Speaker 1 (04:14:03):
Well, you were preserving to share with somebody else what
was going on when Tyler was being attacked, right.

Speaker 3 (04:14:13):
Uh, not attacked, and.

Speaker 10 (04:14:17):
I wasn't preserving it because if I really cared to
preserve it, I would have instantly saved the video, which
you have to do on Snapchat, which it probably would
have been more evidence for this case if I had
saved it.

Speaker 6 (04:14:28):
So I actually think about it quite often. I wish
I saved it, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (04:14:33):
You didn't save it, right, no, because you weren't taking
it to save it to show it to the police,
were you?

Speaker 2 (04:14:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:14:41):
That wasn't the kind of video that you would want
to share with the police, was it.

Speaker 9 (04:14:44):
No.

Speaker 10 (04:14:44):
I would love to have shared it with them after
what had happened, But in the instance, no, I wasn't
thinking of the police at all.

Speaker 1 (04:14:51):
Well, you were thinking about the police before you told this,
because you didn't want them to come rolling up and
everybody get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (04:14:57):
Do you remember that.

Speaker 1 (04:14:58):
Yeah, and you didn't want to show him this video
for the same reasons. Correct, this video would show your
friends involved in.

Speaker 10 (04:15:06):
A fight, right, No, because there was nothing too bad
in the video. And like I said, the video is deleted.
If I had had the video, I probably would have
I would have showed them. But the video was instantly
deleted when I heard my friend screaming he's got a knife.
So I put my phone down in my pocket and
on Snapchat, when there's a swiping down motion and the

(04:15:27):
video was never saved, it deletes it for good. And
that's what it happened, because an hour later, when I
pulled my phone out, there.

Speaker 6 (04:15:32):
Was no video.

Speaker 1 (04:15:34):
You were just unable to save the video and you
inadvertently deleted it. Was that your testimony direction asked an answer,
insisting you said you were five seconds into the video
showing it to the girls. Correct, Yeah, just Analiyah, So
you could have saved it, but you didn't. You were
showing it to somebody.

Speaker 3 (04:15:50):
Yeah, I was showing it.

Speaker 10 (04:15:52):
Then I heard somebody screaming that an individual has a knife,
which is takes priority over anything.

Speaker 1 (04:16:01):
And you watched some of the video that was taken
by Tanner Chronowski. Correct, Yes, And you said you thought
that that was Beason Teal saying let's.

Speaker 9 (04:16:12):
Go in the video.

Speaker 6 (04:16:17):
I'm sorry, can you rephrase that? I don't know what
you mean.

Speaker 1 (04:16:20):
Do you recall telling the state's attorney when he asked
you who said let's go, that you thought that was
Faison Teal?

Speaker 10 (04:16:27):
I just know that Tanner said, yes, sir in the beginning.
That's Tanner's voice, and I am strongly in belief that
Faison was who said whatever was said afterwards.

Speaker 3 (04:16:40):
Yes, And then we went through a series of still
shots from that same video.

Speaker 6 (04:16:46):
I'm going to show you some of those. This is
Exhibit Sixtyeople one. Do you recall seeing that before?

Speaker 1 (04:16:53):
Yes, sir, And you identified yourself right here looking at
the camera wearing pink shorts and a white shirt with your.

Speaker 3 (04:16:59):
Camera correct, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:01):
And then who did you say this person was beside him?

Speaker 3 (04:17:05):
Sal Perry?

Speaker 6 (04:17:05):
I think? And who's this person in front of South?
I don't think the state's attorney used this photo to
identify whoever that person was, because I can't really tell.
You can't tell who that person is? No, can you
tell who this person is?

Speaker 2 (04:17:22):
No?

Speaker 10 (04:17:23):
It looks like a white blur. I can't see anything
outside of me and sal okay.

Speaker 6 (04:17:28):
Then you were shown this still shot.

Speaker 9 (04:17:32):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (04:17:33):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (04:17:34):
You identified I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (04:17:35):
Attorney Smith White exhibit is that.

Speaker 9 (04:17:38):
That is exhibit sixty three?

Speaker 6 (04:17:41):
Sixty three? You identify this person as Ryan Hines?

Speaker 3 (04:17:43):
Correct? Yes, sir?

Speaker 9 (04:17:44):
Who's this person?

Speaker 3 (04:17:45):
Sal Perry?

Speaker 9 (04:17:46):
Self?

Speaker 6 (04:17:46):
Harry is in front of Brian Hines.

Speaker 3 (04:17:48):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:17:49):
You identified this person in front of Selth Harry as
being Alex Bernston correct, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:54):
Identified this person in the.

Speaker 1 (04:17:55):
Black shirts in front of him wearing a red hat
as being Michael s Perry.

Speaker 3 (04:17:59):
Correct, sir.

Speaker 1 (04:18:01):
Do you see a person in a white shirt over
towards the right hand side of this that I'm pointing to?

Speaker 3 (04:18:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:18:08):
I see. Do you know who that is? I can't
make out who that is, sir. We're also shown State's
Exhibit sixty five.

Speaker 1 (04:18:15):
Do you see that, sir? Yes, you identified this person
in the foreground wearing the white shirt and the black.

Speaker 9 (04:18:21):
Shorts as being Charlie Connery.

Speaker 3 (04:18:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:18:23):
Can you identify this person walking behind him wearing a
gray shirt and black shorts.

Speaker 6 (04:18:28):
Yeah, it looks like Joey Romano Joey Romano.

Speaker 3 (04:18:31):
Yes, how do you know Joey Romano?

Speaker 6 (04:18:36):
He's quite a bit older than me.

Speaker 10 (04:18:37):
I want to say three grades older than me, so
only two grades older than Tyler. I just I know
him through other people. I think I played sports with
him back in the day when I was in like
Little League baseball, but no real serious relationship with him.

Speaker 1 (04:18:57):
So he was considerably older than you.

Speaker 20 (04:19:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:19:01):
You spoke to police that night twice, correct, Yes, sir,
he gave them a statement at one in the morning,
and then a statement again to Detective Bango at two
in the morning.

Speaker 3 (04:19:09):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (04:19:10):
Yes, sir, You did not see a weapon or the
stabbing during the fight.

Speaker 6 (04:19:16):
Correct, Yeah, I didn't see it in the fight. Yes, sir, you.

Speaker 1 (04:19:22):
Claim that the only time you saw what you've described
as a switch blade with a long pointed blade was
when you were down speaking with mister Valley around the
bushes by thirty six Laurel blind Drive.

Speaker 6 (04:19:34):
Correct. The only time I saw a weapon in the
form of a three inch blade. I don't know if
it had grooves.

Speaker 10 (04:19:41):
I don't know if it was a switchblade, but whatever
weapon I saw in his hand. Yes, that's the only
time I saw it.

Speaker 3 (04:19:46):
And you believe that the police arrived after the paramedics.

Speaker 6 (04:19:49):
Correct, that's what I believe.

Speaker 1 (04:19:51):
Yes, that's your testimony now that you don't recall telling
Detective Banngo that you heard people say that mister Valley
was flashing a knife outside the car window.

Speaker 10 (04:20:04):
So question because you said to me that I said
that he was flashing it, and now you're saying to
me that I said I heard people say that. So
maybe if I heard people say that, that's what I said.
I never said that he was flashing it outside the
car window. I don't recall ever saying that. If other
people said that to me, and that's what I said
on the statement, maybe I said that, but I definitely

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don't recall seeing him flashing anything outside of the one
time I saw it.

Speaker 1 (04:20:31):
From our interaction, Well, you do recall telling us that
the reason that you went out there was to do
the right thing, right, went out where.

Speaker 3 (04:20:40):
Out into the front yard when the car came back.

Speaker 1 (04:20:42):
Yes, And in your mind, doing the right thing was
filming this fight so that you could show it to
Lily and another girl.

Speaker 6 (04:20:50):
Correct.

Speaker 10 (04:20:50):
So in the moment of being in the basement, the
right thing was go outside, because I'm not going to
sit in the basement when a bunch of my friends
are outside dealing with something, whatever that may be. I
also was in a very tight friend group, Tyler Rich
being one of them, so I wanted to be present.
God forbid anything happen, which it did, so in my eyes,

(04:21:14):
I was still doing the right thing by being out there.

Speaker 3 (04:21:16):
You consider yourself a protector of your friends.

Speaker 6 (04:21:19):
No, I just consider myself a friend of my friends.

Speaker 3 (04:21:23):
You wouldn't want to see your friends get into any trouble.

Speaker 6 (04:21:26):
Who would?

Speaker 2 (04:21:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:21:27):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (04:21:29):
And you didn't tell the cops about filming this and
showing it to these girls, did you.

Speaker 10 (04:21:37):
I don't think I even remembered exactly filming it until
I had watched that video and pointed myself out and
was like, oh my god, that's me, I think. But
when I spoke with the cops directly, it had nothing
to do with being afraid to show the cops.

Speaker 6 (04:21:51):
I just don't think I remembered to bring that up.
It wasn't really that important at the time.

Speaker 1 (04:21:57):
You weren't going to tell them unless they asked you
about it.

Speaker 6 (04:22:01):
Uh No, I don't really, I don't recall. I don't
know if I was planning.

Speaker 3 (04:22:05):
On telling them or not, or you weren't going to
tell them at all.

Speaker 6 (04:22:11):
I don't recall nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:22:13):
Further, Thank you, mister Field. Did you intentionally delete that
video that you were taking that night on? No, sir, No, sir,
had you saved that video? Would you have given it
to the police?

Speaker 6 (04:22:25):
One thousand for the questions anything.

Speaker 4 (04:22:29):
On that limited reader. You're all right. You can ass
the witness box for all that. Thank you. Please watch
your step.

Speaker 5 (04:22:36):
As us said, thank you, does to state to have
any additional witnesses for today.

Speaker 4 (04:22:42):
Certainly you can come on it.

Speaker 6 (04:22:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (04:22:51):
You can come right up to the witness stand here, sir,
step into the witness box and remain standing.

Speaker 4 (04:23:00):
Madam Clark's going to put you on your own okay,
thank you.

Speaker 7 (04:23:03):
Your right hands. Do you sell sweet or song student
the affair.

Speaker 31 (04:23:08):
As the piece maybe that the others shall be nothing
that you so your God or your yes, thank you you.

Speaker 9 (04:23:19):
See your full last of rooms too.

Speaker 6 (04:23:24):
F A R S R one b R E W I.

Speaker 3 (04:23:30):
N N G T O N T E l E
s your dress.

Speaker 4 (04:23:38):
All right, sir, you may be stated, Thank you gofternoon.

Speaker 3 (04:23:41):
How you doing doing good? Man? Are you good?

Speaker 2 (04:23:44):
Nervous?

Speaker 3 (04:23:45):
A little bit? Fase on? Hold? I'm twenty years of age.
Do you go to school? Yes? I do.

Speaker 2 (04:23:51):
Where do you go to school?

Speaker 3 (04:23:52):
I'm a fourth year student at the university. You knew even?

Speaker 2 (04:23:56):
And have we met before today?

Speaker 6 (04:23:59):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (04:23:59):
We are.

Speaker 3 (04:24:00):
Why did we meet? We met regarding the incident that
occurred on May fourteenth, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (04:24:06):
And how many times have we met?

Speaker 3 (04:24:07):
A couple of times? A couple of times.

Speaker 6 (04:24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:24:10):
I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth and
twenty twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 3 (04:24:15):
I was seventeen years age.

Speaker 2 (04:24:16):
And were you in school?

Speaker 3 (04:24:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (04:24:18):
I was?

Speaker 3 (04:24:18):
Where were we in school? Shellt night school?

Speaker 2 (04:24:20):
And did you play any sports?

Speaker 3 (04:24:21):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (04:24:21):
I did?

Speaker 2 (04:24:22):
What sports did you play?

Speaker 3 (04:24:23):
I played football?

Speaker 2 (04:24:24):
And I want to direct your attention to that day.

Speaker 6 (04:24:29):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:24:30):
Was there was there an occasion where you went to
a house located at forty four Tucket at.

Speaker 3 (04:24:36):
Yes, there was all right?

Speaker 2 (04:24:37):
Tell us why you.

Speaker 6 (04:24:38):
Went to that house? So?

Speaker 32 (04:24:39):
I was at my friend Rodrigo Crespo's house from my
friend Antonio Caapamola's surprise birthday party.

Speaker 3 (04:24:46):
And how long were you there for? I was there
for maybe like an hour? And you were called?

Speaker 2 (04:24:50):
What time you got there?

Speaker 3 (04:24:51):
I got there around nine pm? And so you were
there from between nine and ten pm?

Speaker 6 (04:24:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:24:56):
And at some point in time did you leave there?

Speaker 3 (04:24:58):
Yes? I did? Why did you leave? And why did
you go to Tyler Richard's house? This a regular thing
to do? He texted us to come there, so you
went there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:25:09):
How did you go over there?

Speaker 3 (04:25:10):
I was with my friend Jeremyoko. He was driving.

Speaker 2 (04:25:13):
When you were at forty four Parktucket Avenue.

Speaker 3 (04:25:16):
What kind of party was that other than a surprise party?
Were you hanging out? Yeah? Hanging out high school party?

Speaker 2 (04:25:23):
Would you say high school party? Did you have anything
any alcohol to drink at the high school party?

Speaker 3 (04:25:28):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:25:28):
I did?

Speaker 3 (04:25:29):
And what were you drinking? I'm drinking beer?

Speaker 2 (04:25:31):
And how many beers? Would you say?

Speaker 9 (04:25:32):
You had?

Speaker 6 (04:25:32):
Had?

Speaker 3 (04:25:33):
About like two?

Speaker 2 (04:25:34):
And when you when you left, when Jeremy Oko brought
you to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (04:25:41):
This is yes, I do. That's Taler Richard's house. That's
the house you went to that night, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (04:25:50):
And when you went over to Tyler Rich's house on
May fourteenth and twenty twenty two, did you bring any
alcohol with you?

Speaker 3 (04:25:57):
No, I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (04:25:58):
So when you got there, uh, at Tyler Rich's house,
how did did you go right in the house when
you got there?

Speaker 3 (04:26:05):
Yeah? I went right into the house.

Speaker 2 (04:26:06):
And was it just you and Jeremioko in the car?

Speaker 3 (04:26:09):
It was me, Jeremioko, jacob O Lobo's mathew, More Sanchez
and at a.

Speaker 2 (04:26:17):
And when you got there? Uh, you said where did
you say you walked in the house?

Speaker 3 (04:26:23):
No, so I walked in like through the backyard.

Speaker 25 (04:26:27):
What's side you're looking at this exhibit, so hop pointing
to this this area here. Okay, the blue pickup truck
whords open you can kind of see like.

Speaker 3 (04:26:40):
You can kind of see, yeah, like a little opening.

Speaker 6 (04:26:43):
Yeah, is that where you went in?

Speaker 3 (04:26:45):
Yeah? I went in around. I went around and through.

Speaker 2 (04:26:47):
The bat what kind of what kind of entrances over there?

Speaker 3 (04:26:51):
Over there's an entrance to the basement and you.

Speaker 2 (04:26:53):
Walk down into the basement. Now, when you got to
the basement. What kind of things were going on in
the if here? Just when you say chilling, what does
that mean? The jury doesn't know.

Speaker 6 (04:27:04):
You gotta explain that.

Speaker 2 (04:27:05):
And there were there was alcohol being consumed. Yes, And
when you got there, did you have any alcohol yourself?

Speaker 9 (04:27:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:27:10):
And what were you drinking?

Speaker 3 (04:27:11):
Two bud lights? And outside of the two bud lights,
did you have anything else to drink that night?

Speaker 6 (04:27:17):
No, sir?

Speaker 2 (04:27:18):
So you get two at forty four talk at two
at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (04:27:22):
Yes, sir. And you got there at about ten at
ten pm? Yeah, like around like ten fifteen.

Speaker 2 (04:27:26):
What kind of night was it was? It?

Speaker 9 (04:27:27):
Was it dark?

Speaker 3 (04:27:28):
Was it pitch black? It was a regular night like
dark a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:27:33):
When you were outside before you got into Tyler Richard's house,
could you see inside?

Speaker 3 (04:27:36):
Can you see outside? And yeah, was there anybody outside
when you got to Tayler Richards? I got to Tyler Richards? No.
And how do you know Tyler rich He's a really
good friend of mine. I met him when I first
came to Shelling, always been close to him, played football
with him. He really brought me around it and one
picked up for school every day.

Speaker 2 (04:27:57):
Yeah, okay, you know this is uh State's Exhibit fifty four.

Speaker 27 (04:28:04):
Do you know where that is?

Speaker 3 (04:28:05):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:28:05):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (04:28:06):
That's me?

Speaker 9 (04:28:09):
Fifty six. Do you know who this is?

Speaker 3 (04:28:11):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:28:12):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (04:28:12):
That's Ryan Hines?

Speaker 6 (04:28:14):
How do you know Ryan Hines?

Speaker 3 (04:28:15):
I played football of him. He was two years under me,
younger than you.

Speaker 6 (04:28:19):
Yeah, sts Exhibit fifty five.

Speaker 3 (04:28:22):
You know where that is? Yes, that's Tommy Tommery.

Speaker 6 (04:28:26):
How do you know Tommy?

Speaker 3 (04:28:28):
Uh, Tommy's always friends with him, met him to high school.

Speaker 9 (04:28:33):
Stage fifty seven.

Speaker 6 (04:28:34):
Do you know who that is Steve?

Speaker 3 (04:28:36):
Yes? Who's that Jimmy McGrath. Do you know Jimmy McGrath?

Speaker 4 (04:28:41):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:28:41):
I did?

Speaker 3 (04:28:42):
How do you know what I was friends with him? Now?

Speaker 2 (04:28:47):
On May fourteenth to twenty two? Were these individuals at
Tyler Rich's house at the time?

Speaker 3 (04:28:53):
Yes? They were?

Speaker 2 (04:28:55):
Uh do you know Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 3 (04:28:58):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 2 (04:28:58):
Was he present at Teyler Richard's house?

Speaker 3 (04:29:00):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:29:00):
He was?

Speaker 2 (04:29:01):
How about Sal Perry was he there?

Speaker 3 (04:29:02):
Yes? What about Mike sam Perry Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:29:05):
What about Charlie Connery was he yes? And how about
Jake Billa Lobos, Yes.

Speaker 3 (04:29:10):
He was there.

Speaker 2 (04:29:11):
He was there because you went with there with him, right?

Speaker 6 (04:29:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:29:13):
And how about matt Lock of it. You know matt
Lock of It?

Speaker 3 (04:29:15):
Yes, I know Matthew. Was he present at Telerichids, Yes, he.

Speaker 2 (04:29:18):
Was right now when you got to.

Speaker 3 (04:29:23):
Me, when you got to uh May, when.

Speaker 2 (04:29:27):
You got to forty three, Laurel Glenn, What were you
wearing that night?

Speaker 3 (04:29:31):
I was wearing a rubber Ducky marvel T shirt.

Speaker 6 (04:29:35):
Sure you stayed.

Speaker 9 (04:29:36):
Exhibited twenty three?

Speaker 6 (04:29:37):
Yes you recognize states Exhibit twenty three.

Speaker 3 (04:29:40):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 9 (04:29:41):
What is this exhibit?

Speaker 6 (04:29:43):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:29:43):
That's the sure I was wearing that.

Speaker 2 (04:29:45):
Night when you got there? Who you're chilling out with
your friends in the basement? How long would you say
you were there for?

Speaker 3 (04:29:54):
Uh like in the basement? Yeah, probably fifteen twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:29:58):
Can we take after about fifteen or twenty minutes? Did
with drawn you're familiar with Griffin Marsinsic?

Speaker 3 (04:30:09):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (04:30:10):
How are you familiar with them?

Speaker 3 (04:30:11):
He played football with me?

Speaker 2 (04:30:13):
And after about fifteen or twenty minutes, did Ryan Hines
and Griffin Marsinsic show up at Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 6 (04:30:19):
Yes, it did.

Speaker 2 (04:30:20):
And when they showed up at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (04:30:22):
Did you speak with them briefly?

Speaker 1 (04:30:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:30:25):
And in speaking with them, not with what they said.

Speaker 2 (04:30:29):
But when you spoke to them, were informed about an
incident that occurred prior to Tyler Rich's house over at
Lazybrook Road?

Speaker 6 (04:30:36):
Yes? I was.

Speaker 2 (04:30:37):
And were you aware of what had happened over on
Lazybrook Road with regards to Ryan Hines prior to Ryan
and Griffin arriving at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 3 (04:30:49):
No, I wasn't. So you were informed when you got.

Speaker 2 (04:30:52):
There that something had happened at Lazybrook But yes, were
you aware based on that kind of conversation who that involved? No?

Speaker 3 (04:31:02):
I wasn't aware yet on whovo and.

Speaker 2 (04:31:06):
After you spoke with them withdrawn Prior to speaking with
Ryan and Griffin, were you aware of any group chat
messaging that was going on in relation to that incident
that happened on Lazierbroke Road, No, I wasn't. After speaking
with Ryan and Griffin, were you made aware that there

(04:31:28):
was a group chat messaging that was happening with regards
to that, No, I wasn't. At any point during your
interaction with anybody at Tyler Rich's house, were you aware
of this group messaging that was going on?

Speaker 3 (04:31:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:31:41):
Okay, when did you become aware of it?

Speaker 3 (04:31:42):
I would say I believe it was Tanner who's talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (04:31:46):
And at some point in time, withdrawn, when Tanner informed
you that this group messaging was going on. Did that
happen before or after individuals showed.

Speaker 3 (04:31:58):
Up to the house? Was before? Can you repeat the question?

Speaker 6 (04:32:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:32:06):
Okay, Now were you made aware of this group chat
before that happened or after that happened?

Speaker 3 (04:32:10):
Before that happened?

Speaker 6 (04:32:11):
How long before?

Speaker 3 (04:32:12):
Maybe about like five minutes?

Speaker 6 (04:32:16):
How were you made aware that that they showed up
to the house.

Speaker 32 (04:32:19):
So someone I do not recall who said, but someone
said people were like pulling up the ties, and obviously
I don't know who they was talking about, but well,
I also told that they had McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (04:32:32):
So you know me, I'm biking kids, I was hungry.

Speaker 6 (04:32:36):
So so so you were you were made aware that
they had McDonald's and you were hungry.

Speaker 3 (04:32:44):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (04:32:44):
At some point in time, did you did you exit
Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 3 (04:32:48):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 9 (04:32:49):
And when you exit Tyler Richard's house, how did you
leave the house?

Speaker 3 (04:32:52):
I left through the back and then next to that
AC unit came out towards the front area.

Speaker 5 (04:32:58):
So you exited the.

Speaker 2 (04:33:01):
Where the Billco doors were.

Speaker 9 (04:33:02):
We exited through the Billcote doors.

Speaker 6 (04:33:04):
Yes, we've got up.

Speaker 29 (04:33:05):
We're all on the same page. Here, States exhibit five.
You exited this area here, yes, and I'm pointing to
the area. It's it looks like a circle clearing in
front of the blue pickup truck and what appears to
be it's.

Speaker 2 (04:33:19):
Like a mulch pile right there, right.

Speaker 6 (04:33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (04:33:23):
And when you exited that area, did you walk down
how did you walk down the driveway?

Speaker 3 (04:33:27):
How did you walk towards the car, like through the graves?
Is that like through the grass?

Speaker 2 (04:33:32):
Like?

Speaker 3 (04:33:32):
Well, through the driveway first and then like across.

Speaker 6 (04:33:36):
I'm gonna show your State's Exhibit forty nine. When the
car arrived at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (04:33:43):
Are you able to describe to the jury using States
Exhibit forty nine, where you observed with the car at
that point?

Speaker 6 (04:33:50):
Yes, where it was?

Speaker 3 (04:33:51):
It was across the street.

Speaker 6 (04:33:53):
When you say across the street, can you describe where across.

Speaker 3 (04:33:56):
The street it was on the right? Well?

Speaker 32 (04:33:58):
Yeah, it was on the right hand side, are we well, yeah, yes,
some of the was it It was on the right
side of the street. Yeah, this side of the street
over here, Oh, my bad, I forgot.

Speaker 3 (04:34:14):
It's on the right side of the street.

Speaker 29 (04:34:15):
Sorry, let me know if I'm correct, pointing right here,
just to the area left of these bushes on the
bottom of forty nine, on the right.

Speaker 3 (04:34:25):
Side of the road, Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:34:28):
Regular reflect that's where I'm pointing. Yes, the left of
those trees on the bottom of the World one.

Speaker 2 (04:34:37):
So when when you notice the car, uh, was it
parked on the side of the road?

Speaker 9 (04:34:43):
Was on the road?

Speaker 32 (04:34:45):
It was more like an It was like in the road,
like near the side. It wasn't like exactly all the
way over though.

Speaker 9 (04:34:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:34:51):
And so this is a picture of Tyler's house. Are
you aware of the road that this road right here
on the.

Speaker 6 (04:35:00):
Lower left hand portion of forty nine, that's Adams Drive? Yes? Yeah,
Do you know this road up here on the other
side of the World one.

Speaker 3 (04:35:10):
I did not recall. I did not recall.

Speaker 6 (04:35:13):
All right, And when you went out of the house
to approach the car.

Speaker 2 (04:35:18):
Were you with it?

Speaker 3 (04:35:20):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:35:20):
I was?

Speaker 3 (04:35:21):
It was me Tyler Ridge. I do not recall. What's
just with us?

Speaker 6 (04:35:28):
How many people would you say, we're with you at
the time?

Speaker 3 (04:35:31):
Like around five to seven people? Okay out there?

Speaker 2 (04:35:35):
At some point in time did more people come outside?

Speaker 3 (04:35:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:35:38):
Did you approach this vehicle at all?

Speaker 3 (04:35:41):
Yes, it's kind of car. Do you remember what kind
of car was? It was like a black suv show.

Speaker 9 (04:35:48):
Does that look like the vehicle that you saw that night?

Speaker 13 (04:35:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:35:50):
It does.

Speaker 2 (04:35:51):
And when you approached the vehicle? Uh, do you remember
what side of the car you approached?

Speaker 3 (04:35:57):
Yes? What side the driver's side?

Speaker 2 (04:35:59):
And when you approach the driver's side, how close to
the car did you get when you when you went
up to the car.

Speaker 3 (04:36:05):
Pretty close?

Speaker 2 (04:36:06):
When you stay pretty close?

Speaker 3 (04:36:07):
I was right next to the car, so like a
like a foot or two? Yeah, like a yes. And
based on the lighting that night, we were able to
see inside the car.

Speaker 2 (04:36:17):
Yes, And tell the ladies and gentlemen jury what you
were able to observe when you initially approached the car.

Speaker 3 (04:36:21):
So I first to approached the car, I saw about
four people in the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (04:36:27):
You only saw about four people? You know if there
were anybody else in the vehicle?

Speaker 6 (04:36:30):
No, I do not know.

Speaker 2 (04:36:31):
And did you recognize anybody in the vehicle that night?

Speaker 3 (04:36:33):
Yes? Who did you recognize Mackenzie traffic Who else? Did
you recognize anybody else?

Speaker 1 (04:36:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:36:39):
Who is Mackenzie trafficante.

Speaker 3 (04:36:42):
Girl from showing and how do you know her? I
know where I went to middle school for.

Speaker 2 (04:36:48):
And when you approached the car, did you have a
conversation with anybody in the car at first? Who did
you have a conversation?

Speaker 3 (04:36:54):
I believe it was a driver? So you're asking about McDonald's.
The driver in your backed off.

Speaker 32 (04:37:00):
Yeah, like they said, he was like, no, we don't
got a McDonald's. And I was like all right, So
I really like I was off tours decide after that,
just like chillinghi. But I was so close to the car,
like I wasn't like far away.

Speaker 2 (04:37:12):
When you were initially talking to the driver, were you
having did you indicate anything else to him other than
whether or.

Speaker 3 (04:37:19):
Not he had McDonald's. Did you say anything else to him? No?

Speaker 2 (04:37:23):
And after you spoke to the driver, you said you
moved away from the car. Did you observe anything happened
between your friends and the car while you were out there?

Speaker 3 (04:37:36):
Yes? I did?

Speaker 2 (04:37:37):
What did you observe?

Speaker 32 (04:37:38):
So they started like arguing while there was like near
the car, and then that's where I got closer, and
I started like screaming like yo, y'all gotta leave, like
y'all gotta dip.

Speaker 2 (04:37:49):
And then you said you guys gotta leave.

Speaker 3 (04:37:51):
Yeah, you gotta leave.

Speaker 6 (04:37:52):
Yeah? And what else did you say to them?

Speaker 3 (04:37:55):
Oh, you're like, y'all gotta dip Like that's like another
Does that mean that's another term for like leaving?

Speaker 20 (04:38:00):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:38:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:38:00):
And uh did you say that loud?

Speaker 3 (04:38:02):
Yeah? Definitely?

Speaker 2 (04:38:04):
And what happened when you were telling them to leave?

Speaker 32 (04:38:06):
When I was telling them to leave, they like weren't
moving at first, and then like you started like rocking
the car like back and forth. After that they left,
they went straight down the road and they started like
coming back and forth.

Speaker 6 (04:38:21):
And when when you say they went down the road,
did they drive.

Speaker 3 (04:38:26):
Behind him?

Speaker 9 (04:38:28):
See it's exhibit one.

Speaker 2 (04:38:30):
You approached the driver's side door, So was the car
facing this way? If you approached the driver's side door
facing towards the farmhouse? L And which way did the
car drive when you when when they left they left
that way? And when when they kept driving back and forth?

(04:38:50):
What if anything was happening.

Speaker 32 (04:38:53):
People were like chasing the car per se they were
running behind it like when it was going back or do.

Speaker 3 (04:39:00):
You recall if any of your friends threw anything at
the car? Yes? Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:39:04):
And what if anything you were called being thrown.

Speaker 6 (04:39:07):
At the car.

Speaker 3 (04:39:08):
I'm pretty sure there's a beer can.

Speaker 2 (04:39:10):
And did anything? Was anything thrown from the car at
any point?

Speaker 3 (04:39:13):
Not that I recall.

Speaker 2 (04:39:16):
Now do you recall when when the beer can was
thrown at the cards?

Speaker 9 (04:39:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:39:21):
Where did it hit the car? You recall where did
it hit the car?

Speaker 3 (04:39:25):
I don't know, but I heard like a shattered so
like a loud like thump.

Speaker 6 (04:39:32):
You call whether or not this windshield?

Speaker 3 (04:39:36):
Yeah, whether or not that was that? I recall?

Speaker 2 (04:39:41):
But you heard some type of shadow. Now at some
point in time, does the car stop driving back and forth?

Speaker 3 (04:39:50):
Tell me? Tell me about that. What do you what
do you recall about that happening when you stopped? There's
some people over there. I didn't personally see what happened
over there. But then over there? Where where did they stop?
Where they where the car stop? Where do you recall
where on the street? No, I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (04:40:06):
Was it close to forty three Laurel Glenn or was
it further away?

Speaker 3 (04:40:09):
A bit further away? It wasn't like right exactly. Was
it closer to Adams or was it closer to Farmhouse Road?

Speaker 6 (04:40:21):
It was definitely close to the farmhouse.

Speaker 3 (04:40:22):
Okay, So when the car stopped close to the farmhouse road.

Speaker 6 (04:40:26):
How did you how did you see that it was stopped?

Speaker 21 (04:40:29):
Stop?

Speaker 6 (04:40:30):
Where were you obviously stopped?

Speaker 3 (04:40:34):
I was like there, I was like on the side
of the road. You were on the side of the
road in front of Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (04:40:42):
And how long would you say you were watching what
was going on down the.

Speaker 3 (04:40:47):
Road when the car stopped? Like thirty seconds?

Speaker 2 (04:40:50):
If that after thirty seconds, what did you do?

Speaker 6 (04:40:53):
What I do?

Speaker 3 (04:40:54):
Everybody just started coming back in the house, okay. And
did you go back inside the house?

Speaker 2 (04:40:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:40:58):
Okay, what did you do? I didn't. I was just
like outside, like with the guys afterwards? What were you
doing outside with the guys?

Speaker 2 (04:41:06):
Do you recall whether or not any of your friends
went down the street after the car?

Speaker 3 (04:41:11):
Yes? Do you know who went down the street?

Speaker 2 (04:41:13):
Now at some point in time, do you recall whether
or not your friends came back from down the street.

Speaker 3 (04:41:20):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:41:21):
And when they came back down the street, what, if
anything did you do.

Speaker 3 (04:41:25):
Just waiting for them to come back. I was just
dapping people up whatever. After that, Like I was like hot,
giving high fives, like shaking hands after Why were you
doing that? Because they came back from running people off
from the house. Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:41:39):
And when they came back and you guys were chilling
and you guys met back up, did you did you
go have an occasion go back inside the house? No,
you stayed outside.

Speaker 3 (04:41:49):
I stayed outside.

Speaker 2 (04:41:50):
And at some point in time when you were outside,
did did the car return?

Speaker 3 (04:41:56):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:41:56):
It did? Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:41:57):
Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen what.

Speaker 9 (04:42:00):
Happened in your car returned?

Speaker 32 (04:42:01):
So when the car returned, the car returned. Two individuals
got out of the motor vehicle and they came up
to us around so.

Speaker 3 (04:42:14):
Around the front of the rich's house. And when they
came up, I'm gonna show you states before.

Speaker 6 (04:42:22):
Yeah, you show me on stage four where where they
came up?

Speaker 3 (04:42:27):
Where did where you came up? Yes, So just describe,
just describe it. The hordes of grass they kind of
near the bus. The red bush said, So this red.

Speaker 9 (04:42:39):
Bush did it come up the street?

Speaker 3 (04:42:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:42:43):
And uh, at what point when the car was driving
up here did you see the two.

Speaker 3 (04:42:47):
Individuals get out when they when they were parked, when
the car stopped.

Speaker 2 (04:42:51):
Remember where the car parked or where the car.

Speaker 3 (04:42:53):
Stopped, Yes, where it was on the side they where
the grass is the.

Speaker 6 (04:43:02):
Can you show on stage fifty two where you recall
the car stopped? I call the car stow.

Speaker 3 (04:43:10):
Okay, so somewhere over here.

Speaker 6 (04:43:14):
Reflects the bottom near the mail box fifty.

Speaker 4 (04:43:19):
Two your own. I let the record reflect it's near
the mailbox, but it's the right of the mail box.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:43:26):
When the car stopped, you said you noticed individuals get
out of the car, yes, And who did you notice
get out.

Speaker 3 (04:43:33):
Of the car, Lido? And then Tyler de Silba Do
you know Tyler de Silva prior to that?

Speaker 2 (04:43:40):
Know? And do you recall what Tyler de Silva was
wearing that night?

Speaker 6 (04:43:45):
Yeah? What was he wearing?

Speaker 3 (04:43:46):
He had like a blue baseball jersey on.

Speaker 2 (04:43:48):
And you said, Lido, do you know Liedo No, I do, yes,
but prior to that and does leto have a different name,
Raoul Raoul Valley And it's Roaul Valley present in the
courtroom today, Yes he is.

Speaker 6 (04:44:01):
And what is he wearing?

Speaker 3 (04:44:02):
He's wearing a blue suit.

Speaker 2 (04:44:04):
And can you police point him out for the record.
You may the record reflect the witnesses identified the defendant.

Speaker 5 (04:44:10):
In this case, Cardle will allow the record to reflect
that the witness has identified mister Royald Valley.

Speaker 4 (04:44:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:44:17):
Now, when when was did anybody else get out of
the car that you recognize at that point? No, it
was just those two individuals individuals. And when they got
out of the car. Can you please describe to the
ladies and gentlemen of the jury how they were Did
they approach you and your friends?

Speaker 3 (04:44:35):
Yes? And how did they approach you?

Speaker 2 (04:44:37):
Not?

Speaker 3 (04:44:38):
And like it was in their demeanor was looking like
they were trying to start a problem, trying to start
a problem? Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:44:45):
And with regards to States fifty two, do you recall
where on stage fifty two behind you where they walked
on on the property. The record can reflect he's motioning
to what is the tree that is on State's fifty two?

Speaker 4 (04:45:04):
All right, we'll allow the record to reflect that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:45:07):
How close were the defendant and mister de Silva when
they were approaching your you and your friends on.

Speaker 3 (04:45:12):
The property, Like, how close were they to me? So
at first I wasn't really close to them.

Speaker 32 (04:45:17):
And then when they were talking to Tyler Rich he
was at the front, overheard him say where's Aidan King?

Speaker 3 (04:45:26):
And I was aid and King that's one of my
close friends. So that's when I came towards the front
because they said they was looking for aiden.

Speaker 9 (04:45:33):
Do you know who was asking for aiding?

Speaker 2 (04:45:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:45:35):
I do not recall.

Speaker 2 (04:45:37):
No, how close was the defendant and Tyler de Silva
to each other when they were approaching you and your friends?

Speaker 3 (04:45:44):
Like how close were they to each other yet? Like
probably like two feet apart?

Speaker 2 (04:45:50):
And some of them walked up asking for aidan king.

Speaker 3 (04:45:54):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (04:45:56):
Now, at some point in time, can you tell the
ladies and gentlemen the jury were you close to Tyler
d Silva or the defendant at any particular month?

Speaker 3 (04:46:10):
League closer to the defendant? I'm sorry, I was closer
to the defendant, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:46:15):
And when you were did you have an interaction with
the defendant when when you were close to him?

Speaker 6 (04:46:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:46:21):
And what was that interaction? Like I said, y'all got
to leave and get out of here. And what was
the reaction to What was the defense reaction to you
saying he had to lead just like disregarded?

Speaker 2 (04:46:32):
And did he argue with you?

Speaker 3 (04:46:33):
Not with me personally?

Speaker 6 (04:46:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:46:35):
Was he arguing with anybody? Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:46:38):
What was he doing?

Speaker 28 (04:46:39):
He was?

Speaker 3 (04:46:40):
They were just standing there and they was bickering with
Tyler rich like arguing with him?

Speaker 2 (04:46:45):
And how long would you say the arguing back and
forth lasted for like thirty seconds? That after thirty seconds,
did something happen?

Speaker 6 (04:46:54):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:46:55):
What happened a punch? Do you recall who threw that punch?

Speaker 1 (04:46:58):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:46:58):
I do.

Speaker 3 (04:46:58):
Who threw that punch?

Speaker 6 (04:46:59):
Tyler?

Speaker 2 (04:47:00):
And do you recall why he threw that punch? No?

Speaker 3 (04:47:02):
I don't recall why. When you were when.

Speaker 2 (04:47:06):
Right before the punch was thrown?

Speaker 9 (04:47:08):
Were you close to the defendant?

Speaker 6 (04:47:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:47:10):
And do you recall who out of your friends was
near you at the time? No?

Speaker 3 (04:47:14):
I do not recall besides solid Ridge. Do you do
you know ty Wood? Yes? I know Tyler. Would do
you recall ty Wood was near you? Yes? He was
outside with us? Was he was he near you? Yes?
And you say you know, uh, Tommy Connor, Yes, it
is Tommy Connery close to you at the time? Or no,
not really, it was a bit like behind me.

Speaker 2 (04:47:38):
How about Charlie Connory?

Speaker 3 (04:47:39):
Was Charlie near you at the time? Not too close
to me?

Speaker 2 (04:47:41):
No? Now, when the punch was thrown, do you recall
who got hit?

Speaker 3 (04:47:48):
Yes? Who got hit? Tod and Tyler got hit? Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:47:51):
And when that happened, did the fight start? Yes, and
what tell describe what happened when the fight started.

Speaker 32 (04:47:58):
So, when the fight started, Tyler and Disilber went to
the ground and they was over there like towards this syria.

Speaker 3 (04:48:10):
Right, And where were you in relation to to fifty two?
I was like around this are.

Speaker 6 (04:48:19):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:48:19):
It's around near the tree? Yeah? Near the tree? Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:48:23):
And did you participate?

Speaker 3 (04:48:28):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (04:48:28):
I did.

Speaker 3 (04:48:29):
What did you do during the fight? I was throwing
some kicks okay?

Speaker 6 (04:48:33):
What kind of kicks like stomps?

Speaker 2 (04:48:34):
Like?

Speaker 3 (04:48:36):
Were they hard? Were they saw? What kind of they want?

Speaker 6 (04:48:38):
Too hard?

Speaker 3 (04:48:39):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:48:39):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (04:48:41):
Why I do that?

Speaker 32 (04:48:41):
Because these individuals they came on the Tyler Risis property
on avioded trying to cause an issue.

Speaker 27 (04:48:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:48:48):
Now, at some point in time did you did you
stop engaging in the fight?

Speaker 4 (04:48:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:48:52):
Why did you do that? Because I was like it
was time to start breaking up the fight.

Speaker 2 (04:48:56):
How long would you say it lasted for your interaction?

Speaker 3 (04:48:59):
My interaction in like twenty seconds? If and when that
was going on.

Speaker 2 (04:49:05):
Were you closer to Taylor, to Silver or the defendant?

Speaker 3 (04:49:08):
I did not recall.

Speaker 2 (04:49:10):
And but you were involved in the fight, yes, I
was at some point in time, Uh, tell, well, tell
us what happens after you you stopped fighting?

Speaker 32 (04:49:20):
You stopped fighting, after I stopped fighting, after I started fighting,
stopped fighting. At first, I see Tommy combery on the ground,
like his legs. It's like he couldn't move.

Speaker 3 (04:49:39):
Why couldn't he move?

Speaker 6 (04:49:40):
He was stopped?

Speaker 3 (04:49:44):
And what did you observe about Tommy?

Speaker 32 (04:49:46):
Because he was laying on the grass like he like
couldn't move at all, and there was just blood coming
from his legs. And then I looked over to the
right of him, and I seen Jimmy like sitting there
bleeding out out and Sow and Jacob like trying to
help him. And after that, someone came up to me

(04:50:08):
with a flashlight and there was like fa on your
arm and I saw it was like a big piece
of fat like hanging out of my arm and just
blood like bleeding down the side of me.

Speaker 3 (04:50:19):
Do you recall being that night?

Speaker 7 (04:50:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:50:22):
I do not recall.

Speaker 2 (04:50:25):
Do you recall seeing any weapon that night? No?

Speaker 3 (04:50:29):
Did you have any weapons on you that night?

Speaker 2 (04:50:31):
Did you do you recall whether or not.

Speaker 3 (04:50:37):
Do you recall?

Speaker 9 (04:50:38):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (04:50:38):
Why what's run? You don't recall being stabbed? Why don't
you recall being stabbed?

Speaker 32 (04:50:45):
There was so much like adrenaline flowing through my body
and I had I didn't even have an idea that
there was a knife or anything because I was just
like turned a round, Conder. I didn't really see anything
happen at that at that point, like after breaking up
the fight.

Speaker 2 (04:51:01):
Yeah, prior to your testimony today, did we review a
video of the fight?

Speaker 3 (04:51:11):
Yes? We did, and.

Speaker 6 (04:51:14):
I want to show you just skill.

Speaker 9 (04:51:16):
From that movie.

Speaker 6 (04:51:19):
This is uh State's Exhibit sixty. Okay, okay, this is
the We're going to show.

Speaker 2 (04:51:27):
You the slow motion version of State's Exhibit sixty, frame
number one, seventy eight.

Speaker 4 (04:51:32):
Yeah, Council, sure, whenever you feel there was a good temist.

Speaker 2 (04:51:40):
One, we're gonna do frame one seventy one. Can you
see that on your street?

Speaker 3 (04:51:44):
Yes? Seventy one.

Speaker 9 (04:51:48):
Jaison?

Speaker 2 (04:51:49):
Who is this individual right here?

Speaker 14 (04:51:51):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:51:51):
That's me.

Speaker 6 (04:51:54):
You indicated before that you had a marvel teacher. Yes,
it doesn't look like a marble.

Speaker 3 (04:51:59):
No, I did not much anymore.

Speaker 6 (04:52:00):
Why did you not have your shirt on when it
was hot?

Speaker 32 (04:52:04):
And two I was just shirtless at that point in time.
I took my shirt off like myself.

Speaker 2 (04:52:14):
If this is a good one to stop, all right?

Speaker 4 (04:52:16):
So ladies and gentlemen, this is a good time to
adjourn for the day.

Speaker 5 (04:52:20):
Obviously, the state is not done with its direct examination
the witness that we'll pick back up with that.

Speaker 4 (04:52:26):
Later in the evidential portion of this trial.

Speaker 5 (04:52:30):
So I am going to remind you of your obligations
and tell you that you must abide by the rules
of your conduct. I did describe those rules to you
and that conduct that you have to follow in the
beginning of the trial. I also have reiterated those rules
throughout the course of the trial. So continue to abide
by those rules. We will see you tomorrow the same time,

(04:52:50):
have a good evening.

Speaker 4 (04:52:51):
Thank you so much. Court stands a journed, all right.