Day 8

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
So you all may be seated.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
So before I do bring the jury in the Court.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Has been made aware of a situation that occurred allegedly
on Friday afternoon here in the court house property or
on the courthouse property.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Subsequent to the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I want to be clear that this court will not
tolerate any disruptive behaviors towards court staff, jury, the parties,
the witnesses, or any of the attorneys involved. If I
am made aware of such behavior it is investigated in
the Court believes it to be necessary in the interests

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of maintaining safety, security, and fairness to these proceedings, the
Court will have any such person removed from the trial
immediately and precluded from attending the remainder of the trial proceedings.
So I just want to make sure that the Court's
clear on that.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, all right, just wait in time we'll bring our
journey them.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Be sure.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
It would very welcome back today.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
We are ready to continue. You'll recall that the state.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
They have a witness on the stand when we and
us sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
We are going to ask for that wins to please
you take the stand and we'll continue on with the thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
YEA, Council, please stipate to the pens of the journey
before we get.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Defense stipulate you.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I just want to remind you that you do remain
under the aation to do it you mhm.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Smith, Thank you, honor.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
Mm hmm, good morning, Miss Cavella. Well, you and I
have never met before, is that true? And I'll just
remind you if you can't keep your voice up to
compete with the lab fan and then the court reporter
needs you to say either yes or no, she can't
get a head nod or.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Things like that.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Okay, So you talk to us a little bit on Friday,
and I want to ask you a few questions about that. Okay,
I'm gonna use some of the same exhibits that you've
seen so far, and I may use some exhibits that
you haven't seen so far.

Speaker 8 (02:21):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
I am going to show you one mm hmm. Just
re oriented quickly. Do you see the red mark on
the exhibit behind you? And whose house is that?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Tyler Kay?

Speaker 7 (02:45):
And you were at Tyler Rich's house on Mayboork Talk
and you were there with well, you drove yourself. You
told us, right, but you met up there with uh,
your boyfriend Matthew Lokovich.

Speaker 8 (02:58):
At the time.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
And you told us that you'd been to this house previously. Right,
In fact, you've been to this house many times previously.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, handful times, yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
Handful times.

Speaker 9 (03:10):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:11):
Well, you told us that you had grown up essentially
when you were younger, and we're friends with this group
of kids that were at Tyler Rich's house.

Speaker 8 (03:19):
Right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
And you told us that there were about twenty to
twenty five people that were there when you got there.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
And you described what a number of witnesses have described,
which is going into the house through the side. And
what are bill Code doors?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Right?

Speaker 7 (03:35):
And just in case there's anybody like me who didn't
know what those were before, will you tell us what
a bill Coe door is.

Speaker 10 (03:40):
They're just doors like slanted and you open them, and
they're stairs that go downstairs.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Gotcha. So they're not umbilical doors, right, No, they're not
Bellco doors.

Speaker 9 (03:50):
Right.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
No, they're bill Co doors because that's the name of
the manufacturer that makes them.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm not sure about the manufacturer, Okay, but you.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Know them as bill Co doors and they led down
into the basement, right, And when you got down there
into the basement, you told us there was maybe twenty
to twenty five people there, right, Yes, And among those
folks that were there were your boyfriend Matthew Locke pitch right, yes,
Tyler Rich the owner of the house, right, Enrico or
Ricky Fiola Race. How did you know Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
You're in the same friend group, Okay.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Did he also attend the same high school as you?
Was he in your grade?

Speaker 8 (04:26):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:26):
And you were a junior at this time, correct, Yes,
so you graduated the following year.

Speaker 9 (04:32):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (04:34):
And you also told us that you saw Faizon Tilee there,
and there was a Lily, but I didn't catch her.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Last name was Lily Lombardy.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
Lombardy And how did you know Lily?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I grew up with her.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
And you told us that you also saw Jimmy McGrath
there right, Yes, and that he was a friend of
yours from when you were younger, right, yes, that your
parents were friends and you were also friends with his
sister Rosie, Yes, and so you'd known them from being
a young child.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
You didn't go to.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
School with him anymore because he was going to Fairfield
crep and you identified a picture of him over at
Nikki to Jesus's house, right, Yes, he was playing cool, Yeah,
and he was wearing the same outfit that he was
wearing later on that evening at this party at Tyler Rich's. Right.
And you told us that there was drinking going on
at Tyler Rich's house, correct, and that you had had

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maybe one beer or seltzer, right, And you said that
was nothing out of the ordinary, but there were maybe
more people there than usual, right, And you noted that
they were mostly older kids.

Speaker 10 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm a year below them, so, and Tyler Rich
is a year above me. So it was majority of
his friends and maybe a year above him as well.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
So there were some seniors there, and there were some
kids that had already graduated, correct. And that was the
majority of the kids that were there. And these were
all kids, for the most part, that were on the
Shelton High football team.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
I would say, did you also play any sports.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Atlas offall for two years in high school?

Speaker 7 (06:07):
But this wasn't a Shelton High softball party. And then
you said a little bit later, you saw two other people,
Griffin Marsinsic and Ryan Hines, right, And How did you
know gryffin Marsinsic I went.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
To high school together. I would hang out with him
on occasion, and he was a.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Younger kid, right. And then you also told us that
you saw Ryan Hines, right, and he was also a
younger kid, right. Yeah. And you told us that they
had been brought there by Charlie Connery, right, and that
he had left the party in fact.

Speaker 8 (06:37):
To go and pick them up, right, Yeah, that I'm
aware of.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
After people downstairs were talking about a fight that had
occurred previously, right, as far as you knew, that's why
they were coming over there, right, yeah. And then you
told us that at some point you had gone outside
because it was hot downstairs in the bag, correct. And

(07:01):
then you were already outside, you said, with Matthew Lakovic
and some others. Do you remember who those others were?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't. There was a it was just group.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
Outside, okay, and this group was it? Were there any
other girls in this group?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm not sure who exactly. I just know there were
people outside.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
Do you remember how many people were outside?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Not many, I'd say, like maybe six people outside.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
I'm gonna show you another on thank you. I'm gonna
show you what's been marked now on State's fifty two.
Can you point out to us where you were using
that pointer that's beside you when you were outside and
it was hot and you were with these six other folks.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
So I was standing in front of the door, the
cellar doors at that.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Point, okay, So we can't see it on this correct
And outside that evening it was dark. You told us
there were some lights on the house. There were also
some folks with well not at this point with drawn.
It was rainy that night.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't know. I don't remember the weather.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
Do you recall any missing, any sort of drizzle or
anything like that. And when you were out there, you
told us that you saw a car drive by, right, Yeah,
What was that car doing when you saw it drive by?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was just driving down the street at that point.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Was it driving past you on Laurel Glenn Drive or
did it drive past you up.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Adams down Laurel Glen Drive.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Okay, so it came by Laurel Glenn Drive. Didn't do anything.
Did you watch it go further down the street.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I just watched it drive by, Okay.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
Did any of the people that you were with seemed
to notice that car come, I think so. And what
did they do when they noticed car go by?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think people just went to the front.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
They moved up to the front of the lawn. Okay,
so the group moved closer to the road at that point,
following this.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Car, not following the car moving to the front yard.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
And you said that Ricky Fiola and Tyler Rich went
up to the front of the yard, right, yeah, And
do you remember anybody else who went up to the
front of the art. Did Matthew Lokovich.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Go up to the front of the art?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Possibly, I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
And you said that, And so at some point did
the car come back?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:39):
And when it came back, which way was it facing?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
It was facing towards I think it's help you farmhouse?
I believe is that the street at the end.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Help If so, let's war ourselves. You described the car
coming by and going down Laurel Glenn towards farmhouse, right,
And now you say the car came back at some point, Okay,
when it came back, which way was it facing? So
it came back from farmhouse and then it was facing
towards farmhouse.

Speaker 10 (10:13):
If they turned around or went around the cirt like
if you go down farmhouse and go down the other
street back on atoms don't make it like a square.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So I don't know if they turned around or what
they did.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Did you see them coming back from farmhouse up Laurel Glenn?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
No, they so they came from Adams and went down.
I'm assuming that's what they did, because when they.

Speaker 10 (10:37):
Came to Laurel Glenn, they went down the street towards
farmhouse again.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Okay. And you say that they came to a stop
in front of the house.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna put the.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Other exit back up there. And at this point you
said that the hounded pilots stopped right yeah, And when
it pulled up, where was it located?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'd say, like.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Right there by the curb, not across the street, not
by the mailbox. And were you still standing back by
the billco doors.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I had walked up a little more at that point.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
Where were you standing at that point?

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (11:22):
You're made the record reflect that the witness has pointed
to the shaded area by the tree line and the
rear driver's side of the black truck that's parked in
the driveway on.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
The exhibit the report information than you And at.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
That point were other people coming out of the.

Speaker 10 (11:42):
House coming out of a house? I'm not sure it
was the people that were outside that I saw.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Do you remember whether any other people came out of
the house.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Did anybody pass you?

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I think a couple of people maybe, Okay?

Speaker 7 (11:57):
And did those people appear to be coming from behind you?
And behind you at this point is where the house
was car and a few people. You say, how many
people do you recall passing you?

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Three?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Maybe?

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Just three? And could you see Matthew Lokovich.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
At that point?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
He was standing with me?

Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yeah, he was standing beside you. What was he doing the.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Same thing I was doing standing there?

Speaker 7 (12:21):
And was he saying anything?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I think we were just watching, okay, And.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
You're both standing in that same area. And do you
recall anybody else that was standing with you in Matthew Lockovich?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
No, I don't.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Do you recall see Jimmy McGrath at that point?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I think he was inside at that point, so you
don't recall seeing him.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Do you recall seeing Tyler Rich?

Speaker 8 (12:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Where was he in the fire yard, in the front
yard by the curb?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Had he approached the car?

Speaker 5 (12:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:49):
So he was throating like where that green tree is?

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Okay, okay, you're honoring me. The record reflect that the
witness has pointed to the soul green tree directly in
the middle of the exhibit. And who else was with
Tyler Rich at that point?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think it was just Ricky.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
I didn't see just Tyler and Ricky them in that
spot that I remember. Yeah, was anybody else there?

Speaker 10 (13:16):
I think there was other people around, but I don't
remember who exactly.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
How many other people do you think were there?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I really don't remember.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Did you see face on teal?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Did you see Tommy Connory?

Speaker 8 (13:33):
No?

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Did you see Mike sam Perry, Did you see South Perry?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't remember. I really don't remember. Who was at
the car.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Did you see Jacob Illolobos not at that point?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
No.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Did you see Nikki di Jesus not.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
At that point.

Speaker 11 (13:49):
No.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Did you see tide Wood, No, not at that point.
Did you see Tanner Chronowski?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Not at that point?

Speaker 7 (13:58):
And so you've got yourself and Matthew Lokovich standing at
this point you remained in that same spot. Did you
ever move from that spot to go back inside? Did
you ever get any closer to the vehicle, did Matthew
Lokovich ever get any closer.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
To the vehicle, I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
Did you see Ryan Hines, No, not at that point.
Did you see Griffin Marsinsei not at that point. And
so you've said that you saw just Tyler rich and
Ricky Fiola approaching the vehicle that I remember, yes, And
what did they do as they approached the vehicle?

Speaker 10 (14:39):
I don't remember them approaching the vehicle. I remember being
in the front yard walking towards the car, and a
bunch of other people were in the front or I
wouldn't say a bunch, but a couple.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Of people were in the front.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
And when they were getting closer to the cars when
I went inside.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
Okay, did you ever at any point hear them getting loud?

Speaker 11 (15:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Not no.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Did you hear any banging?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
No? I heard think for things being thrown from both sides,
But then I went inside.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
You say you heard things being thrown from both sides.
How could you hear something being thrown from both sides?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
You can hear, I'd say, it can like being hitting
the ground, like the driveway. You could hear it hitting.
You can hear something hit the car.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
Okay, but you didn't hear any yelling or anything aggressive
before that.

Speaker 10 (15:38):
I don't remember exactly if they were yelling or not.
I just remember things being thrown.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
So you heard things getting thrown. Did you see anybody
surround the car? Was Matthew Lockovich beside you the whole time?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
No?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Where did he go?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I think he stayed outside. I went inside.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
And so when by the time you went inside, you
hadn't heard any.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yelling, No, not that I remember.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
You hadn't heard any screaming. No, you hadn't heard any curses.
You hadn't heard any threats being made. You didn't see
anybody touch the car. You didn't see anybody other than
Tyler rich and Ricky feel near the car, but they
weren't touching the car. You didn't see them throw anything
at the car. You didn't see anybody get out of

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the car. And so then you turn around and went
back inside. And who was inside when you went back inside?

Speaker 10 (16:38):
Then I was with my friend Lily Makila Hole and
Jimmy was down there is he Silvis.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I was just standing with those girls.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Before you went back inside. I think you told us
on Friday that there were that you could see flashlights,
and when you say, flashlights. Do you meet on a phone?
So you could see people with their phones already out
and their flashlights on.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You could see lights, so I was assuming it was
coming from their phones. Yes.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
And how many did you see?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
A couple?

Speaker 5 (17:09):
A couple?

Speaker 7 (17:11):
And you said that at some point you became aware
that people were going back outside. Yeah, how did you
become aware that people were going back outside?

Speaker 10 (17:30):
I saw people going outside and then people were talking
about it.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Let's break that down a little bit. When you went
back inside, did you go sit down somewhere?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think I just stood right by the door the
stairs to go outside.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
At the bottom of the stairs. Do you remember anybody
that was down there at the bottom of the stairs with.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You at that point? Jimmy was down there.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Jimmy was down there at the bottom of the stairs
with you, anybody else?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I was just talking to him, so I didn't really
check around. Who was wrong me?

Speaker 7 (18:08):
And you said you became aware because people started going
back outside. They were passing you to get up the stairs.
How many people went past you?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Were you the last one to go back outside?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
No, I think there are people behind me.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
Did everybody empty out of the basement.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
No, How do you know that, because when I was
leaving there were still people down there.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
How do you know that they didn't come out after you?

Speaker 8 (18:37):
I mean they could have, So you're not sure.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Sure.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Did Jimmy go back outside with you?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
So you're talking to him down at bottom of the stairs,
and you don't know whether or not he went back
outside with you.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
And you said when you went back outside that people
started walking up the street towards Farmhouse Lane, right. And
did you see a vehicle down there?

Speaker 8 (19:04):
Yea?

Speaker 7 (19:07):
What vehicle? Did you understand that to be? It was
Pilot and the Honda Pilot that's the car that had
pulled up before. Correct? Had you seen who was inside
the vehicle at that point?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Ye?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
And you said the people started walking up the street, right?
Did you see anybody running up the street? Did you
hear anybody yelling as they were going down the street?
Did you see anybody throwing anything as they were going
down the street? How many people did you see going
down the street?

Speaker 10 (19:42):
They were already like down towards farmhouse by the time
I started walking outside, So there were people just standing
up there, and then there were people sitting on the curb,
there are a couple sitting on the.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Curb, okay. And you said that of these people that
were walking up the street, one of them that you
identified for us was Tyler Right, Matthew Lokovich, Ricky Fiola.
Did you see Ryan Hines go up the street? Did
you see Griffin marsons It go up the street? Did
you see Jimmy McGrath go up the street? Did you

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see Jimmy McGrath when you were outside. Did you see
Michael sam Perry go up the street? Jacob Illa Lobos?
The only three people that you can identify who walked
up the street were Tyler Rich, Matthew Lokovich, and Ricky Fiola. Yes,
did you see Faison till at that point? And you

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told us you didn't hear any screaming, didn't hear any yelling,
didn't see or hear anything being thrown. And you said
that you yourself walked up the street at that point,
right about a quarter of the way down towards Laurel
Glenn drive right towards farmhouse, towards farmhouse on Laurel Len

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And was anybody else walking with you? And you said
at that point you could see a car park about
three quarters of the way down Laurel Glenn Drive towards
Farmhouse Stas And you said you saw some people standing there, correct?
Could you identify who those people were?

Speaker 5 (21:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I was far back.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
You didn't see anyone running after the vehicle. And you
watched Exhibit number forty four that was the ring video
from across the street. Do you remember that? But you
told us that you didn't see anything that that had shown.
You told us you spent about thirty seconds down the street, correct.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Say a couple of seconds? Definitely, not thirty seconds, A
couple seconds.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
You spent a couple of seconds down the street. Were
you with anybody during that time? Just by yourself? And
then you turned around and went back to Tyler Rich's house. Yes,
And you said when you were back inside, everyone was
in the basement, but not Ricky Fiola. So not everybody,

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not Tyler Rich, not Matthew Lokovich. Was Jimmy McGrath in
the basement? Was Ryan Hines in the basement?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Griffin Marsensey, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I believe was in there.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
Where did you see Faison?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think he was on the couch. If I'm not
mistaken who was sitting with him on the couch? I
don't remember.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Did you see Tommy Connery? I don't remember Charlie Connery.
I don't remember Jacob Villa Lobos.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
Alex Bernson, No, I didn't see him. Tyler Chernowski Who
Tyler Turnowskiowski? You said, Ricky Fiola and Tyler Rich Those
are Matthew Lokovic's friends, Right. You did tell us that
also in the basement was Lily Lombardi is the Sylvas yep?

(23:03):
And MICHAELA. Holton, Right, So you do remember that they
were there as well. Yeah, And you're certain that Jimmy
McGrath was down there and he told us you thought
something bad was going to happen, right, that everyone was
going on about it, right.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I wouldn't say going on about it, but there was
discussion about it.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Well, how would you describe that discussion about it? Just
talking just like calmly, like you and I are just
talking about what had happened out front, And how are
they describing what had happened out front?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't remember exactly what they were saying.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Did you hear any talk about wanting to fight the kids?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
No?

Speaker 7 (23:42):
Did you hear any talk about wanting payback. No, but
you thought something bad was going to happen. And you
told us that you talked to Matthew Lokovich and Jimmy
McGrath to stay out of it. So at some point
Matthew Lakovich came back inside. So now he's down in
the basement too. When did he come back to the basement,

(24:03):
I'm not sure he told us You knew that Jimmy
McGrath wouldn't get involved. Yeah, but Matthew Lokovich, if his
friends were involved, he wouldn't just stand by.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Were Matthew and Jimmy talking calmly about it as well?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
They weren't even talking about it.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
They weren't even talking about it. And then you told
us that you walked back out the Bill Coo doors.
How many other people went out with you when you
went out the.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Bill Coo doors?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm not sure how many people.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
And did everybody go out in a group?

Speaker 10 (24:41):
I feel like everyone went out in parts. There wasn't
just like a whole group walking up there.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Did they all casually walk out? Yeah, nobody was running
to get outside I saw. And then you described going
out back into the front yard after you walked through
the Bill Coo doors when you came back out. Now,
this is the second time you're going out into the front.

Speaker 10 (25:01):
Yard, right, No, this would be the third time I
went outside.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Okay, this is the third time that you went out
into the front yard. Where did you stand this time?
Could you show us on the exhibit, your honor, May
the record reflect that the witness has pointed to the
front of the black truck that has parked in the driveway,

(25:27):
in between the black truck and the red bush that
is parallel to it totally. You're standing there. What who
do you see in front of you?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Directly in front of me? Yes, would be.

Speaker 10 (25:46):
That would be Jimmy and Charlie.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
Can you point out where they are on the exhibit?

Speaker 9 (25:58):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (25:59):
So they're not directly in front of you, I'm sorry,
diagonal from you? How how many feet away were they standing?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Maybe like from me to.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
I'd say, like if the TV was a little farther
back and I was standing a little farther back.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Okay, So would you say from the wall of behind
you to do the TV?

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (26:30):
And so you could see Jimmy and who was standing
beside Jimmy, Charley Connery. They were standing side by side. Ye,
who else could you identify as being there?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Matt Lock?

Speaker 7 (26:44):
Where was Matt Locke standing?

Speaker 10 (26:46):
He was moving around so towards the end he was
near Jimmy uh So.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
And when we say Matt Locke, we're not talking about
not the attorney played by Andy Griffith.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, I'm not aware of who.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Don't know who that is.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
All right, So you say Matt was moving around when
you first got outside, Where was Matt?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm not sure you.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Couldn't see him. Was there anybody that was up there
by the red bush and the tree line where the
shade is, where you had been earlier?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
The truck is ever talking about right when.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
You described having been out there earlier.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
But I'm not sure if anyone was standing up there.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
You didn't see anybody up there, oh, not that I know.
Everybody was down closer to the front part of the
grass at that point.

Speaker 10 (27:38):
Yeah, some people were in the driveway. Maybe some people
could have been backed there, but I wasn't turning.

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Around to look.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
Did you see Ryan Hines anywhere?

Speaker 12 (27:47):
No?

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Did you see face on to you.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
At the end?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I saw Did.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
You see him when you first came out, and you've
described that Jimmy McGrath and Charlie Connery were up closer
to the curb. Did you see the vehicle, the hond
A pilot that you had described before, Where.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Was that parked?

Speaker 8 (28:11):
I would say, like her.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
May now there were made the record reflect your own
her that the witnesses pointed on the exhibit to an
area beside the mailbox port.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
We'll go ahead and reflect that on the record, Pink.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
And there were other cars parked in the road too,
right both sides of the road. Do you recall whether
or not it was raining or misty at this point,
I don't Did you see people with their phones out
and the lights on?

Speaker 10 (28:38):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (28:39):
And were there just Jimmy and Charlie standing in the
front of the yard.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I think there was more people, but I don't remember
who exactly.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Did you see Tyler Rich.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Where was he?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I think he was closer to theo, like near.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
The red bush, but towards the center a little bit, okay.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
Close to Jimmy and Charlie. And you told us that
you saw Tyler de Silva get out of the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I didn't see them get out of the vehicle.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
You didn't see them get out of the vehicles.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
When I had walked up, they were the fight was
already going on.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
You told us on Friday, though, that you'd seen them
run up onto the grass.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I would assume that they ran up onto the grass.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
I can see that.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
You didn't see them run up onto the grass. So
when you came out, the fight was already going on.
And who was fighting.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
At that point, Tyler de Silva and Lito and Tyler
rich or maybe Alex Bernstein.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
I'm not sure you've seen a video of this fight? Correct?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (30:10):
And how many times have you seen that video?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
A couple of times?

Speaker 8 (30:14):
Just a couple.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
Yeah, when was the last time you saw that video?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
The last time I spoke with the sea attorney? So, uh,
when was that. I'm not sure exactly what that was.
It'd be a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
In anticipation of coming in here to testify. So when
you say you would assume that they ran up onto
the grass, that's not something that you actually saw. You
don't know if these two people walked up onto the
grass or not. But you did tell us that at
one point Tyler de Silva was by the red bush,
and that mister Valley was behind him and closer to

(30:57):
the road. You said, a bunch of you were just
standing there watching, right. Who was just standing there watching.

Speaker 12 (31:07):
Me?

Speaker 10 (31:09):
Mikaela hole and are that I'm aware of. Everyone was
kind of just standing around, So I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
You said by the end that Matt Lakovich was standing
by Jimmy. Do you recall was wearing a shirt he was.
Do you recall when he took that shirt off? I
don't know had he had it on earlier when you
were standing outside with him. Yeah, I believe he told

(31:38):
us on Friday that Alex Bernston at this point was
near Tyler d Silva, but you weren't quite sure about that.
And you described it as being a chaotic scene, right,
everyone was everywhere, you said, but there were only a
couple of kids fighting and most of them were watching.

(31:58):
Was your recollection? And now you tell us that you
were watching, correct, MICHAELA. Halton was staying beside you, she
was watching. Did either of you have your phones out?
And who else was watching it?

Speaker 9 (32:13):
That?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I know Jimmy was watching. I I'm really not sure whose.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
When you say you know Jimmy was watching? Yeah, how
do you know Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Was watching else staring at him.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
You were staring at him, and he was standing in
one place, yeah, the whole time.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
About the same area at least, okay.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
The same area. So he wasn't standing in one place
the whole time.

Speaker 10 (32:43):
He wasn't just standing still. He I'd say, like moving by.
He didn't leave that vicinity over there.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
When you say that vicinity, can you show us where
he never left?

Speaker 11 (32:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (33:00):
You never saw him throw any punches. You never saw
him throw any kicks. You never saw him even get
close enough to do. So, is there anyone blocking your
view of Jimmy when you're standing there watching? Could you
identify where Tyler de Silva was?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Not when I was looking at Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
Now, at any point did you see Tyler d Silva
involved in the fight on the lawn? Yeah, okay, where
was he? Could you point out for us Tyler de Silva,
Tyler de Silva closer to the red bush? And how
many people was he fighting with?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
It looked like one that I knew of for sure.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Do you remember who that was?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Not really, I couldn't really see.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
And could you see mister Valley at any point he.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Was behind Tyler, so I couldn't see him until later.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
Okay, so you couldn't see where mister Valley was.

Speaker 10 (34:00):
I he was behind Tyler to Silva, so he was
closer to the curb, but I couldn't see him like fighting.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
And then you said, you recall hearing someone say he
has a knife, he has a knife.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Do you know who that was that said that, Charlie Conray.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
How do you know that?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I know Charlie's voice.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
And so that night you recall hearing him say that
he has a knife. Yes, and you told us she thought,
oh my god, what's going on? And then a couple
seconds later you saw mister Valley near Jimmy McGrath and
Jimmy McGrath. He was still in that same place, he
hadn't moved. And was there anybody else near mister Valley.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
At the time that he was near Jimmy? Yes, I
think Matt and Charlie were near him.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Where were they?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'm not sure. I know Charlie was on.

Speaker 10 (35:04):
I don't know what's saying Charlie was on, but I
know Charlie was near him, and I know Matt had
walked by him at that point.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Was mister McGrath's back to you or was he facing you?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
He was like, at what point are you talking.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
About when you saw him? And he was near.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Mister Valie, the defendant was lunging at him.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
When the first time that you saw him was and
you've described watching mister McGrath. Was he facing you or
were you looking at his back? He was facing me,
mister McGrath was facing you. Yeah, And did you see
Will Barardi?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
No, I don't recall seeing him.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
Did you see Matt Lakovich? And where was he in
relation to mister Valley?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Close to him?

Speaker 7 (35:51):
How close?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I'm not sure that.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
Could you see his face or could you see his back?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I think it was his I'm actually not sure.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
I can't What did you see him doing?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
He was just walking by him at that point, just.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
Walking by him. And what was Charlie doing.

Speaker 10 (36:17):
Charlie was just standing there, I think, just next to him.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
And you told us that you could see mister Valley
lunge towards mister McGrath and that he stayed there. That's
mister McGrath for about two seconds.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I was that sorry.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
You said you saw him stay there for about two seconds.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Mister McGrath, stay there for two seconds. I'm not sure
what you're referring to.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
After you saw the lunge.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
And at that point, was it just mister Valley and
mister McGrath. There was nobody else near them? No, no
other people around them or behind.

Speaker 10 (37:06):
Mister sides like where everyone was standing, but not like
directly next to them.

Speaker 11 (37:11):
No.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
And you told us you didn't see a knife, is
that right? And that you were first aware that Tommy
Connery had been injured, correctly, And you didn't see anyone
else at that point. No, but you later learned of
the others. Did you see Ryan Hines at all during
the fight?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
No?

Speaker 7 (37:34):
Did you see Tyler Rich at all during the fight?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Here and they're not. I wasn't really focused on him.

Speaker 7 (37:41):
Did you see Jacob Villa Lobos at all during the fight?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (37:44):
What was Jacob Villa Lobos doing.

Speaker 11 (37:45):
During the fight?

Speaker 10 (37:46):
I only saw Jacob push.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
You also told us that you saw somebody pushed mister
Valley into the road into a car at one point, right.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
No, he walked to the car.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
He walked to the car. Do you recall speaking with
officers about this in May about a week after the events.
On May twenty third. Yeah, and you went down to
the Shelton Police Department with your sister. Yeah, And you

(38:22):
don't recall telling them that it was just a big brawl.
And Tyler Rich at one point pushed Raul Valley into
the car.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
So they were wearing similar colors at that point. So
I looked, it looked like it looked like the.

Speaker 10 (38:38):
Defendant, and I think back to it, Tayler de Silva
had a jersey on, so that's how.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
I could tell it. Okay, so you're backing off of
that earlier description. Now, Tyler Rich did not push mister
Valley into the car.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
That I recall, now, No, I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
And you said that you could see him go to
the vehicle you were watching him at.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
That point, Yeah, because Jimmy was right there, So when
I was looking at Jimmy, he was behind him.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
So Jimmy was still standing in the same spot the
whole time. Yeah, And you could see mister Valley at
the vehicle. What'd you see him do at the vehicle?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
He just opened the door and came back.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
You would agree that's the same thing that happens in
the video.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Are you sure that you were telling us of what
you remember that night or what you saw watching the video.
And again, what you remember is that Jimmy was not
involved in the fight at all.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Right, I know that for a fact.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
You know that for a fact. How do you know
that for a fact?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Because I know he was not involved in the fight.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
And then you told us you saw mister Valley come
back onto the grass.

Speaker 9 (39:56):
Correct. Correct?

Speaker 7 (39:57):
You said he slipped.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
It looked like slip. I don't know if he what happened.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
Then he turns and he spins to his left and
he takes his arm and you see him do this
his right arm, this upward motion into mister McGrath. And
at that point you would agree mister McGrath's back was
to you.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
No, not I is back.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
Well, can you tell us what you saw?

Speaker 5 (40:24):
What your view was?

Speaker 10 (40:24):
So you were standing up like this, so it was
like to the side angle, okay.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
And was there anybody else around mister McGrath and mister
Valley at that point?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
No, not that I recall.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
They were isolated, just the two of them. Did you
see mister de Silva at that point?

Speaker 8 (40:44):
No?

Speaker 7 (40:46):
And then you told us on Friday that you are
studying right now criminal justice program.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yeah, it was part.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Of the inspiration for doing that. What you were involved
with on that evening and that's being involved that evening?
Is that motivated you to see someone held responsible for this?

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (41:17):
May we see State's Exhibit sixty Can we watch that?

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Do we have it?

Speaker 9 (41:23):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (41:24):
Okay, I'm gonna ask you to watch this video with this.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
What's the exhibit number?

Speaker 9 (41:30):
Please? I'm sorry?

Speaker 7 (41:31):
Stakes Exhibit sixty six.

Speaker 13 (41:38):
Oh, yes, yeah, you've seen that video before mus Capella.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Yes, And I don't do this to be gratuitous, so
I apologize. I recognize it's not easy for you to
do to watch that, but I do think we need
to break it down just a little bit. Do you
know who was filming that?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Not?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
At that time, I didn't know.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
Have you since come to learn that it was Tanner Tcheranowski?
Do you remember seeing Tanner Cherowski that evening here and there?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I don't really think I was with him a lot.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
Do you remember seeing him film that evening?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
No?

Speaker 7 (42:19):
So when he was filming this, you don't recall seeing
him walking around with his phone out? And where were
you standing when that scene was going on? That we
just watched there.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Right where I pulled it out before.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
By the truck by the front of the truck. You
hadn't moved at that point. No, all right, At this
point I have what I would like to have marked
as defendants exhibit the variety of purposes. However, I understand
that showing into the state, and I understand the digital objections.

(43:03):
Oh here for mistake, no objection.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Evidence defendants to.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
You, Ny the records flect. I've given the clerical great envelope.
He's marked as defensive civit.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
He's inside to.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
See everything else, clarification the record. It's dependence be not
to thank you.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
I'm going to show you what's been marked this defensive civit. B.
This is a frame by frame of that same video
that we just watched. Okay, we had some trouble going
through it slower earlier, so it just broke me down
to frame by frame, right, yeah, all right, and so
this is exhibited, and we're starting here at frame zero. Okay,

(43:58):
Now in this video here, this frame zero that we see,
do you see a person I'm gonna point up here,
do you see a person right here with what it
appears to be a light blue jersey of some sort on. Yeah,
and you can also see it there if it's easier
for you. On there, do you see that person? Do

(44:19):
you know who that person is?

Speaker 5 (44:21):
It's really.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
Fair enough.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
And do you see to the right in front of
that person, someone wearing black shorts and a green top.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Do you know who that person is?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And it's blurry? I can't tell.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
And do you see just to the right of that
person in the black shorts and the green top, someone
wearing lighter colored shorts and a dark top.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, with some sort of graphic on the back. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:51):
We're gonna scoot ahead one two frames and again do
you still see these same figures there on the screen?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (45:05):
And do you see that now besides the person that
was on the right of the screen wearing lighter shorts
and a dark top, that there is another person that
is emerging wearing a similar outfit.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
No, I'm sorry, I don't see that.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
They moving forward for you a little bit. Okay, Do
you see now in frame six that there is another
person wearing light bottom and a dark top that has
emerged beside that other person?

Speaker 8 (45:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
On mine? I can't even tell.

Speaker 10 (45:44):
They look like people, so no, I can't tell who
that is, like, right, here on this screen, I can't
even tell that it's a person.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
Can you see legs?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I can see legs, but let's it.

Speaker 7 (45:58):
Would you agree that that's indicative of person?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
On mine, it just looks like blurs.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
And can you still see those same figures to the
right of the screen on frame eight?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Do you see Matthew Lokovich anywhere here?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Not that I see now?

Speaker 7 (46:23):
And again that frame ten, to the far right of
the screen, do you see that there are at least
now two people closest to the right edge of the
frame wearing these lighter bottoms, dark tops that appear to
have some graphic on the back.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
You know, you couldn't identify who.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Those people were.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
And here we are frame thirteen. Do you see those
same two folks to the right of the screen?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (46:55):
And here we are that frame nineteen, and to the
right edge of the screen. Can you see that those
two figures. Can you see their legs?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah? A little.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
As we get further along here, can you still see
the legs of those two figures?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (47:22):
We are at frame twenty two at this point. I'm sorry,
I'll keep dropping it down. Do you see the first
of those two figures here in frame twenty three. Can
you see his legs?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (47:37):
Can you see his right leg?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Which one?

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Can you see the one leg that appears to be
back behind the others? And here we are at frame
twenty seven. Can you see that leg being drawn back
and now you can see the foot?

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (47:53):
And do you see to the left side of the
screen someone with a phone on?

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:02):
And can you identify that person as being Ricky Field?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Not from this I can't.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
Here we are frame twenty eight. Do you see the
foot of one of those two people to the right
side of the screen.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:16):
What does that foot appear to be doing to you?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I'm not sure it's.

Speaker 7 (48:22):
No longer in contact with the ground, is it?

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:24):
You see the bottom of the foot Yep. You see
that same foot.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
In frame twenty nine, Yes?

Speaker 7 (48:39):
And in frame thirty do you see that foot any longer?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's really blurry? I can't Here we are.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
In frame forty. Do you see those two figures with
the light bottoms and the dark tops and the graphic onland.
Do you still see them over here towards the right
side of the screen.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I just see one.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
You only see one? Okay? Here we are in frame
forty seven. Now, can you see the two figures again?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (49:11):
And is there a third person that appears to have
joined them?

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (49:16):
I apologize, miss Papella. I do not mean to be tedious.
Here we are in frame sixty three. Do you see
one of the two figures with the light bottoms and
the dark top over to the right hand side.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:30):
And do you still see on the left hand side
the same person that had the phone out with the
light on before?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (49:36):
Can you identify that person as Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
And I can't tell by this.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
We're a frame sixty three there, and again here we
are it's frame seventy five. Can you once again see
that there are two individuals over here with light bottoms
and dark tops.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
In the same area to the right of the screen again,
I can only see one.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Okay. Do you see this figure here with white top,
dark bottom to the right of the screen.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
And do you see to his left figure with light
bottoms and the dark top.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
Do you see to that figure's left another figure with
dark top and light bottoms.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
And do you see that the figure we just described
appears to be moving to his left?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (50:27):
The other figure appears to be facing more towards the street.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
Did you see Bryan Hines that anything?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
No?

Speaker 7 (50:35):
Never.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
I saw him Holly when he first got there, like
a couple of times, but I didn't really talk to him.
And then I saw him after he was stabbed, when
the ambulance got there.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
You didn't see him at all? Three? Yeah, do you
know what he was wearing that night?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
No? I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (50:50):
Do you see this figure here in the middle of
frame eighty four wearing a white top with some sort
of multi colored graphic on the back. Yeah, you know
who that is. And here we are in frame ninety
can you see to the right of the figure with
the black shorts and the green top what appears to
be a figure down on the ground.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It's a big door.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
Is that the area where you recall seeing Tyler and Silva?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I can't even tell.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Here we are in frame ninety three. Now do you
see a figure down on the ground appears to have
one arm over his head and the under arm on
the ground.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I think.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
Do you know whether or not that was where Tyler
de Silva.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Was not sure? From this.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Well, you've seen this video before, right where we got
these skill frames from thinkful. And do you see the
figure we just talked about in the middle with the
white top and the multicolored design on the back looking
towards Is that towards the road?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:00):
This is frame ninety six. Do you see this figure
down on the ground now?

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Do you know whether or not that's Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I can't tell from that.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Do you see to the right of the screen in
frame ninety six that there are the figure with the
black bottoms and the white top that we saw before.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:18):
And do you see that there's another figure in front
of him that looks like maybe bent over?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:26):
Is that the area towards the road?

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
And can you see on the very right of the
frame here in frame one o six again what appears
to be light bottoms, light shoes, and a dark top.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm sorry, can you point that out again?

Speaker 7 (52:46):
To the right here of the screen. Do you see
light shoes, light bottoms, dark top?

Speaker 14 (52:54):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Do you see Jimmy McGrath wearing the screen?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
No, not that I can point out.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
You told us he didn't move the entire time, but
he never engaged in any of the fight.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
No, not that you recall.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
No, And do.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
You see the figure in the middle with the white
top and the multi colored design on the back? And
do you see to that figures left, another figure with
light shoes, light bottom, dark top, and some apparent graphic
in the back. Yes, here we are in one But

(53:44):
do you see somebody on the ground there wearing a
light bottom and a light blue top? Do you know
if that's Tyler?

Speaker 11 (53:52):
And so?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I believe so?

Speaker 7 (53:55):
You don't see mister Valley at this point anywhere?

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Do you?

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Do you recall the fight picking up into essentially two
separate groups at any point?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (54:05):
And the fight involving mister d Silva was closer to
that tree that you've described in the books, right, and
the other fight was involving mister Valley, right right? How
many people were fighting mister Valley?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Is Matthew Lokovich one of them?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I'm not sure was.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Jimmy McGrath one of them?

Speaker 5 (54:25):
No?

Speaker 7 (54:26):
Do you see Jimmy McGrath anywhere in this video?

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (54:29):
In this frame here, this is frame.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
One four, No, not that I could point out.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Do you see in frame twenty four right in the
middle of the screen a figure wearing light shoes, light bottom,
and a dark top.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Is that Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I I can't point that out.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Do you see to the right of the frame again,
a figure wearing light shoes, black bottoms and a white top.
Is that what Charlie Connery was wearing that night?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I don't recall what everyone was wearing that night.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
Do you see Matthew Lokovic anywhere in this No?

Speaker 5 (55:06):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
Do you see a person in frame one forty three
to the left of the screen?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (55:14):
And do you see that person with their phone out
and the light on?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (55:18):
Can you identify that as being Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'm not sure if.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
You recall seeing Ricky Fiola that night with his phone
out filming anything?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I don't this frame here, frame one.

Speaker 7 (55:29):
Fifty seven, do you see an individual with their shirt off,
darker skin tone, and a dark pair of dark bottoms?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (55:39):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I believe i'd be face on to the right of
the screen, do.

Speaker 7 (55:44):
You see somebody wearing light bottoms and a dark top
short sleep?

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (55:51):
You know who that is.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
I want you to watch. We're gonna start on frame
one seventy eight. Do you see this figure here with
black bottom and green top. Who's in the middle of
the screen.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (56:11):
What does that person appear to do there?

Speaker 11 (56:12):
To you?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I can't really see.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
Do you see the leg, the right leg of that person?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
You don't see that?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
No, I don't.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Here we are your frame one ninety one. Would you
agree that the focus of the camera has now pinned
to the right correct, and that would be towards Laurel
Glenn drive right?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (56:42):
And do you see figures here on the screen?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (56:46):
You see one figure here to the very left side,
wearing lighter shoes, light bottom and a dark top.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
You see a figure in front of him wearing light shoes,
black bottom and a white top.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Do you see a figure right here wearing white shoes,
blue bottom.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
No top.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Apparently I can't tell by this this is really Greek
m What.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
Was Matthew blocked between the ema?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I don't recall exactly.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
From my.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
And do you see another figure to the right of
the screen wearing black pants, long pants and a white top.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (57:30):
And we forward through and we get do you see
two vehicles here in the road? Yes, one near the curve, yep,
one behind the curve, Yes, And it was sand frame.

(57:51):
You see somebody going towards the vehicle that's further out
in the road. Yeah, and you've seen this video before.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
And you see the figure that's closer to the car
reached the car right, Yeah. And then you see somebody
come into the frame two twenty six. Do you know
who that person is?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Did you see the interior light appeared to come on
in the car there?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (58:21):
And this is frame two forty seven. Do you know
who that.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Person at the door?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Isto?

Speaker 7 (58:29):
And you would agree. The camera has now painted over
to where mister Valley is at the car.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (58:36):
Did you hear mister Vallely say anything when he was
at the car?

Speaker 9 (58:39):
No?

Speaker 7 (58:40):
And you see mister Valley appeared to be looking back
towards his left correct right? And what was going on
to his left at that point?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Do you know, I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Did you see Tyler de Silva at this point? Not
in the video, but what when you were standing on
the wall.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yes, I believe.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
So what's happening to Tyler de Silva at that point?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I think he was in he was getting pushed onto
the out of the.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Road, he was getting pushed onto the road.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (59:08):
Sorry, Yeah, zoom in on his face here, cameraman does,
and then we see the camera pan back to the left.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
And now we are in frame two eighty four. Do
you see a figure on the ground?

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Is that still Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
He hasn't been pushed into the road yet.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
No.

Speaker 7 (59:38):
Is that different than your recollection?

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:44):
And how many figures do you see surrounding him?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Surrounding him?

Speaker 7 (59:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I five?

Speaker 7 (59:52):
Do you know who many of those folks are? Okay?
This now, this is frame two eighty six. That's a
little clear, correct. Can you identify any.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Of those folks the one with his shirt, Alex with
the red hot Michael sam Perry.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
That's really okay?

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
But you would agree that there are at least one,
two threes, four or five six figures that we can
see in that frame other than mister de Silva on
the ground.

Speaker 12 (01:00:28):
Correct, Then you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Can identify two of those?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
Ok.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Do you see mister McGrath anywhere? Now we are in
frame three one hundred and seven. Do you see on
the right hand side of that frame that there are
two figures, one with the white top and black bottom,

(01:00:54):
one with what appears to be a lighter bottom and
a dark top.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I'm sorry, Can you repeat that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
Can you see two figures on the far right hand
side of the frame while this is going on? What
we're seeing here? Are you watching mister Tasilva as he's
being attacked?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
What are you watching?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I think I was looking at Matt at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
You were looking at Matt? Where was Matt?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I think he was back more. I believe I would
just say behind this fight.

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I think it was like he was over.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Here more, okay, closer to the tree line or closer
to the road.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
The road.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
And here we go frame three hundred and thirty three.
You see a figure emerging from the right hand side
of the frame.

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
He's wearing light shoes, a black bottom and a white shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
He a green Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
You know who that is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That's Charlie Connor.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
And you told us before he was standing with Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Near him, yeah, near him, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
And Matthew Lockovich as well.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
Do you see in frame him three hundred and forty
five another figure emerging just behind Charlie Connery.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
Do you see in frame three hundred and fifty five
another figure emerging just behind the figure that you could
not identify that's following Charlie Connery. Yeah, who's that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I think that's Matt.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
That's Matt Lakovich.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
Do you remember him walking with these other.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Two individuals walking with them?

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I just remember him walking by you, like walking Mattway. Sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
Do you agree that he's not behind that fight that's
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
And do you see here in frame three hundred and
sixty four a figure emerged just behind Matt Lockovich, the
unidentified individual and Charlie Connery wearing light bottom, light shoes
at a dark top.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, you know who that is? I believe that would
be Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
Do you see in frame three hundred and eighty five
Matthew Lokovich?

Speaker 9 (01:03:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
And what was Matthew Lockovitch doing at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'm not sure. You kind of just was standing there
like that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
Just observing.

Speaker 10 (01:03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
In frame three ninety eight, do you know who the
individual in the middle is that appears to be pushing
someone who shirts up over their head.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I can't tell from that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:41):
And do you still see to the right of frame
three ninety eight the individual wearing lighter shoes light bottom
dark top.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, that'd be Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
And as we go past now onto frame four oh nine,
does that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Appear to be Jimmy to your Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
And you see somebody getting pushed out into the road.

Speaker 14 (01:04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
And you see another figure in frame four seventeen that
is now passing as mister d Silva gets pushed into
the road, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
And in frame four twenty seven you see mister d
Silva's left hand correct, Yeah, do you see anything in
his left hand?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Not that I can tell him?

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
No, No, you see mister d Silva go into the
road the frame four fifty seventh or de Silva is still
in the road in frame four seventy nine. Do you
see mister McGrath at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Not in this.

Speaker 16 (01:04:56):
Do you see mister.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Locke Pitch at this point?

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
Do you see any of those other figures that we
had seen before? Where were they at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
On the grass and what were they doing?

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
I'm not sure?

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
Were you still looking at Jimmy McGrath, so yes? Were
you looking at Matthew Lockwick we've.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Mount Yeah, I think he was just watching him.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Where was Michael sam Perry at that point? I have
no idea, do you know what anybody was doing at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
That I can recall.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
Now here we are framed four eighty five. Do you
see the like shoes like bottom dark top?

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
And do you know who that is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Jimmy?

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
And at this point would you agree he is not
facing Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 11 (01:05:50):
In the road?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
And do you see any of the other people from.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
That group not in this picture now?

Speaker 7 (01:05:58):
And it frame four eighty six? Do you still see
what you've identified as Jimmy?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
And do you see a hand on his lower back?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
Do you know whose hand that is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
No, it doesn't even look like a hand.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
Can you identify it as a hand now?

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I can't.

Speaker 7 (01:06:20):
Can you identify it as a hand? Now?

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
And frame body appears to be.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
Do you know if that's Matthew Lokovich's hand?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
Do you know if Matthew was still standing beside Jimmy
at that one?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I believe he was near him at that point? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
And where was Charlie Connory.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Then maybe a little bit in front of them, in
front of them?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
I think so?

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
And where wass On tal at that point?

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
I'm not sure Ryan Hines.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I didn't see Ryan during this.

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
Tyler Rich.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Not sure.

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
You see mister de Silda still in the road in
frame body yes? And do you see in frame five
zero eight Jimmy McGrath?

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
And do you see any of the other people?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Do you recall what any of the other people were
doing at that point?

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:17):
Do you recall what mister Valley was doing at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Could you see mister Valley at that point?

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
Not at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
Is somebody blocking your view?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Why could you not see mister Valley?

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
And it's frame five eighteen. Now do you see mister
McGrath is no longer in the frame right now? Frame
five twenty eight. Do you see mister McGrath or part
of mister McGrath at the left side of the frame?

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Do you recall seeing mister Valley at that point?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I think he got looser at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
Where was mister Connery standing at that point?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I don't remember exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Where was Matthew Locke standing at that point?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Not sure exactly?

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Are they locking your view? How do you know that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Because I remember I had a clear view.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
And can you see mister McGrath in frame five thirty two, Yes, right,
five thirty three yep, Fraine five thirty four, yes, frame
five thirty five. Yes. Now after seeing that, does that

(01:08:43):
in any way change your recollection of seeing mister McGrath's
standing in one area not involved in the fight. Yeah,
And you would agree that you did see him from
time to time there moving with a group that included
Charlie Connery, an unknown person that you couldn't identify for us,

(01:09:07):
Matthew Lockovich, your boyfriend, Jimmy McGrath, and another individual with
black pants and a white top that we saw come
across the screen that again you couldn't identify, and there
were other figures that you couldn't identify as well.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
But you're certain that you had a clear view of
seeing what happened between mister Valley and mister McGrath, and
that there was just the two of them. Correct. And
you can't tell us where mister Connery or mister Lockovich
were at that point. You we're dating mister Lokovich at

(01:09:46):
this time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
And you had grown up, you told us since childhood
with mister McGrath. How well did you know mister Connery
pretty well and his family? H Tommy had you ever
been over to their house.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
You didn't call the cops that evening, Correct, I did,
And you didn't go to talk to the cops. They
came to you. Correct. And that wasn't until May twenty third, correct, Yeah,
a little bit more than a week after this all occurred.
Had you talked to anybody about what happened that night

(01:10:28):
prior to speaking with the cops. No, you hadn't talked
to anybody about it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:33):
No, not even that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
And you wouldn't want to see Jimmy McGrath's memory or
reputation damaged in any way, would you. Oh, you wouldn't
want to see any harm come to Matthew Lockovic, even
though you're not with Matthew Lockovic anymore. Correct. And Charlie Connery,
you wouldn't want to see any harm come to him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
You've come here and you've tried to tell us, to
the best of your recollection, what you saw that evening. Correct,
Nothing further, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
A couple of questions.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
JOHNA.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Corn Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
So the defense attorney asked you just.

Speaker 17 (01:11:18):
Moments ago regarding you saw us a video frame by
frame of states with John Defense to be where he
had asked you on multiple occasions where people were standing.
To your recollection, you had some indication of where you
saw people, but for the most part, you were not
able to indicate where everyone was. From your best recollection,

(01:11:41):
was Jimmy involved at all? From what you can recall
that night in the fight, yeap, when the fight was
going on, Taylor, where was Jimmy standing?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
From your vantage point, where was Jimmy standing?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Where you were diargonal from me?

Speaker 17 (01:11:58):
And the whole time he was standing in that general
You indicated that he moved around a little bit, but
for the most part was he standing in that general location.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
In the end, they did in that same area for
majority of the time.

Speaker 17 (01:12:09):
When Council showed you the frame by frame of defense
be are you able to indicate at all for sure
who those individuals were who were wearing a dark shirt
and a light bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
No, it was dark. You can't even see their faces
in those frames.

Speaker 17 (01:12:22):
Do you recall off handages in here today if anyone
else at the party was wearing dark shirt and light
bottoms that night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
No, I wasn't focused on everyone's outfits, and.

Speaker 17 (01:12:34):
It's difficult to recall each and every individual what they
were wearing, where they were standing. But from that night,
what are you one hundred percent sure you witnessed that night?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I watched the defendant go up to Jimmy and stab Jimmy.

Speaker 17 (01:12:48):
And when you witness the defendant go up and stab Jimmy,
as you indicated on direct examination, do you recall if
anyone else was standing directly next to Jimmy at that point?
Was anyone else is defense counsel indicated putting his arm
around Jimmy or in close proximity to Jimmy at that
point when the defendant came up to Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Was it a purposeful stabbing?

Speaker 17 (01:13:14):
Yes, when the defendant came up to Jimmy, was there
any hesitation that you saw in him stabbing Jimmy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Think you have no further cons.

Speaker 7 (01:13:25):
Nothing further on.

Speaker 15 (01:13:28):
It's yes, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Think it would be any take one morning, Ladies and gentlemen,
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And I believe the state has one more witness to quantity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
To stay prepared to call it's next wedding. Yes, this
is the last winnings.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Yes, this will be the last one.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Okay that gentlemen of our Journey Council, please stipulate the
return of our jurors.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Stayble, stipulate defense, stipulate na thank you all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
At this point in time, I would ask the state
to please call it's next witness, please step in in
the wit response we named standing next is Mark Clike
is going to put you.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Under Thank you, thank your honor, appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
Right man, you saw me, swear saw me in sincerely
affirms the case.

Speaker 18 (01:14:23):
Maybe at the evidence you shall give concerning this case
shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
So help you got our upon penalty of perjury. If so,
please say I do.

Speaker 18 (01:14:31):
Please state your full name, spewing your last name and
address for the record, sir, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Good morning, Charlie. How are you doing good? Just do
me a favor. Keep your voice up and stay close
to the microphone because the acoustics are kind of bad
in this in this court. Okay, Charlie, can you tell
the jury how old you are?

Speaker 9 (01:14:54):
I'm nineteen years old. And do you go to school
that's a commercticut State university. And what do you study?
Construction management?

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
And are you working for the summer?

Speaker 9 (01:15:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
What are you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
I'm gonna enter for a construction company.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Now, how we met before today? How many times did
we meet a light? And why did we meets? This?
And back on May fourteenth of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 9 (01:15:19):
How old were you sixteen years old?

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
And did you go to school?

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Where'd you go to school?

Speaker 9 (01:15:24):
Sewn High School?

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
And what year were you I was a junior. And
did you play any sports?

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
What did you play?

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
I played baseball?

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
And are you familiar with an individual by the name
of Ryan Hines? How are you familiar with him?

Speaker 9 (01:15:36):
It's a friend who was my baseball teammate.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
It's a good friend of mine. State's Exhibit fifty six.
Tell us who was in States fifty six?

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Grind Hines?

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Are you familiar with an individual by the name of
Griffin Marsinsic?

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
How are you familiar with Griffin Marsinsic?

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
A childhood friend and still one of my best friends? Today?

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Direct your attention to later on in the night on
May fourteenth of twenty twenty two. Did you attend a
party anywhere that night?

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
And where did you? What party? Did you attend?

Speaker 9 (01:16:14):
Party at forty three Litrel Glen Drive?

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
And who lives Therey Rich and uh.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
State's exhibit But.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
You know whose house that is?

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Tyler Richard's house.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Now, what time of day would you say you got
to Tyler Richard's house.

Speaker 9 (01:16:33):
And thirty to ten?

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
And was it was it? What was the lighting out like?
Was it dark out where you couldn't see in front
of you? It pitch black? What was it like?

Speaker 9 (01:16:42):
I was able to see in front of it, but
that wasn't pitched black.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Now, when you got to Tyler Rich's house on that night?
How many people were a Teller Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:16:50):
Do you recall around thirty people?

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
And what kinds of things was.

Speaker 9 (01:16:54):
We're going on at Teyler Richard's house drinking, social gather ranges,
hanging out friends.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
When you say drinking, what kind of things were people
drinking here? And how did you get to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:17:06):
I drove?

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
And when you got to Tyler Rich's house initially, did
you have anything to drink at that point?

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Why not?

Speaker 9 (01:17:13):
Because I was driving?

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
How long would you say you were at Tyler Rich's
house for?

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
Initially in the beginning, probably half an hour to forty
five minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
And after about half hour to forty five minutes did
you have an occasion to leave Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:17:28):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Why did you leave.

Speaker 9 (01:17:29):
I received a call from a friend, Ryan Hines to
that he has just gone to a fight and kick
out of a party and I can.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Pick him up.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
And did you in fact go pick him up?

Speaker 9 (01:17:41):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Where did you go to?

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
It's growing him Attalia's house? I don't know where address?

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
How'd you get there?

Speaker 9 (01:17:48):
Did you? I drove?

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
Did you put.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
A GPS on and kind of follow ways or something?

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
So?

Speaker 10 (01:17:55):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
When you got to an Italia's house? Who did you?
Did you pick Ryan up?

Speaker 9 (01:18:00):
Yes? I picked up Brian and Griffin Marson's yet.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
And when you picked up Ryan and Griffin did you
leave the Tally's house immediately?

Speaker 9 (01:18:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
When you picked them up? Was it just the two
of them? Did Ryan have anything with him?

Speaker 11 (01:18:15):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:18:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
You don't call your call whether or not. Did you
see any either Griffin or Ryan drinking that night?

Speaker 9 (01:18:22):
Yes, they were drinking.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Were they drinking before after they got to Tyler Richard's house,
Let's say before at some point in time you're running
back to Tyler Rich's house. What had happened earlier on
in the night.

Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
And did they inform you about what had happened?

Speaker 9 (01:18:39):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
And uh?

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
At some point in time, Uh, you got back to
Tyler Richard's house, were you aware of a group chat
that was going on at all?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
I was not.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
And when you got back to Tyler Rich's house, how
did you guys go in the house? Do you call?
And where are the basement doors located?

Speaker 9 (01:19:00):
Light side of his house?

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
And when you got back down there? Did what happened
when you got back down to the basement?

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
Same stuff that was going on?

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Yeah? Are you familiar with uh Faison till?

Speaker 9 (01:19:15):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
How are you familiar with Faison?

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
Classmate? Great above me? Just knowing him for how you
played football together?

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
Showing your state's fifty four? Who is this that's Was
he at Tyler Richar's house that night?

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
Did you have occasion to talk to him that night?

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
State's fifty five? So you tell us who this is?

Speaker 9 (01:19:38):
That's my brother?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
Was he at Tyler's house that night?

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Yeah, State's fifty seven. Do you know who this is?

Speaker 9 (01:19:47):
That's Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
And how do you know Jimmy?

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
Uh football basketball teammate growing up child? Friend? How come
every weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Was he at Tyler Richard's house that night as he was?
Did you have an occasion talked to Jimmy throughout the
night that night.

Speaker 9 (01:20:01):
Yes, we had a conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
When you got back to Tyler Rich's house. Did you drink.

Speaker 9 (01:20:06):
Anything after picking up Gryffin and Hines?

Speaker 11 (01:20:10):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:20:10):
Yes, what did you drink? I had two bud lights?

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
And what time would you say you got back to
Tyler Richard's house at that point? When you got back initially.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
Around eleven, maybe maybe earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
And at some point in time when you were back
at Tyler Rich's house, did you become aware of any
type of group chat that was going on at that point? No?
How long would you say you were back at Tyler
Rich's house before with run? Did you become aware at
some point that a car had arrived in front of
Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:20:45):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
How did you become aware of that?

Speaker 9 (01:20:48):
I've heard that the kids that just fought Ryan and
Griffin outside, so I went outside to go talk to them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Now prior to the car showing up. How long would
you say you were back at Tyler Richard's house?

Speaker 9 (01:21:00):
Was that happen an hour? Maybe a little bit more?

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
And when you went outside do you know do you
call it how you went outside?

Speaker 9 (01:21:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
How did you go outside?

Speaker 9 (01:21:10):
I went to the basement doors, so around the front yard,
and the car was across the street of the front yard,
and I went over and talked to the person in
the passenger seat.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
The state's forty nine. Can you can you indicate that
states forty nine? We saw the car pull up initially.

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
Like the beginning of the road on the right side,
going facing down the road right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
There, right here, so facing this way or facing this.

Speaker 9 (01:21:40):
Way facing out facing up?

Speaker 19 (01:21:43):
Yeah, okay, so the record reflect the witnesses identified the
area just north of the intersection of Adams and Laurel Glen,
just to the left of where it appears to be
a group of trees on the property across from forty
through loud Land.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
And you walked over to the car, Yes, Do you
recall who you walked over to the car with? Was
there anybody with you?

Speaker 9 (01:22:10):
I got recall?

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
Was there more? Was there people with you though when
you walked over?

Speaker 9 (01:22:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
How many people would you say were with you at
the time?

Speaker 9 (01:22:16):
Eight to ten?

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
And when you walked over you spoke to somebody in
the car. Yes, what side of the car did you
speak to the passenger? So the right side of the
car if the car is looking that way, okay, front
passenger or rear passenger?

Speaker 9 (01:22:30):
Front?

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
And who did you speak to in the front passenger?
And what kinds of things were you telling him?

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
I asked him when he did and I was with
him the week before and I told him that I
like you like I think you're kid. I know your cousins.
I grew up with them and said, just leave. They're
just want any problems, Just leave? And how do you
how do you know tell the Desilla I noticed cousins

(01:22:59):
from growing up playing baseball, and a week prior to that,
I was left tired of Silva and his friends.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Okay, did you notice anybody else in the car at
this point in time?

Speaker 9 (01:23:09):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Who else? Did you notice?

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
Jack Snillier?

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
And where was Jack Snyder? How do you know Jack Snyder?

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
I was also within the week before that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Did you notice anybody else in the car at this point?

Speaker 9 (01:23:20):
Yes? But I couldn't recognize faces?

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
It was okay, so you knew there were other people
in the car, but you did know who it was.

Speaker 9 (01:23:26):
I knew who it was.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Who else did you recognize?

Speaker 9 (01:23:30):
Oh? Valet?

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:23:31):
And how do you know Raoul Saint Joe's student was
also with him? Before that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
And is Raul Valley in the president in the courtroom today?

Speaker 9 (01:23:39):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
And what is he worry?

Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
Black suit? Black tie?

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Can you please point him out for the record and
the record reflect you're on the Winns identified the defendant
in this case.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Or we'll reflect on the record with the witness has
identified mister Valley.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Now do you know Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 9 (01:23:58):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Do you know Sal Perry?

Speaker 9 (01:24:00):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
Do you know Mike Sampieri?

Speaker 9 (01:24:02):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
You know Alex Bernston yes? Do you know Jake Villa
Lobos yes? Do you know Matthew Lacovic?

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
How do you know?

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
Those individuals all friends growing up?

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
And were they present at the teller's house that night? So? Now, yeah,
you said you were talking to Tyler rich Tyler d Silva.
Excuse me, initially in front of the forty three Laurel Glenn.
Did you notice was the defendant saying anything or do anything?

Speaker 9 (01:24:30):
At this point? I did not notice.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
How long would you say your conversation lasted four with
Tyler de Silva at that car?

Speaker 9 (01:24:39):
Not even thirty seconds?

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Do you recall what kind of car it was, by
the way, that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:44):
Dark suv?

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
And so it was you said thirty seconds at some
point in time, well withdrawn was was the conversation with
Tyler de Silva?

Speaker 7 (01:24:56):
Was it cordial?

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Was it peaceful?

Speaker 9 (01:24:59):
It was peaceful?

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
At some point in time did did did the interaction
between either you and mister de Silva or anybody else
around you in the car become not peaceful?

Speaker 9 (01:25:10):
Not that I'm aware of what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
After that period of time speaking with mister de Silva.

Speaker 9 (01:25:16):
I walked away and I went towards the front lawn
where all the other rest of the party was there,
just watching, just.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Was talking with them. So you had a conversation with
mister de Silva in the street area for about thirty seconds,
and then you walked away. Yes, where did you walk to?
Can you tell us? On State's forty nine?

Speaker 9 (01:25:33):
Uh, in the driveway a little bit to the left,
like are like the lawn and like near the white car.

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Kind of probably this area here a little more up.

Speaker 9 (01:25:42):
Though, or like down like on the lawn down here.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
Yeah, okay, So the record can reflect the witnesses identifying
in State's forty nine the front right passenger side wheel
of this white pickup truck.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
So when you were in that area, we were able
to observe things that were going on at the car
at that point or what were you doing when you
went back to that area.

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
I wasn't really pay attention to the car, but I
was just talking with friends, like just I don't recall
what we were talking about, but just talking with.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Now, how many people were in your area at that
point in time? Do you remember on twenty twenty? Okay,
so there are about ten kids or so the car
at the car and then twenty like back at the
near your area. At some point in time, did you
have an occasion to see the car leave and for
any reason?

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Do you know why the car left? No? Do you
recall hearing or seeing any type of altercation that happened.

Speaker 9 (01:26:42):
At the car when the car was not moving right? No?

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
So when the car left, which way did it go?
Did it go up in States forty nine or did
it go back towards Adams?

Speaker 9 (01:26:55):
Went up?

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Okay? And when it went up, tell us what you
observed about what the car did went up?

Speaker 9 (01:27:00):
Says, there's people around the car. It sped off very
very fast, and it's got out the way, and then
it turned around and came back and stuff was thrown out,
and then people picked up their stuff that was with
our friends and went threw stuff back while I was
going back and forth speeding the car.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Were you involved in that at all?

Speaker 9 (01:27:19):
I was not.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
So did you stay in the area in front, in
the on the grass area where you just described in
States forty nine when this was happening?

Speaker 9 (01:27:26):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
How how many times would you say the car drove
up and down the street three to four And at
some point in time did it stop?

Speaker 9 (01:27:35):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
And when it stopped, what did you do?

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
Stop at the end of the road north all the
way down at the intersection of Loyal Gun and the
section of Loyal Gun and Farmhouse Alane.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
Here.

Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Yes, when you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Saw the car stopped down the area down in that area?
What what did you observe about it?

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
At that point?

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Did you observe the car was stopped or tell us
what you saw?

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
I noticed that two individuals got out of the car.
So me and a couple of my friends went down
there to talk to them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
And when you say a couple of your friends, you
call who you were with?

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
Who were you with?

Speaker 9 (01:28:25):
Ty would Matt Lokovich, Ricky Fiola, Tyler Rich That's about it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
When so you went down the street, when you went
down the street. Did you go in a big mob?
How did how did you make your way down the street?

Speaker 11 (01:28:40):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:28:41):
A couple of kids went, we're farther up than me.
We kind of went individual like in as two's not
as in a group.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
Who were you closer to you?

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
Call?

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
And who was further down the street? Do you know
who's further down the street?

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
Rich and Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
Okay? And when you got down were you how far
did you get down the street? Would you say that night?

Speaker 9 (01:29:04):
So where they were in the intersection?

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
And did you witness any interactions with anybody?

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
Yes? I witnessed that Rickey Joor was talking to Raoul Valet,
and that me at Logovich and ty were talking to
Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
And what were you guys talking about with him? What
did you say them? Did you say anything to him
at that point?

Speaker 9 (01:29:26):
On the leave? Said I the car eve And did.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
You ty Wood or anybody else that you were with
engage in any fight fighting behavior down down Laurel Glant
at that point in time? Well, did you witness Ricky
Fiola and the defendant speaking to each other?

Speaker 9 (01:29:46):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Did you hear what the defendant was saying at any
point during that interaction.

Speaker 9 (01:29:50):
No, I did not.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
How long would you say the interaction was between you
and mister da Silva down the street when you told
him to leave?

Speaker 9 (01:29:57):
Ten seconds?

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
And after you told him to leave, what did you do?

Speaker 9 (01:30:00):
Turned around and walked back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
Walked back to mister Rich's house? And when you how
long would you say did you observe the entire interaction
between mister Fiola and the defendant?

Speaker 9 (01:30:11):
Most of it? Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Were they still talking when you turned around and walked
back to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:30:17):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Okay. Now at some point in time, did you make
it all the way back to Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 9 (01:30:24):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Did you walk back by yourself? Tell me about how
you made it from where Tyler Rich was to back
to forty three?

Speaker 9 (01:30:32):
Laurel Glenn, I walked back with Tye Wood and Matt Locke,
and the Rets jogged up and caught up to us,
and then we walked back together.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
And when you were did you discuss anything with drawn
who who caught up with you and walked back with you?
At that point in time?

Speaker 9 (01:30:46):
Do you recall Ricky Fiola, Tyler Rich, Matt Locks, And did.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
You guys discuss what had happened down the street. Yes,
and in particular, did you have a conversation with Ricky Field?

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
And after that conversation happened, did you guys all make
your way back into mister Rich's basement?

Speaker 9 (01:31:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
And how long would you say? You were back in
the basement.

Speaker 9 (01:31:12):
For thirty seconds?

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
And at some point in time did you have did
you exit the basement after thirty seconds?

Speaker 9 (01:31:21):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Why did you exit the basement?

Speaker 9 (01:31:24):
I was told that they're back.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
And when you said, when you were told that they
were back, how did you get out of the basement?
The same way you went in?

Speaker 9 (01:31:31):
Same way I went in?

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
And when you you came out of the basement, where
did you go your fall? Where you went?

Speaker 9 (01:31:37):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Six to four? And you seen states four where you went?

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Yes, I went. I was hanging out by the basement
doors and slowly creeping up, but I kept my distance
from what was going on.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
What was going on when you came outside?

Speaker 9 (01:31:54):
I was like.

Speaker 8 (01:31:57):
I saw.

Speaker 9 (01:31:59):
Keep like lined up face to face talking to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
Show you stayed six? Can you show me in State
six where you saw people lined up.

Speaker 9 (01:32:07):
Towards the left by between like the bush and the truck.

Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
Somewhere in this area here, yes, And.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Who was in that area at the time when you
were when you when you came.

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
Outside, I saw ty Wood, Ryan Hines, Tyler Rich, Tyl
de Silva val and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
What what were you observing about all of them?

Speaker 9 (01:32:32):
They were just face to face talking.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
Who was face to face talking to Tyler? To Tyler
de Silva you call Tyler Rich? And who was anybody
talking to the defendant? And who was talking to the defendant.

Speaker 9 (01:32:43):
Ryan Hines and ty Wood?

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
And do you recall can you tell us on this
exhibit here h State six, where where was Tyler's the
Silva standing as opposed to where was the defendants? Can
show us in this exhibit?

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Uh, I Wouldson was more to the left, to the
left side, and those to the right there next to
each other, but was on the right and Tyler was
on the left.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Was probably closer to this red bush.

Speaker 9 (01:33:11):
Here, yes, and Tyler was closer to the truck. They
were they were next right next to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
And when they were talking, what was Describe what the
conversation was like when they were face to face.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
I wasn't close enough to hear, so you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Just heard, Uh, what did you hear? Were they just
talking or were they was it? Was it loud?

Speaker 9 (01:33:33):
It seemed more not peaceful as the other conversations were.
It seemed like something was stirring up there, getting louder
and louder. But I couldn't. I don't know what I
was talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
So were you still were you still back by the
Billco doors?

Speaker 9 (01:33:51):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Yes, witnessing this from back where this state state six.
See there's like this a cuit back here. Are you
back over here?

Speaker 9 (01:34:04):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
But could you from your advantage for you could you
see what was going on?

Speaker 11 (01:34:09):
Was there?

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
How could you see what was going on over here?

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
Ear the cueer view?

Speaker 7 (01:34:14):
Were there lights?

Speaker 9 (01:34:15):
Yes? There was a garage lights shine right at them.

Speaker 7 (01:34:17):
Did anybody else have their phones out the lights on
this point?

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
No, not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
But from that manage, how far do you think it
is from this area where the where the AC unit
is next to the Billco door to where this area
is here.

Speaker 9 (01:34:35):
About from about twenty feet twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
Feet So you could see, you could see what's going on,
You could hear what's going on. Could you make out
the exact words that people were saying?

Speaker 9 (01:34:46):
I mean at the time, maybe, but I don't recall
it there.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Okay, that's fine. How long would you say the conversation
lasted for between the parties?

Speaker 9 (01:34:56):
That conversation right there? Yeah, in the fifteen seconds I
observed the I observed Raoul making a movement and Tyler
Rich coming across and punched him in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
Did you now when this was going on, when you
were observing and listening to what was going on, were
you making your way closer to yes? Okay, And so
at some point in time prior to the punch that
you saw, how close were you in state in this can.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
Tell us a little a little bit farther from me
to you right now?

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
Okay, so probably about ten feet. Yeah, and at that
point in time you saw the defendant make a move?

Speaker 9 (01:35:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
What was What was the move like? Can you describe
what it was like? Can you show.

Speaker 9 (01:35:40):
Us I like something like that, like something like this
with no contact though, just one like this.

Speaker 5 (01:35:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:35:51):
I don't know what he was trying to do. But
Tyler Rich came across and punis him in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
And when Tyler Rich came across and punched him in
the face, what happened after that?

Speaker 9 (01:36:02):
But two fights kind of broke out separate ways, and
I just watched my brother run over to the fight.
I was going towards the left side, which I saw
Ryan Hines and faison te You over there with Rowel
Valet fighting him, and I saw my brother running over there,
So then I started going over there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
So you started when you say you started running over there? Yes,
on stage fifty two.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
Start, you're.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
That's where you walked. And where was the fight going
towards the right there? Okay? So they were they were
closer to the house when the fight started.

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
Yes, it was right here, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
And you started following the fight to the left, yes,
and that was the fight that involved who.

Speaker 9 (01:36:54):
My brother, Tommy Connery, Ryan Hines and.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
What did you observe about that fight when you were
following it?

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
Well, I ran over there, and then by the time
I got there, I just I didn't do anything. I
just stood and watched, and I saw Tommy sort of
standing over him as well, but more in it. I
saw Ryan like on top of him, and I saw
fas on also like or like on top of him,

(01:37:23):
like not on top of him, but like next to him,
like fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
So is there a path of travel? We'll say that
the fight took when you were observing this, did it
stay in one area or did it did it constantly move?

Speaker 11 (01:37:35):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
It first state in one area, but then everyone got
off of rabland and he walked away and that fight
was over.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Can you show me, like where where that all happened
in the best of your recollection over his years.

Speaker 9 (01:37:48):
Yeah, yeah, everyone got okay.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
And when you saw that happen, where did you did
you follow?

Speaker 9 (01:38:01):
Yeah? I followed him.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
Show me the path that you followed. And when he
was over here, I was over here.

Speaker 9 (01:38:14):
I was over here my distance from him.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
But keep my eye on why did why did you
do that?

Speaker 9 (01:38:20):
Because I was aware that he had a knife.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
And uh, did you engage in the fight at all?

Speaker 9 (01:38:27):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
So what did you observe when you walked? So you
did like a correct me if I'm wrong? You did?
Like it like it's almost like a semi circle. Yes,
And when you what did you observe about the defense
as you're doing the semi circle?

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
I observed when he got out of the fight, some
people pushed him to get even more out of out
of the way and get him into the road and
get him out of here and like just have him
leave and I just kept driving him walking and I
watched him walk towards the car.

Speaker 20 (01:38:55):
Okay, let me stop here, can I just this is
the stage you left up, yes, tifty two, fight breaks out,
the silva comes gets pushed back.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
This works one where the tree is in stage fifty two. Yes,
and the fight between the defendant hines your brother and
tib somewhere in the staria here. Yes, I'm pointing to
the area north of the red Tree station T two
on the left hand side.

Speaker 21 (01:39:21):
So at some point in time to shape the fight,
did they let go they live off with them, Yes,
and kind of follow this area when semicircle this kind
of makes his way over here and you see another
group push him out.

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
So you com house about that.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
I saw it.

Speaker 7 (01:39:38):
But a couple of kids like, did you other plane?

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
And when you saw that happen, did your did your
attention go anywhere else at that point? Now it was
your eye on the defendant the entire time this was
going on.

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Do you know if jimcgrass is involved in the fight
and the fight was going on over.

Speaker 16 (01:40:01):
Here initially with offended and uh your brother Faison in.

Speaker 5 (01:40:07):
Mind, he was.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
Jimmy McGrath involved anything going on to the right over here. Now,
do you know where Jimmy McGrath wasn't at this point?
And when you came and did the semi circle at
some point in time.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
Did you notice Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 7 (01:40:23):
At something.

Speaker 11 (01:40:26):
Here? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
Okay?

Speaker 16 (01:40:28):
At what point did you did you see Jimmy McGrath outside?

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (01:40:36):
So when you did the semi circle, you said you
noticed the kind of walked.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
Back from the car telling work where you saw one
back to the well that's over here, okay. And then
he closes it and he goes right back in. And
then I starts yelling.

Speaker 9 (01:40:54):
He has a knife, he has a knife. He has
a knife, because I thought I just went and grabbed it,
but unfortunately I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
And when you when you yelled that he had a knife,
he had a knife. Did you see him have a
knife on him at that point in time?

Speaker 22 (01:41:07):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
What did you what did you observe about the defendant
when he came back into onto the property.

Speaker 9 (01:41:14):
I saw him next to tire to silva, and they're
both in the road and no one was going after
them that, no one was going near them.

Speaker 7 (01:41:22):
They were just everyone was just looking at each other.

Speaker 9 (01:41:25):
And then the defendant went after the closest person to
him was jim Jermy McGrath and stabbed him.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
Do you recall if Jimmy McGrath tried to engage with drawing?
Did you see Jimmy McGrath at this point in time
just prior to the defendant stabbing Jimmy?

Speaker 9 (01:41:43):
I saw him right before like hardcore GX man.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Did it appear that Jimmy McGrath was he trying to
engage with the defendant?

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
No, he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
Did it appear that did Jimmy have a weapon on
him that night? Did Jimmy approach the defendant in any
in any manner whatsoever from.

Speaker 9 (01:42:00):
Your perspective, No, he didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
So tell us about what you saw. He comes into
the onto the grass area. When he's on the grass area,
do you know where the rest of the people are
at this point in time.

Speaker 9 (01:42:12):
Sort of stepping back a little bit from uh Rab
and tar Sila because they've heard the iyebeilt He had
a knife, and people were kind of stepping back to
where they were like more towards the middle of the
lawn or somewhere around the lawn, not near the road.
And the defendant went after the closest person too on

(01:42:32):
which was Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
So where was Jimmy standing that you recall? All right here? Okay,
so that's just the right. Uh it's like on stage
fifty two, just upwards and just slightly to the right
of where the mailbox was there is, So what did
you so take.

Speaker 16 (01:42:54):
Us through it?

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
He comes back on the lawn, you scream, he's got
a knife, and then what is he?

Speaker 11 (01:42:57):
What is he?

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
Where's Jimmy's where.

Speaker 7 (01:43:00):
He's on the Jimmy?

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
What do you when goes back? Jimmy's around here okay,
and everyone's around here now and then the lawn and
and tell me what you saw at that.

Speaker 9 (01:43:19):
Point go after Jimmy aggressively and Jimmy was trying.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
To get away and he stabbed him.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Did you did did did you see Jimmy take a
step back? What did you say?

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
I saw Jimmy trying to avoid it, and what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
Didn't And where did you see him stab Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (01:43:44):
Sort of like from my point of view, it looked
like the upper stomach range like lower chests right around here.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
Okay, So if the record reflect you're on he's uh
indicating on his own body, just the upper stomach area,
below the left chest area. And when you saw when
you saw the defendant stab Jimmy, what if anything did
you observe or hear next?

Speaker 9 (01:44:12):
I yelled out, I yelled, droped Jimmy's name twice and Jimmy, Jimmy,
and he turned around and said, I've been stabbed. And
then the next second he collapsed to the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:44:23):
And when he collapsed, what if anything did you do next?

Speaker 9 (01:44:29):
I froze and I saw people running towards them, and
I just started hearing screams of someone yelling I need stitches,
I need stitches.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
Do you know who that was?

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
Yes? I turned around and saw my brother on the ground,
just like covering him broad.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
And where was your brother? If you can use State's
fifty two, do you recall where you saw your brother?

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
So your brother was back on the other side of
maybe where that tree is. Yes, And was there anybody
with him at this point time?

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Recall?

Speaker 9 (01:45:01):
Yes, Wilberardi was with him. He's my cousin.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
And when you saw your brother, did you go to
your brother at that point?

Speaker 9 (01:45:11):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
And what did you observe about? What? Which where was
he stabbed?

Speaker 9 (01:45:16):
You? Recall, uh, above his his left leg above his knee.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Was that the first time you realized that your brother
had been stabbed?

Speaker 9 (01:45:25):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
What was his leg like when you saw that?

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Bloody like? Multiple wounds?

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
And after did you try to help your brother out?

Speaker 9 (01:45:39):
Yeah? Immediately ripped my shirt off and tired around his
leg to form pressure. And then my brother's friends told
me to walk away, that they had him and I wouldn't.
And then my brother was looking at me and saying
that go help Jimmy, Go help Jimmy. I'll be fine,
And then I walked away.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
So when you you when your brother said that, did
you go and try to help Jimmy?

Speaker 9 (01:46:04):
I walked over there, and there was a lot of
people around him, to the point I would even make
room over there. But I walked over and I saw
the condition Jimmy McGrath was in, and I just turned
around and walked away.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
What did you notice about Jimmy's condition at that point
in time?

Speaker 9 (01:46:22):
Very pale? Uh, A lot of a lot of blood,
shorts covered in red.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
Did you notice if anybody will else was stabbed that night?

Speaker 9 (01:46:31):
When I walked around, I noticed that Brian Hines, the
face on t over also stabbed and m hm.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
At some point in time, did you did somebody call
the police?

Speaker 9 (01:46:42):
Yes, we called the police, Oberti boll the police. I'm
more of that. I'm assuming multiple people also, did I
know that Wilberdy did?

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
And did the police at some point arrive?

Speaker 9 (01:46:52):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
And did did you speak to the police that night?

Speaker 9 (01:46:55):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:46:55):
I did?

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
And did you tell them everything you told us here today?

Speaker 9 (01:46:58):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Now I'm gonna show you State sixty. We've slowed down
in the areas. I want to just make sure.

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
That we're talking about the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Have you seen the video of this place calling and
seeing this? Do you recall at what point we see
the videos start? We'll watch it, I'll tell you what sounds.
So you see this area here of kids that just
went over this way to the right, nice?

Speaker 14 (01:47:32):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
Is that the time period of period of.

Speaker 19 (01:47:35):
Time where you testified prior to that there were kids
pushing the defendant.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
House to the street.

Speaker 9 (01:47:41):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
And this individual down here? Do you recall seeing this
individual in the blue on the ground? Okay? So your
focus is over here?

Speaker 9 (01:47:52):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Okay? And do you recall using state sixty? Where are
you at this point in time?

Speaker 9 (01:47:59):
I'm walking on round towards near UH where people are
getting pushed out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:03):
So is this is this you right here in the
black shorts and white shirt.

Speaker 9 (01:48:09):
That could be.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
And you're witnessing what's going on.

Speaker 9 (01:48:14):
Yes, did you get involved in the fight?

Speaker 8 (01:48:17):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:48:17):
I did not.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
You were called Jimmy McGrath was involved over here?

Speaker 9 (01:48:21):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
And at some point in time you see this the
finna goes back.

Speaker 9 (01:48:26):
To the the Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:48:32):
Yes, stop.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
Now who's this individual coming into the frame right here
on the right.

Speaker 9 (01:48:39):
That's me?

Speaker 5 (01:48:41):
And do you recall where Jimmy was at this point
in time?

Speaker 9 (01:48:44):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:48:44):
I do not.

Speaker 5 (01:48:47):
Do you know who this is on with the blue
shirt and white pants.

Speaker 9 (01:48:49):
Yes, that's Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (01:48:51):
At that point in time, you were all seeing Jimmy. Yes,
and you were call if he was fighting with anybody
at that point.

Speaker 9 (01:48:58):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 12 (01:48:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Okay, good now you see uh who's that being pushed
out into the street. You remember seeing that on the
ninth question? Yes, remember the defendant coming back into UH
onto the property at that point?

Speaker 9 (01:49:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
And this is this the point in time where you
testified on directing earlier that people were just standing there
and there was no more. Yes, And at this point
in time when the defendant is coming back onto the property.
What is happening because you can see part of the
video we don't see what's at some point goes out

(01:49:34):
of out of view. What do you recall happening at
this moment?

Speaker 9 (01:49:38):
People looking at them too, backing up a little bit
and no, no one fighting, no one like saying words
or anything, just looking at each other.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Do you recall what what the defendant did when he
came back on the property. Did he did he slip
and fall?

Speaker 14 (01:49:55):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:49:55):
He he went after the closest person too, and which
was Jimmy, and with a purpose and stabbing him.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Do you recall whether or not Matt Lakovich was close
to Jimmy at this point in time? Yes, he was, okay,
but Jimmy was closer to the defendant. Yes, And how
close would you say Jimmy was to the defendant just
prior to this this slide here or this uh this
is frame for twenty six. How close was Jimmy at

(01:50:24):
this point in time?

Speaker 9 (01:50:25):
I'm five to ten feet at.

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
That point in time. What are you witnessing here?

Speaker 9 (01:50:31):
I see Jimmy avoiding someone stepping back, So.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
Five frame five thirty five, Jimmy is actually stepping back.
Is that the point where you see him get stabbed
by the.

Speaker 9 (01:50:40):
Defendant three seconds right after that?

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Yes, Now, after this happened about you said you spoke
to the police how many times?

Speaker 9 (01:50:51):
I told him twice that night?

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Do you remember speaking to them on a on about
three weeks later June eighth, did you do any type
of walk.

Speaker 9 (01:51:01):
Through with Yeah, I did a walk through.

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
And what did you do? You remember what you told
the police with regards to where Jimmy.

Speaker 9 (01:51:07):
Was stabbed like on his body?

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
With yeah, your qual if you ever told him that
he was stabbed in the gut?

Speaker 9 (01:51:17):
Uh? I said he was stabbing in the stomach, the
upper reasion of it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
Why why Yeah, why would you say that he was
stabbed in the.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
Stomach, because reminding was what it looked like, so like
so when he's stepping back to it looked like below
his chest, just below his chest down like that's his stomach,
So the upper region of that. Okay, So I told
him you got stabbed in the stomach because I happened.

(01:51:44):
I didn't you know, I didn't know how it was
going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
Now, when when the defendant stabs mister McGrath, what did
you observe Did you observe him pull the knife out
of his chest?

Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
I observed his fists like this, and from the light
of the house, the light from the car around, I
was able to see, uh, something shining with his hand
like this, shutting out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
Okay, So he goes up stabs like this and then
pulls out and you see it, yes, And then when
he pulls the knife out of his out of his chest,
where do you see?

Speaker 9 (01:52:20):
What do you see the defendant do next the car?

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
Does he does he get back to the car? Do
you see him get in the car? Do you see
Da Silva follow him to the car?

Speaker 9 (01:52:31):
What do you see?

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
Do you do you know what happened to d Silva
after that?

Speaker 9 (01:52:34):
I assume he was in the car, but I didn't
see him.

Speaker 5 (01:52:36):
You didn't see where he went? Okay? When the car
when the when the defendant got back to the car.
By the way, which way was the car facing when
it came back was it facing towards Adams or towards farmhouse?

Speaker 9 (01:52:49):
Towards Adams?

Speaker 5 (01:52:50):
And when they got back into the car at that
point in time, which way did you see the car leave?

Speaker 9 (01:52:54):
Where did it leave towards Adams.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
At that point in time? Did you ever see the
car after that night?

Speaker 23 (01:53:02):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:53:02):
I didn't. Would you how.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
Would you describe the situation both during and after the
fight at the house.

Speaker 9 (01:53:10):
After the fight, during.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
And after it was a chaotic.

Speaker 9 (01:53:13):
Yeah, at first it was like chaotic, and then after
it was clearly worse than like just people screaming, people
trying to stay calm, people trying to give aid to
people that repeating, and the neighbors came and oup and
it was just people running around, calling the cops. Ambling
showed out. The cops drove down the wrong road and

(01:53:35):
I had I had to run out and chase them
to Tom. That was this way because I saw them
missed the house and just running around and then actually
had to calm down and stay calm, be calm in
that moment and just see what was going on, see
everyone and talk to them, like make sure everyone's just helping,
and and that was really it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Can't remember if I asked this question, I'm gonna ask
you when the defendant was talking to ty where they
he was talking to Tywood before the fight starts. Are
they is he arguing with Tywood?

Speaker 9 (01:54:12):
Not that I'm aware of it was they were, they
were talking. It was high pitched. I don't I didn't
know if they were arguing. They were just talking loud.
Assuming they're probably arguing, but I do, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
You're not close enough to really here other than it
was loud. Yeah, okay, um hm, Now that night, did
you see Jimmy McGrath with a knife in his hand
at this point.

Speaker 9 (01:54:33):
In time, Jimmy with a knife or with any type
of weapon.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
Did you see Tyler de Silva with a weapon in
his hand that night?

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:54:41):
I did not.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
Did you see did any of your friends? You see
any of your friends with any types of weapons in
their hands, both before, during, and after the fight.

Speaker 9 (01:54:49):
No one had weapons.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
I have no further questions, Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Issue cross examination within the next ten to fifteen minutes,
So if you could just let me know when you
find a gay place to stop.

Speaker 7 (01:55:08):
Yes, good afternoon, mister County.

Speaker 9 (01:55:13):
Very nice to meet you.

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Nice meet you. We've never met before. Correct, Sorry, I'll
repeat what the state's attorney told you. You got to
keep your voice up because we got to compete with
this fan that's going. And then you've also got to
say whatever you're going to answer, whether that's yes, no,
or something else, it has to be audible so that
the court reporter can record it. Okay, Okay. So you

(01:55:35):
were telling us before about the evening of May fourteenth
of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Yes, and what you recall?

Speaker 7 (01:55:44):
Right, Yes, And you're testifying here today after you told
us you'd met with the state's attorney two times.

Speaker 9 (01:55:50):
Yes, that's it was it?

Speaker 11 (01:55:52):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
And you also have viewed the video that we saw
here before Exhibit sixty.

Speaker 9 (01:55:57):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (01:55:58):
When was the first time you saw that?

Speaker 9 (01:56:03):
Probably a week after it happened, a week.

Speaker 7 (01:56:05):
After it happened. And how did you see that video
of the week.

Speaker 9 (01:56:07):
After someone showed me?

Speaker 7 (01:56:10):
Do you remember who?

Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
I do not one of your friends. Yeah. And when
they showed that video to you, did you tell the
police about that?

Speaker 9 (01:56:21):
The police already knew, They already.

Speaker 7 (01:56:23):
Knew at that point. How many times do you think
you've seen that video now as you sit.

Speaker 9 (01:56:30):
Here all around ten times?

Speaker 7 (01:56:34):
You told us that you were a sixteen year old
junior at Shelton High School in May fourteenth of twenty
twenty two, right, Yes, and you were a rising senior. Yes,
and you were playing baseball.

Speaker 9 (01:56:47):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:56:47):
Did you play any other sports at Shelton High not that.

Speaker 9 (01:56:51):
You're that you're only put faceboup. I put football when
I was a freshman, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:56:55):
And most of the kids that were at Tyler Rich's
they were older than you, Yes, And they were also
members of the football team.

Speaker 9 (01:57:04):
Yes, many of.

Speaker 7 (01:57:05):
Them were either seniors.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
Or had graduated.

Speaker 9 (01:57:07):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:57:07):
Yes, so you were one of the younger members, there
is a fair say, yes. And Gryffin Marsinsic and Ryan
Hines were also younger than.

Speaker 9 (01:57:16):
Most of the other folks there, right, Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:57:18):
And you told us that Ryan Hines was a friend
and a baseball teammate of yours. Yes, and that Gryffin
Marsinsic you'd known longer since childhood, right, yes, because Ryan
Hines didn't come into the Shelton High School system until
freshman year of high school.

Speaker 9 (01:57:32):
Yes, around eighth grade.

Speaker 7 (01:57:33):
First grade, okay, But you'd become close with him, yeah,
very close, close enough that after this fight that he
described to you at five Lazy Brookes, he called you
to come and pick him up.

Speaker 9 (01:57:44):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:57:45):
And he also told you that he had Griffin Marsinsic
with him.

Speaker 9 (01:57:50):
Yes, And.

Speaker 7 (01:57:55):
You went to pick them up. You told us about
a half an hour to forty five minutes after you've
gotten to Tyler Rich's house the first time, right, yes,
So would that be somewhere between ten thirty and eleven o'clock?
Do you think that you went to pick them up?

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
Oh? There?

Speaker 7 (01:58:11):
Yeah, because you told us you got to Tyler Rich's
house initially between nine thirty and ten, right, and then
you spent about thirty to.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
Forty five minutes there, right, Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:58:19):
So you think it was somewhere between ten thirty and
eleven that you drove to pick them up?

Speaker 9 (01:58:23):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:58:23):
How far away was that drive to Natalia rid six house?

Speaker 9 (01:58:27):
Eight minutes nine ten? Depends on red light, green light.
It's not that far.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
It's not that far.

Speaker 7 (01:58:34):
And you said when you picked them up, Ryan Hines
didn't have anything with him.

Speaker 9 (01:58:39):
I don't. I don't recall if he did.

Speaker 7 (01:58:42):
But you told us that you thought they were drinking, right, yeah,
before you'd picked them up.

Speaker 9 (01:58:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:58:47):
Why did you think they were drinking before you.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Picked them up?

Speaker 9 (01:58:49):
Because when I was talking to them on the phone,
sat they at their beer taking from them.

Speaker 7 (01:58:56):
And you told us that on the way to Tyler
Rich's house, you talked about what had happened at five Lazybrook, right, Yes,
And then when you got back and you were unaware
at that point of a group chat that.

Speaker 8 (01:59:05):
Was going on.

Speaker 9 (01:59:06):
No, I had no idea about that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
Did you see either mister Hines or mister Marsonzic on
their phones?

Speaker 9 (01:59:12):
Yeah, they're on their phones.

Speaker 7 (01:59:13):
Did they appear to be excited?

Speaker 12 (01:59:17):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:59:17):
Did they appear to be upset?

Speaker 9 (01:59:20):
Sort of?

Speaker 7 (01:59:20):
Yeah, and they weren't. Did they tell you that they
were in communication with any of the kids that they
thought had been involved in the fight at five Lazybrook. No,
But when you got back to the basement, you said
people were at Tyler Rich's house, you said people were
already talking about the fight at five Lazybrook.

Speaker 5 (01:59:40):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:59:41):
When we got there and I walked in with Ryan
and Griffin, they asked them. They came up to and said, hey,
what happened?

Speaker 7 (01:59:47):
Just like that, Hey what happened?

Speaker 9 (01:59:48):
Well, we heard about it. That's why I went picked
them up before I called them that. Oh Ryan Griffin
just up that fight? You got Tylers? Do you guys
care if I bring him here? They're like okay. So
when we got there, therey a where about the fright?
They when asked.

Speaker 7 (02:00:04):
Okay, And how many people came up to ask about
what happened in five days ago?

Speaker 9 (02:00:10):
All on ten people.

Speaker 7 (02:00:12):
And one of those was Jimmy McGrath. No, No, Jimmy
McGrath wasn't one of the first people to ask.

Speaker 9 (02:00:19):
But I didn't see Jimmy talk to Ryan Hines.

Speaker 7 (02:00:22):
Oh, you didn't see Jimmy McGrath talk to Ryan Hines
at all. Had you been at Nikki di Jesus's house
earlier that evening with Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:00:29):
No, I wasn't there.

Speaker 7 (02:00:30):
But you saw him in that picture Exhibit number fifty seven. Yes,
And do you know that to be Nikki to Jesus's basement?

Speaker 9 (02:00:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:00:40):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:00:40):
And you saw Faison Teal there in the basement correct, Yes,
you saw your brother there in the basement, yes? Had
he been there earlier when you.

Speaker 9 (02:00:49):
Left, Yeah, he was there before me.

Speaker 7 (02:00:51):
Did you both drive there together to separately? And so
when you got to Tyler Rich's house, where did you
park on.

Speaker 9 (02:01:00):
The side of the road, Uh, kind of farther up
if you're looking at one of the maps, farther up
facing towards Uh, I don't know the corners fit, but
towards a house for driving to his house.

Speaker 7 (02:01:15):
It's like up more towards farmhouse Lane. Yes, And you
were parked on Laurel Glenn facing towards Farmhouse Lane, down
further towards farm House Lane.

Speaker 9 (02:01:26):
I was parked facing Adams, but more towards Farmhouse Lane,
like up there more, Okay, So I turned when I
got there, I turned around and parked on the right
side facing that gotcha.

Speaker 7 (02:01:39):
So you drove down towards farm House Lane, turned around,
came back a little bit, and now you're parked facing Adams.
Is that fair? And there were other cars parked in
the road right, and there were cars parked.

Speaker 9 (02:01:50):
In the driveway right, yes.

Speaker 7 (02:01:53):
And so it was a little crowded in the street
a little bit when you got back to the house.
Was there anybody at Tyler Rich's house? Was there anybody
in the front lawn?

Speaker 9 (02:02:08):
When I got back with Griffin Ryan, Uh, not that
I recall. We went straight to the basement, didn't talk
to anyone, went right down there, and.

Speaker 7 (02:02:18):
You told us that you'd had two bud lights in
the basement, right, yes, And that was around eleven o'clock
that you got back. Yes, And again you said to
the state's attorney that you had not become aware of
a group chat that.

Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
Was going on.

Speaker 9 (02:02:30):
Right, No, I didn't know about that, But.

Speaker 7 (02:02:33):
You did become aware of a car that was parked
in the front of forty three Laurel Glen Drive, right.

Speaker 9 (02:02:39):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:02:41):
And you said you heard that the car with kids
who fought Ryan Hines was there, right, Yes, So as
you went out through the basement doors, your understanding was
that the kids who had gotten into the fight with
your friend Ryan Hines were now parked in a car
outside the house.

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:03:00):
Yes, And you said you walked outside, right. Who else
was with you when you walked outside at that point? Yes,
I don't recame. Do you remember anybody being with you?

Speaker 9 (02:03:15):
I remember a party going outside, and a lot of
people staying in the front lawn, and then ten of
us approaching the car. I remember, ty Richard, you want
to approach in the car. Other people too, but I couldn't.
I couldn't say who else was with me because I
went on. I went on the other side of the
car on my own. Everyone was on the driver's side.
I went to the passenger side.

Speaker 7 (02:03:33):
Okay, So you were called the party emptied out of
the basement and went into the front lawn. Some folks
you claim stayed on the front lawn.

Speaker 9 (02:03:43):
Yes, most of them stay in the front line, most
of them.

Speaker 7 (02:03:45):
And eight to ten people, including yourself, walked across the
street to where the car was parked.

Speaker 9 (02:03:51):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:03:53):
And you told us that you went to talk to
the passenger.

Speaker 5 (02:03:55):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (02:03:56):
Yes, and that passenger you identified bors that was the
first passenger, Yes, And that was Tyler D.

Speaker 9 (02:04:02):
Silva right, Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:04:03):
And you knew Tyler D. Silva correct from having grown
up and his cousins.

Speaker 9 (02:04:11):
Just rappened a weekend before that I happened. I was
at Poinson showing and those kids were there at that
friend group and I met him there.

Speaker 7 (02:04:19):
Okay, And you said that you had a pretty peaceful
discussion with Tyler D. Silver I like you. You're a
good kid. I know your cousin's right.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:04:33):
Did he threaten you in any way?

Speaker 14 (02:04:34):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:04:35):
Was his window down or up all the way?

Speaker 9 (02:04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:04:39):
And the rear passenger window was that down?

Speaker 9 (02:04:42):
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (02:04:43):
Did you talk to anybody in the rear passenger side?

Speaker 9 (02:04:45):
I did.

Speaker 7 (02:04:46):
Could you see anybody inside the vehicle?

Speaker 9 (02:04:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:04:49):
Could you identify who was sitting in the rear passenger side?
Could you identify anybody that was sitting in the backseat.

Speaker 9 (02:04:56):
Uh. I noticed the fendant was behind the driver's side,
and I couldn't. I those two kids in the middle
and like and next to him behind the passenger, but
I didn't know who they were, so I couldn't. I
didn't know who like, I don't mean to their face.

Speaker 7 (02:05:12):
Okay, could you tell if there was anybody in the
trunk area?

Speaker 9 (02:05:15):
No, I couldn't.

Speaker 7 (02:05:17):
And you told us that among this group of eight
to ten people was Ricky Fiola.

Speaker 9 (02:05:25):
Going towards the car. Yes, I didn't see Ricky. I
mean I saw Tyler. I saw Tyler Rich go up.
Maybe Ryan Hines. I don't recall everyone that went there,
but I don't remember seeing Ricky over there.

Speaker 7 (02:05:38):
Do you remember seeing South Perry there at the car?

Speaker 5 (02:05:42):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:05:42):
Yeah again.

Speaker 7 (02:05:43):
Now, do you remember seeing Michael sam Perry at the car?

Speaker 9 (02:05:45):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:05:46):
Do you remember seeing Alex Bernston at the car?

Speaker 9 (02:05:48):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:05:49):
Do you remember seeing Jacobi Logos at the car?

Speaker 9 (02:05:51):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:05:52):
Do you remember seeing Matthew Lokovic car?

Speaker 5 (02:05:54):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:05:55):
It could have it could have been then, but I
just don't recall who was Who's stand the lawn? Who
didn't Do.

Speaker 7 (02:06:01):
You recall seeing Tanner Chanowski at the car.

Speaker 5 (02:06:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:06:05):
Do you know what Tanner Chanowski?

Speaker 9 (02:06:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
I know?

Speaker 7 (02:06:08):
How do you know Tanner Chanowski?

Speaker 9 (02:06:09):
He's my brother's age. You grew up My brother puts
forwards with them, and I always knew him, just one
of all older brothers friends and then we became friends eventually, okay.

Speaker 7 (02:06:19):
And you said you didn't notice mister Valley doing or
saying anything while you were there at the car.

Speaker 9 (02:06:23):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:06:24):
And you said that your conversation with Tyler Disilva lasted
about thirty seconds, right, Yeah, that interaction never became anything
other than peaceful?

Speaker 5 (02:06:32):
Correct, would me?

Speaker 9 (02:06:32):
And tyed Silva?

Speaker 7 (02:06:33):
That's correct?

Speaker 9 (02:06:34):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:06:36):
And you said at that point you turned and walked
into the driveway by the lawn. Yes, And you weren't
paying attention to the car at that point, you were
just talking to friends. You said, yes, how far away
from the car were you at that point when you
were just talking to friends.

Speaker 9 (02:06:51):
Across the street? So the street distances around there?

Speaker 7 (02:06:57):
Was this a larger than normal street or was this
your typical.

Speaker 9 (02:07:00):
Street, typical back road street?

Speaker 7 (02:07:03):
And at this point you said, there are twenty of
you in the lawn driveway area and still ten by
the car, right, Yes, and then you saw the car leave. Yes,
And you never saw anybody put their hands on the car.

Speaker 9 (02:07:17):
No, I never saw that.

Speaker 7 (02:07:18):
You never saw anybody kick the car. No, you never
saw anybody throw anything at the car.

Speaker 9 (02:07:22):
I did say I saw people do that.

Speaker 7 (02:07:24):
While the car was still sitting there, when it was
driving up. I want to focus on before the car
leaves to drive away. Okay, you never saw anybody throwing
anything at the car at that point. You never saw
anybody throw anything out of the car at that point.

Speaker 5 (02:07:37):
No.

Speaker 7 (02:07:38):
You never saw anybody climb on top of the car
at that point.

Speaker 9 (02:07:41):
No.

Speaker 7 (02:07:42):
You never saw the car rocking.

Speaker 5 (02:07:43):
At that point.

Speaker 7 (02:07:44):
No, you never heard anything shatter as far as the
car goes. No, you never saw anybody on the rear
of the vehicle bouncing up and down.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
No.

Speaker 7 (02:07:55):
But then at some point you saw the car leave.
You told us, Yes, you don't recall any altercation that
preceded that. It just sped off down the road. Yes,
And he told us it came back and forth a
few times, right, three to four times.

Speaker 9 (02:08:08):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:08:09):
Again, you stayed in the grassy area at that point, right, Yes,
and then the car stopped at the intersection of Laurel
Glenn Drive in Farmhouse Land. Yes, Ohner, I think this
might be a good time to take a break.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
Thank you, Til and gentlemen of the jury.

Speaker 3 (02:08:27):
We're going to go ahead and move into our lunch recess,
so we will break inside two o'clock.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
At which time we'll.

Speaker 4 (02:08:32):
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Speaker 5 (02:29:06):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
It's after witness with the stands. Mister Connery. I want
to remind you, do you remain under the obligations of
youth you can you see? Yes, Pouncil, please stipulate the
presence of our jury before we share defense, stipulates John Well.
Mister Smith, if the attorney Smith, if you go to

(02:29:31):
come up.

Speaker 7 (02:29:33):
Good afternoon again, Miss Conny. You and I were talking
about the car having stopped the intersection of Laurel Glenn
Drive and Farmhouse Lane, when we left. Do you remember that? Yes,
That's why I want to take us back there.

Speaker 5 (02:29:48):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (02:29:49):
You told us that you observed two individuals get.

Speaker 5 (02:29:52):
Out of the car.

Speaker 7 (02:29:52):
Correct, Yes, only two individuals get out of the car.

Speaker 9 (02:29:58):
I'm mistaken. Three got a the car.

Speaker 7 (02:30:01):
I'm sorry, three got out of the cars.

Speaker 9 (02:30:03):
You. Trevor County also got at the car.

Speaker 7 (02:30:06):
And you said that you and a few of your
friends walked down the street to talk to them. Correct. Yes,
And that was ty Wood correct, yes, Michael Lakovich, Matthew Lakovich, Yes,
my fault there, uh, Tyler Rich, yes, Ricky Fiola yes,
Ryan Hines, yeahs. Tile. And you said that Tyler Rich

(02:30:33):
and Ricky Fiola were ahead of you, correct, yes, and
that you were walking with ty Woods right, Yes, And
you walked all the way down to where the car
was parked at the end of or at the intersection
of Laurel Glenn Drive in Farmhouse Lane.

Speaker 11 (02:30:46):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:30:47):
It was a little bit before it a little bit
there where the group was a little before the intersection.

Speaker 7 (02:30:52):
But you walked down to where the car had come
to a stop.

Speaker 9 (02:30:56):
When I got down there, the car must have drove
away or something, because it was only done at three
around there.

Speaker 7 (02:31:00):
Okay, so when you got down there, you couldn't see
the car what not?

Speaker 5 (02:31:04):
I don't aware of.

Speaker 7 (02:31:05):
No, So at that point it was the group of
you that had walked down there and just McKenzie Traffic County,
Raoul Valley, and Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 9 (02:31:19):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:31:20):
Were they all on the same side of the street. No,
Where was McKenzie traffic County.

Speaker 9 (02:31:27):
She was kind of sitting on the curb next to
Raoul Vallet on on the side of the street.

Speaker 7 (02:31:36):
What was on the other side, on the same side
of the street as Tyler Rich's house or on the
opposite side of the street, same side, So McKenzie Traffic,
County and Raoul Valley were on the opposite side of it.

Speaker 9 (02:31:51):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (02:31:56):
How far away were you from mister d Silva.

Speaker 9 (02:32:02):
Almost like not face to face, but like ad talking distance.

Speaker 7 (02:32:07):
And how far away were you from McKenzie and Raoul.

Speaker 9 (02:32:11):
Almost the whole street across No, like about sheet.

Speaker 7 (02:32:18):
And at this point you could not see Jack Snyder's vehicle.

Speaker 9 (02:32:21):
No, I don't remember seeing the vehicle.

Speaker 7 (02:32:24):
And you told us that you witnessed mister Fiola talking
to mister Valley. Yes, and he was still standing beside
Miss traffic Coanti at that point. Yes, And you said
you did not see Tyler Rich interact with mister Valley
at all. Correct. You didn't see mister Rich spray anything

(02:32:44):
in mister Valley's direction.

Speaker 9 (02:32:46):
No, I didn't see that.

Speaker 7 (02:32:48):
And you didn't see anybody except for mister Fiola by
mister Valley. Yes, so your recollection is that it was
mister Fiola, mister Valley, and Miss Traffick County on one
side of the street. Yes, and therefore yourself, ty would

(02:33:13):
Tyler Rich, the three of you, and Matthew Lockovich, I'm sorry,
the four of you were all on the opposite side
of the street with mister d Silva.

Speaker 9 (02:33:24):
I show the completely opposite of the road, but like
more towards that side, like not really close to where
Frickey feel it was.

Speaker 7 (02:33:32):
And you said that the three of you were talking
with mister d Silva.

Speaker 5 (02:33:35):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (02:33:36):
Yes, you didn't see anyone engage in any fighting. You
didn't see anyone chasing mister Snyder's vehicle. No, you didn't
see anyone throwing anything at mister Snyder's vehicle. You didn't
hear anyone uttering any threats towards mister Snyder.

Speaker 5 (02:33:51):
Or the group.

Speaker 7 (02:33:52):
No, I didn't hear it, and you think that it
was just yourself, ty Wood, Michael Lokovich, Tyler Rich, and
Ricky Fiola correct, Yes, just those five. You said you
spent ten seconds with mister d Silva. Correct, Then you
turned and you walked back right. Yes, you walked back

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to forty three Laurel Glen Drive.

Speaker 9 (02:34:16):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:34:17):
Did you pass mister Rich along the way?

Speaker 9 (02:34:20):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:34:20):
Where did you pass mister Rich along the way?

Speaker 9 (02:34:24):
Some were walking back with him?

Speaker 7 (02:34:27):
Who else was walking back with him?

Speaker 9 (02:34:29):
Ty Would, Ricky Fiola, Matt Lakovich?

Speaker 7 (02:34:32):
Did they pass you at some point?

Speaker 9 (02:34:34):
They caught up to us and then walked with us?

Speaker 7 (02:34:36):
Okay, you initially were walking back with Tywood and mister
Lakovich correct, Yes, and then you described all making it
back into the basement, right.

Speaker 9 (02:34:49):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:34:50):
Was anybody still outside in the yard when you went
into the basement?

Speaker 9 (02:34:54):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:34:54):
Who was outside in the yard when you went into
the basement.

Speaker 9 (02:34:57):
I'm not sure, but people were out there.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:34:59):
How many people were outside when you went into the basement?
Probably so then there were twenty people that were down
in the basement when.

Speaker 8 (02:35:07):
You went in there.

Speaker 9 (02:35:09):
Yeah, like seventeen eighteen people.

Speaker 7 (02:35:12):
You made it all the way into the basement. Yeah,
down to the bottom of the stairs. Yeah, where you
ran into Taylor Cappella talking with Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:35:22):
Oh, No, I didn't see that.

Speaker 7 (02:35:23):
You didn't see them at the bottom of the stairs talking.

Speaker 9 (02:35:25):
I could have, but I walked right by and I
went into the basement. Didn't stop at the stairs. I
went into the basement and we're just talking with friends.

Speaker 7 (02:35:33):
Did you see Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:35:35):
Could have. I could see them down there, I just
don't remember.

Speaker 7 (02:35:38):
You don't remember see Jimmy McGrath downstairs, Dude, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:35:42):
A long time ago. So if I walked downstairs, I
saw people, just didn't know who who was weird. It
was a big tent where everyone was just people were
down there.

Speaker 7 (02:35:51):
You didn't see Taylor Cappella downstairs?

Speaker 11 (02:35:53):
Did you?

Speaker 9 (02:35:54):
Could have been down there, but I don't remember seeing her.

Speaker 7 (02:35:56):
You didn't see Matthew Lokovich downstairs?

Speaker 9 (02:35:58):
Did you? You also could have been down on that.
But when I walked downstairs and I was talking to people,
don't remember who was where? Who's who was outside?

Speaker 5 (02:36:08):
Well?

Speaker 7 (02:36:08):
Do you remember talking to someone downstairs?

Speaker 11 (02:36:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:36:11):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (02:36:12):
Oh, you don't remember talking to someone downstairs?

Speaker 5 (02:36:14):
No, I might have.

Speaker 9 (02:36:16):
I remember if I talked someone. I remember who I
talked to.

Speaker 7 (02:36:19):
Do you remember talking to someone downstairs? But did you
not make it downstairs?

Speaker 9 (02:36:31):
I did? You did?

Speaker 7 (02:36:33):
You're certain of that? And then you told us that
you heard they were back. Yes, you understood that to
mean that the vehicle driven by Jack Snyder was back
out front.

Speaker 9 (02:36:44):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (02:36:44):
Yes, And at this point you told us that you
were by the basement doors slowly creeping up. What do
you mean by slowly creeping up?

Speaker 9 (02:36:54):
Like walking like? I wasn't running out to like where
everyone was. I was taking my time there because I
didn't think anything was gonna happen.

Speaker 7 (02:36:59):
You didn't think anything was gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (02:37:01):
We told them to leave multiple time, thoughts there's another
time or sure to tell them to leave any.

Speaker 7 (02:37:07):
And as you were slowly creeping up the stairs, how
many people went past you.

Speaker 9 (02:37:13):
Creeping up the stairs?

Speaker 5 (02:37:15):
Yes, I.

Speaker 9 (02:37:17):
Got out of the stairs pretty quick. But when I
got aside and I saw people face face and then
I started slowly cool.

Speaker 7 (02:37:21):
I see, so you went quickly up the stairs. How
many people passed you on the stairs?

Speaker 9 (02:37:29):
Don't really pass me? We're all going the same way.

Speaker 7 (02:37:31):
How many people were with you going the same way
on the stairs, about five or six people, just five
or six people.

Speaker 9 (02:37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:37:38):
The others remained in the basement.

Speaker 9 (02:37:39):
Yeah, Well eventually they probably followed me.

Speaker 7 (02:37:43):
Well, sir, I don't want you to tell us what
probably happened. I want you to tell us what you observed.

Speaker 9 (02:37:49):
Well, I don't. I couldn't see it behind me, but
everyone came outside eventually, so they must have came from
behind me.

Speaker 7 (02:37:56):
So eventually everyone was outside.

Speaker 9 (02:37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:37:59):
So there were thirty of you at that point.

Speaker 9 (02:38:01):
Outside, Yeah, but scattered out, not altogether.

Speaker 7 (02:38:06):
And you described to us that you were slowly creeping
up and that there were people lined up talking by
the bush and the truck.

Speaker 5 (02:38:16):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (02:38:16):
Do you remember describing that for us?

Speaker 9 (02:38:18):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:38:19):
And how many people were there by the.

Speaker 9 (02:38:22):
Bush and the truck around six people?

Speaker 7 (02:38:27):
Just six people?

Speaker 9 (02:38:28):
Yeah. I remember seeing four people I was friends with
it then, Howler, Silva, and Val.

Speaker 7 (02:38:34):
And the four people that you were call seeing were
ty Wood yes, Tyler Rich yes, Ryan Hines yes. And
who was the fourth person?

Speaker 9 (02:38:45):
I saw Faison over there a little bit, but he
was kind of just in front of me creeping up too.
Like the fourth person. I'm not too sure I saw.

Speaker 7 (02:38:55):
And you told us that they were just face to
face talking with Tyler de Silva and Raoul Valley. Yes,
so you did not see the car arrive, correct. No,
you did not see mister Valley and mister de Silva
approach this group. Correct. But by the time you got
outside you claimed that they were already up by the

(02:39:17):
black truck and the red bush. Yes, And it was
just mister Valley and mister da Silva that we're talking
with these other five maybe six people.

Speaker 8 (02:39:27):
Now you've told us.

Speaker 9 (02:39:30):
Da Silva were talking of four people, five and six
total including Rowland model.

Speaker 7 (02:39:35):
Okay, so five or six including mister Valley and mister
d Silva. Yes, So only four people out there and
then the.

Speaker 5 (02:39:42):
Two of them.

Speaker 9 (02:39:43):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:39:44):
And you said that mister Valley was to your right,
to my left before you described it as being mister
Valley was on the right. Was that as we were
looking at the exhibit.

Speaker 9 (02:39:59):
Yes, from my point in the view, because it it flipped,
it was mister Valley on the left and there's a
silver on the right, okay.

Speaker 7 (02:40:06):
And they were side by side. Yes, And you didn't
see anything in their hands, correct? No, but you could
see their hands.

Speaker 9 (02:40:16):
No, I couldn't. There people were blocking me. There's four
of them, there's two, so them four blocking my point
of view of them.

Speaker 7 (02:40:23):
The four of the parting were blocking your view from.

Speaker 9 (02:40:27):
Where their hands are. I can see their faces, I
can't see what their bodies.

Speaker 7 (02:40:32):
You could see over top of the heads of the
people that were in front of you, to see mister
Valley and mister d Silva's head.

Speaker 5 (02:40:38):
Objection mischaracterizes the response from.

Speaker 9 (02:40:43):
I saw. I saw them too, to see who it was,
their faces, but I couldn't see where their hands were.
Their hands were down there for people's bodies. I couldn't
see their hands, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (02:40:53):
So were these four people that were talking to them
in front of you? Yeah, and yet you could see
Valley and mister d Silva, but not their hands.

Speaker 9 (02:41:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:41:05):
And you also told us that you were not close
enough to hear what was being said. Right, But you've
described this group of six people as being right there
by the black truck and the red bush. Yes, And
how far back from them were you.

Speaker 9 (02:41:23):
First twenty feet but then slowly creeping up.

Speaker 7 (02:41:26):
Twenty feet away? Four people in front of you? But
you can see the two people that are in front
of them, Yes, and.

Speaker 9 (02:41:33):
Then eventually became fifteen feet and ten feet and then
the fight broke up.

Speaker 7 (02:41:39):
In any event, you told us that it seemed less
peaceful than when they were talking before.

Speaker 9 (02:41:45):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:41:47):
And you said at this point you were backed by the.

Speaker 9 (02:41:48):
AC unit a little bit in front of it.

Speaker 7 (02:41:52):
But that there were garage lights that shined right at them.

Speaker 9 (02:41:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:41:59):
You said this conversation that was going on lasted ten
to fifteen seconds.

Speaker 9 (02:42:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:42:05):
And at that point you told us that mister Valley
was talking with Ryan Hines and ty Wood, Yes, but
you couldn't hear what they were saying. No, And that
mister rich was talking with Tyler de Silva Yes, but
you couldn't hear what they were saying. And then you
told us that you saw mister Valley make a movement.

Speaker 9 (02:42:28):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 7 (02:42:31):
At this point. Had you moved so that you could
see around these four people that were talking to them?

Speaker 9 (02:42:37):
No, but I was able to see as a body
jolting because I was creeping up and getting closer and closer.

Speaker 7 (02:42:42):
I see you could see his body jolting.

Speaker 9 (02:42:45):
Yeah, like a sudden movement.

Speaker 7 (02:42:47):
A sudden movement, did he hit someone.

Speaker 9 (02:42:51):
No, he did not.

Speaker 7 (02:42:53):
Was he saying anything I'm not aware of. He was
still behind and to the side of Miss Da Silva.

Speaker 9 (02:43:01):
He wasn't behind him there next to each other.

Speaker 7 (02:43:03):
But you were standing side by side. Yes, they were
standing side by side, but facing two different groups.

Speaker 9 (02:43:13):
No, the groups were together in the beginning.

Speaker 7 (02:43:16):
And then you did see mister Rich punch mister Valley. Correct, yes, sir,
But when you first talked with officers on the fifteenth, that's.

Speaker 9 (02:43:27):
Not what you told them, right, Yeah, I didn't tell
him then.

Speaker 7 (02:43:31):
You told him on the fifteenth that same day that
either mister d Silva or mister Valley pushed the Shelton
High kids and the fight started.

Speaker 9 (02:43:41):
Right, I was wrong.

Speaker 7 (02:43:43):
That was wrong.

Speaker 9 (02:43:44):
What I said was wrong.

Speaker 7 (02:43:47):
Why at that time, shortly after the incident, did you
tell him something that was wrong? But today you're telling
us something.

Speaker 9 (02:43:55):
Different Because when he jolted, I thought he made contact
with someone from Shilling, but ended up not entire Rich
stepped in and punched him, And I didn't know that
the time when I was talking to the cops.

Speaker 7 (02:44:07):
And do you remember telling officers that same evening that
mister Valley was getting beat up?

Speaker 9 (02:44:15):
Yeah? I said that, and that everyone was on.

Speaker 7 (02:44:18):
Top of each other. Yeah, So after mister Valley was
punched by mister Rich, you couldn't see mister Valley anymore.

Speaker 9 (02:44:30):
Correct, No, I saw the two I saw groups separating,
and people went towards Valet and people went towards Desila, right.

Speaker 7 (02:44:41):
And you saw that there were a number of people
on top of mister Valley.

Speaker 9 (02:44:46):
Right around two to three people, because two people were
on top of them and one person was to the
side engaging in the foot, not on top of them,
standing over him.

Speaker 7 (02:44:57):
Had the people in the basement come out of the
basement at this point?

Speaker 9 (02:45:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:45:01):
Where were they all.

Speaker 9 (02:45:04):
Around? By standing just watching, just by standing and watching.

Speaker 7 (02:45:09):
Did you see anybody with their cameras out?

Speaker 12 (02:45:11):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:45:11):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:45:12):
Did you see any phones out?

Speaker 9 (02:45:14):
No I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:45:14):
Did you see any body with lights in their hands?

Speaker 11 (02:45:18):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:45:18):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:45:20):
And you ran over to where you told us that
Ryan Hines and Faison Teal were fighting to the left right, Yes,
that was where mister Valley was correct. Yes, so that
was one of the fights that was going on. Is
that fair to say? Yes, This second or other fight
that was going on was going on to your right
at that time. Yes, that involved mister d Silva. Yes,

(02:45:44):
how many people were fighting with mister d Silva.

Speaker 9 (02:45:48):
From my point of view, I ran over to the
fight where Raoul Valley was because my brother and over there,
so I wasn't paying attention towards the Sillla fight, but
I saw people on the side view hi running over
there and then.

Speaker 5 (02:46:02):
Assuming that people did.

Speaker 7 (02:46:04):
Did you see mister McGrath at this point, No?

Speaker 5 (02:46:06):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:46:08):
Did you see mister Lokovich at this point?

Speaker 5 (02:46:11):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:46:12):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:46:15):
And you say you ran over there, you got there
and you just stood and watched, correct, Yes, at that point,
your brother, Tommy, Ryan Hines and Faison Tele were on
top of or next to mister Valley, right.

Speaker 9 (02:46:30):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:46:32):
Then you told us everyone got off and mister Valley
walked away, right. Yes, But you watched the video with us,
and you would agree that he didn't just get up
and walk away, That people were over there involved in
some sort of altercation and pushing or shoving him as
you described when watching it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:48):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:46:48):
Yes, were you one of those people?

Speaker 11 (02:46:51):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:46:51):
I was.

Speaker 7 (02:46:52):
Was Jimmy McGrath one of those people?

Speaker 9 (02:46:53):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (02:46:55):
You said mister McGrath was not involved in the fight
at all. It wasn't all that off because where was he.

Speaker 9 (02:47:05):
One of the people by standing.

Speaker 7 (02:47:07):
Just by standing over Can you point to us where
he was what.

Speaker 9 (02:47:10):
At that point? I'm just saying he could have been
by standing at that point, I didn't know where he was.

Speaker 7 (02:47:14):
You didn't know where he was.

Speaker 9 (02:47:15):
I didn't. I didn't see him over there where people
were pushing out, uh pushing out?

Speaker 7 (02:47:20):
Okay, did you see where Matthew Lokovich was?

Speaker 2 (02:47:25):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:47:25):
I didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:47:28):
Do you see where Tyler rich was?

Speaker 6 (02:47:31):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:47:31):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:47:33):
Did you see where Ryan Hines and Faison Teele went?

Speaker 5 (02:47:36):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:47:36):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:47:37):
Did you see where your brother Tommy went?

Speaker 5 (02:47:39):
No? I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:47:40):
What were you watching?

Speaker 8 (02:47:42):
Val That's it?

Speaker 9 (02:47:43):
Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 7 (02:47:44):
And he was by himself.

Speaker 9 (02:47:45):
People went after they pushed him. He was by himself,
and he walked towards the car. And I was cue
in my distance room watching him.

Speaker 7 (02:47:53):
And where did the people that had just pushed him
into the road.

Speaker 9 (02:47:55):
Go back around to like pass two? Work tired or so?
It was just they went back. It was blaming me.

Speaker 7 (02:48:04):
You saw that while you were watching mister Valley go
to the car?

Speaker 9 (02:48:07):
No, But that's when I found it later. At that time,
I didn't know where they went. I just watched mister
Valley and just kept washing him, washing him.

Speaker 7 (02:48:15):
So is it fair to say, sir, that you don't
know where those people who had just shoved him out
into the road.

Speaker 2 (02:48:20):
Went.

Speaker 7 (02:48:20):
Yeah, you don't know who those people were. No, so
you don't know if mister McGrath was involved or not.

Speaker 9 (02:48:28):
I didn't see him over there.

Speaker 7 (02:48:30):
You just told us you weren't looking at what happened
with that group.

Speaker 9 (02:48:33):
But when they were pushing him out, I was looking
over there and I couldn't. I don't. I didn't see
who was pushing who. Like I just saw a group
of people push him by the way, I don't. I
don't know who who was in that group of people
that was pushing him out, Not to my knowledge, I
don't know. Showing people definitely kids that.

Speaker 7 (02:48:51):
You've grown up with and known most of your life,
if not all your life.

Speaker 9 (02:48:55):
Some of them, maybe not all of them, move in
my whole life.

Speaker 7 (02:48:57):
One of them, your cousin wil Arardi.

Speaker 9 (02:49:00):
Not one of them was Oh, I wouldn't say one
of them was him.

Speaker 7 (02:49:04):
Okay, one of them, your brother Tommy Connory. But you
are certain, and you're testifying here today that mister McGrath
was not involved in any way.

Speaker 9 (02:49:16):
I didn't see him over there.

Speaker 7 (02:49:20):
And you were telling us that you were watching mister
Valley as he went back to the vehicle, correct. Yes,
did you see the vehicle moving?

Speaker 11 (02:49:27):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:49:28):
And you saw him open the door, the interior light
go on, close the door. And then you said he
goes back into the to the yard, right, yes. And
you didn't see him with a knife, No, not that moment.
You said he went right after the closest person to him, right, yeah,

(02:49:49):
and that was mister McGrath. Who else was standing with
mister McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:49:54):
Closest person that would be towards mister McGrath.

Speaker 7 (02:49:56):
Was who else?

Speaker 8 (02:50:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:50:00):
Was it just the two of them? That's like I saw.
It's the only two you saw. Was there anybody that
you saw on the other side of mister Valley?

Speaker 5 (02:50:09):
Now?

Speaker 7 (02:50:10):
Did you see Jacob Villa Lobos? Why did you see
Matthew sam Perry, Sorry, Michael, Michael Samperry, No, you see
South Perry. Did you see Ryan Hines?

Speaker 9 (02:50:24):
No, I didn't see them. Did you see fais on
Til No, I didn't see him.

Speaker 7 (02:50:30):
Do you recall seeing mister Lakovich that evening when mister
Valley came back onto the lawn or is that based
on what you've seen in the video?

Speaker 11 (02:50:42):
Now?

Speaker 9 (02:50:43):
I remember seeing him.

Speaker 7 (02:50:44):
You remember seeing mister beside mister McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:50:48):
Yeah, him near him, like the closest one.

Speaker 7 (02:50:51):
To him, close enough to touch him and put his
hand on his back.

Speaker 9 (02:50:55):
Touch Jimmy, Yes, I'm not aware of.

Speaker 7 (02:51:01):
And what did you see mister Lakovich do?

Speaker 9 (02:51:05):
He walked, he walked away from uh rowling Jimmy, and
like went the other way, went the other way, and
he went towards like uh when all came back, he
just kind of like walked away and wasn't paying attention
to where Robo was. Jimmy, he was just there, he
was near when he was walking by. He was just there.

Speaker 7 (02:51:25):
Did you ever see your brother Tommy Connery fighting with
mister Valley? Yes, when your brother Tommy was fighting with
mister Valley, where were.

Speaker 9 (02:51:34):
You next to them?

Speaker 7 (02:51:36):
Like behind him, behind them? Who else was near you
at that time?

Speaker 9 (02:51:41):
He's an Hines.

Speaker 7 (02:51:43):
That's it. Yeah, where was ty Wood?

Speaker 9 (02:51:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:51:49):
Mister Connery. Isn't it true that you were with a
group of people that had shoved mister Valley into the street,
and that were then and walking back and forth between
a vehicle that we saw in front of the vehicle
that he went to.

Speaker 9 (02:52:08):
Yeah, and the people shove them into the street. I
wasn't I was there, but I was one of the
people that show them into the street. I was cure
my distance, following him walking around and saw him go
to the car.

Speaker 7 (02:52:22):
Can we see exhibit number sixty to start?

Speaker 11 (02:52:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:52:31):
Stop.

Speaker 7 (02:52:45):
Do you see the camera has now turned towards the street.

Speaker 9 (02:52:50):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:52:51):
Do you know who this individual is with the dark pants,
the light shoes and the white top.

Speaker 9 (02:52:56):
Yes, Alexa Borak, Alexa Borak.

Speaker 7 (02:53:00):
Alex de Borak, Thank you? And who is he to you?

Speaker 9 (02:53:05):
Oh, he's my brother's friend.

Speaker 7 (02:53:07):
That's your brother's friend, same grade, that's my brother. Yes,
so he's one of the older kids, that's heart.

Speaker 9 (02:53:15):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:53:16):
And would you.

Speaker 9 (02:53:19):
Correct do you remember him being there at that time? No?
And so you don't know what he was doing at
that No, I didn't know where he was.

Speaker 7 (02:53:31):
Okay, do you see yourself coming onto the screen a
frame three forty one? Yes, and you would agree you're
being followed by someone.

Speaker 9 (02:53:40):
Yes, someone's behind me. Joey Romano. Joe Joey Romano.

Speaker 7 (02:53:46):
Joey Romano. And who's Joey Romano to you?

Speaker 9 (02:53:49):
One of my brother's friends.

Speaker 7 (02:53:51):
Okay again one of the older kids. And where was
he coming from?

Speaker 9 (02:53:56):
The same place that I was coming from?

Speaker 7 (02:53:57):
Do you remember seeing him there that even.

Speaker 9 (02:54:00):
At the whole night, this time period. Oh no, so
you weren't with him? Oh yeah, I wasn't walking with him.
He was just behind me.

Speaker 7 (02:54:09):
Than can we pause it? And do you see a
third person who's just come on shirtless with a pair
of what appear to be VLU camouflage.

Speaker 9 (02:54:17):
Yes, And do you know that person? Yes, Matthew Lokovich.

Speaker 7 (02:54:19):
That's Matthew Lokovich. And where was he coming from?

Speaker 9 (02:54:22):
Looks like the same area that we were all coming from, same.

Speaker 7 (02:54:25):
Area that you were all coming from together. And do
you see in between mister Romano and mister Lokovich another
figure with a light.

Speaker 5 (02:54:40):
Top on back there?

Speaker 9 (02:54:42):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (02:54:43):
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 7 (02:54:44):
Yes, Jimmy, this figure here in the middleitary, that's Jimmy.

Speaker 9 (02:54:52):
They're enough to write the person in the middle I
can't identify as that's.

Speaker 7 (02:54:56):
Not clear enough you mentioned though, Jimmy, right, Yeah, on
the right and he's to the right of the frame here. Yes,
but you don't remember seeing Jimmy over there in that area.
But that's Jimmy there now, Yes, walking back behind you,
mister Romano and mister Lakovich. So it looks like, yeah,

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and you're all coming, you would agree from that area
where we just saw mister Valley get shoved out into
the street.

Speaker 9 (02:55:25):
Goolby all come from there. But I remember seeing Jimmy
with any engagement over there.

Speaker 8 (02:55:31):
Can we play.

Speaker 7 (02:55:36):
Can we go back just hair?

Speaker 5 (02:55:38):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (02:55:40):
Two seconds?

Speaker 9 (02:55:42):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:55:43):
And do you see in front of mister Lakovich another
individual with a pair of lighter shorts with maybe some
dark black biker shorts popping out and a white shirt.

Speaker 9 (02:55:54):
Yes, Jacob Lobos.

Speaker 7 (02:55:58):
And he's shoving mister de Silva into the street. And
he's now over in that same area where all of
you have just come from. Yeah, and you still see
a couple of other figures behind him, but you can't identify.

Speaker 9 (02:56:15):
Them, that identify them?

Speaker 7 (02:56:18):
And can we play against this?

Speaker 5 (02:56:22):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (02:56:23):
And can we go back two seconds?

Speaker 14 (02:56:25):
I apologize, it's a little.

Speaker 7 (02:56:29):
Bit more, a little bit more and right there, do
you see, sir, a figure just in front of what
you've identified as Jimmy McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:56:39):
Yes, like light shorts, light.

Speaker 7 (02:56:42):
Shoes, and a shirt with some sort of graphic on
the front.

Speaker 8 (02:56:45):
You know who that is.

Speaker 7 (02:56:48):
That's not your brother Tommy. No, you just have no
idea who that person is.

Speaker 12 (02:56:55):
It.

Speaker 7 (02:56:58):
Where were you looking at this time where I'm sorry,
where mister Valley was?

Speaker 9 (02:57:05):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:57:05):
And you say he's just stepped onto the grass? Yes,
And you claim all those people just dropped back that
had just been there, Yes, because I was screaming and
they just all immediately went back and run back.

Speaker 9 (02:57:22):
But they were cautious and started stepping back.

Speaker 7 (02:57:25):
Even the folks that were on the other side, Yeah,
all of them. Yeah, but your focus was on mister Valley.
But you could see what all these other people were.

Speaker 9 (02:57:33):
See.

Speaker 7 (02:57:34):
Where was mister Lakovich at that point, next towards Jimmy,
And where was mister Zuborak at that point?

Speaker 9 (02:57:44):
I'm not aware of.

Speaker 7 (02:57:45):
Where was mister Romano at that point? Where was mister
Villa lobost that point?

Speaker 9 (02:57:49):
I'm not aware of that.

Speaker 7 (02:57:51):
But you're certain that you saw these people back up. Yeah,
So didn't you see these people start to form the
same wall they had formed before or mean by a wall. Well,
you've described before that four people were forming a wall
and blocking your view at various points. Yes, these people
didn't just disappear, did they No, but.

Speaker 9 (02:58:13):
They walked backwards and I was still They walked back
and I was able to see where mister Valley was.

Speaker 7 (02:58:19):
So they all just stepped back and gave you a
prime view of mister Valley and mister McGrath. Yes, and
mister Lokovich. Where was he at that point?

Speaker 9 (02:58:29):
Stepping back is as one of them, but just closer
waste his right hand?

Speaker 5 (02:58:36):
Can we go back?

Speaker 7 (02:58:38):
I'm sorry because when we go a little bit more,
a little bit more, Okay, do you see what appears
to be a hand down on his Yes, mister Lokovich
is gone at this point.

Speaker 9 (02:58:56):
It would be over there, but I didn't, as I
just learned. I was looking at Roll and Jimmy was
in my site.

Speaker 7 (02:59:03):
Okay, you're looking at mister Valley at that point, Yes,
there's nobody blocking your view.

Speaker 9 (02:59:09):
No, I was able to see him.

Speaker 7 (02:59:13):
So you don't know whose hand that was I? And
where was mister Lakovich.

Speaker 5 (02:59:19):
Backing up?

Speaker 7 (02:59:20):
And where was mister Zorak also backing up? Not I
don't know where was mister Romano. I don't know where
he was. And where was mister Billa Lobos?

Speaker 9 (02:59:28):
I don't know where he was?

Speaker 7 (02:59:29):
And what about that person you couldn't identify before who
had on the light shorts and the dark top with
the white graphic across the front.

Speaker 9 (02:59:36):
I have no, I don't know what about.

Speaker 7 (02:59:37):
Faison, don't know where he is. Did you see mister
Valleys slip at all as he came onto the grass?

Speaker 5 (02:59:45):
No? I did not.

Speaker 7 (02:59:47):
You saw him just go straight up mister McGrath.

Speaker 9 (02:59:49):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:59:50):
Do you remember it being misty or rainy that evening?

Speaker 18 (02:59:53):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:59:53):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (02:59:56):
Hm.

Speaker 9 (02:59:57):
Did you see.

Speaker 7 (03:00:01):
Mister Lakovich take a swing at mister Valley?

Speaker 5 (03:00:04):
No I did not.

Speaker 7 (03:00:06):
But you don't know where mister Lakovich was or what
he was doing at that point.

Speaker 9 (03:00:09):
Yeah, so I was looking at mister Vali. I didn't
see anyone go after him at that point. No one
was going after And.

Speaker 7 (03:00:15):
Then you've told us that you saw mister Valley run
to the car, correct, Yeah, and nobody followed him, no one.
Did you see mister d Silva at that point?

Speaker 5 (03:00:27):
No? I did not.

Speaker 7 (03:00:29):
You see him here in the road, yes, And you
say you could see mister McGrath, Yes, but you don't
recall seeing mister d Silva there.

Speaker 9 (03:00:39):
In the road. No, I wasn't looking there.

Speaker 7 (03:00:42):
And you don't recall seeing mister d Silva at any
point thereafter.

Speaker 9 (03:00:45):
No, wasn't looking over there.

Speaker 5 (03:00:48):
You agree.

Speaker 7 (03:00:50):
And you told us that it was chaotic during the fight. Yes,
And you told us that there are things that you
told the cops that evening that were wrong about what
you had seen correct. Yes, And today you've come in
and you've tried to tell us to the best of
your ability what you recall.

Speaker 9 (03:01:11):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:01:13):
And you think you've seen this video how many times?
Around ten times? And your testimony is that mister McGrath
was just a bystander watching this go on. Yes, thank you,
mister Connery. Nothing further.

Speaker 5 (03:01:35):
Charlie. Counsel asked you a little bit about where you
were standing when you first came out out of the house.
You were back by the top of the Bilko doors,
and you were making your way towards the area where
the red tree is in the States fifty two. Yes,

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and that's where you saw the defendant and mister de
Silva arguing back and forth with Tyler rich Ty Wood,
Ryan Hines Faison.

Speaker 9 (03:02:06):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:02:07):
And did you just stand there the whole time or
were you actually kind of walking up like like this?

Speaker 9 (03:02:12):
I was walking up slowly.

Speaker 5 (03:02:14):
And when you were walking up, were you able to
see their faces, because when people stand side by side
you can see in between people's heads.

Speaker 9 (03:02:21):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (03:02:22):
And is that how you in fact saw the defense
and De Silva talking to Tyler rich and the rest
of your friends.

Speaker 9 (03:02:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:02:28):
And you testified on cross that you couldn't see their
hands because were their hands above their head? No?

Speaker 9 (03:02:34):
They weren't. No, I did not.

Speaker 5 (03:02:37):
And at some point you got did you get closer
to where they were talking?

Speaker 9 (03:02:42):
Not that close, but I was getting closer.

Speaker 5 (03:02:44):
Now, how how close would you say you got before
before you saw the punch? And the fight started a
little far from me to you the care, so about
say ten feet If I happened, the punch happens.

Speaker 10 (03:02:55):
Then what do you do?

Speaker 5 (03:02:56):
You get a little closer to see what's going on.

Speaker 9 (03:02:58):
I saw my brother go over there, and then I
followed him, okay, and then I just watched.

Speaker 5 (03:03:05):
You just watched, and then at some point the interaction
between Hines your brother stops, yes, and he gets up
the defendant gets up, Yes, and what does he do?

Speaker 9 (03:03:20):
He walks towards the roads, towards the road, and kids
come on and they push him to the road.

Speaker 5 (03:03:26):
So you go over there to see what's going on. Yes,
it's some point in time defending where does he go
after he's pushed out into the road. It's the car
and you walk away.

Speaker 9 (03:03:40):
Put my eye on him. I walked away towards.

Speaker 5 (03:03:42):
As you're walking away, you kind of turn the look
and your eye on him.

Speaker 9 (03:03:46):
Yes, your left shoulder. Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:03:47):
And at some point in time, what do you see
go back? And when he's coming back, you yell he
has a knife.

Speaker 9 (03:03:53):
He has a knife.

Speaker 5 (03:03:53):
At that point, where's where's Jimmy in relation to where
you are?

Speaker 9 (03:03:59):
Like in front of me?

Speaker 5 (03:04:00):
So he's like, I'm standing over here. The electurns there
is that is Jimmy?

Speaker 9 (03:04:05):
Like the electorn Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (03:04:11):
The council asked if you saw Mattlakovich in the area.
Do you remember seeing him in the.

Speaker 9 (03:04:16):
Area or I never see him near there? But as
I started screaming that he starts backing up. But he
was the closest person I saw that could identify to Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (03:04:24):
And he indicates that there's this wall of people. Are
people starting to surround the defendant when he comes back in?
What are people doing when the defendant comes back in
with the knife? So they're backing up. And at some
point when they're backing up, what does the defendant do
when they're backing.

Speaker 9 (03:04:39):
Up, goes after the closest person to him, which is Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (03:04:43):
Did you see anybody go after the defendant right before
Jimmy was stabbed?

Speaker 9 (03:04:49):
No?

Speaker 5 (03:04:52):
No, further question.

Speaker 7 (03:04:54):
He told us that after the initial between mister Hines,
your brother, mister Teele, mister Valley, those are the only
three that you can remember being there with mister Valley,
that at some point he goes to escape.

Speaker 9 (03:05:15):
Yes, he got people, let him go.

Speaker 5 (03:05:18):
People let him go, Let him go.

Speaker 9 (03:05:19):
He gets up and he walks away, and then help
people came over and then try to shout him, get
him back down the ground. They went over and just
pushed him out away into the road to get him
off the property and out of here.

Speaker 7 (03:05:31):
Well, you just told us he was already heading out
to the road. Yes, he was, and so people just
came over to gently take him by the elbow and
walk him out to the street.

Speaker 9 (03:05:40):
No, they they pushed him. But when they push them,
they weren't pushing him to for him to fall around.
They push him to get him out of there, like
for him to leave.

Speaker 7 (03:05:50):
Fair to say, sir, you don't know what was in
those people's minds when.

Speaker 8 (03:05:53):
They were pushing him.

Speaker 7 (03:05:54):
Yeah, No I don't, But you're describing it as being
something less than aggressive.

Speaker 9 (03:06:01):
Yes, guiding him out to the street, Yes, to get
him out out of the fight, to get him out.

Speaker 7 (03:06:11):
And you've been asked a number of questions about your
perception of what was going on in that video. Correct. Yes,
Do you remember seeing Tanner Chanowski film that video?

Speaker 5 (03:06:19):
No? I did not.

Speaker 7 (03:06:21):
You didn't see Tanner Chanowski at all.

Speaker 5 (03:06:22):
Objection, this is outside the scope.

Speaker 1 (03:06:26):
I'll sustain that.

Speaker 7 (03:06:30):
As you saw yourself walking back there on that video,
you don't recall anybody being right in front of you
with that camera?

Speaker 9 (03:06:37):
No, because I wasn't looking over there. Remember Tanner taking
a video?

Speaker 5 (03:06:43):
Nothing for it? Nothing further on.

Speaker 1 (03:06:48):
Witnesses.

Speaker 5 (03:06:49):
No, your honor state does not have any further witnesses.
State rests.

Speaker 7 (03:06:55):
Your runner made the during the excuse.

Speaker 3 (03:06:57):
For legal arguments, Certainly at this point in time, I
am going to excuse the jury dis briefly.

Speaker 1 (03:07:09):
Went back to the jury deliberations.

Speaker 22 (03:07:11):
One.

Speaker 1 (03:07:14):
The jury has been excused, say Smith, I'll hear from me.

Speaker 5 (03:07:17):
On the record.

Speaker 2 (03:07:18):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:07:18):
Sure. At this point, the defense would make a motion
for judgment of acquittal. Under the practice book forty two
Dash forty and forty two Dash forty one, it is
the state's burden to prove its case beyond a reasonable
doubt as to every element of the crimes charged. I'll
focus my arguments on the crime of murder that has
been charged against my client, but I would direct it

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to all of the charges. Generally, these are all specific
intent crimes that have been charged by the state, meaning
that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt
that my client had the specific intent to kill James McGrath.
And I would argue that the evidence that's been put

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forward so far as insufficient to show that specific intent
on the part of mister Valley. And I would also
argue that, to some extent, the state's charges here bolster
that argument because this fight takes place in a video
that we have seen that encompasses all of eighteen seconds,

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and during that time period, my client had the same
intent with regard to all of these people that were
attacking it, and if it's only assault as to some
of those as far as the intent that was used,
then I would argue that number one, that's the same
intent that he had as regards all of these people

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that were injured.

Speaker 8 (03:08:48):
That evening.

Speaker 7 (03:08:50):
The evidence as far as the specific intent is muddled
at best, but certainly does not rise to the level
of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We have heard from witnesses,
many of whom were inconsistent within their own testimony, but
certainly inconsistent in the aggregate as we look at what

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they claim to be able to see, most striking, I
believe is the inconsistency between what they can recall and
versus what they are unable to recall. And I understand
that that is an argument that goes perhaps towards the
weight of that evidence, but I think that it goes
so strongly towards the weight of that evidence that it

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simply cannot be deemed as rising to the level of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt that my client had the
specific intent necessary to prove murder charges or to prove
any of the assault charges that have also been levied
against him. And for those reasons, I would move this
court to grant a judgment of acquittal pursuant to the
practice book sections I've already cited.

Speaker 1 (03:09:54):
Thank you, turna Smith. It's the state with shar sure honest.

Speaker 5 (03:09:57):
They would have posed the emotional judgment of quittal at
this time. Believe that the jury and the evidence could
be could allow a reasonable jury to find that the
defendant brought a knife to a home that he had
no right to be at, that he started a fight,
and during that fight he had the specific intent to

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injure the first three individuals that he stabbed, stabbing Ryan
Hines three times in the chest side and a lower area,
stabbing Faison Teelee once in his upper elbow, and stabbing
Tommy Connery four times in his legs by going after
him with the intent to injure him. He then runs back,

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gets back to the car, and then comes back into
the into the fight, heard evidence that people were leaving
him alone, no one was going after him. He turns
around and specifically goes after Jimmy McGrath and stabs him
in the chest. I think that a reasonable jury can
infer what his intent was based on the manner in

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which these wounds are inflicted. They weren't slash marks. These
were purposeful stabbings. They can infer his intent based on
the number of injuries that were sustained by the four
individuals who were harmed here or dye stab wounds. They
can infer from his conduct by returning to the area
with a knife that his intent was to not only

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one cause serious physical injury to those individuals, but by
coming back and stabbing mister.

Speaker 7 (03:11:31):
McGrath where he stabbed mister McGrath.

Speaker 5 (03:11:33):
In the chest, that his intent was to kill mister McGrath.
So I would oppose the defense's motion at this time.
We believe that viewing the evidence and the lightmost favorable
to the state at this point that we've sustained the
right for the evidence to go to the jury and
for the jury to decide this case.

Speaker 3 (03:11:53):
Point in time, the court is going to take the
motion and the opposition to the motion under con sideration,
I think it's a good time to go into our
fifteen minute recess and I'll come back on the record
with the decision after we finish up the recess.

Speaker 1 (03:12:09):
So court is going to stand in recess. We'll be
back on the record at three fifteen. Thank you, all right.

Speaker 3 (03:12:24):
So, the court's prepared to render it's decision on the
record on the motion for judgment and acquittal. In this case,
the motion was sawt as to awful accounts with emphasis
on murder. So I'm going to start by saying that
in ruling on emotion for judgment of acquittal, the.

Speaker 1 (03:12:40):
Trial judge must determine whether a.

Speaker 3 (03:12:43):
Reasonable rational try or of fact could find the crime
proven beyond a reasonable doubt. A determination of whether the
evidence could reasonably support a finding of guilty beyond a
reasonable doubt does not require a court to ask itself
whether it believes that the evidence at trial established guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead, the relevant question is whether,

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after viewing the evidence in a light most favorable to
the prosecution, any rational try or of fact could find
the essential elements of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 1 (03:13:17):
I anticipated the defendant's.

Speaker 3 (03:13:19):
Motion as it is commonly made at the close of
the prosecution's case in chief. Wherefore I did review and
had the opportunity to look at the following pattern jury instructions,
the notes that I've taken. I've reviewed the statutes that
apply in this case, and after careful consideration of the
evidence presented at trial and the logical and reasonable imprints

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that can be drawn from the facts presented and that evidence,
I find that the jury reasonably could conclude that all
elements of the crimes charge in the information, which include
murder at count one, assault in the first degree at
count two, assault in the first degree at count three,
and assault on the second degree at count.

Speaker 1 (03:14:03):
Four, have been proved.

Speaker 3 (03:14:05):
Therefore, that's moving us now to the defendant's presentation of
the evidence. So this time, Attorney Smith, before bringing the
jury back in, I'd like to empire what is mister
Valley's decision with regards to testifying in this matter.

Speaker 7 (03:14:18):
Yes, thank your honor. I've spoken with mister Vali and
it is his intention to testify here, your honor, and
I would ask that he'd be canvas that decision.

Speaker 3 (03:14:26):
All right, So, in accordance with current case law, the
morel Vargas matter set forth in the Supreme Court, I
am going to go ahead and canvas mister Valley regarding
his decision, as it is a constitutional decision. Constitutional rights
apply here. So at this point in time, I'm going
to actually start with counsel Attorney.

Speaker 1 (03:14:46):
Smith, have you informed the defendant that he has the.

Speaker 3 (03:14:48):
Right to testify as well as the right not to testify,
and should he not testify, the fact finder may not
draw any adverse in princes from his choice to not testify.

Speaker 5 (03:14:57):
I have you?

Speaker 3 (03:14:58):
Did you also explain to the defense and is right
to testify as well as to not testify belongs to
him alone, and that no one else can make that
decision for him, including counsel.

Speaker 9 (03:15:07):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (03:15:08):
Did you also discuss the advantages and disadvantages of testifying
in this particular trial? Yes, mister Valley, I would ask
you to please stand. I am going to ask you
some questions.

Speaker 1 (03:15:18):
Thank you, mister Valley.

Speaker 3 (03:15:22):
The Court's going to make an inquiry regarding your decision
to testify in this case. The inquiry is not meant
to have any effect on your decision, but rather to
document your decision on the record.

Speaker 1 (03:15:31):
Do you understand that.

Speaker 3 (03:15:33):
So after consulting with Attorney Smith, is that your decision
to testify on your own behalf? Do you understand that
you have a constitutional right to either testify on your
own behalf or to not testify on your own behalf?
Do you also understand that you're not obligated to testify.
Do you further understand that if you were to choose
not to testify, the FactFinder would be instructed not to

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draw any adverse inferences from your choice to not tell.

Speaker 1 (03:16:01):
Do you also.

Speaker 3 (03:16:02):
Understand that your right to testify or to not testify
belongs to you alone, and no one, including your counsel,
can prevent you from testify or force you to testify.
Do you feel that you've had enough time and opportunity
to discuss your decision with counsel, including strategy concerning the
right to testify or to not testify in your case?

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And you also feel that you've had enough time to
consider the advantages and disadvantages of testifying. Have you understood
the information that council has provided to you relative to
your decision? Is it your personal decision to testify in
this case? Thereby waiving your right to not testify, You're
making this decision volunteerily, mister Valley. No one's forcing you

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or threatening you concerning the decision that you've made here today.
Have you understood all of my questions? Do you need
any more time with counsel before moving forward of cour
it's going to find that the defendant has chosen to
testify and have effectively waved his right to not testify.
Uh knowingly, intelligently and voluntarily. So mister Valley, you may

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be seated. Charnie Smith, are you in a position at
this time to go ahead and present the defense of
this matter? So at this time, then I would ask
the clerk to please bring our journey in. I'm not
sure if I seated it on the record. The clerk
sent me a note, but just in case I didn't,

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the motion for judgment of acquittals.

Speaker 1 (03:17:31):
Denied, and gentlemen to.

Speaker 8 (03:17:38):
Defense stipulate thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:17:40):
At this time I would ask the defense to please
present its Next.

Speaker 9 (03:17:45):
I would ask for.

Speaker 7 (03:17:46):
Mister Balley to be called to the stand and put
under by the clerks.

Speaker 3 (03:17:51):
Please come on up, stepping to witness when you wren
please standing.

Speaker 8 (03:18:00):
And thank your honor.

Speaker 18 (03:18:03):
Please sure's your answer you saw me swear or saw
me its? Sincerely affirm as the case may be that
the adventure shall give concern. This case shall be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Selp you
got her upon penalty of perjury. If so, please say,
I do thank you. Please state your full name, spelling
your last name, and address for the record.

Speaker 8 (03:18:19):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:18:21):
Thanks try Smith whenever you're ready.

Speaker 7 (03:18:24):
Thank you, Good afternoon, mister Valle. You're gonna need to
keep your voice up.

Speaker 9 (03:18:29):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:18:30):
We are competing with the fan in the back, and
I see the court reporter nodding. She's not able to
hear you. So you need to stay close to the microphone.
Speak loud enough to be heard over the fan. And
you've got to give a verbal response of some form yes, no,
or whatever the answer may be, but it has to
be loud enough to be heard. Okay, Yes, there we go.

(03:18:54):
You and I have met before?

Speaker 5 (03:18:55):
Yes, And.

Speaker 7 (03:18:59):
Can you tell us how old you are?

Speaker 4 (03:19:01):
Now?

Speaker 8 (03:19:02):
Old?

Speaker 7 (03:19:03):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to ask you one more time.
You get to keep your voice up. I'm having trouble
hearing you. I'm sure the jurors are having trouble hearing you.

Speaker 8 (03:19:10):
I'm twenty years old.

Speaker 7 (03:19:11):
You're twenty years old?

Speaker 9 (03:19:12):
Now?

Speaker 7 (03:19:13):
Did you recently turn twenty years old? And are you
in school now?

Speaker 8 (03:19:19):
I'm not?

Speaker 7 (03:19:20):
Are you working now?

Speaker 12 (03:19:21):
I'm no?

Speaker 7 (03:19:23):
Did you complete high school? Where did you complete high school?

Speaker 8 (03:19:26):
I finished online after on high school?

Speaker 7 (03:19:30):
And when did you finish online?

Speaker 8 (03:19:32):
Twenty twenty three?

Speaker 7 (03:19:34):
Where Did you go to school for high school before that?

Speaker 8 (03:19:37):
Saint Joseph High School in Troumble?

Speaker 7 (03:19:40):
And were you at Saint Joseph's High School from the
time you were a freshman? Where were you before that?

Speaker 8 (03:19:51):
Is that you Shore?

Speaker 7 (03:19:53):
Is that a public school that you've just described? And
the school that you went to for high school Saint
Joeoseph High School? Is that a private school prior to
going to Saint Joseph High School? Had you been in
the Milford public schools since you were a child? Did
you grow up in Milford?

Speaker 9 (03:20:12):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:20:13):
Did you grow up anywhere other than Milford?

Speaker 8 (03:20:16):
I lived in Florida for two years.

Speaker 7 (03:20:19):
Anywhere else in Connecticut? An when you say you were
in Florida for two years, was that before you came
to Connecticut?

Speaker 8 (03:20:28):
I was in Connecticut and then I moved to Florida.

Speaker 7 (03:20:32):
Okay? Did you go to any New Haven schools? Do
you remember how old you were when you moved to Milford?

Speaker 5 (03:20:42):
Very young?

Speaker 8 (03:20:42):
I can't remember the age.

Speaker 7 (03:20:45):
Did you start your schooling in Milford or somewhere else?
And who lived in your house with you as you
were growing up?

Speaker 8 (03:20:55):
My three brothers, my dad and my mother.

Speaker 7 (03:20:59):
And your three brothers, what are their names Raoul eric
an Oscar? Did you say the first one was Raoul?
You have a brother who's also named Raoul? And can
you just explain? Is that a brother from is that
a half brother? Is that a full brother?

Speaker 8 (03:21:19):
Full brother? The name was passed on for my grandfather, I.

Speaker 7 (03:21:23):
See, And do you go buy a nickname?

Speaker 11 (03:21:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:21:27):
And what is that nickname?

Speaker 8 (03:21:29):
And what does that mean like the younger I see?

Speaker 7 (03:21:34):
Is that like Pablito or Carlito?

Speaker 4 (03:21:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:21:42):
When you were at Saint Joseph's High School, did you
have a circle of friends? And who was in that
circle of.

Speaker 9 (03:21:51):
Friends close to me?

Speaker 8 (03:21:53):
I would say James Albert, Tyler de Silva, close brother too,
I was closest with somebody else was on the football
team and I was close with them too, but not
as close.

Speaker 7 (03:22:04):
That was Tyler d Silva and somebody named James Albert.
When was the last time you saw mister Albert.

Speaker 8 (03:22:11):
Yesterday?

Speaker 7 (03:22:12):
And when was the last time that you saw mister
d Silva in court? Did you have a girlfriend while
you were at Saint Joseph High School?

Speaker 8 (03:22:20):
And who was that cad Sa traffic Conte And.

Speaker 7 (03:22:23):
When did you and miss traffic Conte become involved?

Speaker 8 (03:22:26):
With one another my junior year.

Speaker 7 (03:22:29):
And what year was that.

Speaker 8 (03:22:31):
Twenty twenty two?

Speaker 7 (03:22:33):
Was that the twenty twenty one twenty two school year?
And did you date Miss Traffiicanty the entire school year?

Speaker 2 (03:22:42):
Say?

Speaker 8 (03:22:43):
Almost, not wholly though.

Speaker 7 (03:22:47):
And did you have any hobbies while.

Speaker 8 (03:22:49):
You were in school? Really? Just play sports, football, wrest
alone and when I was friends on the weekends and
whenever I had thought?

Speaker 7 (03:23:00):
Were you into fishing or hunting?

Speaker 9 (03:23:03):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:23:05):
Which of those? Fishing or huntings?

Speaker 8 (03:23:07):
Father?

Speaker 7 (03:23:08):
You're not a hunter. Where would you go fishing?

Speaker 8 (03:23:12):
My father? On a boat or we'll go in through
the ocean.

Speaker 7 (03:23:17):
Were you in the practice of carrying a pocket knife?

Speaker 2 (03:23:20):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (03:23:21):
Well, when we want fishings?

Speaker 9 (03:23:25):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (03:23:28):
Were you ever trained in how to use a knife?
In May of twenty twenty two, where were you living?
Same place you're living today? How long have you lived
at that home?

Speaker 8 (03:23:45):
Oh? Five years? Six years? I think, mister.

Speaker 3 (03:23:49):
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you to
just please raise your voice and responding.

Speaker 1 (03:23:54):
People are having difficulty hearing you.

Speaker 8 (03:23:56):
Thank you, Around five to six years, okay.

Speaker 7 (03:24:01):
Prior to that, you had still been living in Milford,
but just in a different home or somewhere else. And
you were in your junior year of high school in
May of twenty twenty two? Is that what you told us?
Had you started applying to any colleges yet? Which colleges?

Speaker 8 (03:24:19):
Family in Florida?

Speaker 7 (03:24:22):
And you told us you knew a girl named Mackenzie
traffic Canty because she was your girlfriend?

Speaker 4 (03:24:28):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:24:28):
And how did you meet missus traffic Canty?

Speaker 8 (03:24:31):
She was a cheerleader and I was on the football team,
so I saw her quite often.

Speaker 7 (03:24:36):
And did you take her to the prom that spring?
Was that your prom or her prom? Why were you
allowed to go?

Speaker 8 (03:24:45):
She was a senior, so it was her prom and
allowed to bring anybody they want? Pretty new?

Speaker 7 (03:24:51):
And when did that prom take place?

Speaker 8 (03:24:54):
May thirteenth, twenty twenty two?

Speaker 7 (03:24:56):
May thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Did you tend that with
any other couples or was it just you and miss
Traffick County?

Speaker 8 (03:25:03):
Yeah? I attended it with Tyler de Silva and whoever
he went with. I don't remember who we went with,
and a few other people in Migrate who wanted to
go to the common compagate.

Speaker 7 (03:25:14):
You mentioned knowing a boy named Jack Snyder, Yes, and
you mentioned going to the prom with him as part
of a group.

Speaker 9 (03:25:22):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:25:22):
And who was Jack Snyder to you?

Speaker 8 (03:25:26):
Brlding a football team and a classmate?

Speaker 7 (03:25:30):
Was he part of your close friend group?

Speaker 8 (03:25:33):
I'd say I was really close with two people, but
I was friendly with everybody.

Speaker 7 (03:25:39):
Had you known mister Snyder since coming to Saint Joseph's
High School? I'm gonna repeat the judge because I'm having
trouble hearing you. I'm having trouble hearing you. I'm sure
everybody else is. Okay, you got to really make an
effort for us to keep your voice up. Are you nervous?
I understand we need to be able to.

Speaker 8 (03:25:58):
Hear you though.

Speaker 9 (03:25:58):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:26:03):
And you told us that you knew a boy named
Tyler de Silva.

Speaker 8 (03:26:06):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:26:07):
Did you meet him when you came to Saint Joseph'
High School?

Speaker 5 (03:26:10):
No?

Speaker 9 (03:26:10):
I lived him before.

Speaker 7 (03:26:11):
And how long had you known mister d Silva since I.

Speaker 8 (03:26:15):
Started playing football? Milfred around the age of like eight,
I would say, Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:26:21):
And in May of twenty twenty two, how old were you?

Speaker 8 (03:26:25):
Sixteen years old?

Speaker 7 (03:26:27):
So at that point you'd known mister de Silva for
about eight years?

Speaker 8 (03:26:30):
You think?

Speaker 9 (03:26:30):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:26:33):
Would you describe mister Snyder as a close friend? Would
you describe mister d Silva as a close friend. What
makes him somebody that you would describe as a close friend?

Speaker 8 (03:26:48):
Sten? Through everything? You loved Silva? Three weekend we had,
we spent together, parties together, Yes, together all the time
pretty much.

Speaker 7 (03:27:02):
Are you still close with Mackenzie Trafficanty. When was the
last time you saw miss traffic Caanty court here?

Speaker 1 (03:27:11):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:27:13):
When was the last time that you saw Tyler.

Speaker 9 (03:27:15):
De Silva here in court as well?

Speaker 8 (03:27:19):
And when was the last time that you saw mister
Snyder here in court as well?

Speaker 7 (03:27:25):
When we say the last time? From May fourteenth of
twenty twenty two until here in court? Had you seen
them at all? When was the last time that you
were close with them.

Speaker 8 (03:27:43):
Before this all happened?

Speaker 7 (03:27:45):
Okay, so you say before this all happened. When we're
talking about this all happened, we're talking about May fourteenth,
twenty twenty two, are we not?

Speaker 9 (03:27:54):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:27:55):
Do you remember how that day began?

Speaker 5 (03:27:57):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (03:27:58):
How palm was the night before? A text and my
girlfriend and the range to hang out with her.

Speaker 7 (03:28:10):
That was Mackenzie Trafficanty. Was there anybody at else at
home at that time?

Speaker 12 (03:28:15):
Hi?

Speaker 8 (03:28:15):
Mother and my younger brother, And did you have any
plans with them for that day later at night, yeah,
but for the day now?

Speaker 7 (03:28:24):
And what were they doing that day?

Speaker 8 (03:28:26):
They were leaving to Florida and the same night to
go visit my oldest brother and my nephew.

Speaker 7 (03:28:33):
Were you planning at that point to go with Miss
Trafficanti for the day? Yes, And you mentioned that you
had texted her. Did you end up making plans with her?

Speaker 1 (03:28:44):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:28:44):
And what did you do with Miss traffic Canty?

Speaker 8 (03:28:47):
We went to the beach and a little bit of hiking.

Speaker 7 (03:28:51):
When you say you went to the beach, can you
tell us where? Do you recall what beach?

Speaker 9 (03:28:56):
That was?

Speaker 5 (03:28:57):
Off beach?

Speaker 8 (03:28:58):
I'm sorry, off beach beach?

Speaker 7 (03:29:02):
And you say you went hiking as well? Can you
tell us where you went hiking?

Speaker 8 (03:29:06):
I like a little tail through the woods and stuff
and a little pier.

Speaker 7 (03:29:11):
And what time did you meet up with in this
trafficanty that day?

Speaker 8 (03:29:16):
I want to say early afternoon, but I can't remember
the exact time.

Speaker 7 (03:29:20):
Did how did you come to be with this traffic Canty?
Did she drive to you? Did you drive to her?

Speaker 8 (03:29:28):
I went to pick her up.

Speaker 7 (03:29:29):
Did you have your own car? And after going to
the beach and hiking, what did you do next?

Speaker 8 (03:29:39):
By that time it was later in the afternoon.

Speaker 7 (03:29:41):
Then we went back to my house in Milford.

Speaker 11 (03:29:45):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:29:46):
And what did you do when you got back to.

Speaker 8 (03:29:48):
The house, Joe, Relax, nothing special.

Speaker 7 (03:29:53):
Was there anybody else home when you got home?

Speaker 8 (03:29:55):
My mother and my younger brother?

Speaker 7 (03:29:57):
And what were they doing?

Speaker 5 (03:29:57):
If anything?

Speaker 8 (03:29:59):
I can't recall.

Speaker 7 (03:30:00):
Well, did you have any plans for that evening.

Speaker 8 (03:30:06):
At that time?

Speaker 2 (03:30:07):
Now?

Speaker 7 (03:30:08):
You say at that time?

Speaker 9 (03:30:09):
Note?

Speaker 7 (03:30:09):
Did there later come a time when you did make
some plans for that evening? And how did that come
to be?

Speaker 8 (03:30:17):
I believe Tyler had texted me about a party that
was going on and he asked me, didn't come with him?

Speaker 7 (03:30:24):
That's Tyler de Silva, okay? And did you agree to
go with him?

Speaker 5 (03:30:29):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:30:30):
Did Ms Traffickanti go along as well?

Speaker 5 (03:30:33):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:30:34):
And how did you get did you end up going
to that party?

Speaker 11 (03:30:38):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:30:38):
And where was that party?

Speaker 8 (03:30:40):
Shelton, five lazy Brook Road?

Speaker 7 (03:30:42):
And did you know the people that lived at five
Lazy Brook Road at the time?

Speaker 8 (03:30:47):
Now?

Speaker 7 (03:30:50):
And how did you get to that party?

Speaker 8 (03:30:52):
Jack came and picked me and I got time up.

Speaker 7 (03:30:55):
And when you say Jack, that's Jack Snyder. But you
owned your own car?

Speaker 9 (03:31:02):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:31:03):
Why was Jack driving this group to this party.

Speaker 8 (03:31:08):
We all liked drinking, and he was mainly the one
who would drive us around him stuff.

Speaker 7 (03:31:13):
So it was understood that there would be some underage
drinking going on at this party. Did you bring your
own alcohol? Did anybody in your party bring alcohol?

Speaker 8 (03:31:27):
Tyler to Silva?

Speaker 7 (03:31:29):
Were you with him when he got that alcohol?

Speaker 8 (03:31:31):
He got it from his parents. We never stopped to
get it.

Speaker 7 (03:31:35):
I couldn't hear the end part.

Speaker 8 (03:31:37):
We never stopped to get it.

Speaker 7 (03:31:38):
You never stopped to get alcohol? And was that fairly
standard for his parents to supply the alcohol when you
were with him?

Speaker 9 (03:31:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:31:49):
Did mister Snyder come to pick you up at your home?

Speaker 9 (03:31:51):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:31:52):
Was mister de Silva already with him?

Speaker 9 (03:31:53):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:31:55):
Was there anybody else in the car?

Speaker 8 (03:31:57):
My girlfriend at the time, like come to traffic contract?

Speaker 7 (03:32:00):
Anybody else other than the four of you? And did
the four of you leave in Jack Snyder's car and
go to five Lazy Broke?

Speaker 9 (03:32:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:32:10):
How long did it take get there?

Speaker 8 (03:32:15):
Where from fifteen to twenty minutes? And what was it
like in the car on the way there, chill drinking,
listening to music loudly?

Speaker 5 (03:32:25):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:32:27):
Was that fairly standard as well? Always did you bring
any alcohol in the car. Did you drink alcohol in
the car?

Speaker 8 (03:32:35):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:32:36):
Did Tyler di Silver drink alcohol in the car yes?
Did Jack Snyder drink alcohol in the car yes? While driving?

Speaker 2 (03:32:42):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:32:46):
Did you bring any weapons in the car? Did you
see any weapons in the car? Did you know if
anybody else brought weapons in the car? You told us
It took about fifteen to twenty minutes to get to
five Lazy Brooke. What time did you arrive at five
Lazy Brook?

Speaker 8 (03:33:05):
Around eight or nine pm?

Speaker 7 (03:33:07):
Was it dark already?

Speaker 8 (03:33:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:33:09):
Was it dark when you left the house to get there?

Speaker 8 (03:33:13):
Ought to be?

Speaker 4 (03:33:17):
Then?

Speaker 7 (03:33:17):
What was going on at five Lazy Brook when you
got there?

Speaker 8 (03:33:21):
Upon getting there, we uh texted somebody who was already
there come show us the way in, and we walked
up and went inside.

Speaker 7 (03:33:30):
When you say we texted somebody, did you text somebody? No,
Tyler desilvera so, Tyler de Silva texted somebody? And did
someone come to allow you into the party?

Speaker 8 (03:33:41):
Where did they meet you in the driveway?

Speaker 7 (03:33:43):
Do you remember who it was?

Speaker 8 (03:33:45):
I believe Will Sinwald.

Speaker 7 (03:33:47):
Will Sinwald came to let you into the party. Yes,
And who's Will Sinwald?

Speaker 8 (03:33:53):
It was in my grade we played football together.

Speaker 7 (03:33:58):
Did you see anyone else that you knew with the party?

Speaker 8 (03:34:02):
Yeah, there was a ton of people from my grade,
and I pretty much know everybody.

Speaker 7 (03:34:06):
There was this a party that consisted of Saint Joseph's
High school students. Did you see any folks there that
were not Saint Joseph High School students?

Speaker 5 (03:34:20):
And what did you do?

Speaker 7 (03:34:20):
Once you were into the party?

Speaker 8 (03:34:24):
Read it? Everybody started talking conversating.

Speaker 7 (03:34:30):
Do you remember what you were wearing that evening?

Speaker 8 (03:34:33):
I was wearing old miss blue T shirt, black jeans.

Speaker 7 (03:34:37):
And slides slides? What do you mean by slides?

Speaker 8 (03:34:45):
Flip flops? But there were a former sandals pretty much.

Speaker 7 (03:34:50):
Let's see if I understand what a slide is.

Speaker 2 (03:34:53):
Is this a.

Speaker 7 (03:34:56):
Sandal that has a strap that goes across the top, Yes,
just a single strap. And at some point did you
put on a neck pillow?

Speaker 8 (03:35:12):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:35:13):
And why did you put on a neck pillow?

Speaker 8 (03:35:15):
The time? I thought it was funny?

Speaker 5 (03:35:17):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (03:35:19):
Were you doing anything in particular when you put on
that neck pillow?

Speaker 5 (03:35:22):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (03:35:22):
We were playing beer pong okay?

Speaker 7 (03:35:24):
And is that a contact sport?

Speaker 9 (03:35:27):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (03:35:29):
So the neck pillow didn't have anything to do with
the game of beer pong.

Speaker 8 (03:35:34):
No, it was just to be funny. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:35:37):
And at some point did you also put on a
motorcycle helmet? And did you bring that with you? Where
did you find that?

Speaker 8 (03:35:46):
Next to the beer pong table? There was a shelf
with your whole bunch of random items?

Speaker 9 (03:35:50):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (03:35:51):
And is that where you also found the neck pillow? Yes,
you put both of those things on.

Speaker 9 (03:35:56):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:35:57):
And how long did you have those things on while
you were playing this game?

Speaker 8 (03:36:03):
The motorcycle helmet, we were kind of passing it around.
It was like a good luck thing when we were
shooting in beer pong.

Speaker 7 (03:36:11):
Was aweso knowing Okay, so you would take it off,
you would pass it to whoever else was up to bat,
so to speak.

Speaker 8 (03:36:17):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:36:18):
And the nex pillow was that something that you also
passed around or were you the only one wearing that?

Speaker 8 (03:36:23):
I was the only one wearing that.

Speaker 7 (03:36:25):
How long were you there at the party just engaged
in this behavior.

Speaker 5 (03:36:30):
You've described.

Speaker 8 (03:36:34):
About an hour and a half.

Speaker 7 (03:36:36):
And after an hour and a half, did there come
a time when some people arrived that you were not
familiar with.

Speaker 9 (03:36:43):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:36:44):
And how did you become aware of these people?

Speaker 8 (03:36:48):
We were by the door outside of the their pong
table was by the door of the garage and.

Speaker 9 (03:36:56):
They came up.

Speaker 7 (03:36:57):
When you say they came up, what did you see.

Speaker 8 (03:37:00):
So kids arrived and came up to the door.

Speaker 7 (03:37:03):
And what did those two kids do?

Speaker 8 (03:37:06):
At first? They just said that they were invited by
Austin Leifer.

Speaker 5 (03:37:10):
Objection as to what they said set up you stricken total.

Speaker 1 (03:37:15):
Strike the response that was provided to that question. So,
ladies and Jolement jury, please delete up from your notes
if you took a note, and otherwise don't consider it
as evidence.

Speaker 7 (03:37:26):
Did you know either of those two folks?

Speaker 9 (03:37:28):
I did not.

Speaker 7 (03:37:30):
And did it appear to you that other people in
the party knew who those two people were? No, did
it appear to you that Jack Snyder knew who they were?
Where was Jack Snyder at this point the door? Where
was Tyler de Silva at this point the door? And
did you see Jack Snyder interact with these.

Speaker 8 (03:37:50):
Two people who showed up first?

Speaker 9 (03:37:53):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:37:54):
What did you see Jack Snyder do it first?

Speaker 8 (03:37:57):
Just conversate?

Speaker 7 (03:38:00):
Did you see Tyler d Silva interact with these people first?

Speaker 5 (03:38:04):
And what was he doing?

Speaker 8 (03:38:05):
We're still playing beer pong?

Speaker 7 (03:38:08):
So you and tylerd Silva were playing beer pong and
Jack Snyder was interacting with these folks. Yes, And did
there come a point when that interaction became aggressive between
the two of them?

Speaker 4 (03:38:24):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:38:25):
And did there come a point when mister Snyder took
a case of beer from one of the two?

Speaker 9 (03:38:33):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:38:37):
And what happened after that?

Speaker 8 (03:38:40):
Moved out into the driveway? I'm then to fight started.

Speaker 7 (03:38:44):
And when you say it, moved out into the driveway
and then a fight started. Describe for us what people
did once the group moved out into the driveway.

Speaker 8 (03:38:56):
I don't really remember who all was around, but I
remember Jack and another kid were close to each other.
And did they.

Speaker 7 (03:39:10):
Square off with one another? Where were you when they
squared off with one another?

Speaker 5 (03:39:15):
Off to the side?

Speaker 7 (03:39:17):
Did you put the helmet on in order to go outside?

Speaker 5 (03:39:19):
Objection leading sustained.

Speaker 1 (03:39:23):
Let's try a responseies and gentlemen, thank you.

Speaker 7 (03:39:26):
When you went outside, what were you wearing?

Speaker 8 (03:39:29):
Motorcycle helmet and my regular clothes?

Speaker 7 (03:39:33):
And when you got out to the driveway were you
engaged at all with mister Hines at that point? Was
mister Snyder engaged with mister Hines at that point? But
at some point you've described they started to square off? Yes,
And what positions. Did the other people that were there

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take at that point?

Speaker 8 (03:39:57):
They just started circling like trying to get a better
position on each other. I wasn't really paying attention to
anybody else, Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:40:06):
And did there come a time when you came into
contact with one of them?

Speaker 9 (03:40:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (03:40:10):
Who was that?

Speaker 8 (03:40:13):
Ryan Hines?

Speaker 7 (03:40:15):
And how did you come in contact with mister Hines?

Speaker 8 (03:40:18):
As he was circling since I didn't have shoes on,
he stepped on my foot and I pushed him.

Speaker 7 (03:40:23):
You pushed him? Did you punch him after you pushed him?
Did you continue to attack him?

Speaker 5 (03:40:31):
What did you do?

Speaker 8 (03:40:34):
Tackled Jack? And he was beating on him while he
was on the floor. I'm sorry, he was beating on
him while he was on the floor.

Speaker 7 (03:40:42):
Who was beating on him while he was on the floor?

Speaker 8 (03:40:45):
Ran was getting the better of Jack.

Speaker 7 (03:40:47):
Ryan was getting the better of Jack. What happened next?

Speaker 8 (03:40:51):
We we're not gonna break it up. He wasn't getting
off at first, so we started pulling him off.

Speaker 7 (03:40:58):
He started pulling him off. Did you take off your helmet?
Did you swing your helmet? Were you intending to fight
mister Hines? Did you use your helmet in any way
to attack mister Hines as you were pulling or as

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you were getting involved with this fight that's going on
between mister Hines and mister Snyder. What were the other
people doing?

Speaker 8 (03:41:30):
What was a couple of people watching? Tyler de Silva
was helping me break it up?

Speaker 7 (03:41:35):
And what did you do?

Speaker 8 (03:41:38):
Still was trying to pull him off.

Speaker 7 (03:41:40):
By doing what were you doing with your hands? Describe
for us what occurred.

Speaker 8 (03:41:44):
I was grabbing him by his waist, trying to pull
him off of Jack.

Speaker 7 (03:41:47):
You were grabbing mister Hines by the waist? Were you
punching him? Were you kicking him? Did anybody else come over.

Speaker 5 (03:41:58):
To join you?

Speaker 8 (03:42:00):
Other than Tyler to Silver?

Speaker 7 (03:42:01):
And now did you see anybody filming this at the time? Now,
have you since, as we sat in the courtroom, seen
a video of what appears to be the fight at
five Lazy Brook?

Speaker 9 (03:42:14):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:42:15):
And did you see other people come over to join
this breaking up of the fight?

Speaker 8 (03:42:20):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:42:20):
Did you know any of those other people?

Speaker 4 (03:42:23):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (03:42:23):
Who did you know Emily Robinson?

Speaker 7 (03:42:26):
How did you know Emily Robinson Senior?

Speaker 8 (03:42:29):
In school? A few times? I really didn't know her?

Speaker 7 (03:42:34):
And after the fight was broken up? What happened next?

Speaker 8 (03:42:44):
Miss Liifer? Came outside. Who's miss Lifer a mom of
Maddie Lafer?

Speaker 7 (03:42:49):
Was she the homeowner?

Speaker 9 (03:42:51):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:42:52):
Had you met miss Leffer before?

Speaker 5 (03:42:54):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:42:55):
And what did miss lfher do at that point?

Speaker 8 (03:42:58):
She came up, slatched the beer from Jack that he
was holding and gave it back to the kid and
said get out of here.

Speaker 7 (03:43:06):
And what else did she do with anything?

Speaker 8 (03:43:10):
At that time? She walked over to the garage and
was able to see, like how many people were actually
at her house?

Speaker 7 (03:43:17):
Did you go back to the party?

Speaker 5 (03:43:20):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 7 (03:43:21):
And how long did you remain.

Speaker 5 (03:43:22):
At the party?

Speaker 8 (03:43:24):
Fifteen to twenty minutes?

Speaker 7 (03:43:26):
And did you come to leave the party at some point?

Speaker 9 (03:43:28):
I did?

Speaker 7 (03:43:29):
And why did you leave the party?

Speaker 8 (03:43:33):
Miss Lifer had shut it down?

Speaker 7 (03:43:36):
How did you leave the party with Jack Snyder anybody else?

Speaker 8 (03:43:41):
Tyler DeSilva, my girl found up a time. Will Sinewald
needed a ride, so he came, same with Keenan and Dmitri.

Speaker 7 (03:43:53):
So there were at that point seven of you in
mister Snyder's car.

Speaker 8 (03:43:56):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:43:56):
Where were you seated in mister Snyder's car the driver
and mister Snyder was driving?

Speaker 2 (03:44:03):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:44:04):
And who was in the passenger seat? You were seated
behind mister Snyder.

Speaker 9 (03:44:10):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:44:10):
And where was miss Trafficanty seated on my life? Who
was beside you and miss Trafficanty?

Speaker 8 (03:44:16):
To my right was Will Singewald and to his right
it was Keenan.

Speaker 7 (03:44:20):
To his right was Keenan Frasi?

Speaker 9 (03:44:21):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:44:22):
He was against the passenger side rear door.

Speaker 9 (03:44:26):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:44:27):
And where was mister arfunds a trunk? Was there a
plan at that point for.

Speaker 9 (03:44:33):
What to do?

Speaker 8 (03:44:35):
We're still kind of early in the night, so we
were looking for another place to go if there was
another party and where we were going.

Speaker 5 (03:44:42):
To go next.

Speaker 7 (03:44:45):
At that point? Did you have any weapons on you?

Speaker 6 (03:44:47):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:44:47):
Were you planning to go fight anyone? Did you see
anybody else in your group with weapons? What was Jack
Snyder doing at this point.

Speaker 8 (03:44:58):
Just driving?

Speaker 7 (03:45:00):
Did you know where he was driving you to?

Speaker 5 (03:45:02):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:45:03):
What was Tyler de Silva doing at this.

Speaker 8 (03:45:04):
Point in the front talking to Jack?

Speaker 7 (03:45:07):
Could you hear what they were saying? And what was
the music like if it was on lad And what
were you doing at this point.

Speaker 8 (03:45:18):
Just talking to my girlfriend and Will conversating.

Speaker 7 (03:45:25):
And were you doing any texting at this point on
your phone?

Speaker 11 (03:45:29):
Now?

Speaker 7 (03:45:32):
Did you have your phone with you?

Speaker 5 (03:45:33):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:45:34):
Did other people have their cell phones with them?

Speaker 8 (03:45:36):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:45:37):
Could you see anybody on their cell phone at that point?

Speaker 8 (03:45:43):
I saw Jack Snyder on an office phone while driving?

Speaker 7 (03:45:48):
And where did the car go?

Speaker 8 (03:45:51):
We ended up at Trumbull High School?

Speaker 7 (03:45:53):
You say you ended up at Trumbull High School? Is
that some place that.

Speaker 8 (03:45:56):
You'd been before only for football games?

Speaker 7 (03:46:00):
As the car was driving, did you know that you
were heading towards Trumbull High School?

Speaker 9 (03:46:04):
Now?

Speaker 7 (03:46:07):
And what was going on when you arrived at Trumbull
High School?

Speaker 8 (03:46:10):
There was a couple of cars from the party before,
and we're also trying to figure out what to do?

Speaker 7 (03:46:18):
And did Jack Snyder stop the car there?

Speaker 5 (03:46:21):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:46:21):
Did you see anyone there that you knew?

Speaker 9 (03:46:23):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (03:46:24):
Who the car closest to us was a car a
little girls and there was three of them that were
in my grade.

Speaker 7 (03:46:32):
Do you remember who they were?

Speaker 8 (03:46:33):
I remember the driver?

Speaker 9 (03:46:35):
And who was that mean?

Speaker 7 (03:46:37):
I'm sorry? How did you know Maya Fagan?

Speaker 8 (03:46:41):
She was a friend of mine in the same grade.
She was also a cheerleader?

Speaker 7 (03:46:45):
Did she also was did she know miss Jaffacanti?

Speaker 9 (03:46:48):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:46:51):
And did mister Snyder parked the car?

Speaker 5 (03:46:54):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:46:54):
And what did the people in mister Snyder's car do.

Speaker 8 (03:46:59):
See? People got out?

Speaker 5 (03:47:02):
No?

Speaker 8 (03:47:02):
I don't think anybody stayed in the car.

Speaker 7 (03:47:04):
Did you get out of the car at yes? And
did missus traff caan't to get out of the car?

Speaker 9 (03:47:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:47:10):
And what did you do when you got.

Speaker 8 (03:47:12):
Out of the car talk to the car full of girls?

Speaker 5 (03:47:15):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (03:47:16):
And did you see what the other people were doing?

Speaker 8 (03:47:19):
I saw Jack and Tyler go over to another car
and I can't remember where. Let me drinking and they're going.

Speaker 7 (03:47:26):
You saw Jack and Tyler go over to another car?

Speaker 9 (03:47:28):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:47:29):
Do you know who was in that other car? Did
there come a time when folks got back into mister
Snyder's car?

Speaker 8 (03:47:36):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:47:37):
What led to people getting back into mister Snyder's car?

Speaker 8 (03:47:40):
Everybody was getting back in their cars. And I was
assuming we had some place to go.

Speaker 7 (03:47:45):
Now you say you were assuming that you had some
place to go? Was there a plan at that point
of where to go?

Speaker 8 (03:47:51):
One of the girls in the other car had told
me about objection.

Speaker 9 (03:47:54):
As to what they said.

Speaker 7 (03:47:57):
Without telling us what anybody said. And as you understood it,
was there a plan to go somewhere else at that
point when you got back into Jack Snyder's car.

Speaker 8 (03:48:07):
Another party in Tremble.

Speaker 7 (03:48:09):
Another party in Trumble, Yes, And did you at some
point become aware of a group chat that was going on.

Speaker 9 (03:48:19):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:48:21):
Do you Was this a group chat that you had created?

Speaker 5 (03:48:25):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:48:26):
Were you a part of this group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:48:27):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:48:28):
How did you become a part of this group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:48:30):
I got added to it?

Speaker 7 (03:48:32):
You got added to it? How did you know that
you had been added to it?

Speaker 8 (03:48:36):
As soon as you're added to a group chat and
people are tacting in it, you get a notification that
popped up?

Speaker 7 (03:48:42):
And did you get a notification?

Speaker 9 (03:48:44):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:48:44):
What when you got that notification? Did you look at
your phone?

Speaker 9 (03:48:49):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:48:50):
And what was the nature of the texts that were
going back and forth on this group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:48:55):
There was a lot of people in it and they
were just talking prap to each other back and forth.

Speaker 7 (03:49:00):
Did you know any of the people that were in
that group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:49:03):
Who a couple of my friends I noticed we're in there?
From my football team, some kids that weren't even around
you were at lomhouses in different states, stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (03:49:16):
Did you ask Jack Snyder or Tyler D. Silva to
add you to the group chat? Did you ask anyone
to add you to the group chat? And what was
the tone of the group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:49:31):
Not positive? Just people talking chip to each other pretty much.

Speaker 7 (03:49:38):
Did you participate in the group chat after you were added?

Speaker 9 (03:49:40):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:49:42):
What was the nature of your participation in the group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:49:45):
Around the same time we were leaving Trumbull High School?
I texted in it.

Speaker 7 (03:49:54):
Do you recall how many texts you sent? Do you
recall how many texts you received?

Speaker 8 (03:50:00):
Now this occurred while you were.

Speaker 7 (03:50:04):
Leaving Trumble High School on the same time.

Speaker 9 (03:50:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:50:08):
Did there come a point when you realized that you
were not going to another party in Trumble?

Speaker 9 (03:50:13):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:50:14):
How did you come to realize that you weren't going
to another party in Trumble?

Speaker 8 (03:50:17):
Aftery're driving for a little bit, Jack had turned down
the music and I asked him where we were going.

Speaker 7 (03:50:25):
And what did you learn from Jack?

Speaker 5 (03:50:27):
At that point he.

Speaker 8 (03:50:29):
Said election as to what he said.

Speaker 7 (03:50:32):
Jack, I asked what he learned?

Speaker 1 (03:50:39):
What Jack said, Okay, it's what you learned.

Speaker 7 (03:50:45):
So what did you learn from Jack about where you
were going or where he was driving the car?

Speaker 8 (03:50:50):
We were going to house in Shelton, And.

Speaker 7 (03:50:53):
Do you recall what the address of the house in
Shelton was?

Speaker 8 (03:50:56):
Forty three Laurel Glenn.

Speaker 7 (03:50:58):
Was that an ad dress that you had seen in
the group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:51:02):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:51:03):
Was that an address that you were familiar with before
having seen it in the group chat?

Speaker 11 (03:51:07):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:51:08):
Had you ever been to forty three La Glenn Drive before?

Speaker 10 (03:51:11):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:51:13):
Did you know whose home that was?

Speaker 5 (03:51:15):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:51:17):
Did you remain in the group chat?

Speaker 11 (03:51:20):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:51:22):
When you say no, did you leave the group chat?

Speaker 9 (03:51:25):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:51:27):
And how do you leave a group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:51:29):
Click on the top and then there's a little drop
down that you can quick leave.

Speaker 5 (03:51:36):
Is that what you did?

Speaker 8 (03:51:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:51:38):
Why did you leave the group chat?

Speaker 8 (03:51:40):
While they were going back and forth, there was a
picture sent into the group chat.

Speaker 7 (03:51:45):
What was that picture?

Speaker 8 (03:51:47):
It was just a group of kids and I'm looking
at the picture. I noticed that I recognized a few
of the kids were in the picture.

Speaker 7 (03:51:55):
How did you recognize those kids that were in the picture?

Speaker 8 (03:51:57):
A couple of the kids, I wouldn't say it was
friends with with I'd seen seeing him at other parties,
drink together, stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (03:52:04):
Did you recognize any of those kids from five Lazy Brooke?

Speaker 8 (03:52:11):
I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (03:52:14):
Did you understand that those were the same kids that
were texting the address of forty three Laurel Blind Drive?

Speaker 9 (03:52:23):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:52:25):
Were those kids that you saw in that selfie? Kids
from Saint Joe's No? Why did see in that picture
cause you to leave the group chat.

Speaker 8 (03:52:37):
I don't want problems with people out of my school.

Speaker 7 (03:52:39):
With Did mister Snyder continue to participate in the group chat.

Speaker 5 (03:52:48):
Objection? He says, he left, so how would he know?
If you know the foundation, we could know.

Speaker 1 (03:52:55):
I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:52:58):
At the time.

Speaker 8 (03:52:59):
I did not know.

Speaker 7 (03:53:01):
Did you know if mister d Silva continued to participate
in the group chat all the time?

Speaker 9 (03:53:05):
I did not know.

Speaker 7 (03:53:06):
What were you doing at this point in the car.

Speaker 8 (03:53:10):
Talking to Will? I think we were drinking. I can't
really remember where.

Speaker 7 (03:53:14):
Was missus Traffickanty at this point, still on my lap?
And did anyone in the car indicate that they knew
where mister Snyder was driving?

Speaker 17 (03:53:27):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:53:30):
Did mister Snyder appear upset to you a little bit?
When you say a little bit, what about his appearance
indicated to you that he was upset?

Speaker 8 (03:53:41):
At Trumbull High School, there was a few people like
teasing him for basically losing.

Speaker 7 (03:53:48):
Did mister d Silva appear upset to you in the car?

Speaker 5 (03:53:51):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:53:54):
Did miss traffick Aanty appear upset to you in the car?
Did mister Sinjwald, miss or our Fanas or mister Fraysich
appear upset to you while they were in the car.

Speaker 6 (03:54:05):
No.

Speaker 7 (03:54:07):
Did you notice another car following your car?

Speaker 5 (03:54:10):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:54:14):
And did mister Snyder ultimately drive the car somewhere and stop?

Speaker 9 (03:54:18):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:54:19):
Did you recognize where that was? What did you see
when you when the car stopped?

Speaker 8 (03:54:27):
I saw a yard? And then it's started coming up
to the car.

Speaker 7 (03:54:32):
When you say you saw a yard? Had you ever
been to that house before? Did mister Snyder indicate to
you that he knew the people that were at this
house where you'd stopped? Now, did mister d Silva indicate
to you that he knew the people at this house
where he'd stopped.

Speaker 5 (03:54:50):
I'm an object at this point.

Speaker 1 (03:54:51):
It's I will I love are based on the form
of the question.

Speaker 8 (03:55:00):
The question.

Speaker 7 (03:55:01):
Sure, did you have any indication that mister Snyder or
mister d Silva knew any of the folks that were
at this house?

Speaker 8 (03:55:09):
Definitely not Jack. I think maybe Tyler said something.

Speaker 7 (03:55:17):
Do you see behind you an exhibit that's up there
on the easel, Yes, just need a refreshment, of course.
So on the easel behind you in this valley in
the States, exhibit fifty two, do you see that?

Speaker 9 (03:55:31):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:55:32):
And do you recognize that as the address which mister
Snyder parked his car at.

Speaker 8 (03:55:39):
At the time, you couldn't really see much.

Speaker 7 (03:55:40):
So now, well, can you put us there? Describe for
us what what could you see when you arrived there.

Speaker 8 (03:55:49):
I wasn't really looking around. The only thing I saw
was kids coming up to the car.

Speaker 7 (03:55:53):
How many kids did you see coming up to the car?

Speaker 8 (03:55:56):
I want to say it was like rows of people.
There was about ten, and then at the max it
was probably thirty.

Speaker 7 (03:56:09):
And what did these people that you saw do?

Speaker 8 (03:56:14):
At first, I had my window rolled up. I didn't
know if I saw anybody I knew. Jack started conversating,
Tyler started conversating, and then I saw somebody I recognized.

Speaker 7 (03:56:25):
Who did you recognize? How did you recognize Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 8 (03:56:31):
I drank him with him before at party's. I was
hung out with him a couple of times at parties
that we were both invited to.

Speaker 7 (03:56:42):
And these people did they stay on the driver's side
of the vehicle?

Speaker 10 (03:56:49):
Now?

Speaker 8 (03:56:50):
Where did they go all around the car?

Speaker 7 (03:56:53):
Did they surround the car constriction leading? Did these people
go in the front of the car?

Speaker 9 (03:57:04):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:57:05):
Did these people go on the passenger side of the car?

Speaker 9 (03:57:07):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:57:08):
Did these people go in the rear of the car?

Speaker 8 (03:57:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:57:10):
Did you feel surrounded by these people?

Speaker 8 (03:57:12):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:57:13):
Once these people were on all sides of the car.
What did Jack Snyder do? If anything?

Speaker 8 (03:57:20):
I couldn't really hear this conversation. I was having my
own conversation, so at that time nothing.

Speaker 7 (03:57:27):
Where was Miss Trafficanti at that point still on my lap?
Did there come a time when she was no longer.

Speaker 8 (03:57:33):
On your lap? Only when we got out of the car.

Speaker 7 (03:57:37):
Do you recall her climbing into the trunk area of
the vehicle?

Speaker 5 (03:57:41):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:57:43):
Where was mister Sindwald stood?

Speaker 8 (03:57:45):
Am I right?

Speaker 7 (03:57:46):
Where was mister r Funds still in the trunk?

Speaker 2 (03:57:49):
And where.

Speaker 8 (03:57:52):
Was mister Fraysik still in the rear passenger?

Speaker 7 (03:58:00):
And the conversation that you've described mister Snyder is having
without telling us what he was saying, how would you
describe the tone of that conversation.

Speaker 5 (03:58:09):
He was having?

Speaker 8 (03:58:11):
At first it was fine and then it got really aggressive?

Speaker 7 (03:58:17):
What about it was really aggressive?

Speaker 8 (03:58:20):
There was a few kids shoutowing at him, A few kids?

Speaker 7 (03:58:23):
Yes, And what was you've described mister d Silva as
having a conversation. What was the nature of that conversation?

Speaker 8 (03:58:30):
Like this was also peaceful.

Speaker 7 (03:58:32):
And did it remain peaceful?

Speaker 14 (03:58:34):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:58:36):
And you said you were having a conversation, yes, was
that a peaceful conversation yes? Did that remain peaceful?

Speaker 8 (03:58:44):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:58:45):
Did you throw anything outside the window of your car?
Did you see mister Snyder throw anything outside of the car?
Did you see mister d Silva throw anything outside the car?
Did you see anyone inside your vehicle throw anything outside
the car?

Speaker 5 (03:59:00):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:59:01):
Are you certain that people were on all sides.

Speaker 8 (03:59:03):
Of the vehicle yes?

Speaker 7 (03:59:05):
And you've described at least one of these conversations as
taking a turn and becoming more aggressive. When you say
more aggressive, you described yelling.

Speaker 8 (03:59:17):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:59:18):
And could you see the faces of the people that
were outside the vehicle?

Speaker 12 (03:59:24):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:59:27):
Could you hear threats?

Speaker 8 (03:59:31):
Not that I can remember.

Speaker 7 (03:59:34):
Could you see people hitting the car?

Speaker 8 (03:59:36):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (03:59:37):
What did that feel like inside the car?

Speaker 8 (03:59:42):
It's weird to describe. It's I've never been in a
situation like that. They were just punching and kicking and
hitting the car from everywhere.

Speaker 7 (03:59:49):
On all sides of the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (03:59:51):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:59:54):
Could you tell if things were being thrown at.

Speaker 5 (03:59:56):
The car.

Speaker 8 (03:59:59):
At the time? I was I heard?

Speaker 7 (04:00:00):
Was the banging and stuff loud bangs?

Speaker 8 (04:00:03):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:00:04):
Did you hear glass shattering? Now, when you got in
the vehicle that evening with mister Snyder, did you see
a shatter in the windshield?

Speaker 5 (04:00:17):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:00:20):
Did you see mister Snyder with any weapons at that point?

Speaker 9 (04:00:25):
Now?

Speaker 7 (04:00:26):
Could you see what was in mister Snyder's lap?

Speaker 5 (04:00:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:00:32):
Did you have a weapon?

Speaker 11 (04:00:33):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:00:35):
Did you have anything in your hands?

Speaker 5 (04:00:37):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:00:38):
Could you feel the car begin to rock?

Speaker 5 (04:00:40):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:00:43):
And did you see anybody on the rear bumper?

Speaker 5 (04:00:47):
No?

Speaker 8 (04:00:48):
I didn't look backwards.

Speaker 7 (04:00:51):
Did you begin to worry?

Speaker 6 (04:00:53):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:00:54):
Did you begin to feel unsafe?

Speaker 5 (04:00:55):
I'm an object. This is leading.

Speaker 7 (04:00:59):
How are you feeling as the car was rocking and
the hands were hitting the car and other things were
hitting the car?

Speaker 8 (04:01:07):
Nervous and a bit of panic, you say, a bit
of a panic.

Speaker 7 (04:01:12):
Had you ever been that panicked before?

Speaker 1 (04:01:15):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:01:19):
Did you feel like you could get out.

Speaker 5 (04:01:21):
Of the car?

Speaker 9 (04:01:22):
Leading?

Speaker 1 (04:01:24):
I'll allow that, but just keep an eye on the
leading questions.

Speaker 7 (04:01:31):
Why didn't you feel like you could.

Speaker 8 (04:01:32):
Get out of the car because there was so many
people surrounding the car?

Speaker 7 (04:01:37):
Could you see the faces of the other people in
your car?

Speaker 8 (04:01:42):
The only face I remember looking at was Tyler.

Speaker 7 (04:01:46):
What did Tyler's face look like?

Speaker 9 (04:01:49):
Pretty?

Speaker 8 (04:01:49):
Scared.

Speaker 7 (04:01:51):
Do you remember what missus traffick Anty was doing at
that point?

Speaker 8 (04:01:57):
No, I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (04:02:01):
Did it seem to you that the situation in the
car was calming down?

Speaker 9 (04:02:09):
No, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (04:02:13):
It's the date objection, Council, But I would a sustain
the objection. I'll allowing answer to stand.

Speaker 7 (04:02:19):
Had you ever been in a car before while it
was being attacked?

Speaker 6 (04:02:22):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:02:23):
What sorts of things did you worry about as you
sat there with the car surrounded.

Speaker 8 (04:02:27):
And being rocked, only that they were going to break
the windows?

Speaker 7 (04:02:32):
Why did you worry that they were going to break
the windows?

Speaker 8 (04:02:35):
They were punching them.

Speaker 7 (04:02:36):
Did you worry that anything else might happen if they
broke the windows?

Speaker 8 (04:02:41):
At the time, I was just wondering why Jack wasn't driving.

Speaker 7 (04:02:46):
Could you tell if the car was still on at
that point?

Speaker 8 (04:02:51):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 7 (04:02:53):
How did you think it was going to end at
that point?

Speaker 9 (04:02:56):
Objection?

Speaker 5 (04:02:57):
That cultural speculation?

Speaker 7 (04:03:03):
What did you expect was going to happen next?

Speaker 8 (04:03:06):
Ok, they we're going to break the windows.

Speaker 7 (04:03:09):
Did you have a plan if they did that?

Speaker 2 (04:03:13):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:03:14):
Anything about the demeanor of the people on the outside
of the car lead you to believe that they were
going to stop.

Speaker 5 (04:03:20):
I'm going to object that calls for speculation as well.

Speaker 1 (04:03:23):
I'll over.

Speaker 7 (04:03:26):
No, and did you see anyone in your car with
the weapon at that time?

Speaker 5 (04:03:30):
Objection asked an answer.

Speaker 7 (04:03:34):
At some point, did Jack finally move the car?

Speaker 9 (04:03:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:03:37):
And where did it go.

Speaker 9 (04:03:40):
Straight?

Speaker 7 (04:03:41):
Did you know where you were? Had you ever been
in that neighborhood before? And did Jack ever stop the car?

Speaker 8 (04:03:52):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:03:54):
Could you see anyone outside the car when Jack stopped
the vehicle?

Speaker 9 (04:03:59):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:04:00):
Going to may I approach again, Johanna, take this one
down from behind. What you're looking at there is States
Exhibit one when Jack stopped the vehicle. Do you have
the pointer there with you? Can you use that pointer
to show us on State's Exhibit one where you remember

(04:04:22):
him stopping the vehicle? Jerhonor will the can the record
reflect that the witness has pointed to the area just
before the intersection of Farmhouse Lane and Laurel Glenn Drive,
in front of what has been identified before as thirty
six Laurel Glenn Drive.

Speaker 1 (04:04:40):
I noted on the record, thank you?

Speaker 7 (04:04:43):
And what did you do when Jack stopped the car?

Speaker 8 (04:04:47):
My girlfriend at the time was crying and asking to
get out.

Speaker 7 (04:04:52):
Question is what did you do? When Jack stopped the car,
I got out. Did it seem safe to get out
at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:05:00):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:05:01):
Did you see anyone from the house that you had
just left at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:05:05):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (04:05:06):
And where did you go when you got out?

Speaker 8 (04:05:09):
Side of the road?

Speaker 7 (04:05:10):
Can you show us on Exhibit one there which side
of the road? May the record reflect your owner that
the witness is pointing to the side of the road
opposite from what has previously been identified as thirty six
Laurel Glendrodde.

Speaker 2 (04:05:24):
On the record? Thank you?

Speaker 7 (04:05:27):
Did anyone else get out with you at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:05:29):
Yes? Who Tyler de Silva and my girlfriend at the time, Mackenzie.

Speaker 7 (04:05:34):
Did anybody else get out?

Speaker 5 (04:05:36):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:05:37):
And when mister d Silva got out, where did he go?

Speaker 8 (04:05:44):
At first? He was right next to me.

Speaker 7 (04:05:46):
And when missus Trafficanti got out, where did she go?

Speaker 8 (04:05:49):
She went to the end of the road.

Speaker 7 (04:05:51):
And so in your recollection, the other occupants of mister
Snyder's vehicle did not get out of the car. Where
did mister Snyder drive the car at that point.

Speaker 8 (04:06:05):
Straight?

Speaker 7 (04:06:07):
Could you did he Did you see where he went?

Speaker 5 (04:06:11):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:06:13):
Could you see any of the folks from forty three
Laurel Glenn drive the house that you had left. No,
at some point did you see any of those folks again?

Speaker 8 (04:06:26):
Yes? When was that when they came running down the road?

Speaker 7 (04:06:30):
And what were they doing when you saw them come
running down the road?

Speaker 8 (04:06:35):
I believe screaming and just running.

Speaker 7 (04:06:38):
Were they throwing anything?

Speaker 14 (04:06:40):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:06:41):
And do you recall what they were throwing?

Speaker 8 (04:06:45):
I believe only one person threw like a water bottle.

Speaker 7 (04:06:49):
Did it hit you?

Speaker 5 (04:06:50):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:06:51):
Did it hit anything?

Speaker 8 (04:06:53):
I believe it hit the car, but I wasn't really looking.

Speaker 7 (04:06:58):
Did you have any interactions with the kids from forty
three Laurel Glen Drive?

Speaker 8 (04:07:04):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:07:05):
Who do you recall interacting with from forty three Laurel Glen.

Speaker 8 (04:07:08):
Drive, Tyler Rich and Ricky Fiola?

Speaker 7 (04:07:14):
And when you were interacting with Tyler Rich, what was
that interaction like?

Speaker 8 (04:07:20):
At first, he just ran past me and chased the
car until it fully drove off, And after that they
all kind of started walking.

Speaker 5 (04:07:28):
Away to walk away.

Speaker 7 (04:07:32):
Okay. Did you have any one on one interactions with
mister Rich?

Speaker 8 (04:07:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:07:37):
What happened between you and mister Rich?

Speaker 8 (04:07:40):
As he was walking away, he came up to me
and sprayed WD forty in my eye?

Speaker 7 (04:07:47):
Did you do anything to him when he sprayed WD
forty in your eyes? Had you done anything to him
prior to him spraying you in the eyes of w
D forty? Did you see the can close enough to
be able to identify it as w D forty?

Speaker 9 (04:08:02):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:08:05):
What did you do after he sprayed you in the
eyes with the WD forty?

Speaker 8 (04:08:09):
I started holding my eye.

Speaker 7 (04:08:12):
Did you attack him?

Speaker 5 (04:08:13):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:08:16):
Did you have a weapon on you at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:08:20):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (04:08:21):
You did?

Speaker 8 (04:08:22):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:08:22):
What weapon did you have on you at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:08:24):
I had a knife in my pocket. Where did you
get the knife from before Jack left? He tossed it
to me?

Speaker 7 (04:08:31):
Okay, let's back it up a little bit before Jack left?

Speaker 9 (04:08:35):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:08:36):
When did Jack leave?

Speaker 8 (04:08:39):
When he dropped off me, McKenzie, and Tyler at the
end of the.

Speaker 7 (04:08:44):
Road before the Shelton High kids came.

Speaker 5 (04:08:48):
Yes, put us there.

Speaker 7 (04:08:50):
Tell me how mister Snyder gives you this knife.

Speaker 8 (04:08:56):
Apenzie exited the vehicle, I got out right behind her,
and then Tyler got out from the passenger and Tyler
were standing on the side of the road right for
Jack's about to drive off.

Speaker 7 (04:09:08):
This as objection as to what he says, you can't
tell us what anybody else says. You can tell us
what they did.

Speaker 8 (04:09:18):
He tossed the knife, and what did you do when
he tossed the knife at first to hit me and
then fell on the floor. I picked it up and
through what are you giving me a knife? Fork?

Speaker 7 (04:09:33):
And what did mister Snyder do at that point.

Speaker 8 (04:09:36):
The sad objection here.

Speaker 1 (04:09:40):
What mister Snyder said the foundation for that, because I'm
going to ask the jury to leave. Just any good wads,
all right.

Speaker 3 (04:09:50):
I asked the jury to exit because, as we've often
stated before, phrase.

Speaker 1 (04:09:57):
That we like to use because we can't it's difficult
to on the ball.

Speaker 3 (04:10:01):
So you're claiming this as not being offered for the
truth of the matter, I'll just I'll see an offer
proof on that outside the presence of the jury.

Speaker 7 (04:10:10):
Or he's just described what sounds like a surprising, unplanned
event and somebody has just thrown a knife at him,
he claims. I'm not sure what he's going to tell us,
mister Snyder said to him at that point, But given
the circumstances of the situation that he has described, I

(04:10:32):
think it's important in the case where we're talking about
what his intent was, in particular, what his intent was
with his knife. That we've already had other testimony about
mister Snyder giving to him, and mister Snyder's version of
what happened in that account, I think it's important to
know what the effect was on him when he said this, all.

Speaker 1 (04:10:49):
Right, I don't know what he said. I know that
the question was why did you give me?

Speaker 7 (04:10:53):
That?

Speaker 1 (04:10:53):
Was what he asked, yes, and his response was starting.

Speaker 5 (04:10:58):
With he said yes' right.

Speaker 1 (04:11:00):
So what would be the effect on the defendant.

Speaker 7 (04:11:03):
At that point in time as far as understanding what
he was thinking when mister Snyder gave him this and
what mister Snyder is telling him, as far as why
he is giving that to him, I think, in this
situation and under these circumstances, again, whether or not it's
true whatever mister Snyder said to him, what the effect
on him was, why.

Speaker 3 (04:11:23):
Don't you establish outside the presence of the jury right now,
what the effect was on the listener the defendant from
hearing whatever the statement is before I make a decision,
and then I'll be heard by the state.

Speaker 7 (04:11:35):
What you've told us that mister Snyder gave you.

Speaker 2 (04:11:40):
Excuse me, I'm.

Speaker 5 (04:11:41):
Sure your cell phones are on silent. Please, You've been
asked repeatedly.

Speaker 1 (04:11:45):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 7 (04:11:49):
You told us that you had just been thrown the
knife by mister Snyder, and you asked him, what did
you give me this for?

Speaker 9 (04:11:56):
Right?

Speaker 7 (04:11:57):
Yes, and you were about to tell us what mister
Snyder's response was correct?

Speaker 8 (04:12:02):
Yes, What was his response? He said something along the
lines of just in case, all right?

Speaker 7 (04:12:10):
And what effect did that have on you?

Speaker 8 (04:12:12):
When he said just in case confused?

Speaker 7 (04:12:17):
And did that increase your sense of danger with the situation?

Speaker 5 (04:12:23):
I'm going to object that to that.

Speaker 1 (04:12:24):
He just said he was confused, So the response was confused.
I mean, that's the effect on the listener that you're
looking for. I'll hear from the state on that.

Speaker 5 (04:12:39):
I don't think that it's even relevant at this point.
If he's confused, he should just say you could testify
to whatever he's satisfying to, and at that point I
felt confused. I don't think the statement of what mister
Snyder says comes in for effect on listener at this point.
To me, I'm concerned with it really bootstrapping here, because
really we want to hear with jet what he's as

(04:13:00):
Jack said, for its truth, and that's the concern.

Speaker 9 (04:13:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (04:13:03):
So, you know, Snyder testified. Defense counsel could have asked
him what was said, and I believe he may have
asked him what was said and mister Snyder actually said no,
the defense asked him for the knife. So now we're
getting into this bootstrapping of hearsay statements and trying to
guise it under you know, effect on listener. The response
is what the response is now if he felt confused,

(04:13:24):
So to me, it doesn't come in for the effect
on listener that can be elicited without the hearsay response
from her.

Speaker 3 (04:13:31):
I have to agree you can ask him how he
was feeling at that point in time to extract from
the witness that he feel confused. So it is having
a difficult time understanding the relevance of that particular hearsay statement.
Court is going to sustain the objection to the hearsay statement.

Speaker 1 (04:13:50):
I'm Jerry back, you could thank you murder, thank you.

Speaker 7 (04:14:04):
Defense stipulator.

Speaker 1 (04:14:07):
I believe that when the jury left, the question.

Speaker 11 (04:14:11):
That was.

Speaker 7 (04:14:15):
And how did you feel when he threw that knife?

Speaker 8 (04:14:19):
Team confused?

Speaker 5 (04:14:22):
And what did you do with the knife put.

Speaker 8 (04:14:24):
In my pocket?

Speaker 7 (04:14:24):
Do you remember which pocket?

Speaker 9 (04:14:26):
I right pocket?

Speaker 7 (04:14:28):
And did you have that knife on you when mister
rich sprayed you with the w D forty Yes, did
you at any point go into the bushes along the
road there you remained on the curb.

Speaker 9 (04:14:43):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (04:14:44):
Could you see where mister Snyder drove off to.

Speaker 8 (04:14:48):
I just saw the car take off like straight.

Speaker 7 (04:14:52):
Did it go out of your field division?

Speaker 8 (04:14:55):
Yeah? Right as he spat off, I heard the kids
screaming and running down the so I turned my attention
to that.

Speaker 7 (04:15:03):
And did there come a point in time when mister
Snyder returned?

Speaker 9 (04:15:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:15:10):
And what happened when mister Snyder returned.

Speaker 8 (04:15:13):
All the kids that I ran down had already left,
came back and everybody got out of the car.

Speaker 7 (04:15:20):
Other than the interaction with mister Rich, did you have
an interaction with any of the other Shelton kids while
you were down there on the side of the road.

Speaker 5 (04:15:31):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:15:32):
Who else was that? And what was that interaction?

Speaker 12 (04:15:36):
Like?

Speaker 8 (04:15:38):
He saw Tyler Rich spraymy with the w D forty
and he came up to me.

Speaker 7 (04:15:42):
Did he do anything to you?

Speaker 8 (04:15:48):
Just talk to me and like, I guess make me
feel better about the situation.

Speaker 7 (04:15:57):
When the vehicle came back, did mister Snyder parked the car?

Speaker 16 (04:16:02):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:16:02):
Can you show us on exhibit one behind you where
he parked the car? May the record reflect. He is indicated.
The witness is indicated on Exhibit one that mister Snyder
parked the car in front of what's previously been identified
as thirty six Laurel glend Drive.

Speaker 1 (04:16:19):
I wie, I had a note that for the record,
thank you.

Speaker 7 (04:16:23):
What did mister d Silva do at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:16:28):
I mean Jack started inspecting the car?

Speaker 7 (04:16:30):
And what did you do at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:16:32):
I was still rubbing my eye.

Speaker 7 (04:16:34):
What did the other occupants of the vehicle do at
that point?

Speaker 8 (04:16:38):
If anything? Kenzie was still sitting in the same spot
she was previously. I can't remember where he and and
and Dmitri were. I believe they were also standing over her.

Speaker 7 (04:16:54):
Were you upset at that point?

Speaker 8 (04:16:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:16:57):
What were you upset about?

Speaker 8 (04:16:59):
And I got red with w D forty for no reason?

Speaker 7 (04:17:02):
Were you angry?

Speaker 11 (04:17:04):
No?

Speaker 8 (04:17:04):
More confused on why he did it?

Speaker 7 (04:17:07):
Did you know Tyler Rich prior to that?

Speaker 9 (04:17:10):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:17:11):
How did you know Tyler Rich prior to that?

Speaker 8 (04:17:13):
Same as all the other kids I knew from sheltond
seen in my parties drink with them before.

Speaker 7 (04:17:19):
But you'd never been to that house before. No, did
you know that that was Tyler Rich's house?

Speaker 5 (04:17:26):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:17:27):
Were you still scared at that point. Yeah, were you
more scared or more confused?

Speaker 8 (04:17:37):
More confused?

Speaker 7 (04:17:38):
What did you do next?

Speaker 8 (04:17:41):
I walked over to where my girlfriend was sitting. Where
was she sitting the same spot at the end of
the road on the curb?

Speaker 7 (04:17:49):
And what was her demeanor?

Speaker 8 (04:17:52):
Like he was really upset?

Speaker 7 (04:17:55):
Did you at some point go over to inspect the car?

Speaker 10 (04:18:01):
Now?

Speaker 7 (04:18:02):
What did you do next?

Speaker 8 (04:18:04):
I asked Mackenzie for a ride home from her sister.

Speaker 7 (04:18:08):
And was her sister present?

Speaker 5 (04:18:13):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:18:15):
And what did you do after you asked her for
a ride home with her sister?

Speaker 8 (04:18:19):
Start her waiting there? Where were you waiting by my girlfriend?
And buy the car?

Speaker 7 (04:18:25):
Can you point out to us on the exhibit where
that was? Had she remained in the same position during
the course of these events at the end of the
road that you've been describing to us, Yes? And what
was she doing while she was waiting on the curb?

Speaker 8 (04:18:41):
Could you see she had her head down, like in
between our legs, looking at her phone?

Speaker 7 (04:18:46):
And what happened next?

Speaker 8 (04:18:49):
Tyler and Jack started talking about going back. Where were
you at that point ol enough to hear them?

Speaker 7 (04:18:58):
How far away?

Speaker 8 (04:19:01):
I want to say, five feet away from them?

Speaker 9 (04:19:06):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (04:19:08):
And what happened next, Tyler started saying injection calls for hearsay.

Speaker 3 (04:19:19):
The answer seems as though it's abiding hearsay. So I
would questions what happened. That's the objection to the extent
that witness is going to respond with what someone stated.

Speaker 7 (04:19:32):
You under me, I remind the witness that he can't
tell us. So again, listen to the nature of my question.
You can't tell us what somebody else has said. Okay,
So you were telling us what was happening at that point, Okay,
can you tell us what you saw mister Snyder.

Speaker 8 (04:19:50):
Do talk to Tyler to Silva?

Speaker 7 (04:19:56):
And what was mister Snyder's demeanor like when he was
talking to mister d.

Speaker 8 (04:20:01):
Silva agreeing with him?

Speaker 7 (04:20:05):
Did he appear excited or upset or calm? I didn't
really tell And mister d Silva, what did his demeanor
appear like to you?

Speaker 9 (04:20:18):
Concident?

Speaker 7 (04:20:19):
I'm sorry he appeared confident. Mister Valley, I don't mean
to be rude, but do you understand the word demeanor?

Speaker 8 (04:20:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:20:30):
How did his face appear?

Speaker 8 (04:20:36):
He didn't really seem too worried?

Speaker 7 (04:20:40):
Did mister Snyder appear not too worried as well?

Speaker 9 (04:20:45):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (04:20:47):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (04:20:48):
And at some point. Did they get back into the vehicle?
Who got into the vehicle first? And did he get
into the driver's side? And did miss to Silvia get
back into the vehicle?

Speaker 8 (04:21:01):
Yes? Where did he get into the vehicle passenger?

Speaker 7 (04:21:05):
And did you ultimately get back into the vehicle?

Speaker 9 (04:21:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:21:09):
Why did you get back.

Speaker 5 (04:21:10):
Into that vehicle?

Speaker 8 (04:21:12):
I was asked to by Tyler.

Speaker 5 (04:21:14):
Objection, how would be stricken?

Speaker 24 (04:21:16):
All right?

Speaker 3 (04:21:21):
If you wrote that down, please remove it from your court.
Is striking the last response concerning he was asked.

Speaker 1 (04:21:28):
By someone else. Okay, so that does not qualify or
classify as evidence in this case. All right, thank you.

Speaker 7 (04:21:37):
When you got back into that vehicle, what were you thinking?

Speaker 8 (04:21:44):
I trusted my best friend and everything was going to
be okay, and we were just going to go and
make peace.

Speaker 7 (04:21:50):
Did you understand that there was some plan to go
and make peace in this situation?

Speaker 5 (04:21:56):
An object that's leading sustained.

Speaker 7 (04:22:00):
You've just said that you trusted your friend to make peace.

Speaker 8 (04:22:07):
Yes, objection.

Speaker 5 (04:22:08):
He did not say that, so I would ask that
would be stricken?

Speaker 3 (04:22:11):
This is leading, all right, so I will strike the
response which was yes, sustaining the objection.

Speaker 7 (04:22:23):
You got back into that vehicle last?

Speaker 5 (04:22:27):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:22:28):
Where did you get back into that.

Speaker 8 (04:22:29):
Vehicle behind the driver behind the driver?

Speaker 9 (04:22:34):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:22:35):
And did you still have the knife on you?

Speaker 9 (04:22:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:22:38):
Was it open?

Speaker 2 (04:22:40):
Where?

Speaker 8 (04:22:41):
Was it still in my pocket?

Speaker 7 (04:22:43):
Still in your right pocket?

Speaker 8 (04:22:44):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:22:45):
Did you have your hand in the pocket? Were you
scared to get back in that car.

Speaker 8 (04:22:52):
A little bit?

Speaker 5 (04:22:53):
Where?

Speaker 7 (04:22:53):
Did you think the car was.

Speaker 8 (04:22:54):
Going to go back down to the house?

Speaker 7 (04:22:59):
Did you think that was good idea.

Speaker 8 (04:23:04):
At the time? A few interactions had already been peaceful
here and there, so it didn't seem like the worst
idea in the world.

Speaker 7 (04:23:13):
At the time, you understood that missus traffick aanty was
not going to be getting back in that car.

Speaker 9 (04:23:25):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (04:23:25):
Did you think it was a good idea to leave
her there?

Speaker 5 (04:23:28):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (04:23:29):
Why there was other people with her and her sister
was on the way.

Speaker 7 (04:23:39):
Were you upset or angry as you got into that car.

Speaker 5 (04:23:43):
I'm gonna say I'm object assassin.

Speaker 1 (04:23:44):
Answer at the time that he got into the car.

Speaker 3 (04:23:47):
I don't believe that we've done to that location yet,
So all overall, the question when you.

Speaker 7 (04:23:53):
Got back into that car, were you upset or angry?

Speaker 5 (04:23:57):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:23:58):
Not about your eyes being sprayed with w And did
Jack Snyder drive the car back to forty three log
Glen Drive. What was that drive there like.

Speaker 12 (04:24:11):
That?

Speaker 8 (04:24:11):
Wouldy said anything?

Speaker 7 (04:24:13):
Was the music on?

Speaker 9 (04:24:15):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:24:16):
Was it a fast drive?

Speaker 8 (04:24:18):
I can't remember?

Speaker 9 (04:24:22):
And did he?

Speaker 7 (04:24:23):
Did Jack Snyder ultimately stop his car at the same
house as before?

Speaker 8 (04:24:26):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:24:27):
Did you see any people in the yard?

Speaker 9 (04:24:29):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:24:30):
How many?

Speaker 8 (04:24:32):
At first? They were far back in the yard, so
I want to say ten.

Speaker 7 (04:24:37):
You say at first they were far back in the yard.
Were there any on the curb or near the street
and you could see ten people in the yard?

Speaker 8 (04:24:50):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (04:24:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:24:52):
Did you recognize any of those people?

Speaker 5 (04:24:54):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:24:58):
Did they remain where they were?

Speaker 9 (04:25:00):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (04:25:04):
What did Tyler de Silva do when the car stopped?

Speaker 8 (04:25:07):
He opened his door and got out.

Speaker 7 (04:25:09):
What did Jack Snyder do when the car stopped?

Speaker 8 (04:25:12):
Nothing?

Speaker 7 (04:25:14):
Where did Tyler de Silva go when he got out
of the car.

Speaker 8 (04:25:18):
As soon as he got out, he started walking onto
the lawn.

Speaker 7 (04:25:21):
Walking, yes, not running? Okay, did you stay in the car?

Speaker 9 (04:25:28):
Now?

Speaker 8 (04:25:29):
What did you do as soon as Tyler got out?
I got out?

Speaker 5 (04:25:32):
Why?

Speaker 8 (04:25:34):
It's my friend. I knew a couple of people there.
I was just going to help ease the situation. I
guess where was the knife in my pocket?

Speaker 7 (04:25:43):
Did you have your hand on it. Where did Tyler
de Silva go as you were following him.

Speaker 5 (04:25:48):
Out of the car.

Speaker 8 (04:25:50):
We started walking up the yard?

Speaker 7 (04:25:55):
Yeah, I approach on I'm on the easel of states
to ask you to use that pointer that you have
and show us where you saw the initial ten kids.

Speaker 8 (04:26:07):
In the yard. It's kind of out of the frame.

Speaker 7 (04:26:11):
Out of the frame, but you could see them from
where the car parked. Where did Jack Snyder park the
car was? When you got out of the vehicle, was
there anything blocking your path.

Speaker 5 (04:26:21):
To the yard?

Speaker 16 (04:26:25):
I got out from.

Speaker 7 (04:26:28):
Beside, So now you got out from the driver's side
and walked around the car. So when you got out
of the car, did you lose sight of mister d Silva.

Speaker 8 (04:26:38):
For a second or two?

Speaker 7 (04:26:40):
So you came following behind him?

Speaker 8 (04:26:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:26:44):
And where did mister d Silva go when he got.

Speaker 8 (04:26:46):
Out of the car we started walking into the yard?

Speaker 7 (04:26:49):
Can you show us his path travel.

Speaker 5 (04:26:52):
Got out? There was a car.

Speaker 7 (04:26:57):
And he went onto the grass. And where did he
go once he got on the grass if anywhere.

Speaker 8 (04:27:03):
I met him?

Speaker 7 (04:27:09):
Did you get up to where the red bushes? Did
you get up to where the black truck is? Did
you get any further than where the tree is in
the middle of Exhibit fifty two.

Speaker 8 (04:27:22):
Yes, where did you get up to?

Speaker 7 (04:27:28):
And so you got just past where the tree is?

Speaker 8 (04:27:31):
And then what happened after we were approached by the
first person, which was our girl out of the way,
and then we were approached by Tyler Rich? And who
a bunch of other people?

Speaker 7 (04:27:43):
And how many people were you approached by that included
Tyler Rich?

Speaker 8 (04:27:47):
At first they were all in front of us, I'd
say it was about thirty people spread out in a
line almost.

Speaker 7 (04:27:56):
And when you met and mister da Silva on the
grass as you came around the car, did he indicate
to you in any way that he was surprised that
you had followed him?

Speaker 11 (04:28:10):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:28:11):
Did he indicate in any way to you that he
did not want you to follow him?

Speaker 11 (04:28:15):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:28:16):
You told us that you recognized Tyler Rich as one
of the people that had approached you. Yes, did you
recognize anyone else?

Speaker 8 (04:28:23):
Now?

Speaker 7 (04:28:24):
Did the people you've described them as being in sort
of a line? Did they stay in one area?

Speaker 11 (04:28:31):
No?

Speaker 7 (04:28:31):
What did they do?

Speaker 8 (04:28:36):
Shortly after we were both in our own conversations, I
started to surround us.

Speaker 7 (04:28:44):
And you say you were both in your own conversations
do you mean mister d Silva and yourself? How close
were you standing to mister d Silva when you were confronted.

Speaker 8 (04:28:54):
By these other folks? At first, we were right next
to each other.

Speaker 7 (04:28:57):
You say, at first, did there come a time when
you got operated and so? Who or how many people
was mister da Silva engaged with?

Speaker 8 (04:29:11):
At first we were all talking to the same amount
of people, and then after a little while, when I
looked to my left, there was a wall of people
blocking me from tyler.

Speaker 7 (04:29:22):
Okay, let's break it down a little bit. You've said,
at first you could see mister d Silva was talking
to the same amount of people as you were. How
many people was mister d Silva talking to directly?

Speaker 8 (04:29:37):
And there was a lot of kids around there?

Speaker 7 (04:29:41):
And was he talking to any one person in particular?

Speaker 2 (04:29:45):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (04:29:45):
Who was that?

Speaker 5 (04:29:46):
If you know Rich?

Speaker 7 (04:29:48):
Were there other people with mister Riches? How close were
they standing to mister Rich side by side? You've described
them as forming a wall?

Speaker 8 (04:29:58):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 7 (04:30:01):
How many people were you engaged with at that.

Speaker 8 (04:30:04):
Point before or after they surrounded me?

Speaker 7 (04:30:08):
Let's take it frame by frame. You've described mister d
Silva talking with a group of people, and you said
you were talking with a number of people as well
at that point. How many people were you engaged with?

Speaker 8 (04:30:22):
I was directly talking about four to five people.

Speaker 7 (04:30:26):
And how many people were there? People behind them, right
next to them? Were they shoulder to shoulder? And where
were these people positioned if you can show us on
the exhibit there? And did they stay just in front
of you? What did they do?

Speaker 8 (04:30:48):
They started to surround me?

Speaker 7 (04:30:51):
Did you have how were you wearing your shirt at
this point? Did you ever hear any point pull it
up over your head? Where was the knife at this
point in my pocket? Did you have your hands in
your pockets? How are you feeling at this point.

Speaker 5 (04:31:08):
Nervous?

Speaker 7 (04:31:09):
Why were you feeling nervous because.

Speaker 8 (04:31:11):
There was a lot of people just surrounding me.

Speaker 3 (04:31:15):
Yes, I just wanted to just give you a heads
up that it's four forty five. You have a few
additional questions, or is this a good time to break?

Speaker 7 (04:31:24):
If your owner is inclined to take a break, I
suppose this is as good a place as I need.

Speaker 1 (04:31:28):
To take one time, or it's going to go ahead
and move towards the journey for the day. So I'm
going to interrupt. If you have testimony before I do
actually a.

Speaker 3 (04:31:42):
Journal rep and once again I remind ladies and gentlemen,
the jury continue to avide.

Speaker 1 (04:31:47):
By the cold and conte again, so you should have
to discuss this piece with anyone. Once again, there's been
a lot of media attention. Please try to have really
bad attention can avoid others trying to speak to you
about this particular case. There have been multiple locations that
have been mentioned.

Speaker 3 (04:32:06):
Do not go to any of those locations. Do not
attempt to perform any of your own experiments or research
or investigations to any of the issues that have arisen.

Speaker 1 (04:32:16):
During this till to do. Thank you so much friendingly
your notebooks behind. Have a good evening and we'll see about.

Speaker 5 (04:32:24):
Skis.

Speaker 2 (04:32:25):
Trent