Day 6

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
I am going to know the current the coort didn't
receive word from the clerk that a note had been
passed an.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Importance procedure by one of our jurors.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
That note does indicate that the jural would like to
speak to the court regarding the potential issue. So at
this point in time, I am going to be bringing
that jort in.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I want to make very clear the extent of the cord.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Media order, which is that there shall be no audio recording.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Or visual recording or live streaming or getting hide of jurors.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
So at this time I am going to order that
there will be no media photographing or live streaming.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hoping not to come into quitscons is going to get.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
You want to own at this time for purposes.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Of a canda.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So while you were yeah, well, when you are in
discuss a campus, that's going to be done anyway. That's
signed the presence of the jury. So I put the
witness under oath at this point in time for the purposes
of the canvas, and then we will put the witness
under ownly in the presence of the jury for purposes
of the jury's determination of credibility in the case.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Thank you, n appreciate you right hand, you saw me,
swear saw me, and sincerely firm as the case may be,
that the evidence you shall be of concerning this case
shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth. So if you got upon penalty of perjury,
if so, please hear it. Thank you. Please state your
full name, spelling, your last name and address for the records.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
All right, thank you, and you may be seated a right.
So this time I am going to.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Ask the prosecution and please provide on the record and
the alt line of the agreement that this sweetness is
me in the state.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
That may approach the witnesses.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Fruf Mars identication.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Showing you its margin setidic ninety four right, no occasion.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Are you familiar with.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Just briefly, Jack, I want to ask you questions about
your understanding of this agreement with the State of Connecticut.
Is it your understanding that, in consideration for your testimony
today and the cooperation during the investigative phase of this case,
as well as any testimony today or any investigative grand
jury or any other hearing, that the State of Connecticut

(02:33):
agrees not to prosecute you for the incidences or any
crime or crimes that occurred on May fourteenth of twenty
twenty two, And is it also your understanding that you
have to be truthful in your testimony and if you
are not truthful, that you could be prosecuted for any
said crimes that occurred on that day. Is it also
your understanding, based on this agreement that if you commit

(02:55):
any further crimes during the penancy of this case pursuing
to this agreement, that you could also be prosecuted for
the crimes that have that may have occurred on May
fourteenth of twenty twenty two. It is your understanding that
the agreement extends until the final conclusion of this case,
whether that be by plea trial by jury, or a

(03:17):
retrial on direct appeal. Is that you're understanding and if
you break this agreement in any way, that any any
statements that you gave before during your testimony, either today
or any other proceeding, could be used against you at
a subsequent trial.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Want Oh, that's true?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Thanks all right? Tray Smith.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Do you agree that the campus and the outline adequately
and clearly set forth the terms of the agreement that's
been long cause an exhibit for identification purposes, and.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
That would be.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
For the most part, I would just ask that a
question be asked as far as he's been questioned about
being truthful and who it is that determines the truthfulness?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
May I inquire you cant.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
As far as your expectation you're understanding is that in
consideration for your testimony, you won't be prosecuted, correct, And
as your understanding you will be afforded full immunity from
any crimes that could possibly be charged correctly.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
From May fourteen, twenty twenty two, correct.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
And that you have to testify truthfully?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (04:31):
And what is your understanding about who is going to
determine whether or not you testify truthfully?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Just about who I experienced? I'm a fourteen two.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
I understand sir? Who is it that determines whether or
not you testify truthfully?

Speaker 5 (04:46):
I guessin wantly so well?

Speaker 6 (04:48):
The agreements between you and the state correct? Correct, between
you and the prosecutor correct?

Speaker 7 (04:53):
Right?

Speaker 6 (04:54):
And you would agree that the prosecutor is the person
who can determine whether or not to charge you under
this correct? Would you agree then that it's the prosecutor
who determines whether or not you testify truthfully.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yes, that's your understanding, right.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
It's not whether I think you testify truthfully or whether
anybody else thinks you testified truthfully.

Speaker 8 (05:12):
Right.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
You didn't make this between me and you, okay, So
that's your understanding, is that you have to testify truthfully.
Prosecutor makes that determination, and if so, you're going to
have full unity. Is that fair decide?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (05:27):
You understand that this agreement is between you and the
state's attorney, right, and that you're into the bargain. Is
that you have to testify truthfully, right, and that the
prosecutor determines whether or not he thinks you broke this
our agreement by testifying truthfully or not truthfully.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, So it's the.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
Prosecutor who determines whether or not you've testified truthfully. Is
that fair decide? That's what you understand. Okay, nothing further on.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Thank you your own thank you?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
All right, So at this point in time, I am
going to just made one more internacy of the Terry
Smith once again, if there are any being mis aground
this agreement, that you have any concerns at this point
in time.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Not at this point in time, you honor with the
understanding that I'm able to cross examine them about it
when when he's on cross Exampa.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Certainly both parties are entitled.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
To that may approach the way insuran. There's the idea that.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
All right, so I in keeping with formality and format,
just with respect to the jury and what the jury
is seen, I am going to ask them to leave,
and my miss box allows them. It is to be
formally called the purpose of providing testimony and we will
put the way this under.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
For the purposes of the candle.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And now I'm just going to ask that you accidents
support and then you'll be escorted them in.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
To put my testimony.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Thank you very much, que thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
At this time I would have preferred to bring up through.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Amazing Generally, I love that.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Council.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Please stipulate to the presence of our jury last.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
One defense stipulations.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So you will notice that one of your fellow ers
is no longer with us. It's import in that you
not surmise or speculate as to why that.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Juror is no longer seated on the jury panel. Kind
of so I'm just going to direct you with perspective.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Please don't ask questions of fellowers or intend to guess
or speculate us to find that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Juror no level, but thank you so much. As such,
it's easier to view.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
The following jurors who are seated in the flask to
chairs of the jury bobs feel free.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Over to your.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Thank you all right? So with that, then I just
ask again.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It appears that we now have all of our jury
members that includes three alternates as a post to four alterns.
So counsel, would you agree that we have the piano
that we're moving forward.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
State will agree, Defense would agree on thank you so
much for Adam.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
So I would ask these states please call it's next.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Fodness stay would call Jack Snyder to the standard.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Mister Sider, please COMMI up take a step into the
late post.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Standing customer joys right answer, thank you?

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Do you saw me?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Swear saw me, and sincerely affirm, as the case may be,
that the advdent you shall give concerning this case.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth. So hope you got oup on penalty of perjury.
If so, please say I thank you. Please state your
full name, spelling your last name and addressed for the records,
Jack thank you may be good morning, Jack. Can you

(08:50):
please tell the ladies and gentlemen jury, how old you are,
do you go to school, where do you go to school?
And what are you studying? And do you know why
you're here today? And why are you're here today? Testify
in relation to.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
What's occur on May fourteen, twenty two.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
And have we met before in connection to this case?
And can you tell me a little bit about the
circumstances surrounding how we initially met.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
So I hired my attorney and he went to the
State of Communticut and they formed an agreement that I
would provide full detail and truth that would happened on
that day.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
And consideration for your what's your understanding with that? With
that agreement that.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
I would not be prosecuted?

Speaker 4 (09:38):
And is there any consequences if based on what you
would tell us today.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
If I were to lie about what happened or any
more from charges you are liable.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
That many purposes with showing you into the market states
Exhibit ninety four right down purposes I do and what
is ninety I agree this disagreement ACCOMPLI between you and
the State of Connecticut. A testimony constrain.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
No Chuck except in the evidence of the State's ninety one.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now, Jack, I want to ask you, are you familiar
with an individual by the name of Tyler de Silva?
How are you familiar with him? And how did how
did you become friends? And uh back on May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two? How old were you and where
were you in school? I was a junior where, Joseph,

(10:48):
are you familiar with an individual by the name of
Raoul Valley? Does he have a nickname? And how are
you familiar with him? Is he present in the courtroom today?
What is he wearing? And can you please point him
out for the record? Your the record reflect that the
witnesses identified the defendant in this case. Records now, and

(11:11):
I'll bring it back to the events of May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. There was a party at lazy
Brook that night. Prior to the party at lazy Brook,
tell us what you what you were doing?

Speaker 5 (11:26):
I was riving to go pick up you know?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
And what were you driving?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
On the pilot? And said you were going?

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Is this a state's exhibit thirty? Is that a picture?
What's that a picture of on the pilot? Is that
the car you were driving on May fourteenth of twenty
twenty two, and you say you were going to pick
up the defendant. Where were you going to pick him up?
Where's his house?

Speaker 7 (11:50):
And?

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Uh, what time of day would you say you were
going to pick him up?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
At night? Probably around nine it.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Was dark already. And when you got to his house,
where did you go after that? And where where does
Tyler live? When you picked Tyler up? Was there any
alcohol in the car at that time?

Speaker 5 (12:15):
At that time?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Wasn't until who got in the car? So Tyler brought
alcohol in the car? What kind of things did he
bring in the car?

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Two bottles of naka?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And when you left Tyler's house, where did you go?
We went straight to the party, the party at Lazybrook.
Do you know whether or not you were invited to
that party? You and your friends? And when you got
there or on what time of night would you say
you got there.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Technically maybe a little bit later.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
And when you got there, how many people would you
say we're at the party? Probably maybe? And what kinds
of things were going on at this party? Just drinking
stuff like that. When you say drink drinking alcohol? Was
alcohol being provided at the house or was it bring
your own alcohol alcohol And when you got to the

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party were you drinking? Were you drinking prior to getting
to the party, And when you got to the party,
how long were you withdrawn? Did there come at a
point in time where you were under under the impression
that you guys had to leave? How we were and

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when you were being told to leave? Did you encounter
two individuals that you were not familiar with at that party?
And can you tell us a little bit about how
that happened?

Speaker 8 (13:45):
So we were under the impression that maybe a listed
at the party if we removed people who were also uninvited.
So when these two individuals came, I didn't know who
they were, and we were told some believe, So.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
We went up to him and we just told him
they weren't welcome there any.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
When you were at the party at Laserbrook, between the
time you got there and the time those people came up,
how long a period of time was then?

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Thirty minutes? Forty five minutes?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
And when you got there? You call what you were
wearing that night, I.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Believe a red sweatshirt.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
You recall what the defendant was wearing that.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
I believe for Jersey, show your states Exhibit third fifty three.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Can you identify the people in stage fifty three and
who's the person on the left in the red sweatshirt?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Who's the person on the right that's Lido?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
And is this what he was wearing on May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
It is.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I noticed that he's wearing a helmet and a neck below.
Did he come come to Lazybrook like that? Can you
tell us the circumstances surrounding how that he came to
be wearing those items?

Speaker 5 (15:03):
I think he just found them maybe in the mutter
room we're in the garage, and.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Just put them on. Did he put them on almost
immediately when he got there?

Speaker 5 (15:12):
I wouldn't say so. Maybe thirty minutes, twenty minutes after
we got there.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
So shortly before the two individuals that were also not invited,
at least that you're aware of, arrived at the house.
So when you encountered these individuals, tell us about what
happened during your interaction. Well, let me withdrawn. Did you
have an interaction with these two individuals when they came
tell us about that.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
So one of them was only a piece of beer, and.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
We said that he'd be able to stay he took
his beer, and he gave us his beer, and he
didn't want to give us his beer. So the conversation
started to get a little bit more aggressive, and we
moved from the garage to the driveway, and that's when
I took his beer from him.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
You took his beer from him? And when you took
his beer from him, did the not what was said?
But was there another more interaction between you and the
individual you took the beer from and what was that like?

Speaker 5 (16:08):
And he's squaring up with me initially, and then I
scuored up with him, so.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
You were going to fight for the beer? That good, right?
And do you recall how the fight started? And how
did the fight start?

Speaker 8 (16:22):
After we squared open with each other, came around and
hit him in the back, and then and then he
lunched forward at me?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
And how long would did the fight last? For?

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Very?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
And you recall when he lunged at you? Did you
recall what happened after he lunched at you? And when
you fell to the floor. Do you recall if anybody
else jumped in on the fight at that point in time?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Tyler and Ledo were helping me out while I was
on the floor.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
And how long did the fight last?

Speaker 7 (16:52):
For?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Thirty seconds? Jack? Have you seen a video of this
fight before? So? Jack there, do you have your your
monitor in front of You're gonna ask you if you
can identify this person in the red Do you know

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who that is? The person in the green that appears
that you were fighting?

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Who is that? The Shelton person that I was fighting?

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Is that the kid you took the beer from. Yes,
the kid here with the dark pants and light blue shirt.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I can rewind it. If you can't, can you rewind
it a little bit? That that's lead out behind the
kid from Shelton?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Can you go a little forward? Now?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
This person right here with what appears to be a
light blue jersey and jeans, who's that? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Do you call the fight happening that way? Yeah? Now,
the fight lasted about thirty seconds. You said, after the
fight broke up, can you tell us what happened after that?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
We all got up and I think Sheldon kids went
down the driveway and thank.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
Everyone from the party started dispersing outside, and the mother
of the house kind of shut the party down.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
And when the mother shut the party down, where did
you uh, what if anything were you guys planning to
do at that point?

Speaker 5 (18:46):
At that point to still home maybe until we got
added to a group chat?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You were added to a group chat? Do you know
who added you? I don't know what was the name
of the group chat? You recall something along line in
the basketball team And when you got added to this
group chat? Did you know why you got added to
the group chat? After looking at the text?

Speaker 5 (19:10):
I did?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
And why? Why do you believe you were added to
the group chat?

Speaker 8 (19:14):
Because the kids are at that party were upset what
happened and wanted to meet somewhere to fight us.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
So did you engage anybody in that group chat? I
might have sent a couple of texts back such as what.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Along the lines of that we were going to fight them?
Or they wanted to fight us, I was gonna come,
or something along.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
So you were you were willing to go meet them
to fight. And at some point in time after the
fight did you get in your car? And how long
between the time the fight ended and the time you
got in your car getting ready to leave? How long
was that?

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Maybe five minutes?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And did anybody else get in the car with you?

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Who?

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Who else got in the car with you.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Was Dmitri, Will, Tyler, Liedo, McKenzie Wesso.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
So you said Dimitri and Keenan. Who's Dimitri and Keenan friends?
Did you go to school with them? And?

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
That would be demetriosar Fanis and Keenan Frasik Uh And
you said Will, who's Will? And did you go to
school with him at Saint Jose? And uh, you said Mackenzie,
who's McKenzie And did you go to school with her
at Saint Jose? And what was significance of mackenzie? Traffic

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conte at that moment in time leading Lido. So it
was seven of you in the car. It was you
who drove the car. Do you recall who was in
the front seat when you left? And do you recall
who was in your back seat?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Everyone else?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
You don't recall where everybody was sitting at any particular
time when you left Lazy Brook? Where did you guys
head to.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Think?

Speaker 8 (21:04):
They were initially planning on meeting us at Trumble High School?

Speaker 5 (21:08):
That was what I was them the impression of. So
we went to Trumble High and see a couple of
people there.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
And when you got to Trumble High school. What did
you guys do when you got there?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Were in the parking lot and there was a black w.

Speaker 8 (21:26):
Apparently it was one of I believe Keenan's friends or
someone in the car new them two kids, but they
weren't who we were looking for. So we kind of
just stayed in the parking lot for about ten minutes
or so.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
And when you were in the parking lot for ten minutes,
did you all get out of the car. I don't believe.
So no one got out of the car, maybe to
go relieve themselves or walk someplace else, go talk to
those kids in the BMW.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
We were conversing through the windows in our cars, and
what kinds of things were you conversing about?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I think we were asking them to come along with
us to fight, okay, so that you.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Made them aware of a potential fight that was going
to happen. And was were you having a conversation with
the defendant? Uh, when you were at Trumble High School
about what had a credit? Lazybrook or this potential fight?
It was conversation and what kind of thing kinds of
things were you guys talking about? Were gone and fight them?

(22:20):
The intent was to fight them? Now you said you
were there for about ten minutes. After about ten minutes,
did you become aware that it was time to leave
Troumble High School? How did you become aware.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Of that and told us to go over to that
house and that's what they would be.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
And did you in fact drive over to that house?
You in the front seat driving? And who was in
the front passenger seat?

Speaker 5 (22:49):
Tyler?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
And when you when you got over there, do you
recall what the house looked like when you got there?

Speaker 8 (22:58):
I just knew there was a driveway on the right
and the front lawns States.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
Exhibit forty nine is States Exhibit forty nine. I'll look
familiar to you.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
It does.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Is that the house that you went to two and
you were called you're from Norwalk?

Speaker 7 (23:22):
You were call your path of travel when you got
to that house that night? Yeah, it was from Adams,
was from Adams may approach. I'm sure your State's exhibit one.
When you say that it was from Adams. You're talking
about this road here in the right of seasons one.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
You came in that way. And when you came in
that way, what what did you do? Did you drive
by the house? We parked out at the end of
the street. And when you say you parked at the
end of the.

Speaker 9 (23:50):
Street, can you tell from States exit forty nine where
exactly you've barked the right to the end?

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Sorry? Right, if I put my fingers, let me know if.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
I'm in the right area right around you're yeah, So
if the record reflecting States forty nine at the bottom
portion of a picture just to the left of the
trees that are on the property across the street from
forty three lower blind near the intersection of Adam's and Bowl.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
And when you got there, did you did you see
anybody outside of the property at that point time? And
when you got there, Uh, did you or anybody from
your group indicate to anybody in the group chat that
you guys are at the house? And when that happened?

(24:40):
What occurred? When that happened, you started flowing out, probably
from the back the driveway.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
After your head.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
And when you say coming back from the back of
the of the house, you know exactly what portion of
the house they came from. But they came down on
the driveway. And when they came down the driveway, did
they approach your car? And when they approached your car,
do you what was the lighting like out that night.
It was dark, but you could you see in front

(25:11):
of you?

Speaker 5 (25:12):
I couldn't tell faces, but I could see out Could
you see, uh you know?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Was there a light from the house that was shining?
Your headlights were on at some point providing some light?
When the when the individual individuals did they approach your car?
When they approached your car? How close did they get
to your car? Right? It didn't touch And were you
familiar with anybody that approached your car at that moment

(25:38):
in time? And did you have a conversation. Did you
or anybody in the car have a conversation with anybody
that approached your car that night? What was the conversation initially.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
Like very aggressive. You didn't expect to see so many
people there, so we were kind of already on our
backs and they surrounded the car. The windows were cracked
so you could talk talking to the car, and they
were screaming, cursing, goelling of the car the car.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Like that. What were they doing spitting out the car,
keep touching the car? Were you guys saying anything back
to them?

Speaker 5 (26:17):
I don't remember the conversation.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
We were both going back and forth kind of so
were you arguing with them also.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Really so yes?

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Okay? And how long would you say that that occurred?

Speaker 5 (26:29):
For thirds?

Speaker 4 (26:33):
At some point in time after thirty forty seconds, what
did you do.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Kind of it's my car a little bit to clear
the way, and then you drove off?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
And when you drove off, where did you drive to?

Speaker 5 (26:47):
I drove down in the street about five hourses down
and then stopped them.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
And when you stop the car, what happened? I let
people out of the car. Do you recall who got
out of the car with.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
People in the back who wanted to get a ride home?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
And uh, why do you know why they wanted to
ride home?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Because they didn't want to be involved? And what just occurred?

Speaker 4 (27:12):
And uh, at some point in time down the road?
And when you say down the road, are you talking
if you're looking at States one? Are you going driving
down towards Farmhouse Lane? Okay? And do you recall where
on Laurel Glenn or where on the road I should say,
did you stop the car? Was it close to the

(27:33):
intersection of Farmhouse and in Laurel Glenn? And when you
got out when you stop the car, did at some
point in time you have an interaction with anybody else?
That was not related to your car.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
I believe we did.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Can you tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
There were a couple of kids running down the street.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
And when they ran down the street, do you know
what they did?

Speaker 5 (27:58):
I think they were talking to people who exuited in
my car.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Do you know who they were talking to? I O cool?
Were you still in the car at this point and
do you recall what, if anything, was anything thrown from
your car or towards your car at that point? I
don't remember the time my car when you were down
the street and there were individuals out of your car,

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did you see any anybody engage in any physical altercation
down the road? Did you see anybody from that other
group with any weapons on them at that point in time?
At some point in time, did you drive the car
down the road and turn back? And when you did that,

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what did you do? Did you did you get in
the car? Did you get out of the car? What
did you do?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
And we went out to check the damage in the car.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
When you said we, who's we?

Speaker 8 (28:53):
I think they were already down the street. I drove
off and then I came back around, and then I
got out of the corner. We were all kind of
outside the car.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
So were you the only person in the car that
drove down and came back? And when you came back,
Mackenzie was out of the car already, Tyler the defendant
will Canaan Demetrius. And when you got back, you stopped
the car. And when you got out of the car.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
What did you do when you were looking at your
car just observing?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
What did you observe?

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Thence next on the car and something on the windsield.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Showing your stage thirty one? Is this something that you
saw on the night of May fourteenth two? By the way,
what time would you say you got to forty three
Laurel Lane on May fourtell?

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Maybe eleven thirty eleven?

Speaker 9 (29:49):
So this defect in the windshield here was that there
prior to getting to laureld Lynn.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
So that that was that happened when you got to
Laurel Land. Good and uh when you were inspecting your car, Uh,
tell tell us how you felt about what had just
occurred to your car.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I kind of distraught and upset that my car was
damaged destroyed?

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Was anybody else distraught and upset? Can you please explain
how how he was upset with regards to your car.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
He initially saw the damaged before I did. That was
the last thing out of my car. He was just
going around and you know, look what they did to
your car.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
On those lines. What was he saying anything else with
regards to you know, look what he just said, Look
what they did to your car. He didn't say anything else.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
He was just distorted about what happened in my car.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Was he was he more upset than you.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Maybe visibly, I was quite upset.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Was he aggressive?

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (30:54):
And when when he was acting in the way? What
if anything happened during during this inspection of your car?

Speaker 5 (31:07):
He came back around and I asked for the knife.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
And when you say the knife, what do you mean?

Speaker 8 (31:13):
I carried a pocket knife at the bottom of the
center console and it's always been there from when I
got the car initially.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Why was it there?

Speaker 8 (31:24):
Just any any really reason I would eat a knife?
It was there, you know that cut anything whatever, just
at the bottom of my center console. Those random items
were along with it. But I knew it was there.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
And when they initially surrounded my car, I can't get
it out and put it on my waist.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
So you're talking about down in front of forty three,
Laurel Lamb, when your car started to get when they
were rocket did you show it to anybody? And when
you did that, why did you do that?

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Just because I didn't expect so many people there.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
And after you're seeing what they were doing in my
car and how they were talking, I just felt like
he was.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
My own safety. I just down and put it down,
just in case anything were to happen.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Now, after you left that initial interaction, when you say
you took the knife out and you put it on
your lap and you went down the street, could you
have just left the area and not going back?

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Good ass?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
But you didn't do that right. And you say that
the defendant asked you for the knife? Tell me what
what kinds of what kind of things was he saying?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
He just said the knife, the knife along these bones?

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Did he say in an aggressive manner?

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Really just kind of ask for it?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Approach? Wouldn't shun?

Speaker 5 (32:49):
And what is the h copy? Is this you're an accurate?
Is that it is no jest?

Speaker 4 (33:05):
We'retle accepting evidence states ninety five.

Speaker 9 (33:07):
Full exhibit showing your state's ninety five is now the
market is a full exhibit?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Is this the knife that you had on your in
your vehicle on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Is
this the knife that you that the defendant was looking
for in May fourteenth to twenty twenty two. Now you
indicated that the car you had this in your center council.
I'm gonna show your States thirty two picture of the
inside of your car.

Speaker 9 (33:35):
And when you say you're the center console, are you're
indicating that this area here or are you indicating the glove.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Box the center console? So it's pointy two the left
of States thirty two, the center console area of the
carp and you had.

Speaker 9 (33:49):
Taken it out of this area, put it on your lap,
and you initially got the forty three Laureld Glens.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
And when the defendant asked for the knife on May fourteenth,
to tell us about what happened? Didn't did you give
it to him? What happened? You gave him the knife?
And when you gave him the knife? Uh, why did
you do that? I wasn't really thinking.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
I just gave it.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Now is there any conversation between you or anybody else? Uh?
Just slightly before or after you give the defendant the knife?
And what are you guys talking about?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Timer, maybe Leto. I think they knew people at the party.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
I didn't, but they wanted to go back because maybe
they recognized a couple of kids, and they were gonna
go try and talk to him. Calm me down, maybe
just take peace with him. That's the old plan.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
And uh, did you in fact get in your car? Okay?
Who got in your car?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
I got in the driver's seat and Leto got in
the passenger, retired in the back.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
And did anybody else get in the car at that
point in time? And when you got in the car,
where did you go?

Speaker 5 (35:08):
We drove up towards the lawn.

Speaker 9 (35:15):
Did you say drove up to the front lawn and
States forty nine? Can you show us in States forty
nine where you drove up right to the right and
the red bush this bush bus you stopped here?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
And when you stopped there? What happened when you stopped there?

Speaker 5 (35:30):
I tell them, you know, got out?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
And where did they go?

Speaker 5 (35:34):
I listarted walking towards the crowd of people that.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Was on the lawn.

Speaker 8 (35:37):
And when they did that, did you what did you do?
I was at my windows down and I was kind
of watching and just making sure they were okay.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
And did you stay in that area.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
I stay right right parallel to him the whole time.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Did you move the car up a little bit?

Speaker 5 (35:52):
I crept up as they walked up. I mean you
walked up.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
We were able to observe the interaction between Uhler and
the defendant and the group from forty three Loyld Glen. Okay,
I could see what was going on. Now prior to
getting there, were you ever under the impression that you
were told to leave and get out of here? Do
you recall that I can't call that?

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Now, when you were when Tyler and the defendant get
out of the car and they're and they're on the
property here, they're on the property. What kinds of things were?
Was there any verbal interaction between the defendant and Tyler
and the people from forty three Loyald Line.

Speaker 8 (36:36):
Yeah, they were conversing, but it didn't sound aggressive. And
at first show your States four?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Do you call where your carnal was in States four?
When you noticed that they were conversing.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
A little bit in between them. I was kind of
in the middle of the street just watching.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
It, okay, And you were in the driver's seat, car
was on you were looking over your shoulder, ye through
the window? Who window was on? Now? And you said
that you heard talking back and forth. It was normal
at first and how long would you say? It was normal?

Speaker 5 (37:16):
For a and twenty seconds?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
And then at some point in time did it escalate? Good?
And can you tell us about.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
That someone came out from the crowd and stayed in
the face and.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
When that happened, what did you observe? Okay, at that point,
did you observe where the defendant was after he got punched?
Did you observe where Tyler was after that happened at
some point in time? Or do you stay in that
area right as the fight's going on? And at some

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point during the fight, does anybody come back to your car?
And when he comes back to your car, does he
get in the car? How do you open the door? Okay,
the door? And after he opened the door, what if
anything did you observe him do next? He just went back?
And when he went back at some point in time,

(38:12):
how long did he from the time he left your
car to go back? Did he come back to the.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Car at some point he came back back and then
came back.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
How long did that take do you think you did
you didn't seem if he went back into the fight.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
You just I think he went back into the fight.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
And when he did you see him engage anybody in
the fight at that point? At some point in time
does the fight end or what?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I think?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
You know?

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Got back in the car first in first?

Speaker 4 (38:51):
And where did he get in the car? He got
in the passenger seat, the front passenger seat. Okay, And
at some point in time did Tyler come back to
the car.

Speaker 8 (38:59):
He came in Afterlo got in the passenger seat and
first and he was like all the straight up and
said something along along the lines of like I think
I just stabbed like four people or something like that,
holding the knife.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
He said he stabbed four people he was holding the knife.
And how soon after he said that did Tyler de
silvicate in the car?

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Maybe ten seconds after I kind of crept up a
little bit more so.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
You started to move, and then Tyler jumped in. Where
where did he jump in? Was it on the passenger
side of the driver's side. And when he got in
the car, h what did you do next?

Speaker 5 (39:43):
I took off down down the street towards Adams.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Okay. So if we're looking at States one, you took
off towards Adams. When you got to Ams, this way right,
Adams right? And when you got to Adams, where did
you go to the left? So he went down here
and you hit the cold sack? What happened when you

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hit the cold sack?

Speaker 6 (40:11):
So as that was going around where you stopped the
car at one point, what if anything happened when you stopped.

Speaker 10 (40:18):
The cart on through the knight saw him for the knife?
Did he throw the knife direct into the woods area.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
That was right there? Show you states exhibited forty five
the cul de Sac Adams Road. Do you pull that?

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah? I do?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
And this looked like se it's forty six. This looked
like the wooded area where the knife was tossed. And
after he threw the knife in the woods, what happened
after that? Did you get back in the car? And
when he got back in the car, what if anything
did he say?

Speaker 5 (40:58):
I don't him saying anything.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
You got back so you got back in the car,
and what did you do?

Speaker 8 (41:02):
I took off into the right back on the street,
which is where we've you were getting their rides.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
So you you drove back down Laurel Lane, so you
came back on stage one and came back down this way,
took a right on Laurel Lane past the house again,
and you met people down here, the people that were
originally in your car.

Speaker 9 (41:26):
And when you got down to that end of the street,
what if anything happened when you got there?

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Uh got to you all? I think that's where he
was getting peeped up.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Do you know who? He was getting picked up by?
Ian McKenzie's sister was coming to pick her and and
uh when he uh so he got out of the
car at that point, and when he got out of
the car, what what happened? When he got out of
the car, took off towards house? And when you took off,

(41:59):
did you know how to get home from where you were?
And you drove down to uh to Tyler's house. And
when you got to Tyler's house, did you have what
happened when you got to Tyler's house?

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Uh? We met.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
He was outside and did you were you talking with
Owen Silva? Did you tell them what happened? Did you
and Tyler Silva? Not what you guys said, but did
you have a conversation with Tyler on the way from
Laurel Glenn to Milford? When you talk to Owen and
what kinds of things were you saying to Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 8 (42:40):
I got told him Lado's side, something like oh my god,
I the people or something. We're talking about his injuries
because Tyler was all bloodied up and that How.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Did Edo appear? Did you get a good look at Leedo.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Pretty bludded out? They were both kind of beat up.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah, And uh, did you say anything else when you
were talking when you were when you were going to Milford.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
The conversation was kind of along the lines of like
how are we going to get back at these people?
Because at the time we had no idea severity of
the situation. Like when Leitos said like I sad people,
I'm thinking like he's on the ground and maybe hit
someone in the leg or something and got out of
it and got back in my car.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
So it was kind of like the tension was kind
of still there.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
And then the group chat, kids were still texting in
the group chat, so it was kind of just still
kind of aggressive in the group So we were just.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Kind of talking about, like how we're going to get
back at these guys.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
You didn't understand the severity of it. It's always they
were going home. And did you text anything in the
group chat after after the incident? Did what did you text?

Speaker 8 (43:47):
Like?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
I said something along the lines of like enjoy the
hospital visit or something.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
And at some point in time you talked to Owen
de Silva do you do you do you stay in
Milford that night or do you leave? You go to
home and home back to Norwalk? And when you go
back to Norwalk when you get home, do you have
any conversation with anybody when you get home? Yeah? And

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did you tell your father what had happened? And not
what he said to you, but what was his appearance
to you when you told him what had happened?

Speaker 8 (44:26):
He kind of looked sea and you could kind of
give me the question, this is going to be something
more serious, and I kind of thought it was.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
At some point in time, did you have another conversation
with another family member? Who did you have a conversation
with and who's your cousin? And you talked about what
had happened at forty three laure Old Glenn? And at
some point in time were you contacted by the Shelton
Police Department anyway? Was it how long? How close in

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time was it from the time of the incident to
the time show the police department contacted you. It was
that morning. And did you talk to the police at
that point in time when my father I just told
you your attorney, so you hired a lawyer at that
point And again that was May fifteenth of twenty twenty two.
And at some point in time, do you recall in consulting,

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consulting with your lawyer and your and your father or
your parents, do you recall wanting to meet with the
State's Attorney's office with regards or the station and police
Apartment in the States Attorneys off with regards to this incident?
And is that when your lawyer approached State's Attorney's office
to give us potential information about about this case, in

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particular where the knife was discarded. And it is the
first time that you spoke to law enforcement regarding this case?
Was that on November two, twenty two? I really so?
And did you give a subsequent interview with law enforcement
to clarify anything that may have been misunderstood? We have

(46:13):
a moment here, have no other questions trying to thank you.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Good morning, mister Snyder. You and I have never met before,
never talked about this case before. Well, so let's talk
a little bit about it now. You told us that
the evening began with you picking up mister Valley and
mister da Silva in your Honda Pilot that evening sometime, correct,

(46:42):
and then you took everybody over to five Lazybrook, correct.
And that's where you had been invited over to the
Lifer's house.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Right, No, No, we weren't invited. I think we just
got word that there was a party there.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
Okay, who'd you get that word from?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Remember?

Speaker 7 (46:57):
Who know?

Speaker 4 (46:58):
But eventually what?

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Okay, you got there and you were there for one
or two hours?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
That sounds right.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Did you see the Lifers when you were there? You
knew Madigan from school?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I did?

Speaker 6 (47:15):
And you knew Austin from school. Did you see Austin
that evening?

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Briefly?

Speaker 10 (47:20):
I did?

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
You said there were maybe forty people there when you
got there. You'd been drinking at the party and beforehand, yes,
but you didn't bring the alcohol. That was Tyler de
Silva who brought the alcohol. And then two individuals that
you didn't know arrived and you told him that they

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had to leave.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Right.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
Did one of those individuals the one holding the case
of beer. Did he give you a beer? Did he
give mister Valley a beer? Did he seem to you
like he was trying to make friends.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
With you initially maybe the party at the.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
End of the party to get into the party, gotcha?
And you told him that he needed to give you
that beer. Yes, a dispute broke out about whether or
not you're going to actually get that beer from him. Correct.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
Yeah, it was about him giving us the beer and
then in turn, he'd be able to stay at the party.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
We say, giving us the beer. You were the one
asking for the beer, right, Yeah, you were the one
who was talking with this individual, right, Okay, Tyler de
Silva was talking to him, and Tyler okay. And yet
the person that squares up, that's you, right, because you're

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the person who took the beer from him.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Right.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
So would you agree that you were the person that
was having the most direct interaction with mister and you
later come to find out that that person was Ryan Hines. Yes,
And you said that you moved to the driveway and
that's where you squared up, and you had the fight, right,
and you guys were moving around in that course of
that fight. The video that we watched. That doesn't catch

(49:19):
the initial stages of that fight, does it.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
I don't think the fight started until that video.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
Okay, that catches the very beginning of that fight. So
you guys had not begun fighting until you got out
into the driveway, yes, And people sort of formed a
circle around, right, There were some folks watching, and it
was just you and mister Hines that we're going to
have this square off. And you said, mister Valley came

(49:50):
around and hit him in the back of the head, right,
and that he lunged at you or you lunged at him.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Sorry?

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Uh so, Ryan Lung, is that you you'd already taken
a punch at mister Hines at that point he tackles
you to the ground.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
He's on top of you.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
A group descends and tries to break that thing up. Right.
At some point you all get up and you go
your separate ways. Yeah, the kids from Shelton High that
had just been involved with the fight, they walked down
the driveway and get in the car somewhere. Did you

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see them do that? And where was your car parked?

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Left? Looking down the driveway?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
He was off to the left.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Okay, so nearby and you how long before you got
in your car and left, did you see at any
point missus Lifer come out, shut the party down and
give the beer back to mister Hines.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
I heard back the bear.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
In any event, you didn't have the beer anymore at
that point, correct? You said after that the plan was
to go home? Right when you say, go home to
your own home.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
That night?

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Where are you going to be sleeping that night, Tyler
de Silva's. And as far as Tyler d Silva that
was a close friend of yours, do you remain close friends?
And would you say you were closer with mister d
Silva than you were with mister Valley?

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I would I think that's fair to say you.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Weren't going to sleep at mister Valley's house.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
That night, It was possible when I think the plan
was to sleep at uh.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Okay, so we slept out at.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
And you said at some point you got added to
this basketball group chat, right, correct? Sorry, we've got the
court quorter here and you have to say out loud
something you can't get it. You didn't create that group chat.
Mister Valley didn't create that group chat. Mister de Silva

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didn't create that group chat, but you got added to it.
When you got added to it was mister Valley also
added to it at the same time.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I'm not sure if you added, but I knew a
couple of us were. I'm not sure exactly who, but
we were all talking about it.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Okay, who else was on that group chat?

Speaker 8 (52:38):
They're probably a good twenty people in it, and about
probably three or four of us in it, so it
was majority added.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
It wasn't aware of. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
So when you were looking at that group chat, you
couldn't see the names of the folks that you didn't know.
You just saw numbers as up there. But you quickly
got an understanding of who those unknown numbers were, right,
and you understood that that was the kids, at least
some of the kids, and kids who were related to
the kids that you had just gotten into the fight with, right,

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because you said that there was your understanding, based on
what they were texting, was that they wanted you to
fight with them, right, And you sent texts back indicating
you were willing to do that. Right, And so you
got back in the car with Demetrius, Keenan, Will Tyler
De Silva, Roll and McKenzie Traffic County, And did they

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all know that you were getting in the car to
go fight these kids.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
That people who were going to be in my car
were going there.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
So McKenzie Traffic Caanty knew that you were going in
the car to go fight.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
A system.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
When you say that people in the car knew that
you were going to go fight, what led you to
believe that they knew that?

Speaker 8 (54:02):
I kind of went up and after we were in
their group chat, I was like, I kind were already
in the car or driving. Guys said, if you're in
the car or you're getting in my car, we're going
to go like people. And I think the people in
my car agreed they were going with us.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Demetrious Keenan, will Sindwell, Tyler di Silva, Rowland Valley, McKenzie,
traft Canting Yep. So you told us you were driving
and that Tyler Disilva was the passenger at this point, right,

(54:39):
And so you got in the car and you went
over to Trumbull High School and there you said that
you were expecting to find the kids who were using
this basketball group chat to invite you to fight, Right,
they weren't there. You said there was a black BMW
there black.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
I think it was a dark colored could it.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
You don't think it was a white BMW.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
I don't remember always it.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Was dark.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
As far as the time of day, it was dark
that night. And the people in that BMW those were
people that your group.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Knew, right release someone in my partner them.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
And you said you were there for ten minutes. Nobody
got out of the car.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
What were you doing in the car? Music on most
car running? Seven of you in the car talking through
the window. You told us to the other vehicle there
was there another vehicle there with a group of girls
in it.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
And then you said, while you were sitting there on
this group chat text, somebody not from your group sends
the address forty three World Glenn Drive, right, And it
was your understanding that that was now where these kids
wanted you to come in order to have a fight,

(56:12):
and you drove there because you wanted to have a fight.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yes, did you know these kids?

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
And you didn't even know where this was, right, You're
from Norwalk, and so you get this address there, forty
three Laurel Glenn Drive. You got six other people in
the car. You don't even know where it is, You
don't even know who these kids are, and you decide
you're going to drive everybody over there.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
Well, I didn't know it was a party. I'm assuming
that that maybe the kid who was just in a
scuffle with us, they maybe had a couple of friends
and wanted to settle it or something.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
So that's why.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
We drove over.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
To a fight.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
Your response when you're driving for the people that are
in that vehicle, right, Yes, you thought that was a
good idea to drive all those folks over there to
forty three lower lane drive.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
It was a loose understanding.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
You thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
I wasn't thinking about the potential consequences.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
You were sixteen years old, right, I was. And you
didn't think when you got there that there were going
to be thirty or forty people?

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Did you that?

Speaker 6 (57:32):
And you didn't know where it was? You had to
GPS it right, Yes, And it was a kind of
confusing layout when you got there because there's through roads
and cul de sacs, right, you didn't know which one
was leading to which end? Right could have been a
dead end, could have been a through street, but you
didn't know. And you say you didn't drive by the

(57:54):
house when you first got there. You went straight there
and you parked the car to the right.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Right.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Yeah, we got there. There were people already out in
the art. Nobody was out in the art, and you
indicated to the folks in the group, chat, we're here.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
And then people started coming out of the house.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Right.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
One person came out of the house right, yes, quickly
followed by a second person right, then a third person right,
then a fourth person right, a fifth, a sixth, a seventh,
and eighth right. At that point, you're out numbered now right,
A ninth, a tenth and eleventh, a twelfth right now,

(58:38):
What are you starting to think.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
In that car?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
We're not going to be fighting anymore.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
You're not going to be fighting anymore?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Why not?

Speaker 8 (58:48):
It didn't seem sensible at the time. It wasn't what
we expected to see when we inventually arrived. We were
going to arrive.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
You weren't in control of that situation at that point
where you drove all those folks over there, parked them.
It wasn't what you expected, was it. It was getting scary,
wasn't it? It was I was getting terrifying, wasn't it.
You're worried about what was going to happen?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Now, I bet it, because.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
How many people do you think ultimately came out of
that car, out of that house?

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Are you thirty?

Speaker 4 (59:26):
A little bit more?

Speaker 6 (59:28):
All came over to your Car's seven of you in there,
thirty on the outside, right, yes, surrounding the vehicle, right, Yes?
And at first they came up to the driver's side
some of them didn't they And you had your window down.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
I had it, uh cracked, cracked, didn't.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Want to put it the whole way down at that point, right,
And people started coming up and started talking to you
through the window, right, yes. And you say at first
that was peaceful.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
I don't think it was. What first when they all
walked up, everyone was kind of screaming. I think I
heard some where's the kid who did this?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
To be? The parties? Before?

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
That was Ryan Hines?

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Right, he could have been.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
I didn't see his face.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Spit at you. Yes, didn't make it into the car.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Just on the car.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Hit me, but I think it made it into the car.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
There's people in front of the car, there's there's people
on both sides of the car. It's true, there's people
behind the car. Some of those people get on the car.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
That's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I don't remember anybody getting on top of the car.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
Do you remember the car rocking? Do you recall if
somebody was on the back bumper jumping.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Up and down as possible?

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
No, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I wasn't really looking at the back of my car,
trying to focus on what was going on in my area.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Why didn't you just drive away?

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I did eventually.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
I didn't want to run anybody over, so I kind
of started itching my bar out a little bit, and
then people started eventually making way.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
You couldn't just pull away, right, If you just pulled away,
you had to hit somebody who was standing directly in
front of the car, right, you hit somebody who was
on either side of you. Possibly right. There was lights
on the street, but it was dark, right, Yeah, about
eleven o'clock or so misty, kind of rainy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
That evening.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
People inside your car were terrified, weren't they just stand?
What was the demeanor from the people inside your car?
What did that indicate to you? They wanted to go home,
They didn't want to be there anymore, Right, They were terrified.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Right, most likely.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
Yeah, and you were thinking to yourself, oh my god,
what have I gotten these folks into?

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
Yeah, I brought all these people here. I'm the driver
of this vehicle. I'm the one who put us here, right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I think that's I think that's fair that I drew
them there.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Yeah, well, nobody could reach over and you wouldn't let
them take the car from you and say let me
drive now, right, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
I didn't drive anyone somewhere where they didn't want to be,
and then I dropped them off in the street and
they wanted to go home.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
Because mckensey traff, can't you want to go and get
in a fight.

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
I think everyone was just kind of under the impression
that I knew we were going to meet a couple
of days to fight.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
I want really expected thirty people to walk out of
the house.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
Keenan Freisik knew that you were going to go get
into a fight. Something about Keenan's demeanor indicated to you
that he wanted to go along for a fight.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
I think I made it pretty apparent that's what we
were going to do.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Something about Demetrius our fantass demeanor indicated to you that
he wanted to go get into a fight.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I think I told the people that cat in
my car. That's weird, you know, Kenan I did.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
How close were you to Keenan?

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
We were We weren't close when we were teammates.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Teammates on the football team. Dimitrius so fine our finals.
Was he a teammate on the football team? They starters?

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Oh, I don't believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
At the tires.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
How many people were on the driver's side of the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Car initially when we were at the end of the street.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
When you're right there parked in front of the house.
When you first stopped at the house.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Uh, there was a crowd of people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
I don't really know, too many to count.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
How many people were on the passenger side.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
It was kind of a big crowd all around the corner.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
And you said they were touching the car right, hands
on the vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Objection sustained.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
Were they punching the car?

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Uh? I believe knowing stuff with the car, picking the
car or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
At some point, the windshield gets smashed while you were
there in front of the house while these people are
surrounding the vehicle. Are people inside your car saying anything?
They said I asked, are they.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Saying I'm going to overrule the objection at this point?
Chessie has a relative to the question.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Please ask the question again.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Are people in your car at this point saying anything?

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
And did that indicate to you that they were scared?

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
I think we all were.

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
In fact, you were so scared you reached into the
center console where you knew you kept the pocket knife, right,
And you did that because you were so scared. You
thought I might need to defend myself.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
You thought somebody might smash this window.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
They just smashed the windshield. What's going to stop them
from smashing my window?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
And I'm stuck here in this vehicle, can't move forward
because there's people surrounding it, right, And you thought, what
am I gonna do if people reach into this vehicle
after smashing my window and pull me out of it? Right?
So you reached in and you grabbed the knife out right,
And you told us you put it on your waist.
Did you mean you put it in your lap? Yeah,

(01:05:46):
because you didn't like take it and use the clip
to put it on your belt or something. Right, You
didn't put it in your pocket, did you? You didn't think, well,
it's right here in the center console. If I need it,
I can get it out at that point, right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Wires and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
You didn't know what these people surrounding the car were
going to do, did you, But you were scared enough
to think that you needed that knife.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Mister Valley didn't know about that knife, did he? Had
you ever told mister Valley about.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
That knife open conversation, never came up in conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
You had never told him about it, did you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
It wouln't have been a reason to so, as far
as you knew.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
He had no knowledge that that knife was there. And
you were showing a picture of what you say is
a copy of that knife, right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
You said though, that that knife that you had in
the car had been in that vehicle since it was
given down to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
You by your brother, right, who was just in the
family that car, and the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
Knife had been in there as well, right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
And that's why I kept it three years.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
So it wasn't a brand new, shiny knife that you
got for that purpose alone that day, was it? It
was a tool that you kept there, you said, for fishing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Yeah, anything you'd really a knife was just there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Were you raised to as somebody who was told, you know,
it's useful, helpful to have a pocket knife when you
need one.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
I just think a knife is useful and Graham scenarios
in life's just to have.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
At some point the situation became so terrifying inside that
vehicle that despite the fact that there were people in
front of it who might get hurt if you were moving,
you thought that's what you needed to do to protect
yourself and to protect the people in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
The knife was to well, you already had the knife,
but now you thought, I've got to move this vehicle
even if these people going to get hurt. We might
get hurt if I don't, right, And so you moved
the vehicle forward. People backed off of it, or they
stayed off, they fell to the side.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
What happened.

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
All forward and then pushing it forward, people started dispersing
a little bit, so it made a path for this
just kind of speed right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Off, You saw a path and you took it. Car
took off down the street at a high rate of speed, right, yeah,
and then you drove back and forth up and down
the street, right and throwing things out the window at
this group right, That didn't happen to it. You drove down,

(01:08:47):
some people got out of the car around that area
where you showed us on Exhibit one, right, And in fact,
do you recall that people from the party were now
chasing the vehicle down the street as you were.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Driving away initially?

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
In fact, when you let these folks out, or when
they got out of the car when it first stopped,
a group of these Shelton kids were coming down chasing them, right,
And you could see that at least in your rear
view mirror, could you not? And then you drove the
car off up ahead, correct, And at that point you
were alone in the vehicle, so yeah, And you drove

(01:09:26):
up and you went and you turned down Farmhouse Lane
right if you went down straight down to the end
of Laurel Glenn. Okay, we can't see that dead end
on Exhibit one, can we? Behind you? It extends a
further way down there, right. So you lost sight of

(01:09:48):
the people that you had just dropped off at some point,
did you not. You couldn't see them anymore because you
had driven down to the end of the street, right,
and you thought, oh my god, I just left all
these folks at the street that I just drove them
to with this crowd of people that just attacked the car, right,

(01:10:09):
you were scared for them at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Were you not?

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
I went You went back even though you were scared?

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
What did you think was going to happen if you
didn't go back?

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
That calls for speculations.

Speaker 6 (01:10:29):
You were worried if you didn't go back, that your
friends are gonna get hurt, weren't you?

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
That's furtus.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
Mm mmm. Now when you got back, can you show
us again on exhibit one, where you stopped the vehicle, Uh,
when you came back to your families, after going down
to the end of Laurel Line near the intersection of
Laura Glen and Farmhouse and where at that point and

(01:11:02):
when you stopped the card you got out at that
point right? And where at that point was Keenan Fraysick?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
I believe on the curb?

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
I think did he come over to the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
The vehicle was kind of right up to then. I
don't remember him walking like the vehicle, but it was around.

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
Did you talk to him or did he stay on
the curb?

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I don't remember any conversation, And.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
Did McKenzie Traficanty come up to the car. Did she
stay on the curb?

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I don't remember if Mackenzie was up on the curve.
I think she was on the curve.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Remember any conversation with her either coming up?

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Will Sindwald? Did he stay on the curb?

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Demetrios Arfanas did he stay on the curb? And so
at the vehicle then near the intersection of laur Glennam
farm House Lane, as yourself, mister Valley, and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Not yet in the car, but yeah, we were all
kind of there.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
Inspecting the car. You told us started looking around, and
do you remember some Shelton High kids coming up and
having an interaction with you?

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
I remember any conversation. I remember that they were there
or at least around the area. And then I got
back in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
How close were you to mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Around in the car, I was inside of it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
You didn't get out of the car. You got back
in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
I got back in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
But do you know Tyler Rich.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
Do you know Ricky or Enrico Fiola?

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
I heard about him, I didn't know him.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Did you see either mister Rich or mister Fiola down
there at the vehicle when you were at Farmhouse Lane
in Long Glen Drive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
I think they were in the area.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
I wasn't. I don't remember our cos skiing there. I
don't remember, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
And you've told us that there was some discussion down
at the car about the damage, right yeah, And you
told us you were upset about the damage, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Yeah, I was around looking at the damage in my car.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
You told us you were distraught about the damage.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
Right, my parents and my damage insurance all that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
And you didn't know any of these kids at forty
three Laurel Glen Drive. I didn't know, but you knew
that the kid that you'd gotten in the fight with
at five Lazybrook was there at that at that party
at forty three Laurel Glen Drive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:13:56):
I didn't see him particularly, but I kind of got
the question he was there from what they were kind
of screaming and stuff, and why we were there the
first place.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
And you told us that there was discussion about look
what they did to your car, right, Yes, you were
visibly upset, Yeah, mister Valley, you said was visibly upset.
Mister de Silva also visibly upset.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Everyone kind of was you're kind of all up in
the state of shock that what just happened.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
While you're standing there by the car and these Shelton
High kids. How far away were they?

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
I were further down towards the house, I would assume,
so not close enough that you could say to them, Hey,
what'd you guys do to my car?

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
I remember having any conversations with them.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
They were too far away to have a conversation with.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
They didn't approach you guys and say, hey, let's squash
this beef, right now, did they? Did they approach anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
In your group?

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
I drew off?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
I don't know. I wasn't there.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Okay, when you drove off though, was before which you've
just now described, with everybody being at the car and
inspecting it for damage. Right, So, when you're at the
car inspecting it for damage, you didn't see any of
these Shelton High kids come down and have a conversation
with you guys as you're inspecting the car, did you?
And then you told us at some point you understood

(01:15:36):
that Tyler de Silva wanted to go back to forty
three Laurevel and drive right because he knew as far
as you understood some of the kids there. You live
in Norwalk, right, is that where you grew up? So
you're a lifelong Norwalk resident? And Tyler de Silva is
not from Norwalk, Right? He was living in Milford at

(01:15:59):
this time, but he had grown up in Shelton for
some part of his life, had he not? And he
knew some of these kids at the Shelton party, and
he told you. Your understanding was that he knew some
of these kids at the Shelton party and he wanted
to go back and make peace.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Right his family, I guess knew a lot of their families.
That was the whole purpose.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
And at this point you could have just left the area, right.
He could have hopped in the car said everybody, let's
go home. This is this is a bad idea. Yeah,
you were sixteen at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
I was.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
How long had you been driving?

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Maybe? Eight months? Five months?

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Were you supposed to have these kids in your car?

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
How was the mm hmm?

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
And then mister Valley came up to you and he said,
where's the knife? Give me the knife?

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
Like that that aggressively.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
I wouldn't say it was that aggressive, but it was
just as.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
He was just like, he, where's that knife that you had?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Right? I don't think he I don't think it was
that aggressive.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
He wasn't that aggressive about it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
He was aggressive, and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
It wasn't super It wasn't what you just presented.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
And he didn't want something else at that point? Did he.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Just just a knife he didn't want He didn't indicate to.

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
You, hey, let's let's all grab some weapons and go
back there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
He didn't say I want that knife so that, you know,
let's go back and get our revenge.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
In fact, you understood from his demeanor that he was
also scared, right, more upset.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
I presume you presume he was a little bit more
anger at his demeanor.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
You were still scared, I was. You thought these kids
might come back down the street again, right, Not necessarily
that didn't cross your mind.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Well, I knew I had the car, so anything we
could have just driven out.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
Of there, But you didn't. Tyler dis Silva was adamant
that he wanted to go back and make peace. But
Tyler de Silver was adamant that he wanted to go
back and make peace.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
You understood that Tyler Disilva wanted to go back and
make peace.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
Yeah, and though.

Speaker 6 (01:19:02):
You understand people there, mister valle knew people.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
There, most of them at the time new people from
sea and since they were from open.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
So you got back in the driver's seat.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
Yeah, you saw mister Valley go digging through the console
to get the knife.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
He saw mister Valley go digging through the glove box
to get the knife.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
You saw him tearing up the car to try and
find the knife.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
You didn't see any of that, did you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Oh, you gave it to him when you asked.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
He opened the blade to inspect it. Right, took that
knife and he got it ready.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Right, O.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
Took that knife, but you gave him and he put
it in his pocket.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Right Lusa, I don't remember where he put it open.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
And you understood or felt like you needed to take
mister d Silva back to forty three.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Laureable and drive. I understand the question. Can you do that?

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
You didn't say I'm not taking you back to forty
three Laureable and drive. Right, all three of you get
back into the car. You say that mister Valley got
into the passenger side, Yes, beside you, and that mister d.
Silva got in the back yep on the passenger side
as well. Yes, you drove up and did you park

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sort of near the driveway at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
No, a little back. I wasn't in a park. I
was always in drive.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
Just put on the brake.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
You weren't expecting anybody to get out of that car
and get into a fight, were you.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
It wasn't aggressive at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
There was no talk in the car as you drove
down there about we're gonna get him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Now? What was that in the car? I gonna strike
the last answer, ad and thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
Was there conversation in the car on the way down there?

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
It was a very brief drive. I don't remember any conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
Nothing about what was occurring in the vehicle on the
way down there led you to believe that there was
about to be a fight? Was there? And as you
got there, you're in the middle of the street. There's
cars parked on both sides, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:21:37):
And.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
You stopped the car. You don't put in park, but
you keep it running and got your foot on the brake.
You see mister d Silva get out of the car.
You see mister Valley get out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Of the car.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
Mister Valley doesn't have the knife in his hand at
that point, does he?

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
I don't remember what he had in his hands.

Speaker 6 (01:21:59):
Both are in this walking, not an aggressive way, not
screaming threats at the people that are already in the yard. Right,
you saw them, You said you were looking over your shoulder,
looking out the window, watching them the whole time. How
many people were in the lawn.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
The same amount, probably about thirty kids.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
Your two friends get out and they walk out, right,
you can see them approach these thirty kids. Those thirty
kids swarm forward to meet them. Right, they start getting
aggressive with these two kids.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Right, I remember getting aggressive and feel someone unchally though
it was kind of portal, I guess initially, Okay, maybe
somebody in the crowds screaming or something, but it was
just it wasn't a fight at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
Could you hear either of your friends screaming anything? Did
you see either of your friends approached them in a
fighting posture?

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Did you see either of your friends square up with anybody?
You just saw mister Valley get punched in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Right about ten seconds fifth and sence and yeah, someone's human.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
How did you see mister Valley? With his shirt up
over his head.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
I call that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:23):
Oh, and you told us that once mister Valley got
punched in the face, chaos broke out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
You couldn't see mister Valley anymore, could you? You couldn't
see mister de Silva anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Could you?

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
But you could see bodies moving and rolling around, right?
And it looked like thirty people had descended onto two people,
did it not?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
You could see punching and kicking going on, could you not?

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
I did?

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
You could see stomping going on? Could you not?

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
You were scared for your friends at that point? Were
you not terrified about what was happening to them?

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
I was so scared that you didn't even get out
of the car, did you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
I wanted to be there just in case they got out,
so I can get in my car and make me leave.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
You didn't want to go get into that scrum? Did you?

Speaker 8 (01:24:19):
Sound like I'd be even more helpful, just as the
way to escape jump in, So I stayed in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
You didn't know if your friends were going to come
out of that fight, did you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
I hope so?

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
But you didn't know, did you? You didn't know what
was going to happen when thirty took on two?

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Did you no?

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
That was practically the whole Shelton High School football team,
wasn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
That's FAIRNA say?

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
You were so scared you didn't want to get out
of that car, right, because it was terrifying to watch?

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Was it not?

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
At some point you were able to see mister Valley
and mister d Silva again?

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
Yes, mister Valley came up to the car, correct, Yes,
door opens slightly. Correct, interior light comes on because the
door is opened, right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
In fact, when he came up to that car, his
momentum was moving forward towards the car, as though he'd
been pushed, Was it not?

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
Just did you hear a bump as he hit the car?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
He opened the door. Could you see his face?

Speaker 5 (01:25:48):
I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
At that home, real quick, you didn't see mister d
Silva anywhere?

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Did you?

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
You could still see that a fight was going on,
could you not? Could you see what appeared to be
flashlights or phone lights at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
I believe so?

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Yeah, when you saw mister Valley, but you didn't see
mister d Silva. You were terrified about what had happened
to mister d Silva, were you not. Yeah, you wondered
if he was going to get killed, didn't you. Yes,
And then you lost sight of mister Valley again as

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he headed back in towards the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
You saw mister Valley go to.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
The yard, right, Oh, he left my car.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
I think he went towards the yard.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
And at some point as he got onto the yard,
you couldn't see him anymore, could you, No, But you
could still see that those thirty kids hadn't gone anywhere, right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Everyone was kind of still scattered along the lot, along along.

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
And then at some point you saw mister de Silva
come back to the car. Yes, he gets into the
car right, right, And you can see him at that point, right, Okay,
And he told us he's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Been battered, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
He looked beaten and bloodied.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
You could tell he had obviously been injured in the
course of the fight where you lost track of him, right,
he said. Mister Balley got back into the car, into
the passenger seat, right, he said, he was all distraught. Right,
What was distraught about his face?

Speaker 8 (01:27:38):
It wasn't necessarily his face. He just got in and
it looked he was just in shock. Thinking he said like,
oh my fucking god, I think I just stabbed somebody,
or I think I just stabed people or something along
those eyes.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
He didn't say, man, I just got us payback for
what happened, right, oh oh h. He didn't seem happy
about what had happened. He seemed distraught.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
Yeah, he looked at yeah, still scared.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
Yeah, would.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Probably this speculation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
That's the answer. The question was already asked.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
And then you took off down Laurel Glenn Drive, right,
that's what you told us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Adams.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Towards Adam, you hit a cul de sac and you
told us that. Mister Valley told you to stop the car,
and he got out and threw the knife. You could
see the knife in his hand. Ah, yes, you could
see it in his hand. Was it open or closed?
Still open the car from when he got out of

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the car. He got into the car and he still
had the knife open on him.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
Your saying the car and said what he said, the
knife in his hand.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Could you see blood on the knife?

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
I can't see it any blood on it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
You saw the knife leave his hand and go flipping
into the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
It was pretty dark. It was pretty dark, wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
I was how far away from the car did he
get in order to throw that knife? Stepped her out
something just right outside the car in front.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
I was angled parallel to the woods. So he just
opened the door, stepped right out.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
He said.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
He got back into the car at that point, didn't
say anything.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:29:45):
He drove back down to Long Glenn Drive where the
people you had left were still there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Yes, and.

Speaker 6 (01:29:53):
Some of those people got into Madison Trafficanty's car. Mackenzie's sister.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Arrived around the same time we were driving.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Then mister Valley got into the same vehicle. Tyler gets
into the front passenger with you. Yes, you had to
use Google Maps to get out of there, right, because
you didn't know where you were. And then you went
and you met Owen da Silva.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Where was that at Tyler's house? And of those house?

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
And you said, when you saw both mister Valley and
mister de Silva, they were both beat up and bloodied up. Right, Yeah, Well,
there was no conversation in the car about what had happened.
It was just how are we going to get back
at these guys?

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
That was kind of.

Speaker 8 (01:30:42):
What was going through my head almost, Tyler. But that
was a conversation we were talking about majority of the time, and.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
You texted on this group chat enjoy the hospital stay.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
I didn't know the severity of the situation.

Speaker 8 (01:30:55):
When Leito told me he stabed somebody, I just so
it wasn't anything the major, just because people.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Are still texting in the roop chat. Roop chats were
still flowing like spanning.

Speaker 8 (01:31:06):
After everything happened, So I just assume that they just
jumped us, you know, stab maybe someone in the leg
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Now, I was just like sparkly response. I guess it was.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
I didn't really know what was going on. I didn't
know what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
You went home and you talked to your dad and
he said, this is more serious than what you think.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
So yeah, it was kind of that tone.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
Yeah, And when the cops called you on May fifteenth
and said we'd like to talk to you about this,
you told them you weren't going to come in and talk.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
To him, right, I wasn't in the phone. I believe
that's something my dad, Nolan said.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
You didn't go in and talk to them, right, You
were worried about your involvement in this, right, yes, And
you waited six months until you got an agreement concerning
prosecution in place before you talk to them, right, And
in fact, you did that right here in this courthouse,

(01:32:09):
did you not.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
And after you got that it's the first time that
you talked to anybody about this, right, It is true.
And you're telling us now today.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
That you.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Gave mister Valley the knife before driving everybody back down
to forty.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Three long gun drive, right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
And this prosecution agreement that you have, it's for complete immunity.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
Right from the events that happened.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
Yeah, you can't be prosecuted for anything that happened on
May fourteenth, right, this time, and those potential things that
you might have been prosecuted for could be murder, Right, I.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Was told to Saw in the first career or something
along those lines.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
You would agree that the agreement itself talks about the
homicide of James McGrath and the assaults on Thomas Connery Junior,
Ryan Hines and face on TiAl that took.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Place on May fourteenth, Right, that's correct.

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
One of the things that you could be prosecuted for
would be being an accessory to a murder.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
I think that's possible and could be prosecuted for assaults.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Correct, So.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
You could be possibly prosecuted for conspiracy to commit those things.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
And you've had what's explained to you. What's now is
your maximum exposure explained to you? Right that if you
were prosecuted for these things, and if you were convicted
of these things, you could spend your life in prison, correct. Yeah,
so right, sixty years for accessory to murder, right, So,

(01:34:18):
twenty years for an assault in the first degree, Right.
And you didn't want to tell anybody your involvement in
this case until you got.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
That in place, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
And your understanding is that you have to come in
here and testify truthfully in order for this agreement to hold.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
Your immunity from all those things depends upon who thinking
that you testified truthfully. I think you state, not me, Right,
I don't make that decision, do I. The state's attorney
makes that decision.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Right, LUs.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
You got to come in here testify truthfully or you
could find yourself prosecuted for all those things as well.
And so you gave them a statement on November two, Right,
And then they told you, you know what, we want
to talk to you again. And you talk to them

(01:35:25):
again on November twenty eighth. Right, yes, because they wanted
to clarify some things.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Yes, they wanted to clarify the timing of when the
knife was exchanged. Rights. And they wanted to clarify why
your phone had been reset on October first, twenty twenty
two before you spoke to them. Right, factory reset.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Right, No, I have water?

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Do you image in the phone? And I got on
a new phone, and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
I think the iCloud messed up sinking between.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
My mothers and mind. Our text are kind of merged.
Nothing was deleted, but they couldn't find the group chat.
I removed myself from the room chat after the event happened.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
So by the time you went and talked to the officers,
after you'd gotten your immunity agreement in place, your phone.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
Had been reset. It wasn't reset, it was a.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
New phone altogether.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
I got a new phone.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
But that's what they told you. We want to come
in and clarify why your phone is everything in intact.

Speaker 8 (01:36:36):
Oh, I didn't respond. I didn't respond to anybody texting
me for the first months. Three weeks after happened, the
people were texting me, so they assumed. I think that
I was bringing messages that I was sending back and
I just wasn't responding. So I think they wanted to
have me come in and just explain why there weren't

(01:36:58):
any texts on my head.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
I was advising into the text people.

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
So sir, you're coming in here and you're telling us,
we're trying to tell us as close to what you
told those officers, right, yes, because you fear if you
change any of that, state's going to think you're not
testifying truthfully.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
Right, There wouldn't be any need to change it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
The truth.

Speaker 6 (01:37:29):
And you're telling us that the knife that you gave
to mister Valley right after you asked for it, that
was your knife, right, that you kept in the vehicle,
right that you drove these folks back down.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
To this party, right, Yeah, did tell you don't?

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
Yeah, And now you're telling us that the knife was
thrown by mister Valley. Yeah, that's why we can't find
the knife, right, I would assume. So, so it's not
that you needed to get rid of that knife because again,

(01:38:25):
for six months, you didn't want to talk to anybody
about this, right, No, nothing for thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
Jack, the counsel just asked a little bit about the
group chat. Communicated on cross examination that you removed yourself
from the group chat.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
Why did you do that? I wanted to disassociate myself.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
So once you understood the severity of what happened, you
got out of the group chat. So what happens when
you remove yourself from the group chat on your phone?
What happens?

Speaker 8 (01:39:02):
I think there's deletes off my my device, but I
think and it says something you other people's phones.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
I got left the root chat, left.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
The group chat. So in other words, if you wanted
to go back in the group chat, you couldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
I couldn't unless I was added back into it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Is that something that is saved on the cloud for
some reason or no? Do you know? I think it
would be it would be okay. And with regards to
tell me the circumstances surrounding you getting a new phone.
Why did you get a new phone?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
Here you going to Black Island or I'd gone somewhere
for I just get away, I think. And I.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
Walked in the water where they got water damage. It
was fine, but the battery draining. So I just brought
up to Apple said I didn't hear it. There's water damage.
So I needed to get a new phone.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
And when you got a new phone, did the contents
of your old phone? Was it saved in the cloud?

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
And yeah, it was like a SIM card and I
just used the same one I get on a new phone.

Speaker 8 (01:39:59):
Okay, I I got two phones, one from my father's
coworker right after the thing happened, because they had taken
my phone the state.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
So when the state took my phone, I needed a
phone and I couldn't just buy a new one. So
I had my dad's fine lend me her phone.

Speaker 8 (01:40:15):
So sinking with that phone, I have contacts on my
phone right now from her phone still, my mom's phone
on my phone still. So I think merging it was
kind of a really error field, I guess, But I
got a new events after the water.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Or shelling p d right. And with regards to we're
asked a little bit about going over to forty three
Laurel Glenn. When you were driving over there, you told people,
or at least the discussion in the car was a

(01:40:51):
parent that you were going there to fight, and you're
what was your understanding about going there to fight? Did
you think you were going to fight a couple of kids.
It was going to be like got like a three
on three fights.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
I assumed it was down.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
The fight back at lazy Brook that was three on one, right,
That was you Leedo, the defendant and Tyler on Ryan
Hines right right, So that wasn't really a fair fight.
But you think you were going to go to forty
three Loyal Glen to kind of hash it out and
have a fist fight. Were you going there to to
uh going to the forty three Loyal Glen to do

(01:41:27):
you use any weapons and fight or was it going
to be a fist fight? And was the defendant in
agreement to go there and fight? Yeah? And when you
got there you said that people came out of the
house in the cart toronto the car and then you
guys eventually got scared, right and you left and you

(01:41:48):
went down the street right, and people who didn't want
to be involved got out of the.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
Car, right, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
But at some point when you were down the street,
do you know whether or not people from the sheltering
crew came down to talk to or confront anybody down
the street? They did, right? And was the defendant out
of the car at that point? And was Tyler out
of the car at that point? And was there any
physical altercation down the street at that point when people

(01:42:19):
were out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
Of the car.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
What kind of things were going on? Were people arguing?

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
I don't remember any arguing at all, any fighting at all, But.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
At that point, at some point in time, that those
individuals left, do you call them leaving? What do you
recall about down the street.

Speaker 8 (01:42:38):
Coming back down the street and then getting out of
the car and then looking at the damage driven down
the street?

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
And do you recall where the Shelton kids were at
that moment in time or no? But there was no
physical altercation that took place down near the corner of
Laurel Glenn and Farmhouse Road. Nobody complaining about we just
got beat up? Right, No one said we got beat up?

(01:43:05):
No physical altercation. Did you observe anything? And you indicated
that when the defendant asked for the knife, he was
more aggressive, more angry with his demeanor. What do you
mean by that?

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
He was just could tell he was anger?

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Is he Matt pissed off?

Speaker 5 (01:43:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Where do you before you gave him the knife? Do
you know where it was before you gave it to him?

Speaker 8 (01:43:28):
I think when I had gotten out of the car
and I look at the damage. I just put it
down on not the center concert, but the area right
in between it the.

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
Radio showing your state's thirty two.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
So are you talking about this area here?

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
Yeah, so it would have been.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Just below the radio area. Yeah, that's a whole platform
right there. So I know we're right there by the
way while we're looking at the states thirty two. In
order to drive your car, put it into drive versus
is that up here on the on the Yeah. Yeah,
So this is one of those cars where you where
it has.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
The lower the lower that's also a compartment, but it's
also a platform.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
But in other words, if you have to drive this
car forward or backwards, your you're the gear shifters on
the column. Now, when indicated that after you got out
of the car, you assess the damage, the defense asks
for the knife. There's this conversation and you agree to
go back down to forty three. Loyal Glenny, you could
have left forty You could have left Laurel Glen at

(01:44:33):
that point right. You could have driven the other way.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
Could you have.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
Could you have put could you have put maybe Tyler's
address into your phone and followed ways or Google Maps
and driven out of the area. But you didn't do that.
And when you went back down to forty three Laurel Glen,
you indicated there was a lot of people in the
front yard. The council asked you on cross examination about

(01:45:03):
people swarming everybody, and you indicated that, yeah, look that
thirty people were involved. Do you are you certain that
thirty people were fighting during the fight?

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
No, it just appeared on a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
I asked, were there so that you're not sure? Not
everybody was fighting, so were there are a lot of
people watching?

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
I couldn't really tell who's fighting who wasn't, but it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
Was pretty So when council asked you about you know,
thirty people were fighting your friends, You can't really tell
for sure who was fighting. You just know there was
a lot of people and it was chaotic, right.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
I don't know who who was fighting, but there was
a lot of right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
So when he indicated that it could have been you know,
fifteen kids on each person, it could also have been
two or three kids on your friends, you just couldn't say, right.

Speaker 5 (01:45:55):
No, I saw more than two or three al right there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
But it wasn't all thirty. No, I don't think so. Now,
when you get down to the Adams Drive and the
defendant throws the knife, he doesn't say, let's get out
of here, let's go. That's possible. I don't remember conversation

(01:46:19):
now with regards to your immunity agreement that that the
Defense Council brings up.

Speaker 8 (01:46:25):
Hm.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Did the State of Connecticut approach you about your about
your testimony.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
In this case?

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
I was, I think my attorney. Did your attorney approached
us because you had information for us? Yeah? And with
regards to your exposure in the case where you was
it explained to you that you could be paroled on
certain certain crimes if you were convicted because of your age.

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Uh, I believe so?

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
And why did you with drawn in your understanding about
your agreement? Is what the agreement of the art of
the agreement with the State of Connecticut as what.

Speaker 8 (01:47:13):
I gave a detailed explained or detailed I guess explanation
on what happened, the truth on what happened that I
wouldn't be prosecuted for it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
And is that explanation from your perspective about what you
remember happened? On May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Yes,
no for the questions, any additional cost. Just pretty sick.

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
That you were just asked. The state didn't approach you
about this prosecution agreement, right, Your attorney, I guess, approached
them and said, hey, you can get a prosecution agreement here.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
I really said, my attorney went to state.

Speaker 6 (01:47:59):
State's attorney didn't come to you and say, nope, sorry, son, we.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Got to arrest you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:03):
We're not giving you immuniy agreement.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Right, intruc is what the state's attorneys see.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
The state's attorney didn't say, no, we're not good. The
state's attorney didn't refuse to give you this immunity agreement,
did they. So no, you signed it right in this courthouse.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
Nothing further, but you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
May step of resigns. Bye, ladies and gentlemen. During yesterday
I indicated that it would be a half day today,
so we are hearing to be sure. I'm just going
to once again to remind you to abide by the
religio and conduct that I just have to describe to
you again.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
At the beginning of the trial and as we go
through the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Just highlighting please stay media. Also, no conversation with anyone of.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
The independent research for investigation outside of the evidence of
presenting your courtroom.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Enjoy the rest of you your day and we will
be back.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
Again for this matter tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Thank you, m

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
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