Day 7

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
So we are back here again today to.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Continue the evidence of the matter of State of Connecticut
versus Royal vallely is my understanding that the state intends.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
To call a business who will also have.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Some agreement with that correct, That is correct, your.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Honor, all right, So at this point in time we
would be moving forward with a similar time of campus
that we did yesterday for reasons that will chased on
the record yesterday, similar reasons. So why don't we go
ahead and call that way?

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Thank you as you right answer you saw me swear
solemn and sincerely affirmed, as the case may be, that
the evidence you shall give concerning this case shall be
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
So I hope you God on penalty of purgery.

Speaker 6 (00:42):
If so, please see I do.

Speaker 7 (00:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Please state your full name, spelling, your last name and
address for the record.

Speaker 7 (00:51):
Good morning, tyler.

Speaker 8 (00:53):
I just have to ask you a few questions about
the agreement you have with the State of Connecticut.

Speaker 7 (00:56):
Okay, approach the wit.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And shrunner.

Speaker 9 (01:02):
Showing you the mark the states of the ninety six
right awpication purposes you recognize these ninety six?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, what is ninety six?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
The agreement between the Stay of Connecticut, me and my attorney.

Speaker 7 (01:15):
And is this agreement signed by you and your lawyer
and your parents are.

Speaker 8 (01:21):
About the center, leagues, is what you're going to and
what is your understanding about your agreement.

Speaker 10 (01:29):
To apply with anything you need, I'll give you a
full interview and testimony and fully the truth of what
my knowledge will happen at night.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
You're not prosecuting me?

Speaker 8 (01:40):
And is the agreement that in consideration for your your
information during the investigation, during any potential hearing trial grand jury,
you're to provide truthful testimony and consideration for that you
would not be prosecuted for anything that you were associated
with on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. And is

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it your understanding that some of those charges could have
included conspiracy to commit assault in the first degree potentially
conspiracy to commit murder, all of which could have exposed
you to an excess of sixty years in prison. Yes,
And of course you being a mine at the time,
would have subjected you to special parole considerations with regards

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to those charges as well.

Speaker 11 (02:27):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (02:28):
Is it also your understanding that if you were not
during the pendency of this agreement with the State of
Connecticut in addition to your truthful testimony, you were not
to commit any further crime or crimes. And if you are,
if you were to commit those crimes, that you could
just could break the agreement, you could be prosecuted.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (02:49):
And is it also your understanding that this agreement would
last up and until the full conclusion of this case
State versus Raoul Valley, that being either change of plea
after in front of the court or verdict after a
trial or a retrial after a Remand is that you're understanding, Yes,

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And if you break this agreement with regards to your
testimony or evidence that you supplied with the State of
Candi get on a prior occasion, is also your understanding
that if the agreement was broken, that that evidence could
be used against you at any subsequent trial.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yes, so that sufficient for the courts, it is for the.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Court enclire defense attorney Attorney Smith, does that canvas as well.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
As the written documentary pride clearer understanding of the disclosure
of the.

Speaker 12 (03:49):
Nature of the agreement.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yes, Jorney Smith.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
One more question before the jury.

Speaker 13 (03:56):
Comes in, just in case there is.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
An offer to use the exhibit on Drew.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
That question is do you intend to cause examine the
witness in front.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Of the jury regarding the terms of the cooperation.

Speaker 14 (04:09):
Yes, would you, honor, I would have no objection to
the state using that during its story.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
All right, So, keeping in line with the procedure that
we have been using here, I am going to ask
the witness to leave the stand and please remove.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yourself from the port how the court will, and we'll call.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Him back to the stand in the presence of the jury,
and we will place him on in the presence of
the jury, so.

Speaker 15 (04:31):
That the jury are just not have any confusion that
would have this wayness.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Is being cars Thank you, Thank you on anything further
before we were in the jury this morning.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
Nothing from the state, your honner, not from the defense.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Please, for all terms of.

Speaker 14 (04:47):
You stay would sipulate to the print of the defense
stipulates your thank you.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Then say from your next witness, thank you, thank you,
thank your honor.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Your answer, if you saw me swear or saw me
sincerely affirms the case may be that the evidence you
shall give concerning this case shall be the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So hope you
got her upon penalty of perjury. If so, please see
I do.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Please state your full name, spelling your last name and
addressed for the record.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
You are yeah, yes, thank you.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Thank you, Arn.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
Good morning, Tyler, Tyler hold you twenty? Do you go
to school? Where do you go to school?

Speaker 4 (05:29):
University of Dayton?

Speaker 7 (05:30):
And what are you studying?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Entrepreneurship business?

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Are you playing any sports there? And do you know
why you're here today? Why are you here today?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
What happened today?

Speaker 7 (05:42):
What night do you remember twenty two on a prior
occasion prior to your testimony today? Have we met before? Not?
How many times would you say?

Speaker 6 (05:55):
And prior to that.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
Did you, through through your lawyer, approach the State of Connecticut?
Uh in connection to this case? And can you can
you please describe why?

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Why that?

Speaker 7 (06:08):
How that occurred?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Hi at thirty approached State of Connecticut?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Who come to agree with them that if.

Speaker 10 (06:17):
I came in and gave a statement fully of the
truth to my knowledge will happened that night?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I would not be prosecuted nor my approach.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It was.

Speaker 14 (06:28):
Mhm.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Tellers, do me a favorite stay closer to that might
go to.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Keep your voice up the laser jumping, I do it was.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Disagreement encompass the entire agreement. That is your understanding between yourself.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
In state concerning does Steve Robbins is a polatific runner?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
No check on your own portal accepting evidence states ninety
six Gold.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
Now, with regards to that cooperation agreement, just so we're clear,
what is your understanding of the agreement.

Speaker 10 (07:03):
My understanding of the agreement is basically, I'm going to
give my story what I remember from that night, fully, truthfully,
and I won't be excuted for anything.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
And potentially if you don't, if you deviate from what
you've told anybody with regards to this case, what could happen?
As you understand, and could your statements that you have
given during the investigation and in addition to your testimony
today be used against you if charges were brought against
you and you were prosecuted. Now I want to direct

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your attention with Ron. Are you familiar with an individual
by the name of Jack Snyder?

Speaker 12 (07:44):
I am.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
How are you familiar with Jack Snyder?

Speaker 10 (07:46):
I was one of my friends and I classmate with
Saint jose and Saint Joseph High School.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Where is that located, Humble, Connecticut?

Speaker 8 (07:54):
And are you familiar with an individual by the name
of Raoul Valley. I am, and how are you familiar
with Raoul Valley?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I was a classromate of Saint jose and I grew
up playing football with.

Speaker 16 (08:03):
Him in Milford.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
And does he have a nickname Widow?

Speaker 7 (08:06):
And is he present in the courtroom today?

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (08:09):
And what is he wearing?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Blacks?

Speaker 8 (08:11):
And can you please put him out for the record?
The witness record reflected the witnesses identified the defendant in this.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Case runner book witness IDENTA high mister Valley.

Speaker 8 (08:22):
Thank you now, directing your attention to May fourteenth of
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
How old were you back then?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Seventeen?

Speaker 7 (08:29):
And were you in school? What school were you in?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Joseph High School?

Speaker 7 (08:33):
What year were you in Saint jose my junior year?
And did you play any sports?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
A football?

Speaker 6 (08:39):
And I want to direct your attention to lazy.

Speaker 8 (08:43):
Brook Road prior to going did you go to lazy
Brook Road that night? Prior to going to lazy Brook
Road that night?

Speaker 7 (08:51):
Where were you my house?

Speaker 8 (08:53):
And at some point in time where you picked up?

Speaker 7 (08:58):
Who picked you up?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Josh Schneider?

Speaker 7 (09:00):
And when Jack picked you up? What time of day
was it?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Do you recall from seven thirty eight.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
And when you got into Jack's car, did you bring
anything with you?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Two bottles of a corps called kinky?

Speaker 7 (09:14):
And what is what is that? What is kinky?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Second alcohol?

Speaker 7 (09:18):
And you brought that from where? Did you bring that
from your house? No?

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I got it from a liquor store.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
And when you when you got into the car, had
you already been drinking alcohol.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
At that point in time? I had a couple of ships.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
And when you, uh, when you got into the car,
did you guys, did you drink when you were in
the car?

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah, a little bit?

Speaker 8 (09:45):
And when you got in the car did you go
right over to Lazy Brooke?

Speaker 7 (09:49):
When Jack picked you up? Where did you go?

Speaker 6 (09:52):
I went to house?

Speaker 7 (09:53):
And when you went Toledo's house?

Speaker 11 (09:55):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (09:55):
Did you who did you pick up Alito and his
girlfriend at the time? Who is this girlfriend at the time, mackenzie?

Speaker 7 (10:02):
And when you.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
Were in the car after you picked Leedo and the
defendant or the defendant mackenzie up?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Was everybody drinking in the car somewhat? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
And when you say somewhat, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 10 (10:17):
Like we had a couple of couple of SIPs of
the kinky not much though you weren't like, you know,
no one was choking huge chugs.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (10:24):
And how was Jack drinking at the time? Do you
recall that? I recall so you, McKenzie and the defendant
were drinking.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
And after Jack picked up the defendant and Mackenzie, where did.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
You go from Lido's house Lazy Brook?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
And when you got to Lazy Brook?

Speaker 12 (10:43):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (10:43):
What kind of party was that?

Speaker 6 (10:46):
The usual high school party?

Speaker 7 (10:48):
Can you explain what the usual high school party is
to the lazy and gentlemen of the drink?

Speaker 12 (10:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:52):
So it was all Saint Joe's kids.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
You get together, beer pong, drinks, talking, socializing, it's your
high school party.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
So when you got to the party, how many kids
would you say, we're.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
There, stay around forty people?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
And alcohol was being consumed?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (11:11):
And when you got there did you did you drink
alcohol while you were there? Did Jack drink alcohol when
you was did the defendant drink alcohol while I was Mackenzie? God,
did you see most of your friends drinking alcohol there?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
And when you say beer pong? What is beer pong?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
You know?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
You take kingk bongs.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
You set up these cups and throw them into the cups, and.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
If you get it in the cup, what happened?

Speaker 10 (11:35):
Usually you're filling with water, so you didn't actually drink
right out of the cup.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
But then you sip your beer. But it's a drinking game, right.

Speaker 8 (11:42):
Yes, at some point in the night, and you said
you had two bottles with you, and did the bottles
have a different specific color?

Speaker 6 (11:52):
And there's one that was dink and one that was blue?

Speaker 8 (11:56):
And when you were at lazy Brook, did was the
or an occasion where h well with drawn when you
were at Lazybrook? Was it all people from Saint Joseph's
High School at that party.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
That I knew of?

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Yeah, so you were familiar with most of the people there.
At some point in time, did a couple individuals show
up that weren't from Saint Joseph's High School?

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Can you please describe to the ladies and gentlemen of
the jury how that happened?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Point in a time, two individuals came up.

Speaker 10 (12:29):
I said they were invited to the party of the
younger son of Maddie Lever who was having the party.
And basically she said they can't come in because it's
way too many people already, and say, can you just
tell them to leave. So we went over to them

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outside and to them to leave, which I appreciated.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Like a mutation.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
So when you say we who are you talking about me?

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Jack Snider?

Speaker 7 (12:59):
You val And do you recall what you were wearing
that night?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I was wearing a ole Miss like baseball jersey.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Do you recall what kind of did you have shorts on?

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Pants on?

Speaker 7 (13:08):
What do you have on?

Speaker 11 (13:11):
Leave?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I had short I don't you recall?

Speaker 6 (13:14):
That's okay? Do you recall what the defendant was wearing?
We're inn an ole Miss T shirt?

Speaker 7 (13:19):
What color? And at some point in time, Uh, you
talked to the two individuals that that they were at
the party, What if anything did you observe?

Speaker 8 (13:32):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (13:33):
What drawn?

Speaker 7 (13:34):
What kind of things were you saying to them when they.

Speaker 10 (13:36):
Came, told them they're they're gonna come in. They argued
with us, saying they were invited by Austin. We said,
it doesn't matter, his sister doesn't why you're here. See argument,
We're kind of changing words and get out of here,
you guys. And then eventually, uh, Jackson actually went over
and took their beer.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
And it got a little more heated. It's like, I'm
not leaving until you give him my beer.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
Like, no, you're not giving it back and uh, and
it led to a fight. So where did the fight
take place on the driveway?

Speaker 7 (14:15):
And do you recall well who was involved in the
fight before? Right just before it started? Who was was there?
Tell us the scene, who's who's where?

Speaker 10 (14:26):
So Jack Soneder was facing one of the showing kids
almost sprang up.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Ah, the defendant Leado was almost.

Speaker 10 (14:34):
Like kind of behind him, to the side of him,
and I was like behind Jack Snedder.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
And do you recall how did the fight at some
point start?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (14:43):
How do you recall the fight starting?

Speaker 10 (14:45):
What I recalled was Jack Snueder threw a punch at
the kid and then they began to fight. Then they
came from the side and seek and punched him, and
then he ended up almost like falling down at the corner.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And I actually came in threw a couple of.

Speaker 10 (14:59):
Punches myself where I was standing over him with the
candy being broken up. Defended was wearing a motorcycle helmet,
and he all force like head butted him down.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
That he had better more than once.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I own saw one time.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
I'm sure he was more of the sa fifty three.
You recognize stage fifty three?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, what is what?

Speaker 10 (15:25):
Is this a picture of uh Jack Schneider in the
red ledo in the blue with the helmet on and
he has the kinky bottle in his hand, so the.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Helmet that he has on his pictures at the same
home that you saw him head but that night. Yes,
that blue kinky bottle that he has in his hand,
is that one of the bottles that you bought that night? Yes?
Now have you seen you call seeing the video of
the fight?

Speaker 16 (15:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Could you?

Speaker 8 (16:11):
I'm sorry right now you indicated it a few moments
ago that you were called Jack Snyder hitting the shelting
kid first in that video?

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Does that refresh your recollection as to actually how the
fight started?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I mean, in that video I see the defender hitting.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
Him first, But that's not how you remember it.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Now at some point, how long would you say? This
fight lasted for?

Speaker 6 (16:40):
In my head?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Probably fifteen sixteen seconds?

Speaker 7 (16:43):
And after the fight ended, what happened next?

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Got broken up?

Speaker 10 (16:51):
It kind of got up, his nose was bleeding a
little bit, words got exchanged, but then they evidently just
left walk down.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
Now, that fight that happened at lazy Brook for all
intents and purposes, would you characterize that fight as.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
You Jack and the defendant on the one Shelting kid.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
Yes, And do you recall whether or not the Shelton
kid had any weapons on him at the party that
night if you're not. Now, after the fight ended, at
some point in time, did the party continue a little
bit for about.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
How long would you say, thirty for five minutes?

Speaker 7 (17:30):
And then at some point in time did the party end?

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Why did the party end?

Speaker 10 (17:34):
My mother came down and shut it off, basically told
every wanted to get out of the house.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
And did you in fact leave Lazybrook Road after that?
And how did you leave lazy Brook Road?

Speaker 10 (17:47):
So when we were told to leave, like everyone else,
we all went down into the road. There's a lot
of cameras there for people that were there.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
So everyone was gonna in the cars hanging out.

Speaker 10 (17:57):
Actually looked at another party. There's nothing else going on,
and we were thinking about driving somewhere to figure out
what we were going to do until a group chat started.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Okay, Now, did the group chat that you just mentioned,
did that start before or after you got in the car.
If you can recall, let's say, after Now, who did
you get in the car at some point his car?
Did you get in Jack Snyder's Is that Jack Snyder's

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car is? And when you got in Jack Snyder's car,
where did you get in the car? The passenger seat,
the front passenger seat. Did anybody else get in the
car with you?

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (18:46):
The defendant Leadokenzie, Wilson, Waud, Dimitri, and Keenan Fleas.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
And who was.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Driving Jack was?

Speaker 7 (18:57):
So there were seven of you in the car. Yes,
do you recall where the defendant was sitting when he
was initially in the car from Lazybrook?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
What you was sitting behind the driver's driver's seat?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (19:09):
And you were called who else was in the backseat?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
McKenzie?

Speaker 11 (19:14):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Will Keenan?

Speaker 7 (19:17):
And where was Dimitri seated in the in the trunk
in the trunk area. Now, at some point in time
when you're in the car, group chat starts. What kind
of group chat is this?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
They have a name, not that I remembered what the
name was.

Speaker 10 (19:31):
It was kind of just a group chat of a
bunch of shouting kids and Saint Joe's kids all intertwines.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
And uh, were you added to the group chat?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Is that how you found out and she was added, yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (19:42):
And when you say a bunch of Saint Joe's kids
were in the group chat?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Who who from.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Saint Jose was in the group chat?

Speaker 10 (19:48):
Names that I can name would be Anthony Greco, Hylie Jordan,
Brian DeMarco, me myself was added.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Eventually Jack Schnuder was added, you know was added.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
The defendant was in the group chat. And when when
you left Lazybrook, where were you guys headed?

Speaker 8 (20:08):
At that point we were handed to Trouble And why
were you going to Trouble High School?

Speaker 10 (20:14):
Basically it was like almost like a meeting point where
we could figure out what we were going to do,
like if we were deciding to go to another party
or uh, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
So you mentioned this group chat. At what point were
you added to the group chat? Where you added to
the group chat before or after you got to Trumble
High School?

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Before I got on the way.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
And were you able to view what was being said
in the group chat now without telling us what was said?
What was the overall tone of the group chat when
you were on the way to Trumble High School?

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Aggressive?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Violent, almost like people looking at pick pipes?

Speaker 6 (20:51):
And did you.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
Say anything in the group chat at some point in
time when you got to Trumble High School? Was there
anything in the group chat said about meeting.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Up at Trumbull High School?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I that I knew of.

Speaker 8 (21:07):
Do you recall whether or not the defendant said anything
in the group chat about meeting up at Trumble High School?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
I don't know now when?

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Uh was there any talk about uh the trump during
the group chat? Was any talk in the group chat
about fighting?

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Okay, tell me about that.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Tell you about buck.

Speaker 10 (21:32):
Basically another group of individuals telling us to come meet
them at a certain place and us saying to come,
We're going to come, come to us, We'll fight.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Now, I asked you, I just asked you a question
before about whether or not the defense said anything in
the group chat regarding Trumble High School in the fight?

Speaker 7 (21:53):
Do you recall that happened? Approach the witness.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Looking at a recollection?

Speaker 17 (22:01):
What remember?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Right?

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (22:05):
Now, with regards to the chat, the group chat, do
you were called now whether or not a defendant said
anything in the group chat regarding coming to Trouble High
School to meet up for this fight?

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (22:18):
And what did he say that come to Trumble High
Slide slide right Now what does slide mean?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Usually it's used as a term to come here?

Speaker 7 (22:28):
And uh, did anybody? Did anybody show up at Trouble
High School? No? At some point in time? How long
were you at Trouble High School?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
For fifteen to twenty minutes?

Speaker 7 (22:40):
And were you guys drinking any alcohol? From Lazy Brook
all the way until fifteen to twenty minutes after you
got to Trouble hig schools ain't drinking going on?

Speaker 10 (22:48):
I still had a bottle of Kinky, but I don't
believe you're really drinking.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
Much when you got to Trouble High School. In addition
to the group chat, what do you recall what other
people were doing? I didn't give a moment.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Kind of just talking.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Did you meet up with anybody at Trumblehigh School?

Speaker 10 (23:04):
There's a carved girls there. I don't remember the girls' names,
but they were there. We were talking to them, and
then there was a BMW there about Trumble High kids?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Ken and did you have a conversation with those kids?

Speaker 8 (23:21):
And what kinds of things were you telling them at
Trumble High School?

Speaker 10 (23:25):
So they came around when we were looking to leave,
and we had a conversation with them, saying, would you
guys come with us to forty three gone?

Speaker 8 (23:35):
And what was the purpose of them going to forty
three Laurel Glen with you to fight? And you had
the address of forty three Laurel Glenn, how did you
get that address?

Speaker 4 (23:45):
All these Shong kids in the group chat were dropping
it in.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
And at some point in time did you leave Loyreld Glynn,
I mean leave Trumble High School?

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Excuse me?

Speaker 7 (23:54):
And where were you headed when you left Tumble High School?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Forty three gone?

Speaker 7 (23:58):
And what was the purpose of going there?

Speaker 8 (24:01):
And uh, just prior to leaving Trouble High School, did
you have a conversation with the defendant about going.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Over to forty through Laurel Glenn, Yes, tell me about
that conversation. What was it like, what was he saying?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
You were just saying, yeah, let's go fuck these kids up,
like we already sucked.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Them up once.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
It's kind of laughing about it. I was agreeing, yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 11 (24:28):
So, uh.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
So you left Trouble High School and you drove over
to forty three. Laurel Glenn. Were you were you intoxicated
at this point? Were you what were you like?

Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, you had we're drinking alcohol?

Speaker 10 (24:42):
What were we like I would say I have like
that that warm feeling in my body when it was
too intoxicated, but I definitely had alcohol my system.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Did you think you had your muscles or anything like that?

Speaker 7 (24:57):
Now at some point did you Did you arrive at
Laurel Glenn?

Speaker 6 (25:02):
We did?

Speaker 8 (25:02):
And when you arrived at Laurel Glenn, do you recall
the State's exhibit one behind you?

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Can you tell us.

Speaker 8 (25:09):
If you can recall how you got to Laurel Glenn.
There's a point to right in front of you if
you want to use the pointer. What I recall is
that's right to the Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
I recall Basically my memory is kind of like going
coming down here and like being in the firm right here.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Stopping from the house.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
So when you say you stopped in front of the house,
I'm going to show you.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
State's exhibits forty nine.

Speaker 11 (25:43):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Can you show us on stage forty nine using your words,
where do you call car stopping?

Speaker 11 (25:49):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (25:49):
Kind of in the middle of the street, in front
of the mailbox area front of the mailbox or.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yes, forty yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
Son Fingers pointed to the center of the lowland, somewhere
in the front of the drive.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Away living in the middle of the room, all right,
And when you when you got there, was there anybody outside?

Speaker 10 (26:16):
There was a couple of kids hanging up in the
back like yard, but no one really outside yet.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
At some point in time did the kids come outside?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Why?

Speaker 7 (26:27):
Uh? Did anybody?

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Was the group chat still going on at this point?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It was?

Speaker 6 (26:32):
And what if anything did.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
You say in the group chat about uh, your presence
at forty three log Lane.

Speaker 10 (26:39):
I didn't say anything, but I'm pretty sure someone from
our call told him that we were there.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
And when that happened, did people start coming out of
the house? Do you recall where they came out.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Of the house?

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm gonna look like in the backyard.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
And when they came from the backyard, how did they
make their way towards.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
The car running?

Speaker 7 (26:56):
And did they come down the front lawn? Did they
come down the driveway? How did they come come out
of both both? And when they how many people would
you say came out of the house.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
At that point, I'm thirty five forty people?

Speaker 7 (27:11):
And when they came out of the house, Uh, did
you have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
With any of these people, like a semi one?

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Tell me about that?

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Obviously the car was surrounded.

Speaker 10 (27:23):
Quickly by a ton of people. I'm the kid on
my right. I started saying, like, what happened when one
of our boys saying, you jumped him? And I was like,
I kind of lied to him, said no, no, he didn't,
what do you mean? And then the kid actually on
the fight earlier that night came over to my side.
They started screaming at me, fuck you, fuck you. So

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I started screaming back, and it's when it kind of
almost got a little chaotic and the car started rocking.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
You could feel getting kicked.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, did the defendant say anything at this point in time?

Speaker 12 (27:57):
He did?

Speaker 7 (27:57):
What did he say?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
He was screaming out the know to like, fuck you guys.
You guys are plusses.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Now when the kicking and punching of the car happened,
How long.

Speaker 12 (28:08):
Did that that go on for it?

Speaker 7 (28:10):
Would you say?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I would say around fifteen seconds.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
And after fifteen seconds what happened?

Speaker 6 (28:19):
Lato actually said, drive to jack.

Speaker 10 (28:23):
Jack started like almost like inching, and people started to
get out of the way.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
And then he drove And where did he drive?

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Using states Exhibit one, can you show us where he drove?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
That's me.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
We were like right here, and he drove up this
road and it's did did you were called? Jack drove
up and down the road at all?

Speaker 8 (28:42):
He drove up here, he turned around one in the
car and broke back down and then turned out quickly
again and drove back up where you started to get out.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Now, when you were in the car, where were.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
You seated at this point in time?

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Yeah, passengers from passing seat, Do you recall if anything
was thrown at the car when you were when Jack
was driving up and down the street? Do you recall
if anything was thrown from the.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
Car when you guys were driving up and down the street?

Speaker 8 (29:12):
Now at some point in time you indicate that you
stopped in the area just but prior to thirty six world, Yes,
And can you please describe when you get to that area,
to the best of your recollection, what do you remember
happening when the car does the car stop at that point?

Speaker 6 (29:33):
What happened?

Speaker 10 (29:34):
Stops and he's actually screaming, let me out, let me out,
just crying, dall out.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Jack stays in the car.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
We all get out.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
The damages, there's dances, it's shattered and shield right in
front of me.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
The car is very beat up and defending gets out
as well, and he's looking at to I'm.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Gonna stop you there for a second. I want to
show you a video first.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
In regards to getting out of the car.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Do you remember who initially got out.

Speaker 12 (30:02):
Of the car?

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Me and Lito? Did anybody else get out of the car?
That's but this person getting out of the car right
there in the front seat.

Speaker 12 (30:17):
Who's that?

Speaker 16 (30:17):
That's me?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's you.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
I'm gonna point again this person right he did you
know who that is outside the car?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Not?

Speaker 12 (30:26):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (30:26):
And do you see a person with on your mind?
See a person in between these two posts here?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
That's KENSI that's.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
Ckenzie and Kennedy? Who's Kenny?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You try?

Speaker 18 (30:40):
How do you know her?

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I've seen schooler.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
So it was just the point you're describing in your testament.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
This is the point where you remember getting out down
the street near Farmhouse Lane. Yes, Now, when you get
out down the street near Farmhouse Lane, do you recall
if anybody from the other.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
Party comes down and talks to you guys or comes
at you guys?

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Okay, this is about eleven forty one at night.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, say it's forty four.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
This is a different angle of that same video. Remember
bringing camera in front of the house.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
Do you recall this happening when on May fourwo No,
but you're clearly standing on the side of the road
here right.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
Yes, but you don't recall them coming down.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
So, to the best of recollection, do you recall any
physical altercation happening at around this time down.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Near a farmhouse lane in Laurel left? Do you recall
anybody with any any weapons on them at this.

Speaker 12 (31:52):
Point in time?

Speaker 7 (31:56):
So at some point in time, actually, can you play
the rest it.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
See something through something that Jack's car? Do you recall that, h.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
So you said you got out of the car, you
were expected you were looking at the car.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
You're looking at the damage of the car. Tell me
tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury about that. What
were you guys doing with what you were called about
looking at the damage.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
To Jack's car?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Ob basically what I would call that.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
When I got out, I was looking for I saw
it all and especially with the Practican should already knew
I was able to be in front of me and
going around seeing the bumpers kicked in dent everywhere.

Speaker 12 (32:44):
Uh, I was.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
How the can they do this, and this is like,
this is like it's.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
Going to be very extensive from Jack himself, right, And
then the defendant was with me while looking at it.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
In his there was more fuck these kids, are you
really gonna let them?

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Do you like this?

Speaker 10 (33:05):
And not to say yes, I was upset as well,
but I just like basically came to a closion with Jack.
I asked him, you know, bring me back down there and.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Let me go talk.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Now, when you said that, the defendant was was saying,
you know you're gonna let them?

Speaker 12 (33:20):
Do you like that?

Speaker 7 (33:20):
How is how is his demeanor?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
How was he acting angry?

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Was he more angry than anybody else? And now you
indicated that you wanted to go back down there. Why
did you want to go back down to forty three?

Speaker 10 (33:34):
Laurel Glenn, my cousins and my cousin and their family
know the Riches themselves. They actually over by them on
that street, that street, but straight over. So I knew
the Riches, I knew Tyler Rich. I also know a
lot of showing kids too, so I thought I.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Could talk to them.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
I didn't think I had a problem with them.

Speaker 7 (33:54):
So when you were down at the corner of Laurel
Glennard Farmhouse Road.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
Did did anybody else besides you, the defendant and Jack
get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Do you recall everyone else?

Speaker 7 (34:08):
So will Dmitri, Keenan and McKenzie. Do you recall at
that point in time you said McKenzie was upset. Do
you know whether or not anybody wanted to get it
right out of there at that point?

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Not that I knew it.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Do you know whether Well, let me ask you this.
At that point in time, could you have left the
area and go on home? Could you have called the
police at that point about the damage to Jack's car?

Speaker 6 (34:40):
But you did.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
At that point in time, if Jack didn't want to
drive you home, could you have called somebody for a ride?

Speaker 17 (34:50):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (34:52):
When you were down there and the defendant was acting
aggressively and indicating Jack.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
You're gonna let them.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Do you like this?

Speaker 10 (35:02):
What was?

Speaker 7 (35:02):
Tell me? Did anything else happen during that interaction with you,
Jack and the defendant outside of the car. It was
more exactly what you said. It was aggressive anger and
the defendant not to say. Yes, I was upset as well,
and slow was Jack. When I mentioned to Jack let

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me go down and.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Talk to him.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
I know these kids better than any of you guys.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
We were beginning to get back in and when you
got back into the car, who was getting into the car?

Speaker 10 (35:32):
You know, got into the front patcher's seat before me,
and I was going around the car to get into
the back.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
And when you were getting into the car, what if
anything was said?

Speaker 10 (35:41):
When you were getting into the car, I heard that
eventant defendant say Jack, give me a knife.

Speaker 8 (35:46):
And did you see a knife that night? Did you
see Jack hand the defendant the knife? And when you
were getting back into.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
The car, ah, did you have a knife on you?

Speaker 8 (35:59):
And do you do you know whether or not the
defendant knows anybody at the rich household? Do you know
why the defendant was getting in the car at that
point in time?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Not really?

Speaker 7 (36:14):
And at some point did you go back drive down
back down to Laurel forty three Laurel Lenn tell me
about that? Where did you what happened when you were driving?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
So we drove straight back down like right when we
get in that car, and I explained that point.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Where I heard the defendant asked for a knife.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
That was very syncred synk to me getting in and
I was driving down and when we drove down.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
I got out of the car and walked straight up.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Where did you get out of the car?

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I got out all right here. I got out right
in front of the mailbox.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Almost okay, so about uh, Jack pulled the car somewhere
in this area, and you got the car and you walked.

Speaker 10 (37:06):
Up where I like, walked up like right a little
past the grass, but then onto.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
The statement not where.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Dry?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
What may yes?

Speaker 11 (37:22):
Like?

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Yeah, when you get out of the car, did you
notice anybody with you?

Speaker 10 (37:27):
So when I got out of the car, I thought
it was just gonna going to be me, And then
I noticed he knows on on the right hand side
of it.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
And when you saw alto on your right hand side,
what did you think to yourself at that point?

Speaker 10 (37:37):
I just kind of thought, what is he doing? Like
he's I mean, there's no one he knows here. A
smart idea for him to be coming up? Why wouldn't
it be a smart idea because no one knows him?
Right me being me and knowing people, I thought maybe
I could talk to Tyler rich and it wouldn't be
a big thing. But seeing him coming up to the

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right side and having both of us being walking up
just would not be something that would be smart, and
why wouldn't it be smart?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
He was really angry before.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
I don't think he was looking to talk peacefully like
I was, to talk to ty Rich about the damages.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
He didn't know ty Rich, what is he going to
talk about?

Speaker 7 (38:19):
And with regards to going.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
Back there and the defendant getting out, did you have
did you think that it was going to end well?

Speaker 7 (38:29):
No?

Speaker 18 (38:30):
Why?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Like I said, like he was, he was upset, he
was angry. He was showing it way more. He wasn't
looking I feel like he wasn't looking for anything peaceful.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
Did you at that point in time when you got
out of the car, did you notice if the defendant
had any weapons on him?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Not?

Speaker 7 (38:48):
What was the lighting out like that night?

Speaker 4 (38:50):
It was dark?

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Would you see in front of you Thom, Yes, it
wasn't pitch black. Was there some ambient light coming from
the house. Yeah, Jack's lights were on his car.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
That light kind of helped out.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Was there anybody outside at that point in time when
you started walking up initially?

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Not really?

Speaker 7 (39:08):
And when you were walking up the house, h what
if anything happened as you were walking up.

Speaker 10 (39:18):
When I was walking up, No one was really around
and then someone said they're back. I screamed it out
almost and I was greeted by a large individual straight
to my face in the first three seconds who got
really close up to me, started screaming, yelling at me,
the fuck you doing back? What are you doing here?
And I was like, yeah, I'm trying to talk to

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Tyler rich And then that was going on. Tyler rich
came to the right side of me, and I was like, yo, Tyler,
and then he just screamed at.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Me, get the fuck off my property before I fuck
you up.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
So you were you were walking up Tyler Richard somewhere
to your right, and he was telling you to get
off his property.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
And when that was happening, where was the defendant?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You remember, eight feet to the right of me, So
from maybe.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Near at me to maybe the the wood banister there.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
And yeah, okay, And could you see what the defendant
was doing at that point in time?

Speaker 10 (40:14):
He had a group of kids almost like kind of
surrounding him as well, and he was screaming back at them.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
He was screaming at them. What kinds of things was
he screaming here? Did it look like he was acting peacefully?
Did it look like he was trying to calm the situation.
Did it look like he was acting aggressively?

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
At some point in time, tell me what happens next.

Speaker 10 (40:40):
So right when Tyler Rich came to my face and
scream nine to me, I knew this is not going
to go the way I thought it was going to go.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
More kids kept funneling out, got a louder, more chaotic.
They started screaming at me. I started screaming back.

Speaker 10 (40:56):
And I'm looking over at Lido because he had a
lot of people around him. I see him get punched
and I almost like took a step forward and I
got hit from the back of my head and almost fell.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Forward into a group like people. And before I knew
I was on the ground.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
And now, are you familiar with Jimmy McGrath. I am.
I grew up playing lacrosse against him.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And you know what that is, Yeah, it's Jimmy.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Oh do you call seeing Jimmy during this initial part?

Speaker 17 (41:34):
Was he in the Uh?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
No?

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Now you say that you you got hit and you fell? Yeah,
and when you failed your call?

Speaker 6 (41:44):
What was going on when you fell?

Speaker 10 (41:46):
I was so chaotic that it was almost like I
just felt stuff coming from all different sides of me
getting kicked, punched.

Speaker 12 (41:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Kind, I was just faced down, so I don't really
call what was going on around me.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
How long would you say the fight lasted four year?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Call?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I would say like ten fifteen seconds.

Speaker 8 (42:09):
And when the fight started, you were call seeing where
the defendant went. Okays, No, now you said you didn't
see Jimmy during the initial part of the fight. Did
you see him involved in the fight And the initial
part of the fight, Now, at some point in time when.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
You're on the ground, you said ten to fifteen seconds?

Speaker 6 (42:31):
What happens next that you remember.

Speaker 10 (42:35):
What I remember is being on the ground kind of
like gang kicked, getting punched whatever, then almost gang pushed,
like so my body gets like almost let go, and
like I glide into like the street.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, I'll get out of it.

Speaker 18 (42:54):
So we're looking afore, can you should tell us stage
four where you were call pushed out.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
To the street.

Speaker 10 (43:02):
I remember like being over by that first far red bush,
like that's over there, I believe where I was getting
beat up. And then I come out straight out in
front of it.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
We're looking at the left, which appears to be next
to the blue pickup truck, and then he indicated that
he was pushed out towards the.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Street where the curve are part allow.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
And when you uh get you said you got pushed
out into the street.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Well, it almost felt like they let go of me.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
And when you are out into the street, what if
anything you were called doing at that point, I like
stumble out into the street.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I turned around and there's just a big kids screaming,
very chaosic.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Were the wall of kids that were screaming? Were they
coming after you at that point?

Speaker 12 (43:54):
No?

Speaker 6 (43:54):
Were you going after them at that point?

Speaker 7 (43:57):
Did you have a weapon on you at that point?

Speaker 12 (43:58):
Now?

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Did uh?

Speaker 7 (44:01):
You were screaming back at them? They were screaming at you? Uh?
Was the fight over at that point?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
My analedge Yes?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
And how long would you say the fight was over?
How long did that screaming go on?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Like five five seconds?

Speaker 7 (44:17):
And after that five seconds? What do you remember doing.

Speaker 10 (44:21):
After that five seconds? While I was screaming at them?
It was like a screaming match. I looked to my
left and I saw the car Jack Snyder was driving
almost going driving away.

Speaker 12 (44:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I never played a video watching video and connections to
this case.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yes, that Yeah, I'm gonna show you stayed sixty two.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Do you know who that is? In State sixty two?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I do.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It?

Speaker 6 (45:13):
State sixty three? You know who this individual is on
the ground the shirt pulled up? Yeah, that's me. Now
do you recall seeing Jimmy McGrath during this part of
the place.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
They're not State sixty eight.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
This person that's here with the jeans on.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
With your shirt kind of pulled off going towards what's like,
they're going towards the street.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Do you know who that is? I do.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's me and this individual people were left.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
Do you know who that is? I know unless you
stayed sixty nine A. Do you know who this individual
is on the street?

Speaker 4 (45:50):
That's me.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
You were call seeing Jimmy McGrath at the wall during
this time.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
You were call seeing him involved.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
In any of of the fights during this during this time.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
Now you indicated that, Uh, you look to your left
and you see the car driving away.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Ye tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I mean, I'm screaming at these kids are screaming at me.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
Nothing's really occurring, but I don't know what's gonna happen. Next,
I turned to my left and I ride Jack Schneider
is driving away.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I almost went to.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Like that flight mode of like what what the buck?
And I just right away just ran at the car,
screaming stop.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
And did you get in the car? Where did you
get in the car?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
The back seat, the back seat on.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
The passenger side of the driver's side.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
And was the defendant in the car? Was? Where was
he seated?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
You see in the right passenger seat front?

Speaker 8 (46:44):
And when you got in the car, what if anything
did you say to Jack or the defendant when you
got in the car.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
I was angry.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I just started screaming at them.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
What kind of thing? What were you saying?

Speaker 10 (46:56):
I was like, fuck you guys, just let me, let
me get my ass feet like no one's gonna help
me out out.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
You're also about to just leave me drive away at
some point.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
And now when you're saying this, are you just seated
in the car?

Speaker 12 (47:07):
Are you?

Speaker 10 (47:08):
I'm like kind of head down, like in distraught, Like
my head was booming and adrenaline was rushing.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Through my body like I was at some point in time.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
Tell us about where the car goes if you put
a call.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
That's what I recalls.

Speaker 10 (47:25):
I mean, the car's going fast. You take this left
turn and we're going fast through and the defendant go
stops off stop, and I got slams on the brakes
were almost like because my head was down. I was
smashed into the front seat with my head and I'm
like still screaming. I'm like I'm not thinking anything of
like stops off stop and I'm still screaming. I like,

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look up, I see the defendant entering back into the car.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
And did you know why the defendant got out of
the car.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
And when the defendant got back into the car, what
if anything did you hear him say?

Speaker 18 (47:57):
Next?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
He say go go go?

Speaker 7 (47:59):
And and do you recall the path the car took
after the defense said go go go?

Speaker 10 (48:06):
Yeah, it's almost like you're on like a roundabout, so
like it was like like a right enough right and
then another right where we might straight back up.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Do you call? Do you call if you went past?
Did you pass the house again?

Speaker 12 (48:21):
You call?

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Yeah? We did?

Speaker 7 (48:22):
So if we can use states one? Did you you
were called the path of travel? Uh, to the best
of your recollection, I very much.

Speaker 10 (48:30):
And I said when I got in the short class,
and this was the week Gobe came back.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
Out here, And when you flew back down the street,
where did you go?

Speaker 10 (48:44):
We were going back up the street right around here,
and it said stop stops up again, and he got
out of the car.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
He just looked at me, and.

Speaker 10 (48:52):
Jack said, I love you guys. I'm going home with McKenzie.
And I got out and got back into the front
passenger seat.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
And when you got back in the front passenger seat,
do you call where you guys went next?

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Me and Gag just drove straight.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Let me see straight?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
You go straight?

Speaker 4 (49:18):
You go straight? Is where we eventually hit another dead end.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
I'll show you, uh Defen's.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Exhibit the.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Very large overhead shot in the entire area. It's defense.

Speaker 9 (49:33):
Are you talking about hitting the dead end all the
way at the end of Laurel Glenn?

Speaker 7 (49:37):
Yes, okay, And when you got to the end of
Laurel Glenn, what did you guys do next?

Speaker 4 (49:43):
We kind of like, where are we right now?

Speaker 10 (49:45):
We had no idea, So I grab my phone and
I put in my address and no burden And when
you let that go, we finally got it up.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
We got up leave and on the way home. How
long was the ride to your house in Milford from
from Shelton.

Speaker 8 (50:03):
And during that twenty minute ride, did you have a
conversation with Jack about what had happened?

Speaker 7 (50:08):
I did now without telling us what Jack said? What
kind of things were you saying to him?

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I was upset.

Speaker 10 (50:16):
I kind of was continuing oll demeanor of like why
did you let me get my ass being just sitting
in the car, and then also why.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Were you going to drive off without me?

Speaker 10 (50:27):
And I felt like an anger towards him, so adrenaline
running through my body and I was just like mad
at him.

Speaker 7 (50:34):
And during the ride home, did you also talk about
what had.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Just happened at the house?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Not in the beginning, but yes, mid drive it got
brought up.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
And tell us about that, now what Jack said, But
tell me what kinds of things were you were you saying?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
So I actually called my cousin. I told him about
what happened to me.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
And this is the cousin that knows Tyler told him,
Richard just jumped me with a bunch of kids. He said,
hold up, like, I'll call him alright, sorry, and uh
he called me back. And that's when I learned that
someone's been stabbed, or multiple people have been stabbed.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
And when you had learned that multiple people had been stabbed,
did you understand the gravity of the situation them.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Not really, I didn't know the severity of it. He
didn't know the severity of it. I didn't learn it.
I didn't like I knew that that can't be good.
That's crazy, because I had no idea what the hell happened.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
I just got my assp. I didn't know.

Speaker 10 (51:38):
Someone like someone was stabbing people. So I didn't know
the severity of it. And it basically just led me
to ask I did hear it? I asked Jack, did
you did you give Leto a knife?

Speaker 8 (51:52):
And based on that conversation, Uh, not what Jack said,
but what was your reply to what Jack said?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
So Leto killed those kids?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Stab those kids?

Speaker 7 (52:02):
And at some point in time, did you get back
to your house at ce View?

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah? Email Fred.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
And did you have a conversation with anybody when you got.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
Back to the house.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, my cousin followed us.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Who's your cousin own? And at that point in time,
did you understand the severity of the situation. This is
where I learned more of the severity.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I learned that it was a kid and that might
not make it.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
And prior to learning the severity of the situation, did
you and Jack when you were talking, did you have
what was your conversation like with regards to did you
want payback? Yes, once you learned the severity of the situation,
tell me tell us about what you did during those

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during those hours after you learned what had happened.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Once I learned what happened, Jack went home. Oh I
loved him, so just go home.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
He went home.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I went upstairs with my cousin. I sat down.

Speaker 10 (53:07):
He kind of asked me more of what happened to you?
They're like, this is not knowing more and more fight.
I kind of just told him everything that I knew,
and I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
What actually happened to severity of it. We ate a
little something and he left.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
I went up to my room, and I'd say thirty
minutes later, I called the defendant.

Speaker 7 (53:32):
Did you have a conversation with the defendant?

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah? I basically confronted him and said, yo, did you
stab those kids?

Speaker 7 (53:39):
And what was his response?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I fucked up? I'm sorry, And.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Is that all he said? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (53:53):
Now, since that night, have you had any other communication
with the defendant now?

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Other than later that night. I did get a phone
call from him, but it was just silence.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
Now, at some point during the night or early morning,
hours of May fifteenth, of twenty two.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
Do you know whether or not the Shelton Police Department
came to your house to discuss the matter with you?

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (54:17):
I do?

Speaker 7 (54:18):
And you did you in fact discuss the matter with them?

Speaker 12 (54:22):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
I attorney said not to and they talked to my dad.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
Agree And after that the next morning, what did you do?

Speaker 10 (54:36):
The next morning, we left the advice of my council
and we drove up to Vermont, where we further stopped
at a hospital.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Halfway through.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Why did you stop at the hospital?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I was beginning to feel like I was going to
blow up.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
My head was pounding, and I knew something wasn't right,
especially after what happened to me last night.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Especially my mom being the mom she is, she was like,
let's just go get you checked out.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
And when you got checked out, what was your diagnosis?

Speaker 12 (55:06):
Well?

Speaker 10 (55:08):
I had a cushion, multiple confusions all over my head
and body, bruise, ribs, bruises all over my body. They,
basically the hospital basis said what what what the fuck
happened to you?

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I said, I just got on a basic fight and
they said, this is no basic but.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
And with regards to what kind of treatment did they
say you had to go through what it? Did you
have to take any medicine?

Speaker 10 (55:32):
Now, they gave me advil for my bruise, ribs and
all the confusions, the inflammation for a percussion.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
They just said rest, no electronics.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
Yeah, Now, as far as you're concerned with regards to
May fourteenth to twenty twenty two, when you got out
of the car that night at Tyler Rich's house, did
Jack get out of the car? No?

Speaker 6 (55:59):
So, to your the best of your.

Speaker 7 (56:00):
Recollection, who got out of who is the only people
that got out of the car?

Speaker 8 (56:04):
Me?

Speaker 6 (56:04):
And lead up?

Speaker 7 (56:05):
And when you got out of the car. Did you
have a weapon on you?

Speaker 6 (56:08):
At that point?

Speaker 18 (56:08):
I did not?

Speaker 7 (56:09):
Did you have a weapon on you the entire time
during that fight? And to the best of your recollection, you,
through your lawyer, decided to come and tell us through
your story to the State of Connecticut in December of
twenty two, that was the first time we heard that story. Yes,
has that story changed at all between the time you

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told that story to Shelton Police Department and today.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Looking back on it.

Speaker 8 (56:37):
Did you have to go back to the house on
forty three Laurel of Glenn that night May fourteenth to
twenty two, could have left.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Should have left?

Speaker 7 (56:46):
No for the questions.

Speaker 14 (56:49):
Its good morning, mister de Silva. We've never met before,
so we've never discussed this case before. We have not
if you don't have any agreement that you've signed with
me about testifying here today, you do have one in
place with the state, right yea. And you didn't talk
to anybody or give them this version of the story

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until you got that in place.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (57:13):
You wanted immunity from anything that you had done that
night right before you would tell anybody what you say
happened that night, correct. And that immunity covers criminal activity
or investigation of a homicide.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Right.

Speaker 14 (57:30):
You understand that to be murdered. Correct, And that includes
the assaults of Thomas Connory correct, Ryan Hines, correct, Faison
Teal correct. And you understand that you have exposure if
you were going to be prosecuted and convicted of those crimes.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Right.

Speaker 14 (57:51):
Yes, sorry, you just have to say yes or no
when I asked a question, because the court quarter asked
to get it. Okay, it's also loud, as you've probably
noticed that I got to compete with that little bit,
so you can keep your voice up and just make
sure you answer audibly. And you understand that if you
were tried and convicted for crimes of accessory to murder,

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conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy commit assault, that those crimes
carry in excess of one hundred years in jail.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Right, yes, I understand that. But with my age, I
would have had that ability for a pearol.

Speaker 14 (58:27):
Oh you know about your ability for parole?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Something about it?

Speaker 14 (58:31):
What do you know about it?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Because I was told that since I was underage's ability
for parol?

Speaker 14 (58:36):
Ability for parole? Were you told you would get parole?

Speaker 4 (58:40):
No?

Speaker 14 (58:41):
What's what's sixty percent of one hundred and twenty?

Speaker 4 (58:47):
How good a math?

Speaker 12 (58:48):
You know? What?

Speaker 14 (58:49):
Would fifty percent.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Of one hundred and twenty me pjection relevance?

Speaker 14 (58:54):
Sixty? So six of one hundred and twenty would be
more than sixty right? A lot of time, right, yeah,
a lifetime right up, say in jail?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (59:09):
In fact, for you at the time, we're only seventeen
years old, it's correct. Even sixty years would be more
than three lifetimes to you at that point, right, It's correct.
Sounds like forever to you, doesn't it does? You don't
want to spend forever in jail to you honestly, No, No,

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you want immunity right. Without it, you're not telling us anything, right, right.
That was a pretty big incentive for you, okay, okay.
And once you got it, then you came in and
you told the state what you claim happened that night, right, Oh,

(59:56):
the truth. Well, you understand that it is your obligation
under that immunity agreement that you wanted, that you have
to testify truthfully, right, sir? And who determines whether or
not you testify truthfully?

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
I would say myself, it's my knowledge. And then to
determine if I'm telling the truth would be a state.

Speaker 14 (01:00:17):
Of of Connecticut, that's right, the people sitting at this table, right,
So yeah, watching you testify here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Right, correct?

Speaker 14 (01:00:28):
And you did give a statement in this case, correct,
And prior to come in here and testify, were you
allowed to review that statement? I was, So you know
what's expected of you to come in here and testify truthfully? Right?

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:00:46):
And you said any deviation would equal prosecution, right, it's correct.
So even if you wanted to, even if you had
a change of heart and said, you know, that's all
of that stuff I told him wasn't true. If you
said that on this stand, do you think that this
immunity agreement would still protect you?

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
I won it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
Feeling a lot of pressure today, I've been just nervous.
That's not the same as feeling pressure, hook say, could be.
But so that evening started off at a party that
you'd been invited to over at five lace Brook, right,

(01:01:31):
And that was a Saint Joe's party right start. You
didn't expect to see anybody there but Saint Joe's kids.
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Usually how it goes?

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Yeah, and when you.

Speaker 14 (01:01:39):
Got there, you said, there are as many as forty
people there?

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:01:42):
Did you see Austin light for there?

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
I did?

Speaker 14 (01:01:44):
From what was he doing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Drinking?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Very very proxicated, in.

Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
Fact, so intoxicated he was throwing up.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:01:52):
Did you see Madigan light for there?

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
I did?

Speaker 14 (01:01:54):
And in fact she told you this party is getting
a little out of hand. Can you keep people from
coming in that aren't supposed to be here? She asked
you to bounce people effectively.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Right, not directly, but along those lines, keep people out.

Speaker 14 (01:02:09):
And some folks showed up that you didn't know, Right.
You never met Ryan Hines before in your life, never
met Griffin marsinsic before in your life. And you guys,
you approached them, or Jack approached them, or Roll approached them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
My recollection to be kind of found them waiting in
the garage.

Speaker 14 (01:02:32):
Area, waiting in the garage area. What were they doing?

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Going to come out?

Speaker 18 (01:02:37):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (01:02:39):
And then you approach these kids, or Jack approaches these kids.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I don't recall who went up first, but and then
she was all three of us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Approaching them, okay.

Speaker 14 (01:02:49):
And at some point Jack grabs one of the kids
case of beer, right correct? And at that point, at
least you agree that it became more of a dispute
between Jack and that kid directly. Yes, everybody else is
kind of watching to see what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 14 (01:03:09):
Were you screaming anything at that kid at that point?
Did you reach over and try and help Jack take
the beer from the kid? How far away from Jack
were you at that point? Were you worried that this
kid was going to do something to Jack?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I wouldn't say worried, but I wasn't expecting to fight.

Speaker 14 (01:03:29):
You were expecting to fight at that point. Everybody was
expecting to fight between Jack and that kid, right, Yes?
And then that kid had come with another kid, right?
And where was that kid?

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Just standing off in listence?

Speaker 14 (01:03:44):
And you told us before that you had brought two
bottles of is it kinky like k I N K
y okay? And you got that from a liquor store.
You had a fake I D I did not? How'd
you at that at the liquor store?

Speaker 12 (01:04:00):
You stole it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Talk well with people, You talk well with people.

Speaker 14 (01:04:05):
Talked your way into getting two bottles of liquor, Yes,
without having to show an ID. Yes, pretty slick, you'd agree,
How lucky got lucky? Had you done that before?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:04:19):
Not first and only time you'd ever talked your way
into some liquor? Yeah, not the first and only time
you'd ever talked your way into something you weren't supposed
to have. You sold us that you drank some of
that in the car, correct, Yes, And that was on
the way to go pick up mister Vallely was from

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his house. He didn't come out with any liquor, right,
He didn't come out with any weapons, did he. He
came out with his girlfriend McKinsey traffick.

Speaker 12 (01:04:47):
Enty.

Speaker 14 (01:04:49):
They hopped in the car with you guys, and you
went over to five lazy brook right right, No talk
in the car of anything violent, fighting going on, anything
like that. Basketball, sorry, just socializing, just basketball. Group chat
hadn't started yet. Right then you described what you've called

(01:05:10):
a usual high school party. Happened in it five lays
you broke right, and we saw the photograph that was
you or that was Jack and Raoul at that party? Correct?
And did you see he had something around his neck,
a pillow of some sort of pillow neck pillow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
What was that about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I don't know, you're trying to be funny?

Speaker 14 (01:05:31):
Was that fairly consistent with who mister Valley was trying
to be funny?

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:05:39):
And there was beer pong going on, right, but it
was actually water pong. Is that what we're telling us?

Speaker 10 (01:05:45):
Well, usually nowadays the way beer pong works is they
fill the cups of water, got to refill down with beer,
and you just chick.

Speaker 14 (01:05:52):
SIPs your lot so as not to waste beer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
That, and I mean, so you're not chugging half a
cup beer every time you get a cup. Evolution of
the beer plumb game, I would say.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
And you said that.

Speaker 14 (01:06:13):
There were words exchanged in an argument between mister Snyder
and mister Hines, right, what they squared off? Right, Your
recollection was that mister Snyder was the one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Who threw the first punch, right, That's what I remembered.

Speaker 14 (01:06:32):
Yeah, then you watch the video and you say you
can see that mister Valley throws what you've described as
a supper punch.

Speaker 11 (01:06:38):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:06:38):
Yes, mister Hines and mister Snyder, you would agree, they
were sort of squaring off and moving around trying to
get position on one another. The people in that crowd
that were watching, if you were one of you didn't
know which way they were going to go.

Speaker 12 (01:06:51):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:06:52):
Eventually you saw mister Heinz tackle mister Snyder.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
Yes, they go to the ground and sort of go
off the screen what looks like behind a minivan of
some sort. You joined the fray, Mister Valley joins the fray?
Who else joins the fray? At that point?

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
The only think people I remember is us three, you
would agree.

Speaker 14 (01:07:15):
However, after watching the video there were more people that
joined the fray.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:07:18):
Some girls come over, Yes, yes, some other people come over.
It appears did somebody pull you off or did you stand.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Up on your own? I stand it up on my own.

Speaker 14 (01:07:30):
Did you ever see mister Valley, take that motorcycle helmet all. No,
did you see him swing it at anybody? People were
struggling to get people off in that video, right, that
was a fight, kind of a quick fight, yes, he said.

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Folks got up separated, right. The two kids who had
come that you were trying to keep out, they left
it did leave, yeah, And you said, then the party
went on for another thirty to forty five minutes dead. Yes,
what was going on during that thirty to forty five
minutes just more of the same.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Typical party socializing, no talk.

Speaker 14 (01:08:11):
About let's go get into a fight, anything like that.
And then you said, Mama Life first came and shut
it down, right, He told everybody to get out of there.
You left Lazybrook Road trying to figure out what to
do with that pot?

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Is that fair?

Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
Say?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Kind of looked for another party.

Speaker 14 (01:08:32):
Were you trying to look for these kids that had
just come that you just kicked out of the fight.
Was Jack who had just sort of been getting the
worst of that into the fight? Was he angry and
wanted to go find those kids? And at that point
you described you'd already gotten into the car when this
group chat began, right, and you claimed that you were

(01:08:54):
added to the group chat. Right right, When you say
that you were added to the group chat, how could
you tell that this group chat pre existed You're being
added to it.

Speaker 10 (01:09:07):
I couldn't really tell that was pre existed. I just
got added to it and then they were chatting, so
I just thought this was already going on.

Speaker 14 (01:09:15):
Okay, you didn't create it, not created. Mister Balley didn't
create it. Mister Snyder didn't create it. And yet the
three of you simultaneously got added to it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I don't know the points of when we got added.

Speaker 14 (01:09:31):
Okay. And at that point you started what you described
was the group chat tone was aggressive and violent.

Speaker 11 (01:09:41):
Right, yes, And.

Speaker 14 (01:09:45):
Somehow you found your way over to Trumbull High School?

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:09:49):
Did you yourself didn't go to Trumble High School. I
was in the car, but but I'm saying you didn't
attend to Trumbull High School. Nobody in your vehicle attended
Trumble High School.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:10:00):
How far was it from Lazybrook Road to Trumbull High School?

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
They'll take my word on it, probably seven minutes, ten minutes.

Speaker 14 (01:10:10):
You weren't going to Trumbull High School looking for the
kids from five Lazybrook.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Right at the time.

Speaker 14 (01:10:18):
How many people were on that group chat other than yourself,
mister Valley and mister Snyder.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
I don't know the number, but there had to be
a lot of people.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
And most of the aggressiveness and violence was that towards
your group of three or was that from your group
of three towards whatever this larger group was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I would say it was coming from both sides.

Speaker 10 (01:10:44):
Okay, there's more Saint Joe's kids in the group chat
that were being probably the most aggressive with little showing
kids than us three.

Speaker 14 (01:10:54):
So there were other Saint Joe's kids on there in
addition to the three of you. Yes, And you're saying
that those other Saint those kids were being more aggressive
than the three of you. I would say, had those
other Saint Joe's kids been involved at five Lazy Brook
and at some point you were being told to come
and fight, is that fair to say?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (01:11:17):
An address got sent to you, right, and at that
point you hadn't seen any knives or weapons in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:11:26):
There was no mention of knives or weapons in the car, correct,
and no drinking on the way when you started to
go towards this address.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
I still had one of the kinky bottles.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
But I believe you weren't drinking.

Speaker 14 (01:11:44):
And at Trumbull High School there were two other cars there, right,
one car of girls and a white BMW with two
guys in it, right, Yes, And those two guys attended
Trumbull High School, you told us, and they were friends
of Keenum Prasis. You didn't know them. And that address

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that got texted to you, that was not an address
you were familiar with, was it. You didn't say, oh,
forty three Laurel Glenn Drive, I know who lives there.
I don't know at that point it didn't register to
you that that was Tyler Rich's house. But you've told
us that you were friends with Tyler Rich's cousins. Is
that what you told about?

Speaker 20 (01:12:24):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
If my cousins are were friends with them, and how
did you know that?

Speaker 18 (01:12:29):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I know that, Yes, because my.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
Cousins lived in Misty Lane, which is a couple of
streets over and they always would talk about Tyler Rich.

Speaker 14 (01:12:37):
Okay, but you yourself had never met Tyler Rich before.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
I met him in the past, yes, before.

Speaker 14 (01:12:43):
But you'd never been to his home before.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
That you can recall, Yeah, that I could recall now
I have not, and.

Speaker 14 (01:12:53):
You said that there was a conversation about going to
forty three Laurel Glenn Drive with mister Valley, and you
told us he said, yeah, let's go. We fucked him
up once already. Do you remember telling us that? Yeah,
you never told the cops that when you spoke to
them before, did you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Believe not?

Speaker 14 (01:13:10):
No, that's the first time any of us are ever
hearing that, right, Yeah, that's a deviation from what you
said before. You worried about telling the state something different?

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Now was my truth that I remember?

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
No, And in fact, it's worse than anything you've told
him before, right, I didn't say so, Well, you never
before told him that. Mister Valley told you, yeah, let's go.
We fucked him up once already. Would you agree that
that is worse than what you told them before?

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
So yeah, what did you like that? Now?

Speaker 14 (01:13:45):
You told us when you got to forty three Laurel
Glinn Drive that the car parked in front of the
mailbox by the driveway, right, yes, not across the street
from the house.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Were almost in the middle of the road, in the
middle of.

Speaker 14 (01:14:02):
The road the first time that you stopped there, or
in the middle of the road when the car came
back before the fight there, and then you said you
think someone from the car texted that you were there.
Is it possible that mister Snyder hanked the horn? Yeah,
but somehow what went from what you claim was nobody

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being outside in the yard at first? Right, people came
running from the house, right, and you told us thirty
five to forty people right spilling down the driveway right right,
Sorry that you can't pick up a.

Speaker 16 (01:14:37):
Head non.

Speaker 14 (01:14:40):
Coming down through the yard as well, right, pouring out
of the house. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:14:45):
And they were coming straight at the car. Right, there's
seven of you in the car. Right, there's thirty five
to forty of them coming to you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:14:54):
What were you thinking at that point?

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:14:57):
Shit, you were scared. This was a dumb idea.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (01:15:03):
Yes, Did Mackenzie traffic Cante indicate to you in any
way that she thought, going over to forty three lged
lower blind drive that she was expecting to get into
a fight.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
Objection as to what Mackenzie says, The question was.

Speaker 15 (01:15:22):
Did she indicate by anyway I'll just be clear and
instructing news. Don't tell us what Mackenzie.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Said, if anything, answer with an article.

Speaker 14 (01:15:33):
Did Dimitrius our Finals indicate in any way through his
demeanor that he thought he was going over being taken
the forty three Laurel bl And Drive to get into
a fight.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Yes he did.

Speaker 10 (01:15:45):
Yes, I believe Dmitri, Keenan and Will were calling with
us to fight.

Speaker 14 (01:15:52):
Keenan Frasi, Yes, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
So.

Speaker 14 (01:15:57):
Smaller guy with kind of a mustache, Dimitrios so finest, Yeah,
quiet kind of guy. I was going over to get
in a fight. Yeah, you said that you thought maybe
kids were hanging outside in the backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, could you see the backyard?

Speaker 14 (01:16:21):
Oh, just that's where they came out of. And these
kids were running at the car, I would say so.
And they surrounded the car quickly, very quickly. Kids on
the driver's side, all sides, kids on the passenger side too,
Kids in front of the car, right, kids behind the car.

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:16:43):
You could feel the car rocking and shaking.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:16:46):
You could hear people kicking the car, pounding on the car.

Speaker 12 (01:16:48):
Right. Right.

Speaker 14 (01:16:50):
Some folks are outside screaming at the car.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
You said.

Speaker 14 (01:16:56):
One of them said you jumped our boys.

Speaker 6 (01:16:59):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:17:00):
You lied and said no, I didn't, Right, you lied
because you were scared. Right, Probably you were terrified.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Right, I once say terrified, but I would say scared.

Speaker 14 (01:17:13):
What's the difference between scared and terrified?

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Objections to relevance.

Speaker 15 (01:17:18):
I'm going to sustain the objection. If you want to
clean it, I'll hear it outside the jury.

Speaker 14 (01:17:25):
You were scared but not terrified?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:17:29):
Had you ever been surrounded in the car before like that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
I'm not.

Speaker 14 (01:17:33):
You weren't driving the vehicle, right. You didn't have any
way to make that vehicle move, did you not? Well,
but you could have gotten out of the car, right,
I got out of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Well, why not forty kids shining it?

Speaker 14 (01:17:46):
You were terrified of getting out of the car?

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Injection asked an answer.

Speaker 14 (01:17:52):
Were you scared of getting out of the car?

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:17:58):
Did you see mister Snyder reach into the console and
pull out a knife and put it in his lap?

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
I did not.

Speaker 14 (01:18:06):
Were you paying attention to what mister Snyder was doing
at that point?

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
I wasn't.

Speaker 14 (01:18:10):
You were focused on what was going on outside the
car right or.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
To the right side of my window where all the
kids were.

Speaker 14 (01:18:17):
And then you heard a windshield smash, right, somebody threw
something at it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I don't know how I got smashed, but smashed right
in front.

Speaker 14 (01:18:24):
Of me, right in front of you. At that point,
you were terrified, right, So you got a little more
scared a little more. You were worried somebody who's going
to smash the window? Right, Yeah, reach in and try
to pull you out of the car, right.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
I would object based on speculation.

Speaker 15 (01:18:45):
Well, I'm going to sustain the objection. You want to
rephrase the question.

Speaker 14 (01:18:50):
You were scared that somebody could break that window? Were
you not?

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
After seeing what happened to the wind showed, I would
say yes, And.

Speaker 14 (01:18:57):
If somebody broke that window, you were scared that they
might try.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
And attack you right where they're acting.

Speaker 14 (01:19:04):
Yes, that car was starting to feel very small, wasn't it. Yes,
you didn't feel like you had any way out of
that situation that you found yourself in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Digit Yeah, you.

Speaker 14 (01:19:20):
Were worried you might come to some great bodily harm.
Were you not.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Felt a little more protective since we were in the car,
You know what you're saying?

Speaker 14 (01:19:32):
Yes, you felt protected like this this is a safe
situation right now, this I've got this in hand. No,
you couldn't make Jack drive that car anywhere? Could you
In fact, if he tried to drive the car forward,
there were people blocking the way.

Speaker 18 (01:19:45):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:19:45):
If you tried to back up, there was somebody bouncing
on the rear bumper. Right. Had you ever been in
that situation before? Have you ever attacked a vehicle yourself?

Speaker 16 (01:19:57):
M hmm?

Speaker 14 (01:20:01):
And people in the car their demeanor led you to
believe that they were scared as well, did it not?

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:20:09):
Everybody in that car was terrified at that moment, were
they not?

Speaker 17 (01:20:12):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:20:13):
And you told us here today that mister Valley was
screaming at people. Fuck you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:20:21):
You never said that to the cops before, did you?
Yeve I did when you talk to him on December sixth,
That's what you told him, beyeve I did. And you
told us you thought that that lasted for fifteen seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:20:37):
Did it feel like it only lasted fifteen seconds when
it was going on?

Speaker 10 (01:20:41):
Objection asked the answer, Oh, felt felt longer just because
of the chaos, you know, because of what's going on.
So if you're looking for a number of it, I
would say, yeah, I probably felt twenty five seconds.

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
Twenty or twenty five seconds was all if you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Phrase it in that certain way.

Speaker 14 (01:21:03):
Fair to say you didn't know while it was going on,
when or if it was going to come to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
An end, right, fair to say that.

Speaker 14 (01:21:10):
Yeah, so when it was happening, it felt like an eternity,
did it not? Action asked an answer, and he said,
mister Valley was saying drive right, say drive. Yeah, he
wanted to get out of there, right, and Jack somehow

(01:21:30):
pulls the car out and gets it down the street.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
At we started to almost driving people.

Speaker 14 (01:21:35):
The first spread out of the way. Yeah, it's all
an opening car. Spudzer goes down to the end of
the street, drives up and down, back and forth a
few times, right, throwing things out the windows up that
I remember. And we watched a video here sticks Exhibit
number forty four from in front of that house where

(01:21:59):
you said folks got out of the car. We didn't
see the car going back and forth up and down right,
that I know. But what we did see was some
people getting out of the vehicle, right, yes, And then
the vehicle pulls ahead and moves on. And you identified
those three people that got out of the vehicle as
Mackenzie Trafficante correct, yes, yourself, yes, and mister Valley right.

(01:22:26):
And then you didn't remember what we saw on the video,
and you would agree that the vehicle was chased by
kids coming from the Shelton party.

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:22:37):
You didn't remember this. You told us what you saw
on the video that those people were throwing things at
the vehicle, correct right, and you heard people screaming things
at the vehicle correct correct, and you saw those people
running at What you've told us now is yourself and
mister Valley correct right. And then you saw in that

(01:22:58):
video the vehicle holds ahead and leaves you there with
those kids from Chelton High right right? And where did
the vehicle go when it pulled off and left you there?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:23:10):
You had no idea where that vehicle went.

Speaker 12 (01:23:12):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:23:13):
Do you remember being scared at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
I do not remember being scared at that point.

Speaker 14 (01:23:19):
You do remember the Mackenzie was screaming, let me out right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I do.

Speaker 14 (01:23:27):
And at some point after leaving you there, you say,
mister Snyder came back and parked the vehicle right, yes,
And at that point everybody else in the car got
out right, yes, And did some folks go over and
sit away from the vehicle?

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
And who was that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Really?

Speaker 12 (01:23:50):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:23:50):
But the shures Mackenzie traff Dmitri and Keenan will I
think everyone else kind of sat down.

Speaker 14 (01:24:02):
And that left just the three of you, mister Snyder,
mister Valley, and yourself around the vehicle. Yes, or any
of the Shelton High kids there at that point, Not
that I recall. Do you know an Enrico Fiola?

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I do.

Speaker 14 (01:24:16):
And you recall mister Fiola coming down and talking to
you while you're at the car, right, I actually don't.
And you recall Tyler rich coming down and talking to
you while you're at the car, right. No, you don't
recall any of those Shelton High kids coming down while
the three of you were at the car inspecting it
for damage, right, Not because it never happened, right, objections.

(01:24:42):
And so you're inspecting the car, you said, and you
see that it's damaged, right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:24:47):
So now you're looking at the vehicle and seeing what
happened to it while moments before you were trapped inside
that car, right right, And you can see that the
windshield has in fact been smashed.

Speaker 12 (01:24:58):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:24:58):
He told us there was damage to the car all
over it, right, And your thought was, this is a
lot of damage. This is gonna cost a lot of
money for Jack Snyder, right, because it was Jack Snyder's car, right,
not your car, not mister Valley's car.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Nope, But you.

Speaker 14 (01:25:18):
Said that mister Valley was the angriest of.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Anybody, seemed like it to his demeanor and his words.

Speaker 14 (01:25:26):
And he was angrier than Jack Snyder about the car.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
I mean Jack was angry.

Speaker 10 (01:25:32):
I was angry, but it was like almost like he
was more angry at least more vocal about it in us.

Speaker 14 (01:25:39):
You didn't see a weapon at that point. I'm not
no knife anywhere. Did you see, though, mister Valley when
he went scrambling through the glove box looking for the knife. Well,
then you saw him when he went scrambling through the
console right to get the knife out, and you heard
him say, Jack, where's knife? Give me the knife?

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Say Jack, give me the knife, just like that, Yes,
like you just said it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Ah, the way you said it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
I don't really recall, because.

Speaker 14 (01:26:10):
You told us you weren't there right beside him, right,
you were going around the car or something like that, right,
but you overheard what you think was him saying where's
the knife? Right, And you got back in the car
and got into the back passenger seat. Yes, and mister

(01:26:30):
Valley got into the front of the car, right, And
you told us before that you've known mister Valley from
growing up in Milford, right, right. How old were you
when you first met mister Valley.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
I don't remember the age of Jean, but it was
about third grade football.

Speaker 14 (01:26:46):
Third grade football. You guys have been close ever since, right.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
We got close around fifth grade.

Speaker 14 (01:26:54):
A year and a half later, you got close with
mister Valley. And since fifth grade you'd been fast friends,
right right, hung out almost every weekend, right, slept at
his house many times. He'd slept at your house many cabs.
He felt like he had your back.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
Injections as to what you felt, the defendant thought.

Speaker 14 (01:27:16):
And you told mister Snyder, take me back there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I know these kids right right?

Speaker 14 (01:27:24):
Were you still angry at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
I was upset for Jack's car, but he, being angry,
didn't do anything, okay.

Speaker 14 (01:27:36):
And you said, take me back. I want to make peace.
I know these kids should.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Take me back.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
Yes, let me talk to Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Rich Are we going to take the morning break?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I just looked it's a good place.

Speaker 15 (01:27:52):
So at this point, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
I'm going to go ahead, and so what's fund is
the love of twenty five will be bances for three
minute about thank.

Speaker 12 (01:28:02):
You that all right?

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
Three says.

Speaker 20 (01:29:03):
Don't don't don't, don't do tut don't uh, don't hung out.

Speaker 21 (01:31:46):
Of hut.

Speaker 11 (01:33:07):
To to to to to toss as.

Speaker 13 (01:37:33):
A little bit, thank you so much. It's a pleased
to belate.

Speaker 14 (01:37:43):
Churn of our jers defense stipulation.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
You may continueus.

Speaker 14 (01:37:49):
You were when we left for the breaks. You were
telling us about getting back into the vehicle to go
back to forty three lower one drive that right.

Speaker 7 (01:38:01):
And.

Speaker 14 (01:38:04):
You told us that you had been looking at the
damage and you knew that it was going to be
very expensive for Jack Snyder.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
Right, I assumed, yes, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
And you said that.

Speaker 14 (01:38:17):
Mister Valley said, fuck these kids, you're gonna let them,
do you like that? And that he was more angry
than anyone else, correct.

Speaker 7 (01:38:30):
And that.

Speaker 14 (01:38:33):
Because you knew Tyler Rich and the Riches through your
cousin and lots of other Shelton High kids, right right,
that you thought it would be a good idea to
go back down there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
And talk to them, right, the little liquid courage, A
little liquid courage. I thought it would be a good idea.

Speaker 14 (01:38:52):
A little liquid courage. You thought it would be a
good idea. Well, you told us, I didn't think I
had a problem with them. Right then, You've been involved
in the fight at five Lazy Brook earlier that night.
You'd just pulled up and been swarmed by thirty to
forty kids right right, pounding on the car, right, smashed

(01:39:15):
the windshield, right chased you, as you saw in that video,
down towards the end of the road, even after you'd left, right,
you thought you didn't have a problem with them.

Speaker 10 (01:39:27):
I just thought they would they want to just jump me,
like I thought I would be able to talk to
that wretch.

Speaker 12 (01:39:32):
Okay, And.

Speaker 14 (01:39:39):
If you were going to be if you were in
a troubling or unsafe situation, you would expect mister Snyder
to help you, right, that would be your expectation.

Speaker 15 (01:39:52):
It's an expectation all out, I would expect.

Speaker 14 (01:39:57):
Yes, if you were in a dangerous situation, you would
expect mister Valley to help you.

Speaker 18 (01:40:02):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:40:03):
Yes, it didn't surprise you when mister Valley got into
the car.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
With you, did it?

Speaker 7 (01:40:08):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:40:08):
Fully?

Speaker 12 (01:40:09):
No, not at all?

Speaker 14 (01:40:10):
Right, it didn't surprise you at all that somebody you'd
known since fifth grade spent nights at their homes with
saw every weekend. Got into the vehicle when you were
heading back to forty three Laurel Glenn Drive. It did
not surprise you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
Did it, sir? It did not surprise me.

Speaker 14 (01:40:24):
No, it didn't surprise you at all. You didn't say, whoa,
mister Valley, you seem angrier than anybody else here. Don't
get in this car with me?

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Did You did not say that?

Speaker 14 (01:40:35):
And you weren't but scared that if you went back there,
these thirty to forty people might swarm you again.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Like I said, I knowing Tyler Rich and knowing the
Showing kids, No, I wasn't.

Speaker 14 (01:40:51):
Well, Tyler Rich and the Shelton kids were the same
ones that had just swarmed you only minutes before. Right, Yes, okay,
So now for some reason you thought that they wouldn't
do that again.

Speaker 10 (01:41:01):
Well, I thought, because, I mean, that's all of us
in a car, me coming up alone trying to talk
to them would be a different situation.

Speaker 14 (01:41:08):
Well, again, you weren't expecting to go back there alone.
You got into the car, so you knew that mister
Snyder was going to be in there with you, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Mister Schneider, I knew.

Speaker 10 (01:41:20):
I knew Schneider, I knew Valley was going to be
in the car, but I knew myself was going to
get out.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
I did not know Youdo was going to get out.

Speaker 14 (01:41:32):
You didn't expect, if you were going to get out
and go face thirty or forty people that had just
swarmed you, that mister Valley would get out of the
car to be.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
There with you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
I did not expect that.

Speaker 14 (01:41:49):
But you told us you would expect him to help
you if you were in a dangerous situation.

Speaker 7 (01:41:57):
Why didn't you just walk back to the house.

Speaker 6 (01:42:03):
Ask Shack to drive me.

Speaker 14 (01:42:05):
I understand what you did. I asked, why didn't you just.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Walk back to the house.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
I don't have a clear answer for that.

Speaker 14 (01:42:11):
We just told us that you were expecting to go
up there and talk to him by yourself. Yeah, but
you got into the car. You did that, mister Valley
and mister Snyder were already in according to you, correct,
And you told mister Snyder take me back there. When
you got back to the house, or at some point

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before you got back to the house. You say you
heard mister Valley say Jack give me the knife. Correct,
But you didn't see him give him the knife.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
They're not.

Speaker 14 (01:42:48):
And you didn't see the knife anytime thereafter. You didn't
see mister Valley with the knife in his hand opening
the blade. You didn't see mister Valley take the blade
and flash it out the window. You didn't see mister
Valley do anything with the knife at any time?

Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 14 (01:43:05):
And you get out of the car once you got
back there, right, and you start walking into the yard.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:43:13):
It's your recollection that there was nobody in the yard
when you pulled up. Yes, And you got out and
you walked straight up into the yard right, correct? He said,
right in front of the mailbox.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
Yes, I walked as like a straight shoot.

Speaker 14 (01:43:26):
Up and you were just a little past the grass
and onto the driveway. Where were you heading?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I'm having to talk to someone.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
I was greeted you.

Speaker 14 (01:43:37):
Were going to go knock on the front door.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:43:41):
Were you buy the cars that were parked in the driveway,
not that I could recall. Do you remember any vehicles
being along the sides.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Of the road, Not that I can recall.

Speaker 14 (01:43:53):
And then at some point you realized that mister Valley
was also out of the car with you, right, You
turned to him and said miss Valley, He'll get back
in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
No, I actually did not say that.

Speaker 14 (01:44:05):
Well, you didn't say what what are you doing? Get
out of here? You're going to cause a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
I said, what are you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:44:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
You did?

Speaker 14 (01:44:10):
You said what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:44:14):
Did you tell that to the cops when he spoke
to them?

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Did What was his reaction?

Speaker 14 (01:44:19):
You said what are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
You just didn't say anything back.

Speaker 14 (01:44:22):
They didn't pull the knife out and said, well, I'm
here to kill somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
Object.

Speaker 14 (01:44:27):
Basically, you didn't turn around and get back in the
car because now your plan that you told us about
had changed, because now it wasn't just you out of
the car. Correct, Why didn't you just go get back
in the car at that point your plan had.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Changed In the moment, I didn't think of it. Kept walking,
Tyler Rich.

Speaker 14 (01:44:49):
Because it didn't surprise you that mister Valley was out
of the car.

Speaker 10 (01:44:52):
With you when you were going to do this, right,
I did, But I didn't think anything too heavy about it.

Speaker 14 (01:45:00):
You knew this was a dangerous situation that you were
walking into.

Speaker 10 (01:45:03):
Right at the time, the way I felt, I didn't
think it was going to be dangerous just because I
thought it was just me walking up talking to kids
that I know and they know me and my family.

Speaker 14 (01:45:19):
You thought those thirty or forty kids that had surrounded
the vehicle and knew you and your family and were
jumping on it and smashed the windshield were now going
to be happy to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
I wouldn't say happy kids.

Speaker 14 (01:45:31):
Your expectation was that you would be greeted peacefully. Yeah,
you knew some of the kids there at that party, correct?

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
How many I don't know?

Speaker 14 (01:45:49):
And by your own account, mister Valley didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
Any of those kids, right my knowledge now.

Speaker 14 (01:45:58):
And you said seeing him coming up was not smart?

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (01:46:05):
But you walking up that was smart my head, Yes
it was. And you described mister Valley as being upset
and angry at that point, I did, correct, And that
was based on his face.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
It was based on before we went down, his words
on the car.

Speaker 14 (01:46:28):
Okay, So when you got out of the car and
he was following you up, how close to you was he.

Speaker 10 (01:46:36):
Seven to eight feet to my right, to your right
and behind you, I would say a little bit behind
you were leading the way I was, but he was
sixty seven feet to the rights and maybe a little
bit by.

Speaker 14 (01:46:52):
And watching your back, you'd say that at that point
he wasn't doing anything like squaring up with anybody. No,
he wasn't flashing a knife at anybody, nope, didn't have
his hands in his pockets, nope, didn't have his shirt
pulled up over his head. And you heard somebody yell

(01:47:16):
their back, correct, And you told us you thought you
were going to go talk to Tyler Rich about the
damages to mister Snyder's car.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Basically, yeah, about the whole situation.

Speaker 14 (01:47:27):
And you thought mister Rich was going to want to
talk about the damages.

Speaker 6 (01:47:32):
To the vehicle. Oh you would, hear me out?

Speaker 14 (01:47:37):
You expected him to want to have a conversation about
the damages to cars?

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
What do you expect? Speculation?

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
You know, it's what he expected, his reason for going
all loud out, say the question again.

Speaker 14 (01:47:51):
Sure, you expected mister Rich was going to want to
talk to you about the damages to the vehicle. I
did at the time, and after you heard their back,
told us you were confronted by a large individual that
was screaming at you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:04):
Right, right?

Speaker 14 (01:48:05):
Was that Tyler Rich?

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:48:07):
Did you know who it was?

Speaker 14 (01:48:08):
And he was not alone though it wasn't No. Shortly thereafter,
the thirty to forty people swarmed out again. Right, It
looked like the whole house was pouring out from that backside,
right right. You were scared at that point, weren't you.
It was not because of anything mister Valley was doing
at that point, was it?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (01:48:27):
Because of what you had just walked into? Fair to
say at that point, were you terrified?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:48:37):
You didn't know if any of those people had weapons,
did you?

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
I did not.

Speaker 14 (01:48:40):
You saw somebody throw things at you while you were
down there at the end of thirty forty Easy for
me to say, thirty six Laurel.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
Glen drive, right, I remember that.

Speaker 14 (01:48:51):
You don't remember that, but you saw it on the video.

Speaker 12 (01:48:53):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:48:55):
Any objection promotion, I'm going to INSTRUCTI situators the witness
his answer and when there's an objection pending as please
cause thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:49:09):
Did you ever see mister Balley get sprayed in the
face with WD forty or PB blaster At the point
when the large individual is screaming at you, thirty to
forty people come out and they start to surround you
and mister Valley. Correct, you notice people on all sides
of you right right in fact, how many people were

(01:49:33):
in front of you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
On the exact head count, but I would say around then,
And were.

Speaker 14 (01:49:44):
Those ten all just in front of you talking peacefully?

Speaker 6 (01:49:48):
Do was talking peacefully?

Speaker 14 (01:49:50):
And they weren't just in front of you, right, they
were surrounding you, right, cutting off your exit.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Old you could say that.

Speaker 14 (01:50:02):
You felt like you were being enclosed, say that didn't
have a car around you? Now did you?

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Are you not?

Speaker 14 (01:50:10):
Did you think you were going to get beaten up?

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:50:16):
Did it cross your mind that you might die?

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:50:20):
How badly do you think you might get beaten up?

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
I'm sorry to hear the question.

Speaker 14 (01:50:24):
How badly did you think you might get beaten up?

Speaker 11 (01:50:26):
Object?

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
That culture regulated?

Speaker 15 (01:50:29):
Oh now it's what he was thinking.

Speaker 10 (01:50:33):
I mean, when shit hits a fan like that so quickly,
it was only in a certain amount of time to think.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Ah, I could say, yeah, I was, I was looking.
I was like, I'm going to get my ass beat.

Speaker 14 (01:50:48):
You didn't know if you're going to live through that, right, object?
And pretty soon you had confirmation that your idea that
Tyler Rich might want to peacefully talk with you was wrong. Right, Yes, correct,
Tyler Rich was screaming to you, get the fuck off
my property or I will fuck you up.

Speaker 6 (01:51:10):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:51:10):
He had nine other people that you could see supporting him, right. Correct,
And you turned around and you ran back to the car.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
Right now?

Speaker 12 (01:51:20):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (01:51:22):
Just wasn't how it's gonna work.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
There's people behind me, people in front of me. There
was chaotic. Are you screaming that.

Speaker 10 (01:51:29):
I'm screaming at him to just let me talk to
him and then I'll move. Happened so fast before you
knew it. It'll get punched to the right of me.
I get hit from the back of my head.

Speaker 14 (01:51:40):
You were screaming at him, just let me talk to you.
On those lines, you were pleading with him, Just let
me talk to you. Just let me talk to you.

Speaker 6 (01:51:48):
Along those lines.

Speaker 14 (01:51:49):
Our families know each other. I know you cousins.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Along those lines.

Speaker 14 (01:51:53):
You're trying to talk your way out of that situation.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Right along those lines.

Speaker 14 (01:51:58):
Yeah, to use your words to save your life.

Speaker 6 (01:52:01):
Objection. As to the characterizations, did.

Speaker 14 (01:52:07):
You think you might die at that point? What was
your state of mind at that point? Slide or fight
to save your life?

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
Objection asked the answers.

Speaker 14 (01:52:17):
Stand sorry, At any point, did it cross your mind
that your life was in danger?

Speaker 6 (01:52:26):
Objection asked an answer. You know what I mean.

Speaker 14 (01:52:30):
We approached it, and you told us things were happening
so fast, right, you're pleading with mister rich did not
in any way calm the situation right close, and then
mister Valley got punched in the face.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
Right, correct, Chaos ensues.

Speaker 14 (01:52:52):
Correct, You're down on the ground, face first in the dirt, right,
That's what I remembered getting punched and kicked by you
don't know who at that point, did you think you
might die?

Speaker 6 (01:53:06):
Answer?

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
I don't know, To be honest, you.

Speaker 14 (01:53:10):
Didn't know if you're going to live.

Speaker 6 (01:53:12):
Jack has the answer.

Speaker 10 (01:53:15):
I just didn't know what was gonna happen. I was
going to get out of that or I was gonna
get knocked out, and god.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Knows what else.

Speaker 14 (01:53:23):
God knows what else you didn't right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Now?

Speaker 14 (01:53:29):
Had you ever been in a situation like that before?

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
Never?

Speaker 14 (01:53:31):
Never, in your seventeen years to that point, Never before
mister Valley got punched. How far away from you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Was he.

Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
Six seven feet eight feet.

Speaker 14 (01:53:46):
Close enough that you could reach out and touch him.
Were you worried about what was going to happen to
mister Valley?

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Oh bet?

Speaker 14 (01:53:53):
How many people were facing mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
I don't know the head count, but probably another ten least.

Speaker 14 (01:54:01):
Yeah, surrounding him as well. Right, you didn't see mister
Valley take a swing in anybody.

Speaker 10 (01:54:09):
I did not, because when I saw him get punched,
or I knew I got punched in the back of
my head.

Speaker 14 (01:54:15):
You saw him punched? Crowd swarmed him, did they not? I? Yeah,
he went down to the ground that I saw because
you were down on the ground facing the dirt, right,
couldn't tell who was punching you. You got punched in

(01:54:37):
the back of your head?

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (01:54:39):
How many times?

Speaker 6 (01:54:42):
I have no idea.

Speaker 14 (01:54:43):
Did you lose consciousness?

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:54:46):
He told us that you were familiar with mister McGrath
because you grew up plainly cross with him.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (01:54:52):
But you didn't see him there that night, did enough.
You weren't watching to see what he was doing that evening?

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
Is at to say it's fair?

Speaker 14 (01:55:03):
You did see him in the video that was played
for You did see him, he told us. After you
felt it was so chaotic and you were getting kicked
and punched on all different sides. You remember that, right?
You told us you thought maybe that went on pretend
to fifteen seconds. Yeah, that's what you're thinking now right

(01:55:27):
right at the time, didn't feel like that, did it?
Prow went up, felt like an eternity right, could say
that you didn't know if that was gonna end at all?

Speaker 6 (01:55:36):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:55:41):
You didn't hear, Okay, just a few more and then
we're gonna let you up.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
No, I did not.

Speaker 14 (01:55:47):
You couldn't see, mister Valley not.

Speaker 6 (01:55:52):
He told us.

Speaker 14 (01:55:53):
You remember being on the ground and then getting shoved
into the street.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Right, almost like people backed off of me.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
I stumbled into the street.

Speaker 14 (01:56:01):
Yes, people backed off of you.

Speaker 10 (01:56:03):
I like it, like I released because before it was
like I couldn't even get up if I wanted to.

Speaker 14 (01:56:09):
Did you watch that video and see yourself getting shoved
into the street by Jacob Villa Lobos?

Speaker 6 (01:56:13):
Did see that? Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:56:14):
It didn't look like he was just letting.

Speaker 7 (01:56:16):
You up, did it?

Speaker 12 (01:56:18):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:56:23):
Did you know Jacob Villa Lobos Shelton hy Did they
ever play Saint Jose in football?

Speaker 6 (01:56:29):
They did not?

Speaker 14 (01:56:32):
Did you know that any of these kids were members
of the Shelton Hye football team? And then you said
you turned around as just a big wall of kids, correct?
Could you see, mister Valley at that point a wall
was walking you from seeing mister Valley say that, Yeah,
and you turned around and you you were screaming at them.

Speaker 6 (01:56:53):
You said, yes.

Speaker 14 (01:56:56):
Did you see yourself screaming at them in that video
that after you got shoved into the street, yes, mm hmm.
He said, you looked to your left and you saw
Jack Snyder's car pulling away.

Speaker 7 (01:57:11):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:57:12):
Were you scared at that point? I thought you were
going to be left there with those kids right right?
And you were terrified that you were being abandoned by
mister Snyder. Right, And ultimately said you ran to the
car and got into the car.

Speaker 6 (01:57:30):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (01:57:31):
You said mister Valley was already in the car before you.
Did you see him run past you?

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
They're not.

Speaker 14 (01:57:42):
Which side did you get in?

Speaker 6 (01:57:45):
I remember?

Speaker 14 (01:57:46):
Is I got in the left back side behind the driver. Yes,
and mister Snyder was still driving the car when you
got in it. You didn't see mister Valley with a
knife at that point? I did not, you said, mister
Valley takes off, he makes a left turn, slams on

(01:58:09):
the brakes, and you almost hit your head, correct on
the glove box or the dash in front of you, uh,
the seat in front of you?

Speaker 12 (01:58:17):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:58:17):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:58:17):
Because you're in the You're no longer in the front
passenger side, now you're behind it. And that you looked
up after that quick stop and you saw mister Valley
getting back into the car. How long did that take?

Speaker 19 (01:58:34):
I won two seconds with the windows up or down
in the car, I have no idea, but you remember
mister Valley saying, go go go correct, you go past
the house, back to where everybody had been left, right,
And that's when you saw mister Valley get out of
the vehicle.

Speaker 10 (01:58:53):
Yes, he uh, just stops up, stops the vehicle and
turned back around to me and Jack said, love you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
I'm going home with McKenzie.

Speaker 14 (01:59:04):
And at that point you did get out of the
car and got to the front passengers got back at
his seat. Yes, then there must have been a sense
of relief on your part. Really, no, because you still
didn't know where you were right, it was dark outside.
You just had this terrifying experience. Er you told us

(01:59:26):
that you were injured. Art you were in pain.

Speaker 10 (01:59:32):
I want to say too much, just because of how
much adrenaline I was running through my body.

Speaker 14 (01:59:38):
And a car takes off and drives and you got
to a dead end it's correct. And at that point, again,
you didn't know where you were, right, Were you worried
that these kids might come and find you?

Speaker 6 (01:59:54):
Not that I remember.

Speaker 14 (02:00:00):
Yeah, your reaction at that point was where are we?
You said, right?

Speaker 4 (02:00:04):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (02:00:06):
So you were scared about being lost in a place
that you had.

Speaker 4 (02:00:08):
No idea of where to get out all that chaos?

Speaker 14 (02:00:11):
Yes, why didn't you just get out of the car
at that point and say, Jack, I'm done with this?

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
Why you want me to just sit there in the
road by myself?

Speaker 14 (02:00:22):
What might happen if you did? And you were yelling
at Jack from the moment you got into that car
about why did he abandon you?

Speaker 18 (02:00:39):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:00:41):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (02:00:43):
You weren't expecting to go down to that house alone.
You didn't want him to abandon you there, right, Assistant,
You said you were angry and mad, correct, yes, at
that point correct, Yeah, as mad as you claim mister
Valley had been before he got into that vehicle.

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
That I didn't say, so not that mad.

Speaker 14 (02:01:09):
You were calm, cool and collected, well, just not as
mad as mister Valley.

Speaker 6 (02:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:01:18):
And along the way you decided to call your cousin
Owen right, correct. And you say at that point you
learned that this was more serious than you thought it
had been.

Speaker 12 (02:01:30):
Right.

Speaker 14 (02:01:34):
You still wanted payback, though, right right? So you were angry, right,
just not as angry as you claim mister Valley was.
So when you want payback, you're only kind of angry,
as sustained. At that point, you told Jack Snyder to
go home, right, We'll got back to my house, yes,

(02:01:56):
and you ate and you went to your room right right,
and you claimed that You called mister Valley and you
confronted him, and you asked him, did you stab these kids?

Speaker 4 (02:02:12):
Right?

Speaker 14 (02:02:13):
And all he said to you was I fucked up, bro, Sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
I fucked up. Sorry, and then he hung up. Were
you a member?

Speaker 17 (02:02:22):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:02:23):
Did he say it like that? Just I fucked up, bro?

Speaker 4 (02:02:25):
Sorry my memory? I mean I fucked up, bro, Sorry,
it was more.

Speaker 6 (02:02:33):
Meaningful.

Speaker 4 (02:02:34):
Sorry, it wasn't like a no emotion.

Speaker 6 (02:02:37):
Sorry.

Speaker 14 (02:02:38):
So he didn't say, yeah, that's right, I stabbed those
four kids.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Didn't say that.

Speaker 14 (02:02:44):
And then you called the cops.

Speaker 12 (02:02:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
Eventually, later that night, after I found out through a.

Speaker 10 (02:02:50):
Brother who called me, when I learned the severity of
how someone had passed away, I woke up.

Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
My parents, call the cops.

Speaker 14 (02:02:58):
You called the cops.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
The cops called my attorney.

Speaker 6 (02:03:02):
Call who my attorney?

Speaker 14 (02:03:05):
Why didn't you call the cops?

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
The advice of people around me, You were scared to
call the cops since.

Speaker 10 (02:03:16):
I knew, knowing me and I was evolved. The advice
of people around me told me to contact.

Speaker 14 (02:03:27):
You weren't going to talk to the cops until you
got them to agree not to prosecute you.

Speaker 6 (02:03:32):
Right, I'm objected.

Speaker 14 (02:03:39):
You didn't call. You didn't talk to the cops until
December sixth of twenty twenty two. Correct, almost seven months
after this went down. Correct, after you've gotten your immunity agreement. Correct,
not once before. In fact, you didn't call the cops.

(02:04:03):
You went to Vermont, right, it sparked, and then on
the way home, you were feeling ill, right, it's the
way up. On the way up, and you were feeling ill,
very from the injuries that you had gotten during the fight.
And you went in and you saw some medical treatment,

(02:04:28):
and you told us that you had a concussion, multiple contusions,
and bruises all over your body.

Speaker 12 (02:04:34):
Right right.

Speaker 14 (02:04:35):
The doctor looked at you and said what is going
on here? And you said, oh, I got into a fight,
right all right? And that doctor told you, John, I
testified to.

Speaker 23 (02:04:49):
This on direct what if you if you want to
explore the actual statement, you can explore the actual student's
straight up mischaracterized.

Speaker 14 (02:05:00):
That was me. You told us the doctor told you
this is no basic fight.

Speaker 4 (02:05:07):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (02:05:10):
From roughly May fifteenth until well on roughly May fifteenth,
you learned that somebody had died in this fight that
you've been involved with. Correct, And you waited seven months
before you talk about it.

Speaker 6 (02:05:31):
No advice of my attorney. Yes, because you were worried you.

Speaker 14 (02:05:34):
Might get arrested and prosecuted for this.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 14 (02:05:38):
And your expectation is that by coming in here and
testifying to us today. But you're not going to get
prosecuted for anything, right.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (02:05:48):
Have you talked with Jack Snyder since this happened?

Speaker 6 (02:05:53):
Yeah, my friend.

Speaker 14 (02:05:55):
You and Jack remain friends, right, correct? In fact, you've
talked about this very incident together.

Speaker 18 (02:06:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:06:01):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:06:03):
Have you ever gone back to the scene, No, prior
to coming in here and testifying today. How many times
have you watched those videos that you watched with us today?

Speaker 12 (02:06:17):
Two?

Speaker 6 (02:06:18):
Two times, two to three times?

Speaker 20 (02:06:21):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (02:06:22):
I want to say.

Speaker 14 (02:06:22):
Yeah, how many times have you reviewed the police reports?
Of your statements.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
You saying the interview video.

Speaker 14 (02:06:30):
Well, okay, tell me about that. You've watched your own
interview video. How many times you watch that?

Speaker 6 (02:06:37):
Three times?

Speaker 14 (02:06:38):
Three times? Three times? You watched a video of yourself
giving a statement on me on December sixth. Why'd you
have to watch it three times?

Speaker 10 (02:06:51):
Because we're three years now from that moment, and I
still live my life, do my things, and I've been
trying to put this in the past.

Speaker 4 (02:07:00):
So I have to watch that video. I remember what
my statement was, but you don't.

Speaker 14 (02:07:06):
Want to come in and deviate from that at all.

Speaker 10 (02:07:09):
I'm saying, I have to watch it. I remember stuff,
but I might forget a little a couple of stuffs.
I just have to, you know, rememberize my memory of now.
People don't always remember things three years later.

Speaker 14 (02:07:27):
Hard to tell the same story twice.

Speaker 4 (02:07:30):
I want to say that, not if.

Speaker 14 (02:07:31):
You watch a video of yourself doing it three times.

Speaker 10 (02:07:34):
It's always not going to be perfect, but everything will
be around the same as long as you're telling the truth.

Speaker 14 (02:07:42):
When was the last time you watched that video?

Speaker 4 (02:07:44):
Today is Friday? Today is Friday's Tuesday.

Speaker 14 (02:07:52):
Three days ago, you watch the video of yourself giving
your statement from beginning to end?

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Did you pause it?

Speaker 14 (02:08:00):
Yes, go back over it a few times in certain spots.
I really didn't want to deviate from the digital I
just really.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
Wanted to watch and revent my memory.

Speaker 14 (02:08:13):
Well, that original statement was what you were called at
the time three years ago, right, right, And so now
you've watched it three times as recently as Tuesday in
order to come in today and testify under this immunity agreement.
Oh Jack, nothing cord, Thank you, individual.

Speaker 7 (02:08:41):
Tyler, Jack Tyler. Council just asked you about the moments
at the end of the fight when you get pushed
out into the road, and I think you said during
your testimony was about six five six seven seconds at
that time.

Speaker 10 (02:09:01):
What are you doing at that moment when you're pushed
out into the growing I'm looking back at a big
crowd of people and chaos screaming towards my way.

Speaker 6 (02:09:09):
Are they advancing towards you? Are you advancing towards them?

Speaker 7 (02:09:13):
Is the fight over at that point?

Speaker 6 (02:09:15):
Asked?

Speaker 1 (02:09:16):
An answer sustained.

Speaker 7 (02:09:21):
Do your call whether or not the fight was over them?

Speaker 4 (02:09:23):
Yeah, the fight was over.

Speaker 6 (02:09:25):
And the council asked you a little bit about.

Speaker 9 (02:09:30):
At some point the state's acrede in sixty nine towards
the end of that video, fair enough to say, this
is what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (02:09:42):
Of course, shortly after in the end of this video,
a few seconds go by and you look to your left.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
The car is moving, and the car.

Speaker 7 (02:09:52):
Is moving right right.

Speaker 8 (02:09:53):
So when you get in the car shortly after this
video ends, when you get in the car, council indicated
you got in the back, uh driver's side. Who's in
the car when you get back in the car and
Jack Snyder, So the defendant was already in the car
when you go back in the car.

Speaker 15 (02:10:13):
No further questions anything on that limited cross to redirect.

Speaker 14 (02:10:20):
You just told the state's attorney that at that point
the fight was over, right, all right, because that big
crowd of people said fight's over In that picture, sir,
what are you doing with your with your hands holding
up like that, hitching up your pants? Right, hitching up

(02:10:43):
your pants because you're not sure what's going to happen
with that crowd of people, right.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
That culture speculation, you could say that.

Speaker 14 (02:10:51):
Your expectation at that point was these folks might still
be coming at me, right. You couldn't see mister Valley
at that point because the people were still surrounding mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (02:11:01):
Right, I've seen not that you saw.

Speaker 14 (02:11:04):
Did those people just disappear?

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
No, they were there, but I didn't see any fighting
going on.

Speaker 14 (02:11:12):
But you're hitching up because you don't know what's going
to happen. Right, But the fight was over.

Speaker 6 (02:11:20):
My opinion, yes it was.

Speaker 14 (02:11:22):
Did you feel safe right there.

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
After what just happened?

Speaker 7 (02:11:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:11:28):
Thank you, nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
Brilliant, stupid. Here to cancer, Chopol, to the family.

Speaker 15 (02:11:37):
Finally we made standing.

Speaker 5 (02:11:43):
Did your honor raise your hand? You saw me, saw
me and sincerely affirmed as the case. Maybe at the
evidence you shall give concerning this case shall be the truth.

Speaker 7 (02:11:51):
The whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 6 (02:11:52):
So help you God upound penalty of perjury. If so,
please say I do.

Speaker 7 (02:11:57):
Thank you. Please state your full name, spelling your last
name and a dress for the record.

Speaker 17 (02:12:04):
Mackenzie, sorry, McKenzie, trafficante.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
I'm just your town, the town away, Mackenzie. How you
doing today? Oh? Okay, okay, So I'm gonna have you
see a couple deep broth. Okay, if you want a
drink of water, you can do that before we start.
It's really difficult to hear in this courtroom. So I'm
gonna have you just speak as loud as you can

(02:12:31):
keep your voice as much as okay, and that microphone
doesn't amplify slightly, so if you can be closer to
that would be great.

Speaker 12 (02:12:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:12:38):
So mackenzie, how are you feeling today?

Speaker 17 (02:12:43):
Just a little bit just being in the room. Obviously
little emotional, but I know it'll be okay, it's a.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Little bit nervous. Yes, if you need to stop at
any point to let us know. Okay. Again, I'm going
to direct your attention to May fourteenth of twenty twenty two.
Do you remember that day in a lot?

Speaker 17 (02:13:04):
That was an awful day. One of my good friend's
younger brothers died that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Day previous to today. Do you recall meeting with me McKenzie?

Speaker 17 (02:13:16):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
And why do we meet?

Speaker 17 (02:13:21):
We met to prep me for the trial as a witness.

Speaker 2 (02:13:27):
And are you prepared to testify today?

Speaker 16 (02:13:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
How old are you McKenzie?

Speaker 17 (02:13:35):
I'm twenty years old.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
And do you have a nickname? Do people call you
something other than McKenzie.

Speaker 17 (02:13:43):
Not really, mainly by my full name McKenzie.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
And do you go to school?

Speaker 17 (02:13:49):
Yes, I go to Fairfield University. And what year are you,
I'm a rising senior.

Speaker 2 (02:13:57):
And what is your major?

Speaker 17 (02:14:00):
Finance and accounting.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Your home for the summer. What are you doing for
the summertime working in your area, your field?

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:14:11):
And other than when you were in school. You indicated
that you live in Shelton. Yes, who do you live
in Shelton with?

Speaker 24 (02:14:17):
I live with my family, my four older sisters and
my mom and dad.

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
Did you attend Shelton schools growing up in Shelton? Yes,
all schools including high school. Did you attend a differ
high school than a Shelton High school?

Speaker 17 (02:14:32):
So up until high school? And then I attended Saint
Joseph High School and Trumbull.

Speaker 2 (02:14:38):
And you and icated Saint jose located in trumble, Connecticut. Yes,
And what year did you graduate.

Speaker 17 (02:14:43):
Saint jose twenty twenty two?

Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
Did you play any sports at Saint Jose or do
you any activities?

Speaker 24 (02:14:50):
I was a cheerleader and a lacrosse player.

Speaker 12 (02:14:53):
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (02:14:54):
Direct your attention to the year of twenty twenty two.
Were you a student at Saint Joseph High School at
that time?

Speaker 16 (02:15:00):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
And what year were you?

Speaker 17 (02:15:03):
I was a senior.

Speaker 2 (02:15:06):
In May of twenty twenty two. Were you dating anyone?

Speaker 12 (02:15:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
And who were you dating?

Speaker 17 (02:15:13):
Leedo Valley? Does Leto go by a different name, Raoul.

Speaker 2 (02:15:18):
But you would refer to him as Leto.

Speaker 4 (02:15:20):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
How long did you in Ledo?

Speaker 12 (02:15:24):
Date?

Speaker 24 (02:15:25):
Three months at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
And what year was Leedo in school when you were
dating him? Junior mackenzie, do you happen to see Leedo
here today in the corp Yes? If you can, please
just point him out and describe what he's wearing.

Speaker 17 (02:15:41):
He's wearing a black suit.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Hi At the recket reflector on the witnesses identifying.

Speaker 22 (02:15:47):
The defending, the court cordial the record to reflect that
the witness has identified mister Malley.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Because he was It really difficult for you to just
do that. Yes, this is the first time you've seen
Letos as the date of incident. Now, McKenzie, I'm going
to refer to Ledo as a defendant moving forward or
Leedo I'm gonna I'm going to be going back and forth,
just so you're aware, Okay, but I'm talking about the
same person. How did you end the defendant meet?

Speaker 17 (02:16:16):
We went to the same high school. I met him
that year, my senior year.

Speaker 2 (02:16:21):
And were you in the same friend group as Lido.

Speaker 17 (02:16:24):
He was a grade below me, but mutual friends. I
guess yeah, And I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
Going to direct your attention back to May of twenty
twenty two. What occurred on May thirteenth of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 24 (02:16:38):
I had my senior prom.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
And did you attend the prom?

Speaker 16 (02:16:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
And who did you go with?

Speaker 12 (02:16:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
And after the prom did you do anything with your friends?

Speaker 12 (02:16:51):
The night of the prom?

Speaker 17 (02:16:52):
There was a arcade thing that we went to. The
next day, a bunch of my friend went up to
a prom house which they rented a house in either
New York or not. I wanted to go, but my
parents didn't want me to go because they didn't think
it was safe, so they kept me home that next name.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
So it's fair to say you do not attend that
prom house and upstate New York with your friends. Yes,
you stayed in the area of Shelton. Yes, I'm going
to direct your attention to the next day, May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two. What if anything did you and
the defendant do during the daytime hours.

Speaker 17 (02:17:32):
We went to the beach.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
And approximately how long we were at the beach on
May fourteenth of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 17 (02:17:40):
Maybe a couple hours, A couple hours. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
At some point later on in that evening, did you
go back to the defendant's house?

Speaker 17 (02:17:50):
Yeah, briefly, And did you do something later on that
evening with the defendant? There was a party going on
at a friend of mine's house. Her name is Madigan Liver,
and I guess she was having a party, so we
planned to go there.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
And you indicator you were friends with Madigan Lifer?

Speaker 4 (02:18:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:18:12):
How are you friends with her?

Speaker 17 (02:18:15):
She grew up with me, She was from Shelton, We
went to school together. She went to my high school.
My dad coached her in lacrosse as well.

Speaker 2 (02:18:25):
Washam the lacrosse team as well. With you, yes, Now,
were you personally invited to the party at Madigan Lifer's house.

Speaker 17 (02:18:34):
I had just heard through other people so I and
I've been there a ton of times, so I knew
that I was welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
Do you know what kind of a party was the
occasion for the party?

Speaker 17 (02:18:46):
I think it was mainly juniors who attended the party,
because her brother was a junior, Austin Lafer.

Speaker 24 (02:18:55):
I think he invited his football friends, some girls in their.

Speaker 17 (02:18:58):
Grade, and I think Maddie also had a couple of
girls in her grade who came.

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
Now you see Maddie, is that Maddigan Lifer Mattie short
for Madigan, Yes, And to your knowledge, what was the
address of the house of Madigan Lifer?

Speaker 24 (02:19:11):
I know she lives on Lazy Brook. I don't know
what the actual number is.

Speaker 6 (02:19:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
Prior to leaving to go to the party, do you
recall the close the defendant put on before he left?

Speaker 17 (02:19:23):
I remember he was warm an ole miss T shirt.
It was blue, dark blue, light blue? Yeah, light blue?

Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
And how did you get to the party at Maddigan Likeer's.

Speaker 12 (02:19:36):
House that night?

Speaker 17 (02:19:41):
Jack Snader and Tyler de Silva picked us up and
drove us to the party.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
And when you say Jack Snyder and Tyler d Silva,
who came to think you out?

Speaker 6 (02:19:50):
Who drove.

Speaker 24 (02:19:52):
Jack Snader picked us up in his car and drove us.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
And cheer knowledge? What type of a car did Jack
Snyder drive? But what type of the car card he
picked you up in that night?

Speaker 17 (02:20:02):
I don't know the car type. It looked a little
bit bigger. It wasn't like a tiny vehicle.

Speaker 24 (02:20:07):
But I'm not sure what type of car, Kenzie.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
I'm showing you what's been admitted to Evans Stage thirty.
Is this like the vehicle the Ducks signer packed you
up in that night? You call? Yes, Now, McKenzie, when
you when Jack came to pick you up? Who else
was in the vehicle at that point?

Speaker 12 (02:20:30):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (02:20:30):
Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 2 (02:20:32):
And had you been in this Honda Pilot prior to
you getting into it that night?

Speaker 7 (02:20:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:20:40):
Now, are you familiar with either Jack Snyder or Tyler
de Silva?

Speaker 12 (02:20:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
And how are you familiar with them?

Speaker 17 (02:20:47):
They also went to my high school. They were on
the football team, and I was a cheerleader.

Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
So it is it fair to say you on occasion
hung out with them?

Speaker 24 (02:20:56):
On occasion? They were in the grade below me. So
if there was maybe a comminded.

Speaker 17 (02:21:02):
Get together party that they would be at, that would
probably be the meantime I would see them.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
And to your knowledge, were the defendant, Tyler and Jack
friends with the Lifers?

Speaker 17 (02:21:13):
Yes, they were friends with the younger brother, Austin, who
was on their football team.

Speaker 2 (02:21:20):
To your knowledge, do you know if Jack, Tyler and
the defendant were invited to the Lifer's party?

Speaker 17 (02:21:25):
I believe so.

Speaker 6 (02:21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:27):
Prior to arriving at Lazybrook, Radigan Lifer's and Austin Lifer's house.
Did Jack drive anywhere else?

Speaker 24 (02:21:36):
I remember stopping to get alcohol somewhere.

Speaker 17 (02:21:40):
I didn't get out of the car, and it was dark,
so I'm not sure where we had stopped, but it
was brief.

Speaker 2 (02:21:46):
Now, when you say stopping somewhere, was that at a
liquor store? Were you able? Do you have a recollection
of it being a store?

Speaker 17 (02:21:52):
You can explain either a store, gas station maybe, And.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
You indicated you to not get out of the car.
Who got out of the car to get that alcohol?

Speaker 24 (02:22:04):
I don't remember who exactly that someone must have.

Speaker 2 (02:22:09):
And to your knowledge, what type of alcohol was purchased?

Speaker 12 (02:22:13):
Not sure?

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
Do you recall seeing the alcohol when the person who
went to the store or the establishment to get it
came back out.

Speaker 17 (02:22:21):
I don't remember, like any specific type we're seeing it.
You know they got it, but I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (02:22:29):
So you don't recall the color of the alcohol either.

Speaker 12 (02:22:31):
Then?

Speaker 2 (02:22:32):
Yeah, Now, after getting the alcohol, where did Jack drive to?

Speaker 17 (02:22:38):
We drove to Lazybrook, the Lifer's house.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
Yes, And either on the way to the party or
even prior to the party getting to the party, had
you been drinking any alcohol?

Speaker 17 (02:22:49):
I don't.

Speaker 24 (02:22:51):
I might have had a sip or two in the car,
but not really.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
So if you had a sip or two in the car,
did you recall what you were drinking?

Speaker 12 (02:23:00):
No?

Speaker 24 (02:23:00):
Maybe a Seltzer or something around those lines.

Speaker 2 (02:23:05):
Do you recall seeing if anyone else in the vehicle
was drinking either you withdraw either the defendant or Jack
or Silva.

Speaker 17 (02:23:13):
No, I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (02:23:15):
And once she got to Lazybrook, where did you go?
How did you get into the house? How did you
get into the party?

Speaker 17 (02:23:21):
We went through the basement door. Madigan had had parties
in the past. I've been to her house a ton
of times, so normally we would just go through the
basement door, I mean sorry, the garage door, and then
we'd be in the basement.

Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
So the party was in the basement. Yes, And when
you got to the party, approximately how many people did
you see down in the basement?

Speaker 17 (02:23:44):
I would say forty that's a good number. I guess
forty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:23:51):
Did you recognize most of the individuals down in the basement?

Speaker 11 (02:23:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:23:55):
Would you say most, if not all, of them were
Sancho students?

Speaker 11 (02:23:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:23:58):
And when you got there, who did you hang out with?

Speaker 17 (02:24:03):
So, since there was a ton of underclassmen at the
party who I wasn't you know, super super friendly with everybody.

Speaker 24 (02:24:10):
I just knew them near their faces.

Speaker 17 (02:24:12):
There was one girl that I was hanging out with
majority of the party, who was a senior. She was
friends with Madigan.

Speaker 2 (02:24:18):
Do you recall her name?

Speaker 17 (02:24:19):
Sydney?

Speaker 2 (02:24:21):
And did you hang out with Leto at all.

Speaker 17 (02:24:24):
Throughout the party?

Speaker 24 (02:24:25):
I didn't see him at all, really.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
To your recollection? Do you know who the defendant was
hanging out with?

Speaker 17 (02:24:31):
I think majority of the party he was with some
of the football guys and some of his closer friends.

Speaker 2 (02:24:39):
And there are people drinking at the party, yes, Do
you recall what type of alcohol they were drinking?

Speaker 17 (02:24:45):
A mixture of probably a vodka.

Speaker 2 (02:24:47):
And maybe do you recall anyone playing games at the party?

Speaker 17 (02:24:54):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (02:24:55):
Now, you indicated that you had well with John. You
indicated in the car ride you might have had a
sipos some alcohol at the party. Did you drink anything?

Speaker 17 (02:25:05):
I had vodka at the party. I think someone had
provided me with I'm not sure who.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
And do you recall it was Was it a sip
of vodka? Was it a cup of vodka? Was it
vodka mixed with something? Else, And how many drinks would
you say you had.

Speaker 24 (02:25:20):
I probably took a couple shots that night. Nothing crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:25:25):
When you say nothing crazy, nothing to the point where
you felt intoxicated, where you couldn't stand, or you were vomiting,
or you couldn't recall.

Speaker 17 (02:25:32):
Yeah, none of that to your knowledge?

Speaker 2 (02:25:35):
Was Leado drinking at the party?

Speaker 16 (02:25:37):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (02:25:38):
And how do you know this?

Speaker 17 (02:25:41):
I just remember seeing many people at the party drinking.
I think he was one of them because he at.

Speaker 2 (02:25:48):
Some point to your knowledge, did individuals show up at
the party who were not Saint Joe studys.

Speaker 17 (02:25:55):
At the time, I wasn't aware of it. I think
after that incident had happened, it was running around the party.
There was like a rumor around the party that people
had shown up.

Speaker 2 (02:26:07):
So is it fair to say that you didn't see
these individuals? You were not aware who these individuals were,
and you didn't know what school they went to.

Speaker 17 (02:26:15):
No, I didn't see any of them.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
Did you learn at some point that something happened between
these individuals that came to the party that were either
uninvited and who weren't from Saint.

Speaker 17 (02:26:25):
Jose When I guess when they had left, we had
found out that someone had shown up because whoever was
outside in the garage at that time.

Speaker 24 (02:26:37):
So I was in the basement. People were in the garage.

Speaker 17 (02:26:40):
They had come back in and kind of announced to
the party that boys had shown up, and I think
that maybe there was some type of between them. I
wasn't sure what.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
So is it fair to say you stayed in the
basement for the majority of the party. Yes, you never
witnessed any fight that occurred between the defendant, Tyler de
Silva or Jackson with these individuals that came from a
different high school.

Speaker 17 (02:27:03):
Yeah, I didn't see any of that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
And at some point after you learned about this fight,
did you observe the defendant and his friends.

Speaker 17 (02:27:12):
I remember when some of the boys had rolled back
into the house. They just seemed kind of drunk, and
I just was I did see them, Yes, when they
had to come back in Canzie.

Speaker 2 (02:27:25):
I'm gonna show you what's been marked as States fifty three.
Do you recognize who is in States fifty three?

Speaker 17 (02:27:36):
I recognized both of those boys, yes, and the uh hello,
who is that medo?

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
And the individual who was wearing the red hoodie who
appears to be holding up a cell phone?

Speaker 17 (02:27:48):
Who was that Jack Snyder.

Speaker 2 (02:27:51):
Do you have a clear recollection of seeing these two
boys that night appearing as such?

Speaker 24 (02:27:56):
I remember them walking inside and looking like that.

Speaker 17 (02:27:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:27:59):
Do you know when that photograph was taken?

Speaker 17 (02:28:02):
I believe this was after boys had shown up outside,
because I think when they came back in that's when.

Speaker 24 (02:28:09):
Word got around the party that people had shown up.

Speaker 2 (02:28:12):
So which your understanding this photograph was taken after the
fight occurred?

Speaker 17 (02:28:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
Do you recall the defendant putting on this helmet and
this pillow at any point at the party?

Speaker 24 (02:28:22):
I don't remember. I think I just saw him wearing it.

Speaker 2 (02:28:26):
Did you wonder why he was wearing it? No?

Speaker 24 (02:28:29):
I thought maybe he was drunk. He just kind of
looked stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:28:34):
And that blue bottle that he has in his hand,
do you recall seeing that either in the car on
the way to the party. Do you recall taking a
sip from that bottle? Do you recall seeing that bottle
at all?

Speaker 17 (02:28:49):
Maybe through the picture, but I don't remember specifically that
he was drinking that Now.

Speaker 2 (02:28:57):
Now, Mackenzie, did you stay at Madigan Lifer's house the
remainder of the night.

Speaker 12 (02:29:02):
We did not?

Speaker 2 (02:29:04):
And why not?

Speaker 17 (02:29:08):
Basically? I think the party might have been getting too big,
and at one point Madigan's parents, or at least her mom,
came downstairs and started telling everybody to leave. So I
guess the whole party started just moving towards the driveway.
People were trying to figure out rides home, people were
getting into random cars.

Speaker 2 (02:29:31):
So yeah, So at some point you left the Lifer's house, yes.
And when you left the Lifer's house, did you have
a ride anywhere? Did you know where you were going
to go? Yeah?

Speaker 24 (02:29:46):
I was under the impression that Jack Snyder was going
to bring me home.

Speaker 2 (02:29:50):
So at some point did you get into Jack Snyder's
car again?

Speaker 12 (02:29:53):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:29:54):
And in addition to yourself, who else got into Jack
Snyder's car?

Speaker 17 (02:30:00):
I don't recall everybody. I can definitely say I think Meadow,
Tyler de Silva, Keenan Phrasick, dimitri There might have been
a couple other people, and those people I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (02:30:19):
Now you mentioned I'll ask this final questions. You mentioned
the names Keenan Freyasich, Demetrios. I don't know if you said,
will are you familiar with those people?

Speaker 16 (02:30:33):
I was.

Speaker 24 (02:30:35):
I knew they came. They went to my school.

Speaker 17 (02:30:37):
They were the grade below me. I wasn't super close
with them, but I knew them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30:42):
Would you have a direct recollection of them getting into
the vehicle's vehicle? When you got into the vehicle, do
you recall where everyone was sitting?

Speaker 17 (02:30:51):
Tyler de Silva was sitting in the passenger seat, Jack
Snyder was driving, and then four of us were squeezed
into the back seat, and there was maybe one person
in the trunk.

Speaker 24 (02:31:02):
I just don't know which one was in the trunk.

Speaker 2 (02:31:04):
Do you recall sitting on the defender's lap at any point?

Speaker 24 (02:31:07):
I think I was lapped up in the back.

Speaker 4 (02:31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:31:12):
So we are going to live into our recesses.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
In the recess and we'll be back to thank you
for its dancing.

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Speaker 2 (02:34:11):
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Speaker 15 (02:34:19):
Thank you ladies and gentlemen in the story.

Speaker 25 (02:34:22):
Not so please stipulate the return of our jersey before
beginning the senior Thank you, An Kensey, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
I believe we left off where you were talking about
at the end of the party at the Lipres's house.
At some point you got into Jack Snyder's car along
with some other people, And what was your intention? What
was the where did you think you were going?

Speaker 17 (02:34:52):
We were supposed to be going to?

Speaker 12 (02:34:54):
What we did?

Speaker 24 (02:34:54):
Go to Trumbull High School?

Speaker 2 (02:34:57):
When you got into Jack's car, did you have did
you indicate to him that you wanted to go home?

Speaker 16 (02:35:04):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (02:35:05):
At one point I knew that he was driving me home.

Speaker 2 (02:35:08):
So when you got into the car, you indicated Will
Sindwell was in that vehicle. Who else was in that vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:35:15):
Tyler de Silva, Leedo, Jack, Senator, Keenan Dmitri Will and
maybe somebody else who was trying to catch a ride
to Tremble High School?

Speaker 2 (02:35:31):
Was there about seven of you in there?

Speaker 16 (02:35:34):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
And when you got into the vehicle, did Jack take
you home at that point? And where did you go?

Speaker 17 (02:35:41):
A bunch of people from the party were meeting up
at Trumbull High School kind of relocating to hang out
and maybe continue the party a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:35:52):
Were you familiar with Tumble High School?

Speaker 17 (02:35:54):
I've been there before. I guess we were just a
bunch of people were gonna park the cars there in
the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (02:36:01):
And did Jack Indeeds go to Tumble High School?

Speaker 18 (02:36:03):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:36:04):
When you were ride a Tumble High School? Where did
Jack park.

Speaker 17 (02:36:08):
I don't recall in the same parking lot as all
the other cars that were headed over from Maddie's house.

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
When you arrived there, did you indeed see other vehicles there?

Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:36:18):
And do you remember interacting with anyone else, either from
the party or otherwise?

Speaker 17 (02:36:23):
When we got there? I saw I was a captain
on the cheerleading team, and I saw the freshman girls.
They were surrounded surrounding a car. So I went over
there and I hung out with them.

Speaker 2 (02:36:35):
Were they at the Lifer's party as well?

Speaker 6 (02:36:37):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (02:36:38):
So you went over and spoke to some of the
freshman girls from the cheer team.

Speaker 12 (02:36:41):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:36:41):
Do you recall what the defendant and Jack Snyder and
Tyler de Silver were doing?

Speaker 12 (02:36:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:36:46):
Do you recall what Keenan or Demetrios or Wilson's while
we're doing?

Speaker 7 (02:36:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
How long would you say you stayed at the parking
in the parking lot of Tumble High School?

Speaker 17 (02:36:57):
Maybe twenty five minutes?

Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
Recall going back, how long it took to get to
Tumble High School from the.

Speaker 17 (02:37:03):
Party of Lazybrook, probably around ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:37:07):
And on the car ride to Tumble High School, what
was the vibe in the car?

Speaker 17 (02:37:12):
If you can recall the ride was late to me,
music was playing.

Speaker 12 (02:37:17):
I think that's about it was.

Speaker 2 (02:37:21):
Any drinking going on in the car ride to Tumble
High School?

Speaker 24 (02:37:25):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (02:37:26):
Do you recall if you were drinking at all? Do
you recall if the defendant was drinking?

Speaker 7 (02:37:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:37:31):
Do you recall if Jack or Tyler were drinking?

Speaker 24 (02:37:35):
I think they were drunk, but I don't know. Recall
if they continued drinking at that point?

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
And how long? Would you say? You stayed at Trumbull
High School?

Speaker 17 (02:37:46):
For about twenty five minutes maybe or thirty?

Speaker 2 (02:37:51):
And at some point did you leave the parking lot
at Trumble High School? Who got back into withdrawn? And
did you get back into Jack's vehicle?

Speaker 4 (02:37:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:37:58):
Who else got back into jack vehicle to leave Tumble
High School?

Speaker 24 (02:38:02):
The same kid says before, should I go through them?

Speaker 2 (02:38:05):
That's okay? Now, when you got back into Jack's car,
where were you sitting at that point?

Speaker 24 (02:38:11):
I was I think still sitting in the second row.

Speaker 2 (02:38:15):
Were you on Lado's lap?

Speaker 4 (02:38:17):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (02:38:18):
Do you recall who was sitting in the passenger seat,
Tyler de Silva and the individual sitting next to you
in the back row? Do you recall what those individuals were.

Speaker 17 (02:38:28):
I can recall Will Singewald. I'm not sure about the
other boys where they were sitting exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:38:34):
Do you recall if anyone was in the trunk of
the vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:38:38):
Maybe one kid, I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:42):
Now you got back in the vehicle. At that point,
where did you think you were going home? And why
did you think that?

Speaker 17 (02:38:51):
If you live in Shelton, I was we were about
to pass the reservoir, which was what's my house?

Speaker 2 (02:38:59):
Did you indicate the jack that you want to go
home at that point?

Speaker 16 (02:39:01):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
Now, at some point were what was drawn? Did you
I take you home at that moment?

Speaker 12 (02:39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
At some point while you were in the vehicle, were
you made aware that some boys in the car were
part of a texting chain or texting conversation?

Speaker 17 (02:39:17):
It was mentioned.

Speaker 24 (02:39:18):
I didn't know who was in it or what was
going on in it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:22):
Were you part of that texting chain?

Speaker 7 (02:39:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:39:25):
And how did you become aware that there was a
texting chain going on?

Speaker 17 (02:39:31):
It must have been mentioned at one point in the car.
I think I just noticed that we had changed route.
I think someone must have sent a text message in
that group chat, and that's how I was aware.

Speaker 2 (02:39:44):
Now, what was the atmosphere and the vibe in the
car at this point, once the texting chain had developed
and you indicated that you were made aware of it,
explain describe what the vibe was in the car.

Speaker 17 (02:39:56):
I definitely could tell that the vibe had changed. You know,
I was going to be I was close to being home,
and then it seemed like, in an instant, the boys
were set on going to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (02:40:11):
Now, how did you become aware? Well with drawn. Are
you familiar with Tyler Rich?

Speaker 17 (02:40:14):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:40:15):
And how do you know Tyler Rich?

Speaker 17 (02:40:16):
I was good friends with him growing up. He was
in my friend group, and I've been to his house
a ton of times.

Speaker 2 (02:40:22):
Did you attend schools with Tyler Rich?

Speaker 4 (02:40:24):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
Other than high school?

Speaker 16 (02:40:25):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:40:26):
And you said you just indicated you've been to his
house a ton of.

Speaker 17 (02:40:28):
Times, to a bunch of his parties and hangouts.

Speaker 2 (02:40:32):
Now, how did you become aware that you were going
to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (02:40:37):
I just remember being close to my home, and I
remember then taking a left towards Eyz and Glass rather
than going straight back, so I knew that we had
changed direction.

Speaker 2 (02:40:52):
So it's it fair to say at some point you
thought you were going home. You thought you were being
dropped off at home. That did not occur because did
you actually pass your street? No, but the car directed
to another diverted to another direction. Yes, in the two so,
without obviously going into what they said, you became aware
that that's where you were going.

Speaker 4 (02:41:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:41:11):
Do you recall hearing anything from Leedo at that point
regarding going to Tyler Rich's house or going to fight anyone,
anything to that effect.

Speaker 17 (02:41:21):
I don't remember him saying anything, but I had ejected
multiple times to us going and he didn't stand up
for me or say anything in that regard.

Speaker 24 (02:41:32):
I didn't want to go to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (02:41:34):
Why didn't you want to go to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 4 (02:41:35):
Mecouncil?

Speaker 17 (02:41:36):
Because I grew up in Shelton and a bunch of
people who I was friends with, I knew it would
probably be at that party. So it seemed as if
there was some type of confrontation going on between them,
and I knew I didn't want to be a part
of it.

Speaker 2 (02:41:54):
Do you recall the address of Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 24 (02:41:56):
Off hand, Laurel Glenn, I'm not sure what number, And.

Speaker 2 (02:42:05):
Was there anyone in particular in the vehicle that was
pushing going to Tyler Rich's house more so than anyone else.

Speaker 17 (02:42:12):
I would say that Jack Snader and Tyler D. Silva
in the front were pushing it. Jack was one of
the driving and I had hated with him multiple times
that I wanted to go home, and it seemed like
he was adamant about going.

Speaker 2 (02:42:27):
On the way to Tyler Rich's house. Who, if anyone,
did you have contact with on your phone?

Speaker 17 (02:42:32):
As soon as I was made aware that they were
now headed to Tyler Rich's house, I had texted my
sister and I had asked her to pick me up
from Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (02:42:44):
And why did you do that?

Speaker 17 (02:42:47):
I knew I didn't want to be at Tyler Rich's house.
I didn't want to be anywhere near his house. A
lot of the people there were my friends, so I
didn't want to get involved.

Speaker 2 (02:42:57):
Based on the conversation you've heard on the car, as
well as just for overall gut feeling, do you know
something might did you know something was gonna that something
bad was gonna happen in going to the house.

Speaker 17 (02:43:09):
I had a I assumed it wasn't going to be friendly.
I assumed it was gonna be some type of confrontation.

Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
Now at some point if you arrive at Tyler Richard's house. Yes, now, McKenzie,
if you can look, if I just may approach the witness,
your honor say, yes, sent you too in are you
able to show the jury.

Speaker 4 (02:43:36):
Or there where?

Speaker 12 (02:43:38):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:43:39):
That you.

Speaker 2 (02:43:49):
Assuming that this? I think we were parked that way.

Speaker 21 (02:44:00):
Pointing to the bottom.

Speaker 2 (02:44:02):
That'll be reflective on the record. Thank you, because I
am going to show you another exhibit. This is the
exhibit forty nine. You can look on your screen there.
So this is a more pulled back picture of State
sifty two. If you could describe and stage forty nine
where Jack Snyder pulled up to Tyler Rich's house on

(02:44:24):
that day, if you just use your words to describe it.
You can't point on the screen.

Speaker 6 (02:44:27):
It doesn't show up on them.

Speaker 17 (02:44:30):
I remember he had pulled up probably near the driveway.

Speaker 2 (02:44:34):
Okay, so I'm gonna use this kind of here. You're
indicating that Jack Snyder pulled this vehicle up around this area.

Speaker 12 (02:44:41):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:44:42):
Was it directly in front of the driveway or was
it more to the right hand side? Was it back more?
And you can you can stop me with with my pen.

Speaker 17 (02:44:49):
I would say closer to the driveway, maybe around this area.

Speaker 2 (02:44:53):
Yes, the refecto ounder that the state is pointing to
the middle to bottom portion of the exhibit towards the
dry way of saying forty nine. It'll reflect the information
on the record.

Speaker 12 (02:45:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:45:05):
Now, when you arrived, McKenzie, can you explain to members
of the jury what you saw initially? And what I
mean by that is, did you seek anyone out on
the on the on the road? Did you see anyone
out on the front lawn of forty forty three floor line?
What did you observe.

Speaker 17 (02:45:19):
Before we had pulled up to the house. I had
climbed over the back seat and hidden in the trunk.
I didn't want to be seen. I didn't want to
be there, so I don't remember seeing who or anyone
in the crowd. I would say, I maybe remember one
or two people coming up towards the back, and someone

(02:45:42):
even said hi to me.

Speaker 2 (02:45:43):
When you got into the trunk of Jack's car, Who,
if anyone.

Speaker 17 (02:45:47):
Was in the trunk with you, either Keenan or Dmitri.
I'm not sure which one.

Speaker 2 (02:45:53):
Back of the trunk was. Their windows in the trunk
of the vehicle.

Speaker 17 (02:45:57):
I don't recall, Okay, do you recall sitting.

Speaker 2 (02:46:01):
On items in the back of the trunk where there
are other items that in the trunk that you were
sitting on because there wasn't enough room.

Speaker 17 (02:46:08):
I think there was probably some items around that I
just was sitting over.

Speaker 2 (02:46:13):
Were you able to see out the back of the
trunk area, meaning was there a window out the back
of the trunk?

Speaker 24 (02:46:19):
I don't remember looking out the back of the trunk, So.

Speaker 2 (02:46:22):
So you indicated you were able to see a few
people when Jack pulled up. Did you initially see anyone
or was there a moment in time that passed before
people started coming out of the house and approaching the car.

Speaker 24 (02:46:36):
It seems like there had been a group that formed outside.

Speaker 17 (02:46:39):
Maybe the one or two people that I saw was
because I think they came up to the back window
in the second row and then looked back and I
was kind of in the trunk.

Speaker 2 (02:46:51):
Now, do you know if anyone from your vehicle alerted
on the texting chat that you had arrived?

Speaker 12 (02:47:00):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (02:47:01):
Now, when you saw these one or two individuals that
you just indicated come up to the car, did you
recognize them?

Speaker 10 (02:47:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:47:08):
And who did you recognize them as.

Speaker 17 (02:47:11):
I remember at the least I remember Faison coming up
to me.

Speaker 2 (02:47:18):
Did you have interaction with Faison?

Speaker 4 (02:47:20):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:47:21):
It seemed friendly, okay?

Speaker 2 (02:47:23):
And where any windows rolled down in the hont.

Speaker 17 (02:47:25):
Of hilot that you were in, the.

Speaker 24 (02:47:31):
Driver one and the one that Faison came in and
said hi to me?

Speaker 2 (02:47:35):
The one that Faison came in to say hi to you?
Was that the one that Leito was sitting closest to,
or either Keenan or Will that you indicated were sitting
closer to.

Speaker 17 (02:47:44):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (02:47:46):
When he came over to you and without telling anyone
what he said, were you able to hear him through
the open.

Speaker 17 (02:47:51):
Window when he acknowledged me? I heard him, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:56):
And when he acknowledged you, did you respond back to him?
And what did you say?

Speaker 17 (02:47:59):
And I just said high back.

Speaker 2 (02:48:01):
How do you know he?

Speaker 17 (02:48:04):
I didn't know him too well, but he went to
my schools uh, so I knew him through you know, uh,
middle school and maybe intermediate school.

Speaker 2 (02:48:12):
Do you know his last name? Now, if you can
explain to members of the jury from what you can remember,
did any any additional people come out of Tyler Rich's
house and approached the vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:48:25):
It seemed like at one point somebody from the outside
had approached the driver seat window, so Jack Snader, and
it seemed like there was maybe some type of confrontation
going on there.

Speaker 2 (02:48:37):
When you say that, what did you hear? What did
you observe as far as you terming in a confrontation.

Speaker 17 (02:48:44):
I didn't hear anything specific that stood out. It just
seemed that maybe they were arguing back and forth through
the window.

Speaker 2 (02:48:51):
At some withdrawn at some point. Did you see anyone
throwing anything at the vehicle that you were in. Was
anything thrown from the vehicle that you were in back
out onto the lawn or at individuals from Tyler Richie's house.
Do you remember any of that.

Speaker 17 (02:49:08):
I don't remember seeing anyone outside throwing anything, just because
I was kind of head in a little bit. But
I do remember hearing a bunch of noises coming, maybe
banging on the car or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:49:22):
Do you recall the car being rocked at all? Do
you recall anyone standing on the bumper of the car
and moving the car at all? I don't recall when
you were in the trunk, Mackenzie. You just indicated that
you were kind of hiding. Were you almost laying down
in the back.

Speaker 17 (02:49:35):
Of the trunk, I think so.

Speaker 12 (02:49:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49:39):
Did you hear leto saying anything to anyone during that
interaction at all?

Speaker 12 (02:49:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:49:44):
Do you recall how long that interaction occurred between the
kids from Tyler Rich's house and the individuals in your vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:49:50):
No more than a couple minutes?

Speaker 2 (02:49:53):
And what if anything happened next that you can recall.

Speaker 24 (02:49:57):
I remember it seems like things being thrown out the car, so.

Speaker 17 (02:50:03):
There's a little chaos there, and then we just immediately
started driving down the street.

Speaker 2 (02:50:09):
Do you remember anyone telling Jack to drive off? No? Now,
when you say went down the street, I'm going to
direct your attention to states just the one you use that.
So this is the area of plan House land. This

(02:50:31):
is no ride here from one jury where you did
jazz Nighter boat the pots car down.

Speaker 21 (02:50:44):
Here and I.

Speaker 26 (02:50:49):
Down roll down lane? It's your pointer is now? Or
even beware at some point did jazz Nighters stop you
at the hold down? So did he only go down
Laura glend Life once and stop or he drives back
for several months?

Speaker 2 (02:51:09):
I don't remembering that. So did you recollect wants to.

Speaker 12 (02:51:14):
Stop the whole.

Speaker 26 (02:51:16):
He was just pointing to the area on Laura Lund
Pride say three four now.

Speaker 2 (02:51:25):
Like persons, alright, that'll be reflected on the record.

Speaker 12 (02:51:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:51:32):
Now, Mackenzie, you had indicated just now that Jack had
stopped his vehicle about three fourths down the road on
Laurel Glen Drive. When why did he stop his vehicle?
Do you recall saying something to him to to make
him stop his vehicle? To your knowledge, why did he
stop his vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:51:52):
I believe me at least wanted to get out of
the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:51:56):
Okay, did you tell him to stop his vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:52:01):
I'm not sure. I must have said something for yeah,
did you.

Speaker 2 (02:52:04):
Tell him you wanted to get out? What was your
demeanor at that point? Were you crying? Were you yelling?
Were you screaming?

Speaker 17 (02:52:10):
Explained to members of the jury, I was very upset
that we had gone there in the first place.

Speaker 24 (02:52:17):
I guess I was angry that we were there.

Speaker 2 (02:52:20):
Do you recall crying at all? Who were you angry with?

Speaker 17 (02:52:26):
Mainly I was angry that Lido hadn't, you know, stood
up and said let's not go there, because I was
objecting a lot in the car, and then I was
also angry with Jack Sader and Tyler, because they also
knew that I didn't want to go you just.

Speaker 2 (02:52:44):
Want to go home.

Speaker 4 (02:52:45):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:52:46):
Now, you indicated earlier to members of the jury you
were in the trunk of the vehicle at some point.
Did you get out of Jack Snyder's car?

Speaker 16 (02:52:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:52:52):
And how did you describe how you got out? Did
you pop up with the trunk? Did you jump over seats?

Speaker 17 (02:52:57):
How did you get out of the vehicle when the
car came to us? I called over the seat and
I got out of the side door, and I immediately
walked to the end of the road and sat on
the curb.

Speaker 2 (02:53:10):
At some point did other people also get out of
the vehicle?

Speaker 17 (02:53:14):
I think after yeah, I think they did.

Speaker 2 (02:53:17):
Do you know who got out?

Speaker 24 (02:53:20):
I'm not sure exactly who at that point in time
got out.

Speaker 2 (02:53:23):
I'm gonna be showing you States exhibit States forty four.
I'm just gonna play this through, Okay, But Ken, did
did you see yourself getting out of that vehicle?

Speaker 4 (02:53:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:53:37):
And what can you indicate the number of the journey
what you saw yourself doing in that In.

Speaker 17 (02:53:41):
States forty four, I got out of the car and
my arms were crossed, I think because I was mad
and I just walked to the end of the street
and sat down. I was facing the opposite way.

Speaker 2 (02:53:55):
McKenzie in pointing to states forty four, I'm going to
direct your attention. You can look on the six screen
here pointing here, is that you sitting on the curb there? Yes, okay,
And do you recall at this point, if anyone else
in stage forty four in this vehicle here, this is
Jack Snyder's vehicle, if anyone else got out at that.

Speaker 17 (02:54:13):
Point, At that moment, I was alone at the end
of the road, So maybe they got out.

Speaker 2 (02:54:23):
Now from your recollection that night, you don't recall anyone
else getting out because you're just indicated you were sitting
on the curb. What were you doing when you were
sitting on the curb? Demonstrate Summer's of the jury what
you were doing physically.

Speaker 17 (02:54:33):
I had gotten to the curb and I called my
sister Madison, and I was just making sure that she
was on her way to pick me up, and just
asking her her eta.

Speaker 2 (02:54:43):
Were you looking around? Did you have your head in
your hand, your head in your hands? Were you slumped
over all? Explained Tom's the jury what you were doing?

Speaker 17 (02:54:52):
Yeah, I was slumped over kind of just on my
phone in a little bubble calling her, texting her.

Speaker 2 (02:55:01):
I'm gonna drinkt you attention again at sea. It's forty four.
If you can look at the rest of the video,
Kenny Deckenzie, point into States forty four. You see these
two individuals here. I don't know if you can see
so this individual here as well as this individual here.
Do you know who those two individuals are? They just
got out of the vehicle.

Speaker 17 (02:55:17):
Can you replay it one more time please?

Speaker 2 (02:55:22):
You're referring to States forty four, those two individuals that
just get out of the vehicle. You're walking down towards
the curb you sit down. Do you know who those
two individuals are?

Speaker 17 (02:55:29):
I believe the one coming out of the driver's seat
is Tyler de Silva and the other one.

Speaker 24 (02:55:38):
Maybe Ledo.

Speaker 2 (02:55:41):
Now, mackenzie, you see here in seats forty four that
you're sitting on the curve here right At some point,
do you leave that curb area? Can you recall if
you left that Curbarrea and once you're a different curb
or a different area of the street.

Speaker 17 (02:55:55):
I don't recall I remember being on a curb.

Speaker 2 (02:55:58):
Is it possible you left that carbaria. I went somewhere
else publicly. Now, Mackenzie, at some point when you were
sitting in that carbar area or a different carbaria, did
you see anyone from Shelton High School approach?

Speaker 24 (02:56:13):
I didn't see anyone come up and approach me.

Speaker 2 (02:56:15):
And when I say Shelton High School, I meman individuals
from forty three Laura Glen from Tyler's party. Do you
recall anyone approaching you or approaching that area?

Speaker 6 (02:56:22):
No, not me.

Speaker 17 (02:56:23):
I did recall maybe some some noise coming from behind me.
I hadn't looked over, and I was on my phone,
so I don't remember who.

Speaker 2 (02:56:33):
So you had indicated earlier before you played stage forty
four that you were on your phone and you were
contacting who again, my sister, And what were you saying
to your sister at that point?

Speaker 17 (02:56:42):
I had already texted her before we even arrived to
Tyler's house. As soon as you know, the direction changed.
I had texted her saying that I was going to
need a ride from Tyler's house. So when I had
called her when I got out of the car, I
was just making sure that she was on her way there.

Speaker 2 (02:56:57):
Now, Mackenzie, you saw yourself get out of jack vehicle.
At some point, either simultaneously to when you were getting
out of the vehicle or prior to, did you hear
any anything about a knife being talked about?

Speaker 17 (02:57:11):
I don't remember in the car.

Speaker 24 (02:57:14):
I don't think that was the case.

Speaker 17 (02:57:16):
I remember at one point, maybe when I was getting
out and leaving the area, I heard someone say something
about a knife.

Speaker 2 (02:57:24):
Do you know who that was?

Speaker 17 (02:57:25):
I'm not sure?

Speaker 2 (02:57:27):
And did it alarm you when you heard this information
about a knife?

Speaker 17 (02:57:34):
I didn't really even I overlooked it completely. I just
didn't think anything of it. I didn't think anything would
have happened with a knife.

Speaker 2 (02:57:44):
So you heard talk of a knife, You don't know
if it was a defendant who said it, or anyone
else in the vehicle.

Speaker 4 (02:57:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:57:50):
Do you know how close you were to that conversation
you heard about a knife? Do you know if it
was when you were getting out of the vehicle. Do
you know it was when you were standing by the vehicle?
Do you have any recollection of when you heard it?

Speaker 17 (02:58:03):
I believe it was either. I think it was when
I was walking away. I don't remember the conversation being had.
I don't remember what they had been talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:58:15):
Any point when you were sitting on that curve, did
you see Leedo?

Speaker 17 (02:58:19):
At one point the boys that were in the car
had walked down to the end of the street where
I was sitting. I had offered all of them rides home,
and including Leto, I offered him a ride home.

Speaker 24 (02:58:36):
So I saw him at that moment.

Speaker 2 (02:58:37):
So when you see all the boys, Leedo walked down there,
Jack Jack Snyder walked down there. Oh with John? Did
Jack Snyder walk down there as well?

Speaker 7 (02:58:47):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (02:58:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:58:50):
Tyler Disilva walked down there. Keenan Frasich walked down there,
Will singe Wall walked down there, and Dimitios our Fantis
walked down there. Yes, And what did you offer them?

Speaker 17 (02:59:00):
I told them that my sister would be there in
a couple of minutes and anybody who wanted to leave
could get into my car and I would drive them home.

Speaker 2 (02:59:08):
And you told all of them that I just indicated, yes.

Speaker 17 (02:59:12):
I told all of them. Three of them accepted the offer, Will, Keenan,
and Dmitri. They sat down on the curb with me,
and then I also offered to the other two boys,
and they were adamant about not coming with me, so.

Speaker 2 (02:59:27):
They did not want to go with you and your
sister and leave the area. Yes, when you see adamant,
how were they acting.

Speaker 17 (02:59:36):
They seemed like they were getting like hyped up a
little bit. I felt like I was begging at one
point for them to just not go back down there.
You know, my sister is going to be here in
two minutes, please come.

Speaker 4 (02:59:49):
Back with me.

Speaker 2 (02:59:51):
Why were you begging them?

Speaker 17 (02:59:54):
I could tell that there was you know, there was
fifty guys that are about a you know, they're having confrontation.

Speaker 12 (03:00:02):
It was scary.

Speaker 17 (03:00:03):
It was not a good scene, and I knew that
nothing good could come out of it. So I was
just kind of begging them to, you know, leave leave
the area, let's go back home.

Speaker 24 (03:00:13):
Let's let me drop your guys off.

Speaker 2 (03:00:15):
At some point, when you were sitting on the curb
area well withdrawn, did will Keenan and Dmitri come and
sit down with you and join you on the curb.
That's when Tyler and uh Leto, as you indicated, denied
or objected to going home with your sister. Where do

(03:00:37):
you recall them going?

Speaker 17 (03:00:39):
I just remember I offered them the ride multiple times
and they declined, and it seemed like they had just disappeared.

Speaker 2 (03:00:47):
They ran off at some point well with drawn. Was
Jack's car still in the area at that point?

Speaker 17 (03:00:55):
It may have been I don't remember exactly where, but
definitely somewhere down the road.

Speaker 2 (03:01:00):
Do you have a recollection of Tyler and Ledo getting
back into Jack's car and going back towards Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (03:01:07):
I just remember them leaving. I don't remember if they
walked down there or drove their car down there.

Speaker 2 (03:01:15):
When they left the area. Who was left where you were?

Speaker 17 (03:01:19):
It was me, Keenan Dmitri and Will When you.

Speaker 2 (03:01:23):
Were sitting there waiting for your sister to show up.
Did you hear anything at all from down the street
in near Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (03:01:32):
I heard noise, but I had been hearing noise and
you know, loud talking or shouting all night, so I
just assumed that it was the same thing.

Speaker 2 (03:01:44):
From your vantage point and sitting on the curb area
down Laurel Glenn, if you were to with Drawn, did
you look down Laurel Glenn towards Tyler Rich's house. Did
you see anything going on? Were you able to see
anything from your vantage point?

Speaker 17 (03:01:56):
I didn't see anything. I also wear glasses or contact.
So I just don't think we were really looking at
in that direction. Me, Keenan, Dimitri, and Will were maybe
a little bit in conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:02:09):
And at some point did your sister come pick you up?

Speaker 6 (03:02:12):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (03:02:12):
And your sister's name Madison.

Speaker 2 (03:02:14):
And when Madison came to pick you up, did anyone
else get in the vehicle with you?

Speaker 17 (03:02:20):
So she pulled up at the end of the road.
I got into the passenger seat, Keenan and Dmitri got
into the back, and we were waiting to see if
Will needed to ride home. Uh, he was on the
phone with his girlfriend trying to get in contact with
her to see if she would pick him up instead.

Speaker 2 (03:02:38):
So Will did not enter your sister's car.

Speaker 24 (03:02:40):
No, he was waiting near the passenger door next to me.

Speaker 2 (03:02:43):
Did your sister wait before his girlfriend came to pick
him up? Or did you leave the area before that occurred?

Speaker 24 (03:02:48):
She was waiting to see what what he was going
to do.

Speaker 2 (03:02:53):
And indicate again where you where you got into your
sister's car, and where Keenan in Dmitri got into your
sister's car.

Speaker 17 (03:03:00):
I got into the passenger seat, and they got into
the second row in the back of me.

Speaker 2 (03:03:11):
McKenzie, I'm saying, I'm showing you stage forty four. This
is a video taken. You can describe the members of
the jury, will indicate if you recognize your sister's car
it all, and if you recognize or do you see
Jack Snyder's car at all. I'm gonna play it through once.

Speaker 17 (03:03:25):
Okay, I believe that's Jack Snader's car, passing from the
one in the front.

Speaker 2 (03:03:32):
And then yeah, and that car that just stopped right there,
whose car is that?

Speaker 17 (03:03:38):
That's my sister?

Speaker 12 (03:03:41):
Is that when you and.

Speaker 2 (03:03:42):
Dimitri and Keenan got into your sister's vehicle. Yes, do
you recall what's happening.

Speaker 17 (03:03:49):
Yeah, we had gotten into the vehicle, As I said,
I was waiting to see if Will needed to ride home,
and we were connecting to the Blue Shoes.

Speaker 2 (03:03:58):
Now, McKenzie, at some point, did anyone else get into
your vehicle at that moment? We're back shortly after that moment. Yes, okay,
and excuse me? Who else got into that vehicle?

Speaker 17 (03:04:13):
At one point, Lido maybe came from behind the car
and he kind of came up to the window, the
passenger seat window, and he asked quickly to my sister.

Speaker 24 (03:04:25):
He said, hey, Maddie, can I get a ride home?

Speaker 2 (03:04:28):
Was that before or after Jack's car drove off as
you see it?

Speaker 17 (03:04:32):
I think.

Speaker 12 (03:04:34):
After now.

Speaker 2 (03:04:36):
He came up to your passenger side window or Madison's
passenger side window, to my window, and he asked your
sister through your window if he can get a ride home? Yes,
when you were withdrawn, how was the lighting at that point?
Were you able to observe Lido? Did you observe any
injuries on him? Did he look like he had just

(03:04:59):
been enough fight? If you can explain, He.

Speaker 17 (03:05:03):
Quickly came up to the window, and I didn't observe anything.
I didn't observe him looking like there was any like
marks or anything on him, and then he just quickly
got into the back seat.

Speaker 2 (03:05:14):
When he got into the back seat, did he sit
directly behind you?

Speaker 7 (03:05:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:05:18):
And at some point did your sister Madison drive off
from out of the area to take the individuals in
her car home and also bring you home with her.

Speaker 17 (03:05:29):
Yes, we were facing away from Tyler's house and we
drove to continue to drive that way.

Speaker 2 (03:05:36):
So down Laurel Glenn with drawn, well down Laurel Glenn
towards farmhouse or did you turn around and go back
towards Adams towards Tyler Riche's house.

Speaker 17 (03:05:44):
We did not go back towards his house. We continued
going I guess towards farmhouse.

Speaker 12 (03:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:05:51):
Now on the car ride back to everyone says the
needed houses. Explain or describe the atmosphere of the car.
What's your music plan? Were people talking?

Speaker 17 (03:06:03):
I so we had the music playing pretty loudly. There
was no talking in the back, or none that I heard.
I didn't hear anyone talking in the back. I was
already kind of in a bad mood, so I was
just kind of sitting in the front. It was pretty loud.
I would say, we normally play the music pretty loud
in the car.

Speaker 2 (03:06:23):
And yeah, did you recall hearing Lido say anything in
the car? Did you have any conversations with leto No?
And why not?

Speaker 17 (03:06:33):
I was very angry this night because I didn't want
to go to Tyler Rich's house once again. I had
a lot of funds that were there, so I just
didn't want to get involved during the middle of it.
So I think I was just very upset that we
had been there, so there was no conversations really going on.

Speaker 2 (03:06:51):
And who did your sister drop off? First, if you can.

Speaker 17 (03:06:53):
Recall Keenan and Dimitri, they were staying together at one
of their houses.

Speaker 2 (03:07:00):
And then at some point after your sister dropped off
Keenan and Dmitri, it was you and Leedo and your
sister left in the vehicle. Yes, And was there conversation?

Speaker 12 (03:07:09):
And with John?

Speaker 2 (03:07:09):
Where does Keenan and Dmitri live? Whoever the house you
went to? Do you recall where they live? With town?

Speaker 17 (03:07:15):
I think Trumble?

Speaker 2 (03:07:16):
Now going from Trumbull back to where Leedo lived, do
you recall what town Leedo.

Speaker 17 (03:07:21):
Lives in Milford?

Speaker 2 (03:07:22):
Going back from Trumbull back to Milford where Ledo lived,
was there conversation in the vehicle between you and him
your sister?

Speaker 21 (03:07:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:07:30):
It was silent.

Speaker 16 (03:07:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:07:32):
Do you recall how long it took your sister to
go from Trumbull from Keenan's house to Toledo's house?

Speaker 17 (03:07:39):
I would say fifteen minutes?

Speaker 12 (03:07:41):
Max?

Speaker 2 (03:07:42):
And what happened with John? Did your sister? And do
you get Toledo's house?

Speaker 4 (03:07:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:07:47):
And what happened when you got Toledo's house?

Speaker 17 (03:07:50):
She then asked me if I could step outside with.

Speaker 2 (03:07:54):
Him out of the car.

Speaker 16 (03:07:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:07:56):
And did you indeed step out of the car. No,
and why not?

Speaker 24 (03:08:00):
I didn't want to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (03:08:02):
And when you refuse to get out of the vehicle,
what happened next? He just left and your sister left. Yes, Mackenzie.
While you're in the car ride from Laurel Glenn to
drop off the kids in your car, did you receive
any FaceTime calls or any snapchat messages from friends of yours?

Speaker 17 (03:08:21):
So on my way back home to my house, I
got a text message from my group chat with girls
that I went to high school.

Speaker 2 (03:08:29):
With, and without telling us what they said, just tell
us the vibe of what it was.

Speaker 17 (03:08:36):
It seems like someone had heard that there was a fight,
so there was maybe rumors going around. Someone said, sorry,
there was talk about stabbing, that someone had been stabbed.

Speaker 2 (03:08:53):
Were these friends of yours that were local or were
these friends of yours that were in upstate New York
at the prom house as you indicate earlier.

Speaker 17 (03:09:00):
In your testimony, they were at the prom house?

Speaker 16 (03:09:03):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:09:04):
And did you receive any other messages from anyone else?

Speaker 17 (03:09:09):
So initially after that message, we had a little group
FaceTime call and I think that's everybody was just confused.
We didn't know what was going on. We didn't believe
that anything had happened. We were like, there's no way
that something like that could have happened. So I even
was like, I just dropped him off. I don't believe

(03:09:30):
that that could have happened. What then started to make
me nervous was I received a snapchat from Rosy McGrath
and Pete and Keman, and when I went to go
look to see what they had said, it seemed like
there was some foul language and that definitely.

Speaker 12 (03:09:50):
Made me.

Speaker 17 (03:09:52):
I was I was nervous. I didn't know what was
going on, and I was confused. Why why they were
reaching out to me?

Speaker 2 (03:09:57):
Did you respond to that snapchat message?

Speaker 17 (03:09:59):
No, I didn't open them.

Speaker 2 (03:10:02):
Now in addition to dropping Leado off in the car
ride home from Leedo's house, So after you dropp leadle
off in the car ride home to Alito's house, did
you engage any text message conversations with him?

Speaker 17 (03:10:16):
So when I received that phone call from my friends
as well as from Rosie and her friend, I immediately
texted Leido and I asked him what was going on?

Speaker 2 (03:10:30):
And why did you ask him that?

Speaker 17 (03:10:34):
Because in the messages for my friends where they indicated
that there was a rumor going around that he had
been in a fight and that he had stabbed someone,
and people were throwing around names to see like who
had maybe been involved.

Speaker 2 (03:10:48):
May I approach counsel your honner, may of course the
witness you runner? Yes, Kenzie, May I approach the witness
you runner, Kensey. I'm showing you what's in marked.

Speaker 27 (03:11:05):
At Why did you recognize that document?

Speaker 2 (03:11:12):
And there's several pages of that RECOI that yes, okay?
And what do you recognize that document to be?

Speaker 17 (03:11:19):
These were text messages between me and Lado?

Speaker 2 (03:11:22):
Now do you know the defendant's number offhand as you
sit here today?

Speaker 7 (03:11:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:11:26):
Okay. At some point did you have an opportunity when
you started dating Leado to exchange phone numbers with him?

Speaker 4 (03:11:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:11:32):
And when you exchange phone numbers with him, did you
put a name you got the phone number? Did you
put a name associated with that phone number?

Speaker 4 (03:11:38):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (03:11:39):
And what did you what name did you associate his
phone number with Leado?

Speaker 2 (03:11:43):
And at times while you were in when you were
dating him, did you have opportunities to text message him,
have phone conversations with him? And when you did, did
you access this number under the name Leado in your phone. Yes,
And these text messages you see here, when were those
text messages produced.

Speaker 24 (03:12:02):
After I had dropped him off on the way home
to my house.

Speaker 2 (03:12:06):
Now I'm looking at States ninety seven through one oh one.
In the text messages, is there a back and forth
conversation between you and Leedo at this time?

Speaker 4 (03:12:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:12:15):
I would ask the marks the full ecs.

Speaker 23 (03:12:16):
You're no JUCT portal accept into evidence as states full
Exhibits ninety seven through one on one.

Speaker 2 (03:12:25):
I'm showing you what's now been markets full Exhibits ninety
seven th one O one. Wow, I'm showing you here
what's been Marcus stated it is ninety seven through one
oh one. In looking at ninety seven, you see that
clearly on your screen. I know it's a little blurry. Yes,

(03:12:48):
Now I'm looking at ninety seven.

Speaker 24 (03:12:49):
You see it's a little blurry. Now we now, yeah,
that's good.

Speaker 16 (03:12:57):
Moment.

Speaker 2 (03:13:00):
Okay, can you see that on there?

Speaker 4 (03:13:02):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (03:13:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:13:03):
Now the blue writing that you see there, who's handwriting
art with tron? Who's text messaging? Is the blue?

Speaker 17 (03:13:09):
That's fine?

Speaker 2 (03:13:10):
And the white that you see there in Stay ninety seven,
whose is that?

Speaker 12 (03:13:14):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:13:15):
And Mackenzie I'm going to ask that you read I'm
going to read your parts into the record and publish it.
And you are going to read lead those parts into
the record. Okay, Okay, So in state ninety seven you
indicate and you said you contact Aledo first. Yes, okay,
and you indicate, are you fucking serious? I hate you.
Someone just called me and said you stab someone. You

(03:13:37):
just ruined everything. Leado literally ruined everything for me. Answer
the phone, I I DK what to do? Everyone is
texting me? What is IDK me? I don't know if
you can read Leto's parts.

Speaker 17 (03:13:49):
Please, I didn't do anything. I wasn't there.

Speaker 24 (03:13:52):
Stop texting anyone, Stop answering.

Speaker 2 (03:13:55):
Now, I'm going to show you States ninety eight, which
is a continuation of the text messaging. And you see
that clearly on your end. Yes, I'm going to read
your parts.

Speaker 14 (03:14:07):
Lido.

Speaker 2 (03:14:07):
Everyone knows who you are. Everyone knows you're my boyfriend.
And what if Lido said I know? Then you say, Leto,
everyone's texting me.

Speaker 17 (03:14:15):
What does he say, stop answering? What happened?

Speaker 2 (03:14:18):
And you say, don't talk to me? And what does
he say?

Speaker 24 (03:14:21):
Okay, stop answering anyone?

Speaker 2 (03:14:23):
Then you say you fucked up Lido, and what does
he say?

Speaker 17 (03:14:26):
How I wasn't there?

Speaker 2 (03:14:28):
Then you say, if my parents find out showing you
say ninety nine? Can you see that clearly?

Speaker 12 (03:14:37):
Yeap?

Speaker 2 (03:14:38):
Stop saying that you said?

Speaker 24 (03:14:39):
And then what do you say, Okay, stop texting please cans?

Speaker 2 (03:14:44):
And then you say, I'm not texting anyone? And what
then what does Leto.

Speaker 17 (03:14:47):
Say, don't text me, I'm going to Florida?

Speaker 2 (03:14:49):
And then you say they're texting me? When Lido, I
need you to answer me please? And what does he say?

Speaker 17 (03:14:55):
What canons?

Speaker 2 (03:14:56):
And then you say I'm so scared? What's going on?

Speaker 12 (03:15:00):
Show?

Speaker 2 (03:15:00):
When you states one hundred in the blue, you say,
I'm shaking? Can you please tell me? I won't tell anyone,
I swear, And what do you say?

Speaker 17 (03:15:12):
I can't text anything?

Speaker 2 (03:15:13):
And then you say I'm so scared? And then what
does he say?

Speaker 17 (03:15:17):
I wasn't there?

Speaker 2 (03:15:18):
And you say, what's happening? And then what does Lito say?

Speaker 17 (03:15:21):
No, I wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (03:15:22):
You say, I'm so scared, Leto, what's happening? Please answer me?

Speaker 17 (03:15:25):
And then you say nothing is happening with John? Lito
says nothing is happening and then finally states one oh
one nothing is happening.

Speaker 2 (03:15:41):
And then you say, can you please? Can you call
me please when I get home? And he says yes,
And then you say leto his sister just texted me,
I'm so scared. I don't want to look, and you
said what did she says?

Speaker 17 (03:15:54):
What did she say? I swipe it?

Speaker 2 (03:15:56):
And then you say, I DK, I don't know. I'm
so scared, and Lido says.

Speaker 24 (03:16:00):
Yes, don't answer anyone.

Speaker 2 (03:16:04):
Now, McKenzie. Prior to you text messaging Lido, did he
ever mention anything about going to Florida before you went
to the party at Laurel Glenn or anything at all
going to Florida on vacation or going to Florida the
next day? No, the first time you heard about him

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going to Florida was in these text messages.

Speaker 4 (03:16:26):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:16:28):
After this text message conversation with Leedo, did you have
any other communication with him?

Speaker 17 (03:16:32):
As I was still in the car, I called him.
He answered, and for about less than two minutes, I
continued to ask him what was going on, I'm hearing
all these things. What's happening, What's going on?

Speaker 2 (03:16:46):
What was his response?

Speaker 17 (03:16:47):
He said, I wasn't there, I didn't do anything. Are
you what are you talking about, so.

Speaker 2 (03:16:53):
We kept denying that he was there, kept denying that
he did anything. Yes, And his phone call was before
or after you arrived at your house.

Speaker 17 (03:17:02):
It might have been. I was still sitting in the
car in the driveway.

Speaker 2 (03:17:07):
And for how long did it last?

Speaker 12 (03:17:08):
For?

Speaker 24 (03:17:09):
It was under two minutes, and I remember hearing voices
in the background.

Speaker 2 (03:17:13):
You're hearing voices in the background. Did you recognize those voices? No, Mackenzie,
When was the last time you saw Ledo prior to today?

Speaker 12 (03:17:21):
That night?

Speaker 2 (03:17:24):
Now, after the text messages with Leto and also the
conversation you had, did you realize at that point the
severity would occurred at forty three laure Old line.

Speaker 17 (03:17:32):
I was in shock, but I also didn't fully believe
that something bad had happened. I now at this point,
was thinking to myself, there must have been a fight
between boys, like a fistfight, and maybe a bunch of
kids got kind of beat up or black eyes and stuff.

Speaker 24 (03:17:52):
I didn't even think that anything else could have happened.

Speaker 2 (03:17:57):
I want to show you a photograph has been marked
with say fifty seven, and did you recognize because person raph?

Speaker 12 (03:18:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:18:10):
And who was that person?

Speaker 17 (03:18:12):
Jimmy McGrath and are you familiar with Jimmy. I grew
up with Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (03:18:19):
And at what point, Mackenzie, did you learn about what
happened that night to Jimmy.

Speaker 17 (03:18:25):
When I had gotten home, I went to bed. I
figured i'd wake up in the morning and it would
have died down, or you know, if there was a fight,
something would have died down.

Speaker 24 (03:18:34):
And I was woken up in the middle of the night.

Speaker 17 (03:18:38):
The police wanted to come question me, so I went
downstairs to my kitchen table with my sister, and I
remember my parents went to the door to open it
up for the police, and I just remember my mom screaming.
And then at this point I was like, what's going on?
Something seriously that must have happened. Still, I didn't know

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the extent to what had happened. So they sat down.
They just asked me about my day, like you're doing
by my night. And when they had left, my parents
had told me.

Speaker 14 (03:19:13):
That to me had passed.

Speaker 2 (03:19:15):
And what was your reaction to Kenzie.

Speaker 17 (03:19:19):
That was the worst news, the worst night of my life.
I fill to the floor. My entire family fell to
the floor, and it was just because I've ever received I.

Speaker 2 (03:19:31):
Just may have one moment. You're on out, so you
have no other questions.

Speaker 1 (03:19:36):
Thank you, Good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (03:19:38):
Is traff caanty we've never met before?

Speaker 4 (03:19:42):
Correct?

Speaker 16 (03:19:43):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:19:44):
Sorry?

Speaker 14 (03:19:44):
When I asked a questions, you just have to make
sure you answer out loud so that the quote before
it can catch you.

Speaker 4 (03:19:49):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:19:50):
And we got to compete also with this band up here.
That's going all right?

Speaker 12 (03:19:53):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:19:56):
So you told us that in May of twenty twenty two,
at that point you'd been dating mister Valley for about
three months. Yes, And you were a senior at that point,
fixing a graduate and he was a junior about to
go into his senior year, right yes. And you told
us as well that you had grown up and gone

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to Shelton schools, right, yes, and then you went to
Saint Joseph's High School in Trumbull after you'd gone through
the Shelton school system prior to that, right yes, And
that you'd grown up with Tyler Rich Yes. And I'm
just going to go through a list of names and
see if you know these folks. Okay. Did you know
a Jacob Villa Lobos?

Speaker 17 (03:20:39):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:20:40):
How did you know him?

Speaker 17 (03:20:42):
He was in all of my classes, middle school, intermediate, school.
We went to elementary school together. He was my good friend.

Speaker 14 (03:20:50):
Okay, did you know a Michael sam Perry?

Speaker 17 (03:20:54):
I believe he was maybe a grade or two below me.
I knew of him. I've probably hung out with him
a couple of times in group settings.

Speaker 14 (03:21:01):
Did you know a Sal Perry?

Speaker 16 (03:21:03):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (03:21:04):
Do you know?

Speaker 17 (03:21:05):
I also grew up with him. I've been to hip
House many times. He was another one of my really
good friends growing up.

Speaker 14 (03:21:13):
Did you know an Alex Bernson?

Speaker 17 (03:21:15):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 14 (03:21:17):
Did you know a Matthew Lakovich?

Speaker 12 (03:21:19):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:21:20):
How did you know him?

Speaker 17 (03:21:21):
Once again? Family friends, grew up with him. I think
we dated in sixth grade.

Speaker 14 (03:21:27):
Okay, did you know Tie Wood?

Speaker 4 (03:21:36):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:21:36):
How did you know him?

Speaker 17 (03:21:38):
He was a grade or two below me and just
from being from Shelton. He's been at parties that I've
been at and stuff like that.

Speaker 14 (03:21:47):
Did you know Ryan Hines?

Speaker 2 (03:21:50):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:21:50):
Did you know Thomas Connery?

Speaker 4 (03:21:52):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:21:53):
How did you know him?

Speaker 17 (03:21:54):
He was in my sister's grade, in my sister's friend
group when she was also growing up.

Speaker 14 (03:22:00):
And did you know his brother Charles Connery?

Speaker 12 (03:22:03):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:22:04):
And how did you know him?

Speaker 17 (03:22:06):
He was Tommy's younger brother. He wasn't in my grade,
but I just knew his name. I've probably seen him
out multiple times as well.

Speaker 14 (03:22:16):
Did you know a person named Tanner Chernowski?

Speaker 17 (03:22:19):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:22:20):
How did you know Tanner?

Speaker 24 (03:22:21):
He was also from Shellen. He hung out with a
lot of my guy friends from Shellon.

Speaker 14 (03:22:27):
And you would consider yourself to be good friends with.

Speaker 17 (03:22:30):
Those people at the time.

Speaker 12 (03:22:31):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:22:34):
And you told us that you at some point received
a call from was it Rosie McGrath?

Speaker 17 (03:22:41):
I received a call from my whole school friend group.
Rosie had snapchatted me.

Speaker 14 (03:22:46):
Okay, and that was Jimmy McGrath's sister. Yes, so you
knew her the same way that you knew jim from
growing up.

Speaker 24 (03:22:53):
She was one of my good friends growing up as well.

Speaker 12 (03:22:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (03:22:58):
And do you still remain in contact with all those folks?

Speaker 4 (03:23:01):
No, none of them.

Speaker 14 (03:23:03):
When was the last time you talked with Jack Snyder.

Speaker 17 (03:23:08):
I may have seen him around lately in the last
couple of years when we went out in New Haven.
I would see his face, but we don't keep in
contact now.

Speaker 14 (03:23:19):
And you told us that you also knew Tyler Rich. Yes,
and that was because again you'd grown up with Tyler Rich. Yes,
And were your family's also friends.

Speaker 17 (03:23:29):
Our parents probably knew each other, and you told.

Speaker 14 (03:23:34):
Us about starting the night off. Well before starting the
night off, you were telling the state's attorney about the
night before this had been the prom, right yes. And
you'd gone to that problem with mister Valley. Yes, And
your parents didn't want you to go to the prom
house that was in upstate New York, right yes, And
so you spent the next day going to the beach

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with mister.

Speaker 17 (03:23:55):
Valley, right yes. Where was that Welford?

Speaker 14 (03:24:02):
And you went to the beach, you said, for a
few hours, and then you went back to mister Valley's house,
right yes. And following that you got a ride from
Jack Snyder and Tyler Da Silva over to five Lazybrook, Yes,
and that was Madigan Lifer's house, right Yes. She's the
older sister of Austin. And you knew Madigan through lacrosse,

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right yes. Did you say that your father was a
lacrosse coach for Madigan.

Speaker 24 (03:24:28):
He was a lacrosse coach for my entire grade. So
a bunch of girls, including Rosie, was on the team.

Speaker 14 (03:24:36):
And this was a girl's lacrosse party, correct.

Speaker 24 (03:24:40):
The party was not a girls lacrosse party, I don't believe.

Speaker 14 (03:24:43):
Did you see a lot of members of the girls
lacrosse team there?

Speaker 17 (03:24:47):
Some members who were juniors and a couple members who
were seniors.

Speaker 14 (03:24:52):
Was Madigan a junior or a senior? Did you know
inn Emily Robinson?

Speaker 2 (03:24:57):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:25:00):
If I asked you this already, I apologize. Did you
know Ryan Hines?

Speaker 6 (03:25:04):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:25:04):
I did not.

Speaker 14 (03:25:06):
But you did tell us that you knew face on
teal right? Yes, and you didn't see any sort of
a fight at five Lazybrooke, right, I didn't know. But
you saw that picture before of what you identified as
mister Snyder and mister Valley. Right, yes, but you don't
know when that picture was taken?

Speaker 24 (03:25:25):
Is that fair to say I didn't know when it
was taken.

Speaker 14 (03:25:28):
You do know when it was taken?

Speaker 16 (03:25:30):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:25:30):
How do you know when it was taken?

Speaker 17 (03:25:32):
I remember the boys coming back from the garage, and
that's when they looked like they were dressed up like that,
And I remember that picture being taken.

Speaker 14 (03:25:42):
Remember telling us before that you weren't watching mister Valley
throughout the night. No, I wasn't. But now you're telling
us that you're sure that you know when that photo
was taken. Yes, Yes, when did you see mister Valley
put the neck pillow on?

Speaker 24 (03:25:59):
I don't remember him putting it on. I just remember
seeing him with it on.

Speaker 2 (03:26:03):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:26:03):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:26:03):
When did you see mister Valley put the helmet on?

Speaker 24 (03:26:06):
I don't remember when he put it on.

Speaker 6 (03:26:08):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:26:11):
And at some point missus Lifer comes and breaks up
the party, right, yes, and tells everybody time to go
clear out, and you guys all leave the party, yes,
go get into mister Snyder's car.

Speaker 16 (03:26:26):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (03:26:27):
And that was the seven of you that you've described
to us, correct, Yes, And at that point the plan
for the night had been to go to the Lifer's house,
but now it changed because that party was over, right, yes,
And there was no plan at that point to go
anywhere specific?

Speaker 24 (03:26:44):
Is that there seemed like there was a plan to
go to Trumble High School?

Speaker 6 (03:26:48):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (03:26:50):
At some point you became aware that folks were planning
to go there. But when the party broke up, that
was that had not been the plan already, right, That
was sort of an impromptu what are we going to
do now kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (03:27:01):
Yes, okay, And.

Speaker 14 (03:27:02):
Then you got over to Trumbull High School and you
said that there were maybe forty or so people that
had been over at five Lazybrooke, Right. Yes, those forty
people didn't all go to Trumbull High School.

Speaker 17 (03:27:16):
Right, not all of them. But there was a good
amount of people at Trumple High School.

Speaker 14 (03:27:21):
Okay, more than two cars.

Speaker 4 (03:27:23):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:27:25):
And you said there were tons of underclassmen at the party, right.

Speaker 17 (03:27:28):
Yes, he told us at the Lazybrook party, at the
Laesybrog party.

Speaker 14 (03:27:32):
Yes, he told us. You remembered one of them was Sydney.

Speaker 4 (03:27:35):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:27:36):
How did you know Sydney?

Speaker 24 (03:27:37):
She was just a friend of mine. She was a
senior as well.

Speaker 14 (03:27:40):
Okay, was that Sidney Whims?

Speaker 18 (03:27:42):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:27:46):
And once you got to Trumbull High School, you said, Well,
you said, on the way to Trumbull High School, four
of you squeezed into the back seat of the car, right, yes,
and Jack was driving and Tyler was in the Patisinger

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seat in the front.

Speaker 12 (03:28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (03:28:09):
And you told us that you had lapped up in
the back, meaning you were sitting in mister Balley's lap.

Speaker 17 (03:28:13):
I believe so.

Speaker 14 (03:28:18):
And then at some point the decision was made to
leave from Trumbull High School, right, yes. And you thought
they were going to take you home yep, because there
was no plan at that point to go anywhere else, right, Yes.
At that point you guys had had the party at
five Lazy Brook, which was really the plan for the night,

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and that had ended right yep. And then you went
to Trumbull High School thinking well, maybe the party can
be extended, I think you said, And ultimately that fizzled
out too, right, And you think it was just about
twenty five minutes that you spent there at trumble High School. Yes,
And the vibe on the way there was light, there

(03:29:00):
was music playing.

Speaker 17 (03:29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (03:29:02):
And you described later on in the evening when you're
driving in your sister's car that the music was playing loudly, right, yah.
Was the music also playing loudly in the car on
the way there, Yes, So no matter whose car you
were in, it sounds like the music is being played loudly.
Is that fair to say? Yes, not worried about your hearing, Sorry,

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say again, at this age you're not worried about your hearing.
And then while you're sitting in the second row after
getting back into the car to leave Trumpell High School,
it's the four of you squeezed in again, right, yes,
And you're sitting back and Roll's lap yep. And there's

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one person who's in the trunk area, right, and that's Demetrius.

Speaker 17 (03:29:49):
I wasn't sure who was in the trunk out of
the boys.

Speaker 14 (03:29:51):
Okay, but somebody was back there. Yes, wasn't really room
for much more than one person back there, right?

Speaker 17 (03:29:57):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:29:58):
And then you realized as you passed by the reservoir
that you were not going to your home? Is that
fair to say?

Speaker 17 (03:30:05):
You were headed in the direction of the reservoir, and
I guess before you you pass it, you have an
option to turn left into ising glass.

Speaker 14 (03:30:16):
That's what you were expecting, was that you were going
to turn there and that would keep you going in
the direction towards your home.

Speaker 17 (03:30:21):
Sorry, driving by the reservoir would have taken me more
towards my home. So when we turned I realized we
were not going back to my house.

Speaker 14 (03:30:30):
Because to that point there had been no discussion of
going anywhere else. Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (03:30:36):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:30:39):
And then you changed roots and you said that the
vibe in the car had changed. You remember telling us not? Yes,
And you said it seemed like the boys were set
on going to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 6 (03:30:49):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:30:50):
Did you know at that point that you were going
to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (03:30:54):
They had made it, they had made me aware. I
guess they had stated thought they were headed over there.

Speaker 14 (03:31:04):
They knew that that was Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (03:31:07):
They must have known.

Speaker 14 (03:31:08):
They said, we're going to Tyler Rich's house. Yes, to
your knowledge, did mister Valley know Tyler Rich? To my knowledge, no,
mister Valley did not go to Shelton schools and grow
up with these same kids that you've described. But you

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yourself said you'd grown up with Tyler Rich and you've
been to his house a ton of times. Right, Yes,
did you start to recognize that you were on your
way to Tyler Rich's house while the ride was a curring.

Speaker 17 (03:31:42):
I'm not great with backroads, but I believe we were
headed in the direction of that area in town.

Speaker 14 (03:31:50):
And you said the two boys in the front made
it known that we were going to Tyler Rich's house. Yes,
that was Jack Snyder and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 12 (03:31:57):
Right.

Speaker 14 (03:31:58):
Yes, you were still sitting in mister Valley's lab.

Speaker 17 (03:32:01):
Yes, and I had then after moved to the back.

Speaker 14 (03:32:05):
But at this point, as while you're going there, you're
still sitting in this Valley's lab. Yes, he didn't make
it known to you that you were going to Tyler
Rich's house.

Speaker 2 (03:32:13):
Did he No?

Speaker 14 (03:32:15):
And you said you objected multiple times that you didn't
want to go to Tyler Rich's house. Yes, because you
knew all these kids, right, You'd grown up with these kids, right, Yeah,
you didn't want to have a confrontation with these kids.

Speaker 4 (03:32:29):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:32:30):
And you were upset that mister Valley didn't object or
stand up for you, right, Yes, And he said Jack
Snyder and Tyler and de Silva in the front were
pushing for it, and that Jack Snyder was adamant.

Speaker 17 (03:32:40):
About going, right, just both of them, not one over
the other, but yeah, they were adamant about going.

Speaker 14 (03:32:46):
Both Jack Snyder and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 12 (03:32:48):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:32:52):
And so you contacted your sister Madison, right, yes, and
you started to make plans, Hey, can you come pick
me up? I don't want to be here?

Speaker 12 (03:32:59):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:33:02):
Did she acknowledge that and say okay, I'll be right there.

Speaker 17 (03:33:04):
She acknowledged it.

Speaker 14 (03:33:05):
Yes, And shortly thereafter you arrived at what you recognized
at that point as being Tyler Rich's house. Yes, because
you've been there a number of times before.

Speaker 2 (03:33:15):
Ye.

Speaker 14 (03:33:16):
And when you got there, was there anyone in the
front yard.

Speaker 17 (03:33:20):
I think I probably saw briefly a group per forming
in the front yard until I ducked down in the.

Speaker 14 (03:33:25):
Back and you said you had to climb over the
back seat to get into the trunk area. Yes, did
Demetrius make room for you back there? Yes, he was
still back there.

Speaker 17 (03:33:36):
If it was Demetrius who was back there, then yes,
the one person who was also in the back made
room for me.

Speaker 14 (03:33:41):
Okay, So at this point there's two of you in
the back trunk area now there is, yes, and you
climb back there because you were scared of what was
about to happen? Is that fair to say yes? Because
people started to pour out of the house, right, Yes,
It wasn't just that you were embarrassed, like, oh man,
I don't want these people to see me here they
know me.

Speaker 17 (03:33:58):
It wasn't that, right, I was embarrassed. I did not
want to be seen.

Speaker 14 (03:34:02):
But it wasn't just that you were embarrassed. Is that
fair to say? I guess, yeah, started to fear what
might occur. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (03:34:11):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:34:12):
Because these people were pouring out of the house and
there were more and more of them coming, right.

Speaker 17 (03:34:19):
Didn't seem like there was like more and more coming?
It seemed like people were kind of outside already.

Speaker 14 (03:34:25):
Okay, how many people did it seem like?

Speaker 17 (03:34:27):
Were there twenty five kids? Maybe?

Speaker 14 (03:34:30):
Okay, but they didn't all they weren't twenty five kids.
When you pulled up right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 17 (03:34:37):
I didn't have a good fear for my backseat.

Speaker 14 (03:34:38):
So okay, And these twenty five kids, they didn't just
stay in the driveway, did they.

Speaker 17 (03:34:46):
They were crowding around the car.

Speaker 14 (03:34:48):
They surrounded the vehicle right, Yes, started pounding on the vehicle.

Speaker 17 (03:34:53):
There were noises. I don't know if it was pounding,
if people were throwing things at the vehicle.

Speaker 14 (03:34:58):
But you couldn't see what was happening because you were
duck down in the back, Yes, duck down with your
head tuck so that you weren't looking at anything out
the windows.

Speaker 17 (03:35:08):
I was in a position where if I wanted to,
I could probably pop up. That's when I saw Faison
and said.

Speaker 14 (03:35:15):
Hi to him. And when you said hi to him,
did you think, okay, everything's going.

Speaker 4 (03:35:20):
To be okay?

Speaker 2 (03:35:21):
Now?

Speaker 24 (03:35:22):
It seemed like a friendly encounter between the two of us.

Speaker 14 (03:35:24):
Did it stay a friendly encounter between the vehicle and
the people outside?

Speaker 17 (03:35:29):
I really noticed that near the front of the vehicle.
There was some confrontation going on between whoever was on
the outside of the window and Jack Snyder, so.

Speaker 14 (03:35:38):
It didn't remain a peaceful encounter between the people inside
the vehicle and the people outside the vehicles.

Speaker 4 (03:35:44):
That fair?

Speaker 17 (03:35:45):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:35:46):
And could you when you would pop your head up,
could you see people surrounding the car?

Speaker 4 (03:35:53):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:35:57):
Was mister Valley still seated in front of you now
in the rear seat where he had been where you'd
previously been in his lap?

Speaker 17 (03:36:05):
I believe so.

Speaker 14 (03:36:07):
And was his window down?

Speaker 11 (03:36:09):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:36:11):
Was he screaming things out that window?

Speaker 24 (03:36:14):
I don't remember.

Speaker 14 (03:36:19):
Was Tyler de Silva screaming things in the front?

Speaker 17 (03:36:22):
I think there was noise coming from some of the
boys in the car who were in the first row,
in the second row, it was kind of combined noise
from all of them.

Speaker 14 (03:36:32):
When people surrounded the vehicle, did you become more scared?

Speaker 16 (03:36:35):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (03:36:37):
Why because I couldn't see very well.

Speaker 17 (03:36:41):
But as the only girl in the entire in this
entire environment, this is not a place that I wanted
to be surrounded by a bunch of football boys who
are big and scary.

Speaker 14 (03:36:54):
And could you see their faces?

Speaker 7 (03:36:57):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:36:59):
Did you you feel the car rocking or shaking.

Speaker 17 (03:37:04):
At one point, I just maybe whether it was rocking
or things being thrown out the car, I definitely felt
it felt raltic.

Speaker 14 (03:37:14):
Did you want to get out of the car?

Speaker 12 (03:37:16):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:37:17):
Did you want to get out of the car right
there where it was?

Speaker 17 (03:37:20):
I was planning on getting out of the car as
soon as we drove away.

Speaker 14 (03:37:23):
You were planning on getting out of the car as
soon as it was safe.

Speaker 11 (03:37:25):
Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (03:37:26):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:37:27):
Didn't seem safe. Do you get out of the car
right there where it was? Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (03:37:30):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:37:34):
And you said somebody approached Jack Snyder's window and there
was some kind of a confrontation, right yes. Did you
hear glass shatter at any point?

Speaker 17 (03:37:49):
I heard a lot of commotion. I couldn't identify exactly
what the commotion was coming from.

Speaker 14 (03:37:56):
But you do remember banging on the car, right, yes,
and laying down in the trunk.

Speaker 17 (03:38:01):
You told us, right, I was crouched down. I might
have been on sitting crouched. I'm not exactly sure if
I which way I was crouched, but I definitely was crouched.

Speaker 14 (03:38:14):
Because at this point, you're terrified about what's happening, right
I was scared? Yes, were you worried that someone was
going to break a window out.

Speaker 17 (03:38:26):
I was worried if we hadn't gotten it out of
there soon enough, it was going to escalate.

Speaker 24 (03:38:30):
And I didn't want to be in the car when that.

Speaker 14 (03:38:32):
Happened, that it was going to escalate, and what would happen?

Speaker 17 (03:38:34):
Boys would start fighting in front of me.

Speaker 14 (03:38:38):
Were you worried you might be dragged out of the car?

Speaker 7 (03:38:40):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:38:41):
And you said this lasted a couple of minutes at
the most.

Speaker 4 (03:38:44):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:38:45):
And you said there was a little chaos going on, right. Yes,
it was more than a little chaos, wasn't it.

Speaker 17 (03:38:52):
It was loud, there were a lot of people, a
lot of boys. It was definitely scary.

Speaker 14 (03:38:58):
You said, these were all big foot ball guys, right, Yes,
and it was a little scary.

Speaker 17 (03:39:06):
I was scared at the moment, But I also didn't
think that I was going to get hurt. I didn't
think anyone was going to hurt me.

Speaker 14 (03:39:11):
Had you ever been as scared as that in your life?

Speaker 8 (03:39:16):
No?

Speaker 17 (03:39:18):
Sorry, I take that back. I wasn't. I wasn't like
super super super scared, just because I felt like I
was safe in the backseat.

Speaker 14 (03:39:26):
You felt safe in the back seat.

Speaker 17 (03:39:29):
Yeah, For the time being, I wasn't interacting with anyone outside.

Speaker 14 (03:39:32):
Okay, and then at some point the car drives off
gets out of this being surrounded situation. Is that fair?

Speaker 17 (03:39:44):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:39:45):
Did you feel relief?

Speaker 4 (03:39:47):
Yes, great relief? Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:39:50):
Had you ever felt relief like that.

Speaker 4 (03:39:51):
In your life?

Speaker 17 (03:39:53):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (03:39:58):
And you don't remember the car driving up and down,
back and forth on Laurel Glinn Drive, Right, No.

Speaker 17 (03:40:05):
I just remember immediately getting out and walking to the
end of the road.

Speaker 14 (03:40:09):
And you don't remember people in the vehicle throwing things
out the windows.

Speaker 21 (03:40:14):
That fair?

Speaker 14 (03:40:15):
Yes, And the car stops and we saw that on
exhibit forty four, right, yes, And we saw you get
out and walk down to the end of the street
and sit on the curb. And then you identified Jack
or you identified Tyler and Silver that is, and mister

(03:40:36):
Valley as also being out of the car. Correct.

Speaker 17 (03:40:38):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:40:41):
Did you remember that a group of the Shelton High
kids came down the street.

Speaker 17 (03:40:46):
I didn't remember anyone specifically. I didn't remember seeing anyone's faces.

Speaker 14 (03:40:51):
After you watched exhibit forty four, did that refresh your
recollection of what occurred that night?

Speaker 17 (03:40:57):
I remember maybe commotion around me. I was sitting on
the curb on the phone, and I wasn't involved in
the commotion, so I didn't see anyone specifically coming up
to us.

Speaker 14 (03:41:08):
Now, fair to say your attention was hyper focused on
trying to get your sister there as quickly as possible. Yes,
The main thing on your mind was you wanted to
get out of there as badly as possible. Yes, because
you were scared of being there any longer.

Speaker 12 (03:41:23):
Right.

Speaker 14 (03:41:25):
And you said you were very upset and angry. Right, Yeah,
And you told the State's Journey you don't recall crying.

Speaker 17 (03:41:32):
I don't remember for sure, but I cry a lot,
So I mean it could have happened, okay.

Speaker 14 (03:41:40):
And again, you were angry in part because you felt
like Raoul hadn't stood up for you when you had
objected to come in here in the first place.

Speaker 17 (03:41:47):
Right, It wasn't just about him. I was just angry
at everyone in the car who decided.

Speaker 6 (03:41:52):
To go there.

Speaker 14 (03:41:54):
Okay. But you're angry, you told us before. As far
as it was directed at Raoul was because he hadn't
stood up for you when you'd objected and said I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:42:01):
Want to go here.

Speaker 17 (03:42:02):
That was one of the reasons I was angry.

Speaker 14 (03:42:04):
Yes, you're also angry with Jack Snyder and Tyler da
Silva for having driven you over there.

Speaker 12 (03:42:10):
Right.

Speaker 14 (03:42:11):
Yes, when you were in that car and it was
surrounded by all those folks, was there any way for
you to make that car go anywhere?

Speaker 2 (03:42:20):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:42:22):
Did it seem safe for you to stay there where
that car was?

Speaker 12 (03:42:27):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:42:28):
Did the folks on the outside of that car did
you feel like it was going to stop them? Just
the vehicle itself?

Speaker 12 (03:42:40):
Say that again?

Speaker 14 (03:42:41):
Sure, as they're attacking the car. Did you think we're safe,
We're fine, these guys will stop.

Speaker 12 (03:42:46):
No.

Speaker 17 (03:42:46):
I wanted to get out of there.

Speaker 14 (03:42:50):
Did you see Tyler Rich at any point when the
car was surrounded.

Speaker 17 (03:42:54):
I think I might have seen his face. If I
saw a couple of faces, it would probably be him
and Faison.

Speaker 14 (03:43:03):
Did you have any interactions with Tyler Rich? And once
that car stopped, you said you crawled over the seat
right to get out of the trunk area, right, Yes, sorry, okay,
And that's when we saw you walking down the street. Yes,
sat on the curb, called your sister medicine to make
sure she was on her way. Yes, And then again

(03:43:28):
you said you were slumped over in a little bubble,
just texting your sister, right, Yes, trying as much as
possible to keep things together for yourself. What do you mean,
keep things together to keep from panicking.

Speaker 17 (03:43:42):
I was trying to get out there as soon as possible.

Speaker 14 (03:43:45):
Okay, with some panics starting to set in. Did you
feel panicked?

Speaker 17 (03:43:48):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:43:50):
Did you feel some anxiety?

Speaker 24 (03:43:52):
I was mainly just angry, mainly just angry.

Speaker 14 (03:43:57):
And he said, you don't remember any talk about knife
when you were in the car, right, No, you didn't
see a knife when you were in the car. No,
he said, you weren't sure who, but you think you
heard some talk about a knife.

Speaker 17 (03:44:12):
I don't know if it was coming out of the
car or when everybody had crowded around the curb. I
remember hearing something about a knife.

Speaker 14 (03:44:24):
Was it Jack Snyder's voice.

Speaker 17 (03:44:26):
I don't recall if it was him.

Speaker 14 (03:44:28):
You don't recall if it was Rooul's voice. No, you
don't recall if it was Tyler de Silva's voice.

Speaker 12 (03:44:34):
No.

Speaker 17 (03:44:35):
It was kind of a conversation that I was overhearing from.
I wasn't directly like in that conversation.

Speaker 14 (03:44:43):
When you recall this conversation happening, how far away do
you think you were from where it was a caring.

Speaker 17 (03:44:52):
Probably a couple of fee. I was sitting on my
own on the curb, but it could have been a
couple fee.

Speaker 14 (03:44:57):
Why do you recall seeing any of the boys from
your group around the car inspecting the car for damage. No,
And you said, when you think you heard this talk
about the knife, you overlooked it and didn't think anything
of it. Yes, you didn't hear anybody from your group

(03:45:19):
making any threats about going back to the party to
kill somebody. No, you didn't hear your party anybody from
your group making any threats at all.

Speaker 12 (03:45:30):
No.

Speaker 14 (03:45:36):
And you offered all of these boys a ride home, Yes,
except for Jack Snyder. Right, Yes, because Jack Snyder was
the one driving the car. Right, And at some point
did you see Jack Snyder drive the vehicle off and
it left your field of vision?

Speaker 17 (03:45:54):
I just from the video that I was shown, I
saw that his car was driving Maybe I don't remember
his car driving off.

Speaker 14 (03:46:02):
So was there a time when you were on the
curb with the other people that had gotten out of
the car and Jack Snyder wasn't there because he had
driven off.

Speaker 17 (03:46:11):
I wasn't sure about his whereabouts And.

Speaker 14 (03:46:14):
You offered them a ride home with your sister. Yes,
she wasn't there at that point, right, No, you couldn't
see her anywhere. And you said that things were getting
hyped up a little bit at that point.

Speaker 17 (03:46:31):
So the kids that agreed to get into the car
and I would give them a ride home, they were
just sitting on the curb with me, I would say,
only Tyler and Ledo seemed like they were getting hyped up.

Speaker 14 (03:46:43):
When you say getting hyped up a little bit? What
were they doing?

Speaker 17 (03:46:49):
They were just loud. I asked them multiple times, Hey,
I'm let me give you guys a ride home. Let's
go home, and they were repeating multiple times. Did you
seemed adrenaline?

Speaker 1 (03:47:03):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (03:47:04):
And where was Jack Snyder in the car at that point?
I'm not sure.

Speaker 24 (03:47:07):
Maybe behind us, I'm not sure where he was.

Speaker 14 (03:47:12):
At some point you became aware that the car had
come back from wherever it had gone, that you didn't see.

Speaker 17 (03:47:17):
It, right, I honestly wasn't paying attention to his car.
I don't know where his car was at that moment.

Speaker 14 (03:47:24):
Okay, did you see mister Valley and mister d Silva
get back into Jack Snyder's vehicle?

Speaker 24 (03:47:32):
I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (03:47:33):
I was.

Speaker 24 (03:47:35):
I didn't know if they were on foot or if
they had drove in the car back.

Speaker 1 (03:47:39):
Yeah, So you.

Speaker 14 (03:47:40):
Didn't see them get back into the vehicle.

Speaker 17 (03:47:43):
Yeah, I don't remember seeing them.

Speaker 14 (03:47:45):
And you're still sitting on the curb at that point. Yes,
And you said you could tell there were fifty guys
and it was scary and nothing good was going to happen. Yes,
And those fifty guys as you described them, that would
be the Shelton kids, right, Yes, because there were only

(03:48:06):
seven of you in that vehicle.

Speaker 6 (03:48:07):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (03:48:08):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:48:10):
And then as you're down there on the curb with
Keenan Freysich, Dimitriofanas and Will Sindwald, he told us you
heard noise from forty three Laurel Glen Drive, right, Yes,
but you couldn't see anything, right, No, because you were
that far away. Yes, so you never saw a large
crowd of people fighting in the yard of forty three

(03:48:31):
Lao Glen Drive.

Speaker 7 (03:48:32):
No.

Speaker 14 (03:48:33):
But while that's going on and you can't see anything,
but you can hear it, you're still on the curb
waiting for your sister to come.

Speaker 17 (03:48:40):
Yes, at the other end of the street.

Speaker 14 (03:48:41):
Are you getting panicked at that point? About when is
she coming? Is she coming?

Speaker 17 (03:48:46):
No, I think I had her location, and I thought
she was like a minute away, two minutes away.

Speaker 14 (03:48:51):
Oh okay, you could see on your phone where her
location was.

Speaker 17 (03:48:54):
If not, if I didn't have her location at that point,
I had just asked her to text at her.

Speaker 14 (03:48:59):
And she was also familiar with this area from the
same way that you were, because families had grown up
and that sort of thing. Yes, And when she pulled up,
you still could not see mister Snyder, mister d Silva
or mister Valley.

Speaker 24 (03:49:16):
Right, I didn't see them like face space now.

Speaker 14 (03:49:19):
And you got into the car in the front passenger seat. Yes,
your sister drives or at that time drove a Volkswagen. Yes,
And mister Fraysich, mister our finest. They get into the
backseat right, Yes, you said, mister Sindwald. He was waiting
to see if his girlfriend was going to come and
pick him up. So you guys are kind of sitting
there waiting for that to resolve itself. As far as

(03:49:41):
mister Sinchwald's ride, Yes, when you see the pilot pull
back up, is that right?

Speaker 17 (03:49:46):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:49:48):
And mister Valley got out and you said he came
up to your window.

Speaker 12 (03:49:53):
I didn't.

Speaker 17 (03:49:53):
By the way, I see the pilot drive up, okay.
I saw it leto somehow here next to the driver's
side sorry, a passenger side window.

Speaker 14 (03:50:03):
Okay, So you didn't see the pilot. You just saw
mister Valley appear there to the side.

Speaker 17 (03:50:08):
The pilot was in front of me. I didn't see
if it like come back towards me or anything like that.

Speaker 14 (03:50:13):
Okay. And he asked, Maddie, can I get a ride home?

Speaker 12 (03:50:17):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:50:19):
And then you said he got into the back seat
right yes. How quick was that interaction?

Speaker 17 (03:50:27):
Literally? Just hey, can I have a ride home? And
he got right back in the back seat.

Speaker 14 (03:50:30):
And then he was sitting in the back seat behind you. Yes,
you were pissed off at him.

Speaker 12 (03:50:36):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:50:38):
Had you ever been that angry in your life?

Speaker 17 (03:50:41):
I was pretty angry. I've been angry before.

Speaker 6 (03:50:44):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (03:50:45):
Fair enough.

Speaker 14 (03:50:47):
You were at least so angry that you didn't want
to talk to mister Valley.

Speaker 16 (03:50:51):
Is that fair?

Speaker 17 (03:50:51):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:50:52):
You didn't want to look at mister Valley.

Speaker 4 (03:50:54):
Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (03:50:54):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:50:56):
And so you didn't look at mister Valley.

Speaker 17 (03:50:58):
Correct.

Speaker 14 (03:50:59):
So you didn't have anything more than this quick interaction
with him at the window in order to observe him
at all. Was that fair? Yes, so you couldn't see
whether or not he was injured correcked. And on the
ride you said the music was up playing loudly.

Speaker 4 (03:51:20):
Go to be young.

Speaker 14 (03:51:22):
And you're driving, music playing loudly and there's no talking
going on in the car.

Speaker 6 (03:51:26):
Is that right?

Speaker 14 (03:51:27):
Yes, you're not talking to Maddie at all in the
front No, but you don't hear anything that's being discussed
in the seat behind you.

Speaker 16 (03:51:34):
Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (03:51:35):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:51:36):
And then Maddie takes and drops off Keenan and Demetrius
together in Trumble.

Speaker 1 (03:51:42):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:51:43):
How long did that take to get there?

Speaker 17 (03:51:46):
Five minutes?

Speaker 14 (03:51:47):
That was close?

Speaker 4 (03:51:48):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:51:50):
And then you went to take mister Valley home right, yes,
fifteen minutes max to get from Trumble to Milford. No talking, No,
you're still angry. Yes, you got there, dropped him off.
You still didn't want to talk to him. Yes, you
say he asked you to step out, You just ignored

(03:52:12):
that and left right ocked. Then you said, texts start up,
rumors are going around, talk of a stabbing in a
group FaceTime call righted?

Speaker 4 (03:52:24):
A lot of.

Speaker 14 (03:52:25):
Confusion, yes.

Speaker 6 (03:52:31):
And then.

Speaker 14 (03:52:33):
Now as you're riding home to your house from mister
Valley's you started to text with mister Valley. Yes, and
we saw those texts and exhibits ninety seven through one
hundred and one, right, yes, and those are coming pretty
fast and furious.

Speaker 2 (03:52:48):
Right.

Speaker 14 (03:52:48):
Yes, you're texting one after another after another. He starts
responding back, right, Yes, you were scared.

Speaker 1 (03:52:57):
Yes, you said.

Speaker 14 (03:53:03):
Something about if my parents find out you were panicking
at that point, right, Yes. And did it seem to
you from the demeanor of those texts with mister Valley,
that he was panicking as well.

Speaker 7 (03:53:17):
Jack.

Speaker 23 (03:53:19):
It's asking about appeared how it appeared?

Speaker 12 (03:53:22):
Did it seem all answer?

Speaker 24 (03:53:27):
He was answering very weirdly. I didn't know what he
was saying.

Speaker 14 (03:53:31):
It was not the way you normally talked with him,
was it. No, And the answers didn't make any sense
to you, did they. No, you'd been there with him, right, Yes.
And we talked before about whether or not you have
a nickname. Do people sometimes call you kens or Kinsy?

Speaker 4 (03:53:53):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (03:53:55):
And we see that in some of these right, he's
saying please kins right, yes, and you're pleading with him
to tell you what's going on, right, Yes, And this
is all just on the ride back from dropping him
off to your house, right, Yes, and that takes.

Speaker 17 (03:54:14):
Fifteen minutes, Yeah, at the most, probably fifth when I
make a trip to Milford, I would say like eighteen minutes.

Speaker 18 (03:54:28):
And so.

Speaker 14 (03:54:29):
But this didn't start immediately once you got into the car.
You didn't start immediately texting.

Speaker 17 (03:54:33):
With him, right, No, I had that group FaceTime call,
I had received texts, and then that's when I had
initiated the texting.

Speaker 14 (03:54:39):
So how long do you think it took for all
of those texts to go back and forth?

Speaker 17 (03:54:45):
Ten minutes? Maybe max?

Speaker 14 (03:54:47):
Max?

Speaker 12 (03:54:48):
Right?

Speaker 14 (03:54:49):
Because these are going back and forth, back and forth,
you're peppering him with questions. He's given you responses that
don't make any sense to you. Yes, And that's not
the way mister Valley normally would text with you. No,
And you said, so scared what's going on? I won't
tell anyone, I swear right. Yes, And you said that

(03:55:09):
when you'd been together earlier in the day, he hadn't
mentioned anything about going to Florida. No, were you aware
that there was a plan for the family to go
to Florida? No? And you called him, you said, and
he answered and talked to you for two minutes. Yes,

(03:55:30):
And his demeanor when you were talking to him. Did
he seem panicked?

Speaker 17 (03:55:36):
He kept saying, nothing's going on, nothing's happening, Stop panicking,
nothing's happening.

Speaker 14 (03:55:43):
Did that seem scared to you?

Speaker 17 (03:55:46):
That was very weird.

Speaker 24 (03:55:47):
I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 14 (03:55:49):
Didn't make any sense to you, did it?

Speaker 12 (03:55:50):
No, it didn't.

Speaker 14 (03:55:52):
He was telling you I wasn't there, right, Yes, that
didn't make any sense to you, did it.

Speaker 7 (03:55:57):
No?

Speaker 14 (03:55:58):
You kept telling him that he was right. Yes, And
that was the last time that you saw mister Valley.

Speaker 24 (03:56:04):
Yeah, that's the last time we saw each other.

Speaker 14 (03:56:06):
And he told us that was the worst night of
your life.

Speaker 12 (03:56:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (03:56:09):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:56:11):
Officers came to talk to you that early that same
or early the next morning, Yes, before the sun was up,
and you told them everything that you knew about it.

Speaker 4 (03:56:22):
Right, yep.

Speaker 1 (03:56:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:56:27):
A redraft.

Speaker 12 (03:56:40):
For a moment.

Speaker 2 (03:56:44):
A minute afternoon resas, we'll be back in fifteen. Thank
you for its dancing.

Speaker 6 (03:56:50):
Recess.

Speaker 12 (03:56:52):
The gentlemen of the gum.

Speaker 2 (03:57:04):
Also, please stipulate to the presence of our jury. All right,
I'll ask this stipulations.

Speaker 14 (03:57:10):
They came in a different order than usual.

Speaker 3 (03:57:11):
Threw me up, all right, So at this point I
would ask the state to please call us next witness.

Speaker 2 (03:57:17):
Think you're out of the state called Taylor capellative Stam.
Please please step up into the witness talks. Please remain standing, Thank.

Speaker 7 (03:57:27):
You, thank you, Please use your hand.

Speaker 1 (03:57:28):
Do you saw me swear solem me and sincerely affirmed
in the case.

Speaker 7 (03:57:31):
Maybe at the evidence you shall give concerning this case
shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth.

Speaker 4 (03:57:35):
So helpe you God, are upon penalty of perjury.

Speaker 7 (03:57:37):
If so, please say I do.

Speaker 4 (03:57:39):
Thank you. Please state your full name, spelling, your last
name and address.

Speaker 7 (03:57:42):
For the record.

Speaker 12 (03:57:43):
Thank you, thank you, honor.

Speaker 2 (03:57:49):
Hi Taylor, how are you doing today? I'm good. I
think as I explained before when we met previously, that
this court was very, very difficult here. There's a lot
of fans going on. Just your voice of as much
as possib then also, if you can sit close to
the microphone, that'd be great, okay, And if you need
to take a break for anytime, water whatnot? Just let
us go now, Taylor, how are you feeling today?

Speaker 17 (03:58:09):
Nervous?

Speaker 2 (03:58:09):
Nervous? And why are you feeling nervous just.

Speaker 12 (03:58:11):
Because it's living the most plodic traumatic day? Taylor?

Speaker 2 (03:58:17):
How old are you and previous today? Do you recall
us meeting and speaking and why did we do that?

Speaker 17 (03:58:24):
In this case?

Speaker 2 (03:58:25):
Do we go over your testimony? And did I tell
you to just tell the truth and nothing about the truth?
Did I tell you what to say here today? Are
you prepared to testify today?

Speaker 12 (03:58:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:58:34):
If do you go to school? And if so, where
do you go?

Speaker 12 (03:58:36):
Go to? East Carolina University in North Carolina?

Speaker 2 (03:58:39):
And other than in school, you live in Shelton, Connecticut?
And who do you live there? O?

Speaker 12 (03:58:44):
Love is my parents?

Speaker 2 (03:58:46):
And what year are you in school?

Speaker 12 (03:58:48):
I'm going into my junior year.

Speaker 2 (03:58:50):
And what is your major?

Speaker 12 (03:58:51):
I'm a criminal justice major.

Speaker 2 (03:58:53):
What are you doing for the summer time? Are you
out of school?

Speaker 12 (03:58:55):
Yeah? Just bebysitting right now while I'm home.

Speaker 2 (03:58:58):
And other than with drawn, how long have you been
living in Shelton for your whole life?

Speaker 12 (03:59:02):
My whole life?

Speaker 2 (03:59:05):
What high school did you attend shelllond High School? And
what year did you graduate Shelton High School twenty twenty three?
Directing your attention to the year of twenty twenty twenty two,
were you a student of Sheldon High School at that time? Yes?

Speaker 17 (03:59:18):
And what year were you I was a junior.

Speaker 2 (03:59:20):
You're a rising senior, ye, and I am a director.
Attention specifically to May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Do
you remember that day? And why I do? It was.

Speaker 12 (03:59:33):
Probably the worst day I've ever experienced. It was salot
and I lost a very close friend that day.

Speaker 2 (03:59:43):
You can direct your attention to the nighttime hours of
May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Do you need a moment? Sorry, okay,
just breathe, take us up a water if you need to.
Directing your attention to the nighttime hours of May fourteenth
and twenty twenty two. Do you recall where you went
that night to Tyler Rich's house? Previous to going to
Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 12 (04:00:01):
What were you doing just going there to hang out?

Speaker 2 (04:00:05):
Do you go anywhere before you went to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 1 (04:00:07):
I was home?

Speaker 2 (04:00:08):
And how did you know to go to Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 12 (04:00:10):
My boyfriend at the time called me.

Speaker 4 (04:00:12):
And I was told to go.

Speaker 2 (04:00:14):
And who was your boyfriend at the time, Matthew Lokovich?
Matthew Lockovich? And were you familiar with Tyler Rich's house?
Had you been there previously? About how many times previously
had you been there?

Speaker 12 (04:00:24):
Just like a handful of times, not too many.

Speaker 2 (04:00:27):
Did you go to school with Tyler Rich same grade?

Speaker 12 (04:00:30):
He was a grade above me?

Speaker 2 (04:00:33):
And how did you get to Tyler Rich's house that night?

Speaker 12 (04:00:36):
I drove there?

Speaker 2 (04:00:37):
And do you recall what car you drove?

Speaker 12 (04:00:39):
Is a BMW?

Speaker 2 (04:00:41):
And at what time did you arrive at Tyler Rich's
house on May fourteenth to twenty twenty two?

Speaker 12 (04:00:45):
I'd say around tennish ten m yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:00:49):
And do you call the address that you drove to
forty three.

Speaker 12 (04:00:53):
Laurel Ge.

Speaker 2 (04:00:56):
Shelton.

Speaker 21 (04:00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (04:00:56):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:00:58):
And when you arrived at Tyler Rich's house, where did.

Speaker 12 (04:01:00):
You park on the side of the street. I think
it was on the right side.

Speaker 2 (04:01:06):
Okay, I'm gonna be showing you an exhibit. And if
this isn't If this is, if it does not demonstrate
where you park, just let me know.

Speaker 21 (04:01:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:01:14):
So States is the bit forty nine. You can see
it on your little screen up there. At one moment.
Do you recognize this area?

Speaker 12 (04:01:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (04:01:25):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:01:26):
Do you recognize in States forty nine the house on
the left hand side I think exhibit as being Tyler
Ridges House. Yes, when you pulled up the Tyler Ridges
house that day. And this picture is an aerial of
you taken several years after the data of incident. But
in this exhibit, can you indicate the members of the
jury where you park when you arrive at Tyler Ridge's house.

Speaker 12 (04:01:45):
I believe it was like right to the on the
right side where these like green at the bottom, where
the green bushes are.

Speaker 2 (04:01:51):
I'm going to use a pen indicating on States is
a bit forty nine and we just verify its Ye,
forty nine. You said the right to the bushes. Did
you indicate are you indicating these bushes right here to
the bottom of the exhibit?

Speaker 12 (04:02:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (04:02:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:02:02):
So did you park along the curve area near the
bushes near the trees? Okay? And when you arrived at
Tyler Rich's house, did you go into the house?

Speaker 12 (04:02:12):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:02:13):
And if you explain to the jury how you got
into Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 12 (04:02:18):
If you go like past that in between the blue
truck and the white truck, like there's and go all
the way to the back, there were cellar doors right there.

Speaker 4 (04:02:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:02:27):
So I'm going to show you States.

Speaker 26 (04:02:30):
Nine.

Speaker 2 (04:02:33):
Do you see the area consum in a little bit?
Do you see the area where you went into how
you got how you access and got into Tyler Rich's.

Speaker 16 (04:02:43):
House that night.

Speaker 12 (04:02:43):
Yeah, it's like through this little opening right between that
tree and the bush.

Speaker 2 (04:02:48):
So I'm pointing to states nine. I'm directing my pen.
Just tell me where what to stop. Right through there
and through this area here on SATs nine, you're indicating
there was cellar or bilbo doors there and you you
got into the with John when you got to the
bilical doors. The bilical doors led into the basement area.
When you got out to the basement area of Tyler

(04:03:08):
Rich's house, how many people did you see there?

Speaker 12 (04:03:12):
Twenty twenty five maybe?

Speaker 2 (04:03:15):
And did you recognize everyone there?

Speaker 12 (04:03:17):
Majority? Some of them?

Speaker 2 (04:03:18):
Yeah, most of them, if not all of them, attended
what high school?

Speaker 12 (04:03:22):
In high school?

Speaker 2 (04:03:23):
Were there? Was there anyone there who did not attend
Shelton High School?

Speaker 12 (04:03:26):
Not that I know of.

Speaker 2 (04:03:27):
Can you give us some names of people that you
recognized or that you saw there when you got there?

Speaker 12 (04:03:33):
Matt Locke, Tyler Rich, Ricky Fiola, Saison, Lily Lombardi, Isy Silvis.

Speaker 2 (04:03:41):
Did all those individuals go to Sheldon High School? Did
you see an individual by the name of James McGrath.
Did I'm showing you what's in Marcus Sate fifty seven, Taylor,
do you recognize who.

Speaker 12 (04:03:54):
This is in? Yeah, that's Jimmy, And so you refer
to him as.

Speaker 2 (04:03:59):
You Yeah, did Jimmy go to Shelton High School?

Speaker 12 (04:04:02):
No, we went to Fairfield Prep.

Speaker 2 (04:04:04):
How did you know Jimmy?

Speaker 12 (04:04:05):
Our parents were friends when we were younger. I mean
I was friends with Rosie as well.

Speaker 2 (04:04:12):
And Rosie's a sister. Did you hang out with Jimmy?
Did you see him at other parties even though he
didn't go to Shelton High School? Did you see him
quite often?

Speaker 12 (04:04:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:04:20):
And were there times that you would go over to
the McGrath household to see Rosie or anyone else? And
would you see Jimmy there?

Speaker 12 (04:04:26):
When I was younger, I would go over there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:04:29):
Now when you got down with John in looking at
State's fifty seven and looking at State's fifty seven and
looking at what Jimmy is wearing in this photograph, do
you recognize this is the outfit that he was wearing
the night of May fourteen?

Speaker 4 (04:04:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:04:46):
Do you know where this photograph was taken?

Speaker 12 (04:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:04:49):
Where was the photograph taking?

Speaker 12 (04:04:50):
Nikki?

Speaker 2 (04:04:51):
Did Jesus and you're familiar with NICKI to Jesus Jesus.

Speaker 12 (04:04:55):
I used to work for Nikki's dad and we're family friends.

Speaker 2 (04:04:58):
Had you had occasion to go to NICKI use this house. Yeah,
and it's at the basement of his house and that
photograph depicted in fifty seven. Now when you got down,
when you were in the basement of Tyler Rich's house,
did you observe any drinking going on?

Speaker 12 (04:05:11):
Yeah, some people were drinking.

Speaker 2 (04:05:12):
Some people were drinking. Do you recall what they were drinking?

Speaker 12 (04:05:16):
I would say it was just like beer or seucer's,
not anything like crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:05:21):
Were there any kegs there?

Speaker 12 (04:05:23):
Not that I know of.

Speaker 2 (04:05:24):
Did you drink at all when you were in the
basement of Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 12 (04:05:27):
At the time I drove there, so I don't believe
I did. It's possible I could have had one, but
it would not have been any more than that.

Speaker 2 (04:05:35):
Now, other than drinking and well withdrawn, Other than drinking,
with anyone doing anything else, was their talking, with their
music being played, with their drinking games going on?

Speaker 12 (04:05:45):
Yes, there was music being played. Everyone was just talking,
hanging out. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary that
we don't usually do.

Speaker 2 (04:05:52):
Was there a larger crowd than normal on that night
or would you say that was pretty average?

Speaker 12 (04:05:57):
I would say it's average. I mean, there might have
been a couple more people than usual, but not by much.

Speaker 2 (04:06:02):
When you say a couple more people, did you recognize
people that were in different grades than when you were
at Yeah, anyone in the grade above you or anyone
in the grade below you.

Speaker 12 (04:06:10):
It was majority of the grade above me and a
couple of people maybe the year below me.

Speaker 2 (04:06:16):
But and you would say that Tyler rich was the
great above you, so more of his friends than people
you associated with. Now, amongst the people that you saw
there on the basement, did you happen to see individuals
with the name of Griffin, Marsinsic and Ryan Hines.

Speaker 12 (04:06:29):
A little later?

Speaker 2 (04:06:30):
Yeah, Okay, explain that.

Speaker 12 (04:06:32):
I remember I was hanging out downstairs with my friend Lily.
We're and Matt. We were talking, and then I remember
they ended up coming to Tyler Riches not too long
after that, and I was I was told that there
was a fight previously, that they were involved, and that's
why they were coming.

Speaker 2 (04:06:51):
Okay, I'm gonna take you a little bit back. How
are you familiar with Bith, Griffin and Ryan.

Speaker 12 (04:06:55):
I went to high school with them. I would hang
out with them on occasion.

Speaker 2 (04:06:59):
Are they your year? Now?

Speaker 12 (04:07:00):
They're a year younger than I am. And so you.

Speaker 2 (04:07:03):
Indicated just now that they arrived at the party a
little bit later on, and you also indicated that you
were made aware that they were in a fight. Without
going into too much, but what people said, how did
you learn that they were involved in a fight?

Speaker 12 (04:07:14):
I think people were just talking about it downstairs, and
I had overheard a conversation that was going on, to.

Speaker 2 (04:07:20):
Your knowledge, you know how Ryan and Griffin arrived at
Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 17 (04:07:23):
How they got there, leave Charlie Connery picked him up.

Speaker 2 (04:07:27):
Charlie Connery. So when you arrived at Tyler Rich's house,
was Charlie there?

Speaker 12 (04:07:31):
I believe?

Speaker 6 (04:07:31):
So?

Speaker 2 (04:07:32):
Yeah, So at some point to your knowledge, did Charlie
leave to go pick up those two boys.

Speaker 12 (04:07:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:07:39):
Now you had said that you had heard they were
involved in a fight. At some point at the party,
did you were you standing close enough to Ryan and
Griffin to overhear without going into what they said, but
to overhear where they were talking about regarding this fight.

Speaker 12 (04:07:50):
Yea, to your.

Speaker 2 (04:07:51):
Knowledge at that point. You may know now, but at
that point did you know where that fight had occurred previously,
and to your knowledge at that time, did you know
who they were fighting with at the party previously?

Speaker 4 (04:08:07):
No?

Speaker 12 (04:08:08):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (04:08:10):
Do you know if the people they were fighting with
were members of Shelton High School or a different school?

Speaker 12 (04:08:13):
I knew it was at Saint Joe's kids, I didn't
know who exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:08:16):
Okay, So you gained knowledge that the people that they
were fighting, Griffin and Ryan Hines were fighting were from
Saint Joe's. Do you know how many individuals they were
fighting with?

Speaker 7 (04:08:25):
Not?

Speaker 12 (04:08:26):
At the time, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (04:08:27):
You learned that later. Now at some point, did you
learn what Saint Joe's kids were involved in the fight?

Speaker 4 (04:08:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:08:37):
And if you can name those individuals?

Speaker 12 (04:08:39):
Tyler de Silva, Jack Snyder, and Raoul Valley?

Speaker 2 (04:08:43):
Now, are you familiar with Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 4 (04:08:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:08:46):
And how are you familiar with Tayler DeSilva?

Speaker 12 (04:08:48):
Think we were at a party one time together?

Speaker 2 (04:08:50):
And Jack Snyder? How are you familiar with Jack Snyder?

Speaker 12 (04:08:52):
I'll just know of him. I don't know too much
about him.

Speaker 2 (04:08:55):
And had you ever seen him at a previous party before?

Speaker 12 (04:08:57):
Jack Snyder? Now?

Speaker 2 (04:08:58):
And Raoul Valley are you familiar with him? And how
are you familiar with him?

Speaker 12 (04:09:02):
I think we're at a party one time together.

Speaker 2 (04:09:05):
Did you ever any have any previous conversation with Raoul Valley?
And do you happen to see what withdrawn? Does Raoul
Valley go by a different name that you know of?

Speaker 17 (04:09:12):
Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (04:09:14):
And were you introduced to him as Leido?

Speaker 12 (04:09:17):
That's minu of him on a previous ocasion.

Speaker 2 (04:09:19):
Do you happen to see the individual here today in Cork?
You please point him out and describe what he's wearing.

Speaker 12 (04:09:24):
Lear in a black suit.

Speaker 2 (04:09:25):
Let the recker reflect you on other defend the witness
rather is identifying the defendant.

Speaker 15 (04:09:28):
In Cork, the record wolves has identified mister Raley.

Speaker 2 (04:09:33):
Thank you, Taylor. At some point while you're inside the basement,
did you hear something that prompted you to go outside?

Speaker 12 (04:09:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:09:42):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (04:09:43):
And what did you hear the first time?

Speaker 14 (04:09:46):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (04:09:47):
So I was outside the first time because it was
hot in the basement, so I had one outside and
that's when the car drove by the first time.

Speaker 2 (04:09:55):
Okay. So just so I can understand you, So you're
indicating that at some point you left the basement area
and went outside because it was hot. While you were
standing outside? Were you with with drawn? Were you outside
with anyone else when you went outside?

Speaker 12 (04:10:05):
I think I was with Matt Matt lack of it?

Speaker 6 (04:10:08):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (04:10:08):
Were you the only two outside at that point?

Speaker 12 (04:10:10):
I think there were other people outside towards the front.
I was still by the cellar doors at the time.
And you just.

Speaker 2 (04:10:15):
Indicated that you heard or saw a car drive.

Speaker 4 (04:10:19):
Up or drive by.

Speaker 2 (04:10:20):
Explain that.

Speaker 12 (04:10:22):
So at that time I had previous I had heard
about the fight, and we were by the cellar doors,
and people were talking towards the front, and Matt had
walked over there, so I had followed him a little
bit towards the front of the yard, and that's when
the car drove by.

Speaker 2 (04:10:39):
So I'm going to refer you to behind you. So
behind you State fifty two.

Speaker 27 (04:10:59):
Was standing when you came outside and served the vehicle
and a little cudd off, just like probably by the
strug leader.

Speaker 2 (04:11:09):
Okay, when do you say cudd off?

Speaker 6 (04:11:10):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 26 (04:11:11):
Like the ture standing and the individuals you said.

Speaker 2 (04:11:15):
Were closer shoot the street, Bario, where will be standing
in stace? I would say they.

Speaker 16 (04:11:22):
All right?

Speaker 2 (04:11:23):
And the vehicle that pulled up. Are you able to
demonstrate this hivid where.

Speaker 16 (04:11:27):
They pulled up with.

Speaker 27 (04:11:30):
So it was like somewhere okay, so of the records
like part of that initially be is appointing to that
left area of the two or call that lock of
standing in the the middle of the wrath brea or
other individuals were standing there with that left the vehicle pulled.

Speaker 17 (04:11:48):
Up or don't take the information on the record.

Speaker 2 (04:11:51):
Thank you now, Taylor? Are you able to name the
other individuals individuals that you saw in the as you
indicate on STATSGY two in the grassy area approaching the vehicle.

Speaker 12 (04:12:04):
I think it was just Ricky Fiola, Tyler rich or
the only really too. I remember going up there.

Speaker 2 (04:12:09):
And do you recall what type of vehicle pulled up
Honda pilot. I'm going to be showing you what's big
mark as safe thirty Taylor, Is that to stairty resembled
that the vehicle that pulled up in front of ken
Ridge's house that, yeah, And explain what the lighting was
during that time? Were you able to see clearly? Obviously

(04:12:31):
it was night time, but were there any lights that
were able they were illuminating the area.

Speaker 12 (04:12:35):
It was dark outside, but it wasn't dark to the
point where you couldn't see who was in front of you.
There was lights in the driveway flashlights.

Speaker 2 (04:12:43):
And when you say flashlights, do you mean people had
their phone?

Speaker 12 (04:12:46):
Yeah, like from the phone.

Speaker 2 (04:12:48):
Now, how many individuals will withdraw on? At some point
when you saw this vehicle pull up, did you notice
anyone else from inside the basement coming outside to approach
the vehicle?

Speaker 12 (04:13:00):
I think maybe a couple of people might have come outside.

Speaker 2 (04:13:02):
I don't know exactly who from which where you were standing.
Did you ever leave that area to get closer to
the vehicle or did you stay in that location.

Speaker 12 (04:13:10):
I stayed out there for maybe a couple seconds and
then went back inside after that.

Speaker 2 (04:13:14):
So from your vantage point, were you able to see
how many individuals approached the vehicle? Were you able to
hear anything from what was being said from the people
that were outside the vehicle or anyone from inside the vehicle?
Were you able to see who was inside the vehicle
at this point?

Speaker 14 (04:13:28):
Not?

Speaker 12 (04:13:28):
At that point.

Speaker 2 (04:13:32):
Did you get a sense at all of what the
vibe was or the atmosphere was. When you witnessed the
shelting kids from the basement coming outside and approaching the car.

Speaker 12 (04:13:43):
It didn't seem like they were like extremely mad or
trying to cause a problem. It's not like they came
sprinting outside and chasing after the car. They walked out
of the basement casually and went up to the car
or went up to the front yard at least.

Speaker 2 (04:14:01):
And you couldn't hear anything that was being said. And
you said you stayed outside for a couple of seconds,
and then you went back to the basement. And why
did you do that?

Speaker 12 (04:14:09):
I didn't see a need to stay outside. Went back inside.

Speaker 2 (04:14:14):
At some point, did you learn of who was in
that Honda pilot?

Speaker 12 (04:14:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:14:17):
And from what you were made away who was in
the Honda pilot.

Speaker 12 (04:14:21):
Tyler de Silva, Jack Snyder and Lido anyone else?

Speaker 2 (04:14:25):
Did you know who was in that pilot?

Speaker 12 (04:14:28):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (04:14:29):
And at some point what was john? You said you
had gone into the basement. Did you see the vehicle
leave that area at any point before you went back
into the basement.

Speaker 12 (04:14:40):
No, I don't think I saw it leave.

Speaker 2 (04:14:44):
And at any point in time did you did you
go back outside?

Speaker 12 (04:14:48):
I did, okay?

Speaker 2 (04:14:49):
And why did you go back outside?

Speaker 12 (04:14:52):
People started going outside. I'm pretty sure that someone said
something that caused me to go outside. I can't recall exactly.
And I went outside, and that is when people started
walking up the street, and I started walking up there

(04:15:14):
as well.

Speaker 2 (04:15:14):
Okay, so I'm gonna take you back a little bit.
So you had said you go out, you went back
outside at any point in time, did you see the
hont of pilot driving up and down the street?

Speaker 7 (04:15:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:15:22):
Okay, When you went back outside after something prompted you
to go out there, you indicated that you saw people
walking down the street. What people walking down.

Speaker 12 (04:15:31):
The street like the sheland the kids that were on
Tyler Rich's.

Speaker 2 (04:15:34):
Can you recall who was walking down the street?

Speaker 12 (04:15:37):
Tyler Rich? Maybe matt Ricky and those are the only
ones I really know for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:15:49):
And you then indicated you started walking down the street. Yeah,
I'm gonna be showing you. I approached the witness runner
stay where if you can remember the journey actually stay
seated New York. So if if the red dot here
is Tyler Rich's house, you cann walk out the driver?

(04:16:10):
How far down world?

Speaker 26 (04:16:11):
When drive O did? Did the vehicle drive down world?
Land a farm house? How far down world? When did
you go after?

Speaker 2 (04:16:22):
How allots?

Speaker 7 (04:16:23):
Like?

Speaker 26 (04:16:26):
Okay, so that the redds on your own that your
news is pointing to a quarter way down world land.

Speaker 2 (04:16:32):
Do you do you recall what was around.

Speaker 21 (04:16:34):
You when you stopped?

Speaker 2 (04:16:36):
It was just like eat, I know these truly first love?

Speaker 6 (04:16:40):
Really when I came here?

Speaker 2 (04:16:41):
Who was with you at that time?

Speaker 1 (04:16:43):
I was by myself.

Speaker 27 (04:16:45):
And from your vantage point, where you're able to see
anything up to morel Gland or.

Speaker 2 (04:16:50):
A farm house, you could see that.

Speaker 26 (04:16:52):
There was a car park somewhere over here.

Speaker 1 (04:16:57):
Reverend b what does you want to.

Speaker 6 (04:16:59):
Do about now.

Speaker 2 (04:17:03):
Standing? Did you see any anyone from the party running
after Taylor? I'm gonna be showing you what'ston Marcus, States
forty four. I'm going to ask you if you've seen
this video before, just playing its entire entirely and Taylor,

(04:17:43):
had you seen what's been? Have you seen this video
that's affected in States forty four previous to today?

Speaker 12 (04:17:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:17:49):
Okay, And from your recollection of what you observed on
that night, did you see any of that happening from
your vantage point?

Speaker 12 (04:17:57):
No, I think they might have already been up there
and I started walking. I don't think I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (04:18:03):
So the kids that you saw running up after the vehicle,
you don't personally remember seeing that, okay? And did you
hear in stage forty four and then being thrown at
the vehicle? Do you recall seeing or hearing that previous
to the car leaving Laurel Glenn in front of Tyler
Ridge's house. Do you recall anythings being thrown at the
vehicle or things being thrown out of the vehicle from
where you were sending before you went back to the basement.

Speaker 12 (04:18:25):
Yeah, I remember things were being thrown from the car
at the car. It was just like a bothy thing.

Speaker 2 (04:18:33):
And is that before the car drove down Laurel Glenn? Now,
how long would you say you were in the area
you depicted in states lou was fifty two? Were you
indiget you walked up towards the vehicle? How long did
you stay in that area for?

Speaker 15 (04:18:51):
Like?

Speaker 12 (04:18:51):
Probably not even three seconds? And then I turned around,
didn't walk back.

Speaker 2 (04:18:55):
Did you have any interaction with anyone other than maybe
your boyfriend at the time? And when you came back
with John when so, when you came back down towards
Tyler Rich's house, who were you with at that point?

Speaker 12 (04:19:12):
I went back inside, so I was with everyone who
was in the basement.

Speaker 2 (04:19:15):
Did you walk back alone, or did Matt. I walked back,
and so to your knowledge, did Matt Lockovich stay back
to stay up there?

Speaker 12 (04:19:21):
Yeah, because he wasn't in the basement when I was.
But I wasn't even for sure that he was up there.
I assumed he was up there because a bunch of
Ricky and Tyler are his friend, So I assumed he
was up there. So that's why I started walking up there.
I didn't get that far and then I turned around.
He wasn't in the basement, so I.

Speaker 2 (04:19:36):
Was assuming that is why did you walk up there
in the first place?

Speaker 12 (04:19:39):
I thought he was up there?

Speaker 2 (04:19:41):
You thought? And were you concerned for him? Why were
you going up there? To were you here?

Speaker 17 (04:19:46):
I was just curious concerns why he why he was
going up there?

Speaker 4 (04:19:49):
So I walked up there.

Speaker 2 (04:19:51):
When you came back down to go towards back towards
Tyler Rich's house, did you encounter anyone at that point
before you got back to the basement not?

Speaker 12 (04:19:57):
Could I remember when.

Speaker 2 (04:19:59):
You approached the house, was anyone standing in the front
lawn at that point?

Speaker 12 (04:20:01):
I think there were a couple of people in the
front yard. I don't I couldn't tell you who I
don't remember.

Speaker 2 (04:20:06):
At some point you got back into the basement. When
you got back into the basement, who did you recognize
in the basement at this point?

Speaker 12 (04:20:11):
Lily was there, My friend Izzy was down there. A
couple other girls that I was talking to.

Speaker 2 (04:20:17):
When you say Lily, Lily's last name, Lombardi and Izzy, Sylvis,
anyone else that you saw down there?

Speaker 12 (04:20:26):
There were people older than me that I Mikaela Holton
was down there.

Speaker 2 (04:20:32):
Do you recall Jimmy was there?

Speaker 12 (04:20:34):
Jimmy was down there?

Speaker 2 (04:20:35):
Yeah, okay, And at some point did you have a
conversation with Jimmy? Okay, and tell me that just the
conversation without telling us what he said. What did you
tell him? If anything?

Speaker 12 (04:20:44):
You were just talking at that point about his girlfriend
and how happy he was with her, and he just
was saying how he loves her and he's just he's
been so happy recently with her. Really part of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (04:21:03):
At some point, after seeing what you saw when you
first went out to see the car, as well as
observing what you did when you went down, Laurel Glenn,
did you think something bad was going to happen?

Speaker 17 (04:21:14):
Yeah, And what did you think was gonna happen.

Speaker 12 (04:21:17):
At this point, they've driven by multiple times and everyone
was talking about it. So I figured that there was
going to be an altercation, maybe of some sort, I
don't know, like not physically, but maybe verbally or something
along the lines.

Speaker 2 (04:21:31):
At some point, did Matt Lackovich come back into the
basement area?

Speaker 12 (04:21:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:21:35):
Did you at any point how Matt Lackovich as well
as jimye a group of McGrath anything at that point.

Speaker 4 (04:21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (04:21:40):
So then I started talking to both of them, and
I was telling them that if an altercation were to happen,
to just stay out of it, you know, don't get involved.
It's not your problem. And it's what Jimmy did.

Speaker 2 (04:21:52):
So okay, And why did you find the need to
tell them that?

Speaker 12 (04:21:55):
I just know it was mainly towards Matt. I know
Jimmy wouldn't get involved. Was that type of person. Matt
just I know if his friends were in an altercation,
he wouldn't just stand there and let it happen.

Speaker 2 (04:22:09):
Now, at some point, did you go back outside and
see the ton of pilot again?

Speaker 12 (04:22:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:22:14):
And when and how did you come to see the
ton of pilot again?

Speaker 12 (04:22:18):
So then everyone started going outside and I've went outside
with them, and that's when I walked out and Lido
and Tyler were on the art fighting with everyone.

Speaker 2 (04:22:32):
So I'm going to be showing you what's in Mark
as well explains there was a joint when you walk out,
when you walk back out the billico doors. Yeah, when
you walk back out the Billico doors, what area.

Speaker 23 (04:22:45):
Of the yard you go to.

Speaker 12 (04:22:48):
The front yard.

Speaker 2 (04:22:49):
So we be showing you what's in Mark to say three,
is this a good representation of where you were standing
when you came back outside?

Speaker 12 (04:22:59):
Actually basically where I was standing?

Speaker 16 (04:23:02):
You okay?

Speaker 2 (04:23:03):
And if you can explain to members of the jury
where in staates three you were standing, and I can
use the pen again if you just want to direct
me to where, because I know if you point in
your screen that jurors can't see it. If I can
you see my pad? Yeah, you direct me to go
to the left or the right.

Speaker 12 (04:23:21):
Yell back a little bit and like honestly right there.

Speaker 2 (04:23:24):
So if the reck reflect around of the witness identifying
with the assistance that she was standing to the bottom
pretty much middle section of stats three, I record, we'll reflect.

Speaker 4 (04:23:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:23:38):
Now, Taylor, you said that when you came outside you
were standing in that area as indicated in States three.
You indicate you saw the pilot, okay, and what did
you see in conjunction with seeing the pilot.

Speaker 12 (04:23:51):
It was just parked on the street, like near the
mailbox a little bit kind of like the mailbox would
be like where the cars in this center, if that
makes sense, Like the mailbox would separate half the car
within the front of it and half the close back.

Speaker 2 (04:24:07):
So show you Stains five. I know this is the
daytime picture, but can you indicate in SATs five where
you observe behind a pilot.

Speaker 12 (04:24:13):
Pull up it came from? It was like on a
it would be a b more in front of this
picture a little bit like probably right by the basketball hoop.

Speaker 2 (04:24:23):
Okay, so this area here so that a little bit better, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (04:24:30):
I would say like right there.

Speaker 2 (04:24:32):
Okay, So you want to let this record reflect that
the witness is identifying as the pilot pulled up to
the left hand, left hand bottom side of Saints five
towards the a little bit of from the curve area
of States five. Thank you so, Taylor. When you saw
the pilot as indicated in Stays five, where it parked,
what if anything.

Speaker 12 (04:24:50):
Did you see after it parked, that's when Leto and
Tyler de Silva had gotten out of the car.

Speaker 2 (04:24:57):
And where did you observe them going when they got
out of the vehicle onto the ground. And at that
point did you have anything blocking your view? How was
the lighting?

Speaker 12 (04:25:05):
There was flashlights on again, the garage had the light
on it, so I could see clearly. There wasn't a
lot of people standing in front of me, so I
did have a clear view.

Speaker 2 (04:25:16):
Yes, you would indicated that you were familiar with both
Tyler Silva and Lido with the defendant. Do you recall
what they were wearing that night?

Speaker 12 (04:25:24):
They were both kind of wearing the same color. I'd
say it was like a light lighter blue. The color
of this maybe a little lighter.

Speaker 2 (04:25:30):
Were you able to clearly identify at that point with
the lighting and where you were standing?

Speaker 7 (04:25:36):
Who was who?

Speaker 2 (04:25:37):
Yeah? Do you recall if you can, where was the
defendant standing? And where was Tyler de Silva standing? And
I don't know if say three, if you'd rather be
use say three, or if there's a different things.

Speaker 12 (04:25:48):
That you think would help you out now, I would
say Tyler de Silva was up closer to the like
on the grass near the bush, and Lido was behind
him further towards the road more.

Speaker 2 (04:26:01):
Okay, so you're indicating here that say that again.

Speaker 12 (04:26:04):
Please, Tyler rich I mean sorry, Tyler de Silva was
up more like towards the bush a little bit all
right on the grass. Sorry, maybe up a little more, yeah,
like right over there, and then Lido was behind him
behind here. It's like a little dark. I can't really see.

Speaker 25 (04:26:26):
If that's still Why don't you give her the exhibit
and let her take a look at it over here?

Speaker 17 (04:26:30):
Perhaps you could point it out.

Speaker 2 (04:26:35):
Would this exhibit help better? Stays five?

Speaker 12 (04:26:40):
Yeah, so Tyler, So they ran up onto the grass,
and then Tyler de Silva is closer to the red
bush right yeah, over the closer to that bush, and
then Lido would be behind him, so closer to the road.

Speaker 2 (04:26:55):
Okay, yeah, okay. And when you came out, we observed
Tyler to Silva and the defendant. What did you observe
them doing.

Speaker 12 (04:27:07):
When I came out to the point, they were fighting
at that point. They were in the fight at that point.

Speaker 2 (04:27:11):
When you say that, who who's that?

Speaker 12 (04:27:13):
Howard and silver medal and fighting the Sheldon kids.

Speaker 2 (04:27:17):
When you see the Shelton kids. Can you recall from
where you were standing or can you were able to
observe from where you were standing who from the Shelton kids,
who from the house came out to fight?

Speaker 12 (04:27:27):
A bunch of us were out there kind of just
standing there, like most of us were just watching. I
believe Alex Bernstein was near Tyler to Silva, and I'm
not sure who Lito was fighting was at that point.

Speaker 2 (04:27:45):
Is it fair to say that when you came out
well with John, is it your testimony that when you
came out, the fight was already in progress? Okay? So
is it fair to say that you did not see
have any kind of firsthand knowledge about who threw the
first punch or how the fight started. And uh, explain
as much as you can when the fight started or

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when you came out and saw the fight, what was
going on, what was the what was the environment?

Speaker 12 (04:28:13):
It was just chaotic and a lot going on at
that point. People just standing there, some of them fighting.
Everyone was kind of just everywhere at that point.

Speaker 2 (04:28:25):
Were all the Shelting kids fighting or were some observing?

Speaker 7 (04:28:28):
No?

Speaker 12 (04:28:28):
A majority were watching. I think only a couple kids
were fighting at that time.

Speaker 2 (04:28:34):
And who were you standing around when this fight was occurring.

Speaker 12 (04:28:37):
I was next to Mikaela Holton.

Speaker 2 (04:28:38):
Mikayla Holton. And who's Mikayla Holton to you?

Speaker 12 (04:28:40):
She's one of my friends. She's friends with my sister.
They cheered together.

Speaker 2 (04:28:44):
Was she dating anyone who was involved in this fight
or who was there?

Speaker 12 (04:28:47):
Yeah? Andrew, Andrew, I don't know how to say his
last name, sort of was he mister Laitis?

Speaker 2 (04:28:54):
Was he present there as well? And do you recall
seeing tathered to Silva during this fight?

Speaker 4 (04:29:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:29:02):
Do you recall seeing the defendant during this fight? And
at any time during the fight, did you hear anything
about a knife?

Speaker 12 (04:29:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:29:11):
An if you cause, please please explain to the members
the jury what you heard at that point.

Speaker 12 (04:29:14):
I heard Charlie Connery screaming, he has a knife, he
has a knife.

Speaker 2 (04:29:17):
And are you familiar with Charlie Connery? Are you familiar
with his voice? Were you able to tell it with him?
And when you heard he has a knife, he has
a knife? What was going through your head?

Speaker 12 (04:29:28):
I was just like, oh my god, what's going on
talking about he has a knife?

Speaker 2 (04:29:34):
Did you know who he was referring to? When you
heard he has a knife.

Speaker 12 (04:29:37):
Well, that's at the point where I call.

Speaker 15 (04:29:42):
Sorry.

Speaker 12 (04:29:47):
A couple of seconds after that is when the defendant
was near.

Speaker 2 (04:29:55):
It's so coolm take us take a sec out.

Speaker 12 (04:30:01):
The defendant was near Jimmy and he was lunging towards him,
and I just saw him go up to Jimmy and
Jimmy stays there for like two seconds.

Speaker 11 (04:30:19):
Hmm.

Speaker 12 (04:30:21):
I looked over and saw Tommy with there was a
flashlight pointing down on Tommy's leg and he had blood
all over his leg. And I looked back at Jimmy
and at that point it's shorts just all bloody, and
I just stood there. I didn't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (04:30:43):
Okay, Taylor, I know this is really difficult. I'm gonna
have to take you through it a little bit, just
so you can give some more detail about what you saw.

Speaker 12 (04:30:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:30:50):
So you indicated that you heard Charlie Connery indicate he's
got a knife. He's got a knife. And at some
point you indicate you would realize that some of the
Shelton could have gotten stabbed. Is that right? And who
did you become aware that got stabbed?

Speaker 12 (04:31:10):
At first, it was Tommy that I was aware of.

Speaker 2 (04:31:14):
Okay, who else did you become aware that got stabbed.

Speaker 12 (04:31:17):
At that point, I didn't know anyone else. I didn't
see anyone else.

Speaker 2 (04:31:20):
At some point during the night, did you learn that
other people had gotten stabbed? Who were those.

Speaker 12 (04:31:24):
Individuals, Ryan Hines, Faison Teal, Jimmy McGrath, and Tommy Connor?
And did you.

Speaker 2 (04:31:31):
Personally see Tommy, Ryan or Faison get stabbed? May first
the clerk your honor Taylor. Who did you see first
with injuries.

Speaker 12 (04:31:45):
Tommy?

Speaker 2 (04:31:46):
And then who's injuries did you see?

Speaker 12 (04:31:47):
After that?

Speaker 2 (04:31:48):
Looked up Jimmy and you realize what happened to him?
And then who did you see after that?

Speaker 16 (04:31:53):
Then it was.

Speaker 2 (04:31:55):
And then at some point did you realize Ryan had
been stabbed?

Speaker 12 (04:31:58):
I don't think I saw Ryan at the rest before that.
I think I saw him once the ambulance got there.
Then I saw Ryan.

Speaker 2 (04:32:07):
And do you recall observing who those individuals other than
Jimmy were fighting with? Meaning who was Tommy fighting with?
Who was Faison fighting with? Who was Ryan fighting was?
Were they fighting with the defendant? Were they fighting with
Tyler Desilda?

Speaker 12 (04:32:19):
A defendant?

Speaker 2 (04:32:20):
Defendant? And you personally observed that.

Speaker 12 (04:32:22):
I just remember them being closer to the defendant.

Speaker 2 (04:32:26):
And did you see Jimmy fighting with Tyler Desla at all?

Speaker 12 (04:32:28):
Not at all?

Speaker 2 (04:32:29):
And did you see Jimmy fighting with the defendant at
any point?

Speaker 12 (04:32:32):
Not at all.

Speaker 2 (04:32:33):
Was Jimmy involved in the fight at all? What was
he doing during the fight standing there? Standing there? Would
you characterize as him just observing?

Speaker 12 (04:32:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:32:42):
And at some point did you see where the defendant went?
So after you saw the fight break out, did you
see the defendant go anywhere at that point?

Speaker 12 (04:32:51):
So he went to the car. I remember him going
to the car and coming back.

Speaker 2 (04:32:56):
When you observed him going to the car, explain what
you saw.

Speaker 12 (04:32:59):
He gets he got like shoved into the road and
goes up to the Honda pilot, comes back onto the grass.

Speaker 2 (04:33:11):
And I'm going to show you, say, sixty two, does
this look familiar to Is this what you recollect seeing
the night that he went with the defense was back
to the vehicle?

Speaker 18 (04:33:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:33:21):
And how long would you say he was bad about
the O before.

Speaker 4 (04:33:26):
Long?

Speaker 2 (04:33:27):
Come second, Sam, And after you saw the defendant the vehicle,
you can explain what you saw him do next. And
if you can take it as slow as possible and
describe as much as you saw, it would be very helpful.

Speaker 12 (04:33:43):
So at that point is when he comes back onto
the grass and I don't know if he like slipped
or turn he spins to us. I want to say
it was his left and then he takes his arm
and post like up up to.

Speaker 2 (04:34:05):
Jimmy Taylor, I'm gonna have you stand up, your honor.
If I just may have the witness semons straight what
she observed. Okay, So Taylor is I'm Jimmy. Okay, where
were you in relationship where you saw Jenny? Probably a
little form that, but diand so if I moved back

(04:34:25):
a little.

Speaker 12 (04:34:25):
Bit, yeah, okay, And so.

Speaker 2 (04:34:29):
Where the defendant position to where you saw.

Speaker 1 (04:34:34):
The okay?

Speaker 2 (04:34:35):
And if you can demonstrate, and you're want to let
the record reflect that the witness is pointing to her
left hand side towards members of the jury as to
where the defendant was standing. She indicated that Jimmy McGrath
was standing to the defendant's left hand side and directly
in front of her. So if you please just indicate,
just show members of the jury what you physically, what

(04:34:56):
you observed the defendant do with his arms and the
motion he us and doing what he did to James McGrath,
So right.

Speaker 21 (04:35:07):
Turn and just.

Speaker 2 (04:35:10):
How grows like up towards towards jim turning seeing the
right hand and making an upward motion indicating that the
defendant was making upward motion into Jimmy McGrath. Well know
that on the repond, So Taylor, when you saw the

(04:35:32):
defendant come back from the vehicle and come back around
and as you said, turned around and made that motion
up into Jimmy, did you see what he was holding
in his hand?

Speaker 12 (04:35:41):
I couldn't see exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:35:43):
Can you describe or show us what he was doing
with his hand? Was it open, was it closed?

Speaker 12 (04:35:49):
And then it could tell obviously that there was something
in his hand.

Speaker 2 (04:35:54):
And when he came back around to use whatever was
in his fist to go into jim what was Tom
doing at that point?

Speaker 12 (04:36:02):
He kind of just like back, He was backing up
and like his hands kind of were up and just
like as.

Speaker 13 (04:36:09):
We offer pards a little wit, it's like a step back.

Speaker 2 (04:36:12):
When the defendant came back from the vehicle and came
back around, did you observe him swinging the knife at
random people or did you observe him coming and driving
a beeline for Jimmy for Jimmy. Did he have purpose
in going towards him?

Speaker 4 (04:36:26):
It looked like it.

Speaker 2 (04:36:28):
Did he say anything when he was lunging towards Jimmy,
Not that I remember. And at that point, did you
realize what he had just done? And if you can
indicate to members of the jury what you observed Jimmy
do next? After you saw the defendant stab him.

Speaker 12 (04:36:47):
He kind of just stood there first, I can't and
just like false down onto the ground and you can
see he had those one shorts on. You could just
see them all covered and well.

Speaker 2 (04:37:09):
And after you saw that, what, if anything, did you do?

Speaker 12 (04:37:13):
I didn't know what to do. I literally froze, and
then everyone kind of was looking around seeing that everyone
was At this point that Faison or then Faison had
actually come up to me and I saw his arm
and it was just like a chunk of Faison, like

(04:37:34):
just like fat tissue was coming out of his arm,
and he was like, like can you tie this? And
I'm not good with blood, So I was like, Faison,
I'm so sorry, like I really can't help you. And
someone else ended up helping him, and then that's when
I ended up calling my mom. Uh, and then I

(04:37:55):
called my dad and he ended up coming.

Speaker 2 (04:37:58):
At any point before you saw jamikas as you saw
Jimmy get sabbed, do you hear him say anything?

Speaker 12 (04:38:03):
No, not that I remember Jimmy saying anything.

Speaker 2 (04:38:06):
And who were you with? What withdrawn? Was anyone around you?
Were you tending to anyone other than like you had
to hit a Faison when this is happening?

Speaker 12 (04:38:17):
No, just face on.

Speaker 2 (04:38:19):
Where was Mikaela Holton at this point?

Speaker 12 (04:38:21):
I think she walked back like backwards at that point
I was. I think I was standing by myself. I really,
I was so focused on what just happened. I really
don't remember.

Speaker 2 (04:38:31):
After you noticed what happened to Jimmy, after you saw
Faison's injuries, when did you realize Tommy had also gotten stabbed.

Speaker 12 (04:38:36):
There was a flashlight pointing down on Tommy's leg, so
I guess it was yeah, after that that I saw
Tommy and everyone was kind of trying to tie like
a a tourniquid. I guess you could say, onto his
leg with the shirts that the guys had on.

Speaker 2 (04:38:54):
Yeah, after Jimmy was stabbed, after all the boys were stabbed,
did you see where the defendant and Tyler Disolv.

Speaker 12 (04:39:02):
Went back into the pil you saw that with your
own eyes? I remember one of them. I don't remember
who exactly running back into the Honda pilot.

Speaker 2 (04:39:11):
Though, And where did you see the Honda pilot?

Speaker 12 (04:39:12):
Do it drove down towards Adams Strut?

Speaker 2 (04:39:16):
And at some point you indicated you had called your parents?
Did at another point at some point to police arrive
and ems arrived? Were you outside when this was happening?
And did your parents come to the.

Speaker 12 (04:39:31):
Scene as well? My dad ended up coming with my sister.

Speaker 2 (04:39:34):
And did you go home right away when your dad
showed up?

Speaker 12 (04:39:36):
I think you stood there for a good amount of
time and then I ended up going home.

Speaker 2 (04:39:41):
Did you talk to the police that night? At what
point did you talk to the police? Do you recall.

Speaker 12 (04:39:48):
I want to believe it is that, I want to
say the day maybe not the day after, maybe that Monday, Yeah,
maybe like two days after.

Speaker 2 (04:39:58):
Was it once or more than once than once? And Taylor,
at anytime the night of May fourteenth of twenty twenty two,
did you see to me McGrath fighting with the defendant?

Speaker 12 (04:40:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:40:08):
At any time the night of that party, did you
see to meet McGrath fighting with anyone? At anytime that night.
Did you see to me McGrath with a weapon? Did
you see any of the Shelton kids with weapons? Taylor,
you personally observed and witness a front of yours get stabbed,
fatally stabbed, and witness the stabbing of ones other friends
of yours. How has this affected you mentally?

Speaker 12 (04:40:32):
I've gone to therapy for it. There would be nights
even at school at college that I would have like
nightmares of this and I call my mom hyperventilating because
it's just like for the and even after the event happened,
I it just replaces in my head and it's just

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hard to know that he wasn't even doing anything.

Speaker 15 (04:41:00):
Is happy.

Speaker 12 (04:41:02):
I've gotten really bad. I've always had anxiety, but I
think it's increased definitely after this. It's a lot. And obviously,
like I said, going to therapy for it because I
didn't know what else to do.

Speaker 2 (04:41:20):
It's traumatic in a moment you're on.

Speaker 6 (04:41:26):
No, that's good.

Speaker 4 (04:41:26):
I don't know if it is.

Speaker 1 (04:41:32):
The question.

Speaker 3 (04:41:35):
At this point in a gentleman in the jury, or
if here to the journey to the day, you'll kind of.

Speaker 10 (04:41:43):
You remainder of this one.

Speaker 22 (04:41:46):
On Monday, hopefully, So I just try to remind you
of your obligations to abide by you.

Speaker 17 (04:41:56):
Is not a media.

Speaker 2 (04:42:00):
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