Day 5

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Question General Judge Murphy residing the morning.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good morning, Good morning everyone. You may be seated, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Morning.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
All right, So we're back here today again to resume
evidence in the matter of State of Connecticut versus Royl Valley.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Council.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is there anything that needs to be addressed before we
go ahead and bring our jury.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
In this morning?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Nothing from the seat, all right, and we can.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Have the witness retake the stand. Attorney to our souse,
good morning, please come on ups, have a seat, and sir,
I do want to remind you that you do remain
under the obligation so the oath that you took when
you first entered the witness box.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Okay, thank you, all right, mister clerk, thank you.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
All right.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We are ready to proceed. Looks like everyone's all set.
Council please stipulate the return of our.

Speaker 6 (00:56):
Jurys defense stipulates.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Very good, Attorney, door, so you may continue on with
your direct examination of the witness.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Thank your honor, Thank you Ryan. I think yesterday when
we left off, we were talking about the fight just
prior to the fight starting. Was the group chat still
going on?

Speaker 7 (01:20):
I don't. I can't recall. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Do you know whether or not you had indicated that
your phone was buzzing in your in your in your pocket.
Do you recall whether or not you said anything in
the group chat?

Speaker 8 (01:32):
I think I mentioned one time, just calling them pussies.

Speaker 7 (01:36):
But that that's it. I just that's that's all I said.
I only said one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
And when you when you came out into the yard
to confront the defendant and mister d Silva, were you
closer to mister d Silva or the defend the defendant?
And at any point in time during the night, do
you recall fighting anybody other than the defendant?

Speaker 7 (01:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So when the fights? I think we played the video yesterday,
we played video. When the video is playing, uh, when
it starts? Is that the beginning of the actual fight
or do you from what your recollection is or did that?
When did the when? So? When did the fight with
regards to the video, Yeah, when.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
Did the fight happen? Was it?

Speaker 8 (02:22):
That video is probably twenty seconds into the fight, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And twenty seconds into the fight. You had already fought
with the defendant at this point, and at some point
in time you're what are you doing after you after
you well, tell us again how you you fought with
the defendant.

Speaker 8 (02:43):
So I kind of was just over top of the defendant. Uh,
punched him in the face two times, and then I
just felt a jab in my side and I looked
down and I see the defendant with his his his
right hand clinched up in a ball like this, and

(03:04):
he's just oken at my side.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Did you see any weapon on him?

Speaker 8 (03:07):
No, I didn't see a weapon or anything. I just
seen his fist and just going like this repeatedly over
and over again, and then just right there on my side.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And when that happened, After that happened, what did you do,
I just.

Speaker 8 (03:21):
Like like some instinct in me just was like get off,
get away, like just like like that.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And at some point in time did you lose oight
of the defendant?

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Did you see where he went?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And did you see the defendant after that before the
fight ended? Did you see him after the fight ended?
At some point in time do you recall watching the
fight with mister de Silva?

Speaker 9 (03:49):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
And when you were watching that fight with mister de Silva,
when did it become apparent to you that you were injured.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Like when I heard somebody's screen out, he's got a knife.
He's got a knife.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
So when you heard that, yeah, what triggered in your head?

Speaker 8 (04:06):
I was just like he's like I just heard that,
and I was like, he's got a knife, Like who's hurt?

Speaker 7 (04:13):
Like, is everybody okay?

Speaker 8 (04:14):
I didn't even realize I was hurt or anything. And
then my buddy Tywood came up to me and was like,
are you okay? Like you're bleeding and he pointed down
at my side and I had bled through all my clothing.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
And when you realized that you were bleeding, what.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
Did you do?

Speaker 8 (04:34):
I like lifted up my shirt and I wanted to see,
like what was wrong with me. I didn't know what
had happened. I don't know how many times I had
been stabbed or anything like that. And like, right at
the same time I'm realizing I had gotten stabbed, I
hear all the bubbles and like my lung collapsing basically
and like like bubbles in my chest. It was a
really weird sound. I don't know how to describe it.

(04:55):
I never want to hear that sound ever again. It
kind of like it like haunts me in a way.
But yeah, I just got super scared and I didn't
know what was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
We were able to breathe barely. And when you realized
that you were injured, what did you do next?

Speaker 8 (05:12):
I went inside and I just wanted to sit down
and get a glass of water. That's all I could
think of was sit down, get get a glass of water.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And did somebody bring you a glass of water?

Speaker 7 (05:23):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And do you call who that was?

Speaker 7 (05:26):
Why don't you recall it?

Speaker 8 (05:27):
I just was in such like a fog of like mentally,
all I could think of was just like one breath
out of time pretty much.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
At some point in time, did somebody come in the
house to get you and bring it outside? Do you
call who that was? And at some point in time
did you exit the house? Why did you exit the house.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
Because the ambulances were arriving.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
And when the ambulances arrived, did you did somebody render
a to you?

Speaker 9 (05:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (05:55):
Okay? And uh what did they What did they do
for you?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
When you're unseene?

Speaker 8 (06:00):
They just ra asking me my injuries and what was wrong?
And I just had to explain to the best I
could what I.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Felt and were you taken to the hospital. Yes, I'm
gonna show you. We started doing this yesterday. So state's
exhibit sixty one. Remember seeing this picture yesterday?

Speaker 10 (06:23):
Yeah, this individual here on the left, you know where
that is?

Speaker 7 (06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Who is that?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Ricky Feel?

Speaker 10 (06:31):
He's got the white shirt and the pick shorts on
the left side of sixty one. There, zib a sixty two.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Do you know who this individual is?

Speaker 7 (06:40):
That's a defendant.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Sibit sixty three? In a point.

Speaker 10 (06:45):
This kid here to the left appears to be a
green sweatshirt, black shorts with white trimp.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
Who is that? That's me?

Speaker 10 (06:52):
This kid here with the white shirt and black shorts
next to you, who's aut Perry?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
The kid next to him with jeans on with the
no on.

Speaker 10 (07:00):
You know who that is, Alex Alex Bernston. This guy
here with the jeans on, the black shirt and the
red hat.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
You know who that is, Yeah, Michael Samperry.

Speaker 10 (07:08):
And this guy here on his knees with what appears
to be a shirt pulled up with jeans on.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
You know who that is, yeah, Jack de Sova.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
That sixty four. This guy right here to the right
with the white shirt, black shorts on. Do you know
who that is.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
That's Charlie. Charlie Conray.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Again sixty five, Charlie Connery, Yeah. Sixty six.

Speaker 10 (07:33):
This guy right here with the white shirt appears to
be kan shorts next to you.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know who that is?

Speaker 7 (07:42):
That's Strake, Bill Lobo. Sorry.

Speaker 10 (07:44):
This guy right here with the shirt off, with the
camouflage pants on, with the shirt hanging out the back, do.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
You know who that is?

Speaker 7 (07:49):
Yeah, that's Matt Lokovic In.

Speaker 10 (07:51):
This individual right here with the navy blue shirt, white pants,
you know.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Who that is. That's Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Sixty seven. This individual who appears to be pushing somebody
to the picture, do you know who that is?

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Jakelobos.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And this individual here with navy.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Blue shirt, white pants, Jimmy McGrath's.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Said at sixty eight.

Speaker 10 (08:15):
This individual with the jeans appears to be a shirt
still pulled up with their back to us.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Tyler's Silva And this.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Individual to his left, do you know who that is?

Speaker 7 (08:25):
That's the defendant?

Speaker 10 (08:27):
Finally, state sixty nine, This individual appears to be near
the curb in the street with the.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Light blue jersey on. You know who that is?

Speaker 7 (08:35):
That's the soba.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
And this person here with the navy blucher on the
white pants, that's Jimmy Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Now, at some point in time, when when paramedics came
and Renyard hates you, do.

Speaker 10 (08:48):
You recall whether or not you took your shirt off
at the scene.

Speaker 8 (08:53):
I I think I did take my shirt off. I
think I was using it to cover up my stab wound.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you see it's exhibits. It's twenty five, which full exhibit.

Speaker 10 (09:08):
These items that you were wearing the night May fourteen
of twenty twenty two. Yes, it appears to the black shirt.
Does that appear to be inside out? Yeah, stays Exhibit
twenty six. Is that the same shirt but right side in?
And obviously the green sweatshirt is that yours?

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Yeah? I don't know who shoes those are.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Those are not your shoes.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Those are not my shoes.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Exhibit twenty seven.

Speaker 10 (09:36):
Closer off the picture of the shirt that you were
wearing that night, I.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
May approach the mines your owner. Right. You see this
defect in the shirt here?

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Is that about where your upper stab wound was?

Speaker 7 (09:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
And is obviously is this the front of the T shirt?

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Do you see this defect here?

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 10 (10:02):
Is that the uh there we've read about where you
receive your first stab wound?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yes, you repperd chest. Exhibit twenty eight. Closer version of
the T shirt. Again, is this the defect in the shirt?
Is this where one of the stab wounds was?

Speaker 10 (10:23):
Yes, Exhibit twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
This your sweatshirt with the defect in it from the stabum.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Approached the quick dreams I.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Approach the witness run of course, thank you right, I'm
showing you what's been Marcus. States Exhibit eighty three for
identification purposes? Do you recognize eighty three in?

Speaker 7 (10:47):
What is eighty three me in the hospital?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
And is that fair and accurate depiction of what you
are what you look like in the hospital the day afternoon?

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Showing you Marcus, it's exhibit eighty four for identification you
recognize States eighty four? And what is State's eighty four?

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Be with a wound to my head?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
And does this accurately reflect the wound to your head?
On May fifteenth or twenty twenty fifth?

Speaker 7 (11:12):
fIF does.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Start showing your state's eighty five? Do you recognize States
eighty five?

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
And what is States eighty five.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
The tube that had to be put in my chest?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
And does this accurately reflect what the tube look like
in your chest on May fifteen or twenty twenty two, yes,
showing you State's eighty six. Do you recognize eighty six?

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (11:34):
What is State's eighty six the tube that was coming
out of my chest and then that's where I got stabbed?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
And does this picture accurately reflect the upper wounded area
but covered on May fifteenth to twenty twenty fifth? Ye,
showing you State's eighty seven for identification purposes? Do you
recognize eighty seven?

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Yes? And what is State's eighty set my stab wound
to my upper chests?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
And does this picture accurately reflect what the womb looks
like maybe a day or two after the incident uncovered
by any any clause? Yes, showing your State's eighty eight
for identification purposes. Do you recognize States eighty eight?

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I do?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And what is states eighty eight?

Speaker 7 (12:15):
They are my stab wounds that I got to my
lower hip.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And does this accurately reflect what they look like covered
in the hospital a day after the incident? Yes, it does,
showing you State's eighty nine for identification purposes. Do you
recognize States eighty nine?

Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yes? I do?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And what is States eighty nine?

Speaker 7 (12:31):
My stab wound to my side?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And does this picture actually reflect when your wound look
like a few days after the incident? Yes, showing you
States ninety for identification purposes? Do you recognize States ninety
and what is States ninety by other seven to my leg?

Speaker 10 (12:48):
And does this picture accurately reflect what the area look
like covered in tended to in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
A day after the incident?

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yes, showing you.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
State's ninety one identification purposes. Do you recognize States eighty one?

Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (13:02):
I do?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
And what is States eighty one?

Speaker 7 (13:04):
My stab to my lower?

Speaker 9 (13:06):
Like?

Speaker 7 (13:07):
Fine?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Sorry? What counts on ninety one?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ninety one?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
That's okay, thank you?

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
And finally showing your States ninety two for identification purposes?
Do you recognize ninety two? Yes?

Speaker 8 (13:17):
I do?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
And what is ninety two?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
And does this accurately reflect what your wounds look like
a week or two after?

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
How is this picture taken reflecting in the mirror?

Speaker 7 (13:28):
No, it's the right sid Yeah, yeah, this is right?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So is this taken in a mirror?

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (13:36):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Does this accurately reflect what you look like when you
were taking this picture of your wounds in a mirror.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Ye, all right, I'll go off of these its full
exhibits at this time time subjection.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
All right, with no objection, the court will go ahead
and accept into evidences full exhibit States eighty three through
ninety two.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Thank you, right.

Speaker 10 (13:55):
I want to show your States eighty three that's now
been marked as a full exhibit.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Again, what is State's eighty three?

Speaker 7 (14:01):
Me and the hospital?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Now these injuries to you winked out you have it
looks like piers.

Speaker 10 (14:09):
You have injuries to your nose and your face area
in your head.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Were those injuries caused during the fight at forty three
Laurel G.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Line. No, those were at Lazybrook.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
So when you got into the initial fight at Lazybrook
with the defendant and his friends, that's that's when that happened. Yeah,
State's eighty four. This is injury here to the top
of your head. Just looks like the left side of
your head. Do you know when that injury had hurt?

Speaker 7 (14:38):
That's from Lazybrook as well.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's also from Lazybrook. Okay, State's eighty five. Can you
tell us where State's eighty five was from?

Speaker 7 (14:49):
That's the tube that had to be put in my chest.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Do you know why the tube had to be put
in your chest at the.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
Hospital to reinflate my lung State's eighty six.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
What are we looking at in State's eighty six?

Speaker 8 (15:00):
Uh So, the gauze is where I was stabbed, and
then that is part of the tube that was coming
out of my chest.

Speaker 10 (15:08):
And this, obviously, this is the left side of your chest, yes, sir,
And that's where is where you got.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Your injuries on my left side.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
State's eighty seven. Can you tell us what State's eighty
seven is?

Speaker 7 (15:22):
That would be my stab wound to my upper chest, and.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
This is the stab wound that that caused a collapse?
Long is State's eighty eight. Can you tell us what
we're looking at? In State's eighty eight?

Speaker 7 (15:35):
That is my stab wound to my hip you're around here? Yeah, right?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
And this is the tube.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
Yeah, that's the same tube.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
Okay, State's eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is this the same wound but uncovered?

Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yes, this is what a few days after Yeah.

Speaker 10 (15:58):
State's ninety What are we looking at here?

Speaker 8 (16:01):
This is what that would be my stab wound to
like my lower butt cheek, pretty.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Much like the hip area.

Speaker 11 (16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And again this tube that's running down is that where
is that coming from?

Speaker 8 (16:12):
That's the same tube that was in my chest ninety one?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Is this the same wound you just mentioned but uncovered
going your states nineteen two? So it appears to be
the right side of your body. But are these injuries
on the right side of your body?

Speaker 7 (16:34):
No, they're on my left side.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
So is this picture being taken in a mirror?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Okay, So this would be your upper left chest area
where the first stab wound was, second stab wound to
your lower abdomen area, yep, and then your third stab
wound would be on your left side of your hip.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
And when were these pictures taken?

Speaker 7 (16:51):
Do you know a couple of weeks after.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now, after you were at the hospital. Well, how long
did you stay in the hospital for you remember, I
was there for two nights and three days and you
were called what what you were diagnosed with?

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Collapsed lung? I believe I had a fracture in my
nose and some head trauma and I don't remember everything else.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And what was the what was the treatment that aside
from uh getting to the hospital and initially getting diagnosed,
What treatment did you.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
Have to go through.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
I couldn't get stitches because they didn't want my wounds
to get infected. So it was really cleaning them out
multiple times a day, uh, keeping fresh gauze on them
at all times, and just a lot of rest.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And what has your recovery been like?

Speaker 8 (17:55):
Physically they healed up, but mentally I've never been the
same person. I I can't stop thinking about that night,
like every single day, multiple times a day.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
I just think about that.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
Night and things that I could have done different, things
that anybody could have done different. And I just didn't
think things like this happened in the world.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
I I don't know. I didn't know there was people
like that out there that really wanted to cause harm.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
When you were at Laurel Glenn that night and those
individuals walked on the front lawn in the fight started,
did you anticipate the fight being a fistfight?

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Did you anticipate there ever being any weapons used?

Speaker 7 (18:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Did you have any weapons at Lazybrook that night?

Speaker 7 (18:51):
You?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Did you have any weapons with you at Laurel Glenn
that I know? Did ty would have any weapons on them?
Did anybody need or you did you recall anybody near
you when you were face to face with.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
The defendant having any weapons. No, you haven't. For the
questions or anythink, I thank you.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
M We go on. We have never met before, never
talked about this case. Before we go over with you
some of your testimony that you've given here. You told
us yesterday you thought you'd met with the States at
twenty three or four times prior to this to discuss
your testimony here, yes, you recall.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
That, mister.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I am going to ask you just to please keep
your voice up.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Okay, thank you, And when you're answering, you just have
to say either yes or no. The court reporter can't
get up on the record.

Speaker 7 (19:44):
Okay, all right, thank you.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
Okay, So let's review that evening. You told us that
Griffin Marson's it was a really good friend of yours
childhood basically right, Uh.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
No, I moved to Shelton.

Speaker 8 (20:01):
In the winter of when I was in eighth grade,
so right about when COVID started.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
I moved to Shelton.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
But Griffin was one of the first kids I met,
and I became very good friends with me.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Okay, so good friends since you moved to Shelton, Yes,
and you say that was in the eighth grade. And
at this time May fourteenth, twenty twenty two, you told
us that you were ending your sophomore year, so you
would have been a rising junior.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Yes, and you went.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
Over to a friend's house. Was that in Natalia Ridzi's house?

Speaker 7 (20:28):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
And you hung out there at Natalia's right, yep. He
told us that you had you were doing some drinking
there while you were hanging out, Yes, and that was
you had no more than two beers, no more than
two beers. How do you know no more than two?

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Because I know it was no more than two beers.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
What makes you so certain about that?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
No more than two because it was only two beers.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
And that was only in thirty to forty minutes of
being there that you had those two beers.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yes, power drinking that night? I'm sorry? Was that power drinking?
Was that that?

Speaker 6 (20:58):
Or is that a fairly regular The two beers in
a thirty to forty minute period, That's pretty normal. And
then you told us that you got invited over to
Austin Leifer's house.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Right, Yes. How did you know Austin? I met him
in eighth grade when I moved to Shelton.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
Also, when you moved to Shelton. Yes, did Austin go
to Shelton High School?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
No?

Speaker 7 (21:20):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Was Austin on the basketball group text chat?

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I don't recall.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
And Tanner Tronowski drove you to Austin's house? Right?

Speaker 7 (21:30):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (21:31):
How did Tanner Tronowski know to take you to Austin
Leifer's house?

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Me?

Speaker 7 (21:35):
And Griffin asked him?

Speaker 6 (21:37):
And who is Tanner Trenowski to you?

Speaker 8 (21:39):
Another guy that I met when I first moved to
Shelton and became a really good friend of mine.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
He happens to live not too far from me hang out.
Did you play football with Tanner?

Speaker 5 (21:51):
No?

Speaker 6 (21:51):
You played football with Griffin?

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (21:54):
Did you play in the sports with Tanner?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
No?

Speaker 6 (21:56):
He was a couple of years older than you.

Speaker 9 (21:57):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
Did Tanner Tronowski provide you with any of those beers
that even?

Speaker 5 (22:04):
No?

Speaker 6 (22:06):
And you said that he drove you over to five
Lazy Brook and that was somewhere between seven or eight
o'clock right, yes, And that you got there to the
house while it was still daylight. But by the time
you left, you would agree it was no longer daylight.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Right, it was like the evening time. Yes, Because we've.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Seen the video of the fight outside of five Lazy Brook,
and it appears to be pretty dark. Then are you
saying that at that point there was still some daylight.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Yes, there was still some daylight.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
And when you showed up, you heard music and noise
and you thought that was a party, so that you
walked into the garage ryes and at that point you
still only had the two beers. Yes, but you didn't
make it into the house.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yes, you just got into the garage. And how many
people were in the garage when you got in there.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
I don't think anybody was in there.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Nobody in the garage.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
No.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
So as you're going from the garage to the door
into the interior of the house, you see some people
coming out of the house, right, And in fact, you
came to learn that the party was being shut down
or something of that nature.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
Right, Not really that I just found out after the
fact that the people that were coming out that I
saw were happening to be getting kicked out at the time.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Okay, this wasn't your party, right, No, And so you
saw some people coming out of the house, but you
don't know why they were coming out of the house.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
No.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
In fact, some people thought you hadn't been invited to
the party, right, I'm not sure. Well, you were confronted
by some folks who said they didn't know what you
were doing there, right.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
Yeah, but the homeowner invited me and Griffin. Well, not
the homeowner, right, Austin owners home, does he? Right?

Speaker 6 (23:46):
And in fact Madigan was having.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
The party, right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Well, did you see a number of girls there that evening? Yes,
you caught a ride with some of those girls at
the end of the evening.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
Did you know that they were all members of the
cross team from that school?

Speaker 5 (24:01):
No?

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (24:06):
And you never saw Austin that night, right, No, because
he was outside throwing up and ill from drinking.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right, just about how many know sustained?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
So hold on, I'm gonna turn a smith, ladies and
gentlemen of the jury.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Court's going to strike the defendant, excuse me, the witness's
response to that particular question, and I'm going to ask
you to not consider the question. And you'll learn that
questions are not evidence. Okay, So the stricken response not evidence,
not to be considered. You'll hear more about stricken evidence
at the end of the evidence and the question obviously

(24:39):
is not to be considered evidence either.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
You didn't see Austin that night, right, And these three
folks that come out the door, you say that they
confronted you about coming there, prevented you from going inside, right, Yes,
And ultimately you claim that they didn't care about that, right,
What do you mean, Well, you said they didn't care

(25:03):
that you told them that you had been invited.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Yes, And mister.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Valley you told us, didn't say anything to you, right, No,
he was speaking to Griffin. It was mister Snyder who
was having this interaction with you, right, Yes, And you
saw him on that photo and identified him as wearing
that red hoodie that evening.

Speaker 9 (25:21):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
And in fact, you say that mister Snyder asked you
for a beer and you told him yes, sure, right,
you gave him a beer. Yes, And you said that
mister Valley asked you if he could have a beer
and you said yes, sure, yeah, and you gave him
a beer.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Right, Trying to be a peacemaker, you.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Gave both of them a beer that night.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yes, Griffin Marsinsic was right there when that happened. Yes,
were you blocking his view so that he couldn't see
you give the beers to these two.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
People, Griffin, Yes, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Do you recall where Griffin was.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
I believe he was right next to me.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
And that wasn't enough for mister Snider, right, he decided
he was going to grab those beers from you. Yes,
mister Valley didn't grab the beers from you. No, mister
de Silva, did you see him, Yes, he didn't say
anything to you. No, he didn't grab the beers from you. Ultimately,
Snyder grabs the beers from you. You said you were
trying to be cool and make some friends. Yes, and

(26:19):
at that point you got upset with Snyder, right. Yes,
he says, you weren't going to stand for this right. Yes,
you were upset at that point.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
I was. I wasn't going to get pushed out and bullied.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
You said, I'll fight you right now for this beer.

Speaker 9 (26:31):
Right.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yes, I didn't and you put your hands up to fight. Yes,
and you'll make it out into the driveway from the garage, right.
And we saw the video there, yes, And in that
video we see you and mister Snyder squared up right, yes,
and you're circling a little bit for position.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
It's a fight going on. You're not just standing there
toe to toe like we see some old school bare
knuckles boxers. Right, you're moving.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
Around, you're circling a little bit.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yes, you're bumping mister Valley. No, no, you don't bump
into mister vell. I do not bump into mister Valley.
Where was mister Valley?

Speaker 7 (27:05):
He was hiding behind me? Hiding behind you? You could
say that, yes, hiding behind what me? Just he was
behind me? I didn't just there behind you?

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Right, he wasn't hiding. Sure you were aware he was there? No,
you knew there was a circle of people around you watching, correct, Yes,
and you were circling for position. No, No, you were
just going to stand still and let mister Snyder come
towards you.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
I wouldn't really say it was circling, but it was
more of just like a little like get a better position.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
You could say that, yeah, right, you're not just going
to stand still and let somebody who you've just challenged
to a fight just come at you and start throwing blows.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Right.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
Well, in all honesty, that was my first fight ever
that night. I never had been in a fight before that,
so I very well could have been standing right there
I don't have a fighting background.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Okay, but you saw the video, Yes, you'd agree you
were moving a little bit. Yes, you weren't just standing there.
And you told us that mister Valley comes out and
the sucker punches you.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Right.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Yes, he didn't tackle you. No, he didn't throw any
more blows than that, correct.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
No.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
In fact, he moves away from you and gives more
space after this interaction.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Right, what interaction the.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
Interaction where you say he sucker punched you. Yeah, at
that point you come forward and you tackle mister Snyder, right, yes,
get him down on the ground. Right, you go off
the screen.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Right.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
We can't see the rest of that as you guys
are sort of behind a mini van and at that
point people come in and they're trying to break it up. Right, No,
not really, no, No, Well, did you see Emily Robinson
in that video coming in?

Speaker 7 (28:55):
I don't know who that is. Okay.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
Did you see any of the girls that were there
coming in?

Speaker 5 (29:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Did you hear any of them?

Speaker 7 (29:02):
No?

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Fair to say your attention was focused on mister Snyder. Yes,
and mister Valley he had this helmet on. Chris, he
had that helmet on the whole time, right. No, No,
you believe he took that helmet off.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
He did take that helmet off.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
You believe he took that helmet off.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
I see it in the video.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
In the video you.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
See him take the helmet off.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Yes, And what does he do with it? M he
smashes me in the back of the head with.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
It, and then what does he do with it?

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Hits me again in the back of the head with it.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
And then what does he do with it?

Speaker 11 (29:34):
Not sure?

Speaker 7 (29:36):
Does he put it back on? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
So it's your testimony, sir, that he takes the helmet
off of his head, swings it at.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
You and hits you with it twice.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yes, and then you're not sure if he puts it
back on or not.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
No.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
The video is over and.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
Ultimately somebody pulls you by the neck up off the ground.
You said, yes, so you would agree somebody was trying
to break this thing up. Yes, do you know who
it was?

Speaker 7 (30:00):
Pull job?

Speaker 6 (30:03):
And at that point you said, Mama, Lifer gave you
your beer back. Yes, and you guys took off right yep.
You and Griffin went down to the end of the
driveway and you got a ride from the girls that
we saw in the photograph later, right, And it appeared
that a number of the folks in there, including yourself,
were holding blue cans a bud light.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
Do you recall that? Yes?

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Would you agree that you were handing holding a blue
can of bud light?

Speaker 7 (30:31):
I believe I had the box in my hand.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Okay, A number of the girls were holding what appeared
to be blue cans a bud light.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Yeah, So y'all were drinking in the car on the
way back to where you went, which was back to
miss Ridzick's house. I don't recall if I was Okay,
there was drinking going on in the car.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
I'm sure you can see that at least. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Well, you gave them those bud lights, right, I don't
recall in any event, you got back to Natalia's house. Yes,
they dropped you off there. Yes, you do recall.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
That them dropping us off there? Yes, yes, And.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
You were there for about ten minutes before you got
picked up by Charlie Connery.

Speaker 12 (31:19):
Right.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yes, How did Charlie Connery know to come and pick
you up from Natalia Rid six?

Speaker 7 (31:23):
I don't know, you don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Well, you told us that about a week earlier, you'd
been added to the basketball group chat, right yes, and
that basketball group chat that included Griffin Marsensic, Right yes?

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Did that include Tanner Tronowski? I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
Didn't include sal Perry, I don't know, Michael sam Perry,
I don't know, didn't include Alex Bernston.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Did it include Tanner Tronowski, I don't know. You don't
know anybody that was included on this group chat that
you got added to.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
I didn't know anybody in that group chat other than
a few of my Shelton friends.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Oh okay, well which of your Shelton friends did you
know in that group?

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Just ones that weren't involved in any of anything, Like
who like Michael Kinnick for example?

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Okay, that's the only one of your friends that you
knew that was in that Yeah. How many people were
on that group chat?

Speaker 7 (32:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
Ten, I don't know, fifteen, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Twenty.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Objection as to the answer, don't.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Sustain A sustain You have no idea how many people
were on that basketball group chat that you told us
was about a lot of shit talking, right, Yeah, But
you don't know anybody that.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Was on it, No, sustained.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
And somehow Charlie Connery knew to come pick you up
at Natalia Ridsdicks and take you over to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 11 (32:43):
Right?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Had you had plans that night to go to Tyler
Rich's house?

Speaker 7 (32:46):
All right?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
And along the way you told Charlie Connery about what
had happened in five days book?

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Right, you already had known? How did he already know?
I don't know how we know?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Speculators sustained?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Again?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
All right, So, mister Hines, I'm going to ask you
to just pause in between the questions so counsel can
go forward with his objections to Once he objects, please
refrain from providing an answer. Okay, thank you so much.
And again direction to the jury. The last response should
be stricken from evidence.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
You say he already knew when he came to pick
you up about the fight at five Lazy Broke. Yes,
How did you know that he already knew?

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Because he asked me about it?

Speaker 6 (33:29):
He asked you about the fight, yes, five Lazy Broke,
And based upon that question you determined he already knew
about it?

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yes? Okay?

Speaker 6 (33:38):
And how long did it take you to get over
to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
Another ten minutes?

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Any drinking along the way, Not that.

Speaker 7 (33:54):
I recall him, though.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
And you told us yesterday that you weren't involved on
that group chat, right, No, But then you told us
today that, in fact, maybe you had sent a message,
just one message, right, Yes, what was that message?

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Saying that they were pussies for jumping me at the
Lifer household.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
And to come to forty three Laurel Glenn Drive.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Right.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
No, you didn't send out the address. No, but somebody did,
didn't they?

Speaker 7 (34:21):
I believe?

Speaker 6 (34:21):
So, yes, on that group chat, right I would assume. So, yes,
Well you wouldn't assume though you told us you were
aware of that group chat. It was going off and
it was buzzing in your pocket when you told us yesterday,
right yes, And you would look at it from time
to time and just say, oh, that's nothing. I'm not
worried about that, right, Yes, except today you told us,
in fact, no, you had been involved. You would agree.

(34:41):
That's different than just looking at it and ignoring it.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
Right.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
This is before, like I was at the richest house,
I was not sending any text. This was all like
before I even got picked up by Charlie.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
Do you recall speaking to office on May fifteenth, at
about noon when you were at Saint Bencent's Hospital slightly?
Officers Millington and Nugent came in and they talked to
you while you're there, right, yes, and you told them
that your friends and you had reached out to the
kids who jumped you and told them to come to
Tyler Rich's house at forty three Laurel Glen Drive, now

(35:20):
that you had your friends.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
With you, right. I don't recall that. You don't recall that? No?

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Do you, generally, in your everyday speaking say that you
don't recall something?

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Objection argument sustained.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
Do you recall speaking to detectives on June ninth, around
three point thirty with your parents at your home? Detectives
and Nai and Bengo.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
Somewhat? Yes?

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Do you recall telling them that someone from the Shelton
High School group texted the Saint Joe's kids and challenged
them to show up at forty three Laurel Glen Drive.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
I do recall that, Yes, you do recall that.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Yes, So again, it's not that you were just feeling
your phone buzz and thinking gosh, I don't want to
pay attention to this. I don't have any idea what's
going on. You were aware of what was happening, right, No? Well,
how were you not aware of what was happening?

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Because I wasn't reading the text messages? I just saw
the notifications.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
But you texted on that same group chat, right, it
was previously ours?

Speaker 7 (36:19):
Previously, Yeah, hours.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
Previously you told these kids that they were pussy's. Correct
on this group chat?

Speaker 7 (36:28):
Correct? What time was that? Around like eight or nine o'clock?

Speaker 6 (36:36):
So at least around eight or nine o'clock you knew
that you could use that basketball group chat to text
with these Saint Joe's kids. Yes, sir, would it surprise
you if you learned that those kids weren't added to
that group chat until after five? Lazy Brooke, I'm not

(37:03):
sure what do you mean by that. You're telling us
that you texted these kids using this basketball group chat
between eight to nine o'clock, right, leave, So, yes, told
them that they were pussies, right, Yes, but you didn't
tell them to come to forty three log Glen Drive
because now you had your friends with you.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
I did not tell them that.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
No, you didn't tell them that I did not or
you don't recall time did not.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
Tell them that?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Now?

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Did somebody tell them that? I'm sure you know somebody
told them that.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
Right.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
You were part of that group chat. You had to
open it up and text on that group chat, right.

Speaker 13 (37:37):
Objects speculation, So you would agree that when you texted
on that group chat, you would have to open it up.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
You couldn't just look at the notification.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Right, No, you can just look at the notification in
order to text something back. I wasn't texting anything back.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
You were texting on that group chat right forehand. And
in order to text on the group chat, you had
to open the.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Group chat, right, Yes.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
And you were with Griffin Marsinsic, right, yes, And you
could see where Griffin Marsinsic was right when when he
was with you in the car, Yes, when he was
with you at the Ridzick house, Yes, when he was
with you, when Charlie Connery came to pick you up, Yes,
you were side by side most of the time.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Right.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
No, not in the car? No, Where was Griffin in
the car?

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Which car? Well?

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Where was Griffin in Charlie Connery's car? I don't know
where were.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
You in the back seat.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
You couldn't see Griffin texting. No, did you see him
with his phone out?

Speaker 7 (38:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Did you see him with his phone open?

Speaker 7 (38:51):
I don't know. You don't know.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
You think he just had his phone out in his hand,
but you saw that, but you don't know if it
was open or not.

Speaker 7 (38:57):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
No, what'd you see him doing with the phone when
you saw him with it?

Speaker 7 (39:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
What we're all talking about on the way there, just
what had.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
Happened with Charlie, like in Charlie's car.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yes, yeah, So it's you, Charlie and Griffin in the car,
right yes, And you guys are talking about what happened
at five laser.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Broke injection has then answer yes.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
And you're talking about what is going to happen next
when you get to Tyler Rich's house, right no. And
there's no talk about payback or anything like that, right no.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
And so.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
There's this basketball group chat that you've now told us
you actually did participate in on which there's a lot
of shit talking. But nothing's going on like that on
the way to the house in Charlie Economy's car, Right No.
You guys are just calm, cool, collected. Yes, not excited. No,

(40:11):
not angry about what happened. No, nobody's saying, hey, we
should text these kids and get them to.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
Come over here. I was not known.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
You weren't. I was not was Griffin.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Injection that calls for yours as.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Sustain And you told us yesterday.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Then when you got to Tyler Rich's house, everybody already
knew about what had happened at five Lazy Brooke, right, Yes,
how many people were there when you got to the.

Speaker 7 (40:36):
House, twenty or thirty?

Speaker 6 (40:39):
You told us yesterday. You didn't really care though, right, No,
you didn't really care. Why did you text these guys
and tell them that they were pussies?

Speaker 7 (40:49):
Because I had been jumped? So you did care I'd
been jumped. You did care, not really, No, not.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Really didn't angry, You didn't upset, You didn't make you
want payback. No, you went to school with Tyler Rich. Yes,
you played football with Tyler Rich. Yes, he was a
couple of years older than you. Yes, and he was
the captain of football team for one year while you
were there. Yes, you'd been to his house before. Yes,

(41:20):
you knew to go in through the Bilco doors on
the side, right, Yes, you knew when you got there
that there was going to be some drinking going on.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yes, and you.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Said that people were coming up to you and questioning you,
and they already knew about what had happened, right, Yes,
who came up to you and questioned.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
You about it?

Speaker 6 (41:37):
I don't recall well you told us yesterday. Jimmy McGrath
was one of the first ones to come.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
Up to you, right. He was one of the people
that think come up to me.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
And he came up to you and asked you about
what happened in five Laserbrook, right, And he was interested
in what had happened to five Laserbrook right.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I think that calls for speculation sustained.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Did his demeanor and his questioning indicate to you that
he was interested in what happened at five Lazy Brook.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Did it indicate to you that he was concerned about
what had happened to five Lazy Broke, No, he wasn't concerned.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
No, he just wanted to hear what happened.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
So it didn't indicate to you that he was excited
in any way about it. No, didn't indicate in any
way that he was upset about it. No, didn't indicate
in any way to you that he was angry about it.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
No, it's just.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Calm, cool, collected. First thing he asked you.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
Was, Hey, what happened to five Lazy Broke? Pretty much
all that.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Do you remember anybody other than Jimmy McGrath coming up
to you and asking you about it? No, but everybody
there already knew you told us, right, Yes, so you
would agree that it was more than just Jimmy McGrath
that came up to you and asked you about it, right, certainly, Yes,
And in fact, there was some conversation that occurred right
with everybody that was there yesterday, conversation hanging out, people drinking. Yes,

(42:53):
and one of the main topics of conversation was what
had happened to you at five Lazy Broke. Yes, he
told us you only drank one beer at that time, right, Yes,
How do you know it was only one beer?

Speaker 7 (43:05):
Because it was only one beer?

Speaker 6 (43:06):
You recall that, Yes, And people were planning to reach
out to these kids and ask them to come over
to forty three Laurel Glen Drive.

Speaker 9 (43:18):
Right.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
I believe so you know so, right, because your phone's
buzzing and going off and people are talking about it,
and there's talk about getting these kids over there, isn't there?

Speaker 7 (43:32):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
And at one point Griffin Marsonzic texts the address and
a picture of forty three Laurel Glen drive on this
group chat to these kids.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Correct, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
And then he told us at some point a car
shows up outside, right, yes, and that car is a
Honda Pilot, right yes, And nobody was surprised by that,
were they not?

Speaker 7 (44:00):
That I'm aware of.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
No, they knew that car was going to show up.
They texted it to come there, right injections. And so
because nobody is surprised, everybody empties out of the house
to go confront the car, right, No, how many people
emptied out of the house to go confront the car?

Speaker 7 (44:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
Well, you told us yesterday that at least ten to
fifteen approached the vehicle, right, yes, But that's not everybody. No,
that's about half.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
Of you, isn't it Somewhat? Yes?

Speaker 6 (44:27):
And you could be wrong about ten to fifteen. You
would agree, Yeah, could have been more, could have been.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Twenty, could have been less.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
Could it have been more?

Speaker 7 (44:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
And you told us yesterday that the car parked right
in front of the drive right.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
No, it was not exactly right in front of the driveway,
but it was a little farther back. It was about
halfway in front of the driveway.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
Okay, mister Hines, I'm just gonna come around you. I
don't want to surprise you, but I'm gonna come around
for zill the easel behind you Exhibit number fifty two,
States Exhibit number fifty two.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
The no, yeah, there.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
I try not to drop it today, And if you would,
can you show us where that vehicle parked when it
showed up that first time.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
It's not in that frame.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
It's not in that frame. No, So it's not that
close to the driveway.

Speaker 14 (45:32):
It was back here, Okay, over here, all right, we
are going to use States Exhibit forty nine.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It's all good. Thanks guy. Can you see States exhibit
on your screen?

Speaker 9 (45:52):
There?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Ye looking at that. Do you see the driveway in front.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
Of forty three Lower Glen, Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Do you see the what looks.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Like some sort of pathway down to the house across
the street?

Speaker 7 (46:05):
And do you see the corner.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Of the intersection of Atoms and Laurel Glenn Drive, And
do you see what appears to be a sewer drainage.

Speaker 7 (46:18):
Great there, And do.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
You see across the street on the other side of
Laurel Glenn from forty three sort of area of large
trees there. Now that we've oriented ourselves, can you describe
for us where that vehicle parked when.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
It first more near the bushes across the street.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
More near these, would you agree maybe these are trees
given their apparent height, So you think that the vehicle
parked more near trees on the opposite of Laurel Glenn
drive Yeah, and so in relation to the driveway, you
would agree that that is not near the driveway. It

(47:02):
was like that general area somewhere over there, closer to
the curb on that side of the street.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
No, they were in the middle of the road there,
in the middle of the road.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yes, there were other cars parked up and down the.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
Street as well. Correct, Yes, All right.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
So now we've got the vehicle out there, and you
told us that ten to fifteen of you approached the vehicle, correct, Yes,
And in fact, when you got right next to the vehicle,
you didn't talk to anyone, right, No, but you noticed

(47:39):
that in fact, these were the kids that had been
told on the basketball group chat to come to forty
three Lower Glen Drive.

Speaker 7 (47:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Objections sustained.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
You noticed that these were mister Snyder, mister de Silva,
and mister Valley in the car, you told us, right, Yes,
those were the kids from five Lazy Broke correct. Yes,
and these were therefore the kids that had been told
to come to forty three Lower Glenn Drive.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Action sustained.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
Again, it didn't surprise you that those kids had showed up, right.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
I don't remember if you don't remember whether or not.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
You were surprised that they showed up. No, then you
just tell us moments ago that you weren't surprised. And
the car was facing towards Farmhouse Lane. Correct, that's at
the other end of the street, right, that is.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
At the other end of the street.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Yes, and you noticed the three that I just mentioned,
as well as McKenzie trafficanty.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Yes. How did you know Mackenzie? I just knew who
she was from social media?

Speaker 6 (48:48):
And you said the ten or fifteen of you approached
the vehicle and someone had a conversation, right, Yes, And
you were standing right beside the vehicle, correct, Yes, And
you were on the driver's side the vehicle. Correct.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
Yeah, I was kind of going back and forth.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
When you say back and forth, back and forth between
what two points.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
Like the driver's side and the passenger side.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
So you were going back and forth around the vehicle
from one side to the other, behind the vehicle or
in front of the vehicle. Was anybody else going back
and forth with you?

Speaker 7 (49:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
Who else was there at the vehicle with you.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
You don't know any of the other people that were
at the vehicle with you. No, did you see Tyler
Rich there? Did you see face on tile there? Did
you see Michael sam Perry there? Did you see sal
Perry there? Did you see Alex Bernston there? Did you
see Matthew Lokovich there? Did you see Tanner Chanowski there?
You didn't see Tyler Rich there? No, So there were

(49:50):
ten or fifteen of you there, and these were all
friends that you'd had and played football with at least
since the eighth grade. Yes, but you can't tell who
was there with you at the car. You heard voices? Yes,
whose voices did you hear?

Speaker 15 (50:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
You said you heard someone having a conversation?

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Who was that that was having the conversation.

Speaker 11 (50:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
Well, you said that initially that conversation was normal, right.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
When you say normal, what do you mean by normal.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
Conversation like the one me and you were having right now?

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Okay, So it was just a questioning back and forth.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
Hey, how you doing? Yes? Okay?

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Do you remember any mention of McDonald's. No, no, you
didn't think this was an uber that had showed up
to deliver something right.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
Now, And.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
You can't tell us who was having this conversation, But
it seemed to be a normal conversation.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
Is that fair to I? Yes?

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Right? And then you said then it became aggressive, right, Yes,
it didn't just get aggressive, right, What do you mean
by that? Somebody did something for it to become aggressive,
for it to change.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
Right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Okay, did you see Tyler Rich reach inside the front
driver's side window? Did you see Tyler Rich put his
body halfway into the front driver's side window?

Speaker 16 (51:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Did you see Aiden king at the car?

Speaker 6 (51:35):
And then you told us that cans started getting thrown
at the car, right? Yes, again, sir, they didn't just
start getting thrown right, yes, No, somebody threw something, right,
They threw a can?

Speaker 7 (51:54):
Yes, yes, it.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Didn't just start from nothing, right, I don't know. You
described it as cans just started getting thrown at the car.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
From what I was aware of this, that's what it
had happened.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
But then you told us that you threw a can
at the car, So it didn't just start getting thrown
You threw a can at the car.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
I didn't start throwing the cans.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Okay, you joined in of the throwing of the cans.
You would agree that it was other people, not some
anonymous entity, that was throwing cans at the vehicle, right, yes?
And those people that were throwing cans at the vehicle
were aggressive. Would you agree.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
They were aggressive?

Speaker 6 (52:34):
You said, yes, sure, that's an aggressive act.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Right yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
What would you expect the response to be to a
can being thrown.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Stained?

Speaker 6 (52:49):
What did you intend to happen when you threw the
can at the car?

Speaker 7 (52:54):
For my can to hit the car?

Speaker 6 (52:55):
You wanted those kids to get out of the car, right, No,
you heard somebody's say leave or get out? No, you
didn't want them to get out of the car.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
I didn't hear them say that, or I didn't want
them to get out of the car. I didn't care
if they got out of the car.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
You didn't want them to get out of the car.
You didn't care if they got out of the car.
So why'd you throw the can.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
At the car? I just want to throw the can
at the car?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Is that a normal thing for you to want to do?

Speaker 7 (53:24):
No?

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Why did you want to throw a can at that car?

Speaker 7 (53:27):
I just saw other people doing it?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Do you generally just do what you see other people doing,
even if it's criminal. No, But in this instance, something
about the occasion made you want to do that.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (53:46):
What was it about the occasion that made.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
You want to do that? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Okay, In any event, you threw a can and you
hit the car, and other people were throwing cans too, right, Yes,
where you still circ went around the vehicle while you
did this.

Speaker 9 (54:01):
No?

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Where were you now? I was on the passenger side,
on the passenger side. Yes, Who did you see on
the passenger side?

Speaker 7 (54:09):
I don't remember. How many other.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
People were on the passenger side with you?

Speaker 7 (54:14):
Maybe five?

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Five people on the passenger side. Maybe how many people
were on the driver's side.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
More people were on the other side.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Right, don't sustained?

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Could you see other people on the other side. Yes,
So there were other people on the other side, Yes,
you just don't know how many. No, or you know,
but you won't tell us.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
I don't know how many.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
You never saw Tyler rich on the driver's side of
the vehicle. No, you saw in the picture yesterday of
the vehicle that had a defect in the windshield, right, Yes,
did you see that when you were on the passenger side. No,
you saw it in that video in that picture, though,
didn't you.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Did you hear glass shatter?

Speaker 7 (54:59):
No?

Speaker 6 (55:02):
And you didn't see anybody throw anything from that vehicle,
did you.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Not?

Speaker 7 (55:09):
That I recall them.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
You didn't see anybody put their hands on the vehicle. No,
you didn't see anybody kicked the vehicle. No, you didn't
see anybody.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Rock the vehicle. No.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
But at some point you said, the car pulled away
and started driving back and forth really fast, right, Yes,
but they weren't throwing anything out the windows.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
No.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
And at that point you were in the driveway, you
told us, yes.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
And who else was in the driveway with you? I
don't remember.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Were there other.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
People in the driveway with you?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
I'm sure there was was face on teal in the driveway.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
I don't know. Was Tyler Rich in the driveway? I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
Can you tell us anybody who was in the driveway
with you?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
No?

Speaker 6 (55:59):
But you told us you were talking to the person
that was next to you.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Right, Yes, who was that? I don't know, okay.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
And you said, at some point, you do remember that
the car stopped at the corner in your farmhouse lane
in Long Glen drive right.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Where were you standing at that point.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
When it stopped? Yes, I believe I was in the driveway.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
So and you told us that you did remember that
Tyler Rich at that point was running down the street
after the car.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Right, Yes, Where had he been before he was running
down the street after the car? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (56:41):
But you remember that he was running down the street
after the car.

Speaker 11 (56:44):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Was anybody else with him?

Speaker 7 (56:48):
There were some people? I don't know where they were though.

Speaker 6 (56:50):
How many?

Speaker 7 (56:53):
Two or three? Two or three?

Speaker 6 (56:55):
And you told us that you walked halfway down there
by yourself, right. Yes, you weren't with Tyler Rich. No,
you weren't with Aaison Tille. No, you weren't with Enriqui Fiola.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
No.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
And you said you were by the trees on the
left hand side of Laurel glen by pine trees just
past forty three Laurel and Draft. You remember telling us
that yesterday?

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Yeah, like where the shade is in the picture.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
But you weren't close enough to see what was going on?

Speaker 7 (57:27):
You told us No, So.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
At that point you couldn't see Tyler Rich anymore. No,
at that point you couldn't see Faisontio. No, you couldn't
see Enrico Fiola. No, could you see Charlie Conny?

Speaker 5 (57:41):
No?

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Did you see mister Valley? No, you didn't see mister
Valley emerge from the bushes on the other side.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
No.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Did you see anybody throwing anything at that point?

Speaker 5 (57:56):
No?

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Did you hear anybody saying anything at that point?

Speaker 9 (57:59):
No?

Speaker 7 (58:03):
Where was the vehicle? Now? Saw at the end of
the road.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Still at the end of road, So you could see
the vehicle? What was it doing parked with the doors opened? Yes,
so you could see that the.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
Doors were open? Yes?

Speaker 6 (58:15):
And did you see anybody come out.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Of the car? I believe so, yes, Oh you did?
Who I don't know?

Speaker 6 (58:24):
And where was Tyler Rich at that point?

Speaker 7 (58:26):
Leave down at the car?

Speaker 6 (58:30):
And so do you recall telling officers on June ninth
when you spoke to them at your home that in fact, you,
Enrico Fiola and Tyler rich approached and told them to leave. No,
I don't You don't recall telling that. No, did you
tell him that?

Speaker 7 (58:45):
I don't recall saying that.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
You're telling us now that you only walked halfway down there, right, Yes,
and you weren't close enough to see what was going on. No,
But you told us yesterday that people appeared to be talking. Yes,
what was it about their appearance that led you to
believe they were talking?

Speaker 7 (59:04):
Pick? Hand gestures stuff like that just looked like they
were having.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
A conversation, civil conversation, Yes, hand gestures like what.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
Just normal hand gestures that you would say while you're
having a conversation.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
Didn't appear to be aggressive to you at that point. No,
you didn't throw anything down there at that point. No,
you were done throwing things. Yes, And you weren't upset
anymore at that point.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
No.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
And you watched that for thirty seconds before you went
back to the house, correct, Yes, through the bill Coo doors, correct, Yes,
back inside to Tyler Riches.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
Yes, and you said when you got.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
Back there, everyone seemed to be in there then, right, Yes,
did they pass you the group of folks that you
had seen down at the end of farmhouse Lane. No,
how did everyone get back in before you got back
into the.

Speaker 8 (59:56):
Basement, because I was halfway down the street and not
that many people walked there. Everybody just went inside.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Did you see Tyler rich inside?

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
Did you see face on Teal inside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Did you see Matthew Locke vision inside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Did you see Alex Bernston inside?

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Did you see South Perry inside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Did you see Michael Sanperry inside?

Speaker 9 (01:00:18):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
Did you see Charlie Connery inside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
Did you see Tommy Connery inside?

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
Did you see ty Wood inside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
Who did you see inside? I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
But everyone seemed to be in there?

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
And did they all seem to be calm?

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Did they seem to be agitated in any way? I
don't remember what were they doing?

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
I remember. I just remember being in there and there
was people in there.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
So before, when everybody was in there and nobody had
even arrived, everybody was interested in what had happened at Lazybroke,
You agree, yes, But now after all of this commotion,
everybody's back in the basement and you're telling us that
nothing was going on. It was all just business as usual.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Was there any drinking going on?

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
I don't know. And then you said.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
You heard they're back, right, Yes, who.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
Said they're back? I don't know whose voice was it.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
Was it just one person?

Speaker 7 (01:01:27):
Believe so?

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
And how did they say they're back?

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
They're back? Just like that? Yeah, they're in the front yard.
They're back, just like that, just like Oh, they're in
the front yard.

Speaker 11 (01:01:38):
They're back.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Not excited or agitated in any way.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
No, not, they're in the yard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Let's go, they're back.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
No, no, no, because you said instantly you were like,
I wanna go.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
See what it is, right, Yeah, what did you think
it was going to be? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
You just were curious about what might be going on. Yes,
so you decided I'm gonna go out and just see
what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Did you walk leisurely back to the front yard, Yes,
I did.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
Didn't run.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
No, but you told the state's attorney that you were
anticipating a fight in the front yard, right, No, he
said you anticipated a fist fight when you talked to him. No,
you don't recall telling him before that you anticipated a
fist fight when he was asking you about whether or
not there were weapons. No, were you anticipating a fist fight? Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
I really wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
So the truth of the matter is when you walked
out there, Yes, you were anticipating a fight because you
wanted payback for five lazy brooke right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
No, I just walked out there to see who was
out there.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Well, you'd heard their back, right, Yes, that's what drew
your attention to going out there, right. Yes, you thought
their back meant you were going to see the kids
in the pilot again, right, likely, Yes, the kids that
you had thrown the cannet before, right, Yeah, But you
didn't want payback. No, you weren't anticipating a fight. No,
you didn't think. Man, I've got twenty of my buddies

(01:03:11):
from the Shelton High football team here. We got pretty
good odds on our side. No, you were just curious.

Speaker 11 (01:03:19):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
He told us that you walked into the yard and
you were somewhere behind the red bush, right, yes, and
you saw well. First off, when you were somewhere behind
the red bush, did you see Tommy Connery? No, he
wasn't in that area with.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
Two No, I remember I was one of the first
people that walked outside.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
You were one of the first people that walked outside. Yes,
when you walked outside, did you see face on teal?

Speaker 9 (01:03:41):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
Did you see Tyler Rich?

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
Who did you see when you walked outside?

Speaker 9 (01:03:45):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
The defendant in the silva, that's it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
Yes, So you were the first one outside. Oh, yes,
Well who else was out there with you?

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
I don't know. Well, how do you know you were
one of.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
Because I can remember I never made it like I
was inside the basement, but I never like left the
area of like where the stairs were like to lead
back outside through the corridors. So when somebody said they're here,
I was already right there, right by the stairs. So
I was one of the first person that stepped up
the stairs walked outside.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
I thought you told us before that you had gotten
back went inside his house and you're in the basement
and everyone seemed to be in there.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
Yeah, they were all in there, and I was one
of the last people in there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
So now you're saying you didn't get into the basement
you were still on the stairs.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
No, I was in there. I was just next to
the stairs, like at the bottom of the steps.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
You can say the person who said they're back.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
Were they inside or outside? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
And you came back up the stairs and you went
and you stood behind the red bush and you just
saw these two people in the yard.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Do you see the exhibit behind you?

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
Sirt?

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Do you still have the pointer with the little red
tip on it?

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
I do? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Can you show us where you saw the two.

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
Individuals U right about in this area? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
So they're backed by the red bush, yes, okay, beside
the black truck. Yeah, in front of the cement square
right there are Do they look like they were coming
into the house.

Speaker 10 (01:05:19):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
That's the same path that people take to get to
the Bilco doors, right, Yes, what was where was mister
d Silva?

Speaker 16 (01:05:32):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
He was behind the defendant?

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Behind the defendant? Yes, could you see him?

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
So was he behind and to the side or directly
behind him?

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
Behind and to the side which side my right side?

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
So you're facing the streets. So mister Silva is on
the side by the what we've described before as Belgian
blocks there that go along the side of the driveway.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
And where was mister Valley.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
In front of him?

Speaker 8 (01:06:02):
And in like more like this area up here a
little more.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
Okay, it's up close to the tree line. Yeah, And
you were one of the first ones out. You told us, yes,
And you didn't see anything in mister de Silpha's hands. No,
didn't see anything in mister Valley's hands. No, he didn't
have a knife out that he was flashing around and saying,
who wants some?

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
In fact, he wasn't talking to you, right, who mister
Valley about? Well, he wasn't talking to you. He was
asking where's Aiden King? You told us, well, he was
talking to me, asking me where Aiden King was? You
thought he was asking you where Aiden King?

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
Do you know Aiden King?

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
How do you know Aiden King?

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
He played football with him?

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Do you know if he knows mister Valley how sustain?
And you said that you interacted with them, right, yes,
And what did that interaction involve?

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
The defendant walked up with like his shirt up over
his head, like trying to hide his face almost, and
he was saying, where's Aiden King? Where's Aiden King? Where's
Aiden King? Just repeatedly over and over again.

Speaker 8 (01:07:12):
And by this time it was me Tywood and Nikki
to Jesus, all next to each other, and we're like,
don't worry about it, Like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Where he is.

Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
And I pulled the shirt off of his head, and
I was questioning him, saying, like, what are you doing
with that on your head? Why are you wearing a
shirt on your head?

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Look, you reached out and you put hands on mister Valley.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
No, I just kind of went like that because he
had his shirt up on his head, so I just
pulled it down.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
Shirt was on his head. Yes, you reached out and
touched the shirt. Yes, but that's not you putting hands
on mister Valley, not in a physical win. You thought
you were straightening his shirt out for him, making sure
he looked.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
Okay, I mean you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
Didn't tell him Aiden, I don't know where he is.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I did say that, Oh you did. I don't
know where Aiden is.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
I thought you told him, don't worry about it. I'm
right here pretty much. Yes, So that's not I don't
know where Aiden.

Speaker 7 (01:08:13):
Is, right, I said all of it. Yes, he said.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
I'm right here. I believe so, Yes, indicating to him
that you were the person he needed to deal with, right.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
No, I was just the person in front.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
Of him, the tip of the spear, so to speak.

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Well, you were the first one that was confronting him, right, yeah,
And you told us that at this point, you know
that you had been joined by at least two others
that you've identified to us, right, Yes, and that was
ty Wood?

Speaker 11 (01:08:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
And who is the other person?

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
Nikodi?

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Jesus, can you show us on that exhibit behind you
there where they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Were right next to me?

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Yes, right in this area?

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Okay, And there's now three of you at least?

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Was there anybody else out there?

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
Not that I know of?

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
No, So you think it was just the three of
you and mister Valley. You weren't aware that other people
had started to come out of the house.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
Could you hear other people?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
What was mister de Silva doing?

Speaker 7 (01:09:21):
I don't know. He was kind of just standing behind
into the right.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
I wasn't really paying an attention to him, Like after
I took off the defending shirt off of his head,
I was really just locked in sharing him right in
the eyes. I wasn't worried about mister DeSilva.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
You were staring him right in the eyes, and you
say he had his own shirt up over his head
before you reached out and pulled it down. Were you
standing in such a way that you were blocking anybody
else's view from seeing mister Valley. He said after you
pulled his shirt off of his head that he got

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crazy and started freaking out right. Yes, became very argumentative.
Asked you, why did you take his shirt off his head?

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
Yes? Asked you, what are you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Doing touch in me? No, he took a swing at you. Who,
mister Vallet No, no, No, you didn't see him take
a swing or flinch.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
Oh, he was flinching the whole time.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
He was flinching the whole time. Yeah, because there were,
by your account, three people that were facing him.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Did you become aware at some point that there were
more than just three of you out there?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
You never became aware that there was more than three of.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
You out there.

Speaker 8 (01:10:39):
Well after I had gotten up from the altercation I
had with the defendant.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
You said that at least you, Nikki, did Jesus and
ty Wood are talking shit back and forth? Right, Yes,
and that lasted, you said, for thirty to forty five seconds. Probably, yes,
And you were challenging him to fight right. No, what
were you saying just talking shit, and that ship talk

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didn't involve any challenge to fight.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
No, that's not like, No, that's not at all. None
of us really were saying that at all. Nobody was saying.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
The ship talks just involved what insulting his clothing?

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
I could say that, Yes, mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
Did you ever feel anybody push against you from behind?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
But out of nowhere, Tyler Rich punches mister Valley in
the face. Right, Yes, Where did Tyler Rich come from?

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
You don't know, So at that point you would agree
it's not just three of you, it's at least now
four of you that are fighting with mister Valley.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Well, there's you, right, there's Tye Wood right.

Speaker 8 (01:11:59):
Well, I don't know if you Well, he was right
there with you, doesn't mean he was fighting.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Okay, fair enough, Nikki, did Jesus was right there with you? Yes,
and now Tyler Rich was right there with you as well.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
No, he just came out of nowhere and punched him
in the face.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
You would agree he at least was now fighting mister Valley, right,
Not that I don't know. Well, you would at least
agree that he punched him in the face out of nowhere,
and so the three of you, ty Wood, yourself, Nikki

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to Jesus, you were distracting mister Valley so that ty
Rich could punch him in the face.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
No, But after Tyler Rich punched him in the face,
you backed off right and you were like, oh, Tyler
Rich has got this.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
No, you went forward, You got on top of mister Valley,
and you told us that you punched him at least
twice in the right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
In fact, people crowded forward at that point.

Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
I'm not sure, you're not sure. I just know of
my actions.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
And your actions at least were that you punched him
twice in the face, right, Yes, while he's down on
the ground. Right, Yes, you're over top of him, right, Yes,
you've got control of him right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
No, you don't have a handful of shirt in one
hand and punch in the other. But you would agree,
or at least over top of him, yes, delivering these
two blows, Yes, only two blows.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Nobody else has joined you in this attack, not that
I know of. No, and the crowd didn't push forward.

Speaker 7 (01:13:38):
I don't know what the crowd did.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
The crowd didn't swarm around I don't know. You heard screaming, yeah,
you heard yelling, Yeah, you heard somebody say yes, sir, No,
you saw it in the video at least.

Speaker 9 (01:13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
I was tan Trenowski, yes, filming this right.

Speaker 8 (01:14:04):
Not the not the beginning of the fight. Now he
got the end of the fight.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
The video that we see. That was Tanner Treernowski who
recorded it, right, yeah, And he was recording that and
yelling yes sir, right yeah, and that was sort of celebratory, right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Objection sustained.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
You described to us that while you were on top
of mister Valley punching him, his shoulder and his bicep
were held back.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
It seemed like, yeah, what was holding it back? I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
And you could see his fist right yes. And at
some point you got off of him and walked away,
right yeah, after you felt a stick, right yes. And
you said he wasn't trying to hit you in a
certain spot.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
No, he was just like I just seen his fists
like this, just going like this repeatedly.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Over and over again, flailing wildly.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
And your injuries, sir, start sort of at the middle
of your body and make their.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Way down into the backside.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
Right where was Tommy Connery at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
Didn't see Tommy Gunnery. Did you see other people punching
or kicking mister Valley. No, it was just the two
of you isolated. Yes, And you told us that after
you got off of him, you realized that Tyler di
Silva was in a fight, right yes, And that he
was fighting with his own group of people, right yes.

(01:15:44):
And how many people were fighting with.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
Him looked like two or three?

Speaker 11 (01:15:47):
Two or three.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
You did not engage with Tyler disil Right.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
No, I did not.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
You didn't throw any punches or throw any kicks at
Tyler Disilver. No, the fight took a minute round that
yet could have been more, maybe two or three minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
No, it was probably less, probably.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
Less less than a minute. He said, You only watched
the fight with Tyler d Silva, But you agree that
other people were throwing punches and blows at mister dis Sola.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
Yes, Tommy Connory didn't come over and get involved and
throw some blows at mister Valley, not that I'm aware of. No,
didn't jump in the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
And separate you. I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Did you see Charlie Connory?

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
And it was when you heard he's got a knife
that ty Wood pointed out to you that you were
bleeding right, Yes, and where was ty Wood at that point?

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
He was like right next to me, And where were
you right next to him?

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
And could you show us where that was on the
exhibit behind you? Okay, So by that point you had
moved away from where you were originally when.

Speaker 7 (01:16:59):
You started with mister Valley.

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
Correct. In fact, when this original interaction or confrontation occurs,
it was where you've described as being by the red bush,
over by the tree line and the black truck. Right,
How did you get from there over to by the
tree where you've just pointed to I walked the fight
itself with mister Valley. You say, all occurred over where

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the initial confrontation took place.

Speaker 9 (01:17:25):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
And when you say you saw the defendants fist clenched
with something in it that you now believe was a knife,
that was his right hand. Correct, Yeah, it's his right
you told us when this started, it was just the

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three of you, mister de Jesus, yourself and mister Wood
facing mister Valley.

Speaker 7 (01:17:56):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
At some point mister Rich come over and joins the
three of you and throws this first punch. Correct, mister
Valley hadn't thrown any punches at that point, hadn't shown
you a knife at that point, hadn't threatened you at
that point. And you would agree, would you not, that
at least in the video, there are well more than

(01:18:21):
three kids involved with fighting, fighting, who fighting with whoever
is out there. There's more than three kids that are
out there fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Right, object, that's a confusingsten.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
You would agree that in the video we see more
than three kids on the video. Correct, that it was
a chaotic scene, right of course, that people were rolling
around and it was hard to tell who was where, right, sure?

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
And you never saw Jack Snyder leave the car, right, No,
And after you backed off of Ralph Valley, you could
see that he was still fighting with some of the
other shelt Night kids.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Right. I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
You don't recall any of that after you backed off
of him. You don't recall anything about what else was
going on with mister Valley. But you do recall that
you saw mister de Silva fight and you just watched, Yes,
didn't throw any kicks, didn't throw any punches, didn't get
it involved in any way, and that night you were

(01:19:25):
wearing the green hoodie, yes, black shorts and the white trim.
Other than Tyler Rich throwing the punch at mister Valley,
can you tell us anybody else who threw a punch
that night? You never saw mister Valley punch anybody. No,
it was only after you were standing over top of

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him punching him that you felt a stick in your side. Yeah,
and your recollection is that it was just you and
mister Balley fighting alone. Yes, thank you, sir. Nothing further.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
I do have some redirect you want to take in the
morning recess.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I think probably now it's a good time to do that. Sure,
our ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are going
to go ahead and take all morning recess.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Fifteen minutes, will be back to here over. Thank you.
Cord stands some.

Speaker 17 (01:20:22):
Recess, unman.

Speaker 16 (01:25:01):
Untun us.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
U u.

Speaker 16 (01:32:16):
U ust.

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
H h.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
And there were some questions about the group chat that
had started. And I question to you is, at what
point after the fight of Lazybrook did you even participate
in the group chat.

Speaker 7 (01:35:56):
I really didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:35:57):
I think might maybe in that car ride back to
Natalia's house I might have said something, But after that
I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
So it wouldn't have been when you got to Tyler
Rich's house.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
No, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
And when you got to Tyler Rich's house, you said
you were just getting notifications in your pocket.

Speaker 7 (01:36:13):
Yeah, when you would look at it and put it back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
And when you get notifications, can you can you read
what they say if you just pick it out and
pick it up and look at it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:20):
If like, my phone is unlocked, yes, but if.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
It's if it's locked, what does it look like?

Speaker 7 (01:36:24):
It just says like an eye message notification. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
And you didn't participate in that group messaging once you
were at Tyler Rich's house. No.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
Now, with regards to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
You were asked a little bit about where you were
when you were at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 18 (01:36:41):
After the car goes down, the goes down World Glen
parks down the street in your farmhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Yeah, this is just for the record. I'm show and
you just stays Exhibit forty nine. Can you show us
forty nine where you were?

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
I was over by like where like the shade is
coming across the street so here on the.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Left side of the road here. Yeah, so you were
maybe one house up maybe or just before the second property.

Speaker 7 (01:37:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And would you agree with me that Farmhouse Road is
somewhere down in this.

Speaker 10 (01:37:11):
Area up here, yes, okay, So I'm directing my my
and somewhere near the intersection Farmhouse Road at the top
of forty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
And when you were when you were in that area,
you indicated you couldn't hear what was being said? No,
And could you hear could you see people down the road?

Speaker 11 (01:37:32):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
And you indicated that you knew Tyler Rich went down
the road.

Speaker 7 (01:37:37):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Did you know anybody else from your friends that went
down the road, but it was more than one person.
And when when Tyler Rich went down the road, how
long would you say you you watch what was.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
Going on down the road? Maximum minute? Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
And at some point in time did you turn around
walk back to the house. Yeah, So in that minute
when you were watching what was happening down the road,
you saw people talking. Did you see any fighting going
on down the road? Now, when you got back to
the house, got back to Tyler Rich's house, you said
you were in the basement area, but that included in

(01:38:16):
your mind the stairway.

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
Yeah, I was right next to the stairs. So were
you at the top of the stairs. You were at
the bottom. I'm at the bottom of the stairs, but
like right at the bottom of the stairs.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
And when you're at the bottom of the stairs, other
other people in the in the basement, And what's happening
in the basement?

Speaker 7 (01:38:32):
People hanging out there, just hanging out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
And do you recall every single person that was in
the basement at that given time?

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
Why don't you recall who was in the basement?

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
I just knew there were my friends, some of your
friends included the names that we mentioned during your testimony
today and yesterday. At some point in time, you heard
their back and you go back outside.

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
You're one of the first people outside. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
And when you're outside, you walk up to the defendant,
and at some point in time, you have a conversation
with the defendant, you pull the shirt off. How long
would you say that interaction happened before you notice Tyler
Rich punched the defendant in the face.

Speaker 7 (01:39:12):
A minute, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
And when Tyler before the punch, did you anticipate that
there was going to be a fight, a physical fight.

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
When the punch happens, is that when the fight starts, yes,
And when the fight starts. My question to you is
how soon after when that punch is thrown from Tyler Rich,
when you're on top of the defendant, do you feel
pain in your side?

Speaker 7 (01:39:47):
No more than thirty seconds?

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
No more than thirty seconds.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
Could it have been more?

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Could have been less?

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
Less?

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
So you punch him twice and then you feel pain.
And soon after you punch you feel you see what
motion do you see?

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
It's like his like fists balled up like this and
just going like that repeatedly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Before you engaged with the defendant, before he got punched,
did you see if he had anything in his hands
at that point in time? Have no further questions, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Any cross briefly on okay.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
Said, before Tyler Rich threw that punch, you never anticipated
a fight, right, No, And you told us that how
soon after was it when this fight broke out that
you started to feel the pain And you said that
that was thirty seconds, right, yes? And then the state's

(01:40:46):
attorney asked you could have been more?

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
He did say that, and you said no, less right, yes,
And in fact you would agree that it's always less.
It could never have been a longer a period of
time when you've been asked on a series of questions
about how long something lasted.

Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
Right, I'm an object argumentative.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
I'm going to assistain the objection on that give mischaracterizes
and it's argument.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
Thank you couldn't have been any longer than thirty seconds. No,
and you told us yesterday that she didn't participate in
any of that group chat. But now you've said maybe
in that car ride. Is when you admit you sent
at least one text right, Yeah, And you didn't participate

(01:41:34):
in that at all at Tyler Rich's house, right. No,
he told us she didn't see anything in mister Valley's hands. Correct,
when he was standing there facing.

Speaker 7 (01:41:43):
You, I was not looking out his hands.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
Well, you reached out and you have pulled the shirt
off of him, you claim, correct. Yes, he didn't punch
you at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
No, he just got like super upset.

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
He didn't shove you at that point. He didn't touch
you in any way. No, he didn't show you a knife. No,
he didn't say, hey, I've got a knife, I'm gonna
cut you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:42:08):
And so from the time that Tyler Rich punched mister
Valley in the face until the time that you felt
the pain and got off of mister Valley, that was
at least thirty seconds. Right, yeah, thirty seconds. You're standing
over him, punching him in the face only two times. Yes,

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nobody else has joined in with you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:35):
I thought, I'm aware of nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Perther, nothing for your honor?

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
What is behind? You're dismissed. Thank you. Please watch your
step as you have set the witness to here.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
He called up the Ryan belf A very good thank.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
You, good morning, still morning, Thank you so much. Please
take a step into this stand remain standing. My clerk
to my right here is going to put you under oth.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Okay, thank you so much.

Speaker 19 (01:43:06):
Right man, you saw me swear for solm me and
sincerely affirm, as the case may be, at the evident
you shall give concern. In this case shall be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So helpe
you God, are a pump penalty of perjury? If so,
please say I do, I do?

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Thank you. Please date your full names, spelling, your last name.

Speaker 11 (01:43:20):
And address for Ryan Sdwes Goss and my you said address.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
It's twelve hundred acres road in new Town. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
You may be studd Thank you you may for see it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Good almost afternoon, doctor DAWs, how are you said?

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
I I'm doing well.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Thank you, good, doctor DAWs. It's a little bit difficult
for everyone to hear in this court room. The ascoustics
are rough, so if you just keep a voice up
as much as possible and sit as close as the
microphone as you can, okay, doctor Dawsh. Where are you currently.

Speaker 11 (01:43:49):
Employed Saint Vincent's Medical Center in Bridgeport And.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
How long have you been employed at Saint Vincent's I
think eight years? And uh is there a Toguel branch
of medicine and you specialize in emergency medicine? And is
there the other department that you work in at San
Vinstent's Medical Center.

Speaker 11 (01:44:06):
I'm just the emergency department.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
And please tell members of the jury your educational background,
including any degrees you hold.

Speaker 11 (01:44:14):
I have a medical degree, of course and a History
and Philosophy of Science degree from undergraduate school.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
And where'd you attend school?

Speaker 11 (01:44:24):
University of Washington in Seattle and then Ross University for
a medical.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
School, and your residency was.

Speaker 11 (01:44:29):
Done Detroit Receiving Hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
And your work experience. Please tell the members of the
jury where.

Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
You've worked, first Detroit Receiving Hospital and then I worked
in a small hospital in Georgia, and then a hospital
in New Zealand for about a year and after that
returned to this country and I've been at Saint Vincent's
ever since.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
And what are your duties working at San Vincent's.

Speaker 11 (01:44:52):
I'm one of the attendings in the emergency department, so
it's seeing patients that are presenting there and managing the
physicians of sit since you also work in the emergency apartment.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
How many attendings are in the er at sans Approximately.

Speaker 11 (01:45:05):
At a given time there would be three or four
in total? I think there are it's going to be
maybe twelve employed there, probably more, but I'm I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
Going to keeping track of that any given time on
a night that you're working those well three or whore
view attending? Yes, and have you ever testified in court
before today?

Speaker 11 (01:45:25):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Do you have any teaching responsibilities?

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:45:29):
We teach the internal medicine residents that rotate through the
emergency department so they get work experience there, and medical
students from Quinnipiac that company too.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
You had also mentioned physician's assistance. Do you supervise them
or oversee them? Yes, and it was explain in that capacity, so.

Speaker 11 (01:45:46):
They are employed there as fairly independent providers. They see
patients on their own, but also work directly with the
attendings and what we call staff patients with the attendings,
meaning if you know, they describe the attending what's going
on and make sure the plan is appropriate, and do
some of the procedures to take some of the workload
off of the attendings, like laceration repairs and things.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
What would determine whether or not you do a procedure
or a physician's assistant does a procedure.

Speaker 11 (01:46:13):
A variety of things. Generally, you know how critical is
the situation, how potentially dangerous is the procedure, and for
things that are immediately life threatening, you know intubations meaning
you know, taking over someone's breathing and such as generally
something the attending would do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
In back of May of twenty twenty two, did you
work at the emergency room department at the Inventsent's Medical Center. Yes,
And on any given day, day or night, how many
patients did you see?

Speaker 11 (01:46:38):
Typically about sixteen to twenty pershe and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
That was you personally, Yes, directing your attention specifically to Sunday,
May fifteenth of twenty twenty two, do you recall working
in the er at Sant Fanstin's Medical Center.

Speaker 11 (01:46:50):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
And did there come a time when you examined a
patient but the name of Ryan Hines.

Speaker 11 (01:46:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
And did you have an opportunity to review Ryan Hines's
medical records before coming to court today? Yes, may approach counsel,
your honor. It's fine, Thank you, Doctor Josh, showing you
what's some market to States ninety three Friday purposes. Please
look at these dots. Do you recognize that doctor?

Speaker 11 (01:47:15):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
And what do you recognize that document as the.

Speaker 11 (01:47:18):
Medical record for Ryan Hines?

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
And is it in the regular course of Saint Vincent's
Medical Center to prepare such a documents such as the
one you see present here?

Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
And it is the regular course of business for nurses
and doctors to maintain such records at Saint Vinci's Medical Center.

Speaker 11 (01:47:32):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
And is it procedure for doctors and nurses to record
such things on such a document accurately? At are around
the time that a patient is seen?

Speaker 11 (01:47:41):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
And it's this documentation certified? Yes, I would ask mark,
is a full exhibit.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Jimmy Smith? Any objection?

Speaker 7 (01:47:49):
No objections?

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
All right, coroll go ahead and accept in the evidence
is full States ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Three, after dolls tending you back now with a full
exhibit State ninety really people's references if you need too,
thank youss to your recollection or if you can look
at State ninety three. What time was Ryan Hines brought
into Saint Fitsin's Medical Center on that day or morning?

Speaker 11 (01:48:10):
Let me just double check the time was this? Yeah,
twelve twenty four am?

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
And where was he brought upon his arrival directly to
the emergency department in one of what we call the
trauma rooms, which are a larger room.

Speaker 11 (01:48:25):
In the front with more space and more equipment for
major injuries.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
How many trauma rooms at Saint Vincent's Hospital Center too?
And can you explain to members of the jury what
indicates whether or not someone comes in as a trauma
level or what makes someone come in as a trauma level? Right?

Speaker 11 (01:48:42):
There are some standard criteria that we go by that
are primarily based on the mechanism of the injury, the
type of injury the patient has or how much force
was involved, and also the condition of the patient, so
if they are unstable or confused, and in this case,
was the penetrating moom to the chests that made him
a trauma.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
The mere fact that Ryan Hines came with the penetrating
room to the chest indicates that he was labeled as
the trauma level. And how is trauma level different than
triage level.

Speaker 11 (01:49:11):
A triage level is a general concept of how potentially
sick someone might be that goes all the way from
triage level one, which is the most potentially deadly situation
and a trias level five, which is something that is
not concerning at all, and that is something that is
determined by a nurse out front in triage based on
vital signs and the cheap complaint and helps organize who

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should be brought into the urergency department first and be
seen before someone else who has likely a less serious condition.
And so it's related, but the trauma criteria are specifically
for injuries, and when someone is brought in as a
particular trauma level one or two, that automatically triggers the
arrival of the trauma surgeons and different staff members to

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help stabilize the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
Now, to your knowledge, how was Ryan Hines brought to
the hospital by ambulance and explained to members of the jury,
do you get indication from BMS one of patient's being
brought in. Is there an alert system that's put into
a fact.

Speaker 11 (01:50:12):
Yes, they don't necessarily call ahead about every patient, but
for potentially serious conditions, they will call ahead on the radio.
We get a heads up that they're riving. They give
us a brief description of the situation so that we
can prepare.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
And can you please explain to members of the jury
how the patient mister Hines presented upon his arrival.

Speaker 11 (01:50:31):
He presented brought in by an ambulance. He was awake
and alert, but uncomfortable, and they had called a head
saying that he had a penetrating wound to the left
chest and left leg.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
So you knew at that point how many wombs there were.

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
We knew of at least two, I think three wounds.
I think it was the chest, in flank and leg. Yes,
we knew it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
And do you recall where you specifically observe those wounds.

Speaker 11 (01:50:58):
I observe them in the trauma room on the patient's arrival.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
And prior to that morning, had you had occasion to
tend to patients who had suffered from stabs. Yes, And
based on your training experience, were Ryan Hines's injuries consistent
with stabs.

Speaker 11 (01:51:13):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
Did you observe your cur with thron Did you base
your conclusions on self reporting or did you base that
on your own personal observations or.

Speaker 11 (01:51:22):
Both my own personal observations.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
Did mister Hines indicate to you or do you recall
be indicated that he had been stabbed prior to we had.

Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
Been informed ahead of time by ems that he had.
I don't actually recall if I directly asked him that question.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
But you had knowledge that he was Yes. Were you
aware of the apparatus or what was used to stab him?

Speaker 11 (01:51:45):
I did not know the details of the input. We were
told it was a knife, but I didn't know anything
about the size or length.

Speaker 5 (01:51:50):
Of the night.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
Prior to seeing a patient. Is it typical for the
nurses to have contact or make contact.

Speaker 11 (01:51:58):
With the patient ending on the situation. In this case,
everyone kind of met uh the patient at the same time,
but oftentimes the nurses do initially evaluate the page before
the doctor's.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
And why in this situation was it everyone hands on
deck when the patient came immediately versus the patient going
with the nurses getting assessed.

Speaker 11 (01:52:16):
Explain why that was done in this case, because for
this type of injury, our concern is that it may
be immediately life threatening and we need to intervene right away.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
Director, direct your attention to State's ninety three, page five
of Sage ninety three. The last line of that page
if you just put it in the page members of
the dream of what it says.

Speaker 9 (01:52:36):
Let's see.

Speaker 11 (01:52:37):
Is it this the CT report on page five here?
Or is this the CT of the admin pelvis with
ivy contrast.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Yes, so it indicates CT of the obdomen pelvis with Okay,
if you get to read the.

Speaker 11 (01:52:54):
Last line of that clinical data trauma one stabbed chest
and flank pain.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
What is flank pain?

Speaker 11 (01:53:00):
Flink, The flank is the side of your body below
your ribs, essentially the side of your abdomen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
And directing your attention still to that same exhibit, page
seven towards the bottom of that exhibit, what does the
SAND or CT head without contrast final results?

Speaker 11 (01:53:17):
It says number one no acute post traumatic intracranial abnormality
and number two undisplaced fractures of both nasal bones.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Number two undisplaced fractures of both nasal bones.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
What is that?

Speaker 11 (01:53:27):
In Layman's terms, it means he had a broken nose
broken nose.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
And had you read about this information or known about
this information prior to Ryan Hines's arrival at the hospital. No,
directing your attention to page twelve of Staate ninety three forwards.
The mid to bottom portion of that page where your
notes begin, is that your electronics thing to show that
appears there, Yes, and indicated there. It also indicate that

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it was signed, and it also in the case filed.
Is that the time that you had seen him versus two.

Speaker 11 (01:53:57):
O five or is that just that's the document was
fouled in the system.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
The date of service is when he was seen looking
at stage ninety three, page twelve. What does the acrotum
HPI refer.

Speaker 11 (01:54:10):
To history of present illness?

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
And if you can please refer with John in reference
to HPI, what does it indicate you did?

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Let's see.

Speaker 11 (01:54:27):
And I'm sorry, could you said?

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Directing your attention onto page thirteen of Staates ninety three.
It indicates the continuation of the history of present illness.
You can please indicate what the chief complaint was and
then what was presented?

Speaker 11 (01:54:42):
Right, So the chief complaint here is stab wound to
the left chest, left flank and left thigh and in
the remaining history. I'm describing any medical conditions. That patient
has a sixteen year old mail with no chronic medical conditions,
describing the situation that led to their arrival in the
Marine State department. You would you like me to read yes, okay?
This sixteen year old male with no chronic medical conditions

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who presents to the emergency department after being involved in
an altercation which resulted in a stab wound to the
left lateral chest wall, left flank, and left thigh. He
also suffered an abrasion to the superior scalp and head injury,
likely from being kicked. The patient was at an event
this evening, did ingest some alcohol but no illicit substances,
got into an altercation with someone who left and returned

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with a knife, resulting in this further altercation. The patient
is complaining of pain at the sight of the stab
wounds and some worsening difficulty breathing. Pre hospital, he has
been oxygenating well on room are and he was getting
enough oxygen. He has had no evidence of tension pneumothorax
per ems. However, they do not decreased or absent breath
sounds on the left. The patient has been hemo dynamically
stable pre hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
Are these all of your notes that you took, Yes, okay,
and taking you back through that paragraph chief complaints. Stab
wound to the left chest, left flank, left thigh. Can
just demonstrate on your body wherein those areas would be
members of the jury.

Speaker 11 (01:55:58):
Left chest here where the ribs are, left flank below
the area of the ribs, and the left thigh here
in the upper leg.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
The recor reflect you're on the witnesses identifying stab wounds
by point to his own body on his left chest,
his left flying area and as well as the left thought.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Court will identify that the witness has identified by using
physical motions on the STANDSA stated doctor Dawson.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Stab wound to the left lateral chest wall is that
the same thing as the left chest?

Speaker 11 (01:56:25):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
And when you say chest wall, what does that mean.

Speaker 11 (01:56:29):
We're just referring to the external service of the chest
here and the left lateral is the lateral aspect is
kind of the side. You just have to have a
fancy term for everything. So that's just referring to the
stab wound in the chest wall on the left side
of his body.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
Abrasion did the superior scalp and head injury, likely from
being kicked.

Speaker 7 (01:56:47):
How did you determine that this was a re.

Speaker 11 (01:56:52):
To tell you the truth, I can't recall how we
determine that. This is generally from information we're obtaining from
EMS and the patient, but I don't recall exactly who
told me about the kick to the head.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
So an abrasion, what is that scratch? Is it something
that's deeper than a paper cup for instance?

Speaker 11 (01:57:09):
No, it's probably about the same death genitally when we're
talking about abrasians thinking more not such a simple little
linear scratch, but kind of when a larger area of
the skin is damaged and a braided we call it
just scraped.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
Could have produce bleeding? Yes, okay, And so you're saying
lightly being kicked, that could have been self reporting or
like you said, form EMS, yes, wor it indicates pain
at the side of the stab wounds. Is that something
that Ryan Hines would have indicated that he you would
ask in his pain level for instance, Yes, and wor
sening difficulty breathing pre hospital.

Speaker 11 (01:57:43):
Explain that So this is a combination of information from
the patient and EMS basically describing that he was feeling
that he was getting more short of breath. He was
having more difficulty breathing as time passed, in the time
period it took to get to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
Would that be typical of a wound to the chess wall.

Speaker 11 (01:58:03):
It can be. It depends on really how bad the
wound is and what the situation is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
Could you have a wounded the chest wall that would
not penetrate a lung?

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:58:12):
Absolutely, you know, obviously the ribs are protecting the area
and then whatever object does not penetrate through pass the
ribs into the lung, which can happen.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
Being that the patient was complaining or indicating that he
wasn't breathing very well, did that indicate to you that
there was a possibility that his lung had been punctured.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
Back to States ninety three, page thirteen, that same paragraph,
no evidence of tension numothorax pneumothorax, Thank you for ems.
What is that terminology?

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Thorax?

Speaker 11 (01:58:45):
So Newmothorax is just the fancy term for air in
the chest wall outside of the lung and causing the
lung to collapse at tension. Pneumothorax is a specific type
of that which, because of not to get too far
into the weeds, a one way valve of a kind
of the pressure continues to increase inside the chest. The

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air can enter but not exit through that wound, and
the lung is pushed further and further, and then ultimately,
you know, other structures in the neck and chest are
pushed to the point where the heart cannot beat properly
and people can die very quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:59:20):
They do know decrease or apps and breast sounds. On
the left, his patient has been hemo dynamically stable pre hospital.

Speaker 7 (01:59:26):
What is that?

Speaker 11 (01:59:27):
It means that heuandemically stable. Is just referring to things
like his blood pressure and his heart rate. We're watching
those to make sure that there isn't any sign of
that kind of compromise to the function of the heart
or the circulatory system, which we would see if his
blood pressure were dropping and likely his heart rate is
increasing to try to compensate that was not those kinds
of dynamic changes were not happening on the way to

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the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
Directing your attentions. That's an exhibit sase ninety three about
mid page on page fourteen, where it says pulmonary, chest, abdominal,
and muscular skeletal when you saw that, was that concerning
to you at all? And why?

Speaker 11 (02:00:04):
Yes, Specifically, the absent breath sounds on the left would
be concerning in this context because that would make us
worried that he had suffered an injury to his lung
and that had collapsed and was not functioning properly. The
diminished breath sounds in the right upper lung field are
relatively non specific, just mean that we're not hearing quite
as well in this area, so we need to make
sure that that's okay as well.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
And you had indicated earlier that a certain condition can
occur if left unattended, you explain what that condition is
and why that would be something that would be like,
for night, the.

Speaker 11 (02:00:35):
Tension neumothoric specifically, Yes, So that would be kind of
this steadily increasing pressure within the chest cavity that is
starting to push everything over to the opposite side and
lead to a situation where the return of blood to
the heart is impaired and now the heart's not able

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to continue circulating blood and this would result and death
and that's obviously a.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Very serious situation.

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
Yes, And.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
If Ryan Hines have been left unattended, not brought to
the hospital to tend to that, is that something that
could have caused death? Yes, Directing your attention to page
fourteen as well on stage ninety three, where it says
stab wound under abdominal stab wound, left lateral flank, muscular

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skeletal stab wound, left lateral thigh, left lateral flank, and
left lateral flat left lateral thigh. Anything about those wounds
that we're concerning to regarding any arteries that were around
that area or anything of the sort.

Speaker 11 (02:01:40):
Right, I think we always get concerned with an abdoma
or flank wound because of course there are many important
organs in there that if they're directly injured, you can
have quite a lot of internal bleeding quickly spleen the
kidney on that side, and with the wound and the thigh,
we have to consider, of course injury to a major
blood vessel and bleeding from that. The location on the

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thigh was a little less concerning for that kind of problem.

Speaker 4 (02:02:07):
Directing your attention to the bottom of page fourteen on c.
Ninety three, where it says MDM clinical impression knows. What
does MDM that acronym refer.

Speaker 11 (02:02:15):
To is medical decision making it's a section to describe
what we were thinking.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
And what we did, and we're indicating that paragraph it
says portable chess X ray confirms left side dumothorax, no
evidence of hemothorax. What does that sentence refer to?

Speaker 11 (02:02:30):
So that says that when we took an X ray
of his chest, this is in the trauma room still
he's in the stretch O. We're taking a film right there.
We can see that that left lung has collapsed. We
do not see evidence of fluid filling the chest cavity,
which in this context we'd be worried about blood filling
up his chest. That was not the case.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
On an X ray, what would you see to indicate
the lung had collapse?

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
For instance, you.

Speaker 11 (02:02:55):
Can see for an inflated lung the lung markings there
and the app since of them, and often you can
in the case of blindon with arcs, often you can
see kind of the border of the lung as well,
so you can see how much it has collapsed. You
can see secondary findings of it. It's not a study
that's going to show the soft tissues like that, but
you can see things like swelling in the air. You

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can see some air tracked entering the chest. We all
that type of thing, so you see secondary findings of
a stamp them and in.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
The case also on page fourteen of ninety three, a
chest to is in place for the trauma service and
for the trauma workup is pending. What was the purpose
of that chest too?

Speaker 11 (02:03:31):
That is a device that's placed into the chest to
suction essentially the air out of the chest cavity, allow
that lung to reinflate, and if there were you know,
blood in the chest cavity, it would also be draining
that fluid out of it.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
Directing your attention to page fifteen of SA ninety three
at the top of that page. Patient will be emitted
in the trauma service for further care. What was the
purpose of that?

Speaker 11 (02:03:56):
The initial period time after placing that chest tube, so
you know, of course a good thing that the lung
is reinflating, that needs time to heal somewhat before the
chest tube is removed, which would typically take place in
the hospital before the patient is sent home. So they
need time to make sure the lung is inflating again
and staying that way and remove the chest tube and

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ensure the lung doesn't collapse again once it's removed.

Speaker 4 (02:04:22):
Page fifteen of C ninety three under critical career indicates
the patient was critically ill with a high probability of
imminent or life threatening deterioration. That notation does that reference
which you described before regarding the I'm going to say
the word wrong, but the tension that you were describing
which could have caused death, well.

Speaker 11 (02:04:41):
Not only that, but even without the tension pnumothorax component,
this can be deadly injury. And so this is a
situation where until the patient was stabilized, the likelihood of
him dying was relatively high.

Speaker 4 (02:04:59):
Now I'm going to be showing you some photographs that
origin markets evidence, showing you what's in marked to stay
eighty four the screen in front of you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
You can just reference Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:05:10):
Look up here is that on your screen?

Speaker 11 (02:05:13):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
What would you describe that as this.

Speaker 11 (02:05:17):
Is the abrasion to the scalp he was mentioned, and.

Speaker 12 (02:05:21):
Showing you to stay eighty three physically towards the caroline
there right, same abrasion.

Speaker 11 (02:05:33):
That you're describing, Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (02:05:36):
And showing you what's been marked to see eighty five.
Are you able to identify what this is? And describe
the jury what the purpose of that would be.

Speaker 11 (02:05:48):
This is that chest tube that was mentioned. There are
different types of these and different sizes. This is a
device that's placed in the front of the chest and
relatively smaller eyes, which is mainly meant to pull air
out of the chest rather than fluid.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
And does that go directly into.

Speaker 11 (02:06:06):
The mold, No, it goes elsewhere in the chest wall,
in between the ribs in a way that is designed
to be at a certain angle so that when the
two big removed, that space closes on its own immediately.

Speaker 12 (02:06:18):
Showing you stay eighty six.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
And if this is the wrong orientation, I can slip it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:25):
So are you able to.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
See is this the right rotation?

Speaker 11 (02:06:33):
I think so. It's just a bit, just the angles bit.
But I think this is the left side. Yes, this
is the left side of the patient's chest. So in
this photograph the way we have it oriented as head
would be up at the top off the side of
the screen.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:06:44):
And this tube that you see pictured on stage.

Speaker 12 (02:06:50):
Sex h is that connected to that port you're just indicated.

Speaker 11 (02:06:55):
Yes, that's the Yes, that's the chest tube.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:06:58):
And this gauze here with the tape.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
What is that over?

Speaker 11 (02:07:02):
I think that is over the stab wound itself, showing you.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
States eighty seven, book that for you.

Speaker 4 (02:07:13):
Don't know? Uh, what is this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
A photograph of?

Speaker 11 (02:07:16):
That is the photograph of the stab wound to the
chest wall.

Speaker 4 (02:07:20):
That's the one that's the wound that punctured the lung. Yes,
and showing you stay eighty nine, what is that a
photograph of doctor dogs?

Speaker 11 (02:07:32):
And that's the stab wound to the left flank, left flank.

Speaker 4 (02:07:36):
And showing you state ninety one, what is that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
A photograph of?

Speaker 11 (02:07:44):
That's the stab wound to the left thigh.

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
Okay, and that's obviously a different stab wound than the
left flanks stab wound you just indicated.

Speaker 20 (02:07:50):
Yes, And finally states ninety two, would you agree with
me that these are photographs of all.

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
The punctures at subburb.

Speaker 20 (02:08:03):
Yes, and the one to the top of states.

Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
This would be the left flank.

Speaker 11 (02:08:11):
No, that's the left lateral chest and the left flank
is the one below that.

Speaker 4 (02:08:16):
Thanks for correcting. Left flank is the one below mid exhibit.
And then the last uh, stab to the what did
you refer.

Speaker 11 (02:08:25):
To that as the THIGHI thank you?

Speaker 4 (02:08:28):
Directing your attention back to States ninety three, page twenty,
where it says underneath H and P encounter notes. What
does that mean? H and P encounter notes?

Speaker 11 (02:08:41):
So this is the history and physical that's written by
the trauma service, and encounter notes is just a general
term for notes we took regarding this encounter with the
phicient and that was.

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
A physician's assistant that took those notes that you can see.

Speaker 11 (02:08:57):
Yes, it looks like it was Mattee Manea and we're.

Speaker 4 (02:09:00):
Indicates the sixteen sixteen m is that sixteen year old male, Yes, okay,
stab and left chest midax line with about a four
to fifth intercostal, left flank, left lateral hip. What does
that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:09:11):
So he's describing the location of these stab wounds. That
left chest midax line is an abbreviation for a mid
axillary line, and the axilla is the armpit, so the
middle of the armpit basin line drawn from the armpit
down and then the other.

Speaker 4 (02:09:26):
Two stab wounds chemo dynamically stable with mild tachycardia thorobax
without significant hemo. What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:09:35):
He's abbreviating hemo thorax there, So he's saying there is
the collapse of the lung on the left without blood
collected in the chest wall and the hemodenaemically stable means
his blood pressure has been steady, but his heart rate
is fast, probably compensating for the injuries, because it's safe.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
To say that the physician's assistant also tended to or
tend to the wounds of mister Hines. So whereas this
place of fourteen frunch pigtail cath into your second intercostal space?
What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:10:04):
So that's this chest tube. When they say pigtail catheter,
it's a kind of catheter that is built to twist
in there, so it's not directly puncturing anything else. And
this is describing where that was placed. It was the anterior,
the front of the chest, and the second intercostal space,
and they're just counting down the second rib and that
space below the rib.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
Is that what we saw in the photographs that were
just depicted. Yes, and adequate re expansion of the long
mild air leak. Is that something that repairs on its own?

Speaker 11 (02:10:35):
Yes, they monitor that When this chest tube is hooked up,
it's connected to a kind of suction device and they're
monitoring that pressure over time and that air leak typically
would get better as the wound heals.

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
It also, in the case washed out stab wound small
enough that will heal by secondary intention to avoid closing
and having infection. What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:10:56):
That means that the two wounds, the one on the
flank and the thigh, while actually including the stab one
on the chest, they wash these out, but they did
not want to sutra them closed because they would worry
that would increase the risk of an infection in the
wound to kind of close everything up inside of there,
so they let it heal by secondary intention, which is

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just the term for letting that kind of close on
its own and heal from the inside out instead of
closing the skin.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
Is that pretty standard with wounds such as this to
not suture them.

Speaker 11 (02:11:25):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
Directing your attention to page twenty two if Stase ninety
three where it indicates secondary withdrawn, primary assessment and secondary assessment,
What is the difference between the two of those?

Speaker 11 (02:11:35):
These are specific to the trauma process. When patients come
in after injuries like this, the primary assessment is what
is immediately life threatening happening right now? Is the patient breathing?
Are they circulating blood well? Are they able to talk
to us, and they're what we call protecting their airway.
They can keep their airway open. And then the secondary

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assessment is a head to toe kind of protocolized examination
to make sure there are no other injuries that are.

Speaker 4 (02:12:03):
Missed under page with rawn on page twenty two of
that exhibit. Under primary assessment, where and if he's breathing
minimally labor with some associated.

Speaker 11 (02:12:14):
Dismea, thank you?

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (02:12:16):
That means that his breathing was a little bit fast,
a little bit difficult. He appeared to be having a
little bit of a hard time breathing. That's what they say,
I'm minimally labored. And DISCMA is the subjective sensation of
shortness of breath. When someone feels short of breath, it's
called DISPMEA.

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
How long does that typically last? With an injuries such
as this, after.

Speaker 11 (02:12:36):
The chest tube is placed, that can resolve pretty quickly,
but without that it would it would last for a while.
If the patient survives, it would be a process of
healing that would take some time days probably.

Speaker 4 (02:12:46):
Do you know how long? Mister Hine was kept in
the hospital.

Speaker 11 (02:12:49):
For two nights and then actually I thought I wasn't
sure if it was one night or two nights. I
think it's two nights.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Though.

Speaker 4 (02:12:57):
Ultimately, what was the purpose of keeping in for so long?

Speaker 11 (02:13:00):
That is to monitor the effectiveness of the chest tube
and make sure that air leak resolves. That once that
wound starts kind of closing on its own and there's
no longer the passage to allow air out of the
chest or into the chest cavity, then they can safely
remove the chest tube. So it's really that period of

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time to monitor and make sure things are not getting
worse and that they're getting better.

Speaker 4 (02:13:25):
Under where it's the secondary assessment on page twenty two
of stage ninety three, it does indicate nose and it
says no injury. That was a little surprising to me indicate,
as you had indicated that he did suffer some broken nose,
why does it say no injury there?

Speaker 11 (02:13:40):
I think this is fairly common in a situation like
this where that was not their primary focus, and so
that can be missed. This it may have been the case.
I mean, I think looking back at the photographs, his
nose was not visibly injured that badly, so it wasn't
something that was focused on, and it may not have
been particularly tender when they felt the area they didn't

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appreciate looking at the nose that it looked injured. And
then we saw in the cat skin that he did
have a broth.

Speaker 4 (02:14:04):
Indeed loss State's ninety three on page sixty four of
that exhibit. Do you see any indication on this page
of the patient if the patient's bood was tested for alcohol.

Speaker 11 (02:14:15):
Yes, let's see, Yes, I.

Speaker 4 (02:14:18):
Do see that, okay, And what does it indicate.

Speaker 11 (02:14:22):
That the result of that test was a value of
seven milligrams per deso leader.

Speaker 4 (02:14:27):
What does that mean in BAC terms?

Speaker 16 (02:14:30):
And what?

Speaker 7 (02:14:31):
All?

Speaker 6 (02:14:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:14:31):
You can convert that?

Speaker 11 (02:14:33):
So for the state of Connecticut, I think the legal
little bit limit of driving is if you blow up
point zero eight on the breathalyzer, that would be an
eighty on this measurement, So eight zero, So this is
like a point zero zero seven or something.

Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
Point zero zero seven, right, Yes, Now, based on your expertise,
with the fact that Ryan hy has had a point
zero zero seven BAC level, will that have affected his
injuries the way he was treated in way?

Speaker 10 (02:15:01):
No?

Speaker 11 (02:15:01):
I think I mean it would. It would really just
indicate that he had something to drink earlier in the night.
But this was not a level of alcohol that would
have caused his injuries to be more complicated or caused
him to be really be intoxicated clinically, we say like that,
you know, visibly intoxicated, that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (02:15:21):
Thank you, doctors. I've never got questions or thank you you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
Attorney Kamana, good afternoon, after dus.

Speaker 6 (02:15:30):
We've never met before. Correct, yes, correct, So I'm just
gonna ask you a brief series of questions. You said,
as far as the nose, no injury that could have
been because it didn't appear to be visibly injured. Correct, yes, correct, Sorry,
the head nods aren't caught by the court.

Speaker 5 (02:15:48):
Right.

Speaker 7 (02:15:48):
Have you ever testified before in court?

Speaker 5 (02:15:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:15:50):
Oh, okay, so the court reporter here has got to
hear a yes or a no.

Speaker 11 (02:15:54):
So if you just do that for us, got it? Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:15:58):
And you said the patient himself wasn't complaining of pain
to the nose, not that I recall. And then you said, then,
so then there was a cat scan that was done
and that reflected that there was a correct me if
I'm wrong, non displaced.

Speaker 11 (02:16:13):
Fracture correct correct?

Speaker 6 (02:16:15):
Did that give you an indication of the age of
that non displaced fracture.

Speaker 11 (02:16:18):
We can generally tell on imaging if the fracture is
what we call acute, meaning this just happened, or not,
because healing starts pretty quickly. So this was an acute injury.

Speaker 7 (02:16:28):
Okay, it just occurred, gotcha?

Speaker 6 (02:16:32):
And the description in the notes that you were looking
at said that superior scalp in the head injury likely
from being kicked.

Speaker 7 (02:16:43):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (02:16:44):
Correct, that's based on self.

Speaker 11 (02:16:45):
Report, I suppose. I'm afraid I don't recall where that
information came from, so I cannot speak to whether it
was accurate or not. I think it was secondhand information.
Of course for me it would have been secondhand information,
but I don't know who told us that.

Speaker 6 (02:17:03):
And that the patient did admit to some alcohol use. Correct, Yes,
And that was confirmed by the results of the toxicology.

Speaker 11 (02:17:12):
Correct yes.

Speaker 6 (02:17:15):
And that he also denied any illicit substances correct.

Speaker 11 (02:17:20):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (02:17:21):
But that, however, was not confirmed by the toxicology because
that did reflect on page eleven positive for cannabinoid correct.

Speaker 7 (02:17:30):
Let me take a look page eleven.

Speaker 11 (02:17:33):
Let's see. Yes, that's the result is positive. It doesn't
necessarily speak to when the cannabis was used.

Speaker 6 (02:17:43):
Okay, all right, and so you've told us today what
you did as far as treating him for his wounds. Correct, yes,
but you couldn't tell us or help this jury of
what they wanted to know was why what had happened
to him happened to him that evening?

Speaker 7 (02:17:59):
Correct?

Speaker 11 (02:18:00):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (02:18:00):
Thank you for nothing for.

Speaker 3 (02:18:04):
Any redirect. All right, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:18:07):
You're dismissed from you witness stand.

Speaker 4 (02:18:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:18:10):
Please watch your step as you exit, and did you
have medical do you have an exhibit of there?

Speaker 1 (02:18:16):
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
Thank you, sony. I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (02:18:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:18:20):
Sure well, maybe we approach it certainly.

Speaker 3 (02:18:24):
By ladies and gentlemen, the jury.

Speaker 2 (02:18:26):
We're going to take an early lunch, so you're going
to have an extended lunch break today. It is twenty
five of one. We will commence evidence again at two pm,
so have a good lunch. Please remind yourselves of your
juror conduct and the obligations and rules that we've gone over.
Avoid anyone, don't talk to anyone, and.

Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
Don't do any independent research.

Speaker 2 (02:18:46):
And I do just want to remind you that you
cannot discuss the case amongst yourselves either at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:18:51):
Okay, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
Enjoy your lunch, court stands and recess until two pm.

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Speaker 3 (02:53:04):
Thanks, And I would at this time ask the clerk
to bring the jurors. Thank you all right, welcome back,
ladies and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed your lunch.

Speaker 2 (02:53:16):
Council, please stipulate the return of our jurors after lunch
defense stipulation.

Speaker 3 (02:53:21):
All right, thank you so much. All right.

Speaker 2 (02:53:22):
At this point in time, I would direct the state
to call its next witness.

Speaker 7 (02:53:26):
Thank you're hones.

Speaker 1 (02:53:26):
State. We call Keenan Frasick to the stand.

Speaker 3 (02:53:28):
Thank you, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:53:31):
Please enter the witness dam please remain standing, and my
clerk to.

Speaker 3 (02:53:35):
My right is going to put you out with okay, thank.

Speaker 19 (02:53:37):
You, honor plea for answer. You saw me swear or
saw me in sincerely affirms the case may be. That's
the evidence you shall give concerning this case shall be
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth.
So healthy daughter, If I'm plenty of surgery. If so,
please see I do.

Speaker 5 (02:53:49):
I do.

Speaker 19 (02:53:50):
Please state your name, spelling, your last name and address
for the records.

Speaker 5 (02:53:54):
Keenan Frasik sixteen with Chris Avenue okay.

Speaker 7 (02:53:58):
And a.

Speaker 1 (02:54:00):
Far a cz.

Speaker 4 (02:54:04):
You may be seated.

Speaker 7 (02:54:05):
Thank you, good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (02:54:11):
Just do us a favorite sit close to that microphone.
The acoustics in here are pretty bad, so the jury
needs to hear what you have to say. Okay, Kein
And how old are you?

Speaker 5 (02:54:19):
I am twenty years old?

Speaker 1 (02:54:21):
And do you go to school?

Speaker 5 (02:54:22):
I do? Where are you social Connecticut State University?

Speaker 1 (02:54:25):
And what are you studying?

Speaker 5 (02:54:27):
Nursing?

Speaker 1 (02:54:28):
And are you working for the summer?

Speaker 7 (02:54:30):
I am what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:54:32):
You know why you're here today? I do?

Speaker 7 (02:54:34):
Why are you here today?

Speaker 5 (02:54:36):
To say my part? And what happened leading up to
and after the event?

Speaker 1 (02:54:43):
Are you nervous to be here today?

Speaker 5 (02:54:44):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (02:54:46):
I want to direct your attention to May fourteenth of
twenty twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 5 (02:54:51):
Sixteen?

Speaker 1 (02:54:52):
And did you go to school?

Speaker 5 (02:54:53):
I did?

Speaker 7 (02:54:54):
Where did you go to school?

Speaker 5 (02:54:55):
Saint Joseph Igh School?

Speaker 7 (02:54:56):
And what year were you.

Speaker 5 (02:54:59):
I was in my sophomore year, so you're a rising junior? Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:55:04):
And uh? Are you familiar with an individual by the
name of Jack Sniner?

Speaker 7 (02:55:09):
I am?

Speaker 1 (02:55:09):
How are you familiar with Jack Snyder schoolmate at Saint Jose?

Speaker 7 (02:55:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:55:14):
Are you familiar with an individual by the name of
Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 5 (02:55:17):
I am?

Speaker 7 (02:55:18):
And how are you familiar with him?

Speaker 5 (02:55:20):
Schoolmate at Saint Jose And are.

Speaker 1 (02:55:22):
You familiar with an individual by the name of Raoul Valley?

Speaker 9 (02:55:25):
I am?

Speaker 7 (02:55:25):
And how are you familiar with him?

Speaker 5 (02:55:27):
Schoolmate at Saint Jose Does he have a nickname?

Speaker 7 (02:55:30):
He does?

Speaker 1 (02:55:30):
And what is his nickname?

Speaker 5 (02:55:32):
He was called Ledo?

Speaker 1 (02:55:33):
And is the defendant? Is Raoul president courtman?

Speaker 7 (02:55:37):
Today?

Speaker 5 (02:55:37):
He is?

Speaker 7 (02:55:38):
And what is he wearing?

Speaker 5 (02:55:39):
Blue suit?

Speaker 7 (02:55:40):
And can you please point him out for the record?

Speaker 1 (02:55:43):
You go to the record reflect the witnesses identified the
defendant in this case.

Speaker 2 (02:55:46):
Card will allow the record to reflect that the witness
has identified in mister Valley.

Speaker 1 (02:55:50):
Thank you now. Keene I want to direct your attention
to May fourteenth to twenty twenty two, specifically Madigan Lafer's house.
Can you tell us what was going on at Madigan
Life or So house that night and what time.

Speaker 9 (02:56:03):
You got there?

Speaker 5 (02:56:05):
There was a party going on, a couple of grades
mixed within the Saint Joseph School community. We're all hanging out,
having a good time, obviously drinking some alcohol. And I
believe I got there around I'd say nine o'clock.

Speaker 7 (02:56:23):
And were you drinking?

Speaker 5 (02:56:25):
I was how much?

Speaker 7 (02:56:26):
Were you drinking?

Speaker 5 (02:56:26):
Three beers?

Speaker 1 (02:56:27):
And we say beers?

Speaker 7 (02:56:28):
What kind of beer? Bush?

Speaker 1 (02:56:30):
Light?

Speaker 7 (02:56:30):
Bush?

Speaker 1 (02:56:32):
And how long were you there?

Speaker 7 (02:56:36):
Withdrawing?

Speaker 1 (02:56:36):
At some point in time when you were at Madigan
Lifer's house, did individuals.

Speaker 7 (02:56:42):
Show up that you were not familiar with? Were you
for work?

Speaker 1 (02:56:46):
Are you aware that individual showed up that you're not
from me?

Speaker 7 (02:56:49):
I am aware, but you didn't see them? Did not
see it?

Speaker 12 (02:56:51):
Aroun?

Speaker 1 (02:56:52):
What time would you say? How long were you at
Madigan life Or's house between the time you got there
and the time that you became aware that these vigil
showed up.

Speaker 5 (02:57:00):
I can't put an exact time on it, but it
was around one to two hours okay.

Speaker 1 (02:57:05):
So at some point in time, tell the ladies and
gentlemen the jury what you were exactly doing, aside from
drinking alcohol? What were you doing at the party at
the liferhouse?

Speaker 5 (02:57:16):
Socializing with my friends, maybe playing some drinking games like
beer pong, something of those sorts.

Speaker 1 (02:57:22):
Do you know whether or not when you were there,
whether or not Jack Snyder was at that party? Jack
Snyder was present, and was Tyler de Silva There he
was and was the defendant there he was. Now, at
some point in time, did you were you were you
inside the house or outside the house.

Speaker 5 (02:57:40):
When you're at this party inside for most of the time.

Speaker 1 (02:57:44):
At some point in time, did you exit the house
for some reason?

Speaker 5 (02:57:47):
I did?

Speaker 7 (02:57:47):
And why did you exit the house?

Speaker 5 (02:57:49):
My buddy named Ryan, he said he wasn't feeling well,
felt uneasy, said he had to vomit. So I took
him outside, went around the house into the back and
was tender or was with him while he was vomiting?

Speaker 1 (02:58:03):
And when when you were doing that, how long would
you say you were.

Speaker 5 (02:58:06):
Out back with him for I'd say twenty minutes?

Speaker 1 (02:58:09):
And after twenty minutes did you return to the garage
or driveway area of the helm the home.

Speaker 7 (02:58:15):
I did.

Speaker 5 (02:58:17):
Nothing was occurring at that moment. As we were driving
or i'd say walking around the house, we heard some
shouting from a car from the driving past the road,
and we're trying to figure out what was going on.

Speaker 7 (02:58:31):
And did you in fact figure out what was going on?

Speaker 5 (02:58:34):
We were informed, okay, and were.

Speaker 1 (02:58:36):
Informed about a fight that had taken place.

Speaker 5 (02:58:38):
We were informed and you did not witness that fight?

Speaker 1 (02:58:41):
Did not and at some point in time shortly after
that fight did the party break up?

Speaker 5 (02:58:49):
It did?

Speaker 1 (02:58:49):
Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen the
jury the circumstances around surrounding the party breaking up.

Speaker 5 (02:58:57):
Can you repeat that?

Speaker 1 (02:58:57):
Well? In other words, you gave you got back. You
heard about this fight. How long after did you hear
about the fight that? Did the party break up?

Speaker 5 (02:59:05):
Within twenty minutes?

Speaker 1 (02:59:06):
And how did the party break up? Parents inform me
that the party was over?

Speaker 7 (02:59:11):
How did that happen?

Speaker 5 (02:59:12):
I don't believe it was the parents. The older sister
was telling everybody to disperse and get out of the house.
The party was over.

Speaker 1 (02:59:23):
And so when the party was over, what if anything
were you concerned about.

Speaker 7 (02:59:27):
At that point in time?

Speaker 5 (02:59:28):
Trying to get home and did you have a.

Speaker 7 (02:59:30):
Right home at that point?

Speaker 5 (02:59:32):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (02:59:32):
And were you hanging out with anybody at the moment
at that moment who also needed.

Speaker 7 (02:59:39):
A write home?

Speaker 5 (02:59:39):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:59:40):
And who was that?

Speaker 5 (02:59:41):
Dimitrios Arfanas and Will sin Schwald.

Speaker 1 (02:59:44):
And at some point in time were you able to
find a ride home?

Speaker 11 (02:59:50):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:59:52):
Now, prior to that we were seeing the defendant Jack
Snyder at the house.

Speaker 5 (02:59:58):
Yes, yes, I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:00:00):
States Exhibit fifty three. Can you identify the people in
State's fifty three?

Speaker 5 (03:00:05):
This person in the red Jack Snyder?

Speaker 1 (03:00:07):
And how about this person here with the helmet.

Speaker 5 (03:00:08):
On Raoul Valley. Yes, at some point in.

Speaker 1 (03:00:13):
Time you were able to find a ride from Lazybrook,
I was. And who offered you a ride?

Speaker 5 (03:00:19):
Jack Snyder?

Speaker 1 (03:00:20):
And did anybody else? Was anybody else offered a ride.

Speaker 7 (03:00:24):
At that point in time?

Speaker 5 (03:00:25):
Yes? The Metrios sorry Faunas was he was planning from
the beginning of the night to sleep sleep over at
my house after the party. And Will Cinchwald.

Speaker 1 (03:00:35):
And at some point in time did you get into
Jack's car? Yes, so you States thirty. You recognize State thirty.

Speaker 5 (03:00:45):
Yeah, that was the vehicle, that's Jack's car. Yes, And.

Speaker 1 (03:00:52):
When you uh, when you got into that vehicle? Who
else got into the vehicle with you?

Speaker 5 (03:01:00):
Jack Snyder was driving his car, Tyler de Silva, Ledo
Valley or Rawel Valley, Dimitrios, myself, Will Sinchwold, and McKenzie Trafficante. Now,
how do you know all those people that we all
went to school together at Sanchos You were all.

Speaker 1 (03:01:19):
Saint Joe students. Yes, Now, when you left Lazybrook in
Jack's car, where were we? Did you know where you
were headed?

Speaker 5 (03:01:29):
We were going to Trumbuy?

Speaker 7 (03:01:30):
Why were you going there?

Speaker 5 (03:01:31):
To figure out where we were going to go after?
Whether it was a different party, hang out of somebody
else's house. It was kind of just like a middle
grounds almost to figure out where we were going to
go next.

Speaker 1 (03:01:42):
And did you, in fact at some point get to
Trumble High School?

Speaker 18 (03:01:45):
We did?

Speaker 1 (03:01:45):
And when you got there, did you guys discuss.

Speaker 7 (03:01:48):
What to do next?

Speaker 1 (03:01:52):
Not?

Speaker 7 (03:01:52):
Really.

Speaker 5 (03:01:53):
When we got to Trumbuy, we met up with some
other females that were at the party, and and the
whole group of people were split up.

Speaker 4 (03:02:02):
And.

Speaker 5 (03:02:05):
Uldo, Jack and Tyler were talking amongst themselves, and I
was talking to a different group of individuals, And so
I had my own separate conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:02:17):
So were you close enough where you could hear what
the defendant was talking about with Jack and Tyler?

Speaker 7 (03:02:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:02:23):
At some point, how long would you say you were
at Trumble High School for?

Speaker 5 (03:02:26):
I'd give it twenty minutes, okay?

Speaker 1 (03:02:28):
And when you're at Trumble High School? Did you have
anything to drink between the time you left Lazy Brook
and the time you got to Trouble High School? No?
Did you have anything to drink when you were at
Trouble High School? No?

Speaker 7 (03:02:37):
Now, after about.

Speaker 1 (03:02:38):
Twenty minutes, did you all get back into Jack's car?

Speaker 5 (03:02:42):
We did?

Speaker 7 (03:02:42):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 5 (03:02:45):
Because everything was wrapped up and I thought we were
going home.

Speaker 7 (03:02:49):
I thought you were going home. Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:02:50):
And did you leave Trouble High School?

Speaker 5 (03:02:53):
We did?

Speaker 1 (03:02:53):
And when you left Trumble High School? Where did you?
Where were you headed?

Speaker 7 (03:03:00):
Did you think you believe?

Speaker 5 (03:03:01):
I thought we were heading home to my house with Demetrius.

Speaker 1 (03:03:06):
At what point time did you realize you weren't heading home?

Speaker 5 (03:03:09):
So when we got out of Trumble High we took
a right, and we're supposed to take a right the
next right back into Trumble, but we took a left
in a Shelton And that's how I knew we were
not going to my house.

Speaker 1 (03:03:22):
And you what town do you live in? Trouble, So
when you took the left to go into Shelton, was
there any talk about where you're going drop me home?

Speaker 7 (03:03:33):
Anything like that?

Speaker 5 (03:03:36):
I assumed that we were dropping Mackenzie off because I
knew she was from Shelton, but didn't know what part,
didn't know where she lived.

Speaker 1 (03:03:43):
At some point in time, did you pull up on
a on a house and shell?

Speaker 5 (03:03:46):
We did?

Speaker 1 (03:03:47):
And do you recall what house that was?

Speaker 5 (03:03:52):
Uh, the estate of Tyler Rich.

Speaker 1 (03:03:56):
Show your states sign? Is that the house that you
guys pulled up to. Yes, so you staged forty nine
again aerial views at the Tyler Rich house that you
pulled up to.

Speaker 11 (03:04:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:04:08):
Can you tell us in State's forty nine where exactly
you guys are pulled up if you can recall.

Speaker 5 (03:04:14):
I can't exactly recall the road we came in on.
I knew we were facing or we were facing the
direction of a cul de sac, and we were right
in front of the driveway and drove by, turned around
at the cul de sac and then went back towards
the driveway.

Speaker 1 (03:04:35):
And at some point in time prior to arriving at
at Tyler Rich's house. Did you were you aware of
a group chat that.

Speaker 7 (03:04:47):
Was going on between some of your friends and some of.

Speaker 5 (03:04:53):
The Shelton High School kids after the fact, I know
about it now. I was not a part of that
group chat, and there was no talk about that group chat,
so no, it was not informed.

Speaker 1 (03:05:04):
At some point in time when you pulled up to
for Tyler Rich's house, did anybody did you witness anybody
exit that house?

Speaker 5 (03:05:13):
When we initially drove by, there were people outside.

Speaker 1 (03:05:16):
And at some point in time when you stopped in
front of the house, did people approach.

Speaker 5 (03:05:20):
The car after we turned around the cul de sac
and we got surrounded by people? And how many people
would you say, you know, we're outside at any given time,
at least twenty at least twenty And when they surrounded
the car, can you tell us a little bit about
how that interaction.

Speaker 1 (03:05:39):
Initially took place?

Speaker 5 (03:05:42):
So initially we got surrounded and no, I believe they
were on one side of the car, and what side
of the car were they on the driver's side? And
everything was cordial at first, and then someone from the
back shouted something and then Jack Snyder replied back and
then things started getting out of hand. Then the car

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got surrounded.

Speaker 1 (03:06:04):
And when you say that things got out of hand,
what kind of things were happening?

Speaker 5 (03:06:07):
The tensions were escalating.

Speaker 1 (03:06:10):
And when you say tensions, were people arguing? They were
At some point in time, did anything happen? Where was
anything thrown out the car or did anybody touch the car?

Speaker 5 (03:06:20):
Yes, things were thrown and the people were on the
back of the car, bouncing on the on the the
rear bumpers. People were outside the passenger window, the backseat windows,
banging on the windows.

Speaker 1 (03:06:35):
And when that happened, what if anything happened next with
regards to the car.

Speaker 5 (03:06:40):
With regards to the car, things were just getting way
too out of hand. It's pretty scared at the moment.
And then I don't remember who shouted, but someone said
go and Jack Snyder hit the gas pedal and we went.

Speaker 1 (03:06:54):
And when you went, where did you go?

Speaker 5 (03:06:57):
We went down the road about two three houses, but
they're pretty spread out.

Speaker 1 (03:07:03):
And in State's forty nine. Can you see where you
went down the road?

Speaker 5 (03:07:11):
Yes, towards the top of the image, so somewhere in
this area here, yes, the.

Speaker 10 (03:07:17):
Record can reflect on pointing on the left side of
the on the right side of the picture, towards the
top of the Laurel of the Land were just before
the intersection of the farmhouse road the.

Speaker 1 (03:07:27):
Laurel of Land.

Speaker 3 (03:07:29):
Cardle allowed the record to reflect that thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:07:32):
The car went up that way. What if anything happened when.

Speaker 5 (03:07:36):
You were up there? The individuals inside of the car
got out, including myself and some shelting kids ran up
and they were talking with Lido, Jack and Tyler to
Silva and.

Speaker 1 (03:07:55):
Who if you can recall who exactly got out of
the car.

Speaker 5 (03:08:00):
At that moment, I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (03:08:03):
Uh did you get out of the car at some point?

Speaker 5 (03:08:05):
I did get out of the car at some point?

Speaker 1 (03:08:06):
Why did you get out of the car?

Speaker 7 (03:08:10):
Really?

Speaker 5 (03:08:10):
Because nothing good was happening there kind of walked into
a trap and wanted to escape.

Speaker 1 (03:08:18):
And uh, you said, other people from down the street
ran down, Yes, And did they speak to any of
you guys down the road?

Speaker 5 (03:08:25):
They did not speak to myself, Demetrios, Kenzie or Will.
We were sitting on the curb away from the car,
and they were talking to Tyler, Jack and Ledo.

Speaker 1 (03:08:38):
And when they were talking to Tyler and Jack, what
was the tone of the conversation. Not what they said,
but what was the tone of the back and forth?

Speaker 5 (03:08:47):
At first everything was cordial.

Speaker 1 (03:08:52):
And then.

Speaker 5 (03:08:55):
It escalated a little bit a little bit.

Speaker 7 (03:08:57):
Was there any argument going on?

Speaker 5 (03:08:59):
Not really too much shouting there was. I would say
it was pretty cordial at first.

Speaker 1 (03:09:04):
At some point, Well, let me ask you this. Did
you witness the shot and kids interacting with the defendant
and Tyler and Jack?

Speaker 7 (03:09:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:09:14):
And did you witness any physical altercation down the road
when when the kids came down the road?

Speaker 7 (03:09:19):
Was there any fighting? Physical fighting? Now?

Speaker 1 (03:09:23):
How long would you say the interaction was between between
your group.

Speaker 7 (03:09:27):
Of friends and the sis.

Speaker 5 (03:09:30):
I'd give it five minutes.

Speaker 25 (03:09:31):
Now I want to show you what's the Marcus States
exhibit the second. Now have you seen that before?

Speaker 1 (03:09:44):
I have you've seen that in my office?

Speaker 11 (03:09:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:09:46):
Now do you know whether or not that part of
the video.

Speaker 7 (03:09:50):
Happens before you get out of the car. After you
get out of the car.

Speaker 5 (03:09:53):
I believe it happened before.

Speaker 1 (03:09:54):
So you're kind of still in the car. A couple
of people get out, or three people get out, walk
down the road.

Speaker 7 (03:09:59):
You're in the car, and.

Speaker 1 (03:10:00):
At some point does Jack turn the car around and
come back?

Speaker 7 (03:10:04):
How does that happen to let us know how.

Speaker 5 (03:10:06):
The how I got what's how I got to the
curb area?

Speaker 1 (03:10:11):
Yeah, help us understand when you get out of the
car in relation to that that exhibit.

Speaker 5 (03:10:19):
That video was pretty much a blur. That's one part
of the night. It was new to me once you
showed me that video. Didn't exactly remember or recall exactly
how all those events went down. I can't say if
I got out of the car before that happened or
after that happened, but I know before the individuals went back,

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I was already out of the car with a couple
of my friends who I arrived with, sitting on the curb.

Speaker 1 (03:10:51):
So when you say the individuals went back, are you
referring to the kids from the Shelton group.

Speaker 5 (03:10:57):
No, I'm referring to Jack, Ledo and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (03:11:00):
Oh okay, so well, let me ask you this. At
some point, this is a small picture or a small
video of what happened down the road. Right, So at
some point in time, you get out of the car
with Will McKenzie and Dimitri, Yes, and you sit on
the curb.

Speaker 11 (03:11:16):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:11:18):
When you do that, is there an interaction between Tyler,
Jack and the defendant. Yes, can you please explain what
that interaction is like?

Speaker 5 (03:11:30):
So the interaction was, first of all, it was agitated.
The scene was tense. LDO was searching for a weapon
in the car. He was he said, Jack, where is
your knife? Where the f is your knife? And he
was looking around in the glove box and the center

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console and did not find anything. I'm sorry, I did
not see a knife.

Speaker 1 (03:12:00):
Uh. How was the defendant reacting prior to looking for
the knife?

Speaker 11 (03:12:08):
He was on edge?

Speaker 5 (03:12:08):
Why was he on edge because he was upset that
or he was upset from what happened to Jack's car?

Speaker 1 (03:12:16):
And what kind of things was he saying to make
you feel like he was upset? How was he acting?

Speaker 5 (03:12:24):
He's going pretty pretty insane. I'd say he was using
vulgar language, cussing Jack, look what the look? What the
f they did to your car?

Speaker 1 (03:12:40):
And after he said look what the f that they
did to your car, that's when he asked Jack, where's
the knife?

Speaker 5 (03:12:46):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:12:48):
How long would you say?

Speaker 7 (03:12:49):
That that was going on for down the street.

Speaker 5 (03:12:54):
That they were searching.

Speaker 1 (03:12:57):
That the defendant was acting aggressive manner and cursing and
going insane because of what happened to the car and
then looking.

Speaker 5 (03:13:05):
For the knife no more than thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (03:13:10):
And you indicated that you did not see a knife.

Speaker 5 (03:13:13):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (03:13:13):
Do you know whether or not the defendant and ended
up finding a knife.

Speaker 5 (03:13:20):
After the facts, right, But at the moment I assume
he found a knife, but in the moment did not
see a knife. And believe for the rest of the
night that he never found a knie because I never
saw one.

Speaker 1 (03:13:30):
Now, when you say that the three of them went
back down the street. Before they go back down the street,
was there any talk about going back down the street
by the defendant?

Speaker 5 (03:13:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:13:43):
What was he saying?

Speaker 5 (03:13:46):
I don't remember the exact words they were saying, but
there was conversation. I was too far away to hear
the exact words. And they got back in and drove down.

Speaker 1 (03:13:59):
Now not telling us what either Jack or Tyler said.
Did any of those two individuals try to talk the
defendant out of going back down the street?

Speaker 5 (03:14:09):
Tyler?

Speaker 16 (03:14:09):
Did it?

Speaker 1 (03:14:10):
Now, at some point in time, you indicate that the
car leaves to go down the street.

Speaker 5 (03:14:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:14:20):
Do you see who gets in Jack's car before going
down the street?

Speaker 5 (03:14:24):
Yes? Jack was driving and Lido and Tyler de Sola.

Speaker 1 (03:14:32):
And when the car goes down the street. How long
would you say the car was down the street for.

Speaker 5 (03:14:38):
Before it returned, No more than five minutes.

Speaker 1 (03:14:43):
And when it was down the street, what did you what,
if anything did you hear when it was down the street.

Speaker 5 (03:14:50):
So it went down the street and the four of
us were talking among ourselves trying to really figure out
what was going on and how we ended up in
the situation, and they drove down and you can kind
of hear the tire screech a little bit, and so
you know, the car is stopping and you can't see it,

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but you could hear it. One because we were far away,
Two because it was dark. Three there might have been
something obstructing our view. You hear a lot of yelling,
but it wasn't high pitch yelling, which came next. It
was more of a rowdy yelling, shouting, and then eventually

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it turned into a very high pitch scream.

Speaker 1 (03:15:41):
And after about five minutes of the the yelling and
then high pitch screaming, did you witness the car return?

Speaker 5 (03:15:51):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:15:52):
And when the car returned, did you were you able
to witness what Tyler DeSilva looked like?

Speaker 7 (03:16:00):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:16:00):
And what did he look like?

Speaker 5 (03:16:03):
He was bleeding a lot, bruised everywhere. I asked him
a simple question and I didn't really get an answer.
So he was just about unconscious.

Speaker 1 (03:16:14):
And were you able to witness what the defendant looked like?

Speaker 5 (03:16:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:16:18):
And what did How did the defendant.

Speaker 7 (03:16:20):
Appear to you?

Speaker 5 (03:16:23):
Shocked? He had like a shocked look on his face.
Didn't look as battered as Tyler. Disilva was nowhere near,
but I wasn't inspecting him.

Speaker 4 (03:16:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:16:36):
At some point in time, when you Will, dmitri and
mcken's you were waiting down the road, were able to
make arrangements to get another ride home? Yes, so how
did that come about?

Speaker 5 (03:16:48):
So once we were sitting on the curb, Carolyn, Carolyn,
who was Will's girlfriend at the time, was picking him up.
So Will was getting his ride home. And by the
time the car returned from or before I saw Tyler
and Ledo after what happened, Will was already gone. His

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girlfriend picked him up, so he was gone. It was
just me, Demetrios and Mackenzie. And Mackenzie asked us if
we needed a ride and her sister could bring us some.

Speaker 7 (03:17:23):
And did you in fact get into the car with Kenzie.

Speaker 1 (03:17:27):
Again? This is exhibit forty four. What have you watched
real quick? Is that Jack's car taken off? Yes, these
individuals in the road getting into the car here, that's.

Speaker 5 (03:17:43):
You and myself, Mackenzie and Demetrios.

Speaker 1 (03:17:48):
And that's at about eleven fifty five at night.

Speaker 5 (03:17:51):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (03:17:53):
In the high pitched screaming in the background.

Speaker 7 (03:17:55):
You hear that?

Speaker 5 (03:17:56):
I did not hear it. So when.

Speaker 1 (03:18:00):
Jack's car took off, do you know who left in
Jack's car with him, Tyler? And who got into Mackenzie's
sisters car?

Speaker 5 (03:18:12):
So it was myself in, Demitrios and Mackenzie, And then
I shut the door. And then after Leedo got in.

Speaker 7 (03:18:22):
Leedo got into the defendant.

Speaker 1 (03:18:24):
Yes, And when he got in did where did he
sit in the car?

Speaker 7 (03:18:28):
Do you remember?

Speaker 5 (03:18:33):
Rear side or back right?

Speaker 1 (03:18:36):
And where were you seated in the car right next
to him in the middle?

Speaker 5 (03:18:41):
In the middle?

Speaker 1 (03:18:42):
And on the car ride from withdrawn when you guys
left Laurel Glenn, who was the first to get dropped off?

Speaker 5 (03:18:51):
Myself in Demetrios.

Speaker 1 (03:18:52):
And how long was the ride from Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 7 (03:18:55):
To your house?

Speaker 5 (03:18:57):
Say eight minutes?

Speaker 1 (03:18:58):
And in that eight minute ride did the defendant say
anything in the eight minute right over. No, that eight
minute ride, we were able to observe whether or not
he had any blood on him.

Speaker 5 (03:19:11):
I did not see any.

Speaker 1 (03:19:14):
Did it appear that he had been in a fight.
You can assume so, but you didn't see it didn't appear.

Speaker 7 (03:19:21):
So no, no for the question, John, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:19:27):
Okay, cross exam.

Speaker 6 (03:19:30):
Good afternoon, mister for a second, Good afternoon. We've never
met before.

Speaker 5 (03:19:34):
Nice to meet you.

Speaker 6 (03:19:35):
We've never met before.

Speaker 5 (03:19:37):
True.

Speaker 6 (03:19:37):
Okay, you're nervous today, of course, first time testifying in court.

Speaker 1 (03:19:42):
It is.

Speaker 6 (03:19:44):
I'm just gonna go over with you some of your testimony. Okay,
sounds good. Now, in this case, this isn't the first
time that you've spoken about this particular matter. Right, No,
you mentioned you've met with the States Attorney a few times. Correct.

Speaker 7 (03:20:01):
Correct, he showed you some videos. Correct. Correct, he showed
you these two videos that we saw today.

Speaker 6 (03:20:07):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (03:20:08):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:20:09):
Have you also seen another video of the fight that
took place in the front of Laurel Glen Drive. No,
you've never seen a fight where Tyler de Silva is
down on the ground. No, are you aware that such
a video exists?

Speaker 5 (03:20:26):
I've heard chat about it.

Speaker 6 (03:20:31):
And in your case, you spoke. You gave two statements.

Speaker 1 (03:20:34):
Right.

Speaker 6 (03:20:35):
You spoke with Detective Zonadi and Nugent on May sixteenth,
sounds direct, and again with Detective Bengo and mcpadden on
September one. Correct. Yes, you were telling us about being
at five Lazy Brook Road earlier. Do you recall that?

Speaker 11 (03:20:55):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:20:56):
And you were invited to that party.

Speaker 7 (03:20:59):
By whom.

Speaker 5 (03:21:01):
I don't recall whom but friends.

Speaker 6 (03:21:05):
Did you see Austin Lafeer there?

Speaker 11 (03:21:07):
I did?

Speaker 6 (03:21:08):
And what was Austin Life for doing while you were there?

Speaker 5 (03:21:13):
Drinking like everybody else?

Speaker 6 (03:21:15):
And you told us that you had gone outside with
somebody that was ill and throwing up? Do you remember
that I did? Was that Austin Lafer?

Speaker 18 (03:21:23):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:21:23):
Did you see Austin Life for while you were outside?

Speaker 1 (03:21:26):
No?

Speaker 16 (03:21:29):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (03:21:30):
And you told us that you were there around one
to two hours before these other kids who you said
were uninvited, right?

Speaker 7 (03:21:37):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (03:21:38):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 6 (03:21:39):
And you were there for one to two hours as
well as mister Snyder and mister Valley and mister de Silva.

Speaker 5 (03:21:46):
We were there rough with the same amount of time.

Speaker 6 (03:21:49):
You didn't see anybody try to kick them out of
that party?

Speaker 5 (03:21:53):
Please rephrase that.

Speaker 6 (03:21:55):
So you didn't see anybody try to tell them to
leave that party while you were there for that one
to two hours, did.

Speaker 5 (03:21:59):
You you're talking about the defendant, Yes, and it's Matt
night Or and.

Speaker 6 (03:22:03):
Mister everybody was kicked out at that point, yes, But
before that, no, you didn't see anybody tell them that
they had to leave. No, And you saw a photograph earlier.

Speaker 1 (03:22:17):
That's it's Exhibits.

Speaker 6 (03:22:22):
Fifty three.

Speaker 26 (03:22:23):
Do you see that?

Speaker 1 (03:22:26):
Can you see that on your on your screen?

Speaker 4 (03:22:27):
There?

Speaker 1 (03:22:28):
No? Herby technical difficult.

Speaker 6 (03:22:33):
Okay, you can see it now, I do. Is that
photograph taken at the lifer's house?

Speaker 5 (03:22:41):
I believe so, Yes, here's to be yes.

Speaker 6 (03:22:43):
Can you identify either of these two folks in the background. Cannot,
But for the best of your knowledge, that was taken
down there in the basement, because you recognize the basement
where you work.

Speaker 5 (03:22:54):
Correct if it's from the same night, I assume it's
the basement.

Speaker 6 (03:23:02):
Well do you recall these outfits being the clothes that
they were wearing?

Speaker 5 (03:23:07):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:23:08):
And did you see mister Valley that evening wearing some
sort of neck pillow around his neck?

Speaker 5 (03:23:14):
I don't recall seeing that.

Speaker 6 (03:23:15):
Now do you recall seeing him wearing this motorcycle ALM. No,
does this banner on the back wall does that look.

Speaker 1 (03:23:24):
Familiar to you?

Speaker 5 (03:23:26):
I didn't pay too much attention to the decor.

Speaker 1 (03:23:29):
Anything about that looked to you like.

Speaker 6 (03:23:31):
It's the basement where you were.

Speaker 1 (03:23:33):
Hanging out for one to two hours.

Speaker 5 (03:23:35):
It's safe to say it is.

Speaker 6 (03:23:36):
Okay, so you were there for one to two hours.
This photograph you think was taken there in that basement.
That's mister Valley and mister Snyder.

Speaker 7 (03:23:46):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:23:47):
Yes, you don't recall anybody telling them, hey, you're not invited.
You got to get out of here.

Speaker 5 (03:23:52):
That never happened.

Speaker 6 (03:23:55):
And while you were there, you were drinking bush light.
You told us, yes, you had three beers.

Speaker 7 (03:24:01):
Three three, and.

Speaker 6 (03:24:05):
You said at some point you became aware that three
uninvited individuals showed up. Did you actually see them show up? No,
you were outside at that point.

Speaker 5 (03:24:15):
My buddy was vomiting.

Speaker 7 (03:24:16):
And what was your buddy's name again? Ryan?

Speaker 1 (03:24:19):
Ryan?

Speaker 11 (03:24:19):
Ryan?

Speaker 6 (03:24:22):
Was he also a Saint Joe's student?

Speaker 5 (03:24:23):
Who was.

Speaker 6 (03:24:26):
And you didn't see the fight that occurred in front
of five Lacey Broke did not. But when you got
back to the driveway, you said you saw a cargo
driving by and you heard some shouting coming from that car.

Speaker 5 (03:24:39):
There was shouting.

Speaker 7 (03:24:40):
What was the shouting?

Speaker 9 (03:24:43):
You?

Speaker 5 (03:24:45):
And then some vulgar language, some vulgar.

Speaker 7 (03:24:47):
Language, Okay?

Speaker 6 (03:24:48):
Did that appear to be directed at anyone the people
in the driveway and in the driveway did that still
include mister Snyder, mister de Silva, and mister Valley.

Speaker 5 (03:25:00):
I can't recall if they were in the driveway still
or who was out there. I would assume so.

Speaker 6 (03:25:08):
And at that point you told us you were concerned
about trying to get home right. Yes, and you had
with you Dimetrios Orfanis, who had been planning to sleep
over at your house that night. Yes, and Will Sindwall nights.

Speaker 5 (03:25:22):
I don't know if Will was supposed to sleep at
my house. I can't recall what our plans with Will wear.
But if you needed someplace to sleep, it would have
been my house.

Speaker 7 (03:25:32):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:25:32):
He was a friend of yours. He was. And the
three of you were offered a ride by Jack Snyder.

Speaker 5 (03:25:38):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:25:38):
Had you ever ridden with Jack Snyder before?

Speaker 1 (03:25:41):
Not?

Speaker 5 (03:25:42):
To my knowledge.

Speaker 6 (03:25:43):
Was he somebody that you were close with.

Speaker 5 (03:25:46):
In school?

Speaker 6 (03:25:47):
Yes, Tyler Desilvo, was he somebody that you were close
with in school, yes, And Raoul Valley, was he somebody
that you were close with in school?

Speaker 5 (03:25:56):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:25:56):
When you say in school, what does that mean? Exactly?

Speaker 5 (03:26:00):
Like, we wouldn't go out of our ways to hang
out with each other outside of school.

Speaker 6 (03:26:06):
Okay, but on this night at least you happened to
be at the same party.

Speaker 5 (03:26:10):
Yes, we'd see each other at numerous parties before, okay.

Speaker 6 (03:26:15):
And so when you got into Jack's car, it was yourself,
Jack Snyder, Tyler de Silva, Raoul Valley, correct, Yes, Demetrios,
will Sendwald and McKenzie traffic anting sounds right. And so
there were seven of you in that pilot. Anybody else?

Speaker 1 (03:26:34):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:26:36):
And when you were in the.

Speaker 6 (03:26:38):
Car, what did it sound like in the car?

Speaker 5 (03:26:42):
There was no music played, no.

Speaker 6 (03:26:44):
Music plane, No, so you could hear everybody talking?

Speaker 7 (03:26:53):
No, okay.

Speaker 9 (03:26:55):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (03:26:55):
Where were you seated in the back in the back
as far as the trunk area, or in the back
as far.

Speaker 5 (03:27:04):
As the route in the trunk area, in the seat.

Speaker 6 (03:27:08):
Directly behind a passenger and the driver?

Speaker 11 (03:27:10):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:27:12):
And which end of that seat were you on?

Speaker 5 (03:27:18):
I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (03:27:19):
Were you by a door, I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (03:27:22):
I was in the back row of seats.

Speaker 6 (03:27:25):
Who were you sitting beside?

Speaker 5 (03:27:30):
I don't remember. I just remember Jack was driving and
the six on other individuals, including myself, were in the car.

Speaker 6 (03:27:37):
Do you remember Dimitrios being in the trunk area?

Speaker 5 (03:27:40):
That I do remember?

Speaker 6 (03:27:41):
Okay? Why do you remember that in particular?

Speaker 5 (03:27:43):
Because when we were surrounded outside the rich House, I
looked back to him and said, we we have to
get out of here.

Speaker 6 (03:27:50):
Was he the only one that was in the trunk area?

Speaker 5 (03:27:54):
Will Sindwald could have been, but he was in the car.

Speaker 6 (03:27:59):
And and that you were shown a photograph showing you
States Exhibited thirty. I'm trying to show you States Exhibit thirty.
There we go, and you identified that.

Speaker 7 (03:28:15):
As the vehicle that you were riding in.

Speaker 5 (03:28:17):
It was a Honda Pilot.

Speaker 6 (03:28:19):
And when you got in the vehicle that night, it
did not have this shattered.

Speaker 5 (03:28:23):
Windshielded When I initially got in, you initially got it.

Speaker 6 (03:28:31):
And you told us that you went over to Trumbull
High School at that point, right, we did, and you
met up with some girls there. You said, yes, were
those also girls from the party that you had just
been at?

Speaker 5 (03:28:42):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:28:42):
Okay, how did you know to meet up with them there?
At Trumbull High.

Speaker 5 (03:28:47):
School outside the Lifer household. Everybody was piling into cars
to try to find rides home, and we ended up
mutually going to Trumbull.

Speaker 6 (03:29:00):
Was that a sort of known meetup spot?

Speaker 7 (03:29:03):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:29:06):
You saw two other folks there that night too, right,
not just the girls. There was a car with two
gentlemen that right. Yes, do you remember who they were?

Speaker 7 (03:29:14):
Yes? Who was that?

Speaker 6 (03:29:19):
I know one of them was in there, Shane Shane
coach coach and was one of them Mike Bagley sounds
about right, okay? And they were in a white BMW.

Speaker 5 (03:29:28):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:29:29):
And how do you know those two individuals?

Speaker 5 (03:29:33):
I grew up with them.

Speaker 6 (03:29:34):
Were they also students at Saint Jose?

Speaker 5 (03:29:36):
There were students at trumble High School?

Speaker 6 (03:29:38):
Okay, they were students at Trumbul High The other two girls, though,
they were students at Saint Jose.

Speaker 5 (03:29:43):
Which girls are you referring to.

Speaker 6 (03:29:45):
The two girls that you met at Trumbull High School?

Speaker 5 (03:29:48):
I believe so. Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:29:50):
And when you got to Trumbull High School, did you
tell us that everybody.

Speaker 7 (03:29:53):
Got out of the car.

Speaker 5 (03:29:55):
Mostly everybody got out of the car. Can't exactly remember
how it all happened, but.

Speaker 6 (03:30:06):
People were scattered okay, And how long did the ride
from five Lacey Brooke to Trumbull High School take?

Speaker 5 (03:30:16):
A few minutes?

Speaker 7 (03:30:18):
Three or four?

Speaker 11 (03:30:19):
Five or six?

Speaker 5 (03:30:22):
Five or six?

Speaker 7 (03:30:22):
Five or six minutes?

Speaker 6 (03:30:24):
Now drinking in the car on the way there? No,
was there alcohol in the car.

Speaker 5 (03:30:29):
There could have been. I don't work all.

Speaker 6 (03:30:30):
You didn't see anybody drinking. No, you didn't drink yourself.

Speaker 1 (03:30:35):
No.

Speaker 7 (03:30:38):
And you said you stayed there for about.

Speaker 5 (03:30:40):
Twenty minutes, right, sounds about right?

Speaker 7 (03:30:42):
Yes? And then you got back.

Speaker 6 (03:30:44):
Into Jack's car and you thought that you were going
home to your house, right, yes, because Jack had told
you that he was going to be your ride home.

Speaker 5 (03:30:53):
Right, Because my ride when I got to the Life
for Household left so I didn't have a ride. Jack
said he could.

Speaker 7 (03:31:00):
Bring me home, And.

Speaker 6 (03:31:06):
Everybody got back into the car.

Speaker 5 (03:31:08):
At that point, right, The seven individuals that were in
the car leaving the Lifer Household got back in the car, and.

Speaker 6 (03:31:18):
Nobody said where you were going at that point you
just told us you assumed that you were going.

Speaker 7 (03:31:23):
Home, right.

Speaker 5 (03:31:24):
I assumed I was going home with the Metrios and
Will or maybe Will was getting dropped off after my house.
Compared to everybody else, is the closest to Trumbullhigh, so
I assumed I was going.

Speaker 6 (03:31:36):
Home first, gotch Nobody said, hey, we're going somewhere else, right,
Not that I remember. And I think you told us
that you while you were there. Well, who were you
talking to while you were outside of the car at Trumbleized.

Speaker 5 (03:31:54):
I can't recall everybody I talked to or even know
who I talked to. It just wasn't I wasn't talking
to Lido, Jack and Tyler.

Speaker 6 (03:32:06):
Okay, so you said they were somewhere among themselves.

Speaker 5 (03:32:11):
That sounds right.

Speaker 6 (03:32:12):
Did you see them or you just assumed that it
was safe to assume, so you didn't see them.

Speaker 5 (03:32:20):
I saw that they weren't with me, so that means
they have to be together.

Speaker 6 (03:32:27):
But you didn't actually see them together, is what I'm asking.

Speaker 5 (03:32:32):
I wasn't focusing my attention on them.

Speaker 6 (03:32:34):
I understand that you were talking to other people. Yes,
I'm just saying you assumed that they were somewhere together,
but you didn't actually see them somewhere together?

Speaker 5 (03:32:43):
Did you? They were at the car?

Speaker 6 (03:32:46):
Oh, you saw them at the car?

Speaker 5 (03:32:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:32:48):
Where were they at the car?

Speaker 5 (03:32:51):
I can't recall if they were inside or outside? But
I was not near the car, so I wasn't with them.

Speaker 6 (03:33:00):
You don't have a clear recollection of seeing them together
at the car, right, Yes, Okay, that's yes. You don't
have a clear recollection.

Speaker 5 (03:33:12):
Right. Please repeat that.

Speaker 6 (03:33:17):
You said yes, and it was either you do have
a clear recollection of them being at the car or
you don't have.

Speaker 7 (03:33:22):
A clear recollection.

Speaker 5 (03:33:23):
Yes, I have a clear recollection. They were at the car.

Speaker 6 (03:33:25):
You have a clear recollection. I was not seeing them
at the car. Yes, you just said that they could
have been in the car. They could have been out
of the car, in the car or out of the car.

Speaker 5 (03:33:32):
It's been three years. I'm sorry, it's been three years.

Speaker 6 (03:33:35):
I understand that, sir. I'm just asking you what your
recollection is. You said they could have been in the car,
They could have been out of the car. Now you're
telling me you have a clear recollection. Were they in
the car? Were they out of the car?

Speaker 5 (03:33:49):
I guess my recollection is not clear enough. They were
around the car, okay?

Speaker 6 (03:33:56):
And do you recall what they were doing when they
were around the car?

Speaker 5 (03:34:04):
Most likely chatting?

Speaker 6 (03:34:07):
Not what were they most likely doing?

Speaker 22 (03:34:09):
Sir?

Speaker 6 (03:34:09):
What do you recall them doing when you've told us
now that they were around.

Speaker 5 (03:34:13):
The car chatting.

Speaker 6 (03:34:15):
You saw them chatting? Yes, what did you see in
their hands?

Speaker 5 (03:34:22):
I don't recall seeing anything in their hands.

Speaker 6 (03:34:26):
You sure you're not assuming that they must have been
there because you don't recall seeing them with your groups
of friends that you were talking to.

Speaker 1 (03:34:32):
I'm gonna object based on little argumentative I mean.

Speaker 5 (03:34:36):
I'm gonna ask you to repeat that. Please.

Speaker 6 (03:34:40):
Are you sure that you're not assuming that they must
have been by the car because you don't recall seeing
them with the groups of friends.

Speaker 5 (03:34:46):
That you were with. So where we were we were
near the baseball field at trumble High. The car was
parked maybe twenty feet away. We were sitting near a
curb or talking to a car near the curb, so
they were in our point of view.

Speaker 6 (03:35:05):
So yes, I saw Okay, so you did see them
at the car. Yes, you saw them inside the car?

Speaker 1 (03:35:11):
Objection asked an answer.

Speaker 3 (03:35:13):
I'll allow to follow up. There's been some confusion. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (03:35:17):
They were in the car, not outside the car.

Speaker 5 (03:35:20):
They were in the car.

Speaker 6 (03:35:20):
They were in the car. They were in the car,
windows up or windows down.

Speaker 5 (03:35:27):
I don't recall.

Speaker 6 (03:35:28):
And when you left the parking lot at Trumbull High school.
You said you knew that you weren't going to your
house because the car took a left to Shelton, right yes,
And you live in Trumbule.

Speaker 5 (03:35:43):
I do.

Speaker 6 (03:35:44):
And at that point you said you assumed that they
were going to drop off McKenzie because you knew she
lived in Shelton, right yes. And nobody said, hey, we're
leaving right now and we're going somewhere, correct, No, nobody
said it. The car just started following this.

Speaker 7 (03:36:01):
Direction, right yes.

Speaker 5 (03:36:04):
I assumed that was going home.

Speaker 6 (03:36:06):
And there was another car following you right at the
white BMW it was, and that was Shane Coacher and
Mike Bagley's car.

Speaker 5 (03:36:18):
They don't share a car. I believe it was Shane's car.

Speaker 6 (03:36:23):
It was Shane's car. Mike Bagley was with him. Yes,
And you saw them following.

Speaker 5 (03:36:29):
You, they were going to follow me.

Speaker 6 (03:36:35):
And how long was the ride from Trumbull High School
to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 5 (03:36:44):
More than five minutes?

Speaker 6 (03:36:45):
More than five minutes, less than ten.

Speaker 5 (03:36:51):
I don't recall the exact timeframe, but it was more
than five minutes.

Speaker 7 (03:36:54):
Had you been there before?

Speaker 11 (03:36:55):
I have not.

Speaker 6 (03:36:56):
And you said that initially the car came up to
forty three Laurel Glenn. But drove by it, right, Yes,
when you drove by, you could see that there were
people already outside of forty three Lao Glen. Yes, how
many people?

Speaker 5 (03:37:13):
I can't put an exact number on it, but it
was less than the amount of people that surrounded the
car once we turned around.

Speaker 6 (03:37:22):
Okay, and you said that was at least twenty people, right, Yes,
could have been as many as thirty could have been.
And so when you drove by the house the first time,
was it ten people in the yard? Fifteen people in
the yard?

Speaker 5 (03:37:35):
I can't put an exact number on it.

Speaker 6 (03:37:38):
Was it five people in the yard?

Speaker 1 (03:37:40):
Objection astin answer?

Speaker 6 (03:37:42):
You drove by, you saw these people in the yard,
and then the car turned around at the cul de sac.
Was that down at farmhouse Lane where the car stopped
later on?

Speaker 5 (03:37:52):
I'd have to look at a map. But we drove
by the rich house and turned around.

Speaker 7 (03:38:01):
I was a phrasic.

Speaker 6 (03:38:02):
I don't mean to surprise you, but I'm going to
come around you.

Speaker 1 (03:38:04):
Now and show you what is on the Easel State's
Exhibit one.

Speaker 6 (03:38:12):
And see if that can help us a little bit. Okay,
you got a pointer there beside you do you see
the red dot. Yes, does that look like forty three
Laurel Glenn that we saw in the other pictures?

Speaker 5 (03:38:25):
It does.

Speaker 6 (03:38:26):
And did the car that you were riding in come
up Adams Drive and turn left onto Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 5 (03:38:32):
I don't recall the exact route we took in okay.

Speaker 6 (03:38:36):
But at some point you went past forty three Laurel Glenn, right.

Speaker 5 (03:38:41):
We were in front of Laurel Glenn and then turned
around at the cul de sac.

Speaker 6 (03:38:46):
And when you say turned around at the cul de sac,
which cul de sac are you describing using that exhibit.

Speaker 7 (03:38:51):
One in front of you?

Speaker 5 (03:38:52):
There's only one up there.

Speaker 7 (03:38:53):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:38:55):
So you went down to the end of Adam's Drive
and turned around, yes, and that is different than the
other end of the street where you have the intersection
with Laurel Glenn and farmhouse lands.

Speaker 7 (03:39:08):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:39:11):
Yes, So you were in the vehicle and it drives past.
You can see people in the yard, go up to
the end of Adam's drive. Car turns around right, Yes,
And at that point where did the vehicle go.

Speaker 5 (03:39:29):
After we turned around? Yes, it was back out in
front of the rich household.

Speaker 6 (03:39:36):
And when you say back out in front of the.

Speaker 5 (03:39:38):
Rich house in front of the driveway.

Speaker 1 (03:39:41):
Blocking the driveway so the cars couldn't get out.

Speaker 5 (03:39:44):
I don't believe it was blocking the driveway, but it
was in the road.

Speaker 1 (03:39:49):
I'm going to show you States Exhibit forty nine. Can
you see that up on your street?

Speaker 5 (03:39:52):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (03:39:53):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (03:39:54):
And can you describe for us using this picture.

Speaker 5 (03:39:58):
Of where that car parked, where the driveway meets the road,
but in the middle of the road.

Speaker 7 (03:40:06):
In the middle of the road, it was not in
the driveway, Not in the driveway.

Speaker 1 (03:40:10):
Yes, closer to the other side of the street or closer.

Speaker 5 (03:40:13):
To the driveway I can't recall.

Speaker 6 (03:40:19):
And then at that point the car stopped correct.

Speaker 11 (03:40:22):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:40:23):
And you said that.

Speaker 6 (03:40:27):
At least twenty people surrounded the car.

Speaker 7 (03:40:30):
Right, Not at first okay?

Speaker 5 (03:40:33):
They were on the driver's side.

Speaker 11 (03:40:35):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:40:36):
How many people were there at first on the driver's
side under twenty? Under twenty?

Speaker 7 (03:40:42):
Yes, more than ten?

Speaker 5 (03:40:45):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:40:46):
And you said at first they were only on the
driver's side, and that at first it was peaceful.

Speaker 5 (03:40:52):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:40:53):
What was peaceful about it? Can you describe what was happening?

Speaker 5 (03:40:58):
There wasn't any shouting, I would say that's peaceful, okay.

Speaker 6 (03:41:05):
Were people talking?

Speaker 5 (03:41:07):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:41:08):
Were the windows rolled down.

Speaker 5 (03:41:12):
Mine was not. I believe the only window rolled down
was the driver's side window.

Speaker 6 (03:41:16):
When you say yours was not. Where were you in
the back and you were near a window? You were
up against a door.

Speaker 5 (03:41:23):
I don't recall what I was in a back seat
and the nearest window would have been one of those
two windows in the back.

Speaker 6 (03:41:30):
Was there any music on inside the car as you
drove there?

Speaker 5 (03:41:33):
I can't recall.

Speaker 6 (03:41:36):
And you said people were talking, correct, amongst themselves? When
you say amongst themselves? Is that within the vehicle itself
or between the two groups.

Speaker 5 (03:41:50):
When we were surrounded or when they're on the driver's
side like that time.

Speaker 6 (03:41:54):
When they're on the driver's side, And you've described it
as being peaceful and people were talking, who was talking?

Speaker 5 (03:41:59):
Was that with in the car or was that between
the two it was between the two groups.

Speaker 6 (03:42:02):
Okay, did you hear any threats being made.

Speaker 5 (03:42:10):
At first? Now?

Speaker 6 (03:42:12):
Did you see any weapons?

Speaker 1 (03:42:14):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:42:16):
And then you said things started getting out of hand?

Speaker 11 (03:42:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (03:42:20):
Sounds right?

Speaker 6 (03:42:21):
You described tensions were escalating, right, sounds right? And was
mister Valley uttering threats at that point?

Speaker 5 (03:42:33):
I can't recall mister Valley talking at that point.

Speaker 6 (03:42:36):
You don't recall mister Valley talking to any of the
people outside the vehicle?

Speaker 7 (03:42:39):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 5 (03:42:40):
Fair?

Speaker 6 (03:42:41):
And do you recall where miss Trafficanty was.

Speaker 5 (03:42:46):
I can't recall what she was in the car?

Speaker 6 (03:42:49):
She was in the car?

Speaker 5 (03:42:50):
She was?

Speaker 6 (03:42:50):
Was she sitting on mister Valley's lap?

Speaker 5 (03:42:54):
I can't exactly recall.

Speaker 6 (03:42:58):
Your attention was directed to the people outside the vehicle
that were becoming more aggressive? Is that fair to say?

Speaker 5 (03:43:04):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:43:04):
And you've described that things were being thrown at the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:43:08):
Things were thrown?

Speaker 6 (03:43:09):
Do you know what was being thrown?

Speaker 5 (03:43:11):
Objects?

Speaker 7 (03:43:12):
What kind of objects?

Speaker 5 (03:43:14):
Hard objects?

Speaker 7 (03:43:15):
Hard objects?

Speaker 6 (03:43:16):
Do you know? Can you describe any of those objects?

Speaker 11 (03:43:18):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (03:43:19):
How did you know they were hard objects?

Speaker 5 (03:43:20):
Because it made a loud sound.

Speaker 7 (03:43:22):
As they hit the car?

Speaker 5 (03:43:23):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:43:23):
Did you hear glass shatter?

Speaker 5 (03:43:25):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (03:43:28):
You said that people were on the back of the car, yes,
like on the bumper, on the bumper, standing on it,
standing on the bumper, bouncing up and down, bouncing.

Speaker 5 (03:43:38):
Up and down.

Speaker 6 (03:43:38):
You could feel that inside the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:43:41):
If someone's bouncing on the bumper, the car bounces. How
many people were on the back I can't put a
number on it.

Speaker 7 (03:43:47):
More than one?

Speaker 6 (03:43:49):
I can't remember it answer, Oh wow, you can't put
a number on. No, there were people on the passenger
side as well at.

Speaker 5 (03:43:57):
This point, once things got out of hand, yes, once.

Speaker 6 (03:44:02):
Things got out of hand as you've described it. In fact,
the car was completely surrounded, right, people on all sides. Yes,
at least twenty people at that point, yes, could have
been more, could have And you said you were pretty scared.
I was what did you think those people were going
to do to the car?

Speaker 1 (03:44:19):
You actually calls for speculation, sustained.

Speaker 7 (03:44:21):
What was scary about that to you?

Speaker 5 (03:44:26):
You're seven people trapped inside a car, people banging on it,
throwing things at it, bouncing the car.

Speaker 6 (03:44:33):
You weren't driving the car right, No, you had no
ability to make that car move, did you did not?
Why didn't you just get out the door and walk
away from the vehicle at that point?

Speaker 5 (03:44:42):
Because there was an individual right outside my window?

Speaker 6 (03:44:45):
And what was that individual right outside your window doing?

Speaker 5 (03:44:48):
Banging on the car?

Speaker 6 (03:44:50):
Banging on the door. Yes, how many people were on
the passenger side at that point, more than I could
count people in front of the vehicle as well, yes,
And could you hear a rumbling sound of fists and
feet kicking and punching the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:45:07):
I wouldn't call it rumbling. I can't remember the exact sound,
but you could definitely hear the car being hit.

Speaker 6 (03:45:15):
Did anybody get on the front of the car and
bounce up and down like.

Speaker 5 (03:45:17):
They did on the back, I don't believe so.

Speaker 6 (03:45:20):
Did you see anybody reach into the driver's side of
the vehicle. No, you didn't see anybody put their body
into the driver's.

Speaker 7 (03:45:29):
Side of the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:45:29):
I don't recall seeing any of that.

Speaker 6 (03:45:31):
Do you recall any sort of struggle between the driver,
Jack Snyder, and anybody from the group.

Speaker 7 (03:45:37):
No.

Speaker 5 (03:45:37):
I was too focus on what was going out around me.
I didn't have enough time or the attention to look
in front of me.

Speaker 6 (03:45:46):
You said at that point, you're pretty scared, and someone
said go right? Someone within the car did Someone in
the car said go? Someone outside of the car wouldn't
tell them to go. I'm sorry, someone outside of the
car wouldn't tell Jack Snyder to Somebody outside the car
would not tell Jack Snyder to go.

Speaker 5 (03:46:03):
Yes, it would not make sense.

Speaker 6 (03:46:06):
So somebody in the car said go. You felt the
gas be hit and the car starts going down the
road right, Yes, Did you have a sense of relief
at that point. I don't remember how I was feeling,
but I was not happy. Still scared, yes, terrified, that's
a good way to put it. And you said, towards

(03:46:28):
the top of the photo you were shown, which showed
the intersection of Laurel Glenn Drive and Farmhouse Lane, the
vehicle stopped right it did, and you saw on the
ring video people chasing the vehicle down there.

Speaker 5 (03:46:42):
Correct, that's what the video showed.

Speaker 7 (03:46:44):
Yes, do you recall that?

Speaker 5 (03:46:46):
I can't recall it. That's just a blank, just a blank.

Speaker 6 (03:46:51):
Yes, So you don't recall while the car was going
down towards Farmhouse Lane that things were being thrown at
the car.

Speaker 5 (03:47:00):
I don't remember any of that.

Speaker 7 (03:47:01):
You don't recall it being chased.

Speaker 5 (03:47:03):
I must have been in some sort of shock where
that part is just a blur. All I remember is
getting back on the curb.

Speaker 6 (03:47:12):
Could you identify yourself as one of those people who
got out of the car there and sat on the curb.

Speaker 5 (03:47:18):
I was within the four people that sat on the curb.

Speaker 6 (03:47:22):
So you say you were within the four people you
saw in that video that some people get out of
the car, but the car itself continued to move.

Speaker 5 (03:47:30):
Correct, that's what the video looked like.

Speaker 6 (03:47:33):
Yes, did you get out of the car before it
continued to move? I can't recall that, so you don't
know if you were one of those people that initially
got out before it moved. No, And when you got
out of the car and you went and sat on
the curb, where were you as far as using Exhibit
one there behind you? Can you show us where you

(03:47:53):
sat if you still have the pointer there, that might
be helpful.

Speaker 5 (03:48:00):
I believe we're around this area.

Speaker 6 (03:48:04):
Can the record reflect your honor that the witnesses pointing
to the area just in front of what has been
identified before as thirty.

Speaker 2 (03:48:13):
Six Laurel Glenn Cordial allowed the record to reflect that information?

Speaker 7 (03:48:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (03:48:17):
And which side of the road did you sit on.

Speaker 5 (03:48:24):
After driving away from the rich household? I was on
the right side of the road.

Speaker 6 (03:48:28):
You were on the right side of the road, so
you were closest to that house thirty six Laurel Glen
Drive as opposed to the other side of the road.

Speaker 5 (03:48:34):
Yes, I can't put a number on the house, but
I remember there was a house bind us and.

Speaker 6 (03:48:38):
You were on the side where the house was right
And who was there with you when you were there
by that.

Speaker 5 (03:48:48):
House, Mackenzie Dimitrios And well.

Speaker 6 (03:48:55):
So there's four of you there. How close are you
to one another?

Speaker 5 (03:48:59):
Pretty close as like you.

Speaker 6 (03:49:01):
Could reach out and touch all of them.

Speaker 5 (03:49:04):
I probably could have.

Speaker 6 (03:49:07):
And when you were there, where did the car go?

Speaker 7 (03:49:09):
The pilot that was driven by Jack Snipe?

Speaker 5 (03:49:15):
It went back towards the rich household. I'm sorry, it
went back towards the rich household.

Speaker 6 (03:49:21):
So immediately after you got out, the car turned around
and went back. The car was stationary, So the car
was stationary. Where was it when you were sitting on
the curb.

Speaker 5 (03:49:33):
I can't recall how far away it was, but it
was within view.

Speaker 7 (03:49:39):
It was within view, Yes it was.

Speaker 6 (03:49:41):
Can you point out on Exhibit one there where that
car was?

Speaker 5 (03:49:44):
I cannot.

Speaker 7 (03:49:45):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (03:49:46):
Now do you see the intersection there on Laurel Glenn
and Farmhouse Lane?

Speaker 5 (03:49:50):
I did?

Speaker 6 (03:49:51):
Was it at the intersection? I can't recall, So you
don't know if it was beyond that intersection. I can't recall.
You can't recall how far away that car was. No,
And while you were sitting on the curb, you told
us that the cars moved some distance away, but you

(03:50:12):
can't tell us how far away it was, but you
did see some Shelton High kids come running up from
the direction of forty three Lower Glint. You recall that, yes,
how many kids were coming running up?

Speaker 5 (03:50:24):
Can't put an exact number on it. I'd say less than.

Speaker 7 (03:50:27):
Five, less than five.

Speaker 6 (03:50:29):
Did you stay in this type group of four throughout
the course of while you were in front of that house,
or did people split up.

Speaker 7 (03:50:36):
A little bit?

Speaker 5 (03:50:37):
I can't recall they might have split up.

Speaker 6 (03:50:42):
You told us before that you felt like you'd walked
into a trap.

Speaker 5 (03:50:46):
Sounds right, And you said.

Speaker 6 (03:50:50):
That you were sitting on the curb away from the car,
and you couldn't hear what was being said between the
Shelton High kids and the other kids from Saint Chose right.

Speaker 5 (03:51:01):
I couldn't hear the exact words. You could obviously hear
that they're talking. Can't make out the words, but yes,
they were talking.

Speaker 6 (03:51:10):
You said, at first everything was cordial, right it was,
and then it escalated. It did, but you couldn't hear
what was being said. No, and the car was still
stationary at that point. It was. You don't know how
far away it was. Nope, you didn't see any fighting
going on between those groups.

Speaker 5 (03:51:30):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (03:51:31):
Did you ever see mister Valley over If you're looking
at exhibit one, just before the house where you've described
yourself as sitting, you see there's an area where there's
some woods or some bushes there. Yes, did you ever
see mister Valley in that area?

Speaker 5 (03:51:49):
If you don't mind you're talk Are you talking about
this area?

Speaker 6 (03:51:53):
No, sir, remember where you described yourself as being. Okay,
look if you would, just before that house, on the
same side where you've described yourself as sitting. Sorry, just
that there we go, see that area of bushes. Yes,
did you ever see mister Valley over there? No, because
he was down some direction away from that by the
car according to your recollection, right, Yes, you never saw

(03:52:15):
anybody spray mister Valley in the face with anything. No,
you never saw can of PD blaster being thrown. No,
and you think that that lasted about five minutes down there?

Speaker 1 (03:52:29):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (03:52:30):
Yes, it was pretty cordial.

Speaker 6 (03:52:32):
It was pretty cordial, But then you said it escalated.

Speaker 1 (03:52:35):
It did.

Speaker 6 (03:52:35):
What was the nature of the escalation.

Speaker 5 (03:52:39):
I believe it was between mister rich and Tita Silva.
He turned in a louder shouting, and then it almost
looks like one's trying to calm another down. It looks
like Tyler was trying to calm down Tyler Rich, who
was pretty hot.

Speaker 6 (03:52:57):
So now you can tell us that, in fact, you
could identify two of those people that you saw down
there as being Tyler Rich and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 5 (03:53:04):
I know it was those two people.

Speaker 7 (03:53:06):
How do you know Tyler Rich?

Speaker 5 (03:53:08):
I know his name from social media, i'd say.

Speaker 6 (03:53:15):
And Tyler Rich was one of the as many as
five kids from Shelton High that you saw down there,
he was among them. Could you identify any of the
other kids that were down there from Shelton High?

Speaker 5 (03:53:25):
I could not.

Speaker 6 (03:53:28):
Did you see mister Valley interacting with mister Rich?

Speaker 5 (03:53:33):
Maybe they were chatting, but I can't I can't put
a definite on that.

Speaker 6 (03:53:38):
Okay, See you couldn't tell you saw they were together?
Which way was the vehicle facing at that point?

Speaker 5 (03:53:46):
I can't recall which way?

Speaker 6 (03:53:48):
Did you see break lights or did you see headlights?

Speaker 5 (03:53:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:53:54):
With the doors open or closed, I don't know. You
saw mister Valley, mister d Silva, and mister Snyder all
outside of the car together.

Speaker 5 (03:54:05):
All three of them were outside the car which side
of the car were they on. I can't tell you that.

Speaker 6 (03:54:12):
Were they moving around from place to place?

Speaker 5 (03:54:15):
I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (03:54:17):
The vehicle stayed down further away from you in this
stationary position. Correct, Yes, until at some point you saw
three people get back into it and the vehicle drove
back to forty three Laurel.

Speaker 7 (03:54:33):
Gun Drive, right.

Speaker 5 (03:54:34):
Yes, three individuals got in the car and drove back
to Laurel Gung and.

Speaker 6 (03:54:38):
You, Mackenzie, Demetrius and Will were still on the curb
in that same spot.

Speaker 5 (03:54:45):
We were still on the curb.

Speaker 6 (03:54:47):
Did you ever get up and move around to get
closer to see what was going on.

Speaker 7 (03:54:50):
Down there.

Speaker 5 (03:54:52):
When they went back?

Speaker 6 (03:54:53):
No, when you were when this was going on what
you've described down as the intersection with the Shelton Hi kids.

Speaker 5 (03:54:57):
And the I can't recall. I believe we were on
the curb.

Speaker 6 (03:55:01):
You think you were just sitting on the curb. Yes,
And then you said you heard mister Valley say to
Jack Snyder, where's your knife? Where the fuck is your knife?

Speaker 5 (03:55:09):
Right? That did happen.

Speaker 6 (03:55:14):
That's the only thing that you heard while you were
seeing this interaction go on that you told us you
could not see or hear what else was going on?

Speaker 5 (03:55:23):
No, you actually asked. You didn't ask me when I
heard about the knife.

Speaker 7 (03:55:26):
Okay, it was.

Speaker 5 (03:55:27):
I can't put an exact timeframe on it, but it
was when I was either in the car just outside
the car. But it happened before the three of them
went back, and it happened after the seven of us
arrived initially on Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 6 (03:55:43):
Sometime between the time that you first got there and
were surrounded, yes, and the time that they went back.

Speaker 7 (03:55:52):
To the house.

Speaker 6 (03:55:54):
Yes, that's as close as you can tell us when
you claim to have heard this. Yes, So you could
have been in the vehicle when you heard this, or
you could have been on the curb when.

Speaker 7 (03:56:03):
You heard this.

Speaker 5 (03:56:05):
I don't think I was on the curb because I
saw with my eyes he was looking in the glove
compartment and the center console.

Speaker 6 (03:56:17):
Mister Valley was seated in the back seat.

Speaker 5 (03:56:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:56:23):
Well, sir, who was driving the car, Jack Snyder and
tylerdu Silva was the front passenger.

Speaker 7 (03:56:28):
Was he not?

Speaker 5 (03:56:29):
He could have been, I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (03:56:31):
But if Ledo Valley was seated in the back seat,
your recollection is that he was in the glove box
looking for a knife.

Speaker 5 (03:56:40):
If he happened to be in the back seat, I
think it's within and arms reached the center console in
the glove compartment, but I do not know if he
was in the shotgun seat or in the back.

Speaker 6 (03:56:54):
This Honda pilot, do you recall it being the interior
being somehow different than the tip car where the glovebox
is right in front.

Speaker 7 (03:57:02):
Of the passenger.

Speaker 5 (03:57:04):
Can you repeat that.

Speaker 6 (03:57:05):
I'm sure was there something different about this Honda Pilot
that the glove box was not directly in front of
the passenger.

Speaker 5 (03:57:12):
I don't believe so. I believe it was a normal car.

Speaker 6 (03:57:16):
But your recollection is that mister Valley was able to
reach into the glovebox and was tearing the whole place
apart trying to get it.

Speaker 5 (03:57:26):
The glovebox and the center console were being rummished through.

Speaker 7 (03:57:33):
And you said that.

Speaker 6 (03:57:36):
He was on edge and he was looking for the
knife because he was upset from what happened to Jack
Snyder's car. Right.

Speaker 5 (03:57:47):
I don't know exactly why he was looking for it,
but he was searching for it.

Speaker 6 (03:57:51):
Well, he told us he was in the glovebox. He
was on edge, he was upset from what had happened
to Jack Snyder's car. He was upset, right, So this
must have occurred after you had already gotten there and
the car had been surrounded.

Speaker 5 (03:58:09):
Right, sounds right?

Speaker 6 (03:58:12):
Okay, So did it happen as the car was driving
from in front of forty three Laurel Glenn to down
where you got out of the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:58:25):
It sounds about right.

Speaker 6 (03:58:26):
Okay, so now you can tell us, oh, actually you
know what that that is what happened. It was while
we drove from forty three Long Glenn down to thirty six.

Speaker 5 (03:58:34):
No, that's you narrowing it down, and it sounds right.

Speaker 7 (03:58:42):
It sounds right.

Speaker 6 (03:58:44):
Are you just agreeing with me to agree with me?

Speaker 5 (03:58:46):
Or do you have you wanted to be rummaging through
a glovebox? If there was no nothing going on, like
when we were just approaching, he would not be rummaging
through a glovebox.

Speaker 6 (03:58:58):
Do you recall the vehicle moving while he as you
put it, rummaging through the glovebox?

Speaker 5 (03:59:02):
Cannot recall.

Speaker 6 (03:59:04):
Do you recall him leaning up into the glovebox area?

Speaker 5 (03:59:10):
I cannot recall, but.

Speaker 7 (03:59:12):
You recall him being in the glovebox.

Speaker 5 (03:59:14):
The glovebox was opened and the center console was opened.

Speaker 7 (03:59:18):
You saw those things happen.

Speaker 6 (03:59:21):
Yes, Okay, did you see mister Snyder pull the knife
out of the console?

Speaker 1 (03:59:28):
No?

Speaker 6 (03:59:29):
Did you ever see mister Snyder with the knife?

Speaker 1 (03:59:33):
No?

Speaker 5 (03:59:33):
I never saw a knife.

Speaker 6 (03:59:34):
You never saw the knife.

Speaker 5 (03:59:35):
Never saw a.

Speaker 6 (03:59:36):
Knife of mister Snyder, mister d Silva and mister Valley.

Speaker 7 (03:59:40):
Who did you know best?

Speaker 5 (03:59:43):
I can't tell you that.

Speaker 11 (03:59:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:59:47):
They were all friends.

Speaker 6 (03:59:50):
They were all friends.

Speaker 5 (03:59:51):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (03:59:53):
How long had you known mister Snyder since freshman year?
How long had you known mister d Silva freshman year?
And how long had you known mister Valley freshman year?
All since freshman year? Yes, you were a sophomore at
this point. Yes, so you'd only known them for about
two school years.

Speaker 5 (04:00:12):
Sounds right.

Speaker 6 (04:00:13):
I never knew them before that. No, And you're certain
that this occurred while you were in the vehicle, I.

Speaker 5 (04:00:22):
Said in or around? In or around, Yes, I could
have been just outside the vehicle, but I was able
to see it.

Speaker 6 (04:00:28):
So when you say in or around, you mean you
might have been in the vehicle and you saw him
going into the glovebox, or you might have been outside
the vehicle on the curb and you saw him go
in the glovebox.

Speaker 5 (04:00:39):
No, okay, I was not on the curb when this occurred.
You're sure of that, now, Yes.

Speaker 6 (04:00:45):
What do you mean when you say around the vehicle?

Speaker 5 (04:00:51):
Within two feet outside the car?

Speaker 6 (04:00:53):
So you were outside the car?

Speaker 5 (04:00:55):
Possibly, I said, I could not recall whether I was
inside or outside, and you.

Speaker 6 (04:01:00):
Were within two feet. You couldn't tell us how far
away that car was before. But now you're saying that
when this happened, you read it in the car, or
you were outside of it, but only within two feet
of it.

Speaker 5 (04:01:15):
I didn't the knife looking for the knife or a
knife did not happen when I was on the curb.

Speaker 7 (04:01:23):
Well when did it happen when.

Speaker 5 (04:01:25):
I was either in the car? Because I saw it
with my own two eyes, either.

Speaker 6 (04:01:33):
When you were in the car would imply that there
is an or and you've told us before, or when
you were outside of the car.

Speaker 9 (04:01:39):
Right.

Speaker 5 (04:01:41):
Possibly could have been once we drove away and we
all started to get out of the car. Then I
went and sat on the curb. But it was before
I sat on the curb, before they went back, and
it happened after we arrived, So you.

Speaker 6 (04:02:00):
Can't be certain of where you were when this happened.

Speaker 7 (04:02:02):
Is that fair to say.

Speaker 5 (04:02:05):
I can be certain that I saw with my two eyes.

Speaker 6 (04:02:07):
You can't be certain of where you were when you
saw it with your two eyes.

Speaker 5 (04:02:10):
Is that fair to say I was within two feet
of the car, if not in the.

Speaker 6 (04:02:14):
Car when you're down in front of that house, was
the car only two feet away with you? When we're
where when you were down in front of the house
where you describe getting out on the curb was the
car only two feet away from you?

Speaker 7 (04:02:25):
Now?

Speaker 5 (04:02:25):
When I was on the curb, Yes, I told you
I couldn't put a number on the exact feet I
was from the car, but it was further than two.

Speaker 6 (04:02:32):
Feet, further than two feet right, so far away that
you couldn't hear what was going on down there.

Speaker 5 (04:02:37):
You told us That's what I said.

Speaker 6 (04:02:39):
Yes, But you think that you could see the glove
box rummaging going on?

Speaker 5 (04:02:47):
Like I said before, it did not happen when I
was on the curb. When I was on the curb,
that's when Tyler Rich and everybody came over and they
were talking. So it happened before I went and sat
on the curve.

Speaker 6 (04:03:00):
Happened either when you were in the car right or
when you were outside of the car, right, not on
the kurba, but you can't tell us. And in fact,
you told us you've never saw a knife that night, right,
never saw, but you heard about it afterwards, right. What

(04:03:22):
do you mean by that, Well, you told us afterwards
you came to learn that there was a claim of
a knife being involved.

Speaker 5 (04:03:28):
Right when the police contacted me.

Speaker 6 (04:03:31):
Yes, ah, so the police told you, hey, there was
a knife.

Speaker 7 (04:03:34):
Involved, right direction, just to what the police sustained.

Speaker 6 (04:03:38):
You learned from the police that they thought there was
a knife involved, right projection system.

Speaker 5 (04:03:46):
That's when I got clarification, okay.

Speaker 6 (04:03:51):
And then you told us that the four of you,
that being mckinseye Traffic, County, will sing Wald, Dimitrios Arfanos,
you were talking amongst yourselves on there right the vehicle left. Yes,
you could not see the car, but you could hear
some yelling going on.

Speaker 7 (04:04:09):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (04:04:10):
Correct, You heard a high pitched scream. You told us correct, correct,
And then the car returned right it did. And at
that point you were how far away from the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (04:04:23):
We got up and approached the vehicle, okay, And so you.

Speaker 6 (04:04:26):
Were close enough that you could see that Tyler Disilva
was bleeding, right, Yes, bleeding a lot. You said, right,
profusely bruised everywhere?

Speaker 5 (04:04:34):
Right, sounds right?

Speaker 6 (04:04:36):
And he I think you described him as being just
about unconscious, right, that's what I said. And you said
you could also see mister Bally.

Speaker 5 (04:04:45):
I could see him.

Speaker 1 (04:04:46):
I was.

Speaker 5 (04:04:46):
I was not inspecting him.

Speaker 6 (04:04:48):
Where was he in the car where?

Speaker 5 (04:04:51):
I can't tell you exactly.

Speaker 6 (04:04:53):
You don't know if he was in the passenger side
or in the back seat.

Speaker 5 (04:04:56):
I know Tyler des Silva was in the back seat.

Speaker 6 (04:04:57):
Tyler Disilva was in the back seat. Yes, you don't
know where you saw mister Valley could have been in
the backseat, could have could have been in the passenger seat.

Speaker 7 (04:05:06):
He could have could have been driving. No, No, who
was driving Jack Snyder the whole time?

Speaker 6 (04:05:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (04:05:13):
I did not go down there and see what happened,
But it's safe to assume.

Speaker 6 (04:05:17):
So, Yes, you didn't see anybody else drive that vehicle
that night, right, No, that was Jack Snyder's car, right,
it was. And you said that mister Valley looked shocked. Correct, Yes,
you said he did not look as battered as mister
da Silva.

Speaker 7 (04:05:36):
I did say that, but he looked battered.

Speaker 5 (04:05:39):
It didn't. He didn't look as bad as mister d Silva.
But it also looks like he didn't like nothing happened
to him. Like he looked like he was in a fight.

Speaker 6 (04:05:51):
Looked like he was in a fight, looked like he'd
been punched in the face.

Speaker 5 (04:05:54):
I can't tell you if he was punched in the face.
I was not inspecting him like that.

Speaker 6 (04:05:58):
When you say he looked like he'd been in a fight.

Speaker 7 (04:06:00):
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (04:06:04):
Shocked, exhausted, could have been bruising. But my attention was
more towards mister de Silva.

Speaker 6 (04:06:13):
You heard mister Valley say that he was on his back.
I did that he'd been on the ground.

Speaker 1 (04:06:18):
Object that's a culture here set, it's a late objection.
But ask to what the defendant said.

Speaker 3 (04:06:22):
This is what mister de Silva said.

Speaker 7 (04:06:26):
This is what mister.

Speaker 6 (04:06:28):
It is yoursy it's restrictatement of the defendants.

Speaker 2 (04:06:33):
It's it's your client statement. It's not opposition. I'll sustain
the objection based on the.

Speaker 7 (04:06:38):
Here stone stricken from the record.

Speaker 3 (04:06:40):
Place court will strike it from the record.

Speaker 7 (04:06:43):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (04:06:44):
We have so far certainly, let me just take a
moment to clarify.

Speaker 2 (04:06:48):
So ladies and gentlemen, the jury of the court did
strike the last response from the record, and again the
attorney's question is not to be considered evidence.

Speaker 5 (04:06:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (04:06:57):
We've described him as being not as battered as mister
t Silva. But you admit you weren't inspecting him, so
to speak. Yes, at that point, mister Sindwald got a
ride from Carolyn, Texas.

Speaker 7 (04:07:10):
Yes, and.

Speaker 6 (04:07:14):
Madison Traffickanty came to pick you up.

Speaker 5 (04:07:16):
Correct, Yes, simultaneously.

Speaker 6 (04:07:20):
It was about an eight minute ride to your home.

Speaker 5 (04:07:22):
Right sounds about right.

Speaker 6 (04:07:24):
Yes, and you were sitting right beside mister Valley, correct,
I was Were you inspecting him at that point?

Speaker 4 (04:07:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:07:34):
Was there any music on in the car at that.

Speaker 5 (04:07:35):
Point I believe so, yes, loud music. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:07:42):
Do you recall when you spoke to officers about this before,
telling them that you did not hear any comments about
a knife when they drove down the road and everyone
exited the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (04:07:55):
Please repeat.

Speaker 6 (04:07:56):
Do you recall telling officers when you spoke to them
on September first, that you do not recall hearing any
comments about a knife when they drove down the road
and everyone exited the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (04:08:08):
I'm not too sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (04:08:10):
Nothing further, thank you, King.

Speaker 1 (04:08:14):
Counsel just asked you a little bit about And the
car goes down the street, people are getting out. There's
this moment where you say, you get out of the
car and then you go sit by the curb. So
I just want to make sure that we're all on
the same page. Car goes down the street. At what
moment when the car goes down the street after the

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incident in front of forty three long len do you
do you hear the defendant ask Jack, where's the knife?

Speaker 7 (04:08:41):
Let me get the knife.

Speaker 3 (04:08:42):
Objection, your honor asked and answered, well, this is rediract.

Speaker 5 (04:08:48):
Can you repeat that?

Speaker 9 (04:08:48):
Please?

Speaker 1 (04:08:49):
At what point do you hear in the timeline right
the best of your recollection, when you drive down the
street towards Farmhouse Road, you say you get out of
the car at some point and then you're within you're
close to the car and you see it sitting on
the curb. But do you hear the defendant ask for
the knife as you're getting out of the car and

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then you go sit at the curb or do you
go sit at the curb and then come back closer
to the car and hear the defendant ask for the knife.

Speaker 5 (04:09:15):
It was before I sat on the curb.

Speaker 1 (04:09:16):
So when you drive down the street there's a conversation
between the defendant and Jack Snyder where the defendant asks
him for the knife prior to you getting out or
just as you're getting out of the car.

Speaker 5 (04:09:29):
Yes, it was prior.

Speaker 1 (04:09:31):
And when you get out of the car after you
hear that, do you when do you observe him looking
inside the car.

Speaker 7 (04:09:37):
For the knife?

Speaker 5 (04:09:40):
It was prior to myself and others sitting on the curb.

Speaker 1 (04:09:44):
And at some point after you witness him looking for
the knife in the car. Is that when you go
sit by the curb, Yes, it was after And when
you're sitting by the curb, I think you indicated you
were sitting on the curb on the if I may
approach your arm, did you indicate you were sitting on

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the curb. This is the states one in front of
what has been referred to as thirty six Laurel Glen.
You were somewhere in this area here after that conversation
occurred between the defendant and Jack Snyder. Yes, I believe so,
so if the record grew reflect I'm referring to the
area in front of thirty six Laurel Glenn on the
right side of the road. Can I reflect, So at

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some point in time you're seated on the curb, does
the car move away from where you were seated on
the curb?

Speaker 5 (04:10:38):
The car does move away?

Speaker 1 (04:10:40):
How far away does it move?

Speaker 7 (04:10:42):
Well?

Speaker 5 (04:10:43):
It eventually went back. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (04:10:45):
So when the car is in that area where you're seated,
is it facing Farmhouse Road at this point or is
it facing Laurel Glenn, I mean facing Adams.

Speaker 5 (04:10:54):
I can't exactly recall which way I was facing. But
at some point the car turned around.

Speaker 1 (04:10:59):
In the defendant Jack and Tyler get in, that car
turns around and maybe goes back to forty three Loyal Line.

Speaker 5 (04:11:06):
They did go back.

Speaker 1 (04:11:08):
So, to the best of your recollection, the defendant asking
for the knife happens after the incident in front of
forty three Laurel Glen, but before they go back to.

Speaker 5 (04:11:18):
Forty three Laurel and forty three Laurel Glene. Is the
rich household? Correct? Yes? Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:11:24):
So the next thing I want to I think you
said on cross examination that when Council asked you, when
he when did Leito ask for the knife? You said,
it happened before I went and sat on the curb
and before Tyler Rich came over to talk. Is that right?
Do you recall when the series of events. Yes, that's

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when it happened before Tyler Rich came down the street.

Speaker 7 (04:11:51):
Before there.

Speaker 5 (04:11:52):
It was before before they went back, and after the
car got surrounded. Okay, outside the Rich house.

Speaker 7 (04:12:00):
That's the best you can work.

Speaker 5 (04:12:01):
That is the best I can work with.

Speaker 4 (04:12:02):
All right, thank you have no further questions anything further.

Speaker 3 (04:12:06):
By the defense, you.

Speaker 6 (04:12:08):
Were seated on the curb, and you claim you saw
my client reaching into the glovebox, not.

Speaker 5 (04:12:16):
When I was on the curb, not when you were
on the curb. I just explained I wasn't on the curb.

Speaker 6 (04:12:20):
You were in the car when you saw him reaching
in the glovebox.

Speaker 5 (04:12:22):
I was within two feet, if not in the car,
because I saw it with my own two eyes.

Speaker 7 (04:12:29):
You weren't in the on the curb. You weren't in
the car.

Speaker 5 (04:12:35):
I could have been in the car.

Speaker 6 (04:12:36):
You could have been in the car. You could have
been out of the car.

Speaker 5 (04:12:40):
I saw it with my own two eyes and heard it.

Speaker 6 (04:12:44):
What did you see with your own two eyes?

Speaker 5 (04:12:46):
The glovebox and center console opened and rubbaged through.

Speaker 7 (04:12:50):
Was the defendant in the car or out of the car?

Speaker 5 (04:12:53):
In the car?

Speaker 6 (04:12:54):
Where was he seated? I told you I don't remember
the vehicle dropped you off by the curb.

Speaker 5 (04:13:03):
I got, I got out of the car and sat
on the curb.

Speaker 6 (04:13:06):
You didn't walk a long distance from where the car
where you got out of the car.

Speaker 5 (04:13:10):
I can't recall that.

Speaker 1 (04:13:13):
Nothing from it, any readers, nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:13:15):
From the Thank you, all right, you're also thank you
watching for stuff as you as doing this. All right,
we'll take our afternoon recess. Fifteen minutes, ladies and gentlemen,
Jerry will take her off. Fifteen minute break.

Speaker 16 (04:13:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (04:13:28):
Hoard stands in recess. May I see counsel for a moment.

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We'll get the jurth. Thank you, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome back. Counsel. Please stipulate the return of our jours.

Speaker 1 (04:14:15):
Stipulation.

Speaker 3 (04:14:16):
Okay, thank you Warren. I'll ask the state to please
call it s next witness.

Speaker 1 (04:14:20):
Thank you, your honest called demetris our fantas to the standard.

Speaker 3 (04:14:22):
Thank you, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (04:14:26):
Please step up into the witness box, remain standing. The
clerk is going to put you on your oath.

Speaker 3 (04:14:31):
Thank you, thank your honor.

Speaker 1 (04:14:32):
Please use your answer.

Speaker 19 (04:14:33):
You saw me swear or solem me and sincerely affirms
the case may be that the evidence you shall give
concerning this case shall be the truth, the whole truth, nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:14:40):
But the truth.

Speaker 19 (04:14:40):
So help you God, are upon penalty of perjury. If so,
please say I do I do? Please state your full name, spelling,
your last name and address for the records.

Speaker 1 (04:14:48):
Dimitri is our finest A R F K and I S.

Speaker 7 (04:14:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (04:14:55):
You may be seated.

Speaker 1 (04:14:56):
Thank you, dimitrith do us affair? Just sit close to
the microphone. Speak loudly. These ladies and gentlemen need to
hear you.

Speaker 7 (04:15:04):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:15:06):
Is it Demetrios or Dimitri?

Speaker 26 (04:15:08):
The full name is Demetrius, but I go by Dimitri.

Speaker 7 (04:15:10):
Do you mind if I call you Dimitri?

Speaker 26 (04:15:12):
That's fine?

Speaker 1 (04:15:12):
YEA Dimitri? How old are you?

Speaker 26 (04:15:14):
I'm twenty?

Speaker 1 (04:15:15):
And do you go to school?

Speaker 4 (04:15:16):
I do?

Speaker 7 (04:15:16):
Where do you go to school?

Speaker 26 (04:15:17):
Clemson in South Carolina?

Speaker 1 (04:15:19):
And what's what year are you?

Speaker 26 (04:15:20):
I'm going into my junior year.

Speaker 1 (04:15:22):
And do you know why you're here today?

Speaker 4 (04:15:24):
I did?

Speaker 7 (04:15:24):
And why are you here.

Speaker 26 (04:15:25):
Today to talk about what happened back in May twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (04:15:29):
And have you and I met before we have concerning
this case? Yeah, now, directing your attention to May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. How old were you back then?

Speaker 26 (04:15:39):
I was seventeen?

Speaker 1 (04:15:40):
And were you in school?

Speaker 6 (04:15:41):
I was?

Speaker 7 (04:15:42):
What school?

Speaker 1 (04:15:42):
Were you in?

Speaker 26 (04:15:43):
Saint Joseph High School?

Speaker 1 (04:15:45):
And we're Saint Joseph's located in Trumble. And are you
familiar with an individual by the name of Jack Snider?

Speaker 4 (04:15:51):
I am?

Speaker 26 (04:15:52):
How are you familiar with we went to the same school.

Speaker 1 (04:15:54):
And are you familiar with an individual by the name
of Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 7 (04:15:58):
I am?

Speaker 1 (04:15:59):
And how are you familiar with them?

Speaker 26 (04:16:00):
We also went to the same school.

Speaker 1 (04:16:01):
Are you familiar with an individual by the name of
Raoul Valley?

Speaker 11 (04:16:04):
I am?

Speaker 1 (04:16:04):
And how are you familiar with him?

Speaker 26 (04:16:06):
Went to the same school.

Speaker 1 (04:16:07):
Is Raoul Valley present in the courtroom today?

Speaker 5 (04:16:09):
He is?

Speaker 1 (04:16:10):
And what is he wearing?

Speaker 26 (04:16:11):
A blue suit?

Speaker 1 (04:16:12):
And can you please point him out for the record? Remember,
the record reflect the witnesses identified the defendant in this case.

Speaker 2 (04:16:17):
Record will reflect that the witness has identified mister Valley.

Speaker 1 (04:16:20):
Thank you now, demitreat. Does the defendant have a nickname
that he goes by? We called him Da and I
want to direct your attention to that day, May fourteenth,
twenty twenty two, sometime earlier in the night. Did you
attend a party at five Lazy Brook Road?

Speaker 12 (04:16:38):
I did?

Speaker 1 (04:16:38):
Can you please tell us the circumstances surrounding you attending
that party?

Speaker 26 (04:16:43):
I went to have a good name of my friends.

Speaker 7 (04:16:45):
And were you invited there?

Speaker 26 (04:16:47):
YEAHLUSA?

Speaker 7 (04:16:47):
Who invited you?

Speaker 26 (04:16:49):
The Wifer? Austin Liffer?

Speaker 1 (04:16:51):
And when you got there? What time of day do
you think it was?

Speaker 26 (04:16:53):
It was probably like nine o'clock, so it was nighttime, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (04:16:57):
And when you got there, what kinds of things were
happening Life.

Speaker 7 (04:17:00):
For a Household?

Speaker 26 (04:17:01):
People were just drinking, having good time, talking, catching up when.

Speaker 1 (04:17:05):
You say, drinking and having a good time. What were
the things that people were drinking?

Speaker 5 (04:17:10):
Beer?

Speaker 7 (04:17:10):
At alcohol?

Speaker 1 (04:17:12):
And were you drinking that night?

Speaker 7 (04:17:13):
I was how much did you have to drink?

Speaker 11 (04:17:15):
Not that much?

Speaker 26 (04:17:16):
Few drinks? What were you drinking beer?

Speaker 1 (04:17:19):
I'd say, so you had about two beers? Maybe?

Speaker 7 (04:17:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:17:22):
And at some point in time did you become aware
of individuals from Shelton High School that arrived at the
Life for Household?

Speaker 26 (04:17:34):
I found out after the fact.

Speaker 1 (04:17:35):
I never saw him, So tell me tell me the
circumstances surrounding when you were there, what was going on,
and then after the fact when you found out something
had happened there.

Speaker 26 (04:17:47):
So I was just in the basement and I found
out that some cads I got in a fight, but
I didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 (04:17:53):
Where were you when the fight happened?

Speaker 26 (04:17:54):
I was in the basement.

Speaker 7 (04:17:56):
And do you know who the fight was between? Not sure?

Speaker 9 (04:18:00):
Nah?

Speaker 7 (04:18:01):
Not sure?

Speaker 1 (04:18:01):
Okay, I'm going to show you this exhibit once't you
tell me if you recognize anybody? See it's Exhibit fifty three.
Do you recognize anybody in this photo?

Speaker 26 (04:18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:18:10):
What do you recognize?

Speaker 26 (04:18:12):
Jack Snyder and Ledo Valley?

Speaker 1 (04:18:14):
Okay? Which one is Jack Snyder and.

Speaker 26 (04:18:16):
The red hoodie? And which one's Ledo and the blue
Ole Miss T shirt?

Speaker 1 (04:18:22):
And you were call seeing the defendant dressed like this
on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. I do. And
was he dressed like this the entire time he was
at Lazybrook?

Speaker 26 (04:18:32):
The Helmut was now he's on for the most part.

Speaker 1 (04:18:35):
Yeah, so he was there with Jack. Yeah, it was
Tyler de Silva also there. Yes, Now tell us about
how how long were you there at Lazierbrook?

Speaker 26 (04:18:46):
Before you left like an hour?

Speaker 7 (04:18:49):
You were there for like an hour?

Speaker 1 (04:18:50):
And why did you leave Lazybrook?

Speaker 26 (04:18:53):
The mom kicked everyone out?

Speaker 9 (04:18:55):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:18:55):
And when did you become aware that a fight had
occurred at lazy Brook.

Speaker 26 (04:19:01):
Towards the end?

Speaker 7 (04:19:02):
Towards the end you.

Speaker 1 (04:19:04):
Were call who told you you will call everybody that
was at that party that night? No, it's safe to
say they were all Saint jose suit.

Speaker 7 (04:19:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:19:15):
Now at some point in time, Well, let me ask
you this, how did you get.

Speaker 5 (04:19:18):
To lazy Brook?

Speaker 26 (04:19:20):
My other friend Joe me, but he left?

Speaker 7 (04:19:22):
Which friend was that?

Speaker 11 (04:19:22):
My friend?

Speaker 26 (04:19:23):
Mickey?

Speaker 1 (04:19:23):
Mickey was Was he also Keenan's ride home?

Speaker 7 (04:19:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:19:28):
And why was he going to bring you in Keenan.

Speaker 26 (04:19:30):
Home because we didn't want to drive and he offered
to drive us.

Speaker 1 (04:19:36):
Were you were you supposed to go straight home that night?

Speaker 7 (04:19:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (04:19:40):
Okay, Now back to ke I was sleeping at Keenanes
that night, okay?

Speaker 1 (04:19:45):
And so Mickey left?

Speaker 11 (04:19:48):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:19:48):
When did when did Mickey leave?

Speaker 26 (04:19:49):
You were calling right, only got there, He didn't go
in the house, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (04:19:52):
He never came back to pick you up. Now, and
when the party got broken up that night? Uh, did
you have a ride home? When they kicked you out. Now,
so what did you do for a ride home?

Speaker 26 (04:20:03):
Keenan told me that Jack had offered to drive us home.

Speaker 7 (04:20:06):
So did you go and in fact get into Jack's car?
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (04:20:10):
Did you go with Jack? That?

Speaker 7 (04:20:11):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:20:12):
What kind of car was Jack driving that night?

Speaker 26 (04:20:14):
A hand the pilot showing you State's exhibited thirty?

Speaker 1 (04:20:19):
Is that Jack's car?

Speaker 7 (04:20:20):
It is?

Speaker 1 (04:20:21):
And when you did you get into Jack's car with
other people?

Speaker 26 (04:20:26):
I did?

Speaker 1 (04:20:27):
Who else was in the car with you when you
were getting ready to leave Lazybrook?

Speaker 26 (04:20:30):
It was Jack, Tyler, Will, Keenan, Lido, Mackenzie, and myself.

Speaker 1 (04:20:36):
Now you say McKenzie. Who's McKenzie?

Speaker 26 (04:20:39):
It was Lido's girlfriend at the time at the time,
and you know her? How it's just same school. We
just mutual people.

Speaker 1 (04:20:46):
And you say Will Will?

Speaker 26 (04:20:47):
Who Will Sindwald?

Speaker 1 (04:20:48):
And how do you know Will?

Speaker 26 (04:20:49):
Again? We went to the same school.

Speaker 1 (04:20:52):
So it was you Keenan to meet you, Keenan, Lido, Tyler, Jack,
McKenzie and Will. All right, So when you left lazy
Brook with Drum. Prior to leaving Lazybrook, were did you

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become aware of a group chat that had started concerning
the fight that happened at Lazybrook?

Speaker 6 (04:21:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:21:17):
Uh, now are you aware there was a group chat
that had happened that night?

Speaker 26 (04:21:22):
I was aware when we were at Trumble High, but
not at Lazy Brook.

Speaker 1 (04:21:25):
Okay, So at some point in time when you left Lazybrook,
where did you go to Trumble High? And why did
you guys go to Trumble High School?

Speaker 26 (04:21:32):
We were trying to find like another place to go
to just to continue our night, and that was kind
of like the closest spot.

Speaker 1 (04:21:38):
And when you got to Trouble High School did you
meet anybody there?

Speaker 26 (04:21:41):
There was one other car there, Yeah, and who was there?

Speaker 7 (04:21:43):
I don't know them?

Speaker 1 (04:21:45):
You were called if they were girls or boys?

Speaker 7 (04:21:48):
Girls?

Speaker 1 (04:21:49):
Girls? And when you got to Trouble High School did
you get out of Jack's car?

Speaker 7 (04:21:53):
We did?

Speaker 1 (04:21:54):
And when you got out of Jack's car, where did
you go?

Speaker 26 (04:21:57):
We just went to a fence for the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (04:22:00):
You walked away from the car. Yeah, And when you
were walking away from the car, that were the people
that stayed at the car?

Speaker 26 (04:22:07):
I'd imagine.

Speaker 1 (04:22:08):
Yeah, were you with anybody when you walked away from
the car?

Speaker 11 (04:22:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (04:22:11):
I remember who though?

Speaker 1 (04:22:12):
Okay, how long would you say you were at Trouble
High school for like twenty minutes, not that long after
twenty minutes had come and gone. Did you leave Trouble
High School?

Speaker 9 (04:22:24):
We did?

Speaker 1 (04:22:24):
Why did you leave Trouble High School?

Speaker 26 (04:22:29):
I guess Jack and Tyler were talking to these kids
and they're driving to their house.

Speaker 1 (04:22:34):
So when you were leaving Trouble High School you were
aware that the car was headed towards another house?

Speaker 11 (04:22:41):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:22:41):
Do you know what purpose that was for? I did?

Speaker 26 (04:22:45):
Yeah, they were having an issue with these other kids.

Speaker 1 (04:22:48):
And when they were going to the house, do you
know why they were going to the house to like
go talk to them and why did they want Do
you know why they wanted to talk to them.

Speaker 26 (04:22:57):
To settle like the dispute or the issue that occurred
prior at Lazybrook.

Speaker 7 (04:23:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:23:02):
So when you were headed over, did you in fact
leave Trouble High School and head over to that that house?

Speaker 26 (04:23:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:23:08):
Do you recall whose house that was or where it was? No?

Speaker 26 (04:23:11):
I was in the trunk.

Speaker 7 (04:23:12):
You were in the trunk.

Speaker 26 (04:23:13):
Yeah, So I didn't see any like where we were
going or anything, could you?

Speaker 1 (04:23:17):
So it was dark out, you couldn't see where you
were going?

Speaker 26 (04:23:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:23:21):
So who was driving the car when you left Troumble
High School, Jack Snyder, do you recall who was in
the front passenger seat.

Speaker 26 (04:23:26):
Howd Siva? And who was in the back seat behind
the driver was Ledo and McKenzie was on his lap,
and then it was Will in the middle and Keenan
behind the passenger seat, and I was on the way back.

Speaker 1 (04:23:39):
So you were in the way back. So so in
the way back of this exhibit here you were seeing
it in that trunk area.

Speaker 7 (04:23:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:23:47):
So do you recall I'm sure your state's forty nine
you were called this is the house that you pulled
up to when you left Trouble High School?

Speaker 26 (04:23:56):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (04:23:58):
There's a state's exemple one behind you. Do you recall
how you arrived at that house? If the red mark
is forty three? Laurel Glenn, do you recall how you
came into the neighborhood?

Speaker 7 (04:24:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:24:12):
Can you show us.

Speaker 26 (04:24:13):
We went down the road and did look at U
turn and came back to be facing farmhouse lane.

Speaker 1 (04:24:19):
Okay, And did you when you did you stop in
front of the house? Where did you stop?

Speaker 26 (04:24:24):
Well, we did the U turn, then we stopped in
front of the house.

Speaker 7 (04:24:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:24:26):
Can you show us on States forty nine where you stop?

Speaker 7 (04:24:29):
Can you describe it?

Speaker 26 (04:24:31):
We stopped like right before the driveway starts, okay, a
little farther from the curb.

Speaker 1 (04:24:37):
So would you have been on the right side of
the road or the left side of the road.

Speaker 26 (04:24:41):
Looking at States forty nine closer to the middle, I'd
say so.

Speaker 1 (04:24:45):
And you said before the driveway would be on the
lower portion of forty nine or the upper portion the
lower So you were somewhere. If I put my finger here,
is this about where you were all stopping the car?

Speaker 7 (04:24:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:24:55):
Okay, so the record can re flight. You're our on
States forty nine.

Speaker 18 (04:24:59):
My finger pointed to the middle of Laurel Glend, just
to the left of where the trees are from the
house across the street from forty three Laurel of Land,
just above of the intersection of Adams.

Speaker 3 (04:25:16):
And Laureld Ln Cordial out of the reportory cleft.

Speaker 1 (04:25:20):
And when you stopped there, did you notice if anybody
was outside at forty three.

Speaker 26 (04:25:25):
Laurel Glenn There was a few kids outside, a few kids.

Speaker 1 (04:25:28):
Did you know any of those kids? Now at the time,
did you know whose house this was? No? And when
you stop there, do you do you were you aware
as to whether or not people from your car were
communicating with people from that house through the group chat.

Speaker 26 (04:25:44):
I knew they were texting, yeah, and do you know
the things.

Speaker 7 (04:25:46):
That were being texted?

Speaker 1 (04:25:47):
Now do you recall whether or not anybody indicated that
you had.

Speaker 7 (04:25:51):
Arrived at the house?

Speaker 26 (04:25:54):
I'm sure.

Speaker 9 (04:25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:25:55):
And at some point in time did people come out
of the house.

Speaker 26 (04:25:59):
They already out when we got there, but did more
people come out? Yeah, they kept flowing in.

Speaker 1 (04:26:03):
And when people came out of the house, tell us
how what happened. When they came out of.

Speaker 26 (04:26:09):
The house, they just started talking with Jack and Tyler.

Speaker 7 (04:26:12):
So they approached the car. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:26:13):
How many people approach the car do you think at
that point?

Speaker 26 (04:26:16):
Like eight nine?

Speaker 7 (04:26:18):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:26:18):
And uh, Jack rolled down his window. Yeah, and they
were talking with Jack.

Speaker 7 (04:26:25):
Yeah, and Tyler and Tyler.

Speaker 26 (04:26:27):
Yeah, it was they were all talking so.

Speaker 7 (04:26:29):
On the other side of the vehicle.

Speaker 26 (04:26:30):
Also, I'm not sure about that, but they were talking or.

Speaker 7 (04:26:33):
Talking through the yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (04:26:36):
How would you describe not what was said, but how
would you describe the conversation between Jack, Tyler and the
people outside the car.

Speaker 26 (04:26:44):
It was pretty peaceful at first, just talking and at.

Speaker 1 (04:26:47):
Some point did it become not peaceful. Yes, tell us
about that.

Speaker 26 (04:26:52):
Somebody said something I don't know what, and then Jack
said something back again I don't remember exactly the words.
And then people started like hitting the car, throwing stuff
at the car, and like I was in the trunk,
so I saw some kid jumping on the back of
the car up and down shaking it. And then Jack
drove off and they were still like throwing stuff at
the car.

Speaker 1 (04:27:11):
Good. And when Jack drove off, where did he drive
to down.

Speaker 26 (04:27:15):
The street in near farmhouse?

Speaker 1 (04:27:16):
And and uh when he got towards so down north
Tom's farmhouse. Where can you show us on States One?
Where he did he stop the car?

Speaker 7 (04:27:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:27:27):
Where did he stop the car?

Speaker 7 (04:27:28):
Show me like a few houses down?

Speaker 1 (04:27:30):
Okay, So if I can approach the witness show to
a point to them, can you point to where you
believe the car stopped, like about here? And when the
car stopped there? What happened when the car stopped?

Speaker 26 (04:27:49):
At first some kids approached the car from the house
and they were talking with like Jack and not with
Tyler and Ledo again, and I think we drove off
more and then everybody got out of the car and
we like looked around the car.

Speaker 1 (04:28:04):
So you go down the street, you have thirty forty
four go down the street. Do people get out of
the car initially?

Speaker 7 (04:28:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:28:13):
Who gets out of the car initially.

Speaker 26 (04:28:15):
Tyler and Lita?

Speaker 7 (04:28:17):
Okay? And then and then what happens?

Speaker 26 (04:28:19):
And then they were talking with some kids again, and
then we drive farther down the street, and then everybody
gets out of the car and looks at the car.

Speaker 1 (04:28:29):
Okay, and I'm going to show you state it's forty four.
Just play the you know, so do you remember this
is to see when people initially get out of the car.

Speaker 26 (04:28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:28:44):
The person that got out of the front passenger seat?
Do you know who that was?

Speaker 9 (04:28:47):
Nah?

Speaker 6 (04:28:48):
You don't know that.

Speaker 26 (04:28:48):
I just can't tell him.

Speaker 1 (04:28:49):
Now you can't tell from the video. But who was
sitting in the front passenger's seat when you drove down
to Tyler? And when he got out of the car,
you were pulled? What he did when he got out
of the car?

Speaker 23 (04:29:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:29:01):
No, So against age forty four?

Speaker 6 (04:29:04):
And is this.

Speaker 1 (04:29:06):
Fairly the picks? What happened when you initially went down
down the road. Yes, And at some point in time
some kids come down the road. Tell us about what
happens when the kids come down the road.

Speaker 26 (04:29:17):
I don't know. I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (04:29:18):
You didn't see that.

Speaker 26 (04:29:19):
I saw it, but I didn't like hear what was
going on.

Speaker 1 (04:29:21):
So you were still in the car, the car took
off a little further at some point in time, did
you get out of the car. When you get out
of the car, where there's still kids from the Shelton
house down the street? No, So between the time you
were in the car and the time you got out,
did you observe any interactions that were going on between

(04:29:42):
the Shelton kids and Tyler and the defendant.

Speaker 7 (04:29:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:29:46):
Okay, so you can't tell us if they were peaceful
or argumentative.

Speaker 11 (04:29:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:29:51):
Can you tell us if there was any physical fight
that happened down the street?

Speaker 26 (04:29:55):
Not that I saw.

Speaker 1 (04:29:56):
No. Do you call whether or not seeing anybody from
the shelt and kids from the time you got were
in front of fourty three Laurel Glenn to the time
the car went down the street.

Speaker 7 (04:30:05):
Did did any of even brandish any weapons?

Speaker 6 (04:30:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:30:09):
And when you got down the street, eventually everybody got
out of the car and they were they were inspecting
the car. Tell me about that. What was going on
when people were inspecting the car?

Speaker 26 (04:30:21):
So we all get out the car. We looked and
see that there was some dents and stuff and scratches
from how they were hitting and throwing stuff. And then
the defendant asked for a knife.

Speaker 1 (04:30:33):
So tell me about that. When did that? When did
that happen in relation to looking.

Speaker 7 (04:30:37):
At the car?

Speaker 26 (04:30:38):
That like right when you saw the car?

Speaker 1 (04:30:40):
And how was the defendant reacting when he was inspecting
the car?

Speaker 26 (04:30:44):
Pretty upset?

Speaker 7 (04:30:46):
How upset? Explain? You know, describe it to me.

Speaker 26 (04:30:50):
He like was like yelling?

Speaker 1 (04:30:52):
What was he yelling?

Speaker 26 (04:30:52):
I don't remember the exact words.

Speaker 7 (04:30:54):
Was he cursing?

Speaker 26 (04:30:55):
I don't remember?

Speaker 1 (04:30:57):
Was he did he act like he was peaceful?

Speaker 7 (04:30:59):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (04:31:01):
Did he act more upset than than Jack and Tyler?

Speaker 7 (04:31:05):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (04:31:05):
In the moment.

Speaker 1 (04:31:09):
Based on the way the defendant was reacting, did it
appear that? How did it appear? Did he want to
go and talk to those kids? Objection from speculations? Did
the defendants say anything with regards to wanting to go
back and talk to those kids?

Speaker 7 (04:31:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:31:27):
What did he say?

Speaker 26 (04:31:28):
I don't remember the exact words, but it was like,
let's go back.

Speaker 1 (04:31:32):
And did it did it appear that he was acting
in an aggressive manner?

Speaker 7 (04:31:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:31:38):
How did how did he appear, how was he acting?

Speaker 5 (04:31:41):
He was mad?

Speaker 26 (04:31:42):
He was like yelling and stuff. I don't remember the
exact words he was saying.

Speaker 1 (04:31:47):
And at what point did he ask for the knife?

Speaker 26 (04:31:51):
Right after we went out the car and inspected the damage.

Speaker 1 (04:31:55):
Do you recall who he asked for the knife?

Speaker 26 (04:31:58):
I think it was Jack.

Speaker 1 (04:31:59):
And do you recall whether or not a knife was
given to him or found? No, did you ever see
a knife that night? No? After the defendant asked for
the knife? How long? How long was was this inspection
and asking for the knife going on for minutes? Two minutes?

(04:32:20):
At some point in time after the defense asks for
the knife, what happens after that?

Speaker 26 (04:32:24):
The defendant, Jack, and Tyler to get back in the
car and drive back down to the house.

Speaker 1 (04:32:30):
And at this point in time, it's just the three
of them in the car. Yes, So where are you will,
Keenan and McKenzie.

Speaker 26 (04:32:38):
We're still on the side of the curb by the
the house. I just pointed out, So are you on
the on the curb?

Speaker 1 (04:32:45):
So my pointing to the States one here this is
this has been previously identified as thirty six Low Atlanta.
Are you on the side of the curb? Here somewhere?
Or are you are you on this side of the road?

Speaker 7 (04:32:54):
You're all what side of the.

Speaker 1 (04:32:55):
Road you run?

Speaker 26 (04:32:56):
Or on this side of the road like around here
a bit?

Speaker 1 (04:32:59):
And you waited there?

Speaker 7 (04:33:02):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:33:03):
Why did you wait there?

Speaker 26 (04:33:04):
Because I don't want to go back?

Speaker 1 (04:33:06):
Why didn't you want to go back?

Speaker 26 (04:33:07):
Because I don't want to identify with these kids that
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:33:11):
So at some point in time the car leaves. Yes,
do you hear what goes on down the other end
of the street.

Speaker 26 (04:33:22):
All I heard was some people screaming.

Speaker 1 (04:33:25):
And how long do you think the car was down
the end of the other end of the street?

Speaker 26 (04:33:29):
Not that long, like five minutes.

Speaker 1 (04:33:30):
And when we're talking about the other end of the street,
are we talking about going back towards forty three, Laurel
Glenn or are we talking going the other way? When
you say go down the street, they go back down
to the house that we were at. So so this
states forty nine, they go back to this house. Yes,
did you see the car stop in front of the
house from where you were seated?

Speaker 4 (04:33:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:33:52):
How do you know that they were down there? I
assume so okay, And they were down there for five minutes?
You said and you heard screaming.

Speaker 7 (04:34:00):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:34:01):
Now, when you were waiting down the other end near
Farmhouse Road or down the other end of Laurel Glenn,
did you have a ride home at that point?

Speaker 4 (04:34:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:34:12):
Did you have an idea of how you were going
to get home at that point?

Speaker 9 (04:34:15):
Na?

Speaker 1 (04:34:17):
At some point in time after five minutes passes, does
the car return?

Speaker 7 (04:34:21):
Yes? And when the car returns, tell me about that.
What happens?

Speaker 26 (04:34:25):
The car returned, and we didn't have a ride, and
we were about to get back in the car to leave,
and I see Tyler all beat up and bloody, he
could barely form words. And at the same moment McKenzie
had she'd called her sister previously, and her sister drove
up and McKenzie told us to get in her car.

Speaker 1 (04:34:42):
So did you get in McKenzie's car?

Speaker 7 (04:34:43):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (04:34:44):
And who else got in McKenzie's car.

Speaker 26 (04:34:46):
At first only me and Kenan, and then Leto also
got in the car.

Speaker 1 (04:34:50):
And when Leito got in the car, did you have
an opportunity to observe him?

Speaker 9 (04:34:53):
Not really?

Speaker 16 (04:34:54):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (04:34:54):
And on the ride home who got dropped off first?
And on the ride home after you got dropped off,
did you subsequently were you made aware of what had
happened down the street at.

Speaker 5 (04:35:13):
Some point in time a lot later.

Speaker 7 (04:35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:35:16):
And when you were made aware later of what had happened,
did the police contact you?

Speaker 26 (04:35:23):
Not right away?

Speaker 1 (04:35:24):
Now, it was a few days after, a few days after.
And did you in fact go to speak to the police.

Speaker 7 (04:35:28):
I did.

Speaker 1 (04:35:29):
Do you remember if you spoke to them on more
than one occasion?

Speaker 6 (04:35:32):
I did.

Speaker 1 (04:35:33):
And when you spoke to the police, did you tell
them exactly what you told us here today?

Speaker 7 (04:35:40):
Have no further question, Jordan, Thank.

Speaker 6 (04:35:42):
You, good afternoon, mister Fennis. We've never met before.

Speaker 5 (04:35:48):
We have not.

Speaker 6 (04:35:49):
We've never discussed this case before.

Speaker 5 (04:35:51):
We have not.

Speaker 6 (04:35:52):
Did you say that you are going to Clemson University?
I am in South Carolina?

Speaker 11 (04:35:57):
I am.

Speaker 6 (04:36:00):
You were telling us about this evening, and I want
to ask you a few questions about that.

Speaker 7 (04:36:05):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 6 (04:36:08):
You started off the evening at five Lazy Broke right, correct,
And you were invited there by Austin Leifer?

Speaker 7 (04:36:14):
Correct? Did you see Austin there that night?

Speaker 4 (04:36:16):
I did.

Speaker 6 (04:36:17):
Did you see him Hill throwing up outside?

Speaker 9 (04:36:19):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (04:36:21):
When you saw him, did he appear to be ill?

Speaker 26 (04:36:24):
He was drunk?

Speaker 6 (04:36:25):
Yeah? Anybody else appeared to be drunk there that night.

Speaker 26 (04:36:29):
I assume most people were drinking. I wouldn't say anybody
was out of the ordinary.

Speaker 7 (04:36:34):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (04:36:37):
He said people were drinking, having a good time. There
was beer and some alcohol. You didn't have that much
to drink yourself, did not. But you had arranged to
have a ride home because you didn't want.

Speaker 7 (04:36:48):
To be drinking and driving. Is that fair to say? Correct?

Speaker 6 (04:36:51):
Yeah, you never saw these other kids that arrived and
the fight went down. Now, but you did see mister
Snyder and mister Valley and mister d Silva there, right,
I did. You didn't see them fight with anybody there?

Speaker 4 (04:37:08):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (04:37:10):
And you were there for about an hour, you told us, correct,
And then Mama Lifer kicked everybody out, and you told
us you were driven there by Mickey correct? Is his
name Mickey or Michael is Mickey?

Speaker 7 (04:37:23):
And Nicknaate. And you're supposed to go.

Speaker 6 (04:37:27):
Straight to Keenan's right after, yeah, because there was That's
where you're going to spend the night, right, correct?

Speaker 7 (04:37:32):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:37:33):
And so now you've been left in the lurch because
the party has ended before it was supposed to be, right, Yes,
But you get a ride from Jack Snyder and you
hop into that car with six other people, right, it's you, Jack,
Tyler d Silva, Will Sindwall, Roll Valley, Mackenzie Trafficanty, and

(04:37:53):
Keenan Frasik right. And as far as the positions in
the car you told us Jack Snyder was driving. Tyler
Disilva was a front passenger. In the back seat on
behind the driver was Roaul Valley correct. In his lap
was McKinsey Trafficanti. Right beside him was Will Sindwald correct correct.

(04:38:15):
And to the right, farthest behind the passenger, close to
the door, that was Keenan Frasik right. Yes, And you
got stuck in the back of the trunk, right, I did.
Was there anything back there with you in the trunk
or was it just your I don't know.

Speaker 26 (04:38:28):
It was some stuff I don't remember what it was
like some bats, some bats like for softball?

Speaker 7 (04:38:35):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:38:36):
Did those stay in the car the whole time?

Speaker 9 (04:38:37):
They did?

Speaker 6 (04:38:41):
And because the night had ended earlier than expected, you
guys went to Trumbull High School right, in order to
try and figure out if there was something else that
you could do that night. Yes, And while you got there,
there were some girls there. Do you recall that there
was also another car there, a BMW, a white VMW
with maybe two other guys, isn't it not?

Speaker 9 (04:39:01):
Really? Now?

Speaker 6 (04:39:01):
You don't recall that.

Speaker 26 (04:39:02):
No, I don't the one car. I'm sorry, one car,
because there a park right next to.

Speaker 7 (04:39:06):
Us, park right next to you.

Speaker 6 (04:39:09):
And when you got out of the car, you said
you want to use the bathroom.

Speaker 9 (04:39:14):
I did.

Speaker 6 (04:39:16):
Were you after you use the bathroom? You were there
for another twenty minutes or so, I'd say, so, Yeah,
were you with Keenan the whole time?

Speaker 1 (04:39:26):
Well?

Speaker 26 (04:39:26):
I was with other one, not just Keenan, You, Keenan,
will Leado, Jack, Tyler McKenzie all.

Speaker 6 (04:39:32):
In a group together. Yeah, you don't recall splitting up.
And some people go in one place, some people go
in another. No, did you see Keenan drinking that night?

Speaker 26 (04:39:44):
I don't remember him specifically drinking, but I knew he
was just from you know, being at a party.

Speaker 7 (04:39:50):
M okay.

Speaker 6 (04:39:54):
And it was Keenan who told you that Jack Snyder
had offered the ride, right?

Speaker 5 (04:39:57):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:39:59):
Were you concerned it all getting in that car with
Jack Snyder?

Speaker 4 (04:40:02):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:40:03):
Were you concerned getting in that car that Tyler De
Silva and Rollo Valley were in there?

Speaker 7 (04:40:07):
Nah?

Speaker 6 (04:40:08):
You said his nickname is Leto. Do you know what
that nickname means? Na, That's not a nickname that he
had been given by you or other kids at the school.

Speaker 26 (04:40:16):
No, that's what I was introduced him as freshman year.

Speaker 7 (04:40:19):
Gotcha?

Speaker 6 (04:40:21):
And you said while you were at Trumbull High School,
you became aware of this group chat that was going on, right, Yeah,
you weren't a part of that group chat.

Speaker 7 (04:40:29):
No, how did you become.

Speaker 26 (04:40:31):
Aware of the group chat just from them talking about it?

Speaker 6 (04:40:35):
When you say them talking about it? Jack Snyder, Jack
and Tyler? Yeah, Jack and Tyler and you were in
the back in the trunk, correct, So you could hear
what Jack and Tyler were talking about up in the
front of the.

Speaker 26 (04:40:51):
Car, Parson pieces. Yeah, not like I knew they were
talking in this group chat. I couldn't really get a
grasp of, like exactly what they were talking about.

Speaker 6 (04:41:01):
Was this talking that you're describing. Was this going on
in the car or was this while you were at
Trumbull High School in the parking lot, in the car
at Trumbull High Okay, But when you were there at
Trumbull High you all got out of the car at
some point.

Speaker 26 (04:41:15):
I don't know if everyone got out, I got out,
you got out?

Speaker 6 (04:41:18):
Did you get out of the car? Everybody stayed in
the car and then you came back to the vehicle.

Speaker 26 (04:41:21):
It was it wasn't just me getting out the car, like,
multiple people got out the car. I just don't remember
exactly who.

Speaker 6 (04:41:26):
Okay, Ultimately you weren't able to find another place to
go as far as you knew, right yeah. And did
you think when you got back into the vehicle ultimately
to leave Trumbull High School that you were going to
go to Keenan fra Six's house at that point, I
don't remember. At some point though you told us you
became aware that, in fact, you were not going to

(04:41:50):
Keenan Frasi's house, right yeah. And you thought that you
were going to Jack was driving this vehicle because Jack
and Tyler were talking with these other kids and wanted
to go talk to them to settle a dispute, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:42:05):
And so.

Speaker 6 (04:42:08):
How long did that drive take to get from Trumbull
High School to where you've described the car ultimately stopping
at Laurel.

Speaker 26 (04:42:13):
Blun Drive like ten minutes?

Speaker 6 (04:42:15):
Ten minutes, not for sure though, any drinking going on
in the car while that's happening. I don't remember loud
music being played in the car. I'd imagine, Yah, you'd
imagine or you remember it. I don't want you to
imagine anything.

Speaker 26 (04:42:27):
When we would drive, we'd have music on, so I
don't know why it would be any different.

Speaker 6 (04:42:31):
Do you recall whether or not there was loud music
being played? Yeah, loud enough that you couldn't hear what
was going on up in the front of the car.

Speaker 26 (04:42:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:42:41):
I wasn't talking to anyone, Okay, you were just sitting
in the back.

Speaker 7 (04:42:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:42:44):
Did you see the vehicle being followed by a white BMW?

Speaker 26 (04:42:48):
I don't remember that now.

Speaker 6 (04:42:53):
And then I think you described on exhibit one there.
If you look behind you, can you see Exhibit one?

Speaker 12 (04:42:59):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (04:43:01):
And the vehicle came down Adam's drive and went up
to the end of the cul de sac and turned around.

Speaker 26 (04:43:06):
That's not how I remember. I remember that you were
driving down past the house and little Glen and then doing.

Speaker 7 (04:43:10):
A new turn.

Speaker 6 (04:43:11):
Okay, can you use the pointer there and show us
what you recall.

Speaker 26 (04:43:15):
I think that we went down here and turn out here,
and I came back.

Speaker 6 (04:43:19):
Down that way okay, And ultimately the car came to
a stop initially in front of Tyler Rich's house forty
three Laurel Glen drive right, yes, and you said when
the car came to a stop, or let's let's back
up just a second. As you drove by the first
time before taking the U turn, did you look into
the yard of forty three Lawer Glen and you could

(04:43:40):
already see people out there?

Speaker 7 (04:43:41):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:43:42):
Did it seem like they were waiting and expecting you
to come?

Speaker 7 (04:43:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (04:43:46):
Then you were coming.

Speaker 6 (04:43:47):
They knew you were coming. How many people did you see?

Speaker 3 (04:43:52):
Sustained? Sustained?

Speaker 2 (04:43:54):
I'm going to strike the response to the question that
was asked by the attorney that they knew that were coming?

Speaker 3 (04:44:00):
Okay, so please strike that from the evidence. Think you.

Speaker 6 (04:44:06):
You could see the people in the art? I could
from their demeanor? Did they appear to be surprised to
you that the car was there?

Speaker 7 (04:44:12):
Now?

Speaker 6 (04:44:13):
And how many people did you see in the art?

Speaker 26 (04:44:15):
Like eight or nine?

Speaker 7 (04:44:17):
Could it have been more?

Speaker 26 (04:44:19):
It could have? Yeah, people kept flowing in afterwards to
so more people came out after we got there.

Speaker 6 (04:44:27):
Did the crowd quickly grow?

Speaker 2 (04:44:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:44:30):
And how many people ultimately would you say we're there?

Speaker 26 (04:44:34):
I couldn't give you like a number, but it was
more than eight or nine at the end.

Speaker 9 (04:44:38):
And they.

Speaker 6 (04:44:43):
Started to swarm the car.

Speaker 26 (04:44:45):
Right, initially, not aggressively. They just came up to the
car to talk.

Speaker 6 (04:44:49):
Okay, that was the initial eight or nine or more
than that, the initial like eight or nine. And when
they came up to the car to talk, they came
up as a group, they did.

Speaker 9 (04:44:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:44:59):
And were they all on one.

Speaker 7 (04:45:00):
Side of the car.

Speaker 6 (04:45:01):
Did they surround the car?

Speaker 26 (04:45:02):
I think it was surrounded.

Speaker 9 (04:45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:45:05):
And where was your attention focused at that point?

Speaker 26 (04:45:10):
I was looking like towards the house through like the
little window on the back.

Speaker 6 (04:45:14):
All right, So not through the very rear window you're saying,
but through a side window that was looking at the house.

Speaker 7 (04:45:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:45:22):
And as you were watching that, you saw this initial
group approach the vehicle. Correct, And you were watching and
you could see more people coming behind, correct, Yes, And
those people were also coming at the car, correct.

Speaker 7 (04:45:37):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (04:45:40):
And you said that some of those people started talking
with Jack Snyder and Tyler de Silva, Right.

Speaker 7 (04:45:47):
Do you know who those people were?

Speaker 9 (04:45:48):
No?

Speaker 26 (04:45:49):
I never met him.

Speaker 6 (04:45:50):
These people were all strangers to you that were at
the forty three Laurel Glen Drive. And you described that
the conversation was peaceful at first. It was could you
hear what was being said?

Speaker 26 (04:46:01):
Not really, no, but I know it was an aggressive manner.

Speaker 6 (04:46:04):
Were the windows in the vehicle up or down?

Speaker 26 (04:46:09):
Jack's was definitely down. I don't know about the rest.

Speaker 6 (04:46:13):
Did any of the people in the back seat just
in front of you? Did any of them get out
of the car?

Speaker 26 (04:46:19):
Not in the beginning when we drove down.

Speaker 6 (04:46:21):
Afterwards, Okay, let's focus on where we are right now,
just in front of the house. Okay, none of them
got out of the vehicle at that point, and you
described that eventually. The conversation was peaceful at first, but
then it became less peaceful, shall we say, And that
was because the folks that came out of forty three.

(04:46:43):
Laurel Glenn said something, You're not sure what, and then
Jack said something back. You said, do you know what
Jack said back?

Speaker 1 (04:46:52):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:46:53):
Was Tyler saying anything back?

Speaker 26 (04:46:56):
At that point they both started talking back and forth
more aggressively with the people outside. I don't remember exact words.

Speaker 6 (04:47:03):
Was mister Valley talking with anybody outside the car?

Speaker 9 (04:47:06):
Not really?

Speaker 6 (04:47:07):
Not, Will sinju All talking with anybody outside the car?
Keenan FRAYSI talking now at this point where there are
people on all sides of the vehicle. Yeah, And people
started hitting the car, yes, people started throwing stuff at
the car.

Speaker 9 (04:47:20):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (04:47:21):
Could you hear things shatter or smash?

Speaker 7 (04:47:23):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:47:26):
You saw a kid on the back of the car, yes,
jumping up and down. How he was just on the
other side of where you were seated in the trunk? Yeah,
just one kid, a few kids, just one?

Speaker 7 (04:47:36):
Okay? How long did that go on?

Speaker 26 (04:47:42):
For like a minute and then Jack drove off?

Speaker 6 (04:47:48):
How did you feel back there?

Speaker 26 (04:47:50):
It wasn't the fun experience.

Speaker 6 (04:47:52):
You're scared?

Speaker 7 (04:47:53):
Yeah, terrified?

Speaker 6 (04:47:54):
Sure, And eventually the car drove off.

Speaker 7 (04:47:59):
He told us it did.

Speaker 6 (04:48:01):
And that vehicles, this vehicle that we see here in
State's Exhibit thirty right, correct, And when you got in
the vehicle that night, it did not have this deepfect.

Speaker 1 (04:48:13):
On the front windchield.

Speaker 7 (04:48:14):
It did not.

Speaker 6 (04:48:19):
Did you ever see anybody reach in to the driver's
side window.

Speaker 7 (04:48:25):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (04:48:26):
Did you ever see anybody lean in their upper half
of their body into the driver's side window and struggle
with Jack Snyder?

Speaker 7 (04:48:32):
I did not know. Are you certain that people were
surrounding the car and jumping on it?

Speaker 6 (04:48:37):
Yes, the car drove off and stopped. I think you've
described it as being just a little bit before thirty
six Laurel Glenn drive there. Can you point it out
to us? Do you have the pointer there.

Speaker 7 (04:48:55):
In that area? Okay? And that's what we saw on the.

Speaker 6 (04:49:00):
Video that was played for your exhibit forty four.

Speaker 7 (04:49:02):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (04:49:03):
And there were three people that we saw get out
of the vehicle at.

Speaker 7 (04:49:05):
That point, right. I thought it was just two.

Speaker 6 (04:49:10):
But did you see one person get out and walk
ahead of the vehicle and then two people remain behind
the vehicle?

Speaker 15 (04:49:17):
Sort of?

Speaker 26 (04:49:17):
I saw two people for sure. I don't remember there now.

Speaker 6 (04:49:20):
There were only seven of you in the car though, right, Correct.
You didn't pick anybody else up at any other point.
None of the folks from Trumbull High School got in
your car and rode with you, no, okay. And when
those people got out, you were still in the trunk area, correct.
And you saw in the video that people came chasing
down the street, right, yes? Do you recall seeing them

(04:49:41):
do that while you're in the car?

Speaker 7 (04:49:43):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:49:44):
And do you recall things being thrown at the vehicle
while that happened?

Speaker 9 (04:49:47):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (04:49:47):
Could you hear what was being shouted from inside the car.

Speaker 7 (04:49:51):
Now and.

Speaker 6 (04:49:56):
When that car got out and we saw that on
the video. And four do you think that was Tyler D.
Silva and Roe Valley who got out of the vehicle.
Do you think there was another person who also got out.

Speaker 7 (04:50:07):
Of the vehicle.

Speaker 26 (04:50:08):
I don't remember two people getting out.

Speaker 6 (04:50:10):
Of those people got out, and then the car continued
on down the road. Correct. Okay, So when that vehicle
stopped there where you've showed us before, and those people
got out, can you point to that again for us?
And then the car you remained in the vehicle and

(04:50:30):
it drove forward, correct, it came to a stop again.
Can you show us where it came to a stop again?
Right here, not that far down, not that far down,
but in front of that house there. Yeah, And then
you've described yourself as getting out of the car at
that point.

Speaker 7 (04:50:44):
Yes, you went and.

Speaker 6 (04:50:46):
Sat where.

Speaker 7 (04:50:48):
By the curb, like along this curve here, close.

Speaker 6 (04:50:51):
On the side of that house again. And where did
the vehicle stop at that point? The same spot, same spot, yeah,
in front of that house. Correct, But we don't see
it on that video when it does that. What a
man that you just watched Exhibit forty four the video

(04:51:11):
where the people get out of the vehicle. Yes, And
we didn't see that vehicle come to a stop and
you get out.

Speaker 7 (04:51:16):
Is that fair to say? Yeah?

Speaker 26 (04:51:17):
I did not get out.

Speaker 6 (04:51:18):
Then those folks that had chased the car, did they
continue to follow it as it went down the road
with you still in it?

Speaker 9 (04:51:25):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:51:26):
Where did they go?

Speaker 26 (04:51:27):
They went back the house?

Speaker 7 (04:51:29):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (04:51:30):
They didn't ever come down and talk to any of
the people that were down there.

Speaker 26 (04:51:34):
No, Like I said, they came up and talked to
Jack and not Jack Tyler and Ledo. They did not
come back when I got out the car, though they
were nowhere near me.

Speaker 7 (04:51:43):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (04:51:44):
So when you're sitting on the curb and the vehicle
is stopped by the intersection of Farmhouse Lane and Laurel
Glen Drive, you're sitting over there with Keenan Fresik, Will
Sindwald and Mackenzie Traffickanty correct, and the four of you
are sitting close together, right, Yes? How far away was
the vehicle from you at that point?

Speaker 26 (04:52:04):
A few steps just a few steps, Yeah, not far
at all.

Speaker 6 (04:52:07):
It didn't move from that position.

Speaker 10 (04:52:09):
No.

Speaker 6 (04:52:12):
And this conversation that you've described as being had between
the Shelton High kids and mister Valley and mister d Silva.
That had already occurred at that point before you.

Speaker 7 (04:52:22):
Got out of the vehicle yourself.

Speaker 26 (04:52:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:52:24):
And you say that those kids all went back to
the house. You didn't see them anymore, Yes, sir, So,
mister Valley and mister d Silva at least, and maybe
one other person that we saw in the video who
you're not sure it is. They had already gotten out
of the car before you got out of the car, correct,
And before Mackenzie and before Will and before Keenan got
out of the car, correct.

Speaker 7 (04:52:44):
Yes, when.

Speaker 6 (04:52:48):
But Jack was still driving the vehicle at that point. Yeah,
So Jack drove up and parked the vehicle, correct, And
then mister Valley and mister Silva came walking down to
the vehicle.

Speaker 7 (04:52:59):
Yeah, and you had you could see.

Speaker 6 (04:53:03):
All of these people. Which way was the vehicle facing.

Speaker 1 (04:53:07):
At that point, still facing them this way like it was.

Speaker 6 (04:53:12):
It was facing towards farmhouse lane. Yeah, you were looking
at the rear of the vehicle where you had previously
been sitting.

Speaker 7 (04:53:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:53:18):
How did you get out of the vehicle through the
rear hatch or did you climb over then? And you
said that you saw mister de Silva, mister Snyder and
mister Valley inspecting the car.

Speaker 26 (04:53:31):
We all were not just them like me Keena will to.

Speaker 6 (04:53:34):
So you got up off of the curb and went
over to look at the car. Yeah, okay, so now
you are not just sitting on the curb with mister
fray Sick and Miss Traffcanty and mister Sinchwald.

Speaker 7 (04:53:46):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 6 (04:53:47):
Yeah, you actually got up and went over to the car.

Speaker 7 (04:53:51):
With those two folks. Yeah.

Speaker 26 (04:53:52):
And we checked it out, okay.

Speaker 6 (04:53:54):
And you saw some dents and some scratches.

Speaker 7 (04:53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:53:57):
And you claim you heard mister ask for a knife
he did.

Speaker 9 (04:54:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:54:02):
Where were you standing when.

Speaker 26 (04:54:03):
That happened near the rear of the car, near the
rear of the car.

Speaker 6 (04:54:08):
Where was mister Valley when that happened?

Speaker 26 (04:54:10):
Also, like in the same area near the rear of
the car?

Speaker 9 (04:54:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:54:13):
Where was mister Fraysick when that happened?

Speaker 26 (04:54:16):
Next to me?

Speaker 6 (04:54:16):
Next to you?

Speaker 26 (04:54:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:54:17):
And where was mister Sinchwold also next to me? Okay?

Speaker 6 (04:54:22):
And then you saw mister Valley go tearing through the glovebox, right.
I never thought you saw him go tearing through the console, right,
I never thought. No, you didn't see mister Valley go
tearing through the glovebox and the console. I did looking
for a knife, sustained mister Fraysick was right beside you. Correct,
And you said mister Valley was more upset than Jack.

Speaker 7 (04:54:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:54:45):
Had you seen at any point in that evening mister
Snyder with a knife? I did not know, And you
can't remember mister Valley's exact words, but you said he
was mad and he was yelling. Yeah, what was mister
Snyder doing?

Speaker 26 (04:54:59):
He was also very upset that his car had dents
and scratches on it.

Speaker 6 (04:55:03):
And what was mister d Silva doing.

Speaker 26 (04:55:06):
I'm not sure at all.

Speaker 6 (04:55:08):
You didn't see a knife at any point. No, And
you said you were down there for a few minutes.

Speaker 7 (04:55:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:55:17):
Did you go back and sit on the curb?

Speaker 7 (04:55:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:55:20):
How soon after you claim to have heard mister Valley
asked for the knight? Did you go sit on the curb.

Speaker 7 (04:55:26):
After he asked?

Speaker 26 (04:55:27):
They went back and I sat there to wait.

Speaker 6 (04:55:30):
Yeah, And so you're sitting on the side of the
curb when you see mister d Silva and mister Snyder
and uh, mister Valley get back into the vehicle. Correct, Yeah,
it's still facing down towards Farmhouse Lane at that point. Yeah,
mister Snyder got in the driver's side, correct, Mister de
Silva got in the front passenger side.

Speaker 26 (04:55:51):
I don't remember where you where you sat at that point.

Speaker 6 (04:55:54):
Do you remember where mister Valley got into the car.

Speaker 4 (04:55:56):
Nah?

Speaker 6 (04:56:00):
And did mister Fraysick go back and sit down on
the curb with you at that point? Yeah, So mister
Fraysick wasn't sitting on the curb the entire time. He
came with you to where the car was to inspect it,
and then he went back and he sat down.

Speaker 7 (04:56:11):
On the curb.

Speaker 26 (04:56:12):
We were all like around the car. Yes, Now he
sat down and.

Speaker 6 (04:56:16):
You said you couldn't see where the car went, but
it headed off in the direction of forty three La Glenn.

Speaker 7 (04:56:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:56:22):
Yeah, And that eventually the car returned and you could
see that mister de Silva was all beat up right, correct?

Speaker 5 (04:56:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:56:32):
He was bloody, yes. And you said he could barely
form words.

Speaker 7 (04:56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:56:37):
Could you see injuries to his body or his face
his face was Daphne sworn. Any other injuries that you
could see that were apparent, nah, but just blood.

Speaker 7 (04:56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:56:46):
And you also told officers on May sixteenth that you
could see a cut on mister Valley's head.

Speaker 7 (04:56:51):
Correct.

Speaker 26 (04:56:52):
I don't remember saying that.

Speaker 6 (04:56:53):
Now do you recall in Madison's car seeing a cut
on mister Valley's head?

Speaker 26 (04:56:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:57:00):
You don't recall that.

Speaker 5 (04:57:01):
I do not know.

Speaker 6 (04:57:02):
You don't deny that you said that, You just don't
recall it.

Speaker 26 (04:57:06):
Yeah, right now, I don't recall a connage face.

Speaker 6 (04:57:09):
And you've told us here that you heard Leedo asking
if there was a knife. Do you recall telling officers
when you were interviewed that you think somebody was asking
for it? You think that was Leado? No, you're certain
that that was him, Yeah, for sure. Then you told
us that mister Valley got in the car with you

(04:57:30):
in the Madison Traffickanty's car, right, yeah? And where was mister.

Speaker 26 (04:57:34):
Valley sitting behind the passenger seat? And where were you
sitting behind the driver's seat?

Speaker 6 (04:57:39):
Okay, so you were sitting on opposite sides of the vehicle, correct?
And who was sitting in between you with anyone? And
where was McKenzie in the passenger seat? So in the
back seat it's you Keenan and then mister Valley, correct,

(04:58:00):
did you get a good view of mister Valley, not really,
it was dark, Okay. Could you see when he got
into the car, whether or not he.

Speaker 7 (04:58:08):
Had any injuries.

Speaker 26 (04:58:10):
Now, he looked fine to me, He.

Speaker 6 (04:58:11):
Looked fine to you. Didn't appear to be bleeding. No,
didn't appear to be maybe not as battered as mister
de Silva.

Speaker 9 (04:58:21):
He was not.

Speaker 26 (04:58:22):
He was not like Tyler at all.

Speaker 6 (04:58:24):
And on the way home, was it quiet in the car, Yeah,
nobody was talking.

Speaker 26 (04:58:32):
Keenan just asked leto what happened, and that's a.

Speaker 11 (04:58:37):
Miss.

Speaker 6 (04:58:37):
Valley didn't respond.

Speaker 7 (04:58:39):
He's injection calls for hears sake.

Speaker 3 (04:58:43):
What the defendant said?

Speaker 7 (04:58:45):
Yes, self serving, it's a statement of.

Speaker 3 (04:58:47):
A party opponent. Counsel said what mister Valley said?

Speaker 1 (04:58:55):
What the defendant? Oh, so.

Speaker 2 (04:59:03):
It's self serving at this point. So I'm going to
sustain the objection.

Speaker 1 (04:59:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (04:59:10):
You heard talking in the car? Yeah, you never saw
a knife that evening? Correct?

Speaker 7 (04:59:16):
I did not know.

Speaker 6 (04:59:20):
But you claim that you heard mister Valley asking for
a knife. Yes, and who was he asking for a knife?

Speaker 7 (04:59:28):
Jack?

Speaker 6 (04:59:31):
Did you see Jack Snyder with the knife?

Speaker 11 (04:59:33):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (04:59:37):
Nothing further, Thank you, Thank you?

Speaker 4 (04:59:40):
Can you redraft nothing further than to stay here.

Speaker 3 (04:59:45):
All right here NEXTI the ways.

Speaker 1 (04:59:47):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:59:52):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, the jury, we are going
to be a journey in just a moment. Again, I'm
going to remind you to abide by the rolls of jer.

Speaker 3 (04:59:59):
Hind doct that I heatedly gone through with you.

Speaker 2 (05:00:02):
And describe to at the beginning of the trial and
at the end of our list in evidence. I just
want to let you know that tomorrow we intend to
have a half day of evidence, so you will come
at your normal time and we would be a journey
by one o'clock tomorrow, Okay, most likely before them, but
by one, so that would allow you to at least

(05:00:22):
take a look at your schedules, and I told you
I would continue to keep you apprized of any changes
in our.

Speaker 3 (05:00:27):
Schedules, So you have a half day evidence tomorrow. Have
a good night. We'll see you like tomorrow morning. Thank
you for standing