December 7, 2023 • 46 mins
Who was the MVP of the fantasy football season? CMC? Tyreek?
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Also, the guys talk JSN, Olave and Gibbs.
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Also, the guys talk JSN, Olave and Gibbs.
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Welcome to the Full Time Fantasy Podcast. Please m it by the Fantasy Football
World Championship, home to the industry'smost accurate rankings. What is up,
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everybody? Welcome to the Full TimeFantasy Football Podcast. I am your host
Adam Kroutwurst, and with me asalways is Jack Kolsen, my partner in
crime over here at the f fwc H Draft in making all this money
hopefully. What is going on tonight? Jack? Hey, you know these
uh, these Wednesday nights are gettinga whole lot easier now with you know,
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waivers and all of that. Whenyou spend all your money and you've
got zero dollars in week fourteen,it's actually pretty nice. We're at to
to a Mexican restaurant with the wife. Took it easy. Tonight. Wasn't
griming waivers. It was what atreat daudi. If I was talking to
another high stakes, high volume guyyesterday on the phone and he was like,
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hey, you got time for acall im? Yeah, sure,
whatever, and I give the time. He was like, yeah, that'll
be fine because you know, there'sno more way there's you know, ninety
percent of my waivers are non existentnow, so yeah, we can we
can make that phone call work ona Tuesday or Wednesday night. It's funny.
We gotta we gotta work our livesaround that too, but also other
stuff so people don't understand if youdon't, you know, oh it's a
podcast. It's easy. Yes,it's it's fun talking ball and all that
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stuff. But the work that goesinto it. And then you know,
I have a wife, I havekids. I have a half eaten piece
of pizza next to me running inbetween soccer practice, basketball practice, are
running in the doors, your homeworkdone, I'm getting out like it's it's
bananas waivers. You're you're getting intothat world too now, So it's uh,
it's it's can be wild at times. So shout out to all the
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content creators out there who are whoare doing this. Uh uh as much
or more than we are. Sothat's right. Sure, speaking of shout
outs, we're gonna get our weekly. We'll get our weekly js N shout
out out of the way early.Uh Jackson BIGBA had a game last week,
could have been better. Uh,could have could have been worse.
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But talk to us this week?What what what? What do we got
it? What do we hear fromyou from the jays N flank member here
it because the j s N cornersegment now recurring bit, but I feel
like I'm actually, rather than begrudginglyor contractually obligated to talk about it.
There's some excitment at least for methis week. You know, we talked
about last week about Pete Carroll sayinghe wants to get Jess and the ball
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more. In a week thirteen,they actually did it. He led Seattle
in targets with eleven, which wasalso ninth among all wide receivers in that
week twenty six point eight percent targetshare, which is fantastic but probably most
exciting as far as targets are concerned. Thirty one percent of Seattle's first read
in design plays, so almost athird of the offense was game planned and
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dedicated to go to him, whichtells me that this isn't a fluke,
this is sticky. This is thegame plan moving forward. And it's even
more impressive that he did all thisand he actually took saw about four percent
fewer routes than he would typically do, so he's getting the most out of
what he has. You'd love tosee the explosion of routes right away.
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But he's been targeted in week thirteenon thirty nine percent of his routes run.
That's two percent more than Puka Nikouaand two percent behind Ceedee, Lamb,
Tyreek and Nico. So he's rightin that area of targets per route
run where you're seeing they're really startingto use him when he's on the field,
and when he got that opportunity,actually did something with it. In
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my opinion, he started to eclipseTyler Lockett. You know, he turned
those targets into leading the team forreceptions. He was second in yards behind
DK Metcalf and the explosion he hadthe is yards per route run two point
twenty one compared to only one pointthree four for Lockett. And I think
probably most interestingly between the two ofthem, Jasn and Lockett, if you
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look at yards after contact per reception, two point eight seven for JSN versus
zero point six for Lockett. Soessentially Tyler Lockett doing his best zach ertz
impersonation just basically as soon as hegets contact, falling over with the ball.
Where you know you've got JSN,I've two hundred and eleven pounds slot
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receiver who I I think, youknow, old school coach like Pete Carroll
is gonna look and see the contactand continue to drive and value that.
And after all that, I thinkthere's still meat on the bone for JSN
like I said he had. Heran sixty five percent routes in Week thirteen,
compared to eighty one for both Lockettand Metcalf. So theoretically, Pete
Carroll could get those numbers up closerto eighty one percent without even touching Metcalf,
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Lockett or fant. Jake Bobo stillran nine point three percent of the
routes actually had an a dot ofnegative two yards, So you could just
get rid of those right away,or at least pair those back, and
we're getting some routes and then twotight end sets Will Destley and Koltlee Parkinson
combined for seventeen routes, thirty ninepoint five percent of the routes are going
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to the tight end two and three. You scale some of those back,
you scale back a little bit ofJake Bobo, and all of a sudden
you're getting to a wide receiver threeclose to eighty one point four percent,
just like DK Metcalf, like JSN. You're looking at a six and sixteen
playing for a wild card spot ina competitive NFC. You know, and
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this worked. They scored more pointsin Week thirteen than they've scored all season,
including going to overtime against the LaRams. Now you know they didn't
win, but and at the sametime, you know, Metcalf is the
one that scored those touchdowns. Butthat's the entire point. You know,
you actually had JSN who is ableto make Dallas pay in the short and
the intermediate space, which then opensup those deeper routes for DK Metcalf when
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they start to come in. It'sjust that Lockett hasn't been as credible of
a threat in this year the final. You know, we've talked about the
Seattle wide receivers having the most favorablerest of season schedule San Francisco this week,
Philadelphia, Tennessee hit. Those areexploitable matchups, if not positive matchups
for the entire way through last bitof propaganda for you, this was interesting.
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There was a a rookie receiver intwenty twenty one named Amanro Saint Brown
who did not see double digit targetsuntil Week thirteen, which is the same
ASN also saw that explosion in targetsand at the same time you saw the
exact same thing in that game,and moving forward the first read or design
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plays, both of them went fromabout fifteen thirteen to fifteen percent up until
over thirty percent in the game wherethese coaches decided, Okay, we've seen
enough. We want to see whatour rookie can do with more opportunity.
So I think at this point theygave him an opportunity. He made the
most of it and actually made theoffense work. They've got a shot to
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make the playoffs. I could seemoving forward a similar type of run to
Amon Rob's rookie season where he justconsistently saw double digit targets between then and
the end of the season. Makesthat late. He's gonna run and wins
a lot of people, a lotof leagues and money. Yeah. No,
all great points in this. Andyou've been talking about JSN for a
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while now, right, Hey,when they get there, when they get
their starting tackles back, we're gonnaget less tight end, We're gonna get
more js On. That happened lastweek. Got their starting left tackle back,
we got more js On. He'smore than doubled his Fantasy points per
game since since Week seven, righteleven points per game since week seven,
comparitors five point four Previously to thatrookie receiver had an injury risk injury.
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At the beginning of the year startedslow. You know, we're kind of
waiting for this breakout and end ofthe season schedule looks really, really good.
My disappointment, one disappointment we talkedabout this off off the air,
is just I wish you would havecapitalized more. I wish you would have
made them, made Pete Carroll evenmore proud by you know, scoring that
holding on too, that touchout,even though we drew the pass interference but
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penalty. You know, he wasn'tbad by any means. Just I hate
Leaven almost fantasy points out there,because then if he scored thirty points,
you know, I would be like, oh, you know, we really
got to get this guy more involved. Even though I do agree with everything
that you're saying, why do wecare so much? Right? Why?
Why why are we we screaming fromthe rooftops about jasn Well, because he's
a guy that you probably haven't hadand you're starting lineups. Guys, this
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until you're in and out based oninjuries or bye weeks. Now Jack saying,
hey, we might want to forcehim into our to our starting lineups.
Now we've got we've got big moneyweeks coming up here. You look
at the guys like Nico Collins startblow up week last week, he's got
the Jets. This week, he'sgot Sauce Gardner, He's got some tough
matchups. Maybe it's a coin flipbetween Nico and a guy like js On.
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You want to hit jays On beforehe uh you want you want to
start him before he has those thosemonster weeks or else. You look at
those points. So Scott Scott asksin the chat, is JASN season coming,
Yeah? I think I think jasN CC seasons here. Yeah.
And I think if you build teamslike a lot of people do at the
f FWC, and you know you'retaking on not only a good deal of
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receivers, but but storing those rookiewide receivers to the end of the season,
like this is the time where maybeyou haven't had to flex him,
or maybe now that we're through byeweeks, you've got more of your wide
receiver options options to choose from,and your you know, jas Enter,
Jaden Reeds, like all these kindof borderline cases, and I think all
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of the indicators for JSN. Ifyou have him and you can work into
your lineup, you know, Iwould find a way to do it for
sure. I mean, right now, consensus rankings of jas Cent around wide
receiver forty four this upcoming week,which has him not in your starting three
f FWC, you can startup tofive, so he still fits in there.
But you know the receivers ranked aheadof him Beckham no, Jacobi Myers,
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no, Jerry Judy, no,Jordan Edison no. Like I would
start him over all those guys,easily getting him into the top thirty eight
without even without even looking further.So yeah, I think they know it's
tough. It's a tough pill toswallow. It. Hey, this is
a championship week, or this isplayoff week, like this, this is
the week to do it. Butgreat matchup, you know, and probably
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again that they're going to have toshoot out with San Francisco, and San
Francisco's secondary not as good as you'dthink as far as fantasy points given up
to twenty second ranked, So thismight be the week man where he bawls
out and in reference to like histotal routes run last week, they lost
like an entire drive to due toMetcalf's like seventy five yard touchdown catch like
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the very first so like if theirgoal was to come out and feature JSN
and their first drive disappears off offthe field because Metcalf scores that long touchdown,
like he might have lost three targetson that drive alone, so exactly.
Yeah, So I think there's definitelysomebody down the bone there, and
I think he is transition. Ithink I think I think Locke is on
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his way out. He just looksolder and slower and he's he's thirty two
undersize like it's time. You're right. He right reminds me of on right.
He also reminds me of a GoldenTate another like Lions heavy duty slot
like running back type of receiver runafter catch. So I'd really like to
see him get going for sure.Awesome. Yeah, So we're moving on
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here. Thanks for getting that outout of the way. Today we want
to talk about uh Today, wewant to talk about our our MVPs and
busts, Fantasy MVP's and busts forthis season. We did this probably six
weeks ago or so. I didit about six weeks ago or so with
like mid season. Now we're inthe final season here, Who who have
been the actual MVPs and busts?And listen, we'll have end of season
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after the fantasy playoffs we can doit again because who who got you there?
But then who kind of died onyou in the fantasy playoffs. Well,
here we're going to talk about someMVPs and some busts for this season,
basically the regular season of fantasy football. Jet go ahead, who is
your who is your MVP of thefantasy football season? And why this may
be a bit chalk, I'm stickingto the first round. I'm not not
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getting fancy. We're cute with it, but my vote for the Fantasy MVP
of this season is Christian McCaffrey.He was going fourth overall by ADP and
in our World Championship drafts. Sojust start real simple total fantasy points.
He's the RB one at two ninetyseven, the RB two moistert as two
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fifteen. So you've got a differenceof eighty one points between the RB one
and the RB two. And thenif you go all the way to RB
twelve, which is Bijon on theseason, that's only a difference of one
hundred and twenty five points. Soreally, this is what what Christian McCaffrey
is doing, is what Travis Kelseydid for the tight end position last year.
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He's completely gapping the rest of thefield. And if anything, there's
some reason to believe that Moster mightslow down a little bit with the rise
of a chan again now that he'scoming back, that may, you know,
lead to that gap being even bigger. So then you've got the gap
of eighty one point seven points betweenRB one and RB two Tyreek Hill,
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Wide receiver one and wide receiver twoKeenan Allen on the season, there's a
gap of forty six point five points. So in these crucial positions, he
is almost double the difference between RBone and RB two, as it is
wide receiver one and wide receiver two. And if you look at quarterbacks,
it's so close it doesn't even matter. Josh Allen is only six points ahead
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of qb U Jalen Hurts. Soyou got all of that, then you
look at just you know, obviouslyas injuries and things like that. So
fantasy points per game twenty four pointeight, leads all running backs, three
point two ahead of second place eightCHM. But it's not just Fluke.
He's not running hot. There's notjust some weird variants. He actually has
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the also the highest percentage of teamexpected fantasy points. He's getting thirty point
six percent of the expected fantasy pointseach and every week for the entire San
Francisco forty nine ers team. That'stwo point two percent ahead of even Saquon,
who's the second place, who's alsojust a huge part of that Giants
offense. He's getting, you know, second in team targets, behind only
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Kamara. He's third in snaps behindKyron and Saquon. So he's always out
on the field. He's consistently scoringpoints, and in a running back situation,
like a running back field that isjust absolutely decimated and underperforming, to
be able to gap the entire fieldlike that, I can't think of a
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more valuable fantasy player from just astructural positional perspective. Yeah. No,
that's a good point. And theway to kind of the way that you're
kind of valuing that is for theMVP most valuable is the difference between him
and the number two running back andall that comparing it to the quarterbacks and
the receivers, and those are allvalid, valid points. I'm going to
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go with a different player. I'mgoing to go a different route of looking
at value. I mean, christmccafy is obviously a stud, and if
you took him at the one Oone between the one on one, one
of four or five, wherever youtook him, you're certainly happy and you're
satisfied with with what you got.But the value that I'm looking at is
the value that you might have gottenin drafting this player. And my MVP
is RB two Raheem mostertsu because hewas a guy. Again he doesn't have
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the like the difference between him isthe RB two overall and the RB three
is only five to total points.But we're looking at a guy that was
being drafted like the eleventh round ofdrafts, and so I can I don't
have those numbers in front of me, and obviously they're not they're not complete
yet, but I can almost guaranteeyou, like the ROI or the or
the pass through rate or whatever inthese tournaments is going to be higher with
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Raheen Moster or as high with Mostas it's going to be with Christian McCaffrey
because of the value that you wereable to You were able to draft McCaffrey
and most arts, you know,and there are probably a lot of teams
that have McCaffrey and most are soso that's where I come in, you
know, that that's the way thatI see. And he's almost been even
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even better. I mean, obviouslythe Fantasy points per game, McAffrey is
at twenty and most it's at sixteen. But if we're talking about like opportunity
share, like McCaffrey has much moreopportunity share, you know, and Reem
Moster has one less touchdown one lessuh sorry, he has two more rushing
touchdowns fourteen to twelve. He's beenreally really good and he's played every single
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game, like honestly, like youcan look like even Scott and Scott in
the chat. But Puka and KyronKyron, I love Kyron. Kyrin's in
the same thing to me as Moster, and Kyron's gonna make a lot of
people, hopefully us a lot ofpeople money. But Kyron can't be the
MVP right now because he missed freakingfive weeks. So there's gonna be a
lot of teams that have Kyroen thatdon't even get get through, whereas Moster's
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helping everybody get through. He's atpoints two hundred fourteen four points everage Fantasy
points sixteen point point one. Okay, what's even crazier, dude, is
Devin h Chan. So Kyrien Williamsis actually number two in points per game
for running back to eighteen point five. Devin ah Chan is like fourth for
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fourth or fifth at fourteen point four. You have two running backs on the
same team and like the top fivein points per game. It's insane because
people think, you know, they'retalking about this this passing game and Tyreek
and all the McDaniel comes from theNiners. The Niners want to run the
ball first. See Christian McCaffrey withthe but you kind of get can it
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doesn't make sense because they have allthese passing weapons they want to build.
They want to run first past second. That's why you can get away with
uh with with quarterbacks like Tua,you know what I mean, because because
you can run the ball most it'sbeen been awesome. He is slowing down
a little bit. Had to getthe majority of the work in the first
half, lost a little bit toeight Chan in the second half. But
I'm telling you, when you're startingMoster down the stretch now, will he
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be the playoff MVP? Probably not, because, like you said, eight
Chan's back, Tyn's back, allthese other guys are back. But I
think as of right now, youlook at ri En Motion and what he's
done for fantasy teams and the eleventhrout is RB two and played every week.
Uh, he's He's my fantasy MVP. It is just wild to think
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about that during the summer you wereable to draft Mostart and ah Chan and
even Jeff Wilson where you were becausewe were concerned that the death Alvin Cook
was going to come and take allof the work from these guys, and
it's just been the complete opposite.And also, if you would have told
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me in the summer that Moster wouldbe healthy and play, you know,
a complete season, or at leastas far as he has up until this
point, I don't think any ofone of us would have seen that coming
either. But you know, hegoes to show our assumptions and kind of
conventional wisdom on things when you kindof take the invert of it. That's
that's where there's a lot of opportunityfor that upside value, like you're talking
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about. Yeah, and a lotof guys are puting, like Mike Mike
Evans is another grim. He's whatI considered definitely wasn't up there. I've
been on the mic, I saidMike Evnins a Hall of Famer three four,
four years ago. Tyreek Hill hasCMC vibes right first round pick like
head and shoulders above the field.I think Tyrek Hill could be the NFL
MVP. Well, listen, JoshAllen's gonna win every game here right now.
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They're gonna make the playoffs. He'sgonna lead the league in everything,
and he's gonna be the MVP.But you know whatever, there's a lot
of great players. Corey puts inthe chat. JJ's back this week.
Obviously not the MVP, but JJcould be the playoff MVP. Think about
it, you're it's gonna be toughto get into the three week races and
the Fantasy playoffs with JJ on theteam. If you can get in there
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and then JJ hits, he couldbe massive for you. Massive because the
ownership is gonna be so so low. So it's really nice getting JJ back
into those back into those lineups.So I'm definitely excited about about that.
All right, moving on to ourto our busts. Talk to me about
about what your bust for the twentytwenty three fantasy regular season so far.
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Well, my bust it's kind oftwo sides of the same Unning back Coin
CMC being the MVP, and myfantasy bust for the year is Austin Eckler.
I this'll slightly victory lap here,right. I didn't look at injuries,
kind of like we talked about,if somebody gets injured, like Justin
Jefferson, we're not going to holdthat against him. But you know,
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let's just so let's look for thenine games he's played, the fifth overall
pick by ADP, he's averaging fourteenpoint seven fantasy points a game, which
is the RB thirteen. So ifyou take a look at the twelve running
backs ahead of him currently in pointsand then combine that with their ADP one
CMC, like we talked about inthe first round two is h HN,
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which you could easily get at theend of the summer by the tenth.
Round three is Kyron the fifteenth round. Fourth is Kamara in the sixth round.
Fifth is Mostured in about the eighthto ninth round by the end of
the summer, sixth etn in thefourth round, Seventh Montgomery in the sixth
round. Eighth is Gibbs in thethird round. You've got Saquon at nine
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end of the first Rashad White inthe sixth, Joe Mixon in the third,
and Derrick Henry end of the secondround. So the point being literally
any one of those picks is doingfar better because you can get better points
per game or comparable points per gamealmost at any point in the draft after
Austin Eckler. And then you lookat expected Fantasy points. So maybe it's
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a structural change with you know,the new OC or something like that.
He's actually fourth overall. He's hehas seventeen point eight expected Fantasy points a
week based upon the volume in theworkload. He's getting the only three running
backs with more expected Fantasy points agame Kamara, CMC and Kyron. So
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you know that if you can dosubtraction there the seventeen point eight expected Fantasy
points a game fourteen point seven fantasypoints a game he's full. He's scoring
a full three points each week belowhis expectation. That's worse than Josh Jacobs,
who went in the third round attwo point nine points under. That's
worse than Tony Pollard is underperforming.He's two point nine percent two point nine
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under expectation, but you could gethim in the second round. Like the
only RB that is underperforming they're expectedpoints by a greater amount is Alexander Madison,
who's a full four point three pointsbelow expectation. But you didn't have
to waste a first round draft pickon him. You could have got him
in the fifth round. So tome, the takeaway and the dichotomy between
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Christian McCaffrey and Austin Eckler, thiswill be probably even bolder than the JSN
take everybody. You know. Iheard a lot of feedback during the summer
about when you'd go with a verywide receiver heavy draft, you'd start start
with four or five a lot oftimes even six straight wide receivers. Can't
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you find like a running back inthat area that that that's worth it?
I think, at least so farthis season is pointing out that the RB
dead zone this season started in thefirst round after Christian McCaffrey. Every single
one of those running backs afterwards isreplaceable by running backs rounds later, and
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Austin Eckler being the priceiest dead zonerunning back on the list has to be
the biggest bust. Yeah, Icompletely agree that. Yeah, my homes,
there's the guys, there's there's somany busts. And again we tried
to avoid avoid the injuries because there'sbeen so many injuries, Like how do
you, uh, how do youhold an injury against against the guy?
But no, I mean Eckler waseven hurt too for a couple of weeks.
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But even when he's played, hehas not been good. He was
a guy that I was avoiding.I don't think I like any echoler where
it matters. I might have himin a couple of super flex a couple
of super super flex leagues, becauseagain, you get him in the fourth
round, him a super bower orwhatever like the third round, and you're
kind of building rosters differently. Butbut yeah, I I completely agree there
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running backs, especially in an injuryheavy year, you know it's going to
affect running backs a ton, Andso I mean even with my with my
uh, MVP moster a guy thatyou could have gotten in the eleventh round.
There's a lit you know, itgoes on and on and on the
list of of of running backs youcould have had instead of Eckeler. He
was a guy I was off oftwo because of his size. Like he's
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just kind of an underside. Iget he's jacked, but like he's older
and he's undersized, and he's likeeventually new offensive coordinator. Just too many
question marks for that. And andthe crazy thing is is like he's kind
of like his runout other than theinjury where he was out a few weeks,
has been really pure as far aslike injuries to other positions, Like
he should be catching nine balls agame with with with the situation that's going
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on there right now. I mean, Dunston stinks, you know. Mike
Williams is hurt. Gerald Everett's neveron the field. He's split in time,
Like he should be catching seven,eight, nine balls a game and
he just isn't. So it doesn'tI don't know. I don't know if
it's the age. Cliff he wasa hard fade for me in the offseason.
I would not draft him in thefirst round. Regardless of where I
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could get him. And you know, for me, yeah, the offensive
coordinator uncertainty. I thought, JillLombardi, it keeps things close to the
line of scrimmage. Maybe there's someKellen Moore pushing it downfield, pushes it
away from Austin Eckler. You know, I wasn't sure about. He saw
quite a boom in production when KeenanAllen went down last season, so I
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thought, with Keenan Allen back,you know, how would that affect him?
But I don't think I could havewas even necessarily thinking it was going
to be this bad when I decidedto fade him. I didn't see it
playing out like this, especially ifyou would have told me Big Mike,
Josh Palmer, Quinton Johnson, GeraldEverett, like everyone ahead other than Keenan
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Allen was just going to collapse.He would assume that Austin Eckeler to keep
driving in that offense, and he'sjust really taking a step back. Yeah,
and he even that he's not evenpassing the eye test anymore. I
mean sometimes he just looks really slow. So but yeah, okay, moving
on to mind. And I struggledwith this because listen, there's a there's
a lot of injuries. He's disappointeda lot. I'm disappointed a lot.
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Man. It's just a lot ofa lot of injuries out there and a
lot of players that were disappointing.And so I was trying to pick a
player that wasn't really hurt, wasn'taffected by injury. This player that I
picked, I I he was probablymy highest drafted receiver most shares. In
fact, I even forced you todraft him in a draft that we did
together. And he was affected byinjury, but not injury to him.
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And I will say Scott's Scott's tokill me. I will say that I
own this jersey. By the way, I bought this jersey this year.
I always do that. I gotthe Gibbs jersey. I buy players and
I'm high. I got the KylePitch jersey from a couple of years ago.
The players I believe, even forfantasy, I buy their jerseys.
I rock them out all year.And that's Garrett Wilson is my is My
is my buss. I might spicesome people because he's not he hasn't been
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like awful, right because he hasn'the hasn't met them, been hurt.
You know, on a on afantasy's full season basis, he's wide receiver
to twenty three. Now he wasbeing drafted, he's like bide receiver six.
You know, it's I mean evenin some drafts he was going to
tie at wide receiver three or fourlike toward towards the end there because people
really really wanted him. And Iwill say this, if Rogers played this
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season, Garrett Wilson was gonna absolulutelysmash. I mean, if you just
look at the underlying the thirty fourpoint four percent of the target share,
thirty four point four percent, andhe's wide receiver twenty three. If he
was getting thirty four percent of AaronRodgers, you'd have Devanta Adams. That's
wide receiver one, wide receiver twotype numbers when divide when DeVonta Adams was
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with him. So he was goingto absolutely smash next season. I'm right
back on Garrett Wilson, whether it'sAaron Rodgers or something like. I'm right
back there again with Garrett Wilson.But this year to have the metrics,
the numbers that you've had, he'sbeen healthy, right, he's had Uh,
let's see thirty four four point fourpercent one hundred and twenty targets,
get one hundred and twenty targets.The next closest guy ahead of him with
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all over one hundred and twenty targetsis Michael Pittman, all the way up
the wide receiver eleven at one hundredand twenty seven targets. All right,
he is Gardner Minshew as his quarterback. Gardner Minsher's not good, but Pittman
has found a way to get towide receiver eleven and a thirty five percent
target share. So you know,it's just I get it. The quarterback
situation there has been hideous. They'renever in scoring range. He's and he's
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incredible and he does it all.But from a fantasy perspective, you take
him as ride receiver five and heends up wide receiver twenty three, and
he played every game that is abust. Unfortunately. So I mean,
and again, I could have donethis with a couple players. Could have
done it with Jaylen Waddle even thoughhe missed a game. That could have
done it with a bunch of differentt Higgins, even though he missed games
Like there's just a bunch of guysthat even when they've played, have not
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have not hit. So again,Garrett wasn't a tough one man because I
got playoff teams with Garrett Wilson onit, Like do I want to start
this this guy if I've got youknow, I probably am because of the
target share, But some some ofthe matchups are tough, and I can
you know, in these three weekraces, Jack, you know you gotta
have spike weeks from all these guys. Garrett Wilson is not. There's not
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a There is not a thirty pointweek in his bag right now with the
with the quarterback play, They're justthere, just isn't And there are thirty
point weeks in I me, youcan scroll out get Gabe Davis has thirty
point weeks in there. He's waydown below him. Zay Flowers has has
thirty point weeks and the heck,Jaydon Reid right now with Watson now has
a higher ceiling than Garrett Wilson.So it's gonna be really tough down the
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stretch for me when I'm playing forone hundred and fifty thousand dollars and some
of these races fifty thousand dollars inthe midstakes, like, it's gonna be
hard to start him, but it'salso gonna be hard to take take him
out of out of my lineup.And I think that's exactly why you know.
It reminds me of the Twitter conversationyou were talking about throughout the season
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of is it better to have thereally big injury come early on or you
know, later in the season afteryou've gotten some some production out of them.
It similar to that, is itbetter for a player that you invested
high draft capital in to get injuredearly on? So you have to make
accommodations around them and work out yourteam a different way, or be like
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an Austin Nickler or a Garrett Wilson, who's who's giving you some They're they're
they're playing, they're out there,they're they're getting enough to justify continuing to
start them, but they just kindof slowly tank your season the whole way
through, or tank the playoffs becauseyou lack that upside. They're they're kind
of the silent killers of these teams, whereas sometimes you just rather know,
Okay, I can't plan around them. Justin Jefferson when he's out, I
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know he's out, and I canmake other plans. Yeah, exactly,
And again it's like Wilson usually gettingusually getting you to thirteen to fifteen,
which is great for the regular seasonand getting those wins. You have that
nice floor or whatever. But bythe way, it takes an active god
a lot of times to get intothe fifteen. But he gets there because
he's so freaking good. But it'slike, man, when I'm chasing all
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this money, can I start andMan, there's a lot of guys with
that a much higher ceiling, Andthose are the ceilings that you got to
hit to win that, to winthat big money. So it'll it'll be
interesting to see what people are gonnado with him and what I'm even gonna
do with him moving forward with someof these roster decisions. But yeah,
the guys, a lot of guysin the chat daily Doubles says, Judy
totally get it. Mahomes, wetalked about that earlier. Mahomes absolutely a
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bus He's been like quarterback twenty onethe last like four or five weeks,
like he's not been what everyone hopedhe would be. And you know what,
you know, I draft on alot of different sites and FFWC Man,
the players here were sharp with thequarterbacks. I mean, quarterbacks lasted
longer at the FFW seed than theydid anywhere else in fany fantasy football.
So you were able to build aroster and still get Mahomes on like the
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sixth, so he doesn't really evenJosh Allen, who was going as the
as the QB one was going inthe fifth round. I mean, I
have a lot of I think wehave a have a world championship team where
we where we got where we gothim in the fifth and and digs and
then maybe the second or something likethat, but or first sorry, So
it's it's like there's a lot ofways to build around quarterbacks. And the
ff w C players were really sharpby kind of waiting on those quarterbacks for
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sure. So hopefully people weren't killedlike Mahomes in the sixth or fifth.
You're you're you're not dead. Infact, I've got a couple of teams
that are through with Mahomes. Youtake Mahomes in the second like they were
doing on some of these other sites, like it kills your team, kills
your kills your roster. So interestingstuff there, And no, I absolutely
love a lot of a lot ofthe comments there in the draft. For
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sure, Pits another one, Pitsis a butt, I mean pitsteeds to
get out of there, or theyneed to get a new quarterback, or
they gotta get rid of the coach. So many options there. But all
right, moving on to some someplayers for usage and stuff like that.
We're gonna start with a with awith a guy that I had a lot
of going into this season. Aplayer that's kind of that's been a bust,
kind of definitely on the field andwas injured a lot going into it.
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That's Deontay Johnson, wide receiver forthe Steelers. He's a guy that
hasn't been what we've hoped for.But you know, maybe there's some maybe
there's a rainbow here right after thestorm, After the storm. Jared Smola
tweets out yesterday that Deontay Johnson outtargeted George Pickens forty three to seventeen in
Mitch Trubisky's four full games last season. Now, I get George Pickens was
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a rookie, and George Pickens hasbeen a little bit better this year,
but he hasn't been a ton better. He's still hit and miss, He's
still run a lot of those windsprints. But I think if this transition
to Trubisky via injury, if it'sgonna be that four to one or three
and a half to one, Ilike Deontay Johnson moving moving forward as a
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as a wide receiver. Three.Yeah, And when you told me that
one, I was kind of thinkingit through myself, and and the thing
that caused me to pump the brakesat first, well, maybe you know,
Trubisky might favor Deonti Johnson, butyou know, with Matt Canada gone,
the game plan has seemed to be, you know, running a whole
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lot more over expectation over where you'dassume they would kind of trying to protect
the quarterback. So maybe the overalltarget shared, you know, the target
pie shrinks a little bit, andthat's kind of where Deontay Johnson lives,
and that's certainly possible. But thenI've also seen Naji Haeris popping up as
a DMP with a knee issue,so you know they might not have that
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luxury. You know, they liketo be able to split those those rushing
attempts pretty evenly between him and JalenWarren. They don't seem comfortable fully turning
it over to Jalen Warren. Soif he's not performing what they think is
well enough to get by and givehim the full workload, they may not
be able to lean into the runlike they've tried to since they got rid
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of Canada. So yeah, youknow, there's a clear preference, and
it's hard to ignore. It's notjust a particular game, but but over
a four game span that that starkof a preference. There's something about what
Deontay Johnson does in his game thatjust makes it easier for Mitch to find
him. Yeah, I think he'sjust a much better route runner. He
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gets open, like core quarterbacks kindof trust those guys. His hands,
you know, he's had some suspecthands over the years. But but yeah,
I think he's a guy again widereceiver three, nothing, nothing special,
But I think he's a guy thatcan probably compete with Garrett Wilson going
down the stretch here for like forfor for fantasy points, which isn't really
saying much. By moving on toto a guy that we had thought we
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had turned the corner with this guylike a month ago, when here we
are back talking about Jamior Gibbs,another guy who's loose jersey that I that
I owned. Hees his lowest snapshare, that's right, the lowest snapshare since
Week four forty six, lowess rushingshare twenty seven percent, and route participation
at fifty four percent. So youknow, I know they got out to
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that big lead against the Saints,which is a David Montgomery type thing.
But it's also again I said,I think they're still rotating series. And
so from when I gathered, likeeven watching early on in that in that
game, the first series was DavidMontgomery series. I think Montgomery had four
or five six plays in a rowand then eventually, you know, you
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get winded. He comes out forone play, Gibbs goes in, carries
it for forty yards down to thefive yard line, and then comes right
off the field and Montgomery goes rightback in in Montgomery scores because it was
the Montgomery's drive. So it's like, if whoever has the longer drives is
gonna get more Fantasy points or getmore usage. I know it sucks,
but unfortunately in some of these moneyweeks here, you're gonna have to deal
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with some of these seven to eightpoint weeks from Jamior Gibbs whereas he's got
those twenty eight twenty nine point weeksin him. So I still think you're
starting him. Obviously, you justhave to realize that he has a he
does still have that very low lowfloor depending on game script and what they're
doing on those particular drives. Yeah, I think you hit it, especially
there at at the end with gamescript. I mean there's going to be
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not only the week to week volatilityof you know who who's drive does do
the touchdowns happen on, So youknow, if that consolidates into one of
them, then obviously that's going tobe a disparate result week to week.
But you know, the Lines getout to that early lead, they I
think they passed only twenty five timesthe entire game. So not only did
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that show, you know, justto commitment to the run they got out
ahead, they must have seen somethingin their game planning that they liked running
on the Saints and once they're aheadthey can comfortably do it and just you
know, burn away the clock.But also that those fewer pass attempts mean
fewer targets for Jamiir Gibbs, whichis part of the lifeblood of what he
does is getting those targets. Hedidn't have a single target last week,
So that's just a part of hisgame that was completely gone. And when
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you have the kind of production variability, when you're alternating drives and you're getting
rid of pass attempts because you're goingto run the ball more and not targeting
those running backs, those are justthere are gonna be certain game scripts that
even if he happens to get aparticularly good drive, he's just going to
be constrained in his upside. Butthen there's gonna be those ones where everything
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hits right and he's exactly who youneeded to win that week. Yeah,
dude, and he could score fromanywhere on the on the field. He's
so good. This offense is sothat's the problem to this offense is so
loaded. Like Montgomery's like good likeso it's like he's efficient, He's exactly
what they want him to be.Then you've got I'm on a ra You've
got the tight end, You've gotJamison with it's not even like they can
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do Okay, we need a weneed an end around with an explosive player.
We got to go to Gibbs.They have Jameson Williams who takes that
end around and jumps from the twentyfive yard line. It seemed like into
the end zone, hurdles in likeit was fast, so fast there teams
gray off. It's a line.I think they're center. Frank Ragnow is
an injury, which which doesn't lookgreat for like a David Montgomery type player.
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But the line is good. Youknow, Dome games the rest of
the season. I think they've gotthe Vikings, Dome home games, Dome
games, so those listen, they'regonna be good. I'm still starting Gibbs,
but it just stinks that it remindsme a lot of the forty nine
ers offense. If like you splitChristian McCaffrey into like a traditional running back
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and a pass catching back. Butyou know there's just they're moving well,
but they've got the strong tight end, they've got speed at the receivers,
they've got a physical receiver. Likeit's one of those offenses where you know
it's going to score and score well, but some weeks it's just going to
consolidate into certain players and not others, especially so when you split the running
back into two exactly. All right, we'll moving on here. What have
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we got here Chris Olave. Sohe's a guy that we've been excited about.
I have a lot of Chris russoLave and a guy that you know,
we've been group chats all that typeof stuff, been talking about,
like hey and not even groups.Everyone in the world watch Jameis Winston at
quarterback. We don't, obviously Cardiget hurt, but if he gets hurt,
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hey give us Jamis Winston gets thatinjury. On Sunday, Winston comes
in slinging it again. He's sucha he's just a fun player to watch,
a fun dude to listen to.He's he's he's a quirky here kind
of guy gunslinger. What does itlook like for old Lave here moving forward?
Hope? Maybe hopefully with Jameis Winstonat quarterback. Well, you know
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you shouted him out earlier, sowe'll shout him out twice. Jared Smola
on Twitter. A lot of goodstuff, so definitely a good follow.
Jamis Winston has targeted Chris Olave thisyear. He's throwing forty seven passes.
Chris o'lave has been the target onthirty eight percent of them. So we're
dealing with a smaller sample size fortyseven total passes. But there's a preference
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and it kind of fits what weknow both about Jamis Winston and what we
saw from Chris o'lave in his rookieyear. Just a lot of high air
yard to pass it down the field, you know, just put it up
there in a place for him togo get it and make that magic.
And Jameis Winston just doesn't have thatinhibition that maybe like a Mitch Rubisky who's
gonna wait to see Deontay Johnson getopen before he passes in the ball.
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Jamis is willing to yolow it andsee if he can get into the end
zone. And for our purposes,you know, if Chris o'lave doesn't catch
it, we don't lose points.So it's only an upside game with those
pitches down the field and beyond,you know, it's beyond the Jameis Winston
upside. We were starting to seesome a connection with Derek Carr before he
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went down in that game. Hehad a total of eight targets five for
one nineteen And you know part ofthat is because the Saints have kind of
turned into the Chargers. They lostMichael Thomas, where he and Shaheed.
We don't know the situation there.I mean, they were running at Perry
and Lynn Bowden. So if ChrisOlave didn't lead the league in target,
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lead the team in targets, we'dbe worried. But I think either way,
the Saints have reached the point inthe season where they need to win
now in order to make the playoffs. They're now behind Atlanta and they don't
have a better weapon downfield. There'snot a better deep threat. There's no
you know, you've got Kamara andTaysom who can maybe compete for the short
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area targets. There's not a betterdownfield threat currently available, especially until Shaheed
gets back. So for all ofthose yolo balls, whoever they're coming from,
I think we're gonna see the Chriso'lave that we were drafting in the
second round, or at least thatwe thought we were exactly. And that's
a good point a lot of itright now. Wide receiver sixteen on the
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season, and yeah, like thisis the opportunity. He's got all the
receivers hurt around him. Let's geta quarterback in there that's going to sling
him the ball twenty percent target sharethat could go up to forty like,
well, well, well he's theonly one there in Winston is the quarterback.
He hasn't even had as bed asa year as you would think.
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Why receiver sixteen, He only hasthree touchdowns on the season, which is
tied with one other receiver as thelowest touchdowns for a receiver in the top
twenty three fantasy receivers. You knowyou don't you know who he's tied with?
Jack? Who's that? Garrett Wilsonthree receivers. I just noticed that
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I didn't have that right now,there you go. But Garrett was hey,
Scott, love him? Listen,Scott, Scott says, enough slander.
You have one hundred yards in touchdowns. We guaranteed. I would love
that because I've got so much GarrettWilson. But hey, to Ohio State
buddies, to Ohio State receivers herea Lave and Wilson. Hopefully they can
they could both smash down the stretchhere. But that's it, man,
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Anything else, anything else you wantto you want to harp on, you
want to talk about how listen,a lot less waivers to go through tonight.
Plus you don't have any money leftfrom all the teams that I'm looking
at. I think on one ofmy leagues, I have a dollar because
I have to get a quarterback tofill in for Kyler Murray and I waited
until this week, soa expefully Tommyto Vito. Here we go, Tommy
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the Veto for the win. Listen, we we had to get Tommy to
Vito's name out there before we endedend of this year. But thanks everybody
for joining us tonight, a greatshow as usual. We'll be back next
week talking about playoffs coming up forfantasy, talking about those kind of who
can we put in our starting lineups, who to get for the three week
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race, for the sprints, forthe four week races, the five week
races here to make that one hundredand fifty k here at the FFWC,
and of a lot of other tournamentsthey have going on. Jack and I
have a team in the top ten. I got a couple of Midstakes Circle
Las Vegas Fantasy teams that are thatare competing, so hopefully can win some
cash there too. And we willsee everybody next next week. Good luck
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this weekend, Have a good night,
Welcome to the Full Time Fantasy Podcast. Please m it by the Fantasy Football
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everybody? Welcome to the Full TimeFantasy Football Podcast. I am your host
Adam Kroutwurst, and with me asalways is Jack Kolsen, my partner in
crime over here at the f fwc H Draft in making all this money
hopefully. What is going on tonight? Jack? Hey, you know these
uh, these Wednesday nights are gettinga whole lot easier now with you know,
(01:14):
waivers and all of that. Whenyou spend all your money and you've
got zero dollars in week fourteen,it's actually pretty nice. We're at to
to a Mexican restaurant with the wife. Took it easy. Tonight. Wasn't
griming waivers. It was what atreat daudi. If I was talking to
another high stakes, high volume guyyesterday on the phone and he was like,
(01:34):
hey, you got time for acall im? Yeah, sure,
whatever, and I give the time. He was like, yeah, that'll
be fine because you know, there'sno more way there's you know, ninety
percent of my waivers are non existentnow, so yeah, we can we
can make that phone call work ona Tuesday or Wednesday night. It's funny.
We gotta we gotta work our livesaround that too, but also other
stuff so people don't understand if youdon't, you know, oh it's a
podcast. It's easy. Yes,it's it's fun talking ball and all that
(01:57):
stuff. But the work that goesinto it. And then you know,
I have a wife, I havekids. I have a half eaten piece
of pizza next to me running inbetween soccer practice, basketball practice, are
running in the doors, your homeworkdone, I'm getting out like it's it's
bananas waivers. You're you're getting intothat world too now, So it's uh,
it's it's can be wild at times. So shout out to all the
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content creators out there who are whoare doing this. Uh uh as much
or more than we are. Sothat's right. Sure, speaking of shout
outs, we're gonna get our weekly. We'll get our weekly js N shout
out out of the way early.Uh Jackson BIGBA had a game last week,
could have been better. Uh,could have could have been worse.
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But talk to us this week?What what what? What do we got
it? What do we hear fromyou from the jays N flank member here
it because the j s N cornersegment now recurring bit, but I feel
like I'm actually, rather than begrudginglyor contractually obligated to talk about it.
There's some excitment at least for methis week. You know, we talked
about last week about Pete Carroll sayinghe wants to get Jess and the ball
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more. In a week thirteen,they actually did it. He led Seattle
in targets with eleven, which wasalso ninth among all wide receivers in that
week twenty six point eight percent targetshare, which is fantastic but probably most
exciting as far as targets are concerned. Thirty one percent of Seattle's first read
in design plays, so almost athird of the offense was game planned and
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dedicated to go to him, whichtells me that this isn't a fluke,
this is sticky. This is thegame plan moving forward. And it's even
more impressive that he did all thisand he actually took saw about four percent
fewer routes than he would typically do, so he's getting the most out of
what he has. You'd love tosee the explosion of routes right away.
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But he's been targeted in week thirteenon thirty nine percent of his routes run.
That's two percent more than Puka Nikouaand two percent behind Ceedee, Lamb,
Tyreek and Nico. So he's rightin that area of targets per route
run where you're seeing they're really startingto use him when he's on the field,
and when he got that opportunity,actually did something with it. In
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my opinion, he started to eclipseTyler Lockett. You know, he turned
those targets into leading the team forreceptions. He was second in yards behind
DK Metcalf and the explosion he hadthe is yards per route run two point
twenty one compared to only one pointthree four for Lockett. And I think
probably most interestingly between the two ofthem, Jasn and Lockett, if you
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look at yards after contact per reception, two point eight seven for JSN versus
zero point six for Lockett. Soessentially Tyler Lockett doing his best zach ertz
impersonation just basically as soon as hegets contact, falling over with the ball.
Where you know you've got JSN,I've two hundred and eleven pounds slot
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receiver who I I think, youknow, old school coach like Pete Carroll
is gonna look and see the contactand continue to drive and value that.
And after all that, I thinkthere's still meat on the bone for JSN
like I said he had. Heran sixty five percent routes in Week thirteen,
compared to eighty one for both Lockettand Metcalf. So theoretically, Pete
Carroll could get those numbers up closerto eighty one percent without even touching Metcalf,
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Lockett or fant. Jake Bobo stillran nine point three percent of the
routes actually had an a dot ofnegative two yards, So you could just
get rid of those right away,or at least pair those back, and
we're getting some routes and then twotight end sets Will Destley and Koltlee Parkinson
combined for seventeen routes, thirty ninepoint five percent of the routes are going
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to the tight end two and three. You scale some of those back,
you scale back a little bit ofJake Bobo, and all of a sudden
you're getting to a wide receiver threeclose to eighty one point four percent,
just like DK Metcalf, like JSN. You're looking at a six and sixteen
playing for a wild card spot ina competitive NFC. You know, and
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this worked. They scored more pointsin Week thirteen than they've scored all season,
including going to overtime against the LaRams. Now you know they didn't
win, but and at the sametime, you know, Metcalf is the
one that scored those touchdowns. Butthat's the entire point. You know,
you actually had JSN who is ableto make Dallas pay in the short and
the intermediate space, which then opensup those deeper routes for DK Metcalf when
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they start to come in. It'sjust that Lockett hasn't been as credible of
a threat in this year the final. You know, we've talked about the
Seattle wide receivers having the most favorablerest of season schedule San Francisco this week,
Philadelphia, Tennessee hit. Those areexploitable matchups, if not positive matchups
for the entire way through last bitof propaganda for you, this was interesting.
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There was a a rookie receiver intwenty twenty one named Amanro Saint Brown
who did not see double digit targetsuntil Week thirteen, which is the same
ASN also saw that explosion in targetsand at the same time you saw the
exact same thing in that game,and moving forward the first read or design
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plays, both of them went fromabout fifteen thirteen to fifteen percent up until
over thirty percent in the game wherethese coaches decided, Okay, we've seen
enough. We want to see whatour rookie can do with more opportunity.
So I think at this point theygave him an opportunity. He made the
most of it and actually made theoffense work. They've got a shot to
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make the playoffs. I could seemoving forward a similar type of run to
Amon Rob's rookie season where he justconsistently saw double digit targets between then and
the end of the season. Makesthat late. He's gonna run and wins
a lot of people, a lotof leagues and money. Yeah. No,
all great points in this. Andyou've been talking about JSN for a
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while now, right, Hey,when they get there, when they get
their starting tackles back, we're gonnaget less tight end, We're gonna get
more js On. That happened lastweek. Got their starting left tackle back,
we got more js On. He'smore than doubled his Fantasy points per
game since since Week seven, righteleven points per game since week seven,
comparitors five point four Previously to thatrookie receiver had an injury risk injury.
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At the beginning of the year startedslow. You know, we're kind of
waiting for this breakout and end ofthe season schedule looks really, really good.
My disappointment, one disappointment we talkedabout this off off the air,
is just I wish you would havecapitalized more. I wish you would have
made them, made Pete Carroll evenmore proud by you know, scoring that
holding on too, that touchout,even though we drew the pass interference but
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penalty. You know, he wasn'tbad by any means. Just I hate
Leaven almost fantasy points out there,because then if he scored thirty points,
you know, I would be like, oh, you know, we really
got to get this guy more involved. Even though I do agree with everything
that you're saying, why do wecare so much? Right? Why?
Why why are we we screaming fromthe rooftops about jasn Well, because he's
a guy that you probably haven't hadand you're starting lineups. Guys, this
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until you're in and out based oninjuries or bye weeks. Now Jack saying,
hey, we might want to forcehim into our to our starting lineups.
Now we've got we've got big moneyweeks coming up here. You look
at the guys like Nico Collins startblow up week last week, he's got
the Jets. This week, he'sgot Sauce Gardner, He's got some tough
matchups. Maybe it's a coin flipbetween Nico and a guy like js On.
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You want to hit jays On beforehe uh you want you want to
start him before he has those thosemonster weeks or else. You look at
those points. So Scott Scott asksin the chat, is JASN season coming,
Yeah? I think I think jasN CC seasons here. Yeah.
And I think if you build teamslike a lot of people do at the
f FWC, and you know you'retaking on not only a good deal of
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receivers, but but storing those rookiewide receivers to the end of the season,
like this is the time where maybeyou haven't had to flex him,
or maybe now that we're through byeweeks, you've got more of your wide
receiver options options to choose from,and your you know, jas Enter,
Jaden Reeds, like all these kindof borderline cases, and I think all
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of the indicators for JSN. Ifyou have him and you can work into
your lineup, you know, Iwould find a way to do it for
sure. I mean, right now, consensus rankings of jas Cent around wide
receiver forty four this upcoming week,which has him not in your starting three
f FWC, you can startup tofive, so he still fits in there.
But you know the receivers ranked aheadof him Beckham no, Jacobi Myers,
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no, Jerry Judy, no,Jordan Edison no. Like I would
start him over all those guys,easily getting him into the top thirty eight
without even without even looking further.So yeah, I think they know it's
tough. It's a tough pill toswallow. It. Hey, this is
a championship week, or this isplayoff week, like this, this is
the week to do it. Butgreat matchup, you know, and probably
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again that they're going to have toshoot out with San Francisco, and San
Francisco's secondary not as good as you'dthink as far as fantasy points given up
to twenty second ranked, So thismight be the week man where he bawls
out and in reference to like histotal routes run last week, they lost
like an entire drive to due toMetcalf's like seventy five yard touchdown catch like
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the very first so like if theirgoal was to come out and feature JSN
and their first drive disappears off offthe field because Metcalf scores that long touchdown,
like he might have lost three targetson that drive alone, so exactly.
Yeah, So I think there's definitelysomebody down the bone there, and
I think he is transition. Ithink I think I think Locke is on
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his way out. He just looksolder and slower and he's he's thirty two
undersize like it's time. You're right. He right reminds me of on right.
He also reminds me of a GoldenTate another like Lions heavy duty slot
like running back type of receiver runafter catch. So I'd really like to
see him get going for sure.Awesome. Yeah, So we're moving on
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here. Thanks for getting that outout of the way. Today we want
to talk about uh Today, wewant to talk about our our MVPs and
busts, Fantasy MVP's and busts forthis season. We did this probably six
weeks ago or so. I didit about six weeks ago or so with
like mid season. Now we're inthe final season here, Who who have
been the actual MVPs and busts?And listen, we'll have end of season
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after the fantasy playoffs we can doit again because who who got you there?
But then who kind of died onyou in the fantasy playoffs. Well,
here we're going to talk about someMVPs and some busts for this season,
basically the regular season of fantasy football. Jet go ahead, who is
your who is your MVP of thefantasy football season? And why this may
be a bit chalk, I'm stickingto the first round. I'm not not
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getting fancy. We're cute with it, but my vote for the Fantasy MVP
of this season is Christian McCaffrey.He was going fourth overall by ADP and
in our World Championship drafts. Sojust start real simple total fantasy points.
He's the RB one at two ninetyseven, the RB two moistert as two
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fifteen. So you've got a differenceof eighty one points between the RB one
and the RB two. And thenif you go all the way to RB
twelve, which is Bijon on theseason, that's only a difference of one
hundred and twenty five points. Soreally, this is what what Christian McCaffrey
is doing, is what Travis Kelseydid for the tight end position last year.
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He's completely gapping the rest of thefield. And if anything, there's
some reason to believe that Moster mightslow down a little bit with the rise
of a chan again now that he'scoming back, that may, you know,
lead to that gap being even bigger. So then you've got the gap
of eighty one point seven points betweenRB one and RB two Tyreek Hill,
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Wide receiver one and wide receiver twoKeenan Allen on the season, there's a
gap of forty six point five points. So in these crucial positions, he
is almost double the difference between RBone and RB two, as it is
wide receiver one and wide receiver two. And if you look at quarterbacks,
it's so close it doesn't even matter. Josh Allen is only six points ahead
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of qb U Jalen Hurts. Soyou got all of that, then you
look at just you know, obviouslyas injuries and things like that. So
fantasy points per game twenty four pointeight, leads all running backs, three
point two ahead of second place eightCHM. But it's not just Fluke.
He's not running hot. There's notjust some weird variants. He actually has
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the also the highest percentage of teamexpected fantasy points. He's getting thirty point
six percent of the expected fantasy pointseach and every week for the entire San
Francisco forty nine ers team. That'stwo point two percent ahead of even Saquon,
who's the second place, who's alsojust a huge part of that Giants
offense. He's getting, you know, second in team targets, behind only
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Kamara. He's third in snaps behindKyron and Saquon. So he's always out
on the field. He's consistently scoringpoints, and in a running back situation,
like a running back field that isjust absolutely decimated and underperforming, to
be able to gap the entire fieldlike that, I can't think of a
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more valuable fantasy player from just astructural positional perspective. Yeah. No,
that's a good point. And theway to kind of the way that you're
kind of valuing that is for theMVP most valuable is the difference between him
and the number two running back andall that comparing it to the quarterbacks and
the receivers, and those are allvalid, valid points. I'm going to
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go with a different player. I'mgoing to go a different route of looking
at value. I mean, christmccafy is obviously a stud, and if
you took him at the one Oone between the one on one, one
of four or five, wherever youtook him, you're certainly happy and you're
satisfied with with what you got.But the value that I'm looking at is
the value that you might have gottenin drafting this player. And my MVP
is RB two Raheem mostertsu because hewas a guy. Again he doesn't have
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the like the difference between him isthe RB two overall and the RB three
is only five to total points.But we're looking at a guy that was
being drafted like the eleventh round ofdrafts, and so I can I don't
have those numbers in front of me, and obviously they're not they're not complete
yet, but I can almost guaranteeyou, like the ROI or the or
the pass through rate or whatever inthese tournaments is going to be higher with
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Raheen Moster or as high with Mostas it's going to be with Christian McCaffrey
because of the value that you wereable to You were able to draft McCaffrey
and most arts, you know,and there are probably a lot of teams
that have McCaffrey and most are soso that's where I come in, you
know, that that's the way thatI see. And he's almost been even
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even better. I mean, obviouslythe Fantasy points per game, McAffrey is
at twenty and most it's at sixteen. But if we're talking about like opportunity
share, like McCaffrey has much moreopportunity share, you know, and Reem
Moster has one less touchdown one lessuh sorry, he has two more rushing
touchdowns fourteen to twelve. He's beenreally really good and he's played every single
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game, like honestly, like youcan look like even Scott and Scott in
the chat. But Puka and KyronKyron, I love Kyron. Kyrin's in
the same thing to me as Moster, and Kyron's gonna make a lot of
people, hopefully us a lot ofpeople money. But Kyron can't be the
MVP right now because he missed freakingfive weeks. So there's gonna be a
lot of teams that have Kyroen thatdon't even get get through, whereas Moster's
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helping everybody get through. He's atpoints two hundred fourteen four points everage Fantasy
points sixteen point point one. Okay, what's even crazier, dude, is
Devin h Chan. So Kyrien Williamsis actually number two in points per game
for running back to eighteen point five. Devin ah Chan is like fourth for
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fourth or fifth at fourteen point four. You have two running backs on the
same team and like the top fivein points per game. It's insane because
people think, you know, they'retalking about this this passing game and Tyreek
and all the McDaniel comes from theNiners. The Niners want to run the
ball first. See Christian McCaffrey withthe but you kind of get can it
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doesn't make sense because they have allthese passing weapons they want to build.
They want to run first past second. That's why you can get away with
uh with with quarterbacks like Tua,you know what I mean, because because
you can run the ball most it'sbeen been awesome. He is slowing down
a little bit. Had to getthe majority of the work in the first
half, lost a little bit toeight Chan in the second half. But
I'm telling you, when you're startingMoster down the stretch now, will he
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be the playoff MVP? Probably not, because, like you said, eight
Chan's back, Tyn's back, allthese other guys are back. But I
think as of right now, youlook at ri En Motion and what he's
done for fantasy teams and the eleventhrout is RB two and played every week.
Uh, he's He's my fantasy MVP. It is just wild to think
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about that during the summer you wereable to draft Mostart and ah Chan and
even Jeff Wilson where you were becausewe were concerned that the death Alvin Cook
was going to come and take allof the work from these guys, and
it's just been the complete opposite.And also, if you would have told
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me in the summer that Moster wouldbe healthy and play, you know,
a complete season, or at leastas far as he has up until this
point, I don't think any ofone of us would have seen that coming
either. But you know, hegoes to show our assumptions and kind of
conventional wisdom on things when you kindof take the invert of it. That's
that's where there's a lot of opportunityfor that upside value, like you're talking
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about. Yeah, and a lotof guys are puting, like Mike Mike
Evans is another grim. He's whatI considered definitely wasn't up there. I've
been on the mic, I saidMike Evnins a Hall of Famer three four,
four years ago. Tyreek Hill hasCMC vibes right first round pick like
head and shoulders above the field.I think Tyrek Hill could be the NFL
MVP. Well, listen, JoshAllen's gonna win every game here right now.
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They're gonna make the playoffs. He'sgonna lead the league in everything,
and he's gonna be the MVP.But you know whatever, there's a lot
of great players. Corey puts inthe chat. JJ's back this week.
Obviously not the MVP, but JJcould be the playoff MVP. Think about
it, you're it's gonna be toughto get into the three week races and
the Fantasy playoffs with JJ on theteam. If you can get in there
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and then JJ hits, he couldbe massive for you. Massive because the
ownership is gonna be so so low. So it's really nice getting JJ back
into those back into those lineups.So I'm definitely excited about about that.
All right, moving on to ourto our busts. Talk to me about
about what your bust for the twentytwenty three fantasy regular season so far.
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Well, my bust it's kind oftwo sides of the same Unning back Coin
CMC being the MVP, and myfantasy bust for the year is Austin Eckler.
I this'll slightly victory lap here,right. I didn't look at injuries,
kind of like we talked about,if somebody gets injured, like Justin
Jefferson, we're not going to holdthat against him. But you know,
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let's just so let's look for thenine games he's played, the fifth overall
pick by ADP, he's averaging fourteenpoint seven fantasy points a game, which
is the RB thirteen. So ifyou take a look at the twelve running
backs ahead of him currently in pointsand then combine that with their ADP one
CMC, like we talked about inthe first round two is h HN,
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which you could easily get at theend of the summer by the tenth.
Round three is Kyron the fifteenth round. Fourth is Kamara in the sixth round.
Fifth is Mostured in about the eighthto ninth round by the end of
the summer, sixth etn in thefourth round, Seventh Montgomery in the sixth
round. Eighth is Gibbs in thethird round. You've got Saquon at nine
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end of the first Rashad White inthe sixth, Joe Mixon in the third,
and Derrick Henry end of the secondround. So the point being literally
any one of those picks is doingfar better because you can get better points
per game or comparable points per gamealmost at any point in the draft after
Austin Eckler. And then you lookat expected Fantasy points. So maybe it's
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a structural change with you know,the new OC or something like that.
He's actually fourth overall. He's hehas seventeen point eight expected Fantasy points a
week based upon the volume in theworkload. He's getting the only three running
backs with more expected Fantasy points agame Kamara, CMC and Kyron. So
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you know that if you can dosubtraction there the seventeen point eight expected Fantasy
points a game fourteen point seven fantasypoints a game he's full. He's scoring
a full three points each week belowhis expectation. That's worse than Josh Jacobs,
who went in the third round attwo point nine points under. That's
worse than Tony Pollard is underperforming.He's two point nine percent two point nine
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under expectation, but you could gethim in the second round. Like the
only RB that is underperforming they're expectedpoints by a greater amount is Alexander Madison,
who's a full four point three pointsbelow expectation. But you didn't have
to waste a first round draft pickon him. You could have got him
in the fifth round. So tome, the takeaway and the dichotomy between
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Christian McCaffrey and Austin Eckler, thiswill be probably even bolder than the JSN
take everybody. You know. Iheard a lot of feedback during the summer
about when you'd go with a verywide receiver heavy draft, you'd start start
with four or five a lot oftimes even six straight wide receivers. Can't
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you find like a running back inthat area that that that's worth it?
I think, at least so farthis season is pointing out that the RB
dead zone this season started in thefirst round after Christian McCaffrey. Every single
one of those running backs afterwards isreplaceable by running backs rounds later, and
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Austin Eckler being the priceiest dead zonerunning back on the list has to be
the biggest bust. Yeah, Icompletely agree that. Yeah, my homes,
there's the guys, there's there's somany busts. And again we tried
to avoid avoid the injuries because there'sbeen so many injuries, Like how do
you, uh, how do youhold an injury against against the guy?
But no, I mean Eckler waseven hurt too for a couple of weeks.
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But even when he's played, hehas not been good. He was
a guy that I was avoiding.I don't think I like any echoler where
it matters. I might have himin a couple of super flex a couple
of super super flex leagues, becauseagain, you get him in the fourth
round, him a super bower orwhatever like the third round, and you're
kind of building rosters differently. Butbut yeah, I I completely agree there
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running backs, especially in an injuryheavy year, you know it's going to
affect running backs a ton, Andso I mean even with my with my
uh, MVP moster a guy thatyou could have gotten in the eleventh round.
There's a lit you know, itgoes on and on and on the
list of of of running backs youcould have had instead of Eckeler. He
was a guy I was off oftwo because of his size. Like he's
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just kind of an underside. Iget he's jacked, but like he's older
and he's undersized, and he's likeeventually new offensive coordinator. Just too many
question marks for that. And andthe crazy thing is is like he's kind
of like his runout other than theinjury where he was out a few weeks,
has been really pure as far aslike injuries to other positions, Like
he should be catching nine balls agame with with with the situation that's going
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on there right now. I mean, Dunston stinks, you know. Mike
Williams is hurt. Gerald Everett's neveron the field. He's split in time,
Like he should be catching seven,eight, nine balls a game and
he just isn't. So it doesn'tI don't know. I don't know if
it's the age. Cliff he wasa hard fade for me in the offseason.
I would not draft him in thefirst round. Regardless of where I
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could get him. And you know, for me, yeah, the offensive
coordinator uncertainty. I thought, JillLombardi, it keeps things close to the
line of scrimmage. Maybe there's someKellen Moore pushing it downfield, pushes it
away from Austin Eckler. You know, I wasn't sure about. He saw
quite a boom in production when KeenanAllen went down last season, so I
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thought, with Keenan Allen back,you know, how would that affect him?
But I don't think I could havewas even necessarily thinking it was going
to be this bad when I decidedto fade him. I didn't see it
playing out like this, especially ifyou would have told me Big Mike,
Josh Palmer, Quinton Johnson, GeraldEverett, like everyone ahead other than Keenan
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Allen was just going to collapse.He would assume that Austin Eckeler to keep
driving in that offense, and he'sjust really taking a step back. Yeah,
and he even that he's not evenpassing the eye test anymore. I
mean sometimes he just looks really slow. So but yeah, okay, moving
on to mind. And I struggledwith this because listen, there's a there's
a lot of injuries. He's disappointeda lot. I'm disappointed a lot.
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Man. It's just a lot ofa lot of injuries out there and a
lot of players that were disappointing.And so I was trying to pick a
player that wasn't really hurt, wasn'taffected by injury. This player that I
picked, I I he was probablymy highest drafted receiver most shares. In
fact, I even forced you todraft him in a draft that we did
together. And he was affected byinjury, but not injury to him.
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And I will say Scott's Scott's tokill me. I will say that I
own this jersey. By the way, I bought this jersey this year.
I always do that. I gotthe Gibbs jersey. I buy players and
I'm high. I got the KylePitch jersey from a couple of years ago.
The players I believe, even forfantasy, I buy their jerseys.
I rock them out all year.And that's Garrett Wilson is my is My
is my buss. I might spicesome people because he's not he hasn't been
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like awful, right because he hasn'the hasn't met them, been hurt.
You know, on a on afantasy's full season basis, he's wide receiver
to twenty three. Now he wasbeing drafted, he's like bide receiver six.
You know, it's I mean evenin some drafts he was going to
tie at wide receiver three or fourlike toward towards the end there because people
really really wanted him. And Iwill say this, if Rogers played this
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season, Garrett Wilson was gonna absolulutelysmash. I mean, if you just
look at the underlying the thirty fourpoint four percent of the target share,
thirty four point four percent, andhe's wide receiver twenty three. If he
was getting thirty four percent of AaronRodgers, you'd have Devanta Adams. That's
wide receiver one, wide receiver twotype numbers when divide when DeVonta Adams was
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with him. So he was goingto absolutely smash next season. I'm right
back on Garrett Wilson, whether it'sAaron Rodgers or something like. I'm right
back there again with Garrett Wilson.But this year to have the metrics,
the numbers that you've had, he'sbeen healthy, right, he's had Uh,
let's see thirty four four point fourpercent one hundred and twenty targets,
get one hundred and twenty targets.The next closest guy ahead of him with
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all over one hundred and twenty targetsis Michael Pittman, all the way up
the wide receiver eleven at one hundredand twenty seven targets. All right,
he is Gardner Minshew as his quarterback. Gardner Minsher's not good, but Pittman
has found a way to get towide receiver eleven and a thirty five percent
target share. So you know,it's just I get it. The quarterback
situation there has been hideous. They'renever in scoring range. He's and he's
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incredible and he does it all.But from a fantasy perspective, you take
him as ride receiver five and heends up wide receiver twenty three, and
he played every game that is abust. Unfortunately. So I mean,
and again, I could have donethis with a couple players. Could have
done it with Jaylen Waddle even thoughhe missed a game. That could have
done it with a bunch of differentt Higgins, even though he missed games
Like there's just a bunch of guysthat even when they've played, have not
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have not hit. So again,Garrett wasn't a tough one man because I
got playoff teams with Garrett Wilson onit, Like do I want to start
this this guy if I've got youknow, I probably am because of the
target share, But some some ofthe matchups are tough, and I can
you know, in these three weekraces, Jack, you know you gotta
have spike weeks from all these guys. Garrett Wilson is not. There's not
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a There is not a thirty pointweek in his bag right now with the
with the quarterback play, They're justthere, just isn't And there are thirty
point weeks in I me, youcan scroll out get Gabe Davis has thirty
point weeks in there. He's waydown below him. Zay Flowers has has
thirty point weeks and the heck,Jaydon Reid right now with Watson now has
a higher ceiling than Garrett Wilson.So it's gonna be really tough down the
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stretch for me when I'm playing forone hundred and fifty thousand dollars and some
of these races fifty thousand dollars inthe midstakes, like, it's gonna be
hard to start him, but it'salso gonna be hard to take take him
out of out of my lineup.And I think that's exactly why you know.
It reminds me of the Twitter conversationyou were talking about throughout the season
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of is it better to have thereally big injury come early on or you
know, later in the season afteryou've gotten some some production out of them.
It similar to that, is itbetter for a player that you invested
high draft capital in to get injuredearly on? So you have to make
accommodations around them and work out yourteam a different way, or be like
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an Austin Nickler or a Garrett Wilson, who's who's giving you some They're they're
they're playing, they're out there,they're they're getting enough to justify continuing to
start them, but they just kindof slowly tank your season the whole way
through, or tank the playoffs becauseyou lack that upside. They're they're kind
of the silent killers of these teams, whereas sometimes you just rather know,
Okay, I can't plan around them. Justin Jefferson when he's out, I
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know he's out, and I canmake other plans. Yeah, exactly,
And again it's like Wilson usually gettingusually getting you to thirteen to fifteen,
which is great for the regular seasonand getting those wins. You have that
nice floor or whatever. But bythe way, it takes an active god
a lot of times to get intothe fifteen. But he gets there because
he's so freaking good. But it'slike, man, when I'm chasing all
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this money, can I start andMan, there's a lot of guys with
that a much higher ceiling, Andthose are the ceilings that you got to
hit to win that, to winthat big money. So it'll it'll be
interesting to see what people are gonnado with him and what I'm even gonna
do with him moving forward with someof these roster decisions. But yeah,
the guys, a lot of guysin the chat daily Doubles says, Judy
totally get it. Mahomes, wetalked about that earlier. Mahomes absolutely a
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bus He's been like quarterback twenty onethe last like four or five weeks,
like he's not been what everyone hopedhe would be. And you know what,
you know, I draft on alot of different sites and FFWC Man,
the players here were sharp with thequarterbacks. I mean, quarterbacks lasted
longer at the FFW seed than theydid anywhere else in fany fantasy football.
So you were able to build aroster and still get Mahomes on like the
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sixth, so he doesn't really evenJosh Allen, who was going as the
as the QB one was going inthe fifth round. I mean, I
have a lot of I think wehave a have a world championship team where
we where we got where we gothim in the fifth and and digs and
then maybe the second or something likethat, but or first sorry, So
it's it's like there's a lot ofways to build around quarterbacks. And the
ff w C players were really sharpby kind of waiting on those quarterbacks for
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sure. So hopefully people weren't killedlike Mahomes in the sixth or fifth.
You're you're you're not dead. Infact, I've got a couple of teams
that are through with Mahomes. Youtake Mahomes in the second like they were
doing on some of these other sites, like it kills your team, kills
your kills your roster. So interestingstuff there, And no, I absolutely
love a lot of a lot ofthe comments there in the draft. For
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sure, Pits another one, Pitsis a butt, I mean pitsteeds to
get out of there, or theyneed to get a new quarterback, or
they gotta get rid of the coach. So many options there. But all
right, moving on to some someplayers for usage and stuff like that.
We're gonna start with a with awith a guy that I had a lot
of going into this season. Aplayer that's kind of that's been a bust,
kind of definitely on the field andwas injured a lot going into it.
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That's Deontay Johnson, wide receiver forthe Steelers. He's a guy that
hasn't been what we've hoped for.But you know, maybe there's some maybe
there's a rainbow here right after thestorm, After the storm. Jared Smola
tweets out yesterday that Deontay Johnson outtargeted George Pickens forty three to seventeen in
Mitch Trubisky's four full games last season. Now, I get George Pickens was
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a rookie, and George Pickens hasbeen a little bit better this year,
but he hasn't been a ton better. He's still hit and miss, He's
still run a lot of those windsprints. But I think if this transition
to Trubisky via injury, if it'sgonna be that four to one or three
and a half to one, Ilike Deontay Johnson moving moving forward as a
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as a wide receiver. Three.Yeah, And when you told me that
one, I was kind of thinkingit through myself, and and the thing
that caused me to pump the brakesat first, well, maybe you know,
Trubisky might favor Deonti Johnson, butyou know, with Matt Canada gone,
the game plan has seemed to be, you know, running a whole
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lot more over expectation over where you'dassume they would kind of trying to protect
the quarterback. So maybe the overalltarget shared, you know, the target
pie shrinks a little bit, andthat's kind of where Deontay Johnson lives,
and that's certainly possible. But thenI've also seen Naji Haeris popping up as
a DMP with a knee issue,so you know they might not have that
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luxury. You know, they liketo be able to split those those rushing
attempts pretty evenly between him and JalenWarren. They don't seem comfortable fully turning
it over to Jalen Warren. Soif he's not performing what they think is
well enough to get by and givehim the full workload, they may not
be able to lean into the runlike they've tried to since they got rid
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of Canada. So yeah, youknow, there's a clear preference, and
it's hard to ignore. It's notjust a particular game, but but over
a four game span that that starkof a preference. There's something about what
Deontay Johnson does in his game thatjust makes it easier for Mitch to find
him. Yeah, I think he'sjust a much better route runner. He
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gets open, like core quarterbacks kindof trust those guys. His hands,
you know, he's had some suspecthands over the years. But but yeah,
I think he's a guy again widereceiver three, nothing, nothing special,
But I think he's a guy thatcan probably compete with Garrett Wilson going
down the stretch here for like forfor for fantasy points, which isn't really
saying much. By moving on toto a guy that we had thought we
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had turned the corner with this guylike a month ago, when here we
are back talking about Jamior Gibbs,another guy who's loose jersey that I that
I owned. Hees his lowest snapshare, that's right, the lowest snapshare since
Week four forty six, lowess rushingshare twenty seven percent, and route participation
at fifty four percent. So youknow, I know they got out to
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that big lead against the Saints,which is a David Montgomery type thing.
But it's also again I said,I think they're still rotating series. And
so from when I gathered, likeeven watching early on in that in that
game, the first series was DavidMontgomery series. I think Montgomery had four
or five six plays in a rowand then eventually, you know, you
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get winded. He comes out forone play, Gibbs goes in, carries
it for forty yards down to thefive yard line, and then comes right
off the field and Montgomery goes rightback in in Montgomery scores because it was
the Montgomery's drive. So it's like, if whoever has the longer drives is
gonna get more Fantasy points or getmore usage. I know it sucks,
but unfortunately in some of these moneyweeks here, you're gonna have to deal
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with some of these seven to eightpoint weeks from Jamior Gibbs whereas he's got
those twenty eight twenty nine point weeksin him. So I still think you're
starting him. Obviously, you justhave to realize that he has a he
does still have that very low lowfloor depending on game script and what they're
doing on those particular drives. Yeah, I think you hit it, especially
there at at the end with gamescript. I mean there's going to be
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not only the week to week volatilityof you know who who's drive does do
the touchdowns happen on, So youknow, if that consolidates into one of
them, then obviously that's going tobe a disparate result week to week.
But you know, the Lines getout to that early lead, they I
think they passed only twenty five timesthe entire game. So not only did
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that show, you know, justto commitment to the run they got out
ahead, they must have seen somethingin their game planning that they liked running
on the Saints and once they're aheadthey can comfortably do it and just you
know, burn away the clock.But also that those fewer pass attempts mean
fewer targets for Jamiir Gibbs, whichis part of the lifeblood of what he
does is getting those targets. Hedidn't have a single target last week,
So that's just a part of hisgame that was completely gone. And when
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you have the kind of production variability, when you're alternating drives and you're getting
rid of pass attempts because you're goingto run the ball more and not targeting
those running backs, those are justthere are gonna be certain game scripts that
even if he happens to get aparticularly good drive, he's just going to
be constrained in his upside. Butthen there's gonna be those ones where everything
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hits right and he's exactly who youneeded to win that week. Yeah,
dude, and he could score fromanywhere on the on the field. He's
so good. This offense is sothat's the problem to this offense is so
loaded. Like Montgomery's like good likeso it's like he's efficient, He's exactly
what they want him to be.Then you've got I'm on a ra You've
got the tight end, You've gotJamison with it's not even like they can
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do Okay, we need a weneed an end around with an explosive player.
We got to go to Gibbs.They have Jameson Williams who takes that
end around and jumps from the twentyfive yard line. It seemed like into
the end zone, hurdles in likeit was fast, so fast there teams
gray off. It's a line.I think they're center. Frank Ragnow is
an injury, which which doesn't lookgreat for like a David Montgomery type player.
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But the line is good. Youknow, Dome games the rest of
the season. I think they've gotthe Vikings, Dome home games, Dome
games, so those listen, they'regonna be good. I'm still starting Gibbs,
but it just stinks that it remindsme a lot of the forty nine
ers offense. If like you splitChristian McCaffrey into like a traditional running back
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and a pass catching back. Butyou know there's just they're moving well,
but they've got the strong tight end, they've got speed at the receivers,
they've got a physical receiver. Likeit's one of those offenses where you know
it's going to score and score well, but some weeks it's just going to
consolidate into certain players and not others, especially so when you split the running
back into two exactly. All right, we'll moving on here. What have
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we got here Chris Olave. Sohe's a guy that we've been excited about.
I have a lot of Chris russoLave and a guy that you know,
we've been group chats all that typeof stuff, been talking about,
like hey and not even groups.Everyone in the world watch Jameis Winston at
quarterback. We don't, obviously Cardiget hurt, but if he gets hurt,
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hey give us Jamis Winston gets thatinjury. On Sunday, Winston comes
in slinging it again. He's sucha he's just a fun player to watch,
a fun dude to listen to.He's he's he's a quirky here kind
of guy gunslinger. What does itlook like for old Lave here moving forward?
Hope? Maybe hopefully with Jameis Winstonat quarterback. Well, you know
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you shouted him out earlier, sowe'll shout him out twice. Jared Smola
on Twitter. A lot of goodstuff, so definitely a good follow.
Jamis Winston has targeted Chris Olave thisyear. He's throwing forty seven passes.
Chris o'lave has been the target onthirty eight percent of them. So we're
dealing with a smaller sample size fortyseven total passes. But there's a preference
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and it kind of fits what weknow both about Jamis Winston and what we
saw from Chris o'lave in his rookieyear. Just a lot of high air
yard to pass it down the field, you know, just put it up
there in a place for him togo get it and make that magic.
And Jameis Winston just doesn't have thatinhibition that maybe like a Mitch Rubisky who's
gonna wait to see Deontay Johnson getopen before he passes in the ball.
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Jamis is willing to yolow it andsee if he can get into the end
zone. And for our purposes,you know, if Chris o'lave doesn't catch
it, we don't lose points.So it's only an upside game with those
pitches down the field and beyond,you know, it's beyond the Jameis Winston
upside. We were starting to seesome a connection with Derek Carr before he
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went down in that game. Hehad a total of eight targets five for
one nineteen And you know part ofthat is because the Saints have kind of
turned into the Chargers. They lostMichael Thomas, where he and Shaheed.
We don't know the situation there.I mean, they were running at Perry
and Lynn Bowden. So if ChrisOlave didn't lead the league in target,
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lead the team in targets, we'dbe worried. But I think either way,
the Saints have reached the point inthe season where they need to win
now in order to make the playoffs. They're now behind Atlanta and they don't
have a better weapon downfield. There'snot a better deep threat. There's no
you know, you've got Kamara andTaysom who can maybe compete for the short
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area targets. There's not a betterdownfield threat currently available, especially until Shaheed
gets back. So for all ofthose yolo balls, whoever they're coming from,
I think we're gonna see the Chriso'lave that we were drafting in the
second round, or at least thatwe thought we were exactly. And that's
a good point a lot of itright now. Wide receiver sixteen on the
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season, and yeah, like thisis the opportunity. He's got all the
receivers hurt around him. Let's geta quarterback in there that's going to sling
him the ball twenty percent target sharethat could go up to forty like,
well, well, well he's theonly one there in Winston is the quarterback.
He hasn't even had as bed asa year as you would think.
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Why receiver sixteen, He only hasthree touchdowns on the season, which is
tied with one other receiver as thelowest touchdowns for a receiver in the top
twenty three fantasy receivers. You knowyou don't you know who he's tied with?
Jack? Who's that? Garrett Wilsonthree receivers. I just noticed that
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I didn't have that right now,there you go. But Garrett was hey,
Scott, love him? Listen,Scott, Scott says, enough slander.
You have one hundred yards in touchdowns. We guaranteed. I would love
that because I've got so much GarrettWilson. But hey, to Ohio State
buddies, to Ohio State receivers herea Lave and Wilson. Hopefully they can
they could both smash down the stretchhere. But that's it, man,
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Anything else, anything else you wantto you want to harp on, you
want to talk about how listen,a lot less waivers to go through tonight.
Plus you don't have any money leftfrom all the teams that I'm looking
at. I think on one ofmy leagues, I have a dollar because
I have to get a quarterback tofill in for Kyler Murray and I waited
until this week, soa expefully Tommyto Vito. Here we go, Tommy
(45:19):
the Veto for the win. Listen, we we had to get Tommy to
Vito's name out there before we endedend of this year. But thanks everybody
for joining us tonight, a greatshow as usual. We'll be back next
week talking about playoffs coming up forfantasy, talking about those kind of who
can we put in our starting lineups, who to get for the three week
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race, for the sprints, forthe four week races, the five week
races here to make that one hundredand fifty k here at the FFWC,
and of a lot of other tournamentsthey have going on. Jack and I
have a team in the top ten. I got a couple of Midstakes Circle
Las Vegas Fantasy teams that are thatare competing, so hopefully can win some
cash there too. And we willsee everybody next next week. Good luck
(46:02):
this weekend, Have a good night,
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