October 4, 2024 • 45 mins
We are 4 weeks into the NFL season and its safe to say that some things have been established.
Adam Krautwurst and Jody Smith discuss what thing s they were right about and where they went wrong.
-QB struggles-Broken offenses
-Injuries
What can we learn from the first 4 weeks??
Adam Krautwurst and Jody Smith discuss what thing s they were right about and where they went wrong.
-QB struggles-Broken offenses
-Injuries
What can we learn from the first 4 weeks??
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to the Full Time Fantasy Podcast. Please him it
by the Fantasy Football World Championship, home to the industry's
most accurate rankings.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What is up everybody? Welcome to the Full Time Fantasy Podcast.
I am your host and am Krouwurst, and with me
as always is mister full Time himself, Jody Smith. How
are you doing this evening? My friend doing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good Man off of Philip. I'm back in my groove.
It was a couple of weird, uh you know weeks
to start the season, and uh you know here in
the last couple of weeks, I finished fifteenth and eleventh
for the week at Fantasy Pro. So I feel like,
all right, I've got a little bit of the craziness
behind me and I'm back in the groove. So things
are starting round in shape. And this past week, as
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crazy as it was, was actually a good week for
all of my managed managed teams, because I don't think
I don't think Week three was all that great. I
lost a the King Classic league that I'm that I'm in.
I've scored the most points and I was two and
ohero and on the Monday night game with Washington, I
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lost by one yard. I lost one twenty three point
two to one twenty three point one. So that was
pretty pretty frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's gross, that's great. And I and you know me,
I do so many stinking leagues that every week, I
either there's a matchup or two where I win by
a point or I lose by a point. And I
never want to go and even look at like the
mistake that the starting lineup mistake that I made.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
What killed me and not when was going with the
red hot Baker Mayfield over uh San Francisco's quarterback what's
his name, brock Rock. That was the move that killed me.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, that's a lot of times it's it's it's it's
the quarterback. You know, quarterback scoring was way down this year,
and you know scoring in general in the NFL, fantasy
scoring is way down. It's even gonna get worse now
with the bye weeks on top of the injuries. What
are your like before we dig in deep here, like,
what are your today We're going to talk about you know,
where we were right, where we were wrong type of deal,
But what are your thoughts overall on the season so
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far as far as just fantasy in general.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, it's like you said, it's it's been scoring down.
You know, it's probably hard for maybe the average viewer
to really take that on consideration, but us are looking
at numbers and things behind the scenes. You know, we're
seeing this crazy thing and I'm guessing it has to
do with Adam. You know, you've been doing this long
enough where you know everything is cyclical. It just takes
you know, because back when I started, running backs dominated
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football and then after a while, defenses finally started figuring
it out. And you saw the the transition from college
offenses to the NFL and how that's been you know,
more or less about a decade now, and defensive coordinators
are starting to catch up finally, and you're seeing this
prevalence of this too high safety look, which is really
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slowing down all these deep shots and it's just really
slowing down the pace on offense. So offenses are having
to throw more underneath passes. That's why you see, like,
you know, a guy like Chris Godwin, who we all
really liked, he's really killing it this year. And you
know it can change and you know, smart offenses, you know,
even in this season, we'll hopefully start figuring things out.
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But like you said, we're about to talk about our
hits and mainly our misses and what lessons we've learned from.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So yeah, yeah, I think to your point about the
cyclical and the quarterback, because it's like everyone wants that
dual threat quarterback that can run and throw and be
super athletic. But a lot of times so now we
got the two high safety look where you've got to
be able to read a defense and pick it apart
with your arm and not your legs, and a lot
of quarterbacks aren't ready to do that, especially young rookies
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when they come in. They're used to kind of running
around in college, and now it's back to like, okay,
you've got to be able to pick the defense apart underneath.
And so, like you said, maybe it'll get back to like,
all right, well, now they're playing two high looks, cover two,
cover four, maybe the running backs will start killing. The
running backs have been doing better than the receivers so
far this season. So yeah, we'll die we'll dive into
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a little bit of that. But yeah, yeah, let's start
some spots where we were wrong so far this year. Jordian.
You know, I think we're a to point now Week four,
going into week five where we could say, Okay, some things,
you know, we're gonna talk a lot about injuries, because
injuries happen, but some things that we you know, we
we thought we were right about, that we were wrong about.
And I'll let you go ahead and fire off the
first one.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah. The thing I always talk about with people is
I like to see, uh, you know, a team play
about four games before I realized, okay, this is probably
who they're going to be, because generally that that's that's
a quarter of the season. It's a nice enough sample size.
Typically when you see a team really struggling to defend
the pass, they're going to struggle all year. And that
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works on offense and it generally works on defense. So
taking it into mine, like I said, we've reached that
point now where every team is in the four games,
so we kind of have a feel. That's why I
think it's probably okay for us to you know, look
back at some of the regrets and some of the things.
Probably the biggest miss for me will be interesting because
he hasn't been terrible, but but Patrick mahomes Uh, I
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look back at at, you know, my final rankings for
the season, and I had him as my QB one,
so obviously I elevated all supporting cast members that achieved.
I had Travis Kelcey as my tight end number one,
and it's just been bizarre to see a quarterback who
was as eleade as Patrick Mahomes. I don't know what
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the figures are, but it feels like it's been it's
well into last season. It's been ten, twelve, I don't know,
fifteen games since he's had like a really elite fantasy performance,
and that's a huge sample size. I was just talking
about how four games is generally enough, and you go
back well into the last season since we've seen one
of them dominant three hundred something plus yard, four touchdown
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games out of Mahomes. So it seems like, you know,
back in the day, he was sitting at every you know,
every two, every four games, and now now you're looking
at just another devastating blow for that team. You know,
the one thing that was missing from them last year.
And this was a team good enough to still win
the Super Bowl, but you had like no deep threat
last year, and now you thought with signing Hollywood Brown,
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bringing in Savior Worthy, that was going to open things
up and here. You know, Brown never played it down.
Worthy has still you know, has not had the look
of a kid that's ready to take on a bigger role.
Although now that Rashie Rice looks like he's looking at
a multi week absence, Worthy's gonna have to step up.
But although all, like I said, when you take those chances,
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when you're doing rankings and all that, and you're gambling
that not really gamble because most people had my homes
QB cope QB four, I just decided, I think, uh,
the inclusion of this speed element to the to the
Chiefs is going to be awesome. And I really, like
I say, at Pacheco, it's not. I won't chalk Pacheco
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off to a miss because I don't want to, you know,
put a guy that got hurt and say that we
missed on him because he was playing out of his head,
you know, amazing before you know he got injured. But uh,
the Chiefs, uh, you know, talking about my biggest miss
this year, I feel like my home so far he's
outside of QB one range right now. With the injuries
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that are now taking place for the chief it's hard
to see. You know, we keep thinking he's gonna rebound.
It's hard to see him getting back in to even
finish as a top five, top six quarterback at this point.
Maybe he sneaks into QB one range at that point.
You know, at this point, I'll take that. But it's
getting to the point now where he's not necessarily a
guy you know, uh, right now that you feel like,
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you know, he's locked in to start and by me
over ranking homes again, it's caused me to miss on
so many elements of that offense, including Kelsey. And you know,
at least there we saw a sign of life out
of Kelsey this week. It's nice, but all in all,
it's just been, you know, a really poor performance for
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their standards and uh, you know, again this is an
undefeated team still right in hurry and hopefully they do.
But uh, I feel like that's that was probably, you
my biggest miss of the preseason so far.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, I think like you said, and Kelsey, I think
Kelsey's actually good. This might help him all all of
the injuries kind of get back rolling now, and uh,
the team in the leagues I have him, and I'm
excited about how they finally started forcing it to him
there at the end because I don't think they were
going doing to do that. But again, a lot of
the injuries hurt her Homes obviously, and he hasn't had
a great season so far. And he's a guy. You know,
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when I do my start sit column, I don't really
like to talk about obvious guys. But Mahomes maybe a
guy now where I'm where I'm telling people where I'm
telling people to start him because he's you know, QB
fourteen or QB fifteen. He might be a guy that
we have to put in the Hey, you might want
to start Mahomes this week article because he is going
to be ranked pretty pretty low because he does not
have the best weapon and it's been a while since
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he's been an elite fantasy producer for sure. So Scott asks, uh,
the boss man Scott ass in the new chat kind
of going along with that, do we cut? Are we
cutting with SHEI right tonight? I'm not cutting Withhie right.
All waivers, A lot of waivers go through Tony Wednesday.
There's because we don't know if he's gonna if it's
an A C yet, and if we don't know, we're we're
holding onto him.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Generally, you would think it would have even if they're
substantial swelling, if there was a completely torn ACL, we
would have already heard that right now. It could be
a number of different things, and he may still in fact,
his season may be over. But it's a hole at
this point because maybe it's a you know, maybe it's
a you know, pcl or meniscus or something that you know,
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sprained really badly, and maybe he's only out for a
month or so, so he's still for me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, no, I agree, and the team's looking like, oh,
what do I do. Hopefully, if you have reshiet rights,
you're in really good shape. I mean, he's been a
top you know, five ten receiver, let's see, all season,
so hopefully you are in good Well, he had a
zero last week, so that that kind of killed him,
but he's still a top a top ten receiver or
a top twelve receiver with that zero. So hopefully you're
in good shape. And if he's only out for only
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if he's out for like six to eight weeks, that's
like the beginning of the fantasy playoffs. Hopefully you can
work without and there, you know, Jody, you're doing the
projection and stuff like that. We're getting off track. But
I like this where this conversations going on of the receivers.
Now they're who we're picking up, but we were picking
up anybody. Is it Juju? Is it Watson? Is it
the ghost of Sky? More like a top pick?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, from my eyes, I don't see how Justin
Watson's role changes all that much, because I don't think
if unless you're looking at fantasy numbers and projections every week,
you don't realize how much he actually plays quite a
bit and has he did last year and he has
in the first four games of this year. I don't
see how his role changed. He's mainly like their wide
receiver three, and he's mainly his job is just to
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run deep and clear things out. Every once in a
while he catches a thirty five yard pass if you're
in some sort of emergency thing where that's good enough
to you know, if you if you can, if you're
in a fourteen team league and it's a bunch of
bye weeks and you'll you're willing to be like, I'll
take four or five points this week, you know he
might fit the spot. It sounds like, interestingly for me,
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I'm more interested in picking up Noah Gray as I
think they're going to run more twelve sets. I mean,
Gray's been playing plenty anyway, but it feels like I
think last week he had three or four catches, and
I think that's probably the smartest thing to do for
Andy Reidan, for the Chiefs and Grace Unrostered in a
lot of leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Feel like he'll be the benefit the benefactor mainly and
Juju Smith Schuster. It feels like he's probably as close
as they have to roshiet Rice on the roster now.
Smith shooters Shooter is a really interesting case because I've
been I think he's this is his probably his fifteenth
pro season, yet somehow he's only twenty seven. Yeah, he's
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been around forever. Like we've seen this kid and he
was really good at first, and we've seen this guy.
It's almost like he's a fading, aging veteran, like like
a Brandon Cooks type that's on the back end of
the career and it used to be a really dependable
option and now they're not so much anymore. And he's,
like I said, he's only twenty seven, so you know,
maybe he benefits more, you know, Nicole Hardman these these
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lesser guys on the roster, I'd be interested, you know,
depending on if I'd in a deep league. And with
all the injuries, I got a bunch of ir spots
and they're all occupied. You can take some shots on
these guys, but I think really this week will be
you know, telling of how the rotation plays out from
my eyes, Yeah, the savvy movies to pick up the
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second tight end.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, that's a good point. I just texted a buddy
of mine, we do I got a million teams, you
do waivers together. I just actually texted, hey, go back
through there and look at some of the leaguer for
me to tight end and throw some bids in there.
And Noah Gregg's actually didn't didn't prioritize that.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So that and he's been involved already in this offense.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It was it week one where he was yes he outplayed. Yeah, okay,
that's the outlier, like well, not really until finally until
week four.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And per Mars says here, you know, don't forget about
the the Deantay Johnson, that the trading for a receiver.
There's the Devanta Adams, there's that. I've got so much
Deontay Johnson. My god, if he went to the Chiefs,
I would just be to the moon finally where he is.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Dalton because yeah, as long as peppered with targets the
last couple of games. So yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm finding the either way all right. One of mine here,
Jody and and I I like to you know, I'm
a I'm more of a player that I am an
analyst and an analyst so I'd like to look at
things from more of a macro You're more of a
micro guy here. And and for me, the first the
first thing where I was wrong is was was the
tight end position as a whole, uh, you know, the
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way I was drafting. I like to go and I
guess a couple into into into into one a couple
of my first two things where I was wrong into
kind of one thing. I was wrong about the tight
end position and I was wrong about the HERO zero
RB strategy. And the reason why I put those two
together is because when you go HERO or zero RB,
the way that you're really supposed to do that is
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you're supposed to take an elite tight end and or
an elite quarterback in that mix. So that you've got
you're great at receiver, you got that elite run back,
and then you get yourself an elite ten and an
elite quarterback to build it super team. Well, I was
wrong about hero zero RB, and I was wrong about
the elite about the tot end position. What's going on
in the ton end position is none of the elite
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guys are hitting right, We've got I mean, Kittle has
been okay, and the three games that he that he's
he's played, Bowers has been really good, but he wasn't
considered an elite. He wasn't going to the top three,
four or five guys generally. Kin Kaid's been a bust.
Mc bride's been a bust, Kelsey's been a bust. Laporte
has been a bust. I mean all of them. You know, uh,
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Pits you can drop, Andrews you can probably drop, but
Andrews has been a bust. Like all these guys have
been so so bad, and we've been starting weekend and
we got I mean, Andrews has two zero's already on
the season. Pits just coming off of a zero, and
a guy like Pitts is like, you know, you don't
want to not start im. You know, like, what's the
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worst thing I said, I said this on the show
maybe last week. What's the worst thing that can happen
if you don't start Pits? He goes for three for
seventy in a touchdown, Like that's the worst It's it's
not like a market. Mark Andrews could go for ten
or eleven catches in a game if they decide to
go to him. They don't never happen for Kyle Pitts.
You could feel free to drop Kyle Pitts. You might
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have one good game in the next five. You'll be fine.
But the tight end position this year has been an
absolute abomination. I mean, the top tight ends now are
Goddard Kittle, Bauer's Cole Kmet. You've got friar muth in there,
who I like a lot. I thank god, I've got
a lot of friar youth to kind of save me.
You know, zach Ertz is in the top ten. You
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know Giseki's up there. It's like it's just been crazy.
You know what year I know, I know what year
is this? Ninthe this twenty eighteen with these guys, But
I don't know, what are you seeing when you're doing
your projection for what are you see from the tight
end position? Why is it? Why is it like this?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, you know, you're trying to win accuracy contest and
all you know, fear of missing out on what you
just said was, you know, you finally bench Kyle Pitts
and he finally goes off. That's a fear that's an
all of us, you know, even me. You know, I
feel like this is the week I'm finally going to
downgrade Packrick Mahomes. This is the week I'm finally gonna
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rank Travis Kelcey as my tight end thirteen because you know,
that's what he's been averaging, that's what he's been doing.
I just can't do it anymore. I can't keep ranking
him number two. But in the back of your mind
you're worried about it, and it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But overall, this has been like just a disastrous season
for tight ends, from weird usage and real disappointment to
injuries and just flat out refusal to include guys. I mean,
you know, with Pitts, that's one of the more frustrating
ones because I've never been the biggest Pits guy. Personally,
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but you know, we thought, okay, now ding Dong which
is dead Arthur Smith's and Pittsburgh let him screw up
things for Pat Fuirmouve. But now you know, we'll have
a real coach. You'll understand how to use Kyle Pitts.
It's the same thing. Even with Bijeon, it's the same thing.
I pointed that out, like you know, here we have
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you know, granted Bijeon was dealing with a little bit
of a hamstring issue in the last game, but you know,
Tyler Algier comes in and it's going crazy again. It's
very frustrating. And you know, overall the Falcons, they've I
wrote that in my Thursday night football preview this week,
how they've kind of underachieved, and some of it's on
Kyle kirk Cousins, a lot of it's on just just
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bad luck. But I mean, I think the way that
offense is play, they're lucky to even be uh two
and two and disappoint. But I mean it goes to show.
You know, it felt like a year or two ago
Adam that tied end was becoming so they were becoming
so involved in offenses and this element of these new
kids who were coming from college as downfilled legitimate receiving
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threats and was really opening up the game. It was
almost like, you know, I believe we had plenty of
conversations with people talking about how they were looking forward
to flex and a tight end every week. So if
I can go robust tied end, I'm gonna do that. Man.
It's just been completely blown up in your face because
at this point, I'd rather be in a league where
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I'm not even forced to, you know, have that player
on my roster all together. And again, it feels like
zero RB. This was the biggest year yet for that strategy,
and it's completely backfired. I mean, at least through the
first quarter the season. No Snake just mentioned in the
chat that it's too early to call hits and misses.
Maybe maybe not, but it feels like a lot of
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zero RB teams are probably struggling right now two and two,
at best, one and three, maybe even worse.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's too late because
I think, like in a you know, a lot of
these seasons are Man, the regular season isn't this long,
like it's twelve weeks, thirteen whatever, Like it's just hard,
like you go start one in three. You really got
to fight back and all that type of stuff. Mar
mentions in the chat too, that Pitts doesn't intact the
football runs a one hundred. Like I'm not even saying
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the Pitts is good anymore because I've seen enough this
year where last year was an injury, you know, the
year before that was all the quarterback and this and that.
It's like I've seen enough this year of the Madden
view of when he plays from behind the quarterback. He's
one of these lazy clear out routes. I mean, it
is mind blowing that they can't dial up a five
yard drag route for him, Like they can't dial up
anything to get him going like whatever. And he is
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he's not a very good route runner and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
But you're still talking about Pits.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, Pitts pitch he's not good.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, I don't know if it's him, I don't know
if it's the if it's the route tree either running
he's just not gaining separation.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
He's just not It's just terrible. But back to the
Hero zero RB, I I completely agree with you there,
Like it's just been an issue. I mean, if you
think of like here are are be the issues that
we've had. I mean, even even if you hit on
the first round Maker, let's say you're here RB with Saquon,
Let's say you're here RB one was Gibbs, You're probably
still fine. Breese Hall has been okay, he's been a
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top twelve twelve back. CMC has been a disaster. Uh
and and Bjeon has been a disaster. I mean b
Jon's RB like twenty, like you know, with one with
one touchdown on the year. So it's not it's not
even the top guys because you know, the top guys
really haven't been Kyrine even even in the middle of
second round. Kyrine has been good.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
J T.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Gibbs like a lot eight chances been. It's the fact
that when you went hero zerr RB you you didn't
take any of those dead zone running backs. The Alvin,
the Alvin Kamaras, the the Aaron jones Is, the James Cooks, the.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's been that those who've been the those are the
those are the teams that are four and oh.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right now those yes, Kenneth, the Kenneth Walker who's RB
twenty and he missed two games, you know, like all
those all those guys. You weren't taking those guys when
you went hero and zero RB and those guys that
are hitting now. The reason why you went hero and
zero RB is because you want to avoid the major
injuries at always happened to the running back position. And
in that sense, we are still early. We're only four
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games in. Like I wanted to put down, you know,
Blake Korum is one of my misses, but we're still
early in the year. He's had zero points. Kyraen Williams
is still one hundred and ninety five pounds and he's
taken these thirty touches a game. Like, if he can
last thirty touches a game for the whole season, I'll
be shocked. I'll be shocked.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
So but it's a little early for Quorum. But it's
funny because I was taking little notes here and I
was going to mention it as one of my hits
because I didn't want nothing to do with Blake. Yeah,
in this offseason, I was like seven or eight spots
below consensus on him. It's because you know slow, but
you know either way, But yeah, you can't be throwing
a party necessarily for him yet. But the fact that
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he's not playing any snaps at all is pretty telling.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That is pretty that I find very interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The side of me is like, oh, you know, they're
just putting him on ice just in case. But it's like,
if he's that good, they would have put him out
there for something somewhere. But all right, Jordy, give me
another one of your one of your missus.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We can go to uh, you know, like I said, uh,
a non Kansas City missus. Let's see here, you know, Bijon,
you know another one that I already kind of hit
on a little bit. Uh. The frustrating usage has unfortunately
carried over. Let's look at receiver. You know. Again this
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comes with an asterisk because of we have an injury
to to attack over. But yeah, I had Tyree Hills
as as my wide receiver. One overall, missus a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I do want to say real quick, can I jump
in here, Jody? Yeah, to your Tyree Hill point. It's
very interesting that I've seen over the last couple of
years is people love, including myself, the zero q r
B because running backs get hurt more receivers don't get hurt.
They still get hurts hurt, but not as much, right,
But the problem that you have is receivers still do
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they'll still do get hurt, but also if their quarterback
gets hurt, they're screwed. So it's like you have a
two prong like, yeah, if the receiver gets hurt, oh
the quarterback. Look at Garrett Wilson last year, look at
Tyreek Kill this year, like all these guys, I mean,
you can go through at let me look at look
at all the receivers that are that are healthy, that
are busting a lot of those. Jaylen Waddle, I have
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so much Jayleen Wattle bust because it's because his quarterback
is it's hurt. You know, you just get all these issues.
If the quarterback goes down, you lose that to that
receiver on top of if that receiver goes down. So
it's it's just really hard to just say, hey, receivers
don't get hurt as much, so we're gonna take more
and more receivers. Well, what if his quarterback gets hurt,
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then you're then then you're in trouble. They're there too,
So I find that interesting. Go go go ahead, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Mentioned Jalen Waddle. How about Jalen Warren. We can probably
call him and miss so far. Now, granted he did
miss some time with an injury. But I looked at
the way Arthur Smith used his running backs in Atlanta,
and I thought there was going to be enough usage
and carries for both Warren and Naja Harris. And we
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saw last year Jaylen Warren was around RB twenty at
the end of the year in PPR leagues, and it
felt like people were really sleeping on him. So I was,
you know, I had him as a top eighteen, top
twenty back coming in the season, and most most people
had him down, you know, eight or ten spots below that,
and it's gonna be hard for him to come back.
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You know, perhaps when he gets up to speed here
and when he's healthy, maybe he the explosiveness that we've
seen from him in the past gets him to recover
his value a little bit. Because you know, Naja Harris
last week, just this past Sunday, had a real chance
to you know, dominate touches, you know for Pittsburgh, and
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he was getting out played by Cordero Patterson and he
did almost nothing on the ground. Uh, you know, last
week he had a couple of catches that you know,
produced something. But overall it was a really disappointing performance.
So maybe maybe it's not over for Jalen Moore. Maybe
he can come up to back up the speed in
his next game that he's he's healthy and uh, you know,
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we can see some explosiveness again. But I feel like,
all in all, that's a that's another guy that I
was a little too high on.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, last guy, last guy. I'll do that that where
we were wrong, and then we can get into some
stuff we were right. Uh, I'll bring up his name again,
Garrett Wilson. I mean I had him as a top four,
four or five receiver. Aaron Rodgers, this, that and the third,
and they just haven't been good. They haven't been the
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same on the same page. It's kind of mind blowing
to me that that that receiver as good as him
and Rogers. Rogers doesn't even look awful. It's just they
can't get get it, get on the same page. Not
doing anything creative in the offense. He's just kind of
lining up out wide, running kind of these basic you know,
these basic type of routes, and so they're just they're
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just not there, and I don't know, they don't play
in an uptep of offense. He's not gonna get a million,
and he's still you know, in that offense, he's fine
as far as like he's getting twenty five target share,
Like that isn't the issue. He's just you know, eleven targets,
six targets, nine targets, eight targets. That should be enough.
But it's five for thirty three, four for fifty seven.
You know, like he's got one touchdown on the year.
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Now he's now, I will say, he's faced San Francisco's defense,
he's faced New England's defense with their corners. Denver's defense
where there with their corners, and he's got a tough
one again this week. I don't even know. I think
like three of his next four games are again. I
think he's at Ringland again. He's got the Bills defense,
which is really good against receivers. Like his schedule the
first half of the year sucks. Like if you're in
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a league where you can buy, like wait two more
weeks and then go ahead and buy Garrett Wilson. A
lot of these high stakes leaping and stuff, there's no trading,
there's no Yeah, that's it's.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Been a murderer's row. Of yeah, back for him. And
it's pretty funny seeing people that maybe even have invested
in Garrett Wilson. It's pretty seeing, pretty funny seeing them
somehow rooting for Devonte Adams to get traded to the Jets.
Collect No, I don't think you want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To see that, right, That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's just further going to take away from targets because
there's times would you know, look at this game this
past week from the Jets couldn't get anything going. You know,
granted weather played a part of it, but you know,
all in all, that was a pretty lousy performance in
the you know, Aaron Rodgers, say what you want about him,
but you know his days of those dominant Fantasy performances
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are well into the past.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So yeah, hard to see.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
You have to see something fundamentally change quickly for that
team for Garrett Wilson to come anywhere near finish. And
it's a top ten receiver, which we all thought he was,
because you know, he was a guy that was regularly
going in first round or at least the first fourteen picks.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So well, and Jody too. He was having as good
or better year last year with the worst quarterback you've
ever seen Zach Wilson, because Wilson will just sling it
around Rogers going to double coverage.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That was when you were seeing what we're seeing out
of elite neighbors right now. You were just seeing crazy
targets here. Not not quite elite neighbors high, but you
were just seeing a ton of targets there for Wilson
that he's not getting this year. Yeah, because you know,
obviously you want to get more passes to Tyler Conklin than.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Of course. All right, let's let's talk about some stuff
we were right about here. Uh And I'm gonna go first.
A guy that I was touting, a guy that I
have everywhere. Jayden Daniels was a quarterback that I loved
coming right out of the gate. Here he has QB
two on the season. He's been unbelievable. I thought he
had Lamar esque rushing ability along with just a beautiful
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deep ball. I wasn't sure about the offense and the
coordinator or what they're going to do, but he's just
been at a historic rate. I'm happy that. I'm happy
to have him. He's a league winning type. And I
was telling people all summer, like, you know, to win
these big tournaments. Man. To win these high stakes leagues,
you got to pick these league winning type quarterbacks in
those rounds that you know, he started to creep up
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there towards the end of the summer, but you you're
able to get him most of the summer. Eighth, ninth,
you know, ninth time to eleventh, twelfth round in there.
Those are the rounds where you get your your early
career Patrick Mahomes, your early career, Josh Allen, your early career, Lamars.
Those league winners come from right at ninth tip to
eleventh round. That's where Jane Daniels was going, and that's
where I was happy to get him. And he's had
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he's had a really great year so so far.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yep, total agreement. And keep in mind he's doing this
with a pretty unimpressive supporting cast. Right in Washington, You've
got a you know, a decent time end I guess
and zach Ertz. You've got a great receiver on Terry mccorn.
But after that, you don't have a lot of talent.
A couple of good running backs obviously, and you know
Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler missed last week, but overall,
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they both played exceeded expectations. Yeah, I had. I had
Daniels as a QB one. I think most of us
people in the business, in the industry did. It's probably
only the casual listeners who were maybe missing out. But
absolutely your objective. You know, if you're trying to win,
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especially a competitive leaguers are, especially a league full of
analysts and writers and all that, you have to be
willing to take risk. You have to be willing to
take those swings. So while it might have been you know,
you might have thought, you know, I'm gonna sit back
and I'm going to take you know, my Kirk Cousins
or Trevor Lawrence or my Jared Golf. I'm gonna sit
back and just let the value follow my lap. No,
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you're better off moving up taking some swings on these rookies,
you know, around or two above their their ADP. Now
it doesn't always hit because we'll segue right into where
I feel like, you know, somebody that I was right on,
and I was that I was lower on Caleb Williams.
I worried about, you know, the offensive and you know
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why it felt like the Bears should have started with
a new coach because you're bringing in this coach that
was already kind of on a hot seat. It kind
of underwhelmed and you're you're completely bringing in a whole
new quarterback and it feels like being set up for failure.
Uh there. And I loved the weapons that they brought
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into support Caleb Williams, but you know, it hasn't worked out.
He hasn't been terrible, but you know, I feel like
he's a guy I don't want anything to do with.
Kirk Cousins, another guy that I was like three or
four spots lower than average on Dak Prescott. This is
me just talking the quarterbacks that I feel like I
was lower than average on these guys, and so far
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accord to wait through the season. I feel like I've
been right with with those guys. Now. I didn't expect,
you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes to fall off as much
as he has, but these were the guys. Like I
said that, I normally like to sit back and take
those values. But yeah, for sure, Jaden Daniels is a
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great example of why that's fine to do that, depending
on your league, but yeah, take those screen.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Jody's on pace for almost two hundred carries. I mean
it's been nanas he could, he could break. I don't
know if he can hold that. But you know us
that with.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Cliff Kingsbury. You know he coached a what QB sixth
season out of Kyler Murray's a rookie. So you're talking
about you know, Jade and Daniels, if anything, was a
more accomplished thrower at college. But when it came to
the Grambling ability, it was pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, all right, another one where I was right. I
was right on mylik. Neighbors was getting him in a
lot of spots. I mean, he's wide receiver one.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right now, our breakout player of the year.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's right, that's right, excellent. I just thought, I mean
everyone knew leagu Neighbors was good, but it was just
do you trust the fact? Like, how bad do you
think Daniel Joe? I ever thought Dan Jones was as
bad as people thought. And I know Brian Dables smart
because he was in Buffalo, So just trusted. Hey, listen,
I didn't know. I wasn't expecting wide receiver one and
he probably he's hitting the targets, but he probably won't
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finish wide receiver one. But I thought where you were
able to get him even in the mid second round,
I think was fine into the third some early on.
I was able to get him in the fourth round.
So a lot of my best teams having elite neighbors
on it, I just trusted, you know, Dable to be
smart and Daniel Jones to be good enough to get
mylik neighbors to ball. So and he had never had
a really good re even a decent receiver there in
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New York. So I was I was alright with that.
And then another one for me a little bit more,
you know, questionable, was Stefan Diggs had I have. He's
probably one of my highest owned, if not my highest
owned receiver. I was getting him consistently. At the three
four turn. I had to stop taking him because I'm like,
I don't want fifty percent digs in case he gets
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hurt or whatever. But it was just a situation where
I just thought Diggs is good. They're going to throw
the ball a lot with a really good quarterback. So
and I wasn't I wasn't so sure. Now I was.
I was wrong on Nico because I just didn't know,
you know, how much they were gonna love Nico with
all the weapons and that they had there, could Nico
get his I was like, maybe Diggs could be the
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wide receiver one in Houston. I was wrong about that,
But he's been good enough. I mean, he's got three
touchdowns already this year. He's been good enough to him.
He's wide receiver nine. And now, you know, and so
if he can stay in the mid if he could
be a top fifteen receiver, I think you stole him
and I think he certainly could stay in the top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned Nico, and I'll segue that
right into me. That's one of my biggest misses because
of the presence of a surging tank now and Stefan Diggs.
I was concerned about, you know, target share. So you know,
I think I had Nico as my wide receiver eighteen
or nineteen range. And right now he's got to be
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the odds on favorite to finish the season as wide
receiver number one, right. Yeah, he's going to be right
out there with Ceedee Lamb at this point. And I
think he is a wide receiver one right now.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So he's wide receiver two. Look right, like a half
a point behind Milik then neighbors.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, I expect Neighbors is going to miss this week,
so hole slide into there. So yeah, I would, I
would begrudgingly call, you know, Nico, you know a miss.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't think it was egregious. I was four or
five spots below you know, ECR on him, So some receivers,
I feel like that I was probably right on Brandon Ayuk.
I told any person that would listen and any show
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that I was on, that there's no way he's replicating
those efficiency numbers that he put up. And unless he
got a huge surge and targets target share, uh, he
was going to drop off. And you know, right on schedule.
That's exactly what we're seeing. Uh uh brock Perty he's
not throwing you it's only it's only the quarterway through
the season. But we're seeing a kind of a dip
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and a touchdown personage for him. And so that's it's
made Brandon Aiyuk almost invisible. Michael Pittman, you know another
guy that I was lower than than e. C r On,
I mean pretty significantly lower. I had him outside of
my top thirty I think, and uh, you know, he
hasn't done much. I'm looking through uh scrolling there, Keon Koleman,
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these are guys. I was like, how about andre Yoshibas,
So I was like twelve spots ahead of ECR on
him once we learned, of course, I like Jermaine Burton.
That was the guy all number I was talking up
and drafting so much. But it became pretty obvious in
the second week of the preseason that he was well
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behind Yoshivas as the wide receiver three. So I had to,
you know, make it about face and start throwing out
a lot of draft picks on him. So he's been,
you know, serviceable. It's not a guy you know, hopefully
you're starting too much.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But right, yeah, Brendon and Ayuke's pretty amazing. He's right.
I was here fifty nine and he's been there and
everyone's been hurt and somehow he can't. I mean, he's
got twenty nine points.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Juan Jenny, that's another thing, Adam. It's a great point.
With everyone as high on Iyuk as they were, if
you had a known, oh, by the way, Christian McCaffrey
and he's going to play half the season, or if
he's even gonna play it all, you'd be thinking, oh, man,
you'd be seeing rocket emojis and fiery emojis and everything.
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People would be putting Ayuk as their top five and
all that, and that's where I was like, I don't
know about that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Something's going on there for sure. Yeah, that's pretty pretty interesting,
all right. Last one for me, and I know we
talked about this before the show and it's not necessarily
there in the fantasy points yacht or whatever, but to
devn eighth man, so I have him as a slight
hit two four six eight. He's RB ten. You were
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getting him around RB eight or nine, seven or eight
somewhere in there in the third and the third round
kind of anytime you wanted him, and you know, part
of that was his explosiveness. I mean the fact that
he's RB ten and he hasn't had two up for
three games. I think it's pretty impressive. He's getting all
the touches all over. He most hurts hurt. Well, yeah,
the bet was on thirty three year old where he
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most shirts getting hurt, like of course, and he's he'll
probably be back this week and he may or may
not get hurt again being thirty, you know, So I
still see the process and that as being a win.
And I think too it will be back eventually in
a couple in a couple of weeks and then a
Chan can kind of kick off again. So he hasn't
really been killing you. Like I said, he's RB ten
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and I think if you got him, I mean, he's finished,
and he's ahead of Breech Hall. He's had a bijean,
He's had a lot of these guys that were even
going ahead of him still, So I still like the
processing that I'm not dropping the jail and rights either.
I'm not dropping all those guys because again, once Tua
gets back, if he can stay healthy, I think the
whole off I mean too, is two of the MVP
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of the NFL. I mean that that Dolphins team is
without him.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, I mean you're looking at and when it comes
to the word valuable, yes, you'd have to at this
point see that because the it's just been such a
drastic and dramatic decline. Like whoever they've put up, whatever
Ham and Egger they've got under center over there, it
doesn't seem to matter. And uh, it's really interesting about
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h Chan because I kind of finally started to come
around for him. I don't know, if Adam you will remember,
but we were having a you know, a staff debates
a little bit back and forth, and I was the
one pushing for him being our of the year. Now
had I've really am proud of what we ultimately did
choose in as a fade. I'm really proud of the
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ride up that I did on him and the issues
I discussed with him. But what's crazy is everything in
his first quarter of season has played out for him
to be this massive, superstar running back, and we kind
of only saw that in week two a little bit
like most start's been hurt. You know, he's getting for
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the most part, he's getting a lot more touches and opportunities.
But yet three of us four games he's been under
three yards for Carrie and a lot of that has
to do, obviously with the quarterback not being there. But
it feels like he bottomed out last week. You're talking
about a very respectable Tennessee Titans defense, but a ten
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carries for fifteen yards. You know, it was an embarrassment
of watching that offense on TV. Hopefully things can open
up maybe another week with with Huntley looking respectable, or
you know, maybe we need a Raheem moster back under
I mean back in the backfield with him to take
off to you know, take some of the coverage off.
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But all in all, you know, it's really interesting because
I started to come around towards the end, you know,
in August on h N so you can even see
in some of my f F w C drafts I
actually was started taking him and well, I'm not unhappy
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with those teams. You know, we're still waiting for that
explosiveness and I feel like, man if Tua is not
ready to come back and you know, two more weeks
whenever he's first able to, it's really concerning because at
that point can a chan with Tua Canny, can he
recover and you know, get back to where were drafted him?
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And you know, the main point for me with with
why I was fading because I felt like people were
drafting him at or above his possible ceiling because I
just never thought he could develop into a consistent twenty
touch guy.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And leg workhorse back. Yeah no, And That's where I'm
kind of taking to win. There is that he has
then and it's and then you can do this for
every running back, but I'm looking he has sixty seven
Fantasy points. He's RB like I said ten, I think,
I mean he got he gets tackled at the one
and then get stuffed in the next place. If I think,
I think he got in on the next carry. But
it's one of those where they rest can't see and
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they mark him down to the half yard line. If
they give him that touchdown, he's RB six like it's
you know, so I feel like he I feel like
like like you said, he hasn't been he hasn't had
the efficiency because the offensive line has been hurt and
it stinks and two is not there. But I think
you know, they they've they've shown that they trust him,
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and when Tua comes back in a couple of weeks,
I think, you know, you don't want to peak right now.
You rather if is gonna be hurt, You want him
hurt now. You don't want them hurting the fantasy playoffs.
So hopefully he'll Tua can stay healthy for the rest
of the year and h ink and get smashed for
you and for the rest of us at the end
of the year. But but yeah, dude, so I think
it's a pretty good, pretty good list of stuff we're
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right and wrong. About you know, good luck everybody this
week doing your doing your waiver wire stuff. And I
know the waivers got to be in tonight for the
f f w C at eleven pm, So make sure
you guys are working on that. Anything else, Jody, that
you're that you're writing just the usual articles week to
week here.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yep, UH Thursday Thursday preview. UH just published a you
know a few hours ago, and then tomorrow is the
massive UH projections and the rankings update, the ghost live
and we should have should have Matt's NFL player.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Prompts for you perfect, you know that'd be good. Then
my start it will come out on Friday, I think,
and we'll dig into those. It's a lot, you know,
a lot harder now with UH, or maybe a lot
easier now with UH.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You can include my homes as as a possible.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Hey, better be careful when people getting mad at.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You with so many bye weeks and injuries. It's almost
like you start whoever's healthy, you know what I mean. So,
but we'll we'll dig into that for everybody. But but
all right, hey, everyone, thanks for joining us tonight. Thanks
for all the comments and chat. Like subscribe to all
that great stuff on on YouTube and all that.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
We will, uh, we'll.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We'll catch you next week. See you guys,
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
What is up everybody? Welcome to the Full Time Fantasy Podcast.
I am your host and am Krouwurst, and with me
as always is mister full Time himself, Jody Smith. How
are you doing this evening? My friend doing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good Man off of Philip. I'm back in my groove.
It was a couple of weird, uh you know weeks
to start the season, and uh you know here in
the last couple of weeks, I finished fifteenth and eleventh
for the week at Fantasy Pro. So I feel like,
all right, I've got a little bit of the craziness
behind me and I'm back in the groove. So things
are starting round in shape. And this past week, as
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crazy as it was, was actually a good week for
all of my managed managed teams, because I don't think
I don't think Week three was all that great. I
lost a the King Classic league that I'm that I'm in.
I've scored the most points and I was two and
ohero and on the Monday night game with Washington, I
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lost by one yard. I lost one twenty three point
two to one twenty three point one. So that was
pretty pretty frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's gross, that's great. And I and you know me,
I do so many stinking leagues that every week, I
either there's a matchup or two where I win by
a point or I lose by a point. And I
never want to go and even look at like the
mistake that the starting lineup mistake that I made.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
What killed me and not when was going with the
red hot Baker Mayfield over uh San Francisco's quarterback what's
his name, brock Rock. That was the move that killed me.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, that's a lot of times it's it's it's it's
the quarterback. You know, quarterback scoring was way down this year,
and you know scoring in general in the NFL, fantasy
scoring is way down. It's even gonna get worse now
with the bye weeks on top of the injuries. What
are your like before we dig in deep here, like,
what are your today We're going to talk about you know,
where we were right, where we were wrong type of deal,
But what are your thoughts overall on the season so
(02:42):
far as far as just fantasy in general.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, it's like you said, it's it's been scoring down.
You know, it's probably hard for maybe the average viewer
to really take that on consideration, but us are looking
at numbers and things behind the scenes. You know, we're
seeing this crazy thing and I'm guessing it has to
do with Adam. You know, you've been doing this long
enough where you know everything is cyclical. It just takes
you know, because back when I started, running backs dominated
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football and then after a while, defenses finally started figuring
it out. And you saw the the transition from college
offenses to the NFL and how that's been you know,
more or less about a decade now, and defensive coordinators
are starting to catch up finally, and you're seeing this
prevalence of this too high safety look, which is really
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slowing down all these deep shots and it's just really
slowing down the pace on offense. So offenses are having
to throw more underneath passes. That's why you see, like,
you know, a guy like Chris Godwin, who we all
really liked, he's really killing it this year. And you
know it can change and you know, smart offenses, you know,
even in this season, we'll hopefully start figuring things out.
(03:52):
But like you said, we're about to talk about our
hits and mainly our misses and what lessons we've learned from.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So yeah, yeah, I think to your point about the
cyclical and the quarterback, because it's like everyone wants that
dual threat quarterback that can run and throw and be
super athletic. But a lot of times so now we
got the two high safety look where you've got to
be able to read a defense and pick it apart
with your arm and not your legs, and a lot
of quarterbacks aren't ready to do that, especially young rookies
(04:22):
when they come in. They're used to kind of running
around in college, and now it's back to like, okay,
you've got to be able to pick the defense apart underneath.
And so, like you said, maybe it'll get back to like,
all right, well, now they're playing two high looks, cover two,
cover four, maybe the running backs will start killing. The
running backs have been doing better than the receivers so
far this season. So yeah, we'll die we'll dive into
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a little bit of that. But yeah, yeah, let's start
some spots where we were wrong so far this year. Jordian.
You know, I think we're a to point now Week four,
going into week five where we could say, Okay, some things,
you know, we're gonna talk a lot about injuries, because
injuries happen, but some things that we you know, we
we thought we were right about, that we were wrong about.
And I'll let you go ahead and fire off the
first one.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah. The thing I always talk about with people is
I like to see, uh, you know, a team play
about four games before I realized, okay, this is probably
who they're going to be, because generally that that's that's
a quarter of the season. It's a nice enough sample size.
Typically when you see a team really struggling to defend
the pass, they're going to struggle all year. And that
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works on offense and it generally works on defense. So
taking it into mine, like I said, we've reached that
point now where every team is in the four games,
so we kind of have a feel. That's why I
think it's probably okay for us to you know, look
back at some of the regrets and some of the things.
Probably the biggest miss for me will be interesting because
he hasn't been terrible, but but Patrick mahomes Uh, I
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look back at at, you know, my final rankings for
the season, and I had him as my QB one,
so obviously I elevated all supporting cast members that achieved.
I had Travis Kelcey as my tight end number one,
and it's just been bizarre to see a quarterback who
was as eleade as Patrick Mahomes. I don't know what
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the figures are, but it feels like it's been it's
well into last season. It's been ten, twelve, I don't know,
fifteen games since he's had like a really elite fantasy performance,
and that's a huge sample size. I was just talking
about how four games is generally enough, and you go
back well into the last season since we've seen one
of them dominant three hundred something plus yard, four touchdown
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games out of Mahomes. So it seems like, you know,
back in the day, he was sitting at every you know,
every two, every four games, and now now you're looking
at just another devastating blow for that team. You know,
the one thing that was missing from them last year.
And this was a team good enough to still win
the Super Bowl, but you had like no deep threat
last year, and now you thought with signing Hollywood Brown,
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bringing in Savior Worthy, that was going to open things
up and here. You know, Brown never played it down.
Worthy has still you know, has not had the look
of a kid that's ready to take on a bigger role.
Although now that Rashie Rice looks like he's looking at
a multi week absence, Worthy's gonna have to step up.
But although all, like I said, when you take those chances,
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when you're doing rankings and all that, and you're gambling
that not really gamble because most people had my homes
QB cope QB four, I just decided, I think, uh,
the inclusion of this speed element to the to the
Chiefs is going to be awesome. And I really, like
I say, at Pacheco, it's not. I won't chalk Pacheco
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off to a miss because I don't want to, you know,
put a guy that got hurt and say that we
missed on him because he was playing out of his head,
you know, amazing before you know he got injured. But uh,
the Chiefs, uh, you know, talking about my biggest miss
this year, I feel like my home so far he's
outside of QB one range right now. With the injuries
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that are now taking place for the chief it's hard
to see. You know, we keep thinking he's gonna rebound.
It's hard to see him getting back in to even
finish as a top five, top six quarterback at this point.
Maybe he sneaks into QB one range at that point.
You know, at this point, I'll take that. But it's
getting to the point now where he's not necessarily a
guy you know, uh, right now that you feel like,
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you know, he's locked in to start and by me
over ranking homes again, it's caused me to miss on
so many elements of that offense, including Kelsey. And you know,
at least there we saw a sign of life out
of Kelsey this week. It's nice, but all in all,
it's just been, you know, a really poor performance for
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their standards and uh, you know, again this is an
undefeated team still right in hurry and hopefully they do.
But uh, I feel like that's that was probably, you
my biggest miss of the preseason so far.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, I think like you said, and Kelsey, I think
Kelsey's actually good. This might help him all all of
the injuries kind of get back rolling now, and uh,
the team in the leagues I have him, and I'm
excited about how they finally started forcing it to him
there at the end because I don't think they were
going doing to do that. But again, a lot of
the injuries hurt her Homes obviously, and he hasn't had
a great season so far. And he's a guy. You know,
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when I do my start sit column, I don't really
like to talk about obvious guys. But Mahomes maybe a
guy now where I'm where I'm telling people where I'm
telling people to start him because he's you know, QB
fourteen or QB fifteen. He might be a guy that
we have to put in the Hey, you might want
to start Mahomes this week article because he is going
to be ranked pretty pretty low because he does not
have the best weapon and it's been a while since
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he's been an elite fantasy producer for sure. So Scott asks, uh,
the boss man Scott ass in the new chat kind
of going along with that, do we cut? Are we
cutting with SHEI right tonight? I'm not cutting Withhie right.
All waivers, A lot of waivers go through Tony Wednesday.
There's because we don't know if he's gonna if it's
an A C yet, and if we don't know, we're we're
holding onto him.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Generally, you would think it would have even if they're
substantial swelling, if there was a completely torn ACL, we
would have already heard that right now. It could be
a number of different things, and he may still in fact,
his season may be over. But it's a hole at
this point because maybe it's a you know, maybe it's
a you know, pcl or meniscus or something that you know,
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sprained really badly, and maybe he's only out for a
month or so, so he's still for me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, no, I agree, and the team's looking like, oh,
what do I do. Hopefully, if you have reshiet rights,
you're in really good shape. I mean, he's been a
top you know, five ten receiver, let's see, all season,
so hopefully you are in good Well, he had a
zero last week, so that that kind of killed him,
but he's still a top a top ten receiver or
a top twelve receiver with that zero. So hopefully you're
in good shape. And if he's only out for only
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if he's out for like six to eight weeks, that's
like the beginning of the fantasy playoffs. Hopefully you can
work without and there, you know, Jody, you're doing the
projection and stuff like that. We're getting off track. But
I like this where this conversations going on of the receivers.
Now they're who we're picking up, but we were picking
up anybody. Is it Juju? Is it Watson? Is it
the ghost of Sky? More like a top pick?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, from my eyes, I don't see how Justin
Watson's role changes all that much, because I don't think
if unless you're looking at fantasy numbers and projections every week,
you don't realize how much he actually plays quite a
bit and has he did last year and he has
in the first four games of this year. I don't
see how his role changed. He's mainly like their wide
receiver three, and he's mainly his job is just to
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run deep and clear things out. Every once in a
while he catches a thirty five yard pass if you're
in some sort of emergency thing where that's good enough
to you know, if you if you can, if you're
in a fourteen team league and it's a bunch of
bye weeks and you'll you're willing to be like, I'll
take four or five points this week, you know he
might fit the spot. It sounds like, interestingly for me,
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I'm more interested in picking up Noah Gray as I
think they're going to run more twelve sets. I mean,
Gray's been playing plenty anyway, but it feels like I
think last week he had three or four catches, and
I think that's probably the smartest thing to do for
Andy Reidan, for the Chiefs and Grace Unrostered in a
lot of leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Feel like he'll be the benefit the benefactor mainly and
Juju Smith Schuster. It feels like he's probably as close
as they have to roshiet Rice on the roster now.
Smith shooters Shooter is a really interesting case because I've
been I think he's this is his probably his fifteenth
pro season, yet somehow he's only twenty seven. Yeah, he's
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been around forever. Like we've seen this kid and he
was really good at first, and we've seen this guy.
It's almost like he's a fading, aging veteran, like like
a Brandon Cooks type that's on the back end of
the career and it used to be a really dependable
option and now they're not so much anymore. And he's,
like I said, he's only twenty seven, so you know,
maybe he benefits more, you know, Nicole Hardman these these
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lesser guys on the roster, I'd be interested, you know,
depending on if I'd in a deep league. And with
all the injuries, I got a bunch of ir spots
and they're all occupied. You can take some shots on
these guys, but I think really this week will be
you know, telling of how the rotation plays out from
my eyes, Yeah, the savvy movies to pick up the
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second tight end.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, that's a good point. I just texted a buddy
of mine, we do I got a million teams, you
do waivers together. I just actually texted, hey, go back
through there and look at some of the leaguer for
me to tight end and throw some bids in there.
And Noah Gregg's actually didn't didn't prioritize that.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So that and he's been involved already in this offense.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It was it week one where he was yes he outplayed. Yeah, okay,
that's the outlier, like well, not really until finally until
week four.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And per Mars says here, you know, don't forget about
the the Deantay Johnson, that the trading for a receiver.
There's the Devanta Adams, there's that. I've got so much
Deontay Johnson. My god, if he went to the Chiefs,
I would just be to the moon finally where he is.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Dalton because yeah, as long as peppered with targets the
last couple of games. So yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm finding the either way all right. One of mine here,
Jody and and I I like to you know, I'm
a I'm more of a player that I am an
analyst and an analyst so I'd like to look at
things from more of a macro You're more of a
micro guy here. And and for me, the first the
first thing where I was wrong is was was the
tight end position as a whole, uh, you know, the
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way I was drafting. I like to go and I
guess a couple into into into into one a couple
of my first two things where I was wrong into
kind of one thing. I was wrong about the tight
end position and I was wrong about the HERO zero
RB strategy. And the reason why I put those two
together is because when you go HERO or zero RB,
the way that you're really supposed to do that is
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you're supposed to take an elite tight end and or
an elite quarterback in that mix. So that you've got
you're great at receiver, you got that elite run back,
and then you get yourself an elite ten and an
elite quarterback to build it super team. Well, I was
wrong about hero zero RB, and I was wrong about
the elite about the tot end position. What's going on
in the ton end position is none of the elite
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guys are hitting right, We've got I mean, Kittle has
been okay, and the three games that he that he's
he's played, Bowers has been really good, but he wasn't
considered an elite. He wasn't going to the top three,
four or five guys generally. Kin Kaid's been a bust.
Mc bride's been a bust, Kelsey's been a bust. Laporte
has been a bust. I mean all of them. You know, uh,
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Pits you can drop, Andrews you can probably drop, but
Andrews has been a bust. Like all these guys have
been so so bad, and we've been starting weekend and
we got I mean, Andrews has two zero's already on
the season. Pits just coming off of a zero, and
a guy like Pitts is like, you know, you don't
want to not start im. You know, like, what's the
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worst thing I said, I said this on the show
maybe last week. What's the worst thing that can happen
if you don't start Pits? He goes for three for
seventy in a touchdown, Like that's the worst It's it's
not like a market. Mark Andrews could go for ten
or eleven catches in a game if they decide to
go to him. They don't never happen for Kyle Pitts.
You could feel free to drop Kyle Pitts. You might
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have one good game in the next five. You'll be fine.
But the tight end position this year has been an
absolute abomination. I mean, the top tight ends now are
Goddard Kittle, Bauer's Cole Kmet. You've got friar muth in there,
who I like a lot. I thank god, I've got
a lot of friar youth to kind of save me.
You know, zach Ertz is in the top ten. You
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know Giseki's up there. It's like it's just been crazy.
You know what year I know, I know what year
is this? Ninthe this twenty eighteen with these guys, But
I don't know, what are you seeing when you're doing
your projection for what are you see from the tight
end position? Why is it? Why is it like this?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, you know, you're trying to win accuracy contest and
all you know, fear of missing out on what you
just said was, you know, you finally bench Kyle Pitts
and he finally goes off. That's a fear that's an
all of us, you know, even me. You know, I
feel like this is the week I'm finally going to
downgrade Packrick Mahomes. This is the week I'm finally gonna
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rank Travis Kelcey as my tight end thirteen because you know,
that's what he's been averaging, that's what he's been doing.
I just can't do it anymore. I can't keep ranking
him number two. But in the back of your mind
you're worried about it, and it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But overall, this has been like just a disastrous season
for tight ends, from weird usage and real disappointment to
injuries and just flat out refusal to include guys. I mean,
you know, with Pitts, that's one of the more frustrating
ones because I've never been the biggest Pits guy. Personally,
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but you know, we thought, okay, now ding Dong which
is dead Arthur Smith's and Pittsburgh let him screw up
things for Pat Fuirmouve. But now you know, we'll have
a real coach. You'll understand how to use Kyle Pitts.
It's the same thing. Even with Bijeon, it's the same thing.
I pointed that out, like you know, here we have
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you know, granted Bijeon was dealing with a little bit
of a hamstring issue in the last game, but you know,
Tyler Algier comes in and it's going crazy again. It's
very frustrating. And you know, overall the Falcons, they've I
wrote that in my Thursday night football preview this week,
how they've kind of underachieved, and some of it's on
Kyle kirk Cousins, a lot of it's on just just
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bad luck. But I mean, I think the way that
offense is play, they're lucky to even be uh two
and two and disappoint. But I mean it goes to show.
You know, it felt like a year or two ago
Adam that tied end was becoming so they were becoming
so involved in offenses and this element of these new
kids who were coming from college as downfilled legitimate receiving
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threats and was really opening up the game. It was
almost like, you know, I believe we had plenty of
conversations with people talking about how they were looking forward
to flex and a tight end every week. So if
I can go robust tied end, I'm gonna do that. Man.
It's just been completely blown up in your face because
at this point, I'd rather be in a league where
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I'm not even forced to, you know, have that player
on my roster all together. And again, it feels like
zero RB. This was the biggest year yet for that strategy,
and it's completely backfired. I mean, at least through the
first quarter the season. No Snake just mentioned in the
chat that it's too early to call hits and misses.
Maybe maybe not, but it feels like a lot of
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zero RB teams are probably struggling right now two and two,
at best, one and three, maybe even worse.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's too late because
I think, like in a you know, a lot of
these seasons are Man, the regular season isn't this long,
like it's twelve weeks, thirteen whatever, Like it's just hard,
like you go start one in three. You really got
to fight back and all that type of stuff. Mar
mentions in the chat too, that Pitts doesn't intact the
football runs a one hundred. Like I'm not even saying
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the Pitts is good anymore because I've seen enough this
year where last year was an injury, you know, the
year before that was all the quarterback and this and that.
It's like I've seen enough this year of the Madden
view of when he plays from behind the quarterback. He's
one of these lazy clear out routes. I mean, it
is mind blowing that they can't dial up a five
yard drag route for him, Like they can't dial up
anything to get him going like whatever. And he is
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he's not a very good route runner and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
But you're still talking about Pits.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, Pitts pitch he's not good.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, I don't know if it's him, I don't know
if it's the if it's the route tree either running
he's just not gaining separation.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
He's just not It's just terrible. But back to the
Hero zero RB, I I completely agree with you there,
Like it's just been an issue. I mean, if you
think of like here are are be the issues that
we've had. I mean, even even if you hit on
the first round Maker, let's say you're here RB with Saquon,
Let's say you're here RB one was Gibbs, You're probably
still fine. Breese Hall has been okay, he's been a
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top twelve twelve back. CMC has been a disaster. Uh
and and Bjeon has been a disaster. I mean b
Jon's RB like twenty, like you know, with one with
one touchdown on the year. So it's not it's not
even the top guys because you know, the top guys
really haven't been Kyrine even even in the middle of
second round. Kyrine has been good.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
J T.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Gibbs like a lot eight chances been. It's the fact
that when you went hero zerr RB you you didn't
take any of those dead zone running backs. The Alvin,
the Alvin Kamaras, the the Aaron jones Is, the James Cooks, the.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's been that those who've been the those are the
those are the teams that are four and oh.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right now those yes, Kenneth, the Kenneth Walker who's RB
twenty and he missed two games, you know, like all
those all those guys. You weren't taking those guys when
you went hero and zero RB and those guys that
are hitting now. The reason why you went hero and
zero RB is because you want to avoid the major
injuries at always happened to the running back position. And
in that sense, we are still early. We're only four
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games in. Like I wanted to put down, you know,
Blake Korum is one of my misses, but we're still
early in the year. He's had zero points. Kyraen Williams
is still one hundred and ninety five pounds and he's
taken these thirty touches a game. Like, if he can
last thirty touches a game for the whole season, I'll
be shocked. I'll be shocked.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
So but it's a little early for Quorum. But it's
funny because I was taking little notes here and I
was going to mention it as one of my hits
because I didn't want nothing to do with Blake. Yeah,
in this offseason, I was like seven or eight spots
below consensus on him. It's because you know slow, but
you know either way, But yeah, you can't be throwing
a party necessarily for him yet. But the fact that
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he's not playing any snaps at all is pretty telling.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That is pretty that I find very interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The side of me is like, oh, you know, they're
just putting him on ice just in case. But it's like,
if he's that good, they would have put him out
there for something somewhere. But all right, Jordy, give me
another one of your one of your missus.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We can go to uh, you know, like I said, uh,
a non Kansas City missus. Let's see here, you know, Bijon,
you know another one that I already kind of hit
on a little bit. Uh. The frustrating usage has unfortunately
carried over. Let's look at receiver. You know. Again this
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comes with an asterisk because of we have an injury
to to attack over. But yeah, I had Tyree Hills
as as my wide receiver. One overall, missus a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I do want to say real quick, can I jump
in here, Jody? Yeah, to your Tyree Hill point. It's
very interesting that I've seen over the last couple of
years is people love, including myself, the zero q r
B because running backs get hurt more receivers don't get hurt.
They still get hurts hurt, but not as much, right,
But the problem that you have is receivers still do
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they'll still do get hurt, but also if their quarterback
gets hurt, they're screwed. So it's like you have a
two prong like, yeah, if the receiver gets hurt, oh
the quarterback. Look at Garrett Wilson last year, look at
Tyreek Kill this year, like all these guys, I mean,
you can go through at let me look at look
at all the receivers that are that are healthy, that
are busting a lot of those. Jaylen Waddle, I have
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so much Jayleen Wattle bust because it's because his quarterback
is it's hurt. You know, you just get all these issues.
If the quarterback goes down, you lose that to that
receiver on top of if that receiver goes down. So
it's it's just really hard to just say, hey, receivers
don't get hurt as much, so we're gonna take more
and more receivers. Well, what if his quarterback gets hurt,
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then you're then then you're in trouble. They're there too,
So I find that interesting. Go go go ahead, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Mentioned Jalen Waddle. How about Jalen Warren. We can probably
call him and miss so far. Now, granted he did
miss some time with an injury. But I looked at
the way Arthur Smith used his running backs in Atlanta,
and I thought there was going to be enough usage
and carries for both Warren and Naja Harris. And we
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saw last year Jaylen Warren was around RB twenty at
the end of the year in PPR leagues, and it
felt like people were really sleeping on him. So I was,
you know, I had him as a top eighteen, top
twenty back coming in the season, and most most people
had him down, you know, eight or ten spots below that,
and it's gonna be hard for him to come back.
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You know, perhaps when he gets up to speed here
and when he's healthy, maybe he the explosiveness that we've
seen from him in the past gets him to recover
his value a little bit. Because you know, Naja Harris
last week, just this past Sunday, had a real chance
to you know, dominate touches, you know for Pittsburgh, and
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he was getting out played by Cordero Patterson and he
did almost nothing on the ground. Uh, you know, last
week he had a couple of catches that you know,
produced something. But overall it was a really disappointing performance.
So maybe maybe it's not over for Jalen Moore. Maybe
he can come up to back up the speed in
his next game that he's he's healthy and uh, you know,
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we can see some explosiveness again. But I feel like,
all in all, that's a that's another guy that I
was a little too high on.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, last guy, last guy. I'll do that that where
we were wrong, and then we can get into some
stuff we were right. Uh, I'll bring up his name again,
Garrett Wilson. I mean I had him as a top four,
four or five receiver. Aaron Rodgers, this, that and the third,
and they just haven't been good. They haven't been the
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same on the same page. It's kind of mind blowing
to me that that that receiver as good as him
and Rogers. Rogers doesn't even look awful. It's just they
can't get get it, get on the same page. Not
doing anything creative in the offense. He's just kind of
lining up out wide, running kind of these basic you know,
these basic type of routes, and so they're just they're
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just not there, and I don't know, they don't play
in an uptep of offense. He's not gonna get a million,
and he's still you know, in that offense, he's fine
as far as like he's getting twenty five target share,
Like that isn't the issue. He's just you know, eleven targets,
six targets, nine targets, eight targets. That should be enough.
But it's five for thirty three, four for fifty seven.
You know, like he's got one touchdown on the year.
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Now he's now, I will say, he's faced San Francisco's defense,
he's faced New England's defense with their corners. Denver's defense
where there with their corners, and he's got a tough
one again this week. I don't even know. I think
like three of his next four games are again. I
think he's at Ringland again. He's got the Bills defense,
which is really good against receivers. Like his schedule the
first half of the year sucks. Like if you're in
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a league where you can buy, like wait two more
weeks and then go ahead and buy Garrett Wilson. A
lot of these high stakes leaping and stuff, there's no trading,
there's no Yeah, that's it's.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Been a murderer's row. Of yeah, back for him. And
it's pretty funny seeing people that maybe even have invested
in Garrett Wilson. It's pretty seeing, pretty funny seeing them
somehow rooting for Devonte Adams to get traded to the Jets.
Collect No, I don't think you want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To see that, right, That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's just further going to take away from targets because
there's times would you know, look at this game this
past week from the Jets couldn't get anything going. You know,
granted weather played a part of it, but you know,
all in all, that was a pretty lousy performance in
the you know, Aaron Rodgers, say what you want about him,
but you know his days of those dominant Fantasy performances
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are well into the past.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So yeah, hard to see.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
You have to see something fundamentally change quickly for that
team for Garrett Wilson to come anywhere near finish. And
it's a top ten receiver, which we all thought he was,
because you know, he was a guy that was regularly
going in first round or at least the first fourteen picks.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So well, and Jody too. He was having as good
or better year last year with the worst quarterback you've
ever seen Zach Wilson, because Wilson will just sling it
around Rogers going to double coverage.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That was when you were seeing what we're seeing out
of elite neighbors right now. You were just seeing crazy
targets here. Not not quite elite neighbors high, but you
were just seeing a ton of targets there for Wilson
that he's not getting this year. Yeah, because you know,
obviously you want to get more passes to Tyler Conklin than.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Of course. All right, let's let's talk about some stuff
we were right about here. Uh And I'm gonna go first.
A guy that I was touting, a guy that I
have everywhere. Jayden Daniels was a quarterback that I loved
coming right out of the gate. Here he has QB
two on the season. He's been unbelievable. I thought he
had Lamar esque rushing ability along with just a beautiful
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deep ball. I wasn't sure about the offense and the
coordinator or what they're going to do, but he's just
been at a historic rate. I'm happy that. I'm happy
to have him. He's a league winning type. And I
was telling people all summer, like, you know, to win
these big tournaments. Man. To win these high stakes leagues,
you got to pick these league winning type quarterbacks in
those rounds that you know, he started to creep up
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there towards the end of the summer, but you you're
able to get him most of the summer. Eighth, ninth,
you know, ninth time to eleventh, twelfth round in there.
Those are the rounds where you get your your early
career Patrick Mahomes, your early career, Josh Allen, your early career, Lamars.
Those league winners come from right at ninth tip to
eleventh round. That's where Jane Daniels was going, and that's
where I was happy to get him. And he's had
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he's had a really great year so so far.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yep, total agreement. And keep in mind he's doing this
with a pretty unimpressive supporting cast. Right in Washington, You've
got a you know, a decent time end I guess
and zach Ertz. You've got a great receiver on Terry mccorn.
But after that, you don't have a lot of talent.
A couple of good running backs obviously, and you know
Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler missed last week, but overall,
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they both played exceeded expectations. Yeah, I had. I had
Daniels as a QB one. I think most of us
people in the business, in the industry did. It's probably
only the casual listeners who were maybe missing out. But
absolutely your objective. You know, if you're trying to win,
(31:20):
especially a competitive leaguers are, especially a league full of
analysts and writers and all that, you have to be
willing to take risk. You have to be willing to
take those swings. So while it might have been you know,
you might have thought, you know, I'm gonna sit back
and I'm going to take you know, my Kirk Cousins
or Trevor Lawrence or my Jared Golf. I'm gonna sit
back and just let the value follow my lap. No,
(31:41):
you're better off moving up taking some swings on these rookies,
you know, around or two above their their ADP. Now
it doesn't always hit because we'll segue right into where
I feel like, you know, somebody that I was right on,
and I was that I was lower on Caleb Williams.
I worried about, you know, the offensive and you know
(32:03):
why it felt like the Bears should have started with
a new coach because you're bringing in this coach that
was already kind of on a hot seat. It kind
of underwhelmed and you're you're completely bringing in a whole
new quarterback and it feels like being set up for failure.
Uh there. And I loved the weapons that they brought
(32:23):
into support Caleb Williams, but you know, it hasn't worked out.
He hasn't been terrible, but you know, I feel like
he's a guy I don't want anything to do with.
Kirk Cousins, another guy that I was like three or
four spots lower than average on Dak Prescott. This is
me just talking the quarterbacks that I feel like I
was lower than average on these guys, and so far
(32:47):
accord to wait through the season. I feel like I've
been right with with those guys. Now. I didn't expect,
you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes to fall off as much
as he has, but these were the guys. Like I
said that, I normally like to sit back and take
those values. But yeah, for sure, Jaden Daniels is a
(33:07):
great example of why that's fine to do that, depending
on your league, but yeah, take those screen.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Jody's on pace for almost two hundred carries. I mean
it's been nanas he could, he could break. I don't
know if he can hold that. But you know us
that with.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Cliff Kingsbury. You know he coached a what QB sixth
season out of Kyler Murray's a rookie. So you're talking
about you know, Jade and Daniels, if anything, was a
more accomplished thrower at college. But when it came to
the Grambling ability, it was pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, all right, another one where I was right. I
was right on mylik. Neighbors was getting him in a
lot of spots. I mean, he's wide receiver one.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right now, our breakout player of the year.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's right, that's right, excellent. I just thought, I mean
everyone knew leagu Neighbors was good, but it was just
do you trust the fact? Like, how bad do you
think Daniel Joe? I ever thought Dan Jones was as
bad as people thought. And I know Brian Dables smart
because he was in Buffalo, So just trusted. Hey, listen,
I didn't know. I wasn't expecting wide receiver one and
he probably he's hitting the targets, but he probably won't
(34:12):
finish wide receiver one. But I thought where you were
able to get him even in the mid second round,
I think was fine into the third some early on.
I was able to get him in the fourth round.
So a lot of my best teams having elite neighbors
on it, I just trusted, you know, Dable to be
smart and Daniel Jones to be good enough to get
mylik neighbors to ball. So and he had never had
a really good re even a decent receiver there in
(34:35):
New York. So I was I was alright with that.
And then another one for me a little bit more,
you know, questionable, was Stefan Diggs had I have. He's
probably one of my highest owned, if not my highest
owned receiver. I was getting him consistently. At the three
four turn. I had to stop taking him because I'm like,
I don't want fifty percent digs in case he gets
(34:56):
hurt or whatever. But it was just a situation where
I just thought Diggs is good. They're going to throw
the ball a lot with a really good quarterback. So
and I wasn't I wasn't so sure. Now I was.
I was wrong on Nico because I just didn't know,
you know, how much they were gonna love Nico with
all the weapons and that they had there, could Nico
get his I was like, maybe Diggs could be the
(35:18):
wide receiver one in Houston. I was wrong about that,
But he's been good enough. I mean, he's got three
touchdowns already this year. He's been good enough to him.
He's wide receiver nine. And now, you know, and so
if he can stay in the mid if he could
be a top fifteen receiver, I think you stole him
and I think he certainly could stay in the top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned Nico, and I'll segue that
right into me. That's one of my biggest misses because
of the presence of a surging tank now and Stefan Diggs.
I was concerned about, you know, target share. So you know,
I think I had Nico as my wide receiver eighteen
or nineteen range. And right now he's got to be
(36:03):
the odds on favorite to finish the season as wide
receiver number one, right. Yeah, he's going to be right
out there with Ceedee Lamb at this point. And I
think he is a wide receiver one right now.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So he's wide receiver two. Look right, like a half
a point behind Milik then neighbors.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, I expect Neighbors is going to miss this week,
so hole slide into there. So yeah, I would, I
would begrudgingly call, you know, Nico, you know a miss.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't think it was egregious. I was four or
five spots below you know, ECR on him, So some receivers,
I feel like that I was probably right on Brandon Ayuk.
I told any person that would listen and any show
(36:50):
that I was on, that there's no way he's replicating
those efficiency numbers that he put up. And unless he
got a huge surge and targets target share, uh, he
was going to drop off. And you know, right on schedule.
That's exactly what we're seeing. Uh uh brock Perty he's
not throwing you it's only it's only the quarterway through
the season. But we're seeing a kind of a dip
(37:11):
and a touchdown personage for him. And so that's it's
made Brandon Aiyuk almost invisible. Michael Pittman, you know another
guy that I was lower than than e. C r On,
I mean pretty significantly lower. I had him outside of
my top thirty I think, and uh, you know, he
hasn't done much. I'm looking through uh scrolling there, Keon Koleman,
(37:38):
these are guys. I was like, how about andre Yoshibas,
So I was like twelve spots ahead of ECR on
him once we learned, of course, I like Jermaine Burton.
That was the guy all number I was talking up
and drafting so much. But it became pretty obvious in
the second week of the preseason that he was well
(37:59):
behind Yoshivas as the wide receiver three. So I had to,
you know, make it about face and start throwing out
a lot of draft picks on him. So he's been,
you know, serviceable. It's not a guy you know, hopefully
you're starting too much.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But right, yeah, Brendon and Ayuke's pretty amazing. He's right.
I was here fifty nine and he's been there and
everyone's been hurt and somehow he can't. I mean, he's
got twenty nine points.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Juan Jenny, that's another thing, Adam. It's a great point.
With everyone as high on Iyuk as they were, if
you had a known, oh, by the way, Christian McCaffrey
and he's going to play half the season, or if
he's even gonna play it all, you'd be thinking, oh, man,
you'd be seeing rocket emojis and fiery emojis and everything.
(38:45):
People would be putting Ayuk as their top five and
all that, and that's where I was like, I don't
know about that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Something's going on there for sure. Yeah, that's pretty pretty interesting,
all right. Last one for me, and I know we
talked about this before the show and it's not necessarily
there in the fantasy points yacht or whatever, but to
devn eighth man, so I have him as a slight
hit two four six eight. He's RB ten. You were
(39:14):
getting him around RB eight or nine, seven or eight
somewhere in there in the third and the third round
kind of anytime you wanted him, and you know, part
of that was his explosiveness. I mean the fact that
he's RB ten and he hasn't had two up for
three games. I think it's pretty impressive. He's getting all
the touches all over. He most hurts hurt. Well, yeah,
the bet was on thirty three year old where he
(39:36):
most shirts getting hurt, like of course, and he's he'll
probably be back this week and he may or may
not get hurt again being thirty, you know, So I
still see the process and that as being a win.
And I think too it will be back eventually in
a couple in a couple of weeks and then a
Chan can kind of kick off again. So he hasn't
really been killing you. Like I said, he's RB ten
(40:00):
and I think if you got him, I mean, he's finished,
and he's ahead of Breech Hall. He's had a bijean,
He's had a lot of these guys that were even
going ahead of him still, So I still like the
processing that I'm not dropping the jail and rights either.
I'm not dropping all those guys because again, once Tua
gets back, if he can stay healthy, I think the
whole off I mean too, is two of the MVP
(40:21):
of the NFL. I mean that that Dolphins team is
without him.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, I mean you're looking at and when it comes
to the word valuable, yes, you'd have to at this
point see that because the it's just been such a
drastic and dramatic decline. Like whoever they've put up, whatever
Ham and Egger they've got under center over there, it
doesn't seem to matter. And uh, it's really interesting about
(40:47):
h Chan because I kind of finally started to come
around for him. I don't know, if Adam you will remember,
but we were having a you know, a staff debates
a little bit back and forth, and I was the
one pushing for him being our of the year. Now
had I've really am proud of what we ultimately did
choose in as a fade. I'm really proud of the
(41:11):
ride up that I did on him and the issues
I discussed with him. But what's crazy is everything in
his first quarter of season has played out for him
to be this massive, superstar running back, and we kind
of only saw that in week two a little bit
like most start's been hurt. You know, he's getting for
(41:32):
the most part, he's getting a lot more touches and opportunities.
But yet three of us four games he's been under
three yards for Carrie and a lot of that has
to do, obviously with the quarterback not being there. But
it feels like he bottomed out last week. You're talking
about a very respectable Tennessee Titans defense, but a ten
(41:54):
carries for fifteen yards. You know, it was an embarrassment
of watching that offense on TV. Hopefully things can open
up maybe another week with with Huntley looking respectable, or
you know, maybe we need a Raheem moster back under
I mean back in the backfield with him to take
off to you know, take some of the coverage off.
(42:15):
But all in all, you know, it's really interesting because
I started to come around towards the end, you know,
in August on h N so you can even see
in some of my f F w C drafts I
actually was started taking him and well, I'm not unhappy
(42:35):
with those teams. You know, we're still waiting for that
explosiveness and I feel like, man if Tua is not
ready to come back and you know, two more weeks
whenever he's first able to, it's really concerning because at
that point can a chan with Tua Canny, can he
recover and you know, get back to where were drafted him?
(42:56):
And you know, the main point for me with with
why I was fading because I felt like people were
drafting him at or above his possible ceiling because I
just never thought he could develop into a consistent twenty
touch guy.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And leg workhorse back. Yeah no, And That's where I'm
kind of taking to win. There is that he has
then and it's and then you can do this for
every running back, but I'm looking he has sixty seven
Fantasy points. He's RB like I said ten, I think,
I mean he got he gets tackled at the one
and then get stuffed in the next place. If I think,
I think he got in on the next carry. But
it's one of those where they rest can't see and
(43:31):
they mark him down to the half yard line. If
they give him that touchdown, he's RB six like it's
you know, so I feel like he I feel like
like like you said, he hasn't been he hasn't had
the efficiency because the offensive line has been hurt and
it stinks and two is not there. But I think
you know, they they've they've shown that they trust him,
(43:52):
and when Tua comes back in a couple of weeks,
I think, you know, you don't want to peak right now.
You rather if is gonna be hurt, You want him
hurt now. You don't want them hurting the fantasy playoffs.
So hopefully he'll Tua can stay healthy for the rest
of the year and h ink and get smashed for
you and for the rest of us at the end
of the year. But but yeah, dude, so I think
it's a pretty good, pretty good list of stuff we're
(44:13):
right and wrong. About you know, good luck everybody this
week doing your doing your waiver wire stuff. And I
know the waivers got to be in tonight for the
f f w C at eleven pm, So make sure
you guys are working on that. Anything else, Jody, that
you're that you're writing just the usual articles week to
week here.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yep, UH Thursday Thursday preview. UH just published a you
know a few hours ago, and then tomorrow is the
massive UH projections and the rankings update, the ghost live
and we should have should have Matt's NFL player.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Prompts for you perfect, you know that'd be good. Then
my start it will come out on Friday, I think,
and we'll dig into those. It's a lot, you know,
a lot harder now with UH, or maybe a lot
easier now with UH.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You can include my homes as as a possible.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Hey, better be careful when people getting mad at.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You with so many bye weeks and injuries. It's almost
like you start whoever's healthy, you know what I mean. So,
but we'll we'll dig into that for everybody. But but
all right, hey, everyone, thanks for joining us tonight. Thanks
for all the comments and chat. Like subscribe to all
that great stuff on on YouTube and all that.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
We will, uh, we'll.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We'll catch you next week. See you guys,
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